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Candace Avalos 8:01 - 8:11

8:01Good afternoon.

8:01I'm going to call the meeting of the Housing and Permitting Committee to order.

8:05It is Tuesday, October 6th, 2026, at 2:01 PM.

8:10Diego, please call the roll.

Unidentified speaker 8:12 - 8:13

8:12Good afternoon.

8:12Avalos?

Andrea Hamberg 8:14 - 8:15

8:14Pret—.

Candace Avalos 8:15 - 8:15

8:15One of my first.

Unidentified speaker 8:15 - 8:17

8:15Sorry, I flipped that.

8:17Green?

Mitch Green 8:18 - 8:19

8:18Here.

Unidentified speaker 8:19 - 8:19

8:19Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 8:22 - 8:22

8:22Here.

Unidentified speaker 8:22 - 8:23

8:22Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 8:23 - 8:24

8:23Here.

Unidentified speaker 8:24 - 8:25

8:24Novick?

Steve Novick 8:25 - 8:25

8:25Here.

Unidentified speaker 8:26 - 8:26

8:26Now Avalos.

Candace Avalos 8:27 - 8:29

8:27Present.

8:28Claire, can you please read the statement of conduct?

Unidentified speaker 8:30 - 9:35

8:30Thank you, Chair.

8:31Good afternoon and welcome to the meeting of the Housing and Permitting Committee.

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9:35Thank you.

Candace Avalos 9:36 - 10:45

9:36Thank you, Claire.

9:37Today we have 3 main items on our agenda.

9:40First, we are going to start with a presentation on the climate and health standard policy.

9:44Then we will have 2 ordinances.

9:46The first ordinance brings the city's land use law into alignment with recently adopted state legislation.

9:52The second ordinance makes code changes to allow the city to continue providing a property tax exemption for low-income housing.

9:58I also need to note on the record that on September 22nd, 2026, the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability sent legislative notice via email announcing that the recommended draft of the Central City Code Amendments Project, including comprehensive plan map and zoning maps and Title 33 regulatory amendments, was scheduled for the Housing and Permitting Committee today, October 6th, 2026, at 2:00 PM.

10:22However, consideration of the ordinance for the recommended draft of the Central City Code Amendments Project has been referred to the full City Council on Wednesday, October 14th, 2026 at 9:50 AM, time certain, for a public hearing to take oral testimony for this ordinance.

10:39Written testimony can be provided through the MAP app.

10:43All right, and let's go ahead and read item 1.

Unidentified speaker 10:46 - 10:52

10:46Item 1, document number 2026-353, Climate and Health Standards.

Candace Avalos 10:52 - 13:50

10:52Okay, thank you.

10:53So today, as I mentioned, we're going to do a presentation, uh, on the climate and health standard, and let's go ahead and have, um, Gloria come thank you.

11:02Please come on up and get settled while I do some intro remarks.

11:05Um, first, colleagues, I want to begin by thanking the many people who have brought us to this point.

11:12My office has been working with stakeholders across housing providers, industry, real estate, higher education, healthcare, and environmental justice over the past year to develop a new climate and health standards policy for the city.

11:25But this work didn't start with me, and it also didn't start from the city alone.

11:30It started with community at the grassroots, from Portlanders who were tired of being left out of conversations and whose perspectives weren't heard in climate spaces, despite coming from the communities most impacted by environmental pollution and climate change.

11:43Those Portlanders put hours of their own time looking into energy use in the built environment, how building decarbonization policies intersect with racial justice, time spent in meetings in person and then over Zoom when the pandemic hit.

11:57And they were moved by a deep commitment to families that look like theirs and the future generations who will suffer if we do not do our part now.

12:05This work started 6 years ago, and I know there have been many community members waiting at least that long for us to get to this point of actually introducing the policy.

12:13But before we consider the code changes that I'll be bringing to our October 20th meeting, I wanted to have a chance for the committee to hear from subject matter experts and advocates for this work.

12:23So first, staff from the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability will share an overview of past work related to the city's climate and health standards for existing buildings project.

12:33Then we will have 3 invited panels.

12:35The first panel will have our Chief Sustainability Officer and Sustainability and Climate Commission co-chair.

12:42The next panel will have invited guests from the county and community organizations working on climate justice.

12:47And finally, we'll hear from leaders in other US cities who've championed building performance standards.

12:53So colleagues, this time is really meant for us to get more familiar with the background of CHS and the broader context that the policy sits in.

13:00This is not intended to be a space to really dig into the specifics since the ordinance, uh, will be coming next time, but you should have the ordinance text.

13:08I have emailed a copy, and it's also available on my website in case folks of the public want to take a look.

13:14And what I'm hoping to achieve at this meeting is just creating an opportunity to step back and consider what CHS means for the health and livability of our communities and our city.

13:23And my apologies, Gloria, I gave you the wrong prompt because you're going to come after BPS, so you can, uh, you can stay up there or whatever.

13:29But, um, uh, first I want to bring up BPS staff for a presentation on the history of the Climate and Health Standards for Existing Buildings policy and an overview of a recently completed pilot project.

13:43Thank you.

13:46We've got Andrea and Vin here if you want to introduce yourselves formally and take it away.

Andrea Durbin 13:52 - 15:28

13:52Yes, just give me one minute to share.

14:03Okay.

14:05Good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.

14:08For the record, I'm Andrea Jacob.

14:10I am the manager of the climate policy team at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.

14:15Thank you for the opportunity to be here today to share some of the backstory of climate and health standards for existing buildings.

14:21It's the precursor work, as Chair Avalos said, to the work currently led by her office.

14:27So the core expertise of the BPS climate team lies at the intersection of the built environment and climate science, policy, and practice.

14:35Bin and I have been working together on equitable building decarbonization since 2018, and we each have been working on climate, buildings, and energy at the city for about 20 years apiece.

14:45So there's a fair bit of institutional knowledge here today.

14:49Our work on climate and health standards has been guided by the Bureau's anti-racism and racial equity mission and values.

14:56So this story— the story of this work is really a story of community engagement, community leadership, and community priorities.

15:03Thank you.

15:04It's an example of how government can innovate, adapt, and share power in policy development.

15:11So we have 2 main sections of our presentation today.

15:14Vin is going to walk you through a, a pretty abbreviated history of the policy just due to time, and we'll then present some findings from a pilot that BPS conducted with multifamily building owners and managers, and then we'll have time for some questions and answers.

Vin Mason 15:29 - 24:26

15:29Thank you, Andrea.

15:31Good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.

15:35For the record, my name is Vin Mason.

15:37I work for the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability as a senior climate policy advisor and oversee Portland's commercial energy reporting requirements that were adopted by City Council in 2015.

15:49Next slide, please.

15:51I'll start with an overview of the climate health standards policy development timeline.

15:56BPS's work on this policy began as a partnership with Build Shift, which was a collective of community members and organizations established by the Coalition of Communities of Color in Verde.

16:08Through community-led engagement, we developed the HEART Standards policy concept to decarbonize Portland's buildings while advancing racial equity.

16:17In 2022, the HEART Standards moved into the next phase of policy development.

16:22Advanced by BPS as the climate and health standards for existing buildings.

16:27This proposal included commercial and multifamily carbon performance standards that would require property owners to gradually reduce their carbon emissions.

16:37The city also considered a maximum temperature limit that would provide cooling to rental housing.

16:43BPS's policy development paused in 2023 after Oregon passed House Bill 3409, and began administrative rulemaking for statewide commercial building energy performance standards.

16:55BPS estimates that the state's requirements will reduce carbon emissions from Portland's covered buildings by only 5%, well short of the city's adopted goal of zero emissions by 2050.

17:09In 2024, BPS and the city's Chief Sustainability Officer moved a small piece of the climate health standards forward as the multifamily energy reporting and tenant notice proposal.

17:20Draft city code was released for public comment in May 2024 and received much community support, but property owners were concerned about the cost of compliance and exacerbating the housing affordability crisis, a concern shared by BPS.

17:35We pivoted to conduct a pilot project to examine the concerns of property owners and roll out PSF's SP2 funding for apartment building retrofits.

17:45I'll cover each of these major policy milestones in a bit more detail, starting with the HART standards.

17:50Next slide.

17:54With twin goals of building decarbonization and advancing racial equity, the HART standards focus on 5 community priorities for rental housing.

18:01First, improving the health of tenants.

18:04Next, equitable energy that decreases utility bills without increasing rent.

18:09At the center of the HART is anti-displacement to mitigate unintended consequences like relocation of tenants during building retrofits.

18:17Another key community priority is resilience to future climate impacts.

18:22The HART standards were developed in 2021, the same year as the Pacific Northwest heat dome.

18:27A temperature limit for rental housing would assure access to cooling to help tenants survive extreme heat events in the future.

18:34Next slide.

18:39BPS received broad— broader stakeholder input on the HART standards policy concept through weekly building owner and tenant workgroup meetings in 2022.

18:48We continued stakeholder engagement to refine policy details through 2024.

18:54The engagement resulted in the climate health standards for existing buildings staff proposal with 3 main policy the first requires multifamily building owners with 4 or more rental units to notify prospective tenants of key climate and health information at time of application.

19:12The purpose is to inform decisions related to the cost of energy bills, health risks associated with natural gas stoves, and access to cooling.

19:20The second and third policy components would apply to buildings 20,000 square feet and larger.

19:24Thank you.

19:25This size threshold covers about 1,000 commercial and 1,000 apartment buildings.

19:31The heating and powering of these large buildings accounts for approximately 16% of the city's total carbon emissions.

19:39Next slide.

19:43Okay, so this is the part of the policy that deals with the mechanics of how to actually get the carbon reductions.

19:49Performance standards are an effective policy tool.

19:52Unlike prescriptive retrofits, performance standards give building owners flexibility to choose a compliance pathway that is best suited for the unique circumstances of their building.

20:0210 Other U.S. cities have adopted building performance standards to achieve their climate goals, including carbon performance standards in Boston, New York, and Seattle.

20:12In Portland, these standards would require covered buildings to reduce their carbon emissions 20% every 5 years starting 2030 until zero by 2050.

20:21In 2030, all covered buildings would already comply due to state mandates for electric utilities.

20:27By 2040, the state requires 100% clean electricity, which would enable all electric buildings to meet Portland's carbon performance standards.

20:36This chart shows how a poor performer like Building A would have a steeper slope to get from its baseline year to zero compared to a high-performing Building C. It also shows the long runway for compliance.

20:51Building owners could choose from any combination of 3 compliance pathways: 1, reduce emissions through energy efficiency or onsite renewables; 2, electrify equipment; and 3, pay a carbon pollution impact fee in lieu of meeting the standard.

21:06Recognizing the importance of compliance costs, BP has contracted Echo Northwest to complete an analysis of potential economic impacts of these standards.

21:16The analysis concludes that there would likely be no net impact to renters' housing costs given a long compliance period for property owners.

21:25Next slide, please.

21:26All right, next I'm going to cover this part of the policy in more depth because energy benchmarking and reporting are the foundation for reducing emissions and saving energy.

21:37Since 2015, the city has required property owners of Portland's largest commercial buildings to annually report their energy use and carbon emissions.

21:45But multifamily buildings are not included.

21:48This is a gap that BPS has long wanted to fill.

21:52Next slide.

21:54As noted earlier, BPS released a draft multifamily energy reporting and tenant notice policy proposal for public comment in 2024.

22:02We received concerns from property owner representatives that benchmarking is extremely difficult to gather required information from tenants, and compliance could cost tens of thousands of dollars per building, leading to tenant displacement.

22:14From May 2025 to May 2026, BPS contracted Efficiency for Everyone to lead a pilot project to clarify the compliance costs and pinch points for building owners to annually benchmark and report energy performance to the city.

22:28Next slide.

22:305 Property owners volunteered to participate in the pilot, including representation of apartment buildings across all 4 council districts.

22:38Next slide.

22:41Property managers needed 3 to 9 hours to complete their initial energy benchmarking and reporting.

22:46The amount of time to complete each step of the process varied based on utility provider and the number of meters per building.

22:53Each participant relied on data aggregation services provided by their respective utilities.

22:59All participants used 2 key resources: the free online Energy Star Portfolio Manager software maintained by the federal government, next slide, please.

23:16Overall, participants called the benchmarking process easy to do and pretty basic.

23:21All participants said future energy reporting would require less than 2 hours of their time annually.

23:27Depending on the property manager's capacity and utility data aggregation, the duration of the benchmarking process ranged from 1 to 3 months.

23:35Participants noted that the Portfolio Manager website is not intuitive, so support from the city's help desk was essential.

23:43None of the property managers needed to interact with tenants to complete their energy benchmarking reporting.

23:48These findings are consistent with BPS's implementation of the Commercial Energy Reporting Program over the last 11 years.

23:56And last slide.

23:59In closing, I'll note that carbon performance standards are a key action in the city's Climate Emergency Work Plan so with that, at this time we can take any questions from the committee that you may have regarding BPS's history in developing the climate health standards staff proposal.

24:25And thank you very much.

Candace Avalos 24:27 - 30:06

24:27Thank you.

24:28Before we do questions, why don't I do my next presentation to just round out the information and then I'll open up for some questions, um, and we'll move to the next panel.

24:38Um, and then we'll probably— I want to try to keep the panels to be able to get through their time, so I don't want to get too mired in questions.

24:45If I need to move us forward, um, and then we come back to questions at the end, I'll let you know.

24:50But we'll just kind of see what people have.

24:52So, um, let's go ahead.

24:54Thank you, uh, you all, BPS, um, for being here.

24:58And then let me put up my presentation, which will just add the final little pieces of context.

25:18Okay, there we go.

25:19All right, um, so yes, again, thank you, Andrea and Ben, for your presentation on the background of the climate and health standards for existing buildings and the pilot study findings.

25:29I think it really speaks to the thoughtful outreach and years of work that went into developing the policy, and my office has appreciated your assistance throughout this process.

25:37So thank you very much.

25:39Colleagues, this time is really meant for us to get more familiar again with the background of CHS and the broader context that the policy sits in, not necessarily to dig into those specifics, like I said, at this level, but we're going to get more into it with the future panels.

25:53Um, so let's go ahead into the next slide.

25:59All right, so I want to begin by just grounding in the 3 principles that have guided my office's work from the beginning.

26:06So the first is climate action should not come at the expense of housing stability.

26:12The second one is standards should be meaningful and enforceable while recognizing that some buildings face genuine technical challenges.

26:20And third, communities should not continue bearing the health and climate costs of inefficient buildings.

26:27And so that moves us into the CHS core pillars.

26:31Um, and so essentially CHS builds on the city's existing commercial building energy program and state guidelines by creating multifamily residential annual energy reporting.

26:43So CHS would add close to 1,200 of Portland's multifamily residential buildings to the over 1,000 commercial buildings that are 20,000 square feet and larger currently required to report out their energy use and carbon emissions each year.

26:59This would cover about 40% of Portland's building sector emissions.

27:03On minimum carbon— on minimum carbon performance standards, covered buildings must reduce greenhouse gas emissions 20% every 5 years starting in 2030 and reaching zero emissions by 2050.

27:15Regulated affordable housing is exempt because those buildings are already being decarbonized through PSEF investments and Oregon's clean energy targets.

27:24Climate and health information and transparency standard for tenants was really critical as well.

27:29So owners of attached rental housing, fourplexes and larger, would be required to provide key energy cost and health information to prospective renters, like how to access average and peak energy cost information, available assistance for utility bills, and cooling— unit cooling systems such as central AC.

27:47The proposal includes a carbon pollution impact fee as an alternative compliance pathway for certain covered buildings and alternative compliance plans for large institutional campuses with shared energy systems such as universities.

28:01I think it is important to note those other compliance pathways for the carbon performance standards because this policy is not intended to be rigid or punitive.

28:09CHS is intentionally built with flexibility and an understanding that not every building has the same road to decarbonization.

28:18I'm grateful to everyone who has weighed in and offered suggestions as we've built, uh, as we have built up to this point to introducing the policy.

28:26And, um, this policy is now stronger because of the multitude of perspectives that went into it.

28:31In addition to all of the great engagement and outreach work that you heard about from Andrea and Vinh, my office conducted our own, including a workshop that was open to the public.

28:42So in July, I held my workshop with me to— next slide— to hear feedback from key stakeholders in addition to the conversations we were already having over email and in other meetings.

28:52We had a wide range of perspectives, including housing providers, real estate, community, labor, healthcare, and other interested residents that just wanted to talk about the impact of this policy on them.

29:06People were split into 3 breakout groups.

29:08And participants took turns discussing the energy reporting and carbon performance standard, tenant information and anti-displacement requirements, and the compliance and impact fee.

29:19And participants were also encouraged to write down their feedback and questions for additional follow-up.

29:24And so what we heard— my biggest takeaway is that we didn't hear broad opposition to the concept.

29:30We heard a lot of implementation questions.

29:32People didn't disagree with the necessity of cutting climate pollution from buildings, the need for transparency about building energy use and health concerns.

29:45Buildings are one of the largest, if not the largest, source of climate pollution in our city, and Portland should be working to continue to ensure that our buildings match our current climate reality and to meet our climate goals, while also ensuring that renters should have access to safe, comfortable, and energy-efficient homes and basic information about the condition and energy usage of their housing.

Queesha Light 30:06 - 30:07

30:06Second.

30:07Second.

Candace Avalos 30:09 - 31:23

30:09I want to end with a quote because sometimes as policymakers we can get too nitty-gritty in the language and lose sight of who we're doing this for.

30:18In 2022, High Country News did a story about the Build Shift Collective and their work, work that really set the foundation of the climate and health standard.

30:26And one member, Anjanette Brown, on why they're working to address the health, climate, and equity issues associated with homes said, bless you.

30:35Uh, I envision that we are champions in saving our environment at whatever cost for our benefit for our future generations.

30:43And so that is what this is about at the end of the day.

30:46And so with that, I want to turn it over.

30:48Let me check the queue here.

30:49I don't see any hands for first panel.

30:53We can always come back at the end.

30:55Okay, sounds good.

30:56So then I'm going to go ahead and turn it over to our next set of invited panelists who are going to share how the climate and health standard fits within a broader ecosystem.

31:05So we're going to have, um, representatives from the Sustainability Office, Multnomah County community, and national organizations speaking before moving into questions and general discussion later.

31:14So first up, come on up, we've got our Chief Sustainability Officer Vivian Satterfield and Sustainability and Climate Commission Co-Chair Jose Gamero-Georgeson.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 31:24 - 31:25

31:24Welcome.

Vivian Satterfield 31:26 - 35:03

31:26Thank you, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, members of the committee.

31:29For the record, I'm Vivian Satterfield.

31:31I'm your Chief thank you, Councilor Mitch Green.

31:31Thank you, Councilor Mitch Green.

31:31I'm Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane, Deputy City Sustainability Officer, and thank you for the invitation to speak about the proposed climate and health standards policy and how it fits within the city's climate action goals.

31:40I'd like to take this moment to acknowledge Councilor Pirtle-Guiney for dedicating a recent City Life Committee to actually discussing and taking a deep dive for the benefit of those members on the city's carbon emission goals and also a deep dive into the inventory and data.

31:55So as always, this Office and the Sustainability and Climate Commission stand ready to support your work and help offer technical assistance.

32:05As I mentioned in the City Life Committee, and this will be a briefer overview than what we offered that particular committee, Portland and Multnomah County have been tracking carbon emissions together for more than 30 years.

32:15In 2020, the prior City Council declared a climate emergency and directed bureaus to restore a safe climate for all Portlanders.

32:22So to do that, we must meet 2 targets.

32:24The first one is to reduce emissions by 50% by 2030.

32:25The first one is by 2030, which is to cut emissions 50% by 1990 levels, and then by 2050, reach net zero.

32:34Collectively, we reached peak emissions in 2000, and as of 2023, emissions are 26% below 1990 levels, which is significant progress compared to the United States as a whole overall.

32:46But we must move faster.

32:48Hitting our 2030 goal requires reducing emissions about 5.5% every year from now on.

32:54That's roughly 320,000 metric tons annually.

32:59After 2030, the pace can ease slightly, but the work ahead of us remains substantial.

33:06So this is a pivotal moment for cities.

33:09As climate impacts intensify, we need to accelerate near-term action while continuing to build resilience for what's ahead.

33:16Just last month in September, the United Nations Environment Program warned that crossing the 1.5 degrees Celsius global threshold will escalate risks into dangerous and even unknown territory.

33:29Rapid collective action will help reduce those risks and improve our ability to bring temperatures back down over time.

33:38Locally, our biggest sources of emissions are electricity, gasoline, what's referred to as natural gas, and diesel.

33:46Natural gas is the outlier in all of our trend lines.

33:50It's the only major fuel source with emissions increasing, up 18% since 1990 overall and 62% in the residential sector.

34:00And unlike gasoline, there's no strong market pressure in the form of pricing that's driving consumers away from it.

34:07Addressing this will be essential.

34:10Shifting buildings off fossil fuels will take many years, and because equipment lasts decades, The decisions that we make now matters.

34:19I do want to leave you, however, with some encouraging news.

34:22A recent economics report from Climate Mayors shows that cities committed to climate action are proving that economic growth and declining fossil fuel use can go hand in hand.

34:32From 2019 to 2024, these cities grew their GDP by over 11% while reducing fossil fuel use per person by 3.5%.

34:44That's directly saving households roughly $1,000 a year.

34:49An economy decoupled from fossil fuels is both possible and already emerging, and cities are leading the way.

34:56Thank you for your leadership and commitment to addressing climate change.

35:00I look forward to supporting your continued work and am available to answer any questions.

Jose Gamero-Georgeson 35:07 - 38:27

35:07Thank you, CSO Vivian, and Thank you, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and all the members of the committee for having me today.

35:14For the record, I'm Jose Gamero-Georgeson, co-chair of the Sustainability and Climate Commission.

35:18I'm here on behalf of the full commission.

35:21On August 20th, the commission voted to endorse the climate and health standards and recommends the council advance the policy.

35:28Our recommendation letter is in your packet, but I do have copies if anyone would like a copy today.

35:34We didn't reach this position lightly or quickly.

35:39Our Policy and Implementation Committee was briefed in July by Chair Avalos, Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, and community partners.

35:47Then in, uh, then in August, our committee went through code, the code language section, section by section.

35:55Then we wrote an endorsement letter which was approved by the full commission.

35:59Commissioners, bring expertise in climate, health, housing, labor, environmental justice.

36:06They brought all this to that review and to the endorsement letter.

36:10CSO Vivian talked about why buildings matter to our emissions.

36:14I want to focus on what this policy means for the people who live and work in these buildings.

36:20This is ultimately a health policy.

36:23Gas appliances in homes and buildings pollute the air indoors and out.

36:28In Multnomah County, building gas use is estimated to produce about 3/4 of the nitrogen oxide pollution of a gas-powered plant.

36:36Renters often have no say in the equipment they live with.

36:40With this policy, renters get information they've never had access to previously.

36:45Before signing a lease, they'll know likely utility costs, whether the unit has cooling, whether it has gas appliances, and how it's ventilated.

36:56This climate action doesn't come at the cost of housing stability.

36:59When upgrades affect occupancy, tenants get temporary housing on or relocation help and a guaranteed right to return.

37:09The commission sees decarbonization and tenant protection as one goal, not competing goals.

37:15The compliance timeline is long and backed by a city pilot and an Eco Northwest analysis.

37:20Reporting takes a few hours in the first year and less after that.

37:25Because of this long runway, owners have time to plan and to implement, and rent increases aren't really expected.

37:33This policy covers buildings the state building performance program doesn't.

37:39The state standards starts at 35,000 square feet.

37:42Portland's threshold is 20,000, which reaches more of our multifamily housing stock.

37:46Thank you.

37:47Councilmember Herbold.

37:48Thank you, Madam Chair.

37:48I'm pleased to see this policy come out of the community.

37:50It grew from years of work led by frontline communities through the HEART standards.

37:55Council can carry that work across the finish line.

37:59The commission also has an ask for the future.

38:01The proposal doesn't include a maximum indoor temperature standard from the HEART standards.

38:06We support taking that up as a separate policy, and urgently, as the climate projections indicate, we'll experience longer periods The commission was created to give council specific, timely, and actionable guidance.

38:22Our guidance is clear: please advance the climate and health standards.

38:26Thank you.

Candace Avalos 38:28 - 38:55

38:28Thank you both so much for your words of wisdom and expertise.

38:33Thank you.

38:35Um, let me see.

38:37Okay, let's go ahead and move to the next panel.

38:41Um, next we have Andrea Hamburg, Environmental Health Services Director for the Multnomah County Health Department.

38:48Taryn Evans, Environmental Justice Director for the Coalition of Communities of Color.

38:53And Sarah— I'm gonna mispronounce your last name— Wallisch?

Sarah Wallach 38:56 - 38:56

38:56Wallach.

Candace Avalos 38:57 - 39:02

38:57Wallach.

38:57Sarah Wallach, Climate Justice Advocate for Community Energy Project.

Quinton Zondervan 39:02 - 39:03

39:02Welcome.

Andrea Hamberg 39:08 - 39:13

39:08Uh, good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Chair— Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.

Vivian Satterfield 39:13 - 39:14

39:13Glad to be here today.

Andrea Hamberg 39:15 - 42:09

39:15I'm Andrea Hamburg, she/her.

39:17I'm the Environmental Health Services Director from Multnomah County.

39:21I'm here today on behalf of the Health Department to share our strong support for the climate and health standards being discussed today.

39:30At its core, climate change is a public health issue.

39:33Our buildings are our primary line of defense, and they play a critical role in keeping vulnerable residents safe during extreme weather.

39:43Safe buildings protect us from illness and premature death.

39:47Before 2021, dying from extreme heat was almost unheard of in our county, but since then we've seen a clear spike in heat-related ER visits, hospital stays, And we've lost beloved members of our families and our communities.

40:03During the 2021 heat dome, nearly 80% of those we lost were seniors, over 70% of whom lived alone, and 94% died in their own homes without sufficient air conditioning.

40:17These climate and health standards are a vital step to prevent that kind of heartbreak from happening again.

40:24Multnomah County's Climate and Justice— Climate Justice Plan is a 10-year roadmap to lower emissions and protect frontline communities.

40:32Strategy 5, which is supporting the health, well-being, and stability of households that rent, includes clear support for these standards.

40:41It was included as a result of input and feedback gathered during several years of community engagement with climate leaders and partners that serve environmental justice communities here in Multnomah County.

40:55Upgrading our buildings ensures renters have reliable cooling and clean air during heat waves and wildfire smoke events, and giving tenants clear information about cooling, ventilation, gas appliances, and energy costs empowers them to take actions to protect their health.

41:14Our role at the Health Department is to track health, health risks, stand up for impacted communities, and prevent illness before it starts.

41:23This ordinance opens up a great opportunity for the city and the county to work closely together on public health and climate.

41:32Looking ahead, these standards are a fantastic starting point.

41:36While gathering data on cooling is important, what really matters for health is whether a home maintains a safe temperature when it's dangerously hot outside.

41:45As this work moves forward, We strongly encourage the city to look at setting clear indoor temperature standards aimed directly at saving lives.

41:56Climate hazards don't care about city or county lines, and our response shouldn't either.

42:01We're excited to partner with you on implementation and keeping— and keep building the connection between climate policy, housing, and public health.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 42:09 - 42:10

42:09Thank you.

Queesha Light 42:11 - 42:12

42:11Thank you.

Tarren Evans 42:15 - 46:26

42:15Good afternoon, councilors.

42:17My name is Tarren Evans.

42:18I'm the Environmental Justice Director at the Coalition of Communities of Color, and I'm here to talk about the work that went into developing the climate and health standards.

42:27These standards are a culmination of years of deep community engagement with the communities most impacted by climate change.

42:34In 2020, the Build Shift team was formed through a partnership between CCC and Verde bringing together community-based organizations and BIPOC community leaders to help shape what equitable building policy could look like in Portland.

42:48The process began with acknowledging past harms and working to build trust between the city and community.

42:54The process also began with values instead of technical policy.

42:57Community members shared about the values that they wanted the city to hold in the process.

43:02These values included things like justice, equity, health, and safety.

43:06From this foundation, we worked to develop a policy that was rooted in these elements.

43:12We also started in a way that was deeply connected to everyday experience.

43:17We started with building trust between community and government, but also by meeting people where they were.

43:22We didn't begin conversations talking about wonky terms like building decarbonization.

43:27We started by talking to community members about what buildings they loved, And what were the characteristics of those buildings?

43:34This helped us understand what people valued in the places where they live, work, and gather.

43:39People talked about buildings that felt safe, healthy, and comfortable.

43:44Shortly after this process began, the pandemic, devastating wildfires, and the 2021 heat dome all shaped the context for this work.

43:53These events made even clearer that climate, housing, and health are deeply connected.

43:58They also informed how we approached policy development.

44:01The work could not just be about technical standards or emissions reductions.

44:04It had to be about the conditions people were experiencing in real time— unhealthy air, extreme heat, high energy costs, housing instability, and the unequal impacts of climate change.

44:17One of our early community workshops was about energy burden.

44:20Energy burden is the percentage of your income that you spend on energy bills.

44:25We had community members bring their energy bills and use an energy burden calculator to determine the percentage of the income that went to their utility bills.

44:33We found that many community members had extremely high energy burden.

44:38We also heard about the tough choices that many community members face, such as choosing to pay energy bills or for medication and groceries.

44:46These are choices that people should never have to make.

44:49We had a community convening after the 2021 heat dome An event that clearly demonstrated the immediate impacts that climate change is already having on our communities.

44:59In addition to community members sharing stories of not having access to air conditioning, we also heard another story of community members who did have air conditioning but were afraid to use it because of the costs associated with using it.

45:11When buildings lack proper insulation and sealing, and when they are expensive to heat and cool, people can still be left in a position where they technically have access to cooling, but Something that was done throughout this process was to connect it to lived experience of community members.

45:29Too often, climate policy can be focused on technical aspects and emissions reductions without centering the people who are impacted.

45:36Community members raised issues around energy burden, health, indoor air quality, affordability, and displacement.

45:43Those issues became central to how the standards were developed.

45:46Councilmember They help shape a policy approach that is centered on making sure that renters have better information, that health risks are more visible, and that displacement pressures are addressed.

45:57From there, these standards provide a targeted path toward building decarbonization that meets the city's goal of getting to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.

46:05They provide transparency for renters about utility costs and indoor air quality risks so they can make informed decisions about where to live.

46:14This process showed that when we begin with trust, values, and lived experience, we can develop climate policy that responds to what communities are actually facing.

46:22I urge the committee to support this work and move the climate and health standards forward.

46:25Thank you.

Sarah Wallach 46:29 - 49:05

46:29Good afternoon, councilors.

46:31My name is Sarah Wallach, and I am a climate justice advocate at Community Energy Project.

46:35Community Energy Project partners with low-income communities on the front lines of climate change To create more resilient, efficient, and healthy homes.

46:44CEP transforms homes, shares skills and community wisdom, and advocates for energy justice.

46:49We believe that achieving climate justice requires accessible, sustainable energy solutions that deliver economic, health, and social benefits to those most impacted.

46:59CEP recognizes through our clients that low-income families most often live in efficient housing, with renters often not having much autonomy over the systems in place Within their units.

47:10By implementing a code like this, these families can benefit greatly from carbon emissions reductions and energy efficiency.

47:18Here at Community Energy Project, we often work with renters in DIY-friendly educational workshops.

47:24However, that is not a holistic solution.

47:27Renters deserve to be able to have energy efficiency repairs and upgrades within their multifamily properties.

47:33Through our combined education and home energy saving upgrades and repairs, Thank you.

47:37Programs, we have seen the effects of what these upgrades mean to families and the significant savings and health impacts.

47:44Our clients who have upgraded from gas furnaces to heat pumps and have had weatherization services performed have saved upwards of $1,000 annually.

47:53Though this research was modeled off of single-family homes, it shows how electric and efficient cooling and heating systems can have an effect on energy burden as well as energy insecurity in general.

48:05Such measures can also offer renters greater financial stability, better health outcomes, and improved comfort in their own homes.

48:13We also want to note that gas appliances contribute to indoor air pollution, which is increasingly linked to asthma, respiratory illnesses, and other long-term health impacts.

48:23For many families, especially those with young kids, this health risk adds an additional stressor to a household.

48:29Implementing a code like this means that the health, safety, and livelihoods of our clients would increase.

48:34We need to acknowledge also that energy costs have been going up from rising rate costs to the impacts of climate change.

48:41We need to think about energy usage and how we make our homes more efficient.

48:45This leaves low-income communities with the harsh reality of either having to consume too much electricity and having a bill they cannot afford, or making unsafe energy-limiting choices to save money.

48:57Thank you.

48:58We urge the councilors to support this policy as it helps ensure renters in Portland have access to safe, healthy, and efficient homes.

49:05Thank you.

Candace Avalos 49:08 - 50:23

49:08Thank you so much.

49:10Um, before I bring up the next panel, I just wanted to note, because it's come up a couple of times, that one of the big parts of the HEART policy concept was the indoor temperature standards.

49:22We are not addressing that in this policy, but it is next on the policy list.

49:26So just so the public knows, that is absolutely of interest to my office.

49:30It's a component of the work that the community did.

49:33We're choosing this action to take.

49:36That action is far more complicated.

49:38And as somebody who worked at an organization when we were doing our right to cooling bills in the legislature, there's lots of other layers to that.

49:45But just want to name that because it is going to keep coming up.

49:47It is a genuine health concern.

49:50It's something I think the city should do.

49:51Thank you.

49:52And flagging for a community that, one, we want to talk about it, and two, if you have ideas, bring them on by.

49:59Lastly, I am very excited to welcome our national guest panelists who are joining us online.

50:04So we've got Rajiv, who is Director of Government and Utility Engagement for the Institute of Market Transformation, and Quinton, who is the Policy Director for Run on Climate and a former city council member of Cambridge, Massachusetts.

50:21Welcome.

50:21And whoever would like to kick us off, maybe Rajiv?

Rajeev Ravalapati 50:24 - 57:11

50:24Sure, I'm happy to.

50:27And I'm guessing— I normally don't— I'm no Cher.

50:30I don't just go by Rajiv.

50:32I'm guessing that was a nod to not messing up my last name.

50:35So my last name is Ravalapati, for the record.

50:39Thank you, Councilmember Avalos.

50:41I'll be brief with my comments.

50:44So thank you, Chair, members of the committee.

50:47My name is Rajeev Ravalapati.

50:50As the council member said, I'm with the Institute for Market Transformation, also known as IMT.

50:54I serve as our Director of Government and Utility Engagement.

50:58IMT is a national nonprofit, and we work with governments, building owners, community partners across the country to improve building performance.

51:06And we have previously advised and worked with the City of Portland, Bureau of Planning and Sustainability on their benchmarking ordinance and BPS.

51:15So the reason I am— have been asked to present today is to offer 3 perspectives.

51:21One, why building performance standards matter.

51:242, What are we seeing nationally?

51:26And 3, how Portland's proposal compares with best practices.

51:31So first, why building performance standards?

51:35First off, climate commitments yes.

51:36Thank you.

51:36So, building performance standards need a practical strategy for existing buildings.

51:39Building codes primarily address new construction and renovations.

51:43Incentives help owners invest.

51:45Benchmarking makes energy use visible.

51:47Building performance standards add a clear expectation that existing buildings improve over time.

51:53That expectation helps, helps owners incorporate improvements into capital planning, equipment replacement, and everyday operations.

52:02The government establishes the outcomes and the timeline while owners identify solutions appropriate to their buildings.

52:09The public value extends beyond carbon reductions.

52:12Better building performance can reduce wasted energy and support comfort and affordability.

52:17Portland's approach also recognizes that building improvements should protect people who live in those buildings.

52:24Secondly, what is happening, happening nationally?

52:28One of the things that my organization tracks.

52:30Early implementation results are encouraging.

52:33The first vanguard of BPSs were only passed in the late 2010s, early 2020s.

52:40The first BPS that was passed was in 2018 by Washington, D.C.

52:45So from the early implementation results, they are encouraging, although we should distinguish reporting participation from actual performance improvements.

52:54So what I have to offer is New York City, the biggest market in the country, the biggest jurisdiction with a BPS, reported that approximately 93% of covered privately owned properties submitted their first Local Law 97 compliance reports, and Local Law 97 is their BPS program.

53:15That 93% demonstrates the participation at scale in a large, complex real estate market.

53:22It does not mean every building has completed the improvements needed for future targets, to be clear.

53:28Washington, D.C. provides evidence of actual energy improvements.

53:32A preliminary analysis of approximately 360 multifamily office and hotel buildings that initially fell below the standard found average energy intensity reductions of about 13% between 2019 and 2024.

53:48Adjusting for weather and operating conditions.

53:51That is meaningful progress before the compliance cycle even ends, though it's not a final compliance determination.

53:57Denver and Washington State offer another lesson.

54:00Jurisdictions can adapt timelines and compliance— compliance pathways to practical constraints while continuing implementation.

54:08Effective flexibility maintains clear obligations and measurable progress.

54:13And third, how does Portland's proposal compare?

54:17Several elements align well with sound policy design.

54:21I think the, the draft currently established a clear emissions trajectory through 2050, annual reporting and independent verification.

54:30Its aggregated utility data provisions address a fundamental prerequisite.

54:35Owners need whole building information without playing— placing unnecessary burdens on tenants.

54:41It also includes concrete displacement, anti-displacement protections, restrictions on passing compliance costs to residential tenants, and periodic review of tenant impacts and electric system capacity.

54:53Those are all important key parts of implementation.

54:57The last— the thing that I would like to end in is on suggestions for potential technical refinements or considerations.

55:05One.

55:07Make sure the requirements are actionable early.

55:10The draft uses a 2027 or 2028 baseline and evaluates first performance in the calendar year 2030.

55:17Publishing rules, implementing rules, emission calculation methods, and building-specific targets early enough for owners to plan, finance, and execute projects.

55:27So having that upfront clear criteria for the existing alternative baseline provision.

55:32Will recognize early investments and encourage early adoption, which is key for any BPS.

55:38Second, make flexibility available where it can deliver results.

55:42I think the draft already provides extensions and exemptions for documented constraints.

55:48It's just a matter of considering making the pathways available to other buildings with legitimate constraints, with enforceable milestones and a clear endpoint.

55:58A plan can accommodate equipment replacement cycles while keeping improvements moving.

56:03And third, this goes to any jurisdiction that IMT helps advise, funding implementation reliably.

56:10So directing pollution impact fees toward retrofit assistance is useful.

56:16It is notable to say that fee revenue depends on buildings falling short of their targets.

56:21So core staffing and owner support needs that kind of dependable funding, including before fees are collected.

56:28So the— also the 7% administrative cap, we do like that and recommend that.

56:34And as actual implementation needs happen, should the policy pass, it is good to gut-check that administrative cap while actual implementation proceeds.

56:44Again, if the policy proceeds as forward.

56:48Lastly, throughout implementation, coordinate with the State of Oregon's program so owners can reuse data and technical work where possible.

56:55So in closing, Portland has a strong foundation.

56:58It has clear requirements, accountable flexibility, and sustained support can turn this ordinance into a practical investment framework that improves buildings while also protecting housing stability.

57:10Thank you for your time.

Candace Avalos 57:14 - 57:16

57:14Thank you, Rajiv.

57:16Go ahead, Quinton.

Quinton Zondervan 57:18 - 1:04:51

57:18Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the committee.

57:22My name is Quentin Zondervan.

57:25As noted, I am the policy director at Run on Climate, and prior to that, I served 6 years on the Cambridge City Council in Massachusetts, where we often looked to Portland for some of our climate policies.

57:42And I'm happy to report that in Cambridge, we were able to adopt a building performance standard in 2023.

57:50When I was still on the council, where I led that effort.

57:56And I will note that initially the proposed ordinance was scheduling emissions to reach net zero by 2050 for all the covered properties.

58:12And myself and several of my colleagues at the time strongly advocated for a shorter timeline of 2035 for the biggest buildings because those buildings were contributing the majority of emissions, and we did not think it was a good idea to wait until 2050 for those buildings to reach zero.

58:36But in that process, we did encounter some opposition, primarily from the universities, Harvard and MIT, and also the very strong and successful biotech sector in Cambridge.

58:52And so that started a process of negotiation that took a couple of years to resolve, but ultimately we were successful in requiring the largest buildings, over 100,000 square feet, to reduce their emissions to zero by 2035.

59:09And the way we got there was through a lot of the flexibility that Rajiv was highlighting, which allows the building owners, the property owners, to achieve that goal in as flexible a way as possible.

59:28So we tried not to be overly prescriptive about how they got there, but made sure that they had to get there.

59:35So one mechanism that we included was a campus mechanism where they could combine several buildings to report their emissions reductions, and this allows them to flexibly work on their entire building portfolio rather than having to track and report on individual buildings' progress on achieving zero emissions.

1:00:02The other piece that we negotiated was to allow in a very limited way, very strictly approved carbon credits in a very limited way after 2035, so that primarily— and this was only available to the largest buildings, which again is primarily Harvard and MIT.

1:00:29This allowed them to offset their hardest-to-eliminate emissions for a, you know, reducing period of time after 2035, but ultimately they had to stop using those carbon credits by 2050 as well.

1:00:51So those are just a couple of examples of flexibility that we introduced.

1:00:55In, in the ordinance in Cambridge to work with our largest polluters in, in the city.

1:01:04And in Cambridge, over 80% of our emissions came from buildings.

1:01:10So this provision was really important to our goals of eliminating our climate change-inducing emissions.

1:01:20Thank you.

1:01:21And now at Run on Climate, we work to support policymakers like yourself across the country in passing similar policies.

1:01:31And what we find is that most cities are not able to achieve their climate goals without a building performance standard.

1:01:40And so you are already on the right path, and we strongly support your effort.

1:01:47And encourage you to move this legislation forward and to adopt it.

1:01:52And we stand at the ready to assist you.

1:01:56Unlike our colleagues at IMT, we are not technical building experts.

1:02:03We bring a network of policymakers across the country who have or are working on similar policies.

1:02:11And we bring that lived experience of having implemented these policies in different communities across the country so that you can compare notes and learn from some of the on-the-ground lessons that are being learned over time as these policies are being implemented.

1:02:34Cambridge adopted the policy in '23, and then the first compliance period for these largest buildings over 100,000 square feet began in January of this year, 2026.

1:02:47And currently, the staff expect the vast majority of the buildings to comply with the 2029 compliance period requirements, reduction requirements.

1:03:02So most of the buildings are already ahead of the game.

1:03:06Because they're already electrifying and making energy efficiency improvements, or in some cases they've already done so.

1:03:17And then the city staff has invested extensively in providing assistance and guidance.

1:03:25The ordinance requires the seating of an advisory committee, which has been established.

1:03:33That will also oversee exception or exemption requests and applications, as well as approving specific carbon credits that will be allowed to be used.

1:03:48And to demonstrate how stringent our criteria were, there are currently no carbon credits in existence that meet our criteria.

1:03:58So they would have to continue to improve those standards before they could use them.

1:04:06So those are some of the highlights from Cambridge.

1:04:09We're currently working with a number of jurisdictions across the country, including Watertown and Somerville in the Boston area, as well as Burlington, Vermont.

1:04:22We assisted Evanston, Illinois.

1:04:25Last year in adopting their Healthy Buildings Ordinance.

1:04:30And so we stand at the ready to assist you at no cost, and we're happy to answer any questions or connect you with anyone who can answer your questions, including stakeholders in the communities where these building performance standards have been successfully implemented.

1:04:50Thank you, Madam Chair.

Candace Avalos 1:04:54 - 1:05:42

1:04:54Thank you both so much for joining us, uh, virtually.

1:04:58We appreciate your time and expertise.

1:05:01Um, so that is all the panelists.

1:05:03I'll thank all of the panelists for joining us.

1:05:05And, um, ultimately, I think what I hope we hear in this is that, uh, there are lots of cities that are trying to tackle this problem and have made some great strides.

1:05:16And so I'm grateful to the perspective of our panelists to talk about how we can make those same moves here, uh, in Portland.

1:05:24So now we've got— and we're a little bit ahead of schedule, so we've got, um, about 40 minutes to discuss, ask questions.

1:05:33Um, I've got a bunch of questions I can ask to kick it off, but want to see where the committee's at, if you've got questions or comments.

1:05:41All right, Councilor Novick, kick us off.

Steve Novick 1:05:42 - 1:07:09

1:05:42Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:05:44And I've got a bunch of questions, which, most of which probably should be postponed until 2 weeks from now.

1:05:50So just shut me up when you think of SNF.

1:05:52Hmm.

1:05:53And I wanna begin by saying that I start off being heavily biased in favor of this proposal, partly frankly because my old friend Angus Duncan, who was the head of the Global Warming Commission, is on the Climate and Sustainability Commission.

1:06:06And I called him up and he said, yeah, this is good.

1:06:08Having said that, though, we're going to hear a lot of questions about, is this going to raise rents?

1:06:14Is this going to further depress our commercial properties, et cetera, et cetera?

1:06:17So I do think that we need to at least ask those questions.

1:06:21I will give full disclosure.

1:06:23I asked Multifamily Northwest what are some of the questions they would ask, and so they gave me some.

1:06:28In some cases, the premise of their question might be totally wrong, and I'd be happy to hear that.

1:06:31But so just with that.

1:06:33Thank you.

1:06:34With that in mind, one question is, I think that for 2030, we're sort of allowing the buildings to assume that PG&E and Pacificorp have met their decarbonization targets mandated by the state.

1:06:48But it's my understanding that that's not true for the subsequent years, 2035, 2040, etc.

1:06:55And I'm just wondering what the thought is there.

1:06:57Is consideration given to saying, okay, you can always assume that PG&E and Pacificorp Vin, do you want to come start to address that?

Candace Avalos 1:07:09 - 1:07:21

1:07:09I'll note that I sent this same question over to Vin earlier today, and I'm expecting to get a full answer.

1:07:15So if you don't have one right now, that's okay, but know that it is a question in the pipeline.

1:07:19Go ahead.

1:07:20Sure.

Vin Mason 1:07:21 - 1:08:33

1:07:21Thank you, Councilor Novick, and it's an important question.

1:07:24So for the clean energy targets at the state level, there has been some uncertainty in that we've seen more certainty over time that there are investments that are being made to meet those targets.

1:07:33Yes.

1:07:33We're seeing significant investments in renewable energy happening from both Pacific Power and PG.

1:07:37They've reduced their emissions by approximately 30% from 2010-2012 baseline to 2024.

1:07:44So we're seeing that progress.

1:07:46Their clean energy plans indicate additional progress.

1:07:49And at the same time, until the first deadline is reached in 2030, it's an 80% goal of reduction, there will always be a little bit of uncertainty until then.

1:08:00And so to give To give property owners some reassurance, our staff proposal has assumed that there is a— the clean energy targets will be reached.

1:08:10That makes 2030 essentially a procedural climate or procedural compliance year.

1:08:16And as noted earlier, that's the engagement that would lead to the planning for investments to get to 2035.

1:08:26Thank you.

1:08:27Now, in 2035 and 2040, I think it's also some unknowns that are there.

Candace Avalos 1:08:33 - 1:08:35

1:08:33Okay.

Steve Novick 1:08:35 - 1:09:20

1:08:35I mean, I think that the question is, I mean, if we think PG&E and Pacificorp meet their targets for 2030, that's great.

1:08:42That helps reduce emissions.

1:08:44But if PG&E and Pacificorp don't meet their targets for 2035, 2040, et cetera, then I think we can assume that the The cost to the building owners of meeting these targets might be rather high compared to if PG&E and Pacifica do meet their targets.

1:09:03So I'm just wondering, what's the argument against just saying we— and actually, I'm curious what other cities have done about this, because I think that other cities that also have their sort of like renewable portfolio standards thing, what's the argument against saying we're going to do the same thing in 2035 and 2040?

Queesha Light 1:09:21 - 1:09:21

1:09:21Yeah.

Vin Mason 1:09:22 - 1:10:09

1:09:22Well, I think one argument would be if it's just not technically feasible for the utilities to get to their 2035 and 2040 targets.

1:09:34I don't think we're seeing that right now, but that would be one argument, is to wait and see if it's even technically feasible.

1:09:41If it's not technically feasible, then a regulated credit mechanism could be considered, and that's what's used in a limited way in Boston, Massachusetts, as well as New York.

1:09:53And it was referenced in the credits, the carbon credits by Cambridge as well.

1:09:58So there is another route, but based on the current information that BPS has been tracking on the progress towards the clean energy targets, we don't think that option is necessary.

Candace Avalos 1:10:11 - 1:10:13

1:10:11Councilor, it looks like Quentin might want to answer your question.

Steve Novick 1:10:13 - 1:10:14

1:10:13Yeah, thank you, Quentin.

Candace Avalos 1:10:14 - 1:10:14

1:10:14Go ahead.

Quinton Zondervan 1:10:16 - 1:11:25

1:10:16Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:10:17Through you, yes, the, um, this issue did not come up in Cambridge in the sense that we didn't make any assumptions either way.

1:10:27Um, but the covered properties can, of course, include whatever the emissions are on the grid as part of their compliance.

1:10:39Thank you.

1:10:40And so I guess the broader assumption is that the utilities are going to achieve those goals, but the city did commit to, through its own community choice aggregation program, provide very low emission electricity to its basic service ratepayers.

1:11:05And so even if the utilities don't achieve those goals, this— the city's community choice aggregation program would allow the properties, at least through their electricity consumption, to receive credit for that low emissions electricity.

Steve Novick 1:11:27 - 1:12:24

1:11:27Thank you.

1:11:28Um, actually, I'm going to move on to another question, if I may.

1:11:33So one of the questions that Multifamily Northwest asked was something about what's going to be the impact on naturally occurring affordable housing.

1:11:41And I'm not going to, you know, they're like raising the spectrum that if people who currently own, quote, naturally occurring affordable housing have to bear too much cost, they might sell out to private equity, et cetera, et cetera.

1:11:53But I'm going to ask something more specific, which is, I mean, there's a guy named Joe Weston.

1:11:58Yes.

1:11:58Who for many years has owned properties where the rent is unusually low and they tend to be old buildings.

1:12:05And I was— and he's actually, I think, transferring his buildings to some sort of foundation.

1:12:12And I'm just curious, have we done outreach specifically to owners of private housing that is unusually affordable, sort of talk them through how they would comply with this?

Vin Mason 1:12:26 - 1:12:47

1:12:26Yeah, so we did extensive outreach at BPS from 2022 to 2024, including weekly building workgroup meetings that were for property owners.

1:12:37So the outreach, I believe, did include Joe Weston invitation, but I think the representation was from Multifamily Northwest in those spaces for the private property owners.

Sarah Radlett 1:12:49 - 1:12:49

1:12:49Yeah.

Steve Novick 1:12:50 - 1:13:00

1:12:50But what did the— in the outreach, did you sort of like ask them to sort of game out what they think would be necessary to meet the 2030 targets, the 2035 targets, et cetera?

Vin Mason 1:13:00 - 1:14:53

1:13:00Through those engagement meetings that lasted over many months, we heard the concern about the potential impact on not just the property owners, but potential pass-through costs.

1:13:11Right.

1:13:12So as a result of that, we contracted Eco Northwest to really look at what would be the— especially for a first carbon performance standard, what would be the outcome.

1:13:22And they confirmed what I think many of us know is that the rental market is a very complex system that has a lot of factors that are involved.

1:13:34But at the scale of retrofits necessary to comply, they concluded no net impact on renters.

1:13:41It's through pass-through.

1:13:44And that is a conclusion that was very important to us because we were specifically concerned about naturally occurring affordable housing because of our previous engagement with Build Shift and how they might be impacted.

1:14:02But some of those other factors are just the ability to pay, for instance, for the but didn't Eco Northwest just focus on 2030 rather than 2035, 2040, etc.?

1:14:17That's a good point.

1:14:18Yeah, so when we were looking at the carbon performance standards back then, we were looking at a, um, a very aggressive kind of timeline for adoption, and 2030 was a, a big year for a jump.

1:14:30Uh, this is similar to what Seattle had adopted, and since then our conclusion is that that long compliance period, which also ECON Northwest points out, that's very important to prevent that pass-through.

1:14:43The long compliance period is very important.

1:14:45So now we're looking at, it would be more like a 2040 to 2045 timeline where multifamily properties would be impacted rather than a 2030 timeline.

Quinton Zondervan 1:14:54 - 1:14:55

1:14:54Okay, thank you.

Steve Novick 1:14:56 - 1:15:14

1:14:56Another issue that's been raised is What if you've got a property that's largely vacant and you have to use that, you know, the energy use as of now is the benchmark, and then a whole bunch of people, you know, move in and their energy use goes up?

1:15:10How does the policy adjust for that, or does it?

Vin Mason 1:15:15 - 1:16:21

1:15:15These are all great questions for me, aren't they?

1:15:18Yeah, so being familiar with that concern in 2022 while we're engaging folks, and it was yeah.

1:15:26Deep in the pandemic too.

1:15:30We explored that question in some detail.

1:15:33And so as the staff proposal advanced, we really considered how do we address the vacancy?

1:15:40And the key for these carbon performance standards is to set the right baseline.

1:15:45So we explicitly state 2027 and 2028 as 2 options.

1:15:50But then a property owner could ask for a different baseline.

1:15:55For instance, if down the road they had a higher level of occupancy, that would be a very reasonable consideration.

1:16:03The other thing we heard is that property owners more recently made investments, and so they wanted to get credit for those advancements.

1:16:10In Portland, there's commercial buildings have been reporting for over 10 years, so they might have a year that says, well, Here's where we were before we made all these investments.

1:16:18Can we get credit for that?

1:16:20So that provides that option for them too.

Steve Novick 1:16:22 - 1:17:34

1:16:22Yeah, I was familiar with that.

1:16:23One thing I worry about is if we have it be too individualized, we might need to like have lots of FTE in the city sort of looking at these individualized proposals.

1:16:33So when I was talking to Angus about this issue of whether you require everybody to reduce by 20% a year, people start at different places.

1:16:43He said that in some In some energy efficiency context, the sort of alternative to a percent reduction every X amount of time is to set sort of an efficiency target.

1:16:55Say this is where the top third of buildings are, so everybody needs to meet that by X date, which I think might be easy.

1:17:03I mean, off the top of my head, might be sort of easier to administer.

1:17:07And we'd sort of be telling people, all right, if you've Done a— if you've done a bunch of work, then you should already be meeting that target.

1:17:14But if you haven't, you at least have to do that.

1:17:17Sort of like energy effi— you know, energy use per square foot or something.

1:17:21It has to be down to a certain level.

1:17:25Was there a consideration of sort of an option like that, um, instead of individualized target meetings, saying here's a target that everybody has to meet?

Vin Mason 1:17:35 - 1:18:30

1:17:35Yeah, uh, That's another approach to take.

1:17:38Seattle takes that approach, and then the state of Oregon also takes that approach with their building energy performance standards.

1:17:46Seattle has carbon performance standards.

1:17:50In examining that approach, one of the key considerations was that if we set a target as they did, which is if there's a goal for, let's say, the whole multifamily sector to get to 20% reduction, then they say, here's where the target is.

1:18:02Yeah.

1:18:03But the challenge in that is in those first compliance years, this goes back to how we changed things so that 2030 wasn't the hardest year to be hit for naturally occurring affordable housing.

1:18:12The poorest performing buildings have to make the biggest jump to get to that target.

1:18:16And we really thought that didn't seem equitable.

1:18:18And going back to the concerns that you mentioned earlier, that an unintended outcome that we wouldn't want to see is for folks to feel like, or property owners to feel like that they would have to move on from their buildings.

Steve Novick 1:18:33 - 1:18:45

1:18:33Okay, thank you.

1:18:35I also just have to note that we've heard about 3 jurisdictions where I've lived: DC, New York, and Cambridge.

1:18:40So that was kind of like homey.

1:18:43Thank you.

1:18:45Great.

Candace Avalos 1:18:45 - 1:18:51

1:18:45Well, let's do it like those 3 cities.

1:18:50Go ahead, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:18:53 - 1:19:37

1:18:53Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Councilor Novick, for many of those questions.

1:18:59I have a couple of questions.

1:19:01If I run too long, Chair, let me know.

1:19:04I want to start with just understanding the differences between what was in the work that the Bureau was doing previously and what is in the proposal that is now under discussion.

1:19:18I know we're saving specific conversation about that proposal for when it comes forward in a few weeks.

1:19:24But we heard presentations on both today, and I'd like to make sure that I'm properly thinking about what we have before us now and what has changed from what was before us previously and why those changes were made.

Candace Avalos 1:19:38 - 1:20:34

1:19:38I can start to answer that, and then you can speak more to the history.

1:19:41I mean, in general, this is a proposal, the language, the work has been led not by my office.

1:19:48It's been led by BPS.

1:19:49It's been led by community.

1:19:50So the changes that we've made, you know, they've been working on it since 2022.

1:19:56Like they said, there was a moment where they took a pause, did the pilot, uh, commissioned the Eco Northwest study, um, and there were changes that of course happened from that point.

1:20:07And that came— and those changes were made prior to coming to me, right?

1:20:10So I'm coming in at the tail end as far as the actual language.

1:20:15And then coming in with the workshop with me and the other engagement that I was doing, there were some changes that have been made most recently, some of the ones that I've shared with council, um, from concerns that have been coming in recently.

1:20:26But for the most part, the changes have not been made by my office.

1:20:30They've been made by BPS, and it's evolved over the course of that time.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:20:34 - 1:20:51

1:20:34So I'm looking for specifics and understanding the policy that we will have before us compared to the policy that was last aired as BPS was doing this work previously.

1:20:47What, what is different now?

1:20:49Because I've heard that there are some significant differences.

Andrea Durbin 1:20:51 - 1:22:01

1:20:51This is Andrea Jacob for the record.

1:20:54We have looked at the code that we left off with in November of 2025 to what is currently posted on the, uh, councilor's website.

1:21:03So those are the 2 points that we looked at.

1:21:06At a high level, we can say that, um, from our draft to this draft, uh, residential condos So those are no longer covered.

1:21:15On the carbon performance standards piece, there's this bit about 2030 and the greenhouse, assuming that the utilities are going to meet their target.

1:21:24That is a new piece that BPS did not make from our— in our draft.

1:21:30There's a bit from— in the carbon performance standards around swimming pool heating at the requester parks.

1:21:36We are excluding that.

1:21:37Okay.

1:21:37From the calculations.

1:21:41Final—.

1:21:41Or when I say we, Councilor's draft.

1:21:44Councilor's draft also includes the idea that offsets and renewable natural gas and unregulated credit mechanisms, these other ways of meeting the goal, will not be considered in the final carbon performance standards.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:22:02 - 1:22:08

1:22:02So those were— that flexibility was previously granted and is not granted That's my understanding.

Queesha Light 1:22:08 - 1:22:09

1:22:08Can you confirm that?

Vin Mason 1:22:09 - 1:22:10

1:22:09That's right.

Vivian Satterfield 1:22:10 - 1:22:10

1:22:10Okay.

Andrea Durbin 1:22:11 - 1:23:08

1:22:11There's a good bit in there around alternate compliance plans, and those are specifically addressing concerns by campus institutions that the Counselor's Office was responsive to.

1:22:22So clarifying that, you know, just the definition of what a campus portfolio is.

1:22:28It allows more— generally what those changes do, allow more flexibility for the campus institutions to comply.

1:22:35There was a change in the carbon pollution impact fee.

1:22:38BPS, if left to, you know, in our code, we did not get specific about a cost per metric ton.

1:22:47This draft, the councilor's draft, does get more specific about that.

1:22:51And then on the extensions and exemptions, all electric buildings in this, in the current draft, not the BPS draft, could seek an exemption.

1:23:01Okay.

1:23:02So that's a pretty high-level summary of what we see as the changes from when we left off.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:23:08 - 1:24:58

1:23:08Great, that's really helpful.

1:23:09Thank you.

1:23:10Um, I think you all are probably the right people to answer my next question.

1:23:16I am trying to understand what zero means.

1:23:20So we have this standard where you reduce from baseline 20% every 5 years, which means that in 25 years we have to be at zero.

1:23:30And I heard in the presentation that ways to get there can include energy efficiency measures, onsite renewables, electrification, paid offsets.

1:23:42As we look at getting to zero, are all of those things going to be required?

1:23:48And what I'm thinking about is if a building owner electrifies and can guarantee that all of their electricity is renewable sources, either because of onsite renewables or the portfolio of our electrical utilities, do they need to do any of the energy efficiency upgrades that would help lower utility costs for renters?

1:24:12Do they?

1:24:13So let's, let's start with that, right, as an example.

1:24:16Similarly, if you do all of the energy efficiency upgrades, you have the tightest the tightest building possible in terms of your building shell and energy leakage, and you've done everything you can there, but you are still using natural gas.

1:24:35Is there any way for you to get to zero?

1:24:37Is there any way to get to zero with the use of natural gas, or is this a default electrification bill, though it's not being pitched that way?

1:24:48So that's 2 examples.

1:24:49Thank you.

1:24:49That I have talked about with folks, but I'm wondering what zero means and what we actually are requiring to get there.

Vin Mason 1:25:00 - 1:25:35

1:25:00Yeah, great questions, Councilor.

1:25:03So I think I'll start with the second question first on energy efficiency if a building uses natural gas.

1:25:11So to get to zero, natural gas served buildings would have to not use fossil fuels because you can't get to zero carbon emissions with fossil fuels, with one exception, which would be carbon capture and storage.

1:25:26That's a technology that is under development.

1:25:30It seems like it's constantly emerging, though.

1:25:32And so that is a possibility.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:25:35 - 1:25:40

1:25:35But that would be allowed under the proposal that we're going to be seeing in a few weeks?

Vin Mason 1:25:40 - 1:25:56

1:25:40It's not specific right now in the proposal because it hasn't emerged.

1:25:45But that would be one of the ways that a natural gas served building could get to zero.

1:25:54Yes.

1:25:54And did I answer all of your question, or is there more?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:25:56 - 1:26:23

1:25:56I think that's— that was the second example I gave.

1:25:59The first was if you fully electrify and you can guarantee that it's all renewable, renewable sources, would you have to do any energy efficiency Or could we have a leaky building with incredibly high utility costs for renters, but because it's all onsite solar or whatever it is that you're using as your renewable source, you actually don't have to do anything else?

1:26:23You're already at zero.

Vin Mason 1:26:25 - 1:27:59

1:26:25Yeah, and that, that is correct.

1:26:26So this is a zero carbon performance standard by 2050.

1:26:30And so any type of electrification to get there would be included.

1:26:34With that said though, to reach the early targets, energy efficiency would be the wiser way to make an investment.

1:26:41And what we've seen in the other cities that have adopted these kinds of policies is to have navigators to help property owners make good decisions for their investments.

1:26:55There was one other thing I was thinking of too that— oh, and also I wanted to point out that this policy is really complementary with the state's policy.

1:27:04Okay.

1:27:05I mentioned before, the state only gets us to a 5% carbon emissions reduction.

1:27:10The goal to zero is 100%.

1:27:12But that is an energy efficiency policy.

1:27:16So we have the state's energy efficiency for the least performing buildings to get it to average.

1:27:22That would be addressing much of that piece.

1:27:24And by doing so, those property owners would gain reductions in carbon emissions too.

1:27:30And finally, that there are funding sources.

1:27:32And so that navigator that I mentioned earlier would be connecting funding sources for property owners.

1:27:38There's a stack of incentives, and it's not just PSIF, I'm happy to say.

1:27:43There is the Oregon Housing Community Services Multifamily Energy Program that has a substantial amount of funding, and there are existing programs at the Energy Trust of Oregon that can provide incentives to really improve efficiency.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:27:59 - 1:28:10

1:27:59Certainly.

1:28:02Changing gears for a minute in my question here, in the pilot program that we have run, were the—.

Candace Avalos 1:28:10 - 1:28:17

1:28:10Can I just pause you real quick just because I see one of the other panelists.

1:28:14Quinton, did you want to reply to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question?

Quinton Zondervan 1:28:18 - 1:29:27

1:28:18Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.

1:28:19Through you, just wanted to weigh in on the question about an all-electric building that is receiving all of its energy from electricity, from renewable electricity.

1:28:33And at least in, in Cambridge, that would be considered a zero-emissions building.

1:28:42Mm-hmm.

1:28:43But we have not ever seen anyone attempt to convert an extremely poor-performing building in terms of energy efficiency to 100% renewable without improving the efficiency, because that would be economically not advantageous.

1:29:07Because if you're wasting a lot of energy, then your payback period on renewable Energy is much longer, and so there's a built-in incentive to improve the efficiency as you switch your energy source to renewable electricity.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:29:28 - 1:30:15

1:29:28Thank you.

1:29:33In the pilot that we've been conducting, do you know the age of the buildings?

1:29:38And I am wondering if these are are predominantly, obviously not new, but newer buildings or predominantly significantly older buildings.

1:29:47And if there's anything that we need to be aware of in terms of how that pilot will, how the results of that pilot will transfer to buildings across the city, if they were all a similar age or a similar type of build, where we might need to think about how other types of buildings yeah, that's a great question too.

Vin Mason 1:30:15 - 1:30:35

1:30:15And there's a wide range of ages of buildings and the renters that are served.

1:30:23So one of the buildings is naturally occurring affordable housing, another one's regulated affordable housing.

1:30:28Others are at market rate across the kind of income spectrum, from our understanding.

Quinton Zondervan 1:30:35 - 1:30:35

1:30:35And so I think that's a really important question.

Unidentified speaker 1:30:35 - 1:30:35

1:30:35Thank you.

Vin Mason 1:30:35 - 1:31:17

1:30:35And there's various ages.

1:30:37And one thing I think is really interesting, when we have that commercial energy reporting data in hand in our first year, we heard repeatedly concerns about like, what about the older buildings because they'll be poor performing?

1:30:49And then the city actually discloses that information on a map as the incentive to do better.

1:30:54And won't this be shaming these older buildings?

1:30:57And what's fascinating when we have the data, and this is pretty consistent across the US, The highest performing buildings are before we started conditioning them in the 1940s.

1:31:06So when we look at, like, when we have modern building energy codes since 2010, the performance of those modern buildings is very similar to those from 1880 through 1920s.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:31:17 - 1:31:19

1:31:17It's the buildings in the middle that we have problems with.

Vin Mason 1:31:20 - 1:31:22

1:31:20Yeah, especially if they're air-cooled.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:31:25 - 1:32:07

1:31:25I would love, as we move forward with these discussions to just learn a little bit more about the pilot and what we learned through those buildings to help us understand how this program will work moving forward.

1:31:38Um, I have a question about institutions.

1:31:42Do we know very much— and maybe our panelists online could help with this— do we know very much about how institutions were treated in other major cities and what what allowances were needed for our large healthcare and education settings to be a part of this program in a way that works for those types of campuses?

Vin Mason 1:32:11 - 1:32:14

1:32:11I could share something, but Quentin, do you want to share the—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:32:14 - 1:32:16

1:32:14Yeah, Mr. Sondervan, did you have something there?

Quinton Zondervan 1:32:18 - 1:34:43

1:32:18Yeah, certainly happy to speak to that.

1:32:21As I mentioned in my remarks, there was initial opposition from Harvard and MIT, who own a lot of property in Cambridge, when we pulled in the deadline for the largest buildings to be 2035.

1:32:39And that took about 2 years to have that conversation with them.

1:32:44But ultimately, we were able to land on a policy that that they were happy with, and that included a lot of flexibility mechanisms, including, as I mentioned, carbon credits, the campus designation.

1:33:01We also designed a deferral mechanism where they could essentially— so we, we did include an alternative compliance fee of $234 a ton.

1:33:17And so in theory, they would owe that amount at the end of the compliance period if they didn't meet the designated targets.

1:33:28But through this deferral mechanism, they could receive a deferral on paying those fees in exchange for presenting a plan that has to be approved by the advisory council.

1:33:40Thank you.

1:33:41And that plan would allow them to say in 3 years or 4 years, we're going to make these major upgrades and we calculate that it will reduce our emissions beyond what will be required at that point.

1:33:58And if they meet those, you know, sort of prospective emissions reductions, then They don't have to pay those fees.

1:34:10But if they fail to meet those reductions, then they have to pay the fee plus a 10% penalty for not meeting those reductions.

1:34:21Yes.

1:34:21And they really like those provisions because it allows them to plan ahead several years.

1:34:27And even though they don't meet the requirements in the compliance year, They can defer the payment of those fees and catch up in, in a few years if the city approves their plan.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:34:44 - 1:34:59

1:34:44So it sounds like there was essentially an alternate track for those institutions with the ability to do things on a timeline that is more in line with the institutional planning that's required in spaces like that.

1:34:58Is that correct?

Quinton Zondervan 1:35:00 - 1:35:16

1:35:00Yeah, those provisions are not specific to those institutions.

1:35:05So, you know, theoretically anyone could take advantage of that provision, but they were particularly interested in those provisions because they do that type of long-term planning.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:35:17 - 1:35:29

1:35:17Okay, that's great.

1:35:18That would be something that I think would be interesting to learn more about.

1:35:22Thank you.

1:35:23Mr. Revillapati, did you have something to add as well?

1:35:26And I apologize if I I mispronounced your name there.

Rajeev Ravalapati 1:35:30 - 1:38:03

1:35:30That's quite all right.

1:35:31Kudos to you for getting it on the first try.

1:35:33Um, what I was going to say, Councilmember, in regards to follow-up on Quentin's response, I, I believe I heard you ask like, um, how are hospitals or institutional buildings complying with BPS?

1:35:44How have other jurisdictions with a BPS assuaged their concerns?

1:35:50Um, okay, a couple remarks I would have to that is broad strokes.

1:35:54So typically other jurisdictions address those concerns mainly through tailored compliance plans.

1:36:00So really, we're offering greater flexibility within the bucket that is alternative compliance pathways.

1:36:07Basically, an alternative compliance pathway is just an alternate to meeting the actual performance pathway or the performance target, and how ACPs are defined can be— can vary by the jurisdiction.

1:36:20Also, jurisdictions have addressed these concerns by campus-wide accounting and specific allowances for critical operations.

1:36:26So I guess 2 locations that I would cite as examples would be Seattle and Boston.

1:36:34So in Seattle, how hospitals and institutions can comply is that district campuses can submit what they call customized decarbonization plans, and they're meant to deliver cumulative Emissions reductions equal or greater than the standard pathway.

1:36:51And then eligible deductions include emergency generators, hospital emergency backup heat, or things like hospital laundry.

1:37:00And the way that approach addressed their concerns, um, was that it accommodates central plans— central plants, I'm sorry— and phased capital projects while distinguishing those critical energy uses from ordinary building loads.

1:37:15So essentially, Seattle also held focused hospital and laboratory and campus rulemaking meetings after they passed the policy and they moved towards the regulatory development.

1:37:26They had additional stakeholder meetings, uh, and focused groups with hospitals, labs, and campuses.

1:37:34Um, and then specific to Boston, um, same owner buildings can comprise a portfolio.

1:37:41Owners may apply for like individual schedules, but there's also specific hardship plans and criteria that Boston has in place that addresses eligible technical or financial constraints.

1:37:53So for Boston, they're allowing institutions to sequence investments across buildings and then seek like individual reviewed adjustments.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:38:04 - 1:38:22

1:38:04Okay, that's really helpful.

1:38:05I think the allowances for, I think you said it was emergency operations or major operations, those backup systems is a really interesting thing to hear about.

1:38:21I really appreciate that.

Rajeev Ravalapati 1:38:23 - 1:39:23

1:38:23Yeah, the last thing I'll say about Boston is, and Quentin recognizes this given he used to be adjacent to Boston, But as we know, like Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, all, you know, Boston, the Boston area has a very strong healthcare district.

1:38:38And so Boston created a healthcare district energy working group.

1:38:43It's no longer active, but that working group was influential during the rulemaking process to help assuage some of those longer, those longer-term concerns that hospitals and So that is also— I think rulemaking is— stakeholder engagement is inherent to the next step after adoption, which is rulemaking.

1:39:05And that's another opportunity where the jurisdiction can consider, like, a broad stakeholder engagement plan coupled with more narrowed working groups on specific property types who are going to have these more unique circumstances in order to meet the HART standards or the CHS standards, I should say.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:39:24 - 1:40:22

1:39:24Thank you.

1:39:24That's really helpful.

1:39:25And it sounds, in a few things that you have said and that others have said as well, like that stakeholder engagement and making sure we figure out how this can actually work and be implementable in different industries will be really important.

1:39:37I'll also note that there's testimony submitted, or I guess not testimony, but a document submitted from the Office of Sustainability in the City of Seattle that notes that they ended up getting unanimous support in part because of a lot of groundwork that was done trying to figure out how to make the standards meet the needs of sustainability goals while also working for a variety of stakeholders.

1:40:05So I'm taking note that that's an important part of the work that we will certainly need to continue to do as we move forward with figuring out the best way to do this in our city.

1:40:15Thank you all.

1:40:16I appreciate the answers.

1:40:17I have a few more questions written down, but I'll pause here to make sure we have time for others as well.

1:40:22Thank you, Chair.

Mitch Green 1:40:27 - 1:40:59

1:40:27Uh, thank you, Chair Avalos.

1:40:28Thanks for, um, leading on this policy.

1:40:31Um, I think it's critical for our, uh, you know, sort of putting a stake in the ground.

1:40:36Is Portland a climate leader or not?

1:40:38You know, so I think this is a big piece of it.

1:40:41I think you touched on something a little earlier.

1:40:43You mentioned the kind of eligibility for certain energy efficiency grants, and I wanted to tie that together a little bit because in an earlier conversation— make sure I'm tracking this correctly— so Eco Northwest did some analysis on net impact to tenants in what year?

Vin Mason 1:41:01 - 1:41:08

1:41:01The analysis started, I believe, at the beginning of 2024.

1:41:05We might have engaged them in 2023, but it was completed in 2024.

Mitch Green 1:41:09 - 1:41:45

1:41:09Okay, and so then, so that's a relatively recent, um, so that net impact to tenants, did that consider, I mean, what we would refer to as like warm rent, so rent plus utilities, or is it just rent?

1:41:22Rent plus utilities.

1:41:23Right, and that's probably why they found that there's no net impact is because over the long haul you see that this lowers their net utility bills.

1:41:34So if they're seeing some upward rent pressure from the cost of upgrading the building, that's offset by the reduction in the utility bills.

1:41:43Is that the right way to think about it?

Vin Mason 1:41:45 - 1:42:26

1:41:45That is.

1:41:46And there is a summary of their discussion specifically around naturally occurring affordable housing.

1:41:53And to your point, the conclusion is that given this long compliance period, That owners would not readily recover their investments to comply, except in the case when it's well known by both the renter and the owner that utility bills have gone down.

1:42:15And that goes back to what I was mentioning earlier, the ability to pay.

1:42:18So if it's known that the tenant now has a heat pump that's saving them $50 a month, it's known by both parties, then that recovery of $50 a month could happen.

1:42:26Thank you.

Mitch Green 1:42:30 - 1:42:42

1:42:30Okay.

1:42:31And when they did this analysis, did they look at, like, how did they estimate sort of— and I'm sorry, I'm getting like super technical, but how do they estimate like utility bills?

Vin Mason 1:42:44 - 1:43:12

1:42:44Yeah, that's a great question, and it's a good technical question.

1:42:47I don't have the exact answer for you at this time, but they worked with The cost estimator on the estimating the equipment costs for the reduction utility bills.

1:43:05They also worked with ZGF in town, an architect, and they— I think maybe they provided that data to them.

Mitch Green 1:43:13 - 1:44:46

1:43:13Okay.

1:43:14We can follow up.

1:43:15Yeah, that'd be helpful.

1:43:18In a previous life, I used to be a load forecaster for a large utility, and the way that it works is, generally speaking, the utility plans based upon the peakiness of their load over the course of a year.

1:43:31And so if you have climate change happening, you have a situation where Portland households have to turn on the heat more often than they used to, or, or turn on the air conditioning more often than they used to.

1:43:43That increases what's called heating degree days.

1:43:45Which then drives your peaks up.

1:43:47And so if you've got a situation where building a code standard or sort of a standard like this sort of creates a regulatory cap on overall emissions, that's going to reduce those heating degree days and cooling degree days, and that's going to flatten out your load forecast.

1:44:05And so I do think— I don't know if that went into that analysis, but I think that's sort of bullish for the case.

1:44:12And also, there's probably a feedback loop whereby utility bills themselves get lower because the utilities don't need to do as expensive upgrades that they might have otherwise had to do in the absence of this policy framework.

1:44:24So I think that there's— if we're not capturing that full cost and benefit picture, then I think we might be understating the benefits to all parties from the study.

1:44:33And so I'll look for any details that maybe exist in the record.

1:44:37Maybe you can help me find those between—.

1:44:38Yeah.

1:44:39Before this comes to a vote, but I'd be curious in stitching all that together for the rest of our colleagues who are not on this committee.

Vin Mason 1:44:47 - 1:45:01

1:44:47Sure, that's a very good point.

1:44:49And that is reminding me that it's not just the utility bill reductions because of higher efficient equipment, but also they looked at rates and assumed rate trends based on a certain timeframe in the 2020s.

Mitch Green 1:45:01 - 1:45:18

1:45:01Yeah, I think this is a—.

1:45:04Yeah.

1:45:05And then of course, you know, I'm looking at the CIP for PCF right now.

1:45:09There's just a number of opportunities to apply for these grants, uh, to offset these costs as well.

1:45:14So, um, and you already mentioned that.

1:45:16So, um, I think that's all I have.

Candace Avalos 1:45:18 - 1:45:20

1:45:18Thanks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:45:24 - 1:45:51

1:45:24Hi, thank you for being here.

1:45:26Um, I have a question for our representative from the county.

1:45:30Andrea, if that's possible, because oftentimes on this dais we're thinking about city-county collaboration more in terms of homelessness response, and I'm wondering if you can speak at all to how we can do— how we can be better partners on climate issues and if there are gaps or opportunities you see.

Andrea Hamberg 1:45:52 - 1:46:03

1:45:52That's a great question.

1:45:53I don't have an immediate answer for you, but I'd love to connect with your your team and talk more about opportunities upcoming.

1:46:03Okay, to be brief.

Quinton Zondervan 1:46:05 - 1:46:05

1:46:05Great.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:46:06 - 1:46:18

1:46:06And then I had a question, um, for Taryn, if that's okay.

1:46:11Is that okay, Taryn?

1:46:12Um, so I understand that, that you actually were part of the Build Shift Collective.

Tarren Evans 1:46:18 - 1:46:19

1:46:18Yes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:46:19 - 1:46:33

1:46:19That helped develop the climate and health standards for existing buildings And I'm wondering if you can speak a little bit to why it was important for community that the building performance standards were paired with tenant-focused policies in the proposal.

Tarren Evans 1:46:34 - 1:47:09

1:46:34Yeah, thank you for that question.

1:46:36So we, Build Shift, met over the course of, I believe it was like 2 or 3 years or so.

1:46:42We had a lot of conversations with the team as well as several larger community convenings And that was a concern that we repeatedly heard, that people, of course, like, wanted their housing to be healthier, more efficient, but they were concerned about potential displacement.

1:47:00And so that was something that we wanted to make sure was, you know, centered in this policy and that there were measures in there to mitigate potential displacement that could occur.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:47:11 - 1:47:14

1:47:11Thank you.

1:47:12That's all that popped up for me for now.

Candace Avalos 1:47:15 - 1:47:17

1:47:15Councilor Novick.

Steve Novick 1:47:17 - 1:48:08

1:47:17Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:47:19I think this question is for Ben and Andrea again.

1:47:22There's something I forgot to ask, which I'm just intensely personally curious about.

1:47:27I think your proposed carbon pollution impact fee is set at $380 per ton, and in my last job in this coalition of 120 lawyers from a bunch of different state AG's offices around the country, I was the social cost of carbon guy.

1:47:42And the Obama administration, as you probably know, said that the cost that carbon imposes on the world is $50 per ton, which was obscenely low.

1:47:51And then Trump tried to cut it to $7 a ton.

1:47:54And then the Biden administration raised it to $190 a ton, which is better, but it still leaves out a lot of things they said they couldn't measure, like the cost of wildfires.

1:48:04So I'm just curious how you got to the $380.

1:48:07What factors do you look at?

Andrea Durbin 1:48:09 - 1:48:24

1:48:09Andrea Jacob, for the record.

1:48:11Councilor, I'd like to defer to Chair Avalos since that number did not come from BPS.

1:48:15Oh, well, the reference did.

1:48:20The reference, not the number.

1:48:21The 380 did not come from us, but if you want to speak to the—.

Vin Mason 1:48:24 - 1:49:03

1:48:24Yeah, so in the draft that we prepared based on the staff proposal, we looked at the social cost of carbon as one factor, but also other factors like but really importantly is, does this incentivize retrofits?

1:48:42Is it high enough to incentivize reducing emissions?

1:48:45Because the goal is not to raise revenue through fees.

1:48:49The goal is really to get to zero carbon emissions.

1:48:51So we shared an EPA resource that I believe all the other cities that have carbon performance standards also reference, or earlier drafts of it.

1:49:00It's a 2023 EPA social cost of greenhouse gases.

Quinton Zondervan 1:49:03 - 1:49:04

1:49:03Thank you.

1:49:04Yes.

Vin Mason 1:49:04 - 1:49:43

1:49:04In there, Table 4.1.1, you can see a variety of scenarios from 2030 to 2050 and beyond for different discount rates and a cost of carbon associated with each one.

1:49:19So we refer to that as a great resource for the councilor's consideration.

1:49:25And then as we referred it, we also noted that these utility discount— or the discount rate is essentially, how much do you value doing something about climate now versus having to deal with it later?

1:49:36And so the higher value within that table is addressing those concerns earlier rather than waiting till later.

Steve Novick 1:49:44 - 1:50:07

1:49:44Okay, that's music to my ears.

1:49:46I mean, I think there's a strong argument for having no discount rate whatsoever because future generations matter as much as we do.

1:49:54What the Biden administration did specifically was they dropped the discount rate from 3% to 2%.

1:50:01Is what you're doing sort of reflect going below that and having it more like 1% or something like that?

Vin Mason 1:50:07 - 1:50:29

1:50:07Similar.

1:50:08I mean, so we didn't select any specific value, but as we shared the reference, the reference does have a range of 1.5% to 2% to 2.5% and then has a social cost of carbon for each of those discount rates.

1:50:21And I believe it's the Thank you.

Steve Novick 1:50:29 - 1:50:59

1:50:29By the way, just, uh, I have to let people know that using a 3% discount rate, which the Obama administration was using, and assuming the cost of human life is $10 million, which is what the US government currently says, under the Obama discount rate, um, an event causing the extinction of all human life 500 years from now would have been valued at $29 billion.

1:50:48That's a lot of money.

1:50:49Meaning it would be considered economically inefficient to spend $30 billion to prevent that.

1:50:53And so that's the impact of these various— using different discount rates.

1:50:58Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:51:00 - 1:53:05

1:51:00Good to know we've got some of that expertise on council we can tap.

1:51:08Yeah, you guys can rattle off with that.

1:51:13Okay, great.

1:51:14I don't see any other folks in the queue.

1:51:16We've got about 6 more minutes if there are folks that I want to hop in, um, and I can also make a couple of quick comments.

1:51:23Um, yeah, ultimately I think where we're at is we, uh, did file the legislation at noon today so that it will be in on, um, during our October 20th meeting.

1:51:38Um, I have informed you all about certain changes that we have made in recent weeks due to some, um, I think the biggest areas around alternative compliance pathways were what we've been workshopping.

1:51:52And then ultimately, yeah, I'm looking forward to bringing that in 2 weeks.

1:51:57I think that what I'm— what I've heard of the conversation here, I guess I would just ask if councilors have further questions, come chat with me.

1:52:05If there are other concerns that might require a technical adjustment, I'm open to that.

1:52:11And that's that's obviously something we can do to bring it back on the 20th if we need to make any further amendments.

1:52:20I think that— and you kind of spoke to it, Councilor Novick— obviously there are lots of different questions that have come in that, you know, some of them are technical and some of them are policy differences that we're just not going to agree on.

1:52:32And so I'm thankful, though, to the partners that I've been working with, and I've been very transparent with them about where I'm at, where I thought there were technical issues and where there were policy disagreements, including wanting an exemption of higher education, to which I don't agree.

1:52:47And I've stated that pretty clearly, and I've shared my reasoning and have made a bunch of adjustments to address the concerns that have been brought.

1:52:55But I think those are the ongoing questions that we have as we continue this, and we'll bring it on the 20th.

1:53:01I see that I've got Rajiv.

1:53:02Did you want to make a comment on something I said?

Rajeev Ravalapati 1:53:06 - 1:54:24

1:53:06I did, Councilmember Avalos, and apologies if I'm butchering your last name.

1:53:11What I just wanted to say was your comment about— I think I heard you say like potential adjustments or refinements to the alternative compliance pathways in the ordinance.

1:53:22One thing I did not mention is with most BPSs, we have undertaken a federal project To standardize a framework for alternative compliance pathways.

1:53:36And should— this project is a specific nod to— for a building owner who has— who manages large portfolios across multiple jurisdictions that have to comply with a web of BPS requirements.

1:53:52Each BPS has a different ACP option.

1:53:56So To try and standardize that and make things easier to comply for the building owner as well as make it more administratively feasible for the jurisdiction, we've developed a model framework for ACPs as well as regulations.

1:54:11So this is more of like a direct nod to you and to Vin.

1:54:17If there is more guidance or updates or refinements to the ACPs, IMT is more than happy to provide additional technical expertise.

Candace Avalos 1:54:27 - 1:54:39

1:54:27Thank you so much for, uh, having your services available to us, and we definitely will be reaching out.

1:54:37Um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, last word.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:54:39 - 1:55:37

1:54:39Yeah, thank you, Chair.

1:54:41It sounds like you are hoping to move this pretty quickly through committee.

1:54:46I know that you have had a lot of conversations, but for at least me, and I, I'm I'm assuming others at the dais, we're getting a lot of incoming from groups who are raising concerns, and we haven't been a part of that workshopping or those conversations.

1:55:02That hasn't been done in a public, in this sort of way, setting, though I know you invited people to your workshop with me.

1:55:12Are you planning to try to move this quickly that same day?

1:55:16Yes.

1:55:17Are you planning on this committee spending some time getting the details right?

1:55:21And are you going to share with us transparently where you have made policy decisions so that we as a group of 5 can make sure that we understand those policy decisions and have the opportunity to weigh in on them as we move this policy forward?

Candace Avalos 1:55:38 - 1:56:22

1:55:38Well, like any councilor who introduces legislation, of course, the goal is to share with you exactly the policy decisions.

1:55:44This is policymaking.

1:55:45So yes, I will plan to do that.

1:55:47As far as what the outcome will be, I have not determined one.

1:55:50It is scheduled for the 20th.

1:55:51It's moving through the legislative process like everything else does.

1:55:54If there are concerns that are raised that require a pause, I'd be welcome to that.

1:55:59I have not heard any that require me to pause, so I feel like I've addressed everything I needed to address.

1:56:04It's my policy, of course, but you all have your prerogative as councilors if you hear other concerns or you have questions or have proposed amendments.

1:56:12That is part of the legislative process that we all follow.

1:56:14So I don't see that being any different than what is already offered.

1:56:18So unless there's something specific different that you're looking for, that's the process I'm planning to take.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:56:23 - 1:56:27

1:56:23I think I'm hoping to hear that we'll have time for that process in committee that day.

Candace Avalos 1:56:29 - 2:09:37

1:56:29Well, I guess it just depends.

1:56:30I don't know what people want to change, right?

1:56:32As far as I'm concerned, right, we have this meeting, we have— we've been engaging with stakeholders If there are things that you think require more time, I have not heard of those things, so I'm open to that.

1:56:41But I don't— I'm not going to give you a determination on what we're going to do on the 20th until I know if there are some kind of changes that are going to be astronomical that will require more time.

1:56:50So again, that is what the legislative process demands.

1:56:52I don't think I'm doing anything differently.

1:56:54If you're asking a request for more time, please reach out to my office.

1:56:57I'd love to hear what things you think deserve more time.

1:57:00Is that understood?

1:57:04Great.

1:57:04Okay, we're going to go ahead and take a break for 10 minutes.

1:57:07It is 3:50.

1:57:07I'll see you at 4.

1:57:09Thank you.

2:09:20All right.

2:09:29We are going to return at 4:02, 4:03.

2:09:35Diego, go ahead and please call item 2.

Unidentified speaker 2:09:38 - 2:09:54

2:09:38Item 2, document number 2026-346, amend property tax exemption for low-income housing held by nonprofit organizations code to extend the sunset date, replace code chapter 3.101.

Candace Avalos 2:09:54 - 2:10:21

2:09:54All right, so the Nonprofit Low-Income Housing Limited Tax Exemption provides a property tax exemption for low-income nonprofit housing providers that develop and preserve affordable housing units.

2:10:06The city needs to update current code to align with state law in order to continue providing this property tax exemption.

2:10:13So I will go ahead and hand it off to PHB staff to tell us more.

2:10:21Take it away.

Queesha Light 2:10:23 - 2:11:38

2:10:23One second, sorry, got my computer was about to die on me.

2:10:35Um, Okay, okay, maybe I can get it.

2:11:01There we go.

2:11:05Do you got it in there?

2:11:08Okay.

2:11:19Okay, wrong one.

2:11:33I did, I'm in there, I just need to Get it to come up here.

Candace Avalos 2:11:38 - 2:11:40

2:11:38Are we having technical difficulties or what's going on?

Queesha Light 2:11:41 - 2:13:18

2:11:41No, I just— computer was on the— I had to do everything all the way over.

2:11:46Sorry, because it was all shutting down.

2:11:51There we go.

2:11:54And let's get this in here.

2:11:56One second.

2:11:59Uh, there we are.

2:12:06Okay, now I know, like, um, okay, we'll get to—.

2:12:17We'll get through this.

2:12:19All right, good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green.

2:12:22My name is Queesha Light.

2:12:23I'm the interim director of the Portland Housing Bureau, and today, um, as noted, we are We are here to talk with you about the nonprofit limited tax exemption, or NPLTE.

2:12:34We are bringing forward a rather simple request and change to essentially align with changes that were made in state code.

2:12:45And I just wanted to say that the NPLTE has been a very significant way and a significant incentive for our affordable housing providers to be able to provide housing and maintain their operating costs within certain limits that keep housing affordable.

2:13:09And Dori's going to walk you through just an overview of the program and the ask that we have in front of you today.

2:13:18Thank you.

Dori Hellier 2:13:22 - 2:17:58

2:13:22Good afternoon.

2:13:23My name is Dori Hellier, and I manage The development incentives programs with the Housing Bureau, including the Nonprofit Limited Tax Exemption Program.

2:13:34The city first adopted the program in 1985, and the Housing Bureau administers the program for the City of Portland according to the state requirements, and that supports the operation, preservation, and development of affordable housing.

2:13:49The program provides a property tax exemption including both the land and building values for Portland properties operated by eligible nonprofit low-income housing providers.

2:14:01Only the portion of the property serving tenants earning up to 60% of median income at the time of move-in, or 80% of median income in subsequent years, are eligible for the exemption.

2:14:15Mixed-income buildings may still be partially taxable, and commercial spaces spaces are generally not included in the exemption as well.

2:14:24Um, the program allows the exemption of taxes for property being held for, um, future development of low-income housing as well.

2:14:36The Nonprofit Limited Tax Exemption Program requires an annual certification from eligible nonprofits updating the property and individual units that are eligible for the program each year.

2:14:47And the Housing Bureau reviews these submissions and works with Multnomah County to apply the exemptions to each property account annually.

2:14:56The exemption remains available on an ongoing basis as long as the state, city, and county continue to approve the program.

2:15:04And compared to other exemption programs like the multiple unit limited tax exemption, which is limited in state statute to 10 consecutive years, For the current tax year—.

2:15:15Let me go on to the next one.

2:15:18Okay.

2:15:19Oh no, sorry.

2:15:20For the, for the current tax year, um, 67 different nonprofit housing providers operating over 700 properties are benefiting from the exemption.

2:15:30The exemption supports more than 17,000 rental homes of all types, from studio apartments to single-family homes.

2:15:38The program benefits both Housing Bureau-funded projects as well as those projects not receiving funding from the city but are otherwise restricted.

2:15:47Projects only regulated by the Housing Bureau and not operated by nonprofit housing providers, such as those taking part in the city's Inclusionary Housing Program, generally receive a property tax exemption through the 10-year multi-program instead.

2:16:01Projects operated by Home Forward benefit from another property tax exemption program that is specifically for housing authorities.

2:16:09And with that, still over 75% of the PHB-regulated projects benefit from the nonprofit limited tax exemption program.

2:16:18The program is an essential component to keeping families and individuals in their homes.

2:16:27So as mentioned before, the state extended the sunset for the nonprofit limited tax tax exemption program to July 1st, 2033 through House Bill 2077.

2:16:38The program currently is approved in city code through January 1st, 2027, and continuing the approval of the program is vital.

2:16:47Without it, existing low-income housing will be in jeopardy, and it will impact the financing of both preservation and new construction projects.

2:16:57This code amendment allows the nonprofit limited tax exemption program to continue by referring directly to the sunset date in state statute rather than stating a specific date, and meaning that the program can continue seamlessly as long as it is approved at the state level.

2:17:16The code change also clarifies the purpose, procedures, and implementation of the program, making it consistent with other tax tax exemption code sections.

2:17:25The County Commission also needs to approve the continued administration of the program after council approval, and we are coming now because we are seeking to have these approvals in place before the expiration of the program.

2:17:42Applications for this next tax year are due in early in the first quarter of 2027.

2:17:54And that, uh, is our presentation.

2:17:57We're happy to take questions.

Candace Avalos 2:18:01 - 2:18:13

2:18:01Thank you.

2:18:01I believe we have some public testimony.

2:18:03Yes, so let's do that and then we'll come back and take questions.

2:18:08Thank you.

2:18:11Go ahead and, Diego, call up our testifiers.

Unidentified speaker 2:18:14 - 2:18:22

2:18:14We have one individual signed up Neil Whitaker.

Neil Whitaker 2:18:26 - 2:21:05

2:18:26Respected members of the council, the Housing Committee, my name is Neil Whitaker.

2:18:32I hope council saw the ProPublica article out about the financial ethics violation by the director of our state housing agency, because this is not what I'm bringing you today is not entirely unrelated to that.

2:18:46You do have a vote coming up on extending the NPLT an additional 6 years, but I think the information PHB has just provided is at least a bit inadequate for you to make an informed vote.

2:18:57PHB doesn't really show you that there, there are 2 distinctively different ways to qualify for this.

2:19:02So we have nonprofits qualifying, and then what they didn't mention was that we also have for-profit that qualify.

2:19:09And the data is unfortunately commingled, and I've been asking them for several months to separate out what the total dollar amount is for for-profits.

2:19:16So we have for-profit entities qualifying for a nonprofit property tax exemption.

2:19:20So how do they do that?

2:19:22This is— it's in letter and intent, it's for entities that operate entirely within the 501 nonprofit tax arena in order to get this tax break.

2:19:30So the city has kind of behind the scenes, they're giving it to a long list of nonprofits.

2:19:35I think you should have the number of the for-profit entities that are getting this tax break and the total dollar amount and see if you want to parse that or, or not, because it isn't really accurate.

2:19:46It's fine if you want to give it to all low-income providers, but that's not the name.

2:19:50It's, it's named nonprofit low-income.

2:19:53So these for-profit owners of low-income also get the entire long list of government funding sources and emergency bailouts as well.

2:20:00They don't have to operate within the wider 501-type restrictions.

2:20:04And that is unfair to nonprofits who have to line all that other stuff up to get the exemption.

2:20:10And we have a compounded problem with our 60% AMI rents.

2:20:13Our certified low-income rents are equal to market rate.

2:20:16So now we've also made this unfair to the for-profit providers.

2:20:20We've— I can't tell if you're coming or going with this tax policy.

2:20:24So if I was an owner of a market-rate complex in Portland right now who was already accidentally naturally providing certifiable low-income rents.

2:20:33I would just do what these essentially hedge funds are doing and tack on your tiny 501 at 1/200th of property ownership and get out of my $100,000 a year annual property taxes.

2:20:47So this is, to me, this looks really outdated, really flimsy, and deceptive to the public because I can't really tell who you're trying to benefit here.

2:20:56And I just think you should have the number of properties that are doing the token 501, the for-profits that are getting this, that number—.

Candace Avalos 2:21:06 - 2:21:10

2:21:06Thank you.

2:21:07You still have time.

2:21:09You've got 30 seconds.

Neil Whitaker 2:21:10 - 2:21:10

2:21:10What's that?

Candace Avalos 2:21:10 - 2:21:11

2:21:10You still have 30 seconds.

Neil Whitaker 2:21:11 - 2:21:34

2:21:11Oh, so you should separate out the for-profits because they didn't really mention that there's a way that for-profits qualify, and it's not the same.

2:21:19This isn't an equivalent journey to get this tax break.

2:21:23You just need 2 numbers.

2:21:24And then you can make an informed decision how many properties and the total dollar amount that the for-profits are getting.

2:21:30I've been asking them for that for 6 months.

2:21:32I don't know why that was such a difficult—.

Sarah Radlett 2:21:35 - 2:21:35

2:21:35Thank you.

Quinton Zondervan 2:21:38 - 2:21:38

2:21:38Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:21:40 - 2:21:41

2:21:40That concludes testimony.

Candace Avalos 2:21:42 - 2:22:02

2:21:42Okay, um, let's go ahead and bring Housing Bureau back up for questions and comments from committee.

2:21:50Um, Maybe I'll start by saying, what is your reaction to that testimony?

2:21:55Because sounds like there's a question here of, um, whether there's a loophole, and I'm curious your reaction.

Queesha Light 2:22:05 - 2:23:10

2:22:05So the reality is what we have is— I think what Mr. Whitaker is getting to, the MPLTE application doesn't require, or, or that the code doesn't say that we regulate a certain percentage of partnership.

2:22:26It just says general partner, and the nonprofit has to be a general partner, and they have to operate the day-to-day responsibilities.

2:22:33That's it.

2:22:34It, it doesn't tell us to manage at a certain percentage level.

2:22:40Um, and so we I think his concern is that you could potentially have a for-profit and a nonprofit partner, and the non— you know, there's a small percentage that the nonprofit is a partnership.

2:22:56But that's not what we are required to regulate or, um, uh, I mean, or, or speak to in any way.

2:23:03That is, if they meet the requirements, they meet the eligibility, then they are entitled to the incentive.

Neil Whitaker 2:23:10 - 2:23:10

2:23:10Thank you.

Queesha Light 2:23:11 - 2:23:35

2:23:11And we have— and I would say the other thing is this: much affordable housing being built is being built because of partnerships.

2:23:22And so that incentive is there to continue to encourage those partnerships so that the affordable housing that we need gets built.

2:23:32But I'll let you know if there's anything else you want to add.

Dori Hellier 2:23:36 - 2:24:46

2:23:36Sure, I, um, I could also add just that the limited partnership structure is a, um, construct of the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, um, program and how the majority of nonprofit-sponsored affordable housing across the country, let alone locally, is funded.

2:23:58And so those partnerships themselves are not something that I don't think that we are seeing being put together strictly for the purpose of evading guidelines for the tax exemption program.

2:24:10There are layers and layers of legal requirements and lawyers and funders and others looking at all of those documents as projects are financed and brought to fruition.

2:24:25We do evaluate all of the corporate articles for every single application that is submitted and ensure that there is indeed a connection by an eligible nonprofit organization to the, the project, as is shown through a limited partnership agreement as one example.

Queesha Light 2:24:48 - 2:25:17

2:24:48And might I add just one more thing?

2:24:50I think if the nonprofit's role is substantive, and then that is they are doing the general day-to-day work And they are actually supporting, you know, low-income housing and residents, then the requirements for the exemption are met.

2:25:10And I think that is, you know, we need to actually have to look at those questions.

2:25:14That, that, that to me is the accountability question.

Candace Avalos 2:25:20 - 2:25:27

2:25:20Okay, thanks for— I don't— I put you on the spot, but just figured let's get it out of the way and just see what's going on there.

2:25:26Vice Chair Green.

Quinton Zondervan 2:25:28 - 2:25:29

2:25:28Thank you.

Mitch Green 2:25:29 - 2:25:41

2:25:29I was also getting in the queue to ask questions about this testimony that we heard.

2:25:35Just to go a little further, so ORS, I think it's 307—.

Dori Hellier 2:25:41 - 2:25:44

2:25:41Well, it's 307.540.

Mitch Green 2:25:45 - 2:26:21

2:25:45Thank you.

2:25:46That defines the state-level program, right?

2:25:49Yes.

2:25:50And it defines what what, you know, eligibility it looks like.

2:25:53But then we also have code that clarifies and creates the program at the local level.

2:26:00I guess the question I'm asking for is, are we bound by a certain interpretation by state law, or are we in city code saying, you know, a partnership is treated the same as a corporation, so on and so forth?

2:26:16And do we not have regulatory—.

2:26:18I'm sorry.

2:26:18Do you have any authority to go further and maybe address this question?

Dori Hellier 2:26:24 - 2:27:05

2:26:24We do, in our code that we're proposing, refer back to the guidelines as they are required at the state level for consistency across all of the other funding sources and programs that also designate limited partnership agreements in that same way.

2:26:44So as not to interfere with funding of new projects.

2:26:51So legally, the question is we can always add more detail to our code if we can demonstrate what the need is and why we're doing that and what the context and what the outcomes would be.

Mitch Green 2:27:06 - 2:27:46

2:27:06Yeah, that's helpful.

2:27:08Because I think for me, if the letter and intent of this is is to make sure that it's not for-profit firms that get a nonprofit tax exemption.

2:27:19Although I understand that if it's some nonprofit that manages the thing on a day-to-day basis and delivers the thing, but how do we know?

2:27:31Like, how do we know that just by having some sort of nonprofit in a portfolio So we're not skirting that and just providing a tax exemption for a for-profit entity?

2:27:45Do we have any way of verifying that?

Dori Hellier 2:27:46 - 2:28:48

2:27:46I mean, we, we do know that in properties that we have direct financing in, that the— and we can assume through the limited partnership agreements that it's the same for other properties— that the nonprofit is the one responsible for repayment of the loan.

2:28:04The nonprofit is the one that's on the hook for the operation of these properties.

2:28:09With the limited partnership agreement through the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit program, the corporation or the entity that is the for-profit one is benefiting by getting the low— the, the federal tax benefits to put money into the project.

2:28:27So that's the benefit that they're already receiving.

2:28:29The actual property tax exemption is a applying to keeping the operation of that particular building in, in place.

2:28:38And so that's the way that we're evaluating the benefit of the exemption directly, you know, being for the nonprofit agency providing the low-income housing.

Quinton Zondervan 2:28:49 - 2:28:50

2:28:49Okay.

Sarah Radlett 2:28:53 - 2:28:53

2:28:53Do we—.

Mitch Green 2:28:54 - 2:29:02

2:28:54I guess my next question would be, do we have, do we have the data to parse Is that the thing that Mr. Whitaker has asked for us to parse?

Dori Hellier 2:29:03 - 2:29:31

2:29:03We don't try— with over, you know, that many units and that many properties, when we do evaluate, we do evaluate each and every ownership entity.

2:29:13But in our current tracking system, we don't designate beyond whether it's a limited partnership or an LLC or a property owned directly.

2:29:24So we don't go to the percentage of ownership or that sort of thing.

2:29:29We just don't have that within our current records.

Mitch Green 2:29:34 - 2:29:41

2:29:34But you do have some level of understanding of what the partnerships look like?

Dori Hellier 2:29:42 - 2:29:46

2:29:42We do look at those.

2:29:43Staff does look at every single partnership agreement, yes.

Mitch Green 2:29:46 - 2:29:49

2:29:46Well, we would be able to get that information?

Dori Hellier 2:29:49 - 2:29:57

2:29:49We would have to go back through every single application and weed through the exact percentage of ownership for every single one.

Quinton Zondervan 2:30:02 - 2:30:03

2:30:02Okay.

Mitch Green 2:30:04 - 2:30:08

2:30:04And you don't— that's just not work that the bureau has done to date, is that what—.

Dori Hellier 2:30:08 - 2:30:23

2:30:08It's not something we track.

2:30:10Again, we do look at it with every single application that we evaluate, but it's not something that we then record in a spreadsheet somewhere to say exactly what the percentage of ownership is for each property or ownership entity.

Mitch Green 2:30:24 - 2:30:29

2:30:24Okay, so that's— it's not processed data that could be furnished in a timely fashion?

Dori Hellier 2:30:29 - 2:30:46

2:30:29Yeah, it's not a benchmark that's part of qualification for the program.

2:30:33It's strictly that there is a legal connection in the way as described in statute for the nonprofit organization to be a qualified okay.

Mitch Green 2:30:50 - 2:30:55

2:30:50Uh, Director Light, how long would it take to, to furnish that, to build that data?

Queesha Light 2:30:58 - 2:31:56

2:30:58The capacity for the team to go back through that at this time, and actually I think that's, that's just, that's going to take some months given everything else that's happening right now.

2:31:14And I would really— I just want to make sure we're separating out what we're trying to do today to keep this exemption moving forward for those that need it to operate, and this question of, you know, do we need— of evaluating this issue, I think, are two— I just want to make sure we're separating those and keeping those very distinct because I think council can certainly legislate further around this issue, but to keep this exemption available to those that do need it to operate is, is really critical.

2:31:49So, um, for us to do that, like I said, that's, that's going to take some months for my team to go back through all the documents to do that.

Mitch Green 2:31:57 - 2:32:06

2:31:57Okay, that's helpful.

2:31:58So, and you said earlier that this needs to be approved before the end of the year for folks to sort of go into the next tax year?

Queesha Light 2:32:07 - 2:32:08

2:32:07Yeah.

Mitch Green 2:32:08 - 2:32:14

2:32:08And there's nothing to prevent us from adopting code to regulate our forward-looking actions?

Queesha Light 2:32:15 - 2:32:49

2:32:15No.

2:32:15I mean, that would be something, you know, of course we'd have city attorneys tell you exactly where we could go with that and vet it, but there's nothing that keeps council from looking at adopting other eligibility requirements.

2:32:28We would just ask that for today that that would be separated so we're not impacting those that do need it, because the reality is, um, they're— given the challenges that our affordable housing projects and units are facing right now, to take this away from some of them at a time when they're already struggling would not be a good thing.

Mitch Green 2:32:51 - 2:32:53

2:32:51Okay, thank you for entertaining my questions.

Queesha Light 2:32:53 - 2:32:54

2:32:53No, thank you.

Candace Avalos 2:32:55 - 2:32:55

2:32:55Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:32:56 - 2:34:25

2:32:56Thank you, Chair.

2:32:57I have 3 kind of separate questions, but I think I'll start with I'll start with the third because it goes down this path that Councilor Green was asking about.

2:33:05I heard you say in your response to the gentleman who gave testimony and in your response to Councilor Green that the operating practice is generally that the nonprofit partner is the one who is running the property, running the building, and that the for-profit partners are investors in that property.

2:33:28And I, I understand that if we were to ask for some sort of split in the future, right, a certain percent has to be owned by the nonprofit, that that could create challenges.

2:33:40Where is that line?

2:33:41What does that look like?

2:33:45Would conceptually— and I'm not proposing this, and to be clear, I'm not proposing that we do this today, but it sounds like Councilor Green may walk down this path further in the future.

2:33:58Would there be a challenge if we were to say that this program was available to housing where the primary operating partner is a nonprofit entity?

2:34:11If we looked not at the dollars in, but at the roles.

2:34:16Should I take that away from what you said previously, or is that— No, I think that's a fair point.

2:34:21Is that using too blunt an instrument to parse this?

Dori Hellier 2:34:25 - 2:35:06

2:34:25I'm not sure, Councilor, what effect that actually would have.

2:34:29I mean, it's obviously something we'd need to look at, the specificity of the legal language and who that would include or exclude.

2:34:39But ultimately, already we do have— it is limited only to nonprofit organizations that meet the few benchmarks, right?

2:34:48And, and that is either they own the property outright, they are, um, have a leasehold interest in the property, or they are a general partnership of a limited partnership that then does operate the property.

2:35:03So that is some— those benchmarks are already there.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:35:07 - 2:35:44

2:35:07It sounded like that third piece was maybe the question, and there was a question around how large a partner they were in that limited partnership.

2:35:17And I think I'm, I'm trying to understand if there's an easy way to parse the difference between a, a small financial partner and the operating partner while you have many other partners who are in as investing partners.

2:35:31And it may be that this requires more conversation.

2:35:34I'm comfortable moving forward today and coming back to this, but I wanted to ask that question while we were I can clarify at least that part of our review of those operating agreements is—.

Dori Hellier 2:35:45 - 2:36:17

2:35:45It's different in every single one, but we do look for the language that clarifies that the tax responsibility is borne on the nonprofit agency.

2:35:56That's one of them.

2:35:58We also look at they are responsible for the financial performance of the day-to-day operations and and so there it is said differently in every single agreement, but that's the general outcomes that we do verify in those documents so that the nonprofit is the one who's legally responsible for those things.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:36:19 - 2:37:14

2:36:19Okay, that's helpful.

2:36:23I'd like to understand this more later.

2:36:24I don't think I need to take the time today, but I do think that there are more questions that we should be asking about this.

2:36:31In the presentation that you gave, I'm trying to find the number here, you had a slide that said of the 700 properties, 253 have a single low-income unit, 349 have 2 or more, and then almost 100 are vacant.

2:36:47Are those properties with a single low-income unit single-family homes, or are those— okay, so these are not properties with mostly market-rate units and 1 or 2 or 3 rent single low-income units.

2:37:05These are properties that are single-family homes, duplexes, smaller properties than, than our larger apartment buildings.

Tarren Evans 2:37:14 - 2:37:15

2:37:14Correct.

Dori Hellier 2:37:15 - 2:37:21

2:37:15We have properties that are for 1 family and we have some that have several hundred units in them.

Sarah Radlett 2:37:21 - 2:37:21

2:37:21Yes.

Quinton Zondervan 2:37:22 - 2:37:22

2:37:22Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:37:23 - 2:38:29

2:37:23The way it was worded, it sounded like it could be a single unit in a larger building.

2:37:26I wanted the chance to clarify that.

2:37:28Thank you.

2:37:30And my final question is that you talked in the presentation about the program itself, and you talked about needing this legislation to extend the date and make sure that we don't have to worry about changes every time the state makes a change.

2:37:47That makes sense to me.

2:37:47Yeah.

2:37:48To me.

2:37:48But when I look at the actual code in Exhibit A, which would replace 3.101 that's currently in code on the books, it looks like a complete rewrite.

2:38:01And it has many of the same elements, but it's a complete rewrite.

2:38:04And I have not been working in this policy area long enough to know if that complete rewrite is making any other substantive changes or not.

2:38:12So can you spend just a minute or two walking us through what changes there are that we should make sure that we know about or that folks watching know about, since this is a complete rewrite of that section of code.

Dori Hellier 2:38:29 - 2:39:24

2:38:29Thank you for the question, Councilor.

2:38:33The reason for rewriting it is that the code was— has not been updated in any substantive way for many, many, many, many years.

2:38:42And we have learned over the years that in this particular code, it's essentially parroting the state statute.

2:38:50There are no additional policies or requirements really that are being outlined in the code.

2:38:58And so in order to reduce the potential for inconsistencies between city code and statute, City Attorney's Office has advised it's easier and more straightforward to refer directly to the statutory sections that we are using to implement the program so that we don't have any conflict with how we operate the program at the local level.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:39:26 - 2:40:11

2:39:26I understand that piece of it, and on things like eligible organizations referring directly to the ORS, um, It looks like it's more substantive than that, and there are pieces in here that have a lot more language than that, exemptions that don't refer to ORS at all.

2:39:49And there are pieces in the code now that are dropped.

2:39:51So are the pieces in— is the rewrite more aligned with state code than what we have on the books right now?

2:40:00And if So what provisions, if any, are we losing when we move to being more aligned with state code?

2:40:07Help me understand with something that is different.

Dori Hellier 2:40:11 - 2:40:12

2:40:11Yeah, it's actually—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:40:12 - 2:40:13

2:40:12What the impact on the ground is.

Tarren Evans 2:40:14 - 2:40:14

2:40:14Sure.

Dori Hellier 2:40:14 - 2:40:57

2:40:14Actually, it's, it's not in an alignment to change any way that we operate the program.

2:40:20But as an example, the current code refers to things that are included in the application, for instance.

2:40:26And so that's restating things that are already stated in statute, and so it's not necessary for that level of detail to live within the code.

2:40:39And if we wanted to even describe something further beyond what's in statute or code, it's something that could live in administrative rules, for instance.

2:40:48And so it makes it for a much tighter process to just say, you know, we— the application requirements of statute and anything else that the city may require.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:40:57 - 2:41:18

2:40:57Functionally, this moves more authority out of code and to the bureau to define some of those things by rule.

2:41:07It gives you a little bit more space to update the application without having to come back to us to have that changed in code, along with better aligning us to state code.

Dori Hellier 2:41:18 - 2:41:19

2:41:18Correct.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:41:19 - 2:41:32

2:41:19I think that's important to note because we, we need to know that we are, in moving this forward, giving you all more authority to run this program without having to go through us every time.

2:41:31Okay, thank you.

2:41:31Thank you, Chair.

Candace Avalos 2:41:35 - 2:41:51

2:41:35All right, seeing as no one else is in the queue and for time, because we have another time-sensitive item we must get done before 5, let's go ahead and move forward.

2:41:44I'd like to entertain a motion to move the ordinance document number 2026-346 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

Steve Novick 2:41:51 - 2:41:52

2:41:51So moved.

Candace Avalos 2:41:53 - 2:42:03

2:41:53Moved by Councilor Novick.

2:41:54Do I have a second?

2:41:58Seconded by me.

2:42:00Um, clerk, please call the roll.

Unidentified speaker 2:42:04 - 2:42:05

2:42:04Green?

Mitch Green 2:42:06 - 2:42:06

2:42:06No.

Unidentified speaker 2:42:07 - 2:42:08

2:42:07Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:42:11 - 2:42:11

2:42:11Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:42:14 - 2:42:15

2:42:14No.

Steve Novick 2:42:15 - 2:42:15

2:42:15Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:42:18 - 2:42:30

2:42:18With 3 ayes and 2 nays, the motion to refer the ordinance document number 2026-346 to the full council with the recommendation it be passed is accepted.

Candace Avalos 2:42:31 - 2:43:06

2:42:31Thank you.

2:42:31And a note to the public, it's clear that there is some further discussion, policy discussion, that will need to happen.

2:42:37Um, and so, uh, due to time, we need to move it out of committee.

2:42:42And so these are requests from administration and from Council President because these have to come onto the, uh, council agenda for next week.

2:42:48Same with this next one we're about to hear.

2:42:51Um, that is why I'm choosing— I chose to vote aye and move it forward.

2:42:54Um, but if there are, uh, amendments that need to get made, that can happen in the process at council.

2:43:03Okay, with that, please item— please read item 3.

Unidentified speaker 2:43:07 - 2:43:22

2:43:07Item 3, document number 2026-345, amend the Portland Zoning Code to bring it into compliance with Oregon state legislative bills passed in 2025 and 2026, amend Title 33.

Candace Avalos 2:43:23 - 2:43:38

2:43:23All right, so this ordinance amends Title 33 to the city's planning and zoning code to ensure that Portland's land use regulations are in compliance with various Oregon state legislative bills that were passed by the legislature in 2026 and 2027.

2:43:37So I will pass it off to staff to take it away.

Morgan Tracy 2:43:39 - 2:48:41

2:43:39Thank you very much.

2:43:40Good afternoon, uh, council committee members.

2:43:43I'm Morgan Tracy, senior planner with the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, here to present the Planning Commission's recommendation on the State Land Use Compliance Project.

2:43:51Uh, with me is Eric Engstrom, our bureau director, who you already know, and Erica Thompson from the Planning Commission will present additional remarks following this brief presentation.

2:44:03On June 23rd, the Planning Commission held a public hearing, received testimony from 3 individuals, discussed and deliberated, and ultimately recommended adopting the project report and amending the code to incorporate the proposals I will summarize for you today.

2:44:18So today I'll provide an overview and context for the state legislation included in this project scope cover the project timeline, review the 13 proposals, and then hand it over to Commissioner Thompson.

2:44:33So the project was initiated to update Portland zoning code to align with several state bills affecting housing and land use regulations passed in Oregon's 2025 and 2026 legislative sessions.

2:44:44While there were many bills that touched on these topics, many did not directly impact zoning regulations or the city is otherwise already in conformance with them.

2:44:52So the changes proposed with this project are necessary to ensure compliance and improve public understanding of how state rule changes will work together with Portland's zoning code.

2:45:01For a little context, the proposals respond to these 5 key bills.

2:45:05House Bill 2138 revises aspects of middle housing rules that the state passed in 2020.

2:45:11Senate Bill 974 and House Bill 4037 streamline procedures for certain types of residential development proposals by limiting notice and removing some hearing requirements.

2:45:21Senate Bill 1561 responds to challenges some faced when rebuilding their homes following the Labor Day fires in Detroit Lake by removing barriers to reconstruction when nonconforming dwellings are destroyed.

2:45:33And finally, House Bill 2005 recognizes the need for having more mental health treatment facilities by requiring cities to allow them outright in more zones.

2:45:45The project began in April and May with general informational meetings with stakeholders and advisory committees and commissions.

2:45:52We typically begin our projects with a public discussion draft phase to test our proposals and seek feedback for improvement.

2:45:59However, given the impending January 1st deadline for compliance, that more comprehensive engagement was not possible.

2:46:06Consequently, the project the project scope was limited to items necessary to comply with state law, and a proposed draft of those changes was published in May.

2:46:14The Planning Commission held their public hearing on June 23rd and voted to recommend council adopt these changes.

2:46:24This project contains 13 proposals separated into 3 categories.

2:46:29The first category addresses middle housing development regulations.

2:46:32In general, these changes increase flexibility for middle housing development.

2:46:36For example, by allowing any configuration of attached or detached units, removing lot size requirements that are any different than a house, and expanding where cottage clusters are allowed.

2:46:47Offering bonuses for affordable units and accessible units, and making it easier to incorporate existing accessory dwelling units and duplexes into mid-housing developments.

2:47:00The second category of changes affects the procedures used to review and approve proposed development.

2:47:05These changes allow more flexibility for the timing of middle housing land divisions and offer a consolidated process.

2:47:11Other changes limit notification areas to neighboring properties within 100 feet of a project site and remove the city's ability to notify for existing— or I'm sorry, expedited land divisions, including middle housing land divisions, as well as any application reviewed using clear and objective standards like an environmental plan check.

2:47:30These changes are in order to reduce potential barriers or procedural slowdowns for residential development.

2:47:35In addition, applications for zone changes and planned developments will no longer have a public hearing unless the case is appealed.

2:47:44The final category of changes affects permissible uses.

2:47:48These changes will allow residential treatment facilities, for example, mental health treatment for 6 or more clients, in single dwelling and industrial zones without the need for a conditional use review.

2:47:58And the other change makes it easier to replace nonconforming dwellings in the cases where they are destroyed by natural causes like flood or fire.

2:48:11Erica Thompson from the Planning Commission is here and will provide their remarks in just a moment.

2:48:17Uh, the commission unanimously recommended the council adopt the project and report and code amendments As shown in the recommended draft.

2:48:23Hello.

2:48:26And just a little administrative detail before we finish up.

2:48:29The supplemental record materials can be found here at this link.

2:48:34So unless there are any immediately— immediate clarifying questions, here's Commissioner Thompson to share the Planning Commission's remarks.

2:48:41Thank you.

Erica Thompson 2:48:44 - 2:51:18

2:48:44Should I go ahead and get started?

2:48:45Okay, great.

2:48:46Well, good afternoon, councilors.

2:48:48My name is My name is Erica Thompson.

2:48:50I'm a member of the Portland Planning Commission.

2:48:54I'm an architect at Hinneberry Eddy Architects here in Portland.

2:48:58I'm a resident of District 3, and today I am pleased to represent the Planning Commission for the State Land Use Compliance Project that's before you.

2:49:09We, on June 23rd, 2026, did vote unanimously to recommend that you adopt the project report and the proposed Title 33 amendments.

2:49:23This really is, in essence, a simple compliance project in that the proposed changes are required by the state, but by adopting them into city code, we will promote regulatory clarity and consistency for developers and applicants.

2:49:43The Planning Commission also agrees with staff and testifiers that the amendments will create a positive benefit for middle housing development, providing more flexibility and fewer barriers.

2:49:57We heard from 4 individuals who provided a total of 5 pieces of testimony.

2:50:03Testimony was supportive of the project.

2:50:06It offered suggestions for ways to go further.

2:50:09In fine-tuning the definitions and requirements for cottage clusters.

2:50:14But ultimately, the commission felt that these recommendations to go further would best be deferred to a future project once the upcoming state rulemaking is complete and we can explore middle housing improvements more holistically.

2:50:32We also received testimony asking the city to do more.

2:50:36Yes.

2:50:36To provide education and awareness of development strategies that promote accessibility and aging in place.

2:50:44This is something we identified in our transmittal letter, and I wanted to highlight that there's a $500,000 fund through Oregon Housing and Community Services to support developers, service providers, and local governments in creating that education and awareness.

2:51:02Thank you.

2:51:02So while that's not directly related to the provisions of Title 33, we think it's a great resource and wanted to draw attention to it as something that could encourage adoption of our housing accessibility bonuses.

2:51:18So thank you.

Candace Avalos 2:51:22 - 2:51:32

2:51:22Thank you very much for your presentation.

2:51:25And so we— I think we have some testimony, so why don't we take testimony, and then we can bring you back up if we have committee questions.

Queesha Light 2:51:32 - 2:51:33

2:51:32Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:51:35 - 2:52:10

2:51:35We have 3 individuals signed up.

2:51:37First is Mary Wacker.

2:51:45Once more for Mary Wacker.

2:51:51All right, next is Kevin Balk.

2:51:58Once more for Kevin.

2:52:04Next up is Sarah Radlett.

2:52:07Sarah is going to join us online in a few seconds.

Sarah Radlett 2:52:17 - 2:52:18

2:52:17Good afternoon.

2:52:18Can you hear me okay?

Steve Novick 2:52:20 - 2:52:20

2:52:20We can hear you.

Candace Avalos 2:52:20 - 2:52:23

2:52:20Go ahead.

2:52:21Great.

2:52:22My name is Sarah Rattley.

Sarah Radlett 2:52:23 - 2:55:34

2:52:23I'm a land use planner in private practice since 2015, and prior to that, I worked for the City of Portland in current planning for 14 years.

2:52:32So I have a lot of experience in implementing the zoning code.

2:52:37And today I'm here to talk about specifically about the middle housing provisions that are in this, in this proposal to conform with the state rules.

2:52:47And as noted, um, there's a lot of great stuff in there.

2:52:51There's a lot of stuff in there that will encourage development, will encourage infill housing, will encourage small developments, small houses, um, those kinds of things.

2:53:00So super, super exciting to look for those streamlined, um, changes.

2:53:05Um, there are a couple things that I think would make it be more effective.

2:53:11One is that specifically about cottage cluster developments, which are multiple detached homes.

2:53:17On lots, it's a newer in the last several years kind of middle housing piece.

2:53:23One of the changes that's being proposed with this project is to increase the minimum size of a common area from 450 square feet to 750 square feet.

2:53:34And the reason that that is impactful is that you have kind of a couple different regulations directing the amount of common area.

2:53:42One is.

2:53:43Typically 200 square feet per unit.

2:53:46So if you have 6 units on one, say, 10,000 square foot lot, that's 1,200 square feet of common area required.

2:53:54Under the new rules, you would have one common area that has to be at least 750 square feet, which gets you, you know, 3/4 of the way through your minimum.

2:54:04And then you need 350 square feet more.

2:54:06But if you can't fit that in that one contiguous common area, then now you need another common area, which is typically fine, but that second common area also has to be 750 square feet instead of what is current, the current rules, which are 450 square feet.

2:54:23So, the result is potentially, when, especially when you're working around an existing house and your site is constrained in some way, that you're not going to be able to necessarily have one common area, and you're going to end up with multiple common areas.

2:54:38And the problem with that is that that then either means fewer units or smaller units for this kind of excess extra common area.

2:54:48So I would propose that if, if the intention is to increase the minimum common area to 750 square feet, have that be for one common area, and then any additional common areas could be 450 square feet in area.

2:55:02Thank you.

2:55:03Councilmember Herbold?

2:55:04It's a, it's a simple code fix consistent with, um, what's been happening in the past.

2:55:10And then really quick, because I'm almost out of time, my second, um, comment has to do with parking and how parking will be differently regulated for a fourplex of attached units or 4 units of detached or mixed.

2:55:23So there's 2 different code sections that would regulate those, and it will be confusing for applicants and everyone to Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:55:39 - 2:55:49

2:55:39Councilor, would you be willing to let the testifier explain that second point even though their time is up, since we don't have anyone else signed up to testify?

2:55:48That's fine.

2:55:49Thank you.

Sarah Radlett 2:55:51 - 2:57:57

2:55:51Um, great.

2:55:52Thank you so much.

2:55:53Um, so currently the rules For parking, there's, there's kind of, there's 2 sections of rules for parking.

2:56:00One is for houses, duplexes, triplexes, and fourplexes, and that's one set of rules.

2:56:05And then, and that, so that's the driveway.

2:56:07So maybe you have like a cottage cluster project where you drive onto the site with a shared driveway, and then everybody has their garage or a common parking area or something like that.

2:56:15That's, that's kind of the scenario that we're talking about.

2:56:18Um, and then you have another section of code that's all other development.

2:56:23Okay.

2:56:23Right.

2:56:23And that all other development, as staff would probably speak to, hasn't really been looked at in depth for middle housing and cottage clusters and such.

2:56:32But it's going to get kind of even worse now, because if you have a fourplex that is attached units, 4 units attached, you fall under the first code.

2:56:42But if you have 4 units that are maybe 2 of them attached and then a space and then 2 of them attached, now you fall under the other code.

2:56:49Right.

2:56:50So they're almost identical developments, but they have very, very different parking regulations.

2:56:56So I would propose that the codes be labeled 1 to 4 units is the first section, and the second section is 5 and above units.

2:57:06And it would fall in line with how the code is implemented currently, so it wouldn't be a big change for any of the implementation, and it would clarify you know, it's just going to be weird if, if we're explaining to people like, well, if you attach your units to each other all, then you follow these regulations for your driveway.

2:57:26But if you want a break in that attachment, now you have to follow these different regulations.

2:57:30And, and people are just going to be like, that doesn't make any sense.

2:57:33So that's— those are my 2 top, uh, kind of requests for change that I think are simple enough to be tweaked in the code without okay, thank you for the additional comments, Sarah.

Candace Avalos 2:57:57 - 2:58:01

2:57:57We appreciate your time.

2:57:59Thank you.

2:58:00Uh, let's get into it.

Sarah Wallach 2:58:01 - 2:58:02

2:58:01Councilor—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:58:02 - 2:58:03

2:58:02Vice Chair Green.

Mitch Green 2:58:04 - 2:58:25

2:58:04Thank you, Chair Avalos, and I've got my eye on the clock here.

2:58:06Um, I just wanted to ask, uh, really quickly, Whether that last testifier's suggestions are things that the Planning Bureau could, could think through and accommodate before we were to bring this to the City Council, is that a thing that we could contemplate?

Morgan Tracy 2:58:25 - 3:00:01

2:58:25We, uh, we appreciate the, the input, uh, and suggestions that Mr. Adelaide has provided in the past.

2:58:32As I explained earlier, we were faced with a dilemma.

2:58:35We could either take the time and think thank you.

2:58:37I think we need to think more holistically about our middle housing development standards or address the state mandates before this January 1st compliance deadline.

2:58:47The change to the open space requirement, not too difficult to accommodate if we just don't make the amendment that's proposed, just keep it at 450 square foot as it stands today.

2:58:58That's an easy change.

2:59:00The parking gets a little more complicated.

2:59:02The parking standards were developed with the notion of a single structure, a single primary structure, and where you put your driveways and garages around that.

2:59:12When you move into what's called multi-dwelling development, when you start separating those units up, there's a number of different types of kind of considerations that need to be thought through and addressed.

2:59:25And it's not a— as you can imagine, when we talk about parking, it's not always a simple kind of there are lots of impacts that we need to consider.

2:59:35So with that frame in mind, again, we think that the direction is right.

2:59:40We think that looking at more even standards for all types of middle housing is sensible, but we also think we need to take the time to make sure we do that right rather than just try to apply the standard that was designed for a different type of product onto, onto appreciate that.

Mitch Green 3:00:01 - 3:00:28

3:00:01Um, I would be curious to see what that first tweak could look like.

3:00:06I don't know that I, I want that little of common space, but, um, I'm curious to see what you guys can come up with.

3:00:12I understand you guys are also doing a lot of other work.

3:00:14So, um, my last question is then, if we were to sort of move this forward even as is and adopt this, meet the requirement, would we be able to tweak this down the road?

Morgan Tracy 3:00:28 - 3:01:13

3:00:28We are anticipating— we actually have a project queuing up to look at facilitating middle housing development and a number of other tricks up our sleeve in terms of how we address development in the currently labeled single dwelling zones and thinking about those standards and making them work more effectively both across single dwelling and multi-dwelling zones.

3:00:52So as developers are looking at sites, they are not forced with the sorts of dilemmas that Ms. Radley raised, which is you have this kind of standard in this zone and a different standard in this zone, same product, same look at the end, but you have to sort of jump through different hurdles.

3:01:07So part of our objective with that other project is to look again more holistically at all those requirements together.

Mitch Green 3:01:14 - 3:01:16

3:01:14I appreciate that.

3:01:15Thank you.

3:01:15I'm prepared to move this today.

Candace Avalos 3:01:19 - 3:01:20

3:01:19Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:01:20 - 3:02:31

3:01:20Thank you, Chair.

3:01:22Um, it makes sense to me that the parking needs a, a deeper look.

3:01:27There's a lot that we touch with different parking requirements in the city.

3:01:31The first comment that the testifier brought up about having a requirement for 750 square feet of common space, but the additional common space areas around a property could be smaller, still keeping that 450 minimum so that they're not— so that they're usable, but so that we don't encroach on the space needed for housing.

3:01:58Makes a lot of sense to me.

3:02:00I understand that the intent with what we have before us is to just move forward what is required by state law.

3:02:07I'm happy to move forward with what we have but I wanted to raise that because it sounded like you were suggesting we could move back to the 450 minimum, and I would hope that we don't do that.

3:02:17I would hope that we keep the 750 minimum for a larger common space area, but consider having some smaller minimum for secondary common spaces where there are multiple common spaces within the same developed area.

Morgan Tracy 3:02:32 - 3:03:05

3:02:32Appreciate the clarification.

3:02:35The direction.

3:02:35I think the dilemma that we're facing with that, reverting to the standard that's in place today is basically that we would just give direction to omit that amendment from the package.

3:02:47So basically not change the standard.

3:02:50If we're talking about creating a sort of bifurcated standard where you have an initial 750 square feet followed up by something that's smaller, we'd have to kind of craft what that language looks like.

3:03:02Which I'm not really prepared to do on the stand.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:03:06 - 3:03:29

3:03:06I would be comfortable with that being part of future work that you're doing and not addressing that today and moving this forward.

3:03:12I think that the testifier raised some very legitimate points.

3:03:16I just don't want us to overcorrect in the other direction by moving back to having only those smaller common spaces in our multi-building developments.

3:03:27Understand.

3:03:28Thank you very much.

Candace Avalos 3:03:31 - 3:03:43

3:03:31All right, seeing as there's no one else in the queue, last call.

3:03:36Then I would like to entertain a motion to move ordinance document number 2026-345 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

Mitch Green 3:03:45 - 3:03:45

3:03:45So moved.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:03:46 - 3:03:47

3:03:46Second.

Candace Avalos 3:03:47 - 3:03:52

3:03:47Moved by Vice Chair Green, seconded by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

3:03:51Uh, clerk, please call the roll.

Sarah Wallach 3:03:58 - 3:04:00

3:03:58Aye.

3:03:59Aye.

3:04:00Aye.

Unidentified speaker 3:04:00 - 3:04:05

3:04:00Novick, absent.

3:04:05Avalos?

Candace Avalos 3:04:05 - 3:04:05

3:04:05Aye.

Unidentified speaker 3:04:07 - 3:04:17

3:04:07With 4 ayes and 1 absent, the motion carries, and the ordinance document number 2026-345 moves to the full council with the recommendation it be passed.

Candace Avalos 3:04:17 - 3:04:43

3:04:17And the State Land Use Compliance Project is continued to a full council meeting on October 14th at 9:45 AM, time certain.

3:04:27Thank you.

3:04:29Thank you.

3:04:30Uh, right, with that, um, like I said, next meeting will be, uh, the Climate and Health Standards Policy, and there will be public testimony and committee discussion.

3:04:39For now, I will adjourn the Housing and Permitting Committee meeting at 4:58 PM.