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Jamie Dunphy 3:12 - 5:11

3:12Good evening.

3:13Before we begin our meeting of the Portland City Council, we have a pre-gavel celebration for the Lincoln High School Constitution.

3:21Councilor Zimmerman, turning it over to you.

3:23All right, thank you, Council President.

3:30While I'm speaking, I'm going to uh, invite the Lincoln High School, uh, Constitution team up to the, uh, the front table here if you'd like to come.

3:40I know Ian will lead the way.

3:42But colleagues, uh, I'd like to use this time to honor Lincoln High School's 2025 Constitution team who won the state— the championship in Oregon and then the national championship in Washington, DC.

3:56They were the 7th team from Lincoln to win the national championship of this prestigious We the People, the Citizen and Constitution Competition, and the 12th team their year was marked by some controversy and some confusion, though, with a miscount in scoring demoting them from 1st to 3rd while they were in Washington, D.C., with Salem's Sprague High School initially being given 1st place.

4:20But when Councilor Green and Councilor Clark and I visited them a few days after the corrections were made and it was announced that they were actually 1st in the nation, and of course were quite ecstatic.

4:30Thank you.

4:31Already we're seeing the alumni of the 2025 team making a real difference in our community.

4:36They're running legal research projects, teaching classes to immigrants to pass their citizenship exam, serving on neighborhood association boards, running voter registration drives, founding civic dialogue-minded exchange programs, writing children's books, and being selected for Portland's Rose Queen, and even interning here at City Hall.

4:57Some of you may have seen the man in the center there.

5:00This team was also the last one to head to Washington, D.C. with the late and great Stephen Griffith, who served as a coach on the team since 2001 and dedicated his life to youth civic education.

Keelan McClymont 5:12 - 5:12

5:12And was his—.

Jamie Dunphy 5:13 - 6:19

5:13And this was his 4th time winning the national championship.

5:16The more than 12 coaches, many of all of whom worked full-time at the city's most prestigious law firms, graciously give their time to help the team's students become highly proficient in civic and legal matters.

5:29Programs like the Constitution Team which exist in schools across the state and in all 4 of Portland's districts, are vital in advancing the importance of civic engagement in an increasingly polarized world.

5:42As you prepare to move on to the next phase of your lives, I have no doubt that this program will be massively influential in how you think and act and vote.

5:53Hopefully some of you will come back and be the next generation of councilors, mayors, and administrators here in Portland.

5:58I want to congratulate the Lincoln High Constitution Team and before our esteemed last-day employee Ian reads the proclamation, I do want to turn it to Council President if any other councilors wanted to make remarks.

6:11Colleagues, if anybody wants to make any remarks, feel free to jump in the queue.

6:14Otherwise, we're going to turn it over to these amazing, talented folks.

6:18But Councilor Clark.

Keelan McClymont 6:19 - 6:20

6:19Just hugely proud of you guys.

Olivia Clark 6:20 - 6:23

6:20It was so much fun to come to Lincoln and meet you last year.

Keelan McClymont 6:23 - 6:25

6:23Really enjoyed it.

6:24And congratulations.

Jamie Dunphy 6:26 - 6:27

6:26Councilor Morillo.

Angelita Morillo 6:29 - 6:32

6:29As a fellow Constitution team nerd, I obviously have to say congratulations.

Keelan McClymont 6:32 - 6:34

6:32How exciting for all of you.

Angelita Morillo 6:34 - 6:40

6:34Very curious if you got to meet anyone cool or exciting when you were in DC, in Washington.

Keelan McClymont 6:41 - 6:41

6:41Did you?

Jamie Dunphy 6:42 - 6:45

6:42Yeah, we got to meet Suzanne Bonamici, who's our representative.

Keelan McClymont 6:46 - 6:46

6:46Very cool.

Angelita Morillo 6:46 - 7:08

6:46When I was in DC, we got to meet Ruth Bader Ginsburg for the last time, and it was very, very exciting for our team.

6:53So I think that there is really nothing more important right now than being able to study the Constitution and our laws because we're at a time where free speech is being attacked, activism is being attacked, and we have a federal government that is really not supporting people of different viewpoints.

Keelan McClymont 7:09 - 7:18

7:09So the fact that we have young people who are studying that, who know how to fight that and are armed with knowledge, I think is really important.

7:14So thank you so much for studying and for doing that.

7:17Can't wait for you guys to lead.

Jamie Dunphy 7:18 - 10:15

7:18Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

7:19Councilor Green.

7:21Yeah, thank you so much for being great representatives of District 4.

7:26You guys are very smart and you should go challenge all of us for our seats.

7:30Thanks.

7:31All right, with that, uh, I just want to introduce Ian Conner Reyes, who was an intern in my office during the spring and summer.

7:39As Ian's internship has just concluded, uh, we wanted to celebrate him and his teammates with this pre-gavel and this proclamation.

7:47The mayor has also joined in in this celebration by providing the proclamation for Ian and his teammates, and I've invited them to, to read that tonight.

7:54So, uh, he's been involved in everything since he started with us.

7:57His hands have been in every project and everything we've done, and it's been a great privilege to have him here, and I look greatly forward to wherever you are next.

8:05So with that, Ian, why don't you take it away?

8:07It's been a great privilege to be here.

8:09I'll say before I start, whereas the Lincoln High School 2025 Constitution team demonstrated extraordinary dedication to civic education by winning both the Oregon State Championship and the We the People: The Citizen and the Constitution National Championship, and whereas the team became the 7th Lincoln High School team and the 12th team from Portland to win the national championship, reflecting Portland's longstanding commitment to civic education and youth leadership.

8:34And whereas the students demonstrated remarkable perseverance through a national competition that included an initial scoring error before the results were corrected and Lincoln was rightfully recognized as national champion.

8:45And whereas the team was the final Lincoln Constitution team coached by the late Stephen Griffith, a dedicated champion of youth civic engagement who coached the team for more than 2 decades and helped guide 4 national championship teams.

8:57Aye.

8:57And whereas, the success of the Constitution Team reflects the extraordinary dedication of its students, educators, coaches, families, and community supporters who work together to prepare young people to understand and participate meaningfully in our democracy.

9:11And whereas, the accomplishments of the Constitution Team alumni demonstrate the lasting impact of civic education, going on to serve their communities through public service, education, neighborhood leadership, voter engagement, and civic advocacy.

9:23And whereas, Portland recognizes that an informed, engaged, and civically minded young generation is essential to the strength of our democracy and the future of our city.

9:32Now, therefore, I, Keith Wilson, Mayor of the City of Portland, Oregon, the City of Roses, do hereby honor the Lincoln High School 2025 Constitution Team for their outstanding achievement as Oregon state and national champions, celebrate their commitment to civic engagement, and recognize the students, coaches, educators, and community members who made their success possible.

9:51Aye.

9:53Colleagues, with unanimous consent, I'd like to suspend the rules and give our folks a round of applause.

10:04Congratulations.

10:07Thank you very much.

10:07Thank you so much.

10:09Okay, and you can go.

10:15Keelan, can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 10:17 - 10:18

10:17Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 10:18 - 10:18

10:18Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:19 - 10:19

10:19Morillo?

Angelita Morillo 10:20 - 10:20

10:20Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:21 - 10:21

10:21Novick?

Steve Novick 10:21 - 10:22

10:21Here.

Jamie Dunphy 10:22 - 10:22

10:22Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:22 - 10:23

10:22Green?

Mitch Green 10:23 - 10:23

10:23Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:24 - 10:24

10:24Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 10:25 - 10:25

10:25Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:25 - 10:25

10:25Avalos?

Candace Avalos 10:27 - 10:28

10:27Present.

Keelan McClymont 10:28 - 10:29

10:28Smith?

Jamie Dunphy 10:29 - 10:30

10:29Mm-mm.

Keelan McClymont 10:30 - 10:31

10:30Kanal?

Sameer Kanal 10:31 - 10:31

10:31Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:33 - 10:34

10:33Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 10:34 - 10:34

10:34Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:34 - 10:35

10:34Ryan?

Dan Ryan 10:35 - 10:35

10:35Here.

Keelan McClymont 10:36 - 10:36

10:36Benfi?

Jamie Dunphy 10:36 - 10:39

10:36Here.

10:37And can we please read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

Keelan McClymont 10:41 - 11:46

10:41Good evening.

10:41Welcome to the Portland City Council.

10:44To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

10:54Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

10:58Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

11:02Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

11:05The presiding officer preserves order.

11:08Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, Or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

11:17If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

11:20Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

11:23Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

11:27Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

11:32Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

11:34When testifying, state your name for the record.

11:36Your address is not necessary.

11:38If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

11:42Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

11:46Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 11:46 - 12:10

11:46Thank you very much, colleagues.

11:47Our first item, as with every week, is the approval of the agenda.

11:51We have a rather large agenda, and I'm hoping we can get through all of it today.

11:55Are there any, uh, uh, do I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

12:02Is there any effort?

12:04All right, great.

12:05The agenda is approved.

12:09Keelan, could we please move to public communications?

Karen Hogue 12:14 - 12:59

12:14First up, we have Karen Hogue.

12:21Good evening, councilors.

12:23My name is Karen Hogue, and I live across the street from 855 Northeast Church Street in District 2.

12:30Last week, this house was given a 3-month foreclosure extension due to advocacy by a D1 councilor.

12:37While a lot of detail was presented about the circumstances of the owner, there was a dire lack of info about the history of this property and its effect on the community.

12:46She has had city liens against the property for 17 years.

12:52She has had chance after chance to take care of her property and has not.

12:56I was stunned that a foreclosure extension was granted to her.

Jamie Dunphy 12:59 - 12:59

12:59Thank you.

Karen Hogue 12:59 - 15:35

12:59Based on personal matters.

13:01I wonder how many other owners on the list would like that same courtesy.

13:06I appreciate that my councilors Kanal and Pirtle-Guiney raised concerns, but they and the council did not get the full story, including the 4 written neighbor testimonies submitted for the meeting.

13:18Kevin Foster did not present a report from the clearout that happened this summer or go into detail about neighbor complaints.

13:25While Mike Massett was helpful to the neighborhood, he also did not provide you with documentation of the testimony neighbors gave that initiated the ordinance violations.

13:36You were not told about the foreclosure action in 2024 and why it was pulled back.

13:43You were not told that the guy enlisted to fix the house, a supposed contractor, did not repair it.

13:49Instead, he tore off the roof and put plastic on, scraped the wood siding and left it bare, and cooked food on the porch.

13:57You are not informed that this person was removed by the city, not the owner, from the property along with a dead cat, a dead dog in a tote, and the hoard in the house and yard.

14:10There was and is an animal feces infestation in the yard that attracts rats and flies.

14:17It was also in the house when a police officer went in and rushed out throwing up.

14:24You were also not told what the neighbors have endured or what they encounter now because of this derelict property.

14:30What I saw was an incomplete report of the past situation and no report of what's going on now in our neighborhood.

14:37I am gravely disappointed that my neighbors and I did not have the advocacy that the owner had.

14:43For us, these problems are not on pause for 3 months.

14:47We still live with rats and flies, roof plastic spilling everywhere, ongoing safety and hypervigilance issues because of partying, break-in attempts, and camping on the property by people with serious weapons.

15:02When is it our time to be noticed and respected?

15:06I encourage the councilor to get reports from Kevin and Mike and evaluate the entire foreclosure process.

15:13So that it's fair to all parties.

15:15Also, drive by this once beautiful turn-of-the-century home that was driven to the ground and is probably not habitable.

15:22I have loved this house, viewing it from my porch, but sadly it will most likely disappear due to years of neglect by the owner and by the city that refused to take right action.

15:34Thank you so much.

Jamie Dunphy 15:36 - 15:38

15:36Thank you, thank you very much for being here tonight.

Karen Hogue 15:39 - 15:41

15:39Uh, next up we have Rachel Jamison.

Jamie Dunphy 15:45 - 15:46

15:45Good evening.

Karen Hogue 15:47 - 15:47

15:47Welcome.

Jamie Dunphy 15:48 - 15:49

15:48Make sure and introduce yourself to the record.

Karen Hogue 15:50 - 15:55

15:50Rachel Jamison.

15:51Go ahead.

15:53Good evening, CA Lee and council staff.

Rachel Jamison 15:55 - 17:35

15:55My name is Rachel Jamison.

15:57I'm a lifelong everyday Portlander.

15:59I grew up in District 2, currently live in District 1.

16:02I've spent the last 9 years as a public servant with the Water Bureau and nearly 3 years on the CPPW bargaining team.

16:09I'm here to speak frankly about the stalled contract negotiations affecting our public employees and the potential consequences of these delays.

16:17Right now, employees are being treated as though our contributions are expendable.

16:21We are unseen, unappreciated, and consistently denied the same benefits already offered to other unions across the city.

16:28The city's bargaining team has made little movement, and the inequity is unmistakable.

16:33They are signaling that this workforce, despite being absolutely essential, is somehow less deserving.

16:38Councilwoman, I'm sorry, I have to interrupt you.

16:39And that is unacceptable.

16:41If these employees are forced into a strike due to these delayed negotiations, the public will face serious immediate consequences.

16:48I'd like to highlight some of this work that is being taken for granted.

16:52Analysts who help manage violence prevention efforts in gun violence hotspots will not be there to coordinate interventions and keep communities safe.

17:01Recreation programs that families rely on, including programs that keep youth engaged and supported, will be suspended.

17:07Bilingual staff who communicate with residents about the safety of their drinking water will be unavailable, leaving many families without crucial, understandable information about public health.

17:17Coordinators who monitor, plan, and track the systems that keep wastewater out of our homes and rivers will no longer be preventing those dangerous overflows.

17:26Affordable housing contract staff who are working in the middle of a housing crisis will be unable to move critical projects forward, impacting your constituents who need stable homes right now.

Jamie Dunphy 17:35 - 17:36

17:35Councilmember Herbold.

Rachel Jamison 17:37 - 18:31

17:37The mapping and planning of roadwork repairs and safety improvements will stall, delaying fixes to hazards residents encounter every single day.

17:45Advocates who support victims of violent crimes will be unavailable when community members need them and their assistance the most.

17:52And life-saving training programs that ensure our infrastructure is safe and ensure our sibling union members are protected from workplace hazards will halt.

18:01These programs are not optional.

18:03They prevent injuries, protect workers, and safeguard the public.

18:06A strike would not simply be disruptive.

18:09It would undermine the systems this city relies on for public safety, stability, and basic daily functioning.

18:14So City Council, you have a meaningful role to play here.

18:17You can urge the administration to change course, to stop delaying, and to bring these negotiations to a fair and timely close.

18:25These employees deserve parity, respect, and a contract that reflects the vital work we perform for every resident of this city.

Jamie Dunphy 18:31 - 18:32

18:31Thank you.

Rachel Jamison 18:32 - 18:34

18:32Thank you for your time, and I strongly urge you to act.

Jamie Dunphy 18:35 - 18:36

18:35Thank you very much for being here.

Rachel Jamison 18:37 - 18:39

18:37Next up, we have David Sherman.

Jamie Dunphy 18:43 - 18:50

18:43Welcome.

18:45Feel free to introduce yourself for the record.

18:48You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

David Sherman 18:50 - 18:51

18:50Hi, my name is David Sherman.

Jamie Dunphy 18:52 - 18:53

18:52Good evening, councilors.

David Sherman 18:53 - 19:03

18:53I'm here to talk about the property at 855 North Church which is council voted last week to extend 3 months a decision on foreclosure.

Jamie Dunphy 19:04 - 19:27

19:04And I'd like to talk to you about the ramifications of that vote.

19:09I watched the meeting, and what struck me was that there was no consideration and no hearing from the neighbors that wrote in with their concerns.

19:19And instead, the discussion focused on the absent owner and her concerns.

19:23And she's hospitalized, which I have legitimate sympathy for that.

19:27Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 19:27 - 19:30

19:27But the problems at the property are not new.

Jamie Dunphy 19:30 - 19:48

19:30My wife and I moved in 6 and a half years ago, and in that entire time, the property has been either vacant, occupied by squatters, and it has been deteriorating continuously the whole time.

19:43The key point I'd like to make is that I think the neighbors deserve to be heard as well.

David Sherman 19:49 - 20:04

19:49The things that are, are going on, which Karen also uh, spoke to are a concern with safety, where the house is a magnet for people that are squatters that come to drink and to smoke and to engage in activity.

Jamie Dunphy 20:05 - 20:43

20:05And any neighbor that walks by this house at night or during the day will feel considerable unease.

20:11It just doesn't feel safe.

20:13The, the, uh, the second problem is one of health, in that there are rats on the property and the rats spread throughout the neighborhood.

20:23And there are a surprising and impressive number of flies on the property that spread throughout the neighborhood.

20:30And the third problem is one of plastic litter.

20:33When the roof was removed, which you heard earlier, 2 years ago, the, the, a temporary tarp was put down made of woven polyethylene.

Keelan McClymont 20:43 - 20:54

20:43And polyethylene, that, that material is made of thousands and thousands of spaghetti-like ribbons.

20:49Thank you.

20:49And the tarp has disintegrated with the lack of the roof not being put on.

Ocean Hasso 20:54 - 21:14

20:54It's just, it's a permanent structure there now.

20:57And every day, fistfuls of hundreds of those ribbons spread throughout the neighborhood.

21:03They land in our lawns, they land in our gutters, they land all over the place, and it's litter.

21:11And so those are the ramifications for us, the neighbors, for 3 more months.

Jamie Dunphy 21:14 - 21:14

21:14Thank you.

Ocean Hasso 21:16 - 21:40

21:16I'm not sure if another vote is possible.

21:18If it is, I would ask you to consider that, and the neighbors that live here that are enduring this house ask you that.

21:26If a vote is not possible, I'd like you to consider that, that 3 months is a date on a calendar for you, but for the neighbors, it's 3 more months of reduced safety, of vermin, of health concerns, and of plastic litter.

Keelan McClymont 21:40 - 21:42

21:40Thank you.

21:42Thank you very much.

Ocean Hasso 21:43 - 21:44

21:43Thank you very much for being here.

Keelan McClymont 21:48 - 21:50

21:48Uh, next up we have Ocean Hasso.

Ocean Hasso 21:57 - 22:59

21:57Welcome.

22:03Go right ahead, jump on in.

22:05Councilors, for the record, my name is Ocean Hasso.

22:08I'm a member of the City of Portland Professional Workers Union bargaining team.

22:12Thank you for your time tonight.

22:15My faith as an Episcopalian requires me to strive to respect the dignity of every human being.

22:22This is in my church's baptismal covenant, and for me, I live out the requirement of my baptism by being on the CPPW bargaining team.

22:31I want to uplift the dignity of my colleagues and yet it feels like the city doesn't recognize our dignity.

22:43For 9 months, every other week, we've bargained in good faith.

22:46The city, however, consistently shows up empty-handed.

22:50The city says it's too broke for COLAs to keep pace with inflation and won't move us to the wage step system every other city union already has.

Jamie Dunphy 23:00 - 23:00

23:00Councilmember Herbold.

Ocean Hasso 23:01 - 23:54

23:01Yet the city can find money to pay executives to disappear, finding $1.3 million for severance packages just in the last year alone.

23:10It even found $120 million for a billionaire basketball team owner who made his fortune selling risky car notes.

23:19We're not asking for much.

23:20All we're asking for is what all other city unions have: clear and consistent wages and the basic respect of a city that shows up prepared to bargain.

23:31Yet the city and BHR drags us out showing up unprepared and offering pennies.

23:37This is disrespectful and wasteful.

23:40Mind you, each day of contract bargaining costs the taxpayer about $12,000.

23:46I don't want to be here tonight.

23:48I'd rather get to work and settle this contract.

23:50But it seems to me that the city would prefer labor problems over labor peace.

Jamie Dunphy 23:54 - 23:55

23:54Thank you.

Ocean Hasso 23:55 - 24:05

23:55Well, let me share with you what the Book of Hosea says about problems.

23:59For they sow the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind.

24:04Thank you.

24:05Thank you very much.

Rachel Whiteside 24:12 - 24:14

24:12Next up, we have Rachel Whiteside.

Ocean Hasso 24:19 - 24:19

24:19Welcome.

Rachel Whiteside 24:20 - 26:10

24:20Come on up.

24:25Members of council, thank you for your time tonight.

24:27My name is Rachel Whiteside, and I am here on behalf of the nearly 1,000 Pro-Tech 17 members who keep the city working, performing vital services in nearly every bureau that benefits the Portland community.

24:42Portland works because we do.

24:45We get the development permits issued, keep the water flowing, traffic moving, and the roses blooming.

24:51We support the city's IT, keeping keeping it secure and safe from outside attacks so that every city worker— police, fire, and yourselves— can do your jobs.

25:03We are there in moments of crisis— thank you, PSR members— and times of rejoicing.

25:09Portland works because we do.

25:13As you're aware, we have been in contract negotiations for nearly 18 months.

25:18You might not be aware that this is the first time our Portland chapter has ever failed to get a deal with the city during regular negotiations.

25:29We're talking about a 7-decade bargaining history.

25:34Ask yourself, what is really different in this moment?

25:39PROTEC 17 members are dedicated public servants who just want to be able to afford to live in the city they serve.

25:47Do you know that a food box was placed onto a floor of the Portland building so that coworkers could donate food for their, for their peers who don't have enough at the end of the pay period?

26:01To quote one of our members who signed our pledge to strike, no city worker should need to rely on food assistance.

Jamie Dunphy 26:10 - 26:11

26:10Thank you.

Rachel Whiteside 26:13 - 27:24

26:13The living wage in Multnomah County for one adult with one minor dependent is more than $1,000— sorry, more than $110,000 a year, and a thriving wage is more than $185,000 a year.

26:29Our members don't earn a thriving wage and need our cost of living increases tied to inflation just to maintain their current living standards.

26:39Our members see the ballooning positions created as part of the city's new governance structure, as well as the golden parachutes when these people move on after just a couple of years.

26:51Again, to quote a member, it is unacceptable to ask workers to take pay cuts while the leadership class thrives.

27:01Please, I urge you, bring us a fair proposal in mediation this Friday.

27:10Thank you very much.

27:21That completes communications.

Jamie Dunphy 27:24 - 28:59

27:24Thank you very much.

27:25Thank you everybody for coming down tonight.

27:27Uh, colleagues, our next item on the agenda, we're going to hear an update from the city administrator on a status of an ongoing response to the ongoing wildfires in Oregon.

27:34City Administrator Lee.

27:37Thank you, Council President.

27:39There are no new updates, uh, on the ICE facility litigation since our last time updating the council, but I do want to briefly flag our proud to be a sanctuary city, uh, pride campaign.

27:52This campaign invites businesses, faith communities, schools, and nonprofits across Portland to display posters affirming that we are proud to be a sanctuary city and that we will continue to and that everyone belongs here.

28:07The posters also include information about what to do if someone witnesses an ICE enforcement action.

28:16They're available in 8 languages: English, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Simplified Chinese, Arabic, and Somali.

28:25Printed posters are available at city community centers, Portland Building, and Welcome Week events while supplies last.

28:33And downloadable, uh, print-ready versions are available at portland.gov/sanctuary.

28:41We encourage community partners to participate and help us make that message of belonging visible throughout our city.

28:49Thank you.

28:50Thank you, City Administrator.

28:51Colleagues, any questions for the City Administrator?

28:55Great.

28:56Keelan, can we please call the consent agenda?

Keelan McClymont 29:00 - 29:04

29:00Uh, no items were pulled from the consent agenda.

29:02I'll call the roll.

29:04Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 29:07 - 29:07

29:07Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:08 - 29:08

29:08Morillo?

Angelita Morillo 29:09 - 29:09

29:09Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:10 - 29:10

29:10Novick?

Steve Novick 29:11 - 29:11

29:11Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:11 - 29:12

29:11Clark?

Olivia Clark 29:12 - 29:12

29:12Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:13 - 29:13

29:13Green?

Mitch Green 29:15 - 29:15

29:15Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:16 - 29:17

29:16Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 29:17 - 29:17

29:17Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:18 - 29:18

29:18Avalos?

Candace Avalos 29:18 - 29:18

29:18Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:20 - 29:20

29:20Smith?

Loretta Smith 29:20 - 29:21

29:20Absent.

Jamie Dunphy 29:21 - 29:21

29:21Aye.

29:21Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:22 - 29:23

29:22Ryan?

Dan Ryan 29:24 - 29:24

29:24Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:26 - 29:26

29:26Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 29:26 - 29:26

29:26Aye.

Keelan McClymont 29:27 - 29:31

29:27The consent agenda is approved with a vote of 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 29:32 - 29:41

29:32Thank you very much, colleagues.

29:32Next 7 items are second readings.

29:34We're gonna read them or call them individually and hope to get through them with some expedience.

29:40Can we please call item number 6?

Keelan McClymont 29:43 - 29:54

29:43Document 2026-306, create a new non-represented classification of Council Public Information Officer and establish a compensation range for this classification.

Jamie Dunphy 29:56 - 30:06

29:56Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

29:58Is there any further discussion?

30:03Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, would you please call the roll on item number 6?

Keelan McClymont 30:07 - 30:07

30:07Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 30:09 - 30:09

30:09Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:09 - 30:10

30:09Murillo?

Angelita Morillo 30:11 - 30:11

30:11Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:11 - 30:11

30:11Novick?

Steve Novick 30:12 - 30:13

30:12Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:13 - 30:13

30:13Clark?

Olivia Clark 30:14 - 30:14

30:14Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:14 - 30:14

30:14Green?

Mitch Green 30:15 - 30:16

30:15Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:16 - 30:17

30:16Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 30:17 - 30:17

30:17Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:18 - 30:18

30:18Avalos?

Candace Avalos 30:18 - 30:18

30:18Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:19 - 30:22

30:19Smith?

30:20Oh, sorry, absent.

30:21Kanal?

Sameer Kanal 30:22 - 30:22

30:22Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:23 - 30:24

30:23Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 30:24 - 30:24

30:24Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:25 - 30:25

30:25Ryan?

Dan Ryan 30:25 - 30:25

30:25Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:26 - 30:26

30:26Dunphy?

Jamie Dunphy 30:26 - 30:27

30:26Aye.

Keelan McClymont 30:27 - 30:30

30:27The ordinance passes with a vote of 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 30:30 - 30:32

30:30Thank you.

30:31Can we please call item number 7?

Keelan McClymont 30:33 - 30:45

30:33Document 2026-247, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 30:46 - 30:55

30:46Colleagues, at the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance, is there any further discussion?

30:53Seeing no one in the queue, could we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 30:58 - 30:58

30:58Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 30:59 - 30:59

30:59Aye.

Keelan McClymont 31:00 - 31:00

31:00Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 31:02 - 31:02

31:02Aye.

Keelan McClymont 31:03 - 31:03

31:03Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 31:03 - 31:03

31:03Aye.

Keelan McClymont 31:03 - 31:03

31:03Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 31:03 - 31:11

31:03Aye.

31:04Aye.

31:05Aye.

31:05Aye.

31:10Dunphy.

31:11Aye.

Keelan McClymont 31:12 - 31:15

31:12The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 31:16 - 31:18

31:16Thank you very much.

31:16Could we please move to item number 8?

Keelan McClymont 31:21 - 31:33

31:21Document 2026-248, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 within Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 31:34 - 31:35

31:34I think we just read that one.

Keelan McClymont 31:35 - 31:35

31:35Oh, did I?

Jamie Dunphy 31:36 - 31:55

31:362026-248.

31:40There's 2 275s.

31:41What?

31:42One is within.

31:43There's 2 of them on the same thing?

31:45Why do I not have that on my agenda?

31:46Okay, I'm wrong.

31:48I don't see them on my thing.

31:48Oh, I see.

31:49I'm— my, my script is wrong.

31:51I apologize, colleagues.

31:53Thank you, Keelan.

31:54You are always right.

Keelan McClymont 31:56 - 31:56

31:56No, I'm not.

Jamie Dunphy 31:56 - 32:05

31:56Colleagues, this is the 2nd reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

31:59Uh, is there any further discussion?

32:03Seeing none, Keelan, can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 32:08 - 32:08

32:08Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 32:10 - 32:10

32:10Aye.

Keelan McClymont 32:13 - 32:16

32:13Aye.

32:16Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 32:17 - 32:17

32:17Aye.

Keelan McClymont 32:18 - 32:18

32:18Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 32:20 - 32:23

32:20Aye.

32:21Aye.

32:22Aye.

32:22Aye.

32:23Aye.

Keelan McClymont 32:23 - 32:26

32:23The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 32:27 - 32:33

32:27Can you please read the next item?

32:30Item number 9 then.

32:32Yeah, item number 9.

32:33Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 32:33 - 32:43

32:33Item 9, document 2026-250, initiate foreclosure action on North Columbia Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 32:44 - 32:53

32:44This is also the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

32:46Is there any further discussion?

32:51Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, will you please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 32:54 - 32:54

32:54Koyama Lane.

Jamie Dunphy 32:56 - 32:58

32:56Aye.

32:57Murillo.

32:58Aye.

Keelan McClymont 32:58 - 32:58

32:58Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 33:00 - 33:00

33:00Aye.

Keelan McClymont 33:00 - 33:00

33:00Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 33:01 - 33:02

33:01Aye.

33:02Aye.

Keelan McClymont 33:03 - 33:03

33:03Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 33:04 - 33:04

33:04Aye.

Keelan McClymont 33:05 - 33:05

33:05Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 33:06 - 33:06

33:06Aye.

Keelan McClymont 33:06 - 33:13

33:06Uh, the ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 33:13 - 33:15

33:13And could we please read item number 10?

Keelan McClymont 33:16 - 33:27

33:16Document 2026-253, initiate foreclosure action on 7101 through 7103 Southeast Division Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 33:28 - 33:36

33:28Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

33:30Is there any further discussion of this item?

33:34Seeing no one in the queue, can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 33:38 - 33:38

33:38Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 33:39 - 33:51

33:39Aye.

33:40Aye.

33:41Aye.

33:41Aye.

33:43Aye.

33:44Aye.

33:44Aye.

33:45Aye.

33:49Ryan.

33:49Aye.

33:50Dunphy.

33:50Aye.

Keelan McClymont 33:51 - 33:54

33:51The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent vote.

Jamie Dunphy 33:54 - 33:56

33:54Thank you.

33:55And can we read item number 11?

Keelan McClymont 33:57 - 34:07

33:57Document 2026-260, initiate foreclosure action on 5706 Southeast Lambert Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 34:07 - 34:17

34:07Guess what?

34:08This is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance as well.

34:11Any further council discussion?

34:15Seeing no one in the queue, can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 34:20 - 34:20

34:20Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 34:20 - 34:21

34:20Aye.

34:21Aye.

Keelan McClymont 34:22 - 34:22

34:22Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 34:23 - 34:24

34:23Aye.

34:24Aye.

Keelan McClymont 34:24 - 34:35

34:24The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 34:35 - 34:42

34:35Thank you.

34:35And can we— is it item 12 now?

34:41Yeah, item 12.

34:42Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 34:43 - 34:58

34:43Document 2026-256, initiate foreclosure action on 2734 through 2730— oh wait, did I just— nope, northeast— 2738 Northeast Alberta Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Jamie Dunphy 35:00 - 35:10

35:00Yet again, second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

35:02Is there any further discussion?

35:07Seeing no one in the queue, can we please call the roll on item number 12?

Keelan McClymont 35:13 - 35:13

35:13Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 35:14 - 35:14

35:14Aye.

Keelan McClymont 35:15 - 35:15

35:15Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 35:17 - 35:18

35:17Aye.

35:18Aye.

Keelan McClymont 35:19 - 35:29

35:19Aye.

35:20The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 35:29 - 35:38

35:29I would like to thank everybody at home for what affectionately has been called a pirate party.

35:33Aye.

35:34That was a lot of it.

35:37Please call item number 13.

Keelan McClymont 35:39 - 35:52

35:39Document 2026-263, consent to franchise transfer from Zenith Energy Terminals Holdings LLC to ISQ Springer Holdings LLC, amend Ordinance 188554.

Jamie Dunphy 35:52 - 36:03

35:52Okay, colleagues, this is also the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

35:56Is there further council discussion?

36:02Councilor Morillo.

Angelita Morillo 36:04 - 36:06

36:04Um, thank you, Council President.

Keelan McClymont 36:06 - 36:54

36:06I just want to, um, say that I will not be able to support the franchise transfer this evening because we did not approve some of the amendments that I feel would have made the transfer much more palatable to me and to the many advocates who have fought for decades to make sure that there is accountability for oil trains in this city.

36:27We were trying to add accountability measures so that if the city fails to hold this oil company accountable, the public has recourse that is very common within environmental law, and we did not get a 7th vote for that.

36:40And so because of that, this is moving forward as is, and I, I can't really in good conscience support this.

36:47I think that this was a very common sense measure to make improvements, and this council was unwilling to make those changes.

Angelita Morillo 36:54 - 37:02

36:54So because of that, I'm going to be a no vote, but I just wanted to reiterate thank you, Councilor Murillo.

Jamie Dunphy 37:02 - 39:27

37:02Councilor Green.

37:04Thank you, Council President.

37:06Like Councilor Murillo, I won't be able to support this ordinance at this time.

37:11Council has the right to place conditions on franchise agreements that it deems reasonable.

37:17That's in the language of those franchises.

37:20I think it was always reasonable to have public process to hear from the community, to have public comment, to have public testimony.

37:25To gather ideas from the community and talk about ways to build trust together as a community with, uh, with a fossil fuel company, uh, which has a long history of, of broken promises in this town.

37:36Um, I think we missed an opportunity there.

37:38So at this time, I can't, I can't sign my name on this.

37:41Thanks.

37:41Thank you, Councilor Green.

37:49Councilor Kanal.

37:50Yeah, um, I first, I just want to say thanks to the staff that have been working on this, um, throughout.

37:56I, I, I understand that like when people vote yes or no, often it can feel like a reflection of the work that you've done, and I don't want it to feel that way when I join at least 2 of my colleagues in voting no on this.

38:07Um, but I, I just wanted to, to mention that.

38:10I also, I imagine this will pass and hopefully we'll be able to continue, um, the conversation with, um, the new ownership after that takes over and, and try to help work on that trust going forward.

38:22Because right now, because of the previous owner, it's not there.

38:26And, um, that's not what this vote's about for me.

38:28That this vote is about the, the specific qualifications and how there wasn't a clear, um, sort of criterion and rubric for that.

38:39And I didn't find that the information that I'd requested, which I was led to believe existed, actually existed sufficient to meet the criteria that, that, um, would have allowed us to be confident in the technical, legal, and financial qualifications of the, um, I guess the recipient of the, the franchise transfer.

38:58So that's why I'm going to be voting no.

38:59But I, I wanted to, um, sort of express some optimism going forward because even though I am voting no, I, I imagine this will pass, um, and see that we can, can continue these conversations to try and build that trust going forward and see that there's change in this terminal.

39:16Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

39:22Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 39:28 - 39:33

39:28Calling the roll on 2026-263.

39:32Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 39:33 - 39:33

39:33No.

Keelan McClymont 39:34 - 39:35

39:34Murillo?

Angelita Morillo 39:35 - 39:36

39:35No.

39:36Aye.

Keelan McClymont 39:36 - 39:37

39:36Clark?

Olivia Clark 39:37 - 39:37

39:37Aye.

Keelan McClymont 39:38 - 39:38

39:38Green?

Mitch Green 39:40 - 39:40

39:40No.

Jamie Dunphy 39:42 - 39:42

39:42No.

Keelan McClymont 39:43 - 39:43

39:43Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 39:44 - 39:44

39:44No.

Keelan McClymont 39:48 - 39:48

39:48Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 39:53 - 39:53

39:53No.

Keelan McClymont 39:55 - 39:59

39:55Uh, the ordinance fails to pass with a vote of 5 ayes, 6 nays, and 1 absent.

Sameer Kanal 40:02 - 40:03

40:02Council President, point of information.

Jamie Dunphy 40:03 - 40:04

40:03Councilor?

Keelan McClymont 40:04 - 40:27

40:04Um, this— in a process like this, this was a transfer agreement process.

40:19Does this now go back to staff for additional information and consideration, or does this go away?

Jamie Dunphy 40:29 - 41:08

40:29I am unclear.

40:42Uh, request for information, Council President.

40:44Would it be possible for us to have that conversation return?

40:49Can, can we check in on that question and, and the update to it later in this meeting?

40:53Uh, I think for the purposes of this agenda, yes, we actually can do that.

40:57Okay, just from like a rules and process update.

41:00Okay, I, I don't want to— So item 13 has not received sufficient votes to pass.

41:06The item fails.

41:06We are going to call item 14.

Keelan McClymont 41:08 - 41:23

41:08Document 2026-277, appropriate grant award of $207,411 for speed racing street takeover.

Jamie Dunphy 41:26 - 41:34

41:26This is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

41:28Claire Adamsick from Council Operations is here with a committee staff summary report.

41:33Claire, take it away.

Keelan McClymont 41:35 - 42:40

41:35Thank you, Council President and councilors.

41:37For the record— sorry, Claire Adamsick, and I'm reading on behalf of Kevin Alvarez, who staffs the Community and Public Safety Committee, and Kevin prepared this committee staff summary but couldn't be here tonight.

41:49The ordinance before you, document number 2026-277, was heard in the Community and Public Safety Committee on August 4th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass.

42:00The ordinance amends the fiscal year 2026-27 budget and allows the city to appropriate $207,411.35 in grant funds awarded by the State Transportation Safety Office to address the prevalence of street racing and street takeover events.

42:18The grant will fund Portland Police Bureau overtime missions to combat planned and ad hoc speed racing and street takeover events.

42:26The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

42:33No verbal or written testimony was provided on this item prior to committee action.

42:38And that concludes the committee staff summary.

42:39Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 42:40 - 43:13

42:40Thank you, Claire.

42:41Councilor Novick, this came out of your committee.

42:42Any, uh, Committee chair remarks.

42:44Yeah, I just want to reiterate that the committee members were interested in receiving more in-depth information about the plan for grant funds, including data, examples of past work related to these grants, and more granular planning and timeline for these funds.

42:57I think that, um, this is an instance of where the administration, um, is gradually getting used to the idea that we don't rubber stamp things, we want more information, and I think they got that message.

43:08Thank you, Councilor.

43:10Colleagues, are there any— first of all, Keelan, is there anyone signed up for public testimony on this item?

Keelan McClymont 43:14 - 43:16

43:14We have one person signed up on this item.

Jamie Dunphy 43:17 - 43:17

43:17Great.

Keelan McClymont 43:18 - 43:18

43:18Would you like me to call them up?

Jamie Dunphy 43:19 - 43:24

43:19Yeah, colleagues, I'm going to hold technical or clarifying questions for the council discussion, and let's move to public testimony.

Keelan McClymont 43:25 - 43:27

43:25Okay.

43:27Edith Gillis.

Jamie Dunphy 43:30 - 43:31

43:30Welcome, Edith.

43:31Come on up.

Edith Gillis 43:33 - 43:51

43:33Hello, I'm Edith Gillis, District 3.

43:35I want you to remember that the Portland voters voted overwhelmingly that in any time that you spend any money on police, 5% is to go to the Police Accountability Board.

Keelan McClymont 43:51 - 44:12

43:51If you're going to pass this to give more money for police because they haven't planned properly, they're not doing their job right, you need to at least give 5% to the oversight and police accountability.

44:04There are many other ways to prevent street takeovers and dangerous driving.

44:10This is not the way to do that.

Jamie Dunphy 44:14 - 44:14

44:14Thank you very much.

Keelan McClymont 44:18 - 44:19

44:18Uh, that completes testimony.

Jamie Dunphy 44:19 - 45:45

44:19Thank you very much, colleagues.

44:21We're now in council discussion as well as technical or clarifying questions, and we have some staff available in the room.

44:27Anybody would like to answer?

44:29Councilor Knoll?

44:30Yeah, I mean, I'll ask the question, uh, based on that.

44:33I think, um, the way that it was characterized in committee was that effectively this was allowing an expenditure, um, and I wanted to just understand that would imply that it's effectively the 5% is already handled.

44:49So I just wanted to check with the lawyers on that and, and, uh, make sure that we were either told correctly or read between the lines correctly, um, when that conversation happened.

45:00Um, so I'll give— I'm pausing for them to hear, but, uh, while they're figuring that out, I'll say that as we went through the— we should generally be considering grants.

45:13It's a fascinating thing that we do here because we vote on the grant, but it doesn't always affect a decision on the policy that we're— that, that Or what it is that we're spending the money to do, right?

45:25So sometimes we're— it's characterized as, do you want free money or not?

45:29Though, yes, if you do, but under— sometimes it's about what are we spending the money on?

45:34And so while this one makes sense to me, I'm gonna bring up in the other, the second grant that's coming up today, a concern about these sorts of things.

45:41And so I just wanted to flag that as a distinction between the 2 grants as well.

Keelan McClymont 45:45 - 45:45

45:45Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 45:46 - 47:39

45:46Because we are ultimately deciding not only if we want money, which obviously the city would like to have money appropriated to us, but also what it's being spent on.

45:55And while I generally support this particular grant and what it would be spent on, I am curious about the answer to the question raised in testimony.

46:05I was in the hall working on another issue.

46:09Can you restate the question?

46:11Absolutely.

46:14In committee, it was characterized to us that effectively this vote was about spending money in a specific way, and maybe I misread between the lines on that, but the, the— in testimony, it was raised that in order to spend this $207,000, we'd have to add, you know, a little over $10,000, the 5%, to the OCPA budget, the Office of Community-Based Police Accountability.

46:36And the question was, did, did we already handle that?

46:38Or not through the, the general budgeting process?

46:43Oh, that's a great question.

46:44I'm Robert Taylor, uh, City Attorney, for the record.

46:46That might, that might be a question better asked to the budget office.

46:51Okay.

46:54By any chance— I'm not trying to be funny— by any chance, is, is CFO Biery or anyone from the CBO here?

47:04And we don't have to vote on this till next week.

47:06I don't understand it's a first reading, but that, that, that would be, uh, a thing that would change my vote, um, is if we didn't follow the 5% rule on something that I would otherwise be voting yes on.

47:15So I'm, I'm just trying to understand that and get information, Council President.

47:20Thank you.

47:23We are— do we have staff to be able to respond to this?

47:33Councilor, I think we will have to come back to your answer and ask the administration to get some response.

47:38Thank you.

47:39Councilor Avalos.

Keelan McClymont 47:42 - 47:46

47:42Thank you.

47:44So, um, I've got some questions.

Candace Avalos 47:46 - 48:02

47:46I think that I have— in general, I have concerns anytime we are asked to add funding for police enforcement without clear evidence about what outcomes obviously, street racing and takeovers can create serious safety risks.

Keelan McClymont 48:02 - 48:24

48:02We've experienced it a lot in East Portland, and we have a responsibility to address them.

48:08But that doesn't mean that every enforcement strategy is automatically effective or justified.

48:14So before approving additional overtime and surveillance equipment, I want to understand how these funds will be used, how the city will be success able to measure the effectiveness of these strategies.

48:21Councilmember is measured and what safeguards are in place.

Candace Avalos 48:26 - 48:27

48:26Council President, are there folks—.

Jamie Dunphy 48:27 - 48:30

48:27I guess, are these kinds of questions to police leadership?

Keelan McClymont 48:30 - 48:32

48:30Are they in the room?

48:31Or I don't really know.

Jamie Dunphy 48:32 - 49:01

48:32I have in my notes that Sergeant Petroff from PPB is supposed to be here, Sheila Craig from the grant manager's office, and Ben Smoon with the grant analysts.

48:41I don't know if any of those 3 people are the right to speak.

48:44If Sergeant Petroff is here, potentially.

48:47Hey, folks, welcome.

48:51Hello.

48:55I am not Sergeant Petrov.

48:56I am, uh, Lieutenant Greg Moore, uh, over this.

48:59So, uh, can you— the question—.

Keelan McClymont 49:01 - 49:21

49:01I haven't asked the question quite yet, so I'll— let me, let me ask that.

49:04Uh, thank you for being here.

49:05So, uh, a couple of things.

49:07So first, of the $207,000, um, can you talk to me about what's— how much will specifically go towards overtime versus things like equipment or other expenses?

49:19How are you breaking that down?

Jamie Dunphy 49:21 - 49:39

49:21So initially when we proposed the grant, it was— I can't remember the exact numbers.

49:27That's a grant.

49:27That would be a grants question what the numbers was.

49:30But because of how long this has taken and the short till the end of this grant, we're not going to be able to procure that equipment.

49:36So at this point, all of the money will be spent on overtime.

Keelan McClymont 49:41 - 49:42

49:41At this point, all of it will be spent on overtime?

Jamie Dunphy 49:42 - 49:43

49:42Yes.

49:43Okay.

Keelan McClymont 49:44 - 50:06

49:44And, well, I guess that answers my next couple of questions.

49:48I mean, let me just daylight this, 'cause this is what I was gonna ask, if any of the funding could be used for prevention, traffic engineering, community-based strategies, or other non-enforcement approaches.

50:01So it sounds like right now it is to use just on police overtime.

50:06That's right?

Jamie Dunphy 50:07 - 50:13

50:07This grant is specifically for high-visibility enforcement.

50:10Say that one more time.

50:10It's specifically for high visibility enforcement.

Keelan McClymont 50:13 - 50:16

50:13High visibility enforcement.

50:15What does that mean?

50:16Does that mean something specific?

Jamie Dunphy 50:17 - 50:32

50:17So it's from ODOT.

50:18That's one of their requirements for this grant is that it is a high visibility.

50:22It's not for undercover work.

50:24It's not for prevention.

50:26It's not for investigation.

50:28It's for during the event, disrupting the event and having an impact on the event.

Keelan McClymont 50:32 - 50:50

50:32Got it.

50:33Okay.

50:33Thank you.

50:35And then I guess what kind of reporting is council going to receive showing the number of missions or arrests or citations, use of force, demographic information?

50:45Like, how are you going to communicate back to us the outcomes of using this grant?

Jamie Dunphy 50:50 - 50:59

50:50Yeah, so part, part of the requirements of the grant is that we have those measurables and that we provide them to ODOT.

50:57So that would be the same to you.

Keelan McClymont 51:00 - 51:29

51:00Okay, thank you.

51:03So, and then do we have people from budget office to talk about the— well, I guess maybe we don't need that because you already told me, so never mind for that.

51:12Um, that's all the questions I have.

51:13I think— I'm not sure how I feel about it.

51:18I'm definitely still a little bit concerned, um, about this, but probably feel more concerned about the next one.

51:25So, um, I think I'll leave it at that and I'll ponder where I land.

Sergeant Michael Currier 51:29 - 51:29

51:29Thank you.

Candace Avalos 51:29 - 51:29

51:29Thank you.

Sergeant Michael Currier 51:30 - 57:04

51:30Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

51:31Councilor Zimmerman.

51:33Uh, thank you.

51:34I'm all for it.

51:34Get out there, get them, right?

51:36This street racing crap is really destroying a lot of, a lot of areas, and the wrecks that happen when it goes on is incredibly dangerous.

51:41People getting walloped by the back end of a car is incredibly dangerous, right?

51:46So, um, thank you for going after grants, finding other people's money.

51:49Let's get out there and do it.

51:50These missions have to start taking place as much as, as possible because, um, They're in, they're out, they're gone.

51:56It's really hard to stop.

51:57So I appreciate the work because it's not easy.

52:00So thank you.

52:02Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

52:03Councilor Knoll.

52:05Yeah, thanks.

52:06Thanks for being here.

52:06I just wanted to get a clarification.

52:10So when you talk, because one of the things that came up in committee, and I just wanted to get this on the record here since there's a larger audience for it, in the slides it talks through what exactly you're going to do with it.

52:19It is mission-based.

52:21It is doing all that, and that's why I was comfortable voting yes on it and would, pending the budget question on the other thing, support it again here.

52:30Could you clarify what deployable cameras means?

52:33So we were talking about like GoPros or cameras that would make it so that we could record criminal activity.

52:40Yeah, and so these are cameras that are not in a fixed location, deployable, right?

52:44But you'd be putting them in a fixed location.

52:47For that is likely to have an event occur that would help you monitor it, right?

52:52That was one of the thoughts when we applied the grant.

52:54But again, we have no intention of buying any cameras at this point because we don't have time for procurement of them.

53:01Great.

53:02Thank you for clarifying that again.

53:04I know I asked you a very similar question in committee, but I think there were folks who weren't there that are here today.

53:09So I wanted to get that on the record and appreciate it.

53:12Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

53:14Councilor Ryan.

53:15Thank you, Council President.

53:16Good to see all of you, and thank you for your service.

53:18Um, I was proud to be a part of the council that passed the street racing, um, action in 2023.

53:25I've learned how challenging it was to set up the system and the labor force it takes, the amount of, um, officers on patrol to manage those street takeovers, which really impact it's impacted the neighborhoods in North Portland quite a bit since many of them take place on MLK, Columbia Boulevard.

53:45The people on Marine Drive West have told me horror stories where their employees can't get to their shifts of employment, those that work the graveyard shifts.

53:54So it's impacted a lot of the workforce in our city as well.

53:58And one, I just want to hear how many patrol officers does it take to actually safely that's a hard number to nail down just because it depends on the size of the event and the behavior in the location.

54:17That's okay to start there, but I'd like you to go further because there are numbers involved.

54:21The reason I'm asking this question is because there are nights where there's maybe 13 to 25 officers in the entire city, and when there's a street takeover, When there's some other unrest, when there's a gun violence shooting, suddenly no one can show up for any of the property crime requests that we get, calls that you get from our storefronts around the city.

54:42So I think it's important for the public to have a better understanding.

54:45Sometimes staffing is better understood when you can tell us stories.

54:49So please take some time to tell us stories on what it's like to actually respond to these situations.

54:54Thank you.

54:56My name is Sergeant Michael Currier.

54:58I'm the operational sergeant for this street takeover activity.

55:03Typically, we like to get approximately 20 officers, but those numbers are also coming from Clackamas County, Multnomah County Transit, the Port.

55:17We also get assistance from the other side of the river during these missions.

55:21We usually have our air support team working.

55:25So when, when I say at least 20 officers, those are coming from multiple different agencies that come to help.

55:32And that took some time to set up those agreements?

55:35It, it has taken a long time, a lot of networking to do that.

55:39Yeah.

55:41And so congratulations on getting this award.

55:44Clearly it's needed.

55:45And I want to thank our partners in law enforcement and public safety from Gresham and Vancouver.

55:52And the surrounding municipalities.

55:53It's good to hear that.

55:55And I just think it's important that when we tell these stories, we allow the public to understand the impact of how many patrol officers it takes to manage that.

56:04And you do that because you want to ensure safety.

56:08And so what I've heard is it takes a higher number to ensure the safety of those surrounding the area.

56:15It absolutely does.

56:16We've had a number of fatal crashes out, especially on Marine Drive.

56:21But it is a citywide problem.

56:25Locations like Broadway and Burnside, 102 and Gleason, Airport Way, Marine Drive, MLK.

56:3620 Is almost a minimum that we need to deal with these problems.

56:39Thank you for telling the story.

56:42It helps.

56:42We've had a pretty significant impact in the last few years as well, too.

56:48Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

56:53Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue— actually, Councilor Connell, is that a legacy hand?

56:57Okay, seeing no one else in the queue, this is a non— the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

57:03I, I saw Grant.

Keelan McClymont 57:04 - 57:22

57:04Yeah, hi, sorry, sorry, uh, I just wanted to answer the question about the 5%.

57:10It is not part of the budget for this grant, so it would have to be part of the adopted budget.

57:16But we are not allocating 5%.

57:18I think it was 5%.

57:20Was that the percentage you were asking about earlier?

Jamie Dunphy 57:24 - 57:47

57:24Yeah, it was.

57:25But I— so let me, let me ask you this.

57:27Right now, the police budget and the OCPA budget before this ordinance are in the correct ratio.

57:33There is exactly 5% here, I believe.

57:36I am gonna verify if there's any extra wiggle room there.

57:40And so in order to increase the police budget by $207,000, my understanding is we'd have to increase the OCPA budget by 5% to meet the charter requirement.

Keelan McClymont 57:48 - 57:54

57:48So we are not doing that with this ordinance.

57:51I can't answer that question.

57:52We are only budgeting the grant funds.

Jamie Dunphy 57:55 - 58:16

57:55Okay, so, um, I think then we, we need to hear from CBO and/or CFO Biery to understand if there is wiggle room, meaning if it's already— if doing so would remain within the ratios or if that would mean we were out of compliance with the city charter.

Sameer Kanal 58:16 - 58:16

58:16Okay.

Jamie Dunphy 58:17 - 58:22

58:17And so I appreciate that you're distinguishing what this ordinance does, and I think that's part of the answer we're looking for.

Keelan McClymont 58:23 - 58:25

58:23And we'll follow up on that and get you an answer.

Jamie Dunphy 58:25 - 58:44

58:25And I know that when the budget gets amended, you know, when the mayor's proposed gets amended, they're not always in perfect ratio.

58:31We know that at least 5%, but we don't know if it's above it.

58:34So if hypothetically it was already above it by, um, about $10,300 or whatever, then we're fine, uh, from a legal perspective.

58:43So I'm, I'm just trying to understand that.

Sameer Kanal 58:45 - 58:45

58:45Okay.

Jamie Dunphy 58:45 - 58:49

58:45And I think that's a CFO, CBO question.

58:47I'm seeing CA lead on along.

Sameer Kanal 58:50 - 58:50

58:50I—.

Jamie Dunphy 58:50 - 58:51

58:50If it's—.

Sameer Kanal 58:52 - 58:52

58:52I—.

Jamie Dunphy 58:53 - 59:06

58:53If it's not there, we'd have to amend this, and I don't want to delay it next week, is the— is the Is the question I— is a concern I have, if we can avoid delaying it, because I do think it's good to get the money to the thing that the grant was applied for.

Sameer Kanal 59:07 - 59:13

59:07So I'm— I just— I don't know how you want to handle that, Council President, but I wanted to indicate that's my goal, is not to slow this down here.

Jamie Dunphy 59:13 - 59:20

59:13I just want to make sure we're in compliance with the charter.

59:16Okay, thank you very much, Councilor Kanal.

59:18Uh, is this Councilor Smith online with a hand?

Loretta Smith 59:23 - 59:25

59:23Yes, Council President, I just wanted to let you know that I am here.

Jamie Dunphy 59:25 - 59:42

59:25Thank you, thank you very much.

59:31Okay, colleagues, is there further discussion of this item?

59:36Okay, this is a non— the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance and now passes to second reading.

59:40Keelan, could we please call item number 15?

Keelan McClymont 59:44 - 59:54

59:44Document 2026-278, appropriate grant award of $150,000 $3,069 for expanded traffic enforcement.

Jamie Dunphy 59:55 - 1:00:03

59:55Colleagues, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

59:58Claire Adamsick is here with Council Operations to give us a committee staff summary report.

1:00:03Claire.

Keelan McClymont 1:00:03 - 1:01:26

1:00:03Thank you again, Council President and councilors.

1:00:05For the record, Claire Adamsick again reading on behalf of Kevin Alvarez, who staffs the Community and Public Safety Committee and prepared this committee staff summary.

1:00:12The ordinance before you, document number 2026-278, was heard in the Community and Public Safety Committee on August 4th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass.

1:00:23The ordinance amends the fiscal year 2026-27 budget to appropriate $103,069 in grant funds awarded by the Oregon Department of Transportation Safety Office to increase the efficiency of traffic crash investigations and to expand patrol-based traffic enforcement.

1:00:40The budget amendment increases the Portland Police Bureau program expenses and the grants fund for a grant period from July 14th, 2026 through September 30th, 2026.

1:00:50The award requires a local match of $25,768 that the police bureau will provide from its general fund resources and is intended to supplement existing city revenues.

1:01:01Grant funds will support officer training time and associated benefits and mobile citation and drone use, mobile citation printers and related supplies, crash investigation drones, and a dedicated crash investigation computer.

1:01:13The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

1:01:20No verbal or written testimony was submitted on this item prior to committee action.

1:01:24And that concludes this committee staff summary.

1:01:26Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:01:27 - 1:02:04

1:01:27Thank you, Claire.

1:01:29Councilor Novick, this came out of your committee.

1:01:30Any committee chair remarks?

1:01:33Yes.

1:01:33As with the previous grant, committee members would like to see more data and detailed information about the plans for this grant.

1:01:39I'll also note that the debate of the site have included a discussion of disparities in traffic enforcement, which is an important topic, which I think we need to have a full discussion of at a future CAPS committee.

1:01:49In the context of this grant discussion, I didn't feel like we had the scope or the personnel there to have such a full discussion, but we will have one later.

1:01:59Thank you, Councilor.

1:02:01Councilors— oh, sorry, is there anyone signed up for public testimony on this?

Edith Gillis 1:02:05 - 1:02:07

1:02:05Edith Gillis signed up.

Jamie Dunphy 1:02:07 - 1:02:14

1:02:07Okay, I'd like to move to public testimony before we get to technical clarifying questions or council discussion.

1:02:13So Edith, welcome.

Edith Gillis 1:02:16 - 1:02:19

1:02:16The City of Portland has this wonderful program, or did for many years.

Jamie Dunphy 1:02:20 - 1:02:20

1:02:20Introduce yourself for the record.

Edith Gillis 1:02:21 - 1:03:46

1:02:21My name is Edith Gillis, District 3, and that wonderful program was about improving traffic safety.

1:02:29So we do it through education through engineering, as Councilor Avalos mentioned, and through enforcement.

1:02:38And enforcement doesn't just have to be cops or guns or fines.

1:02:44There are far better ways to have safer streets for all users than what we're doing and what you're proposing here.

1:02:54And anytime that you take in more money, more staffing, more equipment, more services than anywhere used by the police, then you have to give at least 5% for the oversight and the accountability of those police and those programs.

1:03:17Please be very careful that you do not lose the trust and the respect, the cooperation of Portland voters.

1:03:25We're gonna be facing really horrible times, and if you betray our trust on this, as you have on Zenith and clean energy and so many other things, you're gonna have a much harder time with future decisions.

1:03:41Please be aware there's better ways to have safer streets than this.

Jamie Dunphy 1:03:47 - 1:03:51

1:03:47Thank you.

1:03:50Thank you very much.

Edith Gillis 1:03:51 - 1:03:52

1:03:51That completes testimony.

Jamie Dunphy 1:03:53 - 1:03:59

1:03:53Thank you, colleagues.

1:03:54We are now into technical clarifying questions and also council discussion.

1:03:58Councilor Murillo.

Keelan McClymont 1:04:00 - 1:04:37

1:04:00Yeah, thank you so much.

1:04:01We had a good discussion about this in committee, but I still left with a lot of— a lot more questions about this, and I'm not sure who in the room should answer them.

1:04:12But the agreement funds 2 drones, but it doesn't say what make or model.

1:04:18And so I don't know who's the best person to answer this question, but I'd like to know what drones we're buying and does any flight or image data sync to a manufacturer's cloud?

1:04:36Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:04:39 - 1:05:06

1:04:39Good evening, Councilors.

1:04:41Brian Hughes, Deputy Chief of the Portland Police Bureau, for the record.

1:04:44Councilor Morillo, I don't know the exact brand.

1:04:48I can get back to you on that.

1:04:50We already use drones pretty extensively in the work that we do, and it would just be an expansion of those.

1:04:56I think the ones we use right now are DJI, and as far as I know, we don't upload anything to the cloud.

1:05:03I will confirm both of those questions for you, the brand and if we upload anything to the cloud.

Keelan McClymont 1:05:07 - 1:05:08

1:05:07Gotcha.

Angelita Morillo 1:05:08 - 1:05:12

1:05:08I think yeah, it's okay that you don't know.

Keelan McClymont 1:05:12 - 1:05:22

1:05:12I think that to me that points to a broader issue I have, which is that we now have a data privacy office that we are currently hiring a director for.

1:05:21It's in motion.

Angelita Morillo 1:05:22 - 1:05:27

1:05:22I was very proud to bring that forward with Councilor Novick, and I think it's really critical to the work that we're doing here at the city.

Keelan McClymont 1:05:28 - 1:05:48

1:05:28So is the data privacy office going to review this purchase before any equipment is bought and how long drone imagery is retained?

1:05:36Who hosts the citation software and the citation database, and whether the clause giving ODOT and federal agencies access to project records could reach stop or citation records with people's personal information.

Jamie Dunphy 1:05:50 - 1:06:29

1:05:50Councilor, I would have no issue with the Data Privacy Office taking a look at this.

1:05:53I applaud your work there.

1:05:55I think it's important as, you know, these issues expand and, you know, see them all over the country, and certainly have no issues there with having the Data Privacy Office take a look at the purchase of these things.

1:06:06As far as the images they collect, these drones are used to collect images on crash, fatal crash investigations so that we can get roads open quicker.

1:06:15And they're saved in our database, our evidence database.

1:06:19Those are evidentiary pictures and they're saved according to whatever the timelines are for that kind of evidence to be kept.

1:06:27I think it's a pretty long time.

1:06:28I just, I don't know how long.

Keelan McClymont 1:06:30 - 1:06:30

1:06:30Okay.

Angelita Morillo 1:06:32 - 1:06:43

1:06:32And I know we're hiring for that top position, but is there anyone from the City Data Privacy Office that could, you know, confirm that they're going to be reviewing these tools before they're implemented?

Keelan McClymont 1:06:48 - 1:06:57

1:06:48Or maybe CA Lee, I'm not sure who— it doesn't— it's not fully formed yet, so maybe you can commit for us, or you can commit for us, anyone on the record.

Jamie Dunphy 1:06:57 - 1:07:24

1:06:57I know we can have our BTS Bureau of Technology Services take a look at it.

1:07:01Since the office is not set up, a lot of these services previously for the city was running through our Bureau of Technology Services.

1:07:08So we would still use their services to really vet this out from a technology standpoint.

1:07:14But I'll let DCA Warren elaborate on that topic even more, but also address kind of where we are in the process of setting up this office officially.

Tracy Warren 1:07:26 - 1:09:10

1:07:26Thank you, CA Lee, and thank you, Councilor Murillo, for the question.

1:07:30For the record, Deputy City Administrator Tracy Warren.

1:07:35We currently do privacy impact assessments when we are looking at adopting new technology on behalf of the city, so that is a current practice that will continue.

1:07:47I cannot verify whether or not when this when the drones that were originally purchased, whether or not they went through that process.

1:07:56That is a newer process that is taking place.

1:08:00Yeah, and I really appreciate the work that folks at BTS do, but this would be a pretty big expansion of scope for their work.

1:08:08And with all due respect to folks, as someone who's researched this pretty extensively, BTS is not in any way equipped to do data governance analysis the way— that's the reason we created the Data Privacy Office, because we've never had a group that was capable of doing data governance work, which is very different.

1:08:28So can— CA Lee, can you commit that the Data Privacy Office is going to be assessing this before we implement any new technology?

1:08:38Because we keep purchasing new technology at the city and it does not go through the proper channels.

1:08:44Can I clarify that the data privacy impact assessment currently takes place outside of BTS.

1:08:51So it is currently taking place through Smart Cities, um, and then it is reviewed as part of an overall committee of the technology.

1:08:59So we can commit that it will be done outside of BTS.

1:09:02Okay, and those same staff were moved into our Data Privacy Office anyway, so they're doing that same work?

Jamie Dunphy 1:09:10 - 1:09:11

1:09:10That's correct.

Tracy Warren 1:09:11 - 1:09:34

1:09:11Okay, thank you for that clarification.

1:09:13Um, that was some of the, the core concerns I had about and I hope that as the Data Privacy Office is established, that we will just move new technology through that, especially with the age of so many cameras, storage of people's information, facial recognition technology, all of that.

1:09:28It's something I really care about.

1:09:30So I'll just keep looking for that again and again.

1:09:32But thank you.

1:09:33I think that answers my questions.

Jamie Dunphy 1:09:36 - 1:09:37

1:09:36Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

1:09:36Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Tracy Warren 1:09:40 - 1:10:25

1:09:40Thank you, Council President.

1:09:41We've heard twice now testimony with concerns about the 5G set aside for police accountability.

1:09:46And I think we heard on the first one that that would have to be appropriated in the future with no real plan.

1:09:53So I am wondering if there is a plan for that fund and if the 5% could be taken out of the matching funds that are already allocated, or if for whatever reason these don't have to have the 5%, in which case we should be transparent about that with the public.

1:10:15Because what I don't want to do is end up in next year's budget needing to meet that piece of the requirement that we hadn't planned for.

Jamie Dunphy 1:10:27 - 1:10:29

1:10:27Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1:10:29Councilor—.

Tracy Warren 1:10:29 - 1:10:32

1:10:29Do we have an answer?

1:10:31That's a question.

Jamie Dunphy 1:10:32 - 1:10:40

1:10:32That's a question, yeah.

1:10:32Councilor, I'll defer that again to probably the CFO for that.

1:10:37Yeah, we would have to follow up with you, Councilor, because I think it's going to be important.

Keelan McClymont 1:10:40 - 1:10:43

1:10:40But we're being asked to appropriate the funds today.

Jamie Dunphy 1:10:44 - 1:10:55

1:10:44I understand that, Councilor, uh, but we would have to follow up on that specific question as it relates to does this impact the charter as it relates to the police accountability.

Keelan McClymont 1:10:55 - 1:11:17

1:10:55Let me ask a specific question.

1:10:58If this does impact that and we need the 5%, can the matching funds that are being used to obtain these grants be used for that 5%, or do the grants require the matching funds to be used for the common program?

Jamie Dunphy 1:11:22 - 1:11:25

1:11:22And as she's walking up, I just want to— Councilor, we are not voting on this today.

Keelan McClymont 1:11:26 - 1:11:29

1:11:26Okay, can we get those answers by next week?

Jamie Dunphy 1:11:29 - 1:11:29

1:11:29Yes.

Keelan McClymont 1:11:29 - 1:12:15

1:11:29Okay, thank you.

1:11:33Sheila Craig, Grants Management Division.

1:11:36We would not be able to take funds from the matching funds because that is requirement of the grant, that amount.

1:11:42And it's in, um, I think we're utilizing straight time for that matching requirement.

1:11:48So if we were to reduce the amount of match for what we put in our application, our budget, we would have to reduce spending the grant funds by that amount because it's— we have grant funds and we have matching funds.

1:12:02So we would not be able— we'd have to— I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1:12:06Thank you, Council President.

1:12:09I'd appreciate it if we can get an answer on what the plan is from the administration before we vote on these.

1:12:14Absolutely.

Jamie Dunphy 1:12:15 - 1:12:21

1:12:15Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1:12:16We'll work with the administration on that.

1:12:20Councilor Avalos.

Keelan McClymont 1:12:21 - 1:12:23

1:12:21Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:12:23 - 1:12:55

1:12:23So I understand the intent behind improving crash investigations and reducing the amount of time that it takes to get to the bottom of these.

1:12:32We know that increased enforcement automatically means increased safety, and traffic stops can have a very different impact across our communities, especially when we know that Portlanders of color have been and continue to be disproportionately targeted for traffic stops.

Jamie Dunphy 1:12:55 - 1:12:56

1:12:55Councilmember Herbold.

Candace Avalos 1:12:56 - 1:13:24

1:12:56In the most recent stops data, Black people made up 20% of total stops while accounting for only 5.7% of Portland's population, and 46.3% of those stops happened in East Precinct.

1:13:08So I again want to be careful anytime council is asked to approve additional resources that expand police traffic enforcement, especially through surveillance, and I want to better understand the use of the drones included in this grant and what safeguards are in place around thank you to Councilor Morillo.

Keelan McClymont 1:13:25 - 1:13:41

1:13:25She already asked some of my questions around that, so I'll skip those.

1:13:29But let's start here with what specifically does expanded patrol-based traffic enforcement mean in practice?

1:13:36Are officers expected to conduct more traffic stops as a result of this grant?

Jamie Dunphy 1:13:43 - 1:14:15

1:13:43Councilor Avalos, no.

1:13:45This is specifically for equipment and training, not To use those, those equipments.

1:13:51Like, uh, for example, the old days, like when I first started, we wrote the thing out by hand and it was in triplicate and you handed the thing.

1:13:58Nowadays they have printers in the cars that I have no idea how to use and would probably end up going through the training so that I could learn myself.

1:14:06But that's what this would be for, is, is training officers on how to mobile print those, those citations, just streamlining the process, making it easier to get them over to the courts.

Candace Avalos 1:14:15 - 1:14:15

1:14:15Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:14:17 - 1:14:22

1:14:17Okay, thank you.

Keelan McClymont 1:14:23 - 1:14:28

1:14:23We started to get a little bit into this, but let me just ask it again, uh, just because my question is just a little different.

Candace Avalos 1:14:28 - 1:14:39

1:14:28But what policies govern the use of the crash investigation drones, including when they may be deployed, what data they're collecting, how long the data is retained, and whether it can be used for purposes beyond crash investigations?

Keelan McClymont 1:14:39 - 1:14:41

1:14:39That last one is kind of the extra part that I didn't hear.

Jamie Dunphy 1:14:41 - 1:15:23

1:14:41So the drone policy is yeah, I will find the SOP on our drones and share that with you offline.

1:14:48What I know of it right now is that we have very strict safeguards in place for how the drones are used.

1:14:53They're used in the patrol world under a very specific set of circumstances.

1:14:58They're used in the traffic world in a very, very limited set of circumstances, and that revolves around traffic reconstruction and taking like grid photos of what a deadly crash scene looks like.

1:15:11And as I said before, the retention of that— of those photos is per criminal court guidelines and how long we keep evidence for.

1:15:19There's rules and laws that say how long we have to keep that evidence for.

1:15:22I can share those with you as well.

Keelan McClymont 1:15:24 - 1:15:31

1:15:24Thank you, I'd appreciate that.

1:15:26And then, um, for the general fund contribution, I guess, why is it necessary?

Jamie Dunphy 1:15:31 - 1:15:52

1:15:31And also, was that funding already included in PPB's adopted budget, or is this an additional It's my understanding that the $25,000 matching out of the general fund that we have to contribute.

1:15:44I don't know the specifics on the thing, on the, if the money was already there.

1:15:49I don't know how that all works and we'll have to defer that to CFO Biery.

Keelan McClymont 1:15:52 - 1:16:28

1:15:52Thank you.

1:15:53Yes, sorry, you keep getting asked all these budget questions that I know you don't have all the answers to, but thanks for entertaining those.

1:16:01So as I spoke about in my opening statement, You know, I, I am concerned about, uh, stop data and the clear disparate racial impacts.

1:16:11And so in that same vein, is— how is PPB, or are you, tracking demographic and geographic data associated with the expanded traffic enforcement so that council can evaluate whether this expanded enforcement is being conducted equitably?

1:16:27How will we be able to measure that?

Jamie Dunphy 1:16:29 - 1:17:26

1:16:29Yeah, so this expanded is just on, on, like I said, the equipment, the drones, and the traffic printers in the car.

1:16:35As far as your question and where you were kind of going, I think with the stops and disparate data, that concerns me as well.

1:16:40And we had a pretty robust discussion in CAPS about that on this topic.

1:16:45I think Councilor Knoll had several questions regarding that.

1:16:48And since that time, and based on his line of questioning, I've directed the bureau to apply for yet another grant to look into the stops data collection.

1:16:57And it's through ODOT.

1:16:58It's a grant that's been around for a while.

1:17:00It's It's my understanding that no one's applied for it, and it's just for this purpose, is to look into this.

1:17:05And I heard one of the testifiers earlier asking about like the community aspects and involvement, and I've asked that the grant look at that aspect of things as well.

1:17:16We haven't received it yet.

1:17:17Obviously, eventually it will come through here, and maybe we can sit back down and discuss this issue then.

1:17:22But it would be nice to have a look at that and figure out why.

Candace Avalos 1:17:26 - 1:17:26

1:17:26Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:17:26 - 1:17:40

1:17:26The data is what it is and why the stops are what they are.

1:17:29And so we've passed the first step in applying for that grant.

1:17:34They've accepted the application, and I'll keep you informed on how that goes.

1:17:38Is that a federal grant?

1:17:39It's an ODOT grant.

Keelan McClymont 1:17:40 - 1:18:04

1:17:40It's an ODOT grant.

1:17:41Okay.

1:17:43Yeah, you know, thanks for clarifying.

1:17:47I guess I have been getting kind of mixed up.

1:17:49I'm trying to understand when we say that we're expanding enforcement, But that the money is for the equipment.

1:17:56I guess I'm just trying to square those 2 things.

1:17:59So do you see how that is a bit confusing?

1:18:02I don't know how to ask a question, but that's what I'm confused about.

Jamie Dunphy 1:18:04 - 1:18:34

1:18:04No, you're right.

1:18:05It says it right in the grant.

1:18:07It says expand patrol-based traffic enforcement.

1:18:10But then when you look down through the details there, it's through streamlining the process and issuing citations and being able to print them more efficiently and how they do their work and streamlining that aspect of things.

1:18:23So there isn't anything in the grant that is increasing the amount of officers going out and doing the traffic stops.

1:18:28It's the training that they'll use on how to write the tickets, basically.

1:18:33Okay, that's helpful to know.

Keelan McClymont 1:18:40 - 1:18:43

1:18:40Um, hmm, I think that's all for now.

1:18:43Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:18:44 - 1:22:24

1:18:44Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1:18:45Councilor Knoll.

1:18:46Thank you.

1:18:47Um, so first I want to I just want to say that when I did a ride-along last year, and I appreciate you being here to answer these questions, when I did a ride-along last year, I saw the front end of the data collection system.

1:19:01And it's incredibly confusing, I think, for the officers who have to put it in.

1:19:07It's confusing for me.

1:19:08I'll just say for myself.

1:19:09I don't want to speak for the officers.

1:19:10Because when are you supposed to— it's supposed to capture what an officer knows at the time that they chose to make a stop.

1:19:21But it's not necessarily, that's not necessarily the time when it's filled out, and it's not necessarily possible to go back and know what you used to, or unknow what you now know after you've done the stop, if that makes sense.

1:19:33Gone and done it.

1:19:34There's issues on the front end, so I appreciate that there's a desire to look into how that front end gets done as well.

1:19:41And we focus so much on the back end of this because that's after SSD puts together these reports.

1:19:47That's very helpful and it's very easy to do that.

1:19:49But I, I, I want to acknowledge that that front end is, is, um, not necessarily ideal, uh, for creating this.

1:19:57Having said that, from what we've seen and what's been discussed at— and, and I want to note that before council ever discussed this, the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing has discussed this for many, many years and its predecessors before that.

1:20:12And so we've seen that the sort of data analysis shows that it's effectively— that makes it complicated for looking at individual stops, but not necessarily the aggregate stats.

1:20:21And so I just want to get that out of the way.

1:20:23Getting into this, I voted no on this in committee.

1:20:25And the simple reason why is that we've had disparity racially in traffic stops and that there's no information in the grant evaluation plan that mentions equity or looking at equity impacts.

1:20:41So I, I will note that, that it does say— I, I, I hear what you're saying, uh, Chief Hughes, about what it's actually trying to do.

1:20:48And in terms of mobile printers, I have no problem with mobile printers, but it does ask in the evaluation plan to what extent did citation issuance volume or timeliness change following printer deployment.

1:21:00So the idea is to make things more efficient.

1:21:02Yes.

1:21:02And, and I think that will— that, that's fair to say that that would increase the amount of it happening.

1:21:08There's the drone issue as well.

1:21:10Um, and I, I know Councilor, uh, Ryan in the previous item mentioned the vote on traffic safety and all that.

1:21:16I, I actually was presenting at that time in my old job that same day.

1:21:19I was sitting in the back of the room when, uh, the conversation happened around drones and how they'd be used.

1:21:26And it was this overhead view.

1:21:27Thank you.

1:21:28We also know that they've been used to, to find heat maps that showed, uh, someone was doing donuts in, um, an area following a crash.

1:21:37And originally it was kind of portrayed as this is only well after the fact.

1:21:42So I, I've, I had some questions about that then.

1:21:44This was 2023, um, it came up and, and the, the case was a little after that.

1:21:49So I've had some questions about the drone usage for a while, and I appreciate Councilor Murillo bringing that up too.

1:21:55So as it relates to this particular grant, going back to what I said before, this isn't just about do we want money.

1:22:02Obviously we want money.

1:22:03It's when you accept this money, you're using it to do a specific thing.

1:22:07And so we also have to have the conversation about how do we do the thing?

1:22:10Do we want to do the thing that the money would be used for?

1:22:14So my concern was about the equity impacts of that because just to do it, and I'll be more specific, traffic stops, not overall stops, have gone from—.

Sameer Kanal 1:22:24 - 1:22:24

1:22:2410%.

Jamie Dunphy 1:22:24 - 1:26:19

1:22:24About 8% of the people stopped were Black in 2012, and that's increased with a little bit of variation all the way up to 15.4% last year of people stopped who, um, in Portland traffic stops of Black drivers.

1:22:40And the percentage of Portlanders that are Black has remained around just below 6% throughout that based on census data.

1:22:49And part of the concern around that and how it's measured is that PPB in the, the data report uses a benchmark that is not population-based.

1:22:58It's injury collision benchmark.

1:23:00And there's a lot of information that's been on this, um, but this doesn't explain the size of the disparity nor the trend.

1:23:08And I wanted to, to just mention that again.

1:23:11So my concern is about— the first concern is about the drones.

1:23:16The second concern is about continuing to ramp up this work as it is not yet resolved from the inequities perspective.

1:23:26And then there's the third question, which was raised in testimony, uh, about whether or not we're following the, the 5% rule.

1:23:32I, by the way, the 5% rule, we have to follow it.

1:23:34I don't think it's going to be hard to follow it.

1:23:36I think it's just something we have to get done if we want to do these grants.

1:23:39And again, I want to vote yes on the first one.

1:23:42Um, I don't want to vote yes on this one.

1:23:43I, I opposed it in committee, and I'll probably oppose it again here.

1:23:47Um, and I also want to note that this information may seem separate from the conversation we're having, but I'm going to quote Chief Day in a letter, uh, on January 23rd, 2025, to the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing, said that the PPB encourages collaborators to use the annual stops report and state reports informed discussion to develop actionable strategies for improving equitable policing practices beyond the scope of data collection and analysis techniques.

1:24:15I think he meant the current ones in effect then.

1:24:17So I appreciate that those are evolving now, um, and I, I just want to make sure that that is a process that is resolved before we're increasing this.

1:24:26Um, and I appreciate the things that were brought up by other colleagues as well, but those are sort of my, my 3 things that I've been focused on in this thank you, Councilor.

1:24:36Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1:24:39Councilor Ryan.

1:24:40Thank you, Council President.

1:24:42It's been mentioned, and I'm not disputing the data about the disparity when it comes to the general population of our area and the amount of arrests.

1:24:52I will need to say this because I've done numerous ride-alongs.

1:24:56I do most of them at night, and I have found myself eating crow 'cause I say all that same data and I can't tell what the person looks like when I'm in my ride-along from behind until after they're pulled over.

1:25:15So I hope that we could maybe, do we have data that says it was daytime or nighttime?

1:25:21Do we have that granular data in the report?

1:25:25Yes, I believe the data can show that.

1:25:27I don't know if the stops data actually shows that or not.

1:25:29I think it's important to crosswalk that, 'cause I think that with all data, you gotta go underneath the— you gotta go deeper to really get the knowledge that's necessary.

1:25:39And so anyway, that's my lived experience.

1:25:42I've done 4 of these at night, and every time I do them, I'm humbled by the fact that I cannot tell.

1:25:48And so, but I realize they're pulling someone over just because they broke the law.

1:25:53So they're weaving in the road and it looks like they need to have a conversation so no one is hurt.

1:26:01Anyway, I always think it's important to tell those real lived experiences.

1:26:04Thank you.

1:26:05I'm surprised to hear that.

1:26:05I thought everybody knew at night that you can't see really who's driving the car.

1:26:10I mean, I've worked nights for many years and that's just— I thought that was common sense.

1:26:15Yeah, I think everyone knows that when they take a pause and they actually are in the conversation.

Dan Ryan 1:26:20 - 1:26:20

1:26:20Right.

Jamie Dunphy 1:26:21 - 1:27:13

1:26:21But yeah, the times that I do these at night when it's raining, it's like I can't tell.

1:26:26Thanks.

1:26:27Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1:26:28Councilor Knoll, back in the queue.

1:26:30Yeah, so there's a concept called the veil of darkness that I think is worth bringing up here.

1:26:36And it has to do with the, if there's a disparity in the rates of stops by racial category of drivers during the day versus at night.

1:26:45And in fact, the quote that I gave earlier from Chief Day was in his response to a recommendation from PCAP recommending veil of darkness analysis.

1:26:53And he noted in his response that PPB doesn't do it directly, but the state does it for PPB data.

1:27:02So that's important to note.

1:27:03I've also done ride-alongs at night.

1:27:05I wanna step back for a second and say racial disparity in the aggregate stops data does not necessarily mean anything about individual police officers.

Keelan McClymont 1:27:14 - 1:27:15

1:27:14Right.

1:27:14Right.

Jamie Dunphy 1:27:15 - 1:28:06

1:27:15There are systemic reasons in terms of where people are deployed that affects who's going to get stopped, right?

1:27:21That doesn't necessarily mean that an individual officer is making a choice based on what they see, but that does also mean that systemic problems— and I would argue that it is a systemic problem, that there is a massive disparity that is, you know, about double the rate here.

1:27:41That those systemic problems require systemic solutions, as opposed to looking at, you know, this individual stop.

1:27:47What are the big picture things here?

1:27:49And veil of darkness is one option for that, but as the chief, I think, accurately pointed out, the state does it already.

1:27:56And so I think I'm using this less to talk about that concept and more about the idea that this isn't necessarily about individual people making prejudiced decisions.

Sameer Kanal 1:28:06 - 1:28:06

1:28:06Right.

Jamie Dunphy 1:28:07 - 1:29:02

1:28:07I, I want to just make sure that that's not an accusation that people are taking away from this or inferring from what I'm saying, but that there is this statistical thing, that this is— it is measured.

1:28:18And I think that, um, when we have the conversation about why and what are we comparing it to, that PPB has for many years now said don't compare it to the population data, meaning the census metrics of what percentage of the population is of the same racial category.

1:28:36I think that's a good point.

1:28:37But compared instead to the injury collision data.

1:28:40And that basically has a circular impact because we collect more data at places where police are after collisions.

1:28:48That's just how that goes.

1:28:50And there's a lot of other analysis that's been done and reasons why that may not be the best metric to use.

1:28:58I appreciate, by the way, I don't want to just pile on here.

Sameer Kanal 1:29:02 - 1:29:02

1:29:02Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:29:03 - 1:31:11

1:29:03The non-traffic stops, the FIT stops, had a different metric that was used.

1:29:09And in 2025 and 2026, PBB changed the benchmark.

1:29:14And I think it was in response to a lot of the critique and feedback that was given for that.

1:29:19And I just wanted to note that, commend that, and say effectively the ask is the same for this category.

1:29:25And we need to pursue that as we go forward.

1:29:28I did want to just circle back briefly to the question about the 5%.

1:29:32Um, I appreciate Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question.

1:29:36I think it's a very good question.

1:29:37I think that we may need to follow up about sources of what is ultimately a fairly negligible amount of money.

1:29:43We're talking, um, up to $15,000 here.

1:29:47My back-of-envelope math, um, from the budget book says that we're about $4,500 over the bare minimum.

1:29:58In OCPA right now.

1:29:59And in order to accept the first grant, we need to accept— we need to increase by about $10,000, meaning the gap's about $5,800.

1:30:07Um, in the event we take the second grant, should that pass, that's another $5,000-something.

1:30:13Uh, dollars— I, I had $5,000— I don't remember, I have too many tabs open trying to do the math here.

1:30:20But, um, so it's a small amount of money, but that, that we would need to do something.

1:30:24So I just wanted to get that on the record.

1:30:26That's if the budget book is, is correct.

1:30:29I do have a concern about the idea.

1:30:31I, I, I want to not go down a path of figuring out how we don't need to comply with it and instead figure out how to find $5,000, because it doesn't seem like that'll be that hard to do.

1:30:40Um, and not that anyone suggested that, but just because there was kind of between some of the questions, I wanted to get that on the record as well.

1:30:47Thank you, Council President.

1:30:48Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1:30:50Seeing no one else in the queue, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance and now passes to second reading.

1:30:56Colleagues, the time is now 7:27.

1:30:59We're about halfway done with our agenda and we only have one item left, so we're going to go ahead and take a 10-minute, uh, break.

1:31:05So everybody please be back here at— I'm going to give you 12 minutes.

1:31:08I'd like everybody back here at 7:40, please.

1:31:10Generous.

Loretta Smith 1:48:27 - 1:48:28

1:48:27This is Councilor Smith.

Keelan McClymont 1:48:28 - 1:49:36

1:48:28I can't hear the council chambers.

1:49:22Can you hear me, Keelan?

1:49:32Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 1:49:59 - 1:50:06

1:49:59Thank you all for that.

1:50:00I'm calling us back to order.

1:50:04Uh, before we move to item 16, Councilor Smith.

Loretta Smith 1:50:07 - 1:50:16

1:50:07Yes, I'd like to see, Council President, because I had an approved absence, if we can reconsider the franchise transfer point, point of order.

Jamie Dunphy 1:50:17 - 1:50:32

1:50:17Uh, in Robert's Rules, you can only motion to reconsider after all the other business has been heard.

1:50:23Like, after the, the full agenda has been heard.

1:50:29I didn't know that that's true, but okay.

1:50:31I think that's true.

1:50:32Do we have a—.

Keelan McClymont 1:50:33 - 1:50:34

1:50:33Can we hear from legal counsel?

Jamie Dunphy 1:50:36 - 1:50:36

1:50:36Yeah.

Keelan McClymont 1:50:38 - 1:50:46

1:50:38I believe it can be made at any time just before the close of today's session.

1:50:42But I also see City Attorney Robert Taylor here to correct me if I'm wrong.

Jamie Dunphy 1:50:48 - 1:52:24

1:50:48Yeah, thanks.

1:50:49Hey, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

1:50:50I think that I, I'd have to look, but I think the motion to reconsider is in order when other— when there's not other pending business before the body.

1:51:00So typically you would make it— you often— it is made right after the item fails.

1:51:05So pending business is just before— it's in that sort of interstitial period?

1:51:10Yeah, while you're not in consideration of another pending item.

1:51:13Okay, thanks for clarifying.

1:51:15Thank you.

1:51:15So Councilor Smith has motioned to reconsider.

1:51:20Councilor Kanal?

1:51:21My understanding is that reconsideration can only be proposed by a member who voted with the prevailing side.

1:51:27My understanding is an absence counts as a no as a prevailing side under our, our code, though.

1:51:32I think that's only for purposes of tie-breaking if there's 6 votes in favor.

1:51:36This is fun.

1:51:37I'll pull up the code.

1:51:42Uh, that— it is fun, uh, and it's a new one.

1:51:46That is a new one for sure.

1:51:48Um, I think this would be, uh, issue that the chair could rule on and whether Councilor Smith's motion to reconsider would be in order.

1:52:01And whether the presiding officer believes that the— I really quickly just read the piece here.

1:52:10So this is Code 3.02.030, Section J, tiebreaking vote by mayor.

1:52:17And it specifically says, in determining if a vote is a tie, absences, abstentions, and vacancies will be counted as no votes.

Keelan McClymont 1:52:27 - 1:53:12

1:52:27This would— had nothing to do with the mayor.

1:52:29I wanted to vote.

1:52:31I hate to wade into this, but it seems to me, and I don't have it up in front of me, that if that's specifically in the section about the mayor breaking a tie and it calls it out, that doesn't necessarily— without reading the context of the rest of the section mean that it would not be considered a tie in another instance, or considered a no vote, I guess I would say, in another instance?

1:53:04Have you read the totality of the section to understand how that fits in context?

1:53:08Because I don't think we can take that one unrelated piece.

Jamie Dunphy 1:53:12 - 1:53:46

1:53:12I, I was reading that you're right that it doesn't necessarily preclude that an absence would be considered a no vote in another or broader context.

1:53:20That, that's correct.

1:53:21I was responding to Council President's point about, um, about the— in the context of the, the tiebreak was what we're talking about here.

1:53:30In terms of absence, it doesn't really come up except in the code, except as it relates to the, the absence of the president and the sort of vice president, um, presiding.

1:53:41In that case, that's the only place that the word absence appears other than the tiebreaking.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:53:46 - 1:53:46

1:53:46Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:53:47 - 1:53:51

1:53:47Uh, there, but my understanding from reconsideration is that the prevailing side—.

Keelan McClymont 1:53:52 - 1:53:53

1:53:52Okay.

1:53:53—Is the key.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:53:53 - 1:53:54

1:53:53Um, in the interest—.

Keelan McClymont 1:53:54 - 1:54:00

1:53:54I'm not going to be on the prevailing side because I was with the 6.

1:53:59You weren't here.

Jamie Dunphy 1:54:02 - 1:54:17

1:54:02Councilor Smith, I am going to, uh, rule against your motion.

1:54:07However, I will motion to reconsider the vote myself.

1:54:13Any member, any member can second that.

1:54:16Second it.

Candace Avalos 1:54:17 - 1:54:17

1:54:17Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 1:54:17 - 1:54:51

1:54:17Colleagues, I, I feel there's still a lot of room on this item to move forward if there's a reasonable effort made to find an enforcement and a disclosure provision as a condition of approval that the parties and the city attorney finds acceptable.

1:54:30It, uh, it— I therefore would move to reconsider this item and postpone it to a future meeting next week or the following so that the appropriate work can be done To amend this transfer agreement, a condition be adopted, and we can move the item swiftly to a vote.

1:54:44So I have moved.

1:54:47I believe Councilor Smith has seconded.

1:54:50Is this a debatable motion?

Keelan McClymont 1:54:53 - 1:54:55

1:54:53The motion to reconsider is debatable.

Jamie Dunphy 1:54:55 - 1:54:58

1:54:55Okay, colleagues, the motion to reconsider has been first and seconded.

Candace Avalos 1:54:59 - 1:55:00

1:54:59Point of information.

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:00 - 1:55:01

1:55:00Councilor Avalos.

Keelan McClymont 1:55:01 - 1:55:13

1:55:01So this, you can, in the motion to reconsider, attach the condition which you're adding, which is like that we will do it at a time certain.

1:55:11And so can you help me understand that?

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:13 - 1:55:36

1:55:13Yeah, my— the motion to reconsider is itself a sole action.

1:55:17I'm saying in context right now for the purposes of the public and my colleagues that I believe that there is a path forward on this if there's additional work on it.

1:55:24And so as council president, if we open this and reconsider this, my next immediate motion will be to postpone the vote on this for an So technically it's 2 separate actions.

Keelan McClymont 1:55:36 - 1:55:41

1:55:36I would ask for a vote before you do all that.

1:55:40So it has to be 2 separate actions?

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:41 - 1:55:43

1:55:41It would be 2 separate actions, yes.

Keelan McClymont 1:55:43 - 1:55:50

1:55:43So right now the first vote is just to reconsider, and then when it's reconsidered, then what, it just gets placed back on the agenda kind of thing?

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:51 - 1:55:51

1:55:51Yes.

Keelan McClymont 1:55:52 - 1:55:55

1:55:52And then after that you're hoping to make another motion to move it to a time certain?

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:56 - 1:55:56

1:55:56Correct.

Candace Avalos 1:55:57 - 1:55:57

1:55:57Okay.

Jamie Dunphy 1:55:57 - 1:56:02

1:55:57Did you say what the time certain was already?

1:55:59I am simply saying to postpone this item to a future meeting.

Keelan McClymont 1:56:02 - 1:56:05

1:56:02Okay, so let's do the reconsideration first.

Jamie Dunphy 1:56:06 - 1:59:31

1:56:06The motion to reconsider is a debatable motion, and, uh, Councilor— thank you.

1:56:12Okay, okay, thank you, Councilor.

1:56:14All right, colleagues to the queue.

1:56:16Councilor Kanal to the motion.

1:56:20Yeah, um, Council President, I would ask you to consider that should the motion to reconsider pass at that point, the vote could immediately be retaken, go 6-6, and the mayor would break the tie because there is no requirement that you— you can't combine the 2 things, as Councilor Avalos just asked.

1:56:41There is no guarantee that should this motion pass, that it will not immediately be voted on and go to the mayor's tiebreak, which we know how that will go.

1:56:51Well, I'm the only one who can call a vote.

1:56:54Okay.

1:56:54Uh, I would suggest that it might be better to wait until the condition that you are seeking is proposed before taking the vote to reconsider at all.

1:57:06And that, that's all I'll say on that.

1:57:10I actually— if I— yes, heard.

1:57:15Thank you, Councilor.

1:57:16The, the motion to reconsider needs to be made before the adjournment of the meeting.

1:57:25Point of request for information.

1:57:27Um, you could still rescind it though, right?

1:57:31Even if I— like, reconsider is in the same meeting, but you could make a motion to rescind instead in a later meeting, right?

1:57:38Uh, you can make a motion to rescind an action.

1:57:42Yeah, you could do that.

1:57:44Okay, but under, under our rules the motion to reconsider must be made before the adjournment of the meeting.

1:57:51So I think that's what kind of drives that, the urgency of this pending motion to reconsider.

1:57:57But hypothetically, you could reopen— we could reopen the item in a future meeting with a motion, a different motion, is that correct?

1:58:04Uh, no, I don't think you could re— you could reopen it.

1:58:08So if, if the meeting adjourns without adopting the motion to reconsider, then the item is beyond the reach of a motion to reconsider and it would, uh, it would fail.

1:58:22And, and also, just, just so everybody knows, if the motion to reconsider fails to pass, then the item is procedurally, uh, deceased because you can only make the motion to reconsider once.

1:58:43So, so just to— he, he said that if the motion to reconsider were to fail, then the item is procedurally dead.

1:58:50Um, is there any other motion that a councilor could use in a future meeting after this one has been adjourned to reopen this particular topic?

1:59:02Is there any way to reopen the topic in a, in a In a week, hypothetically?

1:59:08If this item fails today and there's no motion to reconsider to keep it going, then there would not be a motion that you could make, no.

1:59:21And what if the motion to reconsider was withdrawn without being voted on?

1:59:25Could then a councilor reopen it in a week if the motion to reconsider had never kept?

Loretta Smith 1:59:31 - 1:59:31

1:59:31No.

Jamie Dunphy 1:59:33 - 1:59:42

1:59:33Okay, thank you.

1:59:39Is that Councilor Kanal?

1:59:40Yeah, I'm good.

1:59:41Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1:59:41Councilor Murillo.

Keelan McClymont 1:59:46 - 2:00:11

1:59:46I think everybody knows what we want today, and we could just get it done today if the amendment goes through.

1:59:53I'd happily vote for this and get us to a 7-5 vote if you wanted.

1:59:58If we could get the amendment through today, we can be done, and then the public can have more recourse, and the franchise transfer can pass.

2:00:08So that is on the table as we continue this discussion.

Jamie Dunphy 2:00:12 - 2:00:40

2:00:12Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2:00:14Councilor Ryan.

2:00:15Thank you, Council President.

2:00:16I appreciate all the dialogue here, and Councilor Kanal and your rules, proper rules of order.

2:00:23In that book, does it say that The, the mayor can break a tie on the vote of reconsideration?

2:00:31No, he cannot.

2:00:34No, just need 7 for motion to reconsider, but it is not a final motion, and so the mayor can only vote on final motions.

Keelan McClymont 2:00:40 - 2:00:45

2:00:40People are the 5th arm of the government.

2:00:43We should be thinking breaking the tie.

Jamie Dunphy 2:00:45 - 2:01:30

2:00:45Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

2:00:47Uh, Councilor Green.

2:00:52I'm glad you're still sitting up there, uh, Mr. Taylor.

2:00:55Um, my reading of Robert's Rules of Order says that the motion to reconsider must be made before the meeting is adjourned.

2:01:04So if the meeting was just not adjourned, like if we did our last scheduled piece of business and then continued it, continued the meeting to next week, Then a motion to reconsider could be made at that time, and then that would give everyone some time to figure out what we need to do to get this to pass.

2:01:26Is that, is that consistent with your interpretation, Robert?

Loretta Smith 2:01:31 - 2:01:31

2:01:31No.

Jamie Dunphy 2:01:32 - 2:02:26

2:01:32I didn't ask, I didn't ask Councilor Smith.

2:01:34I asked, I asked Robert.

2:01:36Well, I think you could recess the meeting, right, to a different day, and then we'd still be in the same meeting.

2:01:44And then as long as the motion to reconsider was heard and voted on before you adjourned the meeting, you could do that.

2:01:51Yeah.

2:01:51Okay, that's basically the same idea I think maybe you had in spirit, because you were like, I'll do the thing and then I'll immediately schedule it to, um, a time certain, as it were.

2:02:06But this would then make it so some shenanigans couldn't be pulled real quick.

2:02:11And preclude the opportunity to actually have that amendment be considered.

2:02:17So that's what I would consider.

2:02:19We're obviously in consideration of a different proposal, but I'm just laying that on the floor.

2:02:24Okay, colleagues, I'm going to go ahead and withdraw the motion.

Keelan McClymont 2:02:29 - 2:02:34

2:02:29Mr. President, point of order.

2:02:32I would like to put it— I would like to reconsider it.

Jamie Dunphy 2:02:35 - 2:02:43

2:02:35Can't.

2:02:35You didn't vote yes.

2:02:37We have, we have ruled.

2:02:39The ruling of the chair was that you are unable to make that motion.

Keelan McClymont 2:02:45 - 2:02:47

2:02:45Okay, why?

2:02:46Could you explain to me why?

Jamie Dunphy 2:02:49 - 2:03:00

2:02:49Uh, I am unclear under Robert's Rules whether I, I believe the interpretation that, uh, an absent is not necessarily a no vote.

2:02:59And with the—.

Loretta Smith 2:03:00 - 2:03:01

2:03:00Robert said it was.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:02 - 2:03:07

2:03:02I, I have made a motion.

2:03:03I have made a ruling.

2:03:04Okay, can we please call item number 16?

Keelan McClymont 2:03:07 - 2:03:10

2:03:07Point of order.

2:03:07I need to talk to Robert.

2:03:09Robert needs to make—.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:10 - 2:03:12

2:03:10Councilor, you've not been recognized.

2:03:11I apologize.

2:03:12Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:03:12 - 2:03:14

2:03:12I'm sorry.

2:03:13Point of order.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:14 - 2:03:18

2:03:14I'm not recognizing it.

2:03:17Sorry.

2:03:17Thank you.

2:03:17Can we please call item number 16?

Loretta Smith 2:03:19 - 2:03:19

2:03:19Point of order again.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:21 - 2:03:21

2:03:21No, no, ma'am.

Keelan McClymont 2:03:23 - 2:03:27

2:03:23Robert, legal counsel, you need to make—.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:27 - 2:03:29

2:03:27Councilor Smith, you're out of order.

Keelan McClymont 2:03:30 - 2:03:33

2:03:30I— sorry, sorry, sorry, Mr. President.

2:03:31I'm trying to get some understanding of what just happened.

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:33 - 2:03:40

2:03:33I understand, and I have made a ruling for— and you are— we are moving forward.

2:03:38My ruling is that you are unable to make that motion.

Keelan McClymont 2:03:40 - 2:03:45

2:03:40Thank you.

2:03:41I can't make a reconsideration because of what?

2:03:43Then that's why I'm asking, can legal counsel tell me that?

Jamie Dunphy 2:03:47 - 2:04:41

2:03:47I'd, uh, I'd be, I'd be happy to, to explain this.

2:03:52So under, under our rules, the rules of council, Uh, it requires for you to make a motion to reconsider, you have to have voted on the prevailing side.

2:04:06Also, also under our rules, it says if you're absent, it will count as a no vote, and that is under the section talking about the mayor breaking a tie.

2:04:19So there's a question under those rules.

2:04:22You could read those one of 2 ways, to either allow an absent member to be treated as a no vote for the purposes of making a motion to reconsider, or you could read it to say you were absent, you didn't vote at all, so you weren't on the prevailing side.

2:04:40So that's—.

Keelan McClymont 2:04:42 - 2:04:44

2:04:42But it helped the prevailing side, Robert.

Jamie Dunphy 2:04:45 - 2:05:32

2:04:45Um, in, in that instance, I don't know that it, it did because there were It was 6-5.

2:04:52There were 6 no votes.

2:04:54So if you had been here to vote yes, it would've been 6-6.

2:05:00So the point I am trying to make is under our rules, there's 2 different ways to read those sections.

2:05:09And when that happens and there's an issue of interpretation, the president makes a ruling about how the president interprets it.

2:05:16He has made his ruling to say that he does not believe an absent member can make a motion to reconsider since they were not present to vote.

2:05:26That's the ruling of the chair.

2:05:29That ruling can be appealed, uh, if, if—.

Loretta Smith 2:05:32 - 2:05:33

2:05:32Can I appeal it?

Jamie Dunphy 2:05:34 - 2:05:41

2:05:34If, if 3 members— if, if you and 2 others wish to appeal, um, then that ruling can be appealed to a vote of the body.

Keelan McClymont 2:05:42 - 2:05:43

2:05:42I would like to appeal it.

Jamie Dunphy 2:05:45 - 2:05:47

2:05:45Are there 2 other members that would join that appeal?

Loretta Smith 2:05:49 - 2:05:50

2:05:49Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 2:05:52 - 2:06:51

2:05:52All right, looks like I have 3 members who have appealed the ruling of the chair.

2:05:58Uh, this moves— this is non-debatable, right?

2:05:59This goes directly to a vote of whether the— It, it is.

2:06:04Uh, you can explain the rationale for your decision and answer any questions.

2:06:10Thank you.

2:06:11My rationale for the motion is, as the, uh, city attorney has explained, I am interpreting our rules to read that an absent vote is not a no vote, and therefore Councilor Smith is ineligible.

2:06:24So the— and then the question on the appeal is, should the presiding officer's ruling stand as the ruling of the chair?

2:06:31A yes vote upholds the presiding officer.

2:06:36A no vote goes against the ruling of the presiding officer, and in the case of a tie, the ruling of the presiding officer stands.

2:06:50Can we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 2:06:54 - 2:06:54

2:06:54Koyama Lane.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:06:56 - 2:06:56

2:06:56Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:06:58 - 2:06:58

2:06:58Murillo.

Angelita Morillo 2:06:59 - 2:06:59

2:06:59Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:00 - 2:07:00

2:07:00Novick.

Steve Novick 2:07:00 - 2:07:00

2:07:00No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:01 - 2:07:02

2:07:01Clark.

Olivia Clark 2:07:02 - 2:07:02

2:07:02No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:03 - 2:07:03

2:07:03Green.

Mitch Green 2:07:04 - 2:07:04

2:07:04Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:05 - 2:07:05

2:07:05Zimmerman.

Eric Zimmerman 2:07:06 - 2:07:06

2:07:06No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:07 - 2:07:07

2:07:07Avalos.

Candace Avalos 2:07:08 - 2:07:08

2:07:08Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:08 - 2:07:08

2:07:08Smith.

Loretta Smith 2:07:10 - 2:07:10

2:07:10No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:11 - 2:07:11

2:07:11Kanal.

Sameer Kanal 2:07:12 - 2:07:12

2:07:12Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:13 - 2:07:14

2:07:13Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:07:16 - 2:07:16

2:07:16No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:17 - 2:07:17

2:07:17Ryan.

Dan Ryan 2:07:18 - 2:07:18

2:07:18No.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:18 - 2:07:19

2:07:18Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 2:07:20 - 2:07:20

2:07:20Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:07:21 - 2:07:24

2:07:21The ruling of the chair stands.

Jamie Dunphy 2:07:24 - 2:08:32

2:07:24Thank you.

2:07:25Mr. President, I have a point of order.

2:07:27Thank you for that.

2:07:29You did make a motion just on the basic of reconsideration.

2:07:34It was seconded.

2:07:35Generally in this body, we have looked to the second before anything gets moved on or changed when it's being withdrawn.

2:07:42That hasn't happened.

2:07:43So I would consider that that's still open.

2:07:47I think that your discussion at the beginning of that about another week for the amendment discussion seemed calm and present and was the right action.

2:08:00And since it hasn't actually, I don't think, been closed, I would encourage you to take action on that original piece, uh, because it was actually never closed.

2:08:14I— it is— I will preview for my colleagues.

2:08:16I would like to get to item 16, and it is my intention to, uh, Make a motion to this after the conclusion of item 16, before the conclusion of our meeting today.

2:08:25I'd like to make sure we get to people who are testifying here on item 16, and I will not adjourn us until we have made further conversation on this.

Keelan McClymont 2:08:32 - 2:08:35

2:08:32Sorry, you're saying you're going to take a— make a motion on—.

Jamie Dunphy 2:08:35 - 2:08:43

2:08:35I'd like— yeah, I want to— at the end of the— before we adjourn tonight, there will be an additional motion.

2:08:41And what is your response to the— like, who—.

Keelan McClymont 2:08:43 - 2:08:47

2:08:43I don't remember who the seconder was.

2:08:44And you're right, it was the second I'll second.

Jamie Dunphy 2:08:48 - 2:09:12

2:08:48Right, and so Councilor Smith does not agree to withdraw.

2:08:52Uh, where do we go from there?

2:08:55I mean, as a, as a courtesy, we— the, the mover asks the second if, if it's okay, but it's not required, and the maker of the motion can withdraw it at any time before the vote.

2:09:07The chair rules that the motion has been withdrawn, and can we please call item 16?

Keelan McClymont 2:09:13 - 2:09:30

2:09:13Document 2026-299 urged the city administrator to refrain from signing data center nondisclosure agreements, notify city council of inquiries for data center deals, and engage in transparent public processes related to data centers.

Jamie Dunphy 2:09:31 - 2:09:38

2:09:31Colleagues, this is a resolution.

2:09:33Um, Claire Adamsick with, uh, committee staff is here with a committee staff summary.

Keelan McClymont 2:09:39 - 2:11:00

2:09:39Thank you, Council President and councilors.

2:09:40Again, for the record, uh, last time tonight, Claire Adams, a council policy analyst and staff to the Housing and Permitting Committee.

2:09:46The resolution before you, document number 2026-299, was heard in the Housing and Permitting Committee on September 1st, where it was referred to full council as amended with the recommendation it be adopted.

2:09:57The resolution urges the city administrator and city leadership to refrain from signing any nondisclosure agreements related to the siting, permitting or development of data centers within the city.

2:10:08City of Portland officials are encouraged to engage in transparent public processes for all decisions related to data centers.

2:10:14The resolution requests that the city administrator notify the council of any permit application or request for early assistance for a data center with a current or projected power draw of 20 megawatts or greater.

2:10:25The committee provide— sorry, the committee approved an amendment to the resolution at its meeting on September 1st the amendment added a directive clarifying the council's intent to pursue a moratorium or zoning restrictions on hyperscale data centers and consider additional approaches for large load data centers.

2:10:43The full impact statement on this item includes information on community impacts and community involvement.

2:10:4812 people provided verbal testimony at the committee meeting on September 1st, and 43 people submitted written testimony prior to committee action.

2:10:55The general themes of this testimony included emphasis on transparency and public notification of Thank you.

2:11:00Next item on the agenda is the Council of Oregon Mayors' Report.

2:11:00Thank you, Mayor.

2:11:00I have a report on the Mayors' Report.

Jamie Dunphy 2:11:00 - 2:11:00

2:11:00Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:11:00 - 2:11:45

2:11:00The Mayors' Report discusses the impact of data centers on the city's economic development and economic growth, the impact of data centers on the city decision-making by limiting or prohibiting nondisclosure agreements, recommended disclosure requirements for data center applications, including financing and tax abatements, anticipated natural resource use and environmental impacts, and local jobs involved in the development or operation of a data center, impacts of hyperscale or large load facilities on water and electricity consumption, and concern that increased utility costs may be passed on to ratepayers.

2:11:25Long-term health impacts of data centers on the communities where they are located, including respiratory diseases and potential adverse impacts of poor water quality or noise pollution.

2:11:34And finally, support for a moratorium or stricter regulation of new large-load or hyperscale data centers, specifically those supporting AI expansion.

2:11:43And that concludes the committee staff summary.

2:11:44Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:11:45 - 2:11:51

2:11:45Thank you very much.

2:11:46Councilor Avalos, this came out of your committee.

2:11:49Uh, before we turn to sponsor remarks, any committee chair remarks?

Keelan McClymont 2:11:51 - 2:12:36

2:11:51Yes.

2:11:52The Housing and Permitting Committee heard this resolution at September— our September 1st meeting.

2:11:57The committee discussed the resolution and asked a number of technical and implementation questions, including how the proposed notification process would work, the role of nondisclosure agreements in early conversations with potential data center developers, and what this resolution would and would not change about the city's existing authority.

2:12:13During the discussion, I also asked to be added as a co-sponsor of the resolution, so thank you to Councilor Koyama Lane for accepting that invite.

2:12:22And following that conversation, the committee voted to refer the resolution as amended to full council with the recommendation it be adopted.

2:12:29It passed 4-0 with one councilor being absent.

2:12:32And I appreciate the sponsors bringing this forward and the committee's thoughtful discussion.

2:12:35That's all.

Jamie Dunphy 2:12:36 - 2:12:43

2:12:36Thank you.

2:12:37And, uh, sponsors, I'm going to go in the order that they're listed on here, but I want to turn to each of you.

2:12:42So starting with Councilor Koyama Lane.

Keelan McClymont 2:12:44 - 2:12:56

2:12:44Thank you, Council President, for the time on this agenda.

2:12:48And also thank you for all the work you do leading our council.

2:12:52It's not easy.

2:12:53I see how hard you're working, and I know you never wanted that job.

Jamie Dunphy 2:12:56 - 2:12:57

2:12:56True.

Keelan McClymont 2:12:57 - 2:13:37

2:12:57Okay, so I'm very proud to bring forward this data center NDA resolution.

2:13:03I'm thankful that we have the space to talk about how this affects us here in Portland.

2:13:08Oregon has one of the nation's largest data center industries, partly due to the beneficial tax structure.

2:13:15My housing and permitting colleague, Councilor Green, joined as a co-sponsor before this came to committee.

2:13:21Really appreciate that.

2:13:23When this item was discussed at committee— thank you, Chair— I did invite any and all of my colleagues to co-sponsor this resolution, and I got overwhelming excitement, so much excitement that—.

Jamie Dunphy 2:13:37 - 2:13:37

2:13:37Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:13:38 - 2:14:08

2:13:38Our city attorney needed to remind me that before a public hearing, there should not be more than 6 members signed on.

2:13:47But at a public hearing, which we're doing right now, it is okay to ask if others want to sign on and support this.

2:13:53So, Clerk, I'm wondering if— I'd like to repeat my invitation right now to my colleagues that would like to co-sponsor this item.

2:14:01Keelan has confirmed that if you just give her a thumbs up right now or unmute yourself, Councilor Smith, you may be added as a co-sponsor.

Jamie Dunphy 2:14:08 - 2:14:08

2:14:08Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:14:11 - 2:14:19

2:14:11Okay, Councilor Clark.

2:14:12All right, it's gonna be all of us here.

2:14:14Just put this on the consent agenda.

2:14:16I think everyone.

2:14:17Uh, Councilor Murillo?

Jamie Dunphy 2:14:20 - 2:14:20

2:14:20Yeah.

Keelan McClymont 2:14:20 - 2:14:28

2:14:20Do a thumbs up.

2:14:21Okay, Councilor Smith, did you— would you like to be added officially as a co-sponsor?

2:14:26Yes.

2:14:26Is this a first reading or something?

Jamie Dunphy 2:14:28 - 2:14:28

2:14:28It's a resolution.

Keelan McClymont 2:14:28 - 2:18:31

2:14:28It's a resolution.

2:14:29So we— oh, it's a resolution.

2:14:30Okay.

2:14:30Yes.

2:14:32Okay.

2:14:33Okay, so yes, everyone.

2:14:36All right, I want to start somewhere concrete.

2:14:38I've heard people wonder, are data centers an issue that you need to talk about in Portland?

2:14:43The answer is yes.

2:14:44Through a lot of research and information from our staff at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, we've clarified that there are at least 10 locations in Portland city limits that could accommodate a hyperscale data center.

2:14:56I'll pass around this map.

2:14:58It's— one side is zoomed in.

2:14:59It's also online as an exhibit.

2:15:02And you'll see that it includes locations in all of our districts— Hayden Island near OHSU, South Waterfront, both sides of the Willamette River.

2:15:10Look for the black and yellow outlined areas.

2:15:14And since we passed this through the Housing and Permitting Committee only 2 weeks ago, the Oregonian broke a story on an early assistance application that's been filed with the city for a Silicon Valley tech company to convert 5 floors of a downtown office building in into a data center space.

2:15:28So yes, it's a very relevant, very real issue, and we know that there are many national, regional, and local conversations about the harm that data centers can cause.

2:15:38They draw heavily on the resources that our kids and grandkids will still need decades after any company's lease is up— air, water, land.

2:15:47They come with real environmental and health consequences.

2:15:50We could spend the, the whole meeting on that alone, But this resolution is very clear in that it urges the city administrator to refrain from signing any nondisclosure agreements, NDAs, related to supporting, permitting, or allowing data centers.

2:16:03And it also requests that the city administrator notify council if the city receives a request for early assistance or another preliminary meeting or permit application from an outside party related to data centers, specifically with the power draw of 20 megawatts Or more.

2:16:19We can talk more about that if you'd like later.

2:16:22So this resolution at its core is about responsible good governance, protecting how decisions get made in our city.

2:16:28It's about transparency, and it's also about building and keeping public trust.

2:16:32Secrecy erodes public trust, and it's especially dangerous, dangerous to have secrecy around an industry that touches our drinking water, our electric grid, and the air that we are breathing right now.

2:16:43So this step costs the city nothing.

2:16:45$0.

2:16:46But what it gets us is the ability to look Portlanders, look folks in the eye, people who are here, and tell them that nothing is happening behind closed doors while we're figuring out what the right next steps are.

2:16:57This resolution is a first step, and it's an immediate step that we can take today.

2:17:02And I want to believe that it pairs well with possible next important steps of a moratorium on hyperscale data centers or an outright ban.

2:17:11Which is something that I am looking to pursue.

2:17:14So the Koyama Lane Green 1 amendment passed unanimously in committee, which adds a be it further resolved clause that states City Council intends to pursue moratorium or zoning restrictions on all hyperscale data centers at the earliest time to consider additional approaches for large load data centers.

2:17:31I hope our council will pass this swiftly.

2:17:33I'm almost done.

2:17:34I want to thank all the numerous co-sponsors of this resolution, all my colleagues, I also want to make sure credit lands where it's earned.

2:17:42Thank you to AI Now Institute, 1,000 Friends of Oregon, and Oregon Data Center Defiance Coalition for providing resources and technical support.

2:17:50Thank you to the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, Portland Permitting and Development, DCA Oliveira, and Christina Gann.

2:17:57Thank you for your months of research, code review, and groundwork that made responsible policy on this issue possible.

2:18:04Thank you, Claire Adams, Sick.

2:18:06In Council Operations.

2:18:07You're awesome.

2:18:08I appreciate how you supported my team and worked with the city and with local and state partners.

2:18:13Um, and to my own team in particular, Alan, whoop whoop, and Aubrey, whoop whoop, and Sabatino.

2:18:19Um, he is my office's wonderful summer intern who came to us through the Summer Works Program, and he has since headed back to school.

2:18:26But Sab, I think you're watching.

2:18:27Thank you for the work you put into this.

2:18:29And that's it for now, Council President.

2:18:31Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:18:31 - 2:19:50

2:18:31Thank you, Councilor.

2:18:33Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2:18:34Uh, colleagues, I'm going to make sure we each get a chance to give some introductions, but I will also note there are 22 people signed up to testify and it is 8:15.

2:18:42Councilor, we're going to go Green, Kanal, Pirtle-Guiney, Zimmerman.

2:18:45I'm going to keep it relatively brief.

2:18:48I'm just going to say thank you for your leadership, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2:18:51Um, thank you for extending this invite to the extent that the law allows at every step of the way.

2:18:58I've was grateful to be an early partner in this with you.

2:19:01I think for me, like, does this do everything?

2:19:04No, it's a first step.

2:19:05It's a resolution.

2:19:06It's a declaration of council's will.

2:19:09I think we should go broader on NDAs and think about banning them more broadly.

2:19:13But we also have an— we have a sort of obligation to act swiftly as the public is raising matters of great interest and urgency.

2:19:22And this is one of those.

2:19:23Thank you.

2:19:24And so this is a nimble way to do that and to sort of declare that, hey, you know, all these anxieties that we have about the AI industry and data centers, like, just like our inflation is being driven by 2 things, speculative bubble in AI and a war overseas.

2:19:43And that's— those are the 2 things.

2:19:45That's why we can't get normal interest rates.

2:19:47You can't get a graphics card if you're a gamer.

2:19:49You can't be a gamer anymore because of AI.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:19:50 - 2:19:50

2:19:50Yeah.

Jamie Dunphy 2:19:51 - 2:20:15

2:19:51And so at a minimum, we just want to know that our government's not colluding behind the scenes, making all that possible, right?

2:20:00And so, so this is a great step forward, and I'm really proud to be part of it.

2:20:05And I'm really glad we amended it to add the intention that we do want to pursue a moratorium and take up some zoning restrictions on this because we need to be proactive.

2:20:14So thanks so much.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:20:16 - 2:20:16

2:20:16Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:20:16 - 2:20:34

2:20:16Thank you for all of you who just, who keep this up day after day.

2:20:21You're in the people's house.

2:20:23Thank you, Councilor Green.

2:20:23Councilor Knoll.

2:20:25I'll reserve my comments for after the testimony, but just say thank you to Councilor Koyama Lane for your leadership on this and to all the other co-sponsors.

2:20:32Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

2:20:33Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Keelan McClymont 2:20:34 - 2:20:37

2:20:34I will also save my comments until after public testimony.

Jamie Dunphy 2:20:37 - 2:21:09

2:20:37Good.

2:20:38Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2:20:38Councilor Zimmerman.

2:20:39I'm going to hold up this map that Councilor Koyama Lane made because a few of us represent the reddest of the red area here.

2:20:48And, uh, I'm— when I talk about revitalizing a downtown, it's not a bunch of currently vacant office buildings filled with nothing but data centers in the future.

2:20:57So thank you, Councilor, for your leadership.

2:21:00Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

2:21:02Keelan, can we please get to— oh, I'm sorry, Councilor Avalos, you're not— I didn't— I'm so sorry, I deeply apologize.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:21:10 - 2:21:10

2:21:10Just kidding.

Jamie Dunphy 2:21:11 - 2:21:12

2:21:11Well, I'll keep it short.

Keelan McClymont 2:21:12 - 2:22:14

2:21:12I don't want to take up too much more time.

2:21:13I think my colleagues have already shared, uh, why this is important, and, uh, grateful to Councilor Koyama Lane and Green for spearheading this, uh, particularly Koyama Lane and Sabatino.

2:21:24Got to throw a shout out to him.

2:21:26What a great human.

2:21:28Um, and ultimately, I just want to say that East Portlanders really feel the effects of the way that data centers can negatively impact utility costs and neighborhoods, noise levels.

2:21:38I was knocked I was knocking on doors in, uh, Sumner, and they were telling me about a weird smell that they have.

2:21:45And, uh, this is something we dealt with in— at Verde, uh, in Cully, where there are just these different industries that are emitting lots of smells that are chemicals.

2:21:55And, um, East Portland is already facing the brunt of that.

2:21:58And so it's super important that we add transparency and accountability, um, and ensure that we are not, um, Doing— making decisions about data centers behind closed doors.

2:22:07And so let's get this done.

2:22:08And also let's keep going for a moratorium and greater data center protections and oversight.

2:22:13This is just the first step.

2:22:14Thanks.

Jamie Dunphy 2:22:15 - 2:22:22

2:22:15Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

2:22:17Did I miss anybody else?

2:22:18Because screw that.

2:22:20Now, Keelan, can we, uh, jump into testimony please?

Keelan McClymont 2:22:23 - 2:23:04

2:22:23Uh, we have 22 people signed up tonight.

2:22:27Uh, I will call testifiers up in groups of 5.

2:22:30Each individual will have 2 minutes.

2:22:32For those testifying in person, you will see the timer countdown displayed on the monitor in front of the testimony table.

2:22:37For those testifying virtually, the timer is displayed in Zoom.

2:22:41You will hear the timer sound twice, once when there are 30 seconds left, then a second time when your time is up.

2:22:49Before you begin your testimony, please state your name for the record.

2:22:54Our first panel includes Ann Casper, Morgan Glenn, Jamie Bradley Kissel, Jimmy Campbell, Simon Dudley.

Morgan Glenn 2:23:07 - 2:23:50

2:23:07Come on down, folks, and whoever gets down here first gets to go first.

2:23:18My name is Morgan Glenn, and I am a resident of District 2.

2:23:21I'm coming here tonight to urge you to ban the practice of in Salem, I witnessed the result after the city attorney signed an NDA with Verus without the knowledge of the city council.

2:23:32And by the time that the public and the rest of the council found out, it was already becoming too late to stop this construction.

2:23:39This is happening all over the country in states like Virginia, Arizona, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

2:23:45These developers are using closed-door tactics to get their centers built because they know just how unpopular data centers are with the public.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:23:51 - 2:23:51

2:23:51Thank you.

Morgan Glenn 2:23:51 - 2:24:17

2:23:51Centers are when they are proposed to communities in a transparent way.

2:23:55Our City Council should not bypass the will of the people by using these underhanded tactics to get massive data center complexes built.

2:24:02We have a right to know what is happening in our communities, especially when it comes to building projects that will create air and water pollution, increase energy costs for normal households during a massive cost of living crisis, and increase water usage in an area where water supply is already constrained.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:24:17 - 2:24:17

2:24:17Thank you.

Morgan Glenn 2:24:18 - 2:25:01

2:24:18This body and our government at large should be serving the interest of the working people of this country, not a small minority of billionaires.

2:24:26We do not need tax-subsidized data centers when there are so many parts of our government that are completely underfunded.

2:24:32We need TriMet to be funded.

2:24:34We need actual affordable housing to be built, not a building that creates ugly art and mass surveillance.

2:24:41I urge the City Council to propose a total ban on data centers in Portland.

2:24:44And that is why I'm also urging you to act in the interests of the public by at the very least requiring that all data center proposals be presented to the public so that we have a say what goes on in our communities.

2:24:56You still have 20 seconds if you want to.

2:24:59Okay, cool.

2:25:00Thank you very much.

Keelan McClymont 2:25:03 - 2:25:04

2:25:03I'll go.

2:25:04Great.

Morgan Glenn 2:25:05 - 2:26:14

2:25:05Good afternoon, Council.

2:25:06Jimmy Campbell, District 2.

2:25:08I'm here today to ask the city to do something that apparently qualifies as a radical act of government?

2:25:14Don't sign secret agreements with data center developers behind closed doors.

2:25:19Apparently a corporation can just walk into City Hall and say, we'd like to build a gigantic electricity-guzzling warehouse full of data collection computers, please.

2:25:28And the response can be, absolutely, but let's just keep it between us though.

2:25:33This is becoming a disturbing example of local government being turned into nothing more than a concierge service for tech oligarchs.

2:25:41And here's the irony: we're building the machines designed to collect and process incredible amounts of information about human beings while the public is being told almost nothing about the deals that built them.

2:25:53I'm not opposed to technology, and I'm not opposed to economic development, but public infrastructure should come with public accountability.

2:26:01So I'm asking for 2 things.

2:26:03Don't sign NDAs that prevent public oversight and establish a transparent public process so Portlanders can weigh in before major commitments are made, not after the deal is already done.

Keelan McClymont 2:26:15 - 2:26:17

2:26:15Because otherwise, you're not really governing.

Morgan Glenn 2:26:18 - 2:28:39

2:26:18You're just running a concierge service where corporations get the room and the public gets the bill.

2:26:23Don't turn City Hall into Silicon Valley's customer service desk.

2:26:28And don't make Portland a place where machines know everything about us.

2:26:35Thank you very much.

2:26:39Hi, Council.

2:26:42My name is Simon.

2:26:43I'm a Portland resident testifying today in support of this resolution, as the proliferation of data centers has become a growing concern in communities across the country.

2:26:53Non-disclosure agreements surrounding data centers represent a high-risk liability to the public, as they are not required by law.

2:26:58From the immense resource consumption required to run these facilities and their inability to solve the most immense— or solve the issues most prominently impacting Portlanders today.

2:27:09Working people are struggling to make ends meet as the cost of living increases year over year at a rate far outpacing salary growth and the creation of sustainable, high-paying jobs.

2:27:20Portlanders, your neighbors and friends, cannot afford higher energy bills.

2:27:25We can't afford to lose our jobs to artificial intelligence, and we can't afford the environmental cost of these data centers.

2:27:34At my own workplace, nearly 10% of our employees were laid off this summer at the same time that our leaders pushed AI tools into our hands to improve efficiency.

2:27:43My colleagues and I weren't invited to the meeting where it was decided AI would replace our jobs.

2:27:48These decisions were made for us to seek grade greater profits at our expense.

2:27:54Oregonians from Eugene to the Dalles and 20 minutes from here in Hillsboro are calling out corruption and demanding to be included in the conversation.

2:28:04This is a fight that activates so many Americans because we have become acutely aware that there are no positive effects of these investments.

2:28:11Rising energy costs, mass layoffs, destruction of our natural lands, and increased surveillance are all critical costs associated with the, with data centers that far outweigh the benefits they bring to our city.

2:28:23We need maximum transparency regarding data center deals to ensure our elected officials are not being taken advantage of by the corrupt business interests that seek only to line their pockets with profit and with little regard for the impact on our communities.

2:28:39Thank you very much.

Jamie Bradley Kissel 2:28:41 - 2:30:28

2:28:41My name is Jamie Bradley Kissel.

2:28:42I live in District I'm Councilor Mitch Green.

2:28:43I'm an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

2:28:47Every year my energy bill goes up, and in my neighborhood I see every day what happens when housing and utility costs outrun people's incomes.

2:28:56I'm here today because this resolution is really about whether city leadership should be allowed to make secret deals that keep those costs rising.

2:29:05Oregon already has nearly 150 data centers operating or approved statewide.

2:29:11Those data centers consume now an estimated 5.6% of Oregon's energy.

2:29:17At the same time, PGE has raised rates 50% since 2020, and the same industry driving this buildout just produced the world's first trillionaire.

2:29:27These companies profit, and working people are expected to foot the bill.

2:29:32Roughly two-thirds of Oregonians support a moratorium.

2:29:36On new data centers, and these companies want our city officials to make secret backroom deals that go against what the people want so they can get richer.

2:29:46They spend millions combating moratoriums and pushing NDAs like the ones that we're here speaking against tonight, because they know that if the people learn about these projects early, we will organize.

2:29:58The people will take action and will fight each and every data center.

2:30:02And we have over 100 examples of moratoriums and bans across this country that prove it.

2:30:09That's why they want these deals done in secret.

2:30:12I urge you to pass this resolution tonight and make it clear that the next step is a moratorium.

2:30:18As energy, gas, and housing prices rise and people get priced out of this city, we need a government that prioritizes people's needs, not tech billionaires' profits.

2:30:27Thank you.

2:30:28Thank you very much.

Keelan McClymont 2:30:30 - 2:30:47

2:30:30Uh, Anne Casper.

2:30:34Okay, next up we have Benjamin Gilbert, Maya Scott-Crawl, Leslie Koken, Jack M., Louis Leone.

Ben Gilbert 2:31:00 - 2:32:17

2:31:00My name is Ben Gilbert, and I'm a volunteer lobbyist for the Portland Democratic Socialists of America, the largest socialist organization in the United States with over 3,700 members in the Portland metro area.

2:31:11DSA and our members are worried about data center development in Portland and across the state.

2:31:16We need accountability from this administration.

2:31:19There's been a pattern of backroom deals under code names, and Portlanders deserve Transparency, not NDAs.

2:31:26Oregon currently gives out over $450 million in property tax breaks to data centers, more than any other state in the country.

2:31:33This is money stolen from our schools, from cities and counties, from parks, from first responders and fire departments.

2:31:40This theft has meant school districts across the state are closing schools, laying off staff, in a state that already struggles with our graduation and literacy rates.

2:31:48So while our tax breaks are lining the pockets of the bro-oligarchs and the billionaire class, we must also confront That these new data centers are used for AI.

2:31:56And yes, AI has some limited utility, but it is also how companies are eliminating jobs, driving down wages for hundreds of thousands of workers.

2:32:04But it is the use of AI in surveillance that is truly terrifying.

2:32:07These new data centers are how Texas officials tracked a person crossing state lines for reproductive healthcare.

2:32:13These new data centers are how ICE thugs have been targeting our neighbors for kidnapping.

Keelan McClymont 2:32:18 - 2:32:24

2:32:18These new data centers are for a dystopian future that we must better regulate before we let them continue to run rampant across our state.

Ben Gilbert 2:32:25 - 2:32:45

2:32:25So right now we are very rightly arguing over transparency, land use, zoning, water resources, noise, and electricity and bills.

2:32:32And yes, all of that is so very important, and it obscures the argument that we should also be having about AI and surveillance and job loss.

2:32:39This whole fight, this whole demand for a moratorium, we keep being told it's radical, that it's too far, and that we're asking too much.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:32:45 - 2:32:45

2:32:45Thank you.

Ben Gilbert 2:32:45 - 2:33:11

2:32:45But let me tell you, I think it's one of the most reasonable things happening right now.

2:32:49It is reasonable to demand transparency from our elected officials, especially a mayor that cannot be trusted to do business in the open.

2:32:55It is reasonable to demand a moratorium.

2:32:57We are grateful for this legislation as a first step towards that end to make sure we aren't let down.

2:33:03Thank you.

2:33:04Thank you very much.

2:33:09Good evening, Council.

Luis Leon 2:33:11 - 2:34:58

2:33:11My name is Luis Leon.

2:33:13As a member of the community and someone who believes in the transparency when it comes to our elected and appointed officials, it is imperative that the city administrator not sign any NDAs or consider any new applications regarding the construction or speculation of data centers in Portland without first consulting in a transparent manner with the people of Portland.

2:33:33Data centers are sprouting like weeds all across the country, and the promises of economic booms are the opposite of what a data center means for a city.

2:33:41Data centers are well known for stripping communities of clean water, spiking energy bills, and leaving a trail of waste that is poorly managed.

2:33:48The developers say they'll create economic prosperity, but we know it will only be reflected in the pockets of the rich and not in our community.

2:33:56Working-class people will face the brunt of this, and we deserve to have a say in it.

2:34:01I was at the recent data center hearing in Salem.

2:34:03The people were out in droves and made their demands heard.

2:34:07I am sure you will have the same on your hands if the city council refuses to consider the input of everyone.

2:34:13Lastly, I'd like to end with a quote from the city administrator's own biography.

2:34:19On the City of Portland website, the city administrator's Raymond C. Lee bio reads, quote, Lee's leadership is grounded in a people-first approach that emphasizes organizational health, transparency, and responsiveness.

2:34:32He focuses on building clear roles, healthy systems, and sustainable workloads So teams can perform at their best over time, end quote.

2:34:39If these are the values of Mr. Lee, the city administrator, then this resolution should be a no-brainer.

2:34:44In a time when trust for elected and appointed officials is at an all-time low, we insist that you act in accordance with your stated beliefs.

2:34:52Thank you.

2:34:53Thank you very much.

2:34:57Whoever wants to jump in?

Keelan McClymont 2:35:01 - 2:37:14

2:35:01Sure.

2:35:01Okay, go ahead.

2:35:03Good evening, councilors.

2:35:04My name is Maya.

2:35:06I'm a Portland resident in District 3 and a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

2:35:10I'm here tonight to urge you to ban secretive NDAs with data center companies.

2:35:14But I want to be clear, this ban is not enough.

2:35:17We need to ask a more fundamental question: who is this city being built for?

2:35:22Because data centers are not simply buildings full of computers.

2:35:26They are massive industrial facilities built to serve the interests of some of the most powerful corporations in the world.

2:35:31And those corporations are coming to our communities because they want something from us.

2:35:36They want our land, electricity, water, and infrastructure, and they want public governments to help make those resources available to them, often while the public is expected to absorb the costs.

2:35:47That is the fundamental problem we need to confront.

2:35:50We are told that data centers represent progress, investment, and economic development, but we have to ask, progress for whom?

2:35:58If a corporation makes billions from artificial intelligence while working people face rising utility bills, housing costs, and increasingly strained public infrastructure, that is not economic development for the working class.

2:36:09That is the privatization of public resources for private profit.

2:36:13And this is not simply an abstract concern.

2:36:16Portland's own resolution recognizes that hyperscale data centers can create enormous demands for energy and water and can affect household costs the resolution notes that some facilities can consume water at levels comparable to thousands of households.

2:36:32It also recognizes concerns about noise and emissions.

2:36:35There should be no corporate right to secrecy when the public is being asked to bear the consequences.

2:36:40That is why this ban matters.

2:36:43We should not allow the profit motive of a handful of enormous corporations to determine how we use resources that should belong to the public.

2:36:51Public resources should be controlled democratically and be used to meet human needs, not organized around maximizing corporate profits.

2:36:58No secret NDAs.

2:36:59We need full public disclosure and meaningful public participation.

2:37:03But ultimately, we need a moratorium on hyperscale data centers in Portland.

2:37:08Are we going to organize Portland around what corporations can profit from or around what people— working people actually need?

Jamie Dunphy 2:37:14 - 2:37:16

2:37:14Councilor Sameer Kanal.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:37:16 - 2:37:16

2:37:16Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:37:17 - 2:37:17

2:37:17Thank you very much.

Keelan McClymont 2:37:18 - 2:39:23

2:37:18Hi, I'm Leslie Kochan.

2:37:22I'm a member and activist with Oregon Data Center Defiance and XRPDX Extinction Rebellion.

2:37:29Thank you for this opportunity to testify.

2:37:32The rapid buildout of data centers has grabbed my attention for a number of reasons.

2:37:37First, I'm concerned about the myriad of harms that occur within the onsite footprint of a data center, Harms that you're hearing a lot about tonight.

2:37:46I'm also concerned about the indirect effects of data centers.

2:37:50Data centers have an insatiable appetite for resources throughout their life cycle.

2:37:56The offsite harms are extensive and include impacts from raw minerals mining, emissions from materials production for roadways and buildings, water use at offsite power stations, and the impacts of data center e-waste.

2:38:11That is often discarded in ways that harm the most vulnerable communities.

2:38:16Lastly, I'm concerned about the outputs or products of data centers, which raises questions that should be asked first.

2:38:24What will the data center produce?

2:38:26Do we need it?

2:38:27Do we want it?

2:38:28Will it completely disrupt the ecosystems that we desire and depend upon?

2:38:32Will it damage a child's ability to think?

2:38:35Is it true, as the heads of AI companies are saying, That it will replace most jobs, that it could facilitate the development and release of new biological pathogens that humans will not be able to control.

2:38:49Because of these concerns and the critical need for both transparency and a data center pause, I support both the NDA resolution and a moratorium.

2:38:59I urge the city to pursue a code change so that city officials and staff are prohibited from signing NDAs rather than just urge not to sign.

2:39:08I urge Portland to step up and follow the lead of other cities in Oregon that have passed moratoriums.

2:39:15Lastly, I urge the city to ban outright or through zoning conditions any hyperscale data centers.

2:39:23Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:39:24 - 2:39:26

2:39:24Thank you very much.

2:39:25Thank you all.

Keelan McClymont 2:39:29 - 2:39:43

2:39:29Uh, next— oh, sorry.

2:39:31Uh, next Next up we have Steph Ralph, Michaela McCormick, Lynn Handlin, Melanie Cambron, Edith Gillis.

Jamie Dunphy 2:39:44 - 2:39:49

2:39:44Come on down, folks.

2:39:45Welcome.

2:39:46All right, introduce yourselves to the record.

2:39:47You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 2 minutes.

Steph Rouse 2:39:50 - 2:41:40

2:39:50You like to go first?

2:39:51It's up to you.

2:39:52I don't care.

2:39:53I'll go first.

2:39:53Okay, um, we're just figuring out order.

2:39:56Uh, Council President, uh, Dunphy, members of City Council, thank you very much for having us here.

2:40:02My name is Steph Rouse.

2:40:03I am here as an East Portland resident.

2:40:09And first of all, while we've been sitting here, The New Yorker has just dropped its most recent episode of its Political Scene podcast, and the title is how exactly could AI destroy humanity?

2:40:23So this feels timely.

2:40:25I'm here to urge, please, a yes vote to urge the city administrator to refrain from signing data center NDAs.

2:40:33Transparency is critical for a thriving democracy, and it has to be intentionally built into our civic discourse.

2:40:42It has to be a positive, intentional choice.

2:40:45An NDA is the antithesis of this.

2:40:48The development of data centers has been fast and furious over the past several years.

2:40:53And people have feelings about it, and they should.

2:40:57Oregon is currently 2nd in the world for data centers according to IT Load.

2:41:03Beijing is 5th.

2:41:06So that has happened very quickly.

2:41:10Let's have a conversation.

2:41:12I really appreciate NDA as a first step.

2:41:15I've heard a lot about moratoriums.

2:41:17I understand that moratoriums also, because it's a city, Yes.

2:41:21Are limited to 120 days, I would love us to start the process of considering a ban.

2:41:27So let's do that.

2:41:29And I'm grateful to Councilor Koyama Lane and all of the champions who are— who have signed on to this leadership resolution.

2:41:38Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:41:40 - 2:41:41

2:41:40Thank you very much.

Steph Rouse 2:41:45 - 2:41:47

2:41:45Good evening, council members.

Melanie Cambron 2:41:47 - 2:44:07

2:41:47My name is Melanie Cambron.

2:41:49I'm an advocate for peace, and I educate around corruption and crimes against humanity.

2:41:55Today I came with an answer to the question of what is the big push and objective of the data center boom across the country.

2:42:04The answer is the AI data centers are being used to merge big tech, US government, and elements of the military-industrial complex to create a national security state.

2:42:16You may have noticed during Trump's inauguration, standing behind him was all the big tech CEOs because they, they were the major donors to his campaign and how he was elected.

2:42:29The former CEO of Google served on the board of Department of War.

2:42:34Jeff Bezos' father was part of the foundations of DARPA that includes bioterror exercises.

2:42:42Such as the Crimson Contagion, Atlantic Storm, and Operations Dark Winter.

2:42:50DARPA uses AI for mass surveillance, which has been blurring the lines of national security and domestic monitoring by implementing predictive policing and military systems where drones and robotic systems can be controlled by individual thoughts alone.

2:43:13Data centers and their AI partnering companies must be screened for human rights abuses, and with NDAs, we would not be able to do this.

2:43:23Palantir Technologies is a major partner of AI data centers across the country and are currently committing violations of humanitarian law.

2:43:31The co-founder of Palantir is Peter Thiel.

2:43:33He is currently funding the Portland-based company.

2:43:36Councilmember Herbold.

2:43:36Panthalassa for AI data centers to float in the ocean off the Oregon coast.

2:43:41The project is called Ocean 3, and there are commercial deployments planned for 2027.

2:43:48Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein had a business relationship where Epstein arranged meetings with the former Prime Minister of Israel to share intelligence with IDF and vice versa.

2:43:59It is no wonder why the draft of the NDAA bill, Section 219, is trying to authorize the merge of the US and Israeli military intelligence.

Jamie Dunphy 2:44:07 - 2:44:12

2:44:07Thank you very much.

2:44:08Thank you.

2:44:11Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:44:12 - 2:46:15

2:44:12District 3.

2:44:13Good job, everyone.

2:44:16Um, prohibit the city administrator, mayor, and any city employee or legal agent representing the city from signing data center nondisclosure agreements with data center developers, contractors, investors, and require the city to engage in transparent public processes giving the public full information in a timely way, supporting all full public engagement accessible to all.

2:44:37Make all the information about applications, meetings, content, participants, proposals, etc., freely and easily and promptly available in writing, video, Braille, American Sign Language, audio recordings, English, Spanish, Cantonese, etc.

2:44:50Include environmental and economic and social justice impact statements available in all forms to the public with several weeks to review, including listening sessions In each district.

2:45:00Make sure all in the public can testify in person and virtually with at least 3 minutes per oral testimony.

2:45:06It's a cruel shame to make someone permanently disabled by the poisons of data centers limit their years of suffering to only 3 minutes to say their truth while industry con men take up most of the time and money.

2:45:20Even the central banks of all the global nations central banks have warned last spring that data centers will cause a global economic crash worse than a combination of the dot-com bubble and the Great Depression and that of the 1850s.

2:45:38Because these data centers violate state requirements of cities, public health and public safety, infrastructure and resources, budget and services, and because when they lose their money, They're going to leave town, and we taxpayers are stuck with paying for the lifelong disability services, the poison cleanup, the food and loss, the fires.

2:46:02All the harm that these companies are causing, we'll end up paying for, for those who have survived.

2:46:10Thank you for starting this first step.

2:46:13Continue all the way.

2:46:15Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:46:16 - 2:46:17

2:46:16Thank you very much.

Keelan McClymont 2:46:18 - 2:46:29

2:46:18All right, Michaela.

2:46:25Good, go ahead, Michaela.

Jamie Dunphy 2:46:30 - 2:48:39

2:46:30Thank you.

2:46:30I'm Michaela McCormick in District 2.

2:46:33I urge the City of Portland to approve the resolution to not sign any non-disclosure agreements with data center companies.

2:46:42Any and all plans to build data centers in Portland need to be revealed to the public in ample time for citizens to offer input into considerations to improve such plans.

2:46:54Data center companies have a consistent record of making deals with government entities out of the public sight.

2:47:01The harmful environmental, natural resource, and public finance effects of data centers are now being widely publicized.

2:47:08Thank you.

2:47:08For good reason.

2:47:10Their voracious use of water and power, i.e., electricity and other forms of energy, is by itself sufficient reason to rein in their development.

2:47:20On top of that, their appropriation of huge swaths of land prevent devoting that land to affordable housing, sorely needed urban agriculture and tree planting, and community healthcare facilities that are affordable and accessible to the growing number of residents priced out of our current healthcare system.

2:47:40All of these and more are prevented by profit-addicted corporations seeking more wealth and economic growth.

2:47:50Data centers are just the latest means of feeding that addiction.

2:47:54Overwhelming scientific evidence has revealed the existential threat of the toxic, extractive, and exploitative effects of that unbridled growth.

2:48:04In particular, the hyperscale data centers needed to serve artificial intelligence are now aiding in our own cognitive disability and mental atrophy.

2:48:14This technology is eating away at our capacity to stay in charge of our own well-being and evolution.

2:48:21We not only need to demand complete transparency of proposals for data centers, but also a moratorium on more such proposals.

2:48:28And a ban on data center development until we know the extent of their effect on our health, our economy, and our habitat and all its inhabitants.

2:48:37Thank you.

2:48:38Thank you very much.

Lynn Handlin 2:48:46 - 2:49:18

2:48:46Go ahead, Lynn.

2:48:48Uh, my name is Lynn Handlin, and, um, I support this first baby step no data center nondisclosure agreement resolution.

2:48:57The language in this resolution is sadly weak, using words like urge and encourage rather than require.

2:49:05Urges the city administrator and city leadership to refrain from signing NDAs regarding data centers.

2:49:11I mean, I don't think that that's going to really work with our current city leadership.

2:49:16They don't care what they're being urged to do.

Jamie Dunphy 2:49:19 - 2:49:19

2:49:19Mm-hmm.

Lynn Handlin 2:49:21 - 2:49:46

2:49:21Why not say no signing NDAs regarding data centers, or really anything else that impacts Portlanders?

2:49:26I assume that you all need to make some other changes so that you can use stronger language, so I'm hoping you find a way to do that.

2:49:34We need real transparency, not ask nicely and hope everyone will behave well.

2:49:39The city administrator and directors, and certainly the mayor, have all proven numerous times that we cannot trust them to be transparent about other issues.

Jamie Dunphy 2:49:46 - 2:49:46

2:49:46Thank you.

Lynn Handlin 2:49:47 - 2:51:04

2:49:47So I know we can't trust them about data centers.

2:49:50We should not have to trust them.

2:49:51They need to be required to behave in good faith with full transparency, with consequences if they do not.

2:49:58I'm glad you're including language about a moratorium.

2:50:03Please include the large load data centers as well as the hyperscale.

2:50:07We need a moratorium now, so please go beyond intending to pursue and get it done.

2:50:14Data centers suck water, land, power, and they drive climate change.

2:50:18So, you know, if the AI doesn't get us, the climate change will.

2:50:22So let's just not do that.

2:50:24We don't need more of them.

2:50:26We have enough.

2:50:27Please pass this resolution.

2:50:30It is a step.

2:50:31And then go further.

2:50:32Pass a real moratorium as soon as possible and stronger enforceable language on the no NDAs with data centers, the the city council notification rule and, um, and the rest of that part.

2:50:44In fact, how about no early assistance in data center permitting, period?

2:50:50Not just a notification.

2:50:52Um, and last, how about applying all these wonderful transparency rules proposed here for all other issues regarding the city and, and our community?

2:51:03Thanks.

2:51:04Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:51:07 - 2:51:07

2:51:07Thank you very much.

Lynn Handlin 2:51:08 - 2:51:17

2:51:08Next up we have Cassandra Bloom, MB, Michael Mintz, Emily Waldron, Jeremy Bossele-Smith.

Jamie Dunphy 2:51:18 - 2:52:24

2:51:18Come on down, folks, if you heard your name called.

2:51:21Hope folks stuck around.

2:51:23I see some folks online.

2:51:25Jump right in.

2:51:27Yeah, hello, good evening.

2:51:29Thank, thank you for, um— oh, hold on a second, Cassandra, we're gonna Cassandra, we're here in the room first.

2:51:34We'll come right back to you.

2:51:37Thank you.

2:51:38Go ahead.

2:51:40Yeah, thank you.

2:51:41Thank you all for supporting this resolution.

2:51:44It's, it's really crucial.

2:51:46It's, it's really important.

2:51:48Uh, thank you, uh, Councilor Koyama Lane, for, for pulling this off and getting everybody here to sign on.

2:51:56And, um, thank you everybody who thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:51:59Thank you to all of the witnesses who testified here today.

2:52:02It's hard to— these are hard acts to follow up.

2:52:04These people are very articulate and informed.

2:52:10I would like to emphasize, though, that, you know, language like the city urges the city administrator to refrain, I mean, this— it is a good step, but this is pretty weak.

2:52:24I mean—.

Keelan McClymont 2:52:24 - 2:52:24

2:52:24Councilor Smith.

Jamie Dunphy 2:52:25 - 2:53:18

2:52:25The whole idea of NDA agreements between, you know, I understand, like, you need in a capitalist society, you might want to have NDA agreements, you know, here and there with businesses and people, you know, businesses are renting this and that.

2:52:44And, you know, but NDA agreements with city officials and government officials that— excuse my language— that's just batshit crazy.

2:52:56I mean, that is— it's, it's anathema to democracy itself.

2:53:04There's no way that that should even be a thing.

2:53:06I don't even know why we're talking about it.

2:53:08And Lynn, who just spoke a moment ago, is absolutely right that this whole idea of NDA agreements, this should apply to everything, not just data centers.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:53:18 - 2:53:18

2:53:18Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:53:21 - 2:54:24

2:53:21You know, what I would like to say is that I think the next step is a code change to prohibit and ban signing NDAs, you know, past the current resolution.

2:53:36But we really want to have a code change because we've seen how disingenuous NDAs are.

2:53:44Thank you.

2:53:45Our city officials can be.

2:53:48Thank you.

2:53:49Thank you very much.

2:53:53Cassandra online, you, uh, you started, I cut you off rudely, I apologize.

2:53:57Go ahead and take— start.

2:53:58That's okay, um, my apologies, this is my first council meeting.

2:54:02Um, hello, my name is Cassandra, um, I'm from District 3.

2:54:07Um, I'm currently asking the I'd like to ask City Council to support Resolution 2026-299, as I oppose the expansion of data centers in Portland, and I strongly oppose the use of non-disclosure agreements to keep data center negotiations, negotiations out of public view.

Keelan McClymont 2:54:24 - 2:54:31

2:54:24Decisions involving our water, electricity, land, infrastructure, and public resources should not be made behind closed doors.

Jamie Dunphy 2:54:32 - 2:55:25

2:54:32Please prohibit data center NDAs as well as any NDAs that come about further, um, and require full public transparency, along with putting Portland residents before private data center interests, um, as well as putting the, um, moratorium, uh, in place.

2:55:00And I agree with those who've I just want to echo what other people spoke before me about the wording on this item, as it's rather loose about things, or at the very least, it's, as other people have articulated better than me, not the best wording.

2:55:24That is all.

Emily Waldron 2:55:25 - 2:55:25

2:55:25Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:55:25 - 2:55:27

2:55:25Thank you very much.

Emily Waldron 2:55:31 - 2:56:20

2:55:31Emily, Emily, Emily, you're muted.

2:55:42Sorry, I wasn't sure if it was me or someone else.

2:55:45Hi, my name is Emily Waldron.

2:55:47I am not a Portland resident.

2:55:49I am actually calling from unincorporated Washington County, um, about a mile and a half as the crow first of all, we would like to say thank you for beginning to have conversations around NDAs for data centers and enacting a moratorium.

2:56:09We've seen 2 cities here in Oregon do moratoriums.

2:56:12Woodburn did one, enacted one yesterday, and Hillsboro's had one for over a month now, as both are working to be able to put regulations in place to protect their citizens from these companies.

Jamie Dunphy 2:56:20 - 2:56:20

2:56:20Thank you.

Emily Waldron 2:56:21 - 2:58:06

2:56:21As other commenters have said, I would urge you very, very strongly to use this as the beginning, as the tip of the iceberg.

2:56:31Urging your city staff to not enter into NDAs is very different than banning them from entering into NDAs.

2:56:40You all need to go through the work to enact a ban so they cannot go behind your back and do this.

2:56:45And I say this as someone who lives in a community where city staff was at odds with the city council and was able to enter into NDAs.

2:56:49Councilmember with different businesses and groups on purpose for tech and for that industry.

2:57:00And so an urge is not a strong enough thing to push through.

2:57:04The other thing I would encourage you all to carry forward is this 120-day moratorium.

2:57:10As we learned in committee, for the City of Portland, your current codes define data centers as office buildings.

2:57:15So we need to define what a data center is.

2:57:17A data center is very different from an office building.

2:57:19A data center runs 365 days a year, no evenings off, no holidays, constant droning of noise, water pollution, light pollution, heat pollution, and more.

2:57:31So your communities deserve the time for you all to take to protect them from these things and making sure that they're, if not flat out banned, that there's things in place to ensure that they're not going up next to your schools, to the hospitals, and to the residences where people live.

2:57:46Um, and with that, I would also remind the council that while some people think there's protection because of the size of the city, there's none.

2:57:56And a data center will just go vertical, it will just go underground, it will come for you if it wants to come for you.

2:58:01So don't think you're safe just because Portland is very packed full of people.

2:58:05Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 2:58:06 - 2:58:07

2:58:06Thank you very much.

Emily Waldron 2:58:11 - 3:00:18

2:58:11MB, you're muted.

2:58:23Oh my God, okay.

2:58:24Uh, MB, District 3.

2:58:27Um, so let's get into it.

2:58:28So while I support this resolution, it is also paramount that Portland passes stronger regulations that prohibit the city or city employees from signing NDAs at all, especially for data centers.

2:58:40Portlanders want transparency, not backroom deal baloney that inevitably leaves the public in the dark and footing the physical, psychological, and financial bill of these facilities.

2:58:53And I support a moratorium in the meantime while the city implements new standards and regulations, but I'm encouraging City Council to kick it up a notch, you know, enact an outright ban on data centers.

2:59:05Like, we do not need to be complicit in expanding a technology that's currently being used to surveil and kill people here and abroad, that is actively destroying the planet and poisoning every living thing, that's pillaging and plundering the natural resources we all need to live.

2:59:20Like, hello, water?

2:59:22Water, anyone?

2:59:23Like, it's causing cognitive decline.

2:59:27Mayor of myriad of other health issues.

2:59:29We know the list.

2:59:29The list is so long.

2:59:31So yeah, no, no, no, no data centers.

2:59:35No.

2:59:35Especially these hyperscale ones.

2:59:37They're just bad for everyone, bad for everything.

2:59:40Literally no positive thing about them.

2:59:43And we don't want or need— we've actually never needed these mass surveillance death machine facilities because that's really what they are.

2:59:53And I sure as heck I don't want to be footing the ecological and financial bill for them.

2:59:57I'm sure everyone else, if not most folks in the chambers tonight, don't want to be footing it either.

3:00:03So I want a livable future, actually.

3:00:07So let's protect Portlanders and the environment.

3:00:10Data center ban now, hopefully sooner.

3:00:14Get them out of here.

3:00:15Let's go.

3:00:15Let's do it.

3:00:16Council, let us know how we can help with that because, yeah.

Jamie Dunphy 3:00:19 - 3:00:19

3:00:19Thank you.

Emily Waldron 3:00:20 - 3:00:23

3:00:20No, they don't belong here.

3:00:21Get them out of here.

3:00:22Okay, thank you.

Jeremy Bosole-Smith 3:00:24 - 3:01:15

3:00:24Thank you very much.

3:00:27Yeah, I agree totally with that, uh, that last testimony.

3:00:36Good evening, councilors.

3:00:37My name is Jeremy Bosole-Smith.

3:00:39I live in District 4, and I'm a candidate for Portland City Council.

3:00:43AI data centers use enormous amounts of electricity, and Portlanders should not be stuck in just 5 years, regional data center growth added the demand equivalent of 400,000 new people on PGE's system.

3:00:55In that same time, our electric— our electricity rates climbed by 50%.

3:00:59It's clear that expansion is happening too quickly and Portland can't absorb this massive new demand.

3:01:06We must also consider the additional effects of data centers: increased water usage, air and noise pollution, and a less reliable power grid that will become increasingly vulnerable to extreme weather events.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 3:01:15 - 3:01:15

3:01:15Thank you.

Jeremy Bosole-Smith 3:01:15 - 3:02:06

3:01:15To extreme weather events.

3:01:17This resolution is a good step in the right direction.

3:01:20However, we have to go so much farther.

3:01:24AI data centers are the harbinger of a dystopian future, a future where we are constantly surveilled and technology is used by the most evil people for the most vile of purposes.

3:01:34This is not the future we were promised, and we must take it back from the corporations destroying our Earth.

3:01:40We're at the precipice of environmental and societal collapse and we must act now.

3:01:45This is why I'm fighting for a 4-year AI data center ban in Portland.

3:01:50Selling our land and resources to out-of-state tech companies is a bad deal for our city's future.

3:01:55We survived many years without data centers.

3:01:58We will be fine without them, at least until we can ensure Portland's resources serve Portlanders first.

3:02:04Thank you.

3:02:05Thank you very much.

Amy Stone 3:02:10 - 3:04:02

3:02:10Next up, we have Amy Stone.

3:02:17Hi, Portland City Council.

3:02:19My name is Amy Stone, and I'm a resident in District 2.

3:02:22I support the proposed resolution as a first step, but we need an ordinance amending city code to prohibit city officials from entering NDAs with data center developers.

3:02:31The expansion of data centers makes a small number of big tech billionaires extremely wealthy through circular investments and billion-dollar tax breaks, leaving everyone else to bear the cost in the form of environmental pollution, higher utility bills, job cuts, and other negative social impacts of unregulated AI.

3:02:46Here in Oregon, even after the passage of the POWER Act in the state legislature last year, PG&E announced its 8th consecutive regular rate hike for residential customers whose rates are up 50% from 5 years ago.

3:02:58PG&E also reports that data center demand is up 6-fold from 2020, while consumer demand remains flat.

3:03:05We cannot continue to subsidize this industry, and city officials cannot be allowed to make backroom deals with the developers who prioritize their profits over our well-being.

3:03:14Across our state, we have seen Woodburn and Hillsboro enact moratoriums.

3:03:18Eugene just banned city employees from signing NDAs with data center developers— what we're talking about here.

3:03:23And we've seen communities in La Pine and Salem successfully rally and win against data center development proposals.

3:03:30And even Governor Kotek came out in support of a moratorium at a rally last week in Salem.

3:03:35We need a city ordinance that explicitly prohibits the usage of NDAs between city officials and data center developers because it's us who will continue to, continue to be faced with the rising cost of utility bills and bear the brunt of the health impacts related to data centers polluting our air and water.

3:03:50I appreciate Councilor Koyama Lane for your amendment as a first step, and I urge the council to pass this resolution so we can get a moratorium on data center proposals as we work towards our goal of a ban passed here in Portland.

3:04:01Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:04:03 - 3:04:04

3:04:03Thank you very much.

Amy Stone 3:04:04 - 3:04:06

3:04:04That completes testimony.

Jamie Dunphy 3:04:07 - 3:04:16

3:04:07Okay, colleagues, we are now into discussion, uh, and technical and clarifying questions.

3:04:14Up to the queue, Councilor Koyama Lane.

Amy Stone 3:04:16 - 3:04:46

3:04:16Thank you, and thank you so much for everyone that's come out to testify tonight.

3:04:21I know that I know that this has gotten bumped from agendas, so especially want to say thank you to those who have been— who have come out multiple times.

3:04:27Thanks for your patience.

3:04:28Thank you for your advocacy.

3:04:29I want to quickly talk a little bit about the reason that the language in the resolution has words like urges and refrain, and that's because as a council, we don't have the authority through our city charter to require or force the city administrator or mayor to make certain choices via resolution.

Jamie Dunphy 3:04:47 - 3:04:47

3:04:47Thank you.

Amy Stone 3:04:47 - 3:05:54

3:04:47And I want to say it still is really powerful because this resolution sets a clear policy expectation, and we're also doing it really publicly.

3:04:56So when this passes, I think I can guess that it's going to pass, we have these expectations really clear and on record.

3:05:01So both the city administration and the public are very clear about what our expectations are.

3:05:08And yes, a moratorium is one lever at our pull.

3:05:12I believe personally that we need a state thank you.

3:05:14I think that we have to be careful about how we phrase this.

3:05:14We're asking for a statewide 3-year moratorium.

3:05:16And as I have learned a lot more about this topic, I know that local jurisdictions really are limited to a max of 120-day moratoriums at a time.

3:05:24And there's a really long, complex land use process that you get back in the queue for.

3:05:29And many of the advocates that I've spoken to in different states from across the country have all recommended, if you can, start with a ban.

3:05:35So I've, I've also honestly really appreciated the conversations with folks from the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability in our city attorney's office.

3:05:41About the possible next steps of zoning restrictions or a ban.

3:05:46And that would be binding, changing binding city code, not a resolution.

3:05:50So I hear you and I'm grateful that you're here.

3:05:52And let's stay in touch about next steps.

Jamie Dunphy 3:05:56 - 3:06:34

3:05:56Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

3:05:57Councilor Novick.

3:05:59Thank you, Mr. President.

3:06:01As one of the testifiers said, data centers are tied in with 2 existential threats.

3:06:07By sucking up vast amounts of energy, they accelerate climate change, and they're also inextricably tied in with AI.

3:06:13And we've been hearing for the last week in the national news about what a threat the people who know AI best know that it is.

3:06:20On a personal note, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I am very glad that I am old, so old that I can even remember being progressive in the '80s, because my advanced age makes it at least possible that I will be comfortably dead before AI destroys all human life.

Steve Novick 3:06:35 - 3:06:38

3:06:35What about us?

Jamie Dunphy 3:06:38 - 3:06:44

3:06:38Thank you, Councilor Novick.

3:06:43Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, follow that up.

Keelan McClymont 3:06:45 - 3:10:40

3:06:45As someone not quite that old with kids, I'm hoping we can do better than that, Councilor.

3:06:56Um, I need to start as I I did in committee by saying that in abundance of caution, I want to declare a potential conflict of interest.

3:07:08My wife works for a tech company that in part does own some data centers, um, that contributes to our family income.

3:07:17While I don't believe there is an actual conflict of interest, it has been advised that I declare the potential.

3:07:24That said, I wholeheartedly support this resolution.

3:07:29The documented environmental impacts of data centers are the start, but Portland also needs to be deliberate about how we use one of our scarcest economic resources— our job-available land, including our industrial land.

3:07:44And while we learned in committee that these data centers are zoned commercial, we also learned that in the Central East Side they can be sited on industrial this resolution is fundamentally about transparency and accountability.

3:07:58It asks us for greater public transparency and council awareness if and when the city is approached about very large data centers.

3:08:05And that matters because Portland has a limited supply of good job land, and the choices that we make about these data centers will shape our economy and the space we have to grow other parts of our economy.

3:08:19Thank you.

3:08:20For decades to come, when land is scarce, we need to think not just about the capital a project brings, but how effectively that land use creates lasting employment opportunities.

3:08:33So we should ask a straightforward question: How many good permanent jobs do we get for the amount of land we commit to any type of project?

3:08:43A very large data center.

3:08:45Yes represents a substantial capital improvement, and it requires a relatively small workforce.

3:08:53Construction jobs and the indirect economic activity are, of course, important, but they can't be the end of the story.

3:09:00Our permanent employment located on a site matters.

3:09:04This is about job density.

3:09:06It's about economic opportunity for our future, and it's about opportunity cost As well as the important environmental and transparency values that have been stated many times by folks in the room today and my colleagues.

3:09:21The question becomes even more important when a project has those unusually large demands for electricity, water, and other infrastructure that we know data centers do.

3:09:31The resource demands of a data center have economic and environmental consequences that we all deserve to understand.

3:09:38Thank you.

3:09:38Before the city enters into any more of these commitments or makes decisions about sites.

3:09:44We should know how much electricity, how much water a proposed facility of any type will require, what infrastructure it would need, and what permanent employment will be, what environmental mitigation would be provided.

3:09:58The point is that the city needs information to evaluate projects that are considering located here and to evaluate those projects' impacts.

3:10:07Transparency is not at odds with economic development.

3:10:11It makes sure that our economic development is working for us, for the people of our community.

3:10:18This resolution gives council and gives the public an opportunity to understand trade-offs before any decisions are made.

3:10:27It's critical that we move this forward, and it's critical that this be just I was proud to be one of the early co-sponsors.

3:10:37Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane, and I'm looking forward to the vote today.

Jamie Dunphy 3:10:41 - 3:12:50

3:10:41Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

3:10:42Councilor Kanal.

3:10:44Thanks, Council President.

3:10:46Thanks to my co-sponsors.

3:10:47I'm happy to join in bringing this forward.

3:10:49Broadly speaking, NDAs are bad.

3:10:52We've seen them be used in other cities to prevent public awareness of and input into development that impacts their neighborhoods and to shield developers from shield decision makers from community opposition and accountability.

3:11:03This resolution would declare that transparency should be standard practice in Portland, and I hope a step towards saying that transparency must be standard practice in Portland.

3:11:13We have a right to know if the city administration is considering allowing data centers in our communities, and we as Portlanders' representatives on the city councilors have an opportunity today to take a proactive step to build public trust by saying no decisions about you without you at least being aware of it and ideally involved in it.

3:11:30By further signaling our intent in the resolution to institute a moratorium on data centers, we make it clear that decisions about these facilities should be evidence-based and rely on robust objective analyses of data centers' environmental and economic impacts.

3:11:42What we already know is that ravenous energy demands, uh, from data centers constrain water systems and energy grids, raise residents' utility bills, create 24/7 noise pollution, and pollute our air with emissions from diesel generators.

3:11:55They extract resources with no evidence of meaningful direct economic benefit for the community post-construction.

3:12:00These buildings can be over a million square feet and have fewer than 100 people working in them, as my colleague just noted.

3:12:05When we think about our goals under the Comp Plan, under the EOA, that's a terrible ratio.

3:12:11Data centers that enable AI don't create jobs.

3:12:13In fact, they were designed to help eliminate them.

3:12:16I'd also like to see us ultimately move towards an outright ban in Portland.

3:12:20I do not believe the data centers are inevitable, and I also don't believe that AI is inevitable.

3:12:24No matter what tech bros say, uh, move fast and break things might be their ethos.

3:12:28It's not how you run a city.

3:12:30And when some of the very folks who've been creating and pushing this technology are warning that there's a 10% chance that AI could kill all humans within the next decade— and I do hope that, Councilor Novick, you're here for at least another decade— uh, it's time to not only pump the brakes but to shut off the entire damn engine.

3:12:44And so we as a city get to decide how to use our land, and we have a responsibility to make sure it's for the greater good and well-being of all Portlanders.

Sameer Kanal 3:12:50 - 3:12:50

3:12:50Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:12:50 - 3:13:49

3:12:50And the environment that we're all stewards of.

3:12:53So I'm looking forward to this vote.

3:12:55I do want to take the opportunity to ask a question for the future, um, and ask, you know, do we offer— what the next steps beyond this— do we offer early assistance and preliminary meetings with data center applicants?

3:13:13And is that something that we should be looking at as a step that could be taken faster towards a ban, because we do know that when things get through early assistance, they are often effectively greenlit.

3:13:25I'd have to ask staff to come up to speak to if— what offers do we have as it relates to early incentives for any kind of development like this there in Rome?

3:13:34Okay, so this is before you file the official, uh, permit.

3:13:38You'd start talking to the permitting staff and ideally help shape the thing.

3:13:44Um, to get to, uh, to a yes eventually.

3:13:48Sorry, please come up.

Keelan McClymont 3:13:55 - 3:14:21

3:13:55Hi there, Natalie Didion.

3:13:57I'm the building official for the city.

3:13:59Um, so early assistance is a normal application for any applicant to fill out.

3:14:06Um, they provide very simple information about their project, and it's about the siting of it and looking at the zoning requirements of that site, um, and then also the public infrastructure about what is going to be required.

Jamie Dunphy 3:14:22 - 3:14:40

3:14:22Okay, so that answers— oh, go ahead.

3:14:24It, it, it answers the first part of it.

3:14:26Um, you know, there's an Oregonian article about a, a 5-story, uh, data center coming forward.

3:14:31My understanding is that they have early assistance in progress, and also that, or soon to happen.

3:14:38I'll let you answer that because you know more than I do.

Keelan McClymont 3:14:40 - 3:14:59

3:14:40Yeah, I know that they are scheduled for an early assistance meeting on October 7th.

3:14:46I don't think that means that meeting is scheduled.

3:14:48Okay, so yeah, so it's not really getting assistance to get their project through, it's just a meeting to talk about the, the project that's available to, to any permit.

Jamie Dunphy 3:15:00 - 3:15:43

3:15:00I think this conversation would indicate, and I hope the eventual vote on it would indicate, that, that council would actually like to not do those either, um, and stop providing early assistance to data center applications altogether as another way of getting towards the eventual ban that we need to do.

3:15:19So I just wanted to, to get that on the record while I had the chance.

3:15:22This is something that I learned about after becoming, uh, co-sponsor and the news article and all of that.

3:15:27So, um, I don't know if there would be a need to have a council action, but, uh, CA Lee, if if you, um, do determine that that would be something that would be helpful and/or necessary, I'd love to know for future.

3:15:39And I appreciate Natalie, thanks for being here.

3:15:41Also, I read your name in a lot of stuff, and so—.

Sameer Kanal 3:15:43 - 3:15:43

3:15:43Oh, sure.

Jamie Dunphy 3:15:43 - 3:17:34

3:15:43Yeah.

3:15:44Um, thank you, Council President.

3:15:46Thank you.

3:15:46Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

3:15:47Councilor Zimmerman.

3:15:49Uh, thank you, Mr. President.

3:15:50I appreciated everybody's comments and also eager to support this today.

3:15:55I think, you know, as I mentioned in my opening comments, the, the prospect— and frankly, I think the, the availability in downtown is very concerning for me.

3:16:04Um, I've also, you know, throughout my career I've been a part of, of big projects and projects that have things like PLAs and community benefits agreements and things of that nature, and none of that would have ever been achievable behind a closed door, right?

3:16:19None of that ever would.

3:16:20Our labor standards, our workforce initiatives, um, you know, the mitigation for any project going in near a big near a neighborhood or how you work, it never would've been achievable with an NDA and behind closed doors.

3:16:33And so I think this is just right on the mark and very similar to the points and the values that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney was highlighting.

3:16:42I think that we can also highlight those types of things that while we don't have perfect language of stopping, we do also, as a resolution, one of our roles is to urge, right?

3:16:54To urge the city administrator to consider certain things as we go forward.

3:16:59And I want to just highlight that as I do move Zimmerman 1, because I think that Zimmerman 1 allows us to kind of call some of those things out that can't be achievable if we do that behind NDA doors.

3:17:12And so I would appreciate any consideration for that amendment to, I think, even strengthen this, because I think it's been a great, a great showing, and I think we can make sure that if anything ever does find its way here, we set the standard for like what we would expect and how to mitigate all the things we can, um, so that we, we aren't in a place of what we've seen going on in other communities.

3:17:31Thank you.

3:17:32So I move Zimmerman 1.

Olivia Clark 3:17:34 - 3:17:35

3:17:34Second.

Jamie Dunphy 3:17:35 - 3:19:43

3:17:35Councilor Zimmerman moves Zimmerman 1 and Councilor Clark seconds.

3:17:39Uh, and this is— the Zimmerman 1 is pre-filed, it's available online.

3:17:45Um, colleagues, to the amendment.

3:17:47Discussion of the amendment.

3:17:49Councilor Green.

3:17:51Thank you.

3:17:52Thanks.

3:17:53Excuse me, long day.

3:17:54Thanks, Council President.

3:17:57Um, uh, thanks for pre-filing the amendment, Councilor Zimmerman, and motivating it.

3:18:00Um, I think, uh, it's nice to pre-file amendments and have an opportunity to read them.

3:18:06So just another plug for 3.02.

3:18:09Um, okay.

3:18:11Um, I like all the labor stuff you're doing in this.

3:18:15I, I think that we should be shouting, you know, registered state registered apprenticeship programs and PLAs from the rooftop every time we contemplate the city moving in relation to investments in our city.

3:18:28Uh, what I do— what I don't like though is it, it feels like it, it runs counter to the idea of doing a moratorium on these things.

3:18:38And I'm not sure that's necessarily your intent, but that's what I'm reading in it because it sort of talks about how it's— we can do these data centers, but we can do them responsibly.

3:18:49And that's hard for me to get past.

3:18:51And, you know, I know there's been items before, amendments before, where we're like, I like what you're selling, but I don't like how I'm buying it.

3:18:58And I think that's your terminology sometimes.

3:19:01But— and so if there was a way to If we could pull that piece out, I could be open to it.

3:19:04But, um, but I think as it stands, I, I can't get over the kind of the last whereas clause in particular.

3:19:16Okay, I appreciate that, um, responding.

3:19:18It was just a— as we've seen it come into other places, these communities where things happen before they know it is what I guess I was trying to address, which is we have a kind of a way of doing business and and so I hear that that wasn't the intent there.

3:19:33I read it differently.

3:19:34And I also recognize that I was not recognized, Council President, so I'll shut up there.

3:19:38Okay, you're welcome to respond.

3:19:39It was a direct comment.

3:19:40Cool.

3:19:41Thank you, Councilor Green.

3:19:42Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Keelan McClymont 3:19:44 - 3:20:21

3:19:44Thank you, Council President.

3:19:45Councilor Green, that's— I appreciate you saying that.

3:19:48I had read it really differently.

3:19:50And I had read, especially looking at that, resolved at the end, this is a really important interim step because the underlying— after the amendment that you and Councilor Koyama Lane proposed in committee, thank you for bringing that forward— we're directed to look at a ban or some sort of limiting conditions in the future, but we're not doing that yet.

3:20:16And so I saw this as filling in the interim space.

Jamie Dunphy 3:20:21 - 3:20:21

3:20:21Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 3:20:21 - 3:21:11

3:20:21Where until we get a ban or limiting conditions in place, we're saying, hey, in the meantime, if anything does move forward, it darn well better be with some conditions attached to it.

3:20:36And let's start that part of the discussion here and now.

3:20:39Let's make sure that if some of these things are moving— we've seen in the press that there is a group that's interested— before we can have that conversation, let's make sure that we're about a ban or a moratorium or limiting conditions, that we have, that we have some of those conditions in place.

3:20:54So I saw this as kind of an important piece for this interim period and, um, have planned to support it for that reason and, and hope that we can do something.

3:21:07I, I don't know what conversation the two of you are going to have, but that we can do something for the now.

Jamie Dunphy 3:21:11 - 3:21:12

3:21:11Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:21:14 - 3:21:17

3:21:14Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Jamie Dunphy 3:21:19 - 3:22:28

3:21:19I put myself in the queue.

3:21:20Councilor Zimmerman, I appreciate where you are going with this, but it does feel unrelated to me.

3:21:25It feels like a different answer to a different question.

3:21:29I feel like the resolution before us is saying the City Council and the City of Portland have concerns about data centers, and that in the absence of our ability to take decisive action about them, we are defaulting to a process of transparency, accountability, and public disclosure.

3:21:45I feel like your amendment then says, but if we are going to build them, they should be done this way.

3:21:51And I do think that we should, as a body, have an opportunity to say, if data centers are going to exist in our city, they should exist in this way.

3:21:59I feel like the core of what we're trying to accomplish, this is specifically saying that we care about the transparency on the front side, and this feels like a backside.

3:22:07Councilor Smith.

3:22:08So for that reason, I would vote no on the amendment, but I would be interested in potentially bringing forward another legislative action similar to that.

3:22:20Colleagues, is there any further comment on Zimmerman 1?

3:22:24Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll on Zimmerman 1?

Keelan McClymont 3:22:29 - 3:22:32

3:22:29Moved by Zimmerman, seconded by Clark.

3:22:31Koyama Lane?

Jamie Dunphy 3:22:33 - 3:22:33

3:22:33No.

Keelan McClymont 3:22:34 - 3:22:35

3:22:34No.

Jamie Dunphy 3:22:36 - 3:22:36

3:22:36Regretfully, no.

Keelan McClymont 3:22:38 - 3:22:38

3:22:38Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 3:22:40 - 3:22:40

3:22:40No.

Keelan McClymont 3:22:43 - 3:22:43

3:22:43Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 3:22:43 - 3:22:43

3:22:43No.

Keelan McClymont 3:22:52 - 3:22:54

3:22:52Absent.

Jamie Dunphy 3:22:57 - 3:22:57

3:22:57No.

Keelan McClymont 3:22:58 - 3:23:00

3:22:58I really want those interim conditions, guys.

3:23:00Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:02 - 3:23:02

3:23:02Yes.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:04 - 3:23:04

3:23:04Dunphy?

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:04 - 3:23:04

3:23:04No.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:05 - 3:23:11

3:23:05Uh, the amendment fails with a vote of 4 ayes, 7 nays, and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:13 - 3:23:21

3:23:13Okay, colleagues, is there any further discussion of the underlying resolution?

3:23:18Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 3:23:24 - 3:23:25

3:23:24Koyama Lane?

3:23:25Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:27 - 3:23:27

3:23:27Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:28 - 3:23:28

3:23:28Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:30 - 3:23:30

3:23:30Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:33 - 3:23:33

3:23:33Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:34 - 3:23:34

3:23:34Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:34 - 3:23:34

3:23:34Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:35 - 3:23:35

3:23:35Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:36 - 3:23:37

3:23:36Absent.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:37 - 3:23:37

3:23:37Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:39 - 3:23:39

3:23:39Aye.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:40 - 3:23:42

3:23:40Aye.

3:23:42Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:23:43 - 3:23:48

3:23:43The resolution is adopted with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

Jamie Dunphy 3:23:48 - 3:24:37

3:23:48Colleagues, before we adjourn today, I motion to reconsider the vote on document 2026-263.

3:23:54As I said earlier, I feel that there is still room for this item to move forward if there is reasonable effort to be made to find an enforcement and disclosure provision as a condition of approval that the parties and city attorney find acceptable.

3:24:06I would therefore move that we reconsider this item and that the appropriate work be done to amend this transfer agreement, a condition be adopted, and we move it then swiftly to a vote.

3:24:15May I have a second vote— a second for Second.

3:24:19Thank you, Councilor Clark— Vice President Clark.

3:24:22Colleagues, this is a debatable motion.

3:24:26To the queue.

3:24:27Councilor Knoll.

3:24:29Just a question, Council President.

3:24:30Should this be adopted— and I might have other questions later— should this be adopted, we would go immediately into the document?

Robert Taylor 3:24:38 - 3:24:38

3:24:38Correct.

Jamie Dunphy 3:24:39 - 3:26:58

3:24:39We have approved an ordinance, Ordinance 192094, on September 3rd, 2024, 5 that says that we cannot enter new items after 9:00 PM in a council evening meeting.

3:25:00It says council will complete consideration of the current items and then will continue to any consider— to consideration of any remaining emergency ordinances, 9/12 items, or adjournment.

3:25:09It does— I, I should note council may also suspend the rules to continue the meeting for other items.

3:25:15So we could do that, but I believe it would require 9 votes.

3:25:20City Attorney available?

3:25:21I, I'd just like somebody smarter than me to say that that's right.

3:25:38Hi, uh, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

3:25:42That, uh, that is correct.

3:25:44There is that ordinance that says, uh, if we start at 6 or later, we're going to end at 9, and if we go past 9, then we can't, uh, take up any, uh, new items except emergency ordinances and, and others that are listed.

3:26:01So here again, I think this is an issue for the, the, a ruling that the council president can make Um, and you could decide that the motion to reconsider is in order even though it's after 9 o'clock.

3:26:15Once the motion to recon— if the motion to reconsider carries, then under this ordinance that Councilor Kanal cited, we could not enter— we could not go into the discussion on that new item.

3:26:30That new item would have to get carried over.

3:26:32Okay.

3:26:34Thank you, Mr. Taylor.

3:26:47We're still in debate.

3:26:48So just to clarify, that means that, that we could still do the motion to reconsider if the chair rules that that's okay, but that we would not be able to debate it.

3:26:57We would have to leave the item and go to, to the next item.

Robert Taylor 3:26:58 - 3:26:58

3:26:58Yes.

Jamie Dunphy 3:27:01 - 3:27:22

3:27:01I think that type of ruling by the chair would be a way to accommodate both the motion and the rule.

3:27:09Okay, well, that is what the chair is going to do.

3:27:13I know, I'm sorry.

3:27:16I am ruling that the motion to reconsider is in order.

Keelan McClymont 3:27:22 - 3:27:25

3:27:22Can I ask one clarifying question?

Jamie Dunphy 3:27:25 - 3:27:27

3:27:25Yes, Councilor Morillo.

3:27:27Yes.

Keelan McClymont 3:27:27 - 3:27:44

3:27:27Okay, Robert, City Attorney, um, tried and true valiant warrior of the people up there with your legal knowledge.

3:27:36If we were to pass an amendment tonight, um, would we need 7 votes, or would we— is it the majority of the people sitting up here?

Jamie Dunphy 3:27:47 - 3:28:31

3:27:47It's— you, under the rules to amend an ordinance, you need 7 affirmative votes.

3:27:53Okay.

3:27:55To the issue we just talked about, if you— if because we're after 9 o'clock, we can't go into new items.

3:28:02So you can reconsider the ordinance that failed, bring it back to life, but then you're prohibited from actually taking action on it tonight.

3:28:11You would need to carry it over.

3:28:13That— yeah, okay.

3:28:15Thank you.

3:28:16That is what I am too.

3:28:17I am the chair is ruling that the motion to reconsider an item we've already heard is not considered new business, and I'd like to move, uh, forward.

3:28:25And Councilor Clark has already seconded.

3:28:30So more thoughts, Councilor?

Keelan McClymont 3:28:34 - 3:28:37

3:28:34Okay.

3:28:35I mean, so you're closing the item tonight, is that—.

Jamie Dunphy 3:28:40 - 3:30:50

3:28:40I am going to— I would like to vote on the motion to reconsider, and then I will be Uh, I'll— I mean, I will be blatant with all of my colleagues right now.

3:28:49My intention is to vote on the motion to reconsider.

3:28:52I will then, uh, immediately say that— I say that this item is continued to a future meeting, and I'm going to bang that gavel.

3:29:05So further discussion of the— Councilor Knoll.

3:29:12Okay, I just— because I think this is a good opportunity to clarify intent, and I appreciate you clarifying your intent, um, for this immediate moment.

3:29:24What's the intent beyond that?

3:29:25So this hypothetically gets reconsidered, should it— should this motion pass, uh, we end the meeting and then we move to a future meeting, ostensibly one of the next few.

3:29:37Yes.

3:29:38And then what, we just do the vote again, or is there a plan to do anything differently on the content of this thing?

3:29:45It is my hope, and I will be personally trying to work with the administration who put me in a position, that there is an opportunity for some further work on this.

3:29:53And I recognize, and I know that it may seem a little hollow because I, uh, you're still living it, but I do recognize it's a tough spot for you as the president in this moment.

3:30:02Um, so I, I want to acknowledge that, um, because I can only imagine what you've been hearing.

3:30:07Um, but I also would like to know, um, how I, I would like to hear before I take a vote on this an inclination from anybody who voted no on Councilor Murillo and Green's amendment that there is anything that you'd be willing to do to change this ordinance.

3:30:25That, that would make me more willing to vote yes on reconsideration, and I would like to know what that specifically would be.

3:30:31Um, and I think this is the best time to have that conversation.

3:30:34Thanks.

3:30:35Thank you, Councilor Coe.

3:30:37And we are again debating the motion to reconsider.

3:30:41Councilor Avalos.

3:30:41I'll note, Councilor Coe, it does allow the merits of the thing being reconsidered to be discussed.

3:30:47Oh, absolutely.

3:30:47No, I'm just, I'm just restating it for the purposes of the—.

Sameer Kanal 3:30:51 - 3:30:51

3:30:51Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:30:51 - 3:30:54

3:30:51Body.

3:30:51Yes, you were— you didn't do anything wrong.

3:30:53Councilor Avalos.

Keelan McClymont 3:30:57 - 3:31:13

3:30:57All right, so I'm hearing the intent, um, and when you say that you'll bang the gavel after it's continued on, so does it just go automatically to the next meeting that would be next Wednesday, or you have to reschedule?

Jamie Dunphy 3:31:13 - 3:31:21

3:31:13I will have to reschedule it.

3:31:14I will have to find the next available one, and there is no time currently available unless we move things around on the next— immediately next Wednesday.

3:31:20It's possible on the Thursday.

Keelan McClymont 3:31:26 - 3:31:28

3:31:26Okay.

3:31:26I think that's all.

3:31:27Thanks.

3:31:27Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:31:29 - 3:31:31

3:31:29Councilor Murillo.

Keelan McClymont 3:31:31 - 3:33:50

3:31:31Thank you.

3:31:32On the motion to reconsider, I agree with Councilor Knoll that I would like to hear some of my colleagues' feedback on— basically, we can keep doing a Groundhog Day where we have the same discussion over and over again and it ends up in the same result because we know that the mayor is not going to change his mind.

3:31:47Mayor is waiting for it to be the tiebreaker vote, and we know what his position is.

3:31:51But I would love to hear what my colleagues are willing to do or to change about the franchise transfer so that we can actually have a different result this time around.

3:32:01And I, I guess I'm sort of pleading with my colleagues because while it is very funny that Councilor Novick said he was progressive in the '80s and made jokes about his own age and stuff, I'm not progressive.

3:32:14The, the joke of the fact that some of the older people up here are not going to deal with the impacts of climate change the way that my generation is, is also actually very real.

3:32:26And there are people my age who are choosing not to have families and not have children because we don't know what type of world we're going to leave them with.

3:32:37And I say that because I feel like the same existential threat that many of us feel about AI and data centers and the poisoning of our water is the same existential threat that a lot of Portlanders feel about the Zenith oil train or I Squared's oil train or whoever's oil train it is in the future, what it could potentially do without an ability for the public to actually do enforcement on it.

3:33:05So I don't say that to put people in a difficult position.

3:33:09I'm sort of earnestly pleading as the youngest person on this council for you to consider the impacts on my generation and what's going to happen to us if we don't take some of these steps today when we have the opportunity to make things different.

3:33:24So I think the vote to reconsider for me is one of, are my colleagues willing to move on any of this?

3:33:32So that we can have stronger enforcement for the public.

3:33:36That's sort of what I'm asking for, and I'd love to hear folks, and I'm saying this in earnest, this is not a trap.

3:33:42I'm just really trying to figure out what we can do together to make this a little bit stronger so that the public and we can feel comfortable all moving this forward.

3:33:50Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:33:51 - 3:34:07

3:33:51Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

3:33:52Colleagues, I would just noting that it is 9:30 currently.

3:33:57And I did tell our staff we would be out of here hopefully by 9:30.

3:34:01So let's— this is a good conversation to be had, but I just would like to note that.

3:34:07Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Keelan McClymont 3:34:10 - 3:35:04

3:34:10Thank you, Council President.

3:34:11It's a little bit difficult to be asked what specifically we could support when we don't have proposals before us.

3:34:22We've had our attorneys tell us that there are some limitations, significant limitations to what you Councilor Smith.

3:34:28Thank you, Mayor.

3:34:28I think that we have a lot of limitations on what we can do on a franchise transfer, and I think we need to operate within those limitations.

3:34:34It's hard to avoid a Groundhog Day when there are folks who don't want to operate within those limitations, but I think that we should all always be willing to have conversations about what policy can look like to make sure that we can get a majority vote on things that are the business of the council.

3:34:53So I hope that everybody is thank you very much, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Jamie Dunphy 3:35:04 - 3:35:05

3:35:04Vice President Clark.

Keelan McClymont 3:35:05 - 3:35:32

3:35:05Thank you, Councilor President.

3:35:06Just really briefly, I appreciate your comments.

3:35:09Um, as the oldest member of the council, I think I'm already experiencing climate change.

3:35:14I'm already experiencing those things.

3:35:15We don't have to wait any longer.

3:35:18Um, and I would just say that sure, I'm open to looking at things, but as, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just mentioned, There are certain sideboards to this, and I think we have to respect that.

3:35:27But I'm always open to learning more, um, and I'll just leave it at that.

Jamie Dunphy 3:35:33 - 3:36:51

3:35:33Thank you, Vice President Clark.

3:35:33Councilor Novick.

3:35:36I just have to say that I find Councilor Morillo's assertion that anyone who disagrees with her on an issue relating to which company has a franchise agreement means that they don't care about climate change.

3:35:48Thank you, Councilor Novick.

3:35:49Councilor Kanal.

3:35:51So, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just say it's hard because we're trying to be responsible here.

3:36:02And, and when I say we, I do mean all of us who are here.

3:36:07Um, and also we have a resolved issue, maybe not to everyone's, uh, liking how it was resolved.

3:36:13There was a vote, and we're talking about reopening it.

3:36:16And it's— if it's going to be reopened just to change the outcome of the vote, that's not a good reason.

3:36:21And in fact, if you go into Robert's Rules, it actually says it's not just a good reason unless someone's actually changing their mind.

3:36:27It's, it's, uh, but if there's a reason to change it in, in terms of amending the document, that, that makes sense, and I, I appreciate that.

3:36:34The problem is we have no way of knowing that for obvious reasons.

3:36:38So I think in order to give my colleagues time to determine what it is that we could I would move to postpone the vote on reconsidering until next week.

3:36:49How does that work?

Keelan McClymont 3:36:51 - 3:36:56

3:36:51Point of information, Council President.

3:36:52I think we're in the middle of debate to a motion that you made.

Jamie Dunphy 3:36:57 - 3:37:44

3:36:57It's a great, great question.

3:37:00So there is a pending motion to reconsider.

3:37:04That pending motion to reconsider itself is subject to a subsidiary motion to postpone to a date certain.

3:37:15So you could vote to postpone the pending motion to reconsider until next week.

3:37:24So I, I would move to, to do that, uh, to, to postpone— I would move the subsidiary motion to postpone the vote on the main motion to reconsider Until next week.

3:37:36And if you need more specific than next week, I'm happy to provide that at a time of your choice.

3:37:40Councilor, by saying next week, we will go ahead and accommodate that if that is the will of the council.

Sameer Kanal 3:37:45 - 3:37:46

3:37:45Second.

Jamie Dunphy 3:37:46 - 3:38:29

3:37:46Okay, Councilor Kanal has made a subsidiary motion to postpone— um, it's 9:30, y'all, I'm sorry— postpone the vote on the motion to reconsider to next week, and Councilor Avalos has seconded.

3:38:00Is that right?

3:38:00Did I get that mostly correct?

3:38:02Thank you.

3:38:03Yes.

3:38:03Okay.

3:38:04Is this a debatable motion?

3:38:08It is debatable as to the time to which you are postponing.

3:38:14There we go.

3:38:15Okay.

3:38:16Okay.

3:38:17Councilor Zimmerman to the— okay.

3:38:20Colleagues, is there further discussion of Councilor Kanal's amendment or motion to postpone?

3:38:25Postpone the vote on the motion to reconsider.

3:38:29Councilor Avalos.

Keelan McClymont 3:38:31 - 3:39:17

3:38:31Yeah, I, I think that it's clear there are some concerns that people have about moving this forward right now due to everything we've already discussed.

3:38:41And so I think it's the most responsible thing to postpone it so that we can give all the councilors whatever comforts they need to make that decision.

3:38:51Um, and so So I, I think it is— I, I would urge my colleagues to, um, support this motion because, um, I also agree that I'm not at this point interested in voting to reconsider something that I have not seen any material change in people's opinions.

3:39:09Um, and so I would love to be able to make that judgment call with more information.

3:39:14It's impossible for me to do that now, so I would not vote to reconsider.

Candace Avalos 3:39:17 - 3:39:18

3:39:17Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 3:39:18 - 3:39:29

3:39:18Consider it today.

3:39:19I'd be open to it in the future.

3:39:20And so if that's what people want, then I would recommend we vote for this to postpone it so that we can make that possible next time.

3:39:27Otherwise, I'm just going to be a no on reconsidering.

3:39:29Thanks.

Jamie Dunphy 3:39:29 - 3:39:35

3:39:29Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

3:39:30Councilor Murillo.

3:39:32Oh, and yeah, go ahead.

3:39:34Just do it.

3:39:35Yeah, you're good.

Keelan McClymont 3:39:35 - 3:40:09

3:39:35Thank you.

3:39:36Um, yeah, I appreciate that approach so that we have some time to reconsider things.

3:39:41Um, I'm also just gonna lay a boundary here right now.

3:39:44Earlier, I think I spoke very calmly, nicely, and sort of made a plea for my generation about my experiences.

3:39:51And then another colleague reinterpreted my comments in a different way that was very negative.

3:39:56And again, having questions about my intentions and behavior.

3:39:59And I'm sort of done with that happening repeatedly to me and being chastised on council.

3:40:03So you can take my words at face value.

3:40:06There's really no subtext when I speak.

3:40:08Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 3:40:09 - 3:40:29

3:40:09Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

3:40:10Councilor Novick.

3:40:12There is no other way to interpret Councilor Morillo's words the way I interpreted them.

3:40:16Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and call a vote.

3:40:18Keelan, can we please call the vote on Councilor Kanal's motion to delay the vote on the motion to reconsideration to next week or something?

Keelan McClymont 3:40:30 - 3:40:33

3:40:30Moved by Kanal, seconded by Avalos.

3:40:32Koyama Lane.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 3:40:33 - 3:40:33

3:40:33Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:35 - 3:40:35

3:40:35Morillo.

Angelita Morillo 3:40:35 - 3:40:35

3:40:35Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:36 - 3:40:36

3:40:36Novick.

Steve Novick 3:40:37 - 3:40:37

3:40:37Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:38 - 3:40:38

3:40:38Clark.

Olivia Clark 3:40:39 - 3:40:39

3:40:39No.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:40 - 3:40:40

3:40:40Green.

Mitch Green 3:40:41 - 3:40:41

3:40:41Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:42 - 3:40:42

3:40:42Zimmerman.

Eric Zimmerman 3:40:43 - 3:40:43

3:40:43No.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:43 - 3:40:44

3:40:43Avalos.

Candace Avalos 3:40:44 - 3:40:44

3:40:44Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:45 - 3:40:45

3:40:45Smith.

Loretta Smith 3:40:46 - 3:40:46

3:40:46No.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:48 - 3:40:48

3:40:48Kanal.

Sameer Kanal 3:40:49 - 3:40:49

3:40:49Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:50 - 3:40:58

3:40:50Pirtle-Guiney.

3:40:51It's pretty clear to me this is the only way that we're going to be able to have this conversation, so aye.

3:40:58Ryan.

Dan Ryan 3:40:58 - 3:40:59

3:40:58No.

Keelan McClymont 3:40:59 - 3:41:00

3:40:59Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 3:41:00 - 3:41:00

3:41:00Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:41:01 - 3:41:04

3:41:01The motion carries with 8 ayes and 4 nays.

Jamie Dunphy 3:41:05 - 3:41:15

3:41:05The vote on the reconsideration will be moved to next week.

3:41:09We are adjourned.

3:41:10Am I right?

3:41:11Am I, am I good?

3:41:13Am I good, everybody?

3:41:14Okay, we're adjourned.

Keelan McClymont 3:41:15 - 3:41:19

3:41:15Oh, fucking hell.