City Council · afternoon

6:34Good evening.

6:35Before we get started tonight, we have a pre-gavel, so I am going to turn it over to Councilor Ryan to kick us off.

6:42Well, thank you, Council President.

6:44I have the pleasure of doing a pre-gavel for someone who was very, very special to the city.

6:50Each last 2 years we've had a dragon boat in the annual dragon boat races.

6:55And it was a team 2 years ago with my office and parks and a few other folks.

7:01And this year we had a council team.

7:04So I would like Erica Gibson to come up and I will read prepared remarks for you.

7:12And thank you for coming up to the podium.

7:15I just walked up.

7:16She's our coach.

7:17This is coach.

7:17I'm used to being in front of you, just on a boat yelling.

7:21You'll notice there's 4 of us that are wearing the t-shirts that we made for this event.

7:27Do you all want to stand up and model them?

7:30Yeah, there we go.

7:30That's nice.

7:31Yeah.

7:32So, and we'll get you one.

7:35Okay.

7:35And then you forgot yours.

7:37I did.

7:37Yeah.

7:37Okay.

7:38I forgot my— I'm sorry.

7:39That's okay.

7:40All right, I should get back on the script.

7:42The Portland City Council extends its sincere appreciation to Erica Gibson for her outstanding service as the dragon boat coach for the City Council team At the PKSCA.

7:53That means Portland Kaohsiung Sister Cities Association Dragon Boat Race, held as part of the Portland Rose Festival in partnership with our sister city, Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

8:04Erica brought strong, passionate leadership to this unique task.

8:08Can you imagine how unique this task is?

8:11Challenging the team to work together with focus, determination, and shared laughter.

8:16Her commitment to excellence, her clear desire to win while having fun, and her willingness to push past individual egos helped transform a group of councilors and staff into a synchronized and surprisingly competitive team.

8:32I'm laughing 'cause we kind of did get competitive towards the end.

8:35We really did.

8:36Imagine that.

8:37On the water, despite most of us being novice paddlers, the task of bringing diverse and strong personalities into rhythm is no small feat.

8:48And Erica met it head-on without hesitation.

8:51Her work extended beyond the boat itself, reminding us that synchronization, trust, and shared purpose are values we strive for, not only in sport, but also in our work together as a council body.

9:05Erica met us on our edges and at times challenged our team to break out of our comfort zones to improve the work that we were doing better together.

9:15An exercise good coaches know how to do with their teams.

9:21For Erica's leadership, dedication, and the spirit she brought to this experience, we offer our heartfelt thanks.

9:29Thank you, Erica, for being our coach.

9:33Thank you.

9:37You know, Councilor Kanal, we were talking about a facilitator for A, a said retreat in the, in the fall, it might need to be Erica.

9:45On that lovely note, the floor is yours.

9:48Hi guys, it's good to see you off the water.

9:51Um, I know you're used to yelling at me, but I don't want to intimidate everybody else in the room.

9:55They might get scared because this is not even my loudest volume, as you well know.

10:02They might hear me at the water if I yell.

10:04Um, gosh, you guys, this year coaching the team was challenging, as you all know, um, but you guys brought such joy to me during that time.

10:15Like, just meeting all of you and getting to hang out with you, getting to scold you a little bit was a little bit empowering, you know.

10:21No, you don't often get to just yell at council members and get away with it.

10:26Like, they get— they tend to get mad when you do that, but I got to, and it was just— it was a big joy.

10:32And for the And for the dragon boat community as a whole, it was huge having you guys out there and seeing what we do because it's huge in the community.

10:39Like, Portland has a really big dragon boat community that's really full of, as you guys saw, full of really special people who care a lot about the sport.

10:47And I'm just really glad that you guys got a chance to do it.

10:50And I'm so happy that I got to coach all of you.

10:54And I just wasn't expecting this.

10:57So thank you very much.

10:59I did bring you guys all little dragons.

11:00Oh, wow.

11:01So I want every one of you to come pick a dragon.

11:04But yeah, thank you guys for letting me coach you and letting me yell at you.

11:07And I really hope you guys make a team next year.

11:10And those of you who weren't on the boat, better see you.

11:13It's fascinating.

11:14It's the— it's in the middle.

11:15I know.

11:16I'm like, I better see you all out there 'cause I'm seeing a lot of people that weren't on my boat.

11:22And that's a problem for me 'cause we—.

11:25So Coach, do you wanna get some commitments from everybody?

11:28Yeah, yeah.

11:29So hi, Jamie.

11:30They could vote aye or nay.

11:31You in?

11:33No.

11:33Sorry.

11:34Why?

11:34I don't like water.

11:36Okay, but you're not in it, you're on top of it.

11:38I'm scared of it.

11:39These are really stable boats.

11:41I'll, I'll like yeet you out the water.

11:43All of these guys to keep me in that little boat?

11:44No, you have to trust me.

11:46Just me.

11:48Wow.

11:49I know who I'm not voting for, but that's fine.

11:51Loretta.

11:52This is off to a good start.

11:54Loretta, you in?

11:56No, ma'am.

11:57What do you mean no?

12:01I already told Councilor Ryan I don't swim.

12:04I don't get in waters I don't know.

12:05You don't have to.

12:06I don't fool with stuff that I can't control.

12:08Okay, here's the thing.

12:11I can control those dragon boats, and I'm gonna tell you right now, you're not going in the water.

12:15Those things are stable.

12:17Can I be your cheerleader on the, on the bank?

12:19Only if you get on the boat.

12:20I want to just be on the banks and be your cheerleader.

12:23I would love for you to just get on the boat one time.

12:26I'm gonna convince you guys.

12:27Okay, that was progress.

12:28Okay, it was, it was.

12:30Sameer?

12:30Yeah?

12:31You got to be, and you have the shirt.

12:33Dan, I know you're in.

12:34All right.

12:35Aye.

12:36I'm in.

12:37Yes!

12:38Tiffany?

12:39I'm in as long as we're very clear about the expectations and when people are supposed to show up and all of that, and everyone knows what they're committing to.

12:49We need a quorum on this boat.

12:50We do.

12:51We do.

12:51So we can make it go.

12:53I think I'm going to have to like come in and coordinate starting in like April.

12:57Yeah, just be like, okay guys, we're getting this together.

12:59Angelita?

13:00I'm obviously in.

13:01It was really good to not be the last vote, and I think it was because I joined on the last day.

13:05I'm just saying.

13:06I mean, I, I don't want to say that you're probably contributing.

13:09I figured you remembered me.

13:10Of course, muscles from pushing the boat so hard.

13:13Of course I remembered you.

13:14Steve, are you joining us?

13:17I, I shouldn't hold this against the whole sport, and I really don't, but my evil ex-wife was a big dragon boater, so I've got bad associations with it.

13:25Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, that's that's the best reason I've heard so far.

13:28You guys should have come up with a story about your exes.

13:30I would have been like, okay, that's, that's fair and reasonable.

13:32Oh my God.

13:33I don't like Steve's ex either.

13:34But like, also, you can wear a mask and no one will know.

13:39You can dress up as a dragon.

13:40I love this idea for us.

13:42I got you, man.

13:43Everyone.

13:44Councilor Clark.

13:44Wait, Councilor Clark, she's on.

13:46Oh, is, is Councilor Clark on?

13:48Yeah.

13:48She was supposed to be on the team.

13:49What happened to that?

13:51She's coming.

13:52Oh, sorry.

13:53It's all about the timing.

13:54It's all about timing.

13:57So what about next year, 2026?

14:00Well, just—.

14:00It's about the timing.

14:01We'll just have to see.

14:02It's in June.

14:04That's a yes.

14:05You'll get there.

14:06Mitch?

14:06I'm going to preface this by saying I've never met, uh, Councilor Novick's ex-wife, but I'm happy to get into the sport.

14:13You have my commitment.

14:14Yes!

14:15I was like, if you say you don't like his ex-wife either, I am leaving this building immediately.

14:21Is Eric on?

14:22Where's Eric?

14:25Slacker.

14:26He'll be a yes.

14:27He'll be a yes.

14:28I yelled at him once.

14:29He loved it.

14:30I was like, he enjoyed it.

14:31He liked being yelled at, right?

14:33Great.

14:33So how are we going to get these dragons that you've said you want to give to us?

14:36Come get them.

14:37I don't know how this works.

14:39I was like, I don't know what it's like to be—.

14:41Councilor, would you like me to start the meeting very slowly so that people can grab a dragon?

14:46Yeah.

14:46Anyway, thank you so much.

14:48I think we have some flowers for Erica.

14:51And let's give some love once again to Erica Gibson, our dragon boat coach.

14:56Hey, thank you.

14:58I mean, I just got one a little bit up there, so— and it's a great way to have some holiday, um, joy before we start the meeting.

15:05I already got one.

15:07Thanks for letting me take up the start of your meeting.

15:09You better wear those shirts for the whole entirety of the meeting.

15:13Yes, Coach.

15:14I'm going to rewatch this later, and if you guys take them off, you will pay next year.

15:19More like ridiculous.

15:20Thanks, Coach.

15:22Thanks, guys.

15:23And thank you, Councilor Ryan, for bringing us this pre-gavel.

15:28I will call to order our City Council meeting.

15:31It is 6:10 on Wednesday, December 17th.

15:36This is our last meeting of the year.

15:39Keelan, could you please call the roll?

15:41Good evening, Clerk.

15:44Here.

15:48Here.

15:51Present.

15:54Marillo.

15:58Here.

16:00Novick.

16:01Here.

16:02Here.

16:02Here.

16:04And is that mic back there?

16:06Could you please read the rules of order and decorum for us?

16:09Yes, Madam President.

16:11Welcome to the Portland City Council.

16:13To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

16:23Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

16:27Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

16:31Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

16:34The presiding officer preserves order.

16:35Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations questions will not be allowed.

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16:47Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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16:55Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

16:59Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

17:02When testifying, state your name for the record.

17:05Your address is not necessary.

17:07If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

17:09Thank you, Mayor.

17:10Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

17:14Thank you.

17:20Colleagues, before we begin our agenda, I want to just make a couple of notes.

17:26Tonight is our last council meeting of the year and our last evening meeting of the year.

17:32And as we've discussed at other meetings, we know that these evenings are a huge lift for our amazing operations staff, and we know that we have pushed them a lot with our schedule this year in general.

17:44I want to take a moment before we dive in to thank every single one of them for their time and effort this year.

17:51We would not be able to be successful if it were not for the teams that provide us support, from security to tech to ensuring public testimony runs smoothly and so much other work.

18:02Thank you.

18:03These folks are the reason that the public is able to participate with us at our meetings.

18:11I am sure I'm going to leave somebody off the list, and I want to apologize in advance for that, but I want to make sure that we thank tonight before we lose anybody in the room our security team: Lieutenant Steven Bjornsen, Sergeant Mario Guzman, Adam Quince, Todd Davis, Mike Hofftaling, Tyler Cooper, Ah San Alm and Ben Aquino.

18:33Our BTS team, Adam Kopernol, Aaron Johnson, and William Neville.

18:38Sharon Thomas and her team upstairs with Open Signal.

18:42Keelan McClymont and your team in the Clerk's Office.

18:46Dana Richardson and your team in Council Operations, not always as present in this room, but a huge part of each of our committee meetings and here to help report out from those meetings.

18:57Today.

18:59Thank you all for everything you have put into the first year of this council operating.

19:05We know that we couldn't have done this without all of you.

19:08Um, I am incredibly grateful and hope that I can speak for the whole council in saying that we value your work, your service to Portland, your service to keeping democracy representative, to keeping it accessible, and to making sure that this is Councilor Green, is your hand up for before we move any further?

19:35Yeah, and I'm sorry, I just, I noticed that there's a high school student from Lincoln High School here, and I try to always recognize when students come out and just say hello.

19:45Xander came down to City Hall yesterday with some students to speak their voice, and I was really inspired.

19:51So I just want to say hi, Xander.

19:52Thanks for coming today.

19:54Thank you, Councilor.

19:55And Xander, thank you for being here with us this evening.

19:59Councilor Kanal, are you in the queue for before we move any further?

20:02I'm in the queue for the agenda.

20:04Okay.

20:05That's what I have.

20:06Perfect.

20:08Colleagues, the first item on the agenda is agenda approval, and I'd like to make a quick note about the agenda before we move any further.

20:15And then Councilor Kanal, I will call on you as well.

20:19Following the approval of the consent agenda, we will take up items 8 and 9, which are the regularly scheduled items this evening.

20:34Because today's agenda was a little bit lighter than expected, we have worked with staff to make sure that we have the right people in the room to then add agenda items 11 and 12, which were previously scheduled for tomorrow.

20:47Thank you.

20:48To tonight's agenda instead.

20:50Tomorrow's agenda was pretty heavy and was pushing our limits of fitting within the time.

20:55So we're going to take those up tonight.

20:57I think we will be able to do that in our allotted time and still get out of here without running late.

21:03I want to thank the Clerk's Office, Council Operations, and our administrative staff for being willing to make those changes and assure you all that at the time those changes were made and posted publicly, there was not anyone signed up from the public to testify, so we hopefully have not inconvenienced any members of the public with that change.

21:24I will also note that tomorrow we will start with a time-certain item, item 10, and then take up our regularly scheduled items 13 and 14, followed by 2 appointments which were pulled from the consent agenda, though I believe we may have a councilor ask to reorder those portions of the agenda.

21:44Councilor Kanal, do you have comments on the agenda order?

21:48Yeah, thank you for those clarifications, Madam President.

21:50I would request that we hear items 5 and 6, which are currently at the end of tomorrow's agenda, at the top of tomorrow's regular agenda, just so that there can be predictability for appointees and staff who would be presenting.

22:05So colleagues, items 5 and 6 have been pulled off of the consent agenda.

22:10This would mean that we would still hear today's full agenda plus items 11 and 12 tonight.

22:16Tomorrow we would start with the time-certain item 10 still, then hear items 5 and 6, and then move on to the regularly scheduled agenda items 13 and 14.

22:27Are there any objections to that proposal?

22:29No.

22:31Okay, can we get unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

22:35Okay, Keelan, I don't see any dissension, so we'll move forward.

22:41Thank you for that, um, complicated reordering there, folks.

22:46The next item on our agenda is public communication.

22:49Keelan, can you please call up our first guest?

22:53First up, we have Joseph Joe.

23:00Welcome.

23:00Thank you for joining us tonight.

23:05Thank you.

23:06So yeah, my name is Joseph Jobb.

23:08I live in District 4 here in downtown, actually not too far from here.

23:13I'm the secretary of— secretary of the Downtown Neighborhood Association, and I'm also a reservist for FEMA.

23:20However, I did not come here for, for either FEMA or on the behalf of the DNA.

23:26I came So I've lived in— I have lived off 11th and Jefferson since I moved to Portland from Atlanta 3 years ago.

23:36And I used to work for COTA, a local methadone clinic, as well as, of course, FEMA.

23:43FEMA.

23:44But when the federal government got gutted and the agency, well, fell into the wayside, that ended up destroying at least 60% of my income.

23:54And even though I've been living in what was considered an affordable housing unit, I've found myself having to move simply because, simply because I got priced out and wanted to talk about just the economic situation of the city.

24:11City jobs are really hard to come by, especially high-paying jobs, let alone high-paying jobs, and would like to understand what exactly the council's vision is for the future of this city to bring back jobs, to bring back prosperity, not just, not simply for economic development, but economic mobility as well.

24:36For what, to be able to get people off the streets or be able to get jobs that actually pay to be able to match the cost of living here.

24:46I love Portland.

24:47I could not see myself living in any other city at this point in time.

24:51Thank you.

24:53And since, since then, I've gotten a job with Amazon as a safety specialist, and I've heard the grievances that my coworkers talk about when it came to affordability, including one of my coworkers who's one who's a part of the management team and is a single mother, but was talking about having to skip meals for her child to even have a present for Christmas, or one of my coworkers who.

25:17Who had literally dropped dead, dead, because of a medical emergency.

25:24And he was the sole breadwinner of his family.

25:29But yet they all were talking about how they cannot afford to live, not really anywhere.

25:38And I would like to know, do you guys have a plan just to fix the city's economy to help Do they really help allow for economic growth?

25:51Thank you.

25:52Thank you very much for being here.

25:54Thank you for sharing your coworkers' stories.

25:56I know this is something that multiple people at the dais want to make sure we dig in on more next year.

26:05Next up, we have Edie Rogoway.

26:20Edie?

26:20Carrie Babin?

26:24Carrie's joining us online.

26:28Welcome, Carrie.

26:29Thank you for joining us.

26:31Carrie, you're muted.

26:38Carrie, are you able to unmute?

26:48Let's—.

26:49Okay, it looks like Carrie is rejoining.

27:00Carrie, can you hear us?

27:03I can hear you.

27:03Is it?

27:04Yeah, I think I see myself now too.

27:05So I think it's working.

27:06Sorry about that.

27:10Should I just go ahead?

27:12Yeah, go ahead.

27:12Thanks.

27:13So, yeah, good afternoon.

27:15My name is Carrie Baben, and I'm a member of the New Portlanders Policy Commission, the NPPC.

27:21The NPPC is an advisory board that advises City Council on policies and actions that affect immigrant and refugee communities in our city.

27:28I am a humanitarian services professional, and I have worked in various capacities over the past 20 years to make our city a welcoming community for new Portlanders.

27:37I'm here tonight on behalf of the commission to speak about an urgent and increasing risk facing our immigrant communities and the responsibility that we have to act now.

27:46Across Portland, many new Portlanders are losing or at high risk of losing the humanitarian protections that they have relied on to legally live, work, when these protections disappear, without access to legal support, families are pushed into undocumented status where they become far more vulnerable to exploitation, detention, and deportation.

28:08This vulnerability is not accidental.

28:10Current federal enforcement practices are actively expanding the undocumented population, creating conditions to easily target, detain, and deport hardworking, law-abiding individuals.

28:20Thank you.

28:21And families.

28:22We are seeing an increased fear of everyday activities like going to work, taking public transit, seeking medical care, or even reporting crimes.

28:31Families are being destabilized, and entire communities who call Portland home are living in fear.

28:37As members of the NPPC, we hear directly from community members who are navigating one of the most complex legal systems in the country without representation.

28:46Often in a language that is not their first, while simultaneously facing life-altering consequences.

28:52Many in our community qualify for a variety of immigration protections, but without legal counsel, they lose the opportunity to apply for those protections.

29:01Legal support is often the difference between safety and separation, between stability and detention.

29:08The City of Portland has long committed to being a welcoming and sanctuary city.

29:12And while immigration policy and enforcement happens at the federal level, our city is not powerless to support our vulnerable New Portlander population.

29:20This moment calls for immediate action, for the city to intervene where there— while there are still New Portlanders who can be protected and before more harm can be done.

29:29We have the opportunity to expand access to immigration legal services for those at the greatest risk.

29:35This is not about creating special privileges.

29:38It's about preventing predictable, avoidable harm, preserving family unity, and upholding the dignity, safety, and humanity for all Portlanders who are deeply woven into the fabric of our city.

29:48Thank you for your leadership and for your attention to this.

29:52Thank you very much for elevating this today for us.

29:56Next up, we have Mary Karam.

30:05Welcome.

30:06Thank you for being here.

30:08Thank you.

30:11Good evening, um, Council President, Vice President, and members of City Council.

30:16My name is Mary Karam, and I'm a member of the New Portlanders Policy Commission, the NPPC.

30:23I am a Syrian immigrant as well as a domestic relations attorney that practices in the tri-county area.

30:30Um, similar to Carrie, I'm here on behalf of the commission to speak on concrete steps the city can take to protect new Portlanders facing increased harm from immigration enforcement.

30:43In September, some members of the City Council asked the commission to provide recommendations for how the city could expand protections for new Portlanders through low-cost access to immigration legal services.

30:57In response, the commission collaborated with SOAR Immigration Clinic, Immigration Legal Services, to identify practical, cost-effective approaches that build on the city's existing partnerships.

31:11What makes this proposal especially important is the immediacy.

31:17It focuses on people who have lost or who will soon lose legal humanitarian protections and are therefore at high risk of detention or deportation.

31:28The proposal does not require creating a new system.

31:31It in fact straightens— strengthens the city's current intergovernmental agreement and expands collaboration with trusted providers such as the SOAR Clinic and PCC Clear Clinic.

31:44As you can imagine, the demand for legal services has far exceeded capacity, and even modest investments into these organizations can prevent irreversible harm in these communities.

31:57We've seen this across the country and even here in Oregon, where cities and counties have passed emergency declarations to fund legal services.

32:06Access to immigration legal services is a proven preventative measure.

32:11It keeps families together, reduces unnecessary detention, and stabilizes communities, often at a far lower cost than the consequences of inaction.

32:22By endorsing and supporting our recommendation, City Council has an opportunity to act decisively, uphold Portland's sanctuary city values, and ensure that new Portlanders are not left unprotected during a period of escalating federal law enforcement intervention.

32:42Thank you for your continued partnership with the commission and for your commitment to justice and equity for all Portlanders.

32:48Thank you.

32:49Thank you.

32:50Thank you very much.

32:57Next up, we have Caroline Vander Harten.

33:04Thank you.

33:05Good evening.

33:06My name is Caroline Vander Harten, and I'm the director of SOAR Immigration Legal Services, a program of Ecumenical Ministries of Oregon.

33:13I'm also an attorney and have been practicing law for over 20 years.

33:15Practicing immigration law for more than 17 years.

33:18The City of Portland can immediately support immigrants who have lost or will soon lose humanitarian protections as a result of the Trump administration's executive orders by expanding access to immigration legal services.

33:29SOAR Legal has been providing immigration legal aid and education since 1992.

33:34Each year, between our Portland and Hillsboro offices, we serve over 3,000 low-income immigrants from over 80 different countries.

33:41I can tell you we have never seen it this bad, and unfortunately we know that this is just the beginning.

33:48Our office is receiving over 100 calls every single day from the community seeking legal help.

33:54The immigrant community is living in a state of perpetual fear due to the executive orders and the increased expansive and arbitrary ICE enforcement actions.

34:03People are afraid to take their children to school.

34:05They're afraid to on Inauguration Day in January, President Trump signed executive orders aimed at terminating various humanitarian immigration statuses.

34:18Many of the immigrants targeted by these and subsequent status-stripping executive orders have been here for decades, and they're now at risk.

34:26Thousands of Oregonians, many of whom call Portland home, have either had their humanitarian statuses stripped or at risk of having the status stripped.

34:32Councilor Smith.

34:33Or terminated in 2026 by this administration.

34:38To make matters worse, during these times of confusion, chaos, and quick-changing policies, notarios and other unscrupulous individuals and scammers take advantage of the confusion to scam vulnerable community members, provide misinformation, and oftentimes increase the risk of deportation to these communities.

34:56But the good news is there's something that we can do.

34:58Many of these humanitarian temporary status holders are qualified for some path to citizenship.

35:04And the City of Portland can help by increasing access to free immigration legal services so that these families will not be at risk of deportation.

35:11Under the City of Portland's IGA with Portland Community College, SOAR provides free legal services, but with current funding, our services are already booked out into March.

35:20By increasing access to immigration legal services, the city can provide hope to families.

35:24I'm available to answer questions about the proposal to increase immigration legal services through the city's partnership with PCC and SOAR.

35:31Thank you so much for the work that the city is doing, for your leadership to protect our community, and for the opportunity to speak today.

35:40Thank you very much for rounding out the information there for us.

35:44We appreciate having you here.

35:47I'm going to call the alternate that we had listed since we had public communication not come, is Julie Winters.

36:00Here.

36:01Julie Winters.

36:04Okay, that completes communications.

36:09Thank you, Keelan.

36:12Colleagues, the next item on our agenda is the committee referral list.

36:18Um, over the last— since our last meeting, I referred requiring the Deputy City Administrator for Public Safety, to provide a report on police officer recruitment goals and costs to Community and Public Safety.

36:32Establishing a City Council governance handbook to the Governance Committee.

36:37Annexing the 5048 Southwest Hilltop Lane property to Climate Resilience and Land Use.

36:43Adding nondiscrimination requirements for single occupancy restrooms in places of public accommodation to Arts and Economy.

36:49Adding code to establish city data and privacy offices to the Community and Public Safety Committee.

36:56Adding appointed boards, commissions, and committee code to the Governance Committee.

36:59Confirming appointment of members to the Portland Elections Commission to the Governance Committee.

37:03Assessing property for sidewalk, curb, and driveway repair, um, for Portland Bureau of Transportation, 2 items to the Finance Committee.

37:12Amending the intergovernmental agreement with Multnomah County for the Revenue Division to administer preschool for all taxed finance and requesting the City Budget Office provide balanced program offer information for Portland Parks and Rec to the Finance Committee as well.

37:28That moves us to the consent agenda.

37:30And as a reminder, items 5 and 6 were pulled off of the consent agenda.

37:34So the consent agenda includes agenda items 4 and 7.

37:38Keelan, can you please call the roll?

37:40Clark.

37:41Aye.

37:42Green.

37:43Aye.

37:44Zimmerman.

37:45Absent.

37:46Aye.

37:48Benafi?

37:50Aye.

37:50Smith?

37:51Aye.

37:51Aye.

37:52Noll?

37:53Aye.

37:54Ryan?

37:55Aye.

37:55McLean?

37:57Aye.

37:58Murillo?

37:59Aye.

37:59Novick?

38:00Aye.

38:01Pirtle-Guiney?

38:02Aye.

38:03The consent agenda is approved with 11 yes votes and 1 absent.

38:08Thank you, Keelan.

38:09That moves us, colleagues, to our regular agenda.

38:13Keelan, could you please call agenda item 8, the first item on our regular agenda?

38:19Adopt Homelessness Response System Action Plan and Key Performance Indicators.

38:30Thank you, Keelan.

38:32As a quick refresher, colleagues, and an update for anybody who has not followed this item through our process, yes.

38:42We act under an intergovernmental agreement, an IGA, with Multnomah County to guide joint homelessness response efforts that requires us or allows us to meet jointly a few times a year in work session and also has us move forward on some joint programs together.

39:04What we have before us today is draft KPIs to approve.

39:10And this is an item that we first heard in work session with our county colleagues last month.

39:18We reviewed the KPIs, provided some feedback, and mentioned at that time that the county would be approving the KPIs and then they would come before us.

39:29I'll note that these started with the oversight Committee, which has county and city representation, but I think equally important to note, has representation from the community as well, where they helped to develop these KPIs, which then came before us for discussion and then again to the county for a vote and to us here.

39:53This is just one piece of the larger set of work happening between the city and the county.

39:59But I think it is an important piece.

40:01We've noted up here many times that having more measurable outcomes will help us do our work better, and this is one way for us to do that.

40:10I want to thank everyone on the Steering and Oversight Committee for their work putting these together so that they could come before us.

40:18I support moving this forward today as we continue to strengthen our relationship and the work together, and we'll have more to to say on that in my remarks later on, but just wanted to set up this item a bit before we jump into public communication and question and answer and discussion.

40:38Because this came out of a work session, we don't have a committee staff summary.

40:44And the mayor and I brought this forward, I believe, and he is not here today for a carrier report.

40:51Keelan, do we have anybody signed up for public testimony?

41:00No one signed up.

41:01Okay, Councilor Zimmerman, you sit on the Steering and Oversight Committee with the mayor on behalf of the city.

41:08Before we move to questions and discussion— and I see we have, um, our experts up here for questions— is there anything that you would like to share?

41:16I'll do an expert.

41:18We have our staff up here.

41:21They're pretty smart.

41:22And good at what they do.

41:24Yeah, thanks, Madam President.

41:28Uh, I think that this first year, new government, a lot of new staff, it has been, it has been a long journey.

41:37I think that, uh, there is a lot that the SOC, the community team, the implementation team all want to get done.

41:46Um, and I would say that for the first time in a few years, I think we're in a place where the KPIs have been put down, but also we're in a place where we can actually move through disagreements.

41:57And I think it has been a long time since that existed.

42:00That makes sense to me.

42:02And I say that because we're in a place where I think we have a staff who, and a team frankly between both entities and the City of Gresham as well, a team who is trying to help us understand If we put effort into one part of this system, what is it?

42:21How does it move the lever on other parts of the system?

42:24And we're having, I think, more coherent conversations in that.

42:27So from that perspective, I don't expect that all KPIs are gonna meet everybody's needs.

42:33What I do think is that we are getting closer to a set of KPIs that support an ecosystem that has better outcomes.

42:41Thank you.

42:42And it has included some things that used to be perhaps taboo in the Portland polite to talk about, and they're being talked about now.

42:50So I offer that to you because I don't think that when Jillian and the team present today that they're going to say that their plan is perfect.

42:58I don't think that they're going to say that there is no disagreement.

43:00I think what they're saying is like, this is a tough part of our community that has a lot of segmented parts of the community, and they need— And they need to be addressed.

43:10Segmented KPIs to help us get there.

43:12And we're looking at the overall things that help move people out of the system or to make sure that the system that exists is ready to receive them.

43:20So with that, I think having the staff present will be helpful.

43:24Thank you, Councilor.

43:25And Mr. Mayor, you are technically the carrier on this item.

43:29Is there anything that you'd like to say before we move into questions and discussion?

43:33Thank you, Council President, Council Vice President, and colleagues.

43:36Thank you for this opportunity.

43:38Just a few words.

43:40I've had the great pleasure of working with the county, with Jillian and her team, for really the last several months.

43:46The KPI project, it's big.

43:48It's a lot of data.

43:49It's a lot of information, and we've put a lot of good work into it.

43:53But I'd be the first to say that it still has a lack of focus on the overall continuum.

44:01Thank you.

44:01It's important information that I think I think is being brought forward.

44:06But I want to also stress that in working with the county and Jillian specifically and the ATRAP, they're open-minded to adding more.

44:15So I don't think that we're looking at a finite group of information.

44:19We're going to have and track these KPIs.

44:22Jillian and the SOC have agreed to go beyond that and to look at continuous improvement on different KPIs.

44:30To list them, to really focus on what measurables are today, and to make sure the KPIs we have meet the eye test of what's happening on the streets as well.

44:40And so I'm looking forward to it.

44:42I'm supporting it.

44:43They've agreed to continue to make changes, not just on these KPIs, but to add as well.

44:48So I'm encouraged about the chapter ahead.

44:52Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

44:53Colleagues, we did receive a presentation on these in work sessions, so we are going to move into questions and conversation.

45:02But as I noted, we have our staff here with us.

45:05So if there are questions, we can make sure to get those answered.

45:08Councilor Dunphy, go right ahead.

45:10Thank you.

45:10And thank you to everybody who presented and has given me some private briefings and answered some follow-up questions.

45:17A lot of work has gone into this, and I agree with everything Councilor Zimmerman said.

45:20I also agree with what the mayor said.

45:23This is the direction we should be moving.

45:24We need to be having key performance indicators.

45:27For those at home who don't speak acronyms, We should be having set goals and we should be following up on what those mean.

45:34That said, I will be voting no on this today, and it is in no part due to anybody sitting up here.

45:39But as I said during the joint work session, if the KPI document and the goal document fell off of my giant pile of papers on my desk, my staff would have no way of knowing they are related.

45:53The—.

45:54The plan is attempting to do many things, and it does none of them particularly well.

45:59There are some bizarre one-offs that clearly are now stated as goals that are obviously reflective of conversations that happened in these workgroups but are not themselves goals.

46:13There's a goal in here about self-certification.

46:16Self-certification of developments is not going to reduce homelessness in any capacity.

46:20It is one step of the thank you.

46:27I think that these goals and the KPIs are deeply unrelated to each other, and they lack a clear focus or an overarching goal tied to measurable impacts.

46:38We are being asked to approve goals that do not have numbers attached to them.

46:44This is an enormously complicated process.

46:47This is an enormously complicated system, and homelessness is the most complicated challenge that I think we will likely have to deal with, arguably more complicated in many ways in the immediate than climate change.

47:01If we can't prioritize, costs are going to continue to rise, and we're going to see the number— an increase in the number of people sleeping on our streets.

47:08In the report, we saw that the track we are on right now, if we don't nearly double our investment in our homeless services response, that we won't see measurable reductions in homelessness for years.

47:27Additionally, I just, I think it is worth noting that the point-in-time count showed that 94% of the people who were surveyed in Multnomah County that night as being unsheltered were in Portland.

47:40And I agree with Commissioner Singleton, dollars should follow the need, and the need is here.

47:47Portland needs real support from the county to ensure that resources are proportionally focused here.

47:54I understand that this is the direction we are going.

47:56We have not nailed it yet, and this is so important, and this is our opportunity for the next year to say what we are going to do and how we're going to do it.

48:05And this isn't it for me, and so I will be voting no today and encourage you all to follow your hearts.

48:11Thank you.

48:11Councilor thank you, Councilor.

48:13Councilor Novick.

48:16So I did not propose amendments.

48:19I think it's probably too late to propose amendments to the KPIs.

48:22And I apologize for this, but I wanted to mention a couple that I would propose if I weren't too late.

48:30One is, and this obviously is inspired in part by the article in Willamette Week about the huge vacancy rate well, that Home Forward has is I would've liked to have a KPI to reduce vacancy rates for affordable housing to below the overall vacancy rate for housing.

48:49That sort of presumes that the vacancy rate is higher than the overall for housing, but I kind of, based on the anecdotal things I've seen, I think it might be.

48:57In fact, I talked to a developer the other day who said the units where I have vacancies are my affordable units.

49:03Yeah.

49:03And I talked to another developer who said that the nonprofits do a really lousy job of marketing the existence of their affordable units, and people don't know they exist.

49:12So that is a question which, I mean, again, I think it's too late to add it to the KPIs, but how many vacancies there are in affordable units is something I think we should be tracking.

49:23Another thing is more of a conceptual one.

49:25It might be hard to make it a real KPI, but what I came up with is compare Portland/Multnomah County's level of homelessness with that of other cities or counties accounting for, one, shortage of affordable housing, and two, amount of money spent to address homelessness.

49:43What I mean by that is I think that homelessness is driven by a lack of housing affordability.

49:50The rents are too high.

49:52I think that we can find other cities, maybe Boston, maybe Seattle, which have similar problems in terms of rent compared to incomes, in terms of shortage of affordable housing as a percentage of overall housing, etc.

50:05And what I would like to know is, um, compare their statistics to ours and see if money is making a difference.

50:15Like, if other things being equal, Boston and Seattle should have the same level of homelessness we do, and we spend you know, 3 times as much as either of them do and we still have higher homelessness, then we suck.

50:28On the other hand, if they're spending 3 times as much as we do and their level of homelessness is higher than ours, then they suck.

50:33But I haven't seen those comparisons, and I think they do exist.

50:38I mean, at one point I asked the Joint Office, tell us what the natural level of homelessness would be given our housing shortage.

50:47Is there a sort of indicator of here's what you would expect the level of homelessness to be, um, given, uh, the cost of housing and the absence of housing, and see how we compare to that expected level of homelessness.

50:59Um, that might not be possible, but one thing I think we— although I'd like it— one thing I think we can do, and maybe this is like a research report rather than a KPI, is let's look at other cities that also have affordability problems, look at what they're doing, thank you, Madam President.

51:36I guess I'll start with just a thank you and also a question.

51:40You know, we had this first discussed, I believe it was November 18th-ish, somewhere in that ballpark.

51:45We had the work session on this, and I wanted to know from your side what actually changed from then till now.

51:54We don't have a redline version of any of this, so I'm just trying to understand where City Council's influence and the county commission's was felt in this.

52:02There's only been minor changes since we were here presenting to both governing bodies.

52:08We added an action item to name the Metro Regional Housing Production Workgroup that is meeting now.

52:18We made it more clear with how the state is involved by adding an additional appendix that sort of named all of the action items where there's some level of state involvement.

52:30And then the county board did add one sentence to Exhibit 1, the KPI document, just for clarification purposes.

52:38It is in the updated exhibit that I submitted on December 11th.

52:42It's the underlined sentence in the first paragraph.

52:45That follows the list of the 12 KPIs.

52:48There's a bolded sentence.

52:54Is that final?

52:54An underlined sentence in what I resubmitted on December 11th.

52:58It reads, final baseline data for the goals is from June 2026.

53:07It was just a clarifying sentence.

53:09Yeah, no, I appreciate that.

53:11And that does imply that this could still be adjusted, which I appreciate as well.

53:16My concern with this is very similar to what Councilor Novick just mentioned.

53:20I specifically asked about something related to affordability of housing and not exclusively capital A, capital H affordable housing, but the broader indicator of rent as it relates to average income.

53:35This relates to what our first testifier today was talking about at the beginning as well.

53:40And certainly the job side matters.

53:42Yeah.

53:42But the affordability of housing.

53:45And I see that there's this number of units affordable to households with extremely low income, but we were talking about rent burdening.

53:52And so the proportion of people who have rent that's greater than a third of their income or rent that's greater than half of their income, as well as the ratios of income to rent at the median level, was something that I was really interested in seeing added here.

54:09I'm not seeing it here, and I'm concerned about some of the same things that both Councilors Dunphy and Novick raised, particularly as it relates to the longer-term end goal here, which is to get people not merely into shelter but into housing.

54:23Thank you, Madam President.

54:24Council President, do you want me to— I'm not sure if I'm supposed to respond.

54:27Go right ahead.

54:28I just— a few things that have been named already, they are sub— I would call them subindicators.

54:33There are many, many things that are tracked and measured by any given department.

54:38Or bureau.

54:39That data exists.

54:42The bureau and the departments can pull it for more in-depth analysis.

54:47It just didn't make the 12 that represent the entire system.

54:54That's fair.

54:55I did ask for it on November 18th.

54:57Where is it in the big document?

54:59I would need to go back to the SOC, but in— oh, in the plan?

55:03Yeah, the plan.

55:05As mentioned on November 18th, think of the plan as the policy document.

55:09Those aren't goals, those are action items.

55:11It is literally everything we want to look at to make sure we're doing a good job at it.

55:18It is continuous quality improvement.

55:22The KPIs are those system-level KPIs that are all connected, that represent the entire system.

55:29With any given data point, they're connected, and we can really drill down from there when we are not meeting a goal.

55:34Thank you.

55:37And it will— they demonstrate that what the term that I've been using is the hydraulics of the system, like Councilor Zimmerman pointed out.

55:44You put in more money here, you're going to see it play out in the KPIs in this way.

55:47You put less money over there, you're going to see it play out that way.

55:54Thank you, Councilor.

55:57Colleagues, I put myself in the queue because I agree with some of what has been raised.

56:02There are things that we have talked about over the course of the past year in our joint meetings with the county that are not yet in this document.

56:09And I also think it is important to note that this document starts with the SOC.

56:14It starts with community member input and comes to us as a final check.

56:23Is everything okay with what the SOC has put in there for us?

56:28I will continue to ask for some changes over the coming year so that we can work with our staff and our representatives on the SOC to make sure that we continue to improve these KPIs.

56:43I think what we have before us is much better than what we walked into at the beginning of last year.

56:48It is more measurable, it is more equitable, it is more specific, and I am excited to move it forward today.

56:55I hope so that we can make progress and continue to iterate and work with the county to make this system and make our partnership to serve Portlanders who are unhoused better.

57:07I think that's good for our community.

57:11And there's always a balance in making sure that we respect the work of our boards and committees like the SOC with community members there, with our need to provide that final level of oversight.

57:23I hope we can continue to do that final level of oversight through the work that we do leading to next year's KPIs and respect the work that has come before us this year, which I think is a much better product than what we had last year.

57:37And I appreciate all the time that went into those improvements, even if there are still more things that I want to push us to do in the coming years.

57:48Kind of stole a little bit of my thunder there.

57:50Yeah, I'm not on the Housing Committee.

57:53I'm not on the SOC.

57:54I'm not part of any formal table.

57:56So this is the space I get to sort of weigh in.

57:59And part of that, for all those reasons, I actually don't feel it's appropriate to try to amend this document in that way because there's a lot of work that goes into this.

58:06So I want to recognize that.

58:07So I'll just, in the spirit of saying, you know, to the mayor, you set this context up when we started.

58:14Yes, we've got more work to do, but continuous improvement is a thing that we can do.

58:19So I'm going to offer a suggestion here in the spirit of what we've been talking about.

58:24I do think a KPI is missing.

58:26So if there's an opportunity to add one, I would suggest a KPI that measures the cost efficiency of that overall system.

58:33And I know that's a little bit awkward and difficult because you have a model that says given resources, Here is our structure of our system.

58:42Here are the outcomes.

58:43But I think what's missing from the discussion and what I did raise earlier in our conversations across— over the course of the year is that we have a scale problem.

58:51And that's an important KPI to measure because we can't double our resources.

59:00We just can't do it.

59:01And so we're going to have to figure out a way to get more efficient.

59:04And we won't know if we're becoming more efficient with our trade-off choices unless we seek to try to measure that.

59:09And so that's an idea I'd like to just put in there as an opportunity to think through and contemplate on how we might measure such a thing and how we might maybe change our modeling approach for that.

59:21But I think it'll allow us— it could enable us to be more successful across our 2 governments.

59:27But I'm going to support this today because I think it's good work, and I am encouraging us to kind of continue to work forward.

59:33So, and thanks for everyone who's lent their time to the various different tables to get us here.

59:38Thanks.

59:40Thank you, Councilor.

59:41Councilor Ryan.

59:41Yes, thank you, Council President.

59:42It's good to see you all.

59:44I do have the pleasure of sitting on the Housing Committee with Councilor Dunphy and Councilor Avalos and others, and I have noticed and acknowledged that this has come a long way.

59:56It's improvement.

59:57I'll repeat a couple of things that I'm still not seen in this, and I will call those out.

1:00:03One is most of the goals are certainly we should be tracking are there, and but there's 2 things I'm hoping for more clarification on.

1:00:09I'm not seeing any specific measurement targets listed for each KPI.

1:00:14For example, in KPI 1 seeks to reduce homelessness over 2 years, similar for number 4, 10, and 11, which is great, but by what metrics?

1:00:23So back to the joint work session.

1:00:30What we shared then was that we are setting— we are identifying and setting our goals in 3 phases.

1:00:37Phase 1 was sort of the what we want to measure.

1:00:41That's the list you see before you.

1:00:43Phase 2 is sort of how are we going to measure each one.

1:00:46Is it a hard number?

1:00:48Is it a percentage?

1:00:50Is it just directional over time, up and down?

1:00:52Or is it strictly an indicator like eviction judgments where we're just watching that data point to So there are multiple types of KPIs, and that's what you have laid out here.

1:01:03The ones in bold, per the paragraph below there, represent the Phase 3 that we haven't gotten to yet.

1:01:10That comes next summer after your fiscal year '27 budget process.

1:01:15We felt as we were going through this journey with the Steering and Oversight Committee, given the— how the financial floor below both of us is the same, yes.

1:01:26The federal NOFO, other— the state cuts that came down after we started this process.

1:01:32The financial floor feels so shaky that what I told the SOC is we're adding a phase 3 to set goals after the next budget year when we know more about our financial situations.

1:01:45It felt irresponsible to set specific goals for those in bold right now.

1:01:51So we made that very conscious decision for all the right reasons.

1:01:55It is irresponsible when we know we may lose $36 million from the feds for permanent supportive housing that represents 1,200 Portlanders could lose their housing.

1:02:08We need to be able to figure that out.

1:02:11That is very uncertain right now.

1:02:13The federal government put out a notice for funding opportunity.

1:02:17They yanked it back last week, I think it was, or maybe the week beforehand.

1:02:21We are now waiting to hear back.

1:02:22Thank you.

1:02:22About if we even have access to that $36 million this fiscal— next fiscal year.

1:02:29So we just— and of course, if we don't get that money, I guess priority number one is going to be keeping those people housed.

1:02:36That changes the game for the fiscal year '27 budget process, especially on the county side of the equation.

1:02:42So that is the process by which we're following.

1:02:45It is the responsible approach.

1:02:48I emailed to all of your offices last night a transition timeline for implementation of the new KPIs.

1:02:56I will send it again, and I could share the slide now if you wanted to see it, so everybody sort of understands how we move away from our current set and to our new set.

1:03:06That was fair.

1:03:07And what's also fair and good practice is to still have clear metrics and what our targets are.

1:03:14And then we could explain perhaps one of the reasons we didn't make that target is because of the funding that you just said.

1:03:19But I think by pre- Baking everything because of funding, it doesn't always, in my opinion, give you— give us an excuse to not set up really clear measurable targets.

1:03:29And so it's perhaps a different way of looking at it, and that's what I've been trying to stress.

1:03:33And everything you said right now was just— was fair to listen to.

1:03:37I'll go ahead and save some time and go down here a bit.

1:03:40Um, you know, I've been asking for this for years, so you won't be surprised, Jillian, this will be my next points.

1:03:46Uh, there are 2 points.

1:03:47Where are the metrics why don't we include workforce metrics?

1:03:58I'll take the easier one first.

1:04:00Workforce just did not elevate to a system-level KPI.

1:04:03It doesn't mean that for any given program offer in particular on the county side of the equation, there aren't outputs and outcomes.

1:04:09That is all required for the budget process on the county side of the equation.

1:04:13Again, that's a really good example where metrics exist, It's just not elevated to the 12 system-level KPIs.

1:04:21Behavioral health did make it in there for the obvious reasons, and we are focusing on number 4, is reduce exits from permanent housing to homelessness for the high-acuity behavioral cohort of folks.

1:04:33We now have a new data set.

1:04:35We call it the combined data set.

1:04:37It takes HMIS data, it matches it with Medicaid claims data via Health Share, and we now know precisely who falls into that high acuity behavioral health cohort.

1:04:49We are using that data to try out something new in the behavioral health system.

1:04:55We hope to be able to sort of reveal that new pathway for folks come March-ish.

1:05:01We're also using the data to inform our federal NOFO applications when we do turn those in.

1:05:07Thank you.

1:05:08Whenever that comes to be, whenever the feds shed light on that.

1:05:13In addition to that, we're using that data to look at everybody currently in PSH and learn more about that.

1:05:18But that is a new data set.

1:05:20So we're sort of on the front end of being armed with that data and turning it into actions.

1:05:26Okay, I would still rather see them as key performance indicators.

1:05:30And let me just say a couple more things about that.

1:05:32It's so critical to focus and improve in these 2 areas.

1:05:35Most Portlanders would agree and are crystal clear that we will not get out of this crisis unless we focus on the addiction crisis.

1:05:43The majority of those who are homeless are also aged— and this is an and— 25 to 54, and many are not physically disabled.

1:05:52As such, if they were integrated into sober living and working, in due time they would move on to being independent from government resources.

1:06:00Thank you.

1:06:01That, in my opinion, should be a goal as we're trying to get real concrete results and start to look at the efficiency of the money that we're spending.

1:06:10And so I was— I've been disappointed in this for some time, and so I'm going to keep raising it.

1:06:15And, um, and so I just don't know why, why we are not measuring work that leads people to sobriety and to workforce.

1:06:24Thank you.

1:06:27The subindicators matter and it's helpful for the public to see.

1:06:30So if those are subindicators, then I think we should see them.

1:06:34We also passed amendments the last 2 to 3, in '23 and '24, that asked the county's providers in the county as the mothership to identify the KPIs that they're moving with the revenue they receive from taxpayers.

1:06:49This is accountability that's needed.

1:06:51Has this been implemented?

1:06:55Yes.

1:06:55I mean, the HCD data dashboard was relaunched at the beginning of this calendar year.

1:07:03In addition to that, what the county has— not only do they have their adopted budget where you can go down to the program offer level and see outcomes and outputs for every pot of money, but they have a budget monitoring dashboard as well that shows you the burn rate for any given bucket of money.

1:07:19Okay.

1:07:21It's moving from the city to the county, quite honestly.

1:07:24I'd like to see the details of the, of some of that.

1:07:26The contracts are going out.

1:07:28That's the kind of accountability that I think taxpayers deserve.

1:07:31And as we look to asking the taxpayers to re-up, if you will, I think we have to continue to get crisp and clear about the effectiveness of their investment.

1:07:41And I'm trying to help us get there so we can pass this next time we go to the voters.

1:07:46Because I've seen the most success with getting people who are chronically homeless off the streets by actually getting into some sort of a program that allows them to be sober one day at a time, quickly into the workforce, because I haven't seen anybody that remains sober if they're not busy doing things that are healthy like working.

1:08:04I cannot support this until we have those kind of metrics.

1:08:08It just goes too much against my values.

1:08:11And I do think that this is improved, and I'll be joining then Councilor Dunphy, who in the committee, um, voted yes.

1:08:17But today I just want to send a message that until I see those types of measurements, I'm uncomfortable going forward with this dashboard for the public.

1:08:26Thanks.

1:08:28Thank you, Councilor.

1:08:29Councilor Smith.

1:08:31Thank you, Madam President.

1:08:33I think it's important that we move forward with the KPIs with a sense of urgency.

1:08:38The fact is the public and taxpayers expect excellence in our actions, and we should continue to work closely and expediently with our partners at Multnomah County.

1:08:48The challenge before us is very immense, but we have short-term opportunities to make progress towards these goals.

1:08:56And, um, one critical way we can build on this work well before the next budget process is by supporting the resolution that I co-sponsored with Councilor Councilor Avalos and Councilor Dunphy as a District 1 coalition, and it's called Slow the Flow, which recently passed out of the Housing Committee.

1:09:15I know we have a lot of competing priorities, but this resolution moves the needle on at least 4 of these 12 KPIs before the end of the next fiscal year.

1:09:25I do agree with you, Councilor Ryan, about workforce and making sure folks have an opportunity to go from, um, to, to go from getting services to having a job.

1:09:38So that is so very important.

1:09:41But there's a question that— a couple questions that I have for you all.

1:09:45Uh, Jillian, um, were we successful in receiving Medicaid funds towards building housing?

1:09:55Um, we had talked about seeing if we could use those, uh, resources have we Medicaid for capital construction?

1:10:04Yeah.

1:10:04No.

1:10:05Yeah.

1:10:05Okay.

1:10:06No.

1:10:07Have we got it for services at all for housing?

1:10:10Yes.

1:10:11Okay.

1:10:12Yes.

1:10:13Services.

1:10:14Yeah, that, that can happen and that does happen.

1:10:16Okay.

1:10:17Okay, perfect.

1:10:18But we do, Councilor, I think the point you're making is like go after every Medicaid dollar possible.

1:10:25Perhaps.

1:10:25Is that what you're saying at the end of the day?

1:10:27Like maximizing our use?

1:10:29So we have another— we, well, we have a contract in place, um, um, to— there's about 6 action items in this document that aim to look at where we're tapping Medicaid dollars and making sure we're getting all that we can.

1:10:46And those are the Medicaid, uh, credits that Multnomah County receives that we're talking about, correct.

1:10:53I think I need to phone a friend.

1:10:54I don't call them credits.

1:10:56I, I, I just call them credits.

1:10:58Yep.

1:10:58Reimbursement.

1:10:59The reimbursements.

1:11:00Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the reimbursements.

1:11:03Yes.

1:11:04To what extent will the KPIs be used to guide decisions in the next proposed budget for '26-'27?

1:11:13Yeah, that's if it— if this passes.

1:11:16That's a wonderful question, and it's part of our transition timeline because what we as a team plan to do is to— we are developing a tool, and I'm going to kick it over to Ryan in a second, to be able to stay in constant dialogue with the Board of Commissioners and with the City Council as we play around with the math so everybody is I love that.

1:11:45This is how you're going to see it come out the other side in our key performance indicators.

1:11:50So we plan on being in active dialogue with you.

1:11:54So in effect, the budget votes cast in for the fiscal year '27 budget become the foundation really of where we start with this next set of KPIs.

1:12:04So when the SOC comes back together in July of 2026, Right.

1:12:08Your budget votes are going to inform sort of the starting point of where we're at.

1:12:14In addition to that, the other part of the transition to the new KPIs is to align it to the budget process.

1:12:21When we set our first goals associated with this plan, they were tied to the calendar year.

1:12:27We actually only had one budget cycle within that.

1:12:30That was not smart.

1:12:32We're doing it smarter now.

1:12:34So that's why the clock is going to start ticking July 1st, 2026 on these new KPIs.

1:12:40So you have your fiscal year '27 votes to help create a solid foundation, and then you have 2 other fiscal years to influence what we actually achieve when it comes to our KPIs.

1:12:53I think that's so important to, to, to relate those to actual actions.

1:12:58And, and I can tell you, I saw something in action last night.

1:13:01I was at a, um, a community meeting with, um, with the mayor and a group of folks from a neighborhood, they were really upset about us putting in an overnight shelter in the neighborhood without talking to the neighborhood leaders first.

1:13:16But, and I talked about this this morning, I was, um, I was really impressed because the mayor was getting so many questions and he was, he was answering the questions and he said, look, I'm not going to ask for permission to do something.

1:13:30We're in an emergency.

1:13:32And this is what you get when you get an overnight shelter.

1:13:34And I think one thing that was really effective is when you listed and showed all the things that you can get from a neighborhood when we bring in an overnight shelter.

1:13:44And I think that part is the thing that you're talking about with the KPIs.

1:13:48This is what you're going to get for this, because people want to see what, what are the— what's going to be new?

1:13:54What's, what's new and different?

1:13:55We just think you're going to bring folks who are vulnerable in our neighborhoods and there— it's just going to be more of them.

1:14:01And I think when you can identify that specifics that it really, really makes sense.

1:14:08So, um, thank you for, uh, pulling this together.

1:14:11I appreciate it.

1:14:12I hope this passes today and, um, want to be a, a partner with you.

1:14:17Thank you.

1:14:19Thank you, Councilor.

1:14:20Uh, Councilor Kanali, have you spoken?

1:14:24You did.

1:14:24Okay, thank you.

1:14:25Just clarifying.

1:14:26Councilor Dunphy, go ahead.

1:14:28Thank you.

1:14:28Um, a lot of my colleagues made a lot of really good And I want to just sort of comment on them.

1:14:35You know, I will start by noting that, colleagues, you know, we are 21 years into the 10-year plan to end homelessness.

1:14:44Clearly, a lot of work has gone into this.

1:14:47I'm really trying to not undermine that.

1:14:49And I know that you all in particular are trying to herd dozens of cats.

1:14:55You are trying to get government partners, nonprofit partners, community partners to move towards around a single roundtable in order to talk about getting— defining the work, defining success.

1:15:08And a lot of process has gone into this document.

1:15:12But I have said this a couple of times.

1:15:14I don't care how good the process was if the product isn't there.

1:15:18And the product isn't here.

1:15:19This is a better product than it was a year ago.

1:15:23But this ain't it.

1:15:25I'm and in response to Councilor Kanal's line of questioning, I'm actually really disappointed to hear that there wasn't more change done in response to the work session.

1:15:36I thought that was a work session.

1:15:37I didn't think it was a briefing.

1:15:39I thought that we were, as elected officials, coming together to say staff and community have come to a point and this is where we think that the process should move forward.

1:15:49And then we all had a lot of really I thought good conversation, good questions, good specifics, and good requests for follow-up, but it didn't appear in the document.

1:16:00Jillian, I do agree with you that if 50% of the KPIs on here, which are the bolded ones, are tied to our ability to do the work based off of our budget next year, it is irresponsible to put dollars or numbers, specific metrics into here.

1:16:14But 100% of these goals do not have metrics in them.

1:16:17So I'm not sure and I think that's— I think it's just irresponsible of us as a body to approve any metrics that don't have numbers attached to them, any goals that don't have metrics attached to them.

1:16:31Excuse me.

1:16:32If the budget realities come to fruition in June, and in July the staff come back to us and say we are going to meaningfully reduce the net homelessness over 2 years by 1%, I think that that's a very different conversation.

1:16:44Thank you.

1:16:45Is a failure on our part.

1:16:46But we are— but with our vote today, we are saying go forth and find a number by which to fill this blank on this paper.

1:16:55I have a couple of specific questions, and I promise they're not loaded questions.

1:16:59I'm not trying to be a jerk.

1:17:02How many different organizations are a member, are contributing to the homelessness response system, and also are contributing towards I don't know that that's a loaded question.

1:17:19I think that's a hard question to answer because there's a variety of constituencies that we intersected with, and I'm not sure I would take any of those constituencies off the table.

1:17:30Fair.

1:17:31I just, I worry that I see staffing options go out, I see staffing recruitment listings go out to try and staff up homeless overnight shelters.

1:17:41Or as I understood it, some staffing services are now also directing people to overnight shelters and to doing things like that, which means that there isn't inherently right now waiting hundreds of employees who are waiting to be put into action.

1:17:58We have hundreds of nonprofit groups and community groups across different contracts, across different governments who are standing up their own administrative processes, their own executive leaderships, and then going out and hiring and executing.

1:18:12And I just worry that that is leading to deep inefficiencies like this document where a year's worth of work of roundtables got us to 6 bolded lines and 6 unbolded lines without any numbers in them.

1:18:28Knowing that there's not an opportunity, I'm not going to introduce a motion.

1:18:31I'm not going to try and fix this document.

1:18:33I'm still going to vote no, but it sounds like the majority of my colleagues are ready to vote yes.

1:18:38How can the City Council meaningfully impact this document next year?

1:18:43Okay, so let's— I'm gonna revisit what I felt I heard out of council members in particular on November 18th.

1:18:50There were lots of questions about housing production.

1:18:53Maybe what I failed to do in that moment was explain that the housing production items that are in that section right now are pulled from the housing production strategy that is on the books.

1:19:03We have one mentioning the unified housing strategy.

1:19:07And what I said that day when I kicked it to Councilor Avalos was, until that is unpackaged, I don't know what to add.

1:19:15Yeah.

1:19:15And it is not unpackaged yet.

1:19:17But by all means, when it does, and I shared this with her as recent as this morning, we can add new housing production-related action items once that is unpackaged.

1:19:29They are named, but that doesn't exist yet.

1:19:33My, my— sure, and I appreciate that and I recognize that, but I, I'm being told that this is my yearly opportunity to impact how we measure success in the homelessness response system, and I am being presented with a document with no numbers in it as to defining our success, and I'm hearing that this is the best we're going to get this year and what I'm asking is, how does the City Council impact this document next year so that we can actually have KPIs that are tied to goals and goals that are realistic based off of the lived and worked experience of the hundreds of people, thousands of people who are doing the work right now and the thousands of people who are experiencing homelessness and the professionals who you all manage and are doing this work every day?

1:20:19How does this City Council make Is there a time that we can start getting involved now?

1:20:28Is the Homelessness and Housing Committee able to play a bigger role?

1:20:32What do you recommend?

1:20:33All right, and sorry to be clear, action plan or KPIs?

1:20:37Both.

1:20:37Okay.

1:20:38The action plan, we certainly consider it a living document.

1:20:41So again, I leave the door open on the housing production items.

1:20:45When those are actually ready to be discussed, whatever process, whatever committee, whatever mechanism, They end up following over here on the city side of the equation.

1:20:52I have no doubt that I will be informed.

1:20:55But the city council also, I mean, historically, we— I understand there's some budget conversations about this year, but we do historically have a homeless services— before the joint office was formed, the City of Portland did our own homelessness services.

1:21:10The county did our own.

1:21:12The decision was to to jointly operate that and then for the city to contribute dollars towards that.

1:21:18So I do appreciate that the city's role is housing production.

1:21:20We are bricks and sticks, we are permits, we are public spaces, but we also do contribute meaningfully, substantively, policy-wise to the success of responding to homelessness.

1:21:31And this document isn't, you know, our dollars and our responsibilities don't end at housing production goals.

1:21:38And so I'm trying to get, again, like, what table am I not at?

1:21:40I think that's a great question.

1:21:42What table did we as a body not have the invitation to, to actually meaningfully impact this where we're now being asked to approve it?

1:21:49Is there an opportunity in the next year to have City Council meaningfully impact this document?

1:21:56On the action plan, certainly yes.

1:21:57I will say under the current HRS IGA, the specific charge on the KPIs is to the SOC as the recommending body that not only refers out the KPIs to, um, to, um, the gov— to the City Council and the Board of Commissioners, but they are specifically charged with revisiting those every year.

1:22:19Thank you.

1:22:19But your votes, your votes for the fiscal year '27 process, and actually even before then, whenever the, the $21 million is addressed, for example, like, those investments have the opportunity to impact KPIs in a positive anything further, Councilor?

1:22:41Councilor Avalos?

1:22:48Hello?

1:22:49Oh, she's—.

1:22:49All right, well, um, oh, can you hear me?

1:22:53We can hear you, yes, go ahead.

1:22:56Okay, thank you.

1:22:57Um, first and foremost, uh, I am really grateful for this work because as we have heard and seen this is a product of many constituencies, leaders, and metrics.

1:23:09I understand both why it's frustrating for us as councilors to approve a document without these numerical targets, and I also understand why it was hard to set those targets right now given the uncertainty that we are going to face in the coming months, not just monetarily but in leadership and many other things.

1:23:28I think what you're hearing from my colleagues is is frustration for inheriting a problem that for too long didn't have direction and it didn't have a vision.

1:23:38And so I want to flag for my colleagues that the importance of the Unified Housing Strategy, because that is exactly what it is seeking to do, is to provide a vision.

1:23:47And importantly, what we need to do is get our ducks in a row at the city so that we can show up better to our county, metro, and state partners who are all tackling the housing crisis from their own lanes.

1:23:59So I would really encourage everyone to spend this winter break defining your priorities and your goals, because we need to go into that conversation in our work session that's been rescheduled for January.

1:24:12And I really want to hear from everybody, what is your, your vision, your priority?

1:24:17Because until we do that, we are just going to keep aiming in different directions.

1:24:22I, I hear the call for the Housing Committee to help guide this.

1:24:27Discussion for the council.

1:24:28And so I'll look to my housing committee colleagues for us to keep brainstorming how we do that and make sure that everyone on council that's not on committee feels that they can weigh in.

1:24:38And ultimately, I am planning on supporting this and voting for this today.

1:24:43I think that it is a good start.

1:24:46But I also think that it's clear that our lanes are really undefined, and I think there are parts parts of the KPIs or of the HREP that will ultimately become part of the unified housing strategy.

1:24:59And so I look forward to unpacking that with you all in the coming months.

1:25:03Thank you to everybody who has put in hard work in this.

1:25:07And I think I'll just leave with not only reinforcing what Councilor Smith has mentioned about the slow the inflow resolution and how important it is right now, but thank you.

1:25:18Councilmember Smith, thank you.

1:25:18Thank you, Mayor.

1:25:18I think it's important also for us to just be clear-eyed about the extreme affordability crisis that we are facing, and that at the end of the day, the inability to pay for the base level of rent is the number one problem.

1:25:32We have to stay on that goal.

1:25:33If we cannot focus on that one goal, it does not matter how much people can get through recovery services.

1:25:40It doesn't matter— all of these other factors does not matter if they are not Councilor Smith.

1:25:43I just want to say that I think that we have to be mindful of the people who are not able to, one, get a job that they can afford to pay for, but also just in general can afford to pay, because not everybody can have a job.

1:25:50Let's not forget, most of our incoming people into homelessness are seniors, people who have done their due, they have paid their debt, and they have— they're now in this insecure situation because they have fixed incomes, they have no way to work.

1:26:06Many of them are struggling with disabilities.

1:26:09And so I just want us to be real clear thank you so much, Councilor.

1:26:29Councilor Zimmerman?

1:26:30Okay, Councilor Kanal, go for it.

1:26:33Thanks.

1:26:34I have a couple questions and I'm struggling a little bit.

1:26:40Here to try and wrap my head around kind of the conversation around what the point of the work session is if it doesn't result in any visible impact.

1:26:50So I'm going to ask questions about the visibility of that.

1:26:55You mentioned a list of subindicators a couple times.

1:26:58Where can I see that list?

1:27:02Oh my goodness, that list.

1:27:05Is exhaustive.

1:27:06I—.

1:27:07At the county, it goes down to the contract level.

1:27:10I mean, there are an absolute ton of sub-indicators.

1:27:14Again, when we showed that chart about sort of where KPIs live and how they con— they connect all the way down to the contracts that go out the door, like, there, there's no way to possibly count them all.

1:27:27What I did after that work session was send to everybody some documentation from PHB Because I felt like a lot of the questions were about data that PHB collects and tracks and uses to inform its work, to share those datasets that they use as an example of subindicators that exist on this side of the equation.

1:27:50Okay, so maybe it's the use of sub that implies it is under one.

1:27:55The questions I've been asking about rent, which of these 12 does it fall under?

1:28:01And your question about rent burden?

1:28:03Yeah.

1:28:04I could probably— I think there's a lot of data available on rent burden.

1:28:09I think it probably tells you that over— last time I looked at it, over half the people in this city are rent burdened.

1:28:15That probably has only gotten worse, but I can find that data.

1:28:22Could it be one of the indicators where it's sort of just the finger in the wind to understand what's coming at us?

1:28:28Sure, it could be.

1:28:30It didn't get named, but that data is readily available.

1:28:33Yeah, and I understand that part of the way that we would actually try to reduce that percentage is something completely outside the scope of the HRS, and I want to recognize that.

1:28:41I think—.

1:28:41You're talking about economy jobs.

1:28:42Yeah, on the job side, yes, and on the policy side as it relates to long-term vacancy fees for residential properties, which I am working on.

1:28:52But as it relates yes.

1:28:53And it relates to the— in terms of are we building the types of units that people need?

1:29:01Specifically, we don't have enough 3 and 4-bedroom apartments being built because we measure things based off of the number of units or doors, which is not the same as measuring the number of people that are housed by these units.

1:29:13And when we try to maximize that, we maximize studios and 1-bedrooms.

1:29:17And so there are things like that that I think having this would have helped.

1:29:21And so I'm trying to figure out where can I find it.

1:29:24That kind of data exists in the housing needs analysis at PHB.

1:29:28Okay.

1:29:32Councilor Dunphy mentioned that there's a built-in check on these, that we're going to be coming back in a year.

1:29:36Is the intention that it would be around this time of 2026 that we would revisit these KPIs and potentially make adjustments to it based on the SOC's recommendation?

1:29:46I, in all honesty, again, the transition timeline to the new KPIs is we get through the fiscal year '27 budget process where y'all's votes will create the foundation, the starting point for these, these, uh, the new 12 KPIs.

1:29:58The clock starts ticking on them July 1st, 2026.

1:30:02Um, that same month, the SOC will do specific goal setting.

1:30:06We will keep you apprised along the way, but I do think those should sit for at least a year.

1:30:11I don't know.

1:30:12We don't— I don't think we change them 6 months in.

1:30:14So no.

1:30:15So you're saying 18 months from now is a better timeframe to expect?

1:30:18Yep.

1:30:18Okay.

1:30:19Is that built in?

1:30:20I mean, is that guaranteed, or are we relying on someone initiating this conversation without a deadline?

1:30:26No, I think part of my job is to stay in communication with you on that, but it is a stated responsibility of the Steering and Oversight Committee.

1:30:35Okay.

1:30:35And then the other question I had was whether or not the July numbers, which are mentioned in that first sentence after the list of 12, the SOC was directed to set specific goals for those.

1:30:46Are those a recommendation or are they deciding the goals?

1:30:49Will we vote on those numbers if they say reduce net homelessness by X percent?

1:30:55No, you will not vote.

1:30:56Okay, so then I think I'm back where Councilor Green was, which is I'm not on the Housing Committee.

1:31:02I'm going to be held accountable for how, by voters, for how you all do.

1:31:06Mm-hmm.

1:31:06And this is my time to talk about it.

1:31:09So, and I've consistently voted no on things that ask us to outsource our legislative prerogative to unaccountable people.

1:31:17So I feel like I'm trapped here and I don't wanna be, but that's where this conversation's leading because there's not enough information here.

1:31:26I will say that the other piece of it is having— I agree completely with Councilor Ryan about where the order between money and goals setting, because I don't know if we allot a certain amount of money, how much of that money is going to go to item 8 versus the others.

1:31:43And I am concerned that we're going to end up spending all of our time trying to get unsheltered home— houseless folks who are unsheltered to be sheltered instead of actually trying to get them a permanent place to live.

1:31:58And I don't know that right now.

1:31:59Councilor and even if I knew exactly the dollar amount to the penny that got budgeted to this in June, I wouldn't know the weight that each of these 6 things gets.

1:32:11And I understand that it's— I'm oversimplifying.

1:32:13It's not one-to-one.

1:32:14I get that.

1:32:15But my point is, I, I'm not 100% certain.

1:32:18And I understand that the action plan helps with that, but it also does not— it actually helps quite a bit with it, but it doesn't give me the weight.

1:32:24Knowing that we're trying to reduce net homelessness over 2 years, by 50% would help with that, knowing that we're trying to get— or 20%, either way.

1:32:33So that's sort of the challenge that I'm dealing with here is I don't know, and I'm being asked to outsource a legislative prerogative.

1:32:39And frankly, voters are not going to be asking me or asking people that are on the SOC that aren't electeds.

1:32:47They're going to be looking at us.

1:32:48And that seems like a structural weakness that you didn't create.

1:32:51I don't want to place anybody at fault for that.

1:32:52At the table here responsible for that.

1:32:54It's not your fault at all, but not having enough detail here does make that a much harder proposition than it was in November.

1:33:01Before I kick it to Ryan, I just want to state that certainly how the SOC was envisioned, you do have 2 representatives on there that information feeds through those 2.

1:33:12They bring it to the SOC space.

1:33:14What happens to the SOC space is then fed back to both governing bodies and also the City of Gresham.

1:33:19That was certainly how it was envisioned.

1:33:23Yeah, good evening everyone.

1:33:25Just for the record, my name is Ryan Deibert.

1:33:27I'm the Deputy Director at the Homelessness Response System.

1:33:31Council President, Vice President, thank you.

1:33:35And Councilor Knoll, specifically to some of your comments around being able to connect some of those budget decisions that you're making to the full range of the key performance indicators.

1:33:49So not just looking at a single indicator, but multiple of them.

1:33:54That's exactly the work that we hope to do with you throughout the budget season as we start to try to develop some estimation tools around if you invest in intervention X, we expect that to decrease inflow by roughly this amount.

1:34:12We expect that to increase outflow by roughly this amount.

1:34:16We expect that to shift the balance of sheltered or unsheltered folks.

1:34:20Thank you.

1:34:20Folks, by roughly this amount.

1:34:22So we're hoping that we can, once we get clear indication to move forward with this suite of key performance indicators, we can build those tools to help you understand how those budget impacts, you know, in rough estimations are gonna be shaped, are going to be shaping different impacts across those multiple measures.

1:34:46So I'm very hopeful that we can give you a much more dynamic and better informed thanks.

1:34:58Which has never happened before.

1:34:59Yeah, I do recognize the vast improvement here.

1:35:03And I guess the question that we're being asked is ultimately, is it enough where we think it's good enough?

1:35:10So I do respect that a great deal and I appreciate the clarity from you both.

1:35:14I wanted to just kind of of clarify, who's our second person from the City Council?

1:35:21We have one person on the, on the SOC as far as I'm aware.

1:35:25Mayor and Councilor Zimmerman are your 2 city folks.

1:35:29Thank you, Madam President.

1:35:32Thank you, Councilor.

1:35:34Councilor Zimmerman.

1:35:38We could always pull out of this IGA.

1:35:41I'll just say that.

1:35:43Right.

1:35:44We could.

1:35:44And I say that, and the reason I'm saying that is that remains an option.

1:35:51I think that there are a lot of people who have worked with this IGA on the gurney, chest open, and it was touch and go for a long time last year.

1:36:05And I think that was an important surgery to happen.

1:36:09The point I'm trying to make is that our Housing and Homelessness Committee, I think, could inform this body's decision-making a hell of a lot better.

1:36:25I don't know what the one housing plan to solve them all is.

1:36:28I know no meat on those bones.

1:36:30It is a catchy time— or a catchy phrase right now, but I don't know what it is.

1:36:33I think we have a very good housing plan.

1:36:35Yes.

1:36:35Last week, I think it was last week or 2 weeks ago, we had a discussion.

1:36:38And what I really appreciated from the 5 of us that sat on— that sit on that committee was that in the spectrum of nothing, meaning a tent on the street, to owning a home, we had a colored spectrum of housing.

1:36:51And we all indicated that we felt our role, PHB's role, was more in the area of production, ownership, a little bit of subsidized, making sure that we subsidize some models so that people can live in them.

1:37:08But not very many of us, and we really only in a few moments said we really wanted to be in the emergency shelter space.

1:37:17Immediately thereafter, my colleagues on the Housing and Homelessness Committee introduced a resolution to go the opposite of that, right?

1:37:27And so I I'm not saying that to be appointed or embarrassment.

1:37:30My point is, is that we've had some discussion tonight about staying in our lanes, and I feel really strongly that our lane is with capital, bold, underlined, italic letters: housing production.

1:37:43I think that's our lane.

1:37:45I don't really want to see the county in our lane.

1:37:47I want us to be really good at that.

1:37:49One of the things that I think we'll get out of, out of this is we do have a better idea of the next time, if we go for a housing bond and making sure that we structure it so it's not just an oversaturation of 60% AMI units, those types of things are the ways we can be better partners at this.

1:38:07And I say that because it's— this is our point.

1:38:10And I think I want to offer— I want to offer that up because I don't know that we're in the rent assistance business.

1:38:17I don't know that we're in the behavioral health business.

1:38:19I don't know that we're in the housing assistance business.

1:38:19Councilor I don't know that we're in the incarcerated reentry business.

1:38:24I don't know that we're in the addictions health business.

1:38:27In fact, I actually know we're not in any of those businesses because I worked 10 years at Multnomah County and that's our social services agency.

1:38:34We are frustrated at this document and that's okay.

1:38:38Like, I'm okay being frustrated about it.

1:38:42My point in that is because we bring the production lens to it, I think we have also been able to— because we contribute and because we're members of it, and I think both bodies want us to stay in it— we have been able to tweak the parts of the social services continuum to meet our expectations as a partner to this.

1:39:05Meaning, you know, the mayor has inserted, I think, some, some new types of urgency.

1:39:14Or we have— one of the things that I talk a lot about is I want—.

1:39:17I want—.

1:39:17Now that we have a by-name list, I want a by-name list who also gives me the number one thing that the system, the smart people, categorize as the number one thing that a person's reason for being homeless is.

1:39:33Because I, I have a belief that unless you know what you're— what you're trying to fix or attacking, and if— and many people have so many things that I think we get lost in the sauce a little our, our being a part of the IGA, I think, has helped move Multnomah County to being more open to those ideas than they would have been.

1:39:51The by-name list would not have occurred without the City of Portland's push.

1:39:54I hope that one day the by-name list with the by-name, what, what is the major issue, I hope that that's something else we can look at as a City of Portland for why we want to be a part of this.

1:40:03And what I hope this Multnomah County gets from us is that Multnomah County can say I would say the city invested in the right types of housing productions, or they jump-started parts of our housing continuum that maybe didn't get enough attention before.

1:40:18Because I was around before this existed in Multnomah County, we were putting out stuff to try and get people to develop affordable units.

1:40:24City of Portland was.

1:40:25Occasionally we did it together.

1:40:29If we can stay in those lanes, and I think there's a desire to stay in those lanes, but there's also this feeling that we all have, which is there's a lot of really tough stories on these pages.

1:40:40My ask to you as my colleagues is if there are parts of this, especially in the social services continuum, that you would like us to emphasize as an important point for the City of Portland, if we're going to stay a part of the IGA, that the mayor and I can convey those, or you can convey them to Jillian and her team, but we can convey those even though they're not our language.

1:41:01Thank you.

1:41:01But right now I've been feeling like sometimes if we want to fix a social services piece of it, we're trying to insert a new line of business in the City of Portland's piece.

1:41:09And I think it's better to leverage, hey, if we're going to stay a happy partner, a happy partner needs to see this increase, right?

1:41:16We saw that happen in previous iterations, and I think we can keep doing that.

1:41:24I say all that because A lot of what I— what I'm— when I've been listening tonight, a lot of the frustration I'm hearing, I think, is perhaps in the areas where our government is not set up to be the experts because we're not the social service agency.

1:41:39And I think we can still weigh in on that.

1:41:40It just is different for if we feel we have the duty to fix it or if we have the duty to influence it.

1:41:46And I take those differently, like, in my own decision-making.

1:41:50What I could use from the Housing and Homelessness Committee Yes.

1:41:56Is, are there things from the SOC moving forward that we would like to debate as a position for me to take into the room?

1:42:06We've not done that, but I think it would be a reasonable conversation.

1:42:11Are there types of housing developments that we hear from the SOC that I can bring into H&H and say, hey, listen, we need to focus on this type I've never heard transitional housing being developed this way where they do the services, we do the bricks and mortar.

1:42:26I don't know.

1:42:27But I think that's what the partnership in spirit is.

1:42:29So I have— I've listened intently and I am hearing this.

1:42:33My recommendation would be that we do pass this.

1:42:39And I say that as a person who has been incredibly critical.

1:42:42I think it's probably why I got put on the darn thing.

1:42:45Incredibly critical for many years.

1:42:46Thank you.

1:42:48And there's a long way to go.

1:42:50And I also want to just note, so the SOC, can we, I just wanna revisit the SOC membership if we could, Jillian.

1:42:57I'm gonna miss some points here, but it's Mayor of Gresham, Mayor of Portland, Chair of Multnomah County, County Commissioner, City Councilor, the Director of Home Forward, the Director—.

1:43:09Health Share.

1:43:10Health Share.

1:43:13Representative of the public who doesn't live in Portland but does pay the SHS tax and a business community member.

1:43:19I think that's—.

1:43:20And number 10, behavioral health expert.

1:43:24Who is that?

1:43:25That's Laura.

1:43:26Laura, yes, and a behavioral health expert that we approved.

1:43:31So this conversation, it's half political and half people in their various industries, and it's been— there have been some rough meetings.

1:43:40I think.

1:43:40And then there's other times where we're like, okay, we're on it.

1:43:44And I think I see where we're attacking a problem and we're able to use the similar language.

1:43:51And yet it is so much better than it was.

1:43:53That's what I'm trying to convey.

1:43:55I think that whether it's 6 months, 18 months, or whatever it is that was brought up in terms of when we come back, it is so much better than it was because frankly, I think everybody was willing to walk away, and that was an important part, because if you are in deal-making and you're not willing to walk away, you're just getting taken.

1:44:14And we didn't walk away.

1:44:15And so I find that important.

1:44:18At the end of the day, we always could pull out of this and just say we're going to do the things that we think are important and they're going to do the things that they think are important.

1:44:25I think if we can stay in our lane in production and they can advise us on what they would like us to see produce more of, we can take that under advisement.

1:44:32Thank you.

1:44:33But I will damn well tell them what I think is appropriate for behavioral health or treatment health or shelter health, et cetera, because we should be telling each other about what would be more helpful in our lines of business and still staying in our own lane, if you will.

1:44:49Thank you, Madam President.

1:44:50I have deeply appreciated everybody's comments tonight.

1:44:53That's all I have.

1:44:53Thank you, Councilor.

1:44:55Councilor Novick.

1:44:58So I just wanted to note that these folks with us here tonight are resources that we can talk to in between formal sessions.

1:45:08And I would recommend that particularly those of us who aren't on the Housing Committee, but even those who aren't, like, sort of to the extent that there's a lot of us, so you wouldn't want all of us to do this, to, you know, shoot the shit, as it were, with our colleagues here over some of these big housing issues.

1:45:22Like, I had a really interesting conversation with Ryan where he said at one point, did a separate briefing, that generally based on national statistics, you have to give 10 people rent assistance in order to avoid 1 case of homelessness.

1:45:35And Jillian had sort of a caution on that, but then I like— I saw some other statistics that led me to say, well, I think that means we have to spend $518 million extra on homeless— on rent assistance just to hold the homeless population steady.

1:45:49And Ryan said, well, that may be a bit of an overestimate.

1:45:52Here's some factors that go into that's a conversation I'd like to continue.

1:45:55And a conversation with Jillian that I don't want to— like, I hope that you won't think that I'm putting you on the spot here, but I mean, where I said, you know what, given national interest rates, given the investment climate, given the cost of housing, sometimes I think that we should just admit that we're going to have a large number of people who aren't— we aren't going to be able to get into traditional housing for a very long time.

1:46:18Should we be thinking about things like like building a bunch of tiny homes, recognizing those will be the homes people live in for a long time.

1:46:26And Jillian said, I think you're talking about a conversation about X.

1:46:29It was like some category that I hadn't heard of, but she was able to fit it into that category.

1:46:34So I would just— I think that it behooves us to have more communications with our experts and colleagues about these issues in between formal sessions because, you know, We can't talk to each other, but we can talk to them.

1:46:50And as long as they don't tell us what we've respectfully said to them, then we're okay.

1:46:54So that's just, I mean, that's my touchy-feely comment for the evening, that I, outside of key performance indicators or whatever, I really appreciate the opportunity to discuss housing issues with our team here.

1:47:05And I think that's, if we're all doing that, I think that we'll have, we'll feel better about this whole process next year.

1:47:13Thank you.

1:47:14That's all.

1:47:16Thank you, Councilor.

1:47:17Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can you please call the roll for a vote on the resolution before us?

1:47:28Clark?

1:47:30Aye.

1:47:31Green?

1:47:32Aye.

1:47:33Zimmerman?

1:47:33Aye.

1:47:34Avalos?

1:47:42Aye.

1:47:42No.

1:47:44Aye.

1:47:49No.

1:47:51No.

1:47:53Aye.

1:47:56No.

1:47:58The resolution is adopted with 9 yes votes and 3 no votes.

1:48:06Thank you, colleagues.

1:48:07I think that was an important discussion and will hopefully lead to many related discussions.

1:48:12Thank you all for being here tonight and for answering all of the questions.

1:48:16Appreciate you all.

1:48:17You're welcome.

1:48:17Thank you.

1:48:19Keelan, could you please call the next item on the agenda?

1:48:25Item 9, adopt the 2026 state and federal legislative agenda.

1:48:33Thank you.

1:48:34And colleagues, this is again a resolution that comes out of work sessions, so there is not a committee staff summary or chair report.

1:48:44This is the item— I was incorrect before— that the mayor and I are jointly carrying.

1:48:50I have a few remarks to make, and then, Mr. Mayor, I will turn it over to you if there's anything you'd like to add.

1:48:55Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1:48:59Colleagues, this resolution establishes a shared framework for our most essential intergovernmental priorities.

1:49:07It will guide how we collectively interact with our state, federal, and regional partners.

1:49:14I want to thank Sam Chase and our government relations team for working with 12 of us who brought very different priorities to the table, as well as the mayor, incorporating the needs of our bureaus and the administration as well, and working with us to put it into a single unified agenda.

1:49:39That's not an easy task.

1:49:41The resolution before us asks council to adopt 3 core elements: the state's legislative agenda, Which will serve us through the short February session and set up our work for the coming year after that.

1:49:56Our federal legislative agenda, which we made, I think, some very important changes to.

1:50:03And then we have some evaluation criteria to help guide our OGR team as they do the work of vetting and reviewing things that come up that we didn't contemplate in this work.

1:50:16Thank you.

1:50:17And that will help them as they move forward in determining how to work with us to find other opportunities where we need to weigh in and when to decide to let things pass— go by.

1:50:29In addition, the resolution affirms a commitment to align our work with operating best practices in government relations and sets clear shared expectations for how we operate together in intergovernmental forums.

1:50:42Thank you.

1:50:43Particularly on those things where some of us have a key interest and others maybe don't share that interest.

1:50:51These practices don't alter any legal or charter authority; they're simply intended as a guide that can be continually improved as we work through the iterations of that collaborative work.

1:51:06I also want to take a moment to situate these documents in the broader context of our.

1:51:10Thank you.

1:51:11Because these priorities are not just an abstract wish list.

1:51:15They are the things that we have decided are most important as we figure out the best way forward for our fiscal, legal, and political needs as a city in the current environment.

1:51:31At the federal level, we know we are operating in an unusually volatile and unpredictable environment.

1:51:38We are prioritizing pushing back against federal overreach, something that is new on our agenda.

1:51:45And we're continuing to aggressively advocate for the resources Portland needs to deliver core services at a time when that is harder than ever.

1:51:54We have clear federal priorities we've continued from past years, as well as those 2 critical new pieces.

1:52:00Thank you.

1:52:04At the state level, our context is a little bit different, but equally challenging, as cities faced constrained property tax authority, rising service costs, declining or uncertain federal support, and increasing expectations without the corresponding resources.

1:52:20We've continued to prioritize protecting our local authority and avoiding new unfunded mandates and safeguarding city revenue while pushing for long overdue property tax reform.

1:52:30Thank you.

1:52:30Tax reform, something we've not always been as overt about.

1:52:35We are defending the investments that we have, knowing that the environment for new investments is difficult, and supporting our economic development and growth of workforce supports while also continuing to advocate for our public safety and emergency response needs and taking on other issues that will allow us to run our city effectively.

1:53:00The coordinated approach that we've discussed strengthens our relationships and will continue to validate our credibility both at the federal and the state level.

1:53:12We've reviewed the documents before us through a series of work sessions as well as individual meetings with the team in between, and approving this resolution will allow our government relations team to move forward with the that I know we hope they will all be successful in, not only on our behalf, but on behalf of all Portlanders.

1:53:34I'm looking forward to the conversation tonight and appreciate the work we've all put into this over the previous work sessions.

1:53:41Mr. Mayor.

1:53:44Council President, Council Vice President, councilors, thank you for this opportunity.

1:53:48I just want to point out Sam Chase's office and the work that he and his team did to bring this forward.

1:53:55It was exhaustive.

1:53:55He worked extremely hard.

1:53:56He was in my office Council President, it's an honor to share this with you.

1:54:06To all the points that you made, the point you made about a guiding document, I kind of look at this as a living document because we're going to do a series of subtractions and additions throughout the course of the year as changes occur.

1:54:20It's a multi-jurisdictional document that we should use to add and subtract on ideas and certain streams and priorities that you have, and I look forward to working with you.

1:54:30This really is a shared document for all of us.

1:54:34Thank you.

1:54:34I urge you to vote yes and appreciate the opportunity to participate in this.

1:54:40Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:54:42Colleagues, before we move into questions and discussion, I want to make sure we get to public testimony because I know we have at We have at least one person signed up who is a fellow elected official, as well as I believe one or two community members.

1:54:59Keelan, could you please call our first panel for public testimony?

1:55:02Yes, thank you.

1:55:03We have 4 people signed up.

1:55:06Khanh Pham, Benjamin Gilbert, Douglas Allen, Jared Essig.

1:55:18Available online, go right ahead.

1:55:24Uh, Representative Pham is joining us online.

1:55:26Go ahead.

1:55:28Hi, Council President Pirtle-Guiney, Portland City Councilors.

1:55:31For the record, my name is Khanh Pham, and I'm the state senator for District 23 representing Northeast and Southeast Portland in the Oregon Legislature, and I'm also the chair of the Senate Housing and Development thank you.

1:55:43So thank you so much for your efforts to adopt an agenda for the city to effectively partner with me and my legislative colleagues this next spring.

1:55:53I'm here tonight to share with you a few details about a particular priority housing bill that I've introduced for this upcoming February legislative session and to encourage you as councilors to discuss tonight whether or not you believe believe the city should actively use resources to oppose this initiative to build upon one of the recent policy victories for greater construction of market-rate and affordable housing.

1:56:19Legislative Concept 5 is an effort to build on Portland's now successful inclusionary zoning program and to provide pathways for other jurisdictions to follow suit.

1:56:31This bill provides greater flexibility for Portland tonight, the legislative agenda that you're considering for adoption allows the City of Portland and other regional municipalities to implement inclusionary zoning programs at different levels of affordability, provided that these municipalities follow Portland's lead in ensuring that the program is funded and appropriately studied to ensure its effectiveness.

1:56:50I want to be explicit that the bill does not mandate the City of Portland to do anything that it is not already doing.

1:56:57Tonight, the legislative agenda that you're considering for adoption includes language that states the city's lobbyists should, quote, defend inclusionary zoning as a key affordability tool and to prevent state-imposed mandates that limit locally tailored solutions.

1:57:13This is a reasonable objective, and I firmly believe that the adoption of this language should not be read as explicitly directing the city's lobbying agenda to oppose this inclusionary zoning So tonight I'm asking you, in your discussion of the adoption of your agenda, to explicitly state whether you as a city councilor believe that the city should be the sole entity actively opposing this widely supported initiative.

1:57:40LC-5 is not a state-imposed mandate, and if anything, the bill is designed to give municipalities like Portland more flexibility to explore locally tailored solutions to run effective inclusionary zoning programs.

1:57:52My office and the bill's advocates have worked with the City of Portland for months to fine-tune the specific components of this bill, and I want to thank the staff of the City Attorney's Office, Government Relations, and the Housing Bureau, as well as many of you and your staff who have all engaged in our efforts to get this bill right.

1:58:11Legislative Council has received and incorporated specific statutory language recommendations from the City Attorney's Office to address concerns about potential liability, and my office is more than eager to continue to work with the city to address further concerns.

1:58:26We've got a diverse crew from housing advocates to the Portland Metro Chamber and developers who all support this bill to implement these guardrails to codify best practices.

1:58:38And I wouldn't be here calling in tonight if I didn't believe that this technical aspects didn't firmly align with what I have heard and understand to be our shared desired housing policy goals for the City of Portland and the state.

1:58:50And I just thank you all for your, your time today.

1:58:52Thank you.

1:58:53Thank you very much, Senator, for joining us today.

1:58:56We appreciate you being here.

1:58:59Please.

1:59:01Uh, hello, my name is Ben Gilbert.

1:59:04I am a volunteer lobbyist with the Portland Democratic Socialists of America and a resident renter in District 4.

1:59:10I want to appreciate the strong emphasis on protecting all Portlanders regardless of their documentation or status.

1:59:18I also appreciate pushing back on federal overreach.

1:59:22As I leave my apartment every morning, I see those unhoused Portlanders who have been pushed onto our streets by higher rents and pay that doesn't keep up.

1:59:31More Portlanders are becoming unhoused every month than being housed, and the biggest reason for this is the cost of living crisis we're all experiencing, specifically the outrageous rent prices.

1:59:43While it is heartening to see land banking, the preservation of affordable housing, support for our unhoused neighbors, and rental assistance in our legislative agenda, in the recognition of this crisis, it is disappointing to see that lifting the preemption on municipal rent control is I also hope social housing is a part of our approach and that we can work with the state to come up with a robust social housing policy that's funded.

2:00:09Thank you.

2:00:10I yield my time.

2:00:12Thank you very much for being here.

2:00:16Good evening, President Pirtle-Guiney and councilors.

2:00:19My name is Doug Allen.

2:00:21I want to testify about the city's state legislative agenda.

2:00:25Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:00:26And hopefully I can read my notes that I wrote while I rode the bus down here.

2:00:31Better transit is integral to Portland's goals for climate, employment, livability, accessibility, and urban form.

2:00:39TriMet plans to cut service by 15% because of the legislature's failure to come through with funding and the referral of what little they did come up with.

2:00:49There's also going to be no 6-cent gas tax increase Of which half would have gone to local government.

2:00:56We can't wait until after the 2027 session.

2:01:01The cuts are already happening.

2:01:03They began at the beginning of this month.

2:01:07A stopgap transportation measure in 2026 is a necessity and should be high on your priority list.

2:01:15I noticed that transportation really wasn't even on the list of priorities, but I'm glad to hear from Mayor Wilson that this is a living document, and I would hope that transportation— a stopgap solution for TriMet's proposed service cuts will be part of your agenda.

2:01:37TriMet can't fix their funding problem without aggressive leadership from you.

2:01:42Thank you very much.

2:01:44Thank you very much.

2:01:45We appreciate you elevating that issue.

2:01:47Jared Essig.

2:01:56Welcome.

2:01:56Thank you.

2:01:57Good afternoon, Council, Mayor Wilson.

2:02:00The federal legislative agenda has a lot of points that this council has actually, um, or it could have, that you have in common with the current administration.

2:02:14For example, housing production.

2:02:16Now, don't you think that that's probably the number one priority of our current sitting president?

2:02:21You need to learn how to work with him.

2:02:24You know, one of the reasons why Donald Trump is successful is because he's a democratic socialist at heart.

2:02:30And that also speaks to some of his authoritarian tendencies.

2:02:33But, you know, you've heard of the horseshoe theory of politics, and there's something to that.

2:02:38I think you I think you should invite Donald Trump to visit the city of Portland.

2:02:42He would be the first Republican since before Ronald Reagan, who I think gave this the name of Little Beirut.

2:02:48And I'm sure he would love to come out here.

2:02:51Now, another thing is reducing homelessness and housing stability.

2:02:54That's why we need housing production.

2:02:57Or what about economic mobility, like Councilor Ryan mentioned, that needs to be in your homelessness response?

2:03:04How many houseless people have been offered day labor?

2:03:09How many of them have been offered a bus ticket?

2:03:12Geographic mobility and economic mobility were the reasons why I became houseless 8 years ago.

2:03:19I used to hop freight trains between here and Los Angeles when I was a college student.

2:03:24Okay?

2:03:25You need to think about the reasons why people do what they do and what their objectives are and help people to build wealth and equity like you say you want to do.

2:03:36These are also very much points of commonality that you have with the current president.

2:03:41Community safety, behavioral health— how about making Portland healthy again, mentally healthy again?

2:03:47One of the reasons people become mentally ill is because they don't have meaning or purpose in their life.

2:03:51Give them the opportunity to have economic mobility and social mobility.

2:03:56How about encouraging people to self-deport?

2:03:59I would have loved to self-deport when I was homeless.

2:04:01I just never was given a bus ticket out to Marion County or to Yamhill County to work in agriculture or to work in maybe harvesting grapes for the, you know, the wine industry.

2:04:14Or I was never given an opportunity to get on a boat to go out to sea for a couple months.

2:04:18You know, I used to actually work in commercial fishing in Alaska when I was younger.

2:04:22I could have done that.

2:04:23I was just never given the opportunity.

2:04:26And so you want to get people into services and ply them with psychopharmaceutical medication so that you can provide services and employment support for the, you know, government-contracted service provision providers.

2:04:39That seems to be the purpose of a lot of your plans.

2:04:43And instead, you need to find common ground.

2:04:46There's a lot of it.

2:04:47As for immigration, You could easily deport, you know, criminals who are illegal aliens.

2:04:52Find common ground on that.

2:04:53You're going to maintain the sanctuary status.

2:04:55I understand that.

2:04:55We should do that.

2:04:56We can push back on that.

2:04:58We shouldn't be deporting hard workers who are seeking day labor at Home Depot.

2:05:03But find common ground and then push back where you can.

2:05:08Thank you very much.

2:05:10We appreciate your feedback.

2:05:12That completes testimony.

2:05:13Okay, colleagues, we're moving into questions and discussion.

2:05:19We do have our OGR team here if there are any questions for the team.

2:05:23Councilor Smith.

2:05:26Thank you, Madam President.

2:05:27Could I have Director Sam Chase come up?

2:05:32Mr. Chase, welcome.

2:05:34And your team if they're here.

2:05:36I heard they were here.

2:05:41You've got, uh, come on up.

2:05:42We've got a few of us here.

2:05:45Okay, great.

2:05:48I always know I'm in the right place when Jack is here.

2:05:53So I want to thank you and, and thank your team, um, in the Office of Government Relations for the work that you've done in multiple work sessions and meetings to kind of digest and dissect and add and subtract our legislative agenda for the city.

2:06:08I think there's an immense value in moving as one unit, as one united city, and as one united Portland.

2:06:18I don't give you necessarily my, my goals, my own personal goals for District 1, but to advance the city in, in harmony with colleagues and leadership.

2:06:29So I'm supportive in what's being brought forward, and I'm hopeful that the state legislature and the federal government will be receptive to the needs and priorities of Portlanders.

2:06:39Uh-huh.

2:06:40Um, since we last talked, I believe, um, that we found out that there was going to be no, um, gas tax money and no transportation money.

2:06:57The governor was just We're just going to let the will of the voters for the ballot measure.

2:07:05Are there any other opportunities for us to add any other things to our agenda?

2:07:12It is a very healthy, rich agenda.

2:07:17I think that as we're talking to folks, you know, and people look at it, they say, well, just tell me what are your top 3 things?

2:07:25Okay.

2:07:27I, I get the whole booklet, but what are your top 3 things?

2:07:31So if you had to say what our top 3 things were going to be in this short session that we were trying to achieve, I know that Senator Pham, she brought up something that I, I didn't understand or, or know what was being talked about.

2:07:49And could you also explain what that was, if we got a request to put that in our legislative agenda.

2:08:03Yeah, so let me start with the first.

2:08:05I think we have, of course, as you point out, we have 8 top priorities.

2:08:12And if I were to summarize those, I would say, you know, 3 buckets that capture those are protecting the city's local authority.

2:08:22Yes.

2:08:24Seeking opportunities to identify and address revenue issues at the state, and then protecting— I think this is critical— is protecting the resources that are the most directly related to the city's ability to provide and of course, we talk more specifically about economic development, housing, and behavioral health and those things.

2:08:49But, but if I were to categorize it in a shorter format, I would say protecting those, those—.

2:08:54Okay, excellent.

2:08:56Resources.

2:08:59To your question on the inclusionary housing proposal, I want to say first and foremost that, you know, we've been working with Senator Pham's office over the long session, and many of you were very engaged in the long session on this proposal.

2:09:15And so we are continuing to do that work.

2:09:21That is something we and our team— Senator Pham is a very important leader in the legislature, in our community, with our council, and in the city, and we want to have a productive, positive, really good working relationship with her.

2:09:41And our, our team and the Housing Bureau and the attorneys are committed to doing that work and continuing to try to get to a path where there is success in improving inclusionary housing, creating more opportunities with inclusionary housing.

2:09:59There's 4 concerns that this proposal has.

2:10:04One is it provides an unfunded mandate that would— so that's one.

2:10:122 Is it creates legal liabilities.

2:10:153 Is it takes the decision-making about the funding away from council to the state.

2:10:23And then 4 is it would eliminate or significantly diminish the ability to have a statewide inclusionary housing program because their jurisdictions are— that we're the only jurisdiction with inclusionary housing.

2:10:39Others are less likely to engage because of the preemption, the unfunded mandate, and the legal liabilities that they would be subject to.

2:10:49Thank you.

2:10:50And, and I'll tell you someone asked me, what is going to be your priorities down in Salem?

2:10:56So I feel like we're in a defensive mode.

2:10:59We're not playing offense.

2:11:01We're trying to defend what we have right now.

2:11:03We're not putting things forward in this short session when there's so very little money.

2:11:10Would that be a short way to describe our activities?

2:11:17I would say that that's in large part the strategy.

2:11:20There are some places where there will be some work that will be proactively seeking to advance some of the more policy-oriented issues.

2:11:29But we have— you're correct in that we have recommended that the agenda not include any funding asks because we recognize the situation that the legislature is in right now in trying to mitigate for, you know, revenue reduction, federal overreach, covering the costs of, you know, of those loss of federal resources.

2:11:56Right.

2:11:57So it's not just like we're not signing on to the inclusionary housing.

2:12:01We're not signing on to anything.

2:12:03We're just trying to play defense in what we're doing and making sure that we can defend the things that, that, that might have the possibility of going away.

2:12:15So I, um, I want to just caution folks because, uh, Senator Pham, her district lies— part of her district lies in my district.

2:12:26And, um, while there, there may be some issues that we, we need to work out with the, uh, the lawyers, but we're also not— we're not proactively getting on certain things.

2:12:40So, period.

2:12:42Because of the legislature and the, and the limited amount of resources that we've heard that, um, may be available.

2:12:50I understand that there's a $66 million gap in the, um, in the budget for the state legislature.

2:12:59And understanding that gap, that there's not going to be a whole lot left over.

2:13:04Thank you.

2:13:05For a lot of cities and communities.

2:13:11Am I correct?

2:13:12I think that's right.

2:13:13And then of course that doesn't consider some of the other costs that are going to be out there that they are going to be looking to try to mitigate from the loss of federal resources.

2:13:24Exactly.

2:13:25I just want to say again, you, your team, Four Star, thank you, Mayor.

2:13:30Thank you, Mayor.

2:13:31Councilor Carr, love you.

2:13:32You have done some amazing work over the years, and I just didn't follow you this— just this last year.

2:13:38I have followed you in the last couple years or so, and you all are the bomb.com because it's a lot of work down there.

2:13:46It's— I mean, I know it's fast-moving and you got to act on the go, but just know if I can do anything to be helpful, whether it be to testify or call someone, just don't hesitate Thank you so much.

2:14:00We look forward to enlisting council in this activity and engaging you all, so we appreciate that.

2:14:07Thank you.

2:14:07Thank you, team.

2:14:10Thank you, Councilor.

2:14:11Councilor Avalos.

2:14:15Um, Councilor Smith's line of questioning made me think of a question.

2:14:20I wonder, to her point around playing defense versus offense, What does it look like for us to prepare through both this session and just in the rest of this year ahead of next year's long session to build partnerships and work with our state electeds to create a joint agenda that our reps and senators can champion on the city's behalf?

2:14:41Like, is that common practice?

2:14:43If not, why?

2:14:44Like, I'm just trying to understand how ahead of next year's long session we can be helpful or engage with your office to actually develop with our electeds some proposals that they champion.

2:14:57Does that— does my question make sense?

2:15:00Absolutely makes sense.

2:15:00And I think the inclusionary housing is a place where some of that could happen.

2:15:04And I know that your Homelessness and Housing Committee has had some conversations around that.

2:15:12I think that would be something that OGR, the Housing Bureau, and the Attorney's Office would really welcome and be enthusiastic about engaging in and finding a common path to move forward.

2:15:26We do work with legislators.

2:15:28You know, the cycle for the long session and planning for that really is starting now too.

2:15:34There will be a number of these issues that will likely carry over into the next year, and the end of session will be a time of this short session will be a time where we'll want to get started right away on how do we best position ourselves to be a resource to those legislators to make sure that they have all of the information and tools they need to support the work and the city in its agenda.

2:16:07Thank you, Sam.

2:16:09Those are my questions.

2:16:10I just want to read into the record some expectations that I have.

2:16:13So first, I believe that community involvement cannot end with this agenda adoption.

2:16:20These priorities that we're talking about, they affect renters, workers, immigrants, people experiencing homelessness, communities of color, especially in East Portland.

2:16:29And so I expect ongoing visible pathways for community input throughout the legislative session.

2:16:34Happy to work with you on what that looks like, and I think there are a lot of areas where we can— we maybe need to create new best practices around that, particularly when things are fast-moving and new issues are emerging.

2:16:48I just want to make sure that community voices are not incidental or filtered solely through internal channels.

2:16:55I want to make sure that they have meaningful access to shape our advocacy as conditions change.

2:17:00Second, I want to be clear about council process.

2:17:03When feedback is gathered on legislative priorities or emergent bills, councilors should not be isolated from one another.

2:17:10I expect transparency about how priorities are being weighed across council, especially in a 12-member body with different district realities and committee responsibilities.

2:17:19And as I have said before, informal one-on-one processes can't replace shared understanding and equitable participation.

2:17:26So I really look for coordination that strengthens council alignment, not thank you.

2:17:31Thank you.

2:17:31Thank you, Mayor.

2:17:31I just want to say that I'm really glad that the mayor is going to be here for the public comment session.

2:17:31I think that obscures it.

2:17:33Third, I just want to expect— I expect a clear and inclusive rapid response approach.

2:17:39We've been talking about the ways that you all are planning to create spaces for us to check in as things change.

2:17:47We are operating in an environment where state and federal developments are shifting really quickly.

2:17:52Transportation funding instability is a current example of that.

2:17:56And rapid response cannot mean narrowing decision-making to a few voices.

2:18:00So I want to see timely notice to council, space for alignment, clarity about when and how positions are taken, especially when there are significant district-level impacts.

2:18:12And finally, I just want to underscore that trust is built through transparency and respect, not just in outcomes but also in this process, right?

2:18:20I support coordinated advocacy.

2:18:22I want to— I expect that coordination reflects our values.

2:18:28I want to see equity among counselors.

2:18:30I want to see this community engagement be meaningful, and I want to see clear communication when these circumstances change.

2:18:37These are the kinds of expectations that I think are, for me, are going to be essential to how I evaluate our intergovernmental work going forward.

2:18:46I, as you know, my office is always open, and I'm happy to brainstorm and think of new and creative thank you.

2:18:51I think we need to find creative ways to do that, especially as we are navigating a new form of government.

2:18:55And I'll just end on, I really do see and am curious about how we can start to work with some of our state elected partners.

2:19:04I've been in close communication with our new state rep, Lamar Wise.

2:19:08Him and I are cooking up a lot of ideas.

2:19:11And so I'm just trying to figure out what the right process is for us to bring those ideas forward to OGR.

2:19:17Thank you, Councilor.

2:19:22I appreciate that.

2:19:23I think those are very fair expectations, and I think, you know, I, I believe and hope that we can meet those.

2:19:30And I look forward to connecting with you to learn a little more about some of the, the ideas.

2:19:36Uh, and, and finally, just the trust building is such a critical component for us.

2:19:42That is, you know, something we have to build trust with the public.

2:19:42Thank you.

2:19:42That we want to build, you know, continue, uh, to have a trusting relationship because we think that's kind of the, the magic that, that makes us successful.

2:19:56Thank you.

2:19:58Thank you, Councilor.

2:20:00Uh, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2:20:04Um, first I want to say thank you to the Office of Government Relations for adding age-friendly housing to the affordable housing area of importance.

2:20:12And also regarding the property tax and state revenue reform, I'd like to highlight that the state legislature passed HB 2321, which directs the legislative fiscal officer to analyze and prepare a report on this very topic around options for modernizing our state property tax system.

2:20:32And so that House Bill is encouraging, and I am hopeful that we can engage those state partners who also see this as an area of urgency and importance.

2:20:43And thank you for all your work.

2:20:45Thank you.

2:20:47Thank you, Councilor.

2:20:47Councilor Zimmerman.

2:20:50Sam, I'm just trying to understand how to compare the general principles and areas of importance document to the state legislative agenda.

2:21:00The reason, or what's made me highlight the differences here, is my fellow Councilor Koyama Lane just mentioned that the property taxes are in one piece but not the other.

2:21:09So I'm trying to understand what carries more weight.

2:21:15What's actually the agenda?

2:21:18The top priorities you could think of as something we're gonna be more proactive in engaging and seeking to advance city, uh, the city agenda.

2:21:30That's what's listed under agenda.

2:21:32And so that's the top priorities.

2:21:33And then general principles, areas of importance, are areas that we know are also priorities for the city and that we will be, uh, tracking, monitoring, and reactive to, but we will be less proactive in those areas.

2:21:48Okay, um, I, I disagree I disagree slightly and agree in part with what Councilor Avalos stated.

2:21:56I did appreciate that she laid out some expectations, and I think that's really fair.

2:22:00The deference to districts is something I really agree with her on.

2:22:03If you see something that is particularly of district importance, I hope that there's at least a lens to that.

2:22:09And I think that our colleagues in each of those districts, if there is a micro issue, are the best ones to speak on those.

2:22:16Councilor Wilson.

2:22:18When it comes to community engagement, I hope you all are not.

2:22:22I think your job is to be engaging with the body down there, and I think if you needed community engagement, I hope you call upon us because our network to reach into the community and rally them to your effort is better.

2:22:35And I hope that those can be complementary efforts, and maybe where Councilor Avalos and I are saying it, but if you were out there trying to do community engagement instead of be with the body, I'd consider that a worse practice, not a best practice.

2:22:47Thank you.

2:22:48So if you need it, I'd say call upon us, and that's our role to rally the troops, so to speak.

2:22:57I'm very uncomfortable with the behavioral health capacity paragraph as it's written.

2:23:02It's low energy, it's weak.

2:23:04I don't see that anybody actually would get anything from it or know what we care about.

2:23:11I, I cannot support a statement that says anybody who's engaged in this area of our work knows that some of the leading providers in this state are the leading problems in this state relative to this topic.

2:23:28I do not stand with the providers as a blanket statement, and I'm not going to hold this agenda over a barrel to get serious about my theatrics of ripping this whole thing up and just saying, we want a mental health hospital in the North Campus for the metro area, which I've said in previous meetings.

2:23:48But the seriousness from which the City of Portland advocates for behavioral health capacity cannot go underemphasized.

2:23:58We are not in this line of business, and yet this item affects almost every line of business we are in.

2:24:05And I just have to emphasize this better.

2:24:07I think that we can make this a stronger statement.

2:24:10I think anybody who talks about behavioral health with, we want to increase capacity and the number is not in the hundreds, I don't want to know their name.

2:24:21If they want to talk about safeguarding access, I don't even know what that means.

2:24:28I am looking for the City of Portland to have gloves off on this topic.

2:24:35And to be supportive of the counties when they go gloves off on this topic.

2:24:38I think you guys know that about me.

2:24:40I'm just saying that from Councilor Smith's point, like, what are the top 3?

2:24:44When I get an agenda handed to me, I'm kind of doing the quick glance, and our seriousness of behavioral health didn't come off the page that way.

2:24:51So I just want to share that with you guys.

2:24:53I, um, I think you guys have done a good job splitting a I'm myself part cat, so I get it.

2:25:05But I actually— I'm willing to bet that most of my colleagues would be comfortable with you being more sharp-mouthed on behavioral health, especially with our state folks.

2:25:18I do have a question, and I'm just— in a world of strange bedfellows, I did not expect to get a letter from the business community, smart growth, realtors, and Senator Khan Fam on an inclusionary zoning topic.

2:25:37That has put me up in the Upside Down world, which is probably good that the, uh, Stranger Things last season has come out.

2:25:44But I, I— what I'm— here's what I'm trying to figure out, Sam, and I just cannot.

2:25:49One, I don't have the legislative concept, right?

2:25:51I've just heard this idea, but I haven't been given the language.

2:25:53So as As nice as her request was, I'm not willing to take a different point here based on her public testimony until I actually see the real language here.

2:26:04I just have this like one-liner.

2:26:06But what I can't tell right now is if this is an effort to expand inclusionary zoning, which we kind of call the 19-unit experiment that doesn't— hasn't produced great results in Portland across the entire state of Oregon, or is it recognizing that we have a 19-unit problem and trying to still expand but fixing it?

2:26:36And I can't get that from here.

2:26:38And so when I can't get that, and when I'm looking at strange bedfellows, I'm probably willing to go with the Housing Bureau, yours, and our attorney's position, which is this might be a problem, but I, I'm really having a tough time tracking this.

2:26:52Um, and I have not been brought into this conversation that you mentioned that some people have been working with various offices on.

2:26:58So I might be working from a position with a little bit less information, but I'm hoping that we can— because that was a very specific request she made, and, and I don't— I'm not yet ready to take that leap.

2:27:11What's going on there?

2:27:12So let me, uh, first Uh, address the engagement.

2:27:17I, I think you make a very good point about engagement.

2:27:20I think that if there is interest in engagement, I think there are opportunities for the council members and for our electeds and for other forums where there are topics being covered by the community to monitor and track those.

2:27:35And we can, can help make sure that there are understandings of legislation, if you're having town halls or other kinds of activities.

2:27:46We are not an entity that goes out and does direct negotiation with the community.

2:27:51That's— that we are getting that from you, and we are wanting to support you if you need community engagement as a part of your way of processing the issues.

2:28:01And, and so we're happy to help with that.

2:28:04Behavioral health, we course added this as a priority based on the work session conversations.

2:28:12The position of the city is that behavioral health is not a service that we directly do, and we are often reluctant to put forward things that aren't directly related to the city's work.

2:28:33Behavioral health is so integrated into the success of the work that we are doing with our homeless community, with, um, and, and with, you know, a number of issues at the city.

2:28:47This is really to identify that we are in a cut session right now and that we want to make sure that we're protecting those resources.

2:28:58And to do that, we need to come to the table with the other partners and coalitions that have been working toward that effort to protect those services.

2:29:08And so how can we help amplify and identify what those are?

2:29:13These are issues that— these are pretty broad buckets.

2:29:17When we have an issue that we think is— council may not align with, that we're going to have conversations with you about that, and we're going to bring that back to you.

2:29:29And, uh, and of course the timeline might be really quick, and short session is going to be happening very fast.

2:29:35So we're gonna, we're gonna try to do it, uh, with all of these mechanisms that we've set up with you all, and, uh, and try to make the best judgment call.

2:29:43But it's one that we are going to make that we hope can continues to maintain your trust.

2:29:50On the inclusionary housing, the, uh, the Homelessness and Housing Committee members have been pretty engaged in that conversation beginning.

2:30:02Well, I'm one of them.

2:30:03I wasn't.

2:30:04Okay, well, we offered you briefings, I think.

2:30:07Yeah, but in terms of— we can't— like, having us come together in quorums and working through it.

2:30:11So this was at council, I think, but I've seen the there's no—.

2:30:14I've never been in a meeting with Senator Fong.

2:30:16I haven't been in a meeting with anybody else about expanding this as far as I know.

2:30:21So—.

2:30:22Well, they came and presented it to the Homelessness and Housing Committee.

2:30:26And so that was just one touchpoint.

2:30:30And, you know, there's other business that councilors need to do.

2:30:34And so it may not have— but we've tried to keep updates communicated.

2:30:39We've tried to email council and engage, and so we have not had convers— we've tried to make sure the door is open and, and, and be available and make sure that you're tracking that there's an issue.

2:30:54But we, we need you to reach back and say, I do want to learn about this.

2:30:59And so, you know, that's part of how we need to get that better.

2:31:04We need to make I want to make sure that we're connecting with you in the ways that work for council members to process this.

2:31:12The housing— the inclusionary zoning issue is one where there is a different perspective on what the bill and the legislative concept would do.

2:31:22And at the end of the day, the city has done a lot of analysis through the housing— through the Attorney's Office through the Housing Bureau to identify that this, this would require— it would take the decision-making authority on how much money goes into the deals from the city, and the state would determine how much money the city needs to put in.

2:31:48It would be put in statute.

2:31:49If the developer that was building something didn't agree with that, then they have an avenue to sue the city because of this statute.

2:31:58So that's the legal liability and the unfunded mandate part.

2:32:03And I guess the preemptive part, which is taking that decision-making away from— we're the only jurisdiction with inclusionary housing in the state.

2:32:12So it's really impacting Portland and not the other cities.

2:32:16The final part is that there's 241 cities in the state.

2:32:21And they are indicating that they're far more likely to lean away from putting inclusionary zoning policies in place because this is more restrictive and onerous for them because of these liabilities.

2:32:37So it doesn't do anything to fix the unit cap that we've seen, that issue, right?

2:32:44We've seen units of 19 and 18 get developed so they don't qualify or It doesn't do anything to fix that gap or that issue.

2:32:51It actually expands this wider or more broadly to the rest of the state?

2:32:55It doesn't expand it to the state.

2:32:57It just, it just adds this additional funding mandate that you have to, you have to comply with the— you have to make whole the developer, uh, on the amount, and the state determines what that amount now, I do want to thank— I mean, there was some discussion during the session.

2:33:18It was originally proposed as it needs to be 120% of the cost provided to the developer.

2:33:25They've reduced that to 100%, so that's the right direction.

2:33:29But it's still a requirement that the state would determine instead of council making that decision.

2:33:35The state would make that decision.

2:33:37Okay.

2:33:39Since it's a question that was posed to us, I would say like there are parts of that answer where the preemption is concerning to me.

2:33:47There are other parts where, you know, I can't tell yet if, especially without the legislative concept, right, without having that available in that language, I think it's hard to make this call on that request that was made.

2:34:03So I'm probably not there yet.

2:34:04I think it's important to note that the language in the ordinance and I'll stick with where the city staff have made the recommendation, but not for the reasons of preserving Portland's model.

2:34:15I just want to be clear.

2:34:16I don't think that's working great either, but this is a little murky.

2:34:19And so thanks for diving in a little bit.

2:34:22I hear that.

2:34:23And I appreciate Senator Pham getting in and advocating.

2:34:27I just—.

2:34:27I'm not quite there yet to make a call.

2:34:34I will mention, you know, we— and this again, it was late coming last night because we understood that there was more conversation around the inclusionary housing, but we did present— we did provide— all council should have copies of the legislative concept.

2:34:55This came Did you get them in last night?

2:34:58Yes.

2:34:58Okay, all right, thank you.

2:35:00Thank you, Councilor.

2:35:01Councilor Morillo.

2:35:04Thank you, Madam President.

2:35:05Thank you so much for this presentation.

2:35:07I just wanna say in my experience working with your office, it's been really helpful.

2:35:11I've gotten briefings.

2:35:12I think you've even proactively flagged things based on my values that I've expressed up here that you thought I would be interested in or firmly against.

2:35:20So I just appreciate your team a lot.

2:35:22I think you've taken a lot of time with me made sure that I felt comfortable with things.

2:35:26I also really appreciate that you outlined that the general consensus form for how we are discussing consensus among council, but then also outlining that councilors are still able to speak as individuals because we know that ranked choice voting in districts means that you're going to have people that are going to be all over the spectrum on different issues, and that's actually healthy, and that we still get to keep our voice.

2:35:47But when you're representing the city, you're in a very particular role.

2:35:50So I just want to honor that very difficult position that you're in.

2:35:55I also think that it's our job as councilors to be the conveners of community.

2:35:59We're the ones who are having constituent coffees and town halls.

2:36:02We're in our districts, so we have the staffing and the manpower to do that.

2:36:07I suspect that you guys do not in your office.

2:36:09So I would say that if there are questions about what we're hearing from our community, we should convey that to you, and you should use thank you.

2:36:19And I feel very comfortable that if I ever had a town hall or anything, I could invite you if there was a matter of public interest in, in some policy coming up.

2:36:26So that's just where I'm at with the community engagement piece.

2:36:31I also apologize if you did try to reach out about the inclusionary housing portion.

2:36:37I think I was carrying 2 heavy policies over the past few weeks and months, and so maybe I missed that.

2:36:44I would say my team ended up getting a briefing on this.

2:36:48I did not get a chance to connect with your team on this.

2:36:51But in general, I think that there is broad concern about preemption.

2:36:58But I think that this is an issue that does impact the entire state.

2:37:02This is not actually just a Portland issue.

2:37:04We have this issue across all of Oregon.

2:37:06And I think that state mandates are also an important tool when it comes to the area of housing because we have a statewide crisis.

2:37:14And I think that Portland can't really solve these issues alone, even if we are doing everything possible to build more housing here.

2:37:21We need neighboring jurisdictions to also pull their own weight.

2:37:24And I think that this proposal, it seems, resolves some of those issues.

2:37:29I also haven't had a chance to read the LC yet, so I'm curious to hear about more details on that.

2:37:36But I'm generally leaning towards being supportive of Senator Pham's proposal here.

2:37:42I also think that requiring funding of inclusionary zoning programs is a really sensible step because it avoids allowing inclusionary zoning to become a tool for NIMBYism.

2:37:54And I think affordable housing is the top priority.

2:37:57So that's where I stand on that, given my limited and last-minute understanding of this policy.

2:38:03But appreciate your explaining more of that to us here.

2:38:08Thank you.

2:38:09And I, and I want to correct myself there.

2:38:12I sent out an email yesterday articulating the ways that we're working on inclusionary housing and some of the analysis that we have received from the city, and it included a legal memo.

2:38:30But it didn't have the legislative concept language that was requested by some, and so we sent that.

2:38:35But I will, I will be very happy to make sure that anybody that would like to read through that has that opportunity.

2:38:42And we also want to continue to work on, you know, getting to the right place with an approach to inclusionary housing, and we want to do that with CenterFam and any other allies that we can.

2:38:57We are happy to, to, to take some time to help make sure that folks are understanding the, the, you know, recommendations that we're getting from the city as well as from others in the community.

2:39:15Anything further, Councilor?

2:39:17No, thank you so much.

2:39:19Um, colleagues, I just want to note that if we want to get to the last 2 items on our agenda, we can take about 15 more minutes on this item.

2:39:29Councilor Green, go right ahead.

2:39:33Thank you, Sam.

2:39:33And I just— I want to recognize that your team has been very busy.

2:39:37I think you guys are one of the hardest-working entities in our government.

2:39:42I, you know, it's really impressive and it's really appreciated.

2:39:46We have worked a lot together.

2:39:47You've been in my office a lot, specifically on So I've seen you try to work with me on this because I originally asked that this be part of the agenda.

2:40:00You raised the concerns.

2:40:01We had a meeting with Portland Housing Bureau.

2:40:02So I'm up to speed on the city's concerns on that regard.

2:40:06What I'm not up to speed on is how the conversation has evolved between OGR and Senator Pham's office.

2:40:13And so, you know, what I'd like to sort of articulate here is an appeal that the city's concerns the language that's in the legislative agenda isn't going to lead to an opposition place.

2:40:25And I think what you've expressed to us is, is you're still open to, to getting to yes, or at least neutral on this.

2:40:33And I just kind of want to offer for some of my colleagues who maybe haven't been in the trenches on this why, why I do think it's worthwhile getting to yes on Senator Pham's proposal.

2:40:43You know, my understanding on the LC-5 proposal is it doesn't mandate that you, that you use inclusionary zoning or inclusionary housing.

2:40:52It's just that if you have that, it needs to be fully funded, and then there are some certain kind of conditions there.

2:40:57And so I think to the earlier point and question and concern that Councilor Zimmerman rightfully raised, does this create more of the 19-unit problem?

2:41:05I don't think that it does, and I think it's actually an effort to sort of address that problem.

2:41:09And I, and I, I had the benefit of being in a space that Senator Pham had convened with a bunch of developers.

2:41:16And this was a few months ago now.

2:41:18And this was a topic that was addressed.

2:41:20And you, you know, on this letter, I don't think Portland Metro Chamber was there, but PMAR was there.

2:41:26Oregon Smart Growth was there.

2:41:28And there was discussion about how fundamentally broken inclusionary housing is in producing sort of adverse outcomes based upon our structure, and that this was an effort to fix it, but not just for the, you know, for cities like Portland to adopt it, but really try to move us forward.

2:41:49And I do want to advocate that I think it's appropriate for state-level preemption in some cases where we are just fundamentally way too slow because we are in a housing crisis.

2:42:00There was an earlier idea that I don't think was ever seriously going to be considered, but I wanted to bring it into play because because I thought it was important to talk about was I think the state should preempt and sort of give us a zoning map that fixes our low-density problem in the City of Portland because I don't think we're going to get there in a meaningful amount of time working through our normal channels, and we have a crisis on our hands.

2:42:23So I do think it's important that we do support some preemption efforts where they're applicable that help us address kind of regional-level housing shortage problems because I think as my colleagues, some of my colleagues earlier noted that this is a state-level issue and the metro region as a whole deals with Portland's inability to build housing and then that continues to spill out and so forth and then that drives pressure to expand our urban growth boundary and that drives sprawl that moves us back on our climate goals.

2:42:59So this is all very interconnected to So I'm very compelled by the letter that I received, and I think we all received.

2:43:07It's in the written testimony for this item dated December 15th, uh, that does offer support for LC-5.

2:43:15And it argues that there is a pathway for some of these legal risk questions.

2:43:21And I do think it's important for us to engage on the legal risk questions because we don't want to expose ourselves to unfunded mandates.

2:43:26I agree.

2:43:27And I'll note, colleagues, it's Habitat for Humanity, it's Housing Oregon, it's Oregon Smart Growth, it's the Metro Chamber, it's the Portland Metropolitan Association of Realtors, it's ProudGown, and it's the Sightline Institution.

2:43:37So this is a very interesting cross-section, as you noted.

2:43:41So that's very compelling to me.

2:43:43We're in the upside down, as it were.

2:43:45So I'm going to kind of support Senator Pham's appeal tonight, but I do want to recognize that you guys have done a lot of work.

2:43:52And I want to continue to offer to be at the table to help that work move forward.

2:43:56But I really caution against us going to an oppose.

2:44:00And then I'm going to wrap up here just by saying, I know it's a short session.

2:44:04You can only do so much.

2:44:05But to the extent that these conversations do emerge around revenue, specifically around decoupling from H.R.

2:44:131, I would like us to be on the right side of history there because I don't think that we need to pass through the Trump tax cuts that starve our community of the resources that we need.

2:44:22So I'll leave it there, and you can respond to me if you'd like.

2:44:26Thank you.

2:44:26I, I, you know, I, I think we are— the way I would view the inclusionary housing is that the, the recommendations of, of the administrative arm of the, the city is that this causes more harm than than not to the city's ability to run the program and causes more harm than is intended, I think, by any party to the ability to have jurisdictions throughout the state adopting inclusionary housing.

2:45:03That is an assessment that is of the city, and that does not mean that that's you know, that's not where we get our directive.

2:45:13It's the combination of this.

2:45:14And so if we can't get to an agreement, that would be more of a neutral position.

2:45:19I would ask that folks have conversations with the Housing Bureau and the attorneys to really understand this, because as I understand it, it is a significant liability that the city would be taking on.

2:45:35And I think unclear what the benefit is for the city of Portland.

2:45:41So I think my request is to take some time to hear from those parties at the city, to hear that perspective, but we are—.

2:46:00And we will come back.

2:46:01Back to you and really identify where council is in terms of that issue.

2:46:07We won't, we won't just proceed without engaging you.

2:46:11I appreciate that.

2:46:11Thank you.

2:46:13Colleagues, I'll note that we do have a process that we have talked through about what we consider consensus and how we determine that.

2:46:21Um, but I believe as part of the documents we have before us today, one of the, the supplemental documents.

2:46:27Councilor Novick.

2:46:29Yeah, I've spent a chunk of time just in the past day going back and forth on this, and I started off sort of where Councilor Zimmerman is, that wow, there's a lot of strange bedfellows.

2:46:37And I heard a good case from Sightline yesterday, and then I went to SAM, etc., today, and they had pretty good response to Sightline's case.

2:46:45And at this point, I kind of feel like we should have further conversations about it.

2:46:49And well, I mean, I want to figure out if there's a group of us that can agree to keep on talking about it, avoiding a quorum.

2:46:55I mean, I think there's these 4 people on this side of the table.

2:46:59Is there like a 5th?

2:47:00I mean, and I think, I guess we're a quorum of the Revenue Committee.

2:47:04It's not like the Revenue Committee will be dealing with this.

2:47:07Is there anybody else who'd like to be part of these conversations?

2:47:11Councilor Dunphy?

2:47:12Okay, does that make 6 of us?

2:47:15Well, wait a minute.

2:47:17We may quickly get to a quorum of folks interested.

2:47:22Well, let's see.

2:47:24No, I mean, wait a minute.

2:47:28Okay, you can— all right, so Zimmerman, Green, Novick, Murillo, Dunphy, Ryan.

2:47:36Councilor, I want to make sure we also have all opinions on council represented, so why don't we take offline trying to figure out if there's a group that can do this that represents the breadth of opinions on council and doesn't lead to a quorum, because there are some folks here who we haven't heard from, and I'm not sure what their positions on this particular issue are.

2:47:55Um, I don't plan to go into my own tonight, uh, but let's take this offline, I think.

2:48:02Okay.

2:48:05Did you have anything further?

2:48:08Oh yeah, I'm, uh, just pleased as punch that Measure 50 is part of our legislative agenda.

2:48:13Woohoo!