Portland City Council Regular Session

6:24Good morning.

6:25It is 9:31 on September September 24th.

6:28I am calling to order this meeting of the Portland City Council.

6:33Welcome everybody.

6:35Uh, Keelan, could you please take roll?

6:37Koyama Lane.

6:38Here.

6:38Morillo.

6:39Here.

6:42Clark.

6:42Here.

6:43Green.

6:43Here.

6:44Zimmerman.

6:45Present.

6:47Dunphy.

6:47Here.

6:48Smith.

6:49Here.

6:49Wall.

6:50Here.

6:50Quinn.

6:51Here.

6:51Little Guinea.

6:52Here.

6:54Thank you.

6:54And could we please get the, um, order and our, our statement of decorum read before we begin?

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8:11Thank you.

8:13Thank you very much.

8:16Um, colleagues, we have an agenda that is a lot of second readings and some more administrative items today.

8:21Okay, but the first thing we need to do is agenda approval.

8:24I will note that agenda item 5, which is the authorizing a contract for District 1 offices for 2 of our District 1 councilors, has been pulled off of the consent agenda and is now placed at the end of the agenda.

8:42I will also note that agenda items 11, 13, 14, and 16 17, which are 4 of the foreclosure items on our agenda, have been pulled back to the mayor's office.

8:57I suspect that we'll hear that there are negotiations underway for payment on those, uh, properties.

9:05In addition to those changes, are there any other proposed changes to the agenda?

9:12Seeing none, do I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

9:15Aye.

9:17Okay, I'm seeing nods around the dais.

9:21Thank you.

9:24The next item on the agenda, um, is our first time certain item.

9:31Keelan, could you please call the agenda item?

9:35Item 2, amend city code to reduce permit submittal requirements and temporarily suspend city-imposed development upgrade requirements.

9:45Thank you.

9:49And colleagues, this is a second reading.

9:53Um, we heard this at our last meeting, so if there is no discussion, we will move to a vote.

10:01Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, could you please call the roll?

10:04Koyama Lane?

10:05Aye.

10:06Murillo?

10:08Aye.

10:08Aye.

10:09Clark?

10:09Aye.

10:10Green?

10:10Aye.

10:11Zimmerman?

10:15Aye.

10:16Proud of the team for this work.

10:18Excited to push on to Cap 2.

10:20Let's go.

10:20I vote aye.

10:25Aye.

10:26Aye.

10:26Aye.

10:28Aye.

10:29New ordinance passes with 11 yes votes.

10:33Thank you.

10:33And Keelan, could you please call the next agenda item?

10:43Item 3, approve comprehensive plan map, zone map, and Title 33 amendments as proposed in Portland-Gresham Urban Service Boundary Amendments Project.

10:54And colleagues, as a reminder, this is one of 2 items that are coming together, agenda items 3 and 4.

11:01We will open agenda item 4.

11:03Sorry, my mistake.

11:05That's actually a time certain.

11:09And—.

11:09Ooh, it is a time certain for 10 o'clock, isn't it?

11:11Well, yeah, and the first one was actually a time certain for 9:45.

11:15Sorry about that.

11:17We moved through introductions too quickly.

11:19Yeah, should have taken longer calling roll.

11:23Colleagues, why don't we move forward to agenda item 5?

11:30Or I'm sorry, it would be consent next, wouldn't it?

11:32Why don't we move to the consent agenda, which is agenda item 6, vote on consent, and then see where we're at time-wise.

11:41Uh, Koyama Lane?

11:45Aye.

11:47Aye.

11:49Aye.

11:50Aye.

11:51Aye.

11:53Aye.

11:55Aye.

11:56Aye.

11:57Aye.

11:58Aye.

11:59Aye.

12:00The ordinance— or sorry, the consent agenda is approved with 11 aye votes.

12:08Okay, uh, should we move to agenda item 7 while we wait for time to catch up?

12:15Great, why don't you get us started there, Keelan?

12:22Item 7, amend parking space reservation code to allow for flexibility in the distribution of responsibilities.

12:31Thank you, colleagues.

12:32This is a second reading of an ordinance, so we can move straight to a vote if there's no discussion.

12:36I'm pausing for a minute because it's It sounded like there might be some discussion or proposed amendments coming today.

12:45I'm not seeing anyone in the queue though.

12:48So, Councilor Dunphy.

12:51Thank you.

12:52Yeah, there was some good conversations that happened as a result of this.

12:56I think that there are some good questions that this body needs to be answering.

13:01Also, while this isn't directly related to the broader conversation about hours for parking, I do look forward to having that conversation.

13:08I've been hearing In recent weeks, I've been hearing a lot from the music community, from the arts community, from the theater community, and from the film community explicitly saying that this is already creating a hardship in their industries.

13:21So I look forward to that conversation about figuring out how we can accommodate that, whether it is the broader conversation about rolling back choices or authorities, but also whether or not we make exceptions.

13:31So I look forward to that conversation and look forward to including as many colleagues as want to be involved and can without avoiding A quorum, and we'll be moving forward to support this item today.

13:42So thank you.

13:43Thank you, Councilor.

13:44Councilor Kanal.

13:45Thank you, Madam President.

13:46I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here to say, as it relates to your question, that there may be action through a different vehicle than this particular document.

13:56So that question around the hours is sort of separated here.

13:59I will just again note that I think we are committing here to a level of specificity in code that I think is good, and I hope we continue that when we get to some more difficult things coming down the pike.

14:11Thanks.

14:12Thank you, Councilor.

14:12Councilor Clark.

14:14Thank you, Madam Chair.

14:15I just wanted to reassure you that while there was some discussion of amendments, that's not happening today.

14:21We're having those conversations separately, as you heard, and any questions around the labor issue here were resolved as well.

14:27So this should be fine.

14:30Thank you.

14:31I had also had some conversations about the labor concerns, and it sounded like we had gotten to an okay place despite the fact that there were some current concerns.

14:40But there may be some follow-up needed in the future on that.

14:46So maybe that's something that you and I can coordinate on.

14:49Councilor Koyama Lane.

14:50Thank you so much, Council President.

14:53I'm interested in further conversations around the extended parking hours.

14:58And I also am a little confused because I think we voted in our budget, we planned out how much— we knew that we were going to get about $1 million more from that.

15:08So I just am wondering if that means we have to find $1 million somewhere else.

15:13But happy— I'm interested in hearing more.

15:15Thank you, Councilor.

15:17Councilor Green?

15:19Yep, thank you, uh, Councilor Koyama Lane.

15:21Good question.

15:22Um, I had a conversation yesterday, uh, with some leadership in PBOT, and I think that it— you're raising an important issue.

15:29And so we've asked them to sort of provide an analysis of what the net impact would be should we, in a separate action, not today, but if someone were to bring an ordinance that rolls back that extension, we would have some clear eyes on what the costs would be.

15:46So that discussion is underway.

15:49Thank you.

15:49And I just went in the queue to just say I want to echo everything Councilor Kanal said without repeating it.

15:54For the interest of time, thanks.

15:57Thank you, Councilor Green.

15:59Uh, Keelan, seeing no one else in the queue, could you please call the roll?

16:04Koyama Lane?

16:07Aye.

16:08Aye.

16:08Aye.

16:09Aye.

16:10Aye.

16:11Aye.

16:21Aye.

16:22The ordinance passes with 11 aye votes.

16:26Thank you.

16:28Keelan, why don't we move on to agenda item 8?

16:33Amend small donor elections code to adopt the recommendations of the Portland Elections Commission.

16:39Thank you, colleagues.

16:40Again, this is a second reading of an ordinance.

16:42I am not seeing anyone in the queue for discussion.

16:46So, Keelan, could you please call the roll?

16:48Oh, Councilor Ryan is asking us to pause.

16:51Go right ahead, Councilor.

16:53Thank you, Madam President.

16:57Yeah, I guess that pause is a good word.

17:00I thought it would be important to, because we had a lot of conversation about this at governance and when items come to the council without a little bit of a summary, I think it's just important.

17:10I know we did a little bit of that last week.

17:13But, um, I just want to say that there were 2 things that were a little troubling to me about this.

17:19Um, and I have to say, I'm the— I have been a frequent flyer.

17:23I've been a member of this program in 2020, 2022, 2024.

17:29I'm hoping that I'm finally not on the ballot in 2026.

17:33Um, I am going to, um, I'm going to vote no, but I know this will pass.

17:38I'm doing it for because I want the dissent to be recognized as something that we have to just keep our eyes on.

17:46And that's around the third party, the third-party donors.

17:51Let me find a spot.

17:52Sorry.

17:53I just want to make sure we have transparency.

17:55This is a program that I really care about, and I'm worried that if we don't really stay on this issue with a lot of transparency, we could run into some problems later on.

18:05When we have paid solicitors that go door to door to fundraise for candidates who are third-party canvassers who represent multiple candidates and causes, to have public money go to those political nonprofits campaigning for a slate just remains a concern.

18:20And I think that we need to be reminded that those third-party canvassers need to disclose all their beneficiary causes and candidates so clearly in front of the people that they're engaging with.

18:34This is something I wasn't looking to talk about.

18:36It's just something that kept coming up to me from confused neighbors and such.

18:40So I just wanted to make sure that we continue to daylight that.

18:44It seems like a relatively easy requirement to institute since we all want more transparency in our elections process, and I didn't think there'd be any objections.

18:52So I just hope that Susan and the commission that you work with, the advisory body, um, just stays on this issue.

19:01Um, I just would hate for us to see one or two bad, um, situations, uh, take it down like it did the first iteration, which I think was now 20 years ago.

19:11So that's why I'm going to have a dissent vote on this item.

19:14Thanks.

19:16Thank you, Councilor Ryan, for that background and explanation.

19:20Councilor Smith.

19:21Thank you, Council President.

19:23Could I have Susan Moté come up the director.

19:26Susan, please go ahead and join us.

19:32Thank you for coming up.

19:33Uh, just in addition to what Councilor Ryan is talking about, what are the other changes to this so that I can remind myself to this, uh, small donor election, uh, vote today?

19:47Yeah, and if you could please introduce yourself first, that would be great.

19:51Sure.

19:52I apologize, I actually don't have the summary up and I can't do it from memory.

19:57So I will pull that up.

19:58But first, I will introduce myself.

20:00My name is Susan Mottay and I am the director of the Small Donor Elections Program.

20:07And I will talk about the changes I do remember first.

20:13So one of them is to— Give delegate authority to the Portland Elections Commission so that they can institute a rule preventing— to not match— sorry, not match, not count contributions from other candidates toward the $250 or $750 certification levels in order to get matching funds from the program and for the tier to qualify for tiers.

20:45That is designed for the purpose of seeing if we can sort of disincentivize any candidate-to-candidate explicit quid pro quo contribution swaps.

21:00Another thing it does is that it gets the program's— the start and end of the election cycle, it aligns it with the state's recently adopted start and end of the election cycle.

21:13For small-district elections, it's currently 45 days after the prior election, which is usually around December 20th to start.

21:20Okay.

21:23Okay.

21:23And then it is, and then it ends the day of the election.

21:27The state has a more simple thing.

21:29It's just January 1st, the year before the election to December 31st, the year of the election.

21:36Uh, and then it also changes the last— the, the deadline to return unspent matching funds to the program to the last day of the election cycle.

21:47So it's not before the last day of the election cycle, which is December 31st.

21:51Yes.

21:53Um, so I want to go back to the first— to the first item.

21:56So the first item is that you can get a match from someone who's a, um, Who's a candidate, but it can't be used to meet those, uh, thresholds of $250, uh, $750, and $1,200.

22:13That's right.

22:14Okay, but they will be matched, but they just won't count towards, um, getting— meeting those thresholds.

22:21That's right.

22:22Okay, correct.

22:23Thank you.

22:24So I, I'm sorry to have to go over this again, but I think people who are looking at this new and fresh, they don't have the advantage of looking at prior memos to know what we're talking about today, but I really appreciate you going through that again because I totally forgot about it.

22:40Okay, thank you.

22:43Did you want me to review the remaining changes?

22:45Yes, go ahead.

22:46Okay, um, another change is that it updates the administrative rulemaking authority in the code to reflect the charter changes that were made in 2022.

22:59Okay.

23:00Um, it— I'm just scrolling through to make sure I, I catch every single one.

23:07Um, it changes the match cap for the auditor from $100,000 to $50,000 to align its match cap more similarly with the other races' match caps so that they're all a proportion of what it generally takes to win those seats.

23:24That the Auditor's Office isn't the only office to run for where the match cap is significantly higher than it costs to win such a seat.

23:43Okay.

23:44And then I think, I think that might—.

23:49And so it also removes the contradiction in code about the payment of penalties, right?

23:55Yes, yes, it does.

23:56There's a contradiction in code where an amendment was added a few years ago and then it didn't remove the contradictory language about how penalties can be paid.

24:07And then it also eliminates a blanket prohibition on campaigns making any financial transfer to another political committee.

24:19It creates an exception so they can do that for legitimate campaign expenses.

24:24Um, such as in the case where multiple candidates share one expense, like an event together, or if they go in and share a, you know, field director, right, that they can compensate each other, um, for— to share that expense.

24:40Um, because before we would have to pay them individually for our third of it, or that's right.

24:51The vendor would have to bill each campaign their share, and that was very difficult for vendors if 12 campaigns were doing one event together for the vendor to have to bill 12 separate campaigns.

25:02Okay, I see.

25:03Right.

25:06And I believe in terms of the substantive changes to the program that that is everything.

25:16Yes.

25:18Thank you.

25:19Sure.

25:19Thank you, Councilor.

25:23Councilor Koyama Lane.

25:25Hi, um, can you remind me how many candidates were running a year ago?

25:29Was it 118?

25:31118 Ran, but not all participated in the program.

25:34Okay, and how many staff do you have again?

25:36I was trying to remember.

25:38We have 2 staff.

25:39We used to have, um, a number of casual staff who would help us out as things you know, election season ramped up.

25:472 Staff, and that includes you?

25:48Yes, it does.

25:49Okay.

25:50I wanted to thank you for coming to governance, for answering all of our questions, for coming back to governance and doing an extra presentation.

25:57And I also just want to thank you for running this program.

25:59That's a really big one on just 2 staff members.

26:02As someone who just a year ago, as a working mom who was literally teaching 3rd grade and running for office, I know that I personally wouldn't have been able to run or be in this seat without that program.

26:13Thank you for all your work.

26:16Thank you, Councilor.

26:17Councilor Kanal.

26:19Thank you, Madam President.

26:20Thanks for being here, Susan.

26:22I wanted to ask a clarification on Councilor Smith's question.

26:28Is the change that we're making today to actually implement not counting donations from other candidates towards the $250, $750, $1,250, or simply to allow the commission to delegate the authority to the commission to make a, a, a restriction of that nature?

26:45Because in looking at the code, the Exhibit A, the 216-05082, for those following along, it just says including whether to count those contributions.

26:55So I'm—.

26:56I—.

26:56It appeared to me as a delegation, but I'd just love to confirm.

26:59Yes, it is a delegation in order to give the Portland Elections Commission that authority.

27:04Um, what they wanted to do is experiment with making that change and seeing if that got the job done.

27:10And if not, then come back and figure out what else needs to be done before enshrining something in code.

27:18Okay.

27:19Well, I think it's appropriate to delegate authority.

27:23And so I have no concern with this particular provision.

27:27I'll just speak in the encouraging way that I think others have in terms of what we'd like to see after this and say, I don't think candidates waive the right to free speech.

27:36Speech, which Supreme Court has determined donations are a part of by virtue of their own declaration of candidacy.

27:43Um, I personally donated to some of the folks up here, and part of that was having, um, a joint event where, uh, a ticket to a single event gave a donation to multiple candidates.

27:55I think one of the really beautiful things about the 2024 election was the, the collaboration and camaraderie between candidates in multiple overlapping groups.

28:05And, uh, yeah, the obvious one, uh, to my left here.

28:08Uh, but, but it wasn't just that.

28:10I mean, it was— there were tons of different groups.

28:12And I, I don't think that it's, um— I understand the quid pro quo thing completely.

28:16I'm not— I'm differentiating that from just the idea of, I feel like it's a good person who's running for office, especially in another district, um, or here's someone I'd like as a colleague in my district, and, and a donation going that way.

28:29So I think that's a really I think that's the appropriate thing to do.

28:33And I would encourage that to be a part of the conversation at the commission level.

28:40I also wanted to pile on what Councilor Koyama Lane was saying.

28:45We often say that nontraditional candidates are more likely to run because of things like small donor elections or single transferable vote, ranked choice voting in general.

28:55I do not merely believe that that is true.

28:57Yes.

28:58I know it because I, as a non-traditional candidate, looked at those 2 things when deciding to run, and I would not have run without this program.

29:04And while I don't know it for sure, I don't think I would've won without it either.

29:07So I wanted to also say, express my appreciation for you, for Daniel, for all the casual staff that were involved in this as well, because we know that you had people on loan to help with a larger than expected field.

29:20And as a related point, I do think the field is going to reduce naturally.

29:25That's how it has occurred in other cities and states that have done ranked choice voting over around the country.

29:34Obviously, we're gonna have half the number of districts as well, but even within a district, I do expect that to happen without any sort of intervention.

29:41And while that's only semi— only part of the conversation here, I do think there are other conversations going on about how to artificially restrict the field, and I want to—.

29:50Thank you.

29:51Express alarm at that before we get there.

29:54Thanks.

29:57Thank you, Councilor.

29:57Councilor Ryan.

29:58Yeah, just a quick question.

29:59I'm curious.

30:00So when you said that that's the pattern across the country with ranked choice voting, do they also have multiple representatives in one district with single transferable votes?

30:12Most of them do not.

30:13Is it okay to respond?

30:14Most of them do not.

30:15Go ahead.

30:16Thank you for checking.

30:18I think Portland is unique, and I think it's great to have, to be a leader again.

30:24I think for many decades Portland was a city people would look at and say, hey, this is a great idea, maybe we want to do it a little differently in our town, whatever that is.

30:32And I think we got away from that in the last several years.

30:36And I think it's a really good idea that we have done the experiment.

30:41Councilor Dan Ryan.

30:43Are able to point to that, adjust if we need to.

30:46But yeah, it is different in other cities and other states as well.

30:49I'm curious to see how it all shakes out.

30:51Thanks.

30:54Thank you, Councilors.

30:55Susan, thank you.

30:56I know that we pulled you back twice in committee plus twice in Council now, but I'll just reiterate the Vice President's comments that we know it's hard work, it's a lot of work, and it does create accessibility for candidates who wouldn't otherwise be able to be sitting up here with us.

31:12So thank you very much.

31:15Uh, Keelan, seeing no one else in the queue, could you please call the roll?

31:18Koyama Lane?

31:19Aye.

31:20Morillo?

31:21Aye.

31:22Novick?

31:22Aye.

31:23Clark?

31:23Aye.

31:24Green?

31:24Aye.

31:25Zimmerman?

31:25Aye.

31:26Matalos?

31:26Aye.

31:27Dunphy?

31:27Aye.

31:28Smith?

31:29Aye.

31:29No.

31:31Ryan?

31:31No.

31:32Pirtle-Guiney?

31:33Aye.

31:35The ordinance passes with 11 yes votes and 1 no vote.

31:39Thank you.

31:40And Keelan, since we are past 9:45, what do we need to do about that first time certain item?

31:46Yeah, thank you.

31:48The—.

31:49So we— item 2, document number 2025-314, is a time certain scheduled for 9:45.

31:58The oral record for this item is closed.

32:02But I want to make sure that there's no one in the audience who is here for that item.

32:08Council did vote on that item around 9:30, and they voted to pass the ordinance with a yes, 11 vote with 1 absence.

32:22So just going to pause for a minute.

32:26Okay, I think we're good.

32:27Thank you.

32:28Thank you, Keelan.

32:29And it looks like we are not quite to our 10 o'clock time-certain items yet, so why don't we take care of item number 9?

32:41Item 9, declare property located on Southeast 21st Avenue and Southeast Powell Boulevard as surplus property and authorize the city administrator to dispose of the property at fair market value.

32:55Thank you very much, Keelan.

32:56Colleagues, uh, this is a second reading of an ordinance, so unless there is additional discussion, we will move to a vote.

33:04Councilor Clark.

33:06Um, no discussion, but just a point that we— this issue brought up lots of other issues about what kind of property we own around the city, and I think that's, uh, something that really accompanies the asset management plan is what assets do we actually own?

33:20So hopefully we'll be, um, we'll be going after that.

33:23This was a, it was a good discussion.

33:25Thank you.

33:26Thank you, Councilor.

33:28I have already started having conversations with some of the administrative staff about what we can do as next steps because it sounds like there is definitely appetite for a further discussion there.

33:37And given your work on asset management, I think you should certainly be a part of that.

33:43Okay, seeing no further discussion, Keelan, could you please call the roll?

33:49Aye.

33:51Aye.

33:53Aye.

33:56Aye.

33:58Aye.

33:59Aye.

34:00Aye.

34:04Aye.

34:04The ordinance passes with 12 yes votes.

34:13Thank you.

34:14And I think we're close enough now to go back to those 10 o'clock items.

34:18What do you think, Keelan?

34:19Can you read it in 45 seconds so we get to 10?

34:29All right.

34:29Item 3, approve comprehensive plan map, zone map, and Title 33 amendments as proposed in Portland-Gresham Urban Service Boundary Amendments Project.

34:42And item 4, direct city administrator to approve Portland-Gresham Urban Services Intergovernmental Agreement.

34:50Thank you, Keelan and colleagues.

34:51These are second readings, but we had asked— we had kept the record open for longer than we might normally do to give our colleagues in District 1 time to reach out to constituents in these neighborhoods to see if there was anybody else who wanted to provide input.

35:08Councilor Dunphy, would you like to share with us what you found?

35:11Absolutely.

35:12First of all, colleagues, thank you for allowing us to have an additional week to gather input from everybody.

35:19I'm deeply impressed with my team and with the District 1 teams who sprang into action.

35:24And my field organizer and director, Emma Jensen, on my team created a one-pager and ran out, and she and Lucy Moody in my office went and knocked on over 100 doors in this neighborhood.

35:38Overwhelmingly, the feedback we received from Pleasant Valley neighbors was, wow, I can't believe somebody's here knocking on my door.

35:45And also pretty overwhelmingly, meh, like, go ahead.

35:50But they were deeply appreciative for the effort to try and do this.

35:53We are going to try and be more proactive in the near future about things like this.

35:58But it really— this demonstrates the change of what is happening in this community.

36:02I'm If you look on the record, there's at least 4 pieces of testimony there that would not have otherwise been there.

36:09And while it doesn't substantively change the outcome, you know, feedback really matters from the people who are affected.

36:17And this is the embodiment of why we changed this form of government, in my opinion.

36:21So thank you, colleagues, for giving us this space, and I'm ready to move forward and vote on this.

36:27Thank you.

36:28Thank you.

36:29And before we move to other colleagues, Councilor Avalos, Councilor Smith, do either of you have anything to add?

36:35Yeah, I just wanna thank Councilor Dunphy's team for doing some work on that.

36:39I was also at the Powellhurst-Gilbert Neighborhood Association last night where we discussed it a bit and heard similar-ish results.

36:48There was an ask from a couple of folks to possibly postpone the vote even further, but hearing how the outreach went, Uh, I feel good to go ahead and move forward with a vote today as well.

37:01Thank you.

37:01Councilor Smith, anything to add?

37:04Yes, Council President.

37:05I want to thank you for, uh, presenting us with this option and an opportunity to go out and talk to all Portlanders.

37:12And, uh, for me and my colleagues' willingness to provide a little extra time to show people of District 1 that they are considered at City Hall, in addition to Dunphy's staff, my staff went out and talked to folks and, um, tried to explain what was happening, and, uh, a very similar response in, in regards to not really understanding what it was.

37:35But we mentioned it, and we had Coffee with a Cop, um, at my district office last week, and we discussed, we discussed it.

37:43So for me, uh, public safety, urban forest infrastructure, and business development were issues that are top of mind for District 1.

37:52So I just want to thank, um, uh, BPS for their work and understanding that, that their proposal is not uniquely, uh, controversial or problematic.

38:04And so I will be supporting this, um, this item.

38:08So thank you so much.

38:09It, it just means a lot.

38:11Thank you, Councilor.

38:12Councilor Novick.

38:14Councilor Dunphy, do you think the words overwhelming and meh really go together?

38:18Yeah.

38:19Okay.

38:20For East Portland, absolutely.

38:23Thank you, Councilor.

38:24Councilor Kanal.

38:26Thank you, Madam President.

38:27I appreciate the information and the work that you have all done in your neighborhoods.

38:32I wanted to ask, you know, one of the pieces of testimony came in earlier, but 3 seem to have come in subsequently.

38:39I noted 2 of them in particular, the written testimony from Pleasant Valley Neighborhood Association, which does include what Councilor Avalos referred to as a request my understanding is, is looking at reading that paragraph in particular, the rest of it seemed broadly, um, here are things to look at in the future.

38:59And I, I was curious if your interpretation of that question around the school district property, uh, was also, um, effectively these are things to look at in the future as opposed to things related to this particular vote.

39:12And I have another comment after that.

39:14Councilor this is more a question to all 3 of my D1 colleagues.

39:17Go right ahead.

39:18Yeah, I would say that yes, that is for me more of a conversation about the future here.

39:23As we looked into this, near as I could tell, the soccer field that we were originally talking about near the Centennial High School isn't actually directly affected the way that we were sort of implying it was.

39:36So this feels like it's, I mean, My read on the conversation we've had with them is just that, yeah, we— more work to be done.

39:46Okay, then I'll just add on 2 related notes to look at for us later.

39:52I appreciated the testimony from the City of Gresham and from Carly Rice.

39:57I think that's a really good pattern that we should be in more communication with our neighbors.

40:02And then I'll note the one testifier from before last week did talk about a not that related to this vote, point about rental inspections that I'd like to follow up with the Housing Committee about as well, um, comparing favorably Gresham's approach to rental inspections to ours.

40:19Um, so I, I am prepared to vote for this, but I just wanted to make sure that that thread was not lost.

40:23Thanks.

40:24Thank you, Councilor.

40:27Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, uh, let's move to a vote.

40:32Keelan, go right ahead.

40:34This is for item 3, document number 2025-349.

40:39Koyama Lane?

40:40Aye.

40:41Aye.

40:43Aye.

40:44Aye.

40:45Aye.

40:47I noticed that former Metro Councilor Shirley Craddock is here.

40:50I don't know if she's here as a champion for Gresham, but appreciate you being here, and I vote aye.

40:56Aye.

40:57Aye.

40:58Aye.

40:59Aye.

41:00Kanal?

41:01Aye.

41:02Ryan?

41:02Aye.

41:03Pirtle-Guiney?

41:04Aye.

41:04The ordinance passes with 12 yes votes.

41:08And item 4, document number 2025-350.

41:14Koyama Lane?

41:17Aye.

41:18Morillo?

41:19Aye.

41:20Novick?

41:21Aye.

41:22Clark?

41:22Aye.

41:23Aye.

41:24Zimmerman?

41:25Aye.

41:27Aye.

41:28Aye.

41:29Aye.

41:30Aye.

41:30Aye.

41:31Aye.

41:31The ordinance passes with 12 yes votes.

41:37Thank you very much.

41:38And colleagues, thank you for that extra work there to make sure that your constituents were heard on these issues.

41:44And I think there were some follow-up items in that letter from the neighborhood association that I'm sure the 3 of you will be working with them on.

41:53Uh, colleagues, I believe that moves us to a series of foreclosure actions, um, and these are all first readings on non-emergency ordinances.

42:06Um, Keelan, could you open them all together so that we can get a joint presentation on them?

42:12Sure.

42:12Thank you.

42:17Council President, I will also read the titles of the ones who are— that are being referred back just so we can make sure that's on the record.

42:25Great, thank you.

42:26Okay, item 10, initiate foreclosure action on 1541 West of Interstate Southwest Market Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

42:39Item 11, initiate foreclosure action on 1140 Southeast 139th Avenue for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

42:48Item 12, initiate foreclosure action on 1541 Southwest Market Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

42:57Item 13, initiate foreclosure action on 1810 Southeast Caesar E. Chavez Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

43:06Item 14, initiate foreclosure action on 1822 Southeast Caesar E. Chavez Boulevard for the collection of delinquent —city liens placed against the property.

43:16Item 15, initiate foreclosure action on 3821 Northwest St. Helens Road for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

43:25Item 16, initiate foreclosure action on 5130 Southeast 84th Avenue for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

43:34Item 17, initiate foreclosure action on 8315 North Wayland Avenue for the collection of delinquent city liens placed thank you, Keelan.

43:45And I know you just opened those all and they are not all moving forward.

43:49We'll get to that in a minute, colleagues.

43:51But first, I'd like to turn to Christopher Hare for a committee staff summary.

43:56Good morning, Madam President, Madam Vice President, councilors.

44:00For the record, my name is Christopher Hare, Council Operations Policy Analyst, and I serve as staff to the Finance Committee.

44:05The ordinance before you, documents number 2025-332 through 2025-334, And 2025-336 through 2025-340 were considered in the Finance Committee on September 8th, where they were referred to council with a recommendation to pass.

44:21The ordinances authorize the city treasurer to initiate foreclosure proceedings for the sale of 8 properties.

44:26The ordinances also approve the associated foreclosure reports for each property and in accordance with Portland Administrative Rule ADM-14.10, provide that the property owner, any person with a legal interest in the property, or their authorized representative may redeem the property by paying the full redemption amount to the city treasurer within 90 days of the respective foreclosure sale date.

44:46The full impact statements on these items include financial and budgetary impacts and analysis and community impacts and community involvement.

44:53There was no verbal or written testimony provided prior to committee action, and this concludes the committee staff summary.

44:59Thank you.

45:00Thank you, Christopher.

45:02Councilor Zimmerman, would you like to add anything?

45:05Thanks.

45:06This is an important action, and I know that this body doesn't take it lightly.

45:11You know, the majority of the time when we find ourselves in this type of foreclosure situation, we're talking about properties that have largely been abandoned by either family members of deceased or of businesses who went under, and they're often in areas where the surrounding neighbors are asked to put up with something, I think, a little too long.

45:34And so it is important that we take action so that the remedy can start.

45:39And until this body takes that action, the remedy usually has gone for many years of nothing.

45:45And so these are generally a scourge on the neighborhood.

45:48They usually become quite the target and the beacon of bad behavior.

45:54So I appreciate the activity.

45:56Thank you.

45:56Activity of the city staff and everybody involved in making the case for all of these, and I have full faith in, in each of the presentations.

46:05These all passed, as was mentioned, unanimously for those who were present at that meeting.

46:10Thanks.

46:13Thank you, Councilor.

46:15Mr. Jordan, do you have anything that you'd like to add that we should know?

46:18This comes out of the administration.

46:20No, Council President.

46:21Business as usual on the foreclosure side.

46:24Um, colleagues, I want to note that we do have staff here if there are questions about particular properties.

46:32There was a discussion about a few of the properties which I believe have all been pulled off the list, everything that was brought up in the committee.

46:42But I also will just flag that, Councilor Avalos, I know you were absent that day, so we did not have somebody from District 1 present, and there is a single District 1 property still on the list.

46:54Um, we are referring back to the mayor's office item 11, item 13, item 14, and item 17.

47:08I assume— and I'm looking, Mr. Foster, to you— I assume that that means that there has been progress with negotiations with yes, that is correct.

47:21Okay.

47:22Councilor Ryan, do you have questions?

47:25I do.

47:26I just— a comment and also a clarification.

47:29Good to see you, and thank you, Councilor Zimmerman, for that summary.

47:34We made action about, was it 2 years ago, where after this vote, it used to be about a year where there was— where you would actually see visible action after we voted, and that made neighbors pretty upset.

47:48Yes, the redemption period is now 90 days.

47:50Could I have you introduce yourself for the record as you answer this question?

47:53Yes, my name is Kevin Foster.

47:54I am the Foreclosure Prevention Manager for the City of Portland.

47:58Thank you.

47:58Thank you, Kevin.

47:59I appreciate that clarification.

48:02Anything else, Councilor?

48:03Nope.

48:03Okay, Councilor Kanal.

48:05Thanks.

48:06Uh, 2 things, uh, but I'll start by also thanking Councilor Zimmerman for that, um, explanation of what the sort of factors are at play here.

48:15My question is, if you could just clarify, I got a couple questions about the difference on 10 and 12 because the addresses are effectively the same, ownership's the same.

48:26And, you know, just to get to the meat of that there, if you could just kind of clarify that for the public.

48:32Sure.

48:33The address is 1541 Southwest Market Street.

48:36One of the parcels have the WI in there, which just means it's west of the interstate.

48:42Okay, thanks.

48:43So it's purely coincidental that it has the same— I shouldn't say purely coincidental.

48:48It is, they're 2 different properties with the same ownership is what you're trying to say.

48:51Correct, correct.

48:52And on the same lot, just one is on the west side of the interstate.

48:57And should we expect, have there been communications related to any of the other— we talked about 4 of the 8 properties here.

49:07Um, are we expecting that the— how— I don't know if you can make this prediction, so tell me if not.

49:14Uh, should we expect that the other 4 are going to go all the way through this process at this, at this time?

49:19Yes.

49:19Okay, thank you.

49:22Council President, I just have to correct something.

49:26Go right ahead, and then we'll go to councilors.

49:28The WI actually means within.

49:30It's not west of interstate.

49:31If you look at the property, this property is just 2 lots that essentially are used together.

49:36They have the same address.

49:38It's just at some point when the plat was developed, there is a sliver of a plot here that is also 1541.

49:44I just wanted to correct that, that this property does not span across an interstate.

49:50Thank you.

49:51I was struggling with that on the map.

49:52So it's the deeper versus the adjacent, the one that actually abuts the street.

49:57Is that correct?

49:57Yeah.

49:58I mean, I live in a similar property where I've got a sliver for whatever reason at some point historically, and it's contained within my own address.

50:04This is similar.

50:06Okay, thank you.

50:08Thank you, Councilor.

50:10Councilor Smith.

50:12I, um, thank you.

50:14I, I didn't hear what your title was.

50:17Um, you said something, I didn't hear it clearly.

50:21So could you tell me your name and what department you're in again?

50:24Sure.

50:25My name is Kevin Foster.

50:26I am the Foreclosure Prevention Manager for the City of Portland.

50:30And I work in the Revenue Division.

50:32Revenue Division, that's what I didn't hear.

50:33Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

50:35Yeah, of course.

50:37Councilor, I'll take a moment to note, since you asked for Mr. Foster's title again, that— and this is something we've talked about extensively in the Finance Committee— I think it's important that your title is Foreclosure Prevention Manager.

50:51And while by the time a property gets to this stage, it often is a nuisance in the neighborhood.

50:58The goal is always to avoid foreclosure and find other ways to clean up these properties, knowing that foreclosure is the last resort when there are no other ways to clean up the properties.

51:09Thank you.

51:12Okay, colleagues, if there are no other— oh, Councilor Clark, go right ahead.

51:18Just a quick question, and I could definitely take this offline, but this is an something I'm not familiar with.

51:24And while I trust the work of the Finance Committee, I just— is there a way to just very quickly run through what the process is?

51:32I'm sure it varies by property, but maybe just a rule of thumb or ballpark on how this works.

51:38Let's do that so it's on the public record at a full council meeting as well.

51:41Thank you.

51:42Go right ahead, Mr. Foster.

51:43Okay, so complaints are made to Portland Permitting and Development, and they come— they're community member complaints that come into their office.

51:52They in return send out a housing inspector to verify the complaint.

51:57And then at that point, they can— they engage the property owner, try to get them to rectify the property or bring the property into compliance.

52:06If that doesn't happen, then a lien is placed on the property.

52:09Then at that point, that's when revenue gets involved, once the lien is placed on the property.

52:17Is there sort of a standard timeframe for that, or you know, let me let Mike answer that.

52:33Welcome.

52:33Please go ahead and introduce yourself, and then you can take that one on.

52:36Hello, Mike Liefeld.

52:38Uh, I'm with the Property Compliance Division of Portland Permitting and Development.

52:43Yes, there is a process.

52:44So, uh, after after a complaint is initiated, the investigation is completed, the notice, the legal notice goes out, it at minimum allows 30 days.

52:53That is the bare minimum.

52:55Usually we engage with property owners and seek settlements or paths towards correction.

53:01When we reach the point of foreclosure, you're talking about probably a multi-year process.

53:08So before we get to the foreclosure process, we would initially assess a code enforcement fee and start the lien process as the incentive to try to get the property owner or responsible party to work with us.

53:20After that point, we can take additional enforcement actions such as doing abatements for nuisance conditions, hiring a city contractor with all costs assessed as liens against the property.

53:32We also can initiate a code hearing to seek vacations of properties when there occupied illegally without utilities causing impacts on the neighborhood, we can seek demolition orders if we— if it's so dangerous or imminently hazardous that it needs to be rectified through a city contract to knock the building down, again with all assessed— all costs assessed to the property.

53:56So we're, we're engaging with the property owner.

53:59We have waivers.

54:00We give them time if they can come up with a compliance In these cases, they are distressed, they're abandoned, they're vacant, and all of those previous actions have failed to deliver a compliant property.

54:14Can I ask just one more question then?

54:16Right ahead, Councilor.

54:17If there's a deceased person, you try to track down members of the family who might live out of state.

54:23I imagine that prolongs the process as well, but you give the family an opportunity.

54:28To the best of our ability.

54:30Once we start the foreclosure process, there is a title report.

54:33So at that point, we are following the legal procedure to reach all interested parties.

54:43Councilor, on this list, there was one property, I believe, that was part of an estate, part of a death, and that was the property in my own district, which is why I was paying attention to it.

54:53It was agenda item number 17, which has been referred back to the mayor's office.

54:57So it sounds like they were able to okay, Councilor Smith, are you okay?

55:08Colleagues, are there any questions about particular properties before we move these all to a second reading?

55:15Okay, seeing none, thank you both for being here.

55:18Chris, thank you for the overview.

55:20Keelan, do we have any public testimony on any of these?

55:24One thing.

55:27Um, then colleagues, I will move agenda items 10, 12, 15, and 16 to second reading, um, probably at our next council meeting.

55:47Keelan, could you please call our next agenda item?

55:51Yeah, we'll go back to the consent agenda item 5, authorize negotiation and execution of an in-district office space lease for District 1 councilors for a term commencing approximately October 1st, 2025 through June 30th, 2029.

56:10Thank you.

56:11And councilors, this was referred straight to council, so there's not a committee staff summary.

56:17And I'll note that it is an emergency ordinance, so it requires 9 votes this item was pulled off of the consent agenda by Councilor Smith.

56:28Councilor Smith, would you like to speak to this?

56:31Thank you, Madam President.

56:33Is Maddie here?

56:36I believe that Maddie left after one of the previous items.

56:39Um, would you like us to try to get her back, or would you like us to call up the DCA for the service area?

56:46Is Sarah here?

56:50Okay.

56:50Patty, would you like to join us?

56:52Patty's on her way back.

56:53We're working to get her here.

56:54Great.

56:55Thank you.

56:56It looks like you nodded to Mr. Jordan when you said that.

56:58Thank you for doing that.

57:02Thank you, Sarah.

57:03Thank you for being willing to discuss this.

57:06I looked at this in a couple things.

57:08We talked about some of the safety concerns.

57:11And so you did settle that particular concern because I thought that there was a provision in there to do safety.

57:19To pay for safety for District 1 for this new lease.

57:24And I wanted to make sure that my office had the opportunity to get the same safety at their offices.

57:32But I wanted to kind of break this down.

57:35The $700,000, could you tell me how much is that build-out and how much of that is a monthly salary?

57:44And maybe that's Maddie's.

57:46Yeah, the technical questions would have to go to Maddie in terms of what the lease is versus the tenant improvements.

57:51And DCA Sarah Morrissey, for the record.

57:55Do you know what the entire square footage is?

57:59I do not know off the top of my head.

58:01So I think we have to wait for Maddie, uh, to come up because my questions are more technical in nature.

58:08Let's give Maddie just a few minutes to get here, and while we wait Councilors Dunphy and Councilor Avalos, this is a contract for office space that your offices will be using.

58:21Is there anything that you'd like to share with us all, or should we just recess for a couple of minutes to give Maddie time?

58:29I can give a little bit of context.

58:31Fantastic.

58:33So what is going on?

58:35This lease is for an office for Councilors Dunphy and I for the District 1 office.

58:41Yes.

58:41What ended up happening is that we were, the 3 councilors went to tour different spaces to decide where a District 1 office would go.

58:53As you all know, we talked at the very beginning of the year about our feelings that District 1 needs a space.

59:00We need a place for East Portlanders to gather that is not downtown.

59:05And that was definitely a shared sentiment that we heard around the dais.

59:09And there was discussion around, that came up when we were talking about council budgets, for example.

59:13Yes.

59:14Because we were poised as District 1 councilors to use a lot of our first council budget since we had that first 6 months, right, towards the office.

59:26What ended up transpiring from there, we were touring space, in particular the Nick Fish Building in the Gateway neighborhood, and there were a couple of options there.

59:39There was one office that was a small office that was used to was being used or had been used by the Office of Civic Life.

59:48And then there were 2 adjoining spaces that were not built out.

59:51They were vacant.

59:53They're gonna need all kinds of renovations.

59:55So the 3 of us were literally there discussing how we were— what we were thinking about doing on if we wanted to use all of these spaces for a District 1 office.

1:00:05At that time, Councilor Smith decided to create her own office out of the small Civic Life Office, um, and did not want to participate in, uh, doing a joint office with the 3 of us.

1:00:17And so, um, Councilor Dunphy and I, um, because we felt at that time we were locked into possibly building out the rest of the Nick Fish, um, since the part that Councilor Smith's office occupied was already built out, um, we felt that, uh, that was going to be a huge cost because again, those were just bones, uh, and it was going to require a lot of development.

1:00:39At the same time, because again, there was a shared understanding across council about East Portland needing space, we did some fundraising, if you will, amongst other councilors to seek dollars to be put towards our office.

1:00:55In particular, because again, we started in January, it's halfway through the fiscal year, not all of the offices were expecting to use all of their budget, so it felt like an opportunity to acquire a solid amount of money so that we could guarantee an office that District 1 deserves and needs, especially in a district that is very lacking in commercial space.

1:01:16So we received donations, you know, Councilors Jamie Dunphy and I obviously put money from our budgets.

1:01:24Councilor Smith had put money from her budget.

1:01:26And we received donations from Ryan, Pirtle-Guiney and Koyama Lane.

1:01:32As things transpired, and again, when we first were receiving those donations, it was under the understanding that we were going to have one district, one office.

1:01:42That obviously changed, and so we continued to move forward.

1:01:46We decided that we were actually going to— we looked at a couple other spots.

1:01:51The spot that we ended up with, it's on 305 Northeast 102nd Avenue.

1:01:56Was a space that kind of opened up later and presented us with a great opportunity, especially because they opened up the bottom floor.

1:02:04It's called Multnomah Plaza.

1:02:06And Councilor Dunphy and I went and looked at that.

1:02:08We decided that the cost for building out the Nick Fish was gonna be way too much.

1:02:13And we decided this was more cost-effective to go with this.

1:02:15And again, I'll wait for Mattie to give us all of the details on the negotiations.

1:02:19I think we caught really good deals with that.

1:02:22And so the dollars that we ended up with, the $7.05 million, It's actually a result of just Councilor, me, Councilor Dunphy, and then Council President and Vice President Councilor Smith and Councilor Ryan decided to retract their dollars.

1:02:38So we had closer to $1 million.

1:02:41We ended up with what we have now.

1:02:43But luckily that was enough for what we needed to accomplish.

1:02:47And the great news is that we are able to purchase this space and this lease for the remainder of our term.

1:02:52So this lease is going all the way until—.

1:02:542026.

1:02:54Uh, end of fiscal year 2029, um, and we're able to prepay it.

1:02:58Um, so with this amount, we're able to pay for the whole lease.

1:03:02Um, we're paying for any of the cost of the development.

1:03:04And again, we got a really great deal with the owner.

1:03:07They are actually doing a lot of the development for us.

1:03:10Uh, and so we, we negotiated a lease with them.

1:03:13Uh, and then the remainder will be about $50,000 that's going to go in a contingency pot for upcoming costs, unexpected costs that always happen when you own a building or lease a space.

1:03:24So ultimately what we are presenting to you all is the approval of this lease so that we can go forward with signing that, securing it.

1:03:33The goal is that the development will be done, I think realistically January is when we're expecting to open up the D1 office.

1:03:41So that's the context of what transpired.

1:03:44Thank you, Councilor.

1:03:45And I think we do have Maddie online now.

1:03:49Perfect.

1:03:50Yes, sorry, it is incredibly hard to know where we're supposed to be and how to get there right now.

1:03:57We fully understand, and we know that you were in the room for previous agenda items and probably very reasonably thought that you were done with your work with us this morning, but I appreciate you jumping back online to answer a couple of questions from Councilor Smith.

1:04:13Thank you.

1:04:14And just for the record, I did want to have a District 1 office.

1:04:20Uh, I just didn't want to have a hostile environment.

1:04:23In fact, Jamie Dunphy is using my office right now, him and his staff, and they've been using it for months.

1:04:30And so when I was told that I didn't have the same values as, uh, Councilor Avalos by her directly, I was concerned.

1:04:38I was concerned that I would be putting my office into a hostile environment.

1:04:43So secondly, and then when I found out what the build-out cost was, $1.2 million, I was not going to pay it.

1:04:51I, I refused to pay a build-out of $1.2 million.

1:04:55Part of the reason why I wanted this to come forward, Sarah, is because I don't understand why we have such high fees to do buildouts when we could go to the private sector and get that built out.

1:05:11It didn't— for me, just putting up some walls, the windows were there, the infrastructure, the bathroom was there.

1:05:19And to have this cost, estimated cost of $1.2 million, I thought that was egregious.

1:05:24So I did take my money back and I said, I'm not gonna do it because I don't think it was sustainable.

1:05:29And I offered my office as a satellite office for all 3 of us, recognizing that we all needed to have a space.

1:05:38And the 3rd reason why I wasn't gonna go with it, because it wasn't gonna be ready for 2 years.

1:05:42I could not wait to have interactions with my constituents in district for 2 years.

1:05:48That was just— they said 18 months to 2 years.

1:05:51That was ridiculous and that was too long.

1:05:54So for me, I wanted to find out from Maddie, how big is this new space?

1:05:59It's 2,000 square feet.

1:06:04In square footage.

1:06:05Um, uh, sorry, I'm really sorry, I'm online.

1:06:09Um, for the record, my name is Maddie Sautter and I'm the director of the Bureau of Fleet and Facilities, and we have been charged with, um, manifesting, uh, the offices, the in-district office concept.

1:06:22So, um, the space that we are actually leasing is around 2,900 square feet.

1:06:292,900 Square feet.

1:06:30And how many offices are in there?

1:06:33Um, there's ultimately going to be, um, 2 shared offices and then a conference room.

1:06:392 Shared offices?

1:06:41I thought there were going to be 3 offices.

1:06:43There are 3 offices, but since Councilor Smith is in her own office, the third office is a conference room.

1:06:49So it is made for 3.

1:06:52Yeah, it's out— it's It's constructed for 3, but in the meantime, the 3rd space is going to be used as a conference room, exactly what Councilor Avalos said.

1:07:01So in '29, um, if new councilors come in, are they responsible for taking over this lease?

1:07:09Um, that's a great question, and that's actually why we brought this ordinance to council, is because that end period of the lease is so uncertain, and it really depends on who's elected and what they want.

1:07:21So the way the ordinance is written is that the lease is prepaid through the end of that fiscal year, so through June 30th, 2029.

1:07:32And there is a renewal period, there's an option to renew that will be in the lease.

1:07:38But we really want to make sure that we understand who is elected in 2028 and have an opportunity for them to see the site, get, get their feet under them, understand what options are in front of them, understand their budget, and then make a thoughtful decision.

1:07:54So the ordinance binds Councilors Avalos and Dunphy to be the exclusive payer of all costs through June 30th, 2029.

1:08:03And then we have this sort of option period in there which we'll dialogue and discuss with whoever is elected what they want to do after that.

1:08:12Understand.

1:08:13And so what is the monthly lease Um, that is being negotiated right now.

1:08:22And so the letter of intent has been drafted there.

1:08:29I don't have the specifics on that because other folks are at a— in a meeting right now.

1:08:33But, um, it is a little bit of a debate between tenant improvements and what we negotiate on that, and then the ultimate lease rate.

1:08:40And Pauline is also here, and she's pulling that for me right now.

1:08:42She has that data.

1:08:43Okay.

1:08:43So the way that I see it, there's $400,000 that are— that is being spent on tenant improvements, and that the other $300,000 is supposed to be for lease rates.

1:08:53And if I calculated that up, that's— it seems like about $10,000 a month.

1:08:58That's why I wanted to know specifically.

1:09:00And so since we don't have the entire, um, specifics on this, I don't know that we can vote on it.

1:09:08Um, so we We need the councilors to vote on this to approve the ordinance, which then allows us to sign the lease.

1:09:16The lease is still in the letter of intent process, but we can't sign the lease until we receive the ordinance approving us to do that.

1:09:26So give me a ballpark, Maddie.

1:09:29Tell me what the ballpark monthly lease rate is expected to be here.

1:09:35Sorry, it's $6,522.75 per month.

1:09:41$6,500.

1:09:42So that's not— so actually they're not spending $300,000 on the lease payments until the end of '28.

1:09:52Um, they are spending, um, they will be paying every month until the end of 2029, and based on our forecast, we have those dollars already security.

1:10:07Right, but what I'm saying is you said that $300,000 is supposed to go towards lease rates.

1:10:11If it's $6,500, um, it seems like you have too much for the lease rate, and then you have $400,000 for tenant improvements, um, or, or buildout.

1:10:22And I'm trying to figure out why does it cost so much for a buildout?

1:10:26And that, again, that was one of the reasons why I wanted to bring it forward, because I don't understand why facilities charges so much for us to build out a space?

1:10:37Um, in this instance, we have negotiated tenant improvements, so those costs aren't all ours.

1:10:44And so the tenant improvements have the owner assuming a lot of the costs associated with construction.

1:10:50We are presuming our not-to-exceed in terms of construction is going to be about $350,000, with the remainder being able to pay the lease, which when you add in both the lease along with other anticipated forecast costs, you know, kind of closes that gap to get to around—.

1:11:07Right, the janitorial service.

1:11:09And that's what I'm asking for, for the entire amount, not just the $6,500.

1:11:13What is it?

1:11:13It seems like it's going to be close to $10,000 a month.

1:11:17Um, yeah, sorry, we're all in different spots here, so not knowing when things are coming is a little bit challenging.

1:11:24Um, so I'm trying to pull that up in the background.

1:11:30Otherwise, we would have come prepared with that information.

1:11:35Pauline, are you logged on to— Pauline, are you on Zoom?

1:11:44Okay.

1:11:47And we can provide the spread to the council if needed.

1:11:52I'm just trying to get an average.

1:11:53You don't have to be so specific.

1:11:55That's what I was trying to figure out, why it costs $700,000 to execute this lease.

1:12:01Yeah, it's upfront construction.

1:12:04So with our portion of that, not to exceed around $350,000, there's another, I think it's $285,000 or so, that's the spread for the entire 3 years plus of the rent costs plus all of the ongoing and miscellaneous property costs that were forecast.

1:12:23The internal services and And the janitorial and all the utilities.

1:12:32Yeah, yeah, I got it.

1:12:33Janitorial, property management, rent costs, et cetera.

1:12:36So that's the cumulative cost over that 3 years, right?

1:12:40On top of the $6,500 a month.

1:12:43That's, that's all I was trying to figure out.

1:12:44That's including, that's including the $6,500 a month.

1:12:47Okay, that's all I needed to find out.

1:12:50Thank you so much.

1:12:52Yeah, I'm sorry, I feel very unprepared.

1:12:55I, I thought we were going to be there around 1 PM, so—.

1:12:58That's okay.

1:13:01Thank you.

1:13:02Thank you, Maddie, for jumping back in.

1:13:04We know it was short notice there.

1:13:07Councilor Dunphy.

1:13:08Thank you.

1:13:09Um, this is an incredibly awkward conversation.

1:13:13I, I would like to start by just saying to Councilor Smith, I, I do thank you for allowing my staff to use your it has been a wonderful opportunity for my staff to start the conversations with community and connect directly to community groups.

1:13:26So thank you for that.

1:13:28I also want to thank Council President Pirtle-Guiney and Council Vice President Koyama Lane for their contributions to ensuring that East Portland starts having real representation and a real physical place that we can be proud of for years to come.

1:13:43Thank you.

1:13:46I'm not accustomed to the level of scrutiny that my office budget is being put under.

1:13:51And if that is the precedent that we're going to be looking at, that's fine.

1:13:55I am a duly elected official.

1:13:57I have my budget and I'm choosing to spend my money in a way that connects me directly to my community.

1:14:02I appreciate good fiscal responsibility.

1:14:06This is as responsible as we can be because these dollars have already been budgeted.

1:14:09These dollars have already been allocated for this, and I think that this is as good of an opportunity to get a permanent location in East Portland as we could hope for.

1:14:19We looked at the Nick Fish Building.

1:14:21I wish that could have worked out.

1:14:23Our city procurement and our facilities quotes were, you know, with a 90% uncertainty, gave us a $1.2 million answer.

1:14:32I don't know how that's ever going to be justifiable, but we need to have some conversations as a body about how we, we are spending money on internal services and facility build-out.

1:14:42Not because the work isn't quality, not because the employees don't deserve it, but simply out of fiscal responsibility.

1:14:47$1.2 million to finish a constructed building, it seems silly when we could just go buy a single-family home at that price in the West Hills.

1:14:58And I was never intending to do that.

1:14:59But additionally, we toured every possible vacant publicly owned piece of land that was available in District 1.

1:15:08The follow-up behind the Nick Fish Building, which is a beautiful building, the number 2 was a decrepit 1970s Water Bureau building underneath a water tower where the ceiling panels were literally falling down.

1:15:21Our number 3 was a brick building with bars over the windows on Outer Powell that was only partially available because there's still Water Bureau staff there as well.

1:15:31The underinvestment in this community, or in my community of East Portland, by the city in the sheer physical built environment is palpable compared to every other part of this community.

1:15:41And so we were forced to use a space that is beautiful and is exciting and is going to be available to the public.

1:15:48It's on good public transit.

1:15:50It has shaded parking lot where we can do events.

1:15:53We have opportunities to potentially allow partners to use this space.

1:15:56Space like Portland Street Response or community groups.

1:16:00I'm really looking forward to seeing this happen.

1:16:02I'm really eager to see this happen, and this is an investment that I'm absolutely willing and excited to spend money on.

1:16:11I urge my colleagues to help us get this across the finish line and move forward.

1:16:14So thank you.

1:16:18Thank you, Councilor.

1:16:20Councilor Avalos, I will come back to you, but I just want to hear from other folks, if that's all right.

1:16:28Yeah, I just wanted to express my support for this.

1:16:32You all need— all 3 of you need offices and places to meet with your constituents.

1:16:37I've followed the news on this.

1:16:38I've followed the discussions, and it looks like what you have done is secured a cost-minimizing approach, frankly, that still maintains the quality that we expect when we host our elected officials.

1:16:51Thank you.

1:16:52Thank you.

1:16:52Councilor Dan Ryan.

1:16:52Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:16:52I think it's important to remember that we're here to serve our constituents.

1:16:53You know, the numbers in the ordinance are sort of estimates of not to exceed, but I think at the end of the day, what matters is that this is coming from the budgets of my fellow colleagues who, when we approve a budget to give our offices money, we're saying, I trust you to spend your money the way that you see fit.

1:17:11And I don't think it's appropriate to try to micromanage the transactions that come out of an individual councilor's office.

1:17:17I certainly would not appreciate that myself.

1:17:20And so I'm going to vote yes on this.

1:17:23And I think that if we, you know, I think the conversation actually that has been broached is very important.

1:17:30I think we do need to ask why things cost so much to the City of Portland, particularly as we enter a period where there ain't no more money to be found under the couch cushion.

1:17:42So that's all valid.

1:17:45Councilor Smith.

1:17:46But I'm gonna support this ordinance because you are duly elected officials who deserve to have a space and frankly, the freedom to act as a duly elected official.

1:17:59Thank you, Councilor.

1:18:00Councilor Koyama Lane.

1:18:03Thank you, Council President.

1:18:05I wanna separate out a couple things right now.

1:18:09Part of what I'm seeing are, Yes.

1:18:12Some challenging interpersonal dynamics and some hurt feelings and maybe some things that shouldn't have been said or should have been followed up on or should have been repaired.

1:18:26I don't know exactly because that's not really for me to work on.

1:18:29I, I think that that's a space where we could have a retreat or have some sort of space to do some repair work, and I want to separate that from what we have before us today.

1:18:41I can speak for myself.

1:18:42I take it very seriously that 16% of residents live below the poverty line in District 1.

1:18:50This is not about these 3 councilors.

1:18:52They represent that group, but I made this choice to give this money from my office budget based on the fact that there are more families in their district than any other district.

1:19:03Councilor that D1 has lacked representation here in City Hall more than any other district.

1:19:09It's the most racially diverse.

1:19:12We all sat up here in the very beginning when we were talking about raising our office budgets, and we all were saying, like, I think everyone up here, we need to prioritize District 1 if their offices— and so I really felt the need and feel the need to put my money where my mouth is.

1:19:28And I'll say that this got messy.

1:19:29Yes.

1:19:30I wanted to give the 6-figure amount that I gave to all 3 of them.

1:19:35So yes, ideally I would love to see all 3 of them together.

1:19:37I don't get to actually decide how that is working out though.

1:19:42And Sarah, you can, DCA Morrissey, confirm.

1:19:46I would expect that any work that's done on these spaces, it's not going to stay with these people forever.

1:19:52It stays with the city and D1 councilors.

1:19:55Is that correct?

1:19:55And it's built out so other D1 councilors could use this eventually?

1:19:59So I think that's a decision for the future councilors to make.

1:20:03The tenant improvements are part of the lease costs that are included now, and so the decision would be for future councilors to make if they want to continue the space.

1:20:14So I, you know, I did go back and forth and had some different conversations because this is a big investment, and also the fact that I have an in-district office that costs a ridiculously low amount of money, has nothing to do with anything I've done or not done or deserve.

1:20:35It's because that's already there in District 3, ready to go.

1:20:39I believe that I'm listening to the folks like Maddie who looked around, there wasn't something similar.

1:20:45So for me, I'm trying to separate and not think about this as like just going to individual councilors, but really thinking about what the residents of District 1 deserve, and they deserve access thank you, Madam President.

1:21:11I will start by just noting I'm not going to make anyone guess.

1:21:14I'm likely to vote yes on this at minimum because I want to be deferential to the work of my 3 colleagues in D1 and because I'm likely to take the same approach to other districts.

1:21:24I do have a couple comments, questions.

1:21:26I'll note just up front, it'd be preferable if all 3 people were in the same— in a single office.

1:21:32I think everybody agrees to that.

1:21:33That's not always possible, and nobody should feel like they can't move because 2— 1 or 2 other independently elected officials have a different viewpoint.

1:21:40I'm not going to insert myself into your conversations or anything like that.

1:21:43I just think it's important to kind of frame that.

1:21:46Thank you.

1:21:46The question is, A question came up around the date, about the new— the date being after potential new councilors take office.

1:21:53I think this is actually a good thing to ensure that if there are new councilors, they have a district office while they can decide if they want to retain it or have a new location.

1:22:02I actually think not super far out, but 5 months out is a good precedent to set.

1:22:08And I also understand the cost of the rent, but I want to share the concern about the cost of the build-out.

1:22:13Yes.

1:22:13As at least Councilor Smith and Dunphy have noted, because I think that we're dealing with an internal rights issue too.

1:22:21And this is a problem that I think has come up.

1:22:24I definitely support the work of Director Sautter and her group, but I also wanna note that we've been told that it can cost $25,000 to move desks 30 feet within a pod.

1:22:37That is a problem.

1:22:39And that's, when I say a pod, I mean a quarter of this floor of the building.

1:22:42Yeah.

1:22:42Where the district, uh, the 3 district councilors are together, uh, to, you know, where one of our dist— one person per district is across from their chief of staff, wanted to swap that office with their chief of staff, and the cost of moving the desks back and forth would be— was quoted at $25,000.

1:23:00Um, I cannot— I, I would love to see a breakdown of that.

1:23:03I won't judge until I see it, but my initial skepticism has only grown since I first heard that.

1:23:09And I am excited to support the work of the administration in talking about reducing internal rates across the city.

1:23:16And then I have a couple semi-related notes.

1:23:18I, I, first off, I support Councilor Smith's desire to have security at her office equivalent to that of any other office.

1:23:24Secondly, I'm excited to hear Councilor Dunphy, you mentioned that PSR could use this space.

1:23:29I'd be really happy personally, and my concern around chipping in was entirely based on whether or not PSR Chat, street medicine generally, could have a second place to deploy out of and use.

1:23:38So I look forward to hearing more about that and being supportive.

1:23:43I think that office budgets should eventually— physical office budgets should eventually be a council operations expense, not an individual councilor expense, so that D1 doesn't have less money for operations because they're renting an office that is maybe bigger than what D2 or D3 or even D4 might need.

1:24:00This will also avoid the need to do fundraising by just saying the city based on the infrastructure, as the Vice President mentioned, based off of the historic service levels and engagement levels of D1, the city has a greater responsibility for physical spaces in D1, um, as than we do in D4, with D2 and 3 somewhere in the middle, because City Hall is in D4.

1:24:22So I think that those are all factors that I'm looking at as I, I think about it, um, and I think it's really important that we recognize that as an obligation not of the 3 people who happen to be elected at any given time, but an obligation of the city to District 1.

1:24:39And I look forward to having that conversation over time with my colleagues.

1:24:44Thanks.

1:24:48Thank you, Councilor.

1:24:50Councilor Avalos, you dropped out of the queue.

1:24:52Did you have anything to add or are you all right?

1:24:53Okay.

1:24:55I just want to thank all the councilors who, um, put in their office budgets to support, uh, District 1 in having representation, because that is important, uh, that is so critical.

1:25:10And just us being there for the last few months, uh, so many people dropping by saying that we really feel like we're represented.

1:25:17So I want to thank you all for, for giving your money, and, um, because you didn't have to.

1:25:22I remember when we had the original conversation and we were trying to discuss how to increase our budgets to meet our, um, to meet our goals for the committees and all of that.

1:25:33And I said explicitly, um, and I remember, uh, Eric and, and others saying, you all, we'll, we'll give you our money.

1:25:43And I, and I refused to take it.

1:25:44As I said then, I'm a grandmother.

1:25:46I don't take money.

1:25:47Everybody has to have the same budget.

1:25:49And I appreciated that.

1:25:50I appreciated it then.

1:25:51I appreciate what you all are doing for, um, Thank you.

1:25:54Councilor Avalos and Dunphy, and I will be supporting this, um, this amendment or ordinance, uh, going forward.

1:26:03Uh, my, my biggest concern is the amount of money that we spend on, um, buildouts and internal services that I think that, that we need some sort of, um, internal service reform because it's, it's just, it's just mind-boggling what we are charged versus others.

1:26:22And it's mind-boggling how much Prosper Portland will give a, um, a new private sector business on a buildout, and they don't give us anything on a buildout.

1:26:33We have to actually spend our hard dollars.

1:26:35And so being a quasi-city organization, I would think that we would get the best deals and we would get some of those buildouts as well.

1:26:46So that's a whole nother issue, but I will be supporting this ordinance, and thank you all for, uh, supporting my, uh, fellow District 1.

1:26:54Thank you, Councilor.

1:26:57Councilor Clark.

1:26:59Thank you, Madam President.

1:27:00Um, I just want to comment that I appreciate Councilor Smith's reliable vigilance on budgets.

1:27:09Um, I can always rely on you to dig deep and to look at costs and to think forward, and I think it's increasingly important because we're coming into a very difficult budget, uh, year, if not couple of years.

1:27:25So I'm hoping that the cost estimates that we've been given today remain true and that, uh, future councilors can reap the benefit of this investment, that it doesn't just go away, these precious dollars that we're spending here.

1:27:41So I will be voting yes for this.

1:27:44I want our colleagues to I think it's important, but I want to really appreciate Councilor Smith's deep dive into the financial situation.

1:27:54Thank you.

1:27:56Thank you, Councilor.

1:27:58Councilor Knoll, did you have something additional?

1:28:00I forgot one item, which is I just— from the— and this is not about this dais, but I think the, the media narrative on this— we have a lot of scrutiny on the hundreds and thousands of dollars, uh, not the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions, And I am concerned about the way that that is being shaped right here by some of the folks who are outside of this building because we often are seeing, you know, $20 million be spent on something, $10 million be spent on something, and that's somewhat accepted.

1:28:30And I would love to see, and this is an ask to those who cover meetings like this, to focus on that because there are significantly bigger issues going on out there.

1:28:39Thank you.

1:28:40We have millions of dollars in contracts, and $5,000, $6,000 on this or that is important, and I don't want to waste a penny of it.

1:28:48I think the city's— the population of Portland deserves to have every penny of tax dollars spent well, and fiscal responsibility is one of our 6 core values.

1:28:57And also, there are much bigger fish to fry out there in terms of city dollars and how we spend them.

1:29:04And I'd love for us to focus on those bigger dollar amounts.

1:29:06Thank you.

1:29:07Of the future too, with that— with more, at minimum, as much scrutiny as we're doing here.

1:29:13Thank you, Councilor.

1:29:14I got a note from Maddie Sautter that there was some follow-up that she has to some of the questions that were previously asked.

1:29:23Um, Sautter, would you like to provide any additional details for us?

1:29:28Uh, yeah, sure.

1:29:29Um, first off, I want to say I appreciate everybody being behind this ordinance.

1:29:35We did do a lot of research on district offices, and Councilor Dunphy was exactly right that there are very few city-owned assets in District 1.

1:29:44It was actually pretty shocking to see how few public assets there are in general.

1:29:48And so as an office, we fully support this ordinance and are grateful that the District 1 councilors were willing to work and look at different options to try to find the most cost-effective solution.

1:30:00Thank you.

1:30:01The other thing I did want to note is I think that we would all welcome a discussion of internal service fund costs as well as construction costs.

1:30:08Construction is very expensive, and so a lot of the quotes that were given were based on market averages, not having a clear scope.

1:30:15And different levels of construction, whether it's a cold shell or a fully built-out property, will cost different things.

1:30:22As a general rule, it is true, absolutely, that construction within the city is much more expensive than it is in the private sector.

1:30:32There's a whole bunch of reasons for that, and a lot of it has to do with requirements that we layer on in terms of additional attributes for construction that we require.

1:30:42And so that's probably a deep dive, along with many other deep dives, to understand why city construction is more expensive than private market construction.

1:30:49And then the other thing I would say, hopefully I'm not speaking too much on Sarah's behalf is that I would welcome a discussion about internal service fund rates holistically.

1:31:00There is a lot that goes into those rates, along with the fact that we debt finance all of the capital facility construction that the city does, so that we don't use GO bonds for that.

1:31:12We debt finance that.

1:31:13And so if you look at the stack of what goes into rent, or you look at escalations in internal service fund fees, Part of the reason that those costs are going up is because we're layering massive amounts of debt into your rent, into those rates, and that's for facilities that are falling down and need repair.

1:31:28So if you see— if you're seeing escalations in those total costs, it's because we are debt financing facilities that are end of life and need repair.

1:31:37So welcome a robust discussion on that, especially as we start heading to the Kirby Garage this week and upcoming weeks to talk about that bond ordinance and why we're doing that work.

1:31:47Councilor Loretta Smith.

1:31:48But I think that there's a lot of hydraulics behind those internal service fund rates that have good explanations.

1:31:54And but it's a welcome discussion about costs generally, and of course how those rates work and why they work the way they do.

1:32:02And if I just may add one item on in addition to what Maddie noted is, uh, CBO.

1:32:09We've talked about them about the internal service rates.

1:32:12So I— we presented an internal service rate fund project that we are— we have now completed and we are executing this fall in terms of simplification of rates.

1:32:22We did that presentation to the Finance Committee.

1:32:24The report is now complete.

1:32:26We are happy to share that.

1:32:27And then the second piece is CBO is going to be doing deeper dives with council, especially around internal service rates, as we have more time with council through this budget season.

1:32:38So CBO is planning to do that as we structure the rates so we can get that in front of you in the fall/winter this year.

1:32:49Thank you, DCA Marcy.

1:32:52Councilor Clark, are you back in the queue?

1:32:54Okay.

1:32:54Councilor Dunphy.

1:32:55Thank you.

1:32:56I'd just like to be really explicit to, uh, this is not a criticism of Sarah or your team, of Maddie, your team, anybody in the facilities team.

1:33:05This is a— the exorbitant costs that we are being quoted for things is a result of compounding policies that previous city councils have chosen.

1:33:17When the city puts in place really good-intentioned policies that are about quality and fire protection and warranty and all of these things, suddenly you end up with one company that can respond and you have a $2,000 couch.

1:33:33Or that you have— Yeah, to rearrange the— to not even get much more furniture, but to rearrange the pods in my office, quoting $25,000 in order to turn our front reception desk sideways.

1:33:52Even the city's travel policies, where we were able to find plane tickets for $800, but the city travel agency had to I've gotten a fair amount of criticism in the press over following the rules around city procurement, and I really would encourage— I'm welcoming the conversation, and I'm hoping I can insert myself into the conversation and invite any of my colleagues to have that chat about how we can improve the rules around city procurement.

1:34:26Thank you.

1:34:26Why things are so expensive and how we get to something that is closer to reality.

1:34:31It is not Maddie's fault.

1:34:33It is not Sarah's fault.

1:34:34It is not none of their team's fault.

1:34:36It is our fault and it is our responsibility to fix it.

1:34:39They are doing fantastic work with the tools that previous city councils have given them.

1:34:43So please, to all the staff, know that that is not where this is coming from.

1:34:48So thank you.

1:34:49Thank you, Councilor.

1:34:51Councilor Clark.

1:34:52Councilor Dunphy, I appreciate those comments, but I think, um, the private sector could be saying exactly the same thing, or the development community, about the layers of requirements that we have put on them and for development.

1:35:06Councilor Zimmerman.

1:35:10I really have no interest in weighing in on another councilor's budget, but there's a couple pieces here that just go unanswered for me.

1:35:17I'm not sure yet, can the councilors in District 1 who are the subject of this lease cover these costs without the supplementary budgets from other councilors?

1:35:29I'm trying to figure that out.

1:35:31And when the lease numbers were spoken, they weren't really said anything had been locked down, and that was unclear to me.

1:35:36I'm hoping you can answer that.

1:35:38Yeah, Maddie can probably give you more specifics, but because we were— we put the money aside, essentially we gave it to facilities so that they could hold it over into the new fiscal year.

1:35:48So all of those dollars that equals the— oops— equals the $705,000, that is— hold on, I have the numbers here— $235,000 from my office, $255,000 from Dunphy's office, $150,000 from Councilor Koyama Lane, and $75,000 from Council President Pirtle-Guiney.

1:36:12So we put all of those amounts into a pot that we were able to roll over And then as we've been describing, right, we're going to be able to prepay the lease.

1:36:21We have money for development.

1:36:23We got a good deal.

1:36:24So a lot of the tenant improvements are actually going to be done by the, um, land owner.

1:36:30Owner?

1:36:30I don't know.

1:36:32Um, the what?

1:36:32The landlord.

1:36:33Yeah, the landlord.

1:36:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:36:34Thank you.

1:36:35Um, and so yeah, this— and then what ends up happening, or what's the remaining, is that $55,000 that I mentioned after all of the costs.

1:36:44And that $55 million is for us to use to continue to, you know, do improvements or whatever over the next 4 years.

1:36:49So that's— so as far as your question of can it be done without the other councilors, the answer is no.

1:36:53I'm going to interrupt you.

1:36:54There's somebody talking in chambers and it is coming right into me.

1:36:57I cannot focus on what the councilor is saying.

1:37:01I'm sorry, councilor.

1:37:02That's okay.

1:37:03I'm trying to listen.

1:37:04Yeah, that's okay.

1:37:06Um, I think I'm done.

1:37:09Yeah.

1:37:09Okay.

1:37:09Did that answer it?

1:37:10Or— and then Maddie, maybe did I miss something?

1:37:12Yeah, um, no, you're, you're nailing it.

1:37:15Um, so the run rate on the lease, um, is not very much.

1:37:19I don't know what the councilors' overall budgets are and how they've allocated their budget, but I would say that the run rate seems well within, um, what I've heard the councilor budgets are.

1:37:28So it's around, you know, there's a little bit of an escalation clause, but by the time we have our next election, depending on what the renegotiation is, it seems like the run rate will be around $90,000 a year.

1:37:40So that's divided by, you know, however many councilors elect to ultimately be there.

1:37:45So I would say that that seems like it would be well within the budget.

1:37:48In terms of the one-time costs, uh, I again don't fully know what the budgets were for everybody and how much money they had, but those are being paid— or those are being paid for by the money that Councilor Avalos summarized that was then moved into the facilities fund.

1:38:03Thank you.

1:38:04Which is not a general fund, so we don't have to give back that money.

1:38:07We do carryover because we have so many debts and other long-term obligations.

1:38:11And so that money is in our fund, and, um, it will fully cover the one-time costs.

1:38:18Thank you.

1:38:29Councilors, I I just want to add that I'm glad that we are at a point where we will be able to say that all 3 councilors in District 1 have space in district to meet with your constituents.

1:38:42Okay.

1:38:43I was happy to find a little bit of funding in my budget last year to support that happening.

1:38:50I was glad to be able to join with the Vice President to do that so that as a leadership team we could say this matters.

1:38:57And I think it is really important for those folks who have the longest drive.

1:39:02There are some folks with almost as long a drive from other districts, but truly for the Portlanders who live especially toward the eastern side of your district, the longest drive, to have that access to all 3 of you in whatever ways you see fit in your district.

1:39:17So I'm glad that we are getting there.

1:39:20Thank you.

1:39:21Colleagues, this is an emergency ordinance.

1:39:23It needs 9 votes to pass.

1:39:25We are voting on it today.

1:39:27Keelan, did we have anyone signed up who signed up for public testimony after this was pulled off consent?

1:39:32No one signed up.

1:39:33Okay, uh, then why don't we move to a vote?

1:39:39Aye.

1:39:42Aye.

1:39:43Aye.

1:39:43Aye.

1:39:44Aye.

1:39:51Aye.

1:39:52Aye.

1:39:53Thank you, colleagues.

1:39:54Aye.

1:39:54Aye.

1:39:55Well, I don't think this is an emergency, but aye.

1:40:03Aye.

1:40:04The ordinance passes with 12 yes votes.

1:40:08Thank you, Keelan.

1:40:09And I believe, colleagues, that that brings us to the end of our agenda unless Keelan, you have anything else written down that I don't?

1:40:15We're all done.

1:40:16Okay, then I will adjourn today's meeting.

1:40:20Uh, thank you all and have a good afternoon.