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Portland City Council Regular Meeting

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Unidentified speaker 6:38 - 6:39

6:38Don't bring us out here.

Loretta Smith 6:39 - 6:40

6:39Go back.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 6:40 - 7:22

6:40Good evening.

6:41I am going to call tonight's City Council meeting to order.

6:45It is March 19th at 6:02 PM.

6:49Um, we have what I think is a pretty full agenda, but hopefully we can get through it pretty quickly.

6:57Um, Council, the first item on our agenda is to approve the agenda and take any requests to reorder the agenda.

7:07We did have an item pulled off the consent agenda.

7:11Items pulled off I'm sorry, do we need to take roll first?

7:19Thank you, Council President Avalos.

7:20Keelan, could you please take roll?

Keelan McClymont 7:22 - 7:24

7:22Yeah, thank you.

7:24Um, Avalos?

Candace Avalos 7:25 - 7:25

7:25Present.

Keelan McClymont 7:25 - 7:26

7:25Dunphy?

Jamie Dunphy 7:26 - 7:26

7:26Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:26 - 7:27

7:26Smith?

Angelita Morillo 7:27 - 7:27

7:27Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:28 - 7:28

7:28Clark?

Sameer Kanal 7:28 - 7:28

7:28Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:29 - 7:29

7:29Green?

Loretta Smith 7:30 - 7:30

7:30Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:37 - 7:38

7:37Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 7:38 - 7:38

7:38Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:38 - 7:39

7:38Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 7:40 - 7:40

7:40Here.

Keelan McClymont 7:41 - 7:41

7:41And then—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 7:41 - 7:45

7:41And could our city attorney please read the rules of decorum?

Steve Novick 7:46 - 7:46

7:46Thank you, Council President.

Sameer Kanal 7:48 - 8:33

7:48Welcome to the Portland City Council.

7:49To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

7:59Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

8:02Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the president of office presiding officer states otherwise.

8:07Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

8:10The presiding officer preserves order.

8:12Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

8:21If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

8:23Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

8:26Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

8:30Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

Eric Zimmerman 8:33 - 8:33

8:33Council adjourned.

Sameer Kanal 8:34 - 8:47

8:34Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

8:37When testifying, state your name for the record.

8:39Your address is not necessary.

8:41If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

8:44Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 8:48 - 9:28

8:48Thank you.

8:50Thank you.

8:51Apologies.

8:52So, councilors, we did have one request for a reordering of the agenda.

8:58We have an item that was on the consent agenda consent agenda item number 5, which has been pulled off the consent agenda, and the staff from our Permitting and Development Department have asked if that could be reordered to the top of the regular agenda.

9:17Items pulled off consent are normally placed at the bottom of the regular agenda.

9:25If anybody is interested in making that change, I—.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 9:28 - 9:29

9:28Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 9:29 - 9:32

9:29Would accept that motion now, and then we—.

9:31So moved.

9:32Okay.

Olivia Clark 9:33 - 9:33

9:33Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 9:34 - 10:09

9:34Okay, we have a—.

9:37Do we—.

9:37Can we do unanimous consent on this?

9:39Okay.

9:40Is there any objection to moving item number 5 to the first item on the regular agenda?

9:47Okay, without objection, we will change the order of the agenda.

9:51Are there any other requests to reorder the agenda or move items to a later meeting before we accept the agenda?

10:02Okay, without objection, we will move to public communication.

10:08Keelan, could you call up our first guests, please?

Keelan McClymont 10:12 - 10:43

10:12First up, we have Injured and Pissed Off.

10:20Next, we have Amy Stocky.

10:30Okay, uh, next Robert Butler.

10:41Next Casey DeSantis.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 10:48 - 10:50

10:48Welcome, thank you for being here this evening.

Keelan McClymont 10:53 - 10:54

10:53Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 10:58 - 14:08

10:58Hello, my name is Casey and I am an organizer in Portland for Palestine.

11:02I am here to bring to your attention the harassment and violations of First Amendment rights that were exhibited by Portland Police during an immigrants' rights march and rally on February 23rd.

11:13During the march, security personnel were stationed on the perimeter and cars in the front and back of the the crowd.

11:19This is done to protect attendees from oncoming traffic.

11:23Portland Police lined the sidewalks on bikes but failed to block traffic at intersections.

11:27Our own personnel took up this task, ensuring participant safety.

11:31Multiple times, police officers targeted and harassed an attendee in a wheelchair by blocking their path on the sidewalk with their bikes.

11:392 Of our female security members were verbally harassed when standing in crosswalks by officers.

11:45One of them was hit by a police motorcycle visor prior to being verbally harassed in the side— in the crosswalk.

11:52This organizer put her body on the line to keep demonstrators safe, and for that, she was hit with a police vehicle that failed to stop, not only for her, but for the crowd of marchers behind her.

12:04Afterwards, both cars that had protected the march were pulled over out of sight of the concluding demonstration.

12:11Drivers were given fines for violations that they had allegedly occurred 1 hour prior.

12:17These fines exceed, exceed costs of $2,000.

12:21Given the clear presence of police throughout the event, it is disturbing that citations were given after the march once drivers were isolated.

12:30Council, today I stand before you in unprecedented times.

12:34Every day we are seeing new threats to our democracy and our rights.

12:38Immigrants in this country, regardless of legal status, are being made to fear that their families will be torn apart.

12:45Historically, we know that in order to beat attacks on our civil rights, it is necessary to fight and not back down.

12:53It is necessary to march in the street and rally our communities together.

12:57Isolation and fear is what the current administration wants us to feel so that we submit to their attacks and so that we give away our freedoms willingly.

13:07The American Civil Liberties Union reminds us that we do not need a permit to march in the streets in response to breaking news.

13:15We did not impede traffic on February 23rd.

13:18We kept the march moving, and more importantly, we kept people safe.

13:23This is more than can be said for Portland police that day.

13:28Mayor Wilson, I know that you care about protecting immigrants in this city.

13:35You said so yourself, and you wish to maintain Portland's status as a sanctuary city.

13:41We know that you and your office are aware of the situation.

13:45There have been hundreds of calls from Portland residents to you and Chief Bob Day's office regarding this matter.

13:51We demand that the fines be dropped and the citations suspended.

13:55We demand that Portland Police stop harassing protesters and organizers across this And we want an end to the harassment and drop the fines.

14:04I repeat, end the harassment and drop the fines.

14:07Thank you very much for your time.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 14:09 - 14:21

14:09End the harassment, drop the fines!

14:13End the harassment, drop the fines!

14:14Drop the fines!

14:15We need to keep cheering down, please.

14:18Thank you.

14:19Thank you for being here with us.

14:21Keelan?

Keelan McClymont 14:22 - 14:24

14:22Next up, we have David Gray joining us online.

Eric Zimmerman 14:25 - 14:27

14:25Hello, can you hear me?

Keelan McClymont 14:28 - 14:29

14:28We can hear you.

Jamie Dunphy 14:30 - 15:42

14:30My name is David Gray.

14:32I'm here today representing the Stadium neighborhood.

14:35The Stadium neighborhood is a high-density, working-class community.

14:38Most of us live in apartments, condos, and subsidized housing.

14:42We don't have yards.

14:43This means the streets and parks are our yards.

14:46They are, they are our social spaces.

14:49There's nothing more important for Portland right now than making our city clean and safe.

14:53Businesses are leaving, homeowners are leaving, properties are going vacant, and we see for lease signs everywhere.

15:00Our tax base is eroding.

15:01We are in a doom loop where there will be— where there will be less money to fix our problems as the problems are increasing.

15:08In 2017, we were ranked 3rd in the nation for real estate attractiveness.

15:12By 2021, we were below average, and now we are at the bottom, 80 out of 81.

15:18We are at a tipping point.

15:19If we allow the core to continue to erode, it will suck the entire city down with it, and it will take 20 years to recover.

15:26We are a compassionate city, but we cannot let compassion get in the way of common sense.

15:32We need to get back to basics.

15:34We need to refund our police, prosecute our drug laws, and enforce the camping ban.

15:39This is simply a baseline to stop the tide of further erosion.

Loretta Smith 15:42 - 15:42

15:42Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 15:43 - 16:35

15:43The Portland Police Bureau is one of the most understaffed forces in the nation.

15:47We rank 48th among the 50 largest cities in the U.S. in police officers, officers per capita.

15:53That's half of the average U.S. city.

15:56Half.

15:57Uh, let me say that again another way.

15:59The average U.S. city has twice as many officers per capita as we have.

16:05At any given time, there are 36 to 60 officers patrolling Portland.

16:08In a city of 615,000 or 50,000, depending on how you count, we should have double that number.

16:16We cannot let the budget crisis be an excuse for further erosion of public safety.

16:20We need to decide on our priorities and put funding where it is needed— police, fire, emergency services, and basic city services that will make our city livable again.

16:30We are a caring city.

16:31We're a compassionate city.

16:33But compassion without accountability is not working.

Unidentified speaker 16:35 - 16:35

16:35Thank you.

Jamie Dunphy 16:36 - 17:12

16:36There needs to be consequences for those who repeatedly flaunt the law and erode public safety.

16:41Every day we delay, the situation gets worse.

16:44Failing to act now means more crime, more victims, and a city in permanent decline.

16:49Fund our city, fund our police, protect our city.

16:53Act now, please.

16:54Thank you.

16:55By the way, if you're wondering like I was who's 81st in that real estate ranking below us, it's Hartford, Connecticut.

17:04So if you want to see where we are headed, uh, have a look at Hartford, Connecticut.

17:10Uh, if we don't do anything, we're headed in the same direction.

Eric Zimmerman 17:12 - 17:13

17:12Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 17:14 - 17:33

17:14Thank you for being here.

17:15I'm going to remind folks again, I heard both positive and negative reaction there.

17:21If we want to be able to hear from everybody and get through the full agenda, we need to make sure that, uh, folks are keeping their responses silent.

17:29Hand motions are fine.

17:30Thank you.

17:31Keelan, I believe we had other folks join us.

Keelan McClymont 17:35 - 17:37

17:35Um, I don't believe so.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 17:40 - 17:44

17:40I think Robert Butler may have joined during that last—.

Keelan McClymont 17:44 - 17:50

17:44Uh, Robert— oh, there.

17:46Oh, great.

17:46Okay, thank you.

17:49Yep, you're up.

Unidentified speaker 18:03 - 18:54

18:03Good evening, overworked and underpaid members of our community.

18:10This is Robert Butler.

18:12I'm a Portland native.

18:14So Ted Wheeler was a master at getting people to follow him Or compelled to cooperate with him.

18:28And I remember when he was at Multnomah County and had all the— his commissioners there were just terrible.

18:34But he was— that's where he got his ability, I think.

18:38So what he's done now is made sure that his legend and his regime continues.

18:45And that one of those regimes was to make sure that the Bull Run Sand Filtration Project would never be questioned, would never be analyzed.

Eric Zimmerman 18:54 - 18:54

18:54Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 18:56 - 19:58

18:56Or rethought, even though the commissioners at the time said we need to follow this, see when we're in trouble and should turn back.

19:07So I understand that, I don't understand, I know hardly the mayor was talked into it, sort of talked into it, but I don't understand why each one of you who I've contacted, you and you and you and you by letters, I've hand-delivered them.

19:24Thank you.

19:27And not a one, not one of you, none of you have appreciated the fact that this is the biggest scam probably in the history of the city.

19:38And we're losing the difference between $3 billion project with interest and $1 billion, not even $1 billion project with interest for $2 billion savings.

19:53And not one of you has shown any interest at all at saving $2 billion.

Eric Zimmerman 19:58 - 19:58

19:58$2 Billion.

Unidentified speaker 19:59 - 21:21

19:59So the way that works is that back in 2017, this City Council said untruthfully that we could do ultraviolet for $105 million, that we could do sand filtration for $350 million, at the major highest amount, $500 million.

20:22That was a lie.

20:23The minimum was the $500 million, not the maximum.

20:26That was a million.

20:28So now it's a difference between $2 billion and $850,000.

20:35And we are spending $2 million a day out there now while you're silent.

20:42$2 Million a day is being sunk.

20:46So we're about 1/6 of the way through this project, which means we're half a billion dollars in the hole.

20:53Right now.

20:54If we walk away from there, we can build the new one, ultraviolet system for $500 million.

20:59That's half a billion.

21:01We're $350 million in the hole.

21:04So for $850 million, we can build that thing if you stop today, which you don't even wanna listen, do you?

21:10So that would be a savings of $850 million versus $1 billion.

21:15We can still save $1.1 billion beside, Despite your negligence.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 21:24 - 21:44

21:24Thank you.

21:26Thank you for bringing that message to us.

21:28We appreciate it.

21:30I know that there are folks here who have received your communication.

21:33Thank you.

21:40Keelan, do we have anybody else here for public communication?

Keelan McClymont 21:44 - 21:53

21:44I don't believe so.

21:45Um, Amy Stockey?

21:48Injured and pissed off.

21:50I think that completes testimony, or public communications.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 21:54 - 22:05

21:54Thank you.

21:56Councilors, our next agenda item is a time-certain agenda item.

22:02Clerk, could you, Keelan, could you call that agenda item for us?

Keelan McClymont 22:07 - 22:27

22:07Amend the comprehensive plan map and zoning map for properties at 3508 Northeast 11th Avenue and 1123 Northeast Fremont Street at the request of Derek Metzen, GreenBox Architecture, LU 24-073674-CPZC.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 22:29 - 22:46

22:29Thank you, Council.

22:31We've first heard this agenda item, I believe, in February, uh, at a land use hearing and have first read it.

22:41Today is the actual vote, is that correct?

22:45Or is today our first reading?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 22:47 - 22:47

22:47First reading.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 22:47 - 23:09

22:47Today is our first reading.

22:49So today is where we see the amendments that were made to the item.

22:55We had directed our attorneys to bring us the recommendations with no amendments, so it should look just like we're expecting, but we don't take a vote on it today.

23:09Is that correct?

Keelan McClymont 23:10 - 23:28

23:10That's correct.

23:12I'm wondering if our land use attorney is here.

23:16I believe that you may have been provided some information about voting to incorporate the council or the findings and conclusions.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 23:29 - 23:32

23:29Okay, so we do need to move the findings in today as an amendment.

Keelan McClymont 23:33 - 23:38

23:33Exactly, and there is a minor amendment to the ordinance directive A as well.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 23:38 - 23:44

23:38Okay, and do we have anybody, any of our land use attorneys here to talk about that minor amendment?

23:42Okay.

Unidentified speaker 23:45 - 23:50

23:45If you'd like, I can say a few words.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 23:50 - 23:53

23:50That would be great.

23:51Why don't you do that?

23:52Go ahead and introduce yourself.

23:53Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 23:54 - 23:56

23:54Thanks.

23:54My name is Amanda Rose.

23:55I'm a city employee.

Angelita Morillo 23:57 - 24:27

23:57I was here for the land use hearing last month.

24:01The only amendment to the ordinance is amending the first recital, the first sentence of the second section of the ordinance that basically states that you're incorporating the findings, the facts and findings of the council rather than the recommendation of the hearings officer because now we do have final findings for council.

24:26Perfect.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 24:27 - 24:38

24:27Thank you very much.

24:28Is there a motion to approve the ordinance?

24:31Amend these findings into the ordinance.

24:36So moved.

24:38Second?

Loretta Smith 24:38 - 24:38

24:38Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 24:39 - 24:45

24:39Okay, Keelan, could you call the roll, please?

24:44Avalos.

Candace Avalos 24:49 - 24:50

24:49I'm voting on an amendment?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 24:50 - 25:23

24:50So, Councilor, this is the land use item that we heard about a property on 11th and Fremont.

24:57And there were some requests to change the use allowances in the zoning map so that this could be commercial and residential mixed use.

25:07We are voting right now.

25:09This is, I believe, the first item like this that we've had.

25:12We heard a recommendation today.

25:15We adopt that recommendation into the ordinance and first read that ordinance.

Candace Avalos 25:23 - 25:23

25:23Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 25:24 - 25:41

25:24And then at our next meeting, we will actually adopt that ordinance.

25:27So you are voting on an amendment to move the recommendation that we preliminarily showed support for at the land use hearing into the ordinance so that we can formally consider it today and at our next meeting.

Candace Avalos 25:43 - 25:44

25:43Voting first is hard.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 25:46 - 25:49

25:46You only have the rest of this month and then we rotate.

Candace Avalos 25:50 - 25:50

25:50Uh, I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 25:51 - 25:52

25:51Done.

Candace Avalos 25:53 - 25:53

25:53Aye.

Keelan McClymont 25:54 - 25:57

25:54Sorry, my mic is kind of being weird.

25:56Uh, Smith.

Loretta Smith 25:58 - 25:58

25:58Aye.

Keelan McClymont 25:59 - 26:00

25:59Uh, Canal.

Sameer Kanal 26:01 - 26:01

26:01Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:03 - 26:03

26:03Ryan.

Olivia Clark 26:03 - 26:03

26:03Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:04 - 26:04

26:04Queen Lane.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 26:05 - 26:05

26:05Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:06 - 26:06

26:06Mario.

Angelita Morillo 26:07 - 26:07

26:07Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:07 - 26:08

26:07Novick.

Steve Novick 26:08 - 26:08

26:08Aye.

Olivia Clark 26:09 - 26:09

26:09Clark.

Jamie Dunphy 26:09 - 26:09

26:09Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:10 - 26:10

26:10Green.

Mitch Green 26:11 - 26:11

26:11Aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:11 - 26:11

26:11Zimmerman.

Keith Wilson 26:13 - 26:23

26:13So because I was absent during this I wanna state for the record, I have reviewed and have not had any ex parte, but I did review the record and I'll vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 26:27 - 26:29

26:27Aye.

26:27With 12 aye votes, the amendment is approved.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 26:31 - 26:37

26:31Great.

26:31So councilors, this will come back.

26:34Do we need to set a time certain for this to come back?

Keelan McClymont 26:37 - 26:45

26:37We do have a time certain held on April 2nd.

26:42At 9:45 AM.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 26:45 - 27:21

26:45Perfect.

26:46So this agenda item will come back at 9:45 on April 2nd for a second reading, at which point we will have the opportunity to pass the ordinance and move forward with this change to the comprehensive plan map and zoning maps.

27:03We are moving on to the consent agenda.

27:06There are 2 items left on the consent agenda.

27:14Are there any additional motions to remove anything from the consent agenda?

27:18Can we take that from the dais or do we need to just move forward at this point?

Keelan McClymont 27:21 - 27:23

27:21Yeah, I think you can move forward and take the vote.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 27:23 - 27:30

27:23Okay, perfect.

27:27Is there any opposition to our consent agenda?

Unidentified speaker 27:32 - 27:32

27:32Okay.

Candace Avalos 27:33 - 27:33

27:33Aye.

Steve Novick 27:37 - 27:37

27:37Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 27:38 - 27:38

27:38Aye.

Candace Avalos 27:39 - 27:39

27:39Aye.

Keelan McClymont 27:40 - 27:40

27:40Aye.

Jim Labby 27:40 - 27:40

27:40Aye.

Keelan McClymont 27:41 - 27:41

27:41Aye.

Loretta Smith 27:42 - 27:42

27:42Aye.

Unidentified speaker 27:42 - 27:42

27:42Aye.

Angelita Morillo 27:43 - 27:43

27:43Aye.

Olivia Clark 27:43 - 27:44

27:43Aye.

Sameer Kanal 27:45 - 27:45

27:45Aye.

Keelan McClymont 27:51 - 27:54

27:51With 12 aye votes, the consent agenda is approved.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 27:55 - 28:05

27:55Thank you, Keelan.

27:57We are moving on to the regular agenda items on our agenda.

28:01The first of those is a final report from GTAC.

28:04Keelan, could you call the item, please?

Keelan McClymont 28:09 - 28:11

28:09Council President, did you want to hear the—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 28:11 - 28:15

28:11We are doing the appointments first, aren't we?

Steve Novick 28:15 - 28:15

28:15Yeah.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 28:16 - 28:23

28:16Okay, let's move on to agenda item number 5.

28:18I apologize, colleagues.

28:20Let's move on to agenda item number 5.

28:22And Keelan, go ahead.

Keelan McClymont 28:24 - 28:31

28:24Thank you.

28:25Appoint Susan Trexler and Jonah James Jensen to the Portland Historic Landmarks Commission.

Unidentified speaker 28:34 - 28:34

28:34Welcome.

28:34Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 28:36 - 28:43

28:36Just share my screen.

28:37Believe this did not come through a committee, did it?

Unidentified speaker 28:45 - 28:46

28:45This did, yes.

28:46Yes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 28:47 - 28:56

28:47Okay.

28:47Did we hear this in governance?

28:51That wasn't it.

28:53Okay.

28:54That wasn't it.

Keelan McClymont 28:58 - 29:01

28:58So this item was pulled by Councilor Kanal off of consent.

Eric Zimmerman 29:04 - 29:04

29:04Yes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 29:04 - 29:11

29:04I'm just wondering if we need to turn to a committee to give us any information about it.

29:10Why don't you guys go ahead and get us started?

Unidentified speaker 29:15 - 30:57

29:15Yes, thank you and good evening, councilors.

29:18For the record, my name is David Kuehnhausen.

29:20I'm the interim director of Portland Permitting and Development.

29:22I'm joined today by Stacy Monroe.

29:24She's a senior planner in the Design and Historic Resources team within the Land Use Division.

29:28In Portland Permitting and Development.

29:30On behalf of Stacy and those joining us online, Susan Trexler and Jonah James Jensen, I wanna thank you for accommodating the request to move this up the agenda tonight.

29:39One of the responsibilities of staff in this group is to provide assistance to commissions to enable them to discharge their duties.

29:45And Stacy is the liaison to the Historic Landmarks Commission.

29:51The HLC is a decision-making body for historic resource reviews and advisory body to council on some demolition reviews.

29:57This commission is comprised 7 members, all of whom are educated, interested, and knowledgeable on historic preservation.

30:05They provide leadership and expertise on maintaining and enhancing Portland's historic and architectural heritage, and they actively participate in the development of design guidelines for historic districts.

30:16Members are appointed by council for a 4-year term with an option for a second-term reappointment.

30:22In 2025, the HLC will have one member term out in June, and we'll have another member declined to seek a second term.

30:28They will term out in March.

30:31PP&D recently ran a recruitment to fill those upcoming vacancies, and Stacy and I are here today to seek final approval of Susan Trexler and Jonah James Jensen for appointment on the HLC.

30:44I'll now pass it over to Stacy to conclude the presentation.

30:48Great, thank you, David, and good evening.

30:50We're seeking 2 candidates for appointment for a 4-year term.

30:53Susan Trexler will be filling the position— sorry, let me—.

Angelita Morillo 30:57 - 30:58

30:57My screen didn't advance.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 30:59 - 31:01

30:59Click it again.

Unidentified speaker 31:01 - 32:44

31:01Thank you.

31:02Susan Trexler will be filling the position of preservation consultant, and Jonah James Jensen will be filling the position of architect.

31:10Both will bring valuable experience that is being lost with our 2 outgoing members.

31:15These appointments will ensure the Historic Landmarks Commission will continue to perform their duties as a decision-making body and an advisor on historic preservation matters.

31:24These candidates bring a wealth of experience and expertise to the commission.

31:28Specifically, Susan Trexler is a consulting architectural historian with 10-plus years of professional experience in historic preservation.

31:37She has 6 years of experience as a historic preservation urban planner performing project reviews and a staff liaison to a preservation commission.

31:47She also volunteers at architectural history groups and most recently at Portland's Architectural Heritage Center.

31:55Jonah James Jensen is a licensed architect with 20 years of experience, including some historic rehabilitations and additions.

32:02He has led and facilitated a variety of stakeholders that required collaboration and participation with culturally diverse and multilingual groups.

32:11He has also served on a historic commission in the state of Washington for 6 years.

32:17If appointed, Susan's first term will run from April 1st of this year to March 31st of 2029, and Jonah's first term will run from June 22nd of this year to June 21st of 2029.

32:30With these appointments, the Historic Landmarks Commission will have all 7 positions filled.

32:35We appreciate your support in considering these appointments for approval, and as David mentioned, both appointees are available via Zoom thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 32:46 - 33:04

32:46And I'm going to turn to Councilor Novick.

32:49This went through your committee.

32:51I apologize, I should have started with you, but I was trying to figure out which committee it had come out of.

32:55Are there any comments that you would like to offer on the folks who we are being asked to confirm appointment of today?

Steve Novick 33:04 - 33:24

33:04Yes, we were very impressed by these 2 candidates.

33:07I would like to ask Mr. Jensen to provide a little bit more information thank you.

Mitch Green 33:24 - 33:27

33:24I'd be delighted to.

33:27Yeah.

Sameer Kanal 33:27 - 33:37

33:27So, as mentioned, Stadium High School was a project in Tacoma, Washington, that I actually started my career on as an intern way back in 2002.

Mitch Green 33:38 - 33:49

33:38Spent the first 5 years, very formative years of my career, working on that project and rehabilitating it to its pre-1979 state, if you will.

Olivia Clark 33:50 - 33:50

33:50It was—.

Mitch Green 33:50 - 33:53

33:501979 was a really bad renovation.

Sameer Kanal 33:53 - 34:18

33:53And so it was an amazing project, very exciting project, and one that I ended up self-publishing a book on and distributing internationally for Um, you know, alumni and, and folks that were interested.

34:08So, um, yeah, but you get a chance to go visit it, it's still, still holding up really well, and I'm delighted to have been a part of it.

Steve Novick 34:19 - 34:19

34:19Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 34:22 - 34:31

34:22Thank you.

34:23Um, and councilors, you do have a committee staff summary that is attached to the electronic, uh, report of this agenda item as well.

Steve Novick 34:37 - 34:43

34:37Um, I confess I didn't look for that.

34:40Um, darn.

34:43Um, do we?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 34:44 - 35:02

34:44We do.

34:44Okay, if you click on the agenda, on the link in the agenda, it is there at the bottom of the agenda item.

34:51Um, Keelan, do we have anybody signed up for public testimony?

34:57No testimony.

34:59Okay, great.

35:00Councilor Zimmerman.

Keith Wilson 35:02 - 35:15

35:02Thanks.

35:02Obviously it's an easy choice.

35:04I would've voted for this in the consent agenda.

35:05So I think we should probably start with why was it pulled from the consent agenda?

35:09Is there a concern?

35:10Is there a problem here?

35:11What are we getting at?

35:12'Cause we just went through the— I'm trying to understand what we're doing here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 35:15 - 35:20

35:15Councilor Kanal, you had requested that this item be removed from the consent agenda.

35:19Would you like to respond?

Sameer Kanal 35:21 - 35:52

35:21Yeah, sure.

35:21Thanks.

35:22I pulled it from the consent agenda because it's important for us to treat our advisory boards and commissions with the respect that they deserve, including analysis of those we appoint I will be pulling every appointment to boards and commissions that advise City Council off of the consent agenda for the duration of my time in office.

35:39Just so I made that clear before.

35:41So because this is an advisory board to council on some land use decisions, that this is worthy of being considered in this fashion in the light of day.

35:48I have absolutely no concerns with the appointees and intend to vote aye, as I did in the committee.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 35:54 - 35:55

35:54I'm just curious.

Mitch Green 35:58 - 36:05

35:58Why the Veterans Memorial Coliseum is on the slide?

36:02Should I be nervous that that's going to be a National Historic—.

Unidentified speaker 36:05 - 36:05

36:05No, it was just an—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:06 - 36:08

36:06It was an image that we selected that everyone would be familiar with.

Unidentified speaker 36:09 - 36:16

36:09It is a landmark.

36:10It is a city-designated landmark to be protected.

36:14So we thought it would be a great image to put on there.

Mitch Green 36:18 - 36:18

36:18Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:20 - 36:25

36:20Councilors, any other discussion?

36:24Keelan, could you please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 36:28 - 36:35

36:28Council President, since this is a report, would you like to ask for someone to accept the report and make a motion?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:36 - 36:40

36:36That is a good point.

36:36This is a report, isn't it?

36:37And we're off consent.

36:38Do we have a motion?

Steve Novick 36:40 - 36:43

36:40Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:43 - 36:44

36:43On the first.

Loretta Smith 36:45 - 36:46

36:45I say so moved.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:46 - 36:47

36:46Okay, thank you.

Keelan McClymont 36:48 - 36:52

36:48Thank you.

36:50Okay, Avalos?

Candace Avalos 36:53 - 36:54

36:53Aye.

Keelan McClymont 36:54 - 36:54

36:54Dunphy?

Jamie Dunphy 36:55 - 36:55

36:55Aye.

Keelan McClymont 36:56 - 36:56

36:56Smith?

Loretta Smith 36:56 - 36:56

36:56Aye.

Keelan McClymont 36:57 - 36:57

36:57Kanal?

Sameer Kanal 36:58 - 36:58

36:58Aye.

Keelan McClymont 36:58 - 36:58

36:58Ryan?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 36:59 - 36:59

36:59Aye.

Keelan McClymont 36:59 - 37:00

36:59Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 37:00 - 37:00

37:00Aye.

Keelan McClymont 37:00 - 37:01

37:00Morillo?

Loretta Smith 37:01 - 37:01

37:01Aye.

Angelita Morillo 37:02 - 37:02

37:02Novick?

Steve Novick 37:02 - 37:02

37:02Aye.

Olivia Clark 37:03 - 37:03

37:03Clark?

Unidentified speaker 37:04 - 37:04

37:04Aye.

Keelan McClymont 37:04 - 37:04

37:04Green?

Olivia Clark 37:05 - 37:05

37:05Aye.

Mitch Green 37:07 - 37:07

37:07Aye.

Keelan McClymont 37:07 - 37:08

37:07Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 37:08 - 37:09

37:08Aye.

Keelan McClymont 37:09 - 37:12

37:09That's 12 ayes.

37:10The report is accepted.

Olivia Clark 37:17 - 37:17

37:17Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 37:17 - 37:25

37:17Keelan, could you please call our next agenda item?

Keelan McClymont 37:26 - 37:31

37:26Item number 7, accept the Government Transition Advisory Committee final report.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 37:31 - 38:09

37:31Councilors, we've heard a number of times before in different forums from our GTAC, our Government Transition Advisory Committee, but that committee So we've asked them to come back to give us a final report with any last things that we should know from them.

37:53Many of them have offered to be resources as we move forward, but this is the, the final report to close out their work.

38:01I'd like to invite you up to share with us some of the takeaways that you want to make sure we have in mind as we continue our work.

Loretta Smith 38:10 - 38:10

38:10Thank you, Mayor.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 38:10 - 38:32

38:10Thank you so much.

38:16And we have Fred and Jose kicking us off tonight.

38:19Perfect.

38:21And Councilor Koyama Lane, we did hear this report is a little bit different from what was heard in committee, but we did recently hear in the Governance Committee from GTAC.

38:29Is there anything you'd like to share before our guests get started?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 38:35 - 38:35

38:35Do I have to?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 38:36 - 38:37

38:36Opening remarks.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 38:38 - 39:49

38:38Yeah, so colleagues, this is the final report from the Government Transition Advisory Committee, or GTAC.

38:44The previous council appointed GTAC in March 2023, and it sunsets this month.

38:50This important volunteer committee was tasked with ensuring effective and efficient implementation of charter reform, engaging the public, and providing advice to the city.

39:00So last week, we welcomed GTAC to the Governance Committee for a robust and targeted discussion on both policy movement and budget development and how the community can participate in both.

39:11Today provides an opportunity for GTAC to now give an overview of all of its work.

39:16The current co-chairs will present the final report, and then we will have ample time for councilor questions and discussion.

39:26And many GTAC members are here to participate in this discussion.

39:29We'll take public testimony at the end.

39:30We will vote to accept the report.

39:31Thank you.

39:34We will vote if we're going to accept the report.

39:36With that, I welcome up—.

39:38Well, you're already here—.

39:39Fred Neal and Jose Gamero-Georgeson, current co-chairs of the Government Transition Advisory Committee, to present the final report.

39:48Thank you so much for being here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 39:51 - 39:54

39:51Go ahead and introduce yourselves and jump in.

39:53Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 39:54 - 45:53

39:54Thank you, Madam President.

39:55Thank you, Council.

39:57My name is Fred Neal, and I'm here with Jose Gamero-Georgeson.

39:59Georgerson.

40:00We are the current co-chairs of the Government Transition Advisory Committee, GTAC.

40:05The GTAC was appointed by the mayor and council in March 2023, and our term concludes this month.

40:12We were tasked with ensuring effective and efficient implementation of charter reform, engaging the public, and providing strategic research-informed advice to the city.

40:24GTAC members represent a cross-section of Portland, and we are united in involving Portlanders in the successful transition of our government.

40:34We hope that our work and our advice provides crucial community input into your elected positions and the new form of government.

40:45Next slide, please.

40:48Jose and I will give a 20 to 25 minute presentation that covers our appreciations, how we did our work, advice to city transition leadership, lessons learned, our recommendations for new city leadership, and the guidance we have for the city going forward.

41:05We ask that you hold your questions and comments till the end of our presentation when we will have time for questions and discussion.

41:12Many members of GTAC are here today to join the discussion.

41:16Next slide, please.

41:20We want to begin by acknowledging that the transition to a new government has been remarkably successful.

41:26The signature features of the charter amendments— a ranked-choice voting election, new council districts, and the replacement of the commission form of government with a mayor, a city administrator, and a legislative council— have been implemented.

41:40Substantial additional work has been done, from the physical renovations of City Hall to the collection of staffing, code, administrative, and organizational changes made to support the new government.

41:52We recognize the early success of the Salary Commission and the Independent District Commission in setting up the basic parameters for the first ranked-choice voting election of the entire suite of elected officials in the new government.

42:06Then the November 2024 election became a major focus.

42:11The development of election rules and processes was a remarkable collaboration across multiple jurisdictions and offices in an incredibly narrow window of time, resulting in a technically flawless first-ever ranked-choice election in Portland.

42:27Members of the GTAC deployed as community educators in voter education efforts, seeing firsthand the excitement and enthusiasm building in the weeks before the election.

42:38By the first council meeting in January of this year, the transition had provided the council with the basic tools necessary to start legislative work in the new government.

42:47And where pieces weren't yet in place, the council followed many of our recommendations by increasing funding for staffing and creating and populating council committees.

42:58Meanwhile, in the executive branch, several budget reforms regarding community engagement were being implemented according to GTAC's recommendations, and a new engagement officer was hired to adopt a citywide approach to community engagement.

43:13The complete reboot of Portland's government in the 2 short years since the vote on the charter amendments is a giant accomplishment.

43:20Above all, the GTAC recognizes and deeply appreciates the enormous amount of thoughtful and collaborative work to launch the new government.

43:29Next slide, please.

43:32Our committee is comprised of hardworking volunteers.

43:36In over 75 public meetings, we debated and deliberated how to ensure the city's transition is effective and efficient.

43:43We researched 20 peer cities to identify promising practices of good government elsewhere from which Portland might learn.

43:52And most importantly, we served as the public engagement body for the transition.

43:57In a summer of focused community engagement, we asked community leaders, stakeholders, transition and bureau staff, and hundreds of Portlanders for guidance, feedback, and improvements to our recommendations.

44:10We then finalized our recommendations consistent with what we learned.

44:14We provided 141 presentations to community groups on the city's transition, including more than 50 neighborhood and business associations.

44:2439% Of our community presentations were in partnership with communities historically left out of City Hall decision-making.

44:32Thank you.

44:33Over our almost 2 years of work, we've collectively contributed more than 4,000 hours to the transition.

44:39Next slide, please.

44:43Throughout the transition, the GTAC gave constructive informal and formal advice to city leaders in the transition.

44:49In public meetings, we evaluate— we evaluated the transition work plan, transition community engagement plan, revisions to Code 3.02 on council organization and procedure, the voter education plan, the transition project budget, and how to evaluate the city's transition efforts.

45:09More formally, we issued recommendations to city transition leaders on 4 subjects.

45:14First, council staffing.

45:16GTAC recommended expanding the number of employees.

45:20The previous council did not follow GTAC's advice.

45:23We appreciate this council quickly acting on this recommendation.

45:28Second, district offices.

45:30GTAC recommended temporary low-cost district offices while the city conducted robust community engagement to determine what programming Portlanders want in their districts.

45:41The previous council initially agreed with temporary low-cost district offices but reversed course.

45:47The previous council also failed to allocate resources to engage Portlanders on what programming they want in districts.

Olivia Clark 45:53 - 45:54

45:53Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 45:54 - 1:04:42

45:54We understand that tonight's consent agenda includes authorizing the city administrator to negotiate and execute a lease for District 3 council office space, and we are glad to see movement on this issue.

46:07Third, community engagement.

46:09GTAC recommended improvements to community engagement and an expedited process to hire the new citywide engagement officer.

46:17We are pleased the new engagement officer began at the end of January.

46:20Thank you.

46:21And we look forward to the adoption of a citywide approach to community engagement.

46:27Fourth, onboarding of new leaders.

46:30GTAC made a series of recommendations about the onboarding process for the new elected officials.

46:35Some of the recommendations were implemented, and we believe they strengthened the process.

46:40Some recommendations weren't implemented, such as partnering with GTAC.

46:45Next slide, please.

46:48Our nearly 2 years of dedicated service.

46:52Over that 2 years, we've reflected on our journey, identifying both significant challenges and meaningful accomplishments.

46:59We hope these insights offer valuable guidance for future efforts.

47:03Early in our term, confusion arose regarding the scope of the GTAC's advisory role and how its input would be applied to the broader transition project.

47:13The previous council excluded GTAC from advising on the executive branch reorganization.

47:19This lack of clarity resulted in inefficiencies, protracted discussions, a member's resignation, and no significant community involvement oversight on a significant portion of the transition.

47:32The GTAC convened 6 months after the charter amendment's approval, placing it in a reacting position relative to the transition team's progress.

47:40Members face the dual challenge of catching up on complex work and addressing the substantial scope of the project, leaving limited time to fully engage or effectively utilize the wealth of input available.

47:55Tasked with educating and engaging the public about the government transition, the GTAC faced significant challenges due to the city's lack of a structured or consistent Aye.

48:15The GTAC's very existence enhanced transparency in the transition process.

48:20Its meetings provided a platform for open dialogue, enabling both the committee and the public to learn about key aspects of the transition.

48:28Participation in the GTAC proved deeply rewarding for many members.

48:33Fostering a stronger sense of civic duty and personal fulfillment while highlighting the value of engaged, informed residents.

48:42Our involvement underscores the long-term benefits of empowering residents to take active roles in local governance.

48:51Next slide, please, and I'll pass it to Jose.

48:54Thanks.

48:55Thanks, Fred.

48:56Again, I'm Jose Gomero-Jorgensen, GTAC co-chair.

49:00In addition to advising city transition leaders, GTAC also leads recommendations for the new city leadership.

49:07Next slide, please.

49:10GTAC has detailed recommendations for the new city leadership in 5 different areas: engagement with city government, budget and budget engagement, council and council committees, city administrator recruitment, and voter education.

49:24I'll give an overview of each set of recommendations, but we encourage you to read our final report for a full description of each one.

49:33Next slide, please.

49:35I'm going to begin with probably the most common theme throughout GTAC's work, which is that charter reform provides an opportunity to redefine what community involvement looks like here in Portland, as well as shift the The public opinion of the city itself.

49:53To rebuild trust, engagement processes need to, need to be much— excuse me— need to move much more from city government in the way of transparency, accessibility, reliability, consistency, and clarity of purpose.

50:10The new government needs to take full advantage of the new government structures and take proactive care that does not default to the bad habits and poor practices of the past.

50:23We have many recommendations related to community engagement, but our general guidance is this: a thoughtful, unified, and well-coordinated approach to community engagement.

50:34Crucial to this work is the review and reform of the city's overall approach to advisory bodies in the context of the new form of government, district representation, and a renewed emphasis on system-wide community engagement.

50:49Responsibility for the overall management of advisory bodies should be clarified, and standardization of proven and effective practices should be considered.

50:59It is also crucial for council to implement procedures and manners of communicating with constituents and increase and improve district communications and constituent relations.

51:12We appreciate that the city has launched a new citywide newsletter.

51:16We also appreciate that 311 is working with both branches of government to adopt more consistent tools to respond to constituents, as well as the individual communications you're all sending out.

51:29We look forward to council implementing more inclusive community informed decision-making processes.

51:35Next slide, please.

51:39The transition to a desiloed city administration provides opportunities to identify redundant services that can be consolidated, thereby eliminating unnecessary costs.

51:51The mayor, city administrator, and council should actively and publicly through public meetings and public involvement, identify those inefficiencies and efficiencies and how they can be incorporated into the city budget process or taken out of it.

52:11We also want to ensure that our councilors are aware of a report produced last year for the city called the Budget and Finance Staffing and Budget Process Transition Report.

52:24Immediate concrete and coordinated steps need to be taken in both executive and legislative branches of government to move implementation of the report's recommendations along.

52:36Next slide, please.

52:39Because the roles of the legislative and executive branches significantly change when it comes to budgeting, charter reform provides a unique opportunity to enhance community engagement in the city's new budget process.

52:54We believe the city can strategically build off the current and upcoming budget engagement opportunities.

53:01We want to thank the city budget office for already implementing several of our proposed reforms regarding budget engagement.

53:09We also appreciate the city administrator releasing preliminary budget recommendations in February the recommendations are providing a tool for council and community-based organizations to engage Portlanders on the budget.

53:22We hope that next year the city administrator's recommendations will be simplified for broader consumption and be part of a more holistic budget education and engagement strategy that includes advisory bodies, and that the city will have a strategic plan in place to guide budget A couple of items that we want to highlight that the city has in plan in the planning stages is the need to reconsider advisory bodies for the budget.

53:51Our advice is to dissolve bureau-specific budget advisory bodies, create service area advisory bodies, and assess and revisit the citywide community budget advisory board.

54:04In addition, primary.

54:06Responsibility for the design, coordination, and implementation of community engagement in the budget process should be centralized in the city administrator's office.

54:16Next slide, please.

54:20Charter reform provides an opportunity for council to be more strategic and forward-thinking and to engage community in new ways.

54:29You need to appropriate resources.

54:31To successfully implement your new roles.

54:35We appreciate that council voted to increase the supplemental office budgets for use at your discretion, including hiring additional staff, but we do remain concerned about your staffing levels and recognize that the funding for additional council operations staff hasn't been identified.

54:53We also appreciate that multiple opportunities existed for team building among counselors during your December onboarding.

55:00We hope that you continue to find these opportunities.

55:04The early development of a citywide strategic plan is a priority for GTAC.

55:09We understand that the city leadership team has discussed high-level scope of work for this project and is actively working on assigning a project manager and start date for this work.

55:22We ask that strategic planning remains high on your to-do list.

55:28We also appreciate that you quickly created and composed council committees, and you did so in alignment with legislative priorities versus executive functions.

55:37We remain concerned that not all districts were represented on every council committee, especially because committees are going to, um, going to be the place for significant budget-specific discussions.

55:51There's still a lot of work to do to establish council rules and norms, and this work needs a champion to make it happen.

55:58We want to thank Chair, um, Koyama Lane and Vice Chair Ryan and their entire governance committee for inviting us to join the committee last week to dig into some of these issues.

56:12Finally, we do recommend that you create a code commission responsible for recommending necessary code changes to review, organize, and update and maintain a moderate— modern and accurate city code.

56:28Next slide, please.

56:32Our next recommendation relates to the city administrator recruitment.

56:37In short, we recommend the city implement a robust, well-designed, timely, community-informed, transparent city administrator appointment process.

56:48We spoke in depth about our recommendations when the city administrator's appointment was on your agenda.

56:55We appreciate that the council approved a resolution submitted by the mayor that established a nationwide recruitment, um, that will be— that will being this spring and a new city administrator appointed by January 2026.

57:11However, the city provided a written response to recommendations.

57:16This was the response we found the most dissatisfying.

57:19The city merely acknowledged G-Tax recommendations rather than provide any progress updates on this.

57:27We hope that the council stays ahead of the progress being made on the recruitment.

57:31Improvement, and that is that the process remains transparent all the way throughout with opportunities for community involvement.

57:40Next slide, please.

57:43Our final recommendation area is for future voter education efforts.

57:47As a reminder, charter reform included a mandate for the city to provide specific voter education campaigns to educate Portlanders about ranked choice voting in general.

58:00Our advice is for the city to invest in what worked in 2024 and address the identified areas of improvement for voters of color and voters in District 1.

58:11We want to acknowledge that future voter education efforts will be led by the Auditor's Office, and we've shared recommendations with them as well.

58:19We want to thank the Auditor's Office and specifically the elections office, some which are here today, for their partnership, partnership with us over the last 2 years.

58:29And we know they are already planning on the next election.

58:32There are some elephant elements of our voter education recommendations that we want to highlight because they are outside of the scope of the auditor's office.

58:42Council should define its role regarding voter education with a focus on counselors from lower voter turnout districts.

58:53The city should also provide ways for the public to learn about the candidates, as that was one of the biggest things we heard.

59:01Finally, we believe that the voter education efforts done by the Auditor's Office should be implemented by city-provided ongoing civics education, especially in lower voter turnout districts and building trust with hard-to-reach communities between election cycles.

59:19We can go on to the next slide, and I'll pass it back to Fred to close out our presentation.

59:30We recognize that there are still many outstanding loose ends and open questions arising out of the transition, and it will be important for the city to follow through on resolving them.

59:41The GTAC believes that the promise of the charter amendments extends beyond simply setting up a new government.

59:47To realize the full potential of the charter reforms, GTAC envisions the need for continuing commitment by both the executive and legislative branches to ongoing work in the following areas.

59:59First, commit to finding efficiencies in the new form of government during this budget cycle and continuing transition work.

1:00:07The GTAC is very much aware of the severe budget constraints facing the city in the upcoming budget cycle.

1:00:13However, continuing the deep work on the government transition will help inform the budget priorities and trade-offs.

1:00:21Finding efficiencies in a desiloed government, consolidating and restructuring areas of top-heavy management, and streamlining processes are essentially— are essential parts of necessary ongoing transition work.

1:00:35Thank you.

1:00:36We also recognize the difficulty of budgeting without a strategic plan in place.

1:00:43Second, commit to a citywide strategic planning process and schedule and begin work.

1:00:50There is wide acknowledgment that the city needs to embark on a strategic planning process to guide priorities for policymaking and budget decisions in the new government over a longer term, but there's no clear path to do so in a comprehensive Council committees are separately discussing priorities, and the constrained budget will force some urgent decision-making.

1:01:11But these are poor substitutes to planning broadly and comprehensively.

1:01:16A full transition to the new form of government cannot be considered complete until this planning process occurs.

1:01:24Third, commit to creating a citywide systemic approach to community engagement.

1:01:30With an expanded district-based city council, reorganized neighborhood coalitions, and desiloed bureaus, as well as a newly staffed engagement officer position, the time is ripe for an overhaul of weak and failed community engagement practices in Portland.

1:01:47A thoughtful, unified, and well-coordinated approach to rebuilding relationships with community will be necessary, along with new approaches that emphasize trusted messengers and district-level delivery.

1:02:01Fourth, commit to collaboration between the legislative and executive branches and continued support of the council.

1:02:09The new expanded legislative council still needs to develop more robust rules and procedures and accountability mechanisms to district residents to bolster its ability to function in the new charter-reformed government.

1:02:22As inevitable frictions evolve, Formal and informal mechanisms to foster collaboration will be increasingly necessary across districts, council committees, branches of government, and constituencies.

1:02:37Fifth and finally, commit to a work plan to implement the GTAC recommendations.

1:02:43We appreciate that the city administrator responded in writing to many of the GTAC's recommendations, and we hope a similar model will be used for many advisory bodies.

1:02:51For the city.

1:02:53As the GTAC sunsets, the city administrator should add the most recent GTAC recommendations to this punch list and continue to make progress toward completion of them.

1:03:03The Governance Committee of the council should insist on regular updates.

1:03:07Next slide, please.

1:03:11We appreciate that many detailed elements of the transition remain open questions as the new government gets underway.

1:03:18New practices and procedures, new norms and traditions, and new ways of governing will need time to develop.

1:03:26The GTAC would like to thank the many people who contributed to this effort, in particular the elected leaders who took the time to meet with us and engage in discussion, the transition team who provided us with information, guidance, and important perspectives, and bureau leadership and staff who made themselves available to answer questions.

1:03:44Thank you.

1:03:48And of course, the GTAC's superb and transformational staff team of Julia Meyer, June Reyes, and Guillermo Salgado need to be thanked heartily.

1:04:00Finally, the GTAC is honored by and thanks the countless Portlanders who came to a meeting, a community presentation, a listening session, or provided impressive and useful input thank you.

1:04:16The Government Transition Advisory Committee concludes its service with deep appreciation for the work that has brought us so far so successfully.

1:04:26We hope our suggestions and guidance assists with the work that must continue, and individual members are here ready to assist you as needed.

1:04:34That completes our presentation, and we look forward to any discussion you wish to, uh, Involved with this.

1:04:41Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:04:42 - 1:05:19

1:04:42Thank you.

1:04:43Thank you both for the presentation, and thank you to the entire committee.

1:04:47I know that you have put countless hours over years into this work, and putting more time into a final presentation with very thoughtful recommendations for us to move forward on is, is really helpful, and I appreciate it.

1:05:03I know many of my colleagues do as well.

1:05:04So thank you.

1:05:08Keelan, I believe we have public testimony signed up.

1:05:11I think we're going to take public testimony first, and then we will move to council discussion and invite members of GTAC back up to answer questions from the council.

Keelan McClymont 1:05:20 - 1:05:23

1:05:20We have 2 people signed up.

1:05:22First up, Jim Labby.

Jim Labby 1:05:30 - 1:08:42

1:05:30Good evening, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and City Council.

1:05:33My name is Jim Labby.

1:05:33I'm a District 2 resident, and I'm a board chair I'm the chair of Participatory Budgeting Oregon.

1:05:39Our mission is to support more just and participatory public budgeting for all Oregonians.

1:05:45So I wanted to follow up on GTAC's important presentation to make sure that you understood what participatory budgeting is and isn't.

1:05:52Now, it didn't make the top of the list in this presentation, but in the committee it was mentioned, and it's on page 28 of the report, a recommendation to explore participatory budgeting.

1:06:01And it's a topic that's important because it's It's been a topic of confusion for the past city councils.

1:06:06And I've submitted a packet with that diagram and actually some polling data on city of Portland voters.

1:06:13But quickly, I think it's useful to describe participatory budgeting in the context or in relationship to the budgeting process you're currently in.

1:06:21As you know, when you adopt a budget in June, you won't be deciding how every public dollar is ultimately spent.

1:06:30Rather, you'll be mostly allocating funds within broad categories or to bureaus that hopefully reflect your priorities and the public's.

1:06:39You are effectively, in this sense, you're effectively delegating a portion of your budgeting power within parameters, mostly to bureaus, but also sometimes to nonprofits and businesses to advance the city's work.

1:06:51Now, while most bureaus and departments and NGOs do that, Most of the time, as you know, Portland has struggled with adequate transparency and accountability over how public funds are spent on the public's behalf.

1:07:04This is a problem that has in many ways increased and made a lot more Portlanders distrustful of their government.

1:07:11So instead of delegating budgeting power to bureaus and NGOs to make the many budget decisions you can't make, PB basically delegates some of that budgeting power directly to the residents of the city.

1:07:24Who are allowed to decide within parameters how a portion of the budget is invested on their behalf.

1:07:32So PB is a process that commits to radical transparency and accountability over a portion of the budget by a clear set of rules that outline the process and how people can get involved.

1:07:45The PB process allows residents to collaborate with each other and with city staff To develop feasible projects or short-term programs that then are subject to a vote of all residents citywide or in your city council districts.

1:08:01So, and this is, so then, and this is crucial, the city implements the winning projects and evaluates the process and does it again the next year.

1:08:13And this is really critical because it is by doing that that you convince more and more residents to get involved in this process over time.

1:08:20It's a proof of concept This is how PB in places like New York has grown to hundreds of thousands of residents deciding how to spend tens of millions of dollars annually.

1:08:32That's my time, but thanks for— hopefully it will be a continuing conversation about finally bringing participatory budgeting to Portland.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:08:43 - 1:08:44

1:08:43Thank you for being here.

Keelan McClymont 1:08:47 - 1:08:55

1:08:47Next up we have Karen Chiray.

1:08:54Karen Chire.

Unidentified speaker 1:08:56 - 1:11:57

1:08:56Yes, um, hello, my name is Karen Chire.

1:08:59I'm a resident of District 3, a business owner in District 4, and a member of Stay Damvid.

1:09:08I'm here today to address the pressing financial implications of our current administrator/councilor form of government.

1:09:16While the intention behind this governance model may have been to enhance effectiveness, we must critically examine the significant cost and inefficiencies that have arisen.

1:09:31As it stands, our city is responsible for paying 12 city councilors, a mayor, a city manager, 6 deputy city managers, and at least 2 to 3 administrative staff for each of these positions.

1:09:42The city's current governance model is This substantial payroll on top of maintaining offices at City Hall places an immense burden on our budget.

1:09:51Currently, we also face a proposal for District 3 councilors to lease an office space at a staggering cost of $36,000 plus additional property management fees.

1:10:04This raises serious concerns about our fiscal responsibility and resource allocation.

1:10:08Councilmember Given our budget constraints, it is perplexing that we would incur such substantial expenses when a city-owned building located at 4745 East Burnside Street offers ample space and parking.

1:10:23Utilizing this existing resource would not only save taxpayer dollars but also streamline operations by consolidating our administrative functions.

1:10:32Furthermore, we must consider the importance of public accessibility.

1:10:36Thank you.

1:10:37Would this additional lease space be accessible to the public for constituents to engage with their city councilors?

1:10:44It is vital that the locations where our councilors operate facilitate communication and interaction with the community they serve.

1:10:51If we can provide a space that is both cost-effective and accessible, we would be better serving our constituents.

1:10:58Leasing additional office space for the councilors while we have a suitable facility available exemplifies the inefficiency inherent in our current governance structure.

1:11:08The financial burden of leasing, combined with the duplication of roles and responsibility, only exasperates our budget challenges and diverts resources away from essential services that our community needs.

1:11:22While we cannot change the framework of our government at this time, I urge this council to reconsider the leasing proposal.

1:11:29And explore the use of city-owned building at 4745 East Burnside.

1:11:34By doing so, we can demonstrate a commitment to fiscal responsibility and the prudent use of taxpayer funds.

1:11:41It's imperative that we prioritize effective governance and accountability in our administrative practices.

1:11:48Let us work together to ensure that our city operates efficiently, responsibly, and maximize the resources we have at our disposal.

1:11:56Thank you.

Olivia Clark 1:11:57 - 1:12:02

1:11:57Councilmember Thank you for being here.

Keelan McClymont 1:12:02 - 1:12:03

1:12:02That completes testimony.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:12:06 - 1:12:45

1:12:06Councilors, I see a number of folks who are interested in discussion.

1:12:11Now, I do want to flag that at 7:20 we are going to take a 15-minute break, um, to allow anyone who is observing Ramadan to break fast.

1:12:21So we will start our discussion Hear from a couple of people, take that quick break, and then come back to conclude our discussion.

1:12:31Fred and Jose, if you'd like to come back up, and then if there are questions for other members of GTAC, please feel free to invite up your colleagues to help you answer the questions.

1:12:40You bet.

1:12:40Thank you.

1:12:44Go right ahead.

Olivia Clark 1:12:45 - 1:14:08

1:12:45Thank you, Madam President.

1:12:48Just to start off, thank you thank you so much for everything you've done.

1:12:52Fred, I know you've been a lifelong public servant and local government nerd, really.

1:12:58So I appreciate all the time, and I had the privilege of watching you actually make some presentations in the community, which was great.

1:13:05I just wanted to say I'm very proud and actually very humbled to be a part of what you all work to engineer, and I'm glad that we've taken advantage of many of your recommendations.

1:13:17But I know we have a long way to go.

1:13:20We're just beginning the cultural change that I think you had your finger on, particularly the tension between executive and legislative branch.

1:13:29We're just beginning to experience some of those things.

1:13:32But I also want to say that I appreciate your recommendation of a work plan, and I'll look at our council president.

1:13:38Yes.

1:13:38I think that taking up some of your recommendations, maybe after we get through the budget process, It's a great idea.

1:13:46I really appreciate some of that forward-looking ideas that you have.

1:13:52And I want to say lastly that I hate to see you go away.

1:13:57I just think that your work has been invaluable, and all the other GTAC members I see in the audience that I know.

1:14:03How can we best keep you in the loop and keep you informed?

1:14:07Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 1:14:08 - 1:15:13

1:14:08Well, thank you.

1:14:10We've those of us who wish to continue this conversation with you individually or as the council or with the administrative branch have given Julia's staff our personal contact information.

1:14:25Obviously, our Portland email addresses terminate as of March 30th, which is fine with me.

1:14:33But still, of course, we are much more I think we agree unanimously in our final meeting last week that we're all better citizens for having engaged in this process, and I look forward to a successful transition and a successful city that works better.

1:14:52And so feel free as individual councilors or in committees, the like, to contact any number of us.

1:14:59There's great expertise amongst I know I've gotten a few phone calls from your staffers, so my phone number is out there.

1:15:09I'm sure others are as well.

1:15:11You feel free to continue to do that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:15:17 - 1:15:18

1:15:17Thank you.

1:15:17Councilor Smith.

Loretta Smith 1:15:19 - 1:17:12

1:15:19Thank you, Madam President.

1:15:21I just want to say thank you for all the hard work that you all have been doing, and you've been doing this for a couple of years now, so Kudos to, to you and the entire GTAC folks who, who comprise of your committee.

1:15:36And I, I feel just like Olivia, how can we stay in contact with you?

1:15:41Because what, what you've done is given us some guardrails on how to and when to and what to do, and that gives us ideas on how we can maintain going into the future.

1:15:56One of the things that you talked about was community engagement, and I had a nice conversation today with our community engagement officer and to let her know that we were having district town hall meetings from, from my office.

1:16:12And I asked if she could share that information with who she contacted for the budget office so that we're sharing information.

1:16:20And you had something very similar up there, that we need to kind of have a holistic way that we reach out to the community.

1:16:27And I think it's so important that if one of us has a tool or have information, that we should be sharing that information with each other.

1:16:35It doesn't matter if it's a citywide event or not.

1:16:38I think we still need to, uh, make sure that when we're having individual district meetings, that those meetings are, um, Well attended as well.

1:16:49And, um, I think that your, uh, time and effort that you put forward, it is very much appreciated from Councilor Smith's office.

1:16:58And I know District 1 has enjoyed, uh, having you here too.

1:17:02So thank you, thank you, thank you.

1:17:04And if we can be ever of help to you, or you want to deliver a report, or you need to do something, don't hesitate to, uh, to ask my office.

Olivia Clark 1:17:12 - 1:17:12

1:17:12Thank you.

Angelita Morillo 1:17:23 - 1:18:11

1:17:23Thank you, Madam President.

1:17:24Um, I just want to say I'm so grateful and so heartened to see you here.

1:17:28I feel like the new form of government gave me so much hope, and I think that people have been so joyful.

1:17:33We just had our first budget in-district meeting, and there were, I think, around 120 people in person, and then over 88 people there online.

1:17:42So just the way that people have been invigorated by the new form of government and the access that it's given people is really life-changing.

1:17:50And I'm just very, very grateful for the work that you've done.

1:17:53I feel a little bit like we're your kids and we're going off to college and we're like, no, Mom, please don't, don't go away yet.

1:18:01And so I hope that we'll still get to come over for dinner sometimes and bug you guys and ask you questions.

1:18:06Uh, I'm just very grateful for all the work you do, and I hope to continue working with you in the years to come.

1:18:11Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 1:18:15 - 1:18:17

1:18:15Just remember to pack overnight bags.

Eric Zimmerman 1:18:18 - 1:18:19

1:18:18Will do.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:18:19 - 1:18:24

1:18:19Be careful, some of us might bring our laundry.

1:18:23Councilor Avalos.

Candace Avalos 1:18:25 - 1:20:29

1:18:25Uh, I was excited to leave my house, so I can't relate.

1:18:29Um, thank you so much.

1:18:30I have so much that I want to say, but I think it really just boils down to my gratitude for all of the hard work that you did.

1:18:38And in particular, I feel like what you highlighted is super important— how we engage our communities, how we build up district trust, and especially around budget, strategic planning.

1:18:50These are the kinds of things that I definitely want to continue to explore.

1:18:54And I'm— I was going to ask that same question that Councilor Clark asked about how you all, you know, as individuals, as citizens of Portland, wanted to continue to engage.

1:19:03I definitely consider my office Yes.

1:19:05Very open to continuing to hear from you all and welcome any feedback about what you're seeing as we're trying to implement these various recommendations.

1:19:16I'm not on the Governance Committee, but I'm going to be whispering in Governance Committee's ear just to, you know, make sure that as a council, we are really held accountable to implementing this.

1:19:26And partly it's because of the spirit of what you said too around advisory committees.

1:19:31Portlanders across our city, they put in hard work doing research, engaging with other Portlanders, really providing valuable assets.

1:19:39And it is a shame that so often that work goes underutilized, unnoticed, underappreciated.

1:19:46I don't feel that way, of course, but I know that that is the history and I really want to make that, keep it in the past.

1:19:53I think that this is the moment to really show how we are implementing what our community is Councilor Loretta Smith.

1:20:00Thank you, Mayor.

1:20:00I think that's a great point.

1:20:00I think that the way that we can make change is through the people recommending to us, and through these advisory boards is one way, but also in the way that we just change our relationship with citizens of Portland.

1:20:08So thank you so much for all of your hard work.

1:20:10I know those long nights, I know those, you know, frustrations of feeling like you might be speaking out into a void.

1:20:18Know that I am in the void, I'm listening, and I definitely plan to follow up with you all and keep in touch so that we can keep moving this forward, because this is going to take many years to implement.

1:20:28So I would encourage you all to stay engaged for sure.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:20:34 - 1:20:35

1:20:34Councilor Kanal.

Sameer Kanal 1:20:36 - 1:22:32

1:20:36Uh, yeah, I will have some questions, but I do want to also start by saying thank you.

1:20:41Um, Portland's volunteers in general who serve on committees like GTAC, you're dedicated, you're committed, you make Portland better, you're willing to work for it.

1:20:48Portland's worth fighting for, and you do it every day.

1:20:51I'm grateful to everybody who volunteers on any committee and committed to making your services meaningful as possible.

1:20:57And even by that high standard, you've done a ton here for GTEC specifically since you started your service 2 years ago.

1:21:04And so I want to express the city's in your debt, along with your colleagues on the Independent Districting Commission, the Salary Commission, and the Charter Commission as well.

1:21:12And speaking of the Charter Commission, I want to also thank the staff.

1:21:16It's the second time we've had Julia Meyer here bring a big project to fruition successfully.

1:21:21Thank you.

1:21:23Again, everyone who supports an advisory board citywide, I've been in your shoes.

1:21:26I recognize how hard it is and the support you need.

1:21:29And it's uniquely difficult when you have a high-profile, time-bound group.

1:21:33So thank you to June and Guillermo, but in particular Julia for project managing both Charter Commission and the Government Transition Advisory Committee.

1:21:43I also just wanted to highlight that, you know, you mentioned about having limited time and not being provided with a community engagement framework and having insufficient time to talk about community engagement.

1:21:52Yes.

1:21:54Because of the way that community engagement has not been set up, like about how that should function.

1:21:59It's sort of sadly ironic and I think worth really revisiting for us as we talk about how advisory groups work.

1:22:07And that's sort of my intro comments.

1:22:09I had 3 questions.

1:22:12The first thing was about council committees and if you could speak more as to the fixed scheduling or flexibility in scheduling.

1:22:21Yeah.

1:22:21And the, the sort of very, very strict time limits we've had and how that fits into your recommendations for it.

1:22:29And Madam President, would it be convenient if I just asked all 3 of my questions?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:22:33 - 1:22:42

1:22:33You know, we have a pause in 2 minutes, so let's start with a quick response to this one, and then we'll pick up your questions when we get back.

Sameer Kanal 1:22:42 - 1:22:43

1:22:42Great, thank you.

Loretta Smith 1:22:46 - 1:22:46

1:22:46We—.

Unidentified speaker 1:22:46 - 1:24:48

1:22:46I don't think we discussed I'm not familiar with exactly all the different parameters of how you're setting up your committees as far as time.

1:22:55I do agree that this is not a recommendation we gave, but having them at one time fixed for a certain period of time every day during the week will limit community engagement.

1:23:06And we did talk about that in— when we talked about the council meetings and things like that.

1:23:11If you're moving a lot of the things you're looking at into committee and take them out of council than moving your council meeting around to make it more accessible, but then moving the things you have to talk about into committees that are not accessible is not gonna go in the, in the spirit of what our recommendations were.

1:23:32Even though we didn't specifically talk about timing for the committees, I don't believe it matches up with what we did recommend.

1:23:40Councilor It doesn't allow for the most amount of people.

1:23:43You're still going to be limited to the people that can take off work, show up in the middle of the day on a certain day, probably a lot of people from this area, etc.

1:23:55Hi, Tessie Magaña-Paulo, for the record, District 1.

1:23:58I think also it's important to talk about what your agenda is going to be.

1:24:03If we know, like, as you're Solidifying your committees because it seems like there might be too many.

1:24:09And again, not every district is represented in each one.

1:24:12Um, I heard a lot of like, how do we keep GTAC around?

1:24:16And I think Jose said this in a previous, uh, public meeting, but if you invite people, they will come.

1:24:21And so like, while it's hard for working people to understand what your committees are and when your agenda's coming up, again, I think that framework of community engagement and identifying your stakeholders will be helpful.

1:24:33And again, if committee meetings are all during the working hours, because we understand you do have that work-life balance.

1:24:39That means a lot of energy and effort put into getting actual community engagement discussions, and that is transparent and accountable.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:24:49 - 1:40:33

1:24:49I'm going to pause us here.

1:24:52We are going to go into a 15-minute recess to allow anyone who is observing Ramadan to break fast.

1:24:59We will meet back at 7:35 to pick up.

1:25:01Councilor Kanal, on your line of questioning.

1:40:09We are reconvening tonight's City Council meeting.

1:40:13Thank you all for heading back to your seats.

1:40:20In, and as soon as our GTAC leaders are back at the table.

1:40:26Councilor Kanal, if you would like to continue with your final 2 questions, that would be fantastic.

Sameer Kanal 1:40:33 - 1:41:19

1:40:33Yeah, thank you very much.

1:40:38So thank you.

1:40:39I think that's— I'm good on the council committee's question.

1:40:42I want to ask sort of related questions related to advisory bodies, which is my thought has been, and I've engaged with a couple of members of GTAC on this, that, that having fewer, better resourced, more integrated advisory bodies would be better for policymaking.

1:40:59And I'd like to ask what your broad recommendations are on those types of questions, which are kind of a little outside of the scope of what's in the document.

1:41:07And also, just relatedly, would you have supported eliminating bureau budget advisory committees this year if you had known that there weren't going to be service area Budget Advisory Committees until next year?

Unidentified speaker 1:41:20 - 1:41:31

1:41:20Yes, we would have.

1:41:23And in fact, we brought it up earlier, but it seemed maybe too early for that suggestion to be receptive.

Sameer Kanal 1:41:33 - 1:41:34

1:41:33Clarifying, you would have still supported—.

Unidentified speaker 1:41:34 - 1:43:29

1:41:34Because we had the bureaus intact for the first half of the fiscal year and then more or less, or then in transition, whether they talked to their Citizen Budget Advisory Committees about that transition or not, we never heard.

1:41:50And it may be doubtful because our research and survey of members of all— many of the advisory committees, not just CB, Citizen Budget Advisory Committees, was that many of them felt that they weren't being utilized, they weren't informed, and that if they did have a discussion, it wasn't somehow institutionalized.

1:42:11Thank you.

1:42:12Through the process so they would get feedback and know whether their involvement was useful or not.

1:42:18We talked to a lot of people on advisory committees to make our recommendations.

1:42:22We did a lot of engagement, and the ones that complained the most about advisory bodies were people on budget committees and budget advisory bodies.

1:42:30So that's why we talk about 'em.

1:42:33The biggest complaints I heard were from those people that they were, There are all kinds of comments about how ineffective they felt they were.

1:42:42We talked about an advisory committee on advisory committees, but that seemed a little, you know, duplicate, maybe a little too bureaucratic.

1:42:51Just as long as you standardize your recruitment efforts, that you make sure that your efforts are diverse considering the overall citizen makeup, as well as the specific areas of expertise It depends on what expertise you're looking for advice on, whether it be legislative or administrative, and there's a difference there too, I think.

1:43:13I certainly hope— it occurred to me that, because I haven't been following, I don't know, some of us have been following your various committee meetings and attending quite a few of them.

1:43:23Are you getting— does Mr. Jordan's staff show up?

Steve Novick 1:43:29 - 1:43:29

1:43:29Yes.

Unidentified speaker 1:43:30 - 1:43:53

1:43:30For those, and are you engaged with them in discussion and learning and getting advice and knowledge from them?

1:43:38Because they're— they can be a conduit from citizen budget advisory committees from the bureaus.

1:43:45It's not budget advisory committees, but work service area advisory committees to you, to the council.

Sameer Kanal 1:43:55 - 1:45:26

1:43:55Yeah, and just a related—.

1:43:56Sorry.

1:43:57A related point on this is engaging accurately with the recommendations you mentioned, and I wanna highlight the comment you made on the status update in which a recommendation to accelerate the hiring of a city administrator, the next city administrator from the then scheduled June 2025 was marked as acknowledged with an explanation that it was actually being delayed by 6 months.

1:44:23I think it's important for us to just say we disagree when we disagree.

1:44:27I have concerns about one of your recommendations.

1:44:29I wanna make sure I say that, which is around being a one-size-fits-all for community engagement around the city.

1:44:36I personally have a concern about that.

1:44:37I think we should be allowing that conversation to play out, but I won't belabor that point.

1:44:43But my question, my last question on the city administration is, we have Deputy City Administrators, which are not a position that has direct reportage or appointment with the council, um, has a very significant role that is higher than a, a bureau director, which was sort of explicitly in the charter outside of the scope of council.

1:45:08And so I wanted to ask if you had thoughts on what a Deputy City Administrator should be in terms of its level of substantive work with the content of the work of the bureaus, and if you think that council should have, what type of role council should have in the conversation around deputy city administrators.

Unidentified speaker 1:45:30 - 1:46:59

1:45:30Well, let me, I mean, it's maybe personal.

1:45:32We have talked about it some in public meeting that we're sort of surprised that there weren't more bureau directors or managers that were then transposed to being service area deputy city administrators.

1:45:51Is there— and we made some reference in tonight's presentation about perhaps a top-heavy administrative structure and budget constraints aside and the like.

1:46:00It's just, does every bureau of the 26 that were preexistent have any of them been folded into some other bureau, or have they just been congealed into separate 6 service areas and still maintain their hierarchy of administrators?

1:46:20And that doesn't seem efficient to any of us.

1:46:24We had some, quite a bit of discussion about desiloizing means being more efficient.

1:46:32And you've got certainly a Deputy City Administrator has got to bring those formally siloed disparate bureaus, but they have like service functions into a particular service area to make them talk to each other, to collaborate, to coordinate, and to find out themselves.

1:46:53I guess this is the term used in the transition plan, in the change management contract, is future opportunities.

Eric Zimmerman 1:46:59 - 1:47:00

1:46:59Yes.

Unidentified speaker 1:47:00 - 1:47:45

1:47:00Well, the future is here now, and these opportunities are critical to you, I think, setting the precedent for streamlining the government, evoking efficiencies, and making sure that these bureaus are desiloed and are unified.

1:47:20Yeah, but let's be clear, as a GTAC, as a committee, did not talk about what these deputies, city administrators, should be doing.

1:47:27So yes, we talked about efficiencies and making things more efficient and desiloencing the government, but I don't want to get into my opinion on what they should be doing or whether or not we even should have an opinion on what they should be doing.

1:47:43I'm not necessarily sure that's up to us.

Sameer Kanal 1:47:45 - 1:48:26

1:47:45Well, I'm asking you personally because, and any of the other members, because I noticed you in the unclear committee objectives section, you specifically noted that GPO Thank you.

1:47:55I would like to note that the City Attorney's Task Force was restricted from discussing executive branch reorganization, which is a problem because that— and some of the colleagues up here and former councilors as well have noted that that is one of the major parts of the charter and therefore of the government transition, that you are the advisory committee to— it's in the name.

1:48:14And so I would love— I'm asking largely to give you the opportunity to talk about something that I think you should have been allowed to talk about for the last 2 years.

1:48:21And I'm sorry to put you on the spot in this way, but if you happen to have something, I'd love to hear it.

Unidentified speaker 1:48:27 - 1:51:11

1:48:27District 1, for the record.

1:48:29A lot of like the reorg part, a lot of the materials, even like, you know, the committee structures and all that, we were more reactive again than proactive.

1:48:40It was very hard in the previous council and mayor model to really provide any input.

1:48:48And so again, like, We, I think we've created a norm and a rule to discuss, as we say, like that this council should model in committee discussions.

1:49:00And it's really hard because one of the things we did wanna ask and why we pushed so hard on onboarding engagement was because we wanted communication in some form to be understood and clarified and accountable and transparent, and we never got it.

1:49:14Yeah.

1:49:15I think the closest we got was to the hope of seeing the onboarding session of how councilors and the mayor were talking to one another.

1:49:22But we haven't heard any updates since.

1:49:24Personally, I will say as a GTAC committee member, and again, if you want to invite like GTAC members for a future governance committee discussion regarding how do we streamline communications, because we did acknowledge you're gonna get calls from constituents about potholes and services, and how is that going to be held in the executive branch?

1:49:47And, you know, we had these conversations, but they were not in a space to be fostered and provide good recommendations.

1:49:55And I will say that the one thread common for GTAC is that our conversations were nothing— were not nothing, but were not our recommendations.

1:50:07While some people I think that's a good point.

1:50:08Councilors are wondering why we didn't fold more people up.

1:50:10Some of us, like myself, are glad that there are new people coming, looking at things in different ways.

1:50:16Like you mentioned, one size fits all for engagement.

1:50:19I don't think that's what we meant at all with the recommendation.

1:50:22Just with, like, with this, for me, having a plan, a person to oversee a plan means that you can think about this.

1:50:29We need to do it different in District 1 than in District 3 than in District It doesn't mean it should be one size fits all, but it should be that one person knows the entire plan so we're not duplicating efforts and things like that.

1:50:44Just like with deputy directors, there might be some places where institutional knowledge is more important, but you might be able to get that not in a deputy.

1:50:52You might be able to get it elsewhere.

1:50:54And you want a deputy that can come in with fresh eyes because it's a whole different system.

1:50:59Thank you.

1:50:59And so that we don't just fall into old ways of doing things.

1:51:03I've been a big proponent of doing that in almost every respect.

1:51:07This is our chance to do things completely different.

1:51:10Take it as often as you can.

Eric Zimmerman 1:51:11 - 1:51:41

1:51:11Bill.

1:51:12Oh, thank you, Fred.

1:51:13Bill Kinsey, a member of GTAC.

1:51:17I view the creation of the Deputy City Administrators as an effort to reduce the siloing of bureaus where each bureau looks out for itself.

1:51:30And if one organizes the bureaus in service areas, there's the opportunity to identify some commonality and increase efficiencies.

Sameer Kanal 1:51:43 - 1:51:45

1:51:43I'll stop here.

1:51:44Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:51:46 - 1:51:47

1:51:46Thank you, Councilor.

1:51:47Councilor Green.

Mitch Green 1:51:49 - 1:53:38

1:51:49Thank you, Madam President.

1:51:51I just want to start by saying I hear directly from Portlanders pretty much every day, both in my district and citywide, frankly, a sense of hope and relief on how well the new government is off to a great start.

1:52:04I mean, we're not perfect, we're still figuring it out, but the common thread is they are just grateful that it seems like we are willing to take action with urgency in ways that a previous council would not, and that we know how to work together.

1:52:17And I just, I want to Say it's really, really important to get things right, and you guys have put a lot of work into showing us how to get it right.

1:52:24And so I just kind of want to thank you.

1:52:27So when those folks reach out, say thank the GTAC, you know.

1:52:31So thanks for your service to the city.

1:52:34I have sort of, I guess, maybe a comment for my colleagues, but maybe also an invitation to weigh in on this comment.

1:52:40And it's on how we use committees.

1:52:43Yes.

1:52:43And how that intersects with community engagement.

1:52:45And you touched on it in your report.

1:52:47And one of the things I've been struggling with right now is this feeling that our committees are really just a reproduction of an old habit where bureaus are briefing in a unidirectional way to city councilors.

1:53:01And part of it is that we have to change our norms, and we're still figuring this out.

1:53:06And kind of how to decenter that a little bit and say you're going to get some space in our committees, but really our committees are also for the community to come on in, engage in a dialogue with us directly, offer ideas that either are a fully baked policy or the germ of an idea.

1:53:24And we do this sort of discourse to figure out how we move that policy into action.

1:53:31And so I'm wondering if you can comment on what you think the balance of that might be and, you know, What a best model looks like?

Unidentified speaker 1:53:40 - 1:55:28

1:53:40We were just reviewing this because there's so many recommendations that, I mean, we as East Tech members will not remember them all or we'll get them wrong.

1:53:47We folded— when I talked earlier about, I wasn't sure if we talked about council committees and time.

1:53:54We did.

1:53:54We folded into our councils.

1:53:56One thing we want out of council committees is your chance to have them at different times, not only at different times, but in different places.

1:54:05They're smaller committees, they're not the whole council.

1:54:07Why are they always here?

1:54:09Why can't, if it's, if your main agenda item is something that affects East Portland, why not have it in District 1?

1:54:16If your main thing has to do with Forest Park, then why not have it here or somewhere near Forest Park?

1:54:22Like, be creative to get people to be there.

1:54:28The heart of our work in my mind is community engagement.

1:54:31You hear it over and over, and you see it even in places where we're not talking about community engagement.

1:54:37Take that to heart and use your committee as a community engagement tool, not just another committee to hold hearings about bills that are just like every jurisdiction in the world.

1:54:49A critical factor, though, in council committees is that you get the right knowledge and information to make your committee deliberations and recommendations to the full council.

1:55:01And that means finding expertise out there as well in the community.

1:55:05And that's where it kind of falls on either committee staff, if you have that, who knows how to reach out in a particular subject area depending on the committee, or your council or individual councilor policy staffs that may— since you're on a particular committee, certainly your staff is involved in that, your work on that committee.

Eric Zimmerman 1:55:28 - 1:55:28

1:55:28Yes.

Unidentified speaker 1:55:28 - 1:55:43

1:55:28To some extent, and they can tell you who's out there, maybe, or help you find those people to bring them in so you get a broader perspective, a community perspective on that particular issue at that particular time.

Mitch Green 1:55:45 - 1:55:46

1:55:45That's really helpful.

Unidentified speaker 1:55:46 - 1:57:12

1:55:46Amy?

1:55:47Yeah, Amy Randall for the record.

1:55:49I don't know if this fits exactly to this comment, but I'm not sure if there's another time to say it, which is that at the At the heart of what the work we did was community engagement.

1:55:58We were the primary citizens engagement body.

1:56:00We weren't in charge of architecting the transition.

1:56:03We didn't write the charter reform.

1:56:06We were in charge of going out and talking to Portlanders and then bringing back their experience of dealing and interfacing with government and understanding how that goes into the new government.

1:56:15And what we heard overwhelmingly was that it's difficult to interface with the City of Portland, in particular difficult to interface with the council.

1:56:22Thank you.

1:56:22The website is hard to use.

1:56:24It's hard to find things.

1:56:25And when people reached out to their councilors, they didn't hear back.

1:56:31This was partially to do with the form of government, but also partially to do with poor systems on the part of the council, despite their best efforts to be in touch with their constituents.

1:56:41So with regards to committees and getting input on committees, we invite you to think of all of these things as Opportunities to improve engagement with the city, that somebody should have a positive experience when reaching out to their city councilor and actually expect action, actually expect to hear back.

1:57:01And we have a lot of recommendations that are around specific logistics of that.

1:57:07And then also we have recommendations regarding—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:57:13 - 1:57:15

1:57:13Oh, I forget what I was going to say.

Unidentified speaker 1:57:15 - 1:57:16

1:57:15Fix the website.

Mitch Green 1:57:20 - 1:59:13

1:57:20That's a really timely comment.

1:57:22I've been feeling that right now.

1:57:24I know that there are people trying to reach my office and, you know, we're doing our best, but it's like I would like to get back in a much more timely fashion.

1:57:32So I'll be looking very carefully at ways we can be pretty creative in that.

1:57:36And some of it's structural, some of it's like prioritization.

1:57:41So thank you.

1:57:42I can't miss this opportunity to thank Jim Labby for commenting on participatory budgeting, which is something I care a lot about.

1:57:50I know it's a piece of the report, and I bring it up because we're in the budget cycle.

1:57:56We're in the season where we consider the budget.

1:57:59And, you know, I was at the D3 budget listening session last night, and people have ideas about the budget and how we should use it.

1:58:08And I've been thinking a lot about this this quagmire we're in with the structure of our revenue for our city where most of it's restricted.

1:58:15We have a very, very, very small sliver of our revenue that's even open to negotiation.

1:58:21And I think if we want to move— and I understand why, right?

1:58:24Like, you know, let's say tax increment financing as an example.

1:58:28We use that so much because for some communities it's the only way that they can really earmark money for their community.

1:58:34But when you do that over and over and over again for various different things, what you're with is a revenue structure that's pre-specified.

1:58:41And so if we ever want to move to a world where the public has trust that we can pass a general tax that is for general purpose that we can adjust and change, I think participatory budgeting is how we get there because that builds a practice, that builds sort of democratic— you're flexing your democracy muscles.

1:58:59And so I just would like our council to think about that as we move forward.

1:59:05And I didn't want it to get lost in the sort of broader— we heard public comment and then Jim went away.

1:59:09So, so thanks for that.

1:59:12Um, and I think I'll just stop talking.

Eric Zimmerman 1:59:13 - 1:59:14

1:59:13Thanks.

Loretta Smith 1:59:17 - 1:59:20

1:59:17Uh, thanks.

Keith Wilson 1:59:20 - 2:00:54

1:59:20I, I will start with just echoing some of the comments that were made at the beginning.

1:59:24It is an honor to sit up here on this side after the significant amount of work that you all and you all there that I have the worst seat to see you all, but that you all did, right?

1:59:36That, that is not lost on me as a, as a son of Portland, um, and a person whose grandfather made a lot of ruckus in these, these chambers at different times over the decades.

1:59:46It is not lost on me that I am— I have a deep privilege here because a lot of the work that you all did.

1:59:51So thank you for that.

1:59:53Um, I'm very appreciative of the work that went in and the collaboration with Multnomah County.

1:59:58Washington County, Clackamas County, to make sure that all Portland voters got through this system.

2:00:04And I think we did it well.

2:00:05And as the only guy up here who won because of ranked choice voting, I'm into it.

2:00:12Thank you for extending that levity.

2:00:16So I just, I don't want that to be lost.

2:00:19I have a couple of questions, and similar to Mr. Kanal, I'm just kind of interested in the thoughts from the committee on a couple of items.

2:00:28Um, I'm going to come back to community engagement.

2:00:29My first one is, was the GTAC able to discuss, or how do you consider the auditor another branch of the government?

2:00:43Meaning we think of the executive branch, right?

2:00:45The mayor and the executive.

2:00:46We've got the council.

2:00:47Is the auditor another outside our scope.

Unidentified speaker 2:00:54 - 2:01:13

2:00:54We were actually informed that, um, the reorganization of the administrative end of it, whether it involved the auditor as a separate elected official or, uh, the mayor as a separately elected official, was not part of the charter change that we were to advise on.

2:01:13Okay.

Keith Wilson 2:01:13 - 2:02:14

2:01:13Uh, so it's were you aware in your studies though, were you aware of any location where the presiding officer of the legislative body didn't have direct oversight over the enabling functions like a clerk's office?

2:01:29Because here's why I'm asking it.

2:01:31Some of the challenges that we have is that we are, we are also working in a handshake agreement about what is possible, where to hold meetings, how to hold meetings, and we have a unique structure.

2:01:41Yes.

2:01:41Structure here where our clerk works for another branch of our government that is a challenge to meet some of those, because we are meeting a lot.

2:01:51We are stressing that team out in terms of its capacity, our contracts.

2:01:56We've had—.

2:01:56Interesting.

2:01:57An uncomfortable meeting previously that was canceled due to a contract with the streaming service.

2:02:04Some of those things that this council is trying to do some work, I'm not aware of any other government where we have that separation from the presiding officer, and I'm wondering if you learned of any in your studies.

Unidentified speaker 2:02:14 - 2:02:16

2:02:14I wonder if Terry is watching.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:02:17 - 2:02:22

2:02:17Terry is online and has raised his hand.

2:02:19Would you like us to have him speak to this?

Keith Wilson 2:02:22 - 2:02:23

2:02:22Oh, there he is.

Steve Novick 2:02:23 - 2:02:23

2:02:23Okay.

Unidentified speaker 2:02:24 - 2:02:25

2:02:24Hey, Terry.

Sameer Kanal 2:02:26 - 2:02:53

2:02:26Yeah, hey, thanks for, uh, having me on.

2:02:28And before I get started, um, Fred and Jose are doing an amazing job communicating our work, and I appreciate what they've done.

2:02:38Um, we did a lot of research into how councils were structured, and most councils have some sort of clerk.

2:02:47The level of independence of the clerk varied, and supervision of the clerk varied.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:02:54 - 2:02:55

2:02:54Most of them—.

Sameer Kanal 2:02:56 - 2:03:22

2:02:56Most councils are structured around the presiding officer having control of the, of the staff structure.

2:03:04Sure.

2:03:06Um, and it's because clerks aren't a separate entity of government.

2:03:13They are serving the legislative body.

2:03:17So I think that's the, the direct answer to Councilman Zimmerman's question.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:03:23 - 2:03:25

2:03:23And I know, I, I know you guys are struggling with it.

Sameer Kanal 2:03:25 - 2:03:39

2:03:25I watched the council and auditor work session the other day.

2:03:31And it is something that we, we knew was going to be an issue, and it is something that you'll have to work through.

Keith Wilson 2:03:40 - 2:04:20

2:03:40Thanks, Terry.

2:03:41I appreciate you coming in with that.

2:03:44My community engagement question— I, I've always thought of the 12 of us up here as, as a pretty significant part of the community engagement apparatus.

2:03:55I think that I see you nodding.

2:04:00I'm glad that— I wanted to check in with that.

2:04:03We had, you know, it's not lost on me that most, most parts of government are not written down.

2:04:10Most are built on practice.

2:04:13A few things get codified over 200-some-odd years, but generally we're in practice mode and a few things are written down.

2:04:19So we're creating frameworks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:04:20 - 2:04:21

2:04:20I think that's a good thing.

Keith Wilson 2:04:23 - 2:05:32

2:04:23At the beginning of this experience, we heard some unfortunate things that I think set a weird tone, and I'm curious about your, um, understanding of maybe why those tones could have gotten set.

2:04:35We had some staff who said we don't have a role in constituent relations, just send those on to the bureaus, they'll take care of them.

2:04:43We, we don't have a role in the way that we, um, conduct community meetings, that a community engagement officer will Do that for us.

2:04:53I struggle to think that that's what this body and GTAC came up with.

2:04:58And so do you have any estimation where and how— not lost in translation, but we got bobbled in translation somewhere from the community body that you all presided over through the staff and now into our practice?

2:05:12And we're just— we're still working through some of those kinks, I would call them.

2:05:15Um, we've got We just got some, some things to get moving a little bit, and I'm curious if you know where that came from.

2:05:22Well, I'm going to take the looks in the face— for those who can't see it, the looks on faces in the audience— as a, we're a little surprised to hear this.

2:05:30So, okay.

Unidentified speaker 2:05:32 - 2:06:07

2:05:32Yeah, I agree with you.

2:05:33You all should be a community engagement body just as much as anyone.

2:05:39We agree that although we all know that you can't do it all, There should, and like I said before, there should be one person that oversees everything so that things aren't falling through the cracks, right?

2:05:50And like you said, not everything is codified, but the problem is what if 3 councilors or 2 councilors in one district are actually doing engagement, one never does?

2:06:00Which is a little bit, we talked about why we need to have some person in charge or someone to oversee or rules in place.

Loretta Smith 2:06:07 - 2:06:07

2:06:07Yes.

Unidentified speaker 2:06:09 - 2:07:29

2:06:09But it shouldn't be— nothing should be that person decides it all.

2:06:13Um, every district's going to work differently, and it's going to work differently, and the people best suited to know that are you.

2:06:20Um, well, the relationship between the council as a legislative policymaking body and the administrator and mayor as the executive branch, um, is, is so critical to this you've got to iron it out.

2:06:37Oh, and you've got to be responsive to your constituents and to the knowledge that you're getting, hearing from your community members, to make sure that the bureau administration is hearing this as well and that you have an ongoing collaboration or reciprocity as far as communication is so vital.

2:07:00And we said that tonight earlier.

2:07:03This is something you're all going to have to practice, as is Mr. Wilson and Mr. Jordan and Mr. Jordan's successor.

2:07:13And more power to you.

2:07:15But the standardization of making sure that there's a— we talk about 311 and there's some way that if somebody asks a question, we know who asked the question, we know who they asked it of.

2:07:27Was it a councilor or a bureau?

Angelita Morillo 2:07:29 - 2:07:29

2:07:29Yes.

Unidentified speaker 2:07:30 - 2:08:22

2:07:30Administrator, and then what was the answer, and that there's a record of that so that the citizen knows that they're being listened to and that they're being responded to.

2:07:41I think the key is collaboration, because just like the engagement officer is not going to know it all, especially about your districts, you're also not going to know it all.

2:07:51There's some places where just the regular town hall doesn't work.

2:07:56People don't show up.

2:07:57So you have to come up with different ways.

2:07:59And I spoke, we spoke to the community engagement officer specifically about that in a meeting with her recently.

2:08:05And she told me of things she did in previous positions she's held to raise engagement so that in the future when they do have something like that, people do show up.

2:08:15So, and we don't expect you to know all those different methods because you might not be an expert.

Steve Novick 2:08:22 - 2:08:22

2:08:22Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 2:08:22 - 2:08:28

2:08:22On all the different methods of engagement.

2:08:24So it really needs to be a partnership where you're working together.

Keith Wilson 2:08:30 - 2:08:34

2:08:30I see someone coming to the, the desk.

2:08:33I'm sure it's something good.

Eric Zimmerman 2:08:34 - 2:10:07

2:08:34Not with all the answers, but I, I may be echoing, you know, some of the comments.

2:08:40But if, if I'm understanding at least part of the question, I mean, I think you're identifying a tension between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

2:08:52The executive branch is going to want to explain what it's doing in terms of administering or executing the law.

2:09:01But the legislative branch is going to want to explain its policy and really be in contact with the constituents.

2:09:11As an analogy, which I think many would say it's not working real well right now, the federal government.

2:09:23You have the executive branch doing various things, but you have a lot of congressional leaders— I mean, different, different views, but, you know, the congressional leaders have their tools for communicating.

2:09:39Communicating with the public.

2:09:41That doesn't specifically answer the question.

2:09:45Perhaps, you know, you know, the legislative branch needs to have, you know, organized, you know, a voice for how it goes out, or it leaves it to the individual councilors or the districts.

2:09:59But that will be a tension as to how much the executive— as the executive— as the legislative branch want to have your own voice.

Keith Wilson 2:10:08 - 2:11:39

2:10:08Thanks.

2:10:08Yeah, I, you know, I've— throughout your comments, throughout the presentation, I see that the public is very much centered, and then this body is very much centered in where you spend a lot of time, and that's not lost on me.

2:10:21And so I think of that as because then engagement was also this foundational principle, that it is engagement between council and public which was desired.

2:10:34It comes off the pages that that was desired so much.

2:10:38And so for me, I take that as those engagement functions, if they're going to exist in the city, should be set up to enable the council to be responsive, to hear, to understand, so that the policy can be directed or that our advocacy can be on behalf of.

2:10:55And so I think, you know, sometimes you get cramps and you get knots and you got to work them out.

2:10:59I think I think I'm learning through this a little bit, but I appreciate it.

2:11:02You know, my time at the county, I would say the constituent relations on this side of the river are not— they've got to be at least tenfold what my experience was at the county.

2:11:11And so that is a significant level that I think we are 12 engagement officers.

2:11:15So thanks for you guys' work.

2:11:16I am so appreciative.

2:11:18And I also just want to say, a government commission who has an ending date sure does seem motivated to deliver a solution.

2:11:28And I'm actually fan of ending certain ones because, man, you, you produced, you, you exited, and we, we beat the old trope of government just kind of talks about itself.

2:11:36So thank you for your work.

2:11:38All the volunteers, it was great.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:11:40 - 2:11:43

2:11:40Thank you.

2:11:42Councilor Koyama Lane.

Keelan McClymont 2:11:45 - 2:11:47

2:11:45I'll be quick.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:11:47 - 2:12:23

2:11:47Since Councilor Clark was kind enough to shout out Fred's amazing leadership, I feel at liberty to say thank you, Jose, for your leadership, particularly as you're someone from District 1.

2:12:01We know you wear a lot of different hats, and it's been really meaningful to have your guidance as someone who understands at a deep level the needs, hopes, challenges of a district that's been historically underrepresented in these chambers in many ways.

2:12:15So centering that through your leadership has helped make this process thoughtful and equitable.

2:12:22Thank you so much.

Candace Avalos 2:12:23 - 2:12:24

2:12:23Yay!

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:12:26 - 2:12:31

2:12:26Councilor Smith.

Loretta Smith 2:12:32 - 2:14:26

2:12:32Thank you, Madam President.

2:12:33I just wanted to go back and piggyback on what, uh, Councilor Zimmerman talked about, and I think that our guest kind of summarized it because there's the executive side where 311 reports to the executive side of the government.

2:12:49And the engagement officers, uh, community engagement officers, they also report to the executive side.

2:12:58And so as us, we're the legislative side, you know, we have a, we have a different mission.

2:13:05And you can't standardize that because we're individual elected officials.

2:13:10And so that is up to that elected official on how they want to engage, or how, how much they want to engage, or how little they want to engage with their constituents, maybe to their detriment.

2:13:22But we, we need to, to understand that you cannot standardize districts because we have individual people.

2:13:30We're not voted in as districts, we're voted in as individuals.

2:13:34Absolutely.

2:13:34And so therefore, we're creating something that we're, we're trying to build a foundation for.

2:13:42And so we need to have access to all the information that the executive side has.

2:13:48And I have to tell you, it, it was like pulling teeth about getting information to do community engagement that, you know, they wouldn't give to us.

2:13:58And I'm still trying to get some of that information because they have tools, they have the emails.

2:14:03Yes.

2:14:04They have the organizations that they've reached out to, but they're only actually using that for citywide services.

2:14:12So I just think that is just unconscionable.

2:14:14But at any rate, so we have to understand who we are, where we're at, and that we're elected individually, and you can't call us District 1 and assume that it is all going to be the same because it's not.

Unidentified speaker 2:14:28 - 2:14:55

2:14:28I agree with you.

2:14:29Like I said, everything's gonna have to change depending on who's working.

2:14:34And I do implore the executive branch and you guys to work together, especially at a time like this.

2:14:43Ideally, you would have your own engagement officer and you'd have certain resources that are yours.

2:14:49Exactly.

2:14:49But we are in a money situation that that might not be tenable.

2:14:53So there's gonna be a need for flexibility.

Steve Novick 2:14:56 - 2:14:56

2:14:56Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 2:14:56 - 2:15:27

2:14:56Maybe that can change in the future.

2:14:58But we talk about you having the appropriate resources to do your work.

2:15:01Those are the kinds of things we're talking about.

2:15:03You need to be adequately staffed and resourced to do all that.

2:15:08And we've heard public testimony that some people don't like saying you need more staff to do this.

2:15:14But in my opinion and experience, community engagement is how we get the city on track and it is how we get the public engaged with everything you're doing.

2:15:25So where, what, where else are we going to spend the money?

Loretta Smith 2:15:27 - 2:15:43

2:15:27And, and remember, Jose, um, resources don't always equal money.

2:15:33Resources means data, information that's shared between the different, um, executive and legislative levels.

2:15:42That's what I'm talking about.

Unidentified speaker 2:15:43 - 2:15:44

2:15:43It's still money.

Loretta Smith 2:15:44 - 2:15:45

2:15:44It goes back and—.

Unidentified speaker 2:15:45 - 2:15:46

2:15:45Staff time.

Loretta Smith 2:15:46 - 2:15:48

2:15:46Yes.

2:15:47Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:15:50 - 2:17:25

2:15:50Um, yeah, I just want to speak to this a little bit because, um, part of our mission was to reach out to Portlanders traditionally left out of City Hall.

2:15:57And I don't know how well we succeeded with that, but we spent a lot of time in conversation with communities that are very disenfranchised and, um, upset.

2:16:06Frankly, they've had pretty bad experiences dealing with City Hall.

2:16:10And over and over we heard again that they simply want to be listened to and that if they are offering feedback to the city, that the city is acting on that feedback.

2:16:20Those relationships have been burned over and over again out in community because of the city's disorganized way of engaging with the community.

2:16:29And this is a moment for exceptional leadership for you all, um, to really see that on a meta level and really understand that the city can't go on engaging with communities like that, like asking, asking, asking, and then not delivering.

2:16:45And then and then be surprised when it's difficult to do community engagement.

2:16:48So we invite you to recognize this moment of exceptional leadership and that you guys are asked to think of this in a way that is exceptional to your roles as councilors.

2:16:59You are architecting a new government, and this is a really unusual thing.

2:17:04And we invite you to meet the moment at the grandeur that you are.

2:17:08You are.

2:17:09We're so excited to see you all doing that.

2:17:11And that community engagement is at the core of so many of our recommendations because it is at the core of the city building trust with the people again and building trust that you guys are going to actually deliver on what Portlanders are wanting.

Loretta Smith 2:17:25 - 2:18:11

2:17:25And to add to what you're saying is that a lot of people think that 311 is our offices and they have to engage via, um, that, you know, email.

2:17:36And 311 is not us.

2:17:37Yes.

2:17:38And so they don't understand that.

2:17:40And so they send out an email and they correspond with 311, and all they want to do is talk and be referred to their, um, their elected person.

2:17:50And so the way it was set up was for them to go through 311 and then 3 layers down get to us, and, and that's not great.

2:17:59So I, I have changed the telephone number for me on the 311, that it doesn't go through that system, that they— it comes to my office if they want to talk to me.

2:18:10So thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:18:12 - 2:18:19

2:18:12Yeah, it's the user experience details that you all are going to exceptionally need to be mindful of and think about.

Keelan McClymont 2:18:22 - 2:18:23

2:18:22Thanks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:18:23 - 2:19:00

2:18:23Um, this is Juliet Himes from the GTAC, and this is when I implore you to work with your neighborhood associations and coalitions they're such a great resource.

2:18:32They're anxious to work with you.

2:18:34My neighborhood association has already met with all of our District 4 councilors, and they have gone through a lot and contorted themselves to fit in with this new charter.

2:18:45This is really the kind of the third, uh, really bumpy transition they've been through in the last probably 15 years.

2:18:55And I implore you, they, they, they're ready for your support, and they're ready to support you back.

Unidentified speaker 2:19:03 - 2:20:27

2:19:03Again, um, again, and I think this goes back to why we recommended service-aligned advisory bodies to really have a place where we can talk about service concerns and have the public engage with that.

2:19:16We also, um, in our recommendations, we want— we recommended that the standing committees reflect legislative priorities, but in order to have that be effective.

2:19:26We really then encourage creating a strategic priority, strategic plan.

2:19:32That way, when things come to attention and we need to make sure that the council and the executive are collaborating, is because we as a city have agreed to certain priorities.

2:19:44Um, I think as a council, or as a committee, we did talk about that.

2:19:48We imagined that the city administrator and Deputy City Administrator— sorry, it's been a second since I've seen the org chart— actually be present at some of these committee discussions.

2:20:02Because again, while there is the distinction of the executive duties, you are setting and aligning to priorities and building legislation.

2:20:11And that's again, I think, what's powerful about having service connected advisory bodies to help funnel that.

2:20:20And I'm so sorry, Councilor Smith, that that was your experience.

2:20:22I think this is the beauty of having transparency and accountability in a committee session.

Loretta Smith 2:20:31 - 2:20:43

2:20:31Other people's experience when they try to get connected with me, it's a lot of folks' experience.

2:20:36And then people who know me, they call me on my cell phone.

2:20:38I said, they say, I can't get to you through your, through your office, they're sending me to an email.

2:20:42Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:20:43 - 2:21:40

2:20:43And, um, I looked at the website, and it is great to have a website.

2:20:48I think this is when streamlined communications— this is again not a one-size-fits-all, but at least some level of coordination so that when somebody goes into your website, like, the, the voting record is new, that's great.

2:21:01The, the district maps and who's where, and like, there— some people have more information, some people have less, but at least having a landing space so that they can interact.

2:21:10Um, we, we uplifted 311 because they were great in the voter education stuff, but I think again this is where, where the tension of where the executive and the legislative come out.

2:21:21Um, we, when I, when we were talking about it, we, we assumed that that level of city administrator and inviting to the committees, that that was where the dialogue could happen, and that in my opinion is what we were for, what we were for.

2:21:36Um, and it's hard to capture that in a report.

2:21:39Those are, you know, lost in discussions.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:21:46 - 2:21:48

2:21:46Thank you.

2:21:46Councilor Ryan.

Dan Ryan 2:21:49 - 2:24:30

2:21:49Thanks.

2:21:49Thank you, Madam President.

2:21:51Um, I have had the pleasure of having a meeting with you before the committee meeting, then we had the committee meeting, and now there's this.

2:21:59And I have to say the third time was the best of all because there were some great questions that were asked.

2:22:04And I really appreciate the last dialogue we were having because we're experiencing those growing pains in real time on how the legislative branch and the executive branch work together.

2:22:14I think it's natural that this is happening.

2:22:16I really appreciate you being here, Annie Von Berg, the Assistant City Administrator.

2:22:21It was noticeable that I didn't see anyone over there earlier.

2:22:24Yeah.

2:22:24So I just want to thank you for being here this evening.

2:22:26It's really good to have someone in person in that, in that box.

2:22:30Um, I just want to say a few thank yous, uh, because I've had the pleasure of experiencing all of you in the last, um, highly regarded, uh, City Council.

2:22:39You can all like say laugh or whatever, um, with all the praise that you were giving us on how you were dealt with.

2:22:45And so it's been very healing to have an opportunity to be with this group and to be in all these meetings with you of late.

2:22:51I did always see you.

2:22:53It was clunky at best, but I just like that you hung in there the whole time.

2:22:59And I also want to just say a few things, like you've been very helpful.

2:23:03Well, first of all, serving with you, Chair Koyama Lane, you're like so gracious in how you welcomed them and really included them in the early days of building the governance So I hope you really noticed that, that we wanted to take your— the artifacts of your intelligence and make sure that we use that as foundational as we're building this.

2:23:25And so I've had the pleasure of being a part of that, and it's been really wonderful.

2:23:29I also think you've been affirming because you've also just like, okay, check, we're doing that, check, we're doing that.

2:23:35Like, there was a lot of marching orders you gave that I don't even know if we are conscious of this.

2:23:41Yeah.

2:23:41But we were guiding, we were being guided along by a lot of your recommendations.

2:23:46I do think I'm a little bit of a critic of how many committees we have.

2:23:52I think it's going to be wildly inefficient in the future if we continue to have this many committees with the amount of staff we have on the admin side because—.

2:24:02Mm-hmm.

2:24:03It just is.

2:24:04And we're stretching the auditor's office, we're stretching the admin side.

2:24:08So I think your recommendations were built on 4.

2:24:10I'm not saying we have to go down to 4, But I do think that you guided us towards rethinking that.

2:24:15And I hope that we do have some robust discussions about that.

2:24:19Losing almost everybody up here with that thought, I just want to again say thank you so much for all the work that you've done.

2:24:27It's been a real pleasure to dive in with you the last month and a half.

2:24:29Thanks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:24:33 - 2:24:56

2:24:33Seeing no one else in the queue, I think we'll let you go from all of the questions.

2:24:42With much gratitude from everybody up here for all the work that you've put in.

2:24:49Keelan.

2:24:50Thank you.

2:24:51I believe since this is a report, we need a motion to accept the report.

Sameer Kanal 2:24:56 - 2:24:56

2:24:56So moved.

Loretta Smith 2:24:57 - 2:24:58

2:24:57Second.

Keelan McClymont 2:24:58 - 2:25:00

2:24:58Sorry, who seconded?

Loretta Smith 2:25:02 - 2:25:02

2:25:02Commissioner Smith.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:25:03 - 2:25:06

2:25:03Councilor Smith did.

2:25:04Did you get the original motion as well?

Olivia Clark 2:25:07 - 2:25:07

2:25:07Yep.

Keelan McClymont 2:25:07 - 2:25:10

2:25:07Councilor Kanal.

Dan Ryan 2:25:10 - 2:25:11

2:25:10Committee.

2:25:11Oh well.

Keelan McClymont 2:25:13 - 2:25:13

2:25:13Avalos.

Unidentified speaker 2:25:14 - 2:25:14

2:25:14Huh?

Mitch Green 2:25:15 - 2:25:17

2:25:15I need to be there for that.

Candace Avalos 2:25:18 - 2:25:52

2:25:18I just want to put on the record my appreciation, particularly for my personal staff who were part of the transition team and were, uh, the folks responsible for a lot of the praise that you all gave.

2:25:30Um, my chief of staff ran the salary commission and the citywide practices community engagement project.

2:25:36And, um, my senior aide Sophia ran the independent district commission, um, and the voter education efforts.

2:25:42And I'm going to use this time on the record to give them some praise because they're also helping me integrate what you all have worked on.

2:25:49So thank you so much.

2:25:50And now I guess I vote aye.

2:25:51Yeah, okay, vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:25:54 - 2:25:54

2:25:54Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 2:25:56 - 2:26:00

2:25:56Truly, thank you all so much for the amount of work.

2:25:58The history books will remember it.

2:26:00Aye.

Sameer Kanal 2:26:01 - 2:27:57

2:26:01Yeah, thanks again for presenting the report, your extensive work the last couple years.

2:26:06I want to co-sign both Councilor Green's thank you to Jim Lobby as well, and my support for participatory budgeting for all the reasons he said.

2:26:12So ditto.

2:26:13I also want to thank Councilors Zimmerman and Smith for sort of building out my concern really well on the, the conversation.

2:26:19We need to lead on engagement in this form of government, and this also relates to what Councilor Green talked about with getting fed information from bureaus.

2:26:28So we do need our own capacity for engagement that's not filtered through the administrative side.

2:26:32And I say that here to say I am sorry that we're spending more time on the disagreement point because that's kind of how it works to some degree.

2:26:39But it does seem most councilors agree with most of your recommendations.

2:26:43And I also want to note that the fact that we're talking about the disagreement is actually a good thing because normally the capital C city used to hide the disagreement with advisory groups through ignoring you.

2:26:53And I think it's really good if we're modeling actual engagement with your recommendations, and I hope you agree.

2:26:59This is a historic time for the city.

2:27:01I appreciate you shouting out that this was a very successful election and a lot of the transition is going really well.

2:27:07We couldn't have gotten here without your input along the way.

2:27:09The recommendations will be continually helpful as we go forward, and I think as we hold budget listening sessions, I think we'll continue to see the recommendations around that.

2:27:18Yeah.

2:27:18Because the first one was very successful.

2:27:21One other thing to think about as we work to embed community participation is sustaining that throughout the journey that an item takes from first appearing in the filing system to appearing on a committee agenda to being voted on by the full council so that we're encouraging community input early in the process to shape the elements of an ordinance or resolution.

2:27:40And then when it arrives at a council meeting agenda, focusing our engagement there on soliciting testimony in favor, opposition, or on adjusting when it's kind of 95% baked.

2:27:50And I look forward to working with both council as a whole and hopefully with the Code Commission on this.

2:27:54So thank you, GTAC.

2:27:55Thank you, Julia, June, and Guillermo.

2:27:57I vote yes.

Keelan McClymont 2:27:58 - 2:27:59

2:27:58Ryan.

Dan Ryan 2:27:59 - 2:28:11

2:27:59Yeah, I just wanna say Jose, Fred, Bill, Destiny, Amy, Juliette, and Terry, you've got yourself in there too.

2:28:06Thank you so much.

2:28:07It's been good getting to know all of you of late, and I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:28:11 - 2:28:12

2:28:11Ashley Emily.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:28:13 - 2:28:13

2:28:13Thank you.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:28:14 - 2:28:14

2:28:14I vote aye.

Angelita Morillo 2:28:16 - 2:28:26

2:28:16Thank you so much for everything.

2:28:18I won't repeat all of Councilor Green's statements, but I agree with the participatory budgeting aspect, and I'm excited to get community more engaged in that.

2:28:26I vote aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:28:26 - 2:28:27

2:28:26Thank you so much.

Steve Novick 2:28:28 - 2:28:49

2:28:28I add my thanks to everybody, and I also specifically want to thank Fred Neal, who's been a major force in Oregon civic life for as long as I can remember.

2:28:37Every once in a while, I worry that Am I just outliving my welcome and should I consign myself to the scrap heap?

2:28:43But knowing that you're still in there swinging, swinging makes me think that maybe I still have something to offer too.

2:28:48Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 2:28:50 - 2:28:50

2:28:50Aye.

Olivia Clark 2:28:51 - 2:28:58

2:28:51Ditto.

2:28:51Councilor Novick is one of those old-timers with Fred.

2:28:55And thank you both, Jose and Fred, for presenting tonight, and all the members of the GTAC.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:28:59 - 2:28:59

2:28:59Aye vote aye.

Mitch Green 2:29:02 - 2:29:14

2:29:02Thank you, members of GTAC.

2:29:04You get the Mitch Green stamp of approval.

2:29:07I want to specifically thank Bill for your service both in the federal government and now.

2:29:12Once a public servant, always a public servant.

2:29:14I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:29:19 - 2:29:19

2:29:19Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:29:20 - 2:30:12

2:29:20Adding my gratitude to what others have said, I also just want to call out that I know there are additional recommendations that didn't make it into your report that are also very important.

2:29:30We will be looking at there was information you highlighted for the Governance Committee that we didn't talk about tonight that I know will be guiding the work of that committee.

2:29:40And as I go about the work as Council President and think about the precedent that we set in every action we take, I try to make sure that I'm thinking about the values that you've uplifted and that Portlanders uplifted through your work and through the opportunities that you provided, and really try to think about the ways that we can make our work easier to follow, easier to understand, and more accessible to Portlanders.

2:30:04So thank you not only for your work, but for creating space for all of our neighbors' voices through your work.

Keelan McClymont 2:30:13 - 2:30:17

2:30:13Aye.

2:30:15The report is accepted with 12 aye votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:30:22 - 2:30:31

2:30:22Councilors, we have a couple of more administrative items now.

2:30:26Keelan, could you please read items 8, 9, 10, and 11 together?

Keelan McClymont 2:30:32 - 2:31:11

2:30:32Item 8, initiate foreclosure action on 11514 Southeast Alder Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2:30:42Item 9, initiate foreclosure action on 10218 North Tyler Avenue for the collection of delinquent city item 10, initiate foreclosure action on 111 Northeast Killingsworth Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2:31:02Item 11, initiate foreclosure action on 4121 Northeast Grand Avenue for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:31:13 - 2:31:17

2:31:13Thank you.

2:31:14And councilors, when we originally heard these thank you.

Michaela McCormick 2:31:17 - 2:31:17

2:31:17Thank you.

Loretta Smith 2:31:17 - 2:31:17

2:31:17Councilor Herbold.

2:31:17Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:31:17 - 2:31:58

2:31:17Regarding these items, we were told that on item 8, the foreclosure at 11514 Southeast Alder Street, would be removed from the list if the payment plan that had been proposed was agreed to and a first payment was made.

2:31:32That has happened, so we are referring item 8 back to Mayor Wilson's office and will be discussing items 9, 10, and 11.

2:31:47Um, I believe there is not any more public comment accepted on these.

2:31:51So, councilors, is there any discussion on agenda items 9, 10, or 11?

2:31:56We do have staff here if there are any questions.

Candace Avalos 2:31:59 - 2:32:01

2:31:59Are we going to vote for all of them at the same time too?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:32:01 - 2:32:05

2:32:01We'll vote for each one individually.

2:32:03Okay.

2:32:04Councilor Ryan.

Dan Ryan 2:32:06 - 2:32:19

2:32:06Yeah, I have a question.

2:32:07Number 11— let's see, number 10.

2:32:11I voted on this before, and that was like a year ago.

2:32:15And so I just want to know, will I have to keep voting on this every 6 months to a year?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:32:19 - 2:32:21

2:32:19Could you please—.

Dan Ryan 2:32:21 - 2:32:27

2:32:21And then we also passed the legislation that took this from a year to 3 months.

2:32:26This has been quite baffling.

Sameer Kanal 2:32:28 - 2:33:00

2:32:28For the record, I'll state my name.

2:32:30Kevin Foster, foreclosure prevention manager for the city.

2:32:34So this property It is go.

2:32:37It depends on whether you guys vote to approve it for it or not, but we will proceed with foreclosure.

2:32:41We do have the current owner is in negotiations with the buyer Habitat for Humanity to purchase the property, and their goal is to demolish the property and build four town four townhomes there.

2:32:56So that's where we're at, and I will definitely keep you posted on the progress of that.

Dan Ryan 2:33:01 - 2:33:02

2:33:01Thank you.

2:33:01I appreciate that.

Sameer Kanal 2:33:07 - 2:33:12

2:33:07Just a question for you, Madam President.

2:33:09Um, do we have to vote separately on the referral back to the mayor's office?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:33:13 - 2:33:41

2:33:13Uh, I have been told that we don't have to.

2:33:16I will look both to our clerk and to our attorney to make sure that we're getting head nods saying we don't have to.

2:33:22Okay, councilors, any other questions or comments So moved.

2:33:30I think, I think we don't actually need a motion on this one.

2:33:32I'm just encouraging it.

2:33:35Keelan, could you please call the roll separately, but we'll move forward on items 9, 10, and 11?

Keelan McClymont 2:33:41 - 2:33:45

2:33:41Yes, thank you.

2:33:43Item 9, Avalos?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:33:46 - 2:33:46

2:33:46Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:46 - 2:33:46

2:33:46Dunphy?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:33:47 - 2:33:47

2:33:47Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:47 - 2:33:48

2:33:47Smith?

Loretta Smith 2:33:48 - 2:33:48

2:33:48Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:33:49 - 2:33:49

2:33:49Kanal?

Unidentified speaker 2:33:49 - 2:33:50

2:33:49Aye.

Eric Zimmerman 2:33:50 - 2:33:50

2:33:50Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:51 - 2:33:52

2:33:51Koyama Lane?

Dan Ryan 2:33:52 - 2:33:52

2:33:52Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:53 - 2:33:53

2:33:53Morillo?

Angelita Morillo 2:33:54 - 2:33:54

2:33:54Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:54 - 2:33:55

2:33:54Novick?

Eric Zimmerman 2:33:55 - 2:33:55

2:33:55Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:56 - 2:33:56

2:33:56Clark?

Dan Ryan 2:33:56 - 2:33:56

2:33:56Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:57 - 2:33:57

2:33:57Green?

Eric Zimmerman 2:33:57 - 2:33:58

2:33:57Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:58 - 2:33:58

2:33:58Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 2:33:59 - 2:33:59

2:33:59Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:33:59 - 2:34:00

2:33:59Pirtle-Guiney?

Candace Avalos 2:34:00 - 2:34:00

2:34:00Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:01 - 2:34:08

2:34:01The ordinance is passed with 12 aye votes.

2:34:04Item 10.

2:34:08Avalos?

Eric Zimmerman 2:34:09 - 2:34:11

2:34:09Aye.

2:34:11Dunphy?

Jamie Dunphy 2:34:11 - 2:34:11

2:34:11Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:12 - 2:34:12

2:34:12Smith?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:34:13 - 2:34:13

2:34:13Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:13 - 2:34:14

2:34:13Aye.

2:34:14Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:14 - 2:34:14

2:34:14Aye.

Dan Ryan 2:34:15 - 2:34:15

2:34:15Aye.

Angelita Morillo 2:34:19 - 2:34:19

2:34:19Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:19 - 2:34:19

2:34:19Novick?

Steve Novick 2:34:20 - 2:34:20

2:34:20Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:20 - 2:34:21

2:34:20Clark?

Michaela McCormick 2:34:21 - 2:34:21

2:34:21Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:23 - 2:34:23

2:34:23Aye.

Angelita Morillo 2:34:24 - 2:34:24

2:34:24Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:26 - 2:34:28

2:34:26Smith?

Unidentified speaker 2:34:36 - 2:34:37

2:34:36Aye.

2:34:36No.

2:34:37Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:38 - 2:34:40

2:34:38Aye.

2:34:39Ojeda?

2:34:40Aye.

Olivia Clark 2:34:41 - 2:34:41

2:34:41Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:42 - 2:34:42

2:34:42Novick?

Candace Avalos 2:34:43 - 2:34:43

2:34:43Aye.

Eric Zimmerman 2:34:44 - 2:34:44

2:34:44Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:45 - 2:34:47

2:34:45Aye.

2:34:47Aye.

Loretta Smith 2:34:48 - 2:34:48

2:34:48Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:34:50 - 2:34:50

2:34:50Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:34:51 - 2:34:53

2:34:51This is passed with 12 aye votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:34:56 - 2:35:10

2:34:56Thank you.

2:34:58Our next agenda item is another second reading.

2:35:02Um, this is a property transfer that we heard about at our last council meeting.

2:35:08Uh, Keelan, could you read the title?

Keelan McClymont 2:35:11 - 2:35:27

2:35:11Item 12, declare property located at intersection of I-405 and Southwest Naito Parkway as surplus property and authorize Bureau of Transportation to dispose of property to Oregon Department of Transportation in exchange for accepting property at west end of Steel Bridge ramps.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:35:29 - 2:35:42

2:35:29Thank you.

2:35:29Councilors, are there any comments or questions?

2:35:32I do believe we have staff available if there are questions.

2:35:40Okay, Keelan, could you call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 2:35:43 - 2:35:44

2:35:43Avalos.

2:35:44Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 2:35:45 - 2:35:45

2:35:45Yes.

Keelan McClymont 2:35:45 - 2:35:47

2:35:45Smith.

2:35:46Green.

2:35:47Kanal.

Eric Zimmerman 2:35:48 - 2:35:48

2:35:48Yes.

Dan Ryan 2:35:50 - 2:36:15

2:35:50Yeah, I just want to say a couple things.

2:35:51I'm just so excited that we're moving the Old Town Skate Park project forward after 20 years' journey to finally come to fruition, transforming this underutilized area into a recreation destination destination will be a tremendous asset in helping activate Old Town, which is what our businesses, our families, our neighbors, our guests, and our nearby hotels desire, because joyful activation equals revenue and public safety.

Jamie Dunphy 2:36:15 - 2:36:15

2:36:15Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:36:17 - 2:36:17

2:36:17Aye.

Unidentified speaker 2:36:19 - 2:36:19

2:36:19Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:36:21 - 2:36:21

2:36:21Aye.

Olivia Clark 2:36:22 - 2:36:25

2:36:22Uh, Councilor Ryan, let's just hope it doesn't take another 20 years.

Steve Novick 2:36:26 - 2:36:26

2:36:26Aye.

Mitch Green 2:36:28 - 2:36:38

2:36:28I just want to also express my gratitude that this is moving forward.

2:36:32I look forward to attempting to shred myself and very publicly humiliating and breaking every bone in my body.

Unidentified speaker 2:36:39 - 2:36:39

2:36:39I vote aye.

Keith Wilson 2:36:43 - 2:36:53

2:36:43I have no intention of ever setting foot on the thing, but I'll drink a beer while he falls on his ass.

2:36:49And I appreciate those in the back who made this happen.

2:36:51So thank you, and I vote aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:36:56 - 2:36:59

2:36:56Uh, District 4 councilors, I'm really looking forward to this ribbon cutting.

Steve Novick 2:37:02 - 2:37:02

2:37:02Aye.

Keelan McClymont 2:37:02 - 2:37:03

2:37:02The ordinance is passed with 12 aye votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:37:08 - 2:37:16

2:37:08Councilors, we are moving on to the final item on our agenda.

2:37:14Keelan, could you please read item 13?

Keelan McClymont 2:37:18 - 2:37:42

2:37:18Declare action concerning Zenith Energy Terminal Holdings, LLC, including placing communications into the public record, demanding the mayor to investigate violations of the Zenith franchise agreement, and urging the auditor to conduct an investigation into the competing statements and arguments heard by council on January 21st, 2025 by city staff, Zenith, and members of the public.

Unidentified speaker 2:37:43 - 2:37:43

2:37:43Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:37:51 - 2:47:36

2:37:51Councilors, I just, um, heard from staff that there's an ask for a brief recess.

2:37:56Um, are there any objections to taking a 5-minute recess?

2:38:02Okay, uh, we are going to recess for 5 minutes.

2:38:06We will come back at 8:39.

2:38:08Councilors, Going to call us back into council.

2:46:15If folks can take their seats, please.

2:46:18I apologize for that brief recess.

2:46:21There was some updated information about our current agenda item that staff wanted to make sure councilors had an opportunity to check in about.

2:46:36So councilors, we have had a few agenda items come out of committee, but this is actually our first major policy item that has come out of a committee, and we are going to try something thank you.

2:46:51Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

2:46:51So for those of you who are new tonight, we have a fantastic team in our Council Operations Office, including our policy analysts who help to staff our committee meetings.

2:47:04And Claire Adamsick has prepared a committee staff summary of this resolution and is going to come up, or is at the table, to share pieces of that summary with us.

2:47:20The staff summary is attached to the agenda item.

2:47:24If any of you have that pulled up, or for folks who are watching online, you can see the full overview of the staff summary there.

2:47:32And Claire will go over just a few of the highlights of that with us now.

Unidentified speaker 2:47:38 - 2:49:12

2:47:38Thank you, Madam President and councilors.

2:47:39For the record, Claire Adamsick with Council Operations and also staff to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

2:47:46The resolution before you, document number 2025-070, declares the council's interest in evaluating prior actions related to Zenith Energy Terminal Holdings, LLC, and in involving the public in decisions affecting human and environmental health and safety.

2:48:01It directs Portland Permitting and Development and the mayor to investigate potential violations of existing agreements and to evaluate compliance with applicable land use laws.

2:48:11It directs specified city bureaus and the city attorney to disclose all prior communications between the City of Portland and Zenith.

2:48:19The resolution also demands that the mayor pause any administrative actions related to Zenith while an investigation is in progress.

2:48:26Finally, the resolution urges the auditor to investigate and report on the city's actions related to Zenith's land use compatibility statement applications.

2:48:36The full impact statement on this item includes language both in the financial impact section, and it also describes community impact.

2:48:44And in terms of public testimony in the committee, at the committee meeting on March 10th, there were 4 people who testified and 7 people submitted written testimony.

2:48:59An additional— sorry, 4 people submitted individual comments and 1 person submitted a letter signed by representatives of 22 different community groups.

2:49:06And this was prior to committee action.

2:49:08I'll note that an additional 2 individuals submitted testimony after the committee—.

2:49:12Councilmember Herbold.

Angelita Morillo 2:49:12 - 2:49:13

2:49:12After the committee action.

Unidentified speaker 2:49:13 - 2:49:57

2:49:13Committee meeting and before the full— this full council meeting was posted.

2:49:18And I want to note that what I just shared does not include the written testimony that was submitted since the council agenda was posted, which is at least 75 different pieces of written testimony.

2:49:28The general themes in the public testimony that the committee heard on March 10th were, um, included transparency in the city's decision-making processes related to the franchise agreement, Investigating Zenith Energy's potential violations of the franchise agreement, mitigating potential harm to communities along the Willamette River caused by rail traffic and the threat of a Cascadia subduction zone earthquake, and ensuring that the city's actions are in compliance with the 2035 Comprehensive Plan and the North Reach River Plan.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:50:01 - 2:50:31

2:50:01Thank you, Claire.

2:50:02If you can bear with us for just a minute, councilors, I'm going to turn to the Councilor who presided over the public hearings to see if there are any additions to that report.

2:50:15We'll then let Claire go and I'll then turn to the Councilor who originally introduced the resolution to offer comments about the resolution more broadly.

2:50:27Councilor Clark, would you like to comment or would you like me to turn to Councilor Murillo who presided that day?

Olivia Clark 2:50:32 - 2:50:36

2:50:32Thank you, Madam Chair.

2:50:32Councilor Murillo presided that day, so I was not there at all.

2:50:36Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:50:36 - 2:50:42

2:50:36Councilor, is there anything that you would like to add from the committee discussion to the report that Claire has brought to us?

Angelita Morillo 2:50:44 - 2:51:11

2:50:44I think much of what we heard during the committee meeting is reflected in what we already heard at council sessions at large.

2:50:52I think Claire's summary was perfect, and we heard that testimony over and over again in the broader meetings and emails in context to at least my office, and I'm sure lots of other offices.

2:51:02So no, I don't have anything new to add.

2:51:05I would say that the community has a very strong invested interest in pushing us to bring more clarity to this situation.

Unidentified speaker 2:51:12 - 2:51:12

2:51:12Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:51:13 - 2:51:25

2:51:13Thank you, Councilors.

2:51:14Are there any questions about the committee report for Claire or Councilor Morillo?

2:51:20Councilor Kanal, are you in the queue with questions about the committee report?

2:51:22Sorry.

2:51:24Councilor Dunphy, are you in the queue?

Jamie Dunphy 2:51:25 - 2:51:25

2:51:25No.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:51:25 - 2:51:29

2:51:25Councilor Avalos?

2:51:26Okay.

2:51:27Councilor Smith, question about the committee report?

Loretta Smith 2:51:30 - 2:51:40

2:51:30Yes, I'm— yes, Madam President, I'm trying to get some clarification on what our action is, is going to be.

2:51:38Is it on voting on the report or—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:51:40 - 2:52:14

2:51:40No, we will vote on the resolution.

2:51:43The report is to give us a taste of the conversation in committee because we are moving toward doing much of the conversation around policy in a bill.

2:51:55In committee, this allows us to get a taste of what the conversation was and have some of that background information.

2:52:01It also ensures that councilors who have not been part of the creation of a policy from the start have their attention drawn to that committee staff report, which gives us a good summary of what is in the resolution.

Loretta Smith 2:52:15 - 2:52:15

2:52:15Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:52:17 - 2:52:31

2:52:17Okay, thank you, Claire.

2:52:22Councilor Green, as the original introducer of this resolution, would you like to speak to the resolution?

Mitch Green 2:52:32 - 2:55:27

2:52:32Thank you, Madam President.

2:52:33I would love to speak to the resolution.

2:52:36Councilors, when Portlanders voted to change our form of government, they did so on the promise that it would do away with a government structure that was unresponsive to all but the most well-connected Portlanders and not amenable to taking tough questions of accountability, oversight, and transparency head-on.

2:52:54We're, we're in an historic moment where the actions we take or the actions we choose not to take will establish the precedent for this new government for generations to come.

2:53:03So it is with this obligation that I bring forward this resolution with co-sponsors Councilor Murillo, Koyama Lane, and Dunphy, which calls on this body to address a number of issues that are urgent and related to Zenith Energy That present harms to our committee— our community, to our city government, and the public trust.

2:53:20So the resolution, I think Claire did a great job of summarizing the main things, but I want to highlight what it does.

2:53:26The first element, and the meatiest element, calls upon the mayor to exercise his authority and duty given by charter to investigate the franchise agreement that Zenith has with the city.

2:53:38It also demands disclosure of all prior communications between the city and Zenith Energy and to place them in the public record.

2:53:44Uh, third, it demands Portland Permitting and Development to evaluate whether its 2024 Greenway review remains in compliance with land use laws following what we have learned from the DEQ regulatory enforcement action vis-à-vis the 2022, uh, 2022 LUX.

2:54:02Uh, it urges the auditor, uh, to investigate the facts and settle the record with respect to competing claims and statements yes.

2:54:09Given to council members during the January 21st work session between staff reporting in the public record and members of the community.

2:54:18And finally, it demands that the mayor pause any further administrative action to the fullest extent allowed by the law related to Zenith Energy pending the outcome of these investigations.

2:54:28And so I'd like to just take another minute, if I may, to motivate why the franchise agreement aspect of this is so important.

2:54:35The charter grants each incoming mayor both the authority and also the duty to investigate the franchise agreements that the city issues to its franchisees.

2:54:45This is really important because cities grant franchises to private companies that perform inherently public functions, usually with monopoly rights.

2:54:53So this franchise relationship carries with it an essential regulatory obligation that our charter empowers the city with.

2:55:01And so when, when there's credible evidence that a franchisee has violated that agreement, we have an obligation to act.

2:55:08As the early parts of the resolution lay out, Zenith Energy appears to have violated its franchise agreement by failing to remain in compliance with the laws, applicable state and local laws.

2:55:17For example, failing to disclose its unpermitted activities with the city and the DEQ, as well as violating local lobbying rules.

2:55:24So to restore the public trust, we must investigate this franchise agreement.

Unidentified speaker 2:55:27 - 2:55:27

2:55:27Thank you.

Mitch Green 2:55:28 - 2:55:53

2:55:28The mayor alone has the authority and the duty to do this and provide council with the options for remedy if that agreement is found to be in violation.

2:55:37So failure to do so will send a signal to the city, send a signal to the community that the city is unwilling or incapable of exercising its due regulatory authority vested in its charter, and that any company seeking to do business with the privilege of the franchise is beyond account.

Unidentified speaker 2:55:53 - 2:55:53

2:55:53Thank you, Mayor.

Mitch Green 2:55:53 - 2:56:13

2:55:53The other parts of the resolution are designed to restore public trust by addressing issues of accountability, transparency, and inconsistencies in our own policies and also exclusion of the public from public matters.

2:56:05So at this point, I'd just like to offer, if I may, a moment for my chief co-sponsor, Councilor Morillo, to make some comments as well.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:56:14 - 2:56:15

2:56:14Councilor, go right ahead.

Angelita Morillo 2:56:16 - 2:57:53

2:56:16Thank you, Madam President, and thank you, Councilor Green, for that introduction.

2:56:22I feel like you laid out all of the policy parts really well, so I just want to take time to thank all the advocates who've worked on this issue for so many years.

2:56:30I'm going to name just a few of you, even though there's a million people that I could probably list here.

2:56:35350 PDX, Mosquito Fleet, the Linton Ladies, as Councilor Clark affectionately calls them, Columbia River Keeper, the Human Access Project, Breach Collective, Rose City Indivisible, and so many more.

2:56:47The education that you've done for both your community and the way you've empowered your neighbors to act, the way you've armed us as your representatives with information so that we can serve you better, is exactly how our government is supposed to work.

2:57:01We're at a crossroads here.

2:57:02This vote is going to signal how we do business as the City of Portland moving forward, whose voices we prioritize, and if we can stay true to our word.

2:57:12The public deserves transparency.

2:57:14Council also deserves to have all the facts in front of us when we make decisions, especially ones as massive as approving a franchise agreement with an oil company that operates alongside our delicate and sacred ecosystem.

2:57:27The goal of this resolution and this investigation is to give the public transparency, to give council all the facts, and to lay to rest the questions community has had for years about how corporations engage with our government.

2:57:41I'm proud to have worked with Councilor Green on this and to be joined by Councilors Dunphy and Koyama Lane for this historic vote.

2:57:48I'll now offer time to both of them if they have anything additional they'd like to add.

2:57:52Uh, with your permission, Madam President.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:57:56 - 2:57:57

2:57:56Happy to start with your co-carriers.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:58:01 - 2:58:34

2:58:01Thank you, Madam President.

2:58:02I'm so proud to be introducing the resolution regarding Zenith Energy alongside Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2:58:07I'm honored to be here alongside my fellow councilors Mitch Green, Angelita Morillo, and Jamie Dunphy.

2:58:12And I want to go back to what we just heard earlier from GTAC about ways we can improve transparency and accountability in this new form of government.

2:58:22It's so important, and I believe that this resolution follows in that spirit.

2:58:27I think this brings up important questions about who's able to directly intervene or play a role in city business.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:58:36 - 2:58:42

2:58:36Councilor Dunphy, I see that you're in the queue.

2:58:39Would you like to speak now or wait?

Jamie Dunphy 2:58:42 - 3:00:21

2:58:42I'd like to just make a very brief introduction, and then I will also have a conversation about an amendment.

2:58:47But very briefly, I'm honored to be joining my colleagues in co-sponsoring this resolution.

2:58:54Even though this— Zenith is so far away from District 1, this is still extraordinarily important to me.

2:58:59The climate crisis is the crisis of our time.

2:59:00That by which we will all be judged for all time.

2:59:04Um, I have a request though of the, of the folks here.

2:59:08I know that you all have been fighting for this for such a long time and care so deeply.

2:59:14I ask that tonight we don't use this as an opportunity to spend the next 2 hours bashing public employees.

2:59:21Um, we understand that there are some credible accusations of things that have happened on the record and on off the record.

2:59:27I ask that this not be the venue to voice that.

2:59:29Um, you are welcome to criticize me by name.

2:59:32I ran for this job.

2:59:33I, I earned it.

2:59:34Um, but I— and there are, uh, there are systems we have in place to deal with if a city employee violated a city policy.

2:59:43Uh, we have systems in place to deal with it if someone broke the law.

2:59:47Uh, this is not the venue to disclose that.

2:59:49And public employees have exceptionally hard jobs coming to work every day, and I choose to, uh, For the most part, adhere to Hanlon's Razor— never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

3:00:02So I ask just some grace from the folks here, recognizing that we are in a new day.

3:00:07There's a new form of government and a new leadership in town, and we are showing you what leadership looks like right now.

3:00:13So thank you all for being here, for continuing to show up, for continuing to care, and I'll turn it back to you.

3:00:20Thank you, Councilor thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:00:23 - 3:00:32

3:00:23Thank you to the carriers.

3:00:25We're now going to move into council discussion.

3:00:28I see a number of folks in the queue.

3:00:32Councilor Kanal.

Sameer Kanal 3:00:33 - 3:01:03

3:00:33Yeah, thank you, Madam President.

3:00:35My understanding is that normally at this point we'd be going to public testimony, and I wanted to raise the fact that I received information that public testimony was— there was a problem signing up, that when you went to tried to sign up for verbal testimony, there was no ability to do so.

3:00:52I reached out to the clerk's office about that.

3:00:54I did not hear back.

3:00:55I have concerns about that, and I'd like to know if there was a conversation about it, if it was a technical issue, or if there was a decision made on that subject.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:01:04 - 3:02:26

3:01:04Councilor, I'm happy to speak to that.

3:01:07We have been having a number of conversations in your governance committee about process around trying to yes.

3:01:18And on this particular resolution, there were a few folks who signed up to testify in committee, but not significant testimony.

3:01:27Everybody who had signed up to testify was heard from, and so there were a few conversations about whether additional public testimony today was needed.

3:01:39And what the effect of additional public testimony at council would be as we try to create new processes and new culture of moving as much discussion as possible to the committee meetings.

3:01:54For that reason, we decided to keep written testimony open so that folks who had not had a chance to submit comments were able to do so, but to not that is a decision that I made.

3:02:09If you have concerns with that decision, I will own that.

3:02:14It is a decision that I made in consultation with the original carrier of this resolution because it's not a decision that I should be making alone.

3:02:21But I will own the final decision-making.

3:02:23I wouldn't put that on, on our fellow colleague.

Sameer Kanal 3:02:27 - 3:02:34

3:02:27Can I inquire as to what statutory authority we have to make that decision?

3:02:30To limit public testimony at the full council?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:02:35 - 3:02:39

3:02:35Resolutions, as I understand it, do not require testimony at the full council.

Sameer Kanal 3:02:39 - 3:02:46

3:02:39So would I be correct then in saying that Code Section 3.02 allows the presiding officer to choose not to take public testimony?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:02:48 - 3:03:35

3:02:48I believe my understanding is that the code says that we need to take testimony in council yes.

3:03:00The ordinance does specify that we take testimony on ordinances, but does not specify whether or not we take testimony on resolutions.

3:03:06My understanding— and I wasn't part of this body in the past, but I am operating under how we have been working since getting here— when resolutions come forward, I am asked if it is an agenda item that we will be taking testimony on or not by the clerk as they put the agenda together for us.

3:03:27I generally consult with the person who has brought that resolution forward and then respond to the clerk.

Sameer Kanal 3:03:35 - 3:04:32

3:03:35Okay, so my understanding here is that we just had this conversation with GTAC around expanding the opportunity for people to weigh in verbally.

3:03:44We have 18 meetings a month, one of which is in the evening, and that the goal of this was not to keep hearing from only the people who can take time off during the day.

3:03:53Uh, I also would observe that under, uh, Code Section 3.02.030, under non-emergency ordinance, it says public testimony.

3:04:03It specifies it with very similar language to what it says under emergency ordinance, to what it says under resolution.

3:04:10So I would like to ask later on for, for advice from the attorneys on this.

3:04:15Um, I know that under reports it says the presiding officer determines whether public testimony is So I have major concerns about this, and I don't think that this is expanding power and how it's distributed throughout the city, which ironically is kind of the purpose of this document in the first place.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:04:33 - 3:04:44

3:04:33Councilor Knoll, is that a conversation you'd like to have tonight in the middle of our conversation about the resolution, or is that a conversation that you'd like to have with the attorneys another time?

3:04:41We do have Robert Taylor here if you'd like to have that conversation tonight.

Sameer Kanal 3:04:48 - 3:05:02

3:04:48I think that given that there were 100+ public comments in writing, there was clearly an appetite to weigh in on this.

3:04:55So I'd like a clarification from the attorney on the record, and then I will leave it at that and not continue it for the interest of time.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:05:02 - 3:05:04

3:05:02Mr. Taylor, would you like to introduce yourself?

Steve Novick 3:05:05 - 3:05:06

3:05:05Thank you.

Keith Wilson 3:05:06 - 3:06:09

3:05:06Uh, my name is Robert Taylor.

3:05:07I'm the Portland City Attorney.

3:05:09Uh, it's a pleasure to be here, and it's a It's especially a pleasure to follow the presentation from GTAC earlier.

3:05:19And to the specific question about whether public testimony is required on resolutions, the answer to that is yes.

3:05:31That's in the current council rules.

3:05:35I understand that the president and the governance committee have been talking about how to, in the future, structure the committees so that they hear the bulk of that public testimony so that they can be the engines and drivers of developing policy.

3:05:55As it stands now, this resolution would require public testimony.

3:06:00That is in the rule.

3:06:01That rule may be suspended by a vote of this body.

3:06:05Second.

3:06:06Uh, and it takes, uh, 9 votes to suspend the rules.

Sameer Kanal 3:06:10 - 3:06:10

3:06:10Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:06:12 - 3:06:19

3:06:12It appears that there may be a disagreement between the practice that has been brought forward to me and what we're hearing from the attorney tonight.

Candace Avalos 3:06:19 - 3:06:20

3:06:19Your Honor.

Loretta Smith 3:06:25 - 3:06:28

3:06:25Yes, Madam President.

Unidentified speaker 3:06:28 - 3:06:29

3:06:28Taylor.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:06:30 - 3:06:39

3:06:30Robert, um, Is your recommendation that we now take public testimony, or is your— what is your recommendation?

Keith Wilson 3:06:40 - 3:06:47

3:06:40I would recommend that you, uh, take testimony on the resolution or vote to suspend that rule by 9 votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:06:51 - 3:06:53

3:06:51Councilor Smith, did you have a comment?

Loretta Smith 3:06:53 - 3:07:16

3:06:53Yeah, I, I, I, I agree with Attorney Robert Taylor.

3:06:57We We cannot, you all, follow the rules when it's— when we don't like something.

3:07:05We have to, to be a part of the rule of law.

3:07:09And if it's a statutory rule that we have to take testimony tonight, then we have to take the testimony.

Candace Avalos 3:07:19 - 3:07:19

3:07:19So—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:07:19 - 3:07:48

3:07:19Councilor, I don't disagree, and my apologies to all of you.

3:07:24I was led to believe that on this resolution we did not need to do that.

3:07:30So we can recess for 5 minutes to provide an opportunity for people to sign up to testify, or we can take a vote to suspend the rules and move forward without public testimony.

Angelita Morillo 3:07:48 - 3:07:49

3:07:48Can I ask a question?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:07:52 - 3:07:53

3:07:52Councilor Morillo.

Angelita Morillo 3:07:55 - 3:08:27

3:07:55Are we allowed to engage with the audience?

3:07:57Because, no, sorry, I just, I genuinely have a question because I'm getting the vibe some people want to testify.

3:08:04Some people here in the audience, I've already seen you 5 times and maybe you've already said your piece and you just want us to vote tonight and get it done.

3:08:12And you would like to see that happen and not have to leave to go to bed.

3:08:15So the general vibe that I am getting is that people want us to move into the discussion and get it done.

3:08:23Does— give me a thumbs down, like a hard thumbs down, if you're really against that and you want to testify.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:08:27 - 3:08:34

3:08:27I'm just worried you'll do it again in the future.

3:08:29As long as you say just this time because we didn't understand the rules.

3:08:33That's behind the point.

Unidentified speaker 3:08:34 - 3:08:38

3:08:34Yes, we're figuring things out, but next time we're going to follow the process.

Angelita Morillo 3:08:38 - 3:08:45

3:08:38Okay, and just to say the statement that someone Someone else said, sorry, this is very unusual and I won't do this again, I promise, Council President.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:08:45 - 3:08:47

3:08:45This whole situation is quite unusual.

Angelita Morillo 3:08:47 - 3:09:06

3:08:47It's very unusual.

3:08:48The person on the balcony said that they're concerned that this will become a pattern of suspending testimony and we don't want to set that precedent.

3:08:56And I appreciate that.

3:08:57So I just wanted to see what the general audience here was feeling, but I completely agree with that, that that would not be a good practice overall.

3:09:04And I will stop talking now.

Keith Wilson 3:09:11 - 3:09:57

3:09:11I would like to move that we accept public testimony, but that— because I think, Councilor Morillo, I think you've read the room very well, right?

3:09:19That a lot of folks are interested in action tonight.

3:09:22But because we don't govern by, by hands up in an audience, I think it is 9:05.

3:09:30I think if we limit ourselves to no public Public testimony up to 9:30, and if we have a large amount of interest, I think we cross that bridge at that moment.

3:09:39But if we only have one person in this room, I think it'd be great to open that opportunity up.

3:09:43But I agree with Councilor Smith that this is a slippery slope if we do it now.

3:09:47So I would say, I would propose, and I hope my fellow councilors will support, a time-certain end to that public testimony, at least for tonight.

3:09:54And if we think we need to go into another meeting for action, we do that.

Unidentified speaker 3:09:57 - 3:09:58

3:09:57Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:09:59 - 3:10:46

3:09:59I am happy to add that to a recommendation that I was going to make, which is that we open this up for public testimony.

3:10:05And if the folks in the room are in the place that Councilor Murillo has read, then perhaps no one will sign up to testify.

3:10:13And if folks do want to take the opportunity to sign up to testify, perhaps we can put a time-certain end to it to make sure that we can get on to the other parts of the conversation and get you all home as soon as possible.

3:10:31Um, so I think what we are going to do— Keelan, are you— how quickly do you think that you can have folks, if they are interested in testifying, line up, give you their names, and then move into testimony?

3:10:46What do you need for that?

Keelan McClymont 3:10:47 - 3:10:48

3:10:47I mean, I'm, I'm ready.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:10:48 - 3:10:57

3:10:48I can take names.

3:10:50Is there any objection to taking— it is 9:06 4-minute recess.

3:10:55Let's all stay in the room so that—.

Jamie Dunphy 3:10:57 - 3:11:03

3:10:57Madam President, could I actually, while folks are signing up, have a conversation about an amendment?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:11:04 - 3:11:06

3:11:04Can we do 2 things simultaneously, Keelan?

Candace Avalos 3:11:08 - 3:11:14

3:11:08I mean, yes, but also I'm next in the queue.

3:11:10I'd like to go.

3:11:12Sorry, not to be that girl, but I would like to go.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:11:14 - 3:11:48

3:11:14We're not going to jump ahead.

3:11:16We're not going to jump ahead.

3:11:18You are next in the queue.

3:11:19Can we continue council conversation while you have people sign up to testify?

3:11:24Yes.

3:11:26Okay, so we are going to open up public testimony.

3:11:33If you are in the room and would like to testify, please walk over to our clerk who will sign you up.

3:11:38If you are online and would like to testify, Keelan, is there a way for folks who are online to send a message to you?

3:11:45I know we're set up differently.

Keelan McClymont 3:11:50 - 3:11:52

3:11:50I'm not seeing anyone online at this time.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:11:52 - 3:12:01

3:11:52Okay.

3:11:53If there is anybody who is online who wants to testify, please send a message to our clerk.

3:11:59And Councilor Avalos, you are next in the queue.

Candace Avalos 3:12:04 - 3:13:34

3:12:04Thank you.

3:12:06Well, what I was going to bring up when I first raised my hand was actually what Councilor Kanal Thank you, Mayor.

3:12:11Councilor Sameer Kanal.

3:12:12Thank you, Mayor.

3:12:12I appreciate the comments that have been raised, but I really do want to put a finer point on this because for me, I was going to raise this because I think as we were— as I was hearing the logic of the committees being the place to have discussion, I just really need to strongly reject that personally.

3:12:28I think that the entire point of having a full council and having access to the public, this is the most accessible place the public can reach us.

3:12:37Yes.

3:12:37Committees at noon and on a Tuesday is not, especially because there's only 5 of us.

3:12:43And, uh, you know, the report I thought was great.

3:12:45You know, I think that's a good practice in general for, um, us to have some kind of report.

3:12:50Um, but I really am strongly against that, and I want to put that on the record because this is a perfect example of why I'm against that.

3:12:57I wasn't in that committee.

3:12:58I didn't hear those testimonies.

3:13:00And before I make my vote, I want to hear the public testimony.

3:13:03I'm making my vote by doing my research ahead of time and taking in what I'm hearing from the public at the moment.

3:13:09So this is a really critical process that we need to maintain.

3:13:14So I just want to name that and make sure that as we continue to discuss the governance process, that we are not losing that intent.

3:13:21The committee absolutely is the place where we should be workshopping the, the bills and take, you know, invited testimony, public testimony, have experts, all of that, and yet that is still not enough to not have it here as well.

3:13:33So I just want to name that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:13:34 - 3:13:49

3:13:34Thank you.

3:13:39Councilor Dunphy.

3:13:40Actually, Councilor Dunphy, before you go, it looks like we don't have a line anymore.

3:13:45Keelan, did you get any signups for online or in-person testimony?

Keelan McClymont 3:13:50 - 3:13:52

3:13:50We have 2 people signed up in person.

Olivia Clark 3:13:53 - 3:13:53

3:13:53Hey.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:13:54 - 3:14:08

3:13:54Councilor Dunphy, do you mind if we pause here and move to public testimony, which we generally take before councilor discussion?

3:14:04Okay, go ahead and call up, uh, the folks who are signed up to testify.

Keelan McClymont 3:14:08 - 3:14:10

3:14:08First up, we have Michaela McCormick.

Eric Zimmerman 3:14:17 - 3:14:17

3:14:17Evening.

Michaela McCormick 3:14:20 - 3:15:42

3:14:20Thank you for your thoughtful consideration about public testimony.

3:14:25My name is Michaela McCormick.

3:14:28The 2022 process that led to granting the LUCS to Zenith was flawed and illegal.

3:14:35It included illegal lobbying by Zenith, parts of which were false or meaningless concessions that allowed them to continue pursuing a catastrophic climate strategy.

3:14:48Deputy City Administrator Donnie Oliveira said that the conditions in the 2022 LUCS were, quote, based on conversations we'd been having with advocates at the time, unquote.

3:15:01To the extent he meant the environmental and community groups who have been blowing the whistle on the backroom deal, this is a complete fabrication.

3:15:11Not only were advocates specifically not consulted during this process, it happened while the city was being sued by Zenith over the 2021 LUCS, where Columbia Riverkeeper was involved in the litigation to defend the city.

3:15:30Instead, the city created a separate secretive process to pursue its own agenda.

3:15:35DCA Oliveira and other staff also did not explain what made them decide to reverse their decision in the 2021 LUCS.

Dan Ryan 3:15:42 - 3:15:43

3:15:42Thank you.

Michaela McCormick 3:15:43 - 3:16:08

3:15:43In 2022, in spite of Zenith's continued violation of the comprehensive plan and zoning.

3:15:53In its presentation to the city, staff omitted key information, including that Zenith has to acquire a new LUX because it was caught doing illegal modification and use of piping and did not have adequate permission to operate.

Loretta Smith 3:16:08 - 3:16:08

3:16:08Thank you.

Michaela McCormick 3:16:10 - 3:16:33

3:16:10Staff skewed its presentation to avoid mention of any of Xena's past violations, including failure to report its 2022 lobbying and ongoing investigations.

3:16:22Staff declined to answer questions about the construction and modification that was the subject of DEQ's November 2024 investigation.

Loretta Smith 3:16:33 - 3:16:33

3:16:33Thank you.

Michaela McCormick 3:16:34 - 3:16:53

3:16:34The only path forward to correct for this bias and non-credibility is to allow the public and experts to provide evidence into the record.

3:16:45Accordingly, the investigation proposed by Councilors Green and Murillo needs to be pursued.

3:16:52Thanks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:16:54 - 3:16:55

3:16:54Thank you.

Keelan McClymont 3:16:56 - 3:16:59

3:16:56Next up, next up we have Kresha Velacruz.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:17:01 - 3:17:09

3:17:01Thank you for being here.

3:17:08Good evening, Council.

Keelan McClymont 3:17:09 - 3:17:40

3:17:09Thank you for your consideration as well to include public testimony.

3:17:13My name is Krisha Velacruz.

3:17:15I am a District 2 resident and work as a climate justice organizer with Oil and Gas Action Network.

3:17:23I have never given public testimony around Zenith before as I'm new to the Thank you.

3:17:27I'm a resident of the area, and from what I'm learning, they're not good.

3:17:31I'm freshly new, and I do add my voice to the chorus of folks to ask that you pass this resolution.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:17:41 - 3:17:50

3:17:41I'm worried that if it's not passed, it'll set a precedent for other corporations to come in and parachute in and continue operating sneakily without due consequence.

Keelan McClymont 3:17:51 - 3:17:59

3:17:51And we urge for accountability and transparency from the corporations Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:18:03 - 3:18:04

3:18:03Is there any other public testimony?

Keelan McClymont 3:18:08 - 3:18:10

3:18:08No, that completes testimony.

Candace Avalos 3:18:10 - 3:18:11

3:18:10Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:18:11 - 3:18:12

3:18:11Councilor Dunphy.

Jamie Dunphy 3:18:13 - 3:19:33

3:18:13Thank you, Madam President.

3:18:15First, I want to apologize for interrupting Councilor Avalos.

3:18:17Oh, you're fine.

3:18:17Um, I have a big mouth and I need to stop.

3:18:21Um, I would like to propose an amendment And I'll share the language with the council clerk in a moment.

3:18:26This is specific to the 4th, where, be it further resolved.

3:18:31I would like to propose that we add a single— it's like 6 words— and then also subtract a couple of words.

3:18:40I would like this to now read, be it further resolved under City Charter Section 2-402, Investigation of and Suits to Cancel Franchises, I would amend adding the language and pursuant to the authority in PCC 7.12.030.

3:19:01This council demands that the mayor investigate, and I would move that we strike the words with independent review to ensure impartiality.

3:19:09The reason for this is specifically that we have an enormous city government.

3:19:13We have people in this government whose job it is to do exactly this.

3:19:17The city is in a budget crunch, and adding an additional cost to hire an external person at this moment does not feel like the most— the highest and best use of city— of limited public dollars.

3:19:28So with the council's approval, I'd like to move that we remove that part.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:19:34 - 3:19:52

3:19:34Second.

3:19:39And councilors, I believe the reference you made there, Councilor Dunphy, is to the place in code that directs the mayor to, um, investigate franchises when taking office, when a new mayor comes into office.

3:19:52Is that correct?

Jamie Dunphy 3:19:53 - 3:19:53

3:19:53I believe so, yes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:19:53 - 3:19:58

3:19:53Okay, thank you.

3:19:54I just want to clarify that for folks who aren't looking at it directly.

Jamie Dunphy 3:19:58 - 3:20:00

3:19:58Thank you.

3:19:59Keelan, do you want a copy of this?

Keelan McClymont 3:20:01 - 3:20:02

3:20:01Um, yes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:20:04 - 3:20:13

3:20:04Councilors, is there any discussion about this amendment?

3:20:09Councilor Smith, are you in the queue on this amendment, or Yeah, I do have a question.

Loretta Smith 3:20:13 - 3:20:29

3:20:13My question is for the attorney that was up here, not Robert, but what was her name?

3:20:25It was not— well, it wasn't you, Robert.

3:20:27I was talking about the council.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:20:29 - 3:20:32

3:20:29Oh, for Claire, our Council Operations Policy Analyst.

Loretta Smith 3:20:33 - 3:20:35

3:20:33Oh, so she's— she wasn't in the— in the— in the—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:20:35 - 3:20:37

3:20:35She's in our Council Operations staff.

3:20:36She is the policy analyst.

Loretta Smith 3:20:37 - 3:20:38

3:20:37Well, then I do want you, Robert.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:20:42 - 3:20:45

3:20:42Claire may actually be an attorney.

3:20:43I'm not sure.

3:20:45Okay.

Loretta Smith 3:20:45 - 3:21:03

3:20:45Okay, so I have a question since we're getting down to statutory.

3:20:52Since we have already approved a permit for Zenith, do we have the ability right now to vote on something that will take that away?

Keith Wilson 3:21:06 - 3:21:24

3:21:06Uh, the, the council does not have the ability to revoke that approval.

3:21:14What this— this resolution does not revoke that approval.

3:21:17This resolution is directed at other requests that the council has of the executive branch.

Loretta Smith 3:21:25 - 3:21:33

3:21:25But I thought it said in there that anything else that they have been approved for, that it's on hold.

3:21:30So what— so is that the permit or what?

Keith Wilson 3:21:34 - 3:21:59

3:21:34The, the final, uh, be it resolved says the council demands that the mayor to pause any administrative actions to the extent allowed by law related to Zenith pending the results of the investigation pursuant to this resolution.

3:21:50So it's expressing the council's request, demand, desire that the mayor Um, pause any further actions in the future.

Loretta Smith 3:22:00 - 3:22:44

3:22:00Okay, not actions that were given with the, with the permitting of that they, they— excuse me— that they asked for previously.

3:22:10Because I just want to be clear, because we've had a couple of, uh, public meetings, and, you know, today is about the franchise agreement, which we are responsible for.

3:22:20Yesterday was about the permit— when people came in, they didn't want the permit approved.

3:22:25And I asked the same question: do we have the ability, if the mayor and the, and, and the city administrator approves that, do we have as this body the ability to, um, say no, they can't have it?

3:22:38And I was told no.

3:22:40So I'm asking the question again because I don't want people to be confused.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:22:44 - 3:22:50

3:22:44I think this is an important point of discussion, and we have other councilors who can also respond to it, but we have an amendment on the table.

Loretta Smith 3:22:51 - 3:22:52

3:22:51Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:22:52 - 3:22:56

3:22:52That has been first and seconded, and we need to keep discussion to the amendment right now.

Loretta Smith 3:22:56 - 3:22:56

3:22:56Okay.

3:22:56Okay.

Unidentified speaker 3:22:57 - 3:22:57

3:22:57Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:22:57 - 3:22:57

3:22:57I apologize.

Loretta Smith 3:22:57 - 3:23:00

3:22:57No, no, no, no, no.

3:22:58Thank you.

3:22:58But that's what I wanted to talk about.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:23:02 - 3:23:08

3:23:02Councilor Novick, are you in queue for the amendment or for the— okay.

3:23:06Councilor Murillo, are you in queue for the amendment?

Angelita Morillo 3:23:08 - 3:23:08

3:23:08No, sorry.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:23:08 - 3:23:10

3:23:08Councilor Green, are you in queue for the amendment?

Mitch Green 3:23:12 - 3:24:10

3:23:12Thank you, Madam President.

3:23:13I am in queue for the amendment.

3:23:15Councilor Dunphy, I appreciate the intent here.

3:23:21We are in a budget crisis, and the amendment does reinforce pointing to the section of the code which is derived from the charter and all that, that again, as I said in my motivation, the mayor has both the authority and the duty to investigate franchise agreements.

3:23:38Thank you.

3:23:40Every mayor, in fact, has the authority and a duty to investigate franchise amendments upon taking office.

3:23:44That's what the charter says.

3:23:46And so if, if that's what it's going to take to pass this resolution, um, I will just say this, uh, we're going to be watching.

3:23:56You know, I think the part that I put in there on the impartiality was to assuage concerns over a lack of transparency and public trust.

3:24:04But again, the charter grants those powers and that duty.

3:24:08We have a new form of government.

3:24:09We have a very engaged public.

Loretta Smith 3:24:10 - 3:24:10

3:24:10Thank you.

Mitch Green 3:24:11 - 3:24:23

3:24:11We can come back again and try again if we feel like that wasn't impartial.

3:24:15So I, I'm, I'm open to, I'm open to this amendment.

3:24:18I, I don't think it's deleterious to the main intent of the, of the original resolution.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:24:25 - 3:24:32

3:24:25Is there any additional discussion on the amendment?

3:24:30Seeing none, Keelan, could you call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 3:24:34 - 3:24:34

3:24:34Avalos?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 3:24:34 - 3:24:34

3:24:34Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:24:35 - 3:24:36

3:24:35Dunphy?

Steve Novick 3:24:36 - 3:24:36

3:24:36Aye.

Unidentified speaker 3:24:41 - 3:24:41

3:24:41Aye.

Angelita Morillo 3:24:41 - 3:24:49

3:24:41We'll be watching to make sure that the intention of the resolution is followed through on.

3:24:48I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:24:49 - 3:24:50

3:24:49Novick?

Steve Novick 3:24:50 - 3:24:50

3:24:50Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:24:51 - 3:24:52

3:24:51Clark?

Eric Zimmerman 3:24:52 - 3:24:52

3:24:52Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:24:53 - 3:24:53

3:24:53Green?

Mitch Green 3:24:54 - 3:24:54

3:24:54Aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:24:55 - 3:24:55

3:24:55Zimmerman?

Loretta Smith 3:24:55 - 3:24:56

3:24:55Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:24:58 - 3:25:21

3:24:58I both appreciate Councilor Dunphy's eye to our budget situation and Councilor Greens, note that we will be watching to make sure this is impartial.

3:25:07I believe this language actually allows the mayor to either do an internal or hire an external investigator to do this investigation, and Mr. Mayor would look to you to make sure that it's done impartially in whatever form you choose.

3:25:21I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 3:25:23 - 3:25:24

3:25:23The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:25:26 - 3:25:40

3:25:26Thank you, councilors.

3:25:27Back to the original Uh, the underlying resolution.

3:25:33And before we move on to other, um, councilors, Councilor Smith, would you like to continue the line of questioning that you were on?

Loretta Smith 3:25:40 - 3:26:07

3:25:40Thank you, thank you, um, thank you for keeping me within the lines.

3:25:44So I want to go back, Attorney Robert Taylor, um, if this is approved today with the amendment, will that stop us from giving the permit No, it will not.

3:26:00Okay, I just wanted folks to be clear of what we're doing here, so thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:26:10 - 3:26:14

3:26:10Councilor Morillo— I apologize, Councilor Novick.

Steve Novick 3:26:16 - 3:27:51

3:26:16I just wanted to say I really appreciated Councilor Dunphy's comments about public employees, which relate closely to how I'm planning to vote.

3:26:23I would enthusiastically vote for a resolution that simply said— I'll want to get the language right— that the council ask the mayor to investigate potential violations of Zenith's franchise agreement.

3:26:40My problem is largely with the whereas clauses in this resolution.

3:26:44I feel like I can't vote for this resolution with these whereas clauses without effectively saying that I think city employees are, uh, knaves and liars.

3:26:55And I, having looked at some of the allegations against them, I think in most cases it's shaggy dog stories rather than malfeasance.

3:27:03Like, that city employee said that conditions on Zenith were based on conversations with advocates.

3:27:11Well, the advocates say that it wasn't the right conversations with the right advocates at the right and I think there's another— other examples where I think I can understand the feelings of the advocates, but I don't really feel that there's evidence that the city employees were deliberately lying.

3:27:28And also, the document repeatedly calls for investigations where I think that conversations are called for.

3:27:35So again, I think this is going to pass without my vote.

3:27:38If it did not, I would definitely support something simply to investigate violations of the franchise agreement.

3:27:44So I just wanted to explain to Margaret Butler, who I hate to disappoint, what my reasoning is.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:27:52 - 3:27:53

3:27:52Thank you.

Angelita Morillo 3:27:57 - 3:30:16

3:27:57Thank you.

3:27:57And thank you everyone for— this is kind of a tense and difficult discussion to have.

3:28:03And I feel like I have kind of a direct response to what Councilor Novick has laid out.

3:28:09This is a very serious franchise agreement that is going to impact people for generations to come.

3:28:20We are the oversight body.

3:28:24This is not anything that we are looking into with regards to city employees.

3:28:30Our people who are making over $200,000 a year to $300,000 a year, we are not looking at that.

3:28:35Councilor So while they may not be elected officials, they are critically important, and it is very important that we ensure that they are engaging ethically and that they are, as someone said, if it's not malice and it's just incompetence, that they are not being incompetent.

3:29:00So regardless of the matter, I think it's incredibly important that we ensure that we are engaging ethically.

3:29:04Thank you.

3:29:04That this does be looked into because we can close it either way.

3:29:09If it turns out that nothing had happened, then wonderful, we can all put an end to this story and we'll have our questions answered and it'll be done for.

3:29:19And if it does turn out that something untoward was happening, then we will have our answers as elected officials and we can make informed decisions moving forward.

3:29:30And I think that Councilor Smith.

3:29:31Again, I want to point out that under this form of government, certain employees have a lot of power and influence.

3:29:38They are the gatekeepers of information.

3:29:40They can make sure elected officials can receive or not receive pieces of information before we make a vote on certain policies.

3:29:47And so we need to have the utmost trust in them and be able to know with everything that we have in our hearts, in our minds, That this person is here and is accountable to the public and to us.

3:30:00And that is part of why we included that in the resolution.

3:30:05These are, these are very highly regarded employees who have a lot of responsibility.

3:30:10And as I've said before, with great responsibility comes accountability, and we have to look into it.

3:30:15So thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:30:19 - 3:30:20

3:30:19Councilor Dan Ryan.

Keith Wilson 3:30:23 - 3:30:44

3:30:23Thanks.

3:30:24I'm a little bit— I'm going to throw this question out because I'm not really sure out of all the sponsors and staff and employees.

3:30:30So you just tell me who wants to answer it.

3:30:32I'm a little bit confused if this is a double investigation, one encouraged that the auditor conduct and one conducted by the city administration/mayor.

3:30:43What is the intent here?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:30:44 - 3:30:46

3:30:44Councilor Green, would you like to respond to that?

Mitch Green 3:30:47 - 3:32:15

3:30:47Yeah, I have a direct response and I think it actually Thank you.

3:30:49It's also a response to Councilor Smith, who raised good questions.

3:30:52So the way that I envisioned this was— is to separate a couple different types of oversight powers that the city has.

3:31:04In my reading of the charter, um, and, you know, thanks to the city attorney for helping me kind of, you know, bring this together, um, the mayor is obligated to I think the resolution is asking us to investigate solely the franchise agreement, which is a very specific question.

3:31:19And I started with the franchise agreement because it's not associated with a permit.

3:31:24It's not associated with a land use compatibility statement, which we've heard a lot about.

3:31:29And I have open questions, and that's where the rest of the resolution tries to settle.

3:31:34But really, the power and authority that we can express on correcting the behavior with the company, I think I think is best through the franchise agreement, and it's the mayor who has this power.

3:31:45And so we're sort of demanding— I think I originally tried to direct the mayor, and city attorney says you can't actually do that.

3:31:51So this has been a conversation.

3:31:54But the other parts of it still have to address these lingering points of conflicts of the matter of the facts, right?

3:32:06Yeah.

3:32:07And that, um, that I've asked and urged the auditor to, to help us do, um, in an impartial way.

Keith Wilson 3:32:15 - 3:33:34

3:32:15I think I'm seeing that more clearly.

3:32:16I appreciate that.

3:32:21Um, going on to the word demand, similarly, you've probably seen my notes.

3:32:26I've crossed all of them out.

3:32:27Um, so I, I, I guess I, you know, I look at my history and what I would expect an I'm a member of city councils, and I don't demand anything of Mike Jordan.

3:32:42I might request of him, and I might, I might direct him, but demand puts me in a subservient position to the city administrator, and I'm not.

3:32:52And so that word matters to me.

3:32:53I will not demand that the city administrator do anything.

3:32:57Words matter.

3:32:58I might not use demand with the mayor just out of politeness.

3:33:01I'm not going to demand anything of you.

3:33:02But I certainly would urge, request, encourage, et cetera.

3:33:07And so I am just offering that up as I think we've chosen some words here that are setting this right off the bat in a way that is a little troubling for me.

3:33:19But if demand was used instead of directed, I want to offer that as a chance to say If there's a response, or if it was just the word that was getting used a lot in the document.

3:33:33I want to be thoughtful here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:33:37 - 3:33:38

3:33:37Councilor Green, go right ahead on this one.

Mitch Green 3:33:39 - 3:34:20

3:33:39Thank you.

3:33:39It's an important question.

3:33:40I actually was uncomfortable with demand because I— my feeling here is that we are an independent body with oversight powers.

3:33:50And so I was wanting to direct X, Y, and Z. I wanted to direct the city administrator.

3:33:54I even wanted to direct the auditor, which which I can't do either.

3:33:57Um, and so the city attorney said these are some different verbs that you can choose from that would be consistent with the powers that the council has.

3:34:05Extort was one of them.

3:34:06Quest was one of them.

3:34:10Quest was one of them.

3:34:11And demand, I felt, fit with the urgency and the spirit of, of that kind of oversight relationship that I— that we were trying to bring forward in this resolution.

Keith Wilson 3:34:22 - 3:34:44

3:34:22Thank you.

3:34:23I'm going to keep going.

3:34:24I'm sorry.

3:34:24I've got a few and they're very helpful.

3:34:26I want to find a way here.

3:34:28Mr. Attorney, almost every city council in the state of Oregon has the ability to direct their city manager and city attorney and city administrator.

3:34:40Do we have the ability to direct that person in this form of government?

Steve Novick 3:34:45 - 3:34:45

3:34:45No.

Keith Wilson 3:34:48 - 3:35:12

3:34:48That's helpful.

3:34:49Regarding some of the attachments, I am curious who created attachments H and E. They both seem unsigned, anonymous documents, and one I think looks like a letter, and one calls itself the fact-checking sheet but then mostly talks in feelings and things that look like opinions.

3:35:08And I'm just curious where these came from, given that they're part of an official document that might lead to an investigation.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:35:12 - 3:35:21

3:35:12Councilor Councilor Green, would you like to speak to the attachments on your resolution?

Mitch Green 3:35:22 - 3:36:24

3:35:22Certainly.

3:35:22So Attachment H, I received from a representative at 350 PDX by email following the work session.

3:35:33And the intention of this was to— I cited it in the whereas clause, and I think I did say I received by 350 PDX in the whereas clause.

3:35:41And the intention here is to put it in the record so not just I have the information, right?

3:35:45So we can deliberate on this, this fact sheet.

3:35:48And then Attachment E, let me pull that up here.

3:35:52This was a letter that was drafted to, um, uh, the mayor and city councilors, um, I think in December, if I'm not mistaken, um, that, uh, that came from Columbia Riverkeeper.

3:36:06Thank you.

3:36:07And it was written by Kate Murphy.

3:36:10That was just sort of a— the intention here was to say this is what these advocates are saying.

3:36:15Let's bring it into the public record.

3:36:17We can take it for what it's worth.

3:36:20We can investigate it.

3:36:21We can do our due diligence on it.

3:36:23But now it's in the public record.

Unidentified speaker 3:36:25 - 3:36:25

3:36:25Great.

Keith Wilson 3:36:25 - 3:39:06

3:36:25That's really helpful.

3:36:28I agree with Councilor Maria that this is a serious action.

3:36:32This is a serious and so, so given that, I, I think that we are starting off this, this investigation, or these 2 investigations, off on somewhat of an unserious path by, I think, flooding the record with, um, not necessarily factual documents that came out in, in, in, in the public domain, but rather documents that were records releases or something along those lines.

3:37:01So I'm a little bit troubled by that part of it because if we truly are looking for a resolution to a question, which is I think the point of an investigation, I hope we can— I actually think Councilor Novick's suggestion offhand there makes more sense in, in how we're approaching this because this document right now reads to me like a witch hunt against some city employees that I find deeply deeply inappropriate.

3:37:28I do think that there are a lot of questions about the franchise agreement and whether or not it, it should continue.

3:37:35I do think that there are a lot of questions about how the permit came about, and I think Councilor Smith's going to go into more of those questions.

3:37:41But this document from this dais, as it reads now, is, is hard for me to support I am near proposing an amendment to remove several of the attachments to clean this up and not create such a targeted document at a few employees that seem to have gotten the ire of members of our community in this dais, because I don't think that this dais takes the ire for over employees.

3:38:13Our job is to voice our deep concern with.

3:38:16One of 2 people, I think, only, and it's the mayor or the city administrator, because that's where our relationship from an official standpoint, I think, is supposed to end.

3:38:24And so this is problematic for me that we are— I think in this document, by putting these names in the way that they have been proposed, are putting at least a couple of key employees in the crosshairs for something that I think an investigation should uncover but should not be presupposed.

3:38:40And, and so I'm not I'm not against the intent here, but the flavor and style is where I'm not sure I can support this tonight.

3:38:49And I truly mean I'm not sure.

3:38:51I'm curious to see where the rest of this discussion goes.

3:38:53So like I said, I may make an amendment to remove a few of the attachments to keep this a little cleaner.

3:39:01If that seems favorable, I'd like to hear from folks.

3:39:04And I'll stop there.

Unidentified speaker 3:39:06 - 3:39:06

3:39:06Thanks.

Steve Novick 3:39:06 - 3:39:16

3:39:06Councilor Madam President, I see that you're in the queue yourself.

3:39:14Since I've already spoken, I would defer to you to speak first.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:39:17 - 3:40:51

3:39:17Thank you.

3:39:21This is a deeply important issue, not only because of the concerns around safety that have been raised around Zenith operations more broadly, But because when our community members lose faith in the work of our city, we lose so much.

3:39:44We lose so much of our ability to work with community to make things better for everybody who lives in Portland.

3:39:51And doing the work of looking into what has happened in the past so that we can all move forward together And really return our focus to where I would like to be able to spend my energy, which is making sure that Portland is the fantastic place I want to live in, which is something that I know the 12 of us can partner on, but that we can also partner on with everybody who's in City Hall tonight.

3:40:16Um, that is so important to me, and that's what we get to when we put to rest what has happened in the past and when we come to a common understanding of it.

3:40:24Thank you.

3:40:26I share the concern of some of my colleagues with the whereas clauses.

3:40:32I want to make sure that Portland is a place where our employees feel like, uh, we have their back, like the work that they do is valued.

3:40:42Now, when somebody does something in their work that loses the faith of the public, that's important, and we need to investigate that.

Angelita Morillo 3:40:51 - 3:40:51

3:40:51Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:40:52 - 3:42:30

3:40:52But I think the word presuppose was also important.

3:40:55I had somebody suggest to me that it doesn't matter because whereas clauses aren't entered into the official record like therefore clauses are, but our words do matter.

3:41:07And so I just want to take this opportunity to say that while I am inclined to support this measure because I do believe that coming to a common Understanding of the facts of what has happened is desperately important.

3:41:23I do it with some reservations because I want to make sure that our staff know that this will be a fair investigation and that there aren't presuppositions about intent.

3:41:38And I just want to state that for the record because I think it's important.

3:41:41While this may specifically refer to actions of high-level staff within the city, there are ripple effects.

3:41:48And I want all of our staff at the city, down to our frontline workers, up to our managers, to know that we value the work that they do.

3:41:59And that while accountability is incredibly important and is why I will be supporting this measure, we go into that accountability work Fairly, without bias, without preconceived ideas.

3:42:16And I just think it's important to make sure that our staff have the faith in us as a council that will do that, just like we need the public, all of you, to have faith in the work of the city.

3:42:28Councilor Novick, thank you for deferring.

Steve Novick 3:42:32 - 3:44:35

3:42:32I just want to return to something I said about conversations rather than investigations.

3:42:38I am partly in response to what Councilor Morillo said.

3:42:41Yes, with great power comes great responsibility, and I think that high-level public servants or any public servant should be prepared to answer tough questions.

3:42:50But I think when you call for investigating someone, that's basically an indictment and an accusation.

3:42:58You could sit down with Donnie Oliveira and ask him questions about the concerns people had about things that he said.

3:43:05And if what he says doesn't satisfy you, then you can say, you know, I don't think he's given satisfactory answers to these questions.

3:43:11But that's different from an investigation.

3:43:13And I'm not quite sure what an investigation even means in this context.

3:43:18So again, I— And the other thing I just want to say is that the city originally denied the Lux.

3:43:27So I think that So that sort of refutes the idea that the city was always in the bag for Zenith.

3:43:32And also, I have to say that my understanding is it was Donnie Oliveira who had the idea of taking the conditions that Zenith agreed to, which people were concerned wouldn't be enforceable, and putting them in the franchise agreement so they would be enforceable.

3:43:48So that's another thing that makes me not think that he's in the bag for Zenith.

3:43:54So Anyway, I just wanted to get— I mean, again, I support an investigation into the franchise agreement.

3:44:02I'm concerned about the whereas clauses and the impact on city employees.

3:44:07And of course, I mean, I know people, former and present federal employees, who are probably about to be investigated by Donald Trump.

3:44:16And I think that, as Councilor Dunphy said, There are, you know, we do need to make city employees feel like they're not being— that they're being treated with respect.

3:44:30And I know that there's a lot of people in the audience who think we should have Donnie Oliveira as head of the Pike.

3:44:34I disrespectfully disagree.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:44:37 - 3:44:59

3:44:37I'm going to ask that folks keep your reactions silent.

3:44:41Me too's, thumbs up, thumbs down, jazz hands.

3:44:44But let's try to allow business to move forward.

3:44:55Thank you, Madam President.

Loretta Smith 3:44:59 - 3:44:59

3:44:59I—.

Olivia Clark 3:45:00 - 3:45:56

3:45:00This has been an excellent line of questioning and excellent comments because I felt very uncomfortable with this resolution, and my discomfort really revolves around what I would call a trust deficit.

3:45:14And I think to your comments, Madam President, it's really important that we restore trust somehow here in this process.

3:45:23But the impugning of employees is very difficult for me.

3:45:28And per your comments, I really would like to see us become more future-focused about the whole Zenith issue.

3:45:34And I can say more about that later.

3:45:36But I would like to ask both Councilor Novick and Councilor Zimmerman, are you willing to make amendments to this?

3:45:45Because your line of questioning has been very helpful to me in elucidating the whys behind what Councilor Green and Councilor Murillo have drafted here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:45:59 - 3:46:14

3:45:59We just had a question to councilors.

3:46:01We do have other councilors in the queue in order to move to those comments.

3:46:05I am willing.

3:46:13That's hard to ask.

Keith Wilson 3:46:14 - 3:46:19

3:46:14I'm willing, and I put my name in the queue toward the end of these comments if they look feasible.

Eric Zimmerman 3:46:19 - 3:46:19

3:46:19Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:46:19 - 3:46:26

3:46:19Councilor Murillo, I know you gave initial remarks, but I don't believe you've had a chance to speak to the resolution since then, have you?

Angelita Morillo 3:46:28 - 3:47:25

3:46:28Yeah, I think, um, I like how you use colorful language, Councilor Novick, and I do that too.

3:46:35I don't think anyone here, including us, want anyone's head on a pike.

3:46:42And I say that because the point of an investigation is that you look into the issue and then you settle the matter.

3:46:49I— there is a difference between discomfort and something actually harming someone, and this is an uncomfortable situation for us on council as decision makers.

3:47:00It's an uncomfortable situation for the community who's had these questions for years.

3:47:05That doesn't mean that because it's uncomfortable, we shy away from that.

3:47:09And while I appreciate that you should always have a conversation with someone first to get to the bottom of things, if you've had these conversations or if journalists have asked questions and they haven't found consistent answers, then what do you do after that?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:47:25 - 3:47:25

3:47:25Councilor Smith.

Angelita Morillo 3:47:25 - 3:49:26

3:47:25Thank you, Mayor.

3:47:26I think we're at that point, right?

3:47:28Because if a simple conversation cannot resolve the matter, then it has to go up to the next level.

3:47:33And I think that's the point where we have found ourselves at.

3:47:36And this is not— when we're talking about being future-focused, we're also talking about the future of the city engaging in these sorts of agreements with corporations and how we are going to do that with integrity and transparency so that this type of confusion doesn't happen again in the future.

3:47:55And again, I'm going to say this one more time.

3:47:58If someone is making $200,000 to $300,000 a year, they should neither be incompetent nor inconsistent in the truths that they're sharing with the council.

3:48:08Those are both issues that need to be resolved if they are coming forward.

3:48:12So I think that we should move forward with the investigation as it's been laid out in And if we are wrong, I will personally apologize to everyone involved.

3:48:24I'm happy to be wrong.

3:48:25I would be happy to be wrong about this.

3:48:28And I think most of us are just waiting to get answers.

3:48:31So the investigation will settle the matter.

3:48:35I think if we don't have some of the deeper investigative actions about how the city has engaged on this, then the community is never going to stop showing up.

3:48:45And this is going to be a matter that is just not going to be resolved.

3:48:49So I would like for these people to get to go home at some point and not have to bother us about this and maybe bother us about something else.

3:48:56I'm sure they would like to do that too.

3:48:58And I think that's only going to happen if we actually resolve the issues at hand.

3:49:02So for everyone's sake, including for the employees who we're going to be looking into this, let's clear it all up.

3:49:10Let's just get it out in the open and finish it once and for all.

3:49:12So I would really urge for people to just— Councilor Dan Ryan.

3:49:15I feel like this is very pedantic and like picking apart language as a way of slowing down process.

3:49:23And I just want to get this done.

3:49:25This has been in the works for weeks.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:49:28 - 3:49:33

3:49:28Councilor Kanal, I believe that you have not had an opportunity to speak to the underlying resolution yet.

Sameer Kanal 3:49:34 - 3:50:09

3:49:34Thank you, Madam President.

3:49:38Comparing People who are trying to create accountability and find facts and protect our climate to Donald Trump is, or Elon Musk, is confounding and absurd to me.

3:49:59And saying that there's presupposition of an answer when we're trying to start By asking a question.

3:50:07Asking a question does not presuppose an answer.

Olivia Clark 3:50:09 - 3:50:10

3:50:09Thank you.

Sameer Kanal 3:50:10 - 3:52:45

3:50:10So I just wanna just lay that out from the beginning and also say that as the only person up here who has been a city staffer, I think that there is a, outside of City Hall, which is a slightly different context, right?

3:50:27Sorry.

3:50:28There is a, It's a different message when you're sending it when you're investigating an administrative assistant 1 versus investigating a person who is in significant leadership roles.

3:50:44I understand, and I'm not— I understand some of the other questions.

3:50:47I do.

3:50:48I think there's a— we're talking about potentially setting a precedent here about entering into the record things that are coming from the outside.

3:50:55I think that's a really valid question to raise that Councilor Zimmerman Raised, you know, here about documents that are coming from advocates.

3:51:04And I think that's a worthwhile question to have.

3:51:06And everything we do here sets a precedent.

3:51:09And that's why we're slowing it down often to talk about public comment and things like that.

3:51:13I fully understand that that's frustrating, but because, as the president put it, this is the first thing, the first time we're doing it this way, it is important to get it right.

3:51:23And so I apologize that what I brought up earlier may have caused that delay.

3:51:26But It is for that reason.

3:51:28So I do understand the conversation there.

3:51:33And I'm looking through it and I guess my question is, are there amendments that don't undermine the intent that would actually get us closer to 12-0?

3:51:45Maybe not all the way there.

3:51:47If that's the case, it's worth engaging on.

3:51:49If it's the purpose of this is to either change the intent intent of the document or to get us to not vote on it tonight, then that's different.

3:51:58And I assume goodwill, so I'm not implying that anyone's coming at it with bad intent here, but that's my concern.

3:52:07The last thing I'll say is I do want to see this list of verbs at some point from the City Attorney's Office because I think urging versus demanding, there are some And I get that.

3:52:21And I'd love to do that in a way that ideally would still yield an answer tonight, personally.

3:52:28So that's where I'm at at this moment, and I'm thinking as we go.

3:52:32And I think we haven't since our very first meeting had a conversation where the document or the decision was evolving as we went.

3:52:39And so I think that's a worthwhile— or the first 2 meetings, I guess.

3:52:43It's a worthwhile thing that hasn't happened in a while but might be worth doing.

Unidentified speaker 3:52:45 - 3:52:45

3:52:45Thank you.

Loretta Smith 3:52:50 - 3:53:31

3:52:50Madam President, this is probably the most troubling agenda item that I've seen since we've been here, and I totally agree with you.

3:53:05I agree with the fact that I think that community's trust has been broken, and I agree with, uh, Councilor Zimmerman That, and Councilor Novick, that we can't be going on a, a witch hunt for this.

3:53:24So I have a question for the mayor.

3:53:30Can I ask the mayor a question?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:53:33 - 3:53:49

3:53:33Mr. Mayor, are you willing to yield a question?

3:53:40I'm hearing feedback from my fellow councilors that you can't say no when I ask it like that, but you can in fact say no.

3:53:47Go right ahead, Councilor Smith.

Loretta Smith 3:53:50 - 3:54:46

3:53:50And I'm really sorry about this, Mr. Mayor, because I really don't want to put you on the spot like this, but we've been here for a long time, and I was very much in support of people testifying because I believe that folks need to have their words heard in this setting.

3:54:10Attorney Robert Taylor has told us that even if we vote yes on this, you don't have to do it statutorily.

3:54:22So my question is, if we don't vote on this tonight, we table it, will you investigate, or will you only investigate if we compel you because you don't have to statutorily.

3:54:38So if you don't have to do it, we pass it and you say I don't want no parts of it, then what are we doing here?

Keith Wilson 3:54:47 - 3:54:49

3:54:47Yeah, no, I appreciate the conversation.

Dan Ryan 3:54:50 - 3:54:55

3:54:50To answer your question directly, I would honor your voice and set up an investigation.

Keith Wilson 3:54:56 - 3:55:31

3:54:56How that looks you know, I appreciate the conversation and I appreciate the spirited discourse.

3:55:02The one thing that I give pause to is defaulting to trust.

3:55:08It's our relationship is between council and the administration, which is manifested based on the mayor and the city administrator.

3:55:16Yes.

3:55:17I would prefer that the outline be clear to direct me to clearly determine where in the administration malfeasance, mistrust, misinformation may be found so we can find it and address it.

Keelan McClymont 3:55:32 - 3:55:32

3:55:32So that would be—.

Keith Wilson 3:55:32 - 3:55:42

3:55:32But to answer your question, to get back to it, yes, I will.

3:55:35And I've talked to Councilors Green and Councilor Zimmerman in past conversations and said I will follow the will of this vote.

Loretta Smith 3:55:43 - 3:55:45

3:55:43Okay, thank you so much.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:55:47 - 3:55:48

3:55:47Councilor Green.

Mitch Green 3:55:50 - 3:58:27

3:55:50Thank you, Madam President.

3:55:52You know, I, I also appreciate the discourse and the engagement here, and I, and I wanted— I just want to clarify what this is trying to do, um, because it is important that we are not engaging in witch hunts.

3:56:07In my opinion, this does not engage in a witch hunt.

3:56:09Um, I'll just direct your attention to the second to last be it further resolved, and I'll just read it verbatim.

3:56:16It says yes.

3:56:18Be it further resolved under City Charter Section 2-109, Investigations, this council urges the auditor to investigate the facts and prepare a report.

3:56:28So the sub— the subject of the investigation is the facts.

3:56:31It's not any person.

3:56:34It's the facts and prepare a report detailing the city's handling of Zenith Lux applications to bring clarity and transparency to the situation given many competing statements okay.

3:56:46To just summarize the rest of it, it's urging the auditor to look at statements made by staff, but also Zenith Energy, and also members of the public.

3:56:57And so in some sense, it de-centers the staff.

3:57:00The whereas clauses are efforts to, without allegation, say, here's evidence that has been presented to me as a duly elected official.

3:57:10This is what people have emailed me with.

3:57:12This is their summary of their experience as they've engaged with this issue over the years.

3:57:19Attachment H, I believe, is the email I responded in— I received in response to the work session where it was more like, this is what we heard in the work session.

3:57:30It does not correspond with our experience.

3:57:33Urge you to look into this.

3:57:34And so I designed this resolution with this idea that I'm going to lay it all out there.

3:57:39I'm going to resist saying you did a bad thing in here.

3:57:43I'm going to say I think this urges further investigation, but I'm not going to spin up a kangaroo court and engage in a witch hunt.

3:57:56And I'm going to sort of ask for the assistance of a body of this government that has the expertise to engage in a fact-finding exercise.

3:58:02And so I think in that In that sense, I'm also in the spirit of saying I want it to be serious.

3:58:09I want it to address the issues at hand and settle the question in the most expedient fashion possible.

3:58:17So I just leave it at that.

3:58:18That's my clarifying piece here.

3:58:22And just, you know, to Councilor Smith's question, the mayor's part is just the franchise agreement.

Eric Zimmerman 3:58:27 - 3:58:28

3:58:27Okay.

Mitch Green 3:58:28 - 3:59:13

3:58:28The auditor's part, if if the auditor chooses to, to, to go along with this, is to just look at all the facts and say, what do we, what do we know, and what kind of report can we provide?

3:58:40And so it doesn't even ask the mayor to go around to each bureau and say, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're right, you're wrong.

3:58:45So that's, that's what the resolution does as written.

3:58:48So I'll just yield.

3:58:50And Councilor, um, Green, and so you know that I do, and that's why I asked it to urge.

3:59:04And I, and I would just say resolutions are a tool that the City Council has to make its collective will known, and that's what we're trying to do here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:59:15 - 3:59:18

3:59:15I believe that Councilor Murillo may have a response.

Angelita Morillo 3:59:18 - 4:00:00

3:59:18Yeah, I just want to direct respond to that because we know that resolutions are largely symbolic Overall, yet we use them all the time for plenty of things.

3:59:27So to use that as a talking point for not moving this forward doesn't make much sense to me because that's all resolutions are.

3:59:34Unless you're bringing forward an ordinance, it's not a law change, right?

3:59:38I also think that it will be important for the public record and for the public to know how all of us voted on Zenith on this resolution.

3:59:45So there is value in going through the process.

3:59:49And if you vote no, I'll honor your vote, obviously.

3:59:52Thank you.

3:59:53There's nothing I can do about it, but I think that there is value in just answering the question.

Keith Wilson 4:00:03 - 4:00:47

4:00:03This has been a very helpful conversation.

4:00:12I'm going to propose an amendment that I think maintains all the meat of this resolution, No changes to the be resolved and the furthers and all the things, um, that I think, uh, maintains the spirit and the seriousness.

4:00:32And I'll, I'll forego my concerns about words like demand or direct.

4:00:36But out of this entire document, there are 20 whereas paragraphs, and I have 2 amendments I'm going to read in, and I'm going to read them together.

4:00:46So my First Amendment.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:00:47 - 4:00:57

4:00:47Councilor, before you do that, if there are—.

4:00:50He's on a roll.

4:00:51I'm sorry, I'm just wondering if we should get this up.

Keith Wilson 4:00:57 - 4:00:58

4:00:57It's easy, it doesn't need to be.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:00:59 - 4:01:00

4:00:59Okay, it's easy.

4:00:59Okay, go ahead.

Keith Wilson 4:01:02 - 4:02:18

4:01:02Uh, my First Amendment is that no changes to the document in the first 10 whereases.

4:01:10And so I'll just read out what the 10th one is.

4:01:12This is no change.

4:01:12Whereas in In its 2022 LUCS materials, Zenith excluded activities, fuels, dot, dot, dot, dot.

4:01:20We're all tracking where we're at?

4:01:22Second page.

4:01:24The whereas is after that, and at the end of that it has Attachment C1, C2, all the way through whereas 20, which is the last whereas, which is Attachment H, and directly before the now therefore.

4:01:37My amendment is to remove all 10 of those whereases, and the reason I am proposing that amendment My first amendment is that I think this resolution reads incredibly professionally without them and maintains the reasons why this is a serious topic and a serious resolution.

4:01:55That's my first amendment.

4:01:56My second amendment is to remove attachments C1, C2, E, F, and G.

4:02:06Second.

4:02:09G1, G2, and H for all the same reasons because they kind of corresponded there.

4:02:16And I'm happy to field any thoughts.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:02:20 - 4:02:36

4:02:20Let's give everybody just a minute to read this, and then we will see if there's a second on this amendment.

4:02:31If there is a second on this amendment, we will pause the queue on discussion on the underlying resolution.

Olivia Clark 4:02:36 - 4:02:36

4:02:36Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:02:36 - 4:03:23

4:02:36And we will move to— okay, there's a second.

4:02:39So, um, we'll move through folks who are already in the queue to see if you have comments on the amendment, and then move on to other folks who may have comments on the amendment.

4:02:50I'll give everybody just 2 minutes to read through this.

4:02:53How do we read it?

4:02:55Uh, if you look on our agenda online And you click on the title of this agenda item, Item 13, Declare Actions Concerning Zenith, et cetera, you should pull up the original text of the resolution, which has been slightly amended in one of the resolves, but we are only talking about whereases right now.

4:03:20So there shouldn't be a conflict in looking at this document.

Dan Ryan 4:03:24 - 4:03:24

4:03:24Okay.

Sameer Kanal 4:03:25 - 4:03:26

4:03:25Can I ask a clarifying question?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:03:27 - 4:03:27

4:03:27Go ahead.

Sameer Kanal 4:03:28 - 4:03:32

4:03:28Did you say to remove— Councilor Zimmerman, did you say to remove Attachment D, as in dog, as well?

Unidentified speaker 4:03:35 - 4:03:35

4:03:35No.

Jim Labby 4:03:36 - 4:03:36

4:03:36Thank you.

Keith Wilson 4:03:38 - 4:03:39

4:03:38I'm happy to repeat.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:03:40 - 4:03:43

4:03:40Why don't you repeat it now that more folks have it pulled up?

Unidentified speaker 4:03:43 - 4:03:43

4:03:43Sure.

Keith Wilson 4:03:43 - 4:04:15

4:03:43Starting with the attachments that I propose to remove, C1, C2, E, F, G1, G2, and H. The spirit of that, colleagues, is that the ones that remain are email correspondence, a letter from DEQ.

4:04:13I would put them in the official record types of things.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:04:15 - 4:04:27

4:04:15I removed the news articles and the unsigned councilor, can you repeat the whereas clauses that you would remove as well?

Keith Wilson 4:04:27 - 4:04:57

4:04:27Sure.

4:04:28The first whereas clause that I'm proposing to remove is a whereas clause that starts with, whereas investigative reports from Street Roots and DeSmog.

4:04:40So that's the first one.

4:04:42If we're all there, I'm proposing removing all whereases thereafter.

4:04:46After and shortening up the document so that the next paragraph after the 2022 Lux whereas is the now therefore be it resolved, City Council.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:05:00 - 4:05:04

4:05:00Councilor Novick, are you in the queue to discuss the amendment or the underlying resolution?

Steve Novick 4:05:07 - 4:05:11

4:05:07I support the amendment.

4:05:08Don't need to say anything further.

4:05:09I was in the queue to discuss the underlying resolution.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:05:11 - 4:05:14

4:05:11Councilor Kanal, amendment or underlying resolution?

Sameer Kanal 4:05:14 - 4:05:14

4:05:14Amendment.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:05:15 - 4:05:15

4:05:15Go right ahead.

Sameer Kanal 4:05:16 - 4:06:01

4:05:16Councilor Zimmerman, I understand what you're trying to do.

4:05:21I know I'm not raising the general question here.

4:05:25The reason I asked about Attachment D is because the 12th whereas clause cites it, and it is the auditor's report.

4:05:36And I was curious if Perhaps with a slightly different tweak, that clause could be retained.

4:05:43That tweak being starting the quote with the communications involved to maintain the finding from the auditor but avoid naming the staff, given that you felt that the attachment was worth keeping.

Keith Wilson 4:06:01 - 4:06:24

4:06:01Councilor Kanal, I would actually just venture to Remove that from the list of excises, right, entirely.

4:06:09The second one, the one that says whereas in investigating Zenith violations of local lobbying rules, I had proposed removing that, but I'd left the document in.

4:06:18I think leaving that in is fine given that, that document.

4:06:22Thank you for the highlight.

Sameer Kanal 4:06:24 - 4:06:24

4:06:24Thank you, Councilor.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:06:24 - 4:06:34

4:06:24So this is a friendly amendment to remove one fewer whereas clause.

4:06:28It sounds like you are okay with that.

4:06:30I believe Councilor Councilor Clark, you seconded the motion.

4:06:32Are you okay with that change as well?

Loretta Smith 4:06:34 - 4:06:34

4:06:34Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:06:35 - 4:06:45

4:06:35Okay.

4:06:37Councilor Koyama Lane, are you in the queue to discuss the amendment?

4:06:43Councilor Morillo, are you in the queue to discuss the amendment?

Angelita Morillo 4:06:46 - 4:06:46

4:06:46Yes, I am.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:06:47 - 4:06:47

4:06:47Go right ahead.

Angelita Morillo 4:06:50 - 4:08:33

4:06:50So I think that the reason that the whereases are really important is because it provides context in the public record about why this is happening in the first place.

4:06:59And I think that if we want to talk about Trumpian politics, removing journalists' writing and investigations from the record on serious matters is kind of concerning to me, if we want to go that route.

4:07:18These are not— we're acting like some of the documents entered into the record are just from randos in the community and not experts that have investigated this for way more years than we have, and from actual journalists who have done public records requests, who've done a ton of investigating into this.

4:07:45I think that it removes the entire context and the history of why we have gotten to this moment, and I think I think that that context is incredibly important for why we are at this point in history right now.

4:07:58So I feel very strongly that the majority of this does need to be kept so that generations coming after us can understand why we had to do this in the first place.

4:08:08I see this— to remove all of that context, when we're talking about accessibility to the public as well, I picture someone going and trying to find this resolution and just seeing the investigation and none of the context and none of the attachments and just wondering why did City Council do this in the first place.

4:08:26This puts it all in one spot, makes it easy to address.

4:08:31And I just—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:08:34 - 4:08:34

4:08:34I don't—.

Angelita Morillo 4:08:34 - 4:09:30

4:08:34I think maybe you could remove some of the attachments from the advocates, but I'm glad you changed your mind about the auditor's own investigation because why did we have an auditor if we're not going to use her but I also think the point of local journalists, and they're not always favorable to us either, is that they are actually doing investigations as well.

4:08:56So I think that this is just incredibly important context, and I feel like this is being just torn apart with a meat cleaver in a way that is completely removing the context.

4:09:08Councilor Loretta Smith.

4:09:09A lot of the important integrity of this resolution, actually.

4:09:16And I feel like some of the discussion that we're having about, like, should we urge or direct the mayor or whatever, are just semantic discussions to slow down process.

4:09:26And I think the public is tired of us slowing down the process on this.

Eric Zimmerman 4:09:30 - 4:09:31

4:09:30Yeah.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:09:34 - 4:09:39

4:09:34I would ask folks to keep their support or opposition quiet.

Keith Wilson 4:09:40 - 4:09:40

4:09:40I'm responding.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:09:41 - 4:09:43

4:09:41Councilor Zimmerman, and then we need to get back to the queue.

Keith Wilson 4:09:45 - 4:11:29

4:09:45So I think, you know, first off, I'm not sure that imputing the motivations of like why I thought that word was important or not is, is necessarily the right tactic here or, or helpful.

4:09:57But I think that a lot of news agencies have reported on this topic, and only news from one publication and one reporter was included.

4:10:07And so I don't know that they were included to capture the entire record of what was included.

4:10:13I didn't see articles from our other papers of record in the community.

4:10:17And so I'm not sure that, um, saying that by including those documents that we have— we somehow are going to miss the point in the public record.

4:10:27I think you made the point earlier, Councilor, like the advocates, the folks involved, we have heard this.

4:10:32The public record is, is out there.

4:10:35And I think the spirit of any investigation is important that it start from— and the reason most of the time when investigation has to happen, it has to happen from a person not involved— is because it's supposed to start from a position that is neutral across the board.

4:10:50And that all of these documents that we're talking about all of these experiences that councilors have who need to be interviewed in the future, if they think that's the case, will come out in an investigation.

4:11:03I don't know that the spirit of a resolution to urge one has to give all the documents that need to be looked at, because what this says to me is that for some reason this council believes that these 2 articles over any other article somehow carry more weight.

4:11:17And I don't think that was the intent, but by not including them, So that's why I captured both of them, and that's why I went with those.

4:11:24And it is not about— I would like to put this to rest today as well.

4:11:27I'm not trying to delay this to multiple days.

Angelita Morillo 4:11:30 - 4:12:03

4:11:30I'm sorry I implied that, and I appreciate you clarifying.

4:11:33Look at us, we're working it out.

4:11:35Me and Zimmerman always do.

4:11:38I think to direct respond about the news articles, I think it's because those journalists specifically did some public records requests that I think it unearthed some things that were interesting to look at that, frankly, other publications like the Oregonian and stuff, they've reported on the issue at large, but they didn't get that same data.

4:11:58And so, I mean, I'm happy to add more articles.

4:12:02Why take them away?

Candace Avalos 4:12:06 - 4:14:20

4:12:06I'll start by saying I agree with Councilor Morillo and let me take it a step further and a step up, because for me, what all of this— the whereas clauses, the attachments, this process that we're going through— I'm actually really excited about this, because what to me it shows is us legislating in a way that's actually reflective of the people that we represent and have worked hard with the councilors who crafted this resolution to bring some information, you know, bring resources, add context, add a perspective.

4:12:43You know, it's not the job of the resolution writers to include absolutely everybody's perspective.

4:12:49It clearly has a perspective and it provided data to support that.

4:12:53And it isn't asking us, do we agree with it?

4:12:55And that's why we vote on it.

4:12:56So I don't think we need to be adding a whole bunch of other things.

4:13:00I just don't think process-wise, that doesn't make sense to me.

4:13:03And further, this is really important to me because I feel like—.

4:13:06Councilor Loretta Smith.

4:13:08We often discredit community voices as not being experts.

4:13:13That is something that I am strongly values against because it's rooted in process that has always excluded people like me, people like the communities that are impacted by this resolution, people who have brought this forward.

4:13:29And so I'm strongly against the amendment because I think it takes out a lot of context I agree that the whole point of having a public record is that there's context in it.

4:13:38And if we take all of that out, if we look at this in 10 years, it's not gonna make sense to me if we cut all of those articles out or all of the attachments out.

4:13:47But I think my larger point is this is a good discussion for us to have.

4:13:52And I think there is more discussion to have around like, how are we crafting resolutions?

4:13:57How are we bringing those together?

4:13:58But this is a really good example to me of how this is different.

4:14:02This council is different.

4:14:03Councilor Loretta Smith.

4:14:04I am planning on bringing resolutions that are going to have the voices of the people I represent in them, and I'm going to reflect them in similar ways.

4:14:10And so I'm strongly against doing this because I don't want to set that precedent and, uh, make those kinds of assumptions that those voices aren't experts, because they are.

4:14:18Community voices are experts.

4:14:20Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:14:23 - 4:14:50

4:14:23I know that a few folks have asked about a delay, and I just want to say quickly to anybody watching online and to the public who's here in the room.

4:14:30It's my intent to let council finish this discussion and move to a vote regardless of how long that takes.

4:14:36I know that may make it a late night, and I apologize for it being a late night, but the alternative would be to delay this to another day.

4:14:46Is this speaking to the amendment?

Mitch Green 4:14:50 - 4:15:48

4:14:50It is speaking to the amendment.

4:14:51And thank you, Madam President.

4:14:53And I just want to acknowledge, I, I really I think that you're— Councilor Zimmerman, I think that you're really trying to offer a constructive path that makes you feel comfortable with the resolution.

4:15:03I take all the— I actually take this amendment in very good faith.

4:15:06I would just like to offer a counterargument in favor of preserving the whereas clauses and just sort of explain why I structured it this way.

4:15:16Like, the resolution does a lot, and the burden of proof is the bar is pretty high in how we convince our colleagues to take on these actions.

4:15:25And so, for instance, for example, there on the Street Roots and DeSmog reference, and then later there's another citation, Attachment F, to another Street Roots article.

4:15:36I go to those because that's where I got my glimpse into the public records request.

4:15:42Because if it not for, you know, Jeremiah Hayden's reporting on this, I wouldn't know.

Keelan McClymont 4:15:48 - 4:15:48

4:15:48Thank you.

Mitch Green 4:15:49 - 4:17:05

4:15:49And when I asked the question during the work session on January 21st whether or not Zenith Energy had, you know, did staff have any knowledge of long-run expansion plans at the critical energy infrastructure hub on the part of Zenith Energy, I knew to ask that question because I read about it in a December 9th Street Roots article that was obtained through a public records request.

4:16:12And so I know it looks I know it looks unusual to have all these, you know, there's no official seal and logo on these things, but this is the sort of basis of the argumentation.

4:16:24Without it, it's hard for me to say urge the auditor to do an investigation if we haven't presented the basis for that.

4:16:30That feels like a witch hunt, actually.

4:16:33And so I feel unless we have a basis to ask that level of engagement, These things hang together that way.

4:16:43It is unusual.

4:16:44I will grant that.

4:16:46It's not something we typically find, but this is actually a pretty highly unusual case with a very complicated issue.

4:16:51And so the intention here with all these whereas clauses, which are quite numerous, was to do citations to the stuff that I have seen.

4:17:00And Street Roots happens to be the earliest and just, I think, the best investigative reporting on this issue.

Sameer Kanal 4:17:05 - 4:17:05

4:17:05Thank you.

Mitch Green 4:17:06 - 4:17:20

4:17:06That goes to the source document, which is the public records request.

4:17:09So that's my motivation on this.

4:17:11That's why I think it matters.

4:17:12That's why I'm against the amendment.

4:17:14That's why I think it matters to keep it in its wholeness.

4:17:19Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:17:21 - 4:17:23

4:17:21Councilor Kanal, to the amendment.

Unidentified speaker 4:17:24 - 4:17:24

4:17:24Thanks.

Sameer Kanal 4:17:25 - 4:18:02

4:17:25I have 2 distinct questions, and please take them separately to Councilors Zimmerman and Clark.

4:17:32The same question I asked earlier, preservation of Attachment D earlier.

4:17:39This time Attachment B as in boy was also not removed in your amendment.

4:17:44And Clause 14, the 14th and 15th whereas, when asked by City Council and whereas Zenith did not disclose, those relate to Attachment B.

4:17:55And so my same question there, if those could be friendly amended back in?

4:18:00That's my first question.

4:18:01And then the second one relates to—.

Keith Wilson 4:18:02 - 4:18:05

4:18:02Can you just say again which whereas?

Sameer Kanal 4:18:05 - 4:18:20

4:18:05Whereas when asked by City Council, and the immediate following one, whereas Zenith did not disclose.

4:18:11They're the 14th and 15th whereas.

4:18:14Um, and then the— sorry, I'll let you respond if you'd like before I—.

Keith Wilson 4:18:20 - 4:18:37

4:18:20I acknowledge that they are Attachment B, but I I think that I wouldn't be open to those 2 coming out of my poll, right?

4:18:28I think that they go a little far to assume or set a fact that I'm not sure we've determined yet.

4:18:35That was my reasoning there.

4:18:36Thanks for the question though.

Sameer Kanal 4:18:38 - 4:19:06

4:18:38Yeah, and then the same kind of similar but not exactly the same question.

4:18:42It's the 18th one, whereas city staff presented, and it's not about the whereas clause, it's about Attachment G2 specifically, which is an email that is in the public record already.

4:18:51It's an email from staff to us before we took office, um, that I think is, is helpful to have in the record.

4:18:59It's, it's not about the whereas clause, it's about the attachment itself.

4:19:04And I'll, I'll just leave it at that.

Keith Wilson 4:19:09 - 4:19:22

4:19:09You're always a very good detail man.

4:19:14Um, Councilor not to the whereas, but leaving the document G2, that email is— I consider it a friendly amendment.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:19:25 - 4:19:49

4:19:25So just so that we're tracking correctly, we are now considering an amendment which would remove whereas clauses 11 and 13 through 20 and attachments C1 C2, E, F, G1, and H. Clerk, is that what you have written down as well?

Keelan McClymont 4:19:50 - 4:19:50

4:19:50That's what I have.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:19:50 - 4:20:32

4:19:50And I should have asked first, Councilor Clark, are you okay with that amendment?

4:19:55Okay.

4:19:56Thank you, Councilor.

4:19:58I don't see anybody else in the queue to the amendment.

4:20:03Are there any other comments to the amendment?

4:20:10Okay, Keelan, could you please call the roll?

4:20:13And this is just to be clear, we're voting yes means we are amending the resolution to remove whereas clauses 11 and 13 through 20 and attachments C1, C2, E, F, G1, and H. No is a vote to keep the resolution in its current form.

Unidentified speaker 4:20:33 - 4:20:33

4:20:33Aye.

Candace Avalos 4:20:41 - 4:20:43

4:20:41Community voices are experts.

4:20:43I vote no.

Unidentified speaker 4:20:48 - 4:20:48

4:20:48No.

Loretta Smith 4:20:49 - 4:21:05

4:20:49I believe that we need to continue to have our freedom of speech and to be able to use those tools that are Not, um, necessarily mainstream.

4:21:03So I'm going to vote no on this.

Sameer Kanal 4:21:05 - 4:21:18

4:21:05Yeah, I like some of this.

4:21:09I, I, I don't like some of it.

4:21:11It's hard because I don't want to try to start getting into the question of do we divide this and get— that just seems messy.

4:21:17Um, so I'm going to vote no.

Angelita Morillo 4:21:19 - 4:21:19

4:21:19Thanks.

Eric Zimmerman 4:21:20 - 4:21:20

4:21:20Ryan.

Dan Ryan 4:21:21 - 4:21:34

4:21:21Yeah, ironically, I might be the only one that's in those, um, articles This is my first time voting no.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 4:21:34 - 4:21:39

4:21:34I'm a little excited, ever.

4:21:38And I'm voting no.

Angelita Morillo 4:21:42 - 4:21:42

4:21:42No.

Steve Novick 4:21:45 - 4:21:45

4:21:45Aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:21:47 - 4:21:48

4:21:47Clerk.

Olivia Clark 4:21:48 - 4:21:59

4:21:48This is very unusual, and I appreciate the author's intent I appreciate the spirited discussion.

Mitch Green 4:22:00 - 4:22:00

4:22:00I vote no.

Keith Wilson 4:22:02 - 4:22:02

4:22:02Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:22:08 - 4:22:19

4:22:08I appreciate Councilor Smith's comment about the voices of media that are not mainstream, and I hear that and feel that, and it is important, and it is causing me hesitation.

Keelan McClymont 4:22:19 - 4:22:19

4:22:19In my vote.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:22:20 - 4:22:35

4:22:20But I also was clear with the carrier early on in this process that while I wouldn't bring an amendment to change these sections of the resolution, if somebody else did, I would feel compelled to support it because of the comments I made earlier about supporting our staff at the city.

4:22:35I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:22:38 - 4:22:44

4:22:38The amendment is not approved with 8 no votes and 4 yes votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:22:45 - 4:22:59

4:22:45So we are back to the queue to the resolution with the one previous amendment not amended with this most recent amendment.

4:22:57Councilor Novick, to the resolution.

Steve Novick 4:23:00 - 4:23:46

4:23:00Actually, my comments are shamelessly personal.

4:23:02I want to say that Councilor Kanal was right.

4:23:04I should not have invoked Donald Trump.

4:23:06What I meant to say was that because of what Trump's doing to federal employees, I'm especially sensitive Second, I want to make it clear that I'm not insulting anybody when I suggest they want somebody's head on a pike.

4:23:21I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting people's heads on pikes.

4:23:24There's a number of people who not only do I want their head on the pike, I'd be proud to carry the pike.

4:23:28And I quoted John Steinbeck, a character in an underestimated John Steinbeck novel.

4:23:34Although I do not support your— I may not support your particular passion, I support passion, whatever its Whatever its form.

4:23:41So again, I apologize, and I hope I've offered a clarification.

4:23:46Thank you.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 4:23:51 - 4:25:14

4:23:51Colleagues, I want to say that I am proud of us.

4:23:54I feel like we're sitting in some discomfort.

4:23:56While I am very tired, I do see some ways that we're finding where we're closer to each other than maybe we thought.

4:24:04Councilor Herbold.

4:24:05I also am taking really seriously what I'm hearing from my colleagues about a desire to make sure that our city staff feel supported.

4:24:15And I—.

4:24:16Those who know me know that I care deeply about our city employees and working with them, making sure that we're collaborating.

4:24:23I also am sitting here, I was feeling a little confused and wanted to remind us that on February 19th, 2025, we unanimously passed a resolution to direct the city administrator to submit a report of unassigned funds.

4:24:43I didn't hear a lot of this— these same concerns there.

4:24:49I don't think that it's necessarily disrespectful or being unkind to city workers to talk about.

4:24:59I'm looking at that resolution right here that my colleague, Councilor Loretta Smith, brought forward, and it talks about promoting transparency and fostering public trust.

4:25:11I see some connections there.

4:25:13I just wanted to remind us of that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:25:17 - 4:25:18

4:25:17All right.

Keith Wilson 4:25:23 - 4:25:44

4:25:23I recognize the message of pulling the media articles out.

4:25:30I'm, I'm hearing that, and it was not an intent there.

4:25:36I move the same amendment except the only change is only to remove Attachment H.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:25:47 - 4:25:57

4:25:47Councilor, before I do the work, have you cross-checked and make sure— made sure that you are not removing whereas clauses that refer to attachments that you are keeping in.

Keith Wilson 4:25:59 - 4:26:04

4:25:59Regardless, those whereases I don't think should be in the document.

4:26:02The attachments can stand on their own.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:26:04 - 4:26:04

4:26:04Okay.

Keith Wilson 4:26:05 - 4:26:17

4:26:05But I am moving to remove the same whereases that we considered earlier, but I am changing the attachments just to remove Attachment H, which I consider the most concerning of the attachments.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:26:18 - 4:26:34

4:26:18So you are making a motion to amend the resolution to remove whereas clauses 11 and 13 through 20 and attachments C1, C2, E, F, and G1, with a second from Councilor Novick.

Keith Wilson 4:26:34 - 4:26:35

4:26:34I'm sorry, can you—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:26:37 - 4:26:43

4:26:37Whereas clauses 11 and 13 through 20.

4:26:40Yes.

4:26:42And attachments C1.

Unidentified speaker 4:26:43 - 4:26:43

4:26:43No.

Olivia Clark 4:26:44 - 4:26:44

4:26:44No.

Keith Wilson 4:26:44 - 4:26:47

4:26:44Only Attachment H would be removed in my new amendment.

Eric Zimmerman 4:26:47 - 4:26:47

4:26:47Got it.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:26:47 - 4:26:48

4:26:47Okay.

Keith Wilson 4:26:48 - 4:26:55

4:26:48Only Attachment H. All other attachments as the original writers put forward, the articles, everything except Attachment H.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:26:56 - 4:27:00

4:26:56So removing whereas clauses 11 and 13 through 20 and Attachment H.

Keith Wilson 4:27:00 - 4:27:03

4:27:00Thank you.

4:27:01For consideration and the second, Councilor Novick.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:27:04 - 4:27:07

4:27:04Okay.

4:27:05Councilor Smith, are you in the queue to the amendment?

Loretta Smith 4:27:08 - 4:28:11

4:27:08Yes, yes.

4:27:09And I want to respond to, um, Councilor, um, sometimes you got to know when you winning, and you were winning before you said that.

4:27:20I understood exactly what you're trying to do, but the issue is, is there's a difference in going after this, the city administrator, and going after a, uh, an employee that, that's in a bureau.

4:27:32Um, I'm with you when you right, and I've been sitting here listening to everything That, that amendment was something that needed to take place for transparency around dollars that come into this community that we do have the power of the purse for.

4:27:52We don't have the power to urge anyone to do anything, and that's the difference.

4:27:59If I put something forward, it's going to be because we have the power to do it.

4:28:05I understand why we're doing this, and I'm there.

4:28:09And so you just got to know when you win.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:28:15 - 4:28:17

4:28:15Councilor Murillo, to the amendment.

Angelita Morillo 4:28:19 - 4:28:56

4:28:19Um, I accept just keeping that one, uh, or removing that one item, uh, from the record.

4:28:28That's fine.

4:28:30I I still think the whereas clauses, that's like half of this thing, and I think it's just too much important context.

4:28:37Is there something specific about this that is— so, okay, I think the discussion that has come up is like, this doesn't look professional.

4:28:46I don't really know what that means because it's put in the whereas format.

4:28:49The clerk looked at it, the lawyers looked at it.

4:28:52Who is defining professionalism here?

4:28:54I thought we were all making up a government right now.

Olivia Clark 4:28:57 - 4:28:57

4:28:57Councilor Smith.

Angelita Morillo 4:28:57 - 4:30:00

4:28:57And deciding how things go.

4:28:59So I think I get to define what professional is, and I think professional is citing my sources and citing the context so that in 20, 30, 100 years from now, because we've saved the planet and we stopped Donald Trump from destroying our infrastructure, we are looking— there's gonna be some kid in elementary school researching the Zenith Oil Train, and they're gonna pull this up on the digital record and their magic screen that they have, and they're going to be like, dang, I didn't have to look up all the advocates that they talked to because it's already here.

4:29:32You know, like, honestly, that's genuinely what I'm picturing.

4:29:35We've saved the day.

4:29:37Some elementary school kids looking at this 100 years from now.

4:29:40I'm getting tired, I'm sorry.

4:29:43But, you know, like, I think that this is important, and I think that we get to define how these things are.

4:29:48We're making all this up as we go along.

4:29:50So just because something's been done a certain way before doesn't mean that's how it has to be done now.

4:29:54Um, so I approve removing, uh, the one attachment that you cited.

4:29:58I think the whereas clauses need to stay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:30:02 - 4:30:09

4:30:02Any other comments to the amendment?

4:30:08Keelan, could you please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 4:30:11 - 4:30:11

4:30:11Avalos.

Candace Avalos 4:30:12 - 4:30:13

4:30:12Still a no from me.

Loretta Smith 4:30:17 - 4:30:18

4:30:17No.

Keelan McClymont 4:30:19 - 4:30:19

4:30:19No.

Sameer Kanal 4:30:20 - 4:30:22

4:30:20For the reasons Councilor Murillo said, no.

Unidentified speaker 4:30:23 - 4:30:23

4:30:23Ryan?

Dan Ryan 4:30:23 - 4:30:25

4:30:23No.

4:30:24Koyama Lane?

Keelan McClymont 4:30:25 - 4:30:26

4:30:25No.

4:30:26Murillo?

Angelita Morillo 4:30:27 - 4:30:27

4:30:27No.

Keelan McClymont 4:30:28 - 4:30:28

4:30:28Novick?

Steve Novick 4:30:29 - 4:30:39

4:30:29I hope that at some future time Councilor Murillo makes the elementary school kid argument again, 'cause I would love to be able to rely on that in voting for something, but sadly I still have to vote aye.

Loretta Smith 4:30:42 - 4:30:42

4:30:42Aye.

Mitch Green 4:30:43 - 4:30:44

4:30:43No.

Unidentified speaker 4:30:47 - 4:30:47

4:30:47Aye.

Angelita Morillo 4:30:49 - 4:30:49

4:30:49Aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:30:51 - 4:30:57

4:30:51The motion is— or the amendment is not approved with 8 no votes and 4 yes votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:30:58 - 4:31:16

4:30:58Is there any further discussion to the resolution as amended, not with that most recent amendment?

4:31:11Okay, I believe we have a first and a— oh, Councilor Murillo.

Angelita Morillo 4:31:18 - 4:31:20

4:31:18Which attachment did you want removed, Zimmerman?

Eric Zimmerman 4:31:20 - 4:31:20

4:31:20H.

Angelita Morillo 4:31:21 - 4:31:28

4:31:21H, okay.

4:31:23I propose we remove Attachment H and keep the rest of it as is.

4:31:27Can we vote on that?

Sameer Kanal 4:31:28 - 4:31:29

4:31:28Second.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:31:30 - 4:31:36

4:31:30Any discussion?

4:31:32Please call the roll.

Keelan McClymont 4:31:38 - 4:31:39

4:31:38No.

Jamie Dunphy 4:31:39 - 4:31:39

4:31:39Aye.

Loretta Smith 4:31:42 - 4:31:42

4:31:42No.

Sameer Kanal 4:31:44 - 4:31:45

4:31:44Aye.

Eric Zimmerman 4:31:46 - 4:31:46

4:31:46Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:31:48 - 4:31:48

4:31:48Aye.

Angelita Morillo 4:31:50 - 4:31:50

4:31:50Aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:31:51 - 4:32:00

4:31:51No.

4:32:00Aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:32:02 - 4:32:02

4:32:02Aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:32:04 - 4:32:07

4:32:04The amendment is approved with 9 yes votes and 3 no votes.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:32:10 - 4:32:30

4:32:10We've now had 2 amendments adopted into the resolution.

4:32:14Is there any discussion to the— is there any discussion of the resolution as amended?

4:32:21I'm struggling with words here.

4:32:24Okay, seeing none, Keelan, I believe we have a first and a second already.

4:32:29Is that correct?

Keelan McClymont 4:32:31 - 4:32:32

4:32:31I mean, a first and second.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 4:32:32 - 4:32:32

4:32:32This is just a roll call.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:32:33 - 4:32:36

4:32:33Okay, it's there and ready to go.

4:32:34Would you please call the roll?

Keelan McClymont 4:32:38 - 4:32:38

4:32:38Avalos.

Candace Avalos 4:32:41 - 4:32:43

4:32:41Colleagues, I am voting yes on this resolution.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:32:43 - 4:32:44

4:32:43And yeah, I'm going to give you a speech.

Keelan McClymont 4:32:45 - 4:32:45

4:32:45Deal with it.

Candace Avalos 4:32:46 - 4:33:52

4:32:46I am voting yes on this resolution because Portland City Council must have a role in shaping the land use decisions that impact our communities.

4:32:55Right now, there is disagreement about whether the land use compatibility statement for Zenith is an administrative decision or a quasi-judicial one, and that distinction is critical to me because it determines the level of oversight and accountability in this process.

4:33:09This resolution is about gaining access to information that can help us investigate that distinction.

4:33:14And hopefully leads to the opportunity to clarify who has the authority to make these calls and ensuring that council has a say in land use decisions that shape our city's future.

4:33:24Land use decisions aren't just bureaucratic processes.

4:33:27They have long-term consequences for our environment, for public safety, for community well-being.

4:33:32And Portlanders elected us to be accountable stewards of these issues, and we need to ensure that that responsibility is clear.

4:33:39Beyond this resolution, I also plan to evaluate Portland's comprehensive plan to prevent situations like this from happening again.

4:33:45Councilmember We need stronger policies that are going to align with our values and provide clear democratic oversight, and for that reason, I vote aye.

Jamie Dunphy 4:33:56 - 4:33:58

4:33:56Thank you all for sticking around so late.

4:33:58I vote yes.

Loretta Smith 4:34:02 - 4:34:49

4:34:02Couple comments.

4:34:05I believe that we need to put this whole thing to bed and I think there's a, a lot of support in this room to do just that.

4:34:16And what I want folks to understand is when the conclusion comes back, if it's not the way you want it, you got to be careful for what you ask for.

4:34:30And the reason why I'm going to vote yes for this is because I understand that the auditor will be investigating the actions of the Bureau overall, not the conduct of individual employees.

4:34:47So I am voting yes for this.

Sameer Kanal 4:34:52 - 4:36:47

4:34:52Yeah, 2 quick notes before talking about the document.

4:34:55First, on public comment, again, apologies for, for any delay that that caused, but I will defend the rights of the public to give public comment at the full council meeting for as long as I'm in office, and that is the second thing is I do think that this raises a question because there is a question about— and I really don't like talking about individual employees, but there is a difference between someone in a bureau and someone who is a city administrator or the mayor.

4:35:21And where does a DCA lie?

4:35:23And I raised this when we had the conversation about the city administrator.

4:35:25I don't understand what our vision is collectively about the DCA role as a city, and I'm going to keep coming back to that until we have that clarity.

4:35:33Councilor Herbold.

4:35:33Conversation because it is a very important role, but it's not defined in charter that way.

4:35:40So setting that aside, to the document.

4:35:42Portlanders have not seen the kind of transparency around the city's conduct related to Zenith that they're entitled to, and frankly, this council has not received sufficient information either.

4:35:51As a result, the public has understandably lost trust in the city.

4:35:54In a previous document or conversation, there was a GTAC member who referred to the over and over and over aspect of community engagement waiting to be heard.

4:36:05And this one is another example of a government being told what people want and there being some bureaucratic reason why it can't be done.

4:36:14And Portlanders have made it clear they care about this issue.

4:36:16The very least we can do is ensure there's daylight on the process.

4:36:18And just as a side note, so much of what we're talking about today is really about one thing, that you have the right to have expectations of the capital C city.

4:36:26You deserve a city that listens to you, and you're entitled to have your voice heard, and it's okay to have high expectations.

4:36:32We need to invite the community into this decision-making process because this is also a public safety issue and a public health issue, and the community is who's going to be directly impacted.

4:36:42And so I'm looking forward to sending that message that we need more transparency, involvement, and clarity from here on out, and I vote aye.

Eric Zimmerman 4:36:50 - 4:36:50

4:36:50Ryan.

Dan Ryan 4:36:52 - 4:38:27

4:36:52Thank you.

4:36:55I want to pause to recall the discussion at Monday's work session about the future of the CEI Hub.

4:37:00I asked, what does an acceptable solution to address the current CEI Hub look like, and specifically, where can it be located?

4:37:09The State of Oregon's resilience officer shared that it isn't a realistic strategy to relocate the CEI Hub as we know it, but we can anticipate that it, CEI Hub, will shrink over time.

4:37:24I advocate that we continue to partner with city, region, and state, as well as the communities in the surrounding area and private industry, to develop a sound plan for the future of the CEI Hub and its resident fuelers.

4:37:38Insert pause 2.

4:37:40Councilor Dunphy, thank you for your thoughts.

4:37:43Thoughtful words earlier about basic decorum.

4:37:45I thought it kind of handled what needed to be discussed here at this body.

4:37:48I really appreciate it.

4:37:50To this matter at hand, this resolution demands that the mayor perform an investigation, but I understand that this, by city code, the mayor has the right to accept or deny requests made by the council.

4:38:03I'm not a fan of the, the word demand either, and I think an appropriate path would have been to process this through an independent city ombudsman.

4:38:12Okay, back to this up or down vote.

4:38:15I asked the mayor directly earlier this week— I'm sure you recall our conversation— if he was supportive of this resolution, and he affirmed he is.

4:38:23Well, I am too.

4:38:24I support the transparent investigation process.

4:38:27I vote aye.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 4:38:32 - 4:39:13

4:38:32I genuinely appreciate some of the struggle from the discussion thank you, Mayor.

4:38:35Thank you.

4:38:35Thank you, Mayor.

4:38:35Thank you, Councilor Herbold, for your presentation tonight about the process related to Zenith's franchise agreement.

4:38:40And I feel it underscores the importance of an issue that Councilor Morillo said, well, it will impact communities for decades to come.

4:38:48Community members have raised these concerns for years.

4:38:54There have been— there's been a lot of pent-up frustration about lack of transparency, lack of public input, and I hope that moving forward the public doesn't have to wait so long to have input and be part of the process.

4:39:11I vote aye.

4:39:12Morillo.

Angelita Morillo 4:39:15 - 4:39:20

4:39:15You've all heard me talk enough tonight.

4:39:17I'm losing coherency.

4:39:18I, of course, vote aye.

4:39:20Thank you.

Steve Novick 4:39:23 - 4:39:48

4:39:23I want to say that I really appreciate the fact that folks have hung in I think that validates the idea of having night council meetings, which Councilor Kanal fought for forcefully, and I thoroughly agree with.

4:39:36I wanted to say that I'm pleased there is going to be an investigation of potential violations of the franchise agreement.

4:39:43And finally, I wanted to say that I want Councilor Avalos to give more speeches.

4:39:48Nay.

4:39:48Clerk.

Olivia Clark 4:39:48 - 4:40:17

4:39:48Councilor well, I already expressed my discomfort with this and my thoughts about a trust deficit.

4:40:01I think that the resolution is very well-intentioned, the demand for transparency.

4:40:06I support that, and I hope that trust can be restored with this resolution.

4:40:13In fact, I believe it's very important to our success as a council that we restore trust.

Mitch Green 4:40:17 - 4:40:18

4:40:17Thank you.

Olivia Clark 4:40:19 - 4:41:59

4:40:19At the same time— and I— and Councilor Ryan opened the door, so I'm going to walk through it— uh, I want us to become more future-focused when it comes to Zenith and all of our conflicting policy goals, of which we have many.

4:40:33Zenith is supposed to be a part of the solution to the transition away from fossil fuels, so this means we're living with an uncomfortable trade-off.

4:40:42We must invest in strategies to lower our use of fossil fossil fuels, like safe streets, transit, 20-minute neighborhoods, and at the same time do everything we can to mitigate the threats posed by both oil trains and the CEI fuel tanks in our midst.

4:40:59You know, we've been at this less than 100 days, guys, and I have to say almost every day I learn about what was left behind for us to resolve.

4:41:10Mistakes of the past, decisions deferred, plans adopted but not implemented, city assets neglected, neglected streets, parks, and other assets.

4:41:18And regarding Zenith, we've neglected our fundamental responsibility to keep the public safe from the threats posed by the storage and transport of, of, uh, of the state's fossil fuel through the Linnton neighborhood.

4:41:32We've neglected our own assets and the safety of our neighborhoods.

4:41:36So I will reluctantly cast an aye vote and support for this resolution supporting transparency, and I hope that we can move away from what feels like the blame game to a productive focus on practical steps to safely transition from fossil fuels while keeping our communities safe.

4:41:55We are living with unpleasant trade-offs.

4:41:59I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:42:00 - 4:42:00

4:42:00Green.

Mitch Green 4:42:02 - 4:42:35

4:42:02I didn't prepare a fancy closing speech.

4:42:05I gave everything up front, but I want to say a couple things.

4:42:09I have deep, deep admiration for my colleagues tonight at this, at this table, at this dais.

4:42:13I have deep admiration for the mayor.

4:42:16Um, I, I think this is what voters envisioned.

4:42:21This is a very complicated issue with wide-sweeping histories and, and ramifications.

4:42:28At the same time, it's something we must take on.

4:42:31And what I see here is everyone bringing their critical lens to bear on it with their principles.

Olivia Clark 4:42:35 - 4:42:35

4:42:35Thank you.

Mitch Green 4:42:36 - 4:42:58

4:42:36We're not always agreeing on how we're getting there, but we are engaging in a dialogue that I think is in good faith and is trying to be responsive to the public.

4:42:45And so I just want to see more of that, and I hope we continue to do that across a range of issues because that's what voters want.

4:42:52And thank you for bringing that tonight, and thank you to all of you out there who are still out here tonight who fought so hard for this.

4:42:58I vote aye.

Keith Wilson 4:42:59 - 4:45:09

4:42:59Councilmember Herbold.

4:43:04Thanks.

4:43:04I made a valiant effort, I hope.

4:43:07Uh, I lost, and I appreciate— Councilor Murillo, you saw the point that I think I was most concerned about, so I appreciate that amendment and being able to support it.

4:43:18Um, what's unfortunate about this is that this action today doesn't do a darn thing to stop Zenith.

4:43:28And that is what I think most of us heard throughout our campaigns.

4:43:31It's most of us have concerns in the Zenith— excuse me, in the CEI discussion.

4:43:37It's why folks are holding up signs right now.

4:43:41Oregon, for a long time, has bragged about our land use laws since 1972.

4:43:50We're creating some sort of frontier, And at the same time, we get waylaid by those same things that we've voted on or that we brag about because they back us into corners where we have a staff and a city team who says, this is actually not a council action, it's an administrative action.

4:44:08You have no vote.

4:44:09And I don't think that's what Portlanders or Oregonians have tried to brag about when it comes to land use.

4:44:14And so I appreciate some of the comments that this investigation needs to be about about the process, about the city, not an employee.

4:44:26Any investigation that we ever engage in, when we find those issues that need to be addressed, those are a personnel matter.

4:44:33They should be addressed throughout the right channels.

4:44:35And only in the most egregious of egregious situations would I expect to see names on records at this dais.

4:44:41And so I think the mayor's heard that.

4:44:43I think that most of you have indicated that.

4:44:48The resolution is still, for me, a— is presupposing some things that I don't think are going to be helpful, but I also have confidence that an investigator will take their duty seriously, right?

4:45:04And so, um, because we were able to pull out what I thought was the most challenging attachment, I vote aye.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:45:11 - 4:46:02

4:45:11Councilor when people ask me what the job of a city councilor is, one of the things that I often lead with, because I think it's so important and so rarely highlighted, is our role in oversight and accountability.

4:45:29And this is— oh, I have some concerns about the message pieces of it sent to staff— an opportunity for us to embrace that role and an opportunity for us to highlight why having oversight and accountability for all layers of our government is so important.

4:45:51I hope, Mr. Mayor, that this is a robust review and investigation, that at the end of it, regardless of what it shows, we can restore trust with all communities across the city.

Loretta Smith 4:46:03 - 4:46:03

4:46:03Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:46:05 - 4:46:21

4:46:05And then we can get to work.

4:46:07Then we can be future-focused.

4:46:08Then we can get to, to Councilor Zimmerman's point, looking at the future of our land use system and ensuring that we have a land use system that allows us to make sustainable choices as we move forward.

4:46:20I vote aye.

Keelan McClymont 4:46:24 - 4:46:28

4:46:24The resolution as amended is adopted with 11 yes votes and 1 no vote.

Loretta Smith 4:46:29 - 4:46:30

4:46:29Thank you.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 4:46:33 - 4:47:01

4:46:33Applause down, please.

4:46:35You are welcome to cheer when we close the meeting and you leave our council chambers.

4:46:40Councilors, we do have 2 items that were listed for tomorrow afternoon because we knew this meeting would run late even without them.

4:46:50So at 10:42, I will recess this meeting.

4:46:55To tomorrow when we will pick up the agenda.

4:46:58Thank you all for being here so late.

Loretta Smith 4:47:04 - 4:47:05

4:47:04Thank you.