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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm calling back to order this recessed meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It's 2:02 on Thursday, October 29th.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call the roll?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Good afternoon.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Dan Ryan>I think he is.

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Hank, would we please have your attorney read the rules of decorum for the chamber, please?

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<v Robert Taylor>Good afternoon.

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<v Robert Taylor>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

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<v Robert Taylor>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

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<v Robert Taylor>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

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<v Robert Taylor>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Robert Taylor>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Robert Taylor>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Robert Taylor>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Robert Taylor>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Robert Taylor>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Robert Taylor>Additionally, council may take a short recess to reconvene virtually.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Robert Taylor>When testifying, one, state your name for the record.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Robert Taylor>2, If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Robert Taylor>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

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<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Happy All Hallows' Eve Eve Eve to anybody who celebrates.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call our first 2 items together?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Item 13 and 14 are time-certain items.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-366, adopt the FY 2026-27 fall supplemental budget and make other budget-related changes.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 14, document 2026-368, add budget and financial procedures code to create and direct the use of a subfund within the general reserve fund specific to the city's business license tax revenue.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Add code chapter 5.90.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you very much, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>These are second readings of non-emergency seeing no one in the queue or anyone hurriedly running to get to the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on 2026-366?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Um, aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Motion passes unanimously.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Absent.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Point of order.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'd like to cast my vote aye as well.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Kanal votes aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we, uh, colleagues, is there any further discussion on our second document here?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I suspect not.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>No, great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call the roll on 2026-368?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Item 15 is a time certain set for 2:30, um, which is not now.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I would like to— can we call item, uh, 16?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Please.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, document 2026-364, amend transportation fee schedule to establish an event parking rate within the Lloyd Event District and Zone V parking permit area, amend TRN 3.450.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamczyk with Council Operations is here for a committee staff summary report.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, Claire.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>For the record, Claire Adams at Council Policy Analyst and staff to the Public Works Committee.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-364, was heard in the Public Works Committee on October 13th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The ordinance amends the transportation fee schedule TRN 3.450 to increase the hourly event parking rate from $5.40 per hour to $8 per hour in the Lloyd Event District and Zone V parking permit area in the Eliot neighborhood, as shown in Exhibit A of the ordinance.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The event parking rate only applies when the Lloyd Event District is active and only to pay-to-park public parking spaces in the geographic areas of high demand as described by the parking assessment, which is in Exhibit B of the ordinance.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The ordinance clarifies that the current $5.40 per hour rate for the existing pay-to-park public parking spaces in the broader Lloyd Event District outside of Zone V, which is the Moda Center Convention Center, remains unchanged.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>Future rate adjustments will be completed as part of the annual budget process included in the PBOT, or the Portland Bureau of Transportation fee schedule.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts, economic and real estate development impacts, and community impacts and community involvement.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>One person provided testimony at the committee meeting on October 13th, and 4 people submitted written testimony on this item prior to committee action.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>Thank you.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>The general themes of this testimony included balancing the parking needs of residents with commercial business needs, with paid parking as a potential deterrent to customers of local businesses even on non-event days.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>A concern from a business owner who reports a nearly 65% year-over-year revenue decline following the Zone V expansion, forcing staff reductions and kitchen closure.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>A request from nearby neighborhoods for additional safety improvements, such as daylighting at intersections to improve visibility and safety, and a request for communication with PBOT to assess how parking management is working.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>In the event district.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>And finally, support for the changes as a component of the larger North Northeast Parking Management Plan.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

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<v Claire Adamczyk>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Claire.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark, this came out of the Public Works Committee.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Any opening remarks?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yes, it did.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor President.

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<v Olivia Clark>We had a nice discussion about this.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's really a good first step, as Claire mentioned, preceding the North Northeast Parking Management Action Plan.

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<v Olivia Clark>We heard all about the pressure in the neighborhood when there are games and more housing in the area.

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<v Olivia Clark>People are having a hard time finding parking.

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<v Olivia Clark>They buy a permit for their neighborhood, they can't find parking, they're still paying for it.

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<v Olivia Clark>So PBOT did— I think it was PBOT, or was it Plant?

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<v Olivia Clark>PBOT did a lot of outreach in the neighborhood, talked to a lot of people, went door to door.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I think for the most part, people think this is a really great idea.

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<v Olivia Clark>And we've done this in other places in the city.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's not that unusual.

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<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Ryan may not like it, but— and anyway, um, it's also going to allow the city to highlight the neighborhood with, uh, Rip City Communications so they can highlight this new parking situation when there are games.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, so I think it's a good bill, should pass.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, are there any technical or clarifying questions?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have folks here from PVOT if there are.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, So I voted for this in committee, but there was something that was still on the sort of unresolved issues list.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So PBOT has met one-on-one with my staff, briefed me, and I also engaged with this on October 13th in committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I mentioned that District 2 has been hearing from Lazydays Brewing about how they are negatively impacted and was told outreach would be done.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I have a question and a comment.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The question is, what— has the outreach happened?

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<v Sameer Kanal>What's the nature of the outcomes there?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And thanks for being here.

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<v Millicent Williams>Good afternoon.

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<v Millicent Williams>Millicent Williams.

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<v Millicent Williams>Interim Deputy City Administrator for Public Works.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you so much for the question, Councilor.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, I am certain that pee bottles are on their way here.

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<v Millicent Williams>The agenda got switched around a little bit, so, uh, I am aware of what's happening.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, but yes, the outreach, the, the direct contact with Lazydays has happened.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, and it wasn't just, hey, uh, this really doesn't affect you, but rather, this is exactly how it will not affect you in terms of how, uh, Customers for that establishment will be able to park.

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<v Millicent Williams>We are doing a number of things to include A signs that will say this is not an event night, so parking on this block does not go up to the $8 that would happen if it were an event night for those who are parking at those metered spaces.

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<v Millicent Williams>There, the A signs will be available, and I was just reading an email just prior to coming down, within the next couple of weeks.

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<v Millicent Williams>And the business was satisfied with the way that the bureau was reaching out and engaging to ensure that their business would not be negatively affected.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that answer.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That might be new information for me in that last piece, so that's why I'm hesitating.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so I'm going to— The A-sign part?

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<v Sameer Kanal>No, the part about the business being satisfied.

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<v Millicent Williams>That was the communication that I received from the team, was that they were satisfied with the approach that we were taking, or that the bureau was taking, and they were looking forward to continuing to work with us to figure out how to best solve for that problem.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm going to do some verification with my team about what they've been hearing, but I'll just say what I was going to say anyway before, which is that I have an interest in potentially filing an amendment to exempt Flint between North Page and Russell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Unless PBOT would want to update it themselves to remove that stretch.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I know that there are other councilors, including potentially my D2 colleagues, who've been reached out to by this particular business.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So yeah, I'm seeing a nod over there, so I'll let them speak because I know Councilor Ryan at least is in the queue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But that's, I think, the floating before testimony piece.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yes, thank you, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>Because of the vote that y'all took in committee, I think all of us in D2 started getting notes.

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<v Dan Ryan>And what I learned is that the Panhandle, I'd rather call it a Panhandle than a finger, it's 3 blocks.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I'm not hearing any pushback from the more dense populated streets of North Vancouver.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's correct.

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<v Dan Ryan>Right?

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<v Dan Ryan>And North Mississippi.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's correct.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's when you, not Mississippi.

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<v Millicent Williams>Williams, Vancouver.

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<v Dan Ryan>Williams and Vancouver, sorry.

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<v Dan Ryan>But on North Flint, where you have the middle school and the park and there's some businesses, that's where the confusion was.

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<v Dan Ryan>And it's that confusion I think all Portlanders experience.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's almost like a satire comedy where you can park here from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but if it's this day and it's this time, then you can't.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so you kind of stop and you try to read this 4 different signs and you conclude that you have no idea what it just said.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so they drive around, and then if they do park there after reading the sign again for like 5 minutes to try to understand it, they think they better pay.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then they realize it just cost them $8 to have one beer, and so they don't want to come back.

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<v Dan Ryan>So it's really impacted this business quite dramatically.

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<v Dan Ryan>And It was doing the walk.

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<v Dan Ryan>You know, it's always great.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's why we have, you know, regional people, geographic opportunities to go dig a little deeper.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I would say that the thought, the proposal that you just mentioned, Councilor Kanal, about considering an amendment to not include North Flint for a few blocks where, again, it's mostly a park, mostly a middle school.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm sure the parent drop-off people have been having some moments too trying to figure out these signs.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>Really different than the other 2 blocks.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I think that that's something that perhaps the committee didn't have a chance to chew on as much when you did this deliberation.

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<v Dan Ryan>The sign, which, thank you, and I really do appreciate your staff.

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<v Dan Ryan>Hi, Matt.

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<v Dan Ryan>You guys, it was great.

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<v Dan Ryan>I do feel listened to.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think that meeting might have helped produce this.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's right.

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<v Dan Ryan>And it's— can you all see this visual?

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, it's not a very big one.

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<v Dan Ryan>I didn't know I'd have to use it.

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<v Millicent Williams>But it would be big.

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<v Millicent Williams>It would be on both the parking city— the parking kitty a sign, but there would also be large signs because I know Councilor Yu specifically spoke to the fact that you can't see the no parking during X number of hours signage that's sometimes posted over a place where a person would normally be able to park.

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<v Millicent Williams>So there's going to be something on the parking city signs or on the parking signs as well as A-boards to let folks know that this is what is or is not happening during these times.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think I understood that, but will the signs still confuse people because there's so many different—.

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<v Millicent Williams>The hope is not.

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<v Millicent Williams>We don't— we're not like a lot of cities that have 5, 6, 7 signs on one pole.

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<v Millicent Williams>We try to limit the number.

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<v Dan Ryan>A 5 on this one.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, we try to limit the number.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so part of what the— I'm— here they go.

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<v Millicent Williams>Yes, please.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>Waiting.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, phone a friend.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, I was, uh—.

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<v Dan Ryan>So, but back to this, is it like a sandwich board, or—.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thanks.

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<v Millicent Williams>When I say a board, that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Dan Ryan>So do the businesses have to pay PBOT to get a sandwich board?

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<v Dan Ryan>No.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, that was a good answer.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I haven't had a chance to talk to the business person, so I would probably want to do that before I am definitive.

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<v Dan Ryan>But I want to acknowledge that I felt listened to in the meeting that we had after our outreach.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I think that Councilor Kanal and I will continue to listen.

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<v Dan Ryan>But I'm not saying that it's still not a good idea to consider excluding parts of North Flint from this legislation.

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<v Millicent Williams>I don't know if you heard that.

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<v Millicent Williams>I don't know if Councilor— I mean, if Director Cully heard the request for potential exclusion the entirety of Flint?

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, just making the panhandle a little short, uh, not quite 2 blocks instead of 3, maybe.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, thanks.

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<v Olivia Clark>I was just going to say, isn't this very similar to what we do at Providence Park?

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<v Olivia Clark>It's just— is it the same idea?

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<v Wendy Cully>It's the same idea.

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<v Wendy Cully>Uh, Providence Park has one rate during events, this would create a second— so there's one rate right now around Moda in that event district.

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<v Wendy Cully>This would create a second rate in the most parked-up areas, which is about 96% utilization during events.

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<v Wendy Cully>Right.

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<v Wendy Cully>So if we raise the rate to $8 in this one band, the idea is that it pushes, it pushes that folks that are currently parking there into the Uh, event district that where the rate is about $5.60.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, we should put this map up.

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<v Dan Ryan>It'd probably make it a lot easier for us in this discussion.

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<v Wendy Cully>I don't know that I have—.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm going to keep showing visuals from my—.

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<v Unidentified speaker>That presentation.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's what I was thinking about when I was, uh, talking about, uh, the— well, I didn't get to talk about the subdistrict essentially, where it's just a very small band, as Wendy has mentioned, where that those couple of blocks goes to $8.

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<v Millicent Williams>Everything else in that blue, uh, stays at the $5.40 or $5.60, uh, an hour for the event rate.

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<v Dan Ryan>And this business owner who walks home, he, he lives in the area that's impacted in this—.

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<v Millicent Williams>And he likely has a parking pass.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so this is also addressing the need that has been articulated by those who have parking passes, who pay for those on an annual basis, and they can't find parking when they come home because there's an event that's going on.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, and he said it's different in those 2 blocks than it is just one block over.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's correct.

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<v Wendy Cully>Yeah, I don't have the presentation.

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<v Millicent Williams>We can try to get it while we keep talking.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yep.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think sometimes we take things from committee, it's still important for the entire council to have some of those visuals when we have a first reading.

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<v Wendy Cully>Yeah.

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<v Millicent Williams>And Councilor, would you mind turning your binder around real quick so Kristi can see which of—.

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<v Dan Ryan>You know the map.

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<v Millicent Williams>Slides.

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<v Millicent Williams>He wants to see that.

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<v Dan Ryan>It shows the— it shows the Panhandle here.

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<v Wendy Cully>Yeah, on the very north end of Flint.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's a very lovely map.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's very clear.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'll keep it.

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<v Kristen Hull>Hi, um, Kristen Hull, PBOT's interim deputy director for planning programs and projects, for the record.

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<v Kristen Hull>I'm sorry for being late.

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<v Kristen Hull>Um, did you have a question about this particular slide?

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<v Millicent Williams>He wants to share the visual.

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<v Millicent Williams>You'd like to share the visual?

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<v Millicent Williams>There it is.

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<v Millicent Williams>There it is.

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<v Millicent Williams>There we go.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you, whoever did that.

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<v Millicent Williams>Was that Adam?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Adam did that.

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<v Kristen Hull>Some magical person who we're grateful for.

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<v Kristen Hull>He's so great.

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<v Millicent Williams>Don't we love Adam?

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<v Millicent Williams>Okay, there we go.

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<v Millicent Williams>So this is the image that Councilor Ryan was asking about.

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<v Millicent Williams>And to your point, instead of making it a panhandle, you'd like to make it a finger, or a finger versus a panhandle, or—.

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<v Dan Ryan>I just wanted to change the language from finger to panhandle.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>It felt more charitable.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Understood.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, just to be clear, there's the text, uh, would say the Lloyd— this is, uh, the Lloyd Event District will not include North Flint between North Page and North Russell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That could also be North Tillamook and North Russell depending on the, the side of the street, um, that's simply adjacent to the, um, the park, which is the Page part.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Or if you went all the way down to Tillamook, could be the part across the street from the school as well.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, it's Harriet Tubman in the park there, so it'd be North Tillamook to North Russell on North Flint.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's the—.

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<v Wendy Cully>Russell, that's the proposal.

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<v Wendy Cully>And I—.

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<v Kristen Hull>Sorry, the, um, the block faces, um, approaching on Tillamook are not proposed to be part of the enhanced event district.

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<v Kristen Hull>Um, if we go forward one slide—.

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<v Dan Ryan>No, it goes from right now, it goes from North Tillamook to North Russell on Flint at, at $5.40.

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<v Wendy Cully>Right, exactly.

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<v Wendy Cully>Oh yes, okay.

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<v Wendy Cully>And so you would like no event parking on those blocks?

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<v Dan Ryan>Based on what I've listened to, I'm questioning why we would just— if we could narrow it by one block instead of having it be the 3 blocks from North Tillamook to North Russell, have it just be the 2 and not include North Flint.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is that what you've been hearing as well?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, it would be the— so the, the— you can see here that the upper portion of the map, it's the west side and east side of Vancouver, the west side of Williams.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's what's being proposed that is not a controversial part.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then the east side of Flint is the part that we're talking about potentially excluding from basically where it gets a little covered up by the I-5 off-ramps at Tillamook all the way up to Northeast Russell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And there's Page is the unmarked street in between those 2 horizontal streets on this map.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So that's the shorter version is from Flint, from Russell to Page.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The longer version is Flint from Russell to Tillamook.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>But it's both sides of the street and it's north, not northeast.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we have some folks who are signed up for public testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We've got some really good technical and clarifying questions, but I also hear some conversation around amendments and some other further discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So— Council President?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have a question.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Related to the discussion that was just happening while this map is up.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do you mind?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, go ahead, and then we're going to get to public discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, I will not skip you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll come back to you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It's after.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just want to make sure I understand the proposal that my colleagues in District 2 are bringing forward.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is the first that I've heard about this.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So as I understand it right now, both sides of all 3 streets are under this permit requirement?

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<v Dan Ryan>Correct.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is that correct?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we are looking at taking an area that already has a patchwork of different types of, um, permit or not, paid or not, different levels of paid event or not.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So there's already a patchwork here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So in the proposal that you are bringing forward today, what exists currently on North Flint Avenue on those 3 blocks?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So the current zoning is and what does the proposal before us today put in place on North Flint Avenue on those 3 blocks?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What is the change in this proposal?

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<v Kristen Hull>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, I can answer that.

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<v Kristen Hull>Um, the ordinance today is simply to change the, um, the meter rate on the blocks that are outlined in red on the screen from $5.40 to $8 an hour.

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<v Kristen Hull>The proposal today that PBOT is bringing does not propose any changes in what Councilor Ryan has called the Panhandle, those blocks north of Tillamook on Flint, Vancouver, and Williams.

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<v Kristen Hull>And so that is outside of today's proposal, but it's definitely something we've been hearing about from both council members and community members through this outreach process.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But the proposal today, as I understand it, does not expand the permit area at all.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It just frankly further creates patchwork in terms of the pricing so that you can address those areas where folks weren't able to find street parking.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is that accurate?

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<v Kristen Hull>It addresses an area that where the land use is primarily residential, and we want to make sure that those residents who have purchased permits from the city are able to Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call our public testimony?

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<v Keelan McClymont>We have Miranda Martin.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Miranda Martin.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, that's all we had signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, well, easy enough.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Miranda, if you come in late because you thought it was later on the agenda, we'll find you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Green, and colleagues, we are now into full council discussion, not just technical and clarifying questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Green kicks off.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I just, uh, thank you, Council President.

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<v Mitch Green>I just want to clarify, this was a— which block are you trying to exempt?

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<v Dan Ryan>Councilor, it's—.

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<v Mitch Green>We're not into discussion of the amendment yet, but I wanted to pick up on that conversation.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, it's North Flint, so there's 3 blocks.

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<v Dan Ryan>There's Williams, Vancouver, and Flint.

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<v Dan Ryan>Williams and Vancouver have both commercial and densely populated residential, and they really do want this.

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<v Dan Ryan>Along North Flint, half of the site is the Harriet Tubman School in the park, and the other side is predominantly commercial.

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<v Mitch Green>And it's where Lazydays is?

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<v Dan Ryan>And that's— yes.

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<v Dan Ryan>And they're, um, they've been impacted by this quite, um, considerably since it's been implemented.

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<v Mitch Green>I, I guess I— what I think I'm struggling with is on that map, it does not look like that is part of the proposed 8.

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<v Mitch Green>Am I missing something?

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<v Sameer Kanal>No.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so— oh, you're correct, it is not part of the proposed 8.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's the 540 that's that's the conversation.

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<v Dan Ryan>They have a lower rate.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, but they're still being added.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And the numeral 5 is this up at the top here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That vertical line that goes behind the 5, for those following along, is the road we're talking about.

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<v Mitch Green>And so you want to—.

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<v Mitch Green>What, maybe I'll wait for the amendment to be introduced, uh, see the specific language.

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<v Mitch Green>I think my sort of reaction to this is if we're doing something ad hoc relative to the zone approach, then won't that just incentivize people to park over there during game day?

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<v Mitch Green>Like, how does that not then just become the overflow spot for people trying to evade the $8 rate?

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<v Dan Ryan>Not a—.

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<v Mitch Green>Well, they wouldn't because they want their customers to drink, right?

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<v Mitch Green>And if they're at the Moda Center and their car is just parked there, it's just being stored there.

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<v Mitch Green>Well, that's— hey, I always take the bus to the bar.

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<v Mitch Green>But, uh, uh, I guess that's where I'm going with this, and I— maybe I'll wait to see the formal amendment because I think there's something I'm missing here, but I worry about the sort of patchwork deviation creating the very—.

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<v Dan Ryan>Oh, I always worry about stuff like this.

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<v Dan Ryan>This is rare for me to want to speak up on with such an edit.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, the $8 area that was added, that is where the pain point has mostly been.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then it's also been extended, hence you can see that this panhandle does really stick out.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's different than some of our event districts where it's a little bit tighter.

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<v Dan Ryan>So that's why we keep mentioning the Panhandle that has been called a finger.

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<v Steve Novick>So it's down, it's, it's south of I-5 there?

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<v Steve Novick>No.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's north.

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<v Dan Ryan>Well, though, I-5 is to the west, Councilor.

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<v Dan Ryan>I could go on a lovely walk with you over there if you'd like.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, there's 3 blocks.

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<v Dan Ryan>In the panhandle.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay, so you want to come out of the Zone 5 permit area, not come out of an $8 rate area?

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<v Steve Novick>I think that's the thing that would be—.

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<v Dan Ryan>Absolutely.

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<v Dan Ryan>We're not talking about anything but see North Tillamook, and then you see North Russell.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, just hang out in there, and then it's just on the very west side of that is North Flint.

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<v Mitch Green>So you just want that, that block or just that sort of part to be not part of the shaded Zone 5.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm struggling to see the value of adding that.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yes.

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<v Dan Ryan>And currently it's the confusion of the signage, actually.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I do want to thank you again for remedying that, if in fact these sandwich signs work.

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<v Dan Ryan>Because so I got to experience what their headache was about myself because I spent time reading the 4 signs to try to figure out what they were saying to me.

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<v Dan Ryan>And it was really clear that I didn't want to park there.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I can imagine— I got to experience why customers haven't been going there since those signs were put up.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay.

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<v Mitch Green>All right.

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<v Mitch Green>Well, I think I understand what you're trying to do.

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<v Mitch Green>I think the thing I— you know what, it's your district.

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<v Mitch Green>I think I'll leave my questions be, but I do think it just creates an incentive for people to leave their parks there.

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<v Mitch Green>Their cars there for a long period of time and get in the way of the commercial traffic.

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<v Mitch Green>But I'll just, I'll just leave it at that.

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<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just, um, I want to make a note about the underline and the $8 area.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I had the opportunity to meet with PBOT about this.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There has been a lot of conversation in my district about this parking area generally.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There is a significant patchwork in this area.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are some places that are never paid and some that are always paid and some that are sometimes paid at different rates.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that's led to a lot of confusion.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just want to reiterate up here what I asked in that one-on-one meeting, which is that we increase information, information left on cars in the neighborhood before enforcement starts so that folks who live in the neighborhood who have not had the opportunity yet to purchase permits to reserve guest permits or to take advantage of the reduced-cost permits have the ability to do that.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also asked that when enforcement occurs, that if PBOT is going to try to ensure that this is an area where parking is available for residents, they put the resources toward enforcement, at least in the first few weeks of an event.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Season to drive that point home, that this is not kind of a halfway done thing, um, and that there is clarity about when it's time to pay and when it's not time to pay, which it sounds like my colleagues in D2 have asked about as well.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I just want to confirm with you both up here today that those things are all underway so that this reaches its intended purpose, but residents and businesses who have folks coming for events or staff who are worried about those guest permits know what their options are, how to access those options, and also so that people have clear, like I said, information about that reduced-cost permit to make sure that there's not a barrier for folks based on income.

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<v Kristen Hull>All of those things are in progress.

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<v Kristen Hull>We've identified games or events in this early part of the season where we can really focus on enforcement, and we actually have staff In addition to our enforcement officers, PBOT staff out talking with folks about, um, about paying and understanding their responsibility to pay if they're parking in the event district without a permit, as well as doing additional outreach to residents in the permit area.

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<v Kristen Hull>And I will note that we've also begun some outreach on the Panhandle area north of Tillamook to talk about how we might, with the interests of all the, all the stakeholders in mind, come up with some proposed solutions to address the issues that Lazydays is having, but without disregarding the, um, the permit holders who live in that area as well and might expect to have their— the permit they've already purchased, um, be consulted before we make changes that affect the, um, usefulness of that permit going forward.

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<v Kristen Hull>So we've begun some outreach with— there are, um, there's one in place, uh, on Flint, one in place, uh, multifamily housing is right next door to Lazydays, um, where we have— I think we have, um, I think about 3 dozen permit holders in that area, um, total in that the Panhandle area.

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<v Kristen Hull>So we just want to make sure we're consulting with, um, the business owner, the school, and the residents in that area before you make any changes to the Panhandle.

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<v Kristen Hull>We are though immediately making some of the changes that Councilor Ryan referred to in terms of trying to improve the signage offering Lazydays some kind of graphical resources that can help with clearer communication in the short run.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you very much for confirming all of that.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate it.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And thank you for the work that folks at PBOT are doing to make sure that the balance here is working for as many folks in the neighborhood as possible.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's my sense that this was really just a first step given the fact that games are starting.

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<v Olivia Clark>We need to do something now, but it's part of a larger effort to do the North Northeast Parking Plan.

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<v Olivia Clark>So that's still coming, but this was, I think, meant an interim step meant to deal with the pressure that comes from the games.

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<v Olivia Clark>Is that, is that right?

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<v Olivia Clark>Do you want to add anything about the, the coming plan, the larger plan?

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<v Kristen Hull>Um, we also have, have a prepared North Northeast Parking Plan We finished work on it long enough ago that we want to do some more stakeholder consultation to make sure new businesses that have come in also understand how that parking plan might affect their future and have an opportunity to participate.

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<v Kristen Hull>So we're refreshing that public engagement now and we'll be ready to come back to you early in 2027 with the full Northeast Parking Plan.

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<v Kristen Hull>The first thing we'll be asking you to do is directing us to set up a stakeholder advisory committee to do the plan implementation.

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<v Kristen Hull>So there's a lot of details to work out, but Councilor Clark, you're exactly right.

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<v Kristen Hull>It is— this is wanting to not— we want to make sure that we're responding to the needs of this particular group of neighbors at the beginning of the very busy event season, even as we continue that outreach and, and talking with all of you about the larger plan.

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<v Olivia Clark>I really appreciate you trying to get ahead of the game situation, but I think my colleagues in District 3 need to know that Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I want to first acknowledge PBOT.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>This has been a good dialogue.

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<v Dan Ryan>I do think that we have to continue to land the right action for just North Flint for 2 to 3 blocks, I believe it is, on both sides of the street.

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<v Dan Ryan>I've heard that there's one permit in that specific area, and I think that we need to make sure that we're the majority are in the part of the Panhandle that has— because that's where the issue has been.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I think that we might need to wait until we— I'd like to do more outreach with a couple of the businesses along there to see if this solves all of their problems, or if in fact it would be necessary.

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<v Dan Ryan>And that is what I heard when I was around them.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is to add those 3 blocks between Tillamook and Russell on just North Flint, nothing else.

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<v Dan Ryan>So if this first reading means that we slow walk it or you wait until there could be an amendment next week that we have more clarity about, if in fact we need one, that's where I'm at today.

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<v Dan Ryan>I don't think we just— I don't want to support this as it is right now.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>Until I know that we remedied this challenge that I don't think we were foreseeing, because you, again, you handled 90% of this really well.

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<v Dan Ryan>And the biggest headache that's been going on for years is the area that's $8.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's where I was always hearing from constituents.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So yeah, I think the multifamily— thanks for being here, Kristen— the multifamily that building that you're referring to, is that the one you're talking about on the backside of, of Lazydays?

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<v Sameer Kanal>So the one that actually borders Vancouver, like egress is— okay, so that wouldn't be directly affected by, by this in the sense of residents having, um, the parking they would normally try to go to on Vancouver being, um, exempted, um, and, and therefore filled with, with, uh, eventgoers.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But Flint would.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so this is the— Yeah.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Agreed with— I think it's It's 3 blocks in the normal grid, 2 blocks in this particular area because there's long blocks there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But the amendment that we were looking at would be to the ordinance, Part B in the directives, just adding at the end the text that I read earlier, which is the Lloyd Event District will not include North Flint between North Russell and either, you know, Pager or Tillamook here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We can write that amendment.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I, I'm assuming if you have— there may be a better way that PBOT would want to do it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so I'm okay if you take the first try.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think that does what Councilor Ryan is talking about in terms of we, we need a second reading and then probably a third reading for it in that scenario if we were giving them time to come back.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But, or we can just do this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think that it's, it's a pretty straightforward sentence.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's like 13 words.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So, you know, I don't want to necessarily move it if there's a particular reason not to do it that way, but I wanted to raise it.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we're going to— we're in the process of reducing to writing and sending to the clerk just to have it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But yeah, again, end of Part B, the Lloyd Event District will not include North Flint between North Tillamook and North Russell.

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<v Wendy Cully>Oh yeah, we— I think we need to do some investigation on how this was formed and what, what we might need to undo to take these blocks out and who we need to talk to.

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<v Wendy Cully>Oh, I don't think I introduced myself before.

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<v Wendy Cully>Uh, Wendy Cully, interim PBOT director, for the record.

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<v Kristen Hull>And the concern is that, um, there are some— and I am not the right person to answer this question, so I'm going to preface this— there are some staff has flagged for me that there are some code issues in terms of the actual process for making those changes, and I just want to make sure that what we're, what we're proposing today is consistent with the requirements in code.

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<v Kristen Hull>Our project manager for this work is on vacation today, and she would be able to answer all of those questions, but I just know she's flagged for me that there are some steps we would need to follow.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I appreciate you both being here and, and filling in.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Sorry.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Steve Novick>I just want to make something absolutely clear that I think I know the answer to.

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<v Steve Novick>All that PBOT is coming up to us today to talk about is increasing from $5.40 to $8 along the red lines.

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<v Steve Novick>The $5.40 and the 3 blocks that the 2 councilors are talking about is a pre-existing condition, not something that your proposal is doing anything about.

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<v Wendy Cully>That's correct.

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<v Wendy Cully>That, that pre-existing condition went into effect last January.

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<v Steve Novick>Last January?

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<v Wendy Cully>Or maybe late December.

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<v Wendy Cully>Yeah.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You know I love to unwind some parking increases, so I'm not going to do that today.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, but I just— if this works for the neighborhood, if it doesn't work for the neighborhood, I just wanted to signaled to my colleagues, like, I hope that you District 2 councilors will make yourselves very clear for where you're at, because my plan is to support wherever the majority of you vote.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Because, like, this is a great example of— I'm going to defer to the district councilors on it.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I say that mostly as advice for the county— excuse me, the city administrator and for the council president.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'm just going back to practices with district councilors, district commissioners at Multnomah County.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>This is an item that would've absolutely been walked into every commissioner's office who represented that area to make it clear so that most of this discussion would've happened already so that there was deep clarity in a way that I think actually could be quite supportive so that we can just see District 2 looks like they are satisfied.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>We aren't in that practice very well, and I think we aren't in that practice because we are using committees as a crutch, and it ignores the district aspect often.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I would just use this as an example because this has been a good discussion, and maybe it didn't have to happen this long.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I, I just— there's a role here for districts.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>There's a role for walking the floor that the City of Portland hasn't quite gotten its practice into that I think would be a great return, and this is a good example.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I just wanted to highlight that of this should have been walked to the floor.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>District 2 should have been satisfied.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>If they couldn't be, then worthy of it, but offer that up.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But hopefully to my District 2 colleagues, you will all make yourselves known how you're going to vote eventually, because I plan to support wherever the majority is at.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And just, uh, to my colleagues, just to note, this is a first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, we are— we have the ability to I'd like to just sort of clarify for my colleagues that if we move this to second reading today, um, and next week the councilors from D2 determine that in fact this is a vital amendment that must happen now, uh, we can move it to a second, second reading in order to actually pass it that way.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So, um, unless we are convinced that this is the direction we're ready to move to introduce an amendment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So, um, jumping back into the queue of colleagues, Councilor Ryan followed by Green.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I wanted to just read this from the gentleman who owns the brewery that we've been talking about.

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<v Dan Ryan>This was implemented on January 1st.

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<v Dan Ryan>First of all, I know we've kind of gone back and forth on the exact date.

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<v Dan Ryan>January 1st, 2026, to include the stretch of North Flint in front of our brewery, our sales have dropped to the point where my former staff of 9, including a general manager, 5 bartenders, 3 cooks, is now a single bartender and myself.

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<v Dan Ryan>With enforcement in full gear, we noticed the drop of sales around March, which continued through the summer.

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<v Dan Ryan>And this is— I really think this is me adding something that he didn't write— that's around the sign confusion that has caused this, which started as a cut to prep hours eliminated the closure of our kitchen in September.

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<v Dan Ryan>So implementing this in January has had a very big impact on this business in Portland, and we're trying to really be more sensitive to our small businesses.

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<v Dan Ryan>This is those of us in our district listening to that and realizing that a policy that we put in motion has had harm on this business.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so we're trying to fix that before we formalize it further.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so thank you for having more time to get this right.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I— to, to Councilor Novick's point, the thing on the table is just changing the area with the orange stripes.

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<v Mitch Green>So why don't you two bring forward a code change proposal to deal with that other piece outside of this process and let this piece move forward so we can actually put in practice the parking scheme that will actually help prevent these neighbors in this neighborhood from losing access to parking during a game.

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<v Mitch Green>That would be my suggestion.

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<v Dan Ryan>Can I say something to that?

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00:49:22.045 --> 00:49:22.478
<v Dan Ryan>It won't take long.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think it'll be helpful.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's like exactly what we're trying to do.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I think that this dialogue we're having with PBOT, having you help create amendment with us, is the right action going forward.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we're not going to do that right now up here on the dais.

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<v Dan Ryan>So allow us between this week and next week to work together to see what that might look like.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is that fair?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, we're happy to help.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I think it's better than us crafting it.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'd rather have you stay in the game because this is what you know best.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, you still have the floor.

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<v Mitch Green>Well, yeah, I think what I, what I'm saying though is now we have to delay— we have to keep having readings on this.

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<v Mitch Green>If we're going to bring back an amendment next week, then it goes to another reading.

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<v Mitch Green>So we just— we're just going to keep talking about this where we could just acknowledge that you're— you can create a side process and work on that with PBOT and get it right and bring it forward to the committee, and we could just move this to a second reading next week.

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<v Mitch Green>That's, that's what I would advocate.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Yeah, I just want to second that.

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<v Steve Novick>I mean, I don't— in general, I don't think it's good process to hold something we all agree on hostage while we deal with something new.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I appreciate this question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think— I don't think that the intention here from Councilor Ryan, and I can guarantee it's not from me, is holding this hostage or trying to hold it up.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I think either way, we're going to— if based on what Councilor Ryan said, which I agree with, we're going to end this first reading and put it into second reading.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The question is whether next week we would be bringing back an amendment that would require a third reading effectively, uh, if it should pass.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I would say that this is not a standalone document about the red outlined pieces on this map that we're all still seeing on our screen.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's part Well, more than 2, but it's the next step in the plan that included earlier the creation of the blue area altogether.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So this is parts of a whole, and it may not relate— it's a correction to Part 1 at the next time we talk about it, which is right now talking about Part 2, based off of what we learned from the implementation of Part 1.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I do think it's relevant and appropriate to reference it here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Herbold.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's also worthwhile to try and solve the problem while we're in the next time we're talking about the same broader project.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Having said that, you know, if we were to go to second reading next week and not pass an amendment, we would still finish this at the same schedule we would if this amendment was never floated or discussed or brought forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So basically next week we'll have hopefully a proposal that's been worked with by staff and by a couple, at least, of the D2 councilors.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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00:52:19.467 --> 00:52:23.286
<v Sameer Kanal>And then colleagues would know what the, what the trade-offs are of passing that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's how I would view, how I would characterize what the discussion is on this and what the process is.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think I'm seeing Councilor Ryan nod.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I want to remind us that we have rules that would allow us to get this amendment right and then have an emergency clause on the dais and get 9/12 votes to pass it.

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<v Dan Ryan>And something tells me it'll pass.

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00:52:42.282 --> 00:52:43.516
<v Dan Ryan>We're just trying to figure out this one thing.

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<v Dan Ryan>So the timing isn't off as long as we do the emergency clause next week.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan, did you have further comment?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, did you have further comment?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, I'm going to now pass this item to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call our time-certain item, item 15, document 2026-343.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Amend the Portland Zoning Code, Portland Comprehensive Plan Map, and zoning maps to facilitate housing production and post-pandemic economic recovery and revitalization in the Central City.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Amend Title 33, Portland Comprehensive Plan Map, official zoning maps.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the continued first reading of a land use ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The oral and written records are closed.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have 2 amendments that have been pre-filed for consideration, and we have staff available for technical questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>At this point, I would like to— I am bringing with Councilor Avalos a technical amendment on behalf of our colleagues at BPS.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And so I would ask the appropriate team member to come briefly describe the technical amendment for us before I pass to Councilor Avalos for additional remarks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Or not.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you so much.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Good afternoon, Council President, Vice President, councilors.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Um, do we— yeah, so we have a brief presentation that provides an overview of the amendments.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Um, they are— okay, so we'll bring that up and we'll go through that.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay, pardon for that delay.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Uh, good afternoon again.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So my name is Patricia Dieffendorfer, a chief planner with the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I'm joined here by Rachel Hoy, who is a supervising planner in the bureau.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Um, As noted, we— this is providing a quick overview of the proposed amendments.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Next slide, please.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So there are 2 technical amendments, one related to development standards for ground floor residential uses and another related to making some minor updates to a greenway inventory map that reflects natural resource— the location of natural resources.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So to go into just a little more detail, this amendment, again, related to development standards that would be applicable to ground floor residential standards, just clarified provisions related to the fact that an entrance must be located from— and a pedestrian connection from the street, and setbacks and spatial requirements.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>For porches and patios for units that, um, front— that are on the ground floor that front a street.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And this is, um, these amendments were identified, uh, to— that clarify language that was consistent with what the Planning Commission's intention was, uh, related to this amendment.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So you can see the gray are the, the change— the changes in the language.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And if you go to the next slide, it's— there are 2— it's listed twice because there are 2 options.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>There's an option related to when, um, an entrance is raised above the sidewalk and when an entrance is more or less at sidewalk grade.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But the provisions are the same.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So next slide, please.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And then this again just shows the map that is being amended or updated.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It is a map in the Greenway Inventory, and it shows the areas where natural— the rankings of natural resources.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And this amendment is necessary to support the recommended amendments in the proposal that, uh, that, um, adjust the location of the river environmental overlay zone within, uh, Tom— Governor Tom McCall Waterfront Park.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay, so those are the 2, um, technical amendments.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, thank you, Council President, for helping to introduce this, uh, clarifying amendment.

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<v Candace Avalos>I think that ultimately this is just to more clearly reflect the intent of the Planning Commission, uh, Planning and Design Commission, um, and then specifically clarifying requirements for the street-facing entrance and setbacks and the small porch or patio areas that we discussed.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, and these, uh, are technical.

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<v Candace Avalos>They don't change the policy intent or the underlying package, but they make sure that the code language and maps accurately implement what was intended.

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<v Candace Avalos>So thanks again.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, at this time I would like to move Dunphy-Avalos 1, which incorporates both of these 2 technical changes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I would— Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Avalos seconds.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, is there any discussion of this amendment?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, pausing for a second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue for discussion of this technical amendment, Keelan, can we please call the roll on Dunphy-Avalos 1?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Dunphy, seconded by Avalos.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clerk Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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00:58:49.114 --> 00:58:49.291
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, you have a pre-filed amendment as well.

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<v Mitch Green>Uh, thank you, Council President.

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<v Mitch Green>Colleagues, I feel like it's been a while since we talked about this, so, uh, Refreshing my notes here for myself.

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<v Mitch Green>But on the item page, you'll see the proposed text.

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<v Mitch Green>And so what Green 1 does is remove the discretionary shadow study for areas outside of the central city.

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<v Mitch Green>And, or I should say, let me step back a little bit.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, so, oh gosh.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm sorry.

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<v Mitch Green>Give me one moment here.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, okay.

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<v Mitch Green>So I reached out to staff.

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<v Mitch Green>I received some recommended amendments from some community members who have, you know, thoughts and opinions about how the Central City Plan should go.

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<v Mitch Green>Knowing that you don't want to just haphazardly amend on the fly planning documents, I reached I reached out to staff and BPS and asked for some guidance and some advice on these amendments.

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<v Mitch Green>There were 2 of them that the recommendation was, you know what, this is not appropriate for this process.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I didn't push those forward.

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<v Mitch Green>But then staff said there is one that we actually do think we can amend.

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<v Mitch Green>And that was a suggestion to remove one piece of the discretionary shadow review.

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<v Mitch Green>Staff's rationale for that was based upon 3 figures.

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<v Mitch Green>Yes.

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<v Mitch Green>One is that residential lots adjacent to the central city are small, and at least a few of them will be 100% covered by a shadow at noon or 3 p.m. on particular days of the year.

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<v Mitch Green>And 2, despite number one, because the proposal requires the portion of the tower above 100 feet to have a narrow floor plate, the resulting narrow slender tower will cast a very narrow shadow and will move very quickly.

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<v Mitch Green>So this is really just about that unlimited height.

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<v Mitch Green>Piece in the discretionary shadow review.

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<v Mitch Green>And then 3, Waterfront Park is large enough that no individual building will cast a shadow that leaves the park 50% covered by shadow.

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<v Mitch Green>So Patricia, would you be willing to sort of add some color to that from BPS's perspective?

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Sure, I can.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>We have a slide with the language.

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<v Mitch Green>Oh, that's even better.

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<v Mitch Green>I didn't know you did.

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<v Mitch Green>So I think it was also online.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It's been online since the previous meeting on this item.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But just to clarify, I think Councilor Green summed it up pretty well that there was this amendment because this project proposed an unlimited height track, which is a new track, a new way of achieving height in the central city that doesn't exist currently.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Because of that, staff used a combination of some existing regulations and tried to apply them to this.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Unlimited height option.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so in doing so, kind of in an abundance of caution, there was— we drew on a provision that exists in the zoning code currently that allows for shadow analyses, and specifically when you're within a certain distance of residential areas outside of Central City.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And it introduces— this is already in the code that there's a that one instance is an instance in which you do not have to have— the shadow analysis is not subject to the standards of the code, but rather to a review body determining whether there's an impact or not.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So we extrapolated that, but for the reasons that Councilor Green just outlined, in these 2 instances, particularly in the unlimited height where there is this narrower tower, we did— we are not concerned about— we're not as concerned about that.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So removing that requirement seemed like a reasonable accommodation for this request.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And just by way of just a note, the requirement will remain for shadow analysis in the existing base and bonus system.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so I think that that is kind of the overview of that issue.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>And thanks for reinforcing that last point.

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<v Mitch Green>This doesn't do away with the need to do shadow analysis.

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<v Mitch Green>It's just that sort of, if you're going to go from 75 feet to 100 feet or sort of that larger piece where you're dealing with a narrow tower.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Right.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And it sort of limits the scope of that shadow analysis where there isn't the— it's not subject to the objective standard and subject more to that discretionary you know, determination of impact.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so keeping— not requiring that kind of doesn't involve using that more discretionary process as much.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>And I see some hands going up, and I'll just leave it with a motivation of my own.

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<v Mitch Green>We talk a lot about what can we do to make it easier to build in the City of Portland that are sort of of what are some non-direct budgetary impact things that we can do to subsidize the construction process.

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<v Mitch Green>And any opportunity I see to take away something that adds a step to the process and hence cost and time, I'm always looking to do.

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<v Mitch Green>And so working with BPS to say, hey, this doesn't undermine the broader sort of general need to make sure that someone doesn't lose access to sunlight and all that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I thought that that would be a good improvement.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So looks like Councilor Clark, you're the first one in the queue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Are you going to move your amendment?

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<v Mitch Green>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I would move Green 1.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And look for a second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green moves Green 1.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick seconds.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, to discussion?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Green, I'm trying to get my head around this to understand.

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<v Olivia Clark>Are we— how is this going to impact the housing development.

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<v Olivia Clark>I want to make sure I understand what you're saying, and because I feel like we need to get out of our own way lots of times.

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<v Olivia Clark>I think that's what you're saying, is how do we facilitate, simplify, get rid of things?

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<v Olivia Clark>But the, the shadow analysis exists now, so I want to understand, are we simplifying?

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<v Olivia Clark>Is this going to make it easier to build affordable housing or any housing downtown?

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<v Olivia Clark>What's the impact of this?

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

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<v Mitch Green>It's a good question, and Patricia can correct me, but they added an unlimited height track based upon an iteration with the Planning Commission.

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<v Mitch Green>So the Planning Commission was like, we actually think we should be able to go larger in some parts of the city.

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<v Mitch Green>And as part of that sort of add, they applied some existing shadow study guidelines to that piece.

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<v Mitch Green>So it carried forward an underlying shadow study piece, but what I'm trying to do is say, well, because we're looking at skinny towers and because we're sort of narrow or very hyper-focused on a part of downtown, we shouldn't apply the shadow study to the, to the 75 to 100 feet piece.

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<v Mitch Green>So I'm trying to take off that extra thing that the BPS added out of abundance of cautious— caution.

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<v Olivia Clark>Okay, I appreciate that, that you're, you're trying to facilitate more development.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm trying to facilitate more development.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm trying to say, is there a piece of red tape we can take away?

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<v Olivia Clark>Gotcha.

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<v Olivia Clark>Perfect.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So why should we keep a shadow study whatsoever?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You're asking a— oh, actually, I, I, I'm actually— I would like to first go to staff, but then I, I kind of want to—.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I'll go back to you, Councilor, because as I go through the unlimited height section My impression is it's a headline with no substance, and I don't like that because we look like a city who has so many colors of what you can do in one situation if the block is this way.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>The fact that there was a person that came and said, if you just tilt the building, it'll be okay—.

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<v Mitch Green>I get really worried here because, um, if you build and live in the central city, I think there's a general understanding of what that comes with.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I agree.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So tell me, what is the value of a shadow study?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I've never even heard the word until this process.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So the shadow study is a requirement that just allows for some modeling so that you can see when a tower is proposed, where the shadow of that tower is going to be.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And in the code, there are objective standards currently that say you're looking at 12 PM and 3 PM on equinox and solstice days, 'cause those are the days where your shadows are the longest.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so either the shortest or the longest, I guess I should say.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>That requirement, it's very common to have a shadow requirement.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It doesn't— I mean, the objective standards in the code currently say you cannot, and we have a slide that shows what it is if you'd like to see that, but it basically— Yeah.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It says at those hours, those particular hours on those particular days, you can't shade, shadow, or shade an area more than 50 or 75%, depending on what it is that you're shading.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so when you— the code currently has this base and bonus system, and I think the requirement is triggered, maybe Rachel can confirm this for me, when you're using the bonus height.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yes.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And when you're— the current base and bonus system, there's no requirement to kind of sculpt or narrow your building, your tower, as you go higher.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So that is one of the reasons why the shadow analysis is there, because you can go— you can do essentially 100% of your floor plate all the way up as high as you can do whatever your maximum height is.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>The way you're describing that makes it sound like that's a bad thing, and I'm looking at the building next door to us, and I know we can't build that anymore.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'd like to understand why we're framing it as a negative, because I, I'm not sure that I'm in the category of I want to go really high, but only if they're skinny little towers like we're seeing happen in some other cities.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I should say, so the example you give, I think, of the Portland building, No, no, Wells Fargo Building.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>A real big building.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah.

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<v Unidentified speaker>A real building.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Well, what I was going to say is it's not about shadowing anywhere.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It's specifically about shadowing open, specific mapped open spaces.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So in the central city, generally, a building can shadow another building, and one tower can shadow another tower.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>That is not at all what the shadow requirements are trying to address.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>The shadow requirements are pretty narrow, and they are narrowly to address specific mapped open spaces, namely the park blocks.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And then there's also consideration of lower-density residential areas directly outside of the central city boundaries.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So those are the only— That's basically past 12th on the northeast side.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah, exactly, right.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And that is an allowance so that if you go from lower, you eventually are ramping up, but we could have towers on the river in essence.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But not at maybe 11th because that would hit the non-central city growth zone.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>You could still have the tower.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>You just would have to have an understanding of what kind of shadow is being cast on adjacent low-density residential areas and determine if that's a significant enough impact that, you know, that the design of the tower should be— again, that tilt, that's actually a way that you address some of those those concerns that if there is, if it's deemed that there's a significant shadow, then sometimes just the way you design the building, where you site the tower on the lot or how you orient the tower on the lot can actually make a difference.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So that's, it's not meant, these shadow requirements are not meant to prevent tall buildings in the central city.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>They're very narrowly about tall buildings and how they would impact, they would shadow limited open spaces that are— Okay.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And the peripheral.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>That is a very helpful explanation for me.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I have a real tough time with the idea of a property is following the law, they are in land use compliance, but because the neighbors don't like it— and I mean neighbors very broadly, just people who seem to think they have a say on it— that there's an idea that they get to use, and they'll look and like shadow.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Now we're going to go and we're going to— my pen just broke— we're going to do that about shadow and say we're going to hold this up for a year and a half through a land use and LUBA and all this other garbage.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I really think that is preventing us from being effective.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And it was also this idea that if you don't own it, you can still control it through law.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And so this was giving me some of that, that flavor.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And maybe you've helped clarify that, and I really appreciate that.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Let me move to a next point, but relatedly in this height, because I, I am happy to see it, but not allowed in historic districts.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And Old Town Chinatown is a historic district, am I correct?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Yes.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I can't think of a place in this city that I would rather have a commercial rate contributing building than that neighborhood.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And it is such a depressed— and I use depressed in every way in which you might think of the word depressed— So I'm not sure I'm willing to carve out corridors of memories for the sake of them when there's nothing else going on.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, we've got to work on some stuff.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So how do we square this there?

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah, so just— this is simply applicable to the unlimited height.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>We're saying the unlimited height track doesn't apply in historic district because there's already a Yes.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>In many cases, there's a base and bonus option already there where the height has been calibrated to whatever the existing condition is.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So in the historic district, the heights— the properties in the historic district have— I believe they also have bonus heights, correct?

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I just want to confirm that.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>They have a height that is a permitted height, and then they have a bonus height that is allowed, and it's calibrated to the area and what the resource, you know, what is trying to be protected there in the case of historic district.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So all this amendment only applies to the unlimited height track, which is a brand new track, which was introduced through this project by the Planning Commission.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And we're just saying that unlimited height is not an option in the historic district.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>You still have the ability to, to do whatever the height is that's allowed by the base and bonus system of the, of the underlying code.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't want to— this I'll close with— I don't want to argue it too, too much more because I'm not sure how vast of a difference it would be there.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I just, I have this sense of if somebody approached if you approached one of those particular vacant lots in Old Town Chinatown and wanted to go to the moon with a building, I'd have a tough time saying, shucks, I don't think you should.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And so that's what I'm wrestling with because I just don't know that I hold those same— that same land use value around it and am kind of a let's get to yes wherever we can in the central city.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I say that because I— I agree.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I fundamentally believe that as you get out from the central city, the ramping up to heights is an important way that you get neighborhoods not to just reject wholly any sort of development.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But as a guy who represents the central city, I think we have to take on the highest towers, and I would look forward to it.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think it's actually a thing I hope I die when we have plenty of bigger towers in downtown Portland and we can look to that as growth.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So that's where I'm coming from.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But I— your amendment, Councilor, is making this shadow study applies less in this unlimited space as it was compared to what it was written originally.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, I understand that correct?

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, may I just direct respond?

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<v Mitch Green>So that's exactly right.

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<v Mitch Green>Just the, the area in red lines there, it's simply saying relative to this Planning Commission addition and all this unlimited stuff, I'm taking out this shadow study requirement.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>All the other things you said there, I— we're in strong agreement.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>So if you want to take on tall towers together, Councilor, let's do it.

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<v Dan Ryan>I just didn't want to go too deep.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>In this, because I know that you can't really pass a feasible amendment at this stage in land use process if you try to do too much at this stage.

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<v Dan Ryan>So that was my motivation.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I apologize for, for getting outside of just what Councilor Green's amendment was.

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<v Dan Ryan>I got to be reeled back in.

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<v Dan Ryan>So, but I appreciate it.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, we're just slightly outside, and this really is sort of a D4 issue.

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<v Olivia Clark>So just because we're kind of going down the rabbit hole in Old Town, I was just wondering, Patricia, what you— the way you were describing what you can build in Old Town, can you be a little more specific?

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<v Olivia Clark>Like, really, how high can you go in Old Town?

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Sure.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay.

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01:16:23.631 --> 01:16:25.845
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I'm going to have to rely on Rachel for that.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But I will say just as a bit of an intro to that, that Thank you.

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01:16:32.381 --> 01:16:37.779
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>This project, again, was not meant to be kind of a major wholesale update to the plan.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So keeping— there has been a long history of, you know, regulating height in the central city as it relates to view corridors, historic districts, in very, you know, fairly modest ways.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So just want to say that this is— we did not go into the the base and bonus system.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And, um, other than increasing— you, you remember the map where we increased heights, um, bonus heights in a lot, a lot of areas— we didn't change the basic parameters of how, how that system works.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But as far as Old Town specifically, I think I'll turn it over to Rachel and she can— Sure.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Good afternoon, Commissioners.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Rachel Hoy with Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I'm looking at some of our maps here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I mean, there's parts of Old Town where, um, you can go up to 250 feet with your bonus height.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Other areas where it's 425— I mean, I think the areas to pay attention to that are lower are the Skidmore, the Old Town, the Skidmore District, and 13th Avenue.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Those heights are capped at 75 feet.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So there's a lot of flexibility actually within and allows for bonus heights within Old Town, and for that matter, also in the Grand Avenue Historic District in the Central East Side.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And maybe I'll just note one other thing.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I think that illustrates that not all historic districts are treated the same.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I mean, Skidmore has a very— it's a National Historic District, and it has a very particular existing data point as far as height.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Whereas in other areas where heights are not as uniform, the height limitations are not as significant.

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<v Olivia Clark>Oh, thank you for that.

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<v Olivia Clark>It just sounds like there's a lot of variation in Old Town and heights.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You know, I appreciate, Councilor Green, that you went to the Bureau to figure out how to do this.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so we're hearing from the Bureau why works, but it was originally in here for a reason.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I'd actually like to hear from the Bureau why you had originally included this language and what goals we might be giving up if we choose to take it out.

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<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah, I, I think that it was included just, um, taking more of an approach of abundance of caution and just using similar, um, approaches that we already have in the code and applying them here.

895
01:19:09.395 --> 01:19:25.105
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But I think the significant difference and the difference that seemed, you know, was compelling was that we have the sculpting requirements, so the requirement that once you exceed 100 feet, you then have to make quite a narrow floor plate.

896
01:19:25.234 --> 01:19:33.483
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>You're limited to a 12,500-square-foot floor plate going up, no matter how big your lot is.

897
01:19:33.676 --> 01:19:49.481
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And that essentially If you have a 20,000-square-foot lot, for example, and your tower is 12,500 feet above 100 feet, you have a lot of area around you that naturally minimizes shadows.

898
01:19:49.675 --> 01:20:00.936
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And we have other areas in the central city that already have the unlimited height that I believe Pearl and River Place and South Portland—.

899
01:20:00.969 --> 01:20:02.372
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm hearing why not to do it.

900
01:20:02.550 --> 01:20:12.128
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm trying to understand why it was originally in here because we're supposed to have this policy debate, and I can't have that policy debate if I only hear why to take it out.

901
01:20:12.322 --> 01:20:14.904
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So originally this was included.

902
01:20:15.738 --> 01:20:19.523
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Was that simply to mirror code elsewhere?

903
01:20:19.747 --> 01:20:27.702
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Was that because there could still be impact, and in voting to remove it, we would be accepting that additional impact?

904
01:20:28.070 --> 01:20:29.225
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Why was it originally included?

905
01:20:29.274 --> 01:20:35.431
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I think it was originally in there just to be, again, to be consistent with code and out of an abundance of caution.

906
01:20:36.248 --> 01:20:57.865
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Um, I, I think that there we, we did acknowledge that particularly on the periphery of the central city, if you have towers that are at the edge of central city and, um, you know, that are near, uh, residential, low-density residential areas outside of central city, you will have shadow impacts to, to parcels.

907
01:20:58.764 --> 01:21:08.755
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Um, but the the narrower tower does limit the extent of time in which a lot would be shadowed.

908
01:21:08.885 --> 01:21:10.282
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So given—.

909
01:21:10.574 --> 01:21:12.493
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>2 Questions.

910
01:21:13.158 --> 01:21:23.269
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The narrow tower, the 12,500-square-foot limitation, is that for a single block, for a single lot?

911
01:21:23.416 --> 01:21:41.636
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Could it be that on a city block you actually have I don't know what the right number would be, but let's say 6 lots that all build to that height, whatever that is, and they all can because they're narrow, but it ends up taking up the bulk of the block because you have multiples of those on one block.

912
01:21:41.733 --> 01:21:44.027
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm trying to understand the cumulative potential impact.

913
01:21:44.091 --> 01:21:49.319
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah, there, there could be potentially more than one tower even though they're narrow.

914
01:21:49.944 --> 01:21:58.855
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I mean, our blocks are small, and typically on an, on On a tower, you would need, you know, and I'm going to— Half a block.

915
01:21:58.904 --> 01:22:01.659
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Like, you'd need half a block, so 20,000 square feet.

916
01:22:02.220 --> 01:22:03.454
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So it's unlikely.

917
01:22:03.711 --> 01:22:13.036
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I mean, if our blocks are 40,000 square feet, you'd have 2 20,000-square-foot sites on which you would conceivably have a tower.

918
01:22:13.180 --> 01:22:16.626
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It could— you could do it on something smaller, but it's less likely.

919
01:22:16.706 --> 01:22:26.828
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So, I mean, there are, you know, that is a consideration, but I think I think it is— there's a limited universe of what could happen.

920
01:22:28.162 --> 01:22:34.889
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And with Tom McCall Waterfront Park, do we look at the collective impact of shadows?

921
01:22:35.001 --> 01:22:46.465
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So presumably no one building would ever trigger this, and we would be asking people to do reviews for effectively no reason because the answer is never going to be too much of a shadow.

922
01:22:47.082 --> 01:22:52.037
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or do we, so is it just the singular impact of one building or do we look at the collective impact?

923
01:22:52.100 --> 01:22:54.590
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We already have this much shadow, so you can't do another.

924
01:22:54.990 --> 01:22:59.166
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I think we just, I believe we just do a single, you do not do a cumulative impact.

925
01:22:59.213 --> 01:23:00.979
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>You just look at the impact of the building.

926
01:23:01.092 --> 01:23:05.042
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>That's how the shadow regulations work.

927
01:23:05.974 --> 01:23:06.149
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

928
01:23:07.289 --> 01:23:22.759
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So effectively, because I think if this is, If we're removing something where we are going to be asking developers to take an extra step that will effectively never lead to a different decision, let's get it out of there.

929
01:23:22.838 --> 01:23:23.867
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's simplify things.

930
01:23:24.766 --> 01:23:36.157
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If this is going to mean that there are things that might not otherwise be approved but would be because we removed this, I want to make sure we understand the implications there.

931
01:23:36.204 --> 01:23:38.051
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So just a couple of notes on that.

932
01:23:38.100 --> 01:23:41.140
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>One is that Councilor Herbold.

933
01:23:41.430 --> 01:23:55.682
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>In the way the system works now, the, the review system works now, any tower in the central city, most development in the central city actually goes through a design review process, right, through the Design Review Commission.

934
01:23:56.293 --> 01:24:02.962
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So a shadow study wouldn't mean— the outcome of a shadow study wouldn't necessarily mean that you couldn't build the building.

935
01:24:03.140 --> 01:24:10.703
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It would just be a piece of information that would inform how the building is sited on the lot.

936
01:24:11.460 --> 01:24:12.122
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I understand that.

937
01:24:12.786 --> 01:24:21.140
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What I'm trying to— and let me just say up front here, I've got a lot of colleagues who are ready to build absolutely anything, which is great.

938
01:24:21.208 --> 01:24:22.586
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need more housing in our city.

939
01:24:24.371 --> 01:24:31.362
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also have a lot of constituents who are in Portland because our city looks different from New York or LA.

940
01:24:32.091 --> 01:24:33.654
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that's because of our land use laws.

941
01:24:34.076 --> 01:24:41.430
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So while I agree, Councilor, we need more housing, we need to build bigger towers, our downtown should look more like a downtown.

942
01:24:43.467 --> 01:24:44.483
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This isn't just D4.

943
01:24:44.997 --> 01:24:48.944
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This gets into D3 and D2 also when we're talking about our Central City District.

944
01:24:49.630 --> 01:24:53.506
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so I do want to make sure I understand what's happening on those peripheral edges.

945
01:24:53.780 --> 01:25:03.850
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And there are places where part of what makes Portland a special place is that we develop intentionally.

946
01:25:05.018 --> 01:25:06.493
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Our development needs to be easier.

947
01:25:07.743 --> 01:25:09.564
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Our development is going to need to get denser.

948
01:25:11.234 --> 01:25:15.949
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I'm at least one person up here who still wants us to be intentional about how we do that.

949
01:25:16.706 --> 01:25:30.511
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So if we keep this in, are there cases where we're going to say that's shadow actually is impactful and we need to review it?

950
01:25:31.170 --> 01:25:42.863
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or if we keep this in, functionally, is everything that comes up going to be something where we say that shadow is not enough of a shadow to be impactful, we just made you turn over another rock for no reason?

951
01:25:43.521 --> 01:25:59.550
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>In the case of towers on the periphery of the central city, that when they— the standard that would've been required, that would be required if this amendment didn't pass, for example, would be they would have to do a shadow study, and there's no specific standard that would have to meet.

952
01:25:59.742 --> 01:26:11.135
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>The code basically says the, the review body, which is— which would generally be the Design Commission, would have to make a determination about if there was a negative, significant negative impact.

953
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:12.096
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay.

954
01:26:12.289 --> 01:26:19.606
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So to answer the question, in the case of Tom McCall Park, it probably would be just turning a rock, and there'd be— there wouldn't be much of an outcome from it.

955
01:26:19.719 --> 01:26:45.636
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>But in the case of development on the periphery of the central city, if there— if a shadow study was done and the Design Commission in reviewing that project felt— made a determination that there was a significant negative impact of that shadow, then there would be an opportunity to ameliorate that in the design review process by looking at other designs, how the building could be oriented, and whether that shadow could be minimized.

956
01:26:45.908 --> 01:26:45.988
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Okay.

957
01:26:46.037 --> 01:26:55.610
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So it has more significance, I think, on the So in terms of creating, I think Councilor Zimmerman referred to that step, right?

958
01:26:55.658 --> 01:27:02.568
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We want things to be really tall and dense here and still tall and dense here and a little less and then out.

959
01:27:03.273 --> 01:27:12.136
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This could, in that step system, have an impact, maybe not in total height, but in how those buildings were oriented.

960
01:27:12.489 --> 01:27:13.627
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yes, it could.

961
01:27:13.771 --> 01:27:29.475
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Or alternatively, the Design Commission could see the impact, the, the results of the shadow study, and say, you know what, it does shadow some, some parcels, but it's, it's fast moving and it's only for a very limited amount of time, and we're, we're not going to consider it a negative impact.

962
01:27:29.523 --> 01:27:35.570
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So it really, it would be, it's a very case-by-case situation and analysis.

963
01:27:36.115 --> 01:27:36.661
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Great, thank you.

964
01:27:36.725 --> 01:27:38.009
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's really helpful to understand.

965
01:27:38.088 --> 01:27:38.649
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate it.

966
01:27:39.195 --> 01:27:40.430
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

967
01:27:40.735 --> 01:27:45.460
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, last word on, uh, this debate Um, thank you, Mr. President.

968
01:27:45.509 --> 01:27:58.957
<v Steve Novick>I really appreciate this discussion, um, and I just wanted to clarify for any casual listeners that in talking about discretionary shadow review, we are not referring to the Supreme Court's shadow docket, nor are we addressing the shadow who knew what evil lurks in the hearts of men.

969
01:28:00.510 --> 01:28:01.349
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

970
01:28:02.139 --> 01:28:03.413
<v Jamie Dunphy>Valuable as always.

971
01:28:03.850 --> 01:28:04.220
<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely.

972
01:28:04.494 --> 01:28:09.219
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue for debate, Keelan, can we please call the roll on Green 1?

973
01:28:10.268 --> 01:28:11.863
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Green, seconded by Novick.

974
01:28:12.009 --> 01:28:12.332
<v Keelan McClymont>Clerk?

975
01:28:13.542 --> 01:28:13.703
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

976
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:15.529
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

977
01:28:16.627 --> 01:28:16.997
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

978
01:28:17.337 --> 01:28:17.402
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

979
01:28:18.225 --> 01:28:18.453
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

980
01:28:18.792 --> 01:28:18.841
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

981
01:28:19.311 --> 01:28:19.587
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

982
01:28:20.332 --> 01:28:20.381
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

983
01:28:21.063 --> 01:28:21.289
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

984
01:28:21.873 --> 01:28:22.036
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

985
01:28:22.863 --> 01:28:23.317
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

986
01:28:23.672 --> 01:28:23.819
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

987
01:28:25.131 --> 01:28:25.505
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan?

988
01:28:26.578 --> 01:28:26.595
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

989
01:28:27.597 --> 01:28:28.067
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

990
01:28:28.488 --> 01:28:28.649
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

991
01:28:29.296 --> 01:28:29.878
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

992
01:28:30.429 --> 01:28:30.478
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

993
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:31.819
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

994
01:28:32.127 --> 01:28:32.159
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

995
01:28:32.742 --> 01:28:33.082
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

996
01:28:33.502 --> 01:28:33.631
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

997
01:28:34.408 --> 01:28:37.806
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with a vote of 11 ayes and 1 nay.

998
01:28:38.054 --> 01:28:39.351
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, thank you very much, colleagues.

999
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:45.248
<v Jamie Dunphy>This item is now continued to 2:15 PM on Thursday, November 5th, to adopt revised findings.

1000
01:28:45.313 --> 01:28:49.414
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is tentatively expected to return then on November 12th for a final—.

1001
01:28:49.462 --> 01:28:51.466
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Point of information, Mr. President.

1002
01:28:51.882 --> 01:28:55.503
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Did we ever have an opportunity to ask questions and— You're right, I'm not—.

1003
01:28:55.551 --> 01:28:56.417
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

1004
01:28:56.673 --> 01:28:57.314
<v Jamie Dunphy>I skipped a step.

1005
01:28:57.971 --> 01:29:03.387
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think this is the 3rd time that we have not had an opportunity to have broader discussion.

1006
01:29:03.564 --> 01:29:05.890
<v Jamie Dunphy>I over— I I skipped steps on my thing.

1007
01:29:05.987 --> 01:29:06.635
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're absolutely right.

1008
01:29:06.975 --> 01:29:10.878
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we are in discussion of the underlying now, and we're not moving it forward quite yet.

1009
01:29:11.007 --> 01:29:11.801
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize.

1010
01:29:11.850 --> 01:29:12.837
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1011
01:29:14.510 --> 01:29:17.936
<v Jamie Dunphy>Feel free to get into the queue for the now-amended underlying ordinance.

1012
01:29:18.018 --> 01:29:19.554
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, kick us off.

1013
01:29:20.630 --> 01:29:20.921
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1014
01:29:20.969 --> 01:29:25.529
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have a couple of questions and pieces of clarification.

1015
01:29:25.595 --> 01:29:29.864
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There was a— and I'm trying to read through my notes and remember because it's been a couple of meetings.

1016
01:29:30.007 --> 01:29:32.081
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm going to try to be brief now, so bear with me.

1017
01:29:34.011 --> 01:29:40.577
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There was conversation in the presentation about food carts in paved areas.

1018
01:29:42.126 --> 01:29:57.755
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Does that extend food carts in paved areas of our parks to all of our parks, or is that still limited by the work that Parks has been doing around having vending of different levels in different parks?

1019
01:29:59.349 --> 01:30:04.961
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Thank you for the question, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1020
01:30:05.300 --> 01:30:10.904
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>We do have a representative from Parks here, so perhaps they could help answer the question.

1021
01:30:11.033 --> 01:30:16.210
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>The code is really designed to expand the areas in which food carts are allowed.

1022
01:30:17.061 --> 01:30:19.557
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Parks was, you know, paved areas in parks was one example.

1023
01:30:21.667 --> 01:30:32.814
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And so I believe that Parks also has a process in place other permitting processes for anything that is going to exist in a park.

1024
01:30:33.752 --> 01:30:38.677
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So this just creates the sort of the floor, if you will, that it's, you know, it would be allowed.

1025
01:30:39.492 --> 01:30:40.173
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The allowance.

1026
01:30:40.304 --> 01:30:40.483
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

1027
01:30:40.547 --> 01:30:47.659
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do we know if Parks is intending on changing the work that they've already presented to Council on where they plan on taking advantage of this?

1028
01:30:49.613 --> 01:30:50.372
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I don't know that.

1029
01:30:50.420 --> 01:30:53.832
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I would have to defer to them, but I don't think this would affect that one way or another.

1030
01:30:54.890 --> 01:30:56.747
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, do we have anybody here from Parks?

1031
01:30:56.860 --> 01:30:57.398
<v Jamie Dunphy>That's a good question.

1032
01:30:58.970 --> 01:30:59.569
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on up.

1033
01:31:00.460 --> 01:31:01.788
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome to the hot seat.

1034
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:09.658
<v Laura Lillard>I do.

1035
01:31:09.802 --> 01:31:12.610
<v Laura Lillard>Hi, uh, Laura Lillard, uh, Portland Parks and Recreation.

1036
01:31:12.659 --> 01:31:13.837
<v Laura Lillard>I'm a capital project manager.

1037
01:31:14.483 --> 01:31:21.054
<v Laura Lillard>Um, I, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have information about the particular item related to food carts.

1038
01:31:22.016 --> 01:31:24.792
<v Laura Lillard>So I would have to come back to you to discuss this.

1039
01:31:25.483 --> 01:31:32.158
<v Laura Lillard>And I know I have Marty Stockton, who I just asked if she also had any information about what this would allow.

1040
01:31:33.024 --> 01:31:48.347
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But it would be helpful to understand if this is changing, if this change is going to change Parks' approach, or if the list we've gotten about how Parks is approaching vending in different parks Understood.

1041
01:31:48.867 --> 01:31:49.467
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you.

1042
01:31:50.570 --> 01:32:05.182
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, there was some conversation about changes in the EX and CX zoning and how that relates to light industrial allowances within those zones.

1043
01:32:06.002 --> 01:32:22.605
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Are we increasing, decreasing, or keeping the same the total square footage of light industrial what we're doing is creating more flexibility.

1044
01:32:22.814 --> 01:32:37.899
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So in fact, I would probably consider it on some level an increase because currently in the CX zone, there is a limitation on the size of individual more kind of manufacturing industrial uses.

1045
01:32:38.810 --> 01:32:52.851
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And the proposal would remove that limitation so that within the CX zone, which is found, I don't know if you remember the maps, it's red on the maps, it's found in a lot of areas, particularly in the western part of the central city.

1046
01:32:54.248 --> 01:33:00.398
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>And it would essentially allow more kind of manufacturing and production uses in those areas.

1047
01:33:01.457 --> 01:33:03.127
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>What is happening in the— Councilor Herbold.

1048
01:33:04.926 --> 01:33:06.851
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Yeah, I think that's the, the EX.

1049
01:33:06.996 --> 01:33:08.873
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I don't believe we're making any changes in the EX.

1050
01:33:08.938 --> 01:33:19.612
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>There was, there was some changes proposed to the IG-1, if you recall, and that was the— those are the industrial areas in the Central East Side largely, and, and there's some in the Lower Albina area.

1051
01:33:20.559 --> 01:33:24.329
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And, uh, those are changing to allow more retail sales space.

1052
01:33:24.411 --> 01:33:29.096
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>Exactly, those are changing to allow more retail sales and service space.

1053
01:33:29.774 --> 01:33:31.333
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do you know how much space is allowed now?

1054
01:33:31.430 --> 01:33:37.985
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think in the presentation it said 20,000 square feet of retail sales space under the proposal before us.

1055
01:33:38.097 --> 01:33:39.095
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What is that changing from?

1056
01:33:39.158 --> 01:33:47.670
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It's 5,000 now, and it would be— it would allow 20,000 with a 5,000 square foot limitation on individual—.

1057
01:33:47.677 --> 01:33:50.206
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>A limitation on individual?

1058
01:33:50.497 --> 01:33:51.190
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>On 5,000.

1059
01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:53.726
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>So right now it's 5,000 per site.

1060
01:33:54.682 --> 01:34:03.703
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>The per site allowance is increasing to 20,000 square feet, but there's There's still a limitation for 5,000 square feet per premise, if you will, per business.

1061
01:34:04.394 --> 01:34:11.104
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So if you have multiple industrial businesses within a building, each of them could have that retail sales space?

1062
01:34:12.005 --> 01:34:14.685
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>It's not really tied to the industry, I don't think.

1063
01:34:14.734 --> 01:34:18.025
<v Patricia Dieffendorfer>I'll let Rachel— it's just a max allowance on the site.

1064
01:34:18.105 --> 01:34:22.072
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, so you can have more retail sales locations.

1065
01:34:22.280 --> 01:34:25.667
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Each one has to be somewhat limited though.

1066
01:34:25.970 --> 01:34:27.832
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, 5,000.

1067
01:34:28.457 --> 01:34:28.537
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

1068
01:34:28.954 --> 01:34:41.916
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to raise here, colleagues, when we switch to more flexibility between our commercial and industrial space, that's great for that light industrial work that we need to make sure we retain in our central city.

1069
01:34:42.349 --> 01:34:51.314
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But it does mean that we move our industrial space to a higher value property by moving it to property that can be used for industrial or commercial.

1070
01:34:52.377 --> 01:35:06.289
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I hear a lot about the frustration that it used to be possible in Oregon to try something out new because we had all of this affordable warehouse space, affordable industrial space.

1071
01:35:07.203 --> 01:35:16.207
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And one of the things that this plan does is move us toward more of that mixed commercial industrial space that has a much higher lease point.

1072
01:35:16.913 --> 01:35:23.846
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And And I want us to think about how we make sure we continue to have affordable industrial space.

1073
01:35:24.537 --> 01:35:33.588
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have been asking some questions of Prosper Portland about how we might be able to use some of our economic development resources to help create those spaces within our city.

1074
01:35:34.583 --> 01:35:38.676
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that as we move forward with this plan, that becomes even more important.

1075
01:35:38.756 --> 01:35:42.431
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to raise that here as a preview.

1076
01:35:42.511 --> 01:35:43.395
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't have anything specific.

1077
01:35:43.443 --> 01:35:43.587
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1078
01:35:43.731 --> 01:35:47.958
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Coming, but this is a topic that I am going to try to find a way for us to address.

1079
01:35:48.650 --> 01:35:58.524
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we don't retain affordability in some of our light industrial spaces, we won't see the same things bubble up that we have in the past in Portland.

1080
01:35:58.621 --> 01:36:13.395
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think we have an opportunity to create more flexibility with our spaces and also make sure we have those opportunities for people to take a risk that our affordable industrial land in our central city has often allowed.

1081
01:36:14.469 --> 01:36:19.579
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that's the, the bulk of what I can interpret from our past meetings, so I'll stop there.

1082
01:36:19.659 --> 01:36:20.077
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1083
01:36:21.278 --> 01:36:22.207
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1084
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:23.041
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

1085
01:36:23.586 --> 01:36:28.969
<v Olivia Clark>Well, thank you for that, um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, and I assume you'll take that up in your committee at some point.

1086
01:36:29.194 --> 01:36:30.363
<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate those comments.

1087
01:36:30.475 --> 01:36:41.416
<v Olivia Clark>I just want to say how much I appreciate the work that you've done on, uh, looking at the central city plan in order to facilitate housing development and to remove regulatory barriers.

1088
01:36:41.512 --> 01:36:50.240
<v Olivia Clark>I just wanted to express my appreciation for this, and it's— I've already started talking about it out in the public that this is coming and it's going to be great.

1089
01:36:50.404 --> 01:36:51.552
<v Olivia Clark>So thank you so much.

1090
01:36:52.863 --> 01:36:53.770
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1091
01:36:54.158 --> 01:36:54.708
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1092
01:36:56.003 --> 01:36:57.720
<v Steve Novick>Yes, thank you, Mr. President.

1093
01:36:58.287 --> 01:37:10.542
<v Steve Novick>I just wanted to note, as we— the Central Eastside industrial folks had proposed taking some blocks in the Central East Side and EXing them, taking them out of industrial.

1094
01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:18.511
<v Steve Novick>And I just wanted to note that, and I did a tour of the area, and there are places where I, as like the layman, was like, okay, why is this block industrial and that block not?

1095
01:37:18.929 --> 01:37:25.775
<v Steve Novick>So I'm not going to hold this up today, but I just wanted to say that I expect that we'll have further conversations about those specific suggestions.

1096
01:37:27.154 --> 01:37:27.893
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1097
01:37:28.292 --> 01:37:31.131
<v Jamie Dunphy>And actually put myself in the queue, colleagues, for a very similar comment.

1098
01:37:31.243 --> 01:37:42.389
<v Jamie Dunphy>I was here back when we did the 2035 Comp Plan, and at that time, you know, state— we have state land use laws that obligate us to have a certain amount of industrial land inventory, and we are running out of that.

1099
01:37:42.501 --> 01:38:00.501
<v Jamie Dunphy>And every time we take a block of currently zoned industrial land and use it for something that is not industrial, often through conditional use, that puts additional pressure not in the central city, but it puts pressure on places like Colwood Golf Course, which has been zoned as industrial in order to meet our industrial land inventory.

1100
01:38:00.630 --> 01:38:11.801
<v Jamie Dunphy>And at the time it was said, well, we have plenty of actual demand or actual industrial space for the demand as we foresee it, so that we don't think Colewood Golf Course will ever get bulldozed and turned into industrial spaces.

1101
01:38:11.850 --> 01:38:25.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>But, and while I'm enthusiastic about the new and exciting opportunities of what we could do in the Central East Side, we have to also recognize that that is inherently an industrial area that is tied to our infrastructure, tied to our legal requirements.

1102
01:38:25.154 --> 01:38:25.346
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1103
01:38:25.815 --> 01:38:27.016
<v Jamie Dunphy>Obligations on the state.

1104
01:38:27.113 --> 01:38:30.597
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I'm not asking anything different of this.

1105
01:38:30.694 --> 01:38:49.110
<v Jamie Dunphy>I just want to flag this for my colleagues so that you know that every time we put, for example, a music venue on an entire city block of industrial land, that takes one full city block out of our industrial land inventory and puts additional pressures on open spaces that have been zoned industrial but are not industrial inherently.

1106
01:38:49.175 --> 01:38:54.264
<v Jamie Dunphy>So— Councilor This is a problem for a future problem— project.

1107
01:38:54.586 --> 01:39:00.194
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is a problem for a time when times are good and we are running out of all the, you know, land that is in such high demand.

1108
01:39:01.033 --> 01:39:03.877
<v Jamie Dunphy>But it is a concern that I just want to make sure my colleagues are aware of.

1109
01:39:04.362 --> 01:39:05.766
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Green.

1110
01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:09.078
<v Mitch Green>I'm glad you raised that concern.

1111
01:39:10.622 --> 01:39:16.277
<v Mitch Green>I have been thinking about that in the context of my district, the CEI hub, the kind of Northwest Industrial Area.

1112
01:39:17.234 --> 01:39:25.923
<v Mitch Green>I know there's a desire to someday be able to get access to the river again, and if you're— for taking away certain industrial parcels within other parts of the city, that makes it harder.

1113
01:39:26.264 --> 01:39:29.173
<v Mitch Green>Same thing with your district, the area up by Prologis and others, you know.

1114
01:39:29.238 --> 01:39:35.372
<v Mitch Green>So, so just echoing that concern and not going to make an intervention here today, but thanks for raising it.

1115
01:39:35.724 --> 01:39:36.359
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1116
01:39:39.072 --> 01:39:48.752
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, this time for reals, This item is continued to 2:15 PM on Thursday, November 5th, to adopt revised findings.

1117
01:39:49.489 --> 01:39:53.118
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is tentatively expected to return on November 12th for a final vote.

1118
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:54.340
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all very much.

1119
01:39:54.708 --> 01:39:55.207
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1120
01:39:56.154 --> 01:40:02.399
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call our last item of the day, item 17, document 2026-375?

1121
01:40:03.460 --> 01:40:07.875
<v Keelan McClymont>Appoint alternate members to the Community Board for Police Accountability.

1122
01:40:08.707 --> 01:40:09.328
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

1123
01:40:09.667 --> 01:40:17.510
<v Jamie Dunphy>Usually we would place appointments that have passed through the Committee of the Whole onto the consent agenda, but it was indicated to me that a councilor would pull it from consent if I did so.

1124
01:40:18.051 --> 01:40:21.452
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so in this instance, I, uh, put it on our regular agenda.

1125
01:40:21.581 --> 01:40:26.742
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I am now going to recognize Councilor Kanal, uh, as a sponsor to provide any additional remarks.

1126
01:40:27.002 --> 01:40:27.587
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

1127
01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:38.719
<v Dan Ryan>Okay, well, colleagues, there was a— I'm, I'm going to let Heidi Brown, who is our our attorney be the person to explain the, um, the legal side of this.

1128
01:40:38.895 --> 01:40:44.011
<v Dan Ryan>But I did want to just speak kind of both as a committee chair and as a sponsor here.

1129
01:40:44.787 --> 01:41:13.484
<v Dan Ryan>So as part of resolving the issue that led us to originally consider and ultimately pass a document that removed an alternate from the Community Board for Police Accountability, there was a settlement in litigation that was filed, a condition of which includes reappointment of that individual, Bob Weinstein, to the Community Board for Police Accountability.

1130
01:41:14.078 --> 01:41:21.162
<v Dan Ryan>This resolution does that and therefore fulfills the terms of the settlement, which is non-monetary in nature.

1131
01:41:22.764 --> 01:41:31.563
<v Dan Ryan>I am grateful to be able to work with the mayor, who supervising the city attorney's office and risk management, handled that side of it.

1132
01:41:31.965 --> 01:41:41.177
<v Dan Ryan>And then obviously council has to appoint any members, including new appointments of a previous member, to the Community Board for Police Accountability.

1133
01:41:41.699 --> 01:41:43.917
<v Dan Ryan>So that's speaking as sort of a sponsor here.

1134
01:41:43.997 --> 01:41:51.355
<v Dan Ryan>This came through the Committee of the Whole and was referred on there.

1135
01:41:51.496 --> 01:41:51.670
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1136
01:41:52.542 --> 01:41:54.832
<v Dan Ryan>9 To 2 with 1 councilor absent.

1137
01:41:55.555 --> 01:42:00.479
<v Dan Ryan>And that was on the 21st, so last week, 8 days ago, in our afternoon meeting.

1138
01:42:00.542 --> 01:42:03.686
<v Dan Ryan>And this would effectively give us 2 alternates.

1139
01:42:03.751 --> 01:42:11.337
<v Dan Ryan>We currently have a full membership of the board and 6 alternate positions, 1 of which is full.

1140
01:42:11.434 --> 01:42:14.609
<v Dan Ryan>This would now let us have a 2nd filled alternate position.

1141
01:42:15.283 --> 01:42:15.427
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1142
01:42:15.699 --> 01:42:16.550
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1143
01:42:17.930 --> 01:42:20.158
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we are in discussion of this item.

1144
01:42:20.666 --> 01:42:21.573
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see Councilor Green.

1145
01:42:23.407 --> 01:42:23.904
<v Jamie Dunphy>Legacy hand.

1146
01:42:23.953 --> 01:42:24.145
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

1147
01:42:24.211 --> 01:42:28.052
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, are there any further— is there further discussion of this item?

1148
01:42:29.739 --> 01:42:30.222
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

1149
01:42:31.318 --> 01:42:32.800
<v Candace Avalos>I'll just repeat what I said in committee.

1150
01:42:33.073 --> 01:42:37.695
<v Candace Avalos>I had grave concerns about this alternate to begin with, and so I don't plan on supporting this.

1151
01:42:37.904 --> 01:42:38.226
<v Candace Avalos>Thanks.

1152
01:42:38.774 --> 01:42:39.619
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1153
01:42:44.333 --> 01:42:44.984
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, we do have people.

1154
01:42:45.087 --> 01:42:47.702
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, Thank you, Keelan.

1155
01:42:47.846 --> 01:42:50.506
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, can we please call folks who are here to testify?

1156
01:42:51.713 --> 01:42:55.146
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, we have 2 people signed up, uh, Alex Stein and Tommy A.

1157
01:42:56.728 --> 01:43:01.984
<v Keelan McClymont>Really quick.

1158
01:43:06.420 --> 01:43:08.590
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, that completes testimony.

1159
01:43:08.930 --> 01:43:10.144
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okey-doke, great.

1160
01:43:10.953 --> 01:43:12.639
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there any further discussion of this item?

1161
01:43:14.172 --> 01:43:14.636
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

1162
01:43:15.280 --> 01:43:29.954
<v Sameer Kanal>I just wanted to highlight for, I guess, in lieu of other folks being here, City Administrator, that, that some of the written testimony on this item asking about transparency for some of the materials, um, is something I just, I would encourage you all to read and hopefully respond to in some way.

1163
01:43:30.342 --> 01:43:32.560
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate, uh, Mr. Porras submitting that.

1164
01:43:33.207 --> 01:43:33.355
<v Raymond C. Lee>Thanks.

1165
01:43:33.787 --> 01:43:34.631
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1166
01:43:38.115 --> 01:43:42.368
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, seeing no one else in the queue To, to speak on this item.

1167
01:43:43.048 --> 01:43:46.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the roll on this resolution?

1168
01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:49.380
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

1169
01:43:50.252 --> 01:43:50.301
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1170
01:43:52.356 --> 01:43:53.877
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1171
01:43:54.621 --> 01:43:54.670
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1172
01:43:55.899 --> 01:43:56.756
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

1173
01:43:57.225 --> 01:43:57.306
<v Candace Avalos>No.

1174
01:43:57.694 --> 01:43:57.921
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

1175
01:43:59.636 --> 01:44:03.988
<v Loretta Smith>What are we voting on?

1176
01:44:05.336 --> 01:44:05.882
<v Jamie Dunphy>Item 17.

1177
01:44:05.932 --> 01:44:06.396
<v Loretta Smith>Yes, yes.

1178
01:44:08.916 --> 01:44:09.027
<v Mitch Green>Yes.

1179
01:44:09.626 --> 01:44:09.675
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1180
01:44:11.814 --> 01:44:11.863
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1181
01:44:12.543 --> 01:44:12.591
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1182
01:44:14.975 --> 01:44:15.024
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1183
01:44:16.579 --> 01:44:16.820
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1184
01:44:17.576 --> 01:44:17.993
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

1185
01:44:18.363 --> 01:44:18.411
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1186
01:44:19.247 --> 01:44:19.632
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1187
01:44:19.970 --> 01:44:20.099
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1188
01:44:20.934 --> 01:44:23.810
<v Keelan McClymont>The resolution is adopted with 10 ayes and 2 nays.

1189
01:44:23.988 --> 01:44:24.309
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

1190
01:44:24.389 --> 01:44:31.506
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, before I adjourn, I want to remind both my colleagues and the public that next week's meeting is virtual due to maintenance in City Hall.

1191
01:44:32.278 --> 01:44:36.573
<v Jamie Dunphy>The public in-person space will still be available to watch and testify, but that will be in the Portland building.

1192
01:44:38.069 --> 01:44:41.402
<v Jamie Dunphy>So please check the agenda website for details if you should do that.

1193
01:44:41.996 --> 01:44:48.948
<v Jamie Dunphy>Additionally, colleagues, I have added a work session to our— to continue our conversation on the 3.02 council rules.

1194
01:44:49.542 --> 01:44:53.395
<v Jamie Dunphy>That will be happening on Wednesday, November 5th, from 2 to 5 PM.

1195
01:44:53.636 --> 01:44:57.956
<v Jamie Dunphy>My chief of staff will send more details on the format for our conversation by the end of the day tomorrow.

1196
01:44:58.550 --> 01:45:02.420
<v Jamie Dunphy>And finally, committees are canceled on Tuesday due to the election.

1197
01:45:03.029 --> 01:45:03.414
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please go vote.

1198
01:45:03.914 --> 01:45:05.288
<v Jamie Dunphy>With that, we are adjourned.

1199
01:45:05.837 --> 01:45:07.114
<v Jamie Dunphy>Happy Halloween.