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<v Loretta Smith>Hi, Keelan, this is Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm online.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I am calling to order this meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It is 9:32 on Wednesday, October 28th.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please good morning.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Present.

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<v Candace Avalos>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Here.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Here.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And could we please have the attorney read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

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<v Robert Taylor>Good morning.

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<v Robert Taylor>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

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<v Robert Taylor>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

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<v Robert Taylor>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

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<v Robert Taylor>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Robert Taylor>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Robert Taylor>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Robert Taylor>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Robert Taylor>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Robert Taylor>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Robert Taylor>Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Robert Taylor>When testifying, please state your name for the record.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Robert Taylor>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Robert Taylor>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, before we begin, I want to make a quick public announcement to anybody in the room.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The 2nd floor women's restroom is closed.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>If, uh, anyone needs it, there is a single unisex bathroom over In this level, but there are also additional bathrooms on the 3rd and 1st floor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Apologies for the inconvenience.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There's also bathrooms on the 4th floor, but that's a lot of walking.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So, um, and before we dive in, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you so much, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for that very important announcement you just made.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, good morning.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thousands of Portlanders are in conflict over the enrollment challenges at PPS, and the superintendent has proposed considering 14 school sites for closure.

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<v Dan Ryan>And yes, we are all hearing from our constituents, which makes sense.

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<v Dan Ryan>On October 9th, I reached out to the mayor, to CA Lee, and at their request, I had more detailed conversations with Public Works DCA Williams about providing an infrastructure index report for PPS.

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<v Dan Ryan>In other words, what is the status of the city's infrastructure surrounding the 14 sites?

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>From PBOT, Parks, Water, and Sewer.

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<v Dan Ryan>Providing this objective information can only help the decision makers, the superintendent, and the PPS board, which is comprised of 7 elected officials, to make these very difficult decisions.

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<v Dan Ryan>I was on the school board in 2005, the last time such closure decisions were made.

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<v Dan Ryan>This infrastructure index report is what I would have wanted from the city.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>At that time.

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<v Dan Ryan>As such, I'm taking this life experience and I'm playing it forward.

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<v Dan Ryan>I have a lot of appreciation for you, CA Lee, and for your responsive deputies, if you will, that have responded to this request.

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<v Dan Ryan>And thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm now getting word that it will be provided on Monday, this coming Monday, November 2nd, and it'll be shared with all of us, and it'll be shared, of course, with the superintendent and the board members.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>And therefore the public.

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<v Dan Ryan>So with deep compassion for the parents and families, the students and teachers, the superintendent, and all 7 members of the PPS board, in my faith that you will do the best for the students of Portland, thank you, colleagues.

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<v Dan Ryan>I just wanted to give you that information.

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<v Dan Ryan>I've been working on this for some time.

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<v Dan Ryan>I wanted to make sure that we could really deliver it and get a clear timeline.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I wanted to give you that update today.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Olivia Clark>Point of information.

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<v Candace Avalos>You mentioned a document.

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<v Candace Avalos>Can you just say again what it is that we're receiving?

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I'll repeat.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's an infrastructure index.

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<v Dan Ryan>So you think of the public works section in general.

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<v Dan Ryan>So the city does investments around these 14 properties, correct?

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<v Dan Ryan>From pedestrian upgrades from PBOT.

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<v Dan Ryan>There's been sometimes water and sewer infrastructure updates around these sites.

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<v Dan Ryan>Parks might be doing some work, like a community center nearby, or what's the status of the parks and the, the infrastructure the parks provides near schools.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we'll also work with the county just specifically on libraries because a lot of the libraries are near our local schools at those 14 sites.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I thought, what could we do in our lane that would be helpful to PPS at this time?

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<v Dan Ryan>And in our lane, It's this.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I wanted to make sure that we provided that objective information for the decision makers at PPS.

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<v Dan Ryan>And again, I give you my experience where I really wanted something like that back in 2005, and it was hard to get such objective information.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I just hope this will be helpful to them as they make these hard decisions.

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<v Candace Avalos>And is this something the city administrator comprised, or did you write it?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Sorry, I'm just—.

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<v Dan Ryan>I, of course, did not write it.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's not my job.

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<v Dan Ryan>My job as a legislator was to propose.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I proposed it to the mayor and to CA Lee.

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<v Dan Ryan>We had some dialogue.

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<v Dan Ryan>They all thought it was a good idea.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then it moved forward with DCA Williams.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for asking those questions.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I would share one component of that too that will also be in there is some demographic information.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>How do we see future growth from a residential standpoint happening in the city?

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So that will also be a part of it as well too, because it doesn't make sense if we're evaluating closing a school where we have permitting coming in to add additional housing.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>In that area.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So we just want to make sure they have that full picture that we have, what's happening from a development end as well, and the impacts that could have potentially with potential school closures.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's right.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for reminding me.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I've also been in conversation with DCA Oliveira on such points, but I stuck at that level and then they've been working with their deputies.

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<v Olivia Clark>Can I ask a question?

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Herbold, thank you so much for doing that.

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<v Olivia Clark>I think that will be very, very helpful for us.

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<v Olivia Clark>I don't suppose this includes the seismic information about the schools, does it?

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<v Dan Ryan>No, that's PPS's job to deliver the information about their buildings.

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<v Dan Ryan>We have, as you all know, we do the public right-of-way.

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<v Dan Ryan>So we surround all buildings in this city and provide services.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so that's what they needed to have that information.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you so much.

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<v Dan Ryan>A great question, but that would be internal to PPS.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Council President, can I say something quickly?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, please, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I didn't know we were going to be talking about school closures.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's obviously something that all of our offices are hearing a lot about and is something that affects all of our constituents and thank you.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And the whole city.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Things— decisions that happen to our schools directly affect the whole city, and vice versa.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Decisions that we make as the city affect our schools.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So we need to be making sure that we are having that data and that we have questions answered.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so thank you for bringing these forward, Councilor.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think it's really important that we are seeing what investments have we made as the city and in terms of you know, 2, 3-bedroom multifamily-sized housing in certain areas?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Where have we invested in community centers?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That data, we need— that needs to be part of the conversation.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And we all are continuing to hear from many caregivers who are concerned that they have questions that are not being fully answered, that they're not getting the data.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so it is our job to be uplifting those questions and I know that there are many caregivers that are watching closely and are hoping that we're going to be able to do something.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think the thing is there's no one person that can save or solve all of this, but I think there are ways that we can be using our platform.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so I will say in the, in the coming days, I hope that you'll be able to hear from, from more councilors about ways that we can be engaging.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>What are things, what are ways where the city and the school district and the county all intersect, and how can we be working together on some of this?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Loretta Smith, These asks are really reasonable from my fellow councilors and from other— from parents who are really desperate and are not getting the answers that they need.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I hope that we can have this conversation.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm not sure if this is the right place.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm looking to Council President, but I think we do need to find a way that we are able to have these conversations, maybe directly with school board members, with PPS leaders, and show and find ways that we thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I'm hoping to not have us completely get derailed.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We all have some very strong feelings about PPS closure of schools.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to ask Councilor Smith, then Councilor Kanal, and we're going to move into our actual agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>I just want to say to Councilor Dan Ryan, that is so smart, totally appropriate.

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<v Loretta Smith>And as a mother of a student that was in Portland Public Schools who experienced the same thing in 2005, my son graduated in 2008, I would have loved to have this conversation with him.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal, last word on this?

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<v Sameer Kanal>I just had a question, so actually it'll be your last word.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There, there was a proposed, uh, piece of legislation on this, and I don't know what happened with it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I just wanted to understand.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think there was a request for 912th Street.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Nothing was added to the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Whatever that— either a number of pieces of legislation that were proposed, but nothing received the requisite 9 signatures to move to our agenda today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so nothing for today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There may be stuff in the future if those colleagues are still interested.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Our first item on our agenda is the approval of the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>May I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Approve today's agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing a lot of happy nods, the, the agenda is approved.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please move to public communications?

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<v Keelan McClymont>First up today, we have Kari Koch.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please come on up, introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

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<v Kari Koch>My name is Kari Koch.

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<v Kari Koch>I use she or they pronouns.

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<v Kari Koch>I'm the president of the City of Portland Professional Workers Union, as you all are probably well aware by now.

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<v Kari Koch>I'm here today as a representative of 800 members who are at work right now to deliver a message and to ask for your support.

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<v Kari Koch>On Thursday at contract negotiations, the city's bargaining team told us that they had nothing for us.

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<v Kari Koch>They had no ideas, no proposals, no creative solutions.

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<v Kari Koch>No authority to move.

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<v Kari Koch>That was the last scheduled session and the last one that they intended to hold until something changes.

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<v Kari Koch>Well, something has changed.

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<v Kari Koch>Our union, 800 workers in every part of the city, has issued our notice of intent to strike.

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<v Kari Koch>Our members voted 93% yes to authorize a strike.

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<v Kari Koch>The city is forcing our hand.

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<v Kari Koch>They've abandoned the table.

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<v Kari Koch>They've abandoned the effort to find labor peace.

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<v Kari Koch>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

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<v Kari Koch>And they're gambling that a strike won't matter.

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<v Kari Koch>I'm here not just to tell you that we intend to strike, but to offer a path forward.

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<v Kari Koch>It does not have to come to the brink every time.

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<v Kari Koch>We are sympathetic to the hard decisions that you'll have to make over the next year, but this contract is not one of them.

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<v Kari Koch>Establishing a fair wage system is a part of running a city.

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<v Kari Koch>Our contract proposal is a reasonable standard wage increase and basic protections, but to our members, it's about more than that.

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<v Kari Koch>It's about respect.

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<v Kari Koch>It's about a city that keeps balancing, attempting to balance the budget on the backs of the workers instead of taking a hard look at where the money is really going.

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<v Kari Koch>Our members know about hard decisions.

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<v Kari Koch>We do the work of multiple staff as the city shifts the ground beneath us.

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<v Kari Koch>We get the work done under difficult conditions, and at home we figure out how to care for our families, sometimes multiple families, as prices skyrocket around us.

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<v Kari Koch>Members come to me and say, I can't afford to strike, but I can't afford not to.

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<v Kari Koch>You'll hear numbers from the city about what this contract costs.

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<v Kari Koch>We dispute those numbers.

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<v Kari Koch>Our figures, which are in our last best final offer and which I will send to each of you after this, is available on the website.

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<v Kari Koch>Our figures show a $9 million increase over 2 fiscal years, over 2 fiscal years, which is on par with every other union contract at the city once you factor in wage growth.

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<v Kari Koch>The city's numbers that they might be presenting to you ignore the layoffs that we saw over the summer.

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<v Kari Koch>They count vacancies despite the hiring freeze, and they inflate— in fact, double the cost in order to muddy the waters.

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<v Kari Koch>We are looking for creative solutions from the mayor.

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<v Kari Koch>We want an economic package that truly values the work that we do.

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<v Kari Koch>We want contract language that stops treating our union differently than other unions.

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<v Kari Koch>And we are asking you to be the voice of reason.

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<v Kari Koch>That a strike is a tool of last resort and will have a negative impact on the city, that this contract is reasonable, fair, and affordable, and that we can settle this now.

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<v Kari Koch>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Laura Labarre.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

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<v Laura Labarre>Thank you.

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<v Laura Labarre>Hi, I'm Laura Labarre, she/her pronouns.

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<v Laura Labarre>Thank you for having me here today.

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<v Laura Labarre>I'm here today to bring it back to school closures.

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<v Laura Labarre>Um, as a constituent and a Portland Public Schools parent of 2, as well as an advocate and a former education policy professional, I'm here with 3 asks.

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<v Laura Labarre>One, pass Councilor Green's Save Public Schools resolution next week and make sure it's on the agenda.

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<v Laura Labarre>2, issue a joint statement calling on Governor Kotek to declare an education state of emergency by Election Day so we can tap rainy day funds for schools.

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<v Laura Labarre>And 3, starting now, make public schools part of the routine council agenda, starting with working with PPS to find solutions that aren't closures.

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<v Laura Labarre>In PPS right now, our communities are in pain.

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<v Laura Labarre>In the face of these closures, we are being forced to make choices between racial equity, educator jobs, arts programming, safe routes to school, seismic safety, and serving our kids with disabilities and special needs.

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<v Laura Labarre>These are all necessities.

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<v Laura Labarre>When we are forced to treat them like trade-offs, that is an emergency.

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<v Laura Labarre>And it's been an emergency for years.

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<v Laura Labarre>In 2024, my child went from being a preschooler who said they loved school and wanted to be a teacher someday to a totally overwhelmed kindergartner in a classroom with 35-year-olds because we lost a kindergarten teaching position to budget cuts.

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<v Laura Labarre>You could practically hear my ed policy heartbreaking when my kid told me maybe school isn't for me.

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<v Laura Labarre>That year, like so many other years, PPS had to pay a quarter of its budget toward public employment retiree obligations, not toward classrooms.

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<v Laura Labarre>It was also the year Oregon returned a $5 billion kicker, not because we actually had that money to spare, but simply because the state economists couldn't predict COVID in prior biennia.

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<v Laura Labarre>Councilor Mitch Green came to our school last Friday and listened to us describe these stories and how our children are living the harms of these broken systems every single day.

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<v Laura Labarre>His fast and decisive action to introduce the Save Public Schools resolution in direct response to what we shared with him has energized us and given us hope that constituent voice means something, and in fact, that it might mean everything.

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<v Laura Labarre>In 2003 and 2012, speaking of the lanes, I'm glad you mentioned that, Councilor Ryan, the City Council used its power and resources to invest and strengthen Portland Public Schools.

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<v Laura Labarre>Today, as we face closures and cuts, we as constituents are asking you to once again make our city's children not just your business but your priority.

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<v Laura Labarre>Please support Councilor Green's resolution.

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<v Laura Labarre>Call on Governor Kotek for the state of emergency and act on behalf of our kids.

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<v Laura Labarre>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up we have Michael Rosen.

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<v Mitch Green>Good morning.

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<v Michael Rosen>Thank you.

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<v Michael Rosen>Morning.

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<v Michael Rosen>I'm Michael Rosen, the former school board director from Zone 7 from 2015 to 2019, a career public servant of 30 years for the state and the city, a father of 3 PPS graduates, and the guardian of my niece, a current PPS student.

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<v Michael Rosen>Thank you for the opportunity to address you today.

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<v Michael Rosen>Mayor and City Council, I'm here to ask you to adopt a formal resolution calling on PPS to delay its December 15th vote until the district has produced credible financial, educational, transportation, and neighborhood impact assessments.

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<v Michael Rosen>Why this is a City Council issue and why you should care.

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<v Michael Rosen>First, school closures are an urban planning issue, not simply an education issue.

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<v Michael Rosen>PPS is proposing changes that will affect neighborhood stability, housing decisions, transportation infrastructure, traffic, climate commitments, and the viability of walkable communities.

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<v Michael Rosen>These are all areas in which the city has substantial responsibilities and has made significant public investments.

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<v Michael Rosen>Portland cannot spend decades investing in walkable, climate-resilient neighborhoods only to stand by while another public institution dismantles the neighborhood infrastructure that makes those investments work.

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<v Michael Rosen>Second, PPS has not adequately assessed these consequences.

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<v Michael Rosen>Where are the transportation and emissions projections?

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<v Michael Rosen>Where is the analysis of impacts on neighborhood development, neighborhood businesses, housing demand, and families' abilities— families' ability to walk or bike to school?

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<v Michael Rosen>Has the district meaningfully coordinated with PBOT, city planners, or other municipal agencies to assess the consequences of its proposals?

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<v Michael Rosen>Yes.

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<v Michael Rosen>How many teachers will be laid off?

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<v Michael Rosen>What will happen to closed school properties?

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<v Michael Rosen>And what will be the cost to retrofit new school configurations?

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<v Michael Rosen>These are not peripheral questions.

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<v Michael Rosen>They are foreseeable consequences of the restructuring, and the city will be left dealing with them.

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<v Michael Rosen>Third, the underlying justification for the restructuring remains unproven.

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<v Michael Rosen>PPS is treating enrollment and building utilization as proxies for educational resources, assuming that concentrating students in fewer buildings will somehow produce stronger educational programs.

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<v Michael Rosen>But the district has not demonstrated that these changes will improve education, establish credible net savings after implementation costs, or provided school-specific staffing and resource commitments.

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<v Michael Rosen>We are being asked to accept enormous disruption on the basis of an administrative model whose promised benefits have not been demonstrated.

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<v Michael Rosen>So please adopt a formal resolution calling on PPS to delay its December 15th vote until the district has produced credible financial, educational, transportation, and neighborhood impact assessments.

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<v Michael Rosen>PPS is making decisions that will fundamentally reshape Portland without demonstrating that it has adequately considered the consequences or established that the changes will actually benefit students.

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<v Michael Rosen>That should concern every elected official in the city.

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<v Michael Rosen>Finally, I'd like to thank Megan Zirn, who co-authored this thank you all.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Anita Davidson joining us online.

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<v Anita Davidson>Thank you.

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<v Anita Davidson>My name is Anita Davidson.

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<v Anita Davidson>I'm a condominium owner downtown in District 4.

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<v Anita Davidson>Yesterday I testified before City Life on how little has changed with Clean and Safe despite the city's spending many hundreds of thousands of dollars since 2020 to improve the enhanced service districts.

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<v Anita Davidson>Today I have a different focus, to ask City Council to propose different oversight of Clean and Safe Services because they exist beyond the ESD contract.

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<v Anita Davidson>The oversight currently provided by the city's ESD coordinator is inadequate.

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<v Anita Davidson>Today I want to discuss the millions of additional public dollars that are provided to Clean and Safe annually through multiple city departments and other governments.

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<v Anita Davidson>Clean& Safe itself reported $1.2 million in revenue beyond the ESD revenue in each of the past 2 years.

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<v Anita Davidson>Further, the public dollars Clean& Safe receives are used to procure the same types of services within the same downtown boundaries that Clean& Safe operates for ESD ratepayers.

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<v Anita Davidson>A higher level of oversight is needed to confirm for each contracting party that they are receiving all the contracted services.

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<v Anita Davidson>The consultant hired following the ESD audit in 2020 made clear in their 2024 report services of the ESD nonprofit should be clearly separate from ESD— from the ESD services from the other services.

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<v Anita Davidson>This brings to light 2 matters.

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<v Anita Davidson>First, that due to the city's economic downturn, unfortunately, and the need for revival, Every allegedly enhanced service has rightfully become a basic service.

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<v Anita Davidson>That any ESD can justify providing these services as enhanced is severely waning.

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<v Anita Davidson>This is because the city sees the need for, rightfully, and is already paying for sidewalk cleaning, graffiti removal, hotel security, power washing, increased mental and behavioral support, trash pickups, and programs for downtown activities.

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<v Anita Davidson>Thank you.

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<v Anita Davidson>These are done through contracts the city has directly with vendors and through additional non-ESD contracts between the city and Clean& Safe.

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<v Anita Davidson>Second, that due to overlap of downtown territory and overlap in types of service provided, the current assignment for oversight of Clean& Safe to the ESD coordinator is unreasonable.

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<v Anita Davidson>Right now, the ESD coordinator is an ESD advocate.

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<v Anita Davidson>It is unreasonable for one line staff member to oversee services provided paid for at higher levels in multiple other city departments.

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<v Anita Davidson>Let me give you 3 examples.

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<v Anita Davidson>Look closely at the cleaning and security services PBOT pays for through TriMet to Portland Mall Management Inc. for security and cleaning along the Transit Mall, which lies entirely within the ESD expanded boundaries.

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<v Anita Davidson>The ESD coordinator has so far been unable to clarify for me and other ratepayers what services the ESD ratepayers receive beyond what PMMI is paying for.

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<v Anita Davidson>Also look at the wholesale security special project held in 2025, that including funding by the city, county, and state.

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<v Anita Davidson>It appears possible that Clean and Safe was reimbursed with public funds for some of the ESD security shifts.

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<v Anita Davidson>As a final example today, and there are more, look at the lighting services the city contracts for with Clean and Safe.

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<v Anita Davidson>Each year the ESD pays for holiday lighting, but through an additional project illumination, the city also pays for potentially the same lighting, maybe more, all the other months of the year.

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<v Anita Davidson>How can downtown lighting not then become a basic service instead of an enhanced one?

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<v Anita Davidson>My testimony today is that the lack of transparency and accountability where Clean and Safe is involved is now potentially worse than before the auditor and consultant made recommendations for improvement.

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<v Anita Davidson>Money is being sent from multiple departments, and nobody knows what services belong to the ESD or belong to the contracts and grants that are funding Clean and Safe in other ways.

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<v Anita Davidson>I will email these comments to your offices, and thank you for this opportunity to provide my perspective.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Juliana James.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning, welcome.

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<v Juliana James>Good morning, Mayor Wilson and councilors.

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<v Juliana James>My name is Juliana James and I'm a retired public school teacher who taught in Minneapolis for 30 years and moved here to be a grandparent.

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<v Juliana James>The education resolution proposed by Councilor Green must be enacted and voted for to pause the school closures of Portland Public Schools.

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<v Juliana James>The mayor and city council have the power to influence the decision to pause public school closures.

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<v Juliana James>Stable community infrastructure relies on stable neighborhood schools.

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<v Juliana James>Families move into neighborhoods considering the impact of their children's education in kindergarten through 12th grade.

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<v Juliana James>That is 13 years of a child's life.

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<v Juliana James>We cannot sit by idly and do nothing when students' and families' lives are ripped apart by sudden, rapid school closures without real adequate data.

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<v Juliana James>These closures force families to flee to the suburbs while our precious city loses our tax base.

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<v Juliana James>Thank you.

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<v Juliana James>My husband and I proudly pay $2,680 a year for PPS funding and are proud to have voted yes for 2 more needs of our schools, only to have these funds turned into empty buildings that feel like a death in the family, a death in the neighborhood.

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<v Juliana James>We live directly across from Sellwood Middle School, a successful, strong community of teachers, parents, families who have invested their lives and funds to support the excellent education in our neighborhood.

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<v Juliana James>And we're not alone.

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<v Juliana James>All neighborhoods are fighting to retain the integrity of their child's stable, excellent public education.

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<v Juliana James>Our family, children, and teachers deserve the support and influence of our mayor and city councilors to stop this nonsense and seek the state and county funding for rent control, affordable housing, and public safety that every Portland, Oregon family deserves.

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<v Juliana James>If the Minneapolis Public Schools can vote to stop school closures, we can too.

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<v Juliana James>We're counting on you in this time of desperation, despair, and the possible destabilizing effect of our real estate values and our city prize— city pride.

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<v Juliana James>Please vote for this emergency resolution by Councilor Green.

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<v Juliana James>Thank you.

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<v Juliana James>And make the city of Portland the city we can be truly proud of.

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<v Juliana James>We can create a bold initiative to fund educational stability, community stability, neighborhood stability for every child in our great city.

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<v Juliana James>We are a city of roses, possibility, a city of creativity, a city of love and dedication.

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<v Juliana James>We can compromise, collaborate, cooperate to succeed in a superior education for all the great City of Portland children that we all deserve, the City of Portland that works.

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<v Juliana James>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>That completes communications.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, next item on our agenda is our— my regular presidential update.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I just have a very quick announcement regarding next week for both the public and for my— a reminder for my fellow colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Next week's council meeting will be virtual only because there will be building maintenance happening here on the HVAC system.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So committee meetings on Tuesday are canceled due to the election, and our Wednesday and Thursday meetings will be only happening on virtual format.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So on Tuesday, please, please everybody go vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm now going to look over to our city administrator for any update regarding our federal response or response to the federal interventions in our city.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>As it relates to our federal immigration enforcement updates, we have heard reports about increased ICE activity around Delta Park.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>We confirmed that with 2 detentions occurred by nearby businesses this past week, not at the park itself.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Uh, PERC has received no reports of additional detentions in the Delta Park area since then, and we'll continue to monitor, uh, this situation.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Tomorrow, the Immigrant Affairs Lead will present to the Committee of the Whole on the city's work to implement its sanctuary protections.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>This will be the first presentation to the committee on this work.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And keep in mind, with this presentation, we'll be seeking council's input of how we can better inform council as it relates to the data associated with this report and ensuring that it is meeting the intent of the requirements that council is looking for from staff to present out.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>We know this is going to be a work in progress as we continue to work through these things, but we want to make sure we're meeting everyone's intent and the information that we're sharing and answer questions.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>At this point in time, I'll pass it on to our City Attorney Robert Taylor, who will give an update on our legal affairs related to this topic.

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<v Robert Taylor>Hi, uh, thank you.

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<v Robert Taylor>Robert Taylor, City Attorney, for the record.

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<v Robert Taylor>Um, I'm here to give an update on the litigation related to the ICE facility.

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<v Robert Taylor>Um, for the, the benefit of the public who's been following this, the, the big event is November 20th.

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<v Robert Taylor>That's when we will be in circuit court.

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<v Robert Taylor>Working on the appeal that has been filed by the building owner.

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<v Robert Taylor>I do not have any other material updates beyond what I gave last week.

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<v Robert Taylor>For the benefit of the public who may be watching, I'd like to just update folks in case new people are watching this today.

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<v Robert Taylor>So as a reminder, the city issued a notice of violation to the building owner in September of 2025.

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<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

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<v Robert Taylor>That notice of violation found the building owner in violation of the conditional use approval.

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<v Robert Taylor>That notice of violation was appealed to the hearings officer, who held a hearing in May of 2026.

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<v Robert Taylor>The hearings officer found in favor of the city and upheld the notice of violation.

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<v Robert Taylor>That decision was issued in July of 2026.

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<v Robert Taylor>That hearings officer decision has been appealed to the Multnomah County Circuit Court.

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<v Robert Taylor>The Circuit Court issued a stay pending that appeal.

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<v Robert Taylor>Because of that stay, the city cannot enforce or take any other action until that appeal is resolved.

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<v Robert Taylor>You will recall that at one point that stay was so broad that the hearings officer was even prohibited from issuing its decision, but we successfully fought that and was able to get the hearings officer's decision issued.

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<v Robert Taylor>And we're very proud of that effort and proud that the hearings officer issued its decision in favor of the city.

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<v Robert Taylor>Again, the circuit court hearing is scheduled for November 20th, and we will keep the, the council and the public updated once that hearing has concluded.

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<v Kari Koch>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I see 2 colleagues in the queue to ask— I assume ask questions for the city administrator.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Nope.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal?

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<v Candace Avalos>Sorry.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I guess the question I had was about the— what should we— we got an email about— you mentioned the Delta Park.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Example, obviously it's in District 2.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we got an email about it this time.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm just trying to understand what the sort of default mechanism for, for notification for councilors if the administration comes across information about a particular immigration-related, um, event is or, or pattern.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Yeah, if we have something like that, you should see an email from my office as it relates to what that is and the information related to it.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>We're still working out the mechanisms from the standpoint of Is raising to the level to make sure council is involved.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I think for this subject matter, we want to make sure all council members are engaged in what's happening as it relates to the detentions across the city.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So as we get this information, please expect an email from my office or someone in my office, either our Immigrant Affairs lead or myself, informing council, giving updates on that matter.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I think what happened this past week was, was good, and that I was— I'm, I'm glad if that's what we're trying to replicate, then that's great.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Exactly.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, excellent.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, and, um, just for the record, the, um, the conversation at the Committee of the Whole tomorrow, um, it's the first thing on the agenda after the chair's update, so we should be getting to it pretty soon after we convene.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The report from the Immigrant Affairs lead.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, City Administrator.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, City Attorney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the consent agenda?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, no items have been pulled from the consent agenda.

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<v Keelan McClymont>I'll call the roll to approve.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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00:41:57.585 --> 00:41:57.811
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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00:41:59.275 --> 00:41:59.726
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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00:42:02.813 --> 00:42:03.103
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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00:42:03.682 --> 00:42:03.860
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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00:42:04.326 --> 00:42:04.550
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Knoll?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Absent.

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00:42:13.184 --> 00:42:13.474
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan?

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00:42:13.827 --> 00:42:13.876
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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00:42:14.711 --> 00:42:15.242
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

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00:42:15.902 --> 00:42:16.061
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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00:42:16.704 --> 00:42:17.186
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

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00:42:18.248 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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00:42:19.213 --> 00:42:19.550
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:21.431
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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00:42:22.677 --> 00:42:26.786
<v Keelan McClymont>The consent agenda is approved with 11 aye votes and 1 absent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 10, document 2026-123?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Amend code related to prohibitions on possession of firearms within certain city buildings.

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<v Keelan McClymont>To disallow affirmative defense for persons with concealed handgun licenses, amend code sections 3.18.020, 14A.60.010, and 20.12.050.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We heard the main discussion of this ordinance, so I will be brief.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, this ordinance makes it illegal to carry a handgun into City Hall, the Portland Building, or the 1900 Building, even if you have a concealed handgun license, or CHL.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I feel that it's unconscionable, given the daily news of new acts of gun violence, to not enact SB 243 to protect the public spaces where our community partners— our communities gather.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And so I'm asking for your support in this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>If passed, this ordinance will make it so that the only folks allowed to bring a gun into the buildings where we hold public meetings will be police, security, and other public safety officers.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>To recap, State Senate Bill 243 gives local governments a way to prohibit concealed handguns in buildings where we hold official meetings.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It is the only tool that we have to align Portland with the county and our school district partners that have already adopted similar prohibitions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I also want to restate that this ordinance was drafted by our Public Safety Service Area staff as a priority, and I'm glad to have carried it through the 6 months of discussion in the CAPS committee.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I thank my staff who labored over each amendment to make sure concerns were addressed in the version before you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And finally, I want to remind us how it felt to sit here in contentious meetings and watch tensions rise.

439
00:44:11.144 --> 00:44:15.063
<v Jamie Dunphy>Adding guns to a tense situation is a terrifying one— turns it into a terrifying one.

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00:44:16.123 --> 00:44:19.286
<v Jamie Dunphy>Heated debate is part of defending democracy, but gun violence is not.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>No one should fear for their safety or their families for participating in local government.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And that's why the right number of guns in this room outside of the hands of trained security is with that, the floor is open for final discussion and remarks before we move to vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, any— feel free to jump into the queue if there's any further comments.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

446
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<v Sameer Kanal>Just wanted to ask a quick question.

447
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<v Sameer Kanal>Last week there was a question raised and we were told we'd get more information on it, so I just wanted to follow up.

448
00:44:46.614 --> 00:44:55.639
<v Sameer Kanal>It was about when there's a meeting of a governing body at another building and how that decision would get made, and I just wanted to know if anybody had any more information on that.

449
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<v Sameer Kanal>Just for the public record here.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>That'll be a conversation I'll sit down with the council president to see how we work out the logistics of that.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>It's something we would still want to make sure that we could set up because we would have a full body of the council in that setting, and we want to make sure we're still following that same protocols.

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00:45:13.237 --> 00:45:16.891
<v Raymond C. Lee>But we'll work through, uh, council leadership to assure we can establish that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, thanks for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's helpful.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I apologize if I was unclear.

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00:45:21.202 --> 00:45:22.737
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I wasn't only referring to council meetings.

457
00:45:23.393 --> 00:45:31.074
<v Sameer Kanal>We have other governing bodies at the city that may meet in other parts of the, uh, city, including, uh, the 1900 Building, Portland Building.

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00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:38.347
<v Sameer Kanal>Those are all the, uh, all the time we'll be, uh, having this, these, uh, rules in place, um, or part of them.

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00:45:38.588 --> 00:45:39.969
<v Sameer Kanal>Council President explained that last week.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But if there's another meeting of a governing body in another building, um, you know, we, we talked about advisory bodies, we talked about the CBPA, which is governing body, those types of yeah, I don't know if we quite have an answer to that yet, Councilor.

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00:45:54.163 --> 00:46:01.311
<v Raymond C. Lee>I think that's something that we continue to have to take a look at and see what the resources are available to expand, uh, to that level.

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00:46:01.648 --> 00:46:04.974
<v Raymond C. Lee>But I think it's something that we, uh, most definitely take under consideration.

463
00:46:05.568 --> 00:46:14.226
<v Raymond C. Lee>And if we do have any questions as it relates to monetary expansions to accommodate that, we can bring that back to the council for consideration.

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00:46:14.659 --> 00:46:17.422
<v Raymond C. Lee>But I can most definitely— we can continue to have that conversation.

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00:46:17.471 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Anita Davidson>Thank you.

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00:46:18.512 --> 00:46:24.347
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, my interest is in understanding when does that apply or not apply in those sort of possible cases.

467
00:46:25.882 --> 00:46:27.101
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see Robert Taylor coming up as well.

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00:46:30.813 --> 00:46:36.047
<v Robert Taylor>Hi, Robert Taylor, City Attorney, for the record.

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00:46:36.916 --> 00:46:40.173
<v Robert Taylor>Those are all good questions and fair questions.

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00:46:40.384 --> 00:46:57.260
<v Robert Taylor>And under the ordinance in the directives, It, it notes that the city administrator will adopt by administrative rule a policy identifying definition of governing body, official meetings, the buildings owned and controlled.

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00:46:57.822 --> 00:47:13.257
<v Robert Taylor>So I think to your specific question about what about other governing bodies other than council and they meet elsewhere, when will these prohibitions apply and how will they apply, I think those details will get worked out by the city administrator in administrative rule.

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00:47:13.304 --> 00:47:13.385
<v Robert Taylor>Okay.

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00:47:13.971 --> 00:47:23.351
<v Robert Taylor>And I'm confident the administrator would welcome feedback and thoughts from councilors or from those other governing bodies as they work through that rulemaking process.

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00:47:24.394 --> 00:47:24.539
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Great.

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00:47:24.715 --> 00:47:30.221
<v Sameer Kanal>Then I will change this from hoping to have feedback before the vote to I will follow up with you afterwards.

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00:47:30.317 --> 00:47:30.878
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, City Attorney Lee.

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00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:31.777
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Robert.

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00:47:32.403 --> 00:47:33.141
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

479
00:47:33.463 --> 00:47:34.168
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

481
00:47:37.699 --> 00:47:42.690
<v Olivia Clark>I think I might have been absent for some of the discussion, the background discussion on this, unfortunately.

482
00:47:43.284 --> 00:47:51.103
<v Olivia Clark>And I really appreciate your very compelling arguments, um, in support of this, um, ordinance.

483
00:47:51.969 --> 00:48:10.784
<v Olivia Clark>Um, but I have to tell you, I'm having a little bit of mixed feelings, especially after what happened in Bend, uh, with the, uh, parent who, uh, did have a concealed weapon and was able to, uh, intervene in that horrible situations.

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00:48:10.896 --> 00:48:14.764
<v Olivia Clark>So, um, I'm kind of wrestling with that to some degree.

485
00:48:15.534 --> 00:48:20.655
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I personally, I don't want people to have weapons in this building.

486
00:48:20.992 --> 00:48:27.876
<v Olivia Clark>It's, uh, frightening to me given the level, as you mentioned, the level of heated debate that we sometimes find ourselves in.

487
00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:39.322
<v Olivia Clark>But, um, I'm also curious, and I don't want to reopen this whole discussion, but I am curious to know why the caps CABS committee, I think it was in CABS committee, did not support this.

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00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:39.875
<v Olivia Clark>Is there—.

489
00:48:40.393 --> 00:48:43.847
<v Olivia Clark>Can I ask that somebody just—.

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00:48:43.936 --> 00:48:44.025
<v Dan Ryan>Sure.

491
00:48:44.425 --> 00:48:48.492
<v Olivia Clark>Share that with me, as I'm a non-member of that committee, and I'm just curious.

492
00:48:48.652 --> 00:49:00.503
<v Olivia Clark>But also, if anybody wants to address the bend situation, and then what if people do have concealed permits and they do want to come in here, where are they going to— they're going to leave their gun in their car?

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00:49:01.146 --> 00:49:01.186
<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

494
00:49:01.362 --> 00:49:02.697
<v Olivia Clark>What, what's going to happen?

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00:49:03.355 --> 00:49:06.760
<v Olivia Clark>So I know that's a lot, but I appreciate your attention.

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00:49:06.887 --> 00:49:14.099
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I'm happy to, uh, let folks in the queue, and I'll also probably look to Councilor Zimmerman, who had introduced the motion to table at CAPS committee.

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00:49:14.148 --> 00:49:15.753
<v Jamie Dunphy>I also look to Councilor Novick.

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00:49:15.818 --> 00:49:21.487
<v Jamie Dunphy>But I'll say that specific to the situation that happened in Bend, we have security in this building.

499
00:49:22.387 --> 00:49:23.608
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, elementary schools don't.

500
00:49:24.233 --> 00:49:25.615
<v Jamie Dunphy>They didn't have an armed officer.

501
00:49:25.695 --> 00:49:32.827
<v Jamie Dunphy>That was a scenario in which We have good guys with guns in this building, and they are paid well.

502
00:49:33.521 --> 00:49:34.503
<v Jamie Dunphy>They are contracted with us.

503
00:49:34.568 --> 00:49:36.985
<v Jamie Dunphy>They are trained, and they're held to certain professional standards.

504
00:49:37.130 --> 00:49:40.150
<v Jamie Dunphy>And you're absolutely right, this is ultimately a judgment call.

505
00:49:40.215 --> 00:49:43.539
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think this— that is a key difference for me, though.

506
00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:47.824
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman, are you— to respond to Councilor Clark?

507
00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:55.447
<v Eric Zimmerman>So the committee postponed it, I think generally from a feeling of— and the reason I put the motion forward was to continue to work on it.

508
00:49:55.862 --> 00:49:55.911
<v Eric Zimmerman>Right.

509
00:49:55.992 --> 00:49:58.842
<v Eric Zimmerman>The fact that Councilor Kanal just had to ask, when does this apply?

510
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.465
<v Eric Zimmerman>There's a significant amount of holes in this ordinance.

511
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:12.340
<v Eric Zimmerman>So passing ordinances that when a person walks into or doesn't walk into a building that makes somebody now a criminal should be very clear when it applies.

512
00:50:12.389 --> 00:50:14.056
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I appreciated Councilor Kanal's question.

513
00:50:14.153 --> 00:50:15.998
<v Eric Zimmerman>That was part of why we wanted to work on it.

514
00:50:16.677 --> 00:50:23.472
<v Eric Zimmerman>For whatever reason, the council president has continued to bring this forward without actually working on any amendments, without working on any of the concerns.

515
00:50:23.521 --> 00:50:27.369
<v Eric Zimmerman>Council President, I asked for public records for the work that had occurred on this.

516
00:50:27.818 --> 00:50:35.545
<v Eric Zimmerman>Those public records never got to me before the committee, and that also was part of the reason why we wanted— excuse me— why we wanted to work on this.

517
00:50:36.635 --> 00:50:46.141
<v Eric Zimmerman>To clarify, there were questions about, yes, certainly security, and I think Council President makes very valid points about the differences between those 2 situations.

518
00:50:46.813 --> 00:50:50.532
<v Eric Zimmerman>But many of us, all of us, I've seen you here after 5 PM.

519
00:50:51.094 --> 00:50:53.755
<v Eric Zimmerman>And on a day that council doesn't meet, security is gone.

520
00:50:55.215 --> 00:50:56.739
<v Eric Zimmerman>So those types of things do matter.

521
00:50:56.818 --> 00:51:11.300
<v Eric Zimmerman>And in these kind of conversations where we have, have this, this type of debate and we have these types of, of things, and you're talking about a group of people who have gone to go get fingerprinted, been certified by their sheriff, have followed the law, we're making them now a criminal class.

522
00:51:11.509 --> 00:51:13.353
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's important to get right.

523
00:51:13.994 --> 00:51:15.405
<v Eric Zimmerman>This was never about killing this.

524
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:16.577
<v Eric Zimmerman>This was about getting it right.

525
00:51:16.704 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

526
00:51:18.409 --> 00:51:24.507
<v Eric Zimmerman>But we're going to hear a little bit later about why we should amend our council codes and our procedures and yada yada.

527
00:51:24.652 --> 00:51:34.688
<v Eric Zimmerman>But what we saw was a committee took an action to table something so we could work on it, and instead the sponsor went ahead and got 4 of you guys to send it straight to council without going back through it.

528
00:51:34.784 --> 00:51:38.059
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't think that was exactly the intent of tabling it.

529
00:51:38.894 --> 00:51:41.800
<v Eric Zimmerman>So my encouragement would be, this has a lot of holes in it.

530
00:51:42.956 --> 00:51:52.670
<v Eric Zimmerman>Those of you that have reservations should probably pass it because the other side here will make it a big talking point and make it a big thing if you don't, and yada, yada, yada.

531
00:51:52.735 --> 00:51:56.230
<v Eric Zimmerman>And this is a pet project of our council president and of the PSA here.

532
00:51:57.721 --> 00:51:59.853
<v Eric Zimmerman>But there was real reason to work on something.

533
00:52:00.606 --> 00:52:01.007
<v Eric Zimmerman>And it's—.

534
00:52:01.231 --> 00:52:13.166
<v Eric Zimmerman>This is an example of where I think the committee system has not lived up to its spirit because to question something because you want to work on it is in the spirit of committee.

535
00:52:14.644 --> 00:52:15.768
<v Eric Zimmerman>That didn't happen here.

536
00:52:15.992 --> 00:52:21.789
<v Eric Zimmerman>That was invited multiple times by the chair of the committee to do, and I appreciated that very much, Councilor Novick.

537
00:52:22.817 --> 00:52:25.579
<v Eric Zimmerman>But time and time again, that spirit didn't live up to it.

538
00:52:25.708 --> 00:52:27.329
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I still think we should pass it today.

539
00:52:27.731 --> 00:52:28.244
<v Eric Zimmerman>We should do that.

540
00:52:28.934 --> 00:52:32.675
<v Eric Zimmerman>We should lean heavily on the city administrator who now has to go fill in all the holes.

541
00:52:32.789 --> 00:52:32.916
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

542
00:52:34.224 --> 00:52:45.963
<v Eric Zimmerman>For an ordinance, but I think we should be cautious about passing a law that applies to different geographic locations at different times based on the thing that's happening there and whether or not that's known to the general public when they walk into that building.

543
00:52:46.492 --> 00:52:50.070
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that can be a little confusing, and we're talking about laws and how they're applied.

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00:52:50.679 --> 00:53:01.014
<v Eric Zimmerman>Just frankly, I know that I'll get the benefit of the doubt more than other people will get the benefit of the doubt when I mistakenly break a law, and I think that we have to think about that and how those are applied more generally.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor So those are my thoughts.

546
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:04.418
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm going to vote for this.

547
00:53:04.628 --> 00:53:11.101
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that there are deep political risks and safety risks and other things like that that outweigh it.

548
00:53:11.166 --> 00:53:24.007
<v Eric Zimmerman>And this was always just a game for some folks, I think, and a special project that I don't think will actually make much of a situation here different until we have a deep fixing of it by the city administrator.

549
00:53:27.315 --> 00:53:31.210
<v Jamie Dunphy>Hey, just to direct my colleagues to the actual exhibit.

550
00:53:31.356 --> 00:53:32.367
<v Jamie Dunphy>This has been amended twice.

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00:53:33.043 --> 00:53:37.123
<v Jamie Dunphy>On June 16th, the committee adopted an amendment to this, and again on August 3rd.

552
00:53:37.943 --> 00:53:41.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>And a motion to table is not a motion to continue working.

553
00:53:41.811 --> 00:53:43.925
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is a motion to stop work on an item.

554
00:53:43.989 --> 00:53:45.795
<v Jamie Dunphy>So that is factually different.

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00:53:46.507 --> 00:53:47.737
<v Eric Zimmerman>We had commented—.

556
00:53:47.818 --> 00:53:49.016
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Morillo.

557
00:53:50.862 --> 00:53:51.865
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

558
00:53:54.858 --> 00:54:05.099
<v Angelita Morillo>I guess I'll just start by saying that I don't appreciate the impugning of motives that happened here, and just because someone speaks with a calmer tone as they do it doesn't mean that that's not happening.

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00:54:05.277 --> 00:54:06.684
<v Angelita Morillo>That's right.

560
00:54:06.748 --> 00:54:12.409
<v Angelita Morillo>Council President, I appreciate you being responsive to the community's needs when that came up.

561
00:54:12.554 --> 00:54:21.047
<v Angelita Morillo>I had some questions during committee as well, but I think that this meets the moment for a few different reasons.

562
00:54:21.898 --> 00:54:28.099
<v Angelita Morillo>And it's so funny whenever we try to bring policies forward because we are faced with one of two critiques.

563
00:54:28.565 --> 00:54:36.938
<v Angelita Morillo>Either it is so specific that it's too difficult for the executive to implement, or it's too vague so it's too difficult for the executive to implement.

564
00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:46.322
<v Angelita Morillo>But what the executive sometimes tells us is that they want it to be a bit more open-ended so that they have the wiggle room to implement it in a way that is actually feasible.

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00:54:46.498 --> 00:54:48.842
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that that's that's what this policy is trying to do.

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00:54:49.371 --> 00:54:57.710
<v Angelita Morillo>It was purposefully open-ended so that, you know, the administrator could work with our security teams and everybody else to figure out the logistics.

567
00:54:58.512 --> 00:54:58.817
<v Angelita Morillo>And—.

568
00:54:58.873 --> 00:54:59.313
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

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00:55:00.356 --> 00:55:09.673
<v Loretta Smith>Mr. President, Councilor Morillo is impugning the executive while also impugning the person who had talked before her.

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00:55:10.059 --> 00:55:13.009
<v Loretta Smith>So if you want others to stop, don't impugn the executive.

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00:55:13.365 --> 00:55:16.601
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm not impugning anyone.

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00:55:17.275 --> 00:55:18.653
<v Loretta Smith>I'm talking to Mr. President.

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00:55:18.815 --> 00:55:21.027
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I disagree with your interpretation.

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00:55:21.235 --> 00:55:21.797
<v Jamie Dunphy>So thank you.

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00:55:22.646 --> 00:55:23.594
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Maria, the floor is yours.

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00:55:24.251 --> 00:55:25.373
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

577
00:55:26.753 --> 00:55:28.485
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, I was not impugning the executive.

578
00:55:28.532 --> 00:55:36.422
<v Angelita Morillo>I was saying that sometimes there are just different ideas around what would be helpful as we're trying to work with the executive on how to implement a policy.

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00:55:37.177 --> 00:55:39.974
<v Angelita Morillo>So I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to thank you.

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00:55:40.025 --> 00:55:40.215
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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00:55:40.282 --> 00:55:40.849
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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00:55:44.056 --> 00:55:54.451
<v Angelita Morillo>This policy also, I think, you know, I thought about it a lot within the context of the work that we do in this building, and it is really difficult and it is really different.

583
00:55:54.547 --> 00:55:57.273
<v Angelita Morillo>We are at a heightened political time.

584
00:55:59.610 --> 00:56:07.108
<v Angelita Morillo>You know, everyone feels like they live through unprecedented times, but it sure does feel this way right now, and we have very difficult discussions in this building.

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00:56:07.786 --> 00:56:15.755
<v Angelita Morillo>And I would say that most of us up here, with the exception of a few of us, frankly, do not have the training required to be responsible with a gun.

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00:56:16.445 --> 00:56:25.123
<v Angelita Morillo>And so, uh, and, and I doubt that many of the people who bring weapons into the building because they have a piece of paper that allows you to do it have that type of training.

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00:56:25.413 --> 00:56:26.423
<v Angelita Morillo>That's the reality of it.

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00:56:27.016 --> 00:56:31.541
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, it's also frankly not very hard to get your concealed license.

589
00:56:31.766 --> 00:56:32.246
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not.

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00:56:32.711 --> 00:56:33.867
<v Angelita Morillo>It's a pretty simple process.

591
00:56:34.588 --> 00:56:48.333
<v Angelita Morillo>So the idea of being in chambers with, or, you know, a public meeting like this with more guns accessible to people, I think puts us at increased risk, just the amount of guns.

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00:56:49.342 --> 00:56:51.909
<v Angelita Morillo>So I appreciate you bringing this forward.

593
00:56:52.036 --> 00:56:53.432
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that it meets the moment.

594
00:56:53.961 --> 00:57:06.929
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that it gives the executive the room to actually implement this well and I also want to say, you know, in committee, yes, we have time to workshop things.

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00:57:07.922 --> 00:57:14.010
<v Angelita Morillo>We also have seen other policies move through without any workshopping at all whenever it's politically convenient.

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00:57:14.492 --> 00:57:23.545
<v Angelita Morillo>I would say surveillance pricing, I had some big amendments to be— to close some loopholes on that policy, and that was moved through committee because of the makeup of the committee, right?

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00:57:23.929 --> 00:57:45.971
<v Angelita Morillo>So we can't ignore that there are political dynamics also with the number of people on committees, how many votes someone has, that have nothing to do with the merit of a policy and sometimes have to do with the political motivation of perhaps not wanting to vote on a difficult gun policy, uh, when it— when, when you don't agree with it.

598
00:57:46.858 --> 00:57:48.836
<v Angelita Morillo>But this is what our constituents have asked us for.

599
00:57:49.534 --> 00:57:51.625
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so again, thank you for bringing this forward.

600
00:57:51.722 --> 00:57:56.061
<v Angelita Morillo>I will be supportive of it, and, uh, Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

601
00:57:56.157 --> 00:57:57.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Vice President Clark.

602
00:57:58.164 --> 00:57:59.657
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor President.

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00:57:59.994 --> 00:58:13.588
<v Olivia Clark>I almost regret asking the question, but I think it's been a helpful conversation, and I find some relief in knowing that CA Lee will work on this and that we'll all have input into it.

604
00:58:13.652 --> 00:58:15.273
<v Olivia Clark>So I'll be voting for it.

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00:58:15.338 --> 00:58:15.804
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

606
00:58:15.916 --> 00:58:16.878
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

607
00:58:17.023 --> 00:58:17.632
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

608
00:58:18.693 --> 00:58:19.478
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

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00:58:19.543 --> 00:58:28.791
<v Sameer Kanal>Just to answer Vice President Clark's question a little, a little more just to add color to that, there was a motion to table it at the Community and Public Safety Committee.

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00:58:28.856 --> 00:58:29.697
<v Sameer Kanal>It passed 3-2.

611
00:58:30.896 --> 00:58:38.527
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that there may be differences of opinion on why, what the purpose of that was, but I can tell you for me specifically, I voted to table it.

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00:58:39.965 --> 00:58:46.264
<v Sameer Kanal>And the reason was because we were waiting on briefings and we were told that we were— we just hadn't had briefings.

613
00:58:46.329 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Sameer Kanal>I think Councilor Novick and I specifically had not yet received the sort of PSSA side of what was going on.

614
00:58:52.458 --> 00:58:54.253
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, that is not their fault.

615
00:58:54.317 --> 00:58:58.851
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to be clear, it was a scheduling issue, uh, not PSSA's fault and not any of my colleagues' fault.

616
00:58:58.900 --> 00:58:59.652
<v Sameer Kanal>It just hadn't happened.

617
00:59:00.085 --> 00:59:06.496
<v Sameer Kanal>And so, um, as soon as that tabling happened, um, I did get the briefing eventually, got my questions answered on the policy.

618
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.239
<v Sameer Kanal>And then in parallel to that, I guess it was being, um, discharged to the full council.

619
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:13.706
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's how we're here.

620
00:59:14.012 --> 00:59:14.251
<v Steve Novick>Thanks.

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00:59:14.748 --> 00:59:15.565
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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00:59:15.871 --> 00:59:16.367
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

623
00:59:17.878 --> 00:59:18.434
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you.

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00:59:18.579 --> 00:59:20.295
<v Angelita Morillo>I, I appreciate you bringing that up too.

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00:59:20.438 --> 00:59:35.380
<v Angelita Morillo>I just wanted to add that there are always weird quorum issues that we have to deal with, but Councilors Zimmerman and I were able to talk with the city attorneys and with the safety team to get a more in-depth briefing on this as well.

626
00:59:36.326 --> 00:59:41.728
<v Angelita Morillo>So during that briefing, I felt like I had more of my questions answered and I felt comfortable moving forward.

627
00:59:41.775 --> 00:59:44.887
<v Angelita Morillo>So I just wanted to thank you, Councilor Murillo.

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00:59:45.063 --> 00:59:45.692
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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00:59:46.835 --> 00:59:54.668
<v Steve Novick>This is kind of an aside, but I want to say, having lived through lots of different times, I have to agree with Councilor Murillo that this time feels more unprecedented than most.

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00:59:56.706 --> 00:59:57.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

631
00:59:57.992 --> 00:59:58.538
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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01:00:00.161 --> 01:00:03.311
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I'd just like to say ditto, ditto, ditto on that.

633
01:00:03.536 --> 01:00:17.273
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I saw something in one of the committees yesterday, and I think, uh, Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney was, um, chairing a committee and watching it on, um, on Instagram.

634
01:00:18.094 --> 01:00:18.996
<v Loretta Smith>I was afraid.

635
01:00:20.606 --> 01:00:22.635
<v Loretta Smith>I mean, I was literally afraid.

636
01:00:23.487 --> 01:00:25.177
<v Loretta Smith>And I don't know who got up.

637
01:00:25.338 --> 01:00:26.530
<v Loretta Smith>Was that you, Councilor Zimmerman?

638
01:00:27.271 --> 01:00:27.335
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yes.

639
01:00:27.608 --> 01:00:33.489
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you for having presence of mind because I wasn't sure what he was actually going to do yesterday.

640
01:00:33.652 --> 01:00:36.175
<v Loretta Smith>Um, Councilor Council President, there was something that happened.

641
01:00:36.255 --> 01:00:37.121
<v Loretta Smith>Were you in, in the—.

642
01:00:38.324 --> 01:00:38.675
<v Jamie Dunphy>I watched.

643
01:00:39.204 --> 01:00:52.960
<v Loretta Smith>And this guy just kind of went off, and he had a very beautifully produced, uh, Instagram post, and he was doing all kind of crazy stuff, and, uh, security escorted him out of here.

644
01:00:53.793 --> 01:00:59.885
<v Loretta Smith>It was— I, I, it was unconscionable what he was saying, and I had no idea what he was going to do next.

645
01:01:00.759 --> 01:01:05.023
<v Loretta Smith>And I was afraid for the people in this council.

646
01:01:05.764 --> 01:01:07.476
<v Loretta Smith>I didn't know if he was going to bring out a gun or something.

647
01:01:07.557 --> 01:01:09.027
<v Loretta Smith>I didn't know what the guy was going to do.

648
01:01:09.157 --> 01:01:11.913
<v Loretta Smith>And then he didn't want to leave and he was doing all kinds of crazy things.

649
01:01:12.355 --> 01:01:14.208
<v Loretta Smith>Y'all got to watch this Instagram.

650
01:01:15.688 --> 01:01:24.974
<v Loretta Smith>And so for me, I'm really tired of this council being used as a prop.

651
01:01:26.574 --> 01:01:27.887
<v Loretta Smith>Because we're videotaping.

652
01:01:27.983 --> 01:01:31.353
<v Loretta Smith>And they brought their own kind of camera crew.

653
01:01:31.994 --> 01:01:37.355
<v Loretta Smith>And if you all look at this, this is like something— it was produced like a movie and talked over.

654
01:01:37.532 --> 01:01:37.853
<v Loretta Smith>I don't know.

655
01:01:38.574 --> 01:01:39.329
<v Loretta Smith>It's crazy.

656
01:01:39.393 --> 01:01:44.208
<v Loretta Smith>So for me, we have to take people seriously when they do stuff.

657
01:01:44.672 --> 01:01:49.231
<v Loretta Smith>We are at a time that it is— I mean, it is unprecedented times.

658
01:01:49.744 --> 01:01:51.333
<v Loretta Smith>And you don't know what folks are going to do.

659
01:01:51.413 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Loretta Smith>I had no idea.

660
01:01:52.525 --> 01:01:57.692
<v Loretta Smith>Dia, on February 18th, when that lady came up here and crossed around, she didn't stop anywhere else.

661
01:01:57.996 --> 01:02:03.454
<v Loretta Smith>She went around and came to me and attempted to cross the, the dais.

662
01:02:03.929 --> 01:02:09.543
<v Loretta Smith>And had the security not pushed her back, she was leaping towards me.

663
01:02:10.831 --> 01:02:13.617
<v Loretta Smith>Now that's scary.

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01:02:14.762 --> 01:02:17.253
<v Loretta Smith>And what I saw yesterday was equally scary.

665
01:02:17.467 --> 01:02:22.518
<v Loretta Smith>So we need to put some policies in place to make sure that we're safe in here.

666
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:30.905
<v Loretta Smith>And we need to make sure that counselors know that they cannot be letting folks in that back door because we have no security.

667
01:02:33.643 --> 01:02:35.545
<v Loretta Smith>We can't control who they let in.

668
01:02:35.981 --> 01:02:37.206
<v Loretta Smith>And we got to be very careful.

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01:02:37.416 --> 01:02:39.416
<v Loretta Smith>And folks were let in by counselors.

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01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.094
<v Loretta Smith>And I was not happy about that.

671
01:02:42.884 --> 01:02:49.873
<v Loretta Smith>But we need to really understand that just because we have some decorum about how we're going to do.

672
01:02:50.356 --> 01:02:54.076
<v Loretta Smith>We cannot dictate what our friends are going to do when they come through.

673
01:02:54.847 --> 01:03:01.277
<v Loretta Smith>And if we give them a leg up, it's going to be on that councilor who brings those folks in here.

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01:03:02.831 --> 01:03:02.994
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:03:03.235 --> 01:03:04.012
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

676
01:03:04.367 --> 01:03:04.983
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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01:03:08.809 --> 01:03:14.130
<v Candace Avalos>Processing that last bit because I'm like, what is— I don't understand what the conclusion of that comment is.

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01:03:14.307 --> 01:03:26.969
<v Candace Avalos>But I think ultimately My view is that this ordinance, you know, hearing the discussion and how it moved through the tabling, the workshopping committee, clearly issues that we need to continue to work through.

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01:03:27.034 --> 01:03:34.615
<v Candace Avalos>And I agree with Councilor Murillo that those standards are not applied evenly, and the people who often complain the most are the ones who don't apply them evenly.

680
01:03:34.969 --> 01:03:35.545
<v Candace Avalos>Let's call it out.

681
01:03:36.106 --> 01:03:37.934
<v Candace Avalos>So I think that this is important.

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01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:49.987
<v Candace Avalos>I think any kind of fear that we might feel by people exercising their First Amendment rights is only going to feel more scary if we don't know if people are allowed to bring in concealed weapons.

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01:03:50.052 --> 01:03:53.360
<v Candace Avalos>So this is obvious to me that we should remove this.

684
01:03:53.423 --> 01:03:58.996
<v Candace Avalos>I'm glad that the service area proposed it, that the council president led on it.

685
01:03:59.510 --> 01:04:06.478
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know all the intricacies of the back and forth with the tabling and all that, but the legislation seems pretty straightforward and I plan on supporting it.

686
01:04:06.735 --> 01:04:06.815
<v Anita Davidson>Thanks.

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01:04:07.681 --> 01:04:08.425
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

688
01:04:10.300 --> 01:04:13.956
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on this item?

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01:04:16.579 --> 01:04:20.324
<v Keelan McClymont>This is for document 2026-123.

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01:04:20.873 --> 01:04:21.213
<v Keelan McClymont>Clerk?

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01:04:24.012 --> 01:04:24.028
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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01:04:24.918 --> 01:04:25.661
<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry, thank you.

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01:04:26.195 --> 01:04:26.340
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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01:04:27.487 --> 01:04:27.505
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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01:04:28.554 --> 01:04:28.943
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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01:04:29.121 --> 01:04:29.282
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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01:04:29.831 --> 01:04:30.139
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

698
01:04:30.641 --> 01:04:30.688
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:31.594
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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01:04:33.155 --> 01:04:35.527
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, CA Lee, for trying to protect us.

701
01:04:36.672 --> 01:04:36.722
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

702
01:04:38.369 --> 01:04:38.418
<v Raymond C. Lee>Aye.

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01:04:39.822 --> 01:04:39.952
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

704
01:04:42.646 --> 01:04:42.693
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

705
01:04:43.532 --> 01:04:43.644
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

706
01:04:44.257 --> 01:04:44.304
<v Laura Labarre>Aye.

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01:04:45.706 --> 01:04:45.755
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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01:04:46.449 --> 01:04:47.865
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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01:04:47.963 --> 01:04:48.092
<v Raymond C. Lee>Aye.

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01:04:48.929 --> 01:04:50.958
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

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01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:52.666
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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01:04:52.731 --> 01:04:55.773
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call our next item, item 11, document 2026-286?

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01:04:58.746 --> 01:05:01.762
<v Keelan McClymont>Protect Portland firefighters from job-related risks.

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01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:03.755
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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01:05:03.802 --> 01:05:05.811
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the first reading of a resolution.

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01:05:05.891 --> 01:05:11.512
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have, uh, Kevin Alvarez from Council Operations here with a committee staff summary report.

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01:05:12.155 --> 01:05:12.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning, Kevin.

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01:05:13.358 --> 01:05:15.335
<v Kevin Alvarez>Good morning, Council President and councilors.

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01:05:15.447 --> 01:05:15.817
<v Kevin Alvarez>Good morning.

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01:05:15.864 --> 01:05:21.518
<v Kevin Alvarez>For the record, my name is Kevin Alvarez and I serve as a council policy analyst for the City Life Committee.

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01:05:22.016 --> 01:05:24.635
<v Kevin Alvarez>The resolution before you, document number 2026, Thank you.

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01:05:24.682 --> 01:05:32.717
<v Kevin Alvarez>Resolution 2026-286 was heard in the City Life Committee on September 22nd, 2026, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation it be adopted.

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01:05:33.690 --> 01:05:39.945
<v Kevin Alvarez>The resolution declares that city council support for Portland Fire and Rescue firefighters and its commitment to their health and safety.

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01:05:40.266 --> 01:05:53.510
<v Kevin Alvarez>It supports continued research into the effects of PFAS— sorry, I could not pronounce that, what the acronym stands for— and stresses the urgency of identifying industry solutions thank you.

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01:05:53.583 --> 01:05:53.742
<v Kevin Alvarez>Thank you, Mayor.

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01:05:53.753 --> 01:05:53.777
<v Kari Koch>Councilmember Herbold.

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01:05:53.789 --> 01:05:53.826
<v Lauren Johnson>Thank you, Mayor.

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01:05:53.826 --> 01:05:58.570
<v Kevin Alvarez>I'd like to move that the City of Portland adopt a resolution to adopt a new fire department policy to encourage the use of PFS-free firefighting personnel protective equipment.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>The resolution requests that the city administrator, as soon as suitable PFS-free firefighting personnel protective equipment is available, stop further purchases of equipment containing PFS and replace it with PFS-free equipment.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>It also requests that the city administrator provide an annual update to council on the progress of the transition, including its timing.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>Any challenges encountered and projected costs.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>Lastly, the resolution establishes the, the PFAS replacement subfund within the Portland Fire and Rescue Fire Capital Fund and states that council will consider appropriating general fund underspending to the subfund to save for the transition to PFAS-free firefighting personal protective equipment.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>The full impact statement on this item includes financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>No verbal or written testimony was provided prior to committee action.

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<v Kevin Alvarez>That concludes the committee staff summary.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, this came out of your committee.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Any opening remarks?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This did come out of my committee, and I really appreciate the fact that Councilor Zimmerman worked closely with the Bureau to bring this item forward.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It was brought forward, we were told, in a way that essentially sets up the Bureau to be able to make these necessary changes when the time comes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We had a, a pretty quick hearing on it only because there was, I think, across-the-board agreement that this was a direction we need to move in.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I am happy to turn it over to Councilor Zimmerman to share more about the specifics since it was his ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman, please take it away.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you, Chair and Council President.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I recognize that it can be a little bit of like, what exactly is this doing?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'll just kind of normal guy it for a few minutes here.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So, uh, you are probably aware that firefighters and the industry of firefighters have higher likelihoods of cancer than many of us.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>A lot of that, and in places where we can mitigate that, we, we look at.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>One of those reasons is that PFAS, which is a way of saying the permanent kind of chemicals that never leave, are part of our protective suits that our employees wear.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And that's part of how they can walk into a hot environment and be safe.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But things degrade over time.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>These suits have these PFAS present.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>There is technology on the horizon, and there are departments across the country who are getting ready to invest in the suits that don't have PFAS.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that that's a good thing.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>We're not quite to that point of being able to do that.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And the cost to do that investment is significant.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So what this is establishing and asking you all to consider is that on the years when Portland Fire Bureau has underspend, that a portion of that underspend go to— we would be creating in this resolution a subfund and basically a savings account for the day when the chief believes that that tech, that new suit technology does exist so that she can make a broad purchase to make sure that every firefighter gets one in the same year whenever we're ready to make that jump as an agency.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's a good thing, and I, and I think that's a good thing for a couple of reasons.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>If I have my facts right, I think each firefighter has a couple of suits and they rotate them and they clean them, and it's basically like a 5-year rotational suit type of service.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And so if, let's say, in the year 2028, fire suits are— now it's time, the chief wants to make that purchase— only a few firefighters in every one year are going to get them because the regular capital maintenance budget for firefighter replacement suits only takes care of a few.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But we're saying is, as soon as we have a safer alternative for PFAS chemicals, we'd like to make A one-fell swoop, at least to get everybody one.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>That's going to take a bit of a bank account.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And so without directing the amount and allowing it to occur then in the budget process, which is the right place for it to go, this signals 2 things: creation of a subfund so we can get ahead of that, which is what we do with a lot of apparatus purchases and larger capital purchases, and in some ways it kind of incentivizes that end-of-year spend that we all know is present in bureaus, that there's also an aspect where it stays within that bureau, at least a portion of it, as determined by the council and the city administrator, that I think would be a helpful move in that direction.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Our—.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So the International Association of Firefighters is calling for work in this area.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Our own union is calling for work in this area.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And this was a mechanism that I thought was—.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>In response to those calls.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I really appreciated the chief and the professional staff in the bureau helping us come up with a way that wasn't just funding something upright upfront that is not ready to be purchased today, but let's do smaller dollars over the next couple of years so that we can lessen the deep cut whenever it's time to go.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I will note that both our union president and the fire chief are in the room if you have specific questions, and I'm sure that on the rotation of suits and all that, she's much better to answer than I.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But that was the gist of what today is, and I hope I gave it the normal guy answer versus the very analytical answer.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Keelan, has anyone signed up for testimony on this item?

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<v Keelan McClymont>We have 2 people signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, I'm going to ask— we, uh, we have technical or clarifying questions for anyone in the queue so we can ask, uh, Chief or, uh, our friends from the union.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, So is everybody in the queue for technical clarifying questions?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green?

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<v Mitch Green>I think so.

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<v Mitch Green>I'll ask the question and you can tell me if it's something we should wait for.

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<v Mitch Green>My question is just on the last, be it further resolved.

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<v Mitch Green>We're establishing a subfund in a resolution.

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<v Mitch Green>Typically we do that in an ordinance.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I just wanted to know if there was any conversation around that.

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<v Mitch Green>I support this resolution, but I'm curious about that technical aspect.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think with that, I might have to call a friend in our CFO to understand best mechanisms here, but I think it's signaling intent might be the best.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>But okay, Mr. Biery.

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<v Jonas Biery>Yeah, thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jonas Biery>For the record, Jonas Biery, City Chief Financial Officer.

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<v Jonas Biery>Yeah, that's correct.

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<v Jonas Biery>So technically, Council appropriates creation of capital F funds, and then we often have subfunds underneath that.

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<v Jonas Biery>And so this is just a clear directive for us to create that specific subfund for the specific purpose.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay, thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>So if we adopt this resolution, we're saying it is okay by resolution for City Council to establish a subfund and then signal intent to fund that later down the road?

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<v Jonas Biery>That's correct.

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<v Jonas Biery>So effectively what would happen is, I think Councilor Zimmerman described, in a circumstance where that underspending develops, that this is sort of the first checkpoint to say we now know there's a directive from council to treat that underspending in this specific way.

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<v Jonas Biery>Ultimately, that would come forward as a proposal in the budget that's subject to council's adoption of that appropriation.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay, that clarifies.

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<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>How many firefighters would we have to outfit and what is the cost?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to ask our chief to come on up.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Hey, good morning.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Lauren Johnson, fire chief, for the record.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Thanks for that question, Councilor.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Um, if we only bought one set for everybody, currently we spend $4,500 per person, and so in today's dollars, that's $3.15 million that we would need to spend if we found suitable replacements and needed to do an entire replacement for all of our firefighters.

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<v Loretta Smith>How many firefighters do we have?

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<v Lauren Johnson>About 700, authorized strength.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I like this idea.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think it's great.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, but I'm, I'm thinking you all have mandatory overtime every year.

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<v Loretta Smith>I don't know where you would get the money to ever fund this.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think this is so important that this is an ask that you need to ask the mayor and the city administrator for, uh, so that when we have undersavings in other parts of our budget, that we can take from those undersavings, because you all never have any undersavings.

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<v Loretta Smith>So this is kind of, for me, um, we, we'll be waiting a long time before we get this technology.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think it's, it's critical and it's crucial and it's it's crucial enough for us to get it right now?

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<v Loretta Smith>If, if we had the $3.1 million today, could we go out and purchase it?

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<v Lauren Johnson>So I want to be clear right now, the technology that is talked about in this resolution doesn't meet standards that would protect Portland firefighters today.

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<v Lauren Johnson>So we're not there yet.

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<v Lauren Johnson>We currently spend about— we, we buy about 100 replacement sets per year at that $4,500 cost.

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<v Lauren Johnson>And, and that's because we know that the gear that we're in now is supposed to last us about 7 to 8 years total.

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<v Lauren Johnson>It's got a maximum of 10 that we have to retirement at, retire it at.

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<v Lauren Johnson>And so we kind of work through this capital replacement plan, even though often you're 100% correct, we don't have any cushion there so that if we did need to make a change immediately that would impact our entire workforce, we wouldn't be able to do that with our current budget.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>I, I think this is worth an ask.

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<v Lauren Johnson>I appreciate that.

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<v Loretta Smith>In, uh, C for 8 years, this is an important ask.

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<v Olivia Clark>Yes, ma'am.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Council President, can I clarify something?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>To, to that point, I think that that is the crux of— at some point, I think the chief is going to come to the mayor and to this council and say, I need $3.1 million in 2026 dollars, and that's going to be a hard lift.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>This signals intent that we start the piggy bank now with whatever pennies we can find so that the ask is less than $3.1 million whenever she's ready to make that transition because of any little savings on top.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So if that ask is $2 million in a few years when the technology is ready, I think that that's what I'm hoping that I'm conveying to you all because we had a great discussion.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And Chief, I really appreciate it.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>There are some departments who've maybe made the jump and they might be regretting that today.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>They're not ready.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think having faith in the chief's decision for when it's time, because there are different companies out there trying different stuff and it's not holding up.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I don't want to rush it.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You know, a year ago our, our thought was it was ready, and we've learned it is not ready.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So that's when we transition to establishing a subfund so that we don't get a $3.1 million ask.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>We get a little bit less because she says, I have a subfund with you know, 30% of what I'd need.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I hope that helps because you, Councilor Smith, you hit on the head kind of the crux of what this was about.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilors.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, thanks for bringing this forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I guess the— I had 2 questions, the first of which was asked by Councilor Green already, so I appreciate that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, the second one was effectively this does not— this is designed to be an additional process to the roughly 1/7 or 1/8 of turnouts being replaced every year, right?

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<v Sameer Kanal>This is not in any way superseding that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Correct.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Right.

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<v Lauren Johnson>I don't want to speak for Councilor Zimmerman, but that's correct.

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<v Lauren Johnson>The thought behind this is when the technology comes out and we do identify a suitable replacement that really reduces the PFAS exposure for our firefighters, that it's best for our members, it's best for the city to say we're going to make a wholesale change for all of our employees and provide this protective equipment at a higher standard to all of you rather than just 1/7 gets it this year, 1/7 gets the next year.

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<v Lauren Johnson>So it really enables an entire workforce change into better protective gear when that's available.

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<v Steve Novick>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then relatedly, is the intent then that once that first purchase is made of, let's say it's 30%, as you said, Councilor Zimmerman, and then we're maybe Making up the other 70% with one-time dollars, that that replacement process would continue to get the second set of turnouts?

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<v Lauren Johnson>That's right, that's right.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for clarifying.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Appreciate that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, uh, Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>It's for later.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, well, I put myself in the queue then because I have a technical question.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, we've had a lot of conversations on this dais about underspend.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Does this you know, effort towards moving to capture underspend in this very specific way, does that affect any other portions of either the Fire Bureau's future planning or of the broader public safety service area?

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<v Lauren Johnson>So I would say just from my standpoint, and Jonas can come up and speak for the broader end, what it does, and I think I mentioned this to committee, if we know that that technology is close and we're 2 to 3 years out, When we're thinking about, do we go ahead and continue to buy 100 sets per year for the next 3 years, or can we really limp along and put some of that into savings and be ready in 3 years to buy this new technology for all of our members?

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<v Lauren Johnson>That's the only time that I can see it really impacting our spending and planning for that capital replacement.

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<v Lauren Johnson>But certainly we're not in a position right now where we are identifying any underspend.

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<v Lauren Johnson>It's really for a more optimistic time that we're all working for.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Thank you.

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<v Lauren Johnson>Yeah, thanks.

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<v Jonas Biery>And yeah, I would just add, regarding kind of the broader underspending, this sort of puts it a little bit in kind of first chair when that underspending develops.

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<v Jonas Biery>It's, uh, my read of the resolution is it says we'll consider, right?

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<v Jonas Biery>So when that underspending does develop, this is sort of the first consideration of should we put those funds aside into this subfund.

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<v Jonas Biery>And then again, just reiterating, ultimately, It's up to this council to decide where those— where that appropriation ultimately lands.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Keelan, can we please call our public testifiers?

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<v Keelan McClymont>First up, we have Isaac McLennan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please identify yourself for the record.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to share your pronouns.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You got 3 minutes.

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<v Isaac McLennan>All right.

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<v Isaac McLennan>Good morning, Council President Dunphy, members of council.

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<v Isaac McLennan>My name is Isaac McLennan.

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<v Isaac McLennan>I'm the president of the Portland Firefighters Association representing firefighters, EMTs, paramedics of Portland Fire and Rescue, CHAT, and PSR.

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<v Isaac McLennan>I'm here today to speak in support of Resolution 2026-286 and the importance of protecting our firefighters from occupational cancer.

899
01:21:02.480 --> 01:21:05.994
<v Isaac McLennan>First, I want to thank Councilor Zimmerman for bringing this resolution forward.

900
01:21:06.042 --> 01:21:06.154
<v Isaac McLennan>Thank you.

901
01:21:06.557 --> 01:21:13.466
<v Isaac McLennan>And for working collaboratively with Portland Firefighters Association and Portland Fire and Rescue on an issue that's incredibly important to our members and their families.

902
01:21:14.207 --> 01:21:22.502
<v Isaac McLennan>I also want to recognize Fire Chief Lauren Johnson and Portland Fire and Rescue for their continued dedication in reducing occupational cancer risks.

903
01:21:22.904 --> 01:21:29.872
<v Isaac McLennan>The work being done within our fire department to improve firefighter health and safety is important, and we appreciate that commitment.

904
01:21:31.579 --> 01:21:32.791
<v Isaac McLennan>When someone becomes a firefighter.

905
01:21:33.555 --> 01:21:35.788
<v Isaac McLennan>They understand they're entering a dangerous profession.

906
01:21:36.496 --> 01:21:43.180
<v Isaac McLennan>They accept the risks that are coming when running into burning buildings, rescuing people, or responding to emergencies.

907
01:21:44.208 --> 01:21:46.618
<v Isaac McLennan>But there's another danger that isn't always visible.

908
01:21:47.567 --> 01:21:52.564
<v Isaac McLennan>It's the cumulative exposure of carcinogens and toxic chemicals throughout a firefighter's career.

909
01:21:53.511 --> 01:21:58.878
<v Isaac McLennan>For years, firefighters have worn protective equipment designed to keep us safe from heat and flames.

910
01:21:59.725 --> 01:22:07.277
<v Isaac McLennan>Yet we've learned that some of these, some of that same equipment contains PFAS, commonly known as forever chemicals.

911
01:22:09.179 --> 01:22:10.949
<v Isaac McLennan>Think about that for a moment.

912
01:22:11.594 --> 01:22:19.631
<v Isaac McLennan>The equipment that we depend on to protect our lives may also contribute to long-term health risks.

913
01:22:21.596 --> 01:22:23.788
<v Isaac McLennan>And those risks don't end when our shift is over.

914
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:32.792
<v Isaac McLennan>They follow firefighters home to our families, And sometimes they don't reveal themselves for years or even decades later.

915
01:22:33.899 --> 01:22:40.840
<v Isaac McLennan>We've made significant progress in the fire service when it comes to reducing occupational exposures, but there's still more work to do.

916
01:22:42.073 --> 01:22:46.497
<v Isaac McLennan>What I appreciate about this resolution is that it recognizes that we need to prepare for the future.

917
01:22:47.859 --> 01:22:53.838
<v Isaac McLennan>Transitioning an entire fire department to new protective equipment will require planning, resources, and financial commitment.

918
01:22:54.300 --> 01:23:00.006
<v Isaac McLennan>Establishing a dedicated fund and requiring annual updates creates a framework that will work.

919
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:09.427
<v Isaac McLennan>It's also important that we— it's also important that any replacement equipment meets the safety and performance standards firefighters depend on.

920
01:23:09.911 --> 01:23:12.496
<v Isaac McLennan>We cannot trade one occupational hazard for another.

921
01:23:14.210 --> 01:23:27.018
<v Isaac McLennan>As the president of Portland Firefighters Association, one of my responsibilities is to advocate not only for the firefighters serving our community today, but also for the health and well-being of those who will serve in the decades ahead.

922
01:23:28.109 --> 01:23:31.425
<v Isaac McLennan>Our firefighters dedicate their careers to protecting the people of Portland.

923
01:23:32.087 --> 01:23:34.368
<v Isaac McLennan>Their health and safety deserve that same commitment.

924
01:23:34.837 --> 01:23:40.978
<v Isaac McLennan>So thank you, Councilor Zimmerman, Chief Johnson, and the members of council here today for your commitment on this important work.

925
01:23:41.801 --> 01:23:42.335
<v Candace Avalos>Right on time.

926
01:23:42.592 --> 01:23:43.627
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

927
01:23:46.161 --> 01:23:47.824
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Alex Stein.

928
01:23:52.018 --> 01:23:54.407
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Jared Essig.

929
01:24:01.322 --> 01:24:01.547
<v Jamie Dunphy>Morning.

930
01:24:02.048 --> 01:24:07.746
<v Jared Essig>Good morning, uh, President Dunphy, Council of the City of Portland, and citizens thereof.

931
01:24:08.244 --> 01:24:09.114
<v Jared Essig>My name is Jared Essig.

932
01:24:09.163 --> 01:24:21.791
<v Jared Essig>I'm representing the Rose City Iron Front, and I'd like to speak to you about the larger issue of reducing, um, political violence in Portland and around the country, which was addressed by the previous agenda item.

933
01:24:21.903 --> 01:24:29.900
<v Jared Essig>This is also important for firefighter safety since they're sometimes called to put out fires like the one around the Thompson Elk statue back in 2020.

934
01:24:31.988 --> 01:24:33.784
<v Jared Essig>I noticed that you put the statue back up.

935
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:40.637
<v Jared Essig>That was a big political kind of focus.

936
01:24:42.082 --> 01:24:51.590
<v Jared Essig>Now, I think it was a mistake to put it back up before first taking down the Spanish-American War soldier with the brandished gun.

937
01:24:52.853 --> 01:25:03.421
<v Jared Essig>If you care about reducing gun violence and you care about having safe public spaces, then maybe you shouldn't have a soldier in the middle of your plaza with a brandished gun.

938
01:25:05.792 --> 01:25:07.295
<v Jared Essig>I mean, this seems pretty obvious to me.

939
01:25:08.042 --> 01:25:13.672
<v Jared Essig>You know, if you want to reduce gun violence, stop valorizing brandished weapons.

940
01:25:14.859 --> 01:25:20.136
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm sorry, the testimony needs to be like germane to the topic we're talking about, and this is with regard to—.

941
01:25:20.193 --> 01:25:32.680
<v Jared Essig>This is, um, the larger issue of firefighter safety and the safety of police in Portland and public servants in general is related to the issue of what we choose to give civic honor.

942
01:25:33.385 --> 01:25:43.085
<v Jared Essig>Now, um, the Rose City Iron Front has also I'm putting on a new website called portlandmonuments.org, and I've spoken— Councilor Ryan is certain—.

943
01:25:43.261 --> 01:25:44.518
<v Jamie Dunphy>The testimony is out of order.

944
01:25:44.565 --> 01:25:45.177
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize.

945
01:25:45.291 --> 01:25:45.677
<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you, though.

946
01:25:46.163 --> 01:25:46.358
<v Anita Davidson>Okay.

947
01:25:46.502 --> 01:25:47.489
<v Kevin Alvarez>Well, thank you for listening anyway.

948
01:25:47.554 --> 01:25:47.877
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

949
01:25:47.958 --> 01:25:49.884
<v Eric Zimmerman>For the short amount of time to speak.

950
01:25:50.141 --> 01:25:50.514
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

951
01:25:57.884 --> 01:25:58.863
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

952
01:25:59.189 --> 01:26:00.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, colleagues.

953
01:26:00.250 --> 01:26:01.457
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are now into council discussion.

954
01:26:02.029 --> 01:26:06.970
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Council President.

955
01:26:06.970 --> 01:26:09.170
<v Mitch Green>Uh, thank you for bringing this forward, Councilor Zimmerman.

956
01:26:09.170 --> 01:26:10.489
<v Mitch Green>I support the resolution.

957
01:26:11.109 --> 01:26:20.279
<v Mitch Green>Uh, I just— before we take it to a vote, um, there was some kind of conversation earlier about whether— why don't we just ask the mayor to do this?

958
01:26:20.409 --> 01:26:29.069
<v Mitch Green>And I think it's really— it's appropriate to remember that, um, that city councilors, our job is to bring forward resolutions that we want to say this is what we think is important.

959
01:26:29.069 --> 01:26:29.109
<v Mitch Green>Thank the you.

960
01:26:29.181 --> 01:26:30.400
<v Mitch Green>Direction we want the city to go in.

961
01:26:30.945 --> 01:26:33.720
<v Mitch Green>You want to be responsive to the people that you're championing.

962
01:26:34.056 --> 01:26:45.779
<v Mitch Green>So you were being responsive to the firefighters and saying, I want to signal this behavior in the future that will then provide upstream guidance to the city administrator to say, I think we should start to invest in this area.

963
01:26:45.875 --> 01:26:53.765
<v Mitch Green>So I just wanted to affirm that that is our job and that is appropriate, and it doesn't, it doesn't run into conflict with the fire chief asking for resources independently of that.

964
01:26:53.813 --> 01:26:55.385
<v Mitch Green>So I look forward to taking a yes vote.

965
01:26:55.432 --> 01:26:55.609
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

966
01:26:56.434 --> 01:26:57.051
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

967
01:26:57.260 --> 01:26:58.845
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I put myself in the queue next.

968
01:26:58.989 --> 01:27:01.537
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I have never run into a fire, a burning building.

969
01:27:02.033 --> 01:27:04.470
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I have incredible admiration for the people who do.

970
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:25.331
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, prior to my time working for the City Council, however, I was working for the American Cancer Society, um, trying to work side by side with the firefighters, and in fact, at moments, uh, opposing my own leadership within the American Cancer Society on a bill that would have given presumptive coverage under, uh, for firefighters with certain types of cancers.

971
01:27:25.988 --> 01:27:36.795
<v Jamie Dunphy>I've never— I've met an incredible number of firefighters who were diagnosed with cancer as a result of their job, and I've never met a single one who regretted running into burning buildings wearing gear that they ultimately caused their disease.

972
01:27:37.372 --> 01:27:49.542
<v Jamie Dunphy>They want to be taken care of and they don't want it to happen to their next one, but not a single firefighter I've ever met regretted the act of jumping into a fire because knowing that they were wearing equipment that may cause a disease later in their lives.

973
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:52.636
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is absolutely something that we should be prioritizing.

974
01:27:52.893 --> 01:27:53.117
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

975
01:27:53.596 --> 01:28:01.078
<v Jamie Dunphy>These folks are truly heroes in our community, and we should not be letting them slowly poison themselves with their own equipment.

976
01:28:01.417 --> 01:28:02.818
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I look forward to supporting this.

977
01:28:04.322 --> 01:28:06.341
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

978
01:28:06.407 --> 01:28:15.429
<v Sameer Kanal>I also will be supporting this, and I appreciate not only yourself for bringing it forward, Councilor Zimmerman, but I know multiple members of your staff have worked a lot on this particular item and appreciate them as well.

979
01:28:16.270 --> 01:28:26.458
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I think this is a good way of trying to get out ahead of a problem So much of what we spend our time doing is digging out of problems that nobody addressed before we got here.

980
01:28:27.005 --> 01:28:39.706
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think it's responsible to try and dig out of it before it's a hole to dig out of, but actually preventing a problem and starting to put a little bit of money towards something that we know we're going to have a cost related to.

981
01:28:40.412 --> 01:29:00.801
<v Sameer Kanal>I also think in terms of creating fairness in terms of who happens to be up that year when it's their turn otherwise, where only a 7th would have the protections that new turnouts would give and making 6/7 of the force basically wait until their turn comes up.

982
01:29:01.673 --> 01:29:04.756
<v Sameer Kanal>That's not equitable between the members of the fire service.

983
01:29:04.820 --> 01:29:06.789
<v Sameer Kanal>So trying to do that is really important as well.

984
01:29:07.270 --> 01:29:20.703
<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to ask that, you know, it's been brought up that we might otherwise, and even still with this, have a portion of our of this ask still be unmet at that time.

985
01:29:21.314 --> 01:29:29.646
<v Sameer Kanal>And part of the reason for this, and part of the reason why we have these funds, but that they're not always enough, is that we've crucially and repeatedly underfunded the Fire Bureau.

986
01:29:30.208 --> 01:29:31.814
<v Sameer Kanal>I brought this up over and over and over again.

987
01:29:32.055 --> 01:29:42.926
<v Sameer Kanal>It's been a process both of political priorities— that's part of it— but also the calculations in terms of how we determine what is the need that is being met or unmet.

988
01:29:42.974 --> 01:29:43.198
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

989
01:29:44.025 --> 01:29:44.869
<v Sameer Kanal>Even that number's off.

990
01:29:45.304 --> 01:30:00.390
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think it's— this is an important place to continue an ongoing conversation in addition to having a very specific conversation about this subfund and building up the funds available to meet that future cost.

991
01:30:00.778 --> 01:30:08.472
<v Sameer Kanal>To also say we should be trying to avoid building up unmet need at the Fire Bureau in general.

992
01:30:09.069 --> 01:30:09.341
<v Sameer Kanal>Last—.

993
01:30:11.076 --> 01:30:23.734
<v Sameer Kanal>May or June, Councilor Ryan and I had to transfer some money in to address a boat that had been unmaintained for so long that it was operating at, I think, something like 30% of its top speed.

994
01:30:24.953 --> 01:30:32.916
<v Sameer Kanal>And these are, these are things that are happening across the bureau that we should be ensuring are not unmet needs in the future.

995
01:30:33.557 --> 01:30:37.185
<v Sameer Kanal>This resolution does not address all of those, but it addresses one of them that's really important.

996
01:30:37.331 --> 01:30:37.458
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

997
01:30:38.136 --> 01:30:42.300
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm grateful to Councilor Zimmerman for bringing it forward, and I will be happy to vote yes on it.

998
01:30:42.940 --> 01:30:43.774
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

999
01:30:44.127 --> 01:30:44.671
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1000
01:30:45.649 --> 01:30:46.707
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1001
01:30:47.171 --> 01:31:05.940
<v Loretta Smith>I will be supporting this, Councilor Zimmerman, and I would also like to see if we can bring this issue up in the Community and Public Safety Committee, because if people are dying, why are we waiting 7 or 8 years to fund this and then to fund it in a haphazard way?

1002
01:31:06.608 --> 01:31:18.024
<v Loretta Smith>I think that we need to make sure that our firefighters and folks who are on the front lines, that we give them the proper equipment and everybody gets an issue at the same time.

1003
01:31:18.296 --> 01:31:24.001
<v Loretta Smith>And this is something that we probably should talk about for the next fiscal year, that I— that it's that critical.

1004
01:31:24.337 --> 01:31:30.780
<v Loretta Smith>I don't think we can just sit back and say it's enough just to, oh, whenever you have a savings, we'll put it to the side.

1005
01:31:30.828 --> 01:31:37.771
<v Loretta Smith>That doesn't give it any that doesn't give it any priority or let folks know that we think their health is critical.

1006
01:31:38.273 --> 01:31:54.268
<v Loretta Smith>So if you wouldn't mind, not to keep it— I'm going to support it, but I think we need to have deeper conversations in the Community and Public Safety Committee just to talk about the health concerns, because I totally agree with what the council president was talking about.

1007
01:31:54.332 --> 01:31:57.471
<v Loretta Smith>That is just inhumane, in my opinion.

1008
01:31:57.537 --> 01:31:57.715
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1009
01:31:57.811 --> 01:31:59.755
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1010
01:32:00.412 --> 01:32:01.055
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

1011
01:32:02.355 --> 01:32:03.769
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you for bringing this forward.

1012
01:32:04.042 --> 01:32:05.310
<v Angelita Morillo>I will be supportive of it.

1013
01:32:05.792 --> 01:32:13.226
<v Angelita Morillo>And part of the reason, to my understanding, that it asks for us to look for this in the future is because the technology doesn't exist yet.

1014
01:32:13.756 --> 01:32:20.146
<v Angelita Morillo>So this is basically saying that when the technology exists for uniforms that are PFAS-free, then we will invest in it.

1015
01:32:20.500 --> 01:32:23.326
<v Angelita Morillo>But as of right— as of today, the technology doesn't exist.

1016
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:29.958
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Councilor Moriah.

1017
01:32:33.430 --> 01:32:37.261
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll on this resolution?

1018
01:32:38.792 --> 01:32:41.667
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, document 2026-286.

1019
01:32:42.166 --> 01:32:42.568
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

1020
01:32:43.113 --> 01:32:43.162
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1021
01:32:44.576 --> 01:32:44.864
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

1022
01:32:45.203 --> 01:32:45.363
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1023
01:32:45.780 --> 01:32:46.150
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1024
01:32:46.664 --> 01:32:51.617
<v Eric Zimmerman>I thank Trevor Adams on my staff, who we stole from Metro a year ago, who immediately started working on this.

1025
01:32:52.118 --> 01:32:52.167
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1026
01:32:53.573 --> 01:32:53.588
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1027
01:32:54.139 --> 01:32:54.188
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1028
01:32:56.240 --> 01:32:56.288
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1029
01:32:57.777 --> 01:32:57.824
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1030
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:00.168
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1031
01:33:01.108 --> 01:33:01.140
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1032
01:33:03.037 --> 01:33:03.055
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1033
01:33:03.703 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

1034
01:33:04.417 --> 01:33:04.466
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1035
01:33:05.001 --> 01:33:05.405
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

1036
01:33:05.632 --> 01:33:05.681
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1037
01:33:06.542 --> 01:33:06.832
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

1038
01:33:07.173 --> 01:33:07.222
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1039
01:33:07.984 --> 01:33:10.287
<v Keelan McClymont>Resolution is adopted with 12 aye votes.

1040
01:33:10.676 --> 01:33:11.600
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you much, colleagues.

1041
01:33:11.649 --> 01:33:13.335
<v Jamie Dunphy>The time is 10:58.

1042
01:33:13.384 --> 01:33:14.827
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to give us a quick break.

1043
01:33:14.908 --> 01:33:16.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>If everyone could please be back at 11:10.

1044
01:46:28.470 --> 01:46:30.063
<v Lauren Johnson>You're good.

1045
01:46:30.649 --> 01:46:32.048
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm calling this back to order.

1046
01:46:32.264 --> 01:46:35.136
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all so much for your patience while we had a quick human break.

1047
01:46:35.908 --> 01:46:37.353
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call item 12?

1048
01:46:38.395 --> 01:46:46.663
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-372, amend Council Organization and Procedure Code, amend Code Chapter 3.02.

1049
01:46:47.081 --> 01:46:47.690
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

1050
01:46:47.738 --> 01:46:55.155
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm proud to be bringing forward this update to Section 3.02, our own little section of code that governs how we as City Council do our business.

1051
01:46:55.829 --> 01:46:59.041
<v Jamie Dunphy>You might remember a version of this legislation coming forward at the beginning of 2026.

1052
01:46:59.762 --> 01:47:05.389
<v Jamie Dunphy>The updates to 3.02 were the last item that the old governance committee worked on under the leadership of Councilor Koyama Lane.

1053
01:47:06.030 --> 01:47:09.974
<v Jamie Dunphy>These updates were never made it to a full count— to a full vote at the full council until now.

1054
01:47:10.823 --> 01:47:27.113
<v Jamie Dunphy>An incredible amount of work has gone into this proposal since that time, working to preserve the intended outcomes but tightening language, adjusting based on how this body has evolved in that time, and honing in on where there may be areas of broad consensus and where we as a council need to actively debate and vote on the best path forward.

1055
01:47:27.738 --> 01:47:31.671
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm honored to have worked on this draft with Councilors Pirtle-Guiney and Kanal over the last few months.

1056
01:47:32.154 --> 01:47:35.975
<v Jamie Dunphy>We worked together really collaboratively on that refining process.

1057
01:47:36.231 --> 01:47:39.939
<v Jamie Dunphy>We agreed more than we disagreed, and we simply did not agree on everything.

1058
01:47:40.743 --> 01:47:47.533
<v Jamie Dunphy>There were very strong opinions that did not have consensus, and the draft before you as filed is my best attempt at finding a middle ground compromise.

1059
01:47:48.127 --> 01:47:50.422
<v Jamie Dunphy>And from this draft, we will debate and amend.

1060
01:47:50.872 --> 01:47:54.966
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm happy to have Councilor Pirtle-Guiney as a co-sponsor on the draft that you see before you.

1061
01:47:55.030 --> 01:47:55.175
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1062
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:56.716
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll let her provide remarks in a moment.

1063
01:47:56.860 --> 01:48:08.984
<v Jamie Dunphy>And but considering the basis of this draft was her work as council president with the Governance Committee in 2025, we're happy to be sharing this collaboration in the underlying, even where our preferred outcomes may diverge.

1064
01:48:09.867 --> 01:48:12.243
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you to everyone who has submitted amendments to this legislation.

1065
01:48:12.292 --> 01:48:20.609
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are over 25 separate amendments that have been submitted by different councilors, some attempting to achieve the same ends, some clearly pointing in different directions.

1066
01:48:22.185 --> 01:48:28.506
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, there is an enormous amount of work in this document that simply must pass for the next council president to do their job effectively.

1067
01:48:29.148 --> 01:48:40.078
<v Jamie Dunphy>I wish that most of these changes had been in place while I was president, but there is one area where there is no consensus among the 3 folks who worked the most on this draft, and that's regarding the 4-signature discharge.

1068
01:48:40.864 --> 01:48:45.310
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are different schools of thought on when this 4-signature discharge is best used, and we should debate that.

1069
01:48:45.503 --> 01:48:53.527
<v Jamie Dunphy>But if there's no consensus and this issue proves to be a sticking point, I have drafted an amendment that simply kicks the can down the road on this issue.

1070
01:48:53.927 --> 01:48:58.469
<v Jamie Dunphy>It removes all language as proposed and reverts us to the status quo.

1071
01:48:59.302 --> 01:49:04.789
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm ready for a robust debate, but I'm asking now to please not let us get hung up on that one particular issue.

1072
01:49:05.496 --> 01:49:11.720
<v Jamie Dunphy>If we cannot move forward, I'm asking for your support of my amendment to revert to the status quo, and we will continue this conversation.

1073
01:49:13.037 --> 01:49:20.756
<v Jamie Dunphy>My chief of staff, Madeline West, is going to is here to give us a quick presentation walking through the underlying proposal and afterwards the 25 amendments that have been filed.

1074
01:49:21.301 --> 01:49:29.806
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll approach these amendments similar— similarly to how we approached amendments through the budget process, and I hope we can have a civil and productive debate about the best ways for our city council to move forward.

1075
01:49:30.207 --> 01:49:34.349
<v Jamie Dunphy>With that, I'll turn it over to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney for some remarks and then turn it to Madeline for a brief presentation.

1076
01:49:35.744 --> 01:49:45.608
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President, and thank you so much to your staff who have been putting a lot of work into the coordination of this over the last couple of months.

1077
01:49:46.328 --> 01:49:55.270
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have now, colleagues, spent 2 years learning what the rules we were given allowed and what we actually need to operate our new form of government.

1078
01:49:55.944 --> 01:50:00.960
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We've learned a lot in the process about what works well and where we need to make some changes.

1079
01:50:02.113 --> 01:50:07.658
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The ordinance before you, as you heard from the council president, grew out of the ordinance that the last thank you.

1080
01:50:07.721 --> 01:50:15.284
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is an important document that the current Governance Committee worked on and that I brought forward as one of the last items that I filed as our former council president.

1081
01:50:16.649 --> 01:50:31.935
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It was born out of countless conversations with colleagues, legislative staff, our council support staff, and the extensive work of the previous Governance Committee, and many conversations that we have had at this dais and in our committees since then.

1082
01:50:33.412 --> 01:50:36.384
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In the previous governance committee, we worked through numerous amendments.

1083
01:50:36.463 --> 01:50:43.368
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We had substantive discussions about what our rules should look like, how our rules could set us up to do our jobs better.

1084
01:50:44.572 --> 01:50:50.305
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The item that went to full council was then debated substantially, and many amendments were considered there as well.

1085
01:50:51.300 --> 01:51:00.292
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And though the specifics have evolved over time, I do believe that the goals behind that initial ordinance are broadly the same as the goals in the ordinance before us today?

1086
01:51:01.414 --> 01:51:07.613
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>How do we ensure that our committees allow us to do meaningful policy work before items reach full council?

1087
01:51:08.735 --> 01:51:19.829
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>How do we set clear timelines and deadlines throughout our legislative life cycle and clear endpoints so that legislative items continue to move forward and don't languish in our system indefinitely?

1088
01:51:20.921 --> 01:51:27.472
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>How do we secure adequate time to review amendments and ensure that we're producing sound policy that has been reviewed by professionals?

1089
01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:27.617
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1090
01:51:27.829 --> 01:51:30.377
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Staff so that we avoid technical errors?

1091
01:51:31.677 --> 01:51:51.082
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>How do we create a formal system for adopting rules as we move forward, building on the important work done by Councilor Koyama Lane on our governance handbook, ensuring that we have a set of rules outside of the code that we can adapt, uh, more easily and that are more responsive to different configurations of councilors as our body develops over time?

1092
01:51:52.140 --> 01:52:05.542
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think most importantly, How do we ensure that we are operating under rules that provide clear transparency and an understandable system for members of the public who are trying to follow along with our work?

1093
01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:15.555
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The package before us has evolved considerably, and I, as I said at the start, appreciate the work that Council President, you and your team have put into it.

1094
01:52:16.295 --> 01:52:19.520
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I appreciate your partnership in refining the proposal.

1095
01:52:19.569 --> 01:52:19.744
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1096
01:52:24.429 --> 01:52:25.787
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Adopting new rules can be hard.

1097
01:52:26.555 --> 01:52:45.113
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are real advantages to having maximum flexibility and discretion in how we conduct our business, but we also have to ask ourselves whether our current practices are helping us legislate effectively, whether they're helping us hold one another accountable, and whether they are helping us give the public a transparent view of the work that we do.

1098
01:52:45.161 --> 01:52:45.305
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1099
01:52:46.197 --> 01:52:50.451
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think those are broad goals that everybody has expressed support for.

1100
01:52:52.046 --> 01:52:54.591
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think we need a little bit more structure to do those things.

1101
01:52:55.828 --> 01:52:58.738
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to remind everybody that what we adopt today isn't permanent.

1102
01:52:58.962 --> 01:53:08.039
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Just as today we will adopt, or we will work toward adopting by majority, an ordinance to change our rules, we need to make progress.

1103
01:53:08.314 --> 01:53:14.688
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But if we don't get every detail right, if we don't address every issue today, We can continue this work into the future.

1104
01:53:16.710 --> 01:53:24.737
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The underlying package as it is brought forward is something I can support even without amendment, even without my own amendments that I've brought forward.

1105
01:53:26.182 --> 01:53:31.090
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And after we adopt amendments, I intend to support whatever that final package looks like.

1106
01:53:31.912 --> 01:53:36.958
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I hope we can all look at the package before us and find a reason to support it.

1107
01:53:37.819 --> 01:53:48.439
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And after we debate amendments robustly, I hope this lands in a place where we can all commit To supporting it, even if it doesn't look exactly like we each wanted it to.

1108
01:53:49.389 --> 01:53:56.518
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have to find the package that the majority can agree on amendments for and move it forward to make progress.

1109
01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:09.197
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I ask that we trust each other's intentions, give each other the benefit of the doubt, and approach this discussion in the spirit of building an institution that, yes, serves all of us, but most importantly serves Portlanders.

1110
01:54:09.246 --> 01:54:16.952
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilmember As we attempt to do transparent, clear, consistent work to make this city better for all of them.

1111
01:54:17.739 --> 01:54:18.337
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you all so much.

1112
01:54:18.417 --> 01:54:19.417
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1113
01:54:19.466 --> 01:54:21.256
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm looking forward to the overview and the debate.

1114
01:54:21.708 --> 01:54:22.628
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1115
01:54:22.774 --> 01:54:31.993
<v Jamie Dunphy>With that, I'm going to welcome my Chief of Staff, Madeline West, to come up and walk us through a brief presentation on the underlying— oh, no, we're doing that before.

1116
01:54:32.868 --> 01:54:32.983
<v Keelan McClymont>Yep.

1117
01:54:41.309 --> 01:54:41.925
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you all.

1118
01:54:42.021 --> 01:54:43.252
<v Madeline West>Madeline West, for the record.

1119
01:54:43.414 --> 01:54:46.461
<v Madeline West>I will just get up my presentation for you all.

1120
01:54:58.387 --> 01:55:06.775
<v Madeline West>All right, so I'm going to do my best to quickly walk through a quite complicated underlying proposal before you.

1121
01:55:07.326 --> 01:55:09.559
<v Madeline West>Hopefully you've all had a chance to review the red lines.

1122
01:55:10.420 --> 01:55:17.259
<v Madeline West>The presentation has been attached in prior communications to you all, but I'll do my best today, and then there'll be an opportunity for technical questions.

1123
01:55:19.332 --> 01:55:30.636
<v Madeline West>So the intent of this update is to codify lessons learned about the legislative process in 2025 and 2026 into a clear and solid foundation for the next Council to stand on.

1124
01:55:31.237 --> 01:55:36.158
<v Madeline West>These updates have been made in consultation with the clerk, council operations, and legal counsel.

1125
01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:45.935
<v Madeline West>These next couple of slides really are designed to package our changes around topic area.

1126
01:55:46.337 --> 01:55:50.493
<v Madeline West>So I'll briefly go through those major topics and we'll get into more detail later in the presentation.

1127
01:55:51.256 --> 01:56:08.860
<v Madeline West>We have our item submission reorganization, time limits, amendments, council rules, committee rules, discharge from committee as its own topic, clarifications, simple language questions, and code cleanup.

1128
01:56:11.203 --> 01:56:18.074
<v Madeline West>In our item submission section, we are simplifying the referral subsections.

1129
01:56:18.122 --> 01:56:26.788
<v Madeline West>This is really a cleanup to change with broader code in, in the rest of the code, numbers instead of letters in the subsections.

1130
01:56:29.545 --> 01:56:33.148
<v Madeline West>We are changing the active language for councilor committee choice.

1131
01:56:34.149 --> 01:56:37.136
<v Madeline West>Uh, the current is on the left, the proposed is on the right.

1132
01:56:38.021 --> 01:56:45.088
<v Madeline West>Uh, it essentially says the elected official may propose the item be heard first in a committee in full council or no preference.

1133
01:56:45.878 --> 01:57:01.884
<v Madeline West>And if an item is submitted by a councilor and proposed to be heard in a particular committee, it would— the president will refer the next update is our committee and presidential powers deduplicated.

1134
01:57:02.224 --> 01:57:05.055
<v Madeline West>It's just a little confusing across different sections of code.

1135
01:57:06.105 --> 01:57:13.690
<v Madeline West>It simplifies the current rules of the presiding officer to— down to promote efficient council operations.

1136
01:57:14.144 --> 01:57:18.418
<v Madeline West>I'm sure we can go into the details more in the future, but it just felt like the right place for this moment.

1137
01:57:18.467 --> 01:57:18.564
<v Madeline West>Thank you.

1138
01:57:19.617 --> 01:57:26.137
<v Madeline West>They also prepare the agenda, and the auditor produces the agenda for all formal meetings of council.

1139
01:57:26.586 --> 01:57:31.617
<v Madeline West>This is an important distinction that we discussed at length with the clerk.

1140
01:57:32.595 --> 01:57:33.539
<v Madeline West>Council committees.

1141
01:57:34.533 --> 01:57:42.351
<v Madeline West>Committee may refer an item to council with the following recommendations: do pass or adopt, or do pass as amended by the committee.

1142
01:57:43.328 --> 01:57:47.399
<v Madeline West>And a committee may refer an item to another committee for additional consideration.

1143
01:57:47.462 --> 01:57:47.719
<v Madeline West>Thank you.

1144
01:57:49.626 --> 01:58:02.103
<v Madeline West>Update Section 2, the presidential referral time limit, adding a 90-day clock to both sections of referrals, auditor enforcement, and 180-day expiration.

1145
01:58:04.452 --> 01:58:04.501
<v Madeline West>We—.

1146
01:58:04.533 --> 01:58:05.853
<v Madeline West>Yes, I'll just go through these one by one.

1147
01:58:06.046 --> 01:58:11.181
<v Madeline West>The president will refer an item to committee or the full council no matter— no more than 7 business days.

1148
01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:12.695
<v Madeline West>This is currently open.

1149
01:58:12.841 --> 01:58:19.073
<v Madeline West>The president can wait to refer to a committee or full council As long as they choose at this moment.

1150
01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:23.742
<v Madeline West>The 90-day clock placed on committee.

1151
01:58:24.564 --> 01:58:32.872
<v Madeline West>This is making the language just a little bit more clear that the president will place on an agenda in a timely manner not to exceed 90 days.

1152
01:58:33.456 --> 01:58:36.115
<v Madeline West>And this also makes the same rule for committee chairs.

1153
01:58:39.158 --> 01:58:44.314
<v Madeline West>This update clarifies that the auditor is the enforcer of the 90-day clock.

1154
01:58:45.400 --> 01:58:53.472
<v Madeline West>I won't read it all for you, but that is this section for both the full council and for the committee.

1155
01:58:55.559 --> 01:58:58.904
<v Madeline West>Time limits, 180-day expiration at committee or council.

1156
01:58:59.051 --> 01:59:02.235
<v Madeline West>We just did a resolution cleanup earlier this year.

1157
01:59:02.769 --> 01:59:04.506
<v Madeline West>This would be codifying that process.

1158
01:59:04.875 --> 01:59:14.158
<v Madeline West>So rather than having to bring in our own legislation before you to clear the queue, so to speak, items would expire on their own after 180 days.

1159
01:59:14.208 --> 01:59:14.412
<v Madeline West>Thank you.

1160
01:59:18.341 --> 01:59:19.052
<v Madeline West>Amendment rules.

1161
01:59:21.756 --> 01:59:23.310
<v Madeline West>Update 3A and 3B.

1162
01:59:24.588 --> 01:59:31.895
<v Madeline West>Requirement to reduce amendments to writing and gather attorney and budgetary approval of items and amendments.

1163
01:59:32.935 --> 01:59:39.389
<v Madeline West>Amendments proposed to consideration by the council must be reduced to writing and submitted to the council clerk before they may be moved.

1164
01:59:40.626 --> 01:59:49.917
<v Madeline West>Amendments proposed for consideration by a committee must be reduced to writing and submitted to the clerk before they may be moved and are subject to all of the amendment requirements.

1165
01:59:50.496 --> 01:59:58.056
<v Madeline West>Subsection B, or 020B, the city attorney must approve for legal sufficiency.

1166
01:59:58.587 --> 02:00:02.086
<v Madeline West>This is an important addition because it, it really puts parameters.

1167
02:00:02.150 --> 02:00:11.403
<v Madeline West>It's not just asking the attorney to give their legal opinion, but to provide a check of simply legal sufficiency contracts and amendment to contracts.

1168
02:00:11.726 --> 02:00:19.488
<v Madeline West>And it asks that the city budget officer also must approve for accuracy appropriation ordinances before those items are placed on the agenda.

1169
02:00:21.769 --> 02:00:22.854
<v Madeline West>Update on 3C.

1170
02:00:23.712 --> 02:00:25.881
<v Madeline West>This is one that we will discuss in amendments as well.

1171
02:00:27.500 --> 02:00:41.140
<v Madeline West>This changes our code meaningfully but still gives wiggle room to councilors, moving us from a No guidance on when amendments should be filed to a should, but not a must.

1172
02:00:41.556 --> 02:00:50.743
<v Madeline West>So amendments proposed for consideration by the council should be filed in writing with the clerk at least 24 hours before the posted start time of the council meeting.

1173
02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:59.127
<v Madeline West>This is really to better inform the public of our intended actions and allow our council to have more time to develop our processes internally.

1174
02:01:00.815 --> 02:01:00.864
<v Madeline West>Yes.

1175
02:01:01.581 --> 02:01:04.640
<v Madeline West>Amendments, publications of after agenda amendments.

1176
02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:16.859
<v Madeline West>This basically allows the clerk or codifies that the clerk will provide electronic copies of our amendments to the bodies of our city for their review.

1177
02:01:18.055 --> 02:01:20.851
<v Madeline West>Update Section 4, Council Rules.

1178
02:01:21.935 --> 02:01:24.423
<v Madeline West>This is a meaningful change to the governance handbook.

1179
02:01:26.457 --> 02:01:47.261
<v Madeline West>Rather than having the Governance Handbook come before Council as a resolution and debating the contents, this would allow the President to place on file a report of the City Governance Handbook that summarizes current laws, policies, procedures, and practices related to legislative powers, actions, communications, and operations.

1180
02:01:47.935 --> 02:01:56.319
<v Madeline West>The handbook will be written to support incoming staff and Councilors, provide guidance to any new Council leadership, and inform Council's adoption or readoption of legislative rules.

1181
02:01:56.367 --> 02:01:56.479
<v Madeline West>Second.

1182
02:01:58.529 --> 02:02:16.793
<v Madeline West>This also indicates that within 30 days of a general municipal election where we have new councilors potentially taking office, council will adopt or readopt by resolution such legislative rules and procedures that council deems necessary in addition to those laid out in charter and code.

1183
02:02:18.699 --> 02:02:20.221
<v Madeline West>Section 5, committee rules.

1184
02:02:23.469 --> 02:02:25.194
<v Madeline West>This refers to our committee meeting times.

1185
02:02:25.793 --> 02:02:30.216
<v Madeline West>This simply says regular committee meeting times and locations will be set by resolution.

1186
02:02:30.890 --> 02:02:35.476
<v Madeline West>No committee will meet at a time or location not provided by such without approval of the president.

1187
02:02:37.666 --> 02:02:40.559
<v Madeline West>This codifies the referrals.

1188
02:02:41.076 --> 02:02:51.877
<v Madeline West>The committee may refer an item to council with do pass or do adopt, do pass as amended, or they may refer to another committee for additional consideration.

1189
02:02:54.895 --> 02:03:00.225
<v Madeline West>And this talks about additional committee rules by resolution rather than having to put every committee rule in code.

1190
02:03:02.399 --> 02:03:03.748
<v Madeline West>Finally, update number 6.

1191
02:03:03.814 --> 02:03:06.007
<v Madeline West>This one I'm going to dive a little more closely into.

1192
02:03:08.271 --> 02:03:12.971
<v Madeline West>Essentially, this contemplates our discharge from committee process.

1193
02:03:13.052 --> 02:03:13.280
<v Madeline West>Yes.

1194
02:03:16.962 --> 02:03:26.761
<v Madeline West>And it moves from our current practice, which only has a closed position after Item C, after a committee no vote.

1195
02:03:27.612 --> 02:03:37.399
<v Madeline West>It changes the front end, which allows anyone to refer an item before they are heard in committee straight by council discharge to the full body.

1196
02:03:38.682 --> 02:03:44.854
<v Madeline West>This does retain a 4-item discharge between the first hearing at a committee and a committee vote.

1197
02:03:47.565 --> 02:03:49.172
<v Madeline West>This is the language to that effect.

1198
02:03:50.578 --> 02:03:54.277
<v Madeline West>I'm not going to read it all because we have visual aids.

1199
02:03:56.639 --> 02:04:13.774
<v Madeline West>Today, the discharge applies to this whole section of time in the red band, any time from referral To, uh, up until a committee vote.

1200
02:04:14.176 --> 02:04:15.283
<v Madeline West>That's the status quo today.

1201
02:04:15.780 --> 02:04:26.738
<v Madeline West>If we get a no, it is deemed inactive, and folks have been in the situations where it has come up, have refiled and then referred immediately by 4-council discharge.

1202
02:04:27.186 --> 02:04:42.305
<v Madeline West>So even though it may have appeared that the 3rd box was open under today's status quo, it was in fact that the 3rd box Committee no vote was a stop sign, but folks were refiling and immediately walking through the front door to full council.

1203
02:04:45.479 --> 02:04:54.770
<v Madeline West>This is— sorry, this is the discharge under the underlying.

1204
02:04:56.011 --> 02:05:11.614
<v Madeline West>This basically applies to from the first committee hearing, someone can discharge, 4 councilors can discharge between no hearing after it's been heard at the first.

1205
02:05:11.953 --> 02:05:15.744
<v Madeline West>So if something is stagnating in committee, people can discharge it.

1206
02:05:16.740 --> 02:05:26.237
<v Madeline West>There is an inactive phase if there's inaction for 100 days, and there's inactive after a committee no vote.

1207
02:05:26.350 --> 02:05:26.543
<v Madeline West>Okay.

1208
02:05:27.265 --> 02:05:36.028
<v Madeline West>The 10 days is an item for— to contemplate in the amendment, Dunphy 1.

1209
02:05:36.653 --> 02:05:37.005
<v Madeline West>So sorry.

1210
02:05:37.677 --> 02:05:43.494
<v Madeline West>This is the underlying committee no moves to inactive and 180 days moves to inactive.

1211
02:05:44.313 --> 02:05:52.404
<v Madeline West>In the amendment Dunphy 1, this contemplates a 10-day window after a committee no vote within which to discharge.

1212
02:05:52.453 --> 02:05:52.564
<v Madeline West>Okay.

1213
02:05:53.418 --> 02:05:54.144
<v Madeline West>We can come back to this.

1214
02:05:54.192 --> 02:05:55.256
<v Madeline West>Sorry if that wasn't clear.

1215
02:05:55.738 --> 02:06:03.101
<v Madeline West>So inactive after 180 days, 10-day window to revive something after a committee no vote in Dunphy 1.

1216
02:06:05.649 --> 02:06:07.131
<v Madeline West>Updates, Section 7.

1217
02:06:07.565 --> 02:06:10.161
<v Madeline West>This is pretty simple, just some clarification language.

1218
02:06:11.090 --> 02:06:24.908
<v Madeline West>Since we do most things virtually, we're putting virtually in front of telephone, and this talks about folks being able to share with the clerk that they are in fact at the meeting.

1219
02:06:25.100 --> 02:06:30.023
<v Madeline West>So they must be continuously visible or immediately verbally responsive to be considered present.

1220
02:06:30.735 --> 02:06:34.042
<v Madeline West>And this is most especially important at our council votes.

1221
02:06:37.453 --> 02:06:39.563
<v Madeline West>Agenda placement of items pulled from consent.

1222
02:06:39.707 --> 02:06:40.802
<v Madeline West>This is a common practice.

1223
02:06:40.916 --> 02:06:41.737
<v Madeline West>It's not in code.

1224
02:06:42.349 --> 02:06:48.070
<v Madeline West>This says that a removed item from consent will be considered at the same meeting at the end of the agenda.

1225
02:06:48.613 --> 02:06:50.069
<v Madeline West>So we don't have that discussion every time.

1226
02:06:52.770 --> 02:07:07.543
<v Madeline West>This changes our filing deadline from noon to 1:00 to recognize, uh, sometimes we have committee meetings that go until 12:30, so we want to give folks a little buffer there, uh, to move our deadline to submit to 1:00 PM.

1227
02:07:07.864 --> 02:07:08.845
<v Madeline West>Committee memberships.

1228
02:07:08.909 --> 02:07:18.329
<v Madeline West>This just clarifies that outside of the Committee of the Whole, uh, committees must be composed of less than a quorum and must have at least 4 members.

1229
02:07:20.729 --> 02:07:36.506
<v Madeline West>Finally, these are the simple technicals: capitalization of committee, adoption of resolutions as standard across the item virtually by telephone, and finally code cleanup, which removes that little bit of text about the first meeting of 2025.

1230
02:07:37.471 --> 02:07:39.895
<v Madeline West>With that, I will turn it back over to you.

1231
02:07:40.609 --> 02:07:41.127
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Madeline.

1232
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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, before we dive into our amendment process, Are there any technical or clarifying questions about the underlying?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I have a clarifying comment as someone who wrote one piece of this in the first ordinance of the year.

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02:07:58.412 --> 02:08:19.243
<v Sameer Kanal>The piece about— last year, the piece about when a— the stop sign in the bottom right corner, it's— there's been a— in both of those charts, it implies that, and it was stated that when a committee fails to pass, takes a vote on whether to refer it or not, and that vote fails, that that means it's dead, and that's, that's currently what's in there.

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02:08:19.372 --> 02:08:24.882
<v Sameer Kanal>That is not accurate, uh, and I wanted to, um, I wanted to note that.

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02:08:25.283 --> 02:08:29.001
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I'm going to pull up the, um, the document here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>If not referred by a committee to the full council is the, is the time at which the discharge applies.

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02:08:35.953 --> 02:08:41.704
<v Sameer Kanal>And then it continues, any 4 councilors may require in writing that the item be considered by the full council, which has the same effect.

1241
02:08:42.251 --> 02:08:43.439
<v Sameer Kanal>As a referral to the full council.

1242
02:08:43.631 --> 02:08:48.176
<v Sameer Kanal>We may have differences of opinion on where this should go, but that is what the words actually say.

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02:08:49.350 --> 02:08:59.484
<v Sameer Kanal>And what that means is that under the current rules, any time where the vote— any time where the committee has not chosen to refer it on, including a no vote, this is eligible.

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02:08:59.547 --> 02:09:08.235
<v Sameer Kanal>That may not be how it's been used so far, and it may not have been how it's been interpreted, but some of us were in the room where we walked through and made those agreements together.

1245
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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1246
02:09:08.786 --> 02:09:12.997
<v Sameer Kanal>Before that, uh, ordinance that was, uh, filed in January 2025.

1247
02:09:13.061 --> 02:09:15.904
<v Sameer Kanal>And I just wanted to clarify what the current system actually is.

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02:09:17.025 --> 02:09:17.591
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

1249
02:09:17.738 --> 02:09:18.497
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1250
02:09:21.068 --> 02:09:21.423
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1251
02:09:22.507 --> 02:09:30.930
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm trying to understand how this fits with the conversation— I swear we're having déjà vu— we just had in CAW, Committee of the Whole.

1252
02:09:31.333 --> 02:09:33.832
<v Eric Zimmerman>So is this complementary to it?

1253
02:09:33.961 --> 02:09:45.519
<v Eric Zimmerman>Is this in in opposition to what the conversation was in the other— why is this here versus in a work session or the Committee of the Whole where I thought this conversation was already kind of starting?

1254
02:09:46.497 --> 02:09:48.198
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, it sounds like many of you worked on it.

1255
02:09:49.145 --> 02:09:53.509
<v Eric Zimmerman>None of you— I'm— I've not been in any of those rooms, so I'm just trying to understand some bearings here first.

1256
02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:56.396
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, yeah, I, I'm happy to answer that.

1257
02:09:56.604 --> 02:10:03.247
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, this is, uh, deeply related to but a separate item from what was referred back to the Committee of the Whole.

1258
02:10:03.296 --> 02:10:23.823
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is a new filed item that, uh, we worked on, that Councilors Pirtle-Guiney and, uh, Kanal and I worked on using the original document as a base, but recognizing that the draft as written that was submitted back to Committee of the Whole, um, in my opinion, it read like a camel, which is a horse built by committee.

1259
02:10:24.867 --> 02:10:35.273
<v Jamie Dunphy>It was a lot of amendments that had sort of led to direct conflicts and some, uh, cul-de-sacs in my— how I interpreted it.

1260
02:10:35.369 --> 02:10:44.585
<v Jamie Dunphy>So working with, uh, Councilors Kanal and Pirtle-Guiney, I— we redrafted this as a new amendment with cleanup and thought to bring it directly to council.

1261
02:10:44.875 --> 02:10:50.069
<v Eric Zimmerman>So are we— so I guess over— are we still on this item in the Committee of the Whole, Mr.

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02:10:50.118 --> 02:10:51.310
<v Eric Zimmerman>Chair of Committee of the Whole?

1263
02:10:53.550 --> 02:10:54.171
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for the question.

1264
02:10:54.220 --> 02:10:54.677
<v Mitch Green>May I respond?

1265
02:10:55.376 --> 02:11:05.247
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I've been advised that this would supersede not only that item, but related items that the content of which overlaps with this by Council President's office.

1266
02:11:05.407 --> 02:11:05.775
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1267
02:11:05.952 --> 02:11:13.054
<v Eric Zimmerman>And then Council President, just to clarify, so we're doing some technical questions now, and then what does the rest of this item look like in terms of deliberation?

1268
02:11:13.390 --> 02:11:16.083
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, we will have public testimony.

1269
02:11:16.131 --> 02:11:21.197
<v Jamie Dunphy>We will then move into amendments, which we've sent out a run of show earlier.

1270
02:11:22.176 --> 02:11:33.212
<v Jamie Dunphy>The order which will go through them and debate, have time for debate of the— as part of the amendment process, I'm also open to colleagues having debate of the underlying as well.

1271
02:11:33.728 --> 02:11:36.020
<v Jamie Dunphy>And then this is a non-emergency ordinance.

1272
02:11:36.149 --> 02:11:38.814
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so our hope is to get it to second reading by the end of today.

1273
02:11:39.911 --> 02:11:40.426
<v Robert Taylor>Okay.

1274
02:11:41.380 --> 02:11:44.301
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I think this is an inappropriate place for this.

1275
02:11:44.430 --> 02:11:44.560
<v Eric Zimmerman>Not—.

1276
02:11:44.689 --> 02:11:46.432
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I don't mean that like you've done something wrong.

1277
02:11:46.529 --> 02:11:49.993
<v Eric Zimmerman>I just think that this conversation will be stunted, if not in a work session.

1278
02:11:50.569 --> 02:11:58.219
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I don't plan to support anything passing today because I don't think that this is going to get its correct amount of oomph here.

1279
02:11:58.828 --> 02:12:10.180
<v Eric Zimmerman>I really valued the conversations that Councilor Avalos and, uh, Koyama Lane and Kanal and I were having back in Pearl Guinea back in December of '24.

1280
02:12:11.655 --> 02:12:14.045
<v Eric Zimmerman>And there's a robustness to those conversations.

1281
02:12:14.092 --> 02:12:20.863
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think Mitch, you might have been in there too, that, that in those rooms that I think is where this probably belongs, Council President.

1282
02:12:20.911 --> 02:12:27.247
<v Eric Zimmerman>So if there's appetite for that, I certainly would be one, but I want to respect your process here.

1283
02:12:27.296 --> 02:12:41.511
<v Eric Zimmerman>You want to do some public testimony first, but this is going to be a rough sell for me in terms of— this is a lot of amendments to try and do at a council instead of working through some of this in work session, because I would like to know the nuance and the meaning, and I say that genuinely.

1284
02:12:41.591 --> 02:12:41.734
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1285
02:12:42.516 --> 02:12:48.711
<v Eric Zimmerman>And to me, this kind of feels like a, here's what I wrote as council president in the last 2 months I'm going to be here, and here's what I want you to do.

1286
02:12:48.935 --> 02:12:52.414
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I don't know how to respond to that, so I'll stop.

1287
02:12:54.154 --> 02:12:54.975
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1288
02:12:55.443 --> 02:12:56.555
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1289
02:12:58.583 --> 02:12:59.936
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1290
02:13:00.292 --> 02:13:05.100
<v Loretta Smith>I, um, have a couple of technical questions of Madeline.

1291
02:13:06.100 --> 02:13:08.810
<v Loretta Smith>You talked about the 7 business days.

1292
02:13:08.908 --> 02:13:15.644
<v Loretta Smith>Me and my staff, we looked at this last week, and we were confused by the 7 days and then the 90 days.

1293
02:13:16.092 --> 02:13:20.685
<v Loretta Smith>And so how can both of those be true, that we have to get on the schedule?

1294
02:13:20.734 --> 02:13:23.078
<v Loretta Smith>Because it seems either it's 7 or it's 90.

1295
02:13:23.801 --> 02:13:33.804
<v Madeline West>So, um, in eCouncil, the, uh, once you file an item and it's approved by the clerk, it goes to a council president referral queue, right?

1296
02:13:34.060 --> 02:13:42.875
<v Madeline West>Currently there is no place in code that requires the council president to move it from the queue to committee or full council, that's unlimited.

1297
02:13:43.404 --> 02:13:55.524
<v Madeline West>So this would clarify that once an item is referred to the president for approval, AKA putting it in the queue in the first place, the president only has 7 days to do that.

1298
02:13:56.006 --> 02:13:58.992
<v Loretta Smith>So he asked it— so what is the 90 days then?

1299
02:13:59.041 --> 02:14:02.813
<v Madeline West>The 90 days is once it's been referred to full council.

1300
02:14:02.893 --> 02:14:04.354
<v Loretta Smith>Is that made clear in the language?

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02:14:04.434 --> 02:14:04.627
<v Madeline West>Yes.

1302
02:14:05.561 --> 02:14:11.001
<v Loretta Smith>Made once within the 7 days, that they have 90 days to actually put it on the agenda.

1303
02:14:11.305 --> 02:14:12.639
<v Madeline West>Yes, that's after the referral.

1304
02:14:12.912 --> 02:14:13.713
<v Loretta Smith>After the referral.

1305
02:14:13.795 --> 02:14:16.668
<v Madeline West>Yes, so 7 days plus 90.

1306
02:14:17.279 --> 02:14:22.046
<v Madeline West>It also makes a similar requirement for committee chairs, which doesn't exist currently.

1307
02:14:22.865 --> 02:14:25.980
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, so thank you for clarifying that, because we were trying to figure this out.

1308
02:14:26.029 --> 02:14:26.992
<v Madeline West>Yeah, it's, it's a lot.

1309
02:14:27.216 --> 02:14:27.682
<v Anita Davidson>Yeah.

1310
02:14:27.842 --> 02:14:30.701
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I agree with, um, Councilor Zimmerman.

1311
02:14:30.748 --> 02:14:42.009
<v Loretta Smith>I think we need a different format to, to do this because we did this in work sessions and in sessions before we actually, uh, came here on January 1st.

1312
02:14:42.618 --> 02:14:48.064
<v Loretta Smith>Um, the other question is, um, I have an amendment that I want to add from a technical standpoint.

1313
02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:57.011
<v Loretta Smith>I want to add that we direct the city attorney to seek judicial determination of the mayor's tie-breaking authority under the city charter as a part of this.

1314
02:14:57.074 --> 02:14:57.154
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1315
02:14:57.672 --> 02:15:10.273
<v Loretta Smith>Because I think until we get this straight about the charter and get a determination on this— and I also do have that resolution in as well— but I think this has to happen in order for us to do anything else.

1316
02:15:10.641 --> 02:15:24.305
<v Loretta Smith>Because for me, I can't believe in anything that we put forward until we settle our charter issue about the mayor breaking ties, because we've had 19 ties that we've had to schedule.

1317
02:15:24.385 --> 02:15:32.720
<v Loretta Smith>That means that there were 19 policy issues that we were not able to appropriately proceed on.

1318
02:15:33.622 --> 02:15:35.087
<v Loretta Smith>And we can't continue like this.

1319
02:15:35.152 --> 02:15:39.340
<v Loretta Smith>It's bigger than the presidency because everybody wants to make it trivial.

1320
02:15:39.823 --> 02:15:43.675
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, we're gonna, you know, flip a coin, somebody doesn't vote.

1321
02:15:43.948 --> 02:15:45.752
<v Loretta Smith>That's just being very immature.

1322
02:15:46.524 --> 02:15:54.163
<v Loretta Smith>We have a charter that tells us what to do, and we need to direct our city attorney because I don't really want to sue the city.

1323
02:15:54.219 --> 02:15:54.310
<v Loretta Smith>I agree.

1324
02:15:54.724 --> 02:16:04.244
<v Loretta Smith>But if we don't give a referral to our city attorney to go settle this, nothing that we put forward I don't even believe in.

1325
02:16:05.563 --> 02:16:10.609
<v Loretta Smith>Because that is, that is where it starts and it begins, in my opinion.

1326
02:16:10.978 --> 02:16:19.944
<v Loretta Smith>So I want to put this as an amendment to direct the city attorney to seek judicial determination of the mayor's tie-breaking authority under the city charter.

1327
02:16:19.993 --> 02:16:20.104
<v Olivia Clark>Second.

1328
02:16:21.115 --> 02:16:22.399
<v Loretta Smith>And I think we have to do that.

1329
02:16:23.715 --> 02:16:25.141
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're in technical and clarifying.

1330
02:16:25.335 --> 02:16:27.868
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor, are you able to share that?

1331
02:16:28.286 --> 02:16:30.595
<v Loretta Smith>I will share it and I'll send it out to everyone.

1332
02:16:30.708 --> 02:16:33.675
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll get to that part when we are able to get to amendments.

1333
02:16:34.076 --> 02:16:34.414
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1334
02:16:34.782 --> 02:16:35.408
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1335
02:16:35.504 --> 02:16:36.097
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1336
02:16:37.045 --> 02:16:37.831
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

1337
02:16:37.990 --> 02:16:42.691
<v Steve Novick>I have to say I'm confused about the discharge petition aspect of this.

1338
02:16:43.220 --> 02:16:47.263
<v Steve Novick>My understanding is that now pretty much any 4 councilors can discharge something at any time.

1339
02:16:48.016 --> 02:16:52.306
<v Steve Novick>Is the underlying here, or Dunphy 1, does it— am I wrong about that?

1340
02:16:52.386 --> 02:16:55.228
<v Steve Novick>Does the underlying or Dunphy 1 restrict that?

1341
02:16:55.566 --> 02:17:02.054
<v Steve Novick>Um, if it— does it expand it in ways that I was previously unaware needed to be expanded?

1342
02:17:02.230 --> 02:17:11.593
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I, I will say that my interpretation of this is that functionally there are 4 points or 3 points in which the discharge can apply.

1343
02:17:12.445 --> 02:17:14.131
<v Jamie Dunphy>The second item exists yes.

1344
02:17:14.244 --> 02:17:33.720
<v Jamie Dunphy>So the 3 categories are after a motion exists but before it even gets into the hands of a committee chairperson, after it's in the hands of a committee chairperson and it's on their agenda but hasn't actually been heard, it could be yanked off of that agenda, after council has had— or a committee has had a first hearing but no other further action has happened, or after a committee has taken action and voted no.

1345
02:17:34.924 --> 02:17:39.485
<v Jamie Dunphy>The underlying currently only focuses on the third category.

1346
02:17:39.893 --> 02:17:48.603
<v Jamie Dunphy>Which is if the committee chair has a first hearing and then no further action, then that is the discharge petition point.

1347
02:17:48.813 --> 02:17:53.838
<v Jamie Dunphy>That at that point, after a committee has heard it, 4 councilors can move to remove it from the committee.

1348
02:17:54.496 --> 02:18:10.730
<v Jamie Dunphy>Additionally, Dunphy 1 adds back the 4th category, which is giving a time window for after a committee has voted something down, That there is an op— a limited, a time-limited venue for re-bringing it back.

1349
02:18:11.358 --> 02:18:16.126
<v Steve Novick>What happens if it's been referred to committee but it hasn't been put on a committee agenda?

1350
02:18:16.833 --> 02:18:25.711
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are obligated committee chairs at this point to put it on an agenda within 90 days, and the enforcement of that is through the ultimate agenda publisher, through the Auditor's Office.

1351
02:18:25.760 --> 02:18:32.645
<v Jamie Dunphy>So if a committee, as we were saying, if the council president gets a new Ordinance that is filed, it lands on our desk.

1352
02:18:32.886 --> 02:18:35.722
<v Jamie Dunphy>The council president has 7 days to get it into the hands of the committee chair.

1353
02:18:36.252 --> 02:18:38.800
<v Jamie Dunphy>Committee chair then has 90 days to get it onto an agenda.

1354
02:18:39.201 --> 02:18:46.816
<v Jamie Dunphy>And the committee, if that does not happen, the author has the authority to go, or would have the authority to go to the auditor and say, it has been 90 days, please publish it at least.

1355
02:18:46.896 --> 02:18:53.004
<v Steve Novick>Okay, so that is the one restriction that we have now, that you can't do a discharge petition after referral to committee.

1356
02:18:54.126 --> 02:19:04.863
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, right now you absolutely can do it at any of those times, but this would restrict that we would— this would— my intention is that if we're going to have committees, they should be in the, the chain of sequence that has to happen.

1357
02:19:04.927 --> 02:19:07.194
<v Steve Novick>Okay, thank you.

1358
02:19:07.243 --> 02:19:07.806
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1359
02:19:08.995 --> 02:19:10.233
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

1360
02:19:14.430 --> 02:19:17.412
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, sorry, scrolling through my notes here.

1361
02:19:17.670 --> 02:19:27.737
<v Sameer Kanal>I think, um, the question that I had, um, with relation to you know, this is, is something that I think is better served for after.

1362
02:19:27.897 --> 02:19:27.995
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1363
02:19:28.283 --> 02:19:37.629
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I do want to just note that, um, I filed a, a bunch of amendments to this, and I'll, I'll walk through each of them later, um, as they come up.

1364
02:19:37.694 --> 02:19:58.772
<v Sameer Kanal>But that because of the fact that, um, there were discussions that were being had in the Committee of the Whole in which ideas were being floated, and then that all kind of is getting superseded by this process, it's important to at a minimum get those things on the record, that they were things that were proposed in a conversation that is not currently happening.

1365
02:19:59.350 --> 02:20:01.323
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll be talking about each one as we get into it.

1366
02:20:01.370 --> 02:20:06.778
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not moving necessarily all of them or anything like that, but I think it's important that we have them on file.

1367
02:20:07.708 --> 02:20:12.408
<v Sameer Kanal>We might be able to get through many of them, possibly all of them, depending on how the rest of the conversation goes.

1368
02:20:12.906 --> 02:20:15.969
<v Sameer Kanal>But I did want to just kind of give that out there.

1369
02:20:16.033 --> 02:20:19.800
<v Sameer Kanal>They're all Uh, shown on— they're all, uh, you know, pre-filed.

1370
02:20:20.380 --> 02:20:25.066
<v Sameer Kanal>And, um, for one of them, there's an extra file sort of showing what it would look like if implemented.

1371
02:20:25.532 --> 02:20:26.878
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, that's the 13 one.

1372
02:20:27.641 --> 02:20:41.127
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I think it's, it's really important to, to kind of note that, um, there were conversations that are being sort of— that are not currently happening through this ordinance that were active at the Committee of the Whole.

1373
02:20:41.176 --> 02:20:46.952
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that was the purpose of trying to get all of those into the conversation and filed so that they would live with this document.

1374
02:20:47.306 --> 02:20:51.529
<v Sameer Kanal>One of the things we're going to talk about here is when something is refiled, it's actually not refiled.

1375
02:20:52.523 --> 02:20:53.777
<v Sameer Kanal>The original document dies.

1376
02:20:54.290 --> 02:20:58.497
<v Sameer Kanal>Then there's a new document where the text is identical, but it doesn't have the same legislative history.

1377
02:20:58.546 --> 02:21:02.719
<v Sameer Kanal>It's got a new number, and all the testimony that was previously taken on it no longer exists.

1378
02:21:02.977 --> 02:21:08.629
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's a reason for putting all these amendments into the record, and it's also something that, that relates to the content of some of the things we'll be discussing.

1379
02:21:09.371 --> 02:21:09.513
<v Jonas Biery>Thanks.

1380
02:21:09.674 --> 02:21:10.802
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1381
02:21:11.125 --> 02:21:11.737
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

1382
02:21:13.688 --> 02:21:25.659
<v Candace Avalos>Um, just to follow up on the question that Councilor Zimmerman's asking as far as like why we're doing it here and not at Committee of the Whole, I mean, is there some time constraint I'm unaware about?

1383
02:21:25.837 --> 02:21:33.039
<v Candace Avalos>I mean, I, I know that there is a, um, perceived time constraint, but is there an actual time constraint on having to get this done?

1384
02:21:33.103 --> 02:21:50.414
<v Candace Avalos>Because I, I am also I think my concern is feeling like the whole point of Committee of the Whole was so that because those governance questions were happening in a 5-person committee and I wasn't on it and I had lots of opinions about it and I was straining to make sure that I could go to the committee and weigh in.

1385
02:21:50.606 --> 02:21:53.753
<v Candace Avalos>And the whole point of Committee of the Whole was so that I wouldn't have to do that.

1386
02:21:54.074 --> 02:22:12.856
<v Candace Avalos>And I guess I'm feeling like I'm in that position again because I understand and respect that current former council president, committee chair, whole, um, was taking leadership on this, but by bypassing the infrastructure we designed specifically so that we wouldn't have to feel like I'm feeling, which is that I'm out of the loop.

1387
02:22:13.177 --> 02:22:14.414
<v Candace Avalos>I'm getting rushed into this.

1388
02:22:14.542 --> 02:22:15.907
<v Candace Avalos>There's a lot of things to consider.

1389
02:22:15.971 --> 02:22:33.395
<v Candace Avalos>I've got this 35-page document that I was up until midnight creating, and I'm just like, I just, again, am in a position where I don't think that I can be an equal participant in the discussion about governance because I'm being force-fed something and told to react to a bunch of amendments, which, by the way, contradict each other.

1390
02:22:33.747 --> 02:22:38.588
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know how we're supposed to navigate all of that on the dais at a council meeting.

1391
02:22:38.700 --> 02:22:42.371
<v Candace Avalos>So what is the reasoning for doing it this way right now?

1392
02:22:42.612 --> 02:22:44.440
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, a couple of things.

1393
02:22:44.551 --> 02:22:48.976
<v Jamie Dunphy>One, as I said earlier in my thing, there is a lot— there's more consensus, I believe, in this document than not.

1394
02:22:49.504 --> 02:22:54.906
<v Jamie Dunphy>And the areas where we disagree, absolutely, deserve public debate.

1395
02:22:55.692 --> 02:22:57.520
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're able to take testimony at the full council.

1396
02:22:58.001 --> 02:23:03.533
<v Jamie Dunphy>We referred— we re-referred the document from the council back to Committee of the Whole about 9 months ago.

1397
02:23:04.512 --> 02:23:09.277
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have had a very full Committee of the Whole agendas but have not had a chance to bring that back at that point.

1398
02:23:10.271 --> 02:23:20.875
<v Jamie Dunphy>And there are serious updates that exist in this that make it very difficult for the folks who work with us to be able to consistently provide the services that they need to do.

1399
02:23:22.222 --> 02:23:28.816
<v Jamie Dunphy>There's a lot of things that have updated in the last 2 years about our processes that we thought were one way and have proven to be something else.

1400
02:23:28.896 --> 02:23:56.927
<v Jamie Dunphy>And there is not a statutory deadline to update this, but I really want to make sure that the areas where we have broad consensus and are able to set the next council president up for success, I really want to do that because I am personally tired of the narrative that this is a dysfunctional council body, that we're unable to meet the needs of the charter change, and that some of these basic things will provide the clarity that can counter some of that false narrative.

1401
02:23:57.484 --> 02:23:58.931
<v Jamie Dunphy>So that, that, that is my urgency.

1402
02:23:58.995 --> 02:24:03.229
<v Jamie Dunphy>Additionally, it is the very end of October, October 28th.

1403
02:24:03.521 --> 02:24:08.860
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, we do not have, uh, well, all of our work sessions for the rest of the year have been scheduled.

1404
02:24:09.486 --> 02:24:11.110
<v Jamie Dunphy>We do not have any more time on our calendar.

1405
02:24:11.656 --> 02:24:16.013
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry, it is ultimately, and that is why I made this call, and that is why this is here.

1406
02:24:18.259 --> 02:24:20.132
<v Candace Avalos>Um, okay.

1407
02:24:20.521 --> 02:24:28.586
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, I think though what I also remember when we were talking about this months ago was that there were a set of things that we had consensus on.

1408
02:24:29.181 --> 02:24:34.690
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know what that list is, but what I'm seeing in front of me doesn't look like a list of only consensus items.

1409
02:24:35.364 --> 02:24:37.034
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think that's why I'm confused.

1410
02:24:37.131 --> 02:24:46.528
<v Candace Avalos>Like, I was very much in support of us putting forward, yeah, the things that are procedural that we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we just need to fix it so that, you know, council ops and whoever else can do the job.

1411
02:24:46.849 --> 02:24:49.675
<v Candace Avalos>But there is clearly a lot of not consensus things in here.

1412
02:24:49.739 --> 02:24:53.250
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Loretta Smith, And so I guess I'm not understanding the intent.

1413
02:24:53.345 --> 02:25:00.814
<v Candace Avalos>If the intent was to move along something that we can get through quickly, I don't know how we could accomplish that with a bunch of non-consensus items now.

1414
02:25:01.679 --> 02:25:11.917
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, as I said, the, the document as filed was my best attempt at finding consensus and noting that there was one area where there was clearly no consensus among the 3 councilors that worked the most on it.

1415
02:25:12.398 --> 02:25:24.352
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, so that, that was my intention, is to try and bring forward the an underlying document that is the least, uh, controversial, uh, or could find the path forward on the most consensus.

1416
02:25:24.913 --> 02:25:35.456
<v Candace Avalos>Right, but I guess if there's no consensus on something like the discharge, why would the option not be status quo, leave that conversation for a fuller discussion, get through the consensus items?

1417
02:25:35.551 --> 02:25:40.631
<v Candace Avalos>But instead you chose to make a decision about how to address the 4-councilor discharge.

1418
02:25:40.695 --> 02:25:41.576
<v Candace Avalos>This is not status quo.

1419
02:25:42.378 --> 02:25:45.590
<v Candace Avalos>And so I don't— that there— I'm having a disconnect between that reasoning.

1420
02:25:46.105 --> 02:25:47.005
<v Candace Avalos>Can you explain further?

1421
02:25:48.546 --> 02:25:59.772
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, yeah, it was, it was based off of the months of conversation with both all of our council, all our colleagues, uh, that I've had individually, but also the, the direct debate between Councilors Pirtle-Guiney and Kanal and I.

1422
02:26:00.753 --> 02:26:00.930
<v Candace Avalos>Right.

1423
02:26:01.058 --> 02:26:03.163
<v Candace Avalos>I guess the issue is I was— I'm not a part of that debate.

1424
02:26:03.323 --> 02:26:08.072
<v Candace Avalos>And so again, I'm feeling outside of, uh, a process that you all had.

1425
02:26:08.138 --> 02:26:09.766
<v Candace Avalos>That's great, but you're not a committee.

1426
02:26:10.717 --> 02:26:13.893
<v Candace Avalos>And the committee to do it includes all of us for a reason.

1427
02:26:14.550 --> 02:26:20.909
<v Candace Avalos>And so, yeah, I came into this, you know, I've got my prepared notes, but I am feeling increasingly concerned.

1428
02:26:20.974 --> 02:26:28.778
<v Candace Avalos>And as I'm speaking, I'm hearing a bunch— I'm seeing a bunch of people nodding along, which concerns me too, because y'all don't usually nod along with me.

1429
02:26:28.938 --> 02:26:29.018
<v Candace Avalos>Right.

1430
02:26:29.323 --> 02:26:34.284
<v Candace Avalos>And so there clearly must be some kind— like, I'm clearly raising something that others are feeling.

1431
02:26:34.799 --> 02:26:42.680
<v Candace Avalos>So if we're not at consensus, if this is going to be contentious, I guess my question to you and to my colleagues is, is this the right time?

1432
02:26:43.145 --> 02:26:43.882
<v Candace Avalos>I'd argue it's not.

1433
02:26:43.962 --> 02:26:44.700
<v Candace Avalos>I'll leave it at that.

1434
02:26:44.909 --> 02:26:56.510
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I would just like to— I don't— without disparaging any of my colleagues, one of the key components of this is that there is a 90-day obligation for an item that is referred to a committee to be heard in that committee.

1435
02:26:57.167 --> 02:27:00.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>And it has been 9 months since this item was referred to the Committee of the Whole.

1436
02:27:02.237 --> 02:27:06.875
<v Jamie Dunphy>It has been brought up a number of times, and I found that this was the best path forward to actually get something done in 2024.

1437
02:27:07.072 --> 02:27:15.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I'm— you're right, I made ultimately a decision, um, and my colleagues are welcome to take action as they see fit based off of that.

1438
02:27:16.102 --> 02:27:16.423
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1439
02:27:16.519 --> 02:27:19.600
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I, I would like us to take action.

1440
02:27:19.664 --> 02:27:24.718
<v Candace Avalos>So once we're finished with this queue, I'm prepared to make a motion to take that kind of action.

1441
02:27:24.782 --> 02:27:29.725
<v Candace Avalos>But I'd love to hear, based on all the nods that I'm seeing along, what are people thinking, because I, I'm concerned.

1442
02:27:29.852 --> 02:27:30.077
<v Raymond C. Lee>Okay.

1443
02:27:30.478 --> 02:27:39.090
<v Jamie Dunphy>And colleagues, we have got 6 more folks in the queue under technical and clarifying questions, and I think I think that that's going to directly lead into our conversation for the underlying debate.

1444
02:27:39.154 --> 02:27:40.618
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I'm going to look to Keelan real quick.

1445
02:27:40.682 --> 02:27:42.403
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we still have just one person signed up to testify?

1446
02:27:43.172 --> 02:27:48.092
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, I'm going to go ahead and pause our council deliberations and invite our public testimony.

1447
02:27:48.898 --> 02:27:49.640
<v Keelan McClymont>Terry Harris.

1448
02:27:51.559 --> 02:27:51.882
<v Dan Ryan>Oh, good.

1449
02:27:51.979 --> 02:27:54.754
<v Sameer Kanal>Can I rise under a request for information?

1450
02:27:55.270 --> 02:27:55.479
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

1451
02:27:55.898 --> 02:27:59.801
<v Sameer Kanal>What was the date that you're saying was 9 months before today that we referred it back?

1452
02:27:59.851 --> 02:28:00.382
<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't recall.

1453
02:28:00.983 --> 02:28:04.561
<v Sameer Kanal>I see April 28th— uh, sorry, April 23rd on the, on the document.

1454
02:28:04.626 --> 02:28:08.076
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm curious what, as a request for information, where the 9 months is coming from.

1455
02:28:09.152 --> 02:28:10.308
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're right, it was 7 months.

1456
02:28:10.756 --> 02:28:12.378
<v Sameer Kanal>That's 6.

1457
02:28:12.539 --> 02:28:15.572
<v Jamie Dunphy>April, May, May, June, July, August, September, October.

1458
02:28:15.908 --> 02:28:16.647
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, 6 months.

1459
02:28:16.695 --> 02:28:16.968
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're right.

1460
02:28:17.096 --> 02:28:18.638
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize formally.

1461
02:28:19.039 --> 02:28:25.603
<v Jamie Dunphy>I withdraw my previous statement and note that it was correctly referred almost exactly 6 months to the day.

1462
02:28:26.538 --> 02:28:27.159
<v Jamie Dunphy>Terry, welcome.

1463
02:28:28.572 --> 02:28:29.309
<v Terry Harris>Well, thanks.

1464
02:28:30.175 --> 02:28:36.945
<v Terry Harris>Um, I have, uh, prepared comments with about 1 minute for each of the amendments proposed.

1465
02:28:36.994 --> 02:28:37.731
<v Terry Harris>I hope that's okay.

1466
02:28:38.774 --> 02:28:42.465
<v Terry Harris>Um, anyway, I'm Terry Harris from Hillsdale.

1467
02:28:43.251 --> 02:28:45.914
<v Terry Harris>Um, I've been following this for a long time, as you know.

1468
02:28:46.700 --> 02:28:50.278
<v Terry Harris>Um, but let me just say I'm really happy to see this.

1469
02:28:51.433 --> 02:28:57.881
<v Terry Harris>Um, I think it's a great compilation of sort of where things were and where things needed to go.

1470
02:28:58.811 --> 02:29:07.710
<v Terry Harris>And, um, I am in general support of the whole thing, all of it, all the amendments, everything, um, and basically getting on with it.

1471
02:29:08.834 --> 02:29:25.816
<v Terry Harris>Um, and, and I'm here mostly because somebody needs to be here from the public to say thank you for doing this, because it's just such an otherwise thankless task, especially when half of you have other things that you'd probably rather be doing.

1472
02:29:27.036 --> 02:29:38.730
<v Terry Harris>Um, but to center on some particular approval items here, um, I'm really happy to clean up the item submission and referral to committees.

1473
02:29:39.709 --> 02:29:43.351
<v Terry Harris>I think that's overdue and important.

1474
02:29:43.736 --> 02:29:49.415
<v Terry Harris>I support the Pirtle-Guiney Amendment Number 3 to require proper subject matter referral.

1475
02:29:49.462 --> 02:29:49.638
<v Terry Harris>Second.

1476
02:29:50.492 --> 02:29:51.603
<v Terry Harris>I think that's important.

1477
02:29:52.311 --> 02:30:01.315
<v Terry Harris>I also prefer that the president do these referrals because that decision can be subject to overrule or appeal by the rest of the body.

1478
02:30:01.734 --> 02:30:05.554
<v Terry Harris>I think that's just sort of a normal thing to do.

1479
02:30:08.038 --> 02:30:14.885
<v Terry Harris>Um, I am in support of the amendments being filed in advance in writing, strongly support that.

1480
02:30:15.322 --> 02:30:19.702
<v Terry Harris>If that hadn't happened, I would not be here and able to comment on them.

1481
02:30:20.649 --> 02:30:26.301
<v Terry Harris>Um, and I think the 24-hour deadline should be mandatory.

1482
02:30:26.365 --> 02:30:28.983
<v Terry Harris>So I support the Pirtle-Guiney Amendment Number 1.

1483
02:30:30.042 --> 02:30:33.157
<v Terry Harris>If not 24 hours, it should be before the meeting.

1484
02:30:33.592 --> 02:30:38.343
<v Terry Harris>And if it's not before the meeting, it should be before the thing is called, before the item is called.

1485
02:30:38.665 --> 02:30:43.868
<v Terry Harris>Some, some thing before Um, would be helpful.

1486
02:30:44.977 --> 02:30:47.112
<v Terry Harris>I appreciate the discharge discussion.

1487
02:30:47.161 --> 02:30:48.125
<v Terry Harris>I know that's difficult.

1488
02:30:48.671 --> 02:30:50.308
<v Terry Harris>I support Dunphy Amendment Number 1.

1489
02:30:50.533 --> 02:30:51.320
<v Terry Harris>I think it's cleaner.

1490
02:30:51.834 --> 02:30:58.083
<v Terry Harris>I think it's limited, and it's a nod to finality, which I think is a healthy thing in a committee system.

1491
02:30:59.432 --> 02:31:07.365
<v Terry Harris>I think it should be a majority that gets a discharge, not 4 members, because that's the common procedural thing.

1492
02:31:07.768 --> 02:31:07.944
<v Terry Harris>Yes.

1493
02:31:08.636 --> 02:31:10.632
<v Terry Harris>And there are reasons for that.

1494
02:31:11.164 --> 02:31:15.254
<v Terry Harris>I support Kanal Amendments 7 through 9, 12, and 16.

1495
02:31:16.413 --> 02:31:22.524
<v Terry Harris>I oppose Kanal Amendments 1 through 6, 10, 11, 13, and 15, for those of you keeping track.

1496
02:31:23.549 --> 02:31:27.212
<v Terry Harris>Um, I support Novick 1 through 3 and oppose Novick 4.

1497
02:31:28.305 --> 02:31:34.176
<v Terry Harris>Finally, just some ideas in the 5 seconds left.

1498
02:31:34.227 --> 02:31:40.805
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll just thank you very much, Terry.

1499
02:31:42.940 --> 02:31:43.878
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

1500
02:31:44.153 --> 02:31:50.023
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, we are in the queue for both technical clarifying and debate, uh, and then also amendments.

1501
02:31:50.201 --> 02:31:52.320
<v Jamie Dunphy>So we'll start with Councilor Ryan and then Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1502
02:31:52.790 --> 02:31:54.036
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

1503
02:31:54.878 --> 02:32:01.960
<v Dan Ryan>Um, I'm going to build upon the dialogue that we were having before the excellent testimony we just heard, and I want to start by thanking my thank you, Mayor.

1504
02:32:02.218 --> 02:32:02.458
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Mayor.

1505
02:32:02.539 --> 02:32:06.836
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you to my fellow D2 councilors for your many hours that you put into this.

1506
02:32:07.590 --> 02:32:16.796
<v Dan Ryan>Both Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and Councilor Kanal have been working hard to represent, I think, all of us the best that they could to get to the details.

1507
02:32:17.693 --> 02:32:22.488
<v Dan Ryan>And also to you, Council President, for trying to shepherd this along, steward this along.

1508
02:32:23.163 --> 02:32:23.611
<v Dan Ryan>It's hard.

1509
02:32:24.510 --> 02:32:35.242
<v Dan Ryan>I do think that we're at a point today where it, it, it— we need to be in a work session environment where we can have more dialogue about where this landed.

1510
02:32:35.995 --> 02:32:44.563
<v Dan Ryan>I think trying to rush through these amendments today— I too looked at this after the Blazer game, which ended after 11, so, um, big win on the road.

1511
02:32:45.125 --> 02:32:48.510
<v Dan Ryan>Um, then I looked at this and went, are you kidding me?

1512
02:32:48.815 --> 02:32:50.932
<v Dan Ryan>Like, we're gonna go through all of this tomorrow?

1513
02:32:50.996 --> 02:32:51.926
<v Dan Ryan>And then more was added this morning.

1514
02:32:51.975 --> 02:32:52.728
<v Dan Ryan>I think we're going to have to do that.

1515
02:32:53.022 --> 02:32:55.536
<v Dan Ryan>Because we don't have the 24-hour rule.

1516
02:32:56.834 --> 02:33:08.269
<v Dan Ryan>I think this is so important, and I think that I probably will come close to supporting much of it, but I just need some time with all of you in a work session environment to go through this.

1517
02:33:08.701 --> 02:33:15.181
<v Dan Ryan>And I think we could make it even tighter as we get closer to bringing it back to actually move the legislation.

1518
02:33:15.693 --> 02:33:20.891
<v Dan Ryan>So I would agree with Councilor Zimmerman, Councilor Avalos, on the tone that I was hearing from both of them.

1519
02:33:21.469 --> 02:33:27.456
<v Dan Ryan>And when it's the appropriate time, if we have to vote to move this to a work session, then I would move such a motion.

1520
02:33:27.872 --> 02:33:28.129
<v Isaac McLennan>Second.

1521
02:33:29.574 --> 02:33:33.185
<v Dan Ryan>I guess I just moved a motion, um, this into work session.

1522
02:33:33.425 --> 02:33:34.388
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for the second.

1523
02:33:34.742 --> 02:33:36.186
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I'm looking to our city attorney.

1524
02:33:36.235 --> 02:33:38.112
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that a— how does that work?

1525
02:33:38.400 --> 02:33:39.252
<v Jamie Dunphy>How is that as a motion?

1526
02:33:40.246 --> 02:33:43.873
<v Dan Ryan>That clearly wasn't, um, formally, but no, I'll take it.

1527
02:33:44.003 --> 02:33:50.029
<v Jamie Dunphy>But I'm interested to know, like, What procedurally— is there a procedure, or is it just a scheduling decision by the president?

1528
02:33:50.445 --> 02:33:52.801
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, thank you, uh, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

1529
02:33:52.914 --> 02:33:53.586
<v Robert Taylor>Great question.

1530
02:33:53.699 --> 02:33:56.888
<v Robert Taylor>You, you, under your rules, you can refer it to a committee.

1531
02:33:57.560 --> 02:34:07.576
<v Robert Taylor>Okay, so that's a possibility, but we've never, um, I don't know that we've ever referred an item from council to a work session before.

1532
02:34:07.720 --> 02:34:10.444
<v Robert Taylor>You could add that to your rules as part of this, obviously.

1533
02:34:10.737 --> 02:34:19.304
<v Robert Taylor>And I'm being serious because this is the opportunity for the council to make some of these decisions about how you want to operate.

1534
02:34:19.384 --> 02:34:23.797
<v Robert Taylor>So, but a referral to a committee would be in order.

1535
02:34:24.567 --> 02:34:30.344
<v Robert Taylor>A motion to table would be in order if the council didn't want to hear this today.

1536
02:34:31.066 --> 02:34:31.645
<v Dan Ryan>I understand.

1537
02:34:31.709 --> 02:34:32.528
<v Dan Ryan>I appreciate that.

1538
02:34:32.929 --> 02:34:42.576
<v Dan Ryan>I do still think it would have been better to have it in what I still love about work sessions, I miss the days of having us be around a table.

1539
02:34:43.764 --> 02:34:52.869
<v Dan Ryan>But I think it— the last time we really did that was before we were all formally sworn in, and it was our last time to really have what I thought was more authentic dialogue on this.

1540
02:34:53.799 --> 02:35:02.262
<v Dan Ryan>I will play the game that we're currently in and look across the way to see if you think this could come back to committee as a whole.

1541
02:35:02.358 --> 02:35:02.599
<v Lauren Johnson>I think it should.

1542
02:35:02.780 --> 02:35:06.566
<v Dan Ryan>But I'd prefer— okay, can I yield my time to Councilor Kanal?

1543
02:35:06.843 --> 02:35:08.974
<v Dan Ryan>Because I can't really understand the nonverbal from here.

1544
02:35:09.876 --> 02:35:10.471
<v Terry Harris>May I respond, Councilor?

1545
02:35:10.521 --> 02:35:10.584
<v Anita Davidson>Please.

1546
02:35:11.181 --> 02:35:11.389
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1547
02:35:11.503 --> 02:35:18.156
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so just to be clear, we had a couple things penciled in on November 5th that are not actually able to happen.

1548
02:35:19.458 --> 02:35:26.831
<v Sameer Kanal>We have one thing that is going to happen, which is guaranteed, and it's a resolution with the city investment policy.

1549
02:35:26.896 --> 02:35:28.718
<v Sameer Kanal>But other than that, that meeting has a lot of space.

1550
02:35:29.530 --> 02:35:37.494
<v Sameer Kanal>I can't speak off the top of my head and looking at everything, but I know we've also got space on December 10th that I might be able to move other things down to, to create space earlier.

1551
02:35:38.007 --> 02:35:41.733
<v Sameer Kanal>But certainly most of the meeting on November 5th may end up being open.

1552
02:35:41.797 --> 02:35:45.378
<v Sameer Kanal>We were likely to end that meeting early otherwise.

1553
02:35:46.036 --> 02:35:54.145
<v Sameer Kanal>I just— full disclosure, that is a virtual meeting because of the HVAC work, and that may affect people's thoughts, but it doesn't matter to me, but it might have mattered to you, so I want to make sure you knew.

1554
02:35:54.192 --> 02:35:54.305
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1555
02:35:56.950 --> 02:36:02.273
<v Dan Ryan>Okay, so do we need to do a motion to move this back to the committee?

1556
02:36:03.938 --> 02:36:04.924
<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely an option.

1557
02:36:05.683 --> 02:36:06.315
<v Robert Taylor>Oh, I'm sorry.

1558
02:36:06.493 --> 02:36:16.569
<v Robert Taylor>I mean, I think if, if, if the council's desire is to put it in the Committee of the Whole, then I think the appropriate motion is a motion to refer to the Committee of the Whole.

1559
02:36:17.245 --> 02:36:24.252
<v Robert Taylor>If the council's desire is to instead hear this in a work session rather than the Committee of the Whole.

1560
02:36:24.509 --> 02:36:35.558
<v Robert Taylor>I think the council could adopt a motion to table, put this item on the table at full council, request the president to schedule a work session, have it in the work session.

1561
02:36:35.671 --> 02:36:43.476
<v Robert Taylor>Once it's worked out at the work session, then at council you can make a motion to take it from the table to hear it in front of the full council.

1562
02:36:43.878 --> 02:36:45.515
<v Robert Taylor>So those are your, your choices.

1563
02:36:45.628 --> 02:36:53.629
<v Dan Ryan>You can accomplish I liked the latter better.

1564
02:36:56.014 --> 02:36:58.104
<v Dan Ryan>I'm pausing to check out nonverbal.

1565
02:37:00.299 --> 02:37:02.902
<v Dan Ryan>There's a lot of not clear nonverbal on this one.

1566
02:37:03.423 --> 02:37:05.097
<v Jamie Dunphy>A motion to table or motion to postpone?

1567
02:37:06.783 --> 02:37:06.930
<v Dan Ryan>Table.

1568
02:37:06.978 --> 02:37:09.801
<v Dan Ryan>Well, we have to table in order to go to work session.

1569
02:37:09.898 --> 02:37:12.251
<v Robert Taylor>If you, if you table— yeah, the goal is to go to work session.

1570
02:37:12.791 --> 02:37:13.381
<v Robert Taylor>Great question.

1571
02:37:13.495 --> 02:37:21.009
<v Robert Taylor>So if you table it, uh, then it's, it's, it's just sitting before the body.

1572
02:37:21.747 --> 02:37:25.504
<v Robert Taylor>The body can take it off the table at any time later.

1573
02:37:26.579 --> 02:37:36.423
<v Robert Taylor>Okay, if you postpone it, you have— you can postpone it to a date certain, at which point you— council has to deal with it on the date certain.

1574
02:37:36.775 --> 02:37:38.028
<v Robert Taylor>You can always postpone it again.

1575
02:37:38.125 --> 02:37:38.269
<v Robert Taylor>Okay.

1576
02:37:39.593 --> 02:37:50.761
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, the, the other motion that is a most motion to postpone indefinitely, that is a motion to effectively kill an item.

1577
02:37:51.323 --> 02:37:54.148
<v Robert Taylor>So I just, I want to say that it's come up before.

1578
02:37:54.920 --> 02:38:01.021
<v Robert Taylor>Just, just know postponing indefinitely is a, is a fatal, uh, motion if you pass it.

1579
02:38:05.849 --> 02:38:07.433
<v Robert Taylor>So it sounds to me from—.

1580
02:38:07.489 --> 02:38:07.886
<v Dan Ryan>That makes sense.

1581
02:38:07.934 --> 02:38:14.013
<v Dan Ryan>So I, I, what I would like is what, um, is actually a little bit of a break right now.

1582
02:38:14.531 --> 02:38:21.245
<v Dan Ryan>And if the 3 of you would talk amongst yourselves and see what you're comfortable with, because you did the most work on this.

1583
02:38:21.423 --> 02:38:26.147
<v Dan Ryan>I think you're seeing from all the colleagues that we're not ready to move this today in this council meeting.

1584
02:38:27.951 --> 02:38:30.698
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, the 3 of you that have been working on this.

1585
02:38:30.837 --> 02:38:34.385
<v Dan Ryan>Yes, that would be Councilor Kanal, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, and President Dunphy.

1586
02:38:36.909 --> 02:38:47.103
<v Dan Ryan>I want to respect the fact that you've been putting in most of the hours on this and you got it to this point, but you're hearing from, uh, the majority that we're not ready to take action on this today.

1587
02:38:47.344 --> 02:38:51.924
<v Dan Ryan>Maybe a couple people are, but, um, the majority based on the nonverbal are not.

1588
02:38:52.148 --> 02:38:52.486
<v Dan Ryan>So—.

1589
02:38:52.951 --> 02:38:56.157
<v Jamie Dunphy>I mean, uh, Councilor, I would certainly entertain them.

1590
02:38:56.369 --> 02:39:06.852
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, I want to before— but if I must put out a motion, I am certain at this point it is clear to me that there is more work that needs to be done in a work session.

1591
02:39:07.381 --> 02:39:10.817
<v Jamie Dunphy>I would entertain a motion to table, and I will schedule a work session.

1592
02:39:10.931 --> 02:39:13.949
<v Jamie Dunphy>But before you do that, I'd like to give Councilor Pirtle-Guiney a chance to jump in.

1593
02:39:14.061 --> 02:39:14.591
<v Dan Ryan>That's fair.

1594
02:39:15.506 --> 02:39:17.048
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1595
02:39:17.336 --> 02:39:20.981
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I happen to be next in the queue, I think, so timing is great here.

1596
02:39:21.753 --> 02:39:26.965
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, Councilor Smith.

1597
02:39:27.013 --> 02:39:36.885
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, about a year ago I came to all of you and said we've got something in the works, we will have it before the end of the year.

1598
02:39:37.191 --> 02:40:03.538
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>For a variety of reasons, that didn't get taken up until the next year by this body, but there was extensive work done a year ago in committee the chair of that committee, then-Vice President Koyama Lane, did a significant amount of work to make sure that everybody knew the timing and the scheduling so that anybody who wanted to could come and testify.

1599
02:40:04.147 --> 02:40:08.915
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And multiple councilors who did not sit on that committee did come and testify.

1600
02:40:09.527 --> 02:40:21.014
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In fact, we had to consult with our attorneys to make sure we did not break quorum because we had more than 6 people in the room for that committee meeting, some of them were there as testifiers, so we were okay.

1601
02:40:23.549 --> 02:40:39.280
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The council president has been very transparent about trying to bring in amendments, and as I understand it, this has been briefed in chiefs multiple times to make sure that all of our staff knew this was coming and could then let us know that this was coming.

1602
02:40:40.832 --> 02:40:50.801
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So while we may need more time to debate everything, and I, I'm, um, Council President, I think your goal of getting this out today was an ambitious one.

1603
02:40:50.996 --> 02:40:51.174
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah.

1604
02:40:51.224 --> 02:40:56.888
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I suspected that we would need 2 or 3 meetings with some time with this on the agenda to get through everything.

1605
02:40:58.472 --> 02:41:03.657
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, we have a choice because it's the end of October.

1606
02:41:03.722 --> 02:41:09.486
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We've got a month and a half left before recess, and then A new year of council work.

1607
02:41:10.352 --> 02:41:31.534
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, if we want our next council president to be able to come into some clearly established rules that we've all agreed to, not just past practice that the current council president has done and that I did before that, we need to actually act, not move this to another committee, not wait.

1608
02:41:32.416 --> 02:41:34.051
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we want to—.

1609
02:41:34.152 --> 02:41:34.516
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith.

1610
02:41:35.226 --> 02:41:38.878
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Provide more clarity for our staff who support us.

1611
02:41:39.550 --> 02:41:40.864
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need to do this.

1612
02:41:41.890 --> 02:41:49.986
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I hear that there are folks who need some more time with this, and there are a lot of amendments that have been filed.

1613
02:41:51.316 --> 02:41:55.662
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was shocked as well by the number of amendments that were filed.

1614
02:41:55.726 --> 02:41:59.798
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I expected we would all have 2 or 3 or 4 little things we put in.

1615
02:41:59.941 --> 02:42:00.519
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1616
02:42:01.152 --> 02:42:04.521
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>To see more than that from folks was surprising.

1617
02:42:06.784 --> 02:42:11.782
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But we've now spent an hour talking about talking about this when we could have been actually debating these amendments.

1618
02:42:12.201 --> 02:42:17.753
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So whether we do it in work session or whether we do it in council, I would like us to get to the substance.

1619
02:42:18.203 --> 02:42:25.658
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Work session makes me nervous because we cannot actually take votes, and I think we're at the point where we need to actually know where the majority of our body is on some things.

1620
02:42:28.506 --> 02:42:32.497
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So to your question, Councilor Ryan, what do the 3 of us think?

1621
02:42:33.364 --> 02:42:36.477
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we need a work session to discuss concepts, let's do it.

1622
02:42:37.135 --> 02:42:45.702
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But we need to get to the point where we are establishing where the majority is, because I think on some of these things, we know that there is disagreement and we don't actually know what the majority feels.

1623
02:42:46.216 --> 02:42:51.638
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And the only way to do that is to vote on some of these amendments, which I hope we do in this body.

1624
02:42:51.686 --> 02:42:51.815
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1625
02:42:52.585 --> 02:42:54.915
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There was a significant delay in Committee of the Whole.

1626
02:42:55.188 --> 02:42:57.983
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would like to keep this within the council space.

1627
02:42:58.801 --> 02:43:04.728
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, happy to respect that folks may need time to discuss the concepts first in a work session.

1628
02:43:05.468 --> 02:43:17.417
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that having that space is sometimes a best practice, but let's keep this in a space where we can move it forward quickly and get to the point of actually figuring out where the majority of our body is.

1629
02:43:17.483 --> 02:43:19.406
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith, on some of these amendments.

1630
02:43:19.935 --> 02:43:20.304
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1631
02:43:20.961 --> 02:43:21.218
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1632
02:43:22.420 --> 02:43:25.001
<v Dan Ryan>I trust the council president to move this along.

1633
02:43:25.370 --> 02:43:30.355
<v Dan Ryan>I do think the 30 amendments probably weren't discussed in chief, so I do think it's alarming today.

1634
02:43:30.900 --> 02:43:40.149
<v Dan Ryan>Um, and so I'm hoping that I will put on motion to table this and trust that you, council president, will move this forward so that we land this plane before the end of the year.

1635
02:43:40.679 --> 02:43:43.756
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Ryan has moved to table this item.

1636
02:43:44.367 --> 02:43:45.667
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman has seconded.

1637
02:43:46.924 --> 02:43:51.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we are now in discussion of the, uh, motion.

1638
02:43:52.333 --> 02:43:53.315
<v Eric Zimmerman>It's non-debatable.

1639
02:43:53.540 --> 02:43:54.587
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's a non-debatable motion.

1640
02:43:54.750 --> 02:43:56.570
<v Jamie Dunphy>Cool, we're not in debate of that motion.

1641
02:43:56.828 --> 02:43:57.136
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh good.

1642
02:43:58.119 --> 02:44:00.069
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, can we please go ahead and call the roll?

1643
02:44:01.090 --> 02:44:05.531
<v Keelan McClymont>This is the roll on the motion to table item 2026-372.

1644
02:44:05.790 --> 02:44:05.983
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

1645
02:44:08.546 --> 02:44:08.816
<v Olivia Clark>Absent.

1646
02:44:09.175 --> 02:44:09.337
<v Keelan McClymont>Absent.

1647
02:44:09.733 --> 02:44:09.843
<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry.

1648
02:44:10.377 --> 02:44:10.570
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

1649
02:44:13.742 --> 02:44:13.904
<v Mitch Green>No.

1650
02:44:15.132 --> 02:44:15.441
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1651
02:44:15.763 --> 02:44:15.813
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1652
02:44:16.897 --> 02:44:17.042
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

1653
02:44:18.198 --> 02:44:18.213
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1654
02:44:18.961 --> 02:44:19.237
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

1655
02:44:19.661 --> 02:44:19.709
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1656
02:44:20.555 --> 02:44:21.139
<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo?

1657
02:44:21.335 --> 02:44:21.433
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1658
02:44:23.336 --> 02:44:30.405
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

1659
02:44:31.677 --> 02:44:44.153
<v Steve Novick>Uh, I had hoped that what we could do today is have the 2— Councilors Pirtle-Guiney and the president go through the things they think there really are consensus, see if they really are consensus, and then pass those.

1660
02:44:44.813 --> 02:44:46.627
<v Steve Novick>Um, I thought that would have been a simple way to address it.

1661
02:44:46.939 --> 02:44:48.105
<v Steve Novick>Um, so that's why I'm voting no.

1662
02:44:52.224 --> 02:44:52.320
<v Steve Novick>No.

1663
02:44:52.594 --> 02:44:53.725
<v Keelan McClymont>Was that a— was that no?

1664
02:44:53.950 --> 02:44:54.111
<v Steve Novick>No.

1665
02:44:54.434 --> 02:44:54.773
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1666
02:44:54.854 --> 02:44:54.984
<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry.

1667
02:44:56.146 --> 02:44:56.451
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1668
02:44:56.790 --> 02:44:56.935
<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

1669
02:44:57.824 --> 02:45:04.189
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, the motion to table the item fails with a vote of 5 ayes I didn't hear you.

1670
02:45:05.328 --> 02:45:05.954
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, it fails.

1671
02:45:06.211 --> 02:45:06.485
<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry.

1672
02:45:06.773 --> 02:45:07.432
<v Loretta Smith>What was the number?

1673
02:45:07.897 --> 02:45:10.868
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, 5 ayes, 6 nays, 1 absent.

1674
02:45:11.286 --> 02:45:14.305
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1675
02:45:14.560 --> 02:45:15.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Smith.

1676
02:45:15.925 --> 02:45:16.296
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1677
02:45:16.567 --> 02:45:26.988
<v Loretta Smith>Um, a big issue that I have is with giving the auditor the power of the presiding officer by putting things on our agenda for 90 days.

1678
02:45:27.486 --> 02:45:30.248
<v Loretta Smith>That is a conversation that we need to talk about.

1679
02:45:30.618 --> 02:45:36.542
<v Loretta Smith>And since when are we willing to give up our presiding officer power to the auditor?

1680
02:45:37.843 --> 02:45:39.706
<v Loretta Smith>I'm not willing to do that.

1681
02:45:40.573 --> 02:45:49.388
<v Loretta Smith>If we're not willing to give the mayor any power, why are we willing to give another elected official a power that the presiding officer for the past 2 years have had?

1682
02:45:49.981 --> 02:45:50.753
<v Loretta Smith>That's ridiculous.

1683
02:45:51.251 --> 02:45:52.278
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1684
02:45:54.234 --> 02:45:59.170
<v Loretta Smith>The other piece is I totally agree with, uh, Councilor Ryan.

1685
02:46:00.387 --> 02:46:07.022
<v Loretta Smith>These 30 amendments, they were not talked about to my chief of staff in the chief of staff's meeting.

1686
02:46:07.998 --> 02:46:26.507
<v Loretta Smith>And I don't know how you expect us to process all of these concepts and, and get to this, because I hear what you're saying and I I, I really truly respect the work that you've done, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and, uh, Council President.

1687
02:46:26.587 --> 02:46:35.994
<v Loretta Smith>I, I respect what you're trying to do, um, in trying to set up the next president, but I don't feel that this is setting up the next president.

1688
02:46:36.121 --> 02:46:43.685
<v Loretta Smith>I think this is basically tying the hands of the next president, and it's not right in my opinion.

1689
02:46:43.765 --> 02:46:44.439
<v Loretta Smith>This is just me.

1690
02:46:44.486 --> 02:46:44.599
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1691
02:46:45.165 --> 02:46:45.563
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1692
02:46:46.397 --> 02:46:55.549
<v Loretta Smith>Both of you all had the opportunity to do the things that you needed to do based on how you wanted to run as the presiding officer.

1693
02:46:56.737 --> 02:47:02.599
<v Loretta Smith>This document ties the hands of the next president in a way that is egregious.

1694
02:47:03.882 --> 02:47:05.922
<v Loretta Smith>And I am not in support of this.

1695
02:47:06.050 --> 02:47:07.528
<v Loretta Smith>I think we need to have a work session.

1696
02:47:07.575 --> 02:47:17.666
<v Loretta Smith>I think actually, City Attorney, uh, Robert Taylor, some of this needs to be in an executive session, this conversation.

1697
02:47:19.061 --> 02:47:27.289
<v Loretta Smith>And I don't know how we can do some of that, but some of these ideals should be talked about in the executive session.

1698
02:47:28.218 --> 02:47:30.784
<v Loretta Smith>So thank you for hearing me out, Council President.

1699
02:47:31.154 --> 02:47:31.940
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1700
02:47:32.518 --> 02:47:34.602
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, I just want to note that it is 12:15.

1701
02:47:34.843 --> 02:47:39.307
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are 7 councilors in the 7 councilors in the queue, 6 councilors in the queue.

1702
02:47:39.900 --> 02:47:43.001
<v Jamie Dunphy>And obviously we will not get to the meat of this issue today.

1703
02:47:43.193 --> 02:47:50.647
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm hoping to get everyone to get on the record as much as possible, and I intend to schedule a work session regardless after this.

1704
02:47:51.561 --> 02:47:52.173
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

1705
02:47:53.233 --> 02:47:55.209
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, colleagues.

1706
02:47:55.320 --> 02:48:11.114
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>As the former chair of the previous governance committee, I know how complex I also can attest to there's been a lot of waiting for this, and there's been a lot of work that's gone into this.

1707
02:48:12.254 --> 02:48:17.853
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I have been asking every time this has been brought forward that we do exactly what Councilor Novick has said.

1708
02:48:18.608 --> 02:48:24.512
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Let's break this into manageable pieces and let's pass what the majority of us can agree on.

1709
02:48:24.688 --> 02:48:31.853
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Let's pass those fixes that The people, many of our staff who support this body need fixed.

1710
02:48:33.838 --> 02:48:44.066
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>My suggestion is that we pass Dunphy 2, that amendment, which pulls out and reverts back to the status quo, the discharge piece.

1711
02:48:45.144 --> 02:48:53.288
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Because I, from what I can see, that is the, what is controversial and was, is what's holding us back from passing today.

1712
02:48:53.835 --> 02:48:59.930
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The rest of it, all of those other amendments, that can come out of— at a work session down the road.

1713
02:48:59.994 --> 02:49:02.498
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That can come at Committee of the Whole next week.

1714
02:49:02.594 --> 02:49:04.795
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Sounds like we have a commitment for that.

1715
02:49:05.356 --> 02:49:15.697
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Um, but I would love for us to not keep kicking this can down the road, mostly for our staff that need— that need this— need these changes in code.

1716
02:49:16.227 --> 02:49:16.579
<v Candace Avalos>So—.

1717
02:49:16.852 --> 02:49:17.897
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1718
02:49:20.369 --> 02:49:23.260
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I would like to move Dunphy 2.

1719
02:49:24.950 --> 02:49:25.239
<v Steve Novick>Second.

1720
02:49:26.157 --> 02:49:31.912
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Koyama Lane has moved Dunphy 2 and Councilor Novick has seconded.

1721
02:49:32.977 --> 02:49:38.608
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues in the queue, I have got you in the order, uh, for call— for the general discussion.

1722
02:49:38.656 --> 02:49:41.765
<v Jamie Dunphy>So we are now into a, uh, debate of—.

1723
02:49:41.845 --> 02:49:42.989
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I can get a second though.

1724
02:49:43.311 --> 02:49:43.971
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Novick seconded.

1725
02:49:44.037 --> 02:49:47.306
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, so We are now in debate of Dunphy 2.

1726
02:49:48.081 --> 02:49:51.796
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to check folks in the queue if they have any, uh, conversation about that.

1727
02:49:51.877 --> 02:49:52.264
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green?

1728
02:49:55.350 --> 02:49:59.727
<v Mitch Green>Uh, you know, I wasn't in the queue for this, but I support— I would vote for Dunphy 2.

1729
02:50:00.211 --> 02:50:00.534
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

1730
02:50:00.922 --> 02:50:03.262
<v Jamie Dunphy>And feel free to stay in the queue because I'm going to call you all later.

1731
02:50:03.584 --> 02:50:04.295
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos?

1732
02:50:07.700 --> 02:50:17.929
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I, I obviously support Dunphy 2, but I think my issue here is that what I keep hearing is that this is— we have to do this so that we can function as a body.

1733
02:50:18.361 --> 02:50:25.172
<v Candace Avalos>What are the things that are— I don't see delineated here what the things are that like staff need in order to do their jobs.

1734
02:50:25.252 --> 02:50:25.941
<v Candace Avalos>What are those things?

1735
02:50:26.453 --> 02:50:27.622
<v Candace Avalos>It's not 100% of this.

1736
02:50:27.799 --> 02:50:33.567
<v Candace Avalos>I know that for a fact because you put things in here that are controversial and have known to be controversial.

1737
02:50:33.615 --> 02:50:36.244
<v Candace Avalos>So I am a little frustrated to hear that.

1738
02:50:36.611 --> 02:50:37.765
<v Candace Avalos>I know that you are a little frustrated.

1739
02:50:37.814 --> 02:50:38.838
<v Candace Avalos>You put a lot of work into it.

1740
02:50:39.136 --> 02:50:39.546
<v Candace Avalos>I get that.

1741
02:50:39.915 --> 02:50:42.676
<v Candace Avalos>I'm also frustrated that we haven't gotten to it until now.

1742
02:50:42.870 --> 02:50:47.300
<v Candace Avalos>And also, there were lots of leadership choices that could have been made to bring this a long time ago.

1743
02:50:48.007 --> 02:50:51.155
<v Candace Avalos>And we're not gonna, you know, this committee of the whole and the whatever.

1744
02:50:51.316 --> 02:50:57.931
<v Candace Avalos>At the end of the day, the president has the choice to add this as a priority and make that a priority by putting it in work sessions a long time ago.

1745
02:50:58.380 --> 02:50:59.778
<v Candace Avalos>And so now we're at the 11th hour.

1746
02:51:00.066 --> 02:51:03.615
<v Candace Avalos>I'm being told that if we don't do this, then the council staff can't do their job.

1747
02:51:03.664 --> 02:51:03.985
<v Candace Avalos>Well, I don't—.

1748
02:51:04.001 --> 02:51:06.505
<v Candace Avalos>I want to know specifically what things they can't do if we don't make these changes.

1749
02:51:06.554 --> 02:51:06.906
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Loretta Smith.

1750
02:51:06.940 --> 02:51:09.534
<v Candace Avalos>Changes, because I know it's not 100% of this document.

1751
02:51:09.855 --> 02:51:33.136
<v Candace Avalos>So without that delineation and with the choices that were made to make— you made decisions in this document, you made decisions, which is you're allowed to, but you're also going to feel the weight of making decisions without the people that need to vote on those, and us feeling frustrated like we don't have enough visibility, we're being told at the last minute to do this, and there's this clock that we're running against.

1752
02:51:33.248 --> 02:51:39.386
<v Candace Avalos>I understand that people feel that we want to get something done ahead of the next, you know, council president election.

1753
02:51:39.657 --> 02:51:40.395
<v Candace Avalos>That I agree.

1754
02:51:41.421 --> 02:51:54.031
<v Candace Avalos>But this wasn't the way to do it because what you've proposed is something that makes a lot of assumptions that I have not seen your reasoning for why you believe these things are consensus or your reasoning for what things need to happen because logistics.

1755
02:51:54.079 --> 02:51:54.753
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know that.

1756
02:51:55.345 --> 02:52:00.024
<v Candace Avalos>And so I, you know, I— of course I want to support Dunphy 2.

1757
02:52:00.104 --> 02:52:09.015
<v Candace Avalos>Of course I want to put that back because ultimately, I was hoping that what we were going to receive was status quo on things we don't agree on and make time for that.

1758
02:52:09.402 --> 02:52:10.558
<v Candace Avalos>And we need to make time for this.

1759
02:52:10.927 --> 02:52:12.021
<v Candace Avalos>This is really frustrating.

1760
02:52:12.117 --> 02:52:19.619
<v Candace Avalos>Like, I, I have been— I wasn't on the Governance Committee, and I had to go out of my way to try to make time to weigh in on that.

1761
02:52:20.068 --> 02:52:25.354
<v Candace Avalos>I've spent this whole year in Committee of the Whole hoping that that's what we were going to be doing, and that hasn't happened.

1762
02:52:25.852 --> 02:52:40.352
<v Candace Avalos>And regardless, I don't— it's not about pointing fingers about what I'm reflecting, I'm reacting to what's happening right now and my discomfort with moving something forward that has a lot of assumptions about positions that I don't see documentation for.

1763
02:52:40.961 --> 02:52:47.639
<v Candace Avalos>And I feel that we need to put— and also this like, oh, the only thing that's controversial is the 4-person discharge.

1764
02:52:47.703 --> 02:52:48.201
<v Candace Avalos>Disagree.

1765
02:52:48.586 --> 02:52:52.006
<v Candace Avalos>I think there's a lot of other things in here that are controversial that need to be discussed.

1766
02:52:52.102 --> 02:52:55.425
<v Candace Avalos>So again, what do you mean there everything else has consensus?

1767
02:52:55.474 --> 02:52:58.139
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Loretta Smith, So I'm frustrated too.

1768
02:52:58.220 --> 02:52:59.779
<v Candace Avalos>Like, I don't— I guess I don't understand.

1769
02:52:59.826 --> 02:53:02.895
<v Candace Avalos>If we pass Dunphy 2, then what, right?

1770
02:53:02.959 --> 02:53:11.760
<v Candace Avalos>Because then that, to me, that's just going to muddy it up more because now we've put one arbitrary thing and then are we going to be asked to approve the rest of it when again it has controversial things?

1771
02:53:12.193 --> 02:53:14.218
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm feeling stuck in process right now.

1772
02:53:14.522 --> 02:53:16.386
<v Candace Avalos>I wish that we would have tabled it.

1773
02:53:16.450 --> 02:53:17.671
<v Candace Avalos>I know that that wasn't ideal.

1774
02:53:17.735 --> 02:53:28.129
<v Candace Avalos>I know that there's uncertainty in tabling it and having to again lean on our leaders to make the decisions to prioritize this in our agenda, but it's October 28th.

1775
02:53:28.658 --> 02:53:35.006
<v Candace Avalos>So I would love to have gotten this done before January, but also we just need to get it done right.

1776
02:53:35.456 --> 02:53:36.513
<v Candace Avalos>I don't care about the time.

1777
02:53:37.282 --> 02:53:39.287
<v Candace Avalos>And so I— this is not the time.

1778
02:53:39.927 --> 02:53:40.648
<v Candace Avalos>I don't support this.

1779
02:53:41.483 --> 02:53:44.384
<v Candace Avalos>I'm going to vote for this amendment if I have to, because apparently I have to.

1780
02:53:44.833 --> 02:53:49.161
<v Candace Avalos>But after that, somebody needs to move immediately to move this to another day.

1781
02:53:49.240 --> 02:53:49.385
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1782
02:53:49.836 --> 02:53:51.584
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, this is unconscionable to me.

1783
02:53:51.987 --> 02:53:52.343
<v Michael Rosen>Thanks.

1784
02:53:53.831 --> 02:53:54.864
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1785
02:53:55.447 --> 02:53:56.902
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Kanal.

1786
02:53:57.079 --> 02:53:57.986
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

1787
02:53:58.114 --> 02:54:00.147
<v Sameer Kanal>I, like Councilor Green, I was not originally in the queue on this.

1788
02:54:00.227 --> 02:54:01.193
<v Sameer Kanal>I do have thoughts on it.

1789
02:54:01.354 --> 02:54:06.120
<v Sameer Kanal>I am very supportive of one— any of the 5 amendments that change the discharge.

1790
02:54:06.168 --> 02:54:14.769
<v Sameer Kanal>I think 4 of them are designed to try to restore it to the primary initial use, which is to, to be a balance to the makeup of committees.

1791
02:54:15.349 --> 02:54:26.409
<v Sameer Kanal>So that if a committee is stacked, I'm thinking, for example, Councilor Smith put up a resolution earlier this year to try and have a study done on 400, the cost of 400 new police officers.

1792
02:54:26.891 --> 02:54:33.474
<v Sameer Kanal>Imagine a council president some years in the future who puts 5 people on the Public Safety Committee that don't want that.

1793
02:54:34.020 --> 02:54:38.804
<v Sameer Kanal>Shouldn't she have a right to have her thing be heard and ultimately voted on in the full council?

1794
02:54:39.316 --> 02:54:40.793
<v Sameer Kanal>That was the original purpose of it.

1795
02:54:40.859 --> 02:54:46.900
<v Sameer Kanal>That's why I was It was important to me to clarify earlier, this reverts to the status quo, which allows for that.

1796
02:54:47.350 --> 02:54:51.963
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't think it's the best possible outcome, but I think it's a dramatic improvement on what's in the current underlying.

1797
02:54:52.540 --> 02:54:56.209
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm really grateful to Council President Dunphy for putting it forward and intend to support it.

1798
02:54:56.643 --> 02:55:15.265
<v Sameer Kanal>Because I may not have the chance to speak before the next motion after this about what to do with this document, I will state definitively that it will be the second if it were to be referred to Committee of the Whole, which I'm not advocating for because my agenda is is packed, but I would commit to putting it as a second item on the November 5th agenda if that were to happen.

1799
02:55:15.860 --> 02:55:19.291
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know that I'd vote for that motion, but if that's what happens, I would— that's where I would put it.

1800
02:55:19.404 --> 02:55:19.852
<v Unidentified speaker>Say it again.

1801
02:55:20.190 --> 02:55:21.056
<v Sameer Kanal>Say that one more time.

1802
02:55:21.953 --> 02:55:30.918
<v Sameer Kanal>If hypothetically this ordinance was referred to the Committee of the Whole, it would be the second item on the agenda on November 5th.

1803
02:55:31.672 --> 02:55:39.317
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not committing to voting for the motion to refer it to the Committee of the Whole, because our agenda in general for the year is kind of tight.

1804
02:55:40.369 --> 02:55:48.110
<v Sameer Kanal>But I can commit to that, and I wanted to be on the record for it because I may not have a chance to speak on it before— after this vote, but before that motion.

1805
02:55:49.322 --> 02:55:50.224
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1806
02:55:50.289 --> 02:55:50.900
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1807
02:55:52.626 --> 02:55:53.174
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1808
02:55:53.495 --> 02:56:02.987
<v Eric Zimmerman>I share a lot of the concern about the constructed timeline squeeze that Councilor Avalos is sharing.

1809
02:56:03.319 --> 02:56:08.186
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I, I, I feel no sense of timeline or sense of pressure for a timeline.

1810
02:56:08.843 --> 02:56:12.754
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, so that's not going to be a motivator for me to pass anything.

1811
02:56:13.171 --> 02:56:25.895
<v Eric Zimmerman>I would encourage all of you who voted to table this item to continue to vote against all amendments today, because the winnowing away of things just to make the underlying somewhat better is, is not going to be effective.

1812
02:56:25.942 --> 02:56:29.404
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think actually at this point, the councilors who put this forward.

1813
02:56:29.451 --> 02:56:34.375
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that you brought it forward with a great sense of that there was consensus, and I think it's been squandered at this point.

1814
02:56:35.865 --> 02:56:43.049
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I think there is a role for the Committee of the Whole here after a very deep work session.

1815
02:56:43.644 --> 02:56:45.454
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I say that because of, of 2 reasons.

1816
02:56:46.209 --> 02:56:51.997
<v Eric Zimmerman>I care a lot about the philosophy of governing that comes behind each of these measures, right?

1817
02:56:52.046 --> 02:57:06.716
<v Eric Zimmerman>The role of council, the role of president, the role of a committee chair, The role of the fact that the clerk works for a different branch of government, those are types of things that I think are— I want to hear people's thoughts on that.

1818
02:57:07.293 --> 02:57:14.229
<v Eric Zimmerman>And to Councilor Kanal, I think that the CAW is a little difficult for that, which is why I say work session first.

1819
02:57:14.534 --> 02:57:24.987
<v Eric Zimmerman>But what would be great, I think, is once a work session has really heartily happened and folks know where some things are at, I think you take 30 amendments probably down to 3 or 4.

1820
02:57:25.934 --> 02:57:40.915
<v Eric Zimmerman>And then, then the cow— let's have a spirited debate about amendments so that when it comes to council— and I know it's a matter of changing the lights and the hats and whatever, we're all sitting around the same damn table, I get it— but there's a spirit to it that I want to hear from people.

1821
02:57:40.963 --> 02:57:46.761
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's why I still value so much those conversations we were having across the street in December of '24.

1822
02:57:47.695 --> 02:57:57.868
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because we were talking about the roles, because we were quite literally going from a blank document, and we didn't agree, but it, it, it mattered in terms of what does this look like, and that gave us a framework.

1823
02:57:58.283 --> 02:58:01.713
<v Eric Zimmerman>So if there's consensus today, I don't see it.

1824
02:58:02.658 --> 02:58:17.203
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not going to vote for anything, even the things I agree with today, because I have no interest in passing little bits to make the underlying a little bit more palatable, because I don't see this, and I'm not getting the spirit of, the philosophy for, and how it all fits together.

1825
02:58:17.444 --> 02:58:24.495
<v Eric Zimmerman>So you can count me as a no on anything that comes forward today because I've laid out the process I would like to see, and that's what I'll be supportive of.

1826
02:58:24.593 --> 02:58:24.994
<v Isaac McLennan>Thank you.

1827
02:58:25.459 --> 02:58:26.471
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1828
02:58:26.584 --> 02:58:30.279
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo will be the last on the debate of Dunphy 2.

1829
02:58:30.359 --> 02:58:31.307
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll move to a vote.

1830
02:58:31.548 --> 02:58:40.911
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, I'll preview that I'm going to continue this item to a future council meeting, and I will be scheduling a work session immediately after this We'll get it on the calendar as quickly as possible.

1831
02:58:40.959 --> 02:58:41.522
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

1832
02:58:41.698 --> 02:58:50.480
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm going to be honest, I don't understand what the difference is between sending it to a committee or going to a work session or just having the debate here and then voting on things.

1833
02:58:50.915 --> 02:58:58.670
<v Angelita Morillo>It seems like we're doing the same thing, uh, except that you don't want the pressure of having to make a decision, and we're just going to keep kicking the can down the road eternally.

1834
02:58:59.327 --> 02:59:01.608
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so I, I'm supportive of Dunphy too.

1835
02:59:01.833 --> 02:59:05.584
<v Angelita Morillo>I hope my colleagues will be, and I'm supportive of us voting.

1836
02:59:05.747 --> 02:59:06.269
<v Angelita Morillo>So thank you.

1837
02:59:07.032 --> 02:59:07.927
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Mariah.

1838
02:59:08.237 --> 02:59:10.222
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the roll on Dunphy 2?

1839
02:59:11.602 --> 02:59:12.292
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Ryan—.

1840
02:59:12.871 --> 02:59:17.213
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, sorry, moved by Koyama Lane, seconded by Novick.

1841
02:59:17.536 --> 02:59:18.822
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh yeah, okay, thank you.

1842
02:59:19.466 --> 02:59:20.780
<v Keelan McClymont>Um, Clark is absent.

1843
02:59:20.861 --> 02:59:21.154
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

1844
02:59:24.492 --> 02:59:24.509
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1845
02:59:25.273 --> 02:59:26.103
<v Keelan McClymont>Um, Zimmerman?

1846
02:59:26.413 --> 02:59:26.511
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

1847
02:59:36.139 --> 02:59:36.180
<v Isaac McLennan>Aye.

1848
02:59:39.747 --> 02:59:39.974
<v Loretta Smith>No.

1849
02:59:43.372 --> 02:59:43.422
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1850
02:59:47.578 --> 02:59:47.820
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

1851
02:59:51.367 --> 02:59:55.171
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, absent.

1852
03:00:01.146 --> 03:00:01.154
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

1853
03:00:01.948 --> 03:00:01.996
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1854
03:00:04.717 --> 03:00:04.862
<v Raymond C. Lee>Aye.

1855
03:00:05.201 --> 03:00:05.379
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1856
03:00:06.007 --> 03:00:16.056
<v Keelan McClymont>The, uh, amendment is approved with a vote of 7 ayes.

1857
03:00:16.412 --> 03:00:20.284
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, I'm going to continue this item to a future council agenda.

1858
03:00:21.236 --> 03:00:23.363
<v Jamie Dunphy>As I promised, we will be scheduling a work session on this.

1859
03:00:23.540 --> 03:00:26.447
<v Jamie Dunphy>This concludes our agenda for this afternoon.

1860
03:00:26.511 --> 03:00:30.685
<v Jamie Dunphy>This meeting is— are we recessed or adjourned?

1861
03:00:31.006 --> 03:00:31.424
<v Keelan McClymont>Recessed.

1862
03:00:31.472 --> 03:00:35.118
<v Jamie Dunphy>This meeting is recessed until tomorrow, Thursday, October 29th, at 2 o'clock.

1863
03:00:35.245 --> 03:00:35.791
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

