WEBVTT 1 00:06:49.949 --> 00:06:51.603 Morning, everybody. 2 00:06:51.940 --> 00:06:53.050 Um, welcome. 3 00:06:53.548 --> 00:06:56.857 Uh, I'm going to call the meeting of the Public Works Committee to order. 4 00:06:56.952 --> 00:07:00.728 It's Tuesday, October the 27th at 9:32. 5 00:07:01.786 --> 00:07:03.362 Deanna, could you please call the roll? 6 00:07:04.990 --> 00:07:05.391 Good morning. 7 00:07:05.745 --> 00:07:06.033 Green? 8 00:07:08.154 --> 00:07:08.331 Here. 9 00:07:09.216 --> 00:07:09.488 Smith? 10 00:07:10.646 --> 00:07:11.016 Kanal? 11 00:07:11.370 --> 00:07:11.529 Here. 12 00:07:12.076 --> 00:07:12.622 Koyama Lane? 13 00:07:13.362 --> 00:07:13.490 Here. 14 00:07:14.069 --> 00:07:14.247 Clerk? 15 00:07:14.812 --> 00:07:14.973 Here. 16 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:18.360 And Claire, could you please read the statement of conduct? 17 00:07:19.103 --> 00:07:19.538 Thank you, Chair. 18 00:07:20.136 --> 00:07:22.233 Good morning and welcome to the meeting of the Public Works Committee. 19 00:07:22.718 --> 00:07:33.605 To testify before this committee in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the committee agenda at portland.gov/council/agenda/publicworkscommittee or by calling 311. 20 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.141 Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting. 21 00:07:37.819 --> 00:07:40.595 In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard. 22 00:07:41.353 --> 00:07:46.663 If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the chair states otherwise. 23 00:07:47.324 --> 00:07:49.262 Your microphone will be muted when your time is over. 24 00:07:50.166 --> 00:07:51.151 The chair preserves order. 25 00:07:51.523 --> 00:07:59.288 Disruptive conduct such as shouting, Refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed. 26 00:08:00.057 --> 00:08:01.836 If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given. 27 00:08:02.365 --> 00:08:05.024 Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting. 28 00:08:05.569 --> 00:08:08.567 Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass. 29 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.060 Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually. 30 00:08:12.860 --> 00:08:14.720 Your testimony should address the matter being considered. 31 00:08:15.103 --> 00:08:16.819 When testifying, state your name for the record. 32 00:08:17.411 --> 00:08:19.750 If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent. 33 00:08:20.136 --> 00:08:23.374 And finally, virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name. 34 00:08:23.742 --> 00:08:23.983 Thank you. 35 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:25.795 Thank you, Claire. 36 00:08:26.949 --> 00:08:33.393 Uh, colleagues, we have a slightly lighter agenda today than we've had in recent weeks, which is kind of a break. 37 00:08:34.259 --> 00:08:34.754 Welcome. 38 00:08:35.764 --> 00:08:43.572 But first, we're going to have an ordinance from PBOT on allowing property owners to paint driveway clearances for safety and visibility. 39 00:08:44.597 --> 00:08:48.253 Then, um, we will resume our discussion on autonomous vehicles. 40 00:08:48.349 --> 00:08:52.946 But before we do that, I'd like to take a little bit of an extended break after we We finished the first item. 41 00:08:54.331 --> 00:08:57.898 But before we get to those items, we need to adopt the committee minutes. 42 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:04.559 Are there any changes, objections, issues? 43 00:09:06.613 --> 00:09:06.919 Do I—. 44 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.423 I don't need to move approval, do I? 45 00:09:08.715 --> 00:09:08.892 No. 46 00:09:08.956 --> 00:09:09.053 No. 47 00:09:09.119 --> 00:09:09.442 Okay. 48 00:09:09.586 --> 00:09:10.298 Thank you, everyone. 49 00:09:11.500 --> 00:09:11.725 Okay. 50 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:17.909 So we've approved the minutes of September meeting without objection. 51 00:09:20.309 --> 00:09:23.644 So, Diana, would you please read the first item? 52 00:09:25.174 --> 00:09:46.341 Item number 2, document number 2026-387, amend vehicles and traffic code to clarify Bureau of Transportation authority and allow flexibility, replace code section 16.10.080 and amend chapter 16.90. 53 00:09:48.557 --> 00:09:48.975 Thank you. 54 00:09:50.067 --> 00:09:57.923 So colleagues, this ordinance replaces and amends city code to allow property owners to paint driveway clearances. 55 00:09:58.741 --> 00:10:02.035 And what we're talking about here is just part of the driveway that meets the street. 56 00:10:02.597 --> 00:10:07.048 And this can be painted to prevent parking immediately adjacent to a driveway. 57 00:10:08.076 --> 00:10:13.860 But there's been quite a backlog, and obviously we're all familiar with the budget cuts that have taken place at PBOT. 58 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:21.730 So PBOT needs to amend the code to make this process of driveway painting easier and less expensive for property owners. 59 00:10:23.470 --> 00:10:29.214 So, and I'm gonna have some interesting questions about this, and I know they have a presentation. 60 00:10:29.261 --> 00:10:30.917 Staff has a presentation for us. 61 00:10:31.371 --> 00:10:32.230 We, oh, I'm sorry. 62 00:10:33.408 --> 00:10:34.650 Are you Erica Niebel? 63 00:10:34.908 --> 00:10:35.667 Yes, I am. 64 00:10:35.812 --> 00:10:36.490 Hi, welcome. 65 00:10:37.182 --> 00:10:38.005 And you must be Peter. 66 00:10:38.642 --> 00:10:38.755 Yes. 67 00:10:39.210 --> 00:10:39.631 Great. 68 00:10:39.940 --> 00:10:43.477 Why don't you introduce yourselves, and then you've got, you're going to show us a slideshow. 69 00:10:44.388 --> 00:10:49.149 All right, um, we are working on the presentation, so please hang tight with us. 70 00:10:49.261 --> 00:10:50.465 Okay, introductions first. 71 00:10:50.769 --> 00:10:51.298 Oh, okay. 72 00:10:51.908 --> 00:10:52.998 Good morning, councilors. 73 00:10:53.190 --> 00:10:56.476 Thank you for having us this morning, and I apologize for the technical issue. 74 00:10:57.038 --> 00:11:02.009 My name is Erica Namio-Kniebel, and I oversee the parking and regulatory operations at PBOT. 75 00:11:02.634 --> 00:11:06.754 And next to me is— I'm going to do his introduction while he's working on the presentation. 76 00:11:07.220 --> 00:11:08.309 His name is Peter Wachicki. 77 00:11:08.566 --> 00:11:18.808 He is the program manager for parking signs and markings within, uh, Parking operations. 78 00:11:19.260 --> 00:11:21.940 Oh, sorry, having a technical difficulty. 79 00:11:22.649 --> 00:11:23.022 How's that? 80 00:11:24.668 --> 00:11:25.475 Adam to the rescue. 81 00:11:29.673 --> 00:11:30.879 Muted. 82 00:11:31.073 --> 00:11:32.051 That's right. 83 00:11:32.149 --> 00:11:34.739 I'm glad it's a lighter agenda, or else I'll be a little bit more stressed. 84 00:11:36.259 --> 00:11:37.437 No, no, no, no stress today. 85 00:11:37.928 --> 00:11:39.173 No, it's a no stress day. 86 00:11:39.222 --> 00:11:39.500 Shirt. 87 00:11:39.567 --> 00:11:42.658 So although I may ask you some questions that may stress you out. 88 00:11:48.173 --> 00:11:55.918 Click on here, and now you can share there or share there. 89 00:11:56.096 --> 00:11:57.241 And thank you. 90 00:11:57.370 --> 00:11:59.903 All right, thank you so much for the assistance. 91 00:12:01.870 --> 00:12:02.470 All right, next slide. 92 00:12:04.750 --> 00:12:05.035 All right. 93 00:12:05.778 --> 00:12:13.115 So we are here today to discuss minor changes to Portland City Code Chapter 16-10-080 and 16-90. 94 00:12:13.710 --> 00:12:23.119 This change would allow residents and businesses to paint their own driveway clearances, do it at a reduced cost, and reducing the long wait time from request to completion. 95 00:12:23.825 --> 00:12:29.813 And it also ensures their— that their invested time and money is actually enforceable by the city when there's a violation. 96 00:12:30.664 --> 00:12:30.970 Next slide. 97 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:34.750 So first, what is a driveway clearance? 98 00:12:35.283 --> 00:12:39.739 Simply, it's paint that's added to the curb and street for easier driveway access. 99 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:45.722 Driveway clearances are an easy way to visually make drivers aware that they're way too close to the driveway. 100 00:12:50.408 --> 00:12:57.837 As our urban neighborhoods grow denser, there's often more stress on the on-street parking system, and drivers sometimes park too close to driveways. 101 00:12:58.442 --> 00:13:03.058 When this happens, it reduces visibility getting out of driveways, which presents a safety problem. 102 00:13:03.812 --> 00:13:18.639 Driveway clearances help reduce livability frustrations, contribute to fewer confrontations, and make it unnecessary to put makeshift signs, cones, or what have you in the right-of-way to ensure you can simply just get out of your driveway. 103 00:13:19.442 --> 00:13:24.154 Between 2021 and 2024, we received over 600 of these requests. 104 00:13:24.956 --> 00:13:37.398 Unfortunately, we suspended this service last year because we needed to prioritize a backlog during that time, we were coming up with a— hopefully a simple process that would allow people to perform that work themselves. 105 00:13:42.317 --> 00:13:51.988 Currently, by code, people are allowed to paint the driveway throat— that's the driveway and the wings in that picture there— with hardly any involvement from the city. 106 00:13:52.149 --> 00:13:54.246 The only requirement is the color of paint. 107 00:13:54.972 --> 00:13:58.328 What's not allowed is painting the curb adjacent to the wings. 108 00:13:58.682 --> 00:14:01.821 And the streets in the— I'm sorry, the lines in the streets. 109 00:14:04.729 --> 00:14:07.163 You just say that you can't paint the lines in the street? 110 00:14:07.307 --> 00:14:08.710 Yes, we cannot. 111 00:14:08.839 --> 00:14:08.951 Yeah. 112 00:14:09.015 --> 00:14:14.620 So currently, this adjustment to code would allow us to allow people to do that. 113 00:14:16.831 --> 00:14:18.264 So when— oh, yes. 114 00:14:18.442 --> 00:14:23.048 When the city was performing the service, property owners would request and pay the city to install them. 115 00:14:23.256 --> 00:14:27.475 The fee was about $383, which was cost recovery at that time. 116 00:14:28.182 --> 00:14:31.068 It took about 2 days to complete and is weather dependent. 117 00:14:31.614 --> 00:14:35.431 So you may ask, why is the city involved at all? 118 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.611 And that's a very valid question. 119 00:14:37.707 --> 00:14:39.856 And are we creating unnecessary bureaucracy? 120 00:14:40.594 --> 00:14:44.715 There are 3 main reasons why this design or this process was designed. 121 00:14:45.565 --> 00:14:49.429 First, the city should be aware of any work in the right-of-way. 122 00:14:49.590 --> 00:14:50.841 Think of a parking sign. 123 00:14:51.193 --> 00:14:57.275 We don't want anyone and everyone putting their own parking signs up in the— in a public and shared space. 124 00:14:58.034 --> 00:14:59.956 The second and third points sort of go together. 125 00:15:00.618 --> 00:15:07.197 In order for the city to enforce driveway clearances, we have to know that they are official and installed properly. 126 00:15:07.809 --> 00:15:10.630 And in order to know it's official, we need to know where they are. 127 00:15:13.916 --> 00:15:15.554 And I'm sorry, go back one. 128 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:21.019 Just a final point, going back to the example of parking signs. 129 00:15:21.686 --> 00:15:24.107 Parking enforcement only enforces official signs. 130 00:15:25.859 --> 00:15:35.360 So what we are proposing is an easier and faster process. 131 00:15:36.004 --> 00:15:40.336 Previously, it took 6+ months to complete because there was a backlog of work. 132 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:46.293 Oftentimes, the work took longer because other work was prioritized for safety and ADA access reasons. 133 00:15:47.054 --> 00:15:49.741 Instead, we're proposing a self-serve and verify process. 134 00:15:49.807 --> 00:15:50.049 Thank you. 135 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.673 The resident or business would apply online. 136 00:15:53.047 --> 00:15:59.081 Staff would verify that they have permission from the property owner and that there weren't any other issues. 137 00:15:59.743 --> 00:16:01.192 The application gets approved. 138 00:16:01.354 --> 00:16:07.798 The requester pays the $200 for cost recovery for staff time, and they paint their driveway clearance at their leisure. 139 00:16:08.605 --> 00:16:14.919 After the work is complete, the city will inspect the work, make sure it's just done properly, and add it to GIS. 140 00:16:15.403 --> 00:16:17.138 And at that point, It's enforceable. 141 00:16:18.538 --> 00:16:22.413 So that concludes our presentation, and we're happy to take questions. 142 00:16:24.249 --> 00:16:25.168 Well, thank you, Erica. 143 00:16:25.475 --> 00:16:29.010 Um, I have questions, but I'll defer to Councilor Green to kick us off. 144 00:16:29.835 --> 00:16:33.518 Uh, thank you, Chair Clark, and thank you, Erica, and so much for presenting this. 145 00:16:33.711 --> 00:16:38.357 Um, this is something that I've wanted for a long time. 146 00:16:38.423 --> 00:16:53.386 I remember, uh, dealing with, uh, a neighbor that just refused to not park in front of my driveway, just constantly, and was like, uh, like somehow I'm the jerk because I'm like, I want to get my car out of my driveway. 147 00:16:53.530 --> 00:16:58.738 And, and when I was trying to deal with it, it's like, well, sorry, we can't enforce this because you don't have the paint. 148 00:16:58.817 --> 00:17:01.013 And I was like, this, this feels like a nightmare to me. 149 00:17:01.621 --> 00:17:03.976 Um, and I feel like a lot of Portlanders probably feel that way. 150 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:07.486 So this is a really good example, I think, of, of extremely responsive government. 151 00:17:07.549 --> 00:17:08.558 So I, so I applaud it. 152 00:17:08.928 --> 00:17:09.584 I do have a question. 153 00:17:09.648 --> 00:17:11.778 Can you go back to the slide where you show the 2 different costs? 154 00:17:11.810 --> 00:17:11.988 Sure. 155 00:17:14.219 --> 00:17:14.635 Perfect. 156 00:17:14.765 --> 00:17:18.056 Uh, it's like the second to last slide, I think. 157 00:17:19.099 --> 00:17:19.838 Yeah, that one right there. 158 00:17:20.625 --> 00:17:29.167 Um, so you said, I think, just briefly that the $200 is cost recovery for staff time, or the review of the application and the verification at the end. 159 00:17:29.392 --> 00:17:29.520 Yes. 160 00:17:29.568 --> 00:17:30.035 Okay, great. 161 00:17:30.259 --> 00:17:35.381 So then in the status quo, is $382.50 even cost recovery? 162 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.292 I have— my honest answer is that I, I have my doubts. 163 00:17:41.597 --> 00:17:46.691 So at the time we were doing cost recovery for labor, and maybe you'll, you know, this answer a little bit better. 164 00:17:47.204 --> 00:17:53.374 Um, I'm not sure if it was fully loaded, and it, you know, the every year costs rise. 165 00:17:53.807 --> 00:17:53.951 Yeah. 166 00:17:54.513 --> 00:17:56.023 Um, Peter Wojcicki. 167 00:17:56.603 --> 00:18:06.063 Uh, the $382.50 was actually an inflationary rate change from $360, which was fixed for the last 10 years. 168 00:18:06.656 --> 00:18:09.546 So it was cost recovery based on many years ago. 169 00:18:10.589 --> 00:18:10.653 Yeah. 170 00:18:10.829 --> 00:18:16.977 So I think that what, what we're seeing here is, you know, because I was going to ask, well, why is there a 6-month-plus queue? 171 00:18:17.315 --> 00:18:28.693 Well, probably because there's not enough resources to clear the queue, and there's not enough resources to clear the queue because you can't really charge enough to, to pay for the people to do the— so, so is that— am I on the right track there? 172 00:18:29.432 --> 00:18:30.089 Yes, for the most part. 173 00:18:31.768 --> 00:18:32.897 Okay, excuse me. 174 00:18:33.124 --> 00:18:33.835 I have no other questions. 175 00:18:33.931 --> 00:18:34.755 I think this is great. 176 00:18:34.997 --> 00:18:35.901 Good bill must pass. 177 00:18:37.644 --> 00:18:40.334 Uh, Councilor Kanal. 178 00:18:40.961 --> 00:18:41.763 Thank you, Chair Clark. 179 00:18:41.989 --> 00:18:42.454 Thank you, Erica. 180 00:18:42.567 --> 00:18:44.655 Thank you, Peter, for being here and for the work on this. 181 00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:49.986 I, broadly speaking, support this, and, and I'm in alignment with everything that Councilor Green just said. 182 00:18:50.761 --> 00:18:57.791 Um, I had a couple questions that are also on this slide 7, um, related to the sort of subpoint under number 1 in both cases. 183 00:18:58.715 --> 00:19:00.061 Um, I'm a renter. 184 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:10.344 I have had different situations where it's clearer or not based on where I'm living, whether or not you can park, how close you can park. 185 00:19:10.760 --> 00:19:15.588 And so I wanted to kind of understand a couple things about the owner approval piece. 186 00:19:17.017 --> 00:19:26.384 One, can you just speak to, I guess, the necessity of this and if we're obligated under, I'm guessing, state law to require this? 187 00:19:28.152 --> 00:19:31.510 Um, actually, I don't know if we're required under state law to have this. 188 00:19:32.088 --> 00:19:36.250 Um, what we're really trying to do is just get maybe more of the authorization. 189 00:19:36.523 --> 00:19:42.500 Let's say you're the renter, you'll pay the $200, but you say, hey, I've got it covered, I just want to get it painted so I don't have a problem. 190 00:19:42.614 --> 00:19:47.819 Hopefully your property manager or owner will be amenable to something like that. 191 00:19:48.430 --> 00:19:52.221 If we do have challenges, we can certainly come back and look at it again. 192 00:19:52.655 --> 00:19:54.567 Uh, and kind of review a process. 193 00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:08.057 We're just trying to make sure that, you know, it's— people are in agreement to do this and someone's just not out painting driveway clearances all over the city, which actually wouldn't be all that bad, but there's some costs there involved. 194 00:20:08.171 --> 00:20:10.355 We want to make sure we're getting them from the right people. 195 00:20:10.804 --> 00:20:14.674 And typically no one's going to complain about having a driveway clearance. 196 00:20:15.461 --> 00:20:22.275 It's crossing our T's, dotting our I's, just making sure that we're I appreciate that. 197 00:20:22.938 --> 00:20:27.934 And as it relates to someone out there just painting driveway clearances, don't threaten me with a good time. 198 00:20:29.432 --> 00:20:31.224 I think that would be amazing if that happened. 199 00:20:31.289 --> 00:20:38.477 But I also wanted to ask, how is— what is the method for demonstrating owner approval? 200 00:20:39.930 --> 00:20:43.739 We would typically just ask for an email, you know, from the property owner. 201 00:20:43.804 --> 00:20:48.826 We were able to look in GIS and pull up Multnomah County tax records to identify who the property owner name or number is. 202 00:20:48.875 --> 00:21:02.519 If it's a property management company and something simply, an email from, you know, Larry's property management company saying, yes, I approve of having this done. 203 00:21:03.596 --> 00:21:04.479 Nothing too onerous. 204 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:08.798 That was the third question I was going to ask, was about how property managers fit into this. 205 00:21:08.894 --> 00:21:12.955 So do you have that record, or how would you cross-check that? 206 00:21:13.951 --> 00:21:25.746 Within our GIS and the tax records, they typically identify who the property owner is, and a lot of times the property owner is a property management company or identifies a property management company. 207 00:21:26.530 --> 00:21:29.448 Um, and it takes a little bit of legwork. 208 00:21:29.511 --> 00:21:32.763 We haven't— unfortunately, we haven't had to deal with residential properties. 209 00:21:32.861 --> 00:21:36.849 Most of our requests from property owners has been of, of businesses. 210 00:21:37.522 --> 00:21:41.656 Um, so, you know, the fringes, and those are related to time zone changes and things along those lines. 211 00:21:42.153 --> 00:21:52.890 But, um, if we do run into some hiccups with the, the property owner verification, we can look at dropping it since, again, it's not Uh, a bad thing to have a driveway clearance. 212 00:21:53.451 --> 00:22:00.534 Yeah, and it's also not an area that— in the road itself and the curb, we're not talking about an area that is actually part of the property that is owned, right? 213 00:22:00.597 --> 00:22:01.222 That is correct. 214 00:22:01.335 --> 00:22:07.936 So that, that's my reason for asking, is if this was on the actual property, that obviously would require property owner approval. 215 00:22:08.513 --> 00:22:10.260 2 quick process questions on this. 216 00:22:10.452 --> 00:22:13.498 One, um, do you have a redline version for Exhibit A? 217 00:22:13.721 --> 00:22:19.714 Because I see it's just a straight replacement and just for, I think, transparency. 218 00:22:21.259 --> 00:22:22.323 We can absolutely get that to you. 219 00:22:22.483 --> 00:22:23.852 Sorry, we don't have it right at the moment. 220 00:22:24.173 --> 00:22:24.544 No worries. 221 00:22:24.800 --> 00:22:32.215 And then for this slide that had the diagram, do you have one showing the key would come out? 222 00:22:32.618 --> 00:22:34.507 It's that dotted line extended, right? 223 00:22:37.318 --> 00:22:37.432 Here. 224 00:22:38.933 --> 00:22:40.065 Okay, perfect. 225 00:22:40.534 --> 00:22:41.810 That is what I was hoping to get. 226 00:22:41.990 --> 00:22:42.171 Great. 227 00:22:42.891 --> 00:22:43.888 Excuse me. 228 00:22:44.053 --> 00:22:49.832 Particularly like this example, We want to make sure that it's a 3-foot maximum extension. 229 00:22:50.410 --> 00:22:58.405 We don't want people— that's one of the reasons why we want it verified and permitted, because we don't want people putting a 5 or 6-foot-wide driveway apron. 230 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:04.123 You know, then all of a sudden you've reduced parking on street because everybody's got a 6-foot-wide driveway clearance. 231 00:23:04.876 --> 00:23:06.515 Okay, yeah, that makes sense. 232 00:23:06.644 --> 00:23:15.852 Do you have, in terms of the paint, It's just the color that's regulated, right? 233 00:23:15.963 --> 00:23:16.894 Not that it's—. 234 00:23:16.894 --> 00:23:17.069 Yeah. 235 00:23:17.213 --> 00:23:17.326 Yes. 236 00:23:17.390 --> 00:23:23.864 You go to Home Depot or Miller Paint, or actually it's Rodda Miller now, and ask for traffic yellow. 237 00:23:24.105 --> 00:23:25.018 They'll have traffic yellow. 238 00:23:25.707 --> 00:23:25.900 Great. 239 00:23:26.268 --> 00:23:26.813 Thank you so much. 240 00:23:28.111 --> 00:23:28.318 Great. 241 00:23:28.367 --> 00:23:28.607 Thank you. 242 00:23:28.655 --> 00:23:29.505 That was one of my questions. 243 00:23:29.568 --> 00:23:30.626 It's called traffic yellow. 244 00:23:30.691 --> 00:23:33.928 It's not like a regulation paint or something that you have to buy. 245 00:23:34.874 --> 00:23:36.044 It's just traffic yellow. 246 00:23:37.566 --> 00:23:40.580 I had some questions just about the past. 247 00:23:41.496 --> 00:23:44.527 Has this been a very subscribed program in the past? 248 00:23:44.575 --> 00:23:48.279 You said there was a waiting list of 600, but have you had lots before? 249 00:23:49.289 --> 00:23:49.948 What's the volume? 250 00:23:50.492 --> 00:23:54.278 We were doing a couple hundred a year on average. 251 00:23:54.968 --> 00:24:02.121 I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but it was quite popular, you know, a lot of people wanting it. 252 00:24:02.506 --> 00:24:13.866 And one of the other added benefits that we don't bring up on this is, is that after 5 or 7 or 10 years, we'd be like, it's— you're gonna have to pay again to maintain it. 253 00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:25.182 Whereas once you've gone through us and permitted it and you're clearly repainting, we'll make sure that's within the permit process that they identify that you're clearly repainting what was there before. 254 00:24:25.936 --> 00:24:27.107 You could repaint it every year. 255 00:24:27.557 --> 00:24:34.298 You know, it's nice and sunny out last day, you know, a week ago, you paint it for the for the fall and winter weather so it stands out. 256 00:24:35.484 --> 00:24:38.451 But you— what you're saying is you don't have to reapply to, to re—. 257 00:24:38.451 --> 00:24:38.820 Correct. 258 00:24:39.013 --> 00:24:39.431 Once—. 259 00:24:39.654 --> 00:24:43.152 That's one of the bonuses of, uh, making sure we go through this permit program. 260 00:24:43.361 --> 00:24:48.846 It becomes an asset in, in our inventory, and as long as you're maintaining it to the conditions that it was before—. 261 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:50.000 So if a—. 262 00:24:50.258 --> 00:25:00.717 You call somebody in for parking enforcement and they all of a sudden realize that that curb line is now 5 or 6, it's creeped its way out real far, they'll be like, uh, I don't think this one's legal anymore. 263 00:25:01.005 --> 00:25:08.361 And, and we would be able to go back and pull the permit from the Amanda system to identify that it was permitted at 3 feet, not 6 or 7. 264 00:25:08.409 --> 00:25:11.671 Or it's so faded that, uh, you can't really tell. 265 00:25:11.782 --> 00:25:12.121 It's there, right? 266 00:25:12.875 --> 00:25:22.339 Under this process, you pay the $200 and you're able to repaint it whenever you want, as opposed to paying the $363 or whatever every time you need to repaint. 267 00:25:22.837 --> 00:25:23.352 I think it's super. 268 00:25:23.415 --> 00:25:24.573 I don't think I've ever seen one. 269 00:25:24.622 --> 00:25:26.967 Have you ever— my colleagues, have you ever seen one of these? 270 00:25:27.031 --> 00:25:27.546 You've seen one? 271 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:29.249 I don't think— I've never seen one. 272 00:25:30.067 --> 00:25:30.582 It's not often. 273 00:25:31.192 --> 00:25:32.300 I, I know I'm a violator. 274 00:25:32.798 --> 00:25:39.175 Um, I can tell you that I creep up, you know, into that past the 3-foot maximum. 275 00:25:39.464 --> 00:25:43.304 I'm, I'm, you know, I know I'm a violator, so this is, this is a good thing. 276 00:25:43.656 --> 00:25:44.571 It's a really good thing. 277 00:25:45.326 --> 00:25:59.984 Um, I did want to ask though, um, and some of my other, my colleagues may be interested in this, is I've had an interest for quite a while in having, um, Citizens have more ability to do more of these kinds of things in their neighborhood. 278 00:26:00.657 --> 00:26:05.501 And I'm wondering, um, and maybe— I don't know if Erica and Peter can answer this. 279 00:26:05.566 --> 00:26:18.604 I know there are other people from PBOT in the audience, but when you do a, um, a plaza or those kinds of things, when we close off a street, are we allowing the neighbors to do that painting? 280 00:26:18.797 --> 00:26:19.020 Is it—. 281 00:26:19.020 --> 00:26:20.096 How is that regulated? 282 00:26:20.144 --> 00:26:20.848 I'm just curious. 283 00:26:21.586 --> 00:26:23.654 Hi, Wendy Cully, interim PBOT director. 284 00:26:24.070 --> 00:26:28.672 Yeah, so we have different, um, things that happen in the right-of-way where we involve the public. 285 00:26:28.736 --> 00:26:34.474 One is street intersection painting that is, uh, almost exclusively by volunteers. 286 00:26:34.586 --> 00:26:40.501 People sign up, we help get the materials there, make sure that they have the right skid resistance and things like that. 287 00:26:40.582 --> 00:26:45.615 But those are largely, um, installed by the community and the neighbors. 288 00:26:45.728 --> 00:26:54.836 We are also working with some neighborhood associations right now, um, to allow them to paint yellow curb where there are already no parking signs. 289 00:26:55.029 --> 00:27:08.796 So like at intersections where we want to make it clear that you don't park all the way up to the corner, and it's already posted with a sign, we are— we do have some agreements, and we're trying to grow that to allow folks to paint the curb yellow there. 290 00:27:09.164 --> 00:27:13.679 And then we just have some one-offs where somebody says, can we do some painted curb extensions? 291 00:27:13.742 --> 00:27:15.317 And we work with them to get that done. 292 00:27:15.430 --> 00:27:22.714 So yeah, we do have a process for that, and our traffic operations section is really trying to grow that movement. 293 00:27:22.955 --> 00:27:33.105 I will caveat that with saying that we do draw the line on like having them install traffic control devices like stop signs and things like that. 294 00:27:33.219 --> 00:27:42.343 We have had those requests before, but because there are liabilities associated with certain types of pavement markings and signage that we do have to regulate those. 295 00:27:42.454 --> 00:27:42.776 Mm-hmm. 296 00:27:43.176 --> 00:27:47.554 And we, the city does have to take ownership and maintenance responsibility for those. 297 00:27:48.211 --> 00:27:49.589 Okay, I appreciate that, Wendy. 298 00:27:49.670 --> 00:28:09.354 I think I'm really interested in how we can push the envelope on this some, and we can talk about this offline, but I'm really interested in what it would take for PBOT to allow neighbors to do other kinds of striping, whether it's crosswalk striping, those kind of other safety measures. 299 00:28:09.787 --> 00:28:15.077 I'm glad you're, you're doing the the curb painting, I think that's great. 300 00:28:15.623 --> 00:28:21.683 Is there a, um, is there a fee for the other, the other activities you've described, the plazas and the—. 301 00:28:22.518 --> 00:28:24.346 Um, I think it, it depends. 302 00:28:24.458 --> 00:28:29.189 Typically the, um, community intersection painting, there, I think there's a small fee. 303 00:28:29.413 --> 00:28:38.970 And, um, but the plazas we do on, uh, PBOT does on their own or in partnership with, um, uh, a business or others that are going to help activate the plaza. 304 00:28:39.114 --> 00:28:48.472 So there's some some— we foot the bill for most of the initial installation in plazas, if they're defined plazas. 305 00:28:49.787 --> 00:28:57.509 But the curb painting for better visibility for no parking, we are not— the community's paying for that. 306 00:28:57.575 --> 00:29:00.009 So I think there's a mix of that as well. 307 00:29:00.682 --> 00:29:05.570 And so our neighbors would apply to the— you said the traffic— what was it again? 308 00:29:05.634 --> 00:29:24.662 The traffic yeah, right now we're— we have— we are making agreements with neighborhood associations, and I think, um, if folks want to, they would contact, um, 823-SAFE or 311, and they would get funneled into our traffic investigations, traffic operations section, uh, to talk about that. 309 00:29:24.726 --> 00:29:41.606 But again, we're, we're, um, kind of— I wouldn't say we're in the infancy because we have moved some of this forward, but we are still trying to figure out how broadly this can be applied, recognizing, you know, we've heard this from councilors before that, yeah, how can encourage community to be partners in this. 310 00:29:41.702 --> 00:29:47.747 So we're happy to keep working on that and flesh out what a bigger program might look like. 311 00:29:47.810 --> 00:30:00.924 Well, I, I know I'm interested, and I think some of my colleagues might be interested in promoting this, maybe in our newsletters or other ways that neighborhood associations can, can be involved in making these kind of safety improvements in their neighborhood. 312 00:30:02.223 --> 00:30:15.750 And maybe there could be a pilot or something like that to do crosswalk painting I know that's probably more of a liability issue for you, but I'm certainly interested in pursuing these options. 313 00:30:15.846 --> 00:30:20.478 I think it's also community building as well as safety and prevention. 314 00:30:20.974 --> 00:30:25.221 So I appreciate, I appreciate what you are doing and what you're willing to pursue. 315 00:30:25.781 --> 00:30:34.515 I, I think this would be an opportune time to talk about the Adopt-a-Catchbasin program as well for the neighbors as it's fall, going out there and clearing your catch basins. 316 00:30:35.317 --> 00:30:37.465 Loading that up into your, your yard debris bin. 317 00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:41.635 I definitely know that people see me doing that in my neighborhood. 318 00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:47.970 Would you mind maybe sending us a follow-up email on that about the Adopt a Catch Basin? 319 00:30:48.163 --> 00:30:54.336 And some of us might want to promote these kinds of things and promote the, the curb painting as well. 320 00:30:55.123 --> 00:30:56.037 I, I know I would. 321 00:30:56.101 --> 00:31:01.602 I don't know about my colleagues, but I'm definitely interested in this, and I'm glad to hear that you're working with the neighborhood associations. 322 00:31:01.713 --> 00:31:03.108 I really, really appreciate that. 323 00:31:03.718 --> 00:31:05.306 Any other questions or comments? 324 00:31:05.561 --> 00:31:06.973 Councilor Kanal, did you have another? 325 00:31:07.309 --> 00:31:07.727 Yeah, thank you. 326 00:31:07.790 --> 00:31:13.228 I, I really appreciate you bringing up everything with relation to sort of expanding this, and thanks for being here, Director Cully. 327 00:31:13.483 --> 00:31:26.505 Um, I think the, the 2 places I'm most interested in this are, uh, soft daylighting, meaning the, the red paint, um, but not a physical, you know, as distinguished from hard daylighting with a physical barrier to parking there. 328 00:31:28.718 --> 00:31:29.519 As an interim step. 329 00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.294 And then crosswalks as well. 330 00:31:32.405 --> 00:31:33.112 I agree completely. 331 00:31:33.449 --> 00:31:51.520 The other thing I wanted to kind of float is the idea of if there is somebody who's interested in doing a lot of these, you know, I imagine the inspection and verification cost to PBOT is lower if there were 10 of these on the same street than, you know, 200 times 10. 332 00:31:51.970 --> 00:32:05.994 So some sort of way of either working proactively to sort of accredit a group or to do a bulk discount effectively if it's within the same area and could all be expected at once to try and allow folks to like to do a full block. 333 00:32:06.635 --> 00:32:14.505 I think that that would be really helpful to lowering the cost of this for PBOT as well as for the folks who are trying to do the right thing and paint. 334 00:32:14.986 --> 00:32:15.162 Thanks. 335 00:32:15.561 --> 00:32:16.284 Appreciate that. 336 00:32:16.332 --> 00:32:16.748 Great idea. 337 00:32:16.909 --> 00:32:17.854 That's a great idea. 338 00:32:18.270 --> 00:32:24.616 Is there— well, I don't know, Erica or Pete, are you the people that neighborhood associations contact for this or? 339 00:32:25.672 --> 00:32:26.946 Who's the point of contact? 340 00:32:29.040 --> 00:32:31.394 It's going to be my group, PBOT Parking Control. 341 00:32:32.605 --> 00:32:36.744 And that's our email as well, pbotparkingcontrol@portlandoregon.gov. 342 00:32:37.438 --> 00:32:43.942 We also have a phone number, 823-7275. 343 00:32:44.118 --> 00:32:46.358 But we take in all aspects of parking requests across the city. 344 00:32:46.488 --> 00:32:50.627 So businesses needing time zone changes and things along those lines or truck loading zones. 345 00:32:50.991 --> 00:32:53.251 Well, I'll bet you they have driveways they'd like to paint too. 346 00:32:53.941 --> 00:32:55.592 Um, but thank you, thank you all so much. 347 00:32:55.943 --> 00:32:58.396 Um, and great ideas, colleagues. 348 00:32:58.444 --> 00:33:11.426 So, uh, if there aren't any other questions or comments, um, would someone like to make a motion to move ordinance document number 2026387 to the full council with the recommendation passed? 349 00:33:11.604 --> 00:33:13.046 So moved. 350 00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:13.479 Second. 351 00:33:13.832 --> 00:33:14.167 Great. 352 00:33:15.034 --> 00:33:18.414 Councilor Kanal has moved, Councilor Green has seconded. 353 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.205 The motion's, um, Ready to go, no more discussion. 354 00:33:22.470 --> 00:33:23.481 Uh, Diane, will you please call the roll? 355 00:33:23.932 --> 00:33:26.295 Uh, before I take roll, we do have one testifier. 356 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:26.922 Okay. 357 00:33:27.483 --> 00:33:28.240 Oh, sorry about that. 358 00:33:28.432 --> 00:33:28.512 Whoops. 359 00:33:28.576 --> 00:33:29.059 That's okay. 360 00:33:29.526 --> 00:33:30.569 Just sped right over that. 361 00:33:30.875 --> 00:33:33.208 I have Alejandro Stein signed up. 362 00:33:33.922 --> 00:33:34.261 Terrific. 363 00:33:35.073 --> 00:33:36.192 We needed a speed bump. 364 00:33:41.303 --> 00:33:46.067 I don't see Alejandro coming to the table, so final call for Alejandro. 365 00:33:47.527 --> 00:33:47.884 Thank you. 366 00:33:48.598 --> 00:33:51.977 We'll assume he was for it. 367 00:33:53.228 --> 00:33:54.576 Let me go back to the vote then. 368 00:33:56.016 --> 00:33:58.253 So moved by Kanal, seconded by Green. 369 00:33:59.172 --> 00:33:59.382 Green? 370 00:34:01.490 --> 00:34:01.587 Aye. 371 00:34:02.714 --> 00:34:03.778 Kanal? 372 00:34:04.163 --> 00:34:04.308 Aye. 373 00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:05.663 Koyama Lane? 374 00:34:06.083 --> 00:34:06.131 Aye. 375 00:34:06.744 --> 00:34:07.133 Clark? 376 00:34:07.375 --> 00:34:07.505 Aye. 377 00:34:09.168 --> 00:34:21.528 With 4 ayes and 1 absent, the motion to refer the ordinance document number 2026 386-387 to council with the recommendation it be passed has, uh, been approved. 378 00:34:21.769 --> 00:34:22.027 Thank you. 379 00:34:22.411 --> 00:34:22.989 Great, thank you. 380 00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:24.128 Thank you all for being here. 381 00:34:24.257 --> 00:34:26.856 Great program, and we want to see it expanded. 382 00:34:27.947 --> 00:34:29.023 We'll, we'll work on that. 383 00:34:29.295 --> 00:34:30.675 Appreciate you. 384 00:34:31.302 --> 00:34:36.452 Um, colleagues, I'm going to ask you if you would be willing to take, uh, maybe a 15-minute break. 385 00:34:36.773 --> 00:34:39.342 Is that possible before we head to the next item? 386 00:34:39.581 --> 00:34:40.400 I really appreciate that. 387 00:34:40.577 --> 00:34:42.695 So why don't we come back at 10:15? 388 00:34:43.512 --> 00:34:43.818 Thank you. 389 01:01:34.632 --> 01:01:36.719 My apologies to the people in the audience. 390 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:42.210 We had asked the committee to reconvene at 10:15, but I know a couple of our members are off working on something. 391 01:01:42.981 --> 01:01:47.666 Some of you you may know that, but we'll convene as soon as we get a quorum. 392 01:01:47.989 --> 01:01:48.862 I apologize. 393 01:01:49.688 --> 01:01:51.500 Maybe I hear them coming. 394 01:01:51.789 --> 01:01:53.996 Let's see. 395 01:01:56.929 --> 01:01:58.221 Thank you. 396 01:02:47.594 --> 01:02:50.472 Well, I just apologize to the audience. 397 01:02:51.034 --> 01:02:52.257 Okay, great. 398 01:02:52.338 --> 01:02:55.494 We'll reconvene now that my colleagues are back. 399 01:02:56.853 --> 01:03:00.007 Diana, could you please read the next issue? 400 01:03:01.293 --> 01:03:09.253 Item number 3, document number 2026-385, committee discussion on automated vehicles. 401 01:03:09.688 --> 01:03:11.463