{ "meetingId": "2026-10-22-2", "title": "Portland City Council PM Session 10/22/26", "displayTitle": "City Council · afternoon", "date": "2026-10-22T19:00:00-07:00", "duration": 66, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PYq4T8pbpI", "videoId": "6PYq4T8pbpI", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/2026/10/21", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Public comment", "type": "Public communication", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/public-communication/placed-file/october-21-2026-public-communications" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Amend the Portland Zoning Code to bring it into compliance with Oregon State legislative bills passed in 2025 and 2026 (amend Title 33)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192241" }, { "number": 5, "title": "Amend Secondhand Dealers Code to strengthen compliance requirements and update program fees (amend Code Chapter 14B.90)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192242" }, { "number": 6, "title": "Approve the findings to authorize exemption to the competitive bidding requirements and authorize competitive solicitation for the use of the alternative contracting method of a Construction Manager/General Contractor for the Montgomery Park Streetcar Extension Project", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192243" }, { "number": 7, "title": "Authorize Intergovernmental Agreement between the City, State of Oregon, and Multnomah County to establish the Oregon Arena Joint Authority", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192244" }, { "number": 8, "title": "Appoint members to the Oregon Arena Joint Authority", "type": "Report", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/report/accepted/2026-363" }, { "number": 9, "title": "Amend Code related to prohibitions on possession of firearms within certain City buildings to disallow affirmative defense for persons with concealed handgun licenses (amend Code Sections 3.18.020, 14A.60.010 and 20.12.050)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/protecting-public-buildings" }, { "number": 10, "title": "Support the preservation of court access to protect taxpayers from extreme weather costs", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/adopted/37755" }, { "number": 11, "title": "Adopt the FY 2026-27 Fall Supplemental Budget and make other budget related changes", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/fy-2026-27-fall-supplemental-budget" }, { "number": 12, "title": "Add Budget and Financial Procedures Code to create and direct the use of a subfund within the General Reserve Fund specific to the City’s Business License Tax revenue (add Code Chapter 5.90)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/adopt-code-chapter-590" }, { "number": 13, "title": "Adopt the Budget Calendar for FY 2027-28", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/adopt-budget-calendar-fy-2027-28" } ], "summary": "**Portland City Council members voted 9-1 to amend the fall supplemental budget so the council's operations manager can give staff merit raises above the current 2% cap, then sent that budget and a companion business-license-tax reserve ordinance to a second reading** ([00:50:56](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:50:56)). Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) cast the lone no. Councilors Eric Zimmerman (District 4) and Angelita Morillo (District 3) were absent.\n\n## Council lifts merit-raise cap for its own staff\n\nCouncil President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), who presided, sponsored the amendment. It covers the Council Operations office, the staff who support councilors and committees. Dunphy said the office is \"wildly underdefined in our code, our rules, and our practices\" ([00:10:56](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:10:56)). He said he would likely bring a governance proposal before the end of the year. He described the change as \"For this year only,\" tied to 2026-27 appropriations ([00:50:13](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:50:13)).\n\nHeidi Brown, Chief Deputy City Attorney, was summoned during a 5-minute recess. She said council had already authorized merit of **2% up to $100,000**, and the amendment \"would remove that cap\" ([00:39:50](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:39:50)). Under the amendment, the operations manager would set raises with the council president's approval. Brown said the raises are legal despite pending unionization: \"the answer is yes, because we are in status quo.\"\n\nSmith argued that merit pay belongs in collective bargaining, not a budget adjustment: \"We're subverting the labor process\" ([00:17:09](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:17:09)). She said most of the staff were hired at about $85,000 and some administrative staff at $100,000 or $110,000. She noted the city faces a deficit and that the mayor is \"not giving any merit, any merit to any of the executive side.\" She said staff already receive \"a 2% increase plus their additional 3.5% COLA,\" or cost-of-living adjustment ([00:42:19](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:42:19)), and called the amendment \"a bait and switch\" ([00:44:17](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:44:17)).\n\nSmith also asked where the extra money would come from. Brown said it would stay \"within their current budget appropriations\" ([00:44:15](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:44:15)). Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) pointed to savings from vacant positions. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said the office has \"enough projected vacancy savings to cover the raises they've indicated they would make if this amendment passed\" ([00:47:46](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:47:46)).\n\nSupporters gave several reasons:\n- Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said \"this is a perfectly appropriate place to file an amendment\" because the budget is an appropriations ordinance ([00:22:08](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:22:08)).\n- Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said council staff have no defined step increases. She said she had been told the union permitted raises to continue until a contract is signed.\n- Smith said she had not seen that permission, and Brown said she would make sure Smith received it ([00:45:49](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:45:49)).\n\nCouncilor Dan Ryan (District 2) prompted the recess for legal advice, saying the item felt \"awkward\" and he had gotten \"into a place of confusion and doubt\" ([00:32:22](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:32:22)). He then voted yes.\n\n## Exchanges on the dais\n\nSmith said council members could face a labor complaint and tied this to a separate mask measure: \"Our legal counsel told us not to do it, and we did it anyway\" ([00:20:30](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:20:30)). Dunphy cut in moments earlier: \"Councilwoman Smith, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you\" ([00:20:28](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:20:28)). When Dunphy said he, not the operations manager, had filed the amendment, Smith replied, \"I'm glad, I'm glad she, she got you to do it\" ([00:21:57](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:21:57)).\n\nGreen said, \"I don't think it's appropriate to come up here and, and name individual people's salaries.\" He added that lawsuit predictions were \"baseless speculation.\" Kanal cited the council rule requiring members to \"refrain from personal criticism.\" He also disputed Smith's account of the mask legislation: \"it is not true to say that we were told by lawyers not to do the mask conversation\" ([00:26:05](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:26:05)). He added: \"we can hide behind the fact that they're attorney-client privileged and just categorically lie about them. Or we can read them.\"\n\nLater, Kanal made a formal request for information: \"Does anybody in the Council Operations Program report to Councilor Smith?\" ([00:49:16](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:49:16)). Dunphy answered, \"Structurally, no\" ([00:49:31](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:49:31)).\n\n## 2027-28 budget calendar adopted\n\nThe council adopted the Fiscal Year 2027-28 budget calendar by a vote of **10-0**, with two absent ([01:05:14](meeting:2026-10-22-2@01:05:14)). Smith voted yes on final passage. Before that, a Dunphy amendment passed 9-1, with Smith voting no ([00:55:54](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:55:54)). The amendment:\n- moves budget hearings to accommodate the second night of Passover;\n- restores Thanksgiving break;\n- gives committee time blocks generic names;\n- adds explanatory text for non-standard meeting times.\n\nDunphy said one Passover-week meeting would move to a Friday ([00:59:17](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:59:17)). Because regular meeting times are set in city code, Dunphy proposed placing a conforming ordinance on the consent agenda. Smith objected that the council was \"taking some of the powers away from the incoming president\" ([00:57:02](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:57:02)). Evan Jindal, Policy Director for Council President, said a future president could pass a new resolution and ordinance: \"It is all subject to change\" ([00:58:09](meeting:2026-10-22-2@00:58:09)). Pirtle-Guiney, Green and Avalos backed the consent approach.\n\n## Other business\n\n- Kanal thanked City Budget Office staff for answering his questions on six budget decision packages and said descriptions need tightening.\n- The business license tax subfund ordinance drew no separate discussion.\n- The Thursday session had no public comment period and no public testimony. The agenda places public communications on the Oct. 21 session.\n\n## What's next\n\n- The fall supplemental budget and the business license tax subfund ordinance return for second reading; no date was stated.\n- Dunphy plans to place the conforming meeting-time ordinance on the consent agenda \"in the coming weeks.\"\n- He said he would likely bring a Council Operations governance proposal before year's end.\n- Smith asked to be told what raises are given; Dunphy said none had been contemplated before the authority existed.", "summaryText": "Portland City Council members voted 9-1 to amend the fall supplemental budget so the council's operations manager can give staff merit raises above the current 2% cap, then sent that budget and a companion business-license-tax reserve ordinance to a second reading (00:50:56). Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) cast the lone no. Councilors Eric Zimmerman (District 4) and Angelita Morillo (District 3) were absent.\n\nCouncil President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), who presided, sponsored the amendment. It covers the Council Operations office, the staff who support councilors and committees. Dunphy said the office is \"wildly underdefined in our code, our rules, and our practices\" (00:10:56). He said he would likely bring a governance proposal before the end of the year. He described the change as \"For this year only,\" tied to 2026-27 appropriations (00:50:13).\n\nHeidi Brown, Chief Deputy City Attorney, was summoned during a 5-minute recess. She said council had already authorized merit of 2% up to $100,000, and the amendment \"would remove that cap\" (00:39:50). Under the amendment, the operations manager would set raises with the council president's approval. Brown said the raises are legal despite pending unionization: \"the answer is yes, because we are in status quo.\"\n\nSmith argued that merit pay belongs in collective bargaining, not a budget adjustment: \"We're subverting the labor process\" (00:17:09). She said most of the staff were hired at about $85,000 and some administrative staff at $100,000 or $110,000. She noted the city faces a deficit and that the mayor is \"not giving any merit, any merit to any of the executive side.\" She said staff already receive \"a 2% increase plus their additional 3.5% COLA,\" or cost-of-living adjustment (00:42:19), and called the amendment \"a bait and switch\" (00:44:17).\n\nSmith also asked where the extra money would come from. Brown said it would stay \"within their current budget appropriations\" (00:44:15). Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) pointed to savings from vacant positions. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said the office has \"enough projected vacancy savings to cover the raises they've indicated they would make if this amendment passed\" (00:47:46).\n\nSupporters gave several reasons: - Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said \"this is a perfectly appropriate place to file an amendment\" because the budget is an appropriations ordinance (00:22:08). - Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said council staff have no defined step increases. She said she had been told the union permitted raises to continue until a contract is signed. - Smith said she had not seen that permission, and Brown said she would make sure Smith received it (00:45:49).\n\nCouncilor Dan Ryan (District 2) prompted the recess for legal advice, saying the item felt \"awkward\" and he had gotten \"into a place of confusion and doubt\" (00:32:22). He then voted yes.\n\nSmith said council members could face a labor complaint and tied this to a separate mask measure: \"Our legal counsel told us not to do it, and we did it anyway\" (00:20:30). Dunphy cut in moments earlier: \"Councilwoman Smith, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you\" (00:20:28). When Dunphy said he, not the operations manager, had filed the amendment, Smith replied, \"I'm glad, I'm glad she, she got you to do it\" (00:21:57).\n\nGreen said, \"I don't think it's appropriate to come up here and, and name individual people's salaries.\" He added that lawsuit predictions were \"baseless speculation.\" Kanal cited the council rule requiring members to \"refrain from personal criticism.\" He also disputed Smith's account of the mask legislation: \"it is not true to say that we were told by lawyers not to do the mask conversation\" (00:26:05). He added: \"we can hide behind the fact that they're attorney-client privileged and just categorically lie about them. Or we can read them.\"\n\nLater, Kanal made a formal request for information: \"Does anybody in the Council Operations Program report to Councilor Smith?\" (00:49:16). Dunphy answered, \"Structurally, no\" (00:49:31).\n\nThe council adopted the Fiscal Year 2027-28 budget calendar by a vote of 10-0, with two absent (01:05:14). Smith voted yes on final passage. Before that, a Dunphy amendment passed 9-1, with Smith voting no (00:55:54). The amendment: - moves budget hearings to accommodate the second night of Passover; - restores Thanksgiving break; - gives committee time blocks generic names; - adds explanatory text for non-standard meeting times.\n\nDunphy said one Passover-week meeting would move to a Friday (00:59:17). Because regular meeting times are set in city code, Dunphy proposed placing a conforming ordinance on the consent agenda. Smith objected that the council was \"taking some of the powers away from the incoming president\" (00:57:02). Evan Jindal, Policy Director for Council President, said a future president could pass a new resolution and ordinance: \"It is all subject to change\" (00:58:09). Pirtle-Guiney, Green and Avalos backed the consent approach.\n\n- Kanal thanked City Budget Office staff for answering his questions on six budget decision packages and said descriptions need tightening. - The business license tax subfund ordinance drew no separate discussion. - The Thursday session had no public comment period and no public testimony. The agenda places public communications on the Oct. 21 session.\n\n- The fall supplemental budget and the business license tax subfund ordinance return for second reading; no date was stated. - Dunphy plans to place the conforming meeting-time ordinance on the consent agenda \"in the coming weeks.\" - He said he would likely bring a Council Operations governance proposal before year's end. - Smith asked to be told what raises are given; Dunphy said none had been contemplated before the authority existed.", "summaryLede": "Portland City Council members voted 9-1 to amend the fall supplemental budget so the council's operations manager can give staff merit raises above the current 2% cap, then sent that budget and a companion business-license-tax reserve ordinance to a second reading. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) cast the lone no. 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"text": "Here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 530.161, "end": 532.055, "text": "And could we please read the rules of decorum for the chamber?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 534.08, "end": 534.997, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 535.222, "end": 536.381, "text": "Welcome to the Portland City Council.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-33", "start": 536.687, "end": 542.305, "text": "To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-34", "start": 546.24, "end": 549.748, "text": "Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-35", "start": 550.458, "end": 554.337, "text": "Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer 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"Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 596.533, "end": 596.806, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 597.416, "end": 598.123, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 598.541, "end": 602.218, "text": "Uh, colleagues, we got 3 items on our agenda and we're going to call the first 2 together.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 602.395, "end": 604.546, "text": "Could we please call items 11 and 12 together?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 604.803, "end": 607.999, "text": "Item 11, document 2026-366.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 608.673, "end": 615.703, "text": "Adopt the FY 2026-27 fall supplemental budget and make other budget-related changes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 616.217, "end": 631.721, "text": "Item 12, document 2026-368, add budget and financial procedures code to create and direct the use of a subfund within the general reserve fund specific to the city's business license tax revenue at code chapter 5.90.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 632.668, "end": 633.31, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 633.375, "end": 643.045, "text": "You know, colleagues, we've already had a work session on this and a committee of the whole meeting about this, but our budget director, Ruth Levine is here as well as our chief financial officer Jonas Biery.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 643.222, "end": 645.538, "text": "I don't know if we have further presentation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 645.957, "end": 649.711, "text": "Oh, and also our city treasurer is here as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 654.036, "end": 655.46, "text": "Are we doing a presentation on this?", "speaker": "Jamie 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merit pay for council ops.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 679.79, "end": 685.846, "text": "So I'm following discussion in committee and some additional work that got done on the back end.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 686.538, "end": 690.851, "text": "I have redrafted Dunphy 1 and pre-filed it with a final legal approval.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 691.225, "end": 700.265, "text": "I appreciate the conversation that the amendment triggered last week about governance of council operations and the scope of the council president the president's power over that office.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 701.083, "end": 710.127, "text": "As Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I can both attest, the question of what exactly is council ops is wildly underdefined in our code, our rules, and our practices.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 710.223, "end": 713.848, "text": "And another part of the plane that we've been building while we fly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 714.249, "end": 722.235, "text": "Just for fun, just to unpack it a little bit, we appropriated money for council ops in the budget, and that budget has a program description.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 722.892, "end": 727.575, "text": "The council operations manager is hired by contract executed by the council president.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 727.703, "end": 740.851, "text": "And in code, All that we are working with is 3.02.040, which states, I quote, the president is the presiding officer and will promote efficient council operations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 742.05, "end": 742.853, "text": "That's it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 743.704, "end": 753.191, "text": "So let's just be clear and say this is an area that needs tightening up, and I will likely bring— be bringing a proposal before the end of the year that would do some of that basic definition of governance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 753.884, "end": 764.645, "text": "As for the amendment before us today, operations is clearly part of the legislative branch and not subject to the executive branch the manager should be empowered to manage her staff within the authorized appropriations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 764.758, "end": 770.857, "text": "The most straightforward way to do this and still have elected oversight is to have the president be the final sign-off.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 771.724, "end": 776.844, "text": "So we should sign— we should pass this amendment today, and we should also come back to this topic sooner than later.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 776.893, "end": 781.21, "text": "So I would like to formally move Dunphy 1, and I would welcome a second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 781.371, "end": 781.82, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 783.12, "end": 786.828, "text": "I think Councilor Avalos was just slightly above that, so thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 788.257, "end": 788.851, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 788.915, "end": 791.837, "text": "We, uh, we are now in discussion of Dunphy 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 791.902, "end": 794.069, "text": "Is there any discussion or debate?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 794.92, "end": 796.381, "text": "Yes, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 796.702, "end": 798.597, "text": "Just a clarifying question, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 798.854, "end": 807.508, "text": "Um, because this is an amendment to the, um, the fall technical adjustment, um, would it just take effect— it's only for this year, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 807.621, "end": 811.33, "text": "Like, we'd still have to navigate this for future fiscal years, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 811.715, "end": 817.427, "text": "There is still certainly a lot of work to for the— but this is specific to the appropriations currently within Council Ops.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 817.605, "end": 829.352, "text": "This is like allow— giving a specific authority to this year only for the Council Operations Manager to use their budget as they, uh, in line with other guidance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 829.449, "end": 830.093, "text": "So this is the—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 830.093, "end": 832.154, "text": "Yes, it's a long way of saying yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 832.604, "end": 832.909, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 833.809, "end": 834.854, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 835.496, "end": 836.187, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 837.746, "end": 838.71, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 838.774, "end": 843.904, "text": "And Councilor Kanal asked my first question, so I will just ask 2 quick questions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 845.059, "end": 866.297, "text": "Are there changes in this language from what you brought to us last week, or is it just that we have been able to have further conversations about separating the current immediate need to be able to pay folks well who work for us from the longer-term need to have a conversation about the, the operations of council operations?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 866.826, "end": 870.278, "text": "Yeah, substantively there should not be anything different than what we had discussed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 870.326, "end": 878.805, "text": "However, we did do some tightening of the language, but great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 879.078, "end": 883.287, "text": "And does this meet the needs of our Council Operations Director?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 883.431, "end": 888.876, "text": "I'm not in the room, but if you can solicit a nod or a thumbs up or thumbs down and let me know, that would be great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 889.133, "end": 890.788, "text": "We have a thumbs up from the back of the room.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 891.703, "end": 892.956, "text": "Okay, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 893.374, "end": 894.161, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 894.354, "end": 894.82, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 896.04, "end": 897.036, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 897.084, "end": 898.835, "text": "Could I have the Council Ops Director come up?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 900.501, "end": 904.901, "text": "And somebody from legal counsel or HR.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 908.994, "end": 910.253, "text": "We have our answer in the box.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 910.77, "end": 913.159, "text": "Yeah, so thank you for bringing this forward.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 913.272, "end": 923.932, "text": "I just, you know, adding this, this seems so, um, I don't know, I, I don't want to say that, but this is something that should be discussed on its own.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 924.84, "end": 927.798, "text": "Adding this to the TAO has nothing to do with the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 928.762, "end": 931.413, "text": "I mean, it really literally has nothing to do with the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 932.602, "end": 936.008, "text": "And from what I was told— thank you, thank you for coming up, Director.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 936.859, "end": 965.015, "text": "Um, what I was told that— and this is the second request that I've had in the last month from Council Operations to change how people were being paid, their 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"speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-127", "start": 1029.689, "end": 1034.828, "text": "So they don't know that they have the ability to get a merit raise, because this is what this is about.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 1035.294, "end": 1038.635, "text": "This is about giving you the ability to give a merit raise.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 1039.069, "end": 1043.983, "text": "They already get COLAs, and that's— they've done that for the last 2 years.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 1044.369, "end": 1055.387, "text": "But you want to be able to give merit raises and, and raise people's salary against the other administrative folks, because when we got here, these folks were already hired.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 1056.718, "end": 1060.937, "text": "And we didn't have any, um, we didn't have any say in who we got.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 1062.091, "end": 1063.92, "text": "And that was done by design by Michael Jordan.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 1065.139, "end": 1066.566, "text": "And so he designed this whole thing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 1067.801, "end": 1079.509, "text": "And my issue is, and that's why council operations would need a union, so that if you came in at this level— but basically all of these folks came in at about $85,000 a year.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-135", "start": 1080.471, "end": 1084.449, "text": "And then some folks who were admits, they came in at $100,000.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-136", "start": 1084.497, "end": 1084.609, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-137", "start": 1085.21, "end": 1085.81, "text": "$110,000.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-138", "start": 1085.81, "end": 1085.81, "text": "$110,000.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-139", "start": 1085.81, "end": 1092.38, "text": "So it was just a— it was just whoever they felt like giving a raise or, or a larger salary.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-140", "start": 1092.49, "end": 1108.26, "text": "So now you have a discrepancy, and I understand your dilemma that some people who are doing the same job and they're admin, they're sitting at the front desk answering telephones, doing our schedules, some of those folks are making $20,000 more and you want to make them whole.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 1108.33, "end": 1119.383, "text": "And I get that, but but the way that looks, because those folks who are admins, some of those folks were making more than my staff members.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 1120.626, "end": 1123.338, "text": "And they knew what they were gonna make when 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"speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1205.52, "end": 1207, "text": "I don't.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1207, "end": 1209.8, "text": "So I'm feeling really uncomfortable about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1209.8, "end": 1214.779, "text": "But if that's what the council president says he wants to do and he has the votes for it, then he can.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1214.779, "end": 1224.74, "text": "But I'm just telling you, there are folks who are going to file a labor relations complaint against this because we are not waiting to have all of these things bargained.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1224.74, "end": 1226.72, "text": "That's why they got into a union.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1226.72, "end": 1228.84, "text": "And I know some of the people who you're hiring, they, they did not vote for it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1228.84, "end": 1229.02, "text": "Councilwoman Smith, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1230.652, "end": 1230.828, "text": "It.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1231.934, "end": 1233.039, "text": "But they have to understand.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1233.119, "end": 1240.315, "text": "And I— and, and if you're not telling people as you're hiring people, you need to tell them so that there's no expectation that they're going to get a merit raise.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1240.651, "end": 1243.279, "text": "They don't even know that they have the ability to get a merit raise.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1243.696, "end": 1250.843, "text": "I haven't even had a COLA for the last 2 cycles, and baking costs just as much for me as it do my staff, and I'm tired of it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1252.029, "end": 1254.128, "text": "So I'm not mad at you, Dana.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1254.593, "end": 1264.188, "text": "I am just saying this is the second thing that you've brought forward in the last month that has something to do with— that has to be bargained.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1264.852, "end": 1269.015, "text": "And I don't feel— I don't, I don't want to go outside the process because we're going to get sued.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1269.515, "end": 1274.744, "text": "And this council has— we don't care about being sued.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1275.731, "end": 1277.557, "text": "That's why we're being sued about the mask bill.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1278.56, "end": 1281.551, "text": "Our legal counsel told us not to do it, and we did it anyway.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1281.615, "end": 1281.858, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1282.573, "end": 1292.408, "text": "So my thing is, if we get sued on this, you all are going to have this on your back, not mine, because I don't think we need to be doing this right now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1292.473, "end": 1298.19, "text": "And I think people are making a decent living, and you have a different pay scale than we have already.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1298.757, "end": 1304.888, "text": "So I'm not sure why this need to, to give people a raise, a merit raise, at this point is so important.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1306.56, "end": 1309.379, "text": "And Councilor, just to be clear, uh, Dana is not able to file legislation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1309.428, "end": 1311.416, "text": "I have brought— this is the second item that I have brought as Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1311.465, "end": 1311.938, "text": "Because she asked you for it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1313.04, "end": 1317.251, "text": "I work closely with all folks who report directly to me, and I am proud to sponsor this amendment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1317.348, "end": 1319.275, "text": "I'm glad, I'm glad she, she got you to do it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1319.324, "end": 1319.615, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1321.57, "end": 1321.775, "text": "Uh, thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1321.861, "end": 1322.392, "text": "I don't like it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1323.9, "end": 1324.174, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1324.821, "end": 1325.598, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1325.695, "end": 1326.277, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1328.121, "end": 1329.269, "text": "Uh, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1329.415, "end": 1333.038, "text": "Um, this is a perfectly appropriate place to file an amendment.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1333.135, "end": 1336.308, "text": "This is an appropriations ordinance.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1336.551, "end": 1338.235, "text": "This is the mid-year budget adjustment.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1338.522, "end": 1349.291, "text": "This is where we say here's how we spend our money, and when we do that, we put directives in there to provide clarity on how we can spend our money.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1349.371, "end": 1352.356, "text": "So there's no other place more appropriate than in the TAO.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1353.271, "end": 1366.004, "text": "Um, I will also note that, uh, you can give your staff merit raises right now, so you can just check the rules and just get up to speed on what the rules are.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1366.375, "end": 1368.068, "text": "They're in the middle of negotiating a contract.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1368.116, "end": 1369.551, "text": "That doesn't mean you wait forever on that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1370.69, "end": 1378.932, "text": "Um, so it's really appropriate that we give a director the ability to manage their salaries like we do everyone else.", "speaker": "Mitch 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"end": 1405.473, "text": "I'm sorry to get back in the queue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1405.618, "end": 1407.715, "text": "I thought we were just on technical questions previously.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1409.885, "end": 1416.176, "text": "You know, we just heard a lot about raises and who should get them and who shouldn't.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1417.911, "end": 1423.596, "text": "When folks don't have a union, They don't always have step increases.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1423.854, "end": 1432.879, "text": "And generally there are 2 types of raises folks in a union, in a public sector environment get, those COLAs and step increases.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 1433.623, "end": 1440.116, "text": "And our staff within council, both our personal staff and council operations, don't have defined steps right now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1440.922, "end": 1450.181, "text": "So a, a raise like this is the only way To acknowledge increased experience and good work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1451.129, "end": 1452.622, "text": "Unionized staff have the steps.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1453.039, "end": 1453.762, "text": "These folks don't.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1454.34, "end": 1457.551, "text": "We have the ability to give these same raises to our personal staff.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1458.113, "end": 1469.16, "text": "I believe we actually got permission from the union that our folks are working, working with to form their own staff union to continue to give those raises until the contract is signed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1469.834, "end": 1479.612, "text": "It's a really important step during Uh, the bargaining of a first contract to get that permission so that you don't get an unfair labor practice filed against you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1479.773, "end": 1485.618, "text": "And I personally asked if we had that permission or not as I was looking at some changes on my team.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1485.714, "end": 1487.464, "text": "I was told that we did have that permission.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1488.219, "end": 1497.146, "text": "So we are in the clear with our union, and we are not doing anything different from the equivalent of what we can do.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1501.964, "end": 1517.88, "text": "I know that some of the council ops positions are tricky because our director is their boss, our council operations director is their boss, but we, meaning councilors and our chiefs, assign some of the work, the daily work, direct some of what they do day to day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1519.41, "end": 1523.083, "text": "But there are other members of council operations who are solely supervised by the city manager.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1523.148, "end": 1523.278, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1524.347, "end": 1545.712, "text": "I think that it's critical that we give a director the ability to provide raises, just like we have with our own personal staff, and just like or equivalent to, frankly, how these folks will ultimately be treated once we have bargained that first contract moving forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1547.874, "end": 1552.878, "text": "This move doesn't guarantee that anybody gets anything, but it means that these workers are treated as equivalently as possible.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1552.944, "end": 1553.157, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1555.516, "end": 1560.603, "text": "To other folks within the city and within our own personal offices.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1561.107, "end": 1561.367, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1561.513, "end": 1563.034, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1563.244, "end": 1563.839, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1565.482, "end": 1567.543, "text": "Thank you, uh, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1568.445, "end": 1575.604, "text": "You know, I really appreciate you pointing out the flaw in the, the code, um, that council operations isn't defined, and, and I think you mentioned 3.02.040.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1579.032, "end": 1590.384, "text": "Um, I'll also just I just continue to point out that B1B6 also requires the council president to ensure councilors confine themselves to the question under debate and refrain from personal criticism.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1590.464, "end": 1601.305, "text": "And I would love to see that equally enforced in this chamber because I don't think it's fair to criticize folks who are not the ones putting up something for what they have not put up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1601.914, "end": 1610.157, "text": "I appreciate you being here as a subject matter expert on this particular thing, Dana, and I really appreciate the work you do in general as well, of course.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1610.863, "end": 1611.135, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1613.13, "end": 1619.649, "text": "With relation to— Actually, before I get into the merit of this, I just need to correct a gross misstatement of fact here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1621.089, "end": 1632.821, "text": "While some may have different levels of risk tolerance to being sued, it is not true to say that we were told by lawyers not to do the mask conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1633.256, "end": 1640.903, "text": "We all have memos in our inboxes, and we can hide behind the fact that they're attorney-client privileged and just categorically lie about them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1641.526, "end": 1642.41, "text": "Or we can read them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1642.811, "end": 1647.181, "text": "And I'd encourage everyone to go look back at the email from March 16th with the first version of it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1647.261, "end": 1658.779, "text": "I don't have the date for the second version of it after the revisions were made, but please read the memos once again from our attorneys before categorizing or miscategorizing that particular piece of legislation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1659.357, "end": 1664.53, "text": "More broadly, of course, I don't believe we should comply in advance with an out-of-control federal government, and I still don't believe that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1664.835, "end": 1674.334, "text": "Getting back to this amendment, I think the— my main I think concern remained, was addressed by the question I asked earlier.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1674.767, "end": 1691.839, "text": "I do think that not only does that mean that it is appropriate to put into the fall technical adjustment ordinance if we so choose to do it, but also that it allows for us to have a broader conversation about this council operations team and what the powers of the director are, as well as the council president.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1692.256, "end": 1703.867, "text": "I will say that, you know, what it says in the text, and I appreciate you and your team, council president, writing this in here, is that it still remains as an amount as determined appropriate by the Council Operations Manager.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1704.205, "end": 1706.661, "text": "And so it's still discretion being applied to it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1707.079, "end": 1713.919, "text": "And I think I share some of what Councilor Smith was sharing in terms of concern around how the team was originally made up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1714.465, "end": 1715.894, "text": "I've expressed that several times.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1715.942, "end": 1729.936, "text": "I don't need to remention it, but also around not being 100% sure last year in particular how much direct oversight exposure leadership had to the folks that are embedded.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1730.753, "end": 1735.496, "text": "And again, we're very fortunate in D2 that we have someone who's very great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 1736.297, "end": 1741.265, "text": "But I also just, in terms of a systemic process, just wanting to understand that piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 1741.586, "end": 1751.649, "text": "But I think the way that you've written it in here ensures that there is someone who's responsible for doing that and that that person remains the council operations manager because I don't actually supervise our District 2 admin.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 1751.697, "end": 1751.745, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 1753.431, "end": 1760.833, "text": "And so it would be, you know, I think that's a relevant thing, especially as we're talking about how we treat our employees in here, in this building.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1761.333, "end": 1771.063, "text": "I deal with my own staff, and I'm very grateful to be served by a very good District 2 admin, of course.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1771.192, "end": 1775.226, "text": "But I think that you've kind of addressed the structural problem, and I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1775.306, "end": 1780.645, "text": "So I'm less uncomfortable with it than I was when it was described verbally and now able to be supportive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1780.757, "end": 1781.078, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1781.382, "end": 1782.248, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1782.601, "end": 1783.739, "text": "Colleagues, I put myself in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1784.364, "end": 1792.908, "text": "I will just affirm that, uh, what much of what has been said, that we work directly with the attorneys to verify that, uh, this is legally allowable.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1793.02, "end": 1802.141, "text": "We have, uh, had conversations on this dais about the pay spectrum and the pay range that we give to our, uh, member— our individual staff.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1802.622, "end": 1813.002, "text": "Um, I want to make sure that my staff are as well paid as, uh, they need to be for the job that they are providing, and that gives me my discretion to be able to do that, and I am deeply appreciative.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1813.114, "end": 1819.441, "text": "There have been other councilors on this dais who have been vehement about their ability to pay less than the pay scale that is made available to them.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1820.246, "end": 1824.982, "text": "As a councilor, certainly anybody's individual right to determine how to spend their budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1825.417, "end": 1841.589, "text": "Within this current structure, with the vagueness that I have already laid out about the role of council operations and the authority there, this feels like an affirmative step forward in the right direction to reward good work from really highly qualified professionals, both at our front desks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1842.697, "end": 1845.475, "text": "Deeply appreciate my District 1 admin.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1846.053, "end": 1851.576, "text": "David's doing a great job, but also our council committee staff who are doing phenomenal job going above and beyond.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1851.624, "end": 1856.987, "text": "So I am— this is the— and lastly, this is a technical adjustment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1857.629, "end": 1866.438, "text": "This is a technical adjustment to pre-appro— to already appropriated levels of this is the exact right place for this conversation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1866.89, "end": 1868.812, "text": "So, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1871.027, "end": 1872.079, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1873.438, "end": 1881.627, "text": "I would describe this item so far as awkward, and I didn't expect it to be, but that's what happened.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1883.13, "end": 1887.304, "text": "I don't like to hear people talk about how someone's doing on the job.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1888.609, "end": 1892.766, "text": "Council Chambers meeting, so it started to feel like a different type of meeting.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1893.344, "end": 1909.184, "text": "Um, I believe you that you worked with legal, but it would be helpful to have legal say something, um, because I thought Councilor Smith brought up some really good points about what almost feel like we're shoehorning something in that, that is part of a bigger system.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1909.745, "end": 1919.193, "text": "I think all of us at the tip of our tongue want to talk about how we're building Council operations, and I think we have the right people here to do that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1919.468, "end": 1924.809, "text": "But I would like to hear from legal, um, out loud in this meeting since it's been brought up.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1925.918, "end": 1928.955, "text": "Uh, City Attorney Porter, do we know if, uh, Heidi Brown is available?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1929.212, "end": 1930.288, "text": "Have we heard if she's—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1931.542, "end": 1933.835, "text": "I've reached out to her and I'm waiting to hear back.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 1933.899, "end": 1934.985, "text": "I'm following up right now.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 1936.347, "end": 1942.373, "text": "Okay, well, I think that is a reasonable request to have our attorney come?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 1942.469, "end": 1943.238, "text": "Well, I'd want to go there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 1943.351, "end": 1947.086, "text": "I was just going with the flow until I listened to the conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 1947.518, "end": 1954.251, "text": "So, okay, well, uh, and I don't want to talk about personally about anyone that's on Council Operations right now.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 1954.347, "end": 1960.631, "text": "I just want to hear something, someone to validate that, because I got into a place of confusion and doubt.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 1960.935, "end": 1962.602, "text": "Okay, I think that's absolutely reasonable.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 1963.147, "end": 1965.312, "text": "Um, can we just table until we hear from—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 1965.312, "end": 1969.944, "text": "I think what we will do is go on a brief recess until a city attorney is able to be here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 1970.025, "end": 1972.216, "text": "And so I'm going to give us a 5-minute recess.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 1972.459, "end": 1972.703, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 1973.417, "end": 1973.611, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2349.444, "end": 2351.627, "text": "All right, welcome back everybody.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2351.773, "end": 2360.755, "text": "Thank you all for your patience as we, uh, frantically got our amazing city attorneys folks to come down and interrupt whatever important thing they were doing.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2361.436, "end": 2362.254, "text": "Heidi Brown, welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2363.136, "end": 2366.295, "text": "We have a specific question from Councilor Ryan, but more—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2366.727, "end": 2367.417, "text": "He's good for doing it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2367.69, "end": 2368.395, "text": "I'm happy to answer it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2368.507, "end": 2369.838, "text": "Yeah, I'll have to ask the question specifically.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2370.496, "end": 2381.736, "text": "Are we legally allowed to give merit increases to our staff in this current moment, knowing that there is a pending organization effort by some of our staff?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2383.163, "end": 2383.724, "text": "Oh yes.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2383.965, "end": 2386.193, "text": "So good afternoon, Council President, Councilors.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2386.29, "end": 2388.759, "text": "Heidi Brown, Chief Deputy City Attorney.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2390.541, "end": 2390.719, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2390.783, "end": 2401.79, "text": "So if the question is about are you allowed to give merit increases despite the fact that staff is currently unionized, the answer is yes, because we are in status quo.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2402.644, "end": 2414.755, "text": "And right now, status quo is that council sets the amount of merit that you provide to council staff.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2418.924, "end": 2446.441, "text": "So, yeah, so you had— so just to be clear, so you— council had previously, while they were, while they were in their organizing process, you had already authorized merit, um, for, for all non-reps, which at that point council staff were considered within that bucket under the status quo provision of being in the unionization effort, but without a collective bargaining agreement yet.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2447.13, "end": 2455.03, "text": "And so then you authorized merit of 2% up to $100,000.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2455.399, "end": 2458.347, "text": "So this would— so that's already been allowed.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2458.828, "end": 2461.007, "text": "And similarly, this would be allowed.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2461.055, "end": 2479.695, "text": "This would remove that cap, in other words, and allow the council ops manager to set with approval from the council president to set that merit increase at whatever amount is deemed appropriate within their budget appropriations that currently exist.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2479.839, "end": 2480.69, "text": "Thank you, Heidi.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2481.524, "end": 2483.531, "text": "Councilor Ryan, do you have any further follow-up?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2484.333, "end": 2486.259, "text": "No, and thank you, council president, for setting this up.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2486.355, "end": 2489.598, "text": "I thought this needed to be on the public record based on what we were discussing.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2490.095, "end": 2490.641, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2491.78, "end": 2492.246, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2492.599, "end": 2493.979, "text": "Thank you, council president.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2494.605, "end": 2494.99, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2495.038, "end": 2496.595, "text": "So now we're getting to the meat of this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2497.006, "end": 2498.064, "text": "I see what this is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2500.22, "end": 2509.323, "text": "Council Operations has the ability to give a merit increase that we already pre-gave in the budget to 2%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2509.969, "end": 2514.294, "text": "What they're asking for is to go above and beyond the 2%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2514.568, "end": 2516.779, "text": "That's what this is about.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2516.988, "end": 2518.326, "text": "That wasn't explained properly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2519.084, "end": 2525.61, "text": "Well, this would just— you already approved it up to 2% for $100,000, up to $100,000 for 2%.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2526.062, "end": 2526.542, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2527.023, "end": 2538.799, "text": "This would just allow, if the council ops manager, in collaboration with approval of the council president, would allow that merit, um, to be above that.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2539.28, "end": 2542.788, "text": "Because this was what I said, they want to give more than the 2%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2543.205, "end": 2548.748, "text": "They already have permission to give 2%, which they should give, and they should wait.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2548.812, "end": 2553.587, "text": "So let me ask you this question: is this going to cause us to have some issues?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2553.699, "end": 2556.794, "text": "Because I'm seeing a pattern here with um, with Council Ops.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2557.709, "end": 2569.954, "text": "They keep coming back asking for individual upgrades so that individual people can get, um, additional merit, additional classifications that's giving them $20,000 raises.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2570.452, "end": 2574.48, "text": "And I'm telling you, I'm not with that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2574.641, "end": 2577.722, "text": "So if we're going to put something forward, we need to tell the real story.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2577.77, "end": 2584.92, "text": "So the real story is they do have the ability to give a 2% increase plus their additional 3.5% COLA.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2585.709, "end": 2590.952, "text": "So where are they getting all this extra money from to give all these merit raises beyond 2%?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2591.756, "end": 2594.41, "text": "They only had enough money to give up to 2%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2594.796, "end": 2596.228, "text": "So where are they getting the extra money from?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2598.616, "end": 2608.228, "text": "My understanding is that any money beyond— and just to be clear, it's, it's the— they were subject to the caps that all of us non-reps were subject to.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2608.31, "end": 2613.89, "text": "So it was COLA Uh, full COLA but up to $100,000, right?", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2613.89, "end": 2623.49, "text": "Anything that— if you had an employee who earned more than $100,000, they wouldn't get that COLA above $100,000.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2623.49, "end": 2632.51, "text": "Similarly, you offered, uh, you allowed for and authorized previously the merit of 2% up to that $100,000.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2632.51, "end": 2634.77, "text": "So it's only the 2% that goes—.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2634.77, "end": 2634.93, "text": "That would go—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2634.93, "end": 2645.66, "text": "So they want to be able to give the people who make who already make over $100,000 an additional 2% for the rest of their money, and no one else in the city is getting that as well?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2645.772, "end": 2647.234, "text": "How can you justify that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2647.958, "end": 2654.979, "text": "Well, that part I can't answer, but I would— in it, you did ask another question before about how would they afford it, and—.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2655.172, "end": 2655.638, "text": "Right, but—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2655.831, "end": 2657.791, "text": "This would be within their current budget appropriations.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2657.839, "end": 2660.86, "text": "This is a bait— it's not you, um, Attorney Heidi.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2661.695, "end": 2663.029, "text": "This is a bait and switch.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2663.768, "end": 2667.606, "text": "It was billed as, oh, we can't give our people a merit raise.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2668.281, "end": 2677.917, "text": "It wasn't like, oh, we give— we can only give a 2% merit, but we want to give more than the 2% merit, more than what the moratorium is, and everybody else is not getting it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2678.639, "end": 2686.429, "text": "And so, and I get that, that we're in the legislative— we are in the legislative piece, and then the executive piece, the bureaus can do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2687.135, "end": 2697.026, "text": "But I have a real problem because I'm glad you explained that, because the last conversation me and you had, You told us that we could not raise our, um, our, our staff salary.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2697.749, "end": 2698.664, "text": "That's what you told me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2699.659, "end": 2704.25, "text": "That was before we had the union, um, figured out.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2704.411, "end": 2704.635, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2704.796, "end": 2712.485, "text": "And then once we had the union figured out, you all were free within your own budgets to give your own staff merit increases.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2712.662, "end": 2717.477, "text": "And you don't have that cap, um, because you use your individual budgets.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2717.558, "end": 2719.869, "text": "Council Ops is in a different situation, right?", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2720.224, "end": 2724.258, "text": "In that you all authorize as a council in its entirety.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2724.338, "end": 2725.403, "text": "As a council operation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2725.468, "end": 2725.726, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2725.936, "end": 2732.112, "text": "And it would've been great if we could have had another— I don't remember executive session telling us that we can do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2732.305, "end": 2742.977, "text": "And I heard Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney say that we got something from CWA that said it's okay for us to give raises.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2744.711, "end": 2745.783, "text": "Did they send that to you?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2747.097, "end": 2747.914, "text": "I haven't seen it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2749.18, "end": 2753.026, "text": "Councilor, I'll make sure you get whatever that— yes, and this is important between them.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2753.106, "end": 2753.875, "text": "You should have gotten that.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2754.083, "end": 2754.932, "text": "This is important.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2755.109, "end": 2762.688, "text": "I don't know that I didn't get it, but I don't remember it, and it should have been put a part of the exhibit if that's what was going to happen.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2763.297, "end": 2767.815, "text": "But, you know, this happens every single time, um, Heidi, and it's, it's not fair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2768.488, "end": 2775.252, "text": "You, you do something at the, at the dais a week ago and say, oh, I want to do this, Because they need a raise.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2775.316, "end": 2779.23, "text": "Well, they already have the ability to get a 2% raise, and they've been getting a COLA.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2779.648, "end": 2781.509, "text": "So folks is not starving around here.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2782.198, "end": 2787.781, "text": "And I just want to know how we are paying for these things that we're not budgeted for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2788.391, "end": 2790.332, "text": "They're not budgeted for past 2%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2790.781, "end": 2791.439, "text": "So I don't know.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2791.519, "end": 2795.835, "text": "That's a, that's a whole nother issue that the council president— he's the presiding officer.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2795.915, "end": 2798.225, "text": "He has to make sure that they're within their budget, I guess.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2798.883, "end": 2801.339, "text": "But, um, I, I am just concerned.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2801.452, "end": 2809.819, "text": "I didn't want to break any labor rules, and I'm glad you were able to come up here and kind of explain what it was that they're trying to do.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2811.008, "end": 2811.425, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2811.666, "end": 2812.453, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Dana (Council Operations Manager) / Heidi Brown (Chief Deputy City Attorney) / Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2813.112, "end": 2813.963, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2814.14, "end": 2814.67, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2815.441, "end": 2815.697, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2815.762, "end": 2821.592, "text": "It's my understanding that there's vacancy savings in council operations because we have not every position filled.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 2821.688, "end": 2824.884, "text": "We budgeted for every position that exists, and those—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 2824.98, "end": 2826.265, "text": "Council President, did you follow him?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 2826.618, "end": 2826.843, "text": "I did.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 2827.164, "end": 2830.293, "text": "Okay, please continue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 2830.839, "end": 2831.111, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 2832.042, "end": 2838.012, "text": "Uh, it's my understanding there's vacancy savings because we budgeted for all the positions for a full year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2838.076, "end": 2850.689, "text": "So if any of the positions are vacant for a period of time, that money remains in the personnel major object category and then is available for use on other personnel-related items if this amendment should pass.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2850.737, "end": 2855.31, "text": "And that's my understanding as to why it wouldn't exceed the existing appropriation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2855.424, "end": 2856.75, "text": "Can someone verify that?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2866.788, "end": 2877.35, "text": "Yeah, my understanding is that they have enough projected vacancy savings to cover the raises they've indicated they would make if this amendment passed.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2877.82, "end": 2879.717, "text": "Great, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2879.782, "end": 2887.965, "text": "And while I am very, very interested in ensuring that all those positions get filled, and I'm— I wish that they were already filled, in particular the one related to engagement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2888.514, "end": 2895.618, "text": "Um, while they are not filled and they are creating vacancy savings, I think that's an appropriate conversation to have as to where, um, it goes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2896.364, "end": 2897.825, "text": "Um, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2898.346, "end": 2899.297, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2900.698, "end": 2902.389, "text": "Councilor Smith, last word, and then we're going to move to the vote.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2902.55, "end": 2907.435, "text": "Okay, I would like to know what raises are they planning to give and for how much.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2908.846, "end": 2918.588, "text": "Until that authority has been granted, uh, that will come at My— with my approval, and I have not, uh, since there's no authority to even begin contemplating it, uh, that has not happened.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2918.846, "end": 2926.836, "text": "It sounded like Budget Director Levine has requests in the queue, or did I misunderstand what you said?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2926.884, "end": 2928.173, "text": "She is shaking her head no.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2929.615, "end": 2931.143, "text": "I don't— okay, I don't see her.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2931.931, "end": 2947.17, "text": "Um, but if she does have some requests, and when we do get the request, since some of these people are under our purview, I want to know what you're giving them and without getting any input from me, who I actually supervise every day.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2948.044, "end": 2948.935, "text": "And that is a problem.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2952.99, "end": 2956.138, "text": "Okay, uh, Councilor Knoll, very briefly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2956.186, "end": 2957.574, "text": "It's just a request for information.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2958.269, "end": 2962.533, "text": "Does anybody in the Council Operations Program report to Councilor Smith?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2964.008, "end": 2966.568, "text": "And this is a formal request for information under Robert's Rules.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2971.46, "end": 2972.375, "text": "Structurally, no.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2972.841, "end": 2973.42, "text": "Great, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2973.565, "end": 2980.538, "text": "Council Operations does not report directly to— they work with councilors, but they do not directly report to any of the individual councilors.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2982.502, "end": 2984.912, "text": "Uh, Councilor Clark, truly last word, and then we're moving to a vote.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2985.009, "end": 2987.13, "text": "I, I thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2987.242, "end": 2988.705, "text": "I'm sorry, I'm home sick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2988.785, "end": 2994.31, "text": "I'm trying to follow this, and I just wanted to ask one last question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2994.375, "end": 3002.862, "text": "So Is it true then that, uh, Council Operations Director cannot give a merit increase beyond the 2% now?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3003.232, "end": 3004.516, "text": "Is that what we're talking about?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3004.757, "end": 3004.95, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3006.186, "end": 3012.384, "text": "Okay, so this would allow whoever is Council Ops Director to go over the 2%?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 3013.203, "end": 3014.439, "text": "For this year only.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 3015.194, "end": 3016.045, "text": "For this year only.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3016.382, "end": 3019.802, "text": "This is for the current appropriations from the '26-'27 budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 3021.554, "end": 3022.822, "text": "Okay, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 3026.04, "end": 3026.816, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 3027.56, "end": 3029.377, "text": "Keelan, can we please call the roll on Dunphy 1?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 3032.519, "end": 3035.006, "text": "Moved by Dunphy, seconded by Avalos.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 3035.28, "end": 3035.587, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 3036.636, "end": 3036.653, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 3037.46, "end": 3037.67, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3038.332, "end": 3038.461, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3039.01, "end": 3039.446, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3039.785, "end": 3040.285, "text": "Uh, absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3040.366, "end": 3040.657, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3041.323, "end": 3041.372, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3042.009, "end": 3042.287, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3042.876, "end": 3043.121, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3043.791, "end": 3043.922, "text": "Nall?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3044.592, "end": 3044.641, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3045.262, "end": 3045.638, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3046.846, "end": 3046.927, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3047.735, "end": 3047.784, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3048.479, "end": 3048.624, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3049.595, "end": 3053.281, "text": "Murillo, absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3053.33, "end": 3053.67, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3055.41, "end": 3055.442, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3055.83, "end": 3055.927, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3056.655, "end": 3060.619, "text": "The amendment is approved with a vote of 9 ayes, 1 nay, and 2 absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3060.942, "end": 3061.719, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3062.39, "end": 3064.866, "text": "That was the only amendment that I saw pre-filed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3064.93, "end": 3073.826, "text": "Colleagues, are there any other amendments or conversation or discussion on the underlying— now amended underlying Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3074.419, "end": 3081.091, "text": "I just wanted to thank the staff for clarifying on all my questions that I had on, I think, 6 different decision packages throughout it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3081.14, "end": 3082.663, "text": "CBO was really helpful for me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3082.76, "end": 3087.106, "text": "I think we do need to tighten up on the way things are described.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3087.235, "end": 3092.431, "text": "There was one that talked about 2 new TIF districts that does not actually create or authorize the creation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3092.479, "end": 3094.998, "text": "It refers to TIF districts we already created.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3096.153, "end": 3099.745, "text": "But I just wanted to express appreciation for that clarification and the quickness of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3100.531, "end": 3102.207, "text": "That number of responses that I asked for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3102.321, "end": 3102.565, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3102.727, "end": 3103.834, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3104.175, "end": 3106.873, "text": "Uh, Councilor Clark, just verifying, is that a legacy hand or—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3110.116, "end": 3110.846, "text": "Sorry, legacy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3111.024, "end": 3111.981, "text": "Okay, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3113.197, "end": 3116.02, "text": "Colleagues, is there any further discussion of these 2 items?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3117.786, "end": 3126.792, "text": "Seeing no one, then document 2026-366 is passed to a second reading and document 2026-368 is passed to a second reading as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3127.69, "end": 3129.63, "text": "Keelan, can we please call our last item for the day?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3130.656, "end": 3138.176, "text": "Item 13, document 2026-367, adopt the budget calendar for FY 2027 through '28.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3139.555, "end": 3140.469, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3140.517, "end": 3151.115, "text": "This came out of the— this is our budget calendar, which came out of the, uh, Committee of the Whole conversation that we brought along with our TAO conversation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3151.901, "end": 3153.969, "text": "Um, are we doing a committee staff summary report on this one?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3156.435, "end": 3158.144, "text": "I'm seeing head shaking.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3158.209, "end": 3160.048, "text": "So no, we're not doing a staff summary report.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3162.578, "end": 3169.829, "text": "I, however, as discussed last time, colleagues, I have an amendment for this item and this Dunphy 1, which has been pre-filed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3170.69, "end": 3177.42, "text": "This amendment adjusts the exhibits in the ways that we were— that were asked for in committee and a few tweaks to help with readability.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3177.484, "end": 3181.813, "text": "So we have moved the budget hearings to accommodate the second night of Passover.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3181.864, "end": 3181.982, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3182.567, "end": 3185.474, "text": "We have added Thanksgiving break back to this calendar.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3186.1, "end": 3195.316, "text": "We changed up the names of our committees to more generic names for the committee blocks in case the next council president decides to change the scale or scope of those committees.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3195.91, "end": 3200.679, "text": "And we have added explanatory text for why the non-standard meeting times happen when they do.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3201.353, "end": 3205.528, "text": "Hopefully this resolves the questions raised and gets our roadmap to where it needs to be.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" 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"cue-503", "start": 3225.96, "end": 3226.281, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3226.617, "end": 3227.354, "text": "Just a question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3227.402, "end": 3231.279, "text": "So the changes made to Exhibit A make sense to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3231.664, "end": 3235.365, "text": "The changes made to Exhibit B below that first table all make sense to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3235.413, "end": 3237.159, "text": "I just had a question about the first table.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3237.352, "end": 3237.576, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3237.753, "end": 3241.585, "text": "And just, it implies that that's relevant to the budget calendar.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3241.682, "end": 3249.267, "text": "Was the 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"cue-517", "start": 3266.009, "end": 3266.961, "text": "Essentially, it's just—.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3266.961, "end": 3267.978, "text": "Introduce yourself for the record, please.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3268.252, "end": 3269.075, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3269.123, "end": 3271.64, "text": "My name is Evan Jindal, Policy Director for Council President.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3272.292, "end": 3279.649, "text": "These are included here because we have budget activities that are happening in the January, February area.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3280.117, "end": 3285.414, "text": "So for information about the flow of the year, they're just included as a tentative orientation.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3286.012, "end": 3287.935, "text": "It's really just to 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3309.123, "end": 3309.84, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3312.678, "end": 3315.808, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on Dunphy 1?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3316.736, "end": 3324.203, "text": "Yeah, moved by Dunphy, seconded by Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3324.461, "end": 3324.735, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3325.913, "end": 3325.961, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3327.768, "end": 3327.865, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3329.462, "end": 3329.478, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3331.06, "end": 3332.351, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3333.191, "end": 3333.32, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3335.839, "end": 3336.049, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3336.728, "end": 3336.776, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3337.6, "end": 3340.128, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3341.205, "end": 3341.384, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3344.632, "end": 3344.84, "text": "Ryan?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3345.82, "end": 3345.916, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3346.317, "end": 3347.008, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3348.148, "end": 3348.196, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3348.887, "end": 3349.352, "text": "Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3349.754, "end": 3351.054, "text": "Oh, sorry, absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3351.134, "end": 3351.536, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3351.841, "end": 3351.969, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3352.58, "end": 3352.917, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3353.286, "end": 3353.334, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3354.827, "end": 3359.885, "text": "The amendment is approved with a vote of 9 ayes, 1 nay, and 2 absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3360.351, "end": 3361.266, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3361.33, "end": 3365.232, "text": "We are now into discussion of the now amended underlying resolution.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": 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"text": "As with all this, if there is a major change to the budget calendar in the future, another conforming ordinance would also— could also be passed at that point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3408.794, "end": 3417.407, "text": "So I'm interested just to hear from colleagues if there is a level of comfort of including that as a consent item.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3420.974, "end": 3421.938, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3422.147, "end": 3423.336, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3423.77, "end": 3432.658, "text": "I'm just concerned that you're taking some of the powers away from the incoming president that would normally be done So that is my— that's my issue with this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3433.107, "end": 3434.809, "text": "And I, I don't like it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3435.354, "end": 3439.913, "text": "And I think that, um, we should keep it as it has been.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3440.571, "end": 3447.248, "text": "And it's going to be too much to change when the new person comes in, when they've been able to, to change things like you did.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3447.312, "end": 3452.384, "text": "You changed everything from the way Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney did things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3452.689, "end": 3463.639, "text": "And now you're setting it up where the new person already has a standard set of way of, of doing the committee hearings, the our meetings, and now we have to change everything.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3463.783, "end": 3471.865, "text": "And if the new president wants to come in and change something because you all have voted for it, then they will be outnumbered again.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3472.235, "end": 3481.667, "text": "So it just seems like it's too early to be doing this, and I just— I, I think that you're taking some of the powers away from the new leadership when they come in.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3482.021, "end": 3482.342, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3482.824, "end": 3483.595, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3484.174, "end": 3486.616, "text": "Um, Evan, could you, could you speak to some of that also?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3486.825, "end": 3489.078, "text": "Um, Actually, yeah.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3489.817, "end": 3492.195, "text": "Sure, happy to speak to this.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3493.127, "end": 3498.864, "text": "So in code, committee meetings happen on Wednesday mornings, and if there's a recessed meeting, it happens on a Thursday afternoon.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3500.462, "end": 3517.456, "text": "If we adopt this calendar as set, for example, having a hearing in which we hear the testimony on the city and PROSPER budgets on a Friday for Passover, we need to pass an ordinance that moves the actual council meeting to that date.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3519.216, "end": 3523.611, "text": "So this ordinance, if the council president moved it, would essentially true those things up.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3523.724, "end": 3527.004, "text": "So the resolution is sort of done and baked.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3528.408, "end": 3536.768, "text": "If a new council president wanted to change the calendar, you could just package together a new resolution and a new conforming ordinance, pass those together.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3538.332, "end": 3545.492, "text": "Ultimately, the purpose of this of this action is to provide a roadmap that exists if somebody steps into the breach.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3546.617, "end": 3547.79, "text": "It is all subject to change.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3549.268, "end": 3551.196, "text": "Council President, can I ask them a question?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3551.678, "end": 3557.14, "text": "So you're going to move council meetings to a Friday as opposed to Wednesday?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3557.285, "end": 3566.635, "text": "Yeah, one of the items in here is an amendment to move one of the items during Passover to a Friday because Wednesday is the first night of Passover and Thursday is the second night of Passover.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3566.683, "end": 3570.652, "text": "We heard from Councilor Pirtle-Guiney that the Thursday would be unworkable for her schedule.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3570.717, "end": 3574.831, "text": "And so the proposal in this amendment is to remove— to move that date to a Friday.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3575.297, "end": 3576.117, "text": "Because of Passover?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3576.23, "end": 3576.359, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3576.828, "end": 3577.006, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3578.769, "end": 3585.9, "text": "The, uh, the, the council meetings relative to the budget are packaged within regular council meetings, so we do have to sort of say when they'll be.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3586.189, "end": 3588.231, "text": "But they still will remain on Wednesday?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3589.019, "end": 3590.433, "text": "Regular council meetings, yes.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3590.771, "end": 3595.169, "text": "But on, on that week where we need to have another one on Friday, you just I just need to say that, basically.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3595.557, "end": 3595.799, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3596.445, "end": 3596.687, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3596.768, "end": 3597.333, "text": "Thank you, Evan.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3597.494, "end": 3597.785, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Evan Jindal" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3598.382, "end": 3598.64, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3600.142, "end": 3600.852, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3602.58, "end": 3605.768, "text": "Thank you, Council President, and thank you for putting this together early.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3605.962, "end": 3628.268, "text": "I think having, um, something that we can use to place holds on our calendars, knowing that things may change when we elect our next council president, is really helpful for everybody to plan for, for us to plan for, for Portlanders to plan for, and for the administration to know what the deadlines might be.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3629.763, "end": 3654.878, "text": "When you talk about bringing forward an ordinance, I am assuming, but I want to make sure I'm not assuming incorrectly, that that would be the conforming ordinance that we have had to pass in the past that just says for these specific dates, the meeting will be at this different time instead, and that it wouldn't be anything broader than those specific one-off scenarios.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3655.135, "end": 3655.809, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3656.034, "end": 3656.95, "text": "That is the intention, yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3658.203, "end": 3662.556, "text": "Okay, if that's the case, then I'm comfortable with you bringing that forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3662.764, "end": 3674.474, "text": "Um, you asked for our feedback on this, um, so that we have things lined up and whoever is sitting in that chair in the middle of the dais next doesn't have to worry about cleanup work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3675.052, "end": 3688.143, "text": "Uh, though I, I do want us to all be ready for the that if the next person is weighing different variables and decides to adjust the calendar some, we would then need to pass another ordinance to make further adjustments.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3688.223, "end": 3695.66, "text": "But as long as everybody's comfortable with that potential future reality, I think having this all lined up is really helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3695.789, "end": 3703.996, "text": "And I appreciate you doing this forward-facing work to make sure that we're all prepared for next year because we don't know yet what that transition will look like.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3704.045, "end": 3704.141, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3704.607, "end": 3706.969, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3707.033, "end": 3707.563, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3709.347, "end": 3711.291, "text": "Uh, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3711.371, "end": 3729.815, "text": "Thanks for doing the hard work to kind of figure out how we can take, uh, the conversations that we've had over the last several months, frankly since the end of the last budget, that have been sort of, hey, this isn't working, how can we make it work better, and then build that into a formal proposal so the next council president can, can have a roadmap.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 3729.88, "end": 3739.583, "text": "That's really I think, I think it's entirely appropriate to set that stuff in motion now rather than wait for just the sake of waiting.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 3739.695, "end": 3741.236, "text": "I don't really understand that, that worry.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" 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"cue-625", "start": 3763.875, "end": 3764.486, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3764.92, "end": 3783.456, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to chime in to say that I too really appreciate that you're thinking ahead because I don't want to go into another year, one, wasting all of the time that we could be spending right now in the fall to actually talk about the next budget.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3783.916, "end": 3797.413, "text": "But 2, you know, we need to get to a place as a body where we have some basic standards and expectations of the budget calendar, of what to look forward to and where we're going to be participating in the budget process.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3797.879, "end": 3803.773, "text": "And I think you have laid out a plan that allows for that and also allows for flexibility.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 3804.353, "end": 3829.131, "text": "I think that it, again, we're just such a new body that it, you know, the idea of transitioning to another leader and them wanting to do something different, feels very new, and it is, but I, I really hope we can get to a place where some of the things that you've proposed become standard, because we have, um, agreements that no matter who the president is, we're going to commit to this level of, um, process and engagement for the budget, and we need to start building that in now.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 3829.227, "end": 3832.688, "text": "So I definitely plan to support it, and I would support the consent agenda item too.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 3832.913, "end": 3833.249, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 3833.377, "end": 3834.243, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 3834.66, "end": 3839.45, "text": "Uh, colleagues, I threw myself into the queue very quickly to say, um, just to add a technical just a technical clarifying note.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 3841.13, "end": 3851.671, "text": "We just passed Dunphy 1 as an amendment to this, which encompassed changes to both Exhibit A and Exhibit B, but unbeknownst to us, these were listed as separate amendments as a Dunphy 1 and 2.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 3851.896, "end": 3858.408, "text": "So just to be clear, I believe that we voted on both exhibits just now, but just confirming, was that everyone else's understanding?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 3859.5, "end": 3860.103, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 3860.477, "end": 3861.08, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 3861.357, "end": 3867.772, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues, for helping us really nail that yeah, great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 3868.238, "end": 3880.832, "text": "Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue to discuss either my technical note or to discuss the underlying— pausing for dramatic effect— great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 3881.446, "end": 3888.492, "text": "Keelan, can we please call the roll on the now amended item or resolution?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 3888.654, "end": 3888.799, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 3891.687, "end": 3892.094, "text": "Clerk.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 3892.972, "end": 3893.021, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 3894.127, "end": 3894.419, "text": "Green.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 3895.086, "end": 3895.216, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch 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"The resolution is adopted with a vote of 10 ayes and 2 absentees.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 3919.81, "end": 3920.312, "text": "Fantastic.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 3920.36, "end": 3921.623, "text": "Thank you so much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 3921.817, "end": 3924.084, "text": "That concludes our agenda for today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 3924.877, "end": 3926.69, "text": "Uh, with that, we are adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 3926.982, "end": 3927.386, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 3927.871, "end": 3932.908, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" } ] }