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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, all right, good afternoon.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I call this meeting of the Portland City Council Committee of the Whole to order.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It is October October 21st, 2026 at 2:01 PM.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Diego, will you please call the roll?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Good afternoon.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Zimmerman?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Present.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Ryan?

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<v Dan Ryan>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Christopher, will you please read the statement of conduct?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Good afternoon.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Welcome to the meeting of the Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole.

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<v Unidentified speaker>To testify before this committee in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the committee agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole or by calling 311.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Information on engaging with the committee can be found at this link.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Registration for virtual testimony Public testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.

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<v Unidentified speaker>In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard.

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<v Nancy Thorington>If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the Chair states otherwise.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Nancy Thorington>The Chair preserves order.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Nancy Thorington>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Further disruption results in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Your testimony address the matter being considered.

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<v Nancy Thorington>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent, and virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Christopher.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, today we have a pretty packed agenda with items that are primarily related to reports or resolutions that appoint people to various appointed bodies and commissions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We will have some folks here joining us for those, but obviously each staff present the presenter will let us know who is able to join us.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, following that, we do have an item which is a report back from a workgroup that was established to discuss the process by which City Council, um, elects its council leadership each January.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, that's designed to be a conversation starter.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's not designed to come up with any particular outcomes on the day, but enable those to be considered going into, uh, the fall and, and into January.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, with that, I'm going to ask if— Councilor Diego, if you could read item 1, please.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item 1, document number 2026-373, committee chair updates.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you all.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So the item is posted online.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There's copies being passed around.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The committee, or sorry, the chair update today, it's primarily making a lot of things that were possible into tentative or tentative into confirmed as we get closer to the end of the year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Most of the things that are left thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The things that are marked as tentative are just things that haven't been filed yet by the administration.

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<v Sameer Kanal>For example, the appointments on November 18th are effectively, we're being told, are locked in, just haven't yet been put through the filing process.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Couple dates moving up and down, things like that as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But this is pretty much our run for the rest of the year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We do have a little bit of flexibility built in in case somebody files something, but I would strongly advise colleagues who might have an item that is going to come to Committee of the Whole to file it it as soon as possible.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, on page 2, I've made it pretty clear now on here that, uh, anything that isn't yet on this agenda is probably going to get, um, sent to the future leadership of committees, this and others next year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I did get some, some additional items that were suggested, um, not necessarily ready for discussion, but which are, uh, eventually maybe things that, that either the administration or, or councilor may want at this committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I made sure to add those to that list so that future thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then I'm just trying to get more things figured out for the leadership requests and workgroups in terms of filing and being clear about what's being left.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I will note that Councilor Novick and I are the only 2 people listed on helping plan the oversight hearing on span of control and management layers.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We are getting a lot of assistance from the administration in that regard, but if there are any other councilors who'd like to be added to that, would love the support, and I'm sure I, I'll speak for Councilor Novick and say I'm sure he would too, uh, on helping go through what may be thousands of pages of records.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and then Councilor Clark is sick today, so I know she's online, but I think we're going to end up skipping unless there's anything, um, anyone wanted to add in terms of the, um, Public Works Committee, uh, coming up.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know if, um, not to put anybody on the spot, but if there was anything that anyone wanted to add on that before we okay, any questions?

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll just let people have a moment to get in the queue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So, Councilor Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Yeah, just, um, thank you, Chair.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, on oversight/public safety response times, uh, I am hoping that we can bring PPB, uh, back up, up in caps again in the next couple of months to see if we can get more thorough answers than we got before.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And, and on that subject, I, I think, um, if it's something that checks the— that sort of the discussion item in caps meets the need, then it doesn't have to be here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm happy to let the Committee on Community and Public Safety take the lead on that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>With that, um, and this— and Diego, if you could please read item 2.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item 2, document number 2026-370, reappoint Kim Lower and Craig Freeman to the Revenue Division Appeals Board.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Great, and we'll welcome up Selita Holt, uh, who will be leading our presentation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Please take it away.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Selita Holt>Perfect.

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<v Selita Holt>Hello, good afternoon.

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<v Selita Holt>I'm Selita Holt, the Audit and Accounting Manager with the Revenue Division.

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<v Selita Holt>The Revenue Division is seeking to fill 2 positions on the Revenue Division Appeal Board.

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<v Selita Holt>We refer to it as RDAB for short.

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<v Selita Holt>The Revenue Division administers various tax and fee programs on behalf of the City of Portland, Multnomah County, and Metro.

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<v Selita Holt>These taxes include the business and personal income taxes, transient lodging tax, utility license fee, clean energy surcharge, arts education tax, and other programs.

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<v Selita Holt>RDAB is a 5-member volunteer board comprised of members of the public that rule on appeals from tax filers who disagree with a Revenue Division determination.

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<v Selita Holt>Per Portland City Code Section 7.02-295, these positions are appointed by the mayor subject to approval by City Council.

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<v Selita Holt>Additionally, the code requires that RDAB appointments be made to candidates with the appropriate level of expertise in accounting methods and tax laws, which typically means that they would have a CPA license or a strong tax experience background.

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<v Selita Holt>2 Board member positions will expire on December 31st, 2026.

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<v Selita Holt>And we are seeking reappointment of 2 current occupants.

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<v Selita Holt>These positions serve 2 or 3-year terms with staggered end dates and are structured this way to fill the existing terms with little to no interruption.

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<v Selita Holt>These positions must also be approved by Multnomah County and Metro per intergovernmental agreement.

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<v Selita Holt>I'd like to introduce Kim Lohr and Craig Freeman.

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<v Selita Holt>Kim is a licensed CPA, formerly a state and local principal at Deloitte, and she more currently took on a position at Clark Neuberger.

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<v Selita Holt>Hi.

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<v Selita Holt>Kim has 30 years of experience in state and local taxation.

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<v Selita Holt>This board position required approval from Multnomah County, and they approved.

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<v Selita Holt>Craig is a licensed CPA, senior manager at Geffen Mesher, with more than 20 years of tax professional experience.

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<v Selita Holt>This board position also required approval from Metro, and they approved.

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<v Selita Holt>These 2 potential appointees meet the qualifications required by code.

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<v Selita Holt>They have previously and will continue to serve the public, the City of Portland, and our partner agencies well in any matters coming before the board.

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<v Selita Holt>As both candidates expressed interest in reappointment and both were also approved by Metro and/or Multnomah County, we did not recruit for these positions.

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<v Selita Holt>So thank you for your time.

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<v Selita Holt>I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

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<v Selita Holt>We also have Kim and Craig available online in case you have questions for them, but just a heads up, Kim may have to leave early.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, well, thank you, Selita, for being here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you to our current appointees for being willing to continue serving.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, if you'd like to get in the queue to ask any questions, you may.

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<v Sameer Kanal>While that's happening, is there any public testimony on this item?

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<v Unidentified speaker>No one has signed up.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>In terms of our current practice, both here and previous years, or last year I should say, for reappointees, we don't ask them to come give their introductory statement.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We only do that for new appointees, but they are available for questions and I appreciate that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm just gonna pause for dramatic effect to see if there are folks in the queue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, real quick question.

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<v Dan Ryan>Are these 2-year terms?

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<v Selita Holt>So one of them is 2 years.

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<v Selita Holt>So Craig's is a 2-year renewal and Kim is a 3-year.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>I just noticed they were different dates.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>And it's because they're filling in a—.

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<v Selita Holt>So yeah, we tried to stagger it so that we always have people that are currently appointed.

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<v Selita Holt>So yeah, so some of them have 2 years, some of them 3.

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<v Dan Ryan>The skill sets of these volunteers are perfect for this role.

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<v Selita Holt>Oh, most definitely.

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<v Dan Ryan>So great job in recruitment.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm next in the queue, and I'll just ask, because I think you kind of mentioned that generally if there's someone who wants to continue on, you wouldn't do a recruitment.

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<v Selita Holt>Correct.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But the fact that this is being reproposed means somebody, I'm guessing in the mayor's office and/or your offices, has made the determination that it is in that you would like to recommend retaining them as well?

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<v Selita Holt>Yes, yes.

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<v Selita Holt>So we first ask them if they want to renew.

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<v Selita Holt>If they agree, then yeah, we run it past the mayor's office, or I believe Jonas in this case, and then also our stakeholders.

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<v Selita Holt>So Multnomah County and Metro.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And did Metro and Multnomah County give their support for this at the time of their initial appointment only, or again now?

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<v Selita Holt>Again now.

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<v Selita Holt>So both times.

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<v Selita Holt>So anytime there's a reappointment or initial appointment, if it's for one of the Multnomah County or Metro-specific board positions, then yeah, they have to get their approval each time.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And this is probably not as relevant for this one, but it's helpful knowledge for me going into a later one today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is our process for the revenue for these 2 spots, which are through intergovernmental agreement, effectively that we are taking their Multnomah County and Metro's recommendation, or is it a joint appointment?

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<v Sameer Kanal>How would you describe the nature of that relationship?

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<v Selita Holt>So I would say it's joint.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If we first recommend them, but if Multnomah County or Metro, they have any concerns, then we would not go forward with it and proceed with the recruitment.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, great.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, seeing nobody else in the queue and there being no public testimony, I'll ask if Diego could please call the roll.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We do need a— wait, this is a report.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So we do need a motion to refer the report on to the full council with a do pass recommendation moved by Councilor Councilor Ryan, is there a second?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seconded by Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any further discussion?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing none, Diego, will you please call the roll?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Ryan?

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>With 10 ayes and 2 absent, the motion carries to refer the report, document number 2026-370, to City Council with the recommendation it be accepted.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Kim and Craig, for your willingness to serve.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Salida, for the presentation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And Diego, will you please call items Item 3.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item 3, document number 2026-355, reappoint member to the Cully Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committee and appoint new members to the 82nd Avenue Area and Sumner Parkrose Argay Columbia Corridor Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committees.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And we have with us Executive Director of Prosper Portland, Cornell Wesley.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And while he's coming up, I'll just say I think this might set the record for longest title of a document we have had so far.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for being here, Director Wesley.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Please take it away.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Well, good afternoon, councilors.

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<v Cornell Wesley>For the record, my name is Cornell Wesley, and I have the pleasure of serving as Executive Director of Prosper Portland.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I'm excited to share the work that Prosper Portland and the Portland Housing Bureau are doing in East Portland.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And to present for consideration here individuals who will support the ongoing work in each TIF district.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Now, as a brief outline of this presentation, I will provide an overview of the East Portland TIF districts in terms of their timelines and where they are in the action planning process, as well as the roles these CLCs play in priority setting and investment strategy.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I will then share about the CLC selection process and close it by introducing the nominees as you can see on the screen, this presentation is titled Fall 2026 Reappointments.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I point that out because I want to make sure you all note that our intention going forward is to bring TIF CLC appointments to you in groups quarterly rather than bringing forward appointments individually and separately.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Next slide.

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<v Cornell Wesley>On the screen is a map of the East Portland TIF district boundaries overlaid with the council district map.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The East Portland TIF districts span Council Districts 1, 2, and 3.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The actions for today are consideration of one Cully CLC reappointment and a new appointment to the 82nd Avenue CLC.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And one new appointment for the Space CLC.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Next slide.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I want to take a moment to reiterate how different the co-creation process is today compared to the process that led to the development of previous action plans.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The Cully co-creation model served as the blueprint for the other CLCs.

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<v Cornell Wesley>We have built on that model to create a more collaborative process to develop action plans that direct investment priorities.

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<v Cornell Wesley>With regards to the timeline on screen, you can see that each TIF district is on a different point in time.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Cully's district plan was adopted in late '22, and the inaugural CLC was appointed in '23.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The CLC then worked through the action planning process over the course of 2 years.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And in '26, Prosper Portland, the Portland Housing Bureau, and the Cully co-chairs presented the action plan for adoption to this council.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The Cully CLC has now moved into implementation and ongoing oversight.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The district plans for the 3 newer districts were adopted in '24, followed by the appointment of their inaugural CLCs in 2025.

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<v Cornell Wesley>All 3 CLCs are currently in the action planning process, and we anticipate bringing their action plans to council for consideration in '27.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Next slide.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Now, as you may recall, the district plan sets the long-term vision, goals, and guiding principles for the district.

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<v Cornell Wesley>It also establishes the framework for implementation and determines which projects are legally eligible for TIF resources.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The action plan builds on that foundation but looks at a shorter It's a co-created document that aligns with the overall 30-year district plan while identifying the priorities, investments, and outcomes for that 5-year period.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And because action plans are updated every 5 years until the district closes, we have an opportunity to respond to what's changing on the ground.

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<v Cornell Wesley>That means incorporating evolving community priorities, Lessons learned from previous investments and changing market conditions as we move forward.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The CLCs are intentionally structured to bring together a broad range of experiences and perspectives to help guide the work of each TIF district.

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<v Cornell Wesley>These members work in co-creation with Prosper Portland and PHB staff to advise decision makers, help set priorities and investments, and provide oversight as the district plan is implemented.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Thank you.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And what makes this model particularly valuable is the range of perspectives members bring to the table.

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<v Cornell Wesley>To be eligible to become a CLC member, a person must self-attest to live, work, worship, have children enrolled in school, or have been displaced from within their respective TIF district boundary.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Members are nominated by Prosper Portland and PHB through the mayor we also work to ensure that the CLCs reflect the diversity of the communities they represent, particularly populations that are disproportionately vulnerable to displacement.

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<v Cornell Wesley>And ultimately, it's important that members understand and support the stabilization and inclusive growth goals of their respective TIF plans so that the work stays grounded in the needs of the communities they represent.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Thank you.

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<v Cornell Wesley>In the priorities and values the community has called for.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Prosper Portland and the Portland Housing Bureau co-convened CLC evaluation committees to evaluate and ultimately recommend the 2 candidates to fill the vacancies for 82nd Avenue and Space.

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<v Cornell Wesley>An evaluation committee was not convened for the Cully District as they are reappointing a current CLC member.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Next slide.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Now we turn to highlighting the incredible individuals who have stepped up to volunteer for this important task.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I recognize the full biography and statement of interest is included in the council item, but I do want to provide a few brief highlights for each candidate.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I would like to introduce Renata, who is being recommended for appointment to the 82nd Avenue CLC.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Unfortunately, Renata could not join us today due to a previously scheduled and well-deserved vacation overseas.

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<v Cornell Wesley>However, I'd like to highlight her professional experience in planning and land use and her excitement to learning more about ways to support the 82nd Avenue community.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I'd like to provide context of where these nominations fit within the existing leadership committee.

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<v Cornell Wesley>As you can see, Renata will be filling a single vacancy on the 82nd Avenue CLC roster.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Our next candidate is Victor Rome III.

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<v Cornell Wesley>He is an attorney and a board member of the Columbia Corridor Association, an important stakeholder for the industrial sector within the district.

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<v Cornell Wesley>In his capacity as attorney, Victor has advised a number of TIF districts, and we look forward to having his insight next slide.

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<v Cornell Wesley>As with Renata, Victor is filling a single vacancy on the Space CLC roster.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I'm now pleased to reintroduce Sky Waters, who's also unable to join us this afternoon.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Sky has served on the CLC since its inception and wants to maintain the continuity to ensure the goals, community priorities, and funding allocations identified in the action plan are reflected in the investments during the implementation phase.

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<v Cornell Wesley>We thank Sky for his dedication to this work and his interest in a reappointment.

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<v Cornell Wesley>As you can see, Sky is being reappointed as part of Prosper Portland's set of nominees in Cully.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I would also like to highlight that the Cully CLC has been working for 3+ years on its action plan.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The members of this committee have worked tirelessly to create the plan.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Several members will be leaving the CLC as their terms expire to focus on family, health, or new business ventures.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Of note, the Cully TIF CLC charter allows committee members to stay on a committee past their term expiration and until they have been replaced.

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<v Cornell Wesley>All outgoing members have volunteered to stay through their replacement in January, which is when we'll be bringing new appointments to this body.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Their generosity and commitment will allow the Cully-Tift CLC to continue meeting and conducting work over the next few months without a quorum issue.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Prosper Portland and PHB are running a recruitment process to bring in new members who will carry this work forward.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Thank you.

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<v Cornell Wesley>We will talk about this more in a future session, but I would like to be one of the first to say on behalf of the agency that I thank each and every one of these community members for their time and service in bringing the Cully TIF District's action plan to fruition.

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<v Cornell Wesley>The work is better because you are a part of it.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I will close out with this slide that provides a timeline for upcoming appointments for both the Cully CLC and East 205 vacancies.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Both CLCs are doing their recruitments now and will move into the selection process in the final months of this year.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Together with PHB, we anticipate returning to City Council in January of '27 with a request to approve the next group of nominees.

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<v Cornell Wesley>With this information, Councilors, Prosper Portland requests that the committee recommend Council approval of the proposed nominees.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Thank you for your time and consideration.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Director Wesley.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So before we determine if this is just, uh, technical questions or anything else, is there testimony on this one?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so we'll just open it up for councilor, uh, discussion, questions, and, and also questions of the appointees.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I Director Wesley, did you say that the first and third are not present?

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<v Cornell Wesley>That's correct.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is Victor present?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, I see him.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So just so colleagues may know if they have a question, and I will at some point, so feel free to come up, Victor.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But yeah, we'll go into the queue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Mr.

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<v Loretta Smith>Chair.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Director Wesley.

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<v Loretta Smith>Question, I couldn't tell, particularly with the 82nd, group, I couldn't tell who's in District 1 or District 3 because we border on 82nd Avenue.

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<v Loretta Smith>So are all those— can you send me something that tells me which one of these appointees or CLC members are in, uh, District 1?

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<v Cornell Wesley>Yes, ma'am.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Make note of that.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Great.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I have a few process questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I guess first thing, you know, we normally, as I mentioned earlier, would have Sky just present if possible for questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Not a problem there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We've done this with reappointments before.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I have no concern there and I'm grateful that Victor's here and I'll ask you a question in a moment, sir.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The question I had for you, Director Wesley, with relation to the upcoming recruitments.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So it looks like to avoid a quorum issue, both the current folks Folks staying on in Cully and the reappointment help you while the recruitment is underway.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And applications closed 2 days ago, it looks like, from the slides, October 19th.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Yes, sir.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Would you consider that recruitment to have been, to have yielded sufficient applicants?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And by that I mean, like, to give yourself some margin.

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<v Sameer Kanal>You have a good pool?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, like usually it's 2 to 1 in my experience as a minimum.

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<v Cornell Wesley>I would like to follow up with that 'cause I have not had an opportunity to see the current pool given that it just closed.

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<v Cornell Wesley>So I will reserve my answer to that if you allow me the latitude to follow up.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, just to put a— that's perfectly fine.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Just to put a finer point on it, if it's not sufficiently large, I would encourage you to consider reopening.

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<v Cornell Wesley>Yes, sir.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I were at an event in Cully recently.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We got a gate opened on the west side of Sacagawea Park, and I'm grateful to the Parks Bureau for getting that done.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And there were a lot of community members there and they weren't talking about just the gate.

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<v Sameer Kanal>They were talking about anything related to Cully.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And some questions came up about this particular group and its ability to reach.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think that, I think one of the reasons for the questions were the size of it right now, its ability to reach beyond just the current members who are obviously able to give their own opinion as representatives of the area, but also to kind of be a conduit for other folks to get in.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I have an interest in ensuring that there's, you know, as broad a group as possible of members to try and ensure that all of Cully's able to give their voice to that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>You have our commitment to make sure what comes before you is the best that that community has presented itself to be in terms of the applicant pool.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We'll make sure it's a robust pool.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then Victor, I saw in your bio that you had worked on downtown Vancouver redevelopment.

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<v Unidentified speaker>That's correct.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I represent the Port of Vancouver in connection with their tax increment financing.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm curious, because that's been a topic that several of us have raised, is the success of the downtown revitalization and the waterfront development in Vancouver.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm curious for you if there's anything that you find or that you could let us know 'Cause obviously that's waterfront, it's a slightly different vibe of a location than Cully, which obviously has, but is not exclusively waterfront.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So just wanted to get an idea from you what you find relevant of that experience to this TIF.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think the primary thing that's relevant is taking advice from the community and really putting that to work.

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<v Unidentified speaker>There was a lot of work over about a decade before the Port of Vancouver put its tax increment financing financing in place, and that was in part because tax increment financing didn't exist in Washington State at that point.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So there was some lobbying as well at the state level to try and get that tool in the toolbox.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But there was a lot of work in that, in all of those years preceding even having the tool, of reaching out to the community and understanding what the community wanted to prioritize if TIF became a possibility.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And that led to— The TIF was approved in 2010.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The work that's being done on Terminal 1 in particular.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Again, it's ultimately supposed to be a marketplace for the community, and then there's also trails and those sorts of things.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But that all came from community involvement and listening to the community, and that's where the CLC process here in Portland is very important in listening to community members and trying to incorporate their desires into the use of the TIF proceeds.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And in that role, or in that, I guess, project, liaising with consistent leadership at, you know, here we have Prospera and the city.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There it was just the mayor, right?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And the city government.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Well, again, just to clarify, it was actually the port, right?

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<v Unidentified speaker>So it was the Port Commission.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So you have 3 commissioners that were on the port that were the leaders at private.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And there was a turnover in over this 10 years.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Of who the people were on that committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, you're going exactly what I was asking for because I know on the city side over there that their former mayor Pollard was a very big proponent of this work.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so may he rest in peace.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate that you have that experience to bring to this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I see Vice Chair Ryan is in the queue.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Chair.

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<v Dan Ryan>Victor, thanks for being here.

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<v Dan Ryan>I actually wanted to call out, it's great that you've represent the Columbia Corridor Association, is that right?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, that's correct.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, that's important for especially that area.

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<v Dan Ryan>So, and I do think it's great that you have the experience of the success over in Vancouver.

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<v Dan Ryan>I know the railroad movement took a long time over there.

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<v Dan Ryan>So that's really been the story in Vancouver was how long it took to get the railroads to budge, if you will.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah, I was involved in some of the financing related to that as well.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So it was, yeah, it was a huge task.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It's great that you have that life experience.

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<v Dan Ryan>I tend to ask just a quick question to anyone that's coming on to serve, and what are a couple action items that you think would help spur, ignite business growth in that area of Parkrose, Sumner?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, I mean, it's difficult.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think some of it is going to come down to— because I also kind of live in the area further down Sandy— is how redevelopment of Sandy can be spurred and trying to encourage people to maybe that are property owners on some of these properties that aren't as well cared for to come to the table and be able to revitalize and find alternative uses for some of those properties.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think that's going to be important in the long run.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, I like that.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I forgot one question, which was our last appointee would it be possible for you to work with the council president's office when scheduling to ensure they can— Renata can be present if there's questions at the full council?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Absolutely.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, Councilor Smith, I think that's a legacy hand.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes, sir.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Are there any other people in the queue?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing none, we will need a motion.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It is one full report, so this for all 3 appointees.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Can we have a motion to refer this to the full council with the do pass recommendation?

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<v Dan Ryan>So moved.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Moved by Councilor Ryan, seconded by Councilor Green.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any other discussion before we move to a vote?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing none, Diego, will you please call the roll?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Dunphy?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Oh, sorry, absent.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Nancy Thorington>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>With 10 ayes and 2 absent, the motion carries.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And the report, document number 2026-3G, Sorry, 2026-355 moves to City Council with the recommendation it be accepted.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Director Wesley.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Renata, Victor, and Sky, for your willingness to serve, or I guess continue serving in Sky's case.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And we'll look forward to getting that on a full council agenda.

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<v Sameer Kanal>With that, Diego, can you please call items 4 and 5 together?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item 4, document number 2026-341, Appoint Thomas Kemper and Brian Harvey to the Home Forward Board of Commissioners for terms to expire October 27th, 2030.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item 5, document number 2026-342, appoint Yuria Edwards to the Home Forward Board of Commissioners for a term to expire August 7th, 2028.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And we have Deputy City Administrator Donny Oliveira, and there may be other presenters on some of this, and I'll let you introduce them.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But take it away, DC Oliveira.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Great, thank you, Chair.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Uh, good afternoon, Council.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Donnie Oliveira, for the record.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>I'm going to be pinch-hitting here and stepping up to, um, present the, the full package in 2 separate presentations.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>I'm joined, uh, by, uh, Gresham Council President, uh, Kathy Keithley and, uh, Chair of Home Forward Board, Jenny Kim.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>But let's go ahead and start the slide, and we're starting with the Gresham representative first, just for council's, um, process recognition.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>All right, next slide please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Okay, so, uh, first, um, agenda item is the recommendation of the gresham appointee to the Home Forward board.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>We're going to cover briefly about Home Forward, uh, talk about the commissioner appointment, um, and then discuss the, the appointee themselves.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And, uh, is the council president on?

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Yes, she is.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Hi, nice to see you.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you for joining us.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So we'll run through this real quick.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Okay, so real quick, I just wanted to— just for the public's perspective, just ensuring that people understand that Home Forward is the public housing authority for the entire county of Multnomah and is the largest provider of affordable housing for the city, county, and in the state.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Their mission is to create a better community by providing housing stability through affordable housing development, Housing choice expansion, services that support quality of life, and of course they advocate for— to improve local and national housing systems.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And we have some numbers up there for your background.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Going, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So for the Gresham appointments, before we get into that, just as a reminder, there are 9 members of the Home Forward Board of Commissioners.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>5 are recommended by the City of Portland.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>5.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>2 by Multnomah County, and 2 by the City of Gresham.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>All the appointees are required to go through Portland City Council for approval, and that's by resolution and intergovernmental agreement.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And that's a situation that's established between the 2 cities and the county.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And just for a process perspective, the mayor of Gresham and their city council coordinate with the city manager to make a recommendation on appointments.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Which is then approved by this body right here.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And, uh, Council President Keithley, does— do you want to share, um, a little bit about your process here, please?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Sure.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Um, the— obviously the appointment to the board is a particularly important role for the City of Gresham because Home Forward success is Gresham success.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So we're very deeply committed to making sure that we have somebody that represents So we did our due diligence.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We really found a person who has both experience with housing currently on our— one of our housing committees.

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<v Unidentified speaker>He serves as chair on that committee, but he also has lived experience in this community.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So we just feel like he's a great appointee for this board, and we look forward to working with him.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Councilmember Herbold.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Great, thank you so much.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And with that, next slide please, and the next.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>We are pleased to recommend Uriah Edmonds, who's in chambers with us today, for the appointment as recommended by the City of Gresham.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And as you can see here, he's a community leader in Gresham and a business owner.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He served on the City of Gresham's Community Development and Housing Subcommittee, which is material to this topic.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Of course, he's been described as analytical and collaborative, and has lived experience growing up in subsidized housing, and intends to use that and with public service experience to support Home Forward as a board member.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Just for context, he'll be serving a seat that would end that term would end in August of 2028.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And so, as I said, your eyes in the room if you have questions for him.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And councilors, with that, that is the first recommendation for the Home Forward board, the City of Gresham seat.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I, I wanted to just first make a housekeeping note.

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<v Sameer Kanal>When it was read out loud earlier and when it was originally filed, the document had Mr. Edmonds' name in error as Edwards instead of Edmonds.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I believe Edmonds is the correct last name.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That has been updated.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We did get that corrected, and I just apologize for the error and just wanted to make sure that was on the record, um, that, that the person that is being considered for appointment today is named Uriah Edmonds.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, yeah, um, is this a good place to, to open up the conversation before we—.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Please.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, colleagues, would you like to— we do have testimony on this one, so we're going to do, um, any, uh, questions of the appointees and, um, and other just kind of process questions before we go to To testimony?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, technical questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then we will do this again on the other report and then open up testimony together, just as a process note.

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<v Dan Ryan>Vice Chair Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yes, quick question.

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<v Dan Ryan>How many properties do we have in Gresham?

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Oh, that is a great question, Councilor.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>I'm gonna have to get some staff to help me back that up.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So one second.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>I'll have to get back to council.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>We're working on it.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>We've been focusing so much on the ones closer to Portland, especially in District 2, but it's helpful to know.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

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<v Candace Avalos>Can I come up?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Oh yeah, please.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, please.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>I love it when the appointees might know the answer.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Uh, I do know that we have one in completion or working on completion right now.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>It's a $60 million, 60-unit And I also know a couple of others.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I think Kathy, who's on, might be able to maybe speak on that too.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>But I do know the big one right in our backyard is, you know, right there in the heart of our city is being completed right now.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then there's vouchers and some other—.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>The vouchers, yes.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>There's quite a few of the voucher systems within—.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's more of the history, but now there's a new one, a new building.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Yep.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Councilor, there are 12—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Sorry.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Uriah Edmonds.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Thank you.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Yeah, the appointee for Gresham.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>Sorry, go for it, DCA Oliver.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Sorry, there's 12 active properties in Gresham.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Is that—.

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<v Dan Ryan>Do you count like if there's vouchers in a building as one of the properties?

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Those are just the ones listed under Home Forward's purview.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's a yes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, Councilor Murillo followed by Councilor Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, Chair, is this the right time to just ask the questions that we had prepared for these folks, or should we hold off on that after testimony?

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<v Sameer Kanal>You can ask questions of Mr. Edmonds.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We're going to get to the other 2 in a moment.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So if you have— if you want to wait and ask all 3 together after those 2 have been introduced, if they're the same questions, feel free as well.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Oh, gotcha.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, I'm sorry.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I will take myself out of the queue for now.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, and I see everyone else in the queue has done the same, uh, so I, uh, I will ask you to stay around just in case there are questions for you and then, um, pass it back to DCA Oliveira for our other 2 proposed nominees.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Great, thank you.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So now we're going to pivot to the, um, the 2 representatives that would, um, join on behalf of the City of Portland.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>All right, next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And next slide.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And again, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Um, so, uh, same slide as the Gresham deck, but I really wanted to take a moment to emphasize on this slide, uh, there are 5 seats for the City of Portland, one of which must be a Home Forward resident, and that's one of the seats that we're filling, uh, today.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And all the information is consistent.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>The last slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So this is, I think, an important detail to share for, for this group related to the appointment process for Portland.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So in the past, Home Forward staff have led the recruitment and made recommendations or suggested potential appointees to the commissioner in charge.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And that was in the past, of course, former government or the mayor for consideration, then ultimately going to council for approval.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>For the 2 appointees before you today, Those— thanks.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Those 2, in concert with Home Forward but largely led by the mayor, were selected and made as recommendations to you all.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>But going forward, the Home Forward board will be partnering with the city on developing a nomination process for Portland's 5 seats that will be overseen by a nomination committee made up of key stakeholders.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>So we've been working with the Home Forward board chair, Jenny Kim, on outlining that process.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>We want to be a partner at the table to ensure that we have a transparent process that is vetted with a variety of stakeholders that would ultimately make a recommendation of potential nominees to the mayor for his ultimate selection to you all.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>But that's going to be the process after these 2 appointees.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And we'll also acknowledge the council president from Gresham alluded to this, but it's important to fill these seats as soon as possible because we are running up against quorum issues at Home Forward.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And so getting these seats filled is timely.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And with that, we'll start to discuss the appointees, I believe.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>The first person I'm pleased to welcome is Brian Harvey.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He has been a Homestead resident since 2013.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He has been active as a tenant in his place of residence.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He's been a part of the tenants union in and join there in the spring of 2025.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He's co-chaired the Pearl District Neighborhood Association Affordable Housing Committee, and he's very keen to serve on the board to represent his fellow tenants.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And his term would be a 4-year term that would expire in 2030.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Next slide, please.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Also for your consideration is Thomas Kemper.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thomas has had a very active role in Oregon's housing ecosystem He's eager to provide his expertise related to affordable housing and addressing the housing crisis in Portland.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>He too would be serving a 4-year term.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And we have Brian joining us online, and Thomas is in chambers if you all have questions for them.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>And that wraps our presentation of these 2 individuals.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Great.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you everybody for being here as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Can I just get a quick clarification?

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's slide 8.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Oh, sure.

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<v Sameer Kanal>You were saying That there's gonna be a process for all 5 of the Portland appointees?

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Going forward, in the event there's another Portland seat that becomes available.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, there's not a planned vacancy coming up?

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Not currently.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thank you for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I should— I'm remiss for not previously thanking Council President Keithley for being here as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I really appreciate it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Always nice to have our neighbors joining us.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, are there any other questions?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Now would be the time to ask questions of the appointees.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'll go to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney first.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There we go.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Chair, and I am sorry to not be in the room with you all today.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I do have a couple of questions for the nominees.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll start with Mr. Harvey.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, first of all, thank you for all the work that you have already done to in my district on the east side of the river in Northeast Portland, there are a number of larger towers that are really struggling, and I am wondering how you would, as a tenant representative on the board, plan to reach out to tenants in other buildings, some of which don't have their own organizations, don't have tenant unions, and have really struggled to organize themselves.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Well, what I'd say, Councilor, is that if you have the contact information for anybody in those buildings and somebody can actually get me inside the building, that's the first step.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So the first step is to get into the building or to make contact with an initial person, and then that person can make sure that I'm able to get into the building.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And you're willing to put in that work to, to make some of those connections?

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<v Unidentified speaker>I am.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Great.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do you see the role that you would be stepping into, the tenant representative role, as different from the role of other board members on Home Forward?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if so, how?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or do you see it really as the same job as the, the other board members have in overseeing the operations of the organization?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think it's a little bit different.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I think that it is different.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It requires that I continue to advocate for tenants, at least as a class.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And, you know, the other, the other board members are professionals, and it's my job to kind of bring the tenant perspective into the boardroom.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do you foresee any challenges doing and getting the attention of Home Forward or other board members as the sole person in that role?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Say that again, sorry.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I apologize.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do you foresee any challenges being able to do that as the sole person in this role and being able to get the attention of the other board members or of the Home Forward leadership at the board meetings?

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I think that, I think that, you know, I, I'm sorry, I have the organizing experience where I'll be able to represent the tenant voice in the room.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And, you know, I'm sorry, Looks like we got a disconnection here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Um, challenges.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Hi, Councilor.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Why don't I ask my question of Mr. Kemper, if that's all right with you?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I, uh, we'll see if Mr.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Heavy makes it back.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, while we get him reconnected, I think he might have had a battery die or something on his computer.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So yeah, please go ahead, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Tom Kemper>Thank you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Mr. Kemper, thank you for being there today.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm sorry I'm not in the room with you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I noticed in your resume that you have served as an executive director for a housing organization, so you've presumably had a board that you were working with before, and I am wondering if you can speak to how hands-on or how hands-off I think it depends much—.

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<v Tom Kemper>Well, first of all, my name is Tom Kemper, for the record.

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<v Tom Kemper>Um, I think it depends in much part upon, um, how well management is actually performing.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think it's a good question.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think it's worth discussing as to how involved the board gets.

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<v Tom Kemper>Certainly my intent is to get very involved in the operations of Home Forward.

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<v Tom Kemper>One of the first things that I want to do is that I know that there are a number of troubled properties.

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<v Tom Kemper>I would like to personally go spend time at those institutions and really try to, you know, talk to onsite management, talk to tenants, And to get a better understanding about what the issues are and sort of how to create solutions to the problems that those properties are experiencing.

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<v Tom Kemper>So my plan is to be very involved.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you very much for that answer.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I actually think you alluded to your answer to my second question, which is what do you think the most pressing challenges are for Home Forward right now, and what do you see as the role of the board in ensuring that those challenges are addressed?

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<v Tom Kemper>Well, I think the, the organization is experiencing, um, some significant financial challenges, uh, in part due to, you know, operational issues that they're experiencing.

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<v Tom Kemper>Um, you know, there's security issues, there's crime issues, there's there's issues with their voucher management, their voucher program, and I think you just have to get into those specific issues, get into the nuts and bolts and details, and really identify specifically what the problems are and then figure out solutions to those problems.

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<v Tom Kemper>Does that answer that question?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It does.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you very much.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you for those answers.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I look forward to supporting you in your nomination to the board today, and I just hope that you feel empowered to do that hands-on work that you are referring to and to being a hands-on board member.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if there's anything that we as councilors can do to help you navigate some of the buildings you might want to take a look at in our district, Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Morillo, followed by Councilor Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you so much, Chair.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you everyone for being here today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Sorry, I am homesick, but I figure you would rather not me get everybody in chambers sick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And my question is for Mr. Kemper.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The state has estimated that we need— that Portland needs around 15,000 units that are between 0 and 60% AMI.

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<v Sameer Kanal>How do you think Home Forward and the broader system of affordable housing could get to that goal?

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<v Tom Kemper>Well, in my experience, and, you know, I've been involved in the industry for almost 40 years.

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<v Tom Kemper>Unfortunately, every time you develop a project, it fundamentally comes back to finding the funds to build projects.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so I think, you know, first and foremost, it's a commitment to appropriately funding the expansion of the parks.

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<v Tom Kemper>Thank you.

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<v Tom Kemper>Of the inventory of housing.

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<v Tom Kemper>And part of that, I think, relates to really efficiently operating housing because, you know, part of the problem is that if you have properties that are not performing well and are creating negative cash flow against the organization's operational cash flows, You know, it really impedes an organization's ability to further expand their portfolio.

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<v Tom Kemper>And I think, as a matter of fact, I think Home Forward has done a pretty good job of expanding housing.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think they've, you know, most of the funding comes from Oregon Housing and Community Services, and I think they've done a good job of creating a relationship with that organization.

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<v Tom Kemper>And continually, you know, generating a stream of funding that supports the expansion of their housing portfolio.

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<v Tom Kemper>But I think ultimately it's money, unfortunately.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so it's gonna be the city's commitment and the state's commitment and Metro's commitment to continue funding the, you know, the gap funding that's necessary.

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<v Tom Kemper>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Gotcha.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for that answer.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I think I had a follow-up, but I think you've answered that as, uh, as you were speaking about it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So thank you for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, appreciate your time.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Novick, followed by Green.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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<v Steve Novick>This question is for all the nominees.

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<v Steve Novick>It's kind of the obvious one.

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<v Steve Novick>I assume that everybody read the story in the Oregonian a few weeks ago by Jonathan Bach.

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<v Steve Novick>Mysterious deaths, violence, drugs haunt largest apartment complex managed by Portland Housing Authority.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm just curious, um, how, if at all, will the stories in that article— do they affect how you look at Home Forward itself and how they might affect how you go about your, uh, business in this role?

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<v Tom Kemper>Can I go first?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Absolutely.

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<v Tom Kemper>I was stunned by that article, and I think what it made me believe is that it would've been the first property that I'd want to go visit and really talk to, you know, tenants, onsite management, management staff, and really try to understand, you know, sort of what the facts really are.

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<v Tom Kemper>It was a little concerning to me that they weren't able to immediately evict that person.

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<v Tom Kemper>And that would've been the first question that I had is just that, you know, why were we slow in acting on that?

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<v Tom Kemper>And I know that, you know, we've got, you know, you have to have, there are obvious protections against tenant evictions, but I think that in situations like that, when—.

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<v Tom Kemper>Yeah.

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<v Tom Kemper>You know, you, you, that has such an impact on, on the community that, that, um, um, that, that those tenants exist in.

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<v Tom Kemper>I've been in this business for a long time.

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<v Tom Kemper>I've, I've, I've participated in the development of like over 10,000 apartment units.

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<v Tom Kemper>Most of that was affordable housing.

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<v Tom Kemper>And the first thing that I learned was when something goes down in a project, It's really important to address the issues because the events like that really impact the community.

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<v Tom Kemper>And those kind of things can multiply quickly and create more and more problems.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so it's very important to act quickly and carefully and deal with them really effectively.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so I have to say that upon my appointment, one of that's— that is one of the first things I want to do is go visit that property.

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<v Tom Kemper>Thank you.

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<v Tom Kemper>And talk to, to Home Forward people about how they reacted and how we can do better in those kinds of instances.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Well, I, I mean, he's, he's very right.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I think the one thing I've really looked at through all this is It's become evident that there are 2 avenues of affordable housing now, and that is the actual providing of the housing, and then it's the services.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>It's the ability to come to the people where they're at and what they need in addition from housing, right?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think the challenge you have is HomeForward needs to be a really good landlord and needs to be a good landlord first.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>The properties need to be able to be developed correctly, and they need to be managed correctly.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think when I'm reading through that, I go, okay, how— what are the— what are the tools in place to make this a safe community for the tenants and a safe place for these people?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Um, and I would want to come at it from a, how are we doing this as a landlord-based service first, and then address those wraparound services that are becoming a necessity within some of these affordable housing units and how are we providing those or do better with that.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>So I think that's kind of what I took from that article.

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<v Steve Novick>This is a totally unfair question, but I mean, in the balance between keeping people housed or evicting them because they're causing problems for other tenants, how would you go about— I mean, how would you suggest that the organization think about that balance, which should Should the tie go to keeping the tenant in, or should the tie go to protecting the other tenants?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>It's a really hard one, right?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I think accountability means something though, and I think that when you look at accountability, you have to be compassionate, but you have to also say, what is the greater good of all these other tenants that are in this building?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I think that But when you have things like non-eviction over 6 months or 9 months for either unpaid rents or infractions that are caused, that's not, that's not showing compassion or accountability to those people.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>So in my opinion, I think you start with accountability to the folks who are causing those problems in those properties and letting the other tenants feel like they have a safe home.

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<v Tom Kemper>I would second that response.

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<v Tom Kemper>One of the first lessons that I learned in operating a project was, is that if you let somebody slide on the rules, on rent or rules, then other people feel like they can do that too.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so it, you know, so if you let infractions occur without, Without sanctions, all you do is increase that kind of behavior.

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<v Tom Kemper>So I would totally agree that the community really does have to come first.

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<v Tom Kemper>And that doesn't mean that you can't be compassionate about dealing with people.

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<v Tom Kemper>And I think your comment about services is very well taken.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think that particularly when the housing authority has, by virtue of its financing commitments, agreed to take on tenants who have real problems, you have to supply the appropriate services to help deal with those problems.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so it's a real— It's a real challenge.

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<v Tom Kemper>Conundrum, but I think in balance, you've got to weigh the committee's or the community's importance before the individual.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I would just add that I think one of the complexes sat at 50% capacity, right, for a long time.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think that's also people that aren't feeling like they want to move into a property knowing that there's there's problems there, and that then defeats the purpose of building more units to just sit at 50% capacity.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you both very much.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, I see Councilor Green, and then Councilor Ryan is next in the queue.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you so much for making time today to talk to us and to serve in this way.

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<v Mitch Green>It's notable.

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<v Mitch Green>I have one question for every candidate, and I've got one specific question for Mr. Harvey.

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<v Mitch Green>But just broadly speaking, can you describe the problems that face the affordable housing sector as a whole?

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<v Mitch Green>Do you think it's one single causal source, or do you think it's a basket of issues?

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<v Mitch Green>And if it's a basket of issues, can you describe what those basket of issues are?

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<v Tom Kemper>Do you want me to go first?

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<v Tom Kemper>Yes.

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<v Tom Kemper>Yes, sir.

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<v Tom Kemper>Yes, sir.

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<v Tom Kemper>Good point.

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<v Tom Kemper>Yes.

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<v Tom Kemper>Uh, well, I think— I don't think there's one issue.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think there is— it's a, it's a basket.

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<v Tom Kemper>I think, um, uh, first of all, I think, um, the financial commitments that Home Forward takes on by agreeing to build and operate affordable housing today, they agree to take on tenants that have significant problems— mental health problems, drug problems.

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<v Tom Kemper>And with that, you know, it takes a lot of services to sort of work with that kind of population.

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<v Tom Kemper>So I think that's one issue.

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<v Tom Kemper>Is sort of the, the, the tenants who come with, with, with baggage, if you will, um, that have, that have issues that need help.

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<v Tom Kemper>Um, second, I think there's, there's real, there's real concerns about crime, uh, drug dealing, uh, physical— I mean, I've, I've read stories about site managers getting beat up by tenants.

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<v Tom Kemper>I mean, so that's, that's a real concern.

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<v Tom Kemper>Uh, so I mean, I don't It raises the whole issue of security and how do you deal with that.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so I think, so that's part of it.

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<v Tom Kemper>So I think those, and then there's the basic affordability issue.

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<v Tom Kemper>People don't make enough money to sort of afford housing in Portland.

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<v Tom Kemper>And so I think without the appropriate Be it voucher or other rent kind of subsidy, it's difficult for people to afford to live even in affordable housing these days.

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<v Tom Kemper>You know, today affordable housing rents are getting close to like 60% AMI rents are close to market.

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<v Tom Kemper>So, you know, and if a developer or the housing authority has proformed their property based on getting Section 42 rents and they're not getting them, you know, it creates real financial problems for the organization to generate enough cash flow.

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<v Tom Kemper>So I think there's— that's just a couple, you know, 3 of the problems that I see that exist in trying to, you know, provide affordable housing in Portland, Oregon.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that response very much.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>I would just go back to the wraparound services aspect, right?

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01:11:36.451 --> 01:11:40.640
<v Uriah Edmonds>I mean, if you look at historically, housing authorities were just housing, right?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>That they were built to build houses, manage properties, develop properties.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>They were not built to be a social services aspect, right?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>They were not built to be that way.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>So there's a transformative process that has to happen, right?

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<v Uriah Edmonds>We now have to start identifying those wraparound services, whether that be mental health, addiction, job placement, career development, whatever that might be.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Home Forward has to start pushing into those directions using other community partners to help create those avenues for those tenants.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>And so I think that's something that's going to continue to be a pushing process for these Housing First programs.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>Thank you.

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01:12:21.658 --> 01:12:23.195
<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think that's going to be important.

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<v Uriah Edmonds>So I think when you say what are the multitude of problems, it really comes down to that, that they have to be able to partner with the community partners and finding ways to have their tenants being supported.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Tom Kemper>And there's got to be enough money to support the organizations that do provide the services.

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<v Unidentified speaker>That's fair.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>And Mr. Harvey, did you have some thoughts on If the problems facing, you know, HomeForward and any other of the sort of affordable housing providers are a single source, single story problem, or are they sort of a basket of problems?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Could you expand on that?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Sorry.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I think where I'm going with this is there's been a lot of reporting lately, or headlines even, that sort of try to reduce it to one single cause.

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<v Mitch Green>That cause being that there's a lot of crime, and no question some of these units have a rampant crime issue.

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<v Mitch Green>But then that also ignores the market dynamic, which is the fact that at the 60% AMI level, the market sector is just as affordable, or in some cases more affordable, than the regulated unit.

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<v Mitch Green>And so there's a difficulty in attracting tenants for a multitude of reasons.

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<v Mitch Green>And I guess what I'm trying to hear is a recognition as a commissioner that the problems facing Home Forward are complex, are coming from different social sort of breakdowns in the system, as it were, and require complicated and sort of evidence-based solutions.

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<v Mitch Green>So that's the sort of nature of my question.

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<v Unidentified speaker>No, I do think it's a huge series of interconnected, complex It is, it is not a single problem.

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01:14:10.724 --> 01:14:13.228
<v Unidentified speaker>And I apologize, by the way, for leaving earlier.

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01:14:13.292 --> 01:14:14.496
<v Unidentified speaker>This is terrifying to me.

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01:14:15.056 --> 01:14:19.181
<v Unidentified speaker>This might be the most terrifying experience I've ever had, and I'm just freezing up.

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01:14:19.887 --> 01:14:32.182
<v Unidentified speaker>So I am good in person, on the ground, getting into buildings, helping them unionize, helping them reclaim tenant power, and that's what I'm good at.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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01:14:32.807 --> 01:14:35.885
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm good at a barbecue at a low-income property.

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01:14:36.622 --> 01:14:37.534
<v Unidentified speaker>This terrifies me.

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01:14:37.743 --> 01:14:39.698
<v Unidentified speaker>I have no idea how you folks do this.

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01:14:40.948 --> 01:14:42.791
<v Unidentified speaker>I would never want to do this.

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01:14:43.192 --> 01:14:47.903
<v Unidentified speaker>If I could erase like every video of me from the world, I probably would.

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01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.940
<v Unidentified speaker>But this is something that you folks are good at.

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01:14:52.246 --> 01:14:52.966
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm not good at it.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I can tell you this, I resurrected our tenants union.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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01:14:59.377 --> 01:15:07.146
<v Unidentified speaker>A year and a half ago, and we have had incredible success that I have not seen from another tenants union in Portland anywhere.

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01:15:07.724 --> 01:15:14.934
<v Unidentified speaker>We've had a half dozen instances of getting in the news, sometimes multiple outlets covering us.

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01:15:15.494 --> 01:15:25.667
<v Unidentified speaker>And then I was able to spearhead the unionization of 2 nearby Home Forward properties who are now working in a coalition together.

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<v Unidentified speaker>That's completely unprecedented, and I led that effort.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>That.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And we are now meeting bimonthly with senior officials from Home Forward and from Pinehurst, uh, management, which manages all 3 buildings.

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01:15:42.345 --> 01:15:52.475
<v Unidentified speaker>And we have people like the senior portfolio manager from Pinehurst and the director of policy and planning from Home Forward, uh, other staff in the room.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And in real time We are informing them about tenants' priorities, and they are changing their mind, changing their policies, changing what they were about to do based on that feedback.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I don't feel like I've observed anybody else doing that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I would appreciate if, uh, if you gave me a little latitude for— I, I've actually told friends I would pay good money to never be on the local news.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I might not be able to do that after today, but again, this is something that other people are good at.

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01:16:30.497 --> 01:16:32.311
<v Unidentified speaker>I could list off my qualifications.

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01:16:32.505 --> 01:16:33.662
<v Unidentified speaker>I have notes right here.

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01:16:33.789 --> 01:16:39.654
<v Unidentified speaker>I don't know if you read the bio and state of— statement of interest which were circulated to council.

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01:16:39.719 --> 01:16:41.261
<v Unidentified speaker>I worked really hard on that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I really think if you read that, you'd see that I'm incredibly well qualified to be the resident commissioner.

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01:16:47.688 --> 01:16:47.864
<v Unidentified speaker>I really am.

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01:16:47.944 --> 01:16:48.283
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:53.375
<v Unidentified speaker>And my heart's in the right place and I want this to work.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So if there are any more questions, I'd love to take 'em.

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01:16:56.828 --> 01:17:02.225
<v Unidentified speaker>Again, I apologize for this being kind of a nightmare for me, even though it's every day for you.

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01:17:02.948 --> 01:17:04.409
<v Sameer Kanal>Brian, thank you so much.

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01:17:04.458 --> 01:17:05.855
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm just gonna give you right back.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Sorry, Councilor Green.

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01:17:07.671 --> 01:17:08.490
<v Sameer Kanal>You're doing great.

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01:17:08.796 --> 01:17:10.289
<v Sameer Kanal>You may not believe that in the moment, but you are.

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01:17:10.963 --> 01:17:12.939
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate you being here.

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01:17:14.113 --> 01:17:16.265
<v Sameer Kanal>It's not easy for all of us all the time either.

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01:17:16.698 --> 01:17:20.551
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll just say that for myself and appreciate you being a part of this.

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01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:26.846
<v Sameer Kanal>I know that also what we ask for out of a resident commissioner is often not the same thing that we're asking from everybody else.

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01:17:26.943 --> 01:17:32.899
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't personally care if you know a lot about some of the stuff outside of your experience.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's why we're considering appointing you.

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01:17:34.827 --> 01:17:37.186
<v Sameer Kanal>So, and that's what I think people are gonna be thinking about.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm gonna pass it back to Jean.

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<v Mitch Green>Could I say something really quickly or Jean?

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<v Mitch Green>I just want to say thank you so much, Brian.

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01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Mitch Green>And for folks who don't know, Brian has reached out to my office many times over the last 2 years to make me aware of issues in the yards.

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01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:55.310
<v Mitch Green>This is in my district.

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01:17:55.819 --> 01:17:56.649
<v Mitch Green>It's a Home Forward property.

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01:17:57.300 --> 01:18:02.380
<v Mitch Green>He's well trusted among the tenants, and I think he'd be a great addition to the commissioner.

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<v Mitch Green>So I want to say thank you for that, and we'll stay engaged.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:10.579
<v Sameer Kanal>We'll go to Councilor Ryan and then Councilor Smith.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Mr.

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01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:10.659
<v Unidentified speaker>Chair.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Chair.

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01:18:13.747 --> 01:18:16.685
<v Dan Ryan>First of all, thank you, Council President Keithley, for being here.

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01:18:17.215 --> 01:18:21.518
<v Dan Ryan>You did a great job of presenting us your selection, Mr. Edmonds.

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01:18:22.095 --> 01:18:25.627
<v Dan Ryan>So now I'm going to kind of ignore you and focus on the other 2.

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01:18:26.832 --> 01:18:30.028
<v Dan Ryan>I really appreciate, Councilor Novick, the questions that you asked.

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01:18:30.220 --> 01:18:32.195
<v Dan Ryan>They were many of the questions that I had.

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01:18:32.854 --> 01:18:39.935
<v Dan Ryan>But just to elaborate a bit, Here's the situation in Portland.

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<v Dan Ryan>We have high vacancy rate.

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01:18:42.827 --> 01:18:58.324
<v Dan Ryan>We have people in my district that it hasn't just been recent headlines, it's been for the last 5 years I've been hearing people inside the buildings and neighbors next to the buildings equally upset.

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<v Dan Ryan>So the management of a lot of the properties has been questioned and and I've quite frankly listened to people say they don't feel safe to walk in the hallways of the building they live in.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I've heard people that are near the buildings say that it's— they were celebrating the fact that a building was opened, and then they soon after have been really disappointed with the way that it's been managed.

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<v Dan Ryan>So this is a big deal, and I know that you know that.

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01:19:29.210 --> 01:19:30.685
<v Dan Ryan>And it also is a host of complex issues.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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01:19:32.365 --> 01:19:39.398
<v Dan Ryan>And we can't— that's why we're taking these appointments more seriously.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think I've witnessed us passing them through quicker than we are now doing because I think everyone's aware of the challenges that we're having with vacancy rates.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I've had people say, how can you make the case to build more housing and ask the taxpayers for more money for more housing when you're not taking care of what you have.

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<v Dan Ryan>And, um, so you're not going into this with any— you're, you're aware of all of this saying yes to this appointment, correct?

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01:20:11.002 --> 01:20:12.895
<v Tom Kemper>Oh yes, that's why I'm here.

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01:20:14.051 --> 01:20:17.034
<v Dan Ryan>And I've noticed that in your answers, and I really appreciate that.

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01:20:17.179 --> 01:20:25.458
<v Dan Ryan>I think that you're an excellent candidate because of your life experience, the way you answered Councilor Novick Novick's questions was pleasing to me.

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01:20:26.326 --> 01:20:32.796
<v Dan Ryan>I think it's— the transparency has been challenging for me when I've asked questions, simple questions.

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01:20:32.909 --> 01:20:34.371
<v Dan Ryan>What's the current vacancy rate?

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01:20:35.639 --> 01:20:39.315
<v Dan Ryan>How many people have been behind on rent for how many months?

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01:20:39.909 --> 01:20:42.414
<v Dan Ryan>And again, this isn't to have data to shame.

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01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:46.028
<v Dan Ryan>This is to have information so we know where we are and where we're going.

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01:20:46.076 --> 01:20:48.708
<v Dan Ryan>And we know we need to improve almost in every category.

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01:20:50.250 --> 01:21:08.527
<v Dan Ryan>In your pursuit of this, have you noticed that the organizations providing that kind of readily available data so that you as a commissioner will be able to have a quick assessment of how conditions are going at the time and if you're in fact seeing any improvement?

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<v Dan Ryan>And if you are seeing improvement, why is that?

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01:21:11.703 --> 01:21:14.063
<v Tom Kemper>I'm not sure I understand the question.

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01:21:14.110 --> 01:21:16.565
<v Dan Ryan>I'm asking that in pursuit of this, have you I don't know.

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01:21:16.613 --> 01:21:35.966
<v Dan Ryan>I'm just wondering if you've been able to notice if the staff has provided you any updates, fresh, current information that says, here's the vacancy rate as of now, here's the information on how many of our participants are not making rent, here's how long they haven't been making rent.

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01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:43.429
<v Dan Ryan>Just that kind of information that if I was on that commission, I would want to have access to that readily.

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<v Tom Kemper>Those will be the questions that I ask immediately once my appointment is effective.

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01:21:50.510 --> 01:21:56.162
<v Tom Kemper>I, I can't say that I have had access to that information to be able to answer that question.

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<v Dan Ryan>I believe, based on the dialogue you had earlier, that you will ask those questions, and I'm really counting on you to do that because we need more accountability from the people that are appointed to these positions.

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<v Tom Kemper>That's why I stepped up to do this.

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<v Dan Ryan>That was perfect.

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01:22:12.853 --> 01:22:15.176
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for that statement that you just made.

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<v Dan Ryan>I always like to remind myself it's a violation of federal fair housing laws to not enforce the lease to one resident, but enforce it with other residents differently.

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01:22:27.881 --> 01:22:33.761
<v Dan Ryan>And so earlier when you said consistency is very important, there's a federal law that says that's very important.

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01:22:33.921 --> 01:22:35.876
<v Tom Kemper>It's important to maintain the community.

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01:22:36.085 --> 01:22:36.628
<v Dan Ryan>Exactly.

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01:22:37.253 --> 01:22:40.815
<v Dan Ryan>And then there's that element of So I just wanted to make sure we underscored that.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm really impressed with what I read, Brian Harvey.

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<v Dan Ryan>Your statement of interest was incredibly helpful.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for taking the time to do that.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think we're at a place where I wish we had more than one tenant representative in the composite.

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01:22:58.618 --> 01:23:12.287
<v Dan Ryan>It's a lot to put on one person to represent all of the units, and you've really drilled down and to lead the effort at your building to form the union, to form those rights.

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01:23:13.822 --> 01:23:19.738
<v Dan Ryan>What will it be like for you to explore the other Home Forward units and get to know other residents?

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01:23:20.398 --> 01:23:24.068
<v Dan Ryan>I assume that's your audience that you really want to be in touch with.

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01:23:24.326 --> 01:23:28.479
<v Dan Ryan>And in this responsibility, it'll go beyond the unit you live in.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I just want to hear some of your thinking about exploring all the other units.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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01:23:32.775 --> 01:23:38.252
<v Dan Ryan>And checking out their conditions and how you will be able to connect with other tenants and other buildings?

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01:23:39.136 --> 01:23:43.439
<v Unidentified speaker>Well, I think the connection will come quite naturally when I'm actually at those properties.

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01:23:44.676 --> 01:23:53.654
<v Unidentified speaker>But to remind council, I have helped to unionize about a handful of buildings to this point, and I would love the opportunity.

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01:23:53.752 --> 01:24:03.921
<v Unidentified speaker>I mean, one of the things in my notes here is that when I talk about my priorities, Find new ways to collect feedback from residents on an ongoing basis.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I don't think that's something that Home Forward is doing or has made an effort to do.

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01:24:08.583 --> 01:24:15.068
<v Unidentified speaker>Every few years there's a reason, whether political or otherwise, where they'll put together a new outreach program.

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01:24:16.256 --> 01:24:20.578
<v Unidentified speaker>And, you know, I don't know how they select the buildings.

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01:24:20.835 --> 01:24:26.493
<v Unidentified speaker>I don't know, I don't know why they don't do it on an ongoing basis, but I do think that it's important.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think we need some way to measure resident sentiment and to do it, to do it over time and see how it's shifting so that we can anticipate what is going wrong, what is going right.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I would welcome— I mean, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney asked me would I actually volunteer my time.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I have dedicated my life to this.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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01:24:53.197 --> 01:24:56.903
<v Unidentified speaker>And I continue— I intend to continue to do so.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So yes, I mean, anyone who comes to me and says, can you help me get a tenants union off the ground?

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<v Unidentified speaker>I can do it.

895
01:25:03.945 --> 01:25:06.225
<v Unidentified speaker>And it's not one linear playbook.

896
01:25:06.689 --> 01:25:10.877
<v Unidentified speaker>There are a lot of different zigs and zags you might have to take.

897
01:25:11.101 --> 01:25:31.427
<v Unidentified speaker>But I'm going to tell you, if you want to call someone to come and ensure that a tenants union And have it actually come to fruition and actually be effective and actually engage with management and gain concessions, I am that guy.

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01:25:34.849 --> 01:25:35.283
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

899
01:25:35.734 --> 01:25:41.260
<v Dan Ryan>Um, DC Alavera, maybe you or someone from Home Forward knows the answer to this.

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01:25:42.170 --> 01:25:45.853
<v Dan Ryan>What kind of information does Home Forward ask of their tenants?

901
01:25:45.917 --> 01:25:49.810
<v Dan Ryan>How do they get a sense of how they're feeling?

902
01:25:49.873 --> 01:25:52.170
<v Dan Ryan>Like, how do they survey the tenants?

903
01:25:53.005 --> 01:26:03.537
<v Dan Ryan>'Cause my experience up here is that I would have to listen to anecdotes out in the community, but I couldn't really find it from Home Forward.

904
01:26:04.228 --> 01:26:08.532
<v Donnie Oliveira>Councilor, if somebody could answer, it would be the Home Forward board chair, Jenny Kim, who's online as well.

905
01:26:09.126 --> 01:26:09.993
<v Dan Ryan>Oh, hi, Jenny.

906
01:26:12.577 --> 01:26:14.228
<v Jenny Kim>Hello, good afternoon.

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01:26:15.221 --> 01:26:40.645
<v Jenny Kim>Um, I would say, so I've actually been a chair for Home Forward starting from July of this year, and my understanding from being on board and asking for feedback is that we ask our senior leadership, especially the ED, since Michael Bonaccord has come back as an interim ED, he has been doing a lot of town hall meetings, both in person and virtual.

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01:26:41.591 --> 01:27:01.261
<v Jenny Kim>And Brian, I don't know if you were familiar with the fact that we have been doing that, and we're being a little bit more intentional about doing an outreach so that we have an understanding of properties that are managed by Home Forward as well as properties like The Yard that's managed by outside property management, because the experiences are very different.

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01:27:01.390 --> 01:27:30.048
<v Jenny Kim>Another thing is, I'll just mention that Even though it's not necessarily talking about what has happened in the past, we are currently doing an organizational assessment with a consultant group that is giving us better ideas and suggestions about how we can do better community engagement and do operational performance and making sure that we are being more consistent about outreach and engagement with our jurisdictional partners and our community.

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01:27:37.144 --> 01:27:46.739
<v Dan Ryan>Okay, just as we were discussing earlier, Mr. Kemper was answering the questions about wanting to make sure that he had readily available information, a dashboard that he'll be asking for.

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01:27:47.141 --> 01:27:59.538
<v Dan Ryan>I hope that there's as much commitment to provide getting that type of baseline information consistently on how the residents are experiencing their, their livability at the sites.

912
01:28:00.890 --> 01:28:04.688
<v Dan Ryan>And, and getting more consistency and transparency about that would be great.

913
01:28:06.260 --> 01:28:06.912
<v Jenny Kim>Yes, definitely.

914
01:28:07.028 --> 01:28:10.917
<v Jenny Kim>That's something that we're all very interested in, and we look forward to having Brian.

915
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:33.091
<v Jenny Kim>We definitely needed that resident commissioner, uh, you know, voice and perspective on the, the leadership team so that we can make sure that we're including that perspective in everything yeah, I will definitely, uh, make sure as a councilor that I'll be seeking that information consistently, um, especially in the properties in District 2.

916
01:28:33.653 --> 01:28:34.454
<v Dan Ryan>So thank you.

917
01:28:35.658 --> 01:28:36.686
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

918
01:28:36.895 --> 01:28:40.378
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm going to go to Councilor Smith, then myself, and then we'll go to public testimony.

919
01:28:40.652 --> 01:28:43.510
<v Sameer Kanal>We will have an opportunity after testimony to keep discussing.

920
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:45.355
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

921
01:28:45.869 --> 01:28:46.368
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you, Mr.

922
01:28:46.416 --> 01:28:46.704
<v Jenny Kim>Chair.

923
01:28:46.993 --> 01:28:51.247
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much for bringing this forward, uh, DCA Oliveira.

924
01:28:51.873 --> 01:28:54.090
<v Loretta Smith>I know that I know that in these times it's very stressful.

925
01:28:54.137 --> 01:29:00.046
<v Loretta Smith>Housing is very stressful across the board, affordability and the whole 9 yards.

926
01:29:00.465 --> 01:29:14.707
<v Loretta Smith>And I just want to ask the, um, the folks who are, are trying to be in this position, what do you think is the single most important, um, attribute that you should have when you're in these kind of, uh, stressful situations?

927
01:29:14.755 --> 01:29:15.798
<v Loretta Smith>How do you respond?

928
01:29:21.650 --> 01:29:22.404
<v Tom Kemper>Ask that again.

929
01:29:22.467 --> 01:29:23.943
<v Tom Kemper>I want to make sure I got that right.

930
01:29:24.135 --> 01:29:32.770
<v Loretta Smith>What, what, what kind of qualities do you think that someone in your position should, should have to deal in these kind of very stressful housing situations?

931
01:29:32.884 --> 01:29:45.077
<v Loretta Smith>And you're going to be responsible for sitting on this board, and, uh, everybody's going to want to know when are we going to fill these vacancies, what can we do, how do you, how do you deal in those kind of high-pressure situations?

932
01:29:48.774 --> 01:30:00.537
<v Tom Kemper>I think probably the greatest attribute would be openness, because, you know, it's always boiling down to tenant versus community in a lot of those situations.

933
01:30:00.617 --> 01:30:07.101
<v Tom Kemper>And so it's really— it's getting an understanding of what the real deal is.

934
01:30:07.460 --> 01:30:11.145
<v Tom Kemper>And I think you just— it's openness to what the facts are.

935
01:30:11.194 --> 01:30:11.664
<v Loretta Smith>Getting to the point.

936
01:30:11.771 --> 01:30:13.597
<v Loretta Smith>Excellent.

937
01:30:13.838 --> 01:30:16.177
<v Loretta Smith>I like that.

938
01:30:16.802 --> 01:30:19.798
<v Uriah Edmonds>For me, I, I've— I get it told a lot, I ask a lot of questions.

939
01:30:20.568 --> 01:30:21.945
<v Uriah Edmonds>Uh, it's my nature.

940
01:30:22.186 --> 01:30:23.355
<v Uriah Edmonds>I just ask a lot of questions.

941
01:30:23.404 --> 01:30:31.560
<v Uriah Edmonds>So in these stressful opportunities, environments, I, I want to ask, uh, you know, uh, seek to understand kind of mentality, right?

942
01:30:32.601 --> 01:30:59.418
<v Uriah Edmonds>Uh, it kind of goes along the openness line, but asking a lot of questions, because if we don't ask the hard questions, we don't ask the easy questions sometimes I can come off a little interrogating, and I try to be careful with that, but asking a lot of questions because I think that if we're in a room with very passionate leaders like Mr. Kemper or Mr. Harvey, you're going to have a lot of differing opinions and a lot of differing ways to look at things.

943
01:30:59.675 --> 01:31:01.694
<v Uriah Edmonds>So I think asking a lot of questions is important.

944
01:31:01.854 --> 01:31:02.511
<v Loretta Smith>That's very good.

945
01:31:02.577 --> 01:31:14.690
<v Uriah Edmonds>That's very good to hear because you won't have a problem I think that that's the very first thing I'd love to ask more questions about, uh, you know.

946
01:31:14.836 --> 01:31:30.067
<v Uriah Edmonds>And you talk about the other thing is it's the board has to make sure the leadership is correct and, uh, and making sure that, you know, the board can, as you know, set kind of the foundation, but they have to have the leadership in place to be able to make those changes.

947
01:31:30.340 --> 01:31:30.708
<v Loretta Smith>Exactly.

948
01:31:30.829 --> 01:31:31.012
<v Uriah Edmonds>Absolutely.

949
01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:32.496
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much for your answers.

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01:31:34.345 --> 01:31:34.829
<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

951
01:31:34.895 --> 01:31:39.603
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, we have one person signed up for public testimony, so I'm actually just gonna wait for myself until after that.

952
01:31:40.087 --> 01:31:41.828
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, Diego, could you please call our testifier?

953
01:31:42.886 --> 01:31:43.917
<v Sameer Kanal>And feel free to stay seated.

954
01:31:43.966 --> 01:31:44.524
<v Sameer Kanal>I think they're online.

955
01:31:46.868 --> 01:31:47.759
<v Unidentified speaker>Addie Smith.

956
01:31:48.908 --> 01:31:49.847
<v Unidentified speaker>Addie is online.

957
01:31:50.528 --> 01:31:52.568
<v Unidentified speaker>Just need a few seconds to get them in the room.

958
01:31:58.502 --> 01:32:01.912
<v Unidentified speaker>And Addie, if you can hear us, you may begin your testimony when you're ready.

959
01:32:06.380 --> 01:32:06.979
<v Addie Smith>Hello, can you hear me?

960
01:32:08.663 --> 01:32:09.587
<v Unidentified speaker>We can hear you.

961
01:32:09.895 --> 01:32:10.203
<v Jenny Kim>Thank you.

962
01:32:10.931 --> 01:32:12.908
<v Addie Smith>Hello, my name is Addie Smith.

963
01:32:13.055 --> 01:32:15.896
<v Addie Smith>Today is Wednesday, October 21st, 2026.

964
01:32:16.137 --> 01:32:21.403
<v Addie Smith>I'm speaking before the Portland City Council Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole meeting.

965
01:32:22.063 --> 01:32:29.778
<v Addie Smith>Today the council will be voting to appoint or Where are the Black people?

966
01:32:30.787 --> 01:32:33.979
<v Addie Smith>Thomas Kemper was a slumlord who worked in affordable housing.

967
01:32:34.813 --> 01:32:38.596
<v Addie Smith>Uriah Edmonds owns Bocelli's Ristorante.

968
01:32:39.447 --> 01:32:48.489
<v Addie Smith>I would like to know if these business owners donated any money to any of the current conservatives on the city council, either currently running for reelection or will be seeking reelection.

969
01:32:49.067 --> 01:32:52.289
<v Addie Smith>Have any Gresham city council members received donations from these business owners?

970
01:32:52.354 --> 01:32:52.819
<v Addie Smith>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

971
01:32:53.716 --> 01:33:03.837
<v Addie Smith>We all know who the conservatives are on the city council, and by now should have read the report on the donor households that donated to a Republican campaign and to city council conservative candidates.

972
01:33:05.023 --> 01:33:10.186
<v Addie Smith>Right now, as it stands, there appears to be only one Black commissioner on Home Forward's board.

973
01:33:10.492 --> 01:33:18.783
<v Addie Smith>That's Damian Hall, and he must be removed along with Jenny Kim, Kathy Keithley, Matthew Gebhardt, Jesse Ledezma, and Brianne Preston.

974
01:33:18.895 --> 01:33:19.006
<v Addie Smith>Thank you.

975
01:33:20.114 --> 01:33:32.850
<v Addie Smith>While the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Inspector General is investigating former HomeForward CEO Ivory Matthews, they should be investing— investigating HomeForward and its Board of Commissioners.

976
01:33:33.444 --> 01:33:37.265
<v Addie Smith>They approved all of the travel and expenses for Ms. Matthews.

977
01:33:38.100 --> 01:33:40.525
<v Addie Smith>It is a mistake to approve these appointments.

978
01:33:41.055 --> 01:33:41.890
<v Addie Smith>I am against it.

979
01:33:42.501 --> 01:33:46.194
<v Addie Smith>I vehemently reject the appointment of Thomas Kemper and Uriah Edmonds.

980
01:33:46.243 --> 01:33:46.354
<v Addie Smith>Second.

981
01:33:47.238 --> 01:33:52.247
<v Addie Smith>I want to read the email that I received from Chair Emeritus Matthew Gebhardt.

982
01:33:53.019 --> 01:33:53.725
<v Addie Smith>Hello, Ms. Smith.

983
01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.176
<v Addie Smith>There are no other resignations to report.

984
01:33:57.836 --> 01:34:05.447
<v Addie Smith>The Board of Commissioners has appointed Michael as the interim executive director, and he will be making any other hiring decisions that may be needed.

985
01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:10.905
<v Addie Smith>The board appreciates your offer and will not be appointing you to a position.

986
01:34:12.688 --> 01:34:18.210
<v Addie Smith>Allow me to inform all of you that I have never been asked to be appointed to the board.

987
01:34:19.109 --> 01:34:24.213
<v Addie Smith>Everyone here has allowed Matthew Gebhardt to discriminate against me with that email.

988
01:34:24.823 --> 01:34:30.057
<v Addie Smith>However, I would like to know why I wouldn't be considered or shouldn't be considered.

989
01:34:30.604 --> 01:34:34.746
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I would actually act with competence and actual knowledge?

990
01:34:35.484 --> 01:34:42.502
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I'm actually qualified and have actual experience to be on the board or to be hired to work there?

991
01:34:43.194 --> 01:34:44.576
<v Addie Smith>Is it because you don't like me?

992
01:34:44.881 --> 01:34:45.748
<v Addie Smith>Let's unpack that.

993
01:34:46.744 --> 01:34:50.296
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I wouldn't try to steal or hide money or play the game?

994
01:34:50.761 --> 01:34:52.015
<v Addie Smith>Please allow me to just finish.

995
01:34:52.305 --> 01:34:53.912
<v Addie Smith>I'm gonna go over the 3 minutes.

996
01:34:54.055 --> 01:34:54.394
<v Addie Smith>Please.

997
01:34:55.567 --> 01:34:56.402
<v Sameer Kanal>You have 30 seconds.

998
01:34:57.655 --> 01:35:03.150
<v Addie Smith>Or is it because I will not— is it because I will not know where the bodies are buried and keep it a secret?

999
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:04.548
<v Addie Smith>What's my disqualifier?

1000
01:35:05.143 --> 01:35:06.347
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I'm a Black woman?

1001
01:35:06.909 --> 01:35:08.323
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I'm outspoken?

1002
01:35:08.515 --> 01:35:10.652
<v Addie Smith>Someone email me and tell me what it is.

1003
01:35:11.390 --> 01:35:17.814
<v Addie Smith>Is it because I know matter of fact that Ian Davey should be terminated and Michael Bonocore never should have been hired to come back?

1004
01:35:18.859 --> 01:35:22.938
<v Addie Smith>He lacks the knowledge, experience, qualify— and qualifications.

1005
01:35:23.595 --> 01:35:30.036
<v Addie Smith>Matthew Gebhardt stepped down from the board chair after I emailed the board and the administrators about his email to me.

1006
01:35:30.261 --> 01:35:31.273
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for testifying.

1007
01:35:32.380 --> 01:35:32.733
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1008
01:35:37.828 --> 01:35:39.002
<v Unidentified speaker>That concludes testimony.

1009
01:35:39.837 --> 01:35:40.175
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1010
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:42.302
<v Sameer Kanal>We're going to reopen the queue.

1011
01:35:42.965 --> 01:35:47.355
<v Sameer Kanal>I know Councilor Koyama Lane has waited, so I'll go you and then myself.

1012
01:35:49.565 --> 01:35:50.242
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Chair.

1013
01:35:50.451 --> 01:35:52.430
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you everyone for being here today.

1014
01:35:53.265 --> 01:35:56.837
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Um, it's been great to hear from you and to learn more about your work.

1015
01:35:57.635 --> 01:36:04.573
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm wondering if any of you want to share how you envision working with us on council.

1016
01:36:05.056 --> 01:36:06.170
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>What would that look like?

1017
01:36:06.251 --> 01:36:10.983
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>What's the best form of communication with the board?

1018
01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:19.942
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And if you have any thoughts around that, and if there are ways that you think council can be engaging more or better.

1019
01:36:20.636 --> 01:36:21.994
<v Uriah Edmonds>Do you mind if I go first this time?

1020
01:36:23.086 --> 01:36:23.582
<v Uriah Edmonds>You okay?

1021
01:36:23.726 --> 01:36:25.521
<v Uriah Edmonds>All right, thank you.

1022
01:36:26.211 --> 01:36:35.425
<v Uriah Edmonds>Um, I think that, you know, there's, there's kind of processes in place for a reason to try to make sure communication stays valid between groups.

1023
01:36:35.761 --> 01:36:46.417
<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think a, a strong chair of a board should be able to help those communications, uh, just that way you're not getting a lot of cross-dialogue, right?

1024
01:36:46.898 --> 01:36:51.626
<v Uriah Edmonds>And I think that's really important that your, your chair kind of be that focal point.

1025
01:36:52.932 --> 01:37:05.567
<v Uriah Edmonds>But I'm always open to sit down for lunches and coffees and just really talk because I think openness is what's going to help us get through a lot of these other challenges that exist from everything.

1026
01:37:07.073 --> 01:37:13.148
<v Uriah Edmonds>But I would say that it needs to start with a chair, a strong chair position that gives you those communications.

1027
01:37:16.603 --> 01:37:18.193
<v Tom Kemper>I'm not sure how to respond to that.

1028
01:37:18.417 --> 01:37:20.328
<v Tom Kemper>I hadn't really thought about it.

1029
01:37:20.746 --> 01:37:25.530
<v Tom Kemper>I'd be open to any sort of dialogue or mechanism.

1030
01:37:27.007 --> 01:37:38.023
<v Tom Kemper>I know that there's— that the mayor's creating a task force to attack the housing issue, and maybe that's the right vehicle for dialogue.

1031
01:37:38.167 --> 01:37:52.725
<v Tom Kemper>But I mean, I'd be totally open to ongoing interaction with any councilor who wants to know what I'm thinking or experiencing as a board member.

1032
01:37:55.688 --> 01:37:58.255
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I didn't have like a right answer in my mind or anything.

1033
01:37:58.434 --> 01:37:59.555
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm really just wondering.

1034
01:37:59.993 --> 01:38:12.073
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>People do bring questions to us about Home Forward, and sometimes I feel like I wish I knew more and had more context chair Kim, do you want to share anything?

1035
01:38:12.139 --> 01:38:12.792
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>You don't have to.

1036
01:38:17.729 --> 01:38:21.734
<v Jenny Kim>I would say we are kind of rebuilding those relationships.

1037
01:38:22.412 --> 01:39:00.462
<v Jenny Kim>You know, it's been really wonderful to work with DCA Oliveira and with Mayor Wilson, and we're hoping that if we can have more of a full board worth that we have an opportunity to set up a future meeting with the council so we can have more discussions, and we're happy to share any information, talk about what we're doing, and also opportunity to explore potential partnerships and support that we can get from the city as well too, because our success definitely depends a lot on partnerships with the city and the county.

1038
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:12.577
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And currently, are there recurring meetings that are scheduled with Council President or Mayor, or are those set up kind of one at a time?

1039
01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:19.534
<v Jenny Kim>For now, um, we have— it hasn't been like regular cadence.

1040
01:39:19.855 --> 01:39:25.481
<v Jenny Kim>We do have a regular meeting set up with, like, for example, our labor union folks, and that has been established.

1041
01:39:25.988 --> 01:39:40.368
<v Jenny Kim>But we're trying to currently figure out what I think that makes sense, especially since we're so under— I guess we, you know, we don't have a full quorum or the full body of the commissioners right now, so we're a little stretched thin.

1042
01:39:41.666 --> 01:39:47.500
<v Jenny Kim>You know, the fact that we are volunteer commissioners and most of us have day jobs, we're trying to do what we can.

1043
01:39:47.676 --> 01:39:59.094
<v Jenny Kim>But we have had meetings with mayor, have done some property tours together, and have We've had, I would say, at least 1 or 2 meetings a month so far with the city and representative.

1044
01:40:00.041 --> 01:40:00.217
<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

1045
01:40:00.587 --> 01:40:01.630
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for sharing that.

1046
01:40:01.725 --> 01:40:11.886
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And it sounds like once this board kind of gets its footing, that there's a chance to think about what makes the most sense and think about how council can be engaging and supportive.

1047
01:40:12.625 --> 01:40:15.641
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And is, is Brian still on here?

1048
01:40:16.171 --> 01:40:16.427
<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah.

1049
01:40:16.974 --> 01:40:28.128
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I just wanted to say to Brian, I feel like it's very brave for you to share how you were And when I won 2 years ago, I was literally teaching in a 3rd grade classroom.

1050
01:40:28.835 --> 01:40:33.311
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And being on this dais made me feel sick to my stomach and I hated talking.

1051
01:40:33.425 --> 01:40:34.372
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I still don't love it.

1052
01:40:34.532 --> 01:40:38.576
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But just want you to know that, like, that's part of why we need you here.

1053
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:50.228
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We need people that maybe aren't always in these spaces or don't, like, feel super comfortable or necessarily even, like, want the spotlight or want to be talking into the microphone all the time.

1054
01:40:50.292 --> 01:40:51.591
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So please know that you are—.

1055
01:40:51.591 --> 01:40:52.009
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith.

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01:40:53.087 --> 01:40:56.065
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Your background and what you're bringing is really valuable.

1057
01:40:56.389 --> 01:40:59.529
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And also know at the end of the day, like, no one's watching this really.

1058
01:40:59.868 --> 01:41:01.842
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's my mom, like, on YouTube.

1059
01:41:01.988 --> 01:41:03.363
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Like, it's— don't worry about it.

1060
01:41:03.622 --> 01:41:04.252
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Doing great.

1061
01:41:04.979 --> 01:41:08.618
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

1062
01:41:08.698 --> 01:41:09.765
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm next in the queue.

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01:41:11.037 --> 01:41:15.706
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm gonna just get this out of the way because I think it may help frame other questions.

1064
01:41:15.914 --> 01:41:21.307
<v Sameer Kanal>I have no intention of of having any concern around the 3 particular nominees.

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01:41:22.141 --> 01:41:33.318
<v Sameer Kanal>For several, first with Mr. Edmonds, your qualifications, but also the fact that I think our IGA talks about, you know, we're effectively making sure there's no issue with Gresham's nomination.

1066
01:41:33.367 --> 01:41:35.194
<v Sameer Kanal>I wanna honor that IGA as well.

1067
01:41:35.291 --> 01:41:36.829
<v Sameer Kanal>But even otherwise, I agree.

1068
01:41:38.001 --> 01:41:47.094
<v Sameer Kanal>With our 2 Portland representatives, I think it's important for us to exercise a little bit more assessment discretion and things like that.

1069
01:41:47.743 --> 01:42:04.225
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'll just note, we, you know, when there was a leadership change over at Home Forward, there were colleagues of ours, including colleagues who are here and colleagues that are not, who talked about making larger-scale changes to the Home Forward board.

1070
01:42:04.372 --> 01:42:09.929
<v Sameer Kanal>Not looking, not waiting for attrition, but actually actively going in and making changes.

1071
01:42:10.740 --> 01:42:12.652
<v Sameer Kanal>You've heard that referenced earlier today as well.

1072
01:42:12.716 --> 01:42:24.679
<v Sameer Kanal>And I spoke to, I spoke to Interim Director Bonaccor about it, and it helped me get an understanding of what the situation was and how leadership change is best able to happen.

1073
01:42:25.626 --> 01:42:27.216
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm disappointed that he's not here.

1074
01:42:28.083 --> 01:42:33.546
<v Sameer Kanal>Can you speak to why we're hearing from the city side and not from Home Forward's leadership?

1075
01:42:34.108 --> 01:42:36.212
<v Donnie Oliveira>Thanks for the question, Chair.

1076
01:42:36.292 --> 01:42:49.841
<v Donnie Oliveira>Well, first, the board, the Home Forward board chair is here, And given that these appointments— well, one, Council President Keithley's here from Bridgeton to represent that appointment.

1077
01:42:49.904 --> 01:42:54.344
<v Donnie Oliveira>And then essentially on behalf of the mayor, I'm here representing the 2 Portland appointments.

1078
01:42:55.701 --> 01:43:00.962
<v Donnie Oliveira>As a reminder, the mayor makes these recommendations to you all, not the ED of Home Forward.

1079
01:43:01.448 --> 01:43:03.818
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, that makes sense.

1080
01:43:05.845 --> 01:43:09.408
<v Sameer Kanal>We have kind of used these appointments at council in the last yeah.

1081
01:43:09.457 --> 01:43:15.636
<v Sameer Kanal>Over the last, you know, year and 9 months as sort of a soft oversight opportunity for the things that are being appointed to.

1082
01:43:17.340 --> 01:43:19.798
<v Sameer Kanal>That opportunity is not really present today.

1083
01:43:19.961 --> 01:43:27.939
<v Sameer Kanal>And so you will notice in my chair's update that Home Forward has been added back to the list that it had been removed from of potential oversight topics.

1084
01:43:27.988 --> 01:43:34.377
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just want to flag that for everybody, that that's something that I think needs to happen at this point.

1085
01:43:34.608 --> 01:43:41.335
<v Sameer Kanal>I, again, am disappointed, have a lot of respect for interim Director Bonaccor and want to make sure that that conversation can happen.

1086
01:43:46.192 --> 01:43:46.628
<v Sameer Kanal>I agree.

1087
01:43:46.743 --> 01:43:50.659
<v Sameer Kanal>I can't remember which colleague brought up the idea of having more than one resident commissioner.

1088
01:43:50.708 --> 01:43:51.792
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's a great idea.

1089
01:43:51.858 --> 01:43:52.051
<v Sameer Kanal>While—.

1090
01:43:52.262 --> 01:43:53.360
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Vice Chair Ryan.

1091
01:43:54.115 --> 01:43:59.145
<v Sameer Kanal>There was another person who was being considered earlier who's come and testified that would be great.

1092
01:43:59.885 --> 01:44:05.460
<v Sameer Kanal>While there's one, I can't think of a better set of qualifications than what I saw from Brian Harvey.

1093
01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:14.680
<v Sameer Kanal>And I wanted to follow I just wanted to follow up on a question that, um, uh, the response that I got that, that he gave to, um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question earlier.

1094
01:44:15.287 --> 01:44:18.269
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and it's really a question for, for you, DCA Oliveira.

1095
01:44:18.894 --> 01:44:30.783
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, Brian responded that he would need, in order to help with other unit, other buildings, contact info and the ability to enter the building in order to help tenants fight for themselves in towers that, that he wouldn't otherwise have access to.

1096
01:44:31.311 --> 01:44:38.082
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, can you confirm that Home Forward board members I'd actually like to defer that to the chair.

1097
01:44:39.335 --> 01:44:41.166
<v Donnie Oliveira>Chair Kim, can you answer that question?

1098
01:44:42.481 --> 01:44:45.903
<v Jenny Kim>Yeah, none of us have automatic access to any of the buildings.

1099
01:44:46.657 --> 01:44:47.701
<v Jenny Kim>We do not have that.

1100
01:44:47.926 --> 01:44:59.069
<v Jenny Kim>The only access that we have regularly is to our main office building in downtown where we hold our committee meetings and our work sessions.

1101
01:45:00.077 --> 01:45:11.109
<v Jenny Kim>When we do have an opportunity to visit, it's normally because we have a community event or a local property manager who allows us to access.

1102
01:45:11.207 --> 01:45:12.628
<v Jenny Kim>So it's not an automatic access.

1103
01:45:13.211 --> 01:45:21.908
<v Jenny Kim>And I do think that from safety, it's probably better that way, but that's something that we can talk about later.

1104
01:45:22.793 --> 01:45:23.807
<v Tom Kemper>Can we change that?

1105
01:45:25.529 --> 01:45:29.838
<v Sameer Kanal>That sounds like a question for you, Board Chair Kemp.

1106
01:45:30.143 --> 01:45:33.395
<v Jenny Kim>Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if that's something that we can decide right now.

1107
01:45:33.524 --> 01:45:38.219
<v Jenny Kim>I would like to have a conversation with our senior leadership team and Michael.

1108
01:45:39.292 --> 01:45:42.529
<v Jenny Kim>There may be consequences or challenges with logistics.

1109
01:45:42.578 --> 01:45:53.666
<v Jenny Kim>I'm not a tech person when it comes to FOBs and access, but I can definitely take that back into consideration and discuss it with the board and the leadership Mr.

1110
01:45:53.713 --> 01:46:00.972
<v Sameer Kanal>Kemper, when you were at Central Oregon Housing Authority, did board members have the ability to enter and take a look and do inspections?

1111
01:46:01.806 --> 01:46:02.030
<v Tom Kemper>No.

1112
01:46:02.463 --> 01:46:06.453
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, that's really concerning to me.

1113
01:46:06.757 --> 01:46:13.408
<v Sameer Kanal>I've been to Louisa Flowers, I've been to Dawson Park Apartments, Hollywood Park, the tower that's mentioned in the article that Councilor Novick mentioned.

1114
01:46:13.488 --> 01:46:17.158
<v Sameer Kanal>These are all in my district that I share with Councilor Ryan and Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1115
01:46:18.456 --> 01:46:23.537
<v Sameer Kanal>And the— I want board members to be able to go in and see and talk to the residents.

1116
01:46:24.226 --> 01:46:24.579
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm—.

1117
01:46:24.724 --> 01:46:26.663
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't even know.

1118
01:46:27.546 --> 01:46:40.497
<v Sameer Kanal>It's answers like this that give me pause about making granular changes to board members that I want to support each of your appointments, but it makes me think that maybe we should be having the broader conversation about cleaning house.

1119
01:46:41.300 --> 01:46:50.670
<v Sameer Kanal>That really concerns me when I hear that, that That has nothing to do with your appointments.

1120
01:46:50.670 --> 01:46:54.479
<v Sameer Kanal>It's not going to affect my vote, but I want to at least daylight that issue here.

1121
01:46:55.689 --> 01:46:56.289
<v Donnie Oliveira>Oh, sorry.

1122
01:46:56.289 --> 01:46:59.890
<v Donnie Oliveira>I just want to point out Council President Keithley has her hand raised.

1123
01:46:59.890 --> 01:47:00.430
<v Candace Avalos>Oh, great.

1124
01:47:00.430 --> 01:47:02.869
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, please.

1125
01:47:02.869 --> 01:47:10.609
<v Unidentified speaker>I just wanted to share that it certainly— I was appointed vice chair along with the new chair, and we have had a lot had of conversations about the role of the vice chair.

1126
01:47:10.836 --> 01:47:15.583
<v Unidentified speaker>Meetings at different, um, uh, units when we do meet.

1127
01:47:16.048 --> 01:47:20.908
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I don't know that right now it would be for me.

1128
01:47:21.837 --> 01:47:22.783
<v Unidentified speaker>It's been brought up.

1129
01:47:22.881 --> 01:47:24.900
<v Unidentified speaker>We absolutely should consider it as a board.

1130
01:47:26.072 --> 01:47:30.595
<v Unidentified speaker>What would be important is to identify what is exactly the purpose of us.

1131
01:47:30.722 --> 01:47:33.833
<v Unidentified speaker>What are we trying to accomplish by giving access to board members?

1132
01:47:34.346 --> 01:47:49.667
<v Unidentified speaker>As soon as we identify what those I think that as we tried to balance tenants and safety of community members, we also have to balance safety in properties at large.

1133
01:47:50.597 --> 01:48:10.542
<v Unidentified speaker>And every time we add somebody that can just wander in— I'm not saying at all that I'm against looking into that, but I think that that would be the board's purview to really ask questions as, um, Uriah talked about and have clear, definitive objectives and then go about finding out the best way to meet those objectives.

1134
01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:13.189
<v Unidentified speaker>That would be my recommendation.

1135
01:48:14.264 --> 01:48:17.890
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that answer, and I do think it— I'm not looking for a commitment.

1136
01:48:18.018 --> 01:48:22.012
<v Sameer Kanal>I honestly thought the answer was going to be yes when I asked that question and that we'd be moving on in 5 seconds.

1137
01:48:22.911 --> 01:48:27.354
<v Sameer Kanal>I was not prepared to have a long conversation on it from that perspective.

1138
01:48:28.270 --> 01:48:33.588
<v Sameer Kanal>But not looking for a commitment to change a policy here live, but to have the conversation about it makes sense.

1139
01:48:33.653 --> 01:48:35.207
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate the approach there.

1140
01:48:35.752 --> 01:48:47.944
<v Sameer Kanal>I do think that the people that we are entrusting, elected officials are voting to appoint, having access to the common areas makes sense to be able to do site visits and to meet and get to know some of the residents.

1141
01:48:48.793 --> 01:48:53.231
<v Sameer Kanal>Because having met with several residents in several of these buildings, there's some discontent.

1142
01:48:54.257 --> 01:48:58.286
<v Sameer Kanal>Not necessarily with Home Forward directly, but with the The property managers.

1143
01:48:59.604 --> 01:49:14.590
<v Sameer Kanal>And I, because I kind of spent more time on that particular point than I wanted to, I won't dig too deep into this except to say that that's a conversation that should be had on its own about property managers and the selections.

1144
01:49:14.637 --> 01:49:15.619
<v Sameer Kanal>We've mentioned a couple.

1145
01:49:15.667 --> 01:49:22.668
<v Sameer Kanal>I won't, you know, try to embarrass any one company, but there are companies that were mentioned today that have been in this conversation.

1146
01:49:22.810 --> 01:49:34.328
<v Sameer Kanal>That, that have been under, uh, a lot of scrutiny in some buildings and also praised in others because it's, it's actually very much about the company but also the specific staff, obviously, as, as I'm sure you all know.

1147
01:49:35.006 --> 01:49:47.118
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, who— um, Brian, uh, thanks so much again for being here, and I am excited to have you be on this.

1148
01:49:47.408 --> 01:49:59.069
<v Sameer Kanal>I think having someone who, um, can organize Um, will be very helpful for the people, uh, in, in the buildings that I mentioned earlier.

1149
01:49:59.599 --> 01:50:04.470
<v Sameer Kanal>And I guess I'd invite all 3 of you, but in particular our 2 Portland appointees.

1150
01:50:05.046 --> 01:50:21.979
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I will set up the tours if, if needed because I have managed to get into— and Home Forward management has been very helpful when I've asked, um, to have the ability to go see a, um, a building so I'm happy to do that if you ever need it, and please feel free to reach out to council about it.

1151
01:50:22.461 --> 01:50:38.516
<v Sameer Kanal>But what I'd ask for you both to do is to not accept the idea that speaking to the city means speaking to the elected leaders, because it only means what— like, the explanation in response to Councilor Koyama Lane's question was all about meeting with the mayor.

1152
01:50:38.837 --> 01:50:39.720
<v Sameer Kanal>You should meet with the mayor.

1153
01:50:39.962 --> 01:50:40.315
<v Sameer Kanal>That's good.

1154
01:50:40.685 --> 01:50:41.167
<v Sameer Kanal>Please do.

1155
01:50:41.631 --> 01:50:42.323
<v Sameer Kanal>That's not meeting with the council.

1156
01:50:42.371 --> 01:50:42.498
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1157
01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:58.520
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I would love it if there was a strategy to speak to, and I don't think it's necessarily your obligation, Mr. Edmonds, to speak to the Portland City Council, but to our Portland representatives to please feel free to reach out.

1158
01:50:58.585 --> 01:51:06.420
<v Sameer Kanal>Please feel a need to reach out because we are hearing a lot from our constituents in a lot of different directions.

1159
01:51:07.494 --> 01:51:17.216
<v Sameer Kanal>The last question I wanted to ask is, Is kind of to Councilor Novick's point about the balances that you strike.

1160
01:51:18.118 --> 01:51:36.167
<v Sameer Kanal>There have been some conversations around the screening criteria, and there was a change made in 2022, I believe, to the screening criteria used by Home Forward that deals kind of in a very narrow way to Councilor Novick's question.

1161
01:51:36.261 --> 01:51:36.373
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1162
01:51:37.229 --> 01:51:43.806
<v Sameer Kanal>And my question for you is, how would you— what would be your process for evaluating?

1163
01:51:44.787 --> 01:51:50.896
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't care what the outcome is right now, but what would be your process for evaluating if changes should be made to screening criteria?

1164
01:51:51.298 --> 01:51:54.514
<v Sameer Kanal>How would you— what would be your steps for getting to an answer?

1165
01:51:56.856 --> 01:52:02.399
<v Tom Kemper>I think I would be talking to the existing staff about what their recommendations are.

1166
01:52:03.253 --> 01:52:17.577
<v Tom Kemper>And then I'd go talk to a bunch of property management companies and what they're doing, what they're seeing, what they're recommending, and try to get, you know, kind of a consensus of, of what the, the right answer would be.

1167
01:52:17.865 --> 01:52:23.854
<v Tom Kemper>But I think you really got to talk to a bunch of people about, you know, what they're experiencing and what they're recommending.

1168
01:52:24.529 --> 01:52:25.573
<v Tom Kemper>That's how I would approach it.

1169
01:52:25.653 --> 01:52:27.338
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1170
01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:30.952
<v Sameer Kanal>And I guess same question for you, Brian.

1171
01:52:35.585 --> 01:52:38.444
<v Unidentified speaker>And sorry, I was listening, but what was the question?

1172
01:52:39.280 --> 01:52:55.978
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, the screening criteria that Home Forward uses to determine should somebody be allowed to rent here, should someone be allowed to stay renting here, there's been a lot of talk about whether that change that was made a couple years ago is good, whether there should be further changes.

1173
01:52:56.189 --> 01:52:59.801
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm just curious If someone brought a proposed change to you, how would you evaluate?

1174
01:52:59.850 --> 01:53:03.215
<v Sameer Kanal>What's your— what would you be doing to get to an answer?

1175
01:53:04.176 --> 01:53:04.304
<v Unidentified speaker>Sure.

1176
01:53:05.009 --> 01:53:06.627
<v Unidentified speaker>So there has been some reporting.

1177
01:53:06.756 --> 01:53:13.694
<v Unidentified speaker>I think Willamette Week had a breakdown of the statistics that they thought were relevant for that policy decision.

1178
01:53:14.287 --> 01:53:16.850
<v Unidentified speaker>I would hope that Home Forward could come up with their own.

1179
01:53:17.314 --> 01:53:30.925
<v Unidentified speaker>I would like some type of in-house numbers that show what we were expecting and what thanks.

1180
01:53:30.988 --> 01:53:31.752
<v Sameer Kanal>That's it for me.

1181
01:53:32.546 --> 01:53:35.484
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith or Ryan, are either those legacy hands or are those both real?

1182
01:53:37.287 --> 01:53:37.528
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1183
01:53:37.704 --> 01:53:38.235
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Ryan?

1184
01:53:38.413 --> 01:53:38.752
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

1185
01:53:40.523 --> 01:53:41.600
<v Sameer Kanal>And then we'll move on after that.

1186
01:53:41.649 --> 01:53:42.244
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Chair.

1187
01:53:42.453 --> 01:53:44.498
<v Dan Ryan>I want to elaborate on 2 points.

1188
01:53:44.707 --> 01:53:50.072
<v Dan Ryan>The survey of residents, and I think the data was more looking at big picture on Home Forward.

1189
01:53:50.594 --> 01:53:56.841
<v Dan Ryan>We've been talking a lot about the management firms, the management, the property management companies.

1190
01:53:57.436 --> 01:54:00.877
<v Dan Ryan>And I've experienced that as a systemic challenge.

1191
01:54:01.314 --> 01:54:07.806
<v Dan Ryan>I think that, I think they've all been saying the same thing to me over the last 5 to 6 years.

1192
01:54:08.631 --> 01:54:13.434
<v Dan Ryan>And I think that there needs to be them as a key audience.

1193
01:54:13.498 --> 01:54:14.979
<v Dan Ryan>Because here's what I really think.

1194
01:54:15.028 --> 01:54:19.654
<v Dan Ryan>I think that this editorial comment that we did a good job building A lot of new facilities.

1195
01:54:20.729 --> 01:54:25.832
<v Dan Ryan>I don't think we were prepared for the management challenges of this era that we're in.

1196
01:54:27.229 --> 01:54:30.663
<v Dan Ryan>And the elephant in the room is fentanyl.

1197
01:54:31.001 --> 01:54:44.689
<v Dan Ryan>There's been a lot of reports of drug use and sales on the floors in my district and how uncomfortable people are to dance around that issue, literally even feeling safe to report it, if you will.

1198
01:54:44.770 --> 01:54:56.073
<v Dan Ryan>Well, so, um, and I think that what I'd hear from the management folks is that they don't have the staffing to manage some of these challenges and that they're not set up to be successful.

1199
01:54:57.519 --> 01:55:03.757
<v Dan Ryan>And so I just, I just hope that you realize how deep this, um, commitment is right now.

1200
01:55:04.356 --> 01:55:11.353
<v Dan Ryan>You're all entering, um, at a time where stuff that's been talked about for 6 years is finally really out in the open.

1201
01:55:11.417 --> 01:55:11.579
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1202
01:55:12.627 --> 01:55:21.604
<v Dan Ryan>And you're the board at this moment that has to guide a culture differently than it was guided prior to that.

1203
01:55:22.601 --> 01:55:28.050
<v Dan Ryan>But I think the blaming isn't really the solution as much as what are the standards?

1204
01:55:28.162 --> 01:55:53.600
<v Dan Ryan>What seems like we're not providing enough support, big we, government included, on how to manage the projects and I've gone to way too many ribbon cuttings, and then within a year later, I hear about vacancy rates that are uncomfortable, and I hear about conditions that are really, really sad.

1205
01:55:54.487 --> 01:56:00.868
<v Dan Ryan>And I think that there just needs to be some honest dialogue with all of these groups.

1206
01:56:01.738 --> 01:56:13.118
<v Dan Ryan>In your time in the city, Councilor Green, Central Oregon, can you think of some incidents that came up that allowed you to really look at some big systemic changes that needed to take place?

1207
01:56:13.792 --> 01:56:19.913
<v Dan Ryan>Because maybe what was working in the past, the staffing model, what kind of staff you need.

1208
01:56:20.057 --> 01:56:25.073
<v Dan Ryan>I just kept hearing labor force challenges from those who were doing the property management.

1209
01:56:25.185 --> 01:56:28.903
<v Dan Ryan>One, challenge to keep the employees, and two, not thinking they had enough.

1210
01:56:28.951 --> 01:56:28.998
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

1211
01:56:29.079 --> 01:56:37.310
<v Dan Ryan>Enough of them, and then 3, not having maybe the skill sets that were required to meet the needs and the challenge of the residents.

1212
01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:42.635
<v Tom Kemper>Property management is a very difficult business.

1213
01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:50.108
<v Tom Kemper>You know, I, I've been— I've used so many property— different, different property managers over the years.

1214
01:56:50.931 --> 01:56:52.190
<v Tom Kemper>It's very frustrating.

1215
01:56:52.239 --> 01:57:00.155
<v Tom Kemper>In Central Oregon, we actually got to a place where we ended up forming our own property management company.

1216
01:57:00.594 --> 01:57:15.243
<v Tom Kemper>We had developed more than— we had a portfolio of like 700 units, which, you know, you could scale to actually create the infrastructure to have our own property management company.

1217
01:57:15.307 --> 01:57:16.216
<v Tom Kemper>And so we did that.

1218
01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:18.176
<v Dan Ryan>Conditions improve?

1219
01:57:18.614 --> 01:57:18.875
<v Tom Kemper>Pardon?

1220
01:57:19.037 --> 01:57:20.420
<v Dan Ryan>Did conditions improve after that?

1221
01:57:20.484 --> 01:57:20.712
<v Dan Ryan>Oh yeah.

1222
01:57:21.728 --> 01:57:24.532
<v Tom Kemper>It all boils down to people and money, really.

1223
01:57:24.725 --> 01:57:26.319
<v Tom Kemper>I mean, that's really what you're talking about.

1224
01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:34.574
<v Tom Kemper>Because when somebody says they don't have enough staffing, it's a money issue and it's hiring the right people.

1225
01:57:36.997 --> 01:57:41.323
<v Tom Kemper>And so it worked, it did improve.

1226
01:57:42.831 --> 01:57:58.037
<v Tom Kemper>But after, unfortunately, I retired in 2018, and after pandemic, their management made some bad decisions and they ended up replacing Epic with another third-party property management company.

1227
01:57:58.921 --> 01:58:02.103
<v Tom Kemper>But I think it was, it was a management issue.

1228
01:58:02.231 --> 01:58:04.319
<v Tom Kemper>They had the wrong people involved.

1229
01:58:04.385 --> 01:58:13.189
<v Tom Kemper>And so I think it really does boil down to the who and financially how you support those organizations.

1230
01:58:13.270 --> 01:58:17.442
<v Tom Kemper>Because it is, it is a very difficult business.

1231
01:58:17.715 --> 01:58:28.548
<v Tom Kemper>I mean, I've been, uh, I've been, you know, on the ownership side for a long, long time, and I— it's— that's the hardest part, is the property management.

1232
01:58:29.127 --> 01:58:37.184
<v Tom Kemper>It's very difficult, and it's even more difficult today given all the, the impacts in this, you know, the issues that we talked about earlier.

1233
01:58:37.231 --> 01:58:37.585
<v Tom Kemper>It's just hard.

1234
01:58:38.484 --> 01:58:38.756
<v Tom Kemper>Thank you.

1235
01:58:38.949 --> 01:58:48.447
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I think it was around 2022 where I had the responsibility as Housing Commissioner to make calls to say, you were awarded this new contract.

1236
01:58:49.072 --> 01:58:53.420
<v Dan Ryan>And I started getting pushback like, I don't know if I want it.

1237
01:58:53.645 --> 01:58:55.521
<v Dan Ryan>Like, you know, like this is getting really hard.

1238
01:58:56.067 --> 01:59:02.467
<v Dan Ryan>And I don't know if Home Forward, the city's providing enough money to manage the property in the way that we need to.

1239
01:59:03.046 --> 01:59:03.286
<v Dan Ryan>So—.

1240
01:59:03.286 --> 01:59:07.764
<v Tom Kemper>I think Mr. Edmonds pointed out the service side is so critical.

1241
01:59:08.646 --> 01:59:10.895
<v Tom Kemper>And, you know, again, I think that's a money issue.

1242
01:59:11.313 --> 01:59:13.865
<v Tom Kemper>And it's— well, it's also, you know, hiring the right people.

1243
01:59:14.507 --> 01:59:18.024
<v Tom Kemper>But I mean, I— it— again, I think it boils down to the who.

1244
01:59:18.618 --> 01:59:23.274
<v Tom Kemper>And, you know, do you support it effectively with enough money?

1245
01:59:23.676 --> 01:59:24.542
<v Dan Ryan>I really appreciate this.

1246
01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:33.837
<v Dan Ryan>I think what you're experiencing is how important it is for the council to really have this type of authentic dialogue concerning what we have been listening to for some time.

1247
01:59:34.494 --> 01:59:36.420
<v Dan Ryan>And so I think we're on the right track.

1248
01:59:36.740 --> 01:59:45.100
<v Dan Ryan>We just have to keep unearthing all of what people are seeing or hearing about and make sure that we get a handle on it.

1249
01:59:45.501 --> 01:59:47.073
<v Tom Kemper>And have high expectations.

1250
01:59:47.810 --> 01:59:48.693
<v Dan Ryan>Extremely so.

1251
01:59:48.854 --> 01:59:49.832
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, yeah.

1252
01:59:49.993 --> 01:59:51.372
<v Dan Ryan>There's so much more to talk about.

1253
01:59:51.435 --> 01:59:54.917
<v Dan Ryan>I look forward to having a dialogue with you and the board in the future.

1254
01:59:55.511 --> 01:59:56.859
<v Dan Ryan>And thank you again.

1255
01:59:57.148 --> 01:59:59.474
<v Dan Ryan>Supporting all 3 of you for this appointment.

1256
01:59:59.537 --> 01:59:59.971
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1257
02:00:00.742 --> 02:00:02.202
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Councilor Ryan.

1258
02:00:02.250 --> 02:00:04.479
<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing no one else in the queue, this is a resolution.

1259
02:00:04.591 --> 02:00:06.485
<v Sameer Kanal>It does not need a, uh, separate motion.

1260
02:00:06.613 --> 02:00:13.047
<v Sameer Kanal>So there is a, uh, I think we have a vote on whether or not to refer each of these separately on.

1261
02:00:13.273 --> 02:00:19.337
<v Sameer Kanal>So the first one is our 2 Portland appointees, and the second one is our Gresham appointee to the full council.

1262
02:00:19.979 --> 02:00:22.274
<v Sameer Kanal>Is that correct, Diego?

1263
02:00:22.546 --> 02:00:24.856
<v Unidentified speaker>I believe we need a motion and a second.

1264
02:00:24.953 --> 02:00:25.578
<v Sameer Kanal>We do need a motion.

1265
02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:28.824
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, is there a motion to refer on the Portland appointees?

1266
02:00:28.873 --> 02:00:29.668
<v Sameer Kanal>Let's start with the first one.

1267
02:00:30.252 --> 02:00:30.675
<v Steve Novick>So moved.

1268
02:00:30.983 --> 02:00:31.306
<v Dan Ryan>Second.

1269
02:00:31.551 --> 02:00:33.627
<v Sameer Kanal>Moved by Councilor Novick, seconded by Ryan.

1270
02:00:34.399 --> 02:00:36.500
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, let's do this one and then I'll ask for the motion on the other one.

1271
02:00:36.565 --> 02:00:37.730
<v Sameer Kanal>Diego, will you please call the roll?

1272
02:00:42.426 --> 02:00:45.166
<v Unidentified speaker>Motion by Novick, seconded by Ryan.

1273
02:00:45.992 --> 02:00:46.349
<v Unidentified speaker>Clark?

1274
02:00:47.451 --> 02:00:47.466
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1275
02:00:48.439 --> 02:00:48.730
<v Unidentified speaker>Green?

1276
02:00:49.898 --> 02:00:50.082
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1277
02:00:51.238 --> 02:00:51.521
<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos?

1278
02:00:52.680 --> 02:00:52.712
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1279
02:00:54.405 --> 02:00:54.777
<v Unidentified speaker>Smith?

1280
02:00:56.083 --> 02:00:56.132
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1281
02:01:01.921 --> 02:01:06.228
<v Unidentified speaker>Novick?

1282
02:01:06.550 --> 02:01:06.597
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1283
02:01:08.975 --> 02:01:11.842
<v Unidentified speaker>With 10 ayes and 2 absent, the motion carries.

1284
02:01:11.956 --> 02:01:13.037
<v Eric Zimmerman>This is Councilor Zimmerman, aye.

1285
02:01:14.521 --> 02:01:16.960
<v Unidentified speaker>Oh, one moment.

1286
02:01:19.533 --> 02:01:25.692
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I'll just— just to be sure that that was okay, is there unanimous consent for allowing that?

1287
02:01:25.756 --> 02:01:31.097
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know where in the process of announcing the vote you were, but I'm not seeing any objection to counting that vote.

1288
02:01:31.989 --> 02:01:32.460
<v Loretta Smith>Let him vote.

1289
02:01:32.573 --> 02:01:34.097
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, go for it, Diego.

1290
02:01:37.444 --> 02:01:39.655
<v Unidentified speaker>If it's all right, I'll rerun the vote.

1291
02:01:40.761 --> 02:01:41.185
<v Keelan McClymont>Clerk?

1292
02:01:45.523 --> 02:01:45.570
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1293
02:01:47.463 --> 02:01:47.511
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1294
02:01:49.081 --> 02:01:49.096
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1295
02:01:52.395 --> 02:01:52.476
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1296
02:01:52.978 --> 02:01:53.011
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1297
02:01:54.190 --> 02:01:54.207
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1298
02:01:55.144 --> 02:01:55.322
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1299
02:01:55.984 --> 02:01:56.323
<v Unidentified speaker>Ryan.

1300
02:01:59.305 --> 02:01:59.354
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1301
02:02:00.109 --> 02:02:00.640
<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane.

1302
02:02:01.458 --> 02:02:01.636
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1303
02:02:02.069 --> 02:02:02.649
<v Unidentified speaker>Murillo.

1304
02:02:03.548 --> 02:02:03.564
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1305
02:02:04.271 --> 02:02:04.673
<v Unidentified speaker>Novick.

1306
02:02:04.994 --> 02:02:05.043
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1307
02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:16.773
<v Unidentified speaker>With 11 ayes and 1 absent, the motion carries and the resolution Document number 2026-341 moves to the full council with the recommendation it be adopted.

1308
02:02:18.050 --> 02:02:19.770
<v Sameer Kanal>I was an aye too, for the record, but it's good.

1309
02:02:20.670 --> 02:02:31.872
<v Sameer Kanal>Is there a motion for— to refer the other resolution, that's Resolution 2026-342 from Mr. Edmonds, to the council with a do pass recommendation?

1310
02:02:33.657 --> 02:02:34.154
<v Dan Ryan>So moved.

1311
02:02:34.556 --> 02:02:35.328
<v Sameer Kanal>Moved by Councilor Ryan.

1312
02:02:38.011 --> 02:02:38.253
<v Steve Novick>Second.

1313
02:02:38.899 --> 02:02:40.012
<v Sameer Kanal>Seconded by Councilor Novick.

1314
02:02:40.061 --> 02:02:42.868
<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing no one else in the queue, Diego, will you please call the roll on this one?

1315
02:02:44.380 --> 02:02:44.637
<v Unidentified speaker>Clark.

1316
02:02:45.528 --> 02:02:45.657
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1317
02:02:46.676 --> 02:02:46.966
<v Unidentified speaker>Green.

1318
02:02:47.710 --> 02:02:47.887
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1319
02:02:48.631 --> 02:02:48.988
<v Unidentified speaker>Zimmerman.

1320
02:02:51.181 --> 02:02:51.488
<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos.

1321
02:02:52.148 --> 02:02:52.613
<v Steve Novick>Avalos.

1322
02:02:53.354 --> 02:02:53.661
<v Unidentified speaker>Smith.

1323
02:02:54.127 --> 02:02:54.546
<v Olivia Clark>Smith.

1324
02:02:55.382 --> 02:02:56.011
<v Unidentified speaker>Pirtle-Guiney.

1325
02:02:57.159 --> 02:02:57.701
<v Olivia Clark>Pirtle-Guiney.

1326
02:02:58.373 --> 02:02:58.685
<v Unidentified speaker>Ryan.

1327
02:02:59.292 --> 02:03:01.063
<v Sameer Kanal>Ryan.

1328
02:03:01.260 --> 02:03:01.636
<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane.

1329
02:03:03.270 --> 02:03:03.287
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1330
02:03:04.962 --> 02:03:05.010
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1331
02:03:06.733 --> 02:03:06.782
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1332
02:03:08.021 --> 02:03:08.069
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1333
02:03:10.051 --> 02:03:21.097
<v Unidentified speaker>With 11 ayes and 1 absent, the motion carries and the resolution, document number 2026-342, moves to the full council with a recommendation it be adopted.

1334
02:03:22.113 --> 02:03:22.692
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, everybody.

1335
02:03:22.773 --> 02:03:23.641
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for stepping up.

1336
02:03:23.899 --> 02:03:27.168
<v Sameer Kanal>We have 2 items left on our agenda, but we're gonna take a short break.

1337
02:03:27.556 --> 02:03:29.648
<v Sameer Kanal>Please be back in 11 minutes at 4:10.

1338
02:03:30.318 --> 02:03:30.578
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1339
02:03:31.069 --> 02:03:33.002
<v Sameer Kanal>We're recessed.

1340
02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:51.155
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1341
02:17:00.832 --> 02:17:07.033
<v Sameer Kanal>We are at 6 unless somebody online can turn on their camera, uh, beyond the 2 who already have.

1342
02:17:07.082 --> 02:17:07.579
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you to you.

1343
02:17:08.382 --> 02:17:11.966
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, we are back in session.

1344
02:17:12.174 --> 02:17:16.706
<v Sameer Kanal>It may not look like we have quorum, but we do with the folks online, uh, so thank you.

1345
02:17:17.444 --> 02:17:30.945
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, Diego, can you please call item Item 6, document number 2026-375, appoint alternate members to the Community Board for Police Accountability.

1346
02:17:31.748 --> 02:17:32.149
<v Sameer Kanal>Great.

1347
02:17:32.454 --> 02:17:37.993
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, senior— no, Chief Deputy City Attorney Heidi Brown, please take it away.

1348
02:17:38.635 --> 02:17:38.956
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1349
02:17:39.212 --> 02:17:40.786
<v Nancy Thorington>Good afternoon, Chair, councilors.

1350
02:17:40.897 --> 02:17:42.229
<v Nancy Thorington>Good to see you all this afternoon.

1351
02:17:42.888 --> 02:17:52.105
<v Nancy Thorington>Um, this resolution is part of a non-monetary settlement agreement That resolves a lawsuit brought by Mr. Weinstein.

1352
02:17:52.523 --> 02:17:58.458
<v Nancy Thorington>The settlement agreement is not before you because, because it's non-monetary.

1353
02:17:58.554 --> 02:18:09.023
<v Nancy Thorington>However, the reappointment of Mr. Weinstein as an alternate to the Community Board for Police Accountability is before you because it is a condition of the settlement.

1354
02:18:09.701 --> 02:18:20.870
<v Nancy Thorington>Therefore, if council were to decide not to reappoint Mr. Weinstein as an alternate thank you.

1355
02:18:21.354 --> 02:18:32.550
<v Nancy Thorington>So just briefly, Mr. Weinstein was removed from service as an alternate on the Community Board for Police Accountability after declining to sign a confidentiality and nondisclosure agreement.

1356
02:18:33.129 --> 02:18:40.158
<v Nancy Thorington>We were unable to resolve that matter prior to his removal, but I'm very happy to say that since then we've been able to work together.

1357
02:18:40.716 --> 02:18:50.638
<v Nancy Thorington>And find some middle ground that works both for the city and for Mr. Weinstein on the nondisclosure agreement, which we will have all the other board members sign as well.

1358
02:18:50.832 --> 02:18:58.394
<v Nancy Thorington>And so basically the settlement agreement revised the nondisclosure and confidentiality agreement, as I stated.

1359
02:18:59.518 --> 02:19:05.763
<v Nancy Thorington>We will publish non-privileged Community Board for Police Accountability trainings on the— on their website.

1360
02:19:06.743 --> 02:19:08.906
<v Nancy Thorington>And then the litigation will be dismissed.

1361
02:19:09.547 --> 02:19:12.768
<v Nancy Thorington>That is dependent upon if Mr. Weinstein is reappointed.

1362
02:19:12.832 --> 02:19:23.424
<v Nancy Thorington>So at this point, I am recommending to you for this council to reappoint Mr. Weinstein in interest of this settlement and furtherance of that matter.

1363
02:19:23.711 --> 02:19:25.699
<v Nancy Thorington>If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

1364
02:19:26.933 --> 02:19:27.621
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Heidi.

1365
02:19:28.054 --> 02:19:32.748
<v Sameer Kanal>We're gonna do very brief technical questions because we may have testimony, and then we'll get into deliberation.

1366
02:19:34.295 --> 02:19:36.744
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Mr.

1367
02:19:36.792 --> 02:19:36.986
<v Loretta Smith>Chair.

1368
02:19:37.051 --> 02:19:51.778
<v Loretta Smith>So just so that I have this correct, um, Mr. Weinstein was asked by our office, by the city, to sign a confidentiality agreement, and he, um, declined.

1369
02:19:52.838 --> 02:19:56.036
<v Loretta Smith>And so you're saying that now he is going to sign one?

1370
02:19:56.533 --> 02:20:00.447
<v Nancy Thorington>Yes, we have— Mr., Mr. Weinstein was concerned with some aspects of it.

1371
02:20:01.458 --> 02:20:12.344
<v Nancy Thorington>We have clarified the nondisclosure agreement so it's, it's so that there's, uh, it's, it's clear what they are agreeing to keep confidential, um, for the city.

1372
02:20:12.537 --> 02:20:19.810
<v Nancy Thorington>We're clear that certain things will come through our office to get advice by board members if they need it on what they can disclose.

1373
02:20:20.325 --> 02:20:22.573
<v Nancy Thorington>And with that, we felt comfortable resolving it.

1374
02:20:23.279 --> 02:20:36.047
<v Loretta Smith>And so the things that he wanted clarify or not to sign off on was these were training materials that he wanted, and he was basically to sign an NDA not to make those public?

1375
02:20:36.929 --> 02:20:40.393
<v Loretta Smith>I can't remember what it was, but I'm trying to get this straight technically.

1376
02:20:40.778 --> 02:20:48.282
<v Nancy Thorington>Yeah, at that time, the nondisclosure agreement said any and all confidential information, and it wasn't clear about what that covered.

1377
02:20:49.277 --> 02:20:56.469
<v Nancy Thorington>And then we had a discussion about whether something was attorney-client privileged and who would make the decision about whether to release that.

1378
02:20:56.888 --> 02:21:07.957
<v Nancy Thorington>What we did is go through and make sure that the nondisclosure agreement provides clarity on what board members have to keep confidential, and it ties it really to the public records laws.

1379
02:21:09.273 --> 02:21:17.611
<v Nancy Thorington>Things, matters that are exempt from public records disclosure will also be considered confidential, and also makes clear which, which includes attorney-client privilege.

1380
02:21:17.659 --> 02:21:20.020
<v Loretta Smith>So the training materials are now not confidential anymore?

1381
02:21:20.340 --> 02:21:21.833
<v Nancy Thorington>Um, most of them are not.

1382
02:21:22.024 --> 02:21:30.915
<v Nancy Thorington>There is one training that was provided by me, and that would continue to be attorney-client privileged, so that would not be posted on the website.

1383
02:21:31.011 --> 02:21:37.140
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, so I'm just trying to keep clear because this was a long time ago that this happened, and I wanted to make sure that I had it technically correct.

1384
02:21:37.270 --> 02:21:40.495
<v Loretta Smith>But he is still going to sign some sort of an NDA?

1385
02:21:41.200 --> 02:21:46.158
<v Nancy Thorington>Yes, yes, we've revised it, and it'll— the revised NDA will apply to all board members.

1386
02:21:47.083 --> 02:21:50.182
<v Nancy Thorington>And Mr. Weinstein is willing to sign it with the revisions we've made.

1387
02:21:50.552 --> 02:21:55.718
<v Loretta Smith>So didn't all the other members sign an NDA and he refused to?

1388
02:21:56.300 --> 02:21:58.130
<v Nancy Thorington>That is correct, Councilor.

1389
02:21:58.389 --> 02:22:07.754
<v Loretta Smith>And so that I'm correct, so in his refusal, that's what got him removed from the alternate spot?

1390
02:22:08.046 --> 02:22:08.433
<v Nancy Thorington>That's right.

1391
02:22:08.692 --> 02:22:15.754
<v Nancy Thorington>And I think he and I had tried to work through the concerns he had, and we just unfortunately didn't have enough time to be able to achieve that.

1392
02:22:16.447 --> 02:22:19.733
<v Nancy Thorington>Before this matter was before council and his removal occurred.

1393
02:22:20.719 --> 02:22:29.373
<v Nancy Thorington>And then thereafter, he filed a lawsuit, and we worked with his attorney and him and my office to come up with— make those revisions so that we all felt comfortable with it.

1394
02:22:29.470 --> 02:22:41.125
<v Loretta Smith>And so now we can no longer remove people from those positions for not signing the NDAs?

1395
02:22:41.757 --> 02:22:44.323
<v Nancy Thorington>Well, they'll have to re-sign the revised nondisclosure agreement.

1396
02:22:44.371 --> 02:22:44.987
<v Loretta Smith>The revised one.

1397
02:22:45.436 --> 02:22:45.565
<v Nancy Thorington>Yes.

1398
02:22:45.998 --> 02:22:54.171
<v Nancy Thorington>And then any new board members who get appointed either as an alternate or as a board member would need to sign this same nondisclosure agreement.

1399
02:22:54.219 --> 02:22:54.894
<v Loretta Smith>This new one.

1400
02:22:55.005 --> 02:22:56.628
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, so I got it.

1401
02:22:56.772 --> 02:22:58.378
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you for walking me through that.

1402
02:22:58.763 --> 02:22:59.502
<v Sameer Kanal>Happy to do it.

1403
02:22:59.647 --> 02:22:59.920
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1404
02:23:00.369 --> 02:23:00.481
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1405
02:23:00.546 --> 02:23:02.953
<v Sameer Kanal>And just to clarify, there, there is no testimony.

1406
02:23:03.019 --> 02:23:03.870
<v Sameer Kanal>I just got the update.

1407
02:23:04.302 --> 02:23:06.293
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so we're just going to do everything together.

1408
02:23:06.791 --> 02:23:08.655
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, feel free to get back in the queue as needed.

1409
02:23:08.815 --> 02:23:10.308
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, Councilor Green followed by Avalos.

1410
02:23:11.864 --> 02:23:12.619
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Chair Kanal.

1411
02:23:13.469 --> 02:23:17.643
<v Mitch Green>Just, I think, first of all, I think it's pronounced Weinstein.

1412
02:23:18.444 --> 02:23:20.018
<v Mitch Green>Is that a not— yeah, I've got the positive.

1413
02:23:20.193 --> 02:23:24.351
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, just like to do that.

1414
02:23:24.927 --> 02:23:30.737
<v Mitch Green>I spent a lot of time with Mr. Weinstein on the campaign trail, so I got to hear him pronounce his name a lot in 2024.

1415
02:23:30.817 --> 02:23:31.332
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1416
02:23:31.668 --> 02:23:35.777
<v Mitch Green>I appreciate the work that has happened to get to a resolution here.

1417
02:23:35.856 --> 02:23:37.189
<v Mitch Green>I understand that it's a non-monetary resolution.

1418
02:23:38.280 --> 02:23:52.209
<v Mitch Green>My objection to having Mr. Weinstein on it originally was because what felt like a refusal to work with or to sort of land that plane with the City Attorney's Office.

1419
02:23:52.209 --> 02:23:53.870
<v Mitch Green>That has happened.

1420
02:23:53.870 --> 02:23:57.450
<v Mitch Green>So now I no longer have a reason to object Mr. Weinstein.

1421
02:23:57.450 --> 02:24:01.370
<v Mitch Green>So I'm going to support the resolution appointing him today.

1422
02:24:01.370 --> 02:24:02.409
<v Loretta Smith>Thanks.

1423
02:24:02.450 --> 02:24:04.090
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1424
02:24:04.090 --> 02:24:05.450
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Avalos, followed by myself.

1425
02:24:05.450 --> 02:24:05.510
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Mr.

1426
02:24:05.510 --> 02:24:05.530
<v Unidentified speaker>Chair.

1427
02:24:06.560 --> 02:24:06.881
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1428
02:24:07.347 --> 02:24:11.650
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you, Heidi, for all of your work to get to some kind of resolution.

1429
02:24:12.630 --> 02:24:19.342
<v Candace Avalos>Unfortunately, the very serious concerns that I had raised the last time we talked about Mr. Weinstein's appointment remain.

1430
02:24:19.936 --> 02:24:22.682
<v Candace Avalos>And so to keep it short, I do not plan on supporting this.

1431
02:24:22.906 --> 02:24:23.180
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thanks.

1432
02:24:23.950 --> 02:24:26.985
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1433
02:24:27.177 --> 02:24:27.819
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm next in the queue.

1434
02:24:27.965 --> 02:24:30.887
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, I added myself as a co-sponsor to this one as well.

1435
02:24:31.516 --> 02:24:40.969
<v Sameer Kanal>I felt that it was appropriate at the time that this conversation was coming up, exactly what you said, Heidi, that a little more time to figure out the question.

1436
02:24:41.165 --> 02:24:53.144
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that there were some— whenever you're standing up a new system and looking at the changes in what is going to be required or not, there's likely to be some questions over the level of disclosure that's appropriate.

1437
02:24:53.561 --> 02:24:59.721
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's been seen throughout the various steps of this process of migrating from the old system to the new.

1438
02:24:59.771 --> 02:24:59.950
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1439
02:25:01.467 --> 02:25:05.202
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that's why I voted no on the removal in the first place.

1440
02:25:05.799 --> 02:25:12.487
<v Sameer Kanal>And that's why I'm glad to see that this has been resolved to both— assuming this passes— to mutual satisfaction.

1441
02:25:12.634 --> 02:25:15.485
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's why I will be supportive of this.

1442
02:25:18.402 --> 02:25:18.516
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1443
02:25:18.615 --> 02:25:21.375
<v Sameer Kanal>Just going to pause and there's no one else in the queue.

1444
02:25:21.472 --> 02:25:22.343
<v Sameer Kanal>Just give everyone a moment.

1445
02:25:24.500 --> 02:25:24.595
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1446
02:25:25.015 --> 02:25:30.884
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, we would need a motion to refer this resolution onto the full council with a due date Do I have a motion to pass recommendation in order to proceed?

1447
02:25:31.060 --> 02:25:31.204
<v Unidentified speaker>So moved.

1448
02:25:31.734 --> 02:25:32.135
<v Dan Ryan>Second.

1449
02:25:32.424 --> 02:25:34.574
<v Sameer Kanal>Moved by Councilor Smith, seconded by Councilor Ryan.

1450
02:25:35.247 --> 02:25:37.060
<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any further discussion on this item?

1451
02:25:38.296 --> 02:25:38.889
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

1452
02:25:39.739 --> 02:25:45.916
<v Loretta Smith>I would just like to say that I will be supporting this motion, and I'm glad we got it straightened out.

1453
02:25:46.060 --> 02:25:50.552
<v Loretta Smith>And I do agree that when you're starting something new, you really need to work through the kinks.

1454
02:25:50.649 --> 02:25:56.402
<v Loretta Smith>And I'm glad that, um, uh, Bob Weinstein or Stein.

1455
02:25:56.853 --> 02:26:00.564
<v Loretta Smith>I'm sorry, you have to excuse my Michigan vernacular.

1456
02:26:03.329 --> 02:26:13.986
<v Loretta Smith>But Bob is very thorough and he is smart and he is a public servant.

1457
02:26:14.131 --> 02:26:27.248
<v Loretta Smith>And the idea that someone with his background and track record, that we don't use his information that he's willing to give in his retirement, I think would have been a shame.

1458
02:26:28.452 --> 02:26:37.429
<v Loretta Smith>And so I am happy to say that I will be full-throatedly supporting Kim in his effort to, to serve.

1459
02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:39.789
<v Loretta Smith>So thank you so much, Bob.

1460
02:26:41.009 --> 02:26:42.791
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, colleagues.

1461
02:26:42.840 --> 02:26:46.050
<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing no one else in the queue, Diego, will you please call the roll?

1462
02:26:49.329 --> 02:26:49.379
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

1463
02:26:51.502 --> 02:26:51.599
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1464
02:26:53.513 --> 02:26:53.561
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1465
02:26:54.659 --> 02:26:54.950
<v Unidentified speaker>Avalos.

1466
02:26:55.226 --> 02:26:55.371
<v Candace Avalos>No.

1467
02:26:58.203 --> 02:26:58.511
<v Unidentified speaker>Smith.

1468
02:26:59.740 --> 02:26:59.790
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1469
02:27:01.020 --> 02:27:01.424
<v Unidentified speaker>Pirtle-Guiney.

1470
02:27:02.409 --> 02:27:02.539
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1471
02:27:03.379 --> 02:27:03.768
<v Unidentified speaker>Ryan.

1472
02:27:04.270 --> 02:27:04.317
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1473
02:27:05.417 --> 02:27:06.112
<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane.

1474
02:27:07.423 --> 02:27:07.601
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1475
02:27:08.620 --> 02:27:08.967
<v Unidentified speaker>Murillo.

1476
02:27:10.488 --> 02:27:10.686
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1477
02:27:12.790 --> 02:27:13.224
<v Unidentified speaker>Novick.

1478
02:27:13.530 --> 02:27:13.577
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1479
02:27:14.736 --> 02:27:15.010
<v Unidentified speaker>Knoll.

1480
02:27:15.540 --> 02:27:15.588
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1481
02:27:16.828 --> 02:27:20.255
<v Unidentified speaker>With— oh, sorry, one second.

1482
02:27:23.110 --> 02:27:35.213
<v Unidentified speaker>With 9 ayes, 2 nays, and 1 absent, the motion carries, and the resolution, document number 2026-375, moves to the full council with a recommendation it be adopted.

1483
02:27:36.730 --> 02:27:37.298
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Heidi.

1484
02:27:38.109 --> 02:27:39.352
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Mr. Weinstein, as well.

1485
02:27:41.469 --> 02:27:42.184
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, we have one item.

1486
02:27:42.315 --> 02:27:45.157
<v Sameer Kanal>Well, Diego, will you please read item 6?

1487
02:27:47.461 --> 02:27:48.638
<v Unidentified speaker>I believe we're on item 7.

1488
02:27:48.833 --> 02:27:49.203
<v Unidentified speaker>Is that right?

1489
02:27:49.252 --> 02:27:49.944
<v Unidentified speaker>Oh yeah, you're right.

1490
02:27:50.121 --> 02:27:50.493
<v Sameer Kanal>Item 7.

1491
02:27:51.573 --> 02:27:57.518
<v Unidentified speaker>Item 7, document number 2026-378, Council Leadership Election Process.

1492
02:27:59.450 --> 02:28:00.086
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, colleagues.

1493
02:28:00.136 --> 02:28:02.261
<v Sameer Kanal>This is the last item on our agenda today.

1494
02:28:02.979 --> 02:28:06.400
<v Sameer Kanal>It is a report back this is a presentation item.

1495
02:28:06.449 --> 02:28:09.212
<v Sameer Kanal>There's no legislation that is being proposed right now.

1496
02:28:09.341 --> 02:28:13.549
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues online, the attachment is up on the item for this.

1497
02:28:14.370 --> 02:28:20.066
<v Sameer Kanal>This is a workgroup that was established a few months ago to look at the council leadership election process.

1498
02:28:20.569 --> 02:28:29.887
<v Sameer Kanal>The purpose of today's conversation is to report back on what the workgroup identified and found, not to necessarily express any sort of recommendation.

1499
02:28:29.969 --> 02:28:30.037
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1500
02:28:30.763 --> 02:28:37.534
<v Sameer Kanal>Opinions of the workgroup itself, but to start a conversation that may eventually lead to changes to our processes.

1501
02:28:39.670 --> 02:28:45.739
<v Sameer Kanal>The workgroup on the council leadership election process was Councilors Avalos, Dunphy, myself, Pirtle-Guiney, and Smith.

1502
02:28:46.582 --> 02:29:03.575
<v Sameer Kanal>We did consult, the 3, 4 of us met 3 times and talked about this, and the idea was to capture everything that had been suggested as ways to To update the council election process in a way that would help avoid some of the problems that we've seen.

1503
02:29:03.625 --> 02:29:09.693
<v Sameer Kanal>If you look at page 2 of the document, you'll see what those problems were that were identified.

1504
02:29:10.164 --> 02:29:11.718
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm going to pull up a slide real quick.

1505
02:29:11.782 --> 02:29:13.127
<v Sameer Kanal>I just forgot that I had those.

1506
02:29:16.528 --> 02:29:20.679
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and Councilor Avalos, is that a legacy hand or did you want to jump in for when we—.

1507
02:29:21.004 --> 02:29:21.134
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1508
02:29:21.600 --> 02:29:21.936
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes.

1509
02:29:22.177 --> 02:29:22.579
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, cool.

1510
02:29:23.143 --> 02:29:29.380
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, just making sure that I can share my screen here.

1511
02:29:32.727 --> 02:29:37.628
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so, um, this is a very, very brief slide deck here.

1512
02:29:37.836 --> 02:29:46.049
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, little disclaimer, which you're going to see on there too, um, which is see if there's a possibility to change, uh, 3.02 around the council leadership election.

1513
02:29:46.406 --> 02:29:52.102
<v Sameer Kanal>Absent any changes, we continue as is with the election on Wednesday, January 6th, 2027.

1514
02:29:52.762 --> 02:30:04.791
<v Sameer Kanal>The goal of the report was to describe each option and the relevant variables as neutrally as possible, to provide the positives as a supporter of the option might, and to provide the negatives as a critic of the option might, without regard to our own opinions.

1515
02:30:05.226 --> 02:30:09.000
<v Sameer Kanal>The workgroup itself is not making recommendations, though certainly the 4 of us all have thoughts.

1516
02:30:09.546 --> 02:30:13.577
<v Sameer Kanal>And we are not— we didn't go through a whole legal analysis process.

1517
02:30:13.657 --> 02:30:15.363
<v Sameer Kanal>That'll happen if and when there there's an ordinance.

1518
02:30:16.950 --> 02:30:23.557
<v Sameer Kanal>We basically split the options into 2 categories, the first being the options that are generally mutually exclusive, the pick one options.

1519
02:30:24.729 --> 02:30:31.246
<v Sameer Kanal>6 Of those were in there, and then a bunch of others— I think there's 11, uh, 10— that can be layered on top of it.

1520
02:30:31.504 --> 02:30:33.259
<v Sameer Kanal>You can pick any, pick all, or pick none.

1521
02:30:35.109 --> 02:30:37.079
<v Sameer Kanal>The pick one options are listed here.

1522
02:30:37.757 --> 02:30:39.956
<v Sameer Kanal>Status quo, no changes to the process.

1523
02:30:40.036 --> 02:30:44.575
<v Sameer Kanal>And by the way, one this is in the event of a deadlock where no candidate receives 7 votes.

1524
02:30:45.441 --> 02:30:49.551
<v Sameer Kanal>That's the— this is the process that would be taken in that scenario.

1525
02:30:50.016 --> 02:30:51.190
<v Sameer Kanal>Option 2, mayor breaks the tie.

1526
02:30:51.542 --> 02:30:54.014
<v Sameer Kanal>Option 3, incumbent remains in for a period of time.

1527
02:30:54.433 --> 02:30:56.905
<v Sameer Kanal>Option 4, and then the election continues.

1528
02:30:57.082 --> 02:30:59.233
<v Sameer Kanal>Option 4, the incumbent must abstain.

1529
02:30:59.746 --> 02:31:06.746
<v Sameer Kanal>Option 5, using random chance, including flipping the Portland penny, although I'll note that Councilor Novick also said rock-paper-scissors was an option here.

1530
02:31:06.795 --> 02:31:06.843
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1531
02:31:07.523 --> 02:31:11.593
<v Sameer Kanal>And Councilor— Option 6 is automatic vice presidential succession.

1532
02:31:12.173 --> 02:31:19.575
<v Sameer Kanal>And then there are 10 other options that were floated that could be added to this or in any combination thereof.

1533
02:31:19.932 --> 02:31:21.016
<v Sameer Kanal>And you can see them on the screen.

1534
02:31:21.066 --> 02:31:22.037
<v Sameer Kanal>They're also in the report.

1535
02:31:22.134 --> 02:31:23.024
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm just gonna show it here.

1536
02:31:23.073 --> 02:31:23.979
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not gonna go through 'em all.

1537
02:31:26.372 --> 02:31:28.403
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, that is the whole presentation.

1538
02:31:28.468 --> 02:31:41.897
<v Sameer Kanal>There's not a lot here, but I did want to briefly allow each of the other people on the workgroup to add anything that they wanted to, to sort of explain our work and then just open it up and let folks react.

1539
02:31:42.789 --> 02:31:50.818
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, as you are doing it, including Councilors Avalos, Pirtle-Guiney, and Dunphy, please feel free to give your own opinions and just as you do so, if you would like.

1540
02:31:52.229 --> 02:31:54.618
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll go to Councilor Avalos since she's already in the queue.

1541
02:31:54.763 --> 02:31:55.166
<v Candace Avalos>Thanks.

1542
02:31:55.716 --> 02:31:56.086
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, thank you.

1543
02:31:56.135 --> 02:32:01.349
<v Candace Avalos>I put myself in the queue to give some opening remarks and I'll get back in to join the discussion once colleagues have weighed in.

1544
02:32:02.524 --> 02:32:05.349
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you to my colleagues who participated in this workgroup.

1545
02:32:05.413 --> 02:32:13.532
<v Candace Avalos>I really appreciated the opportunity to have a thoughtful conversation about what we've experienced over the last 2 years and what we might want to do differently.

1546
02:32:14.639 --> 02:32:23.450
<v Candace Avalos>I think one of the main and most important things that we identified is that we're not just dealing with a voting problem, we're dealing with a governance and council culture problem.

1547
02:32:24.028 --> 02:32:32.014
<v Candace Avalos>We've had 2 consecutive years of lengthy leadership elections, and I understand the desire to create a mechanism that gets us to a decision more quickly.

1548
02:32:33.072 --> 02:32:36.981
<v Candace Avalos>But I also think we should be careful not to confuse efficiency with effectiveness.

1549
02:32:37.638 --> 02:32:45.940
<v Candace Avalos>A faster election doesn't necessarily mean a better election, and a mechanism that produces a winner doesn't necessarily produce consensus or effective leadership.

1550
02:32:46.629 --> 02:32:49.433
<v Candace Avalos>So for me, there are a few principles that matter.

1551
02:32:49.736 --> 02:33:02.209
<v Candace Avalos>First, I believe that the decision about who leads this legislative body should remain with the legislative second, I believe the process should be public and transparent.

1552
02:33:02.452 --> 02:33:08.460
<v Candace Avalos>Portlanders deserve to understand how we're selecting our leadership and what those decisions mean for how their government operates.

1553
02:33:09.088 --> 02:33:15.818
<v Candace Avalos>And third, I think we need to spend some more time discussing what we want from our leadership before we start discussing who we want in those positions.

1554
02:33:16.610 --> 02:33:20.498
<v Candace Avalos>The council president has significant responsibilities, and those responsibilities affect all 12 of us.

1555
02:33:20.548 --> 02:33:21.245
<v Candace Avalos>Council President, I have a question.

1556
02:33:21.371 --> 02:33:25.802
<v Candace Avalos>Us, our, our committees, and ultimately the communities that we represent.

1557
02:33:26.027 --> 02:33:32.175
<v Candace Avalos>And so I'm glad that this report, uh, presents a range of options without prescribing a single solution.

1558
02:33:32.931 --> 02:33:42.209
<v Candace Avalos>And my hope is that during this conversation, we can not just, um, talk about improving the mechanics of our elections, but discuss how we strengthen how we govern together.

1559
02:33:42.788 --> 02:33:43.029
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1560
02:33:43.590 --> 02:33:46.191
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1561
02:33:46.352 --> 02:33:47.972
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll go to Pirtle-Guiney, then Smith.

1562
02:33:48.069 --> 02:33:51.882
<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney is after you.

1563
02:33:51.947 --> 02:33:53.565
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Chair and colleagues.

1564
02:33:53.629 --> 02:33:59.574
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't have, um, anything formal prepared, but I just want to note a few things before we move into discussion.

1565
02:33:59.638 --> 02:34:10.709
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The first is I think it's really important as you, um, view this document to know that, as Councilor Kanal stated, these aren't the opinions of the folks who are on the group.

1566
02:34:10.773 --> 02:34:22.504
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>They are our attempt to capture in good faith what everyone around this body has brought And we bring this to you not with, um, with our sign-off on all of these options.

1567
02:34:22.551 --> 02:34:35.147
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In fact, there are many things we're putting forward that I don't think would be best for our body, but I do think that they're important to discuss because I don't want us to have these possibilities hanging over us as we move into the next council election.

1568
02:34:35.515 --> 02:34:53.137
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want us to have discussed them and a majority of this body to have ruled on what the, the I also think it is important to note that this body has not settled on how much power we think the council president should have.

1569
02:34:53.713 --> 02:35:05.245
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And many of the assumptions that go into what people think the best path forward is have a lot to do with what the role of the council president is as well.

1570
02:35:05.918 --> 02:35:10.986
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so I suspect that that may pepper itself into our conversations, and I think that's a good thing.

1571
02:35:11.050 --> 02:35:11.179
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1572
02:35:12.174 --> 02:35:25.703
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The third thing that I'd like to note before we move into discussion is that we are viewing this, I think, reflexively through the lens of what has already happened.

1573
02:35:26.362 --> 02:35:28.465
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I would caution us from doing that.

1574
02:35:28.947 --> 02:35:36.875
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have had 2 rounds of council president elections that have been divided in a 6-6 split, but that may not always be the case for this board.

1575
02:35:37.780 --> 02:35:50.824
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We may have a year where there are 3 people running and this body is divided 5 and 3, and now I have to do math on the spot, 4, and none of those get to a majority.

1576
02:35:51.920 --> 02:35:59.037
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But the solutions for that may look different from what would work to help us solve a 6-6 divide.

1577
02:35:59.579 --> 02:36:19.587
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I hope that as we move through these, we are thinking about not just how they might help or harm in a council that is divided 6-6 in a presidential election, but how they would affect our ability to move forward in electing council leadership in any number of situations.

1578
02:36:19.700 --> 02:36:40.674
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because I don't think we should limit ourselves to assuming that the current or the last 2 years of I'm looking forward to hearing the discussion, and I'll jump in with some of my thoughts on what our priorities should be after I hear from some of our colleagues.

1579
02:36:41.012 --> 02:36:41.447
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Chair.

1580
02:36:42.229 --> 02:36:43.193
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1581
02:36:43.307 --> 02:36:44.288
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

1582
02:36:45.782 --> 02:36:46.539
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much.

1583
02:36:46.602 --> 02:36:50.384
<v Loretta Smith>I appreciate everybody putting in, in a lot of work.

1584
02:36:50.529 --> 02:36:55.225
<v Loretta Smith>And, you know, some of these conversations were very brutal over the last 2 years.

1585
02:36:56.279 --> 02:37:01.995
<v Loretta Smith>I nominated, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney because I thought she did a good job with what she was working with.

1586
02:37:02.219 --> 02:37:08.370
<v Loretta Smith>And I appreciate the leadership of our new council president, and he's done a good job as well.

1587
02:37:09.204 --> 02:37:14.680
<v Loretta Smith>But I, um, I am going to go back to what I always said because I'm always very clear.

1588
02:37:15.884 --> 02:37:19.865
<v Loretta Smith>We are trying to create a process that's already created for us.

1589
02:37:20.138 --> 02:37:20.507
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1590
02:37:21.558 --> 02:37:35.783
<v Loretta Smith>And I will wait because I do not like suing myself, but I've been given permission by the legal counsel to, um, file and use our, our dollars to file for declaratory judgment.

1591
02:37:37.406 --> 02:37:47.747
<v Loretta Smith>The charter is very clear that the mayor breaks all ties, and we're going— we're, we're putting so much energy behind not trying to follow the charter yes.

1592
02:37:47.811 --> 02:38:02.046
<v Loretta Smith>About this particular thing, but we're so exact when we have to follow the charter on other issues that we like and want, and we'll use the charter as the holy grail to say we had to do this, it's in the charter.

1593
02:38:02.542 --> 02:38:03.377
<v Loretta Smith>But we're not doing that.

1594
02:38:03.504 --> 02:38:08.121
<v Loretta Smith>And we even created a code to supersede charter.

1595
02:38:08.170 --> 02:38:13.796
<v Loretta Smith>And I asked Robert Taylor, does code supersede the charter?

1596
02:38:13.843 --> 02:38:14.405
<v Loretta Smith>And he said no.

1597
02:38:15.208 --> 02:38:24.825
<v Loretta Smith>And folks around the table that I really respect, and the, and the, and the person that I nominated for, for, uh, for president, she is the one who led that effort to do this.

1598
02:38:25.404 --> 02:38:30.125
<v Loretta Smith>And I disagree with her, even though I still wanted her to be president.

1599
02:38:30.220 --> 02:38:46.078
<v Loretta Smith>I disagree with her, and I still disagree with her, and I disagree with the rest of the committee that we need to figure out definitively, not by code, not by all these meetings about something.

1600
02:38:46.272 --> 02:38:47.815
<v Loretta Smith>We already have this settled.

1601
02:38:48.281 --> 02:38:52.838
<v Loretta Smith>We have people here who was the chair of this, of the charter committee, and they know what it was.

1602
02:38:54.066 --> 02:39:09.444
<v Loretta Smith>And so for me, until we get a declaratory judgment, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, I, um, I am still in the same corner that I was before, and I don't care what I don't care what document you create.

1603
02:39:10.458 --> 02:39:13.415
<v Loretta Smith>I believe we are not following the charter willingly.

1604
02:39:14.252 --> 02:39:15.972
<v Loretta Smith>We are in a constitutional crisis.

1605
02:39:17.117 --> 02:39:28.259
<v Loretta Smith>And until we get something that says this is what it is and that the mayor breaks all ties, amendments, and everything, I don't want any more parts of it.

1606
02:39:28.708 --> 02:39:29.287
<v Loretta Smith>I really don't.

1607
02:39:29.688 --> 02:39:35.432
<v Loretta Smith>So, but I do appreciate your work because you're trying to do a workaround when we really need to do what we need to do.

1608
02:39:35.486 --> 02:39:35.629
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1609
02:39:36.219 --> 02:39:40.577
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1610
02:39:40.626 --> 02:39:42.479
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Green, followed by Councilor Ryan.

1611
02:39:45.780 --> 02:39:52.719
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, um, just some opening remarks before we kind of get into the, um, specificity of these proposals.

1612
02:39:52.897 --> 02:40:12.867
<v Mitch Green>I just want to say that it's a pretty high priority of mine to adopt some kind of rule before the end of the year and before we get into January, whoever whoever's whoever's in these seats in January, so that way we have some certainty on how we will approach resolution of this question.

1613
02:40:12.963 --> 02:40:27.004
<v Mitch Green>There's been a lot of discourse around sort of like council not being able to resolve questions before council, focusing on six six splits.

1614
02:40:27.360 --> 02:40:29.575
<v Mitch Green>A lot of that reporting has.

1615
02:40:29.726 --> 02:40:35.688
<v Mitch Green>I think the council is frankly not engaged with the data, which says that 96% of the votes before this body are resolved.

1616
02:40:37.046 --> 02:40:37.305
<v Mitch Green>It's—.

1617
02:40:37.305 --> 02:40:43.676
<v Mitch Green>But it's the council president election and it's the amendments, the budget process where we— where you do find that tension.

1618
02:40:44.358 --> 02:40:47.834
<v Mitch Green>I don't personally have an issue with the budget amendments failing 6-6.

1619
02:40:47.881 --> 02:40:48.966
<v Mitch Green>That's what they're supposed to do.

1620
02:40:49.208 --> 02:40:52.342
<v Mitch Green>If you can't find your 7th vote, well, that's on you.

1621
02:40:54.391 --> 02:41:01.808
<v Mitch Green>I do believe strongly that it's the obligation of this body to choose its leadership.

1622
02:41:02.370 --> 02:41:14.202
<v Mitch Green>And our inability to resolve that question swiftly and with a sort of like level of rigor, I think, has created a loss of confidence in the public.

1623
02:41:14.443 --> 02:41:15.898
<v Mitch Green>And I think it's really important to earn that back.

1624
02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:21.885
<v Mitch Green>And so there's a couple proposals that I've reviewed here that are in play that I like some more than others.

1625
02:41:23.608 --> 02:41:26.112
<v Mitch Green>Kind of interested in the coin toss, to be honest with you.

1626
02:41:26.242 --> 02:41:32.956
<v Mitch Green>But, um, but I definitely think that, uh, yeah, I'll save my broader comments as we get into debates on the merits.

1627
02:41:33.004 --> 02:41:38.995
<v Mitch Green>But I just think, um, you know, we, we have an obligation to choose our own leadership on this body.

1628
02:41:39.332 --> 02:41:39.588
<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

1629
02:41:40.471 --> 02:41:41.484
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1630
02:41:41.596 --> 02:41:42.287
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Ryan.

1631
02:41:42.704 --> 02:41:43.717
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Chair Kanal.

1632
02:41:43.828 --> 02:41:47.988
<v Dan Ryan>And I want to thank all of you who've served on this subcommittee, if you will.

1633
02:41:48.808 --> 02:41:51.841
<v Dan Ryan>And I'll just say ditto to what Councilor Smith said.

1634
02:41:52.193 --> 02:41:55.772
<v Dan Ryan>I'm really clear that that's the solution.

1635
02:41:55.950 --> 02:42:00.492
<v Dan Ryan>And I think having— I would like to talk about the variables when we get there.

1636
02:42:01.888 --> 02:42:03.765
<v Dan Ryan>I'm seeing the variables, how many rounds?

1637
02:42:03.815 --> 02:42:06.799
<v Dan Ryan>That's a great question, 'cause it would be great if we could resolve it.

1638
02:42:07.281 --> 02:42:11.904
<v Dan Ryan>But I know when I voted on the charter, it was really crystal clear that the mayor would break ties.

1639
02:42:12.079 --> 02:42:13.379
<v Dan Ryan>So I feel like we're pretty in line.

1640
02:42:13.460 --> 02:42:13.588
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1641
02:42:14.584 --> 02:42:17.763
<v Dan Ryan>This, um, somehow, um, and it was unnecessary.

1642
02:42:18.052 --> 02:42:22.789
<v Dan Ryan>So I look forward to hearing what everyone else has to say, but I just want to let you know I'm crystal clear.

1643
02:42:23.013 --> 02:42:23.415
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1644
02:42:24.138 --> 02:42:25.711
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1645
02:42:26.450 --> 02:42:27.365
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, I'm next in the queue.

1646
02:42:27.846 --> 02:42:30.529
<v Sameer Kanal>First off, I, I wanted to identify the problem statement.

1647
02:42:30.656 --> 02:42:39.150
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I think that this, um, I agree with everything Councilor Green said about our general votes and on the fairness of 6-6-6.

1648
02:42:39.280 --> 02:42:39.479
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

1649
02:42:39.479 --> 02:42:43.079
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that the process is failing as it relates to amendments, budget and otherwise.

1650
02:42:44.020 --> 02:42:51.049
<v Sameer Kanal>With relation to the council president and theoretically vice president, although that hasn't happened yet, votes, I do think that that's a little different.

1651
02:42:51.959 --> 02:42:59.940
<v Sameer Kanal>I think there are people who are cautiously optimistic about the charter for whom this has posed a pretty big challenge to their faith in the new system.

1652
02:42:59.940 --> 02:43:10.510
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think there are also people who were maybe never in favor of the charter who are using this as an opportunity to I think kind of cynically, for why the rest of the system is on trial to them.

1653
02:43:11.950 --> 02:43:13.448
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not referring to any colleagues when I say that.

1654
02:43:13.496 --> 02:43:15.703
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm more talking about the outside conversation.

1655
02:43:15.769 --> 02:43:23.596
<v Sameer Kanal>I think with relation to the unsettled question of the council president's power is an important one.

1656
02:43:23.645 --> 02:43:30.228
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm glad Councilor Pirtle-Guiney raised that as well, because I think sometimes it feels a lot higher stakes than it may otherwise.

1657
02:43:30.855 --> 02:43:38.665
<v Sameer Kanal>And then the release valve to that is the lack of the same feeling as it relates to the Vice President.

1658
02:43:39.244 --> 02:43:47.388
<v Sameer Kanal>So, you know, alongside this, I hope that there's a conversation that starts about enumerated powers for the Vice President that might help with this situation.

1659
02:43:48.340 --> 02:43:52.995
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, the pick one option that I suggested is number 4, incumbent must abstain.

1660
02:43:54.075 --> 02:44:12.238
<v Sameer Kanal>And this would, in a 1-year council president term, but 2 years of the same council membership effectively guarantee or near guarantee the rotation of power in a council that cannot independently come to a 7-vote majority for any one candidate.

1661
02:44:12.736 --> 02:44:22.594
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that that is maybe the fairest way, and I know that there are systems around the country and around the world that have this in situations where there is an even split.

1662
02:44:23.814 --> 02:44:29.555
<v Sameer Kanal>That doesn't necessarily resolve the, the 4-4-4 type splits, but I think it can be accommodated.

1663
02:44:29.650 --> 02:44:47.066
<v Sameer Kanal>The other thing that I'd like to suggest that we look at is straw polling of some variety to get clear indications of, of councilor preferences prior to it, a work session, so that people are able to discuss what they're looking for before who they're looking for, exactly as Councilor Avalos stated it.

1664
02:44:47.612 --> 02:44:49.944
<v Sameer Kanal>And then ensuring that's right.

1665
02:44:50.040 --> 02:44:53.683
<v Sameer Kanal>That any candidate for election cannot preside over that election.

1666
02:44:54.326 --> 02:44:56.050
<v Sameer Kanal>Those are things that I'm very interested in.

1667
02:44:56.100 --> 02:44:58.165
<v Sameer Kanal>That doesn't mean I'm not interested in any of the others.

1668
02:44:58.280 --> 02:45:14.337
<v Sameer Kanal>I think, you know, the one thing that is definitive in all situations is the coin flip, or, you know, because there may be 3, I guess, councilors, and we actually put as a variable what happens if there's more than 2 who are split.

1669
02:45:14.386 --> 02:45:17.824
<v Sameer Kanal>So, but some sort of random chance is the only 100% definitive thing.

1670
02:45:18.653 --> 02:45:23.521
<v Sameer Kanal>But I think there's a lot of other options we could do that are maybe 99.9% definitive.

1671
02:45:24.195 --> 02:45:25.931
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm interested in this conversation continuing.

1672
02:45:26.027 --> 02:45:32.693
<v Sameer Kanal>I know that we won't have time to get too deep into it today, and that's okay, um, because there's no ordinance proposed at this moment.

1673
02:45:33.175 --> 02:45:37.175
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I did want to just kind of give a, a starting point for where I am looking.

1674
02:45:37.915 --> 02:45:39.554
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, thanks.

1675
02:45:40.020 --> 02:45:41.818
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Novick, you are next in the queue.

1676
02:45:42.414 --> 02:45:42.927
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1677
02:45:43.136 --> 02:45:48.715
<v Steve Novick>Um, one thing I wanted to thank the group for is the— actually, the seriousness with which you took the coin flip option.

1678
02:45:48.972 --> 02:45:53.202
<v Steve Novick>And after reading the description, I'm sort of more inclined towards it than I would have been before.

1679
02:45:56.389 --> 02:46:04.846
<v Steve Novick>I actually like a couple of ideas that don't really resolve the issue, but like the idea of having a work session where we discuss the expectations for the president and vice president.

1680
02:46:04.895 --> 02:46:05.817
<v Steve Novick>I think that would be a good thing.

1681
02:46:06.418 --> 02:46:09.212
<v Steve Novick>I also think that having an executive session where we discuss this would be a good thing.

1682
02:46:09.278 --> 02:46:21.286
<v Steve Novick>I don't think that all decisions should be made I agree with Councilor Smith on the interpretation of the charter.

1683
02:46:22.041 --> 02:46:27.865
<v Steve Novick>One thing, however, that— I mean, I don't think it's a good idea for the mayor to be deciding council leadership, even if that is the law.

1684
02:46:28.840 --> 02:46:40.735
<v Steve Novick>And one thing I regret not having proposed just over a year ago was simply sending out a charter amendment to create a 13th at-large council Uh, which would break the deadlock without involving the mayor.

1685
02:46:41.269 --> 02:46:45.477
<v Steve Novick>Uh, so those are, you know, those are my initial, my initial thoughts.

1686
02:46:45.897 --> 02:46:47.933
<v Steve Novick>And I, you know, Councilor Ryan's laughing.

1687
02:46:47.997 --> 02:46:55.058
<v Steve Novick>I mean, there's, there are plenty of, uh, you know, jurisdictions that have mostly district but some at-large councilors.

1688
02:46:55.171 --> 02:46:56.443
<v Steve Novick>That would be one way of resolving it.

1689
02:46:59.786 --> 02:47:00.797
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1690
02:47:01.091 --> 02:47:08.405
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, just as I approach this queue going forward, I am going to prioritize those who have thank you.

1691
02:47:10.156 --> 02:47:18.390
<v Loretta Smith>And thank you, um, our lawyer friend up here on the council for telling me I can break the law.

1692
02:47:19.647 --> 02:47:22.254
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I will not, not knowingly.

1693
02:47:23.350 --> 02:47:24.981
<v Loretta Smith>And I know that this is breaking the law.

1694
02:47:25.939 --> 02:47:26.441
<v Loretta Smith>It's—.

1695
02:47:26.441 --> 02:47:38.063
<v Loretta Smith>You guys, we— it's, it's, it's almost like what I tell my grandchildren not to do something, they come and give me all these other ways and loopholes to get around what I'm trying to tell them.

1696
02:47:38.337 --> 02:47:41.215
<v Loretta Smith>And they know what I tell them is the law in my house.

1697
02:47:42.084 --> 02:47:45.066
<v Loretta Smith>So, um, that's what I feel like.

1698
02:47:45.129 --> 02:47:57.984
<v Loretta Smith>I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm kind of in that same kind of situation where, I mean, I, I really respect the work and the time that you all spent, but it's— I mean, we got so many other things.

1699
02:47:58.031 --> 02:48:02.825
<v Loretta Smith>But the reason why I put my hand up is because you're right, Councilor Green.

1700
02:48:03.402 --> 02:48:05.037
<v Loretta Smith>I've heard similar things.

1701
02:48:05.165 --> 02:48:06.271
<v Loretta Smith>Oh, you guys aren't doing anything.

1702
02:48:06.319 --> 02:48:06.977
<v Loretta Smith>You can't do anything.

1703
02:48:07.425 --> 02:48:09.909
<v Loretta Smith>I said, but we've done a lot of work.

1704
02:48:10.630 --> 02:48:14.525
<v Loretta Smith>There's just been some really high-profile things that we just didn't agree on.

1705
02:48:14.621 --> 02:48:21.498
<v Loretta Smith>But if you look at all the work that has gone through the committees and voted through, we've done a lot of work and we have been effective.

1706
02:48:22.429 --> 02:48:27.349
<v Loretta Smith>So I, I won't allow folks to, to take me down that rabbit hole.

1707
02:48:28.183 --> 02:48:36.045
<v Loretta Smith>But because I know we're working, we're in this building, we're in this seat for 6, 7 hours a day, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

1708
02:48:36.670 --> 02:48:46.376
<v Loretta Smith>And like we have never been before, even last year, our first year, this has just been a very rigorous schedule as far as I'm concerned.

1709
02:48:46.457 --> 02:48:48.510
<v Loretta Smith>I'd like to have more conversation about that.

1710
02:48:49.120 --> 02:48:51.782
<v Loretta Smith>But that being said, we've been doing work.

1711
02:48:52.408 --> 02:48:53.387
<v Loretta Smith>Folks may not agree.

1712
02:48:53.895 --> 02:48:57.832
<v Loretta Smith>We've talked about issues that, you know, many folks talk about the FAR GWAI.

1713
02:48:57.913 --> 02:49:00.753
<v Loretta Smith>I didn't think we should have been spending 6 months on it, but we did.

1714
02:49:02.028 --> 02:49:05.840
<v Loretta Smith>At any rate, and so we kind of get off track on that, but we have done work.

1715
02:49:05.904 --> 02:49:09.037
<v Loretta Smith>We have changed some things that needed to be changed.

1716
02:49:09.197 --> 02:49:16.150
<v Loretta Smith>We have deliberated on the things that the bureaus have put forward to the mayor that have gotten to us.

1717
02:49:16.683 --> 02:49:29.123
<v Loretta Smith>So I think we have done that job, but we have failed to really We have failed the community in really coming to grips that we have a charter.

1718
02:49:29.655 --> 02:49:34.485
<v Loretta Smith>If y'all want to change— y'all basically are changing the charter with this, and y'all can't change the charter.

1719
02:49:34.843 --> 02:49:36.976
<v Loretta Smith>You got to wait for the charter change, y'all.

1720
02:49:37.688 --> 02:49:41.425
<v Loretta Smith>It's like, you know, my grandkids, they want to open their presents the day before Christmas.

1721
02:49:41.914 --> 02:49:44.676
<v Loretta Smith>No, you want to change stuff, you can't.

1722
02:49:45.724 --> 02:49:48.948
<v Loretta Smith>In order to get this change, you have to go through charter, or you have to go get a declaratory judgment.

1723
02:49:48.996 --> 02:49:49.128
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1724
02:49:49.918 --> 02:49:59.126
<v Loretta Smith>So, I mean, you know, these are, these are things that I know you're trying to solve a problem before we get there, but let's wait till after the election and we'll see.

1725
02:50:01.889 --> 02:50:02.909
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1726
02:50:02.976 --> 02:50:04.440
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, then Novick.

1727
02:50:06.775 --> 02:50:11.514
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was hoping to have some other folks talk first, but the queue was getting short, so I jumped in.

1728
02:50:12.095 --> 02:50:40.557
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, colleagues A lot of the proposals that we considered in this group continue to strike me as reactions to the past 2 elections, and that makes me a little bit uncomfortable because, um, we get a lot of good done all together, and we don't know what the future will hold for this body.

1729
02:50:40.685 --> 02:50:56.798
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I, I don't mean that looking I mean that looking to 4 or 8 or 10 years from now and the fact that any number of things could come up that this body faces in that time.

1730
02:50:57.862 --> 02:51:10.600
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And writing rules specific to 2 discrete challenges has a real opportunity to leave us with even more challenges down the road.

1731
02:51:10.647 --> 02:51:10.792
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1732
02:51:12.360 --> 02:51:22.180
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to state clearly that I trust our current council president to preside over a council president election, whether or not he is running.

1733
02:51:22.966 --> 02:51:28.679
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I trust any of you to preside over a vote that you have a vested interest in.

1734
02:51:28.743 --> 02:51:29.786
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We do that every day.

1735
02:51:30.268 --> 02:51:35.932
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We do that every time somebody is chairing a body and has a proposal, chairing a committee and has a proposal before it.

1736
02:51:36.590 --> 02:51:37.842
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We do that when we let chairs set agendas.

1737
02:51:37.906 --> 02:51:38.387
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that's a good point.

1738
02:51:39.574 --> 02:51:45.895
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are plenty of places where we all have vested interests in the work and preside over it nonetheless.

1739
02:51:47.338 --> 02:51:51.189
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also don't think anybody should be disenfranchised for having stepped up.

1740
02:51:52.022 --> 02:51:59.210
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So proposals like asking the council president not to preside or not to vote are non-starters for me.

1741
02:52:00.430 --> 02:52:17.130
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In fact, I don't want us to disenfranchise any of our colleagues ever, and I think I'm also not interested in options which depend upon members who may no longer be in office.

1742
02:52:17.829 --> 02:52:29.950
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So an automatic vice president succession, succession, or the council president abstaining assumes that somebody is still in office who may have chosen not to run the next term.

1743
02:52:30.031 --> 02:52:30.451
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that's a good point.

1744
02:52:31.539 --> 02:52:47.852
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that leads us to a long path of figuring out what-ifs, if we get stuck in a council president election and the method for resolving it that we have before us isn't actually possible.

1745
02:52:49.479 --> 02:52:53.835
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There's also a whole category of things here that bring some of our deliberations behind closed doors.

1746
02:52:53.900 --> 02:52:55.471
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And this is a very important category.

1747
02:52:55.568 --> 02:52:55.649
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah.

1748
02:52:56.139 --> 02:53:02.983
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This council has repeatedly tried to move more and more of our deliberations into the open and to the public.

1749
02:53:04.120 --> 02:53:18.577
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Now, I do think that the work of running our body is at times different from the work of running our city, and it may be that it helps to ease tension if we move some of those conversations behind closed doors.

1750
02:53:19.476 --> 02:53:24.828
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But if we do that, I want us to be careful about how we do that and how much we move behind closed doors.

1751
02:53:26.600 --> 02:53:30.246
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because I want Portlanders to still trust this body.

1752
02:53:31.969 --> 02:53:37.944
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I do think that what helped us last year was a cooling-off period.

1753
02:53:38.415 --> 02:53:59.852
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And while it wasn't mandatory, and while there were some folks who were frustrated that we took 6 days before we reconvened, that time allowed folks to bring the temperature down, have some additional non-quorum discussions, and come back and move us forward.

1754
02:54:01.054 --> 02:54:02.564
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't think that needs to be mandatory.

1755
02:54:03.083 --> 02:54:05.486
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We did it without it being mandated last time around.

1756
02:54:06.872 --> 02:54:30.480
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I do think things like a cooling-off period, like moving other names forward, Maybe even considering, um, the incumbent remaining in office for a period of time, though I have concerns about somebody not being able to move us forward and get the work done if that's the case.

1757
02:54:31.468 --> 02:54:35.965
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, those may help ease tension, and I think that's what I'm looking for here.

1758
02:54:36.737 --> 02:54:41.037
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I actually don't think the status quo is as broken as I think some of you all do.

1759
02:54:42.277 --> 02:55:13.443
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But if we're going to look for changes, I'm looking for things that allow us opportunities to So that we can move forward with good decision-making that gets us out of, um, impasses that may actually be about a specific person or a specific concern and not about the issue at hand.

1760
02:55:13.509 --> 02:55:13.688
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1761
02:55:14.760 --> 02:55:18.148
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll leave it there for now.

1762
02:55:18.229 --> 02:55:19.563
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I look forward to hearing from others.

1763
02:55:19.900 --> 02:55:20.254
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thanks, Chair.

1764
02:55:20.783 --> 02:55:22.293
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1765
02:55:22.486 --> 02:55:23.949
<v Sameer Kanal>Go to Councilor Novick, then Green.

1766
02:55:24.013 --> 02:55:28.141
<v Sameer Kanal>And just as a flag, after Councilor Green, I will be closing the queue, so feel free to get in before that.

1767
02:55:28.977 --> 02:55:36.078
<v Steve Novick>Uh, just real quickly, I agree with everything that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just said, except that I do think that there's some discussions should be had in private.

1768
02:55:36.689 --> 02:55:41.779
<v Steve Novick>And I think that the public would be perfectly fine with us resolving some things in private rather than everything happened to be in public.

1769
02:55:42.388 --> 02:55:46.105
<v Steve Novick>Um, I also just want to say, Councilor Smith, I don't think it was clear before, you're absolutely right.

1770
02:55:46.795 --> 02:55:50.465
<v Steve Novick>The charter says the mayor breaks ties, and that means all ties.

1771
02:55:50.977 --> 02:55:53.861
<v Steve Novick>So I think I support your idea for declaratory judgment.

1772
02:55:54.326 --> 02:56:01.073
<v Steve Novick>I was just saying that I understand people's uneasiness with the idea of a mayor deciding the leadership of the council, but there's a solution to that.

1773
02:56:01.474 --> 02:56:05.704
<v Steve Novick>If we want to make sure that that doesn't happen, then set out a charter change to establish a 13th councilor.

1774
02:56:06.948 --> 02:56:07.368
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1775
02:56:08.238 --> 02:56:09.224
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1776
02:56:09.272 --> 02:56:10.662
<v Sameer Kanal>We'll go to Councilor Green, then Clark.

1777
02:56:13.690 --> 02:56:22.254
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, to the, um, kind of substantive options here, I think generally speaking I favor simplicity.

1778
02:56:23.479 --> 02:56:33.667
<v Mitch Green>Um, you know, uh, it'd be nice if we could walk into this chambers and resolve the question in one or two rounds.

1779
02:56:34.112 --> 02:56:40.000
<v Mitch Green>But that will depend upon the electorate and who they choose to represent them, right?

1780
02:56:40.081 --> 02:56:42.717
<v Mitch Green>So we can't necessarily predict that.

1781
02:56:43.655 --> 02:56:44.856
<v Mitch Green>But I do think we have some tools here.

1782
02:56:46.579 --> 02:56:46.826
<v Mitch Green>I kind of—.

1783
02:56:46.860 --> 02:57:08.549
<v Mitch Green>I generally agree with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's sort of misgivings on approaches that would depend upon people who are serving and assume that they are going to serve like, what if you don't want to be the council president and you're currently the vice president?

1784
02:57:08.549 --> 02:57:11.389
<v Mitch Green>Like, that feels like a sentence more than it feels like an opportunity.

1785
02:57:12.850 --> 02:57:17.129
<v Mitch Green>So I think, like, what's standing— what's coming up to the surface for me is a combination of a few things.

1786
02:57:17.129 --> 02:57:28.952
<v Mitch Green>One, I like the idea of this sort of deliberate work session approach where we can start to sort of make the case and, like, who we— what kind of leader we want, what kind of leadership style we want, what kind of Who can bring that skill set to bear?

1787
02:57:29.065 --> 02:57:29.932
<v Mitch Green>What are our priorities?

1788
02:57:30.286 --> 02:57:36.918
<v Mitch Green>And that really gets us to a point where we're starting the year doing a priority-based, um, sort of session, if you will.

1789
02:57:37.737 --> 02:57:40.596
<v Mitch Green>Um, I'm open to some level of executive session.

1790
02:57:41.673 --> 02:58:14.380
<v Mitch Green>Uh, and 2, I think— or 3, I guess— I like STAR voting because, and especially if we've got multiple candidates, because I think in some sense it removes I think there's always the incentive to pregame this, to sort of say, all right, I know that this person maybe won't have all the votes, so we'll put up this other person first, and then that person gets knocked out, and then we're coming in on the back end with someone who we're presenting as a compromise candidate, but maybe they were always the person we wanted in the first place.

1791
02:58:14.444 --> 02:58:18.700
<v Mitch Green>I think any given faction will always be given over to that strategy.

1792
02:58:18.747 --> 02:58:19.068
<v Mitch Green>Councilor Smith.

1793
02:58:19.182 --> 02:58:21.472
<v Mitch Green>Type of a strategy, and I don't think it's particularly helpful.

1794
02:58:21.922 --> 02:58:30.718
<v Mitch Green>And so if you have a STAR voting system, you simply just say, look, based upon the work session, we heard from these 3 different council president candidates, here are the different ways they'd approach it.

1795
02:58:31.102 --> 02:58:36.263
<v Mitch Green>You assign your points based upon what you like about them, and the vote resolves.

1796
02:58:36.871 --> 02:58:39.884
<v Mitch Green>And there's a very rare case where you might have a tie, and in that case, flip a coin.

1797
02:58:40.573 --> 02:58:41.486
<v Mitch Green>I think that's how I want to do it.

1798
02:58:41.838 --> 02:58:50.069
<v Mitch Green>Um, I think if we're going to do a charter amendment process, I'm not opposed to a 13th council but I mean, we're not gonna be able to do that anytime soon.

1799
02:58:50.090 --> 02:58:58.030
<v Mitch Green>So we gotta figure out how to— actually, you know what, I'm gonna take you one more, Councilor Ryan, 'cause I see your reaction.

1800
02:58:58.229 --> 02:58:59.139
<v Mitch Green>We're gonna have 21 councilors.

1801
02:58:59.950 --> 02:59:02.870
<v Mitch Green>We're gonna go as high as we can.

1802
02:59:02.870 --> 02:59:04.510
<v Mitch Green>Just kidding.

1803
02:59:04.510 --> 02:59:05.559
<v Dan Ryan>Put that in the budget.

1804
02:59:05.790 --> 02:59:07.250
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, we'll take it outta your budget.

1805
02:59:08.610 --> 02:59:10.979
<v Mitch Green>But yeah, no, I think that's the way to do it.

1806
02:59:14.043 --> 02:59:14.718
<v Mitch Green>I'll leave it there.

1807
02:59:15.038 --> 02:59:15.779
<v Mitch Green>We're just having fun.

1808
02:59:18.100 --> 02:59:18.211
<v Sameer Kanal>We do.

1809
02:59:18.292 --> 02:59:19.307
<v Sameer Kanal>We have people online.

1810
02:59:19.806 --> 02:59:22.656
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we'll go to Councilor— I'm going to close the queue.

1811
02:59:23.121 --> 02:59:27.147
<v Sameer Kanal>It's going to go Councilor Clark, Zimmerman, Ryan, and then myself, and then we will wrap.

1812
02:59:27.227 --> 02:59:29.906
<v Sameer Kanal>I do know we have about 5 minutes left, so please keep it brief if you can.

1813
02:59:29.970 --> 02:59:32.878
<v Sameer Kanal>But I know 2 of you have not spoken yet, so Councilor Clark, take it away.

1814
02:59:33.877 --> 02:59:35.706
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, thank you, Chair Kanal.

1815
02:59:36.063 --> 02:59:38.653
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I actually— I think it's been a good discussion.

1816
02:59:38.815 --> 02:59:40.693
<v Olivia Clark>I agree with some things, disagree with others.

1817
02:59:40.774 --> 02:59:53.063
<v Olivia Clark>Don't need to get into it, but I was wondering if there's I was wondering if there's an attorney in the room that can tell us exactly what it will take for us to get that declaratory judgment, because I really think we need to do that and get that out of the way.

1818
02:59:54.025 --> 02:59:55.872
<v Olivia Clark>Is there somebody who can address that?

1819
02:59:56.273 --> 03:00:06.037
<v Sameer Kanal>So we spoke— the attorneys are not available that fast, but I know that we kind of— the idea behind this is council vibe and initial positioning.

1820
03:00:06.245 --> 03:00:09.280
<v Sameer Kanal>So, and then if there's a proposal to do that, I wasn't—.

1821
03:00:09.280 --> 03:00:09.537
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1822
03:00:10.083 --> 03:00:11.140
<v Sameer Kanal>So there's nobody in the room right now.

1823
03:00:11.190 --> 03:00:13.869
<v Sameer Kanal>I know your angle might not show it.

1824
03:00:13.996 --> 03:00:21.584
<v Olivia Clark>Okay, no, I can't, I can't see the room, but I am interested in finding out exactly what that would take because I'm very supportive of that.

1825
03:00:22.819 --> 03:00:35.588
<v Olivia Clark>I thought that number 4, the incumbent must abstain, is kind of interesting, and I appreciate what Councilor Green said, that you don't want the vice president to be forced to do that.

1826
03:00:35.668 --> 03:00:36.375
<v Olivia Clark>It really is a sentiment.

1827
03:00:38.545 --> 03:00:41.085
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Clark.

1828
03:00:41.135 --> 03:00:42.759
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Zimmerman, followed by Ryan.

1829
03:00:43.161 --> 03:00:43.402
<v Unidentified speaker>Right.

1830
03:00:44.897 --> 03:00:46.345
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, thank you.

1831
03:00:47.406 --> 03:00:49.022
<v Eric Zimmerman>This is an interesting document.

1832
03:00:49.328 --> 03:01:03.170
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, I'm glad that the conversation has gone more serious than I think the document at least first fell in my lap, because penny flipping and asking people to not vote is not something you'll ever see me support.

1833
03:01:03.332 --> 03:01:12.963
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I find that just incredibly strange and probably a charter violation, to be truthful, to say, hey, one councilor cannot vote because of some of the reasons that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney put out.

1834
03:01:13.012 --> 03:01:19.643
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'm glad that this conversation is going more serious than I thought the document sounded on initial perusing.

1835
03:01:19.691 --> 03:01:23.191
<v Eric Zimmerman>I did not know that so much work had gone into this or that it was even occurring.

1836
03:01:24.427 --> 03:01:33.805
<v Eric Zimmerman>I do want to just say we've had 2 council presidents over 2 years who have had every opportunity available to them to fix this grand question of charter.

1837
03:01:34.850 --> 03:01:46.965
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I want to remind folks that just because a city attorney says one thing, the council president, the presiding officer, is the person who rules.

1838
03:01:48.345 --> 03:01:58.340
<v Eric Zimmerman>And there's really only one time when this would not have applied, and that was the very first time we elected a council president when we had no presiding officer in a true sense.

1839
03:01:58.405 --> 03:01:59.834
<v Eric Zimmerman>But ever since then, we have had a presiding officer.

1840
03:01:59.882 --> 03:01:59.995
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1841
03:02:00.172 --> 03:02:00.253
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

1842
03:02:00.301 --> 03:02:02.156
<v Eric Zimmerman>Officer over every time.

1843
03:02:02.575 --> 03:02:07.884
<v Eric Zimmerman>And the presiding officer is the one who does or doesn't determine whether or not to call the attorney in.

1844
03:02:08.788 --> 03:02:15.846
<v Eric Zimmerman>Now, some folks may have disagreed with that, and they may agree with our attorney's— our city attorney's interpretation of the charter.

1845
03:02:17.914 --> 03:02:24.927
<v Eric Zimmerman>But it would take, I think, a majority, if not a supermajority, to overrule that council president's ruling in that situation.

1846
03:02:25.522 --> 03:02:43.685
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I just want to I just wanted to lift up that aspect of what we're talking about is that I don't know that we even need to go— I mean, we may need to go down this injunction standpoint, and I think Councilor Smith is very right in this, and I will support her all the way to that so that we are following charter.

1847
03:02:44.744 --> 03:03:05.102
<v Eric Zimmerman>A couple of things that are in the meat or the spirit here, Chair, that I guess I just want to address a little bit is I don't adopt and adhere to this idea that the council president I'll be honest, I'm kind of looking for a council president to be somebody who's in the seat for a while if they're doing well.

1848
03:03:06.340 --> 03:03:09.768
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am so looking forward to some sort of stability on this council.

1849
03:03:10.860 --> 03:03:20.948
<v Eric Zimmerman>And this idea that we must automatically switch or that it switches between districts or automatically becomes a vice, those kind of things I don't think actually add stability to a governing body.

1850
03:03:21.001 --> 03:03:21.408
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think it's a good idea.

1851
03:03:22.384 --> 03:03:29.725
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that that's why we see in many places presidents and speakers of bodies, they stay for a while as long as they've got the support.

1852
03:03:30.286 --> 03:03:33.227
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I want to continue to enable that type of leadership.

1853
03:03:34.326 --> 03:03:53.594
<v Eric Zimmerman>And lastly, I think that what we saw this year was the politicking, and I know politics is a word that we usually use as a curse, but the politicking that it took to get our current council president Council President, uh, it started, but it could have very well started a lot earlier, right?

1854
03:03:53.674 --> 03:04:02.422
<v Eric Zimmerman>There were obviously deals struck to get certain people roles that then got people votes, and that shouldn't be seen as a bad idea.

1855
03:04:02.533 --> 03:04:03.995
<v Eric Zimmerman>It takes building a coalition.

1856
03:04:04.220 --> 03:04:14.654
<v Eric Zimmerman>It takes talking to the folks who maybe are on the fence about your leadership, but being able to get something out of maybe a committee leadership, a vice presidency, etc., to lend support.

1857
03:04:14.734 --> 03:04:18.877
<v Eric Zimmerman>Those are the types of things that I think actually people, they kind of know exists and should happen.

1858
03:04:20.272 --> 03:04:26.343
<v Eric Zimmerman>That as this body matures, I think we'll see discussion more of.

1859
03:04:26.470 --> 03:04:31.014
<v Eric Zimmerman>There was a little bit of an allusion to like the leadership of council and what it would look like.

1860
03:04:31.127 --> 03:04:33.456
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'll just show my cards, right?

1861
03:04:33.504 --> 03:04:48.820
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm looking for somebody who will talk about how they plan to set up our committees so that we're not in back-to-back 3-hour meetings I'm looking to see somebody who's going to talk about how they are going to utilize the council so that when the council shows up, they are showing up the best they can.

1862
03:04:49.559 --> 03:04:58.504
<v Eric Zimmerman>And as wonderful as I think we all might think we are, none of us are our best on hour 6, and yet we structurally have hour 6 happen every single week.

1863
03:04:59.113 --> 03:05:04.878
<v Eric Zimmerman>So those types of things, I, I, I am, I am not inclined actually to change anything about this process.

1864
03:05:05.070 --> 03:05:13.465
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am I am inclined to allow the cream to rise and the best politician who can put forward a good path, a good plan, and build a coalition to rise.

1865
03:05:14.041 --> 03:05:19.162
<v Eric Zimmerman>I just think we are still in the diaper phase, frankly, with figuring this out, and it's been a little rocky.

1866
03:05:19.915 --> 03:05:21.793
<v Eric Zimmerman>But, uh, that's where I'm at.

1867
03:05:21.922 --> 03:05:30.379
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I, again, I want to say the document didn't land great on me, but your guys' discussion in there and listening has been helpful, and I do appreciate that.

1868
03:05:31.135 --> 03:05:33.576
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, And it tells me kind of where some of the motivations are.

1869
03:05:33.640 --> 03:05:37.385
<v Eric Zimmerman>I just think we come from very different motivations, and so I do respect those positions.

1870
03:05:38.284 --> 03:05:39.297
<v Eric Zimmerman>And thank you for the chat.

1871
03:05:39.458 --> 03:05:42.060
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1872
03:05:42.140 --> 03:05:45.274
<v Sameer Kanal>I know we're just over time, so Councilor Ryan briefly, and then I'll close this out.

1873
03:05:45.370 --> 03:05:46.448
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1874
03:05:46.512 --> 03:05:50.191
<v Dan Ryan>This is kind of like a throat-clearing work session on this topic.

1875
03:05:51.299 --> 03:05:54.176
<v Dan Ryan>I would say I'm still at number 1, adding number 2.

1876
03:05:54.915 --> 03:05:59.959
<v Dan Ryan>I'm fine with a work session, no to a yes to cooling off.

1877
03:06:00.007 --> 03:06:03.556
<v Dan Ryan>And I think working that out in a work session might be one reason to have one.

1878
03:06:04.872 --> 03:06:09.560
<v Dan Ryan>If we remain deadlocked, I think the incumbent should remain so we can do city's business.

1879
03:06:11.055 --> 03:06:22.470
<v Dan Ryan>And just since I had audible rejections to adding a 13th member, I need to say that I could see it if we were going to trim from 3 to 2 from each district, and then I think the public might be for it.

1880
03:06:22.519 --> 03:06:22.614
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1881
03:06:23.296 --> 03:06:24.806
<v Dan Ryan>I'm listening to the public out there.

1882
03:06:24.853 --> 03:06:28.388
<v Dan Ryan>I haven't heard anyone that wants us to add more seats, so I'll rest there.

1883
03:06:28.838 --> 03:06:30.735
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1884
03:06:30.799 --> 03:06:33.180
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll just say one comment before we close it out.

1885
03:06:34.021 --> 03:06:41.328
<v Sameer Kanal>For me, the underlying goal is to build public trust in the system and earn it.

1886
03:06:41.927 --> 03:06:51.134
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that involves at a minimum ending it on the same day, the same calendar day, not day as defined by recessing yes.

1887
03:06:51.647 --> 03:06:57.370
<v Sameer Kanal>The, you know, before we leave the chamber permanently to go home, it is resolved.

1888
03:06:57.738 --> 03:07:09.712
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, and so that to me is a core underlying feature of it and my reason for, um, opposing the, the recesses cooling off, remaining the, you know, keeping the council present in place for some period of time.

1889
03:07:09.841 --> 03:07:11.636
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think it's our job to do that.

1890
03:07:11.683 --> 03:07:15.611
<v Sameer Kanal>I think we were elected to do it, and I want to make sure that that is something that we're required to do as well.

1891
03:07:16.413 --> 03:07:22.590
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we're going to revisit this It is currently tentatively scheduled to come back as a discussion item on November 5th.

1892
03:07:22.782 --> 03:07:26.694
<v Sameer Kanal>There's a lot of items in the November 5th and 12th place, so we may not get to all of those.

1893
03:07:27.049 --> 03:07:29.627
<v Sameer Kanal>I welcome any feedback on that as we get closer to that date.

1894
03:07:29.772 --> 03:07:31.253
<v Sameer Kanal>The time is now 5:03.

1895
03:07:31.317 --> 03:07:33.750
<v Sameer Kanal>We do have a council meeting this evening at 6:00.

1896
03:07:34.136 --> 03:07:37.263
<v Sameer Kanal>And so with that, this meeting of the Committee of the Whole is adjourned.

1897
03:07:37.362 --> 03:07:37.643
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1898
03:07:37.956 --> 03:07:38.713
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

