{ "meetingId": "2026-10-21-fgc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Finance & Governance Committee (Whole) 10/21/26", "displayTitle": "Finance & Governance Committee (Whole)", "date": "2026-10-21T14:00:00-07:00", "duration": 188, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tj8iK-ucLE", "videoId": "9tj8iK-ucLE", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole/2026/10/21", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 1, "title": "Committee Chair updates", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-373" }, { "number": 2, "title": "Reappoint Kim Lohr and Craig Freeman to the Revenue Division Appeals Board", "type": "Report", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/report/revenue-division-appeals-board-2026" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Reappoint member to the Cully Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committee and appoint new members to the 82nd Avenue Area and Sumner-Parkrose-Argay-Columbia Corridor Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committees", "type": "Report", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/report/reappoint-and-appoint-members-tif-clcs" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Appoint Thomas Kemper and Brian Harvey to the Home Forward Board of Commissioners for terms to expire October 27, 2030", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/home-forward-portland-board-appointments" }, { "number": 5, "title": "Appoint Uriah Edmunds to the Home Forward Board of Commissioners for a term to expire August 7, 2028", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/home-forward-gresham-appointment" }, { "number": 6, "title": "Appoint alternate members to the Community Board for Police Accountability", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/appoint-alternate-members-cbpa" }, { "number": 7, "title": "Council leadership election process", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-378" } ], "summary": "**The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 9-2 on Oct. 21 to recommend that the full City Council reappoint Weinstein as an alternate member of the Community Board for Police Accountability, a condition of settling the lawsuit he filed after his removal ([02:27:16](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:27:16)).**\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) chaired. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) was absent, and Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) arrived partway through.\n\n## Police-oversight alternate returns under settlement\n\nChief Deputy City Attorney Heidi Brown said Weinstein was removed after declining to sign a confidentiality and nondisclosure agreement, then sued. The non-monetary settlement revises that agreement, which all board members will sign, and posts non-privileged board trainings online; one training Brown gave stays privileged. Dismissal of the suit is \"dependent upon if Mr. Weinstein is reappointed,\" she said ([02:17:39](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:17:39)).\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) said his earlier objection was Weinstein's apparent refusal to work with the City Attorney's Office: \"So now I no longer have a reason to object Mr. Weinstein\" ([02:23:11](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:23:11)). Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said \"the very serious concerns that I had raised the last time we talked about Mr. Weinstein's appointment remain\" ([02:24:06](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:24:06)). Avalos and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) voted no. Kanal, a co-sponsor, said he had voted against the removal. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) moved the referral.\n\n## Home Forward nominees pressed on troubled buildings\n\nThe committee voted **11-0**, with one absent, to recommend Thomas Kemper and Brian Harvey for Portland seats on the Home Forward board ([02:02:05](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:02:05)), and 11-0 for Gresham's nominee, Uriah Edmonds ([02:03:10](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:03:10)). Deputy City Administrator Donnie Oliveira said the county housing authority is \"running up against quorum issues at Home Forward\" ([00:47:21](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@00:47:21)). Harvey, a tenant organizer, fills the seat reserved for a resident.\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3) asked about an Oregonian story on deaths and violence at a Home Forward complex. Kemper said, \"I was stunned by that article\" ([01:01:45](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:01:45)), and would visit that property first. Edmonds said \"one of the complexes sat at 50% capacity\" ([01:07:49](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:07:49)). Morillo cited a state estimate that Portland needs about 15,000 units affordable at up to 60% of area median income; Kemper answered that \"ultimately it's money, unfortunately\" ([00:58:55](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@00:58:55)). Asked by Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) about vacancy and unpaid-rent data, Kemper said, \"Those will be the questions that I ask immediately once my appointment is effective\" ([01:21:44](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:21:44)).\n\nKanal said he was disappointed interim director Bonaccor did not attend; Oliveira replied, \"the mayor makes these recommendations to you all, not the ED of Home Forward\" ([01:42:34](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:42:34)). Board Chair Jenny Kim said \"none of us have automatic access to any of the buildings\" ([01:44:42](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:44:42)). Kanal said that \"makes me think that maybe we should be having the broader conversation about cleaning house\" ([01:46:02](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:46:02)), though it would not affect his vote. He said Home Forward is back on his list of potential oversight topics.\n\nHarvey, testifying online, said, \"This might be the most terrifying experience I've ever had\" ([01:14:02](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:14:02)). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) told him, \"no one's watching this really. It's my mom, like, on YouTube\" ([01:40:16](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:40:16)).\n\n## Testimony and a late vote\n\nOne person testified at the meeting, and no general open-comment period was held. Addie Smith opposed the nominees, asked \"Where are the Black people?\", and said, \"I vehemently reject the appointment of Thomas Kemper and Uriah Edmonds\" ([01:32:10](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@01:32:10)). When she asked to run past three minutes, Kanal gave her 30 seconds.\n\nOn the Kemper-Harvey vote, the clerk had announced 10 ayes when Zimmerman cast an aye. Kanal sought unanimous consent to count it; Smith said, \"Let him vote\" ([02:01:31](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:01:31)), and the roll was rerun.\n\n## Council debates breaking leadership deadlocks\n\nA workgroup of Avalos, Dunphy, Kanal, Smith and Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) laid out six options for when no candidate for council president gets seven votes: no change, a mayoral tiebreak, keeping the incumbent, barring the incumbent from voting, random chance such as a coin flip, or automatic succession by the vice president. Absent changes, the election proceeds Jan. 6, 2027. No legislation was proposed.\n\nSmith said the charter already makes the mayor the tiebreaker, that legal counsel had cleared her to seek a declaratory judgment, and that \"We are in a constitutional crisis\" ([02:36:45](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:36:45)). Ryan, Novick and Councilor Olivia Clark (District 4) backed a court ruling; Novick also proposed a charter amendment adding a 13th at-large councilor. Later, without naming a colleague, Smith said, \"thank you, um, our lawyer friend up here on the council for telling me I can break the law\" ([02:47:10](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:47:10)).\n\nGreen said \"96% of the votes before this body are resolved\" ([02:39:45](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:39:45)), wants a rule before year's end and favors a points-based vote with a coin-flip tiebreak. Avalos called it \"a governance and council culture problem\" ([02:31:54](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:31:54)). Kanal favored barring the incumbent from voting. Pirtle-Guiney called proposals to keep the president from presiding or voting \"non-starters for me\" ([02:50:06](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@02:50:06)). Zimmerman said, \"penny flipping and asking people to not vote is not something you'll ever see me support\" ([03:00:44](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@03:00:44)), and called the council \"still in the diaper phase.\"\n\n## Other appointments advance\n\nThe committee voted 10-0 to recommend reappointing Kim Lohr and Craig Freeman, both licensed accountants, to the Revenue Division Appeals Board, which hears tax appeals ([00:18:29](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@00:18:29)). It also voted 10-0 to recommend Renata, Victor Rome III and Sky Waters to tax increment financing district Community Leadership Committees in East Portland, as presented by Prosper Portland Executive Director Cornell Wesley ([00:38:54](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@00:38:54)).\n\n## What's next\n\nAll five appointment measures go to the full Council. The leadership-election discussion is tentatively set to return **Nov. 5** ([03:06:28](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@03:06:28)). Prosper Portland plans to bring Cully nominees to Council in January 2027. Novick hopes to bring the Portland Police Bureau back to the Committee on Community and Public Safety on response times ([00:11:04](meeting:2026-10-21-fgc-1@00:11:04)).", "summaryText": "The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 9-2 on Oct. 21 to recommend that the full City Council reappoint Weinstein as an alternate member of the Community Board for Police Accountability, a condition of settling the lawsuit he filed after his removal (02:27:16).\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) chaired. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) was absent, and Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) arrived partway through.\n\nChief Deputy City Attorney Heidi Brown said Weinstein was removed after declining to sign a confidentiality and nondisclosure agreement, then sued. The non-monetary settlement revises that agreement, which all board members will sign, and posts non-privileged board trainings online; one training Brown gave stays privileged. Dismissal of the suit is \"dependent upon if Mr. Weinstein is reappointed,\" she said (02:17:39).\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) said his earlier objection was Weinstein's apparent refusal to work with the City Attorney's Office: \"So now I no longer have a reason to object Mr. Weinstein\" (02:23:11). Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said \"the very serious concerns that I had raised the last time we talked about Mr. Weinstein's appointment remain\" (02:24:06). Avalos and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) voted no. Kanal, a co-sponsor, said he had voted against the removal. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) moved the referral.\n\nThe committee voted 11-0, with one absent, to recommend Thomas Kemper and Brian Harvey for Portland seats on the Home Forward board (02:02:05), and 11-0 for Gresham's nominee, Uriah Edmonds (02:03:10). Deputy City Administrator Donnie Oliveira said the county housing authority is \"running up against quorum issues at Home Forward\" (00:47:21). Harvey, a tenant organizer, fills the seat reserved for a resident.\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3) asked about an Oregonian story on deaths and violence at a Home Forward complex. Kemper said, \"I was stunned by that article\" (01:01:45), and would visit that property first. Edmonds said \"one of the complexes sat at 50% capacity\" (01:07:49). Morillo cited a state estimate that Portland needs about 15,000 units affordable at up to 60% of area median income; Kemper answered that \"ultimately it's money, unfortunately\" (00:58:55). Asked by Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) about vacancy and unpaid-rent data, Kemper said, \"Those will be the questions that I ask immediately once my appointment is effective\" (01:21:44).\n\nKanal said he was disappointed interim director Bonaccor did not attend; Oliveira replied, \"the mayor makes these recommendations to you all, not the ED of Home Forward\" (01:42:34). Board Chair Jenny Kim said \"none of us have automatic access to any of the buildings\" (01:44:42). Kanal said that \"makes me think that maybe we should be having the broader conversation about cleaning house\" (01:46:02), though it would not affect his vote. He said Home Forward is back on his list of potential oversight topics.\n\nHarvey, testifying online, said, \"This might be the most terrifying experience I've ever had\" (01:14:02). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) told him, \"no one's watching this really. It's my mom, like, on YouTube\" (01:40:16).\n\nOne person testified at the meeting, and no general open-comment period was held. Addie Smith opposed the nominees, asked \"Where are the Black people?\", and said, \"I vehemently reject the appointment of Thomas Kemper and Uriah Edmonds\" (01:32:10). When she asked to run past three minutes, Kanal gave her 30 seconds.\n\nOn the Kemper-Harvey vote, the clerk had announced 10 ayes when Zimmerman cast an aye. Kanal sought unanimous consent to count it; Smith said, \"Let him vote\" (02:01:31), and the roll was rerun.\n\nA workgroup of Avalos, Dunphy, Kanal, Smith and Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) laid out six options for when no candidate for council president gets seven votes: no change, a mayoral tiebreak, keeping the incumbent, barring the incumbent from voting, random chance such as a coin flip, or automatic succession by the vice president. Absent changes, the election proceeds Jan. 6, 2027. No legislation was proposed.\n\nSmith said the charter already makes the mayor the tiebreaker, that legal counsel had cleared her to seek a declaratory judgment, and that \"We are in a constitutional crisis\" (02:36:45). Ryan, Novick and Councilor Olivia Clark (District 4) backed a court ruling; Novick also proposed a charter amendment adding a 13th at-large councilor. Later, without naming a colleague, Smith said, \"thank you, um, our lawyer friend up here on the council for telling me I can break the law\" (02:47:10).\n\nGreen said \"96% of the votes before this body are resolved\" (02:39:45), wants a rule before year's end and favors a points-based vote with a coin-flip tiebreak. Avalos called it \"a governance and council culture problem\" (02:31:54). Kanal favored barring the incumbent from voting. Pirtle-Guiney called proposals to keep the president from presiding or voting \"non-starters for me\" (02:50:06). Zimmerman said, \"penny flipping and asking people to not vote is not something you'll ever see me support\" (03:00:44), and called the council \"still in the diaper phase.\"\n\nThe committee voted 10-0 to recommend reappointing Kim Lohr and Craig Freeman, both licensed accountants, to the Revenue Division Appeals Board, which hears tax appeals (00:18:29). It also voted 10-0 to recommend Renata, Victor Rome III and Sky Waters to tax increment financing district Community Leadership Committees in East Portland, as presented by Prosper Portland Executive Director Cornell Wesley (00:38:54).\n\nAll five appointment measures go to the full Council. The leadership-election discussion is tentatively set to return Nov. 5 (03:06:28). Prosper Portland plans to bring Cully nominees to Council in January 2027. Novick hopes to bring the Portland Police Bureau back to the Committee on Community and Public Safety on response times (00:11:04).", "summaryLede": "The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 9-2 on Oct. 21 to recommend that the full City Council reappoint Weinstein as an alternate member of the Community Board for Police Accountability, a condition of settling the lawsuit he filed after his removal.", "sections": [ { "title": "Regular agenda", "startTime": "00:05:39.829", "endTime": "03:07:22.782", "items": [ { "title": "Committee Chair updates (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:05:39.829", "endTime": "00:12:15.941", "agendaItemNumber": 1 }, { "title": "Reappoint Kim Lohr and Craig Freeman to the Revenue Division Appeals Board (Report)", "startTime": "00:12:15.941", "endTime": "00:19:26.987", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Reappoint member to the Cully Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committee and appoint new members to the 82nd Avenue Area and 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"start": 444.66, "end": 450.084, "text": "If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent, and virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 450.196, "end": 450.517, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 451.865, "end": 452.731, "text": "Thank you, Christopher.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 453.63, "end": 464.091, "text": "Colleagues, today we have a pretty packed agenda with items that are primarily related to reports or resolutions that appoint people to various appointed bodies and commissions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 464.877, "end": 472.288, "text": "We will have some folks here joining us for those, but obviously each staff present the presenter will let us know who is able to join us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 473.041, "end": 486.282, "text": "Um, following that, we do have an item which is a report back from a workgroup that was established to discuss the process by which City Council, um, elects its council leadership each January.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 486.907, "end": 489.424, "text": "Um, that's designed to be a conversation starter.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 489.488, "end": 497.231, "text": "It's not designed to come up with any particular outcomes on the day, but enable those to be considered going into, uh, the fall and, and into January.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 498.129, "end": 503.795, "text": "Um, with that, I'm going to ask if— Councilor Diego, if you could read item 1, please.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 504.718, "end": 510.884, "text": "Item 1, document number 2026-373, committee chair updates.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 511.678, "end": 512.343, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 512.797, "end": 515.02, "text": "So the item is posted online.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 515.084, "end": 517.258, "text": "There's copies being passed around.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 520.1, "end": 528.896, "text": "The committee, or sorry, the chair update today, it's primarily making a lot of things that were possible into tentative or tentative into confirmed as we get closer to the end of the year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 529.5, "end": 530.909, "text": "Most of the things that are left thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 531.054, "end": 534.871, "text": "The things that are marked as tentative are just things that haven't been filed yet by the administration.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 534.92, "end": 544.256, "text": "For example, the appointments on November 18th are effectively, we're being told, are locked in, just haven't yet been put through the filing process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 546.513, "end": 549.282, "text": "Couple dates moving up and down, things like that as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 550.281, "end": 553.613, "text": "But this is pretty much our run for the rest of the year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 553.678, "end": 563.915, "text": "We do have a little bit of flexibility built in in case somebody files something, but I would strongly advise colleagues who might have an item that is going to come to Committee of the Whole to file it it as soon as possible.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 564.781, "end": 579.169, "text": "Um, on page 2, I've made it pretty clear now on here that, uh, anything that isn't yet on this agenda is probably going to get, um, sent 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hearing on span of control and management layers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 616.35, "end": 631.049, "text": "We are getting a lot of assistance from the administration in that regard, but if there are any other councilors who'd like to be added to that, would love the support, and I'm sure I, I'll speak for Councilor Novick and say I'm sure he would too, uh, on helping go through what may be thousands of pages of records.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 632.107, "end": 645.568, "text": "Um, and then Councilor Clark is sick today, so I know she's online, but I think we're going to end up skipping unless there's anything, um, anyone wanted to add in terms of the, um, Public Works Committee, uh, coming up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 645.664, "end": 654.727, "text": "I don't know if, um, not to put anybody on the spot, but if there was anything that anyone wanted to add on that before we okay, any questions?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 654.775, "end": 656.723, "text": "I'll just let people have a moment to get in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 661.125, "end": 662.829, "text": "So, Councilor Novick?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 664.276, "end": 666.301, "text": "Yeah, just, um, thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 666.59, "end": 680.677, "text": "Um, on oversight/public safety response times, uh, I am hoping that we can bring PPB, uh, back up, up in caps again in the next couple of months to see if we can get more thorough answers than we got before.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 680.79, "end": 682.047, "text": "Yeah, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 682.16, "end": 691.448, "text": "And, and on that subject, I, I think, um, if it's something that checks the— that sort of the discussion 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take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 721.806, "end": 723.474, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 735.058, "end": 735.379, "text": "Perfect.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 735.941, "end": 736.776, "text": "Hello, good afternoon.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 737.387, "end": 740.823, "text": "I'm Selita Holt, the Audit and Accounting Manager with the Revenue Division.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 741.32, "end": 745.945, "text": "The Revenue Division is seeking to fill 2 positions on the Revenue Division Appeal Board.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 746.459, "end": 748.305, "text": "We refer to it as RDAB for short.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 749.349, "end": 755.53, "text": "The Revenue Division administers various tax and fee programs on behalf of the City of Portland, 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"id": "cue-102", "start": 836.172, "end": 843.65, "text": "Kim is a licensed CPA, formerly a state and local principal at Deloitte, and she more currently took on a position at Clark Neuberger.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 843.81, "end": 843.874, "text": "Hi.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 844.532, "end": 847.71, "text": "Kim has 30 years of experience in state and local taxation.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 848.208, "end": 851.899, "text": "This board position required approval from Multnomah County, and they approved.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 853.36, "end": 859.651, "text": "Craig is a licensed CPA, senior manager at Geffen Mesher, with more than 20 years of tax professional experience.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 860.005, "end": 864.162, "text": "This board position also required approval from Metro, and they approved.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 865.381, "end": 869.073, "text": "These 2 potential appointees meet the qualifications required by code.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 869.41, "end": 876.28, "text": "They have previously and will continue to serve the public, the City of Portland, and our partner agencies well in any matters coming before the board.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 877.741, "end": 885.56, "text": "As both candidates expressed interest in reappointment and both were also approved by Metro and/or Multnomah County, we did not recruit for these positions.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 886.893, "end": 887.92, "text": "So thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 888.113, "end": 889.895, "text": "I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 890.024, "end": 896.59, "text": "We also 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"Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 917.775, "end": 926.415, "text": "In terms of our current practice, both here and previous years, or last year I should say, for reappointees, we don't ask them to come give their introductory statement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 926.48, "end": 930.637, "text": "We only do that for new appointees, but they are available for questions and I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-122", "start": 930.799, "end": 935.039, "text": "So I'm just gonna pause for dramatic effect to see if there are folks in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-123", "start": 936.226, "end": 936.835, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-124", "start": 937.011, "end": 938.005, "text": "Yeah, real quick question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-125", "start": 938.149, "end": 939.159, "text": "Are these 2-year terms?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-126", "start": 939.768, "end": 940.762, "text": "So one of them is 2 years.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-127", "start": 940.874, "end": 945.603, "text": "So Craig's is a 2-year renewal and Kim is a 3-year.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 946.004, "end": 946.245, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 946.742, "end": 948.793, "text": "I just noticed they were different dates.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 948.954, "end": 949.066, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 949.274, "end": 950.637, "text": "And it's because they're filling in a—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 951.39, "end": 957.963, "text": "So yeah, we tried to stagger it so that we always have people that are currently appointed.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 958.043, "end": 960.271, "text": "So yeah, so some of them have 2 years, 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"Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 980.271, "end": 991.838, "text": "But the fact that this is being reproposed means somebody, I'm guessing in the mayor's office and/or your offices, has made the determination that it is in that you would like to recommend retaining them as well?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 992.191, "end": 992.416, "text": "Yes, yes.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 992.496, "end": 995.241, "text": "So we first ask them if they want to renew.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-144", "start": 995.498, "end": 1001.838, "text": "If they agree, then yeah, we run it past the mayor's office, or I believe Jonas in this case, and then also our stakeholders.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-145", "start": 1001.886, "end": 1003.17, "text": "So Multnomah County and Metro.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-146", "start": 1004.374, "end": 1012.753, "text": "And did Metro and Multnomah 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"Is our process for the revenue for these 2 spots, which are through intergovernmental agreement, effectively that we are taking their Multnomah County and Metro's recommendation, or is it a joint appointment?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-153", "start": 1041.547, "end": 1043.731, "text": "How would you describe the nature of that relationship?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-154", "start": 1043.987, "end": 1045.349, "text": "So I would say it's joint.", "speaker": "Selita Holt" }, { "id": "cue-155", "start": 1045.558, "end": 1054.631, "text": "If we first recommend them, but if Multnomah County or Metro, they have any concerns, then we would not go forward with it and proceed with the recruitment.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-156", "start": 1055.448, "end": 1056.41, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-157", "start": 1056.715, "end": 1057.196, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-158", "start": 1057.917, "end": 1065.179, "text": "Colleagues, seeing nobody else in the queue and there being no public testimony, I'll ask if Diego could please call the roll.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-159", "start": 1066.156, "end": 1066.701, "text": "Oh, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-160", "start": 1067.295, "end": 1069.795, "text": "We do need a— wait, this is a report.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1069.875, "end": 1076.737, "text": "So we do need a motion to refer the report on to the full council with a do pass recommendation moved by Councilor Councilor Ryan, is there a second?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1076.949, "end": 1078.904, "text": "Seconded by Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1080.68, "end": 1081.622, "text": "Is there any further discussion?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1083.02, 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"end": 1094.41, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1095.348, "end": 1095.801, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1097.192, "end": 1097.321, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1098.405, "end": 1098.712, "text": "Ryan?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1098.971, "end": 1099.051, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1100.2, "end": 1100.733, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1102.05, "end": 1102.114, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1102.869, "end": 1103.142, "text": "Morillo?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1104.636, "end": 1104.685, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1106.082, "end": 1106.436, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1106.725, "end": 1106.773, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1108.428, "end": 1108.509, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1109.392, "end": 1120.522, "text": "With 10 ayes and 2 absent, the motion carries to refer the report, document number 2026-370, to City Council with the recommendation it be accepted.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1121.422, "end": 1121.663, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1121.759, "end": 1123.623, "text": "Thank you, Kim and Craig, for your willingness to serve.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1123.687, "end": 1125.069, "text": "Thank you, Salida, for the presentation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1125.534, "end": 1128.809, "text": "And Diego, will you please call items Item 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1129.975, "end": 1152.728, "text": "Item 3, document number 2026-355, reappoint member to the Cully Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committee and appoint new members to the 82nd Avenue Area and Sumner Parkrose Argay Columbia Corridor Tax Increment Financing District Community Leadership Committees.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1153.866, "end": 1154.205, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1154.351, "end": 1157.556, "text": "And we have with us Executive Director of Prosper Portland, Cornell Wesley.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1157.977, "end": 1164.053, "text": "And while he's coming up, I'll just say I think this might set the record for longest title of a document we have had so far.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1166.987, "end": 1168.255, "text": "Thank you for being here, Director Wesley.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1168.338, "end": 1169.156, "text": "Please take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1171.34, "end": 1172.598, "text": "Well, good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1173.147, "end": 1178.439, "text": "For the record, my name is Cornell Wesley, and I have the pleasure of serving as Executive Director of Prosper Portland.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1178.568, "end": 1183.132, "text": "I'm excited to share the work that Prosper Portland and the Portland Housing Bureau are doing in East Portland.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1185.777, "end": 1192.782, "text": "And to present for consideration here individuals who will support the ongoing work in each TIF district.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1193.648, "end": 1209.934, "text": "Now, as a brief outline of this presentation, I will provide an overview of the East Portland TIF districts in terms of their timelines and where they are in the action planning process, as well as the roles these CLCs play in priority setting and investment strategy.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1210.88, "end": 1227.007, "text": "I will then share about the CLC selection process and close it by introducing the nominees as you can see on the screen, this presentation is titled Fall 2026 Reappointments.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1227.713, "end": 1241.988, "text": "I point that out because I want to make sure you all note that our intention going forward is to bring TIF CLC appointments to you in groups quarterly rather than bringing forward appointments individually and separately.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1242.132, "end": 1242.357, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1244.855, "end": 1245.306, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1248.787, "end": 1255.816, "text": "On the screen is a map of the East Portland TIF district boundaries overlaid with the council district map.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1256.56, "end": 1261.653, "text": "The East Portland TIF districts span Council Districts 1, 2, and 3.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1262.46, "end": 1269.864, "text": "The actions for today are consideration of one Cully CLC reappointment and a new appointment to the 82nd Avenue CLC.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1270.64, "end": 1273.39, "text": "And one new appointment for the Space CLC.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1274.691, "end": 1275.082, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1278.54, "end": 1287.229, "text": "I want to take a moment to reiterate how different the co-creation process is today compared to the process that led to the development of previous action plans.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1288.176, "end": 1293.346, "text": "The Cully co-creation model served as the blueprint for the other CLCs.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1294.296, "end": 1301.35, "text": "We have built on that model to create a more collaborative process to develop action plans that direct investment priorities.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1302.252, "end": 1309.196, "text": "With regards to the timeline on screen, you can see that each TIF district is on a different point in time.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1310.068, "end": 1316.64, "text": "Cully's district plan was adopted in late '22, and the inaugural CLC was appointed in '23.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" 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"speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1400.116, "end": 1408.651, "text": "And because action plans are updated every 5 years until the district closes, we have an opportunity to respond to what's changing on the ground.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1409.57, "end": 1418.735, "text": "That means incorporating evolving community priorities, Lessons learned from previous investments and changing market conditions as we move forward.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1419.592, "end": 1420.709, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1422.684, "end": 1431.714, "text": "The CLCs are intentionally structured to bring together a broad range of experiences and perspectives to help guide the work of each TIF district.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1432.701, "end": 1442.159, "text": "These members work in co-creation with Prosper Portland and PHB staff to advise decision makers, help set priorities and investments, and provide oversight as the district plan is implemented.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1442.208, "end": 1442.354, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1445.294, "end": 1451.292, "text": "And what makes this model particularly valuable is the range of perspectives members bring to the table.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1452.27, "end": 1464.907, "text": "To be eligible to become a CLC member, a person must self-attest to live, work, worship, have children enrolled in school, or have been displaced from within their respective TIF district boundary.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1465.821, "end": 1486.768, "text": "Members are nominated by Prosper Portland and PHB through the mayor we also work to ensure that the CLCs reflect the diversity of the communities they represent, 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candidates to fill the vacancies for 82nd Avenue and Space.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1517.525, "end": 1524.066, "text": "An evaluation committee was not convened for the Cully District as they are reappointing a current CLC member.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1524.131, "end": 1524.227, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1525.457, "end": 1525.909, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1528.931, "end": 1536.129, "text": "Now we turn to highlighting the incredible individuals who have stepped up to volunteer for this important task.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1537.247, "end": 1544.73, "text": "I recognize the full biography and statement of interest is included in the council item, but I do want to provide a few brief highlights for each candidate.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1546.965, "end": 1553.405, "text": "I would like to introduce Renata, who is being recommended for appointment to the 82nd Avenue CLC.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1554.556, "end": 1561.222, "text": "Unfortunately, Renata could not join us today due to a previously scheduled and well-deserved vacation overseas.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1562.86, "end": 1572.578, "text": "However, I'd like to highlight her professional experience in planning and land use and her excitement to learning more about ways to support the 82nd Avenue community.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1574.06, "end": 1574.572, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1578.278, "end": 1583.414, "text": "I'd like to provide context of where these nominations fit within the existing leadership committee.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1584.583, "end": 1590.966, "text": "As you can see, Renata will be filling a single vacancy on the 82nd Avenue CLC roster.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1592.434, "end": 1594.09, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1594.781, "end": 1596.999, "text": "Our next candidate is Victor Rome III.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1597.803, "end": 1606.454, "text": "He is an attorney and a board member of the Columbia Corridor Association, an important stakeholder for the industrial sector within the district.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1606.535, "end": 1616.379, "text": "In his capacity as attorney, Victor has advised a number of TIF districts, and we look forward to having his insight next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1618.569, "end": 1625.327, "text": "As with Renata, Victor is filling a single vacancy on the Space CLC 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1660.298, "end": 1666.225, "text": "As you can see, Sky is being reappointed as part of Prosper Portland's set of nominees in Cully.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1668.416, "end": 1673.387, "text": "I would also like to highlight that the Cully CLC has been working for 3+ years on its action plan.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1674.205, "end": 1677.139, "text": "The members of this committee have worked tirelessly to create the plan.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1677.748, "end": 1684.515, "text": "Several members will be leaving the CLC as their terms expire to focus on family, health, or new business ventures.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1685.509, "end": 1695.915, "text": "Of note, the Cully TIF CLC charter allows committee members to stay on a committee past their term expiration and until they have been replaced.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1697.113, "end": 1706.99, "text": "All outgoing members have volunteered to stay through their replacement in January, which is when we'll be bringing new appointments to this body.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1708.539, "end": 1717.125, "text": "Their generosity and commitment will allow the Cully-Tift CLC to continue meeting and conducting work over the next few months without a quorum issue.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1718.672, "end": 1724.833, "text": "Prosper Portland and PHB are running a recruitment process to bring in new members who will carry this work forward.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1724.882, "end": 1725.013, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1726.372, "end": 1739.427, "text": "We will talk about this more in a future session, but I would like to be one of the first to say on behalf of the agency that I thank each and every one of these community members for their time and service in bringing the Cully TIF District's action plan to fruition.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1740.35, "end": 1743.442, "text": "The work is better because you are a part of it.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1744.476, "end": 1745.622, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1748.995, "end": 1757.842, "text": "I will close out with this slide that provides a timeline for upcoming appointments for both the Cully CLC and East 205 vacancies.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1758.602, "end": 1765.51, "text": "Both CLCs are doing their recruitments now and will move into the selection process in the final months of this year.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1766.464, "end": 1776.085, "text": "Together with PHB, we anticipate returning to City Council in January of '27 with a request to approve the next group of nominees.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1777.281, "end": 1780.208, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1780.434, "end": 1788.47, "text": "With this information, Councilors, Prosper Portland requests that the committee recommend Council approval of the proposed nominees.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1789.152, "end": 1790.824, "text": "Thank you for your time and consideration.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1791.279, "end": 1793.469, "text": "I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1794.323, "end": 1795.355, "text": "Thank you, Director Wesley.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1795.403, "end": 1801.866, "text": "So before we determine if this is just, uh, technical questions or anything else, is there testimony on this one?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1804.534, "end": 1805.259, "text": "No one has signed up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1805.743, "end": 1811.598, "text": "Okay, so we'll just open it up for councilor, uh, discussion, questions, and, and also questions of the appointees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1811.775, "end": 1817.063, "text": "I Director Wesley, did you say that the first and third are not present?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1817.143, "end": 1817.592, "text": "That's correct.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1817.64, "end": 1820.171, "text": "Is Victor present?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1820.46, "end": 1821.101, "text": "Okay, I see him.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1821.165, "end": 1827.334, "text": "So just so colleagues may know if they have a question, and I will at some point, so feel free to come up, Victor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 1827.414, "end": 1829.641, "text": "But yeah, we'll go into the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 1829.818, "end": 1830.427, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 1831.66, "end": 1832.638, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 1832.686, "end": 1832.974, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 1833.343, "end": 1834.416, "text": "Thank you, Director Wesley.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 1835.346, "end": 1845.982, "text": "Question, I couldn't tell, particularly with the 82nd, group, I couldn't tell who's in District 1 or District 3 because we border on 82nd Avenue.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 1846.6, "end": 1856.683, "text": "So are all those— can you send me something that tells me which one of these appointees or CLC members are in, uh, District 1?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 1857.079, "end": 1857.49, "text": "Yes, ma'am.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 1858.396, "end": 1858.924, "text": "Make note of that.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 1862.466, "end": 1862.978, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 1865.106, "end": 1866.517, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 1867.03, "end": 1869.098, "text": "I have a few process questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 1869.931, "end": 1877.754, "text": "So I guess first thing, you know, we normally, as I mentioned earlier, would have Sky just present if possible for questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 1877.866, "end": 1878.588, "text": "Not a problem there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 1878.828, "end": 1880.784, "text": "We've done this with reappointments before.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 1881.697, "end": 1886.507, "text": "So I have no concern there and I'm grateful that Victor's here and I'll ask you a question in a moment, sir.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 1886.987, "end": 1892.053, "text": "The question I had for you, Director Wesley, with relation to the upcoming recruitments.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 1892.838, "end": 1901.775, "text": "So it looks like to avoid a quorum issue, both the current folks Folks staying on in Cully and the reappointment help you while the recruitment is underway.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 1902.483, "end": 1907.572, "text": "And applications closed 2 days ago, it looks like, from the slides, October 19th.", "speaker": "Sameer 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"text": "So I will reserve my answer to that if you allow me the latitude to follow up.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 1931.83, "end": 1933.93, "text": "Yeah, just to put a— that's perfectly fine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 1933.978, "end": 1940.774, "text": "Just to put a finer point on it, if it's not sufficiently large, I would encourage you to consider reopening.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 1941.271, "end": 1942.794, "text": "Yes, sir.", "speaker": "Cornell Wesley" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 1943.355, "end": 1947.78, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I were at an event in Cully recently.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 1947.844, "end": 1953.967, "text": "We got a gate opened on the west side of Sacagawea Park, and I'm grateful to the Parks Bureau for getting that done.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 1956.099, "end": 1961.036, "text": "And there were a lot of community members there and they weren't talking about just the gate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 1961.149, "end": 1962.896, "text": "They were talking about anything related to Cully.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 1963.249, "end": 1967.657, "text": "And some questions came up about this particular group and its ability to reach.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 1967.977, "end": 1980.833, "text": "I think that, I think one of the reasons for the questions were the size of it right now, its ability to reach beyond just the current members who are obviously able to give their own opinion as representatives of the area, but also to kind of be a conduit for other folks to get in.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 1981.042, "end": 1990.651, "text": "So I have an interest in ensuring that there's, you know, as broad a group as possible of members to 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"speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2457.727, "end": 2458.896, "text": "So we'll run through this real quick.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2458.945, "end": 2459.488, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2461.44, "end": 2476.527, "text": "Okay, so real quick, I just wanted to— just for the public's perspective, just ensuring that people understand that Home Forward is the public housing authority for the entire county of Multnomah and is the largest provider of affordable housing for the city, county, and in the state.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2477.133, "end": 2489.208, "text": "Their mission is to create a better community by providing housing stability through affordable housing development, Housing choice expansion, services that support quality of life, and of course they advocate for— to improve local and national housing systems.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2489.74, "end": 2492.134, "text": "And we have some numbers up there for your background.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2493.713, "end": 2494.189, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2496.36, "end": 2496.689, "text": "Going, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2497.562, "end": 2506.069, "text": "So for the Gresham appointments, before we get into that, just as a reminder, there are 9 members of the Home Forward Board of Commissioners.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2506.345, "end": 2508.017, "text": "5 are recommended by the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2508.066, "end": 2508.115, "text": "5.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2508.514, "end": 2511.567, "text": "2 by Multnomah County, and 2 by the City 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"Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2609.706, "end": 2612.948, "text": "And as you can see here, he's a community leader in Gresham and a business owner.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2614.025, "end": 2618.527, "text": "He served on the City of Gresham's Community Development and Housing Subcommittee, which is material to this topic.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2618.575, "end": 2632.436, "text": "Of course, he's been described as analytical and collaborative, and has lived experience growing up in subsidized housing, and intends to use that and with public service experience to support Home Forward as a board member.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2633.157, "end": 2639.663, "text": "Just for context, he'll be serving a seat that would end that term would end in August of 2028.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 2640.288, "end": 2642.579, "text": "And so, as I said, your eyes in the room if you have questions for him.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 2643.559, "end": 2648.636, "text": "And councilors, with that, that is the first recommendation for the Home Forward board, the City of Gresham seat.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 2650.066, "end": 2650.339, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 2650.548, "end": 2653.118, "text": "I, I wanted to just first make a housekeeping note.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 2653.761, "end": 2665.553, "text": "When it was read out loud earlier and when it was originally filed, the document had Mr. Edmonds' name in error as Edwards instead of Edmonds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 2666.212, "end": 2668.075, "text": "I believe Edmonds is the correct last name.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 2668.461, "end": 2669.457, "text": "That has been updated.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 2669.826, "end": 2678.723, "text": "We did get that corrected, and I just apologize for the error and just wanted to make sure that was on the record, um, that, that the person that is being considered for appointment today is named Uriah Edmonds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 2679.462, "end": 2683.959, "text": "Um, yeah, um, is this a good place to, to open up the conversation before we—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 2684.216, "end": 2684.344, "text": "Please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 2685.179, "end": 2698.616, "text": "Okay, colleagues, would you like to— we do have testimony on this one, so we're going to do, um, any, uh, questions of the appointees and, um, and other just kind of process questions before we go to To testimony?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 2702.409, "end": 2703.325, "text": "Yeah, technical questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 2703.389, "end": 2708.461, "text": "And then we will do this again on the other report and then open up testimony together, just as a process note.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 2708.64, "end": 2709.258, "text": "Vice Chair Ryan.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 2709.437, "end": 2710.772, "text": "Yes, quick question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 2710.837, "end": 2712.627, "text": "How many properties do we have in Gresham?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 2713.442, "end": 2715.142, "text": "Oh, that is a great question, Councilor.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 2715.207, "end": 2718.38, "text": "I'm gonna have to get some staff to help me back that up.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 2718.785, "end": 2719.255, "text": "So one second.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 2726.75, "end": 2727.551, "text": "I'll have to get back to council.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 2727.617, "end": 2728.074, "text": "We're working on it.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 2728.222, "end": 2728.859, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 2732.505, "end": 2738.76, "text": "We've been focusing so much on the ones closer to Portland, especially in District 2, but it's helpful to know.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 2739.082, "end": 2739.597, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 2739.661, "end": 2740.16, "text": "Can I come up?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 2740.304, "end": 2740.449, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 2740.546, "end": 2740.915, "text": "Oh yeah, please.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 2741.092, "end": 2741.317, "text": "Yeah, please.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 2741.575, "end": 2741.639, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 2741.687, "end": 2743.262, "text": "I love it when the appointees might know the answer.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 2743.6, "end": 2743.857, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 2745.11, "end": 2749.015, "text": "Uh, I do know that we have one in completion or working on completion right now.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 2749.08, "end": 2756.74, "text": "It's a $60 million, 60-unit And I also know a couple of others.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 2756.805, "end": 2760.463, "text": "I think Kathy, who's on, might be able to maybe speak on that too.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 2760.527, "end": 2767.767, "text": "But I do know the big one right in our backyard is, you know, right there in the heart of our city is being completed right now.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 2768.692, "end": 2770.327, "text": "And then there's vouchers and some other—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 2770.327, "end": 2771.152, "text": "The vouchers, yes.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 2771.767, "end": 2774.487, "text": "There's quite a few of the voucher systems within—.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 2774.519, "end": 2777.239, "text": "That's more of the history, but now there's a new one, a new building.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 2777.86, "end": 2778.51, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 2778.51, "end": 2778.85, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 2778.85, "end": 2779.37, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 2779.37, "end": 2779.95, "text": "Councilor, there are 12—.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 2779.95, "end": 2781.57, "text": "Introduce yourself for the record.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 2781.57, "end": 2781.77, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 2781.77, "end": 2782.81, "text": "Oh, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 2782.81, "end": 2784.15, "text": "Uriah Edmonds.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 2784.15, "end": 2784.85, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 2784.85, "end": 2786.49, "text": "Yeah, the appointee for Gresham.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 2786.49, "end": 2787.07, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 2787.07, "end": 2788.17, "text": "Sorry, go for it, DCA Oliver.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 2788.17, "end": 2791.81, "text": "Sorry, there's 12 active properties in Gresham.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 2791.81, "end": 2792.31, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 2792.31, "end": 2795.27, "text": "Do you count like if there's vouchers in a building as one of the properties?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 2795.61, "end": 2797.94, "text": "Those are just the ones listed under Home Forward's purview.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 2798.27, "end": 2799.59, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 2799.59, "end": 2800.04, "text": "That's a yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 2801.15, "end": 2801.75, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 2801.75, "end": 2803.75, "text": "Okay, Councilor Murillo followed by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 2806.987, "end": 2814.116, "text": "Yeah, Chair, is this the right time to just ask the questions that we had prepared for these folks, or should we hold off on that after testimony?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 2815.272, "end": 2817.648, "text": "You can ask questions of Mr. Edmonds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 2817.841, "end": 2820.378, "text": "We're going to get to the other 2 in a moment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 2820.426, "end": 2826.191, "text": "So if you have— if you want to wait and ask all 3 together after those 2 have been introduced, if they're the same questions, feel free as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 2826.431, "end": 2826.929, "text": "Oh, gotcha.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 2827.074, "end": 2827.7, "text": "Okay, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 2827.796, "end": 2829.017, "text": "I will take myself out of the queue for now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 2829.081, "end": 2829.209, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 2830.01, "end": 2841.659, "text": "Okay, and I see everyone else in the queue has done the same, uh, so I, uh, I will ask you to stay around just in case there are questions for you and then, um, pass it back to DCA Oliveira for our other 2 proposed nominees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 2841.837, "end": 2842.451, "text": "Great, thank you.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 2842.904, "end": 2849.922, "text": "So now we're going to pivot to the, um, the 2 representatives that would, um, join on behalf of the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 2853.67, "end": 2854.622, "text": "All right, next slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 2856.567, "end": 2857.174, "text": "And next slide.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 2859.94, "end": 2860.502, "text": "And again, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 2861.322, "end": 2861.659, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 2863.732, "end": 2877.255, "text": "Um, so, uh, same slide as the Gresham deck, but I really wanted to take a moment to emphasize on this slide, uh, there are 5 seats for the City of Portland, one of which must be a Home Forward resident, and that's one of the seats that we're filling, uh, today.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 2877.725, "end": 2879.008, "text": "And all the information is consistent.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 2879.058, "end": 2879.84, "text": "The last slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 2881.984, "end": 2888.282, "text": "So this is, I think, an important detail to share for, for this group related to the appointment process for Portland.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 2888.81, "end": 2897.047, "text": "So in the past, Home Forward staff have led the recruitment and made recommendations or suggested potential appointees to the commissioner in charge.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 2898.089, "end": 2903.681, "text": "And that was in the past, of course, former government or the mayor for consideration, then ultimately going to council for approval.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 2904.578, "end": 2908.748, "text": "For the 2 appointees before you today, Those— thanks.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 2908.908, "end": 2918.327, "text": "Those 2, in concert with Home Forward but largely led by the mayor, were selected and made as recommendations to you all.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 2919.194, "end": 2928.934, "text": "But going forward, the Home Forward board will be partnering with the city on developing a nomination process for Portland's 5 seats that will be overseen by a nomination committee made up of key stakeholders.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 2929.704, "end": 2934.213, "text": "So we've been working with the Home Forward board chair, Jenny Kim, on outlining that process.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 2934.261, "end": 2934.389, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 2935.048, "end": 2946.52, "text": "We want to be a partner at the table to ensure that we have a transparent process that is vetted with a variety of stakeholders that would ultimately make a recommendation of potential nominees to the mayor for his ultimate selection to you all.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 2947.34, "end": 2949.975, "text": "But that's going to be the process after these 2 appointees.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 2950.633, "end": 2960.595, "text": "And we'll also acknowledge the council president from Gresham alluded to this, but it's important to fill these seats as soon as possible because we are running up against quorum issues at Home Forward.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 2961.177, "end": 2963.492, "text": "And so getting these seats filled is timely.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 2964.333, "end": 2967.101, "text": "And with that, we'll start to discuss the appointees, I believe.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 2967.165, "end": 2967.942, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 2971.012, "end": 2974.434, "text": "The first person I'm pleased to welcome is Brian Harvey.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 2975.19, "end": 2977.246, "text": "He has been a Homestead resident since 2013.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 2978.002, "end": 2984.387, "text": "He has been active as a tenant in his place of residence.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 2984.902, "end": 2989.592, "text": "He's been a part of the tenants union in and join there in the spring of 2025.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 2990.045, "end": 2999.185, "text": "He's co-chaired the Pearl District Neighborhood Association Affordable Housing Committee, and he's very keen to serve on the board to represent his fellow tenants.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 2999.751, "end": 3002.485, "text": "And his term would be a 4-year term that would expire in 2030.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3003.86, "end": 3004.428, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3006.797, "end": 3009.134, "text": "Also for your consideration is Thomas Kemper.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3009.86, "end": 3021.059, "text": "Thomas has had a very active role in Oregon's housing ecosystem He's eager to provide his expertise related to affordable housing and addressing the housing crisis in Portland.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3021.492, "end": 3023.065, "text": "He too would be serving a 4-year term.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3023.883, "end": 3029.435, "text": "And we have Brian joining us online, and Thomas is in chambers if you all have questions for them.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3030.141, "end": 3033.495, "text": "And that wraps our presentation of these 2 individuals.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3034.971, "end": 3035.357, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3035.437, "end": 3036.849, "text": "Thank you everybody for being here as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3037.539, "end": 3039.015, "text": "Can I just get a quick clarification?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3039.063, "end": 3039.962, "text": "It's slide 8.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3040.187, "end": 3040.492, "text": "Oh, sure.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3040.572, "end": 3046.734, "text": "You were saying That there's gonna be a process for all 5 of the Portland appointees?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3046.991, "end": 3051.613, "text": "Going forward, in the event there's another Portland seat that becomes available.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3052.063, "end": 3055.433, "text": "Okay, there's not a planned vacancy coming up?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3055.738, "end": 3056.171, "text": "Not currently.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3056.54, "end": 3058.354, "text": "Okay, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3058.803, "end": 3063.73, "text": "And I should— I'm remiss for not previously thanking Council President Keithley for being here as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3064.003, "end": 3064.757, "text": "I really appreciate it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3064.886, "end": 3066.908, "text": "Always nice to have our neighbors joining us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3067.55, "end": 3069.331, "text": "Colleagues, are there any other questions?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3069.379, "end": 3071.369, "text": "Now would be the time to ask questions of the appointees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3072.01, "end": 3075.203, "text": "And I'll go to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3081.62, "end": 3081.958, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3082.119, "end": 3085.336, "text": "Thank you, Chair, and I am sorry to not be in the room with you all today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3085.883, "end": 3089.085, "text": "I do have a couple of questions for the nominees.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3089.776, "end": 3091.838, "text": "I'll start with Mr. Harvey.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3092.585, "end": 3127.1, "text": "Um, first of all, thank you for all the work that you have already done to in my district on the east side of the river in Northeast Portland, there are a number of larger towers that are really struggling, and I am wondering how you would, as a tenant representative on the board, plan to reach out to tenants in other buildings, some of which don't have their own organizations, don't have tenant unions, and have really struggled to organize themselves.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3127.1, "end": 3127.14, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3135.634, "end": 3146.555, "text": "Well, what I'd say, Councilor, is that if you have the contact information for anybody in those buildings and somebody can actually get me inside the building, that's the first step.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3146.944, "end": 3154.997, "text": "So the first step is to get into the building or to make 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"Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3179.029, "end": 3182.706, "text": "Or do you see it really as the same job as the, the other board members have in overseeing the operations of the organization?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3182.755, "end": 3183.419, "text": "I think it's a little bit different.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3184.817, "end": 3187.258, "text": "So I think that it is different.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3187.727, "end": 3193.465, "text": "It requires that I continue to advocate for tenants, at least as a class.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3195.926, "end": 3206.79, "text": "And, you know, the other, the other board members are professionals, and it's my job to kind of bring the tenant perspective into the boardroom.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3210.749, "end": 3220.145, "text": "Do you foresee any challenges doing and getting the attention of Home Forward or other board members as the sole person in that role?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3220.357, "end": 3222.182, "text": "Say that again, sorry.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3223.9, "end": 3224.463, "text": "I apologize.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3224.576, "end": 3236.495, "text": "Do you foresee any challenges being able to do that as the sole person in this role and being able to get the attention of the other board members or of the Home Forward leadership at the board meetings?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3239.43, "end": 3260.122, "text": "So I think that, I think that, you know, I, I'm sorry, I have the organizing experience where I'll be able to represent the tenant voice in the room.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3261.787, "end": 3274.504, "text": "And, you know, I'm sorry, Looks like we got a disconnection here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3275.822, "end": 3277.734, "text": "Um, challenges.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3278.875, "end": 3279.775, "text": "Hi, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3279.839, "end": 3283.873, "text": "Why don't I ask my question of Mr. Kemper, if that's all right with you?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3283.954, "end": 3287.345, "text": "And I, uh, we'll see if Mr.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3287.409, "end": 3288.213, "text": "Heavy makes it back.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3288.695, "end": 3292.991, "text": "Yeah, while we get him reconnected, I think he might have had a battery die or something on his computer.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3293.055, "end": 3296.237, "text": "So yeah, please go ahead, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3296.654, "end": 3296.992, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3297.811, "end": 3299.675, "text": "Mr. Kemper, thank you for being there today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3299.804, "end": 3301.651, "text": "I'm sorry I'm not in the room with you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3302.921, "end": 3331.432, "text": "I noticed in your resume that you have served as an executive director for a housing organization, so you've presumably had a board that you were working with before, and I am wondering if you can speak to how hands-on or how hands-off I think it depends much—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3331.658, "end": 3334.147, "text": "Well, first of 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3463.163, "end": 3464.897, "text": "Thank you for those answers.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 3465.154, "end": 3478.737, "text": "I look forward to supporting you in your nomination to the board today, and I just hope that you feel empowered to do that hands-on work that you are referring to and to being a hands-on board member.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 3478.801, "end": 3489.804, "text": "And if there's anything that we as councilors can do to help you navigate some of the buildings you might want to take a look at in our district, Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 3489.869, "end": 3492.116, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 3492.197, "end": 3494.138, "text": "Councilor Morillo, followed by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 3499.21, "end": 3499.973, "text": "Thank you so much, Chair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 3500.216, "end": 3501.597, "text": "Thank you everyone for being here today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 3502.084, "end": 3506.452, "text": "Sorry, I am homesick, but I figure you would rather not me get everybody in chambers sick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 3507.446, "end": 3509.841, "text": "And my question is for Mr. Kemper.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 3511.168, "end": 3515.829, "text": "The state has estimated that we need— that Portland needs around 15,000 units that are between 0 and 60% AMI.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 3521.738, "end": 3532.226, "text": "How do you think Home Forward and the broader system of affordable housing could get to that goal?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 3535.73, "end": 3542.781, "text": "Well, in my experience, and, you know, I've been 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Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 3669.22, "end": 3669.996, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 3670.06, "end": 3671.305, "text": "Councilor Novick, followed by Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 3672.227, "end": 3673.019, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Chairman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 3673.294, "end": 3675.606, "text": "This question is for all the nominees.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 3675.736, "end": 3676.9, "text": "It's kind of the obvious one.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 3677.159, "end": 3681.414, "text": "I assume that everybody read the story in the Oregonian a few weeks ago by Jonathan Bach.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 3681.963, "end": 3686.618, "text": "Mysterious deaths, violence, drugs haunt largest apartment complex managed by Portland Housing Authority.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 3687.1, "end": 3698.718, "text": "I'm just curious, um, how, if at all, will the stories in that article— do they affect how you look at Home Forward itself and how they might affect how you go about your, uh, business in this role?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 3700.739, "end": 3702.664, "text": "Can I go first?", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 3703.079, "end": 3703.627, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 3705.31, "end": 3727.874, "text": "I was stunned by that article, and I think what it made me believe is that it would've been the first property that I'd want to go visit and really talk to, you know, tenants, onsite management, management staff, and really try to understand, you know, sort of what the facts really are.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 3728.439, "end": 3734.423, "text": "It was a little 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"speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 3771.467, "end": 3776.798, "text": "I've, I've, I've participated in the development of like over 10,000 apartment units.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 3776.911, "end": 3778.42, "text": "Most of that was affordable housing.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 3779.014, "end": 3793.143, "text": "And the first thing that I learned was when something goes down in a project, It's really important to address the issues because the events like that really impact the community.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 3794.852, "end": 3800.398, "text": "And those kind of things can multiply quickly and create more and more problems.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 3800.98, "end": 3807.819, "text": "And so it's very important to act quickly and carefully and deal with them really effectively.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 3808.045, "end": 3813.369, "text": "And so I have to say that upon my appointment, one of that's— that is one of the first things I want to do is go visit that property.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 3813.467, "end": 3813.777, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 3816.681, "end": 3826.558, "text": "And talk to, to Home Forward people about how they reacted and how we can do better in those kinds of instances.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 3836.28, "end": 3839.292, "text": "Well, I, I mean, he's, he's very right.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 3839.357, "end": 3852.524, "text": "I think the one thing I've really looked at through all this is It's become evident that there are 2 avenues of affordable housing now, and that is the actual providing of the housing, and then it's the services.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 3852.797, "end": 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3931.402, "end": 3946.103, "text": "I think accountability means something though, and I think that when you look at accountability, you have to be compassionate, but you have to also say, what is the greater good of all these other tenants that are in this building?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 3947.329, "end": 3961.935, "text": "I think that But when you have things like non-eviction over 6 months or 9 months for either unpaid rents or infractions that are caused, that's not, that's not showing compassion or accountability to those people.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 3961.983, "end": 3971.64, "text": "So in my opinion, I think you start with accountability to the folks who are causing those problems in those properties and letting the other tenants feel like they have a safe home.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 3973.615, "end": 3975.045, "text": "I would second that response.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 3976.662, "end": 3992.692, "text": "One of the first lessons that I learned in operating a project was, is that if you let somebody slide on the rules, on rent or rules, then other people feel like they can do that too.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 3993.956, "end": 4009.093, "text": "And so it, you know, so if you let infractions occur without, Without sanctions, all you do is increase that kind of behavior.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4009.53, "end": 4014.942, "text": "So I would totally agree that the community really does have to come first.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4015.572, "end": 4021.843, "text": "And that doesn't mean that you can't be compassionate about dealing with people.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4021.956, "end": 4025.404, "text": "And I think your comment about services is very well taken.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" 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"text": "But just broadly speaking, can you describe the problems that face the affordable housing sector as a whole?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4121.123, "end": 4126.578, "text": "Do you think it's one single causal source, or do you think it's a basket of issues?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4127.002, "end": 4130.054, "text": "And if it's a basket of issues, can you describe what those basket of issues are?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4132.387, "end": 4133.285, "text": "Do you want me to go first?", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4134.929, "end": 4135.074, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4135.751, "end": 4136.106, "text": "Yes, sir.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4136.155, "end": 4136.655, "text": "Yes, sir.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4137.445, "end": 4137.929, "text": "Good 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"cue-740", "start": 4300.688, "end": 4304.684, "text": "That they were built to build houses, manage properties, develop properties.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4304.781, "end": 4309.531, "text": "They were not built to be a social services aspect, right?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4309.595, "end": 4310.799, "text": "They were not built to be that way.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4311.281, "end": 4313.897, "text": "So there's a transformative process that has to happen, right?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4314.186, "end": 4325.103, "text": "We now have to start identifying those wraparound services, whether that be mental health, addiction, job placement, career development, whatever that might be.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4325.97, "end": 4333.308, "text": "Home Forward has to start pushing into those directions using other 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"Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4459.888, "end": 4472.183, "text": "So I am good in person, on the ground, getting into buildings, helping them unionize, helping them reclaim tenant power, and that's what I'm good at.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4472.231, "end": 4472.359, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4472.808, "end": 4475.885, "text": "I'm good at a barbecue at a low-income property.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4476.622, "end": 4477.535, "text": "This terrifies me.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4477.744, "end": 4479.699, "text": "I have no idea how you folks do this.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4480.949, "end": 4482.791, "text": "I would never want to do this.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4483.192, "end": 4487.903, "text": "If I could erase like every video of me from the world, I probably would.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4488.56, "end": 4491.941, "text": "But this is something that you folks are good at.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4492.246, "end": 4492.967, "text": "I'm not good at it.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4493.063, "end": 4498.127, "text": "I can tell you this, I resurrected our tenants union.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4498.255, "end": 4498.335, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4499.377, "end": 4507.147, "text": "A year and a half ago, and we have had incredible success that I have not seen from another tenants union in Portland anywhere.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4507.724, "end": 4514.934, "text": "We've had a half dozen instances of getting in the 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"text": "I'm just gonna give you right back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4626.017, "end": 4626.772, "text": "Sorry, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4627.671, "end": 4628.491, "text": "You're doing great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4628.796, "end": 4630.29, "text": "You may not believe that in the moment, but you are.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4630.964, "end": 4632.94, "text": "And I appreciate you being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4634.113, "end": 4636.265, "text": "It's not easy for all of us all the time either.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 4636.699, "end": 4640.552, "text": "I'll just say that for myself and appreciate you being a part of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 4640.681, "end": 4646.847, "text": "I know that also what we ask for out of a 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to Councilor Ryan and then Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 4690.58, "end": 4690.64, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 4690.64, "end": 4690.66, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 4691.836, "end": 4692.35, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 4693.747, "end": 4696.685, "text": "First of all, thank you, Council President Keithley, for being here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 4697.215, "end": 4701.518, "text": "You did a great job of presenting us your selection, Mr. Edmonds.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 4702.096, "end": 4705.628, "text": "So now I'm going to kind of ignore you and focus on the other 2.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 4706.833, "end": 4710.028, "text": "I really appreciate, Councilor Novick, the questions 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4992.288, "text": "It's a lot to put on one person to represent all of the units, and you've really drilled down and to lead the effort at your building to form the union, to form those rights.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 4993.822, "end": 4999.738, "text": "What will it be like for you to explore the other Home Forward units and get to know other residents?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 5000.398, "end": 5004.068, "text": "I assume that's your audience that you really want to be in touch with.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 5004.326, "end": 5008.479, "text": "And in this responsibility, it'll go beyond the unit you live in.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 5008.93, "end": 5012.486, "text": "So I just want to hear some of your thinking about exploring all the other units.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 5012.536, "end": 5012.586, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" 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Home Forward ask of their tenants?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5145.917, "end": 5149.81, "text": "How do they get a sense of how they're feeling?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5149.874, "end": 5152.17, "text": "Like, how do they survey the tenants?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5153.005, "end": 5163.538, "text": "'Cause my experience up here is that I would have to listen to anecdotes out in the community, but I couldn't really find it from Home Forward.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5164.228, "end": 5168.532, "text": "Councilor, if somebody could answer, it would be the Home Forward board chair, Jenny Kim, who's online as well.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5169.126, "end": 5169.993, "text": "Oh, hi, Jenny.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5172.577, "end": 5174.228, "text": "Hello, good afternoon.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5175.222, "end": 5200.646, "text": "Um, I would say, so I've actually been a chair for Home Forward starting from July of this year, and my understanding from being on board and asking for feedback is that we ask our senior leadership, especially the ED, since Michael Bonaccord has come back as an interim ED, he has been doing a lot of town hall meetings, both in person and virtual.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5201.592, "end": 5221.261, "text": "And Brian, I don't know if you were familiar with the fact that we have been doing that, and we're being a little bit more intentional about doing an outreach so that we have an understanding of properties that are managed by Home Forward as well as properties like The Yard that's managed by outside property management, because the experiences are very different.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5221.39, "end": 5250.049, "text": "Another thing is, I'll just mention 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"id": "cue-917", "start": 5315.659, "end": 5316.687, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5316.896, "end": 5320.379, "text": "I'm going to go to Councilor Smith, then myself, and then we'll go to public testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5320.652, "end": 5323.51, "text": "We will have an opportunity after testimony to keep discussing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5323.96, "end": 5325.356, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5325.87, "end": 5326.368, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5326.416, "end": 5326.705, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5326.994, "end": 5331.248, "text": "Thank you so much for bringing this forward, uh, DCA Oliveira.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5331.874, "end": 5334.09, "text": "I know that I know that in these times it's very stressful.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5334.138, "end": 5340.047, "text": "Housing is very stressful across the board, affordability and the whole 9 yards.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5340.465, "end": 5354.707, "text": "And I just want to ask the, um, the folks who are, are trying to be in this position, what do you think is the single most important, um, attribute that you should have when you're in these kind of, uh, stressful situations?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5354.755, "end": 5355.799, "text": "How do you respond?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5361.651, "end": 5362.404, "text": "Ask that again.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5362.468, "end": 5363.943, "text": "I want to make sure I got that right.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5364.135, "end": 5372.771, "text": "What, what, what kind of qualities do you think that someone in your position should, should have to deal in these kind of very stressful housing situations?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5372.884, "end": 5385.077, "text": "And you're going to be responsible for sitting on this board, and, uh, everybody's going to want to know when are we going to fill these vacancies, what can we do, how do you, how do you deal in those kind of high-pressure situations?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5388.775, "end": 5400.537, "text": "I think probably the greatest attribute would be openness, because, you know, it's always boiling down to tenant versus community in a lot of those situations.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5400.617, "end": 5407.102, "text": "And so it's really— it's getting an understanding of what the real deal is.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5407.46, 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seek to understand kind of mentality, right?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5432.602, "end": 5459.419, "text": "Uh, it kind of goes along the openness line, but asking a lot of questions, because if we don't ask the hard questions, we don't ask the easy questions sometimes I can come off a little interrogating, and I try to be careful with that, but asking a lot of questions because I think that if we're in a room with very passionate leaders like Mr. Kemper or Mr. Harvey, you're going to have a lot of differing opinions and a lot of differing ways to look at things.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5459.675, "end": 5461.695, "text": "So I think asking a lot of questions is important.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5461.855, "end": 5462.512, "text": "That's very good.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5462.577, "end": 5474.691, "text": "That's very good to hear because you won't have a problem I think that that's the very first thing I'd love to ask more questions about, uh, you know.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5474.836, "end": 5490.067, "text": "And you talk about the other thing is it's the board has to make sure the leadership is correct and, uh, and making sure that, you know, the board can, as you know, set kind of the foundation, but they have to have the leadership in place to be able to make those changes.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5490.34, "end": 5490.709, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5490.83, "end": 5491.013, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5491.18, "end": 5492.496, "text": "Thank you so much for your answers.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5494.346, "end": 5494.83, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 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"end": 5521.913, "text": "And Addie, if you can hear us, you may begin your testimony when you're ready.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5526.38, "end": 5526.979, "text": "Hello, can you hear me?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5528.664, "end": 5529.587, "text": "We can hear you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5529.895, "end": 5530.203, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5530.932, "end": 5532.909, "text": "Hello, my name is Addie Smith.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5533.055, "end": 5535.897, "text": "Today is Wednesday, October 21st, 2026.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5536.138, "end": 5541.403, "text": "I'm speaking before the Portland City Council Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole meeting.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5542.063, "end": 5549.778, "text": "Today the council will be voting to appoint or Where are the Black people?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5550.788, "end": 5553.979, "text": "Thomas Kemper was a slumlord who worked in affordable housing.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5554.813, "end": 5558.597, "text": "Uriah Edmonds owns Bocelli's Ristorante.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5559.447, "end": 5568.49, "text": "I would like to know if these business owners donated any money to any of the current conservatives on the city council, either currently running for reelection or will be seeking reelection.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 5569.067, "end": 5572.29, "text": "Have any Gresham city council members received donations from these business owners?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 5572.354, "end": 5572.819, "text": "Councilmember Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 5573.717, "end": 5583.837, "text": "We all know who the conservatives are on the city council, and by now should have read the report on the donor households that donated to a Republican campaign and to city council conservative candidates.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 5585.023, "end": 5590.187, "text": "Right now, as it stands, there appears to be only one Black commissioner on Home Forward's board.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 5590.492, "end": 5598.783, "text": "That's Damian Hall, and he must be removed along with Jenny Kim, Kathy Keithley, Matthew Gebhardt, Jesse Ledezma, and Brianne Preston.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 5598.895, "end": 5599.007, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5600.115, "end": 5612.85, "text": "While the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Inspector General is investigating former HomeForward CEO Ivory Matthews, they should be investing— investigating HomeForward and its Board of Commissioners.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5613.444, "end": 5617.266, "text": "They approved all of the travel and expenses for Ms. Matthews.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5618.101, "end": 5620.526, "text": "It is a mistake to approve these appointments.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5621.056, "end": 5621.891, "text": "I am against it.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5622.501, "end": 5626.195, "text": "I vehemently reject the appointment of Thomas Kemper and Uriah Edmonds.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5626.243, "end": 5626.355, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5627.238, "end": 5632.248, "text": "I want to read the email that I received from Chair Emeritus Matthew Gebhardt.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5633.019, "end": 5633.725, "text": "Hello, Ms. Smith.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5634.4, "end": 5637.177, "text": "There are no other resignations to report.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5637.836, "end": 5645.447, "text": "The Board of Commissioners has appointed Michael as the interim executive director, and he will be making any other hiring decisions that may be needed.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5645.96, "end": 5650.906, "text": "The board appreciates your offer and will not be appointing you to a position.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 5652.688, "end": 5658.21, "text": "Allow me to inform all of you that I have never been asked to be appointed to the board.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 5659.109, "end": 5664.214, "text": "Everyone here has allowed Matthew Gebhardt to discriminate against me with that email.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 5664.824, "end": 5670.058, "text": "However, I would like to know why I wouldn't be considered or shouldn't be considered.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 5670.604, "end": 5674.746, "text": "Is it because I would actually act with competence and actual knowledge?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 5675.484, "end": 5682.503, "text": "Is it because I'm actually qualified and have actual experience to be on the board or to be hired to work there?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 5683.194, "end": 5684.576, "text": "Is it because you don't like me?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 5684.881, "end": 5685.749, "text": "Let's unpack that.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 5686.745, "end": 5690.296, "text": "Is it because I wouldn't try to steal or hide money or play the game?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 5690.762, "end": 5692.016, "text": "Please allow me to just finish.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 5692.305, "end": 5693.912, "text": "I'm gonna go over the 3 minutes.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 5694.056, "end": 5694.394, "text": "Please.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 5695.567, "end": 5696.402, "text": "You have 30 seconds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 5697.656, "end": 5703.151, "text": "Or is it because I will not— is it because I will not know where the bodies are buried and keep it a secret?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 5703.601, "end": 5704.549, "text": "What's my disqualifier?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 5705.143, "end": 5706.348, "text": "Is it because I'm a Black woman?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 5706.91, "end": 5708.323, "text": "Is it because I'm outspoken?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 5708.516, "end": 5710.652, "text": "Someone email me and tell me what it is.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 5711.391, "end": 5717.815, "text": "Is it because I know matter of fact that Ian Davey should be terminated and Michael Bonocore never should have been hired to come back?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 5718.859, "end": 5722.938, "text": "He lacks the knowledge, experience, qualify— and qualifications.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 5723.596, "end": 5730.036, "text": "Matthew Gebhardt stepped down from the board chair after I emailed the board and the administrators about his email to me.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 5730.261, "end": 5731.273, "text": "Thank you for testifying.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 5732.38, "end": 5732.733, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 5737.828, "end": 5739.002, "text": "That concludes testimony.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 5739.837, "end": 5740.175, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 5740.4, "end": 5742.303, "text": "We're going to reopen the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 5742.965, "end": 5747.356, "text": "I know Councilor Koyama Lane has waited, so I'll go you and then myself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 5749.566, "end": 5750.242, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 5750.451, "end": 5752.43, "text": "Thank you everyone for being here today.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 5753.266, "end": 5756.837, "text": "Um, it's been great to hear from you and to learn more about your work.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 5757.635, "end": 5764.573, "text": "I'm wondering if any of you want to share how you envision working with us on council.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 5765.057, "end": 5766.17, "text": "What would that look like?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 5766.251, "end": 5770.983, "text": "What's the best form of communication with the board?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 5771.24, "end": 5779.942, "text": "And if you have any thoughts around that, and if there are ways that you think council can be engaging more or better.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 5780.637, "end": 5781.995, "text": "Do you mind if I go first this time?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 5783.086, "end": 5783.583, "text": "You okay?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 5783.727, "end": 5785.522, "text": "All right, thank you.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 5786.211, "end": 5795.425, "text": "Um, I think that, you know, there's, there's kind of processes in place for a reason to try to make sure communication stays valid between groups.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 5795.761, "end": 5806.417, "text": "And I think a, a strong chair of a board should be able to help those communications, uh, just that way you're not getting a lot of cross-dialogue, right?", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 5806.898, "end": 5811.626, "text": "And I think that's really important that your, your chair kind of be that focal point.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 5812.933, "end": 5825.567, "text": "But I'm always open to sit down for lunches and coffees and just really talk because I think openness is what's going to help us get through a lot of these other challenges that exist from everything.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 5827.074, "end": 5833.148, "text": "But I would say that it needs to start with a chair, a strong chair position that gives you those communications.", "speaker": "Uriah Edmonds" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 5836.603, "end": 5838.193, "text": "I'm not sure how to respond to that.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 5838.418, "end": 5840.328, "text": "I hadn't really thought about it.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 5840.746, "end": 5845.531, "text": "I'd be open to any sort of dialogue or mechanism.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 5847.008, "end": 5858.023, "text": "I know that there's— that the mayor's creating a task force to attack the housing issue, and maybe that's the right vehicle for dialogue.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 5858.167, "end": 5872.726, "text": "But I mean, I'd be totally open to ongoing interaction with any councilor who wants to know what I'm thinking or experiencing as a board member.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 5875.688, "end": 5878.255, "text": "And I didn't have like a right answer in my mind or anything.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 5878.434, "end": 5879.555, "text": "I'm really just wondering.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 5879.994, "end": 5892.073, "text": "People do bring questions to us about Home Forward, and sometimes I feel like I wish I knew more and had more context chair Kim, do you want to share anything?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 5892.139, "end": 5892.793, "text": "You don't have to.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 5897.729, "end": 5901.734, "text": "I would say we are kind of rebuilding those relationships.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 5902.412, "end": 5940.462, "text": "You know, it's been really wonderful to work with DCA Oliveira and with Mayor Wilson, and we're hoping that if we can have more of a full board worth that we have an opportunity to set up a future meeting with the council so we can have more discussions, and we're happy to share any information, talk about what we're doing, and also opportunity to explore potential partnerships and support that we can get from the city as well too, because our success definitely depends a lot on partnerships with the city and the county.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 5941.96, "end": 5952.577, "text": "And currently, are there recurring meetings that are scheduled with Council President or Mayor, or are those set up kind of one at a time?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 5954.2, "end": 5959.535, "text": "For now, um, we have— it hasn't been like regular cadence.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 5959.856, "end": 5965.482, "text": "We do have a regular meeting set up with, like, for example, our labor union folks, and that has been established.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 5965.988, "end": 5980.368, "text": "But we're trying to currently figure out what I think that makes sense, especially since we're so under— I guess we, you know, we don't have a full quorum or the full body of the commissioners right now, so we're a little stretched thin.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 5981.666, "end": 5987.5, "text": "You know, the fact that we are volunteer commissioners and most of us have day jobs, we're trying to do what we can.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 5987.676, "end": 5999.094, "text": "But we have had meetings with mayor, have done some property tours together, and have We've had, I would say, at least 1 or 2 meetings a month so far with the city and representative.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6000.041, "end": 6000.218, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6000.587, "end": 6001.63, "text": "Thank you for sharing that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6001.726, "end": 6011.886, "text": "And it sounds like once this board kind of gets its footing, that there's a chance to think about what makes the most sense and think about how council can be engaging and supportive.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6012.625, "end": 6015.642, "text": "And is, is Brian still on here?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6016.172, "end": 6016.428, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6016.974, "end": 6028.129, "text": "I just wanted to say to Brian, I feel like it's very brave for you to share how you were And when I won 2 years ago, I was literally teaching in a 3rd grade classroom.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6028.835, "end": 6033.312, "text": "And being on this dais made me feel sick to my stomach and I hated talking.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6033.425, "end": 6034.372, "text": "I still don't love it.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6034.532, "end": 6038.576, "text": "But just want you to know that, like, that's part of why we need you here.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6038.721, "end": 6050.228, "text": "We need people that maybe aren't always in these spaces or don't, like, feel super comfortable or necessarily even, like, want the spotlight or want to be talking into the microphone all the time.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6050.292, "end": 6051.592, "text": "So please know that you are—.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6051.592, "end": 6052.009, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6053.087, "end": 6056.066, "text": "Your background and what you're bringing is really valuable.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6056.389, "end": 6059.529, "text": "And also know at the end of the day, like, no one's watching this really.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6059.869, "end": 6061.843, "text": "It's my mom, like, on YouTube.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6061.989, "end": 6063.363, "text": "Like, it's— don't worry about it.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6063.622, "end": 6064.252, "text": "Doing great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6064.98, "end": 6068.618, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6068.698, "end": 6069.765, "text": "I'm next in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6071.038, "end": 6075.706, "text": "So I'm gonna just get this out of the way because I think it may help frame other questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6075.915, "end": 6081.308, "text": "I have no intention of of having any concern around the 3 particular nominees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6082.142, "end": 6093.318, "text": "For several, first with Mr. Edmonds, your qualifications, but also the fact that I think our IGA talks about, you know, we're effectively making sure there's no issue with Gresham's nomination.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6093.367, "end": 6095.195, "text": "I wanna honor that IGA as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6095.291, "end": 6096.83, "text": "But even otherwise, I agree.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6098.001, "end": 6107.094, "text": "With our 2 Portland representatives, I think it's important for us to exercise a little bit more assessment discretion and things like that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6107.743, "end": 6124.226, "text": "And I'll just note, we, you know, when there was a leadership change over at Home Forward, there were colleagues of ours, including colleagues who are here and colleagues that are not, who talked about making larger-scale changes to the Home Forward board.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6124.372, "end": 6129.929, "text": "Not looking, not waiting for attrition, but actually actively going in and making changes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6130.741, "end": 6132.652, "text": "You've heard that referenced earlier today as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6132.717, "end": 6144.679, "text": "And I spoke to, I spoke to Interim Director Bonaccor about it, and it helped me get an understanding of what the situation was and how leadership change is best able to happen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6145.626, "end": 6147.217, "text": "I'm disappointed that he's not here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6148.084, "end": 6153.546, "text": "Can you speak to why we're hearing from the city side and not from Home Forward's leadership?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6154.108, "end": 6156.213, "text": "Thanks for the question, Chair.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6156.293, "end": 6169.841, "text": "Well, first, the board, the Home Forward board chair is here, And given that these appointments— well, one, Council President Keithley's here from Bridgeton to represent that appointment.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6169.905, "end": 6174.344, "text": "And then essentially on behalf of the mayor, I'm here representing the 2 Portland appointments.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6175.701, "end": 6180.962, "text": "As a reminder, the mayor makes these recommendations to you all, not the ED of Home Forward.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6181.449, "end": 6183.818, "text": "Okay, that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 6185.846, "end": 6189.409, "text": "We have kind of used these appointments at council in the last yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 6189.458, "end": 6195.637, "text": "Over the last, you know, year and 9 months as sort of a soft oversight opportunity for the things that are being appointed to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 6197.34, "end": 6199.799, "text": "That opportunity is not really present today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 6199.961, "end": 6207.94, "text": "And so you will notice in my chair's update that Home Forward has been added back to the list that it had been removed from of potential oversight topics.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 6207.989, "end": 6214.378, "text": "So I just want to flag that for everybody, that that's something that I think needs to happen at this point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 6214.608, "end": 6221.335, "text": "I, again, am disappointed, have a lot of respect for interim Director Bonaccor and want to make sure that that conversation can happen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 6226.192, "end": 6226.629, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 6226.743, "end": 6230.66, "text": "I can't remember which colleague brought up the idea of having more than one resident commissioner.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 6230.709, "end": 6231.793, "text": "I think that's a great idea.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 6231.858, "end": 6232.052, "text": "While—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 6232.263, "end": 6233.361, "text": "Thank you, Vice Chair Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 6234.116, "end": 6239.145, "text": "There was another person who was being considered earlier who's come and testified that would be great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 6239.885, "end": 6245.46, "text": "While there's one, I can't think of a better set of qualifications than what I saw from Brian Harvey.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 6245.721, "end": 6254.68, "text": "And I wanted to follow I just wanted to follow up on a question that, um, uh, the response that I got that, that he gave to, um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question earlier.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 6255.288, "end": 6258.269, "text": "Um, and it's really a question for, for you, DCA Oliveira.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 6258.894, "end": 6270.783, "text": "Um, Brian responded that he would need, in order to help with other unit, other buildings, contact info and the ability to enter the building in order to help tenants fight for themselves in towers that, that he wouldn't otherwise have access to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 6271.312, "end": 6278.083, "text": "Um, can you confirm that Home Forward board members I'd actually like to defer that to the chair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 6279.335, "end": 6281.166, "text": "Chair Kim, can you answer that question?", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 6282.482, "end": 6285.903, "text": "Yeah, none of us have automatic access to any of the buildings.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 6286.657, "end": 6287.701, "text": "We do not have that.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 6287.926, "end": 6299.069, "text": "The only access that we have regularly is to our main office building in downtown where we hold our committee meetings and our work sessions.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 6300.077, "end": 6311.11, "text": "When we do have an opportunity to visit, it's normally because we have a community event or a local property manager who allows us to access.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 6311.207, "end": 6312.629, "text": "So it's not an automatic access.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 6313.211, "end": 6321.908, "text": "And I do think that from safety, it's probably better that way, but that's something that we can talk about later.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 6322.794, "end": 6323.808, "text": "Can we change that?", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 6325.529, "end": 6329.839, "text": "That sounds like a question for you, Board Chair Kemp.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 6330.143, "end": 6333.396, "text": "Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if that's something that we can decide right now.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 6333.524, "end": 6338.219, "text": "I would like to have a conversation with our senior leadership team and Michael.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 6339.293, "end": 6342.53, "text": "There may be consequences or challenges with logistics.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 6342.578, "end": 6353.666, "text": "I'm not a tech person when it comes to FOBs and access, but I can definitely take that back into consideration and discuss it with the board and the leadership Mr.", "speaker": "Jenny Kim" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 6353.714, "end": 6360.973, "text": "Kemper, when you were at Central Oregon Housing Authority, did board members have the ability to enter and take a look and do inspections?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 6361.807, "end": 6362.031, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 6362.464, "end": 6366.454, "text": "Okay, that's really concerning to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 6366.758, "end": 6373.408, "text": "I've been to Louisa Flowers, I've been to Dawson Park Apartments, Hollywood Park, the tower that's mentioned in the article that Councilor Novick mentioned.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 6373.489, "end": 6377.158, "text": "These are all in my district that I share with Councilor Ryan and Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 6378.456, "end": 6383.538, "text": "And the— I want board members to be able to go in and see and talk to the residents.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 6384.227, "end": 6384.58, "text": "I'm—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 6384.724, "end": 6386.664, "text": "I don't even know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 6387.546, "end": 6400.498, "text": "It's answers like this that give me pause about making granular changes to board members that I want to support each of your appointments, but it makes me think that maybe we should be having the broader conversation about cleaning house.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 6401.3, "end": 6410.67, "text": "That really concerns me when I hear that, that That has nothing to do with your appointments.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 6410.67, "end": 6414.48, "text": "It's not going to affect my vote, but I want to at least daylight that issue here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 6415.69, "end": 6416.29, "text": "Oh, sorry.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 6416.29, "end": 6419.89, "text": "I just want to point out Council President Keithley has her hand raised.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 6419.89, "end": 6420.43, "text": "Oh, great.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 6420.43, "end": 6422.87, "text": "Yeah, please.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 6422.87, "end": 6430.61, "text": "I just wanted to share that it certainly— I was appointed vice chair along with the new chair, and we have had a lot had of conversations about the role of the vice chair.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 6430.836, "end": 6435.584, "text": "Meetings at different, um, uh, units when we do meet.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 6436.049, "end": 6440.908, "text": "Um, I don't know that right now it would be for me.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 6441.838, "end": 6442.784, "text": "It's been brought up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 6442.881, "end": 6444.901, "text": "We absolutely should consider it as a board.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 6446.072, "end": 6450.595, "text": "What would be important is to identify what is exactly the purpose of us.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 6450.723, "end": 6453.834, "text": "What are we trying to accomplish by giving access to board members?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 6454.347, "end": 6469.668, "text": "As soon as we identify what those I think that as we tried to balance tenants and safety of community members, we also have to balance safety in properties at large.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 6470.598, "end": 6490.542, "text": "And every time we add somebody that can just wander in— I'm not saying at all that I'm against looking into that, but I think that that would be the board's purview to really ask questions as, um, Uriah talked about and have clear, definitive objectives and then go about finding out the best way to meet those objectives.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 6491.28, "end": 6493.189, "text": "That would be my recommendation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 6494.264, "end": 6497.89, "text": "I appreciate that answer, and I do think it— I'm not looking for a commitment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 6498.018, "end": 6502.013, "text": "I honestly thought the answer was going to be yes when I asked that question and that we'd be moving on in 5 seconds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 6502.911, "end": 6507.355, "text": "I was not prepared to have a long conversation on it from that perspective.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 6508.27, "end": 6513.589, "text": "But not looking for a commitment to change a policy here live, but to have the conversation about it makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 6513.653, "end": 6515.207, "text": "And I appreciate the approach there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 6515.752, "end": 6527.945, "text": "I do think that the people that we are entrusting, elected officials are voting to appoint, having access to the common areas makes sense to be able to do site visits and to meet and get to know some of the residents.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 6528.794, "end": 6533.232, "text": "Because having met with several residents in several of these buildings, there's some discontent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 6534.258, "end": 6538.286, "text": "Not necessarily with Home Forward directly, but with the The property managers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 6539.605, "end": 6554.59, "text": "And I, because I kind of spent more time on that particular point than I wanted to, I won't dig too deep into this except to say that that's a conversation that should be had on its own about property managers and the selections.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 6554.638, "end": 6555.62, "text": "We've mentioned a couple.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 6555.668, "end": 6562.669, "text": "I won't, you know, try to embarrass any one company, but there are companies that were mentioned today that have been in this conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 6562.81, "end": 6574.329, "text": "That, that have been under, uh, a lot of scrutiny in some buildings and also praised in others because it's, it's actually very much about the company but also the specific staff, obviously, as, as I'm sure you all know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 6575.006, "end": 6587.119, "text": "Um, who— um, Brian, uh, thanks so much again for being here, and I am excited to have you be on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 6587.409, "end": 6599.07, "text": "I think having someone who, um, can organize Um, will be very helpful for the people, uh, in, in the buildings that I mentioned earlier.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 6599.599, "end": 6604.471, "text": "And I guess I'd invite all 3 of you, but in particular our 2 Portland appointees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 6605.047, "end": 6621.979, "text": "Um, I will set up the tours if, if needed because I have managed to get into— and Home Forward management has been very helpful when I've asked, um, to have the ability to go see a, um, a building so I'm happy to do that if you ever need it, and please feel free to reach out to council about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 6622.461, "end": 6638.517, "text": "But what I'd ask for you both to do is to not accept the idea that speaking to the city means speaking to the elected leaders, because it only means what— like, the explanation in response to Councilor Koyama Lane's question was all about meeting with the mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 6638.838, "end": 6639.721, "text": "You should meet with the mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 6639.962, "end": 6640.316, "text": "That's good.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 6640.685, "end": 6641.167, "text": "Please do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 6641.632, "end": 6642.323, "text": "That's not meeting with the council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 6642.371, "end": 6642.499, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 6643.88, "end": 6658.521, "text": "And so I would love it if there was a strategy to speak to, and I don't think it's necessarily your obligation, Mr. Edmonds, to speak to the Portland City Council, but to our Portland representatives to please feel free to reach out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 6658.585, "end": 6666.42, "text": "Please feel a need to reach out because we are hearing a lot from our constituents in a lot of different directions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 6667.495, "end": 6677.217, "text": "The last question I wanted to ask is, Is kind of to Councilor Novick's point about the balances that you strike.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 6678.119, "end": 6696.167, "text": "There have been some conversations around the screening criteria, and there was a change made in 2022, I believe, to the screening criteria used by Home Forward that deals kind of in a very narrow way to Councilor Novick's question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 6696.261, "end": 6696.374, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 6697.229, "end": 6703.807, "text": "And my question for you is, how would you— what would be your process for evaluating?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 6704.788, "end": 6710.897, "text": "I don't care what the outcome is right now, but what would be your process for evaluating if changes should be made to screening criteria?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 6711.299, "end": 6714.514, "text": "How would you— what would be your steps for getting to an answer?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 6716.857, "end": 6722.399, "text": "I think I would be talking to the existing staff about what their recommendations are.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 6723.254, "end": 6737.577, "text": "And then I'd go talk to a bunch of property management companies and what they're doing, what they're seeing, what they're recommending, and try to get, you know, kind of a consensus of, of what the, the right answer would be.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 6737.866, "end": 6743.855, "text": "But I think you really got to talk to a bunch of people about, you know, what they're experiencing and what they're recommending.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 6744.529, "end": 6745.573, "text": "That's how I would approach it.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 6745.653, "end": 6747.339, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 6749.279, "end": 6750.952, "text": "And I guess same question for you, Brian.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 6755.585, "end": 6758.445, "text": "And sorry, I was listening, but what was the question?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 6759.281, "end": 6775.978, "text": "You know, the screening criteria that Home Forward uses to determine should somebody be allowed to rent here, should someone be allowed to stay renting here, there's been a lot of talk about whether that change that was made a couple years ago is good, whether there should be further changes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 6776.189, "end": 6779.802, "text": "I'm just curious If someone brought a proposed change to you, how would you evaluate?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 6779.85, "end": 6783.215, "text": "What's your— what would you be doing to get to an answer?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 6784.176, "end": 6784.304, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 6785.009, "end": 6786.627, "text": "So there has been some reporting.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 6786.756, "end": 6793.694, "text": "I think Willamette Week had a breakdown of the statistics that they thought were relevant for that policy decision.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 6794.287, "end": 6796.85, "text": "I would hope that Home Forward could come up with their own.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 6797.315, "end": 6810.925, "text": "I would like some type of in-house numbers that show what we were expecting and what thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 6810.989, "end": 6811.752, "text": "That's it for me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 6812.547, "end": 6815.485, "text": "Councilor Smith or Ryan, are either those legacy hands or are those both real?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 6817.287, "end": 6817.528, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 6817.705, "end": 6818.236, "text": "Councilor Ryan?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 6818.414, "end": 6818.752, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 6820.523, "end": 6821.601, "text": "And then we'll move on after that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 6821.649, "end": 6822.245, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 6822.454, "end": 6824.499, "text": "I want to elaborate on 2 points.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 6824.708, "end": 6830.072, "text": "The survey of residents, and I think the data was more looking at big picture on Home Forward.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 6830.594, "end": 6836.842, "text": "We've been talking a lot about the management firms, the management, the property management companies.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 6837.437, "end": 6840.877, "text": "And I've experienced that as a systemic challenge.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 6841.315, "end": 6847.807, "text": "I think that, I think they've all been saying the same thing to me over the last 5 to 6 years.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 6848.631, "end": 6853.434, "text": "And I think that there needs to be them as a key audience.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 6853.499, "end": 6854.98, "text": "Because here's what I really think.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 6855.028, "end": 6859.655, "text": "I think that this editorial comment that we did a good job building A lot of new facilities.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 6860.73, "end": 6865.833, "text": "I don't think we were prepared for the management challenges of this era that we're in.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 6867.229, "end": 6870.664, "text": "And the elephant in the room is fentanyl.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 6871.001, "end": 6884.689, "text": "There's been a lot of reports of drug use and sales on the floors in my district and how uncomfortable people are to dance around that issue, literally even feeling safe to report it, if you will.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 6884.77, "end": 6896.073, "text": "Well, so, um, and I think that what I'd hear from the management folks is that they don't have the staffing to manage some of these challenges and that they're not set up to be successful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 6897.519, "end": 6903.758, "text": "And so I just, I just hope that you realize how deep this, um, commitment is right now.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 6904.357, "end": 6911.353, "text": "You're all entering, um, at a time where stuff that's been talked about for 6 years is finally really out in the open.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 6911.418, "end": 6911.58, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 6912.628, "end": 6921.605, "text": "And you're the board at this moment that has to guide a culture differently than it was guided prior to that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 6922.602, "end": 6928.05, "text": "But I think the blaming isn't really the solution as much as what are the standards?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 6928.162, "end": 6953.6, "text": "What seems like we're not providing enough support, big we, government included, on how to manage the projects and I've gone to way too many ribbon cuttings, and then within a year later, I hear about vacancy rates that are uncomfortable, and I hear about conditions that are really, really sad.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 6954.487, "end": 6960.869, "text": "And I think that there just needs to be some honest dialogue with all of these groups.", 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6997.311, "text": "Enough of them, and then 3, not having maybe the skill sets that were required to meet the needs and the challenge of the residents.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 6999.56, "end": 7002.635, "text": "Property management is a very difficult business.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 7003.44, "end": 7010.108, "text": "You know, I, I've been— I've used so many property— different, different property managers over the years.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 7010.932, "end": 7012.191, "text": "It's very frustrating.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 7012.24, "end": 7020.156, "text": "In Central Oregon, we actually got to a place where we ended up forming our own property management company.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 7020.594, "end": 7035.243, "text": "We had developed more than— we had a portfolio of like 700 units, which, you know, you could 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7054.575, "text": "Because when somebody says they don't have enough staffing, it's a money issue and it's hiring the right people.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 7056.997, "end": 7061.324, "text": "And so it worked, it did improve.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 7062.831, "end": 7078.038, "text": "But after, unfortunately, I retired in 2018, and after pandemic, their management made some bad decisions and they ended up replacing Epic with another third-party property management company.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 7078.922, "end": 7082.103, "text": "But I think it was, it was a management issue.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 7082.232, "end": 7084.32, "text": "They had the wrong people involved.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 7084.385, "end": 7093.189, "text": "And so I think it really does boil down to the who and financially how you support those 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responsibility as Housing Commissioner to make calls to say, you were awarded this new contract.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 7129.072, "end": 7133.42, "text": "And I started getting pushback like, I don't know if I want it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 7133.645, "end": 7135.522, "text": "Like, you know, like this is getting really hard.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 7136.067, "end": 7142.468, "text": "And I don't know if Home Forward, the city's providing enough money to manage the property in the way that we need to.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 7143.046, "end": 7143.286, "text": "So—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 7143.286, "end": 7147.764, "text": "I think Mr. Edmonds pointed out the service side is so critical.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 7148.647, "end": 7150.895, "text": "And, you know, again, I think that's a money issue.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 7151.313, "end": 7153.866, "text": "And it's— well, it's also, you know, hiring the right people.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 7154.508, "end": 7158.025, "text": "But I mean, I— it— again, I think it boils down to the who.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 7158.619, "end": 7163.275, "text": "And, you know, do you support it effectively with enough money?", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 7163.676, "end": 7164.543, "text": "I really appreciate this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 7164.8, "end": 7173.838, "text": "I think what you're experiencing is how important it is for the council to really have this type of authentic dialogue concerning what we have been listening to for some time.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 7174.495, "end": 7176.42, "text": "And so I think we're on the right track.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 7176.741, "end": 7185.1, "text": "We just have to keep unearthing all of what people are seeing or hearing about and make sure that we get a handle on it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 7185.501, "end": 7187.073, "text": "And have high expectations.", "speaker": "Tom Kemper" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 7187.811, "end": 7188.693, "text": "Extremely so.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 7188.854, "end": 7189.832, "text": "Yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 7189.993, "end": 7191.372, "text": "There's so much more to talk about.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 7191.436, "end": 7194.918, "text": "I look forward to having a dialogue with you and the board in the future.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 7195.511, "end": 7196.859, "text": "And thank you again.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 7197.148, "end": 7199.474, "text": "Supporting all 3 of you for this appointment.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 7199.538, "end": 7199.972, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 7200.742, "end": 7202.202, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 7202.25, "end": 7204.48, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, this is a resolution.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 7204.592, "end": 7206.486, "text": "It does not need a, uh, separate motion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 7206.614, "end": 7213.048, "text": "So there is a, uh, I think we have a vote on whether or not to refer each of these separately on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 7213.273, "end": 7219.338, "text": "So the first one is our 2 Portland appointees, and the second one is our Gresham appointee to the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 7219.98, "end": 7222.274, "text": "Is that correct, Diego?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 7222.547, "end": 7224.857, "text": "I believe we need a motion and a second.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 7224.954, "end": 7225.579, "text": "We do need a motion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 7225.76, "end": 7228.825, "text": "Okay, is there a motion to refer on the Portland appointees?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 7228.874, "end": 7229.669, "text": "Let's start with the first one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 7230.253, "end": 7230.675, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 7230.983, "end": 7231.307, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 7231.551, "end": 7233.627, "text": "Moved by Councilor Novick, seconded 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"Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 7402.773, "end": 7403.642, "text": "Thank you for stepping up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 7403.9, "end": 7407.169, "text": "We have 2 items left on our agenda, but we're gonna take a short break.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 7407.557, "end": 7409.648, "text": "Please be back in 11 minutes at 4:10.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 7410.318, "end": 7410.579, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 7411.069, "end": 7413.003, "text": "We're recessed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 7430.76, "end": 7431.156, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 8220.832, "end": 8227.034, "text": "We are at 6 unless somebody online can turn on their camera, uh, beyond the 2 who already have.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 8227.082, "end": 8227.58, "text": "Thank you to you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 8228.383, "end": 8231.966, "text": "Okay, we are back in session.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 8232.175, "end": 8236.706, "text": "It may not look like we have quorum, but we do with the folks online, uh, so thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 8237.445, "end": 8250.946, "text": "Um, Diego, can you please call item Item 6, document number 2026-375, appoint alternate members to the Community Board for Police Accountability.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 8251.749, "end": 8252.15, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 8252.455, "end": 8257.993, "text": "Uh, senior— no, Chief Deputy City Attorney Heidi Brown, please take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 8258.635, "end": 8258.956, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 8259.213, "end": 8260.786, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair, councilors.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 8260.898, "end": 8262.23, "text": "Good to see you all this afternoon.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 8262.888, "end": 8272.106, "text": "Um, this resolution is part of a non-monetary settlement agreement That resolves a lawsuit brought by Mr. Weinstein.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 8272.524, "end": 8278.458, "text": "The settlement agreement is not before you because, because it's non-monetary.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 8278.554, "end": 8289.024, "text": "However, the reappointment of Mr. Weinstein as an alternate to the Community Board for Police Accountability is before you because it is a condition of the settlement.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 8289.702, "end": 8300.871, "text": "Therefore, if council were to decide not to reappoint Mr. Weinstein as an alternate thank you.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 8301.355, "end": 8312.551, "text": "So just briefly, Mr. Weinstein was removed from service as an alternate on the Community Board for Police Accountability after declining to sign a confidentiality and nondisclosure agreement.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 8313.13, "end": 8320.159, "text": "We were unable to resolve that matter prior to his removal, but I'm very happy to say that since then we've been able to work together.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 8320.716, "end": 8330.639, "text": "And find some middle ground that works both for the city and for Mr. Weinstein on the nondisclosure agreement, which we will have all the other board members sign as well.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 8330.832, "end": 8338.394, "text": "And so basically the settlement agreement revised the nondisclosure and confidentiality agreement, as I stated.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 8339.518, "end": 8345.764, "text": "We will publish non-privileged Community Board for Police Accountability trainings on the— on their website.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 8346.743, "end": 8348.906, "text": "And then the litigation will be dismissed.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 8349.547, "end": 8352.768, "text": "That is dependent upon if Mr. Weinstein is reappointed.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 8352.832, "end": 8363.424, "text": "So at this point, I am recommending to you for this council to reappoint Mr. Weinstein in interest of this settlement and furtherance of that matter.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 8363.712, "end": 8365.699, "text": "If you have 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"Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 8396.534, "end": 8400.447, "text": "Yes, we have— Mr., Mr. Weinstein was concerned with some aspects of it.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 8401.458, "end": 8412.345, "text": "We have clarified the nondisclosure agreement so it's, it's so that there's, uh, it's, it's clear what they are agreeing to keep confidential, um, for the city.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 8412.537, "end": 8419.811, "text": "We're clear that certain things will come through our office to get advice by board members if they need it on what they can disclose.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 8420.325, "end": 8422.573, "text": "And with that, we felt comfortable resolving it.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 8423.279, "end": 8436.047, "text": "And so the things that he wanted clarify or not to sign off on was these were training materials that he wanted, and he was basically to sign an NDA not to make those public?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 8436.929, "end": 8440.393, "text": "I can't remember what it was, but I'm trying to get this straight technically.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 8440.778, "end": 8448.283, "text": "Yeah, at that time, the nondisclosure agreement said any and all confidential information, and it wasn't clear about what that covered.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 8449.277, "end": 8456.47, "text": "And then we had a discussion about whether something was attorney-client privileged and who would make the decision about whether to release that.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 8456.888, "end": 8467.957, "text": "What we did is go through and make sure that the nondisclosure agreement provides clarity on what board members have to keep confidential, and it ties it really to the public records laws.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 8469.274, "end": 8477.611, "text": "Things, matters that are exempt from public records disclosure will also be considered confidential, and also makes clear which, which includes attorney-client privilege.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 8477.66, "end": 8480.02, "text": "So the training materials are now not confidential anymore?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 8480.34, "end": 8481.833, "text": "Um, most of them are not.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 8482.025, "end": 8490.915, "text": "There is one training that was provided by me, and that would continue to be attorney-client privileged, so that would not be posted on the website.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 8491.011, "end": 8497.141, "text": "Okay, so I'm just trying to keep clear because this was a long time ago that this happened, and I wanted to make sure that I had it technically correct.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 8497.27, "end": 8500.495, "text": "But he is still going to sign some sort of an NDA?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 8501.201, "end": 8506.159, "text": "Yes, yes, we've revised it, and it'll— the revised NDA will apply to all board members.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 8507.083, "end": 8510.182, "text": "And Mr. Weinstein is willing to sign it with the revisions we've made.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 8510.553, "end": 8515.719, "text": "So didn't all the other members sign an NDA and he refused to?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 8516.301, "end": 8518.131, "text": "That is correct, Councilor.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 8518.39, "end": 8527.755, "text": "And so that I'm correct, so in his refusal, that's what got him removed from the alternate spot?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 8528.046, "end": 8528.434, "text": "That's right.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 8528.693, "end": 8535.754, "text": "And I think he and I had tried to work through the concerns he had, and we just unfortunately didn't have enough time to be able to achieve that.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 8536.447, "end": 8539.733, "text": "Before this matter was before council and his removal occurred.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 8540.72, "end": 8549.374, "text": "And then thereafter, he filed a lawsuit, and we worked with his attorney and him and my office to come up with— make those revisions so that we all felt comfortable with it.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 8549.471, "end": 8561.125, "text": "And so now we can no longer remove people from those positions for not signing the NDAs?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 8561.758, "end": 8564.323, "text": "Well, they'll have to re-sign the revised nondisclosure agreement.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 8564.372, "end": 8564.988, "text": "The revised one.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 8565.437, "end": 8565.565, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 8565.999, "end": 8574.171, "text": "And then any new board members who get appointed either as an alternate or as a board member would need to sign this same nondisclosure agreement.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8574.22, "end": 8574.894, "text": "This new one.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8575.006, "end": 8576.628, "text": "Okay, so I got it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8576.773, "end": 8578.378, "text": "Thank you for walking me through that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8578.764, "end": 8579.502, "text": "Happy to do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8579.647, "end": 8579.92, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8580.369, "end": 8580.482, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8580.546, "end": 8582.954, "text": "And just to clarify, there, there is no testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8583.019, "end": 8583.87, "text": "I just got the update.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8584.303, "end": 8586.294, "text": "Um, so we're just going to do everything together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8586.792, "end": 8588.655, "text": "Um, feel free to get back in the queue as needed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 8588.815, "end": 8590.308, "text": "Um, Councilor Green followed by Avalos.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 8591.865, "end": 8592.619, "text": "Thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 8593.47, "end": 8597.643, "text": "Just, I think, first of all, I think it's pronounced Weinstein.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 8598.445, "end": 8600.018, "text": "Is that a not— yeah, I've got the positive.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 8600.194, "end": 8604.351, "text": "Yeah, just like to do that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 8604.928, "end": 8610.738, "text": "I spent a lot of time with Mr. Weinstein on the campaign trail, so I got to hear him pronounce his name a lot in 2024.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 8610.818, "end": 8611.332, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 8611.669, "end": 8615.777, "text": "I appreciate the work that has happened to get to a resolution here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 8615.857, "end": 8617.189, "text": "I understand that it's a non-monetary resolution.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 8618.28, "end": 8632.21, "text": "My objection to having Mr. Weinstein on it originally was because what felt like a refusal to work with or to sort of land that plane with the City Attorney's Office.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 8632.21, "end": 8633.87, "text": "That has happened.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 8633.87, "end": 8637.45, "text": "So now I no longer have a reason to object Mr. Weinstein.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 8637.45, "end": 8641.37, "text": "So I'm going to support the resolution appointing him today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 8641.37, "end": 8642.41, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 8642.45, "end": 8644.09, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 8644.09, "end": 8645.45, "text": "Councilor Avalos, followed by myself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 8645.45, "end": 8645.51, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 8645.51, "end": 8645.53, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 8646.561, "end": 8646.882, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 8647.348, "end": 8651.651, "text": "Thank you, Heidi, for all of your work to get to some kind of resolution.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 8652.631, "end": 8659.342, "text": "Unfortunately, the very serious concerns that I had raised the last time we talked about Mr. Weinstein's appointment remain.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 8659.937, "end": 8662.682, "text": "And so to keep it short, I do not plan on supporting this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 8662.907, "end": 8663.18, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 8663.951, "end": 8666.985, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 8667.178, "end": 8667.82, "text": "I'm next in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 8667.965, "end": 8670.887, "text": "Colleagues, I added myself as a co-sponsor to this one as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 8671.517, "end": 8680.97, "text": "I felt that it was appropriate at the time that this conversation was coming up, exactly what you said, Heidi, that a little more time to figure out the question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 8681.165, "end": 8693.144, "text": "I think that there were some— whenever you're standing up a new system and looking at the changes in what is going to be required or not, there's likely to be some questions over the level of disclosure that's appropriate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 8693.562, "end": 8699.722, "text": "I think that's been seen throughout the various steps of this process of migrating from the old system to the new.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 8699.771, "end": 8699.95, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 8701.467, "end": 8705.203, "text": "And so that's why I voted no on the removal in the first place.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 8705.799, "end": 8712.488, "text": "And that's why I'm glad to see that this has been resolved to both— assuming this passes— to mutual satisfaction.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 8712.634, "end": 8715.485, "text": "So that's why I will be supportive of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 8718.402, "end": 8718.517, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 8718.616, "end": 8721.375, "text": "Just going to pause and there's no one else in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 8721.473, "end": 8722.344, "text": "Just give everyone a moment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 8724.5, "end": 8724.596, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 8725.016, "end": 8730.884, "text": "Colleagues, we would need a motion to refer this resolution onto the full council with a due date Do I have a motion to pass recommendation in order to proceed?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 8731.061, "end": 8731.205, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 8731.734, "end": 8732.135, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 8732.424, "end": 8734.574, "text": "Moved by Councilor Smith, seconded by Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 8735.248, "end": 8737.061, "text": "Is there any further discussion on this item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 8738.296, "end": 8738.89, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 8739.74, "end": 8745.917, "text": "I would just like to say that I will be supporting this motion, and I'm glad we got it straightened out.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 8746.061, "end": 8750.553, "text": "And I do agree that when you're starting something new, you really need to work through the kinks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 8750.65, "end": 8756.402, "text": "And I'm glad that, um, uh, Bob Weinstein or Stein.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 8756.854, "end": 8760.564, "text": "I'm sorry, you have to excuse my Michigan vernacular.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 8763.33, "end": 8773.987, "text": "But Bob is very thorough and he is smart and he is a public servant.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 8774.132, "end": 8787.249, "text": "And the idea that someone with his background and track record, that we don't use his information that he's willing to give in his retirement, I think would have been a shame.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 8788.453, "end": 8797.429, "text": "And so I am happy to say that I will be full-throatedly supporting Kim in his effort to, to serve.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 8798.44, "end": 8799.789, "text": "So thank you so much, Bob.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 8801.009, "end": 8802.792, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 8802.84, "end": 8806.051, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, Diego, will you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 8809.33, "end": 8809.379, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 8811.502, "end": 8811.599, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 8813.513, "end": 8813.562, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 8814.66, "end": 8814.951, "text": "Avalos.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 8815.226, "end": 8815.372, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 8818.204, "end": 8818.511, "text": "Smith.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 8819.741, "end": 8819.79, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 8821.02, "end": 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"Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 8834.737, "end": 8835.01, "text": "Knoll.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 8835.541, "end": 8835.589, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 8836.829, "end": 8840.256, "text": "With— oh, sorry, one second.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 8843.11, "end": 8855.214, "text": "With 9 ayes, 2 nays, and 1 absent, the motion carries, and the resolution, document number 2026-375, moves to the full council with a recommendation it be adopted.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 8856.731, "end": 8857.298, "text": "Thank you, Heidi.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 8858.109, "end": 8859.353, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Weinstein, as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 8861.47, "end": 8862.185, "text": "Colleagues, we have one item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 8862.315, "end": 8865.158, "text": "Well, Diego, will you please read item 6?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 8867.462, "end": 8868.639, "text": "I believe we're on item 7.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 8868.833, "end": 8869.204, "text": "Is that right?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 8869.252, "end": 8869.945, "text": "Oh yeah, you're right.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 8870.122, "end": 8870.493, "text": "Item 7.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 8871.573, "end": 8877.518, "text": "Item 7, document number 2026-378, Council Leadership Election Process.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 8879.45, "end": 8880.087, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 8880.136, "end": 8882.261, "text": "This 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"start": 8909.97, "end": 8910.037, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 8910.763, "end": 8917.535, "text": "Opinions of the workgroup itself, but to start a conversation that may eventually lead to changes to our processes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 8919.67, "end": 8925.74, "text": "The workgroup on the council leadership election process was Councilors Avalos, Dunphy, myself, Pirtle-Guiney, and Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 8926.582, "end": 8943.576, "text": "We did consult, the 3, 4 of us met 3 times and talked about this, and the idea was to capture everything that had been suggested as ways to To update the council election process in a way that would help avoid some of the problems that we've seen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 8943.625, "end": 8949.694, "text": "If you look at page 2 of the document, you'll see what those problems were that 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"start": 8972.728, "end": 8977.628, "text": "Okay, so, um, this is a very, very brief slide deck here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 8977.837, "end": 8986.049, "text": "Um, little disclaimer, which you're going to see on there too, um, which is see if there's a possibility to change, uh, 3.02 around the council leadership election.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 8986.406, "end": 8992.103, "text": "Absent any changes, we continue as is with the election on Wednesday, January 6th, 2027.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 8992.762, "end": 9004.792, "text": "The goal of the report was to describe each option and the relevant variables as neutrally as possible, to provide the positives as a supporter of the option might, and to provide the negatives as a critic of the option might, without regard to our own opinions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 9005.226, "end": 9009, "text": "The workgroup itself is not making recommendations, though certainly the 4 of us all have thoughts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 9009.546, "end": 9013.578, "text": "And we are not— we didn't go through a whole legal analysis process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 9013.658, "end": 9015.364, "text": "That'll happen if and when there there's an ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 9016.95, "end": 9023.557, "text": "We basically split the options into 2 categories, the first being the options that are generally mutually exclusive, the pick one options.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 9024.73, "end": 9031.247, "text": "6 Of those were in there, and then a bunch of others— I think there's 11, uh, 10— that can be layered on top of it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 9031.505, "end": 9033.259, "text": "You can pick any, pick all, or pick 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"text": "And you can see them on the screen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 9081.066, "end": 9082.037, "text": "They're also in the report.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 9082.134, "end": 9083.025, "text": "I'm just gonna show it here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 9083.073, "end": 9083.98, "text": "I'm not gonna go through 'em all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 9086.373, "end": 9088.403, "text": "Yeah, that is the whole presentation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 9088.468, "end": 9101.897, "text": "There's not a lot here, but I did want to briefly allow each of the other people on the workgroup to add anything that they wanted to, to sort of explain our work and then just open it up and let folks react.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 9102.789, "end": 9110.819, "text": "Colleagues, as you are doing it, including 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"start": 9405.783, "end": 9406.539, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 9406.603, "end": 9410.384, "text": "I appreciate everybody putting in, in a lot of work.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 9410.529, "end": 9415.225, "text": "And, you know, some of these conversations were very brutal over the last 2 years.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 9416.279, "end": 9421.995, "text": "I nominated, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney because I thought she did a good job with what she was working with.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 9422.22, "end": 9428.37, "text": "And I appreciate the leadership of our new council president, and he's done a good job as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 9429.205, "end": 9434.68, "text": "But I, um, I am going to go back to what I always said because I'm always very clear.", "speaker": "Loretta 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"id": "cue-1603", "start": 9550.458, "end": 9553.416, "text": "I believe we are not following the charter willingly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 9554.252, "end": 9555.973, "text": "We are in a constitutional crisis.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 9557.117, "end": 9568.259, "text": "And until we get something that says this is what it is and that the mayor breaks all ties, amendments, and everything, I don't want any more parts of it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1606", "start": 9568.708, "end": 9569.287, "text": "I really don't.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1607", "start": 9569.688, "end": 9575.432, "text": "So, but I do appreciate your work because you're trying to do a workaround when we really need to do what we need to do.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1608", "start": 9575.486, "end": 9575.629, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1609", "start": 9576.22, "end": 9580.578, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1610", "start": 9580.626, "end": 9582.48, "text": "Councilor Green, followed by Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1611", "start": 9585.78, "end": 9592.72, "text": "Yeah, um, just some opening remarks before we kind of get into the, um, specificity of these proposals.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 9592.897, "end": 9612.867, "text": "I just want to say that it's a pretty high priority of mine to adopt some kind of rule before the end of the year and before we get into January, whoever whoever's whoever's in these seats in January, so that way we have some certainty on how we will approach resolution of this question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 9612.964, "end": 9627.004, "text": "There's been a lot of discourse around sort of like council not being able to resolve questions before council, focusing on six six splits.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 9627.36, "end": 9629.576, "text": "A lot of that reporting has.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 9629.726, "end": 9635.688, "text": "I think the council is frankly not engaged with the data, which says that 96% of the votes before this body are resolved.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 9637.046, "end": 9637.305, "text": "It's—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 9637.305, "end": 9643.677, "text": "But it's the council president election and it's the amendments, the budget process where we— where you do find that tension.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 9644.358, "end": 9647.834, "text": "I don't personally have an issue with the budget amendments failing 6-6.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1619", "start": 9647.882, "end": 9648.966, "text": "That's what they're supposed to do.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1620", "start": 9649.208, "end": 9652.342, "text": "If you can't find your 7th vote, well, that's on you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1621", "start": 9654.392, "end": 9661.808, "text": "I do believe strongly that it's the obligation of this body to choose its leadership.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1622", "start": 9662.371, "end": 9674.203, "text": "And our inability to resolve that question swiftly and with a sort of like level of rigor, I think, has created a loss of confidence in the public.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1623", "start": 9674.444, "end": 9675.899, "text": "And I think it's really important to earn that back.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1624", "start": 9676.32, "end": 9681.885, "text": "And so there's a couple proposals that I've reviewed here that are in play that I like some more than others.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1625", "start": 9683.608, "end": 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"start": 9703.829, "end": 9707.989, "text": "And I want to thank all of you who've served on this subcommittee, if you will.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1633", "start": 9708.808, "end": 9711.841, "text": "And I'll just say ditto to what Councilor Smith said.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 9712.194, "end": 9715.773, "text": "I'm really clear that that's the solution.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 9715.95, "end": 9720.492, "text": "And I think having— I would like to talk about the variables when we get there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 9721.889, "end": 9723.766, "text": "I'm seeing the variables, how many rounds?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 9723.815, "end": 9726.8, "text": "That's a great question, 'cause it would be great if we could resolve it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 9727.281, "end": 9731.904, "text": "But I know when I voted on the 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"Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 9747.847, "end": 9750.529, "text": "First off, I, I wanted to identify the problem statement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1647", "start": 9750.657, "end": 9759.151, "text": "I, I think that this, um, I agree with everything Councilor Green said about our general votes and on the fairness of 6-6-6.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1648", "start": 9759.28, "end": 9759.48, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1649", "start": 9759.48, "end": 9763.08, "text": "I think that the process is failing as it relates to amendments, budget and otherwise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 9764.02, "end": 9771.05, "text": "With relation to the council president and theoretically vice president, although that hasn't happened yet, votes, I do think that that's a little different.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 9771.96, "end": 9779.94, "text": "I think there are people who are cautiously optimistic about the charter for whom this has posed a pretty big challenge to their faith in the new system.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 9779.94, "end": 9790.51, "text": "And I think there are also people who were maybe never in favor of the charter who are using this as an opportunity to I think kind of cynically, for why the rest of the system is on trial to them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 9791.95, "end": 9793.448, "text": "I'm not referring to any colleagues when I say that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 9793.497, "end": 9795.704, "text": "I'm more talking about the outside conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 9795.769, "end": 9803.597, "text": "I think with relation to the unsettled question of the council president's power is an important one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 9803.645, "end": 9810.229, "text": "I'm glad Councilor Pirtle-Guiney raised that as well, because I think sometimes it feels a lot higher stakes than it may otherwise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 9810.856, "end": 9818.665, "text": "And then the release valve to that is the lack of the same feeling as it relates to the Vice President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 9819.244, "end": 9827.389, "text": "So, you know, alongside this, I hope that there's a conversation that starts about enumerated powers for the Vice President that might help with this situation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 9828.34, "end": 9832.995, "text": "Colleagues, the pick one option that I suggested is number 4, incumbent must abstain.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 9834.075, "end": 9852.239, "text": "And this would, in a 1-year council president term, but 2 years of the same council membership 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"text": "And like we have never been before, even last year, our first year, this has just been a very rigorous schedule as far as I'm concerned.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 10126.457, "end": 10128.51, "text": "I'd like to have more conversation about that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 10129.12, "end": 10131.783, "text": "But that being said, we've been doing work.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 10132.409, "end": 10133.387, "text": "Folks may not agree.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 10133.895, "end": 10137.832, "text": "We've talked about issues that, you know, many folks talk about the FAR GWAI.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1713", "start": 10137.913, "end": 10140.753, "text": "I didn't think we should have been spending 6 months on it, but we did.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1714", "start": 10142.028, "end": 10145.84, "text": "At any rate, and so we kind of get off track on that, but we have done work.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1715", "start": 10145.904, "end": 10149.037, "text": "We have changed some things that needed to be changed.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1716", "start": 10149.197, "end": 10156.151, "text": "We have deliberated on the things that the bureaus have put forward to the mayor that have gotten to us.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1717", "start": 10156.683, "end": 10169.124, "text": "So I think we have done that job, but we have failed to really We have failed the community in really coming to grips that we have a charter.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1718", "start": 10169.655, "end": 10174.485, "text": "If y'all want to change— y'all basically are changing the charter with this, and y'all can't change the charter.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1719", "start": 10174.843, "end": 10176.976, "text": "You got to wait for the charter change, y'all.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1720", "start": 10177.688, "end": 10181.426, "text": "It's like, you know, my grandkids, they want to open their presents the day before Christmas.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1721", "start": 10181.914, "end": 10184.677, "text": "No, you want to change stuff, you can't.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1722", "start": 10185.724, "end": 10188.948, "text": "In order to get this change, you have to go through charter, or you have to go get a declaratory judgment.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 10188.997, "end": 10189.128, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 10189.919, "end": 10199.126, "text": "So, I mean, you know, these are, these are things that I know you're trying to solve a problem before we get there, but let's wait till after the election and we'll see.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 10201.89, "end": 10202.91, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 10202.976, "end": 10204.44, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, then Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 10206.776, "end": 10211.515, "text": "I was hoping to have some other folks talk first, but the queue was getting short, so I jumped in.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 10212.096, "end": 10240.557, "text": "Um, colleagues A lot of the proposals that we considered in this group continue to strike me as reactions to the past 2 elections, and that makes me a little bit uncomfortable because, um, we get a lot of good done all together, and we don't know what the future will hold for this body.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 10240.686, "end": 10256.798, "text": "And I, I don't mean that looking I mean that looking to 4 or 8 or 10 years from now and the fact that any number of things could come up that this body faces in that time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 10257.863, "end": 10270.6, "text": "And writing rules specific to 2 discrete challenges has a real opportunity to leave us with even more challenges down the road.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 10270.648, "end": 10270.793, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 10272.36, "end": 10282.18, "text": "I want to state clearly that I trust our current council president to preside over a council president election, whether or not he is running.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 10282.966, "end": 10288.679, "text": "I trust any of you to preside over a vote that you have a vested interest in.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 10288.743, "end": 10289.786, "text": "We do that every day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 10290.268, "end": 10295.932, "text": "We do that every time somebody is chairing a body and has a proposal, chairing a committee and has a proposal before it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 10296.59, "end": 10297.842, "text": "We do that when we let chairs set agendas.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 10297.906, "end": 10298.387, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 10299.574, "end": 10305.895, "text": "There are plenty of places where we all have vested interests in the work and preside over it nonetheless.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 10307.339, "end": 10311.189, "text": "I also don't think anybody should be disenfranchised for having stepped up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 10312.023, "end": 10319.211, "text": "So proposals like asking the council president not to preside or not to vote are non-starters for me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 10320.43, "end": 10337.131, "text": "In fact, I don't want us to disenfranchise any of our colleagues ever, and I think I'm also not interested in options which depend upon members who may no longer be in office.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 10337.83, "end": 10349.95, "text": "So an automatic vice president succession, succession, or the council president abstaining assumes that somebody is still in office who may have chosen not to run the next term.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 10350.031, "end": 10350.452, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 10351.539, "end": 10367.853, "text": "And that leads us to a long path of figuring out what-ifs, if we get stuck in a council president election and the method for resolving it that we have before us isn't actually possible.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1745", "start": 10369.48, "end": 10373.836, "text": "There's also a whole category of things here that bring some of our deliberations behind closed doors.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1746", "start": 10373.901, "end": 10375.472, "text": "And this is a very important category.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1747", "start": 10375.569, "end": 10375.65, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1748", "start": 10376.14, "end": 10382.983, "text": "This council has repeatedly tried to move more and more of our deliberations into the open and to the public.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1749", "start": 10384.121, "end": 10398.578, "text": "Now, I do think that the work of running our body is at times different from the work of running our city, and it may be that it helps to ease tension if we move some of those conversations behind closed doors.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 10399.476, "end": 10404.829, "text": "But if we do that, I want us to be careful about how we do that and how much we move behind closed doors.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 10406.6, "end": 10410.247, "text": "Because I want Portlanders to still trust this body.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 10411.97, "end": 10417.945, "text": "I do think that what helped us last year was a cooling-off period.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 10418.415, "end": 10439.853, "text": "And while it wasn't mandatory, and while there were some folks who were frustrated that we took 6 days before we reconvened, that time allowed folks to bring the temperature down, have some additional non-quorum discussions, and come back and move us forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 10441.054, "end": 10442.564, "text": "I don't think that needs to be mandatory.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 10443.083, "end": 10445.486, "text": "We did it without it being mandated last time around.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 10446.873, "end": 10470.481, "text": "But I do think things like a cooling-off period, like moving other names forward, Maybe even considering, um, the incumbent remaining in office for a period of time, though I have concerns about somebody not being able to move us forward and get the work done if that's the case.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 10471.468, "end": 10475.965, "text": "Um, those may help ease tension, and I think that's what I'm looking for here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 10476.738, "end": 10481.037, "text": "I actually don't think the status quo is as broken as I think some of you all do.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 10482.277, "end": 10513.444, "text": "But if we're going to look for changes, I'm looking for things that allow us opportunities to So that we can move forward with good decision-making that gets us out of, um, impasses that may actually be about a specific person or a specific concern and not about the issue at hand.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 10513.509, "end": 10513.688, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 10514.76, "end": 10518.149, "text": "I'll leave it there for now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 10518.23, "end": 10519.563, "text": "I look forward to hearing from others.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 10519.901, "end": 10520.254, "text": "Thanks, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 10520.784, "end": 10522.294, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 10522.487, "end": 10523.949, "text": "Go to Councilor Novick, then Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 10524.013, "end": 10528.142, "text": "And just as a flag, after Councilor Green, I will be closing the queue, so feel free to get in before that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 10528.978, "end": 10536.079, "text": "Uh, just real quickly, I agree with everything that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just said, except that I do think that there's some discussions should be had in private.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 10536.689, "end": 10541.779, "text": "And I think that the public would be perfectly fine with us resolving some things in private rather than everything happened to be in public.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 10542.388, "end": 10546.106, "text": "Um, I also just want to say, Councilor Smith, I don't think it was clear before, you're absolutely right.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 10546.795, "end": 10550.465, "text": "The charter says the mayor breaks ties, and that means all ties.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 10550.978, "end": 10553.862, "text": "So I think I support your idea for declaratory judgment.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 10554.327, "end": 10561.073, "text": "I was just saying that I understand people's uneasiness with the idea of a mayor deciding the leadership of the council, but there's a solution to that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 10561.474, "end": 10565.705, "text": "If we want to make sure that that doesn't happen, then set out a charter change to establish a 13th councilor.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 10566.948, "end": 10567.368, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 10568.239, "end": 10569.224, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 10569.273, "end": 10570.662, "text": "We'll go to Councilor Green, then Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 10573.69, "end": 10582.255, "text": "Yeah, to the, um, kind of substantive options here, I think generally speaking I favor simplicity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 10583.48, "end": 10593.668, "text": "Um, you know, uh, it'd be nice if we could walk into this chambers and resolve the question in one or two rounds.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1779", "start": 10594.113, "end": 10600, "text": "But that will depend upon the electorate and who they choose to represent them, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1780", "start": 10600.081, "end": 10602.717, "text": "So we can't necessarily predict that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1781", "start": 10603.655, "end": 10604.857, "text": "But I do think we have some tools here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1782", "start": 10606.58, "end": 10606.827, "text": "I kind of—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1783", "start": 10606.86, "end": 10628.55, "text": "I generally agree with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's sort of misgivings on approaches that would depend upon people who are serving and assume that they are going to serve like, what if you don't want to be the council president and you're currently the vice president?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 10628.55, "end": 10631.39, "text": "Like, that feels like a sentence more than it feels like an opportunity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 10632.85, "end": 10637.13, "text": "So I think, like, what's standing— what's coming up to the surface for me is a combination of a few things.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 10637.13, "end": 10648.953, "text": "One, I like the idea of this sort of deliberate work session approach where we can start to sort of make the case and, like, who we— what kind of leader we want, what kind of leadership style we want, what kind of Who can bring that skill set to bear?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 10649.065, "end": 10649.932, "text": "What are our priorities?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 10650.286, "end": 10656.919, "text": "And that really gets us to a point where we're starting the year doing a priority-based, um, sort of session, if you will.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 10657.738, "end": 10660.597, "text": "Um, I'm open to some level of executive session.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1790", "start": 10661.673, "end": 10694.381, "text": "Uh, and 2, I think— or 3, I guess— I like STAR voting because, and especially if we've got multiple candidates, because I think in some sense it removes I think there's always the incentive to pregame this, to sort of say, all right, I know that this person maybe won't have all the votes, so we'll put up this other person first, and then that person gets knocked out, and then we're coming in on the back end with someone who we're presenting as a compromise candidate, but maybe they were always the person we wanted in the first place.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1791", "start": 10694.445, "end": 10698.7, "text": "I think any given faction will always be given over to that strategy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1792", "start": 10698.748, "end": 10699.069, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1793", "start": 10699.182, "end": 10701.473, "text": "Type of a strategy, and I don't think it's particularly helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1794", "start": 10701.922, "end": 10710.718, "text": "And so if you have a STAR voting system, you simply just say, look, based upon the work session, we heard from these 3 different council president candidates, here are the different ways they'd approach it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1795", "start": 10711.103, "end": 10716.263, "text": "You assign your points based upon what you like about them, and the vote resolves.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1796", "start": 10716.872, "end": 10719.884, "text": "And there's a very rare case where you might have a tie, and in that case, flip a coin.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1797", "start": 10720.573, "end": 10721.486, "text": "I think that's how I want to do it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1798", "start": 10721.839, "end": 10730.07, "text": "Um, I think if we're going to do a charter amendment process, I'm not opposed to a 13th council but I mean, we're not gonna be able to do that anytime soon.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1799", "start": 10730.09, "end": 10738.03, "text": "So we gotta figure out how to— actually, you know what, I'm gonna take you one more, Councilor Ryan, 'cause I see your reaction.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1800", "start": 10738.23, "end": 10739.14, "text": "We're gonna have 21 councilors.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1801", "start": 10739.95, "end": 10742.87, "text": "We're gonna go as high as we can.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1802", "start": 10742.87, "end": 10744.51, "text": "Just kidding.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1803", "start": 10744.51, "end": 10745.56, "text": "Put that in the budget.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1804", "start": 10745.79, "end": 10747.25, "text": "Yeah, we'll take it outta your budget.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1805", "start": 10748.61, "end": 10750.98, "text": "But yeah, no, I think that's the way to do it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1806", "start": 10754.044, "end": 10754.718, "text": "I'll leave it there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1807", "start": 10755.038, "end": 10755.779, "text": "We're just having fun.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1808", "start": 10758.1, "end": 10758.212, "text": "We do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1809", "start": 10758.293, "end": 10759.307, "text": "We have people online.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1810", "start": 10759.806, "end": 10762.656, "text": "Um, we'll go to Councilor— I'm going to close the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1811", "start": 10763.122, "end": 10767.147, "text": "It's going to go Councilor Clark, Zimmerman, Ryan, and then myself, and then we will wrap.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1812", "start": 10767.228, "end": 10769.907, "text": "I do know we have about 5 minutes left, so please keep it brief if you can.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1813", "start": 10769.971, "end": 10772.878, "text": "But I know 2 of you have not spoken yet, so Councilor Clark, take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1814", "start": 10773.877, "end": 10775.706, "text": "Uh, thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1815", "start": 10776.063, "end": 10778.653, "text": "Um, I actually— I think it's been a good discussion.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1816", "start": 10778.815, "end": 10780.694, "text": "I agree with some things, disagree with others.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1817", "start": 10780.775, "end": 10793.063, "text": "Don't need to get into it, but I was wondering if there's I was wondering if there's an attorney in the room that can tell us exactly what it will take for us to get that declaratory judgment, because I really think we need to do that and get that out of the way.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1818", "start": 10794.026, "end": 10795.873, "text": "Is there somebody who can address that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1819", "start": 10796.274, "end": 10806.037, "text": "So we spoke— the attorneys are not available that fast, but I know that we kind of— the idea behind this is council vibe and initial positioning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1820", "start": 10806.246, "end": 10809.28, "text": "So, and then if there's a proposal to do that, I wasn't—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1821", "start": 10809.28, "end": 10809.537, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1822", "start": 10810.083, "end": 10811.141, "text": "So there's nobody in the room right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1823", "start": 10811.19, "end": 10813.869, "text": "I know your angle might not show it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1824", "start": 10813.997, "end": 10821.585, "text": "Okay, no, I can't, I can't see the room, but I am interested in finding out exactly what that would take because I'm very supportive of that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1825", "start": 10822.82, "end": 10835.589, "text": "I thought that number 4, the incumbent must abstain, is kind of interesting, and I appreciate what Councilor Green said, that you don't want the vice president to be forced to do that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1826", "start": 10835.669, "end": 10836.375, "text": "It really is a sentiment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1827", "start": 10838.545, "end": 10841.086, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1828", "start": 10841.135, "end": 10842.759, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, followed by Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1829", "start": 10843.161, "end": 10843.402, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1830", "start": 10844.898, "end": 10846.346, "text": "Um, thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1831", "start": 10847.407, "end": 10849.022, "text": "This is an interesting document.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1832", "start": 10849.329, "end": 10863.17, "text": "Um, I'm glad that the conversation has gone more serious than I think the document at least first fell in my lap, because penny flipping and asking people to not vote is not something you'll ever see me support.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1833", "start": 10863.332, "end": 10872.964, "text": "I, I find that just incredibly strange and probably a charter violation, to be truthful, to say, hey, one councilor cannot vote because of some of the reasons that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney put out.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1834", "start": 10873.012, "end": 10879.643, "text": "So I'm glad that this conversation is going more serious than I thought the document sounded on initial perusing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1835", "start": 10879.692, "end": 10883.192, "text": "I did not know that so much work had gone into this or that it was even occurring.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1836", "start": 10884.428, "end": 10893.805, "text": "I do want to just say we've had 2 council presidents over 2 years who have had every opportunity available to them to fix this grand question of charter.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1837", "start": 10894.85, "end": 10906.965, "text": "And I want to remind folks that just because a city attorney says one thing, the council president, the presiding officer, is the person who rules.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1838", "start": 10908.346, "end": 10918.34, "text": "And there's really only one time when this would not have applied, and that was the very first time we elected a council president when we had no presiding officer in a true sense.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1839", "start": 10918.405, "end": 10919.835, "text": "But ever since then, we have had a presiding officer.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1840", "start": 10919.883, "end": 10919.995, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1841", "start": 10920.172, "end": 10920.253, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1842", "start": 10920.302, "end": 10922.157, "text": "Officer over every time.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1843", "start": 10922.576, "end": 10927.884, "text": "And the presiding officer is the one who does or doesn't determine whether or not to call the attorney in.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1844", "start": 10928.788, "end": 10935.847, "text": "Now, some folks may have disagreed with that, and they may agree with our attorney's— our city attorney's interpretation of the charter.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1845", "start": 10937.914, "end": 10944.928, "text": "But it would take, I think, a majority, if not a supermajority, to overrule that council president's ruling in that situation.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1846", "start": 10945.522, "end": 10963.686, "text": "So I just want to I just wanted to lift up that aspect of what we're talking about is that I don't know that we even need to go— I mean, we may need to go down this injunction standpoint, and I think Councilor Smith is very right in this, and I will support her all the way to that so that we are following charter.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1847", "start": 10964.744, "end": 10985.102, "text": "A couple of things that are in the meat or the spirit here, Chair, that I guess I just want to address a little bit is I don't adopt and adhere to this idea that the council president I'll be honest, I'm kind of looking for a council president to be somebody who's in the seat for a while if they're doing well.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1848", "start": 10986.34, "end": 10989.768, "text": "I am so looking forward to some sort of stability on this council.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1849", "start": 10990.86, "end": 11000.948, "text": "And this idea that we must automatically switch or that it switches between districts or automatically becomes a vice, those kind of things I don't think actually add stability to a governing body.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1850", "start": 11001.001, "end": 11001.409, "text": "I think it's a good idea.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1851", "start": 11002.384, "end": 11009.725, "text": "I think that that's why we see in many places presidents and speakers of bodies, they stay for a while as long as they've got the support.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1852", "start": 11010.286, "end": 11013.228, "text": "And I want to continue to enable that type of leadership.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1853", "start": 11014.327, "end": 11033.595, "text": "And lastly, I think that what we saw this year was the politicking, and I know politics is a word that we usually use as a curse, but the politicking that it took to get our current council president Council President, uh, it started, but it could have very well started a lot earlier, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1854", "start": 11033.675, "end": 11042.422, "text": "There were obviously deals struck to get certain people roles that then got people votes, and that shouldn't be seen as a bad idea.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1855", "start": 11042.534, "end": 11043.996, "text": "It takes building a coalition.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1856", "start": 11044.221, "end": 11054.654, "text": "It takes talking to the folks who maybe are on the fence about your leadership, but being able to get something out of maybe a committee leadership, a vice presidency, etc., to lend support.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1857", "start": 11054.734, "end": 11058.877, "text": "Those are the types of things that I think actually people, they kind of know exists and should happen.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1858", "start": 11060.273, "end": 11066.343, "text": "That as this body matures, I think we'll see discussion more of.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1859", "start": 11066.471, "end": 11071.015, "text": "There was a little bit of an allusion to like the leadership of council and what it would look like.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1860", "start": 11071.127, "end": 11073.456, "text": "And I'll just show my cards, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1861", "start": 11073.504, "end": 11088.821, "text": "I'm looking for somebody who will talk about how they plan to set up our committees so that we're not in back-to-back 3-hour meetings I'm looking to see somebody who's going to talk about how they are going to utilize the council so that when the council shows up, they are showing up the best they can.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1862", "start": 11089.56, "end": 11098.504, "text": "And as wonderful as I think we all might think we are, none of us are our best on hour 6, and yet we structurally have hour 6 happen every single week.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1863", "start": 11099.114, "end": 11104.878, "text": "So those types of things, I, I, I am, I am not inclined actually to change anything about this process.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1864", "start": 11105.071, "end": 11113.465, "text": "I am I am inclined to allow the cream to rise and the best politician who can put forward a good path, a good plan, and build a coalition to rise.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1865", "start": 11114.042, "end": 11119.162, "text": "I just think we are still in the diaper phase, frankly, with figuring this out, and it's been a little rocky.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1866", "start": 11119.916, "end": 11121.794, "text": "But, uh, that's where I'm at.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1867", "start": 11121.922, "end": 11130.38, "text": "I, I, again, I want to say the document didn't land great on me, but your guys' discussion in there and listening has been helpful, and I do appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1868", "start": 11131.135, "end": 11133.577, "text": "Um, And it tells me kind of where some of the motivations are.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1869", "start": 11133.641, "end": 11137.385, "text": "I just think we come from very different motivations, and so I do respect those positions.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1870", "start": 11138.285, "end": 11139.297, "text": "And thank you for the chat.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1871", "start": 11139.458, "end": 11142.061, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1872", "start": 11142.141, "end": 11145.275, "text": "I know we're just over time, so Councilor Ryan briefly, and then I'll close this out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1873", "start": 11145.371, "end": 11146.448, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1874", "start": 11146.512, "end": 11150.192, "text": "This is kind of like a throat-clearing work session on this topic.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1875", "start": 11151.3, "end": 11154.177, "text": "I would say I'm still at number 1, adding number 2.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1876", "start": 11154.916, "end": 11159.959, "text": "I'm fine with a work session, no to a yes to cooling off.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1877", "start": 11160.008, "end": 11163.556, "text": "And I think working that out in a work session might be one reason to have one.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1878", "start": 11164.873, "end": 11169.561, "text": "If we remain deadlocked, I think the incumbent should remain so we can do city's business.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1879", "start": 11171.055, "end": 11182.471, "text": "And just since I had audible rejections to adding a 13th member, I need to say that I could see it if we were going to trim from 3 to 2 from each district, and then I think the public might be for it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1880", "start": 11182.519, "end": 11182.615, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1881", "start": 11183.296, "end": 11184.806, "text": "I'm listening to the public out there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1882", "start": 11184.854, "end": 11188.389, "text": "I haven't heard anyone that wants us to add more seats, so I'll rest there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1883", "start": 11188.839, "end": 11190.735, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1884", "start": 11190.799, "end": 11193.18, "text": "I'll just say one comment before we close it out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1885", "start": 11194.021, "end": 11201.329, "text": "For me, the underlying goal is to build public trust in the system and earn it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1886", "start": 11201.928, "end": 11211.134, "text": "And I think that involves at a minimum ending it on the same day, the same calendar day, not day as defined by recessing yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1887", "start": 11211.647, "end": 11217.37, "text": "The, you know, before we leave the chamber permanently to go home, it is resolved.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1888", "start": 11217.739, "end": 11229.713, "text": "Uh, and so that to me is a core underlying feature of it and my reason for, um, opposing the, the recesses cooling off, remaining the, you know, keeping the council present in place for some period of time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1889", "start": 11229.841, "end": 11231.636, "text": "And so I think it's our job to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1890", "start": 11231.684, "end": 11235.612, "text": "I think we were elected to do it, and I want to make sure that that is something that we're required to do as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1891", "start": 11236.413, "end": 11242.59, "text": "Um, we're going to revisit this It is currently tentatively scheduled to come back as a discussion item on November 5th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1892", "start": 11242.783, "end": 11246.695, "text": "There's a lot of items in the November 5th and 12th place, so we may not get to all of those.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1893", "start": 11247.05, "end": 11249.627, "text": "I welcome any feedback on that as we get closer to that date.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1894", "start": 11249.772, "end": 11251.253, "text": "The time is now 5:03.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1895", "start": 11251.318, "end": 11253.75, "text": "We do have a council meeting this evening at 6:00.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1896", "start": 11254.136, "end": 11257.264, "text": "And so with that, this meeting of the Committee of the Whole is adjourned.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1897", "start": 11257.363, "end": 11257.643, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1898", "start": 11257.956, "end": 11258.714, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" } ] }