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<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Novick, this is Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm online.

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<v Loretta Smith>Can you hear me, Councilor Novick?

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<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Novick, I'm online.

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<v Kaya Sand>This is Councilor Smith.

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<v Bob Day>I like the hamburger, but we're going to have this one.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm online.

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<v Steve Novick>Good morning.

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<v Steve Novick>I call this meeting of the Tuesday, October 20th, 2026, 9:30 AM meeting of the Committee and Public Safety Committee to order.

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<v Steve Novick>Could the clerk please call the roll?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Good morning.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Steve Novick>Uh, could we please hear the statement of conduct?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Welcome to the meeting of Community and Public Safety Committee.

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<v Unidentified speaker>For public testimony during a day's meeting, individuals may testify for 90 seconds unless the chair states otherwise.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The chair preserves order.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Keelan McClymont>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Keelan McClymont>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Keelan McClymont>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Before we begin, I'd just like to take a minute.

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<v Steve Novick>All of our hearts go out to the victims' families and everybody in the community of Bend.

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<v Steve Novick>And this is at least the second multiple murder by gun in Oregon in the past 2 months.

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<v Steve Novick>2 months ago, 5 people were shot and killed in Forest Grove, including 3 visiting Portlanders.

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<v Steve Novick>And I know that all of us here believe in measures to reduce the number of tragedies, that we probably all are hoping that Measure 114 is upheld in court.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, I, you know, am pleased that the Portland Police have increased their use of the red flag law.

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<v Steve Novick>I have this obsession with smart guns.

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<v Steve Novick>But although reducing the number of gun tragedies is important, remember, Albert Camus said that we may not be able to make this into a world where children are not tortured, but we can reduce the number of tortured children.

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<v Steve Novick>I wish that this was a country where it was simply a lot harder to get a gun.

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<v Steve Novick>And I'd like to ask for about 20 seconds of silence.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Our first order of business is the approval of the Community and Public Safety Committee meeting minutes from September 1st, 2026 through September 15th, 2026.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, but this is approved by unanimous consent if there are no objections.

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<v Steve Novick>The minutes are approved.

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<v Steve Novick>Uh, could the clerk please read the first item?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item number 2, document number 2026-379, Portland Street Response Committee report presentation.

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<v Steve Novick>Committee, come on down.

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<v Steve Novick>You may begin.

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<v Kaya Sand>Good morning, I'm Kaya Sand, and I am the co-chair of the Portland Street Response Advisory Committee.

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<v Kaya Sand>And Beatrix, do you want to introduce yourself too?

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<v Beatrix Lee>Uh, good morning, councilors.

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<v Beatrix Lee>I'm Beatrix Lee, uh, PSR Advisory Committee member.

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<v Kaya Sand>And Beatrix is going to put the slides up.

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<v Kaya Sand>Do you all see that okay?

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<v Kaya Sand>Yes.

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<v Kaya Sand>Okay, great.

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<v Kaya Sand>Well, um, thank you to the members of the Community and Public Safety Committee Subcommittee, um, in particular, uh, Chair Novick and Vice Chair Murillo, as well as Councilors Kanal, Smith, and Zimmerman thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

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<v Kaya Sand>We have been working on our recommendations as a committee since January, so we're really pleased to submit to you this report of 8 recommendations.

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<v Kaya Sand>And our committee has been composed of a number of areas of expertise, people with lived experience of homelessness and mental illness, substance use disorder, people with expertise in medical emergency emergency medical service, um, in community health, peer support, policy advocacy, crisis program evaluation, national knowledge of these programs and their history, etc.

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<v Kaya Sand>And we've approached all of this work really recognizing that this has been a program, Portland Street Response, that people in the city of Portland have built.

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<v Kaya Sand>There's a real mandate for this program, as well as the fact that Council established the resolution in June of 2025 to create this committee, and then in December of 2026 or 2025 to, um, to create the— to, um, appoint the, the members of the committee.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I think one of the things I'll just emphasize is that as we look at some structural issues We, even though we're sort of inside looking at the bureaucracy, we are always looking at this as community members who really believe that public safety is something that should be transparent and comprehensible to residents of this city.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so that guides our approaches.

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<v Kaya Sand>So do you wanna go ahead and, oh, this is, let me, sorry, we could just go back for a second.

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<v Kaya Sand>You can see the members of the committee, and I'll just reiterate here what was in the resolution that we were appointed to formally advise City Council on issues related to Portland Street Response and advise on proposed changes to city code related to Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>So the actual draft of that code is in the appendix of the report that, uh, we submitted today.

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<v Kaya Sand>So today we'll go over our, um, just as the background of our committee and then our recommendations and then take questions for you— from you.

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<v Kaya Sand>And there's when we were first appointed.

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<v Kaya Sand>It's not our group in entirety, but it's some of us.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then we also wanted to indicate a number of different people that have testified, given feedback.

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<v Kaya Sand>So it's been a really extensive process.

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<v Kaya Sand>And in fact, all the offices of, of the councilors on this subcommittee gave us feedback, which we are thank you.

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<v Kaya Sand>We also dug into a lot of reports, a lot of research in this area, and most of this research you can find through our report if you too want to dig in deeply.

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<v Kaya Sand>And we wanted to just point out that even though this is a new movement, there are a number of really extensive efforts around the nation in academic institutions now to support this work, including at Georgetown Law, University of Chicago, NYU, and Harvard.

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<v Kaya Sand>And Harvard in particular has been supporting Portland's program.

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<v Kaya Sand>So we wanted to make sure that as we're talking about ways in which we want this work to be legible to the larger nation, we're really aware of the fact that it's important— Portland— it's important for Portland to take part in this work.

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<v Kaya Sand>In 2020, well, 2019, when City Council first voted Portland Street Response in, Portland Street Response was following CAHOOTS, which was then in Eugene, now it's just in Springfield, and that was established in 1989.

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<v Kaya Sand>But other than that, there was Denver STAR and there was Olympia CRU, and that was it.

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<v Kaya Sand>So now look at this map.

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<v Kaya Sand>This is quite extraordinary.

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<v Kaya Sand>There's over 120 mobile crisis programs across the United States.

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<v Kaya Sand>And I wanna make sure that I explain that there are many, many more mobile programs for mental health, but the way that we define it for this report and for the city is ones that are dispatched by 911.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that's where CAHOOTS was really the outlier.

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<v Kaya Sand>There were other programs besides CAHOOTS during that time.

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<v Kaya Sand>So, Even though we were sort of one of the first, we're definitely now part of a crowded field where there's a lot of opportunities to share.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so we have 8 recommendations to designate PSR within a distinct bureau, to codify it as a non-enforcement model, to support expansion and organization of call types, To expand it 24/7.

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<v Kaya Sand>To develop— to continue to develop the training academy budget for recruitment, retention, wellness of PSR staff.

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<v Kaya Sand>Expand outreach and communications for community engagement.

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<v Kaya Sand>And codify this committee, which otherwise would expire with this report.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then in the appendix, as I mentioned before, are our suggested code changes.

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<v Kaya Sand>So number 1, designate Portland Street Response within a distinct bureau.

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<v Kaya Sand>And this is, um, one of the recommendations as part of a code change.

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<v Kaya Sand>This is code— the code change— the code— city code should be changed so that PSR is housed in a new bureau along with Gun Violence Reduction Strategy and the Office of Violence Prevention, creating a co-equal branch of the first response system and led by a director or equivalent.

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<v Kaya Sand>Position.

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<v Kaya Sand>Committee recommends naming the bureau Portland CARES.

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<v Kaya Sand>And, um, you can see there the acronym: Crisis Engagement Assistance Response Engagement Strategy.

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<v Kaya Sand>And, um, one of the things nationwide is that this movement is often described as community safety.

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<v Kaya Sand>Um, the other most common way to describe it is using various acronyms or the word itself, CARES.

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<v Kaya Sand>And we think it is really important to have this kind of public safety, community safety, legible across the nation.

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<v Kaya Sand>In other words, people can move from city to city and start to recognize that this is a new form of, and widespread form of, community safety.

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<v Kaya Sand>So the programs that we recommend going into this new bureau are really thank you.

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<v Kaya Sand>So we wanted to bring together 2 really common programs across the nation to be grouped together, and they're already grouped together.

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<v Kaya Sand>So we just wanted to show that within the current organization chart, we are simply recommending that community safety be turned into a bureau and recommending the name Portland Cares.

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<v Kaya Sand>Our committee had some fun as we thought about this and really looked at the kind of echoing as a co-equal branch, which City Council resolved helped to create in June 2025, that in Portland to have a co-equal branch is to create a bureau.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so Portland Fire and Rescue, Portland Police, and Portland CARES being co-equal.

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<v Kaya Sand>That said, the other bureaus under the public safety service area, the emergency management and emergency communications, are also bureaus.

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<v Kaya Sand>So right now, community safety has been kind of a grouped together bunch of programs under a division called Community Safety.

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<v Kaya Sand>We want that to be stronger and to last.

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<v Kaya Sand>This is a way of, I think, also being comprehensible and showing and creating trust in our city that this is something that our city considers a key part of public safety, that these different branches can work together.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that it's going to last, that it's not going to disappear.

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<v Kaya Sand>It's a really important part of this work.

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<v Kaya Sand>So this idea of the co-equal branch is not new.

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<v Kaya Sand>And Albuquerque, New Mexico created the Community Safety Department to be co-equal with its police and fire.

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<v Kaya Sand>They actually started that in 2020, June.

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<v Kaya Sand>As you'll note, most of these programs started 2020 and later.

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<v Kaya Sand>And they decided that they did not want to start with a pilot.

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<v Kaya Sand>So in other words, they created a structure before they started to build out the programs.

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<v Kaya Sand>So it's always been a co-equal branch, and it's quite extensive at this point.

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<v Kaya Sand>They have built a trauma center.

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<v Kaya Sand>They have built their— they have included in it their violence prevention programs, as we're recommending, their substance use support for overdose survivors.

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<v Kaya Sand>Thank you.

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<v Kaya Sand>And people who use drugs.

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<v Kaya Sand>They have hospital-based support for victims of violence crime, and they have school and youth-focused programs, which a number of the cities also offer.

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<v Kaya Sand>Durham, North Carolina was the next one to create a co-equal branch.

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<v Kaya Sand>You know, I wasn't aware until doing this research how unusual Portland is to have a bureau system.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so most of them are called departments or divisions.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so North Carolina, their first response that's equal to Portland Street Response is called HEART.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then they have a number of other related programs, Office of Survival Care— Survivor Care, the care navigation that follows up with people that's really similar to what Portland Street Response's aftercare program is.

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<v Kaya Sand>They have programs for people released from incarceration.

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<v Kaya Sand>They have a familiar neighbors program for people that are frequent 911 callers, which is something that I know Portland has been digging into.

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<v Kaya Sand>So those are really extensive programs.

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<v Kaya Sand>And I'll say that one of the things that we've really looked at, and as a kind of logic that this is not something that we should be throwing every program into, is that the first response program, in this case Portland Street Response, is the center of the bureau.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then the programs are they're upstream and downstream from that first response.

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<v Kaya Sand>They're trying to prevent the need for the first response, or they're following up from the first response.

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<v Kaya Sand>And to make an analogy in our city, that would be like the fire marshal in Portland Fire and Rescue that's preventing the fires, or it's like the detective in the police bureau that's following up on the first response.

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<v Kaya Sand>So that's how these programs are organized.

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<v Kaya Sand>Thank you.

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<v Kaya Sand>There's another— there's some others that have set up co-equal branches structurally.

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<v Kaya Sand>Seattle has CARE, which is primarily at this point its 911 system, which is interestingly under it, as well as its crisis responders.

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<v Kaya Sand>Northampton, Massachusetts has a division of community care.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then some like New York City that in a sense, like Albuquerque, aspire to that yeah.

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<v Kaya Sand>Co-equal structure from the get-go, but they haven't yet built it out.

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<v Kaya Sand>A couple others worth just pointing out are Toronto, Ontario, which has a lot of programs under its community safety and wellbeing, including its citywide crisis 911 dispatch crisis response.

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<v Kaya Sand>One thing worth pointing out with Toronto is they have a First Nations response team that's for the entire city.

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<v Kaya Sand>So they have really prioritized one population that is really disproportionately impacted.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then Rochester, New York, I think is another one that's really helpful to point out.

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<v Kaya Sand>Crisis Intervention Services is the larger department and the crisis response fits under that.

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<v Kaya Sand>They also really focus on homicide response.

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<v Kaya Sand>So they show up for families of homicide.

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<v Kaya Sand>Thank you.

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<v Kaya Sand>And essentially, because their crisis team focuses on care, they're able to attend to the family while the police do the investigation.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then they continue to follow up with those families.

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<v Kaya Sand>So you can see in different cities, I'll mention Dayton later, there's, you know, different strengths that cities have where they bring to these co-equal branches.

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<v Kaya Sand>But there's a whole lot to share and learn as we build out this bureau.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so number 2 is to codify Portland Street Response as a non-enforcement model.

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<v Kaya Sand>And this is a very important piece of Portland Street Response and of all of these models.

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<v Kaya Sand>These are all non-enforcement models because they need to have a clear mission, and the people for whom they are serving need to understand that mission and to make sure that it doesn't get murky.

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<v Kaya Sand>I will say this is this is in a lot of ways trying to remedy a design problem in the sense that we have a 911 system that since it was created in 1968 has shunted programs or shunted issues that come to 911 to the police where they just don't have, they haven't had the correct responder.

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<v Kaya Sand>This has been a real, this has been a huge reason why the police have grown and really had to deal with lot of things that aren't part of their mission.

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<v Kaya Sand>So it's a corrective to that.

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<v Kaya Sand>So, you know, there have been a number of correctives along the way, and a certain amount of them have been inside the police, like crisis intervention training in 1983, and then in the 1990s, the co-response model.

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<v Kaya Sand>But those are all police-based responses.

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<v Kaya Sand>This is about creating a different kind of response and I want to emphasize how important that is because actually its efficacy is based in it being a non-enforcement model.

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<v Kaya Sand>People have choice.

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<v Kaya Sand>They—.

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<v Kaya Sand>The responders are able to approach people with calm.

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<v Kaya Sand>They don't overwhelm people.

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<v Kaya Sand>So it's kind of, in some ways, it's like the inverse, right, of a kind of domination style.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yeah.

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<v Kaya Sand>Of first response.

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<v Kaya Sand>So that's why it's very important to keep this as non-enforcement.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so I'm not going to go into this, but this is from a Georgetown report, and I just thought it'd be interesting just to point out, and it's referenced in our, in our report.

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<v Kaya Sand>But essentially, when I was mentioning before, mobile crisis itself has been around longer But this is called various things, Portland Street Response, nationally Alternative Response, Community Response, Community First Response, on and on, Community Crisis Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>But that model is different than the mobile crisis because it is dispatched from 911, and it takes— it tends to take a larger variety of calls that we'll get into than the more traditional mobile crisis that's a behavioral health the co-response is a really different model.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I'm just emphasizing that again, generally dispatched by 911, but it is a police-driven model.

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<v Beatrix Lee>A bit of a housekeeping item.

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<v Beatrix Lee>The report should be viewable through the report for anyone in this meeting.

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<v Kaya Sand>And okay, this 3rd recommendation is a recommendation It's a little bit of a nesting doll that there are some different pieces to it, but support expansion and organization of call types.

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<v Kaya Sand>So the first part of this is taking that report that this subcommittee received in June that came from the second stage of the call reallocation study, and this is to expand welfare checks.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that report recommended a number of calls to go to Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>Portland Police responds to about 23,000 welfare checks per year.

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<v Kaya Sand>An estimated 14,000, or 61% of these calls, can be transferred to Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>It's a tremendous amount, and this really has to do with location.

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<v Kaya Sand>Expanding the kinds of locations so that people on bicycles, people in parked cars, people in private residences.

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<v Kaya Sand>So it's really just a small amount that is held with the police that in this report, you know, the violent crimes, the in traffic, cars in traffic.

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<v Kaya Sand>And we also advocate then that City Council continue to extend call reallocation studies.

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<v Kaya Sand>Councilor Novick had added as a budget note to extend that one for the welfare checks.

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<v Kaya Sand>We think that there's a lot more the city of Portland can learn from the rest of the nation.

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<v Kaya Sand>Dayton, Ohio has a very innovative model called field mediation, and there's a lot of tools now to be able to do this.

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<v Kaya Sand>Councilor they estimate about 20% of these calls to 911 can be picked up in this way.

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<v Kaya Sand>In other words, these are relationship problems.

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<v Kaya Sand>So neighborhood trouble, noise complaints, peace order requests, disorderly subject, juvenile calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>They actually classify all juvenile calls under this.

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<v Kaya Sand>Welfare checks, barking animals, a barking dog and then animal, roommate trouble.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then we also recommend that Portland look at whether it wants to expand yes.

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<v Kaya Sand>That a lot of cities do this.

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<v Kaya Sand>So there's countless models to look at.

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<v Kaya Sand>And with this then, of course, we need to prioritize always PSR and BOIC staffing, training, equipment for expansions.

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<v Kaya Sand>So just the welfare check report alone would double the amount of calls that PSR responds to.

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<v Kaya Sand>And there's a roadmap in that plan to do that.

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<v Kaya Sand>We recognize though, or we want to really emphasize, these calls have to be responded to by someone.

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<v Kaya Sand>So where it's an expansion of PSR, it's just meeting the calls with the appropriate responder.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then with BOEC, it's very important always that we look at how Boeck can support all of its first responders.

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<v Kaya Sand>December 1st, Boeck will start having a Portland Street Response dispatcher.

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<v Kaya Sand>So this is a big shift, and I'm happy to geek out on that as much as anyone wants.

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<v Kaya Sand>But right now they have that budgeted.

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<v Kaya Sand>But I think it's really important as you look at Boeck call response times, which have gone down in, in our recent times, that it is one system, whether it's fire, PSR, or police.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so the training, staffing, and equipment to meet those needs is always really important.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then this is getting a little bit into the weeds, but this is, I think, a very important piece.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that is that PSR calls are coded differently than they were or would be if they're police calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>Right.

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<v Kaya Sand>So since from February 2021 to September 2026, PSR codes calls were coded PSR, and now they're starting October 1st, there's 6 call types.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then according to that welfare check, there could be a 7th recommended.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so what we really advocate is that, that there is an operational way to be tracking these calls So that we know what they would be if the police responded instead of PSR.

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<v Kaya Sand>Would they be an unwanted person call, a welfare check, a disorder call?

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<v Kaya Sand>So I'll explain a little bit why this is so important.

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<v Kaya Sand>One of them, I'm actually going to go to the report from June that the police bureau issued about its recruitment goals.

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<v Kaya Sand>And one of the things in that report that they discuss is that their own labor and their ability to meet other calls can be supported should there be diversion to Portland Street Response and other programs.

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<v Kaya Sand>So this frees up— when the police are talking about their recruitment issues, this frees them up for those higher acuity calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>Now, that kind of diversion is really important locally and nationally.

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<v Kaya Sand>In other words, people in this city really care about Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>We all need to know what's going on with our public safety system.

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<v Kaya Sand>We need to know what kind of calls are diverted from police to Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>So this needs to be tracked in a way where researchers don't have to laboriously crunch data and read through call types as they've had to do so far.

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<v Kaya Sand>And this is a way we can actually participate nationally.

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<v Kaya Sand>A number of other cities do this more.

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<v Kaya Sand>So, you know, this from Georgetown, one of the institutes I mentioned that really emphasized emphasizes or really studies this work.

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<v Kaya Sand>Diversion rates, the percentage of calls shifted away from law enforcement toward community safety responders, have therefore emerged as one of the clearest indicators of whether a jurisdiction is meaningfully operationalizing alternative response.

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<v Kaya Sand>And I have here one of the big projects is actually New York University.

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<v Kaya Sand>They're doing a 12 million calls initiative based on the idea that Minnesota— excuse me, Minneapolis put forward of having 20% of its police calls diverted to its alternative response crisis response program.

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<v Kaya Sand>If the 100 largest cities do that, which would include Portland, that would be 12 million calls a year.

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<v Kaya Sand>Portland only can participate in that if we track our data better.

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<v Kaya Sand>Expand PSR 24/7.

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<v Kaya Sand>As with the co-equal branch, Council already resolved to do this, so it's just a matter of making it happen.

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<v Kaya Sand>I do want to point out that our staff has created an expansion plan.

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<v Kaya Sand>April Roa, who's here today, while she was interim manager, and now we have Ebony Morgan as our program manager.

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<v Kaya Sand>If you haven't met Ebony, and she's here today, I really encourage you to do so because yes.

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<v Kaya Sand>I really think that Ebony brings us into the next era with Portland Street Response.

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<v Kaya Sand>She not only comes from sort of managing the cornerstone of programs, CAHOOTS, but then she moved to create a program in the city of Los Angeles, and that program that she created is 24/7.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I wanted to make sure that we all know that we really have someone in that position that knows how to make this happen.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so I think we have a all the pieces in line, and we just, you know, look at— look to Eboni to update the expansion plan, and we want council to support that work.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And a word on the 24/7 expansion.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Currently, PSR responds from 6:00 AM to midnight every day of the week, so it would just be to cover 24/7 and kind of proportional staffing to the volume of calls.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So the next recommendation, we're at 5, is for the city to develop, to continue to develop the Portland Street Response Training Academy.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So the heart of this recommendation is really so that we can equip PSR staff to have all the required, the recommended training to be able to respond to the crises that we see on the streets.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And so currently we have a training academy built through the relationship with Portland State University School of Social Work.

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<v Beatrix Lee>But we are— this recommendation is just to really build out this program.

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<v Beatrix Lee>A strong training academy will work to reduce barriers that might discourage strong applicants from applying.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Looking at this model is also kind of where we're taking a look at the Portland Police Bureau and the Portland Fire and Rescue paid education programs.

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<v Beatrix Lee>There's also extensive academies that are kind of inspired by other cities.

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<v Beatrix Lee>That can be found in this report.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So in this training academy, it's really to build out, you know, bodies of knowledge and tools around public health, first response, mental health crisis expertise, and community health and peer work.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So yeah, we recommend that the training academy can continue to be built out as advised by our program manager.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Thank you.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So the next, the next recommendation is to expand outreach and communications for community engagement.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So cities should budget for culturally responsive multilingual outreach for community education and engagement about PSR.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So, you know, in speaking to just kind of everyday Portlanders, Folks may, you know, have questions around what PSR does and does not do.

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<v Beatrix Lee>They may have hesitations to call 911 for various reasons.

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<v Beatrix Lee>But we really want to build opportunities, outreach, you know, have tabling community events and listening sessions on really empowering and equipping Portlanders to have more confidence, reassurance, and make informed decisions with calling Portland Street Response.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And, you know, fun posters and ads and all of the social media communications can really just help build out public education around PSR.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So with this next recommendation, city to budget recruitment, retention, and wellness of PSR staff, we really just want to make sure we're paying attention to the The wellness and the collective care of staff.

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<v Beatrix Lee>As we know, with this kind of frontline crisis response work, we see a lot of symptoms of secondary trauma and burnout among our crisis responders.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So making sure that we are taking the measures to really consider rest, recovery, and staff wellness, and to make sure that our responders feel like Like they, um, they're, they're just cared for in, in a myriad of ways.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Um, and it goes also into, uh, some recruitment so that it really makes, um, the, the process, the hiring process equitable, um, and accessible for applicants who, um, yeah, would just be great, um, applicants, but maybe there are some, um, financial barriers there.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Um, finally, if I'm, um, if I miss anything, Kaya, Please tap in for this last recommendation here.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So the city leadership should codify and make permanent Portland Shoot Response Community Advisory Committee.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So this committee that we are presently on has been for about 6 months, and so it would sunset.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So we would want to make sure that there is a permanent committee that can make sure That, you know, with these recommendations, gathering community input, being a bridge between PSR staff and community members, that that body of a committee, yeah, stays with us.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So yeah, in the recommendation, it goes into who comprises of the committee members.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So experts in behavioral health, mental health, mobile crisis services, Yes.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So it would include providing resources to those with lived experience and relationship with and represent impacted communities and clients of PSR.

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<v Beatrix Lee>Goes into staffing, stipend, and onboarding.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So it would look like our advisory committee currently help onboard new members.

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<v Beatrix Lee>A report would be published through this committee annually and support with communications and outreach.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And then there's, it just kind of details the tasks that we would like to see and just kind of, yeah, our vision for this committee.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yeah, I'll just add that one of the things we've learned through this process is, first of all, just how important it is that we really figure out how to include people with lived experience in a meaningful way.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that includes how people are appointed onto the committee.

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<v Kaya Sand>So that if someone— we're recommending that at least one, that we represent all 4 districts, but also recognizing that homelessness and housing, um, are unstable and that people are moved and placed into different spaces, including outside of Portland.

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<v Kaya Sand>So really making sure that we can have, um, a, a insight for this committee into how to include people for whom their lives are less stable and it's difficult to come into city spaces.

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<v Kaya Sand>So with that in mind, we have recommended that the committee meet at least 4 times a year in— and, and once in each of the districts in a space where people who are impacted by Portland Street Response easily would go to.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so that we're really supporting the program and the bureau with this deep connection to the community so that they can also bring policy ideas to and get feedback and really maintain that meaningful back and forth, right, that has been a part of this program since the beginning because it gen— it was generated within, um, the city itself.

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<v Kaya Sand>So, um, I think that's, that's all I would add to that.

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<v Kaya Sand>And then at the end of our report, we have our City code recommendations.

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<v Kaya Sand>So recommendations 1, 2, and 8 are really the ones that are in city code, and that is to create the bureau, to codify Portland Street Response as non-enforcement, and to create this community advisory committee.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I know some of this might seem repetitive because you already voted for a resolution that did most of this, not the bureau, Except you did resolve to create a coequal branch.

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<v Kaya Sand>But this is about getting it into city code through an ordinance.

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<v Kaya Sand>So we recommend that council use our draft code toward bringing an ordinance forward.

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<v Kaya Sand>With our other resolutions, they are city council driven, such as the call reallocation work.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yes.

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<v Kaya Sand>And also budget-driven.

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<v Kaya Sand>And we think we have— there's a really strong bureau and program staff who have been incredibly helpful to us.

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<v Kaya Sand>So we do really encourage City Council to support them in making the bureau and the program as strong as possible.

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<v Kaya Sand>So now we can turn to questions.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you so much.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much, PSR, for coming and giving us all this valuable information.

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<v Loretta Smith>And you all came and presented at my Coffee with the Cop and Community that I do every month, and it was really valuable to let people know what exactly PSR did.

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<v Loretta Smith>One of the questions I wanted to ask of you, because we added, I think, I think the Portland Solutions, um, we added a homeless bureau, I believe, a couple years ago, and I'm wondering, have you all ever thought about the correlation between homelessness and PSR and maybe being added to the Portland Solutions Bureau?

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<v Kaya Sand>Thank you so much, Councilor Smith.

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<v Kaya Sand>Um, and I, I will add, we have staff here if they want to join for any of these Thank you for those questions.

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<v Kaya Sand>So, you know, cities across the nation started for different reasons.

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<v Kaya Sand>There was a kind of convergence of motivations, and in some ways homelessness was a driving factor in Portland because over half of all the arrests in 2017, '18, '19 were of unhoused people.

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<v Kaya Sand>Right.

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<v Kaya Sand>And as, as that issue got untangled, we saw that a lot of them were these kind of disorder calls, unwanted wanted person calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>So there is a connection, but that is not the entire program.

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<v Kaya Sand>Um, it is that people are in public spaces and, um, and have a lack of services.

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<v Kaya Sand>So other programs have started because of, um, of the disproportionate impact on people with mental illness, folks of color, And so all of this comes together, and then we have, as I was describing in Dayton, the kind of relationship issues that drive so many 911 calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I say that to say that I think that it would be dangerous to take one identity or population and pull it out of a community safety, a public safety structure.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that is, it's, it's a, I think, a more Portland Yeah, and since—.

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<v Loretta Smith>Right, exactly.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I think that, you know, Portland Solutions, um, it, it involves a number of things.

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<v Loretta Smith>The, the, the thing that I worry about is that I, I didn't see a number on how much this expansion would cost.

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<v Loretta Smith>Did you have a number?

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<v Kaya Sand>We do, and we have, uh, someone who has been working hard on that, um, Director Stephanie Howard Good morning, Councilor.

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<v Stephanie Howard>For the record, my name is Stephanie Howard.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I'm the Director of Community Safety Programs for the city's Public Safety Service Area.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And to your question, Councilor, yes, I've been working with the budget team to identify costs associated with these recommendations.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Largely, the recommendations are to maintain the existing structure, but there are 3 potential areas where there would be additional costs.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Okay.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So the first would be if this is a bureau and a director were appointed or, you know, put in that position to lead the bureau, there would be a reclassification of the position I'm currently in, which is a Manager 2 right now, to a Director 1.

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<v Stephanie Howard>That estimated cost would be $36,000 annually.

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<v Stephanie Howard>There would be a reclassification for equity purposes among some of the leadership level of the programs under this bureau.

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<v Stephanie Howard>For the ceasefire program, for OVP and Portland Street Response, we would reclassify one of those positions to be an equal level, a Manager 1, and that would be a $30,000 annual cost.

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<v Loretta Smith>And then— Do you have a, like, a big dollar amount of— I don't want you to have to go through all these different classifications and how you would increase them.

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<v Loretta Smith>Do you have a dollar amount?

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<v Loretta Smith>Is it going to cost another $5 million to do this?

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<v Loretta Smith>Another $10 million?

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<v Loretta Smith>Tell me a number, a solid number.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yeah, I can tell you, Councilor, just one more that I just want to say for the record, which is that there, uh, according with this, uh, recommendation, we've asked for the budget, uh, estimates for a 0.5 FTE to help to support the community, if it— or the Community Advisory Committee if it's created.

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<v Stephanie Howard>The total of those is $144,000 per year estimated.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, and, and, and where I'm most concerned Councilor Loretta Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>My concern is we created a new bureau without any numbers.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so I'm worried that as we create new bureaus and new opportunities, I heard so much expansion conversation in the report.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm worried because we had a $170 million deficit for current operating costs.

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<v Loretta Smith>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm wondering where are we going to get this money from.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I'm asking everybody who comes to me for expansions, new programs, tell me what you would take away.

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<v Loretta Smith>What would you take away if we were to bring this program into line?

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<v Loretta Smith>What would you take away out of the city budget?

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<v Loretta Smith>Because I think we need to have this kind of model as a pay-as-you-go model like they do in Congress.

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<v Loretta Smith>If you're If you're going to bring something forward, you've got to take something away.

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<v Loretta Smith>So do you have any ideas on what you would take away from our city budget to bring this in?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Councilor, I'll step in on that question right there.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We haven't reached that point yet of doing any deliberations as it relates to what we would take out.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think we'll go through a prioritization kind of conversation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>As executive arm to kind of talk through if this is the direction that council is wanting to move forward as it relates to what could we offer up as it relates to services or funding or reallocating things to make this doable.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But this is, and I'm with you on this, this will require some additional funding to make happen.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But we would have to have a conversation internally about how we would propose to council of us doing that.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I would also, um, CA Lee, like to hear some conversation from the other, uh, public safety organizations because I heard a lot of expansion in the 911 Bureau, um, would need to take place to, to do this in the way that they have presented it.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I'm just, I'm just concerned.

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<v Loretta Smith>I mean, you know, we, we have a lot of people that are in need of services.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>We don't know how we're going to pay for what we have next year, but adding new stuff that worries me.

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<v Loretta Smith>And then it then I have to identify where I want to take away.

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<v Loretta Smith>But I'm not going to keep all that on my shoulders.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm going to ask folks who who are coming in that they want something if they want ongoing money because this sounds like an ongoing program.

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<v Loretta Smith>If you're going to put together a bureau, then they should also have.

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<v Loretta Smith>An opportunity to tell me where they would take it from.

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<v Kaya Sand>And I'll just add, Councilor, and this is not addressing what's being taken away, but I did want to mention with the police recruitment report that you provided me, that that has been really helpful as seeing the public service, the public safety service area as one entity.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so all of these calls are being— need to be responded to by one of the responders.

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<v Kaya Sand>And so So we're actually just looking at the fact that we'd be, for a city, matching the better responder for particular calls.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>I appreciate that.

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<v Loretta Smith>I want you all to give some, some real thought to my question because it is going to be a number of people who will sit in your seat and before us who will ask us for expansion.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I know that people know that we are in a deficit.

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<v Loretta Smith>And, and we, we're going to have to figure out how to get that $170 million back again, and we can't keep replacing it with one-time-only money.

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<v Loretta Smith>And you're asking for ongoing money.

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<v Loretta Smith>So I would also ask you to come back to my office within this next month to give me some ideas on which ongoing programs you would cut as we're looking at this.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think what you have is a, is a good idea.

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<v Loretta Smith>And, um, I think it's helpful, but I also think I need a little bit more assistance with this as well.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, thank you so much to the presenters.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It's really lovely to get to see some of you again.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, Kaya, we worked together since, uh, you know, back in the day when Portland Street Response was first getting started, so it's really lovely to see you in chambers again.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I'm so Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Hi, Councilor Sameer Kanal.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Sorry I can't be there in person.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I'm fighting off a perpetual exhaustion cold.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think something that really stood out to me from your presentation was the discussion that we have often created systems that are putting domination of people at the forefront of how we address their problems, and that Portland Street Response is designed in a different way.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I know that Portland Street Response does mental health crisis But something that it reminded me of was, you know, studying up on drug usage and forced treatment and how a lot of times people who are forced into treatment actually end up overdosing in the treatment centers because they were not prepared or ready to be in treatment.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And we have so many people that are in need of mental health assistance, drug assistance, all sorts of things.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And we don't even have enough resources for those people that are willing to get into treatment.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And yet we are, we're talking about a system of domination.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I just appreciated you saying that.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think that's part of what makes the program unique and special in our system.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that we're gonna, you know, keep running into questions about cost, and those are very fair questions.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think part of our responsibility as a council is that we decide what the trade-offs are and what the priorities are.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that's part of the problem.

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<v Angelita Morillo>We have the most access to the budget, so that's part of our role.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But something that this committee has discussed a lot, and I know Councilor Novick has discussed a lot, is if the 24/7 staffing model is going to help make us Medicaid eligible, because that would also help us pay for the expansion.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Or where— or if you know where we're at at becoming Medicaid eligible, is that still a resource option?

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<v Angelita Morillo>And maybe that's for the presenters or some of the staff in the audience.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, I think that's a great question.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Stephanie Howard again.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I can take that question.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yes, 24/7 operation is currently a requirement for the CAHOOTS Act Medicaid funding, and we are continuing to work towards that.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so that is— that would, depending on what happens with the federal government and how Medicaid is impacted, that would be a source of revenue that we could access.

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<v Steve Novick>So Sorry, Director Harrop, but isn't there a possibility of getting some Medicaid dollars even before— in other kinds of Medicaid dollars than CAHOOTS Act dollars?

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yes, thank you, Councilor Novick.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I'm sorry.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yes, there is.

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<v Stephanie Howard>It is a lower rate and a smaller amount.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So the CAHOOTS Act Medicaid access is the ideal source.

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<v Stephanie Howard>But yes, we are working towards trying to get any access to Medicaid dollars.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So in essence, there might be You know, a situation where we are having to pay something now in order to get to free up dollars from another resource later, which sort of mirrors discussions that we're having for other things that are more luxury-oriented, I would say.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Whereas I think that Portland Street Response is a necessity.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I guess as a councilor, that's sort of how I would weigh some of those different discussions.

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<v Steve Novick>And thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks everybody for being here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, there's obviously a lot of history to PSR, most of which is captured in Resolution 37709, so I won't go too deep there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I did want to just kind of recap.

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<v Sameer Kanal>June 15th last year, we adopted 37709, Support, Protect, and Expand PSR, which created the committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, it had other advisory roles beyond the code, but as you've obviously mentioned, Uh, December 18th, you were all appointed with Resolution 37728.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, 14 members of the 15-member committee were appointed and started meeting this year until last week.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I wanted to mention that to say that last week you adopted your recommendations unanimously.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so Kaya, Jill, and every member of the committee, um, including Caroline, who I know is a member of staff and was a part of the committee as well, Ocean, uh, Stephanie Howard, April Roa, Ebony as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and then I know that you also consulted with, uh, subject matter experts.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think PSEP came, Project Respond came as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So you did the work, and that's really important to recognize.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I've, I've worked in support of advisory bodies, um, at the city on the other side, um, and everybody does the work.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, I don't mean to imply that, that, that some don't, but some do a lot more and go above and beyond.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I really appreciate how much work that you all put into this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I also know that colleagues, particularly Councilors Avalos and Murillo on the first resolution, members of this committee on the hiring, and Councilor Novick, uh, on the second resolution, helped make it, uh, successful, as well as Mayor Wilson, CA Lee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>High-profile short-term advisory groups that make recommendations to council rarely receive unanimity at the end of this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>They rarely achieve that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, more may exist than this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm only aware of 2, the Police Accountability Commission and And so that really deserves celebration and recognition because it requires work to not only get the research done and the recommendations written, but to ensure that everybody's coming along and that their voices are all heard in each and every, you know, hopefully not to the comma level, but at least the word level.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so that's really important.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I looked at your 8 recommendations and just speaking for myself, I'm supportive of all of them.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't think that I need to put any more commentary into 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, or 8, but we'll probably talk about those when we get further.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to dig a little bit into recommendation number 3, because as was pointed out, Councilor Novick has asked about moving welfare checks to better responders to free up police resources multiple times in the past.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And if 60% of those welfare checks which go to police today could go to PSR, that's a huge freeing up of police resources for homicides, robberies, other high acuity calls that really only police are equipped to handle right now.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The call allocation study that was in progress a few years ago was pulled back by Mayor Wheeler in a previous phase out of fear of what it might recommend.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So it's really great to see strong support for that and for continuing expanding that work today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I really wanted to thank CA Lee and Director Howard.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The PSR-specific dispatch is huge, and the coding is really vital as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I wanted to see if you could give us a little bit more information on those 6 call types, just to kind of indicate what changed.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And just for those who may not know, when something goes to police or fire, it's not coded based on the responder, it's coded based on what the type of issue is.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Whereas previous to, I guess, a few days ago, it was coded for PSR just as PSR based on the responder, and that lacked the information that we're about to hear.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm looking forward to learning more.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yeah, I'm happy to take that.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So as you noted, Councilor, there was one single PSR call type for any call that was— that met PSR criteria.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so a call taker at BOEC would take that code it, and then it would go to the PSR queue in order to be responded to.

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<v Stephanie Howard>But the piece that doesn't happen in that process that is now happening, well, that will be happening, is that number one, our supervisors were responsible for managing and reviewing that call log continuously and identifying and triaging the calls based on what they saw.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Because there was only one call type, they had to review every single call to try to identify which team Yes.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Should go and the priority for those calls.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Now, without changing the scope of work, having that singular PSR call type broken into 6, our supervisors are able to much more quickly triage the call and send the responders to the most urgent and help to map that out.

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<v Stephanie Howard>What the dedicated dispatcher will bring in December is that the dispatchers will now both identify the call type and be able to dispatch a PSR team directly instead of having to have our supervisors responsible for reviewing and triaging it.

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<v Stephanie Howard>It will add a lot of support, which is the same way that police and fire also receive support from BOEC.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So we're really, really looking forward to that.

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<v Stephanie Howard>That is a change that has been a long time in the making, and Director Maudsley has been a terrific help for us to get that off the ground and really make our operations more efficient.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I guess, could you— do you have the list of the 6 by any chance?

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<v Sameer Kanal>If not, can you—.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yeah, yeah, I, I do.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I'm sorry.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So yes, so again, it's the same bucket of calls, no change in scope of the PSR-eligible calls, but they've been broken down into a person down and unchecked, which I think is kind of self-explanatory.

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<v Stephanie Howard>There's a well-being call Right now, Portland Street Response can respond indoors in publicly accessible spaces.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So those calls would be categorized under that second well-being check call.

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<v Stephanie Howard>There's a well-being check outside, which is this, you know, similar thing.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And then we have mental health crisis inside, again, in public spaces or outside in, you know, in outside agencies.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And then the 6th call type is the PSR partner agency.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Okay.

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<v Stephanie Howard>So more and more what we've been seeing is even if a call is originally dispatched to a police officer, say, and they get to the call and assess the scene, understand what's going on, and they say this is a better call for Portland Street Response, they can then assign that call type and transfer that call to Portland Street Response to come and respond.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thank you for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That last one, I think in particular, is helpful to have that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

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<v Sameer Kanal>For number 6, I think the question is more for us in the long run about how detailed we want to be in terms of establishing criteria for community engagement standards and integration.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I definitely support everything you said, Beatrix, in terms of the values and goals around it, and I appreciate that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I guess my question on your end is, how integrated would you expect broad engagement to be integrated in terms of PSR and the other parts of the proposed Bureau.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I know we talked about the committee piece and you've recommended a PSR-specific committee, but in terms of the broader engagement, do you have thoughts on that, or is there an expectation of any variety?

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<v Beatrix Lee>So was it the recommendation for like retention and wellness of PSR staff, or is it the community engagement outreach one?

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<v Sameer Kanal>The engagement outreach one.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yeah, you know, one thing I think is really exciting and And we were careful to not be speaking for the other programs because we are advisory to one of the programs.

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<v Kaya Sand>But one thing that's really exciting is the integration.

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<v Kaya Sand>I mean, even now having the East, the new building or the city building that a number of the programs have come together in, is they can start to work together more.

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<v Kaya Sand>But also I look at things like in the Safe Blocks program or in some of the other programs where they have education components and they're educating neighbors.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yes.

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<v Kaya Sand>Well, this is a kind of community safety that helps people de-escalate situations so they don't have to call 911.

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<v Kaya Sand>So you start to see how many partnerships that might be possible by having these programs all connected together.

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<v Kaya Sand>And I— education is one of the ones that stands out the most to me, but I also just think about the ways in which Portland Street Response can be in communication for referring or for receiving information from another program, because we do frame it in that upstream-downstream way.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And part of the outreach and communications can also be driven by the advisory committee.

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<v Beatrix Lee>So within PSR, you know, we would love to see multilingual outreach and communication so that it really reaches our BIPOC and immigrant communities and impacted communities.

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<v Beatrix Lee>But that's just kind of limited to PSR, and we would love to see more of this for all, all programs.

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<v Kaya Sand>I think just adding to what Beatrix said, that mental health crises change over time and, and can have cultural components.

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<v Kaya Sand>When, say, a community comes in from a war-torn region as a refugee population, our city has to adapt and understand cultural components.

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<v Kaya Sand>Um, so we can't have a stagnant program when we're dealing with issues of, of personal crisis like that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then I don't really personally feel like I need more info on number 8, uh, but I did want to ask Kaya if you can just repeat what you said about people with lived experience being appointed.

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<v Kaya Sand>I think council lacked that awareness last December, and I'd love to have us all be educated about that again by Yeah, I mean, there's, there's so many barriers when someone is experiencing homelessness or other kinds of system deprivations, and one of them is stability of address.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I think it's really important for council to understand that if we want to make sure that we open the door to people with lived experience, we, we learn more about what the— what they're up against.

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<v Kaya Sand>People who are homeless homeless clearly have a rotating address.

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<v Kaya Sand>It could be a corner where they have pitched the tent, but they might get swept or they might be moving to another area.

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<v Kaya Sand>So they might move to another shelter, right?

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<v Kaya Sand>So this is a very unstable address.

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<v Kaya Sand>But also when people are getting supportive services with housing, it's the same thing.

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<v Kaya Sand>You know, they don't have a choice in getting put into one neighborhood or another.

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<v Kaya Sand>And when we have a metro-wide housing program, that, that can also mean that they're not even in Portland anymore.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you so much for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll make sure to clip that for someone else later.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll pause here.

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<v Steve Novick>Thanks, Chair Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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<v Steve Novick>I have a few big questions.

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<v Steve Novick>One is you talked about increasing compensation for PSR staff.

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<v Steve Novick>I was wondering if you have sort of information on what comparable staff are being paid by other jurisdictions.

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<v Steve Novick>Are we like below market?

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01:09:23.891 --> 01:09:24.761
<v Steve Novick>Are we above market?

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01:09:24.810 --> 01:09:25.345
<v Steve Novick>Are we at market?

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<v Kaya Sand>That might be something— should we bring in staff for that?

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<v Kaya Sand>I think that our recommendation was on a general level with that, so we aren't digging into— in the 6 months that we've been working on this, we didn't dig into that portion.

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<v Beatrix Lee>In the recommendation, it does have a note advised by the program manager.

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<v Beatrix Lee>And so I— it's kind of just to make sure that folks who have the expertise around this are making that decision.

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<v Steve Novick>On the recommendation to start tracking what PSR calls would've been classified as if they go to police, I think that that's a— that sounds really important.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm just wondering if it would be complicated and expensive to operationalize it.

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<v Steve Novick>Would that mean that like BOEC would have to classify a call 2 different ways?

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<v Kaya Sand>Well, I'm not going to, but I will say BOEC has been doing amazing work with PSR in Scotch taping together things because they've had to use the fire CAD system and radio all along when these calls were primarily calls that were police calls previously.

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<v Kaya Sand>And that has to do with the CGIS requirements.

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<v Kaya Sand>So in other words, they've had to adapt something that is entirely not set up for PSR.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I'm pretty confident that they could do some backend, some backend work on the CAD system.

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<v Kaya Sand>But that's easy for me to say because I'm a community member who doesn't work for BOEC.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And Councilor, I'm happy to look into that, both of those questions, and try to get some information for Council on those issues.

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<v Steve Novick>This is just a comment, not a question, but I was really interested in what you said about Dayton trying to get to 20%.

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<v Steve Novick>I mean, I was kind of surprised when we looked at police calls last year, And the only ones that I, that I could conclude clearly had nothing to do with crime really were the welfare check calls, or about 6%.

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<v Steve Novick>So I'm curious about asking BOEC, like, how many of our calls are barking dogs, neighbor trouble, etc., etc.?

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<v Steve Novick>Um, let's see, another question.

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<v Kaya Sand>Yeah, I look forward to the results.

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<v Steve Novick>Yeah.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, another question I had was, you reference expanded detention, youth crisis something or other.

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<v Steve Novick>Uh, can you elaborate on that?

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<v Kaya Sand>Yeah, a number of cities— Albuquerque, Durham actually has an in-schools program, and they go into schools when there's a crisis that the school feels overwhelmed by.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I don't know beyond that in terms of the work that Portland has done to decide to not take on those calls, but I do know it's widespread across the nation.

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<v Kaya Sand>So our recommendation is just that the city look at it and decide whether or not this is something else that we could take on.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you very much.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much.

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<v Loretta Smith>It's good to see you in person.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, I want to go back to something you, you said, that, um, homeless folks are not our base clientele at PSR.

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<v Loretta Smith>But I remember when I was a county commissioner and I saw that Commissioner Hardisty was, was working on this new innovative program and it was PSR.

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<v Loretta Smith>I was like, that's something that we should be doing because it's about folks who have mental health challenges.

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<v Loretta Smith>And that's what we do at Multnomah County is to do mental health and homelessness.

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01:12:56.902 --> 01:12:58.216
<v Loretta Smith>That's— this is a program we should be paying for.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>But at the time, we didn't have all the shelter money that Multnomah County has today.

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<v Loretta Smith>We had none of that.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so I want us to be clear, as clear-eyed as directors, managers, and people, to understand what our book of business is.

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<v Loretta Smith>And if our book of business is infrastructure, public safety, and what that looks And in regards to your report around youth and crisis, I think we're taking on things that are not our book of business, that we're adding to PSR to make it bigger than what it was originally designed to do.

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<v Loretta Smith>Which I remember it was folks who are homeless, who are on our city streets, that have issues that maybe Maybe our police should not handle, but someone like in PSR should handle those calls.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so for me, I don't want you to begin to dream on this.

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<v Loretta Smith>Mm-hmm.

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<v Loretta Smith>It sounds like a dream because you've put all your dreams that you want PSR to be.

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<v Loretta Smith>And PSR originally was dealing with folks who were homeless, folks who had mental health issues.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I remember having this conversation with my county commissioner And so I want us to be very mindful of this.

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<v Loretta Smith>And the question that I have for you, how are you planning, or how have you evaluated the success of PSR in terms of our return on our investment that we've put in?

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01:14:36.789 --> 01:14:42.166
<v Loretta Smith>What would you say we've accomplished while we've had it?

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<v Loretta Smith>Not the expansion, because I hear your expansion needs and wants, but I need you to tell me what have we accomplished and what have we Um, what have we received for our investment?

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<v Kaya Sand>You know, I, I just was hoping to address the, the origin story because I think our origin story of PSR is a complicated one because it did come from advocacy around homelessness.

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<v Kaya Sand>I was a part of that, and, um, but that is not what PSR is.

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<v Kaya Sand>PSR is part of the public safety, um, service sector and, and responds to anyone in crisis.

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<v Kaya Sand>And as we were talking about with the call types, a lot of these are about diversion so that the police actually are able to take on the higher acuity calls.

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<v Kaya Sand>So with the youth, when you talked about Dreaming, I do want to make sure to emphasize— I think I didn't make clear— that these are calls that police would otherwise respond to.

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<v Kaya Sand>And the reason Dayton decided to focus all of its mediation on youth is that youth issues generally are There's generally someone else, there's generally an adult, and having mediation involved really helps the youth from entering into the carceral system.

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<v Kaya Sand>So I want to make sure that I didn't muddy that as a kind of dream as much as looking at the holistic public safety system.

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<v Kaya Sand>Um, the PSR is about to do an evaluation that you all funded thanks to the 2025-2027 And I'll turn that to Director Howard.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yeah, I'm happy.

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<v Stephanie Howard>We are in the RFP process right now.

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<v Stephanie Howard>The proposals for that evaluation are being evaluated as we speak.

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<v Stephanie Howard>To speak to some of the questions that you have, I can tell you from previous 2 evaluations that have been conducted by Portland State University evaluators, what we have seen in terms of return on services is that our call volume right now is about 14,000 calls a year that would otherwise have been going to the police queue.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And, you know, likely— and I see Chief Day is here, and I would invite him if he feels like joining into the conversation.

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<v Stephanie Howard>But I think the return on investment is not just impacts to the city, it's to the entire community, including the court system, the jail system, and trying to divert those calls out of that system.

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<v Stephanie Howard>That has been a huge payoff, and I'm happy to quantify that.

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<v Loretta Smith>I don't have the Yeah, no, I understand, Stephanie.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much for, um, explaining that.

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01:17:18.948 --> 01:17:30.331
<v Loretta Smith>And, um, I am trying to, uh, figure out from a 30,000-foot level of how to manage this $8.6 billion budget.

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<v Loretta Smith>I know that's not you all's problem.

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01:17:31.631 --> 01:17:33.204
<v Loretta Smith>That's my job that I got elected for.

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<v Loretta Smith>But I have to ask you these questions because I don't want to take on everybody else's job from the courts From this, from the Multnomah County and all these folks.

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<v Loretta Smith>I want to do our book of business and I want to do our book of business well.

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<v Loretta Smith>We are doing a lot of things at the City of Portland that is not a part of our book of business or in our charter.

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<v Loretta Smith>So for me, when I see people, when I hear people say expansion, and they will say small numbers initially, and then that next year they'll come up with a whole bunch of stuff that we didn't realize that we had to have This.

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<v Loretta Smith>So now we need these many dollars for this new bureau.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I don't want to be caught off guard with us bringing new books of business into the city of Portland.

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<v Loretta Smith>I want folks to be able to, um, get the services that you all are offering and have the appropriate people pay for those services.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I think those services should be coming from Multnomah County.

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<v Loretta Smith>Understood.

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01:18:31.134 --> 01:18:33.381
<v Loretta Smith>I think that's, that's where they should be coming from.

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<v Loretta Smith>We have been a really good neighbor and doing additional shelter work, doing additional cleanup work as a result of our commitment to keeping the city clean and safe.

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<v Loretta Smith>But at the end of the day, without our ARPA money— and that's how you all evolved— without our ARPA money, You wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have these services.

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<v Loretta Smith>And it wouldn't— and I'm saying this because Multnomah County would have been forced to actually do this work because they have the money for it.

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<v Loretta Smith>And we don't have that extra $300 million every year to do this.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so when you talk about this, you're talking about homelessness.

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<v Loretta Smith>This is what I hear.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

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<v Loretta Smith>When you talk about PSR, you're talking about mental health needs.

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<v Loretta Smith>Multnomah County is the public health authority.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so my question to you is, have you tried to go to Multnomah County and say, we need to partner with this?

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<v Loretta Smith>Because I don't think the city of Portland can do this alone.

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<v Loretta Smith>I really don't think that we can or that we have the bandwidth to do this alone.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I don't want to give people a false impression by having this report.

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<v Loretta Smith>Just like the police, the Public Safety Service area, they came and brought us a report about what it would— what could we do if we had additional resources.

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<v Loretta Smith>That's how they couched it.

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01:20:06.203 --> 01:20:09.623
<v Loretta Smith>If they had additional resources, where would they spend it?

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01:20:10.377 --> 01:20:12.273
<v Loretta Smith>And you saw the report that the police put out.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

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<v Loretta Smith>You all are coming with a direct ask of an expansion, not if we had XYZ dollars, this is what we can do more.

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<v Loretta Smith>It is like, this is what we want you to do.

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<v Loretta Smith>This is the code we want you to change.

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<v Loretta Smith>And what I'm saying, changing code is, is making our book of business different from what it was.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so until we find a, a stream of funding, I don't know how we do this.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I don't want to, I don't want to get people I don't want to give folks false hope because I can tell you, unless you tell me where you're going to get this money from or where we should take this money from, I'm not putting any more one-time-only monies in an expansion.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm not.

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<v Loretta Smith>I'm not going to go for it.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Your point is well taken, Councilor.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I appreciate it.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And I think just a couple of things to flag.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Number one, our budget was made ongoing last year regardless.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so our— this budget is an ongoing budget.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Number 2, Portland Street Response's calls are all generated from 911.

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<v Stephanie Howard>They would go to police if not Portland Street Response.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so that doesn't change—.

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<v Loretta Smith>Well, the police would be expanded, not PSR, if it would go the normal way that it would generally go.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I think you might— I would welcome a deeper conversation about this, but I also do want to talk to mention, like, this committee was formed to make this recommendation to council.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so I don't want it to be lost that they're doing exactly what council asked them to do in bringing forward these recommendations, not sort of creating something from whole cloth to bring and ask.

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<v Stephanie Howard>They were asked with to do the work that they have are producing for you now.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And so I, I completely understand your points.

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<v Loretta Smith>But I— when you bring me something that says you only need $135,000, I don't believe it, Stephanie.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And I'm happy to have more conversations with you about that.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Wow.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, looking forward, I'm excited to get started on this work, uh, and I'm excited about the low-budget impact.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And when I ask a question and I get an answer, I actually am appreciative that there was an answer.

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<v Sameer Kanal>$144,000, Not million, thousand.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And that's a, that's a really helpful piece of information, uh, to have going forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I want to appreciate that it is not— we did not ask anyone on this side of the dais to tell us what to cut to fund PSR.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's not your job, and I don't want to ask you to do something that's not your job.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's our job as city councilors, as legislators, as the budget authority to figure out what to cut.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm interested in doing that job because we do not have a $170 million deficit.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We have a much smaller deficit.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We have $100 million or so of ongoing programs which are designed to sunset each year, and the mayor asks to retain those programs and continue them.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's not a deficit.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's a request for expansion of a program designed to sunset at the end of one fiscal year into the next fiscal year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And we can say no to that as an expansion the same way we can say no to continuing any program.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Obviously, if the mayor does choose to propose retaining those programs, he would propose what to cut in his proposed budget.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Now, of course, if there's the fair share tax passes or another revenue source is created, then that conversation is different.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But even otherwise, we do have have places to look for the real deficit, as well as to take a critical eye to whether or not to retain programs into a following year that were designed to be one-time, the bulk of which are important solutions, which is the thing that's breaking our budget right now.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I think it's, uh, the question that was posed earlier of where to look for the money is— was answered in the question itself.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, writ large, I think it's fair to observe that there are attempts to diminish this program by forcing it to co-respond, by forcing it to be a part of homelessness services by making it have a phone number that is not 911, by making it a part of the county, by making it a nonprofit, or some new idea.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And it's important for us to name that these are cynical attempts to just zero out PSR, and we have to name it so that we can combat it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Because even when naming it, we're noticing, and I'm observing as well, that the argument was made that the reason why we shouldn't do this is so we can expand a different bureau, as opposed to evaluating PSR for what it is.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I don't think we need to relitigate that because we actually already passed this last year in June.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, the, the, the position of this council has been established, and it includes that PSR is not a healthcare program.

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<v Sameer Kanal>PSR is not a homelessness services program.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It is a public safety responder for people in behavioral health crisis, like the people who have lost their lives earlier this year and last year because they did not have the right responder going to those Now, there is an overlap between homelessness and behavioral health, but it is a Venn diagram, not a single circle.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I also want to observe that there is a pattern of applying standards that are fair for everyone, but applying them only to things that are doing the helping and not the things that are doing the harming.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I would love to see the same standard of evaluation applied to Portland Solutions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is it accomplishing its stated goals that is being proposed here for PSR?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Because PSR is passing that test, and that's not coming from me, and that's not coming from anybody on that side of the table.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Today is it's coming from multiple external evaluations.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And again, Portland Solutions is the stream of funding that we are looking for.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We should be looking there because that is going to assist us in achieving the goals of this program.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Now, I, looking forward at this, I'm excited to first just, you know, accept the report today and appreciate the work that's gone into it, but to have the conversation and to be honest about the I think the fact that turning something into a bureau, implementing the recommendations, has a smaller price tag.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then what that enables will— may possibly have other prices down the line.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Eventually, if PSR were to triple its staff, obviously that would cost more than $144,000.

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<v Sameer Kanal>If it goes up by double, it would increase also, just not by as much.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Those are conversations we have to have later and see where we want to go.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But the first step is ensuring that it is protected.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Because it has lived as an extended pilot for far too long, and we need to make it a permanent part of our public safety system.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And that's, I think, what your recommendations do a big part of achieving.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm excited to accept those, build upon them, and, uh, and appreciate the work as we keep going.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Sorry, you caught me mid-nose blow.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, Um, yeah, I, I want to say thanks again to the folks who presented today because again, it was council that directed you to bring us recommendations.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So you have fulfilled your duties in bringing us those recommendations.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I just want to remind folks that Portland Street Response was also sort of created during a time where police were responding to mental health crisis calls and they had killed so many people who experienced mental health crisis because they did not So sure, we could beef up the police bureau more, but that doesn't address the fact that these calls exist.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Someone has to respond to them.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The public wants somebody to respond to them, and there is a right person to do that work.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so I, I don't want to glaze over that.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And the other thing that I will add is that this isn't just a homelessness crisis response.

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<v Angelita Morillo>There are people who are housed who also experience mental health crises.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And crises, so we need to be able to and some of them are lucky enough to have a supportive family that ends up bringing them home later.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But those mental health crises happen in public streets as well, and Portland Street Response would be responding to housed and unhoused people alike.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So this is a program that serves everybody in our society.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It's just that houseless people are more visible when it comes to a lot of the issues that they deal with because they don't have a private residence to deal with The other thing I'll say is I think there were some allusions to, like, new offices being created and that costing us a lot.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I will say it sounds like they gave us a number for how much it's estimated to cost.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And this is a bureau, which is a little bit bigger than an office, I would say.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But with the Data Privacy Office, there was no increase in cost.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I just verified with my financial analyst to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But we were really careful when we created that to ensure that it wouldn't create additional costs for the city because of the budget crunch that we're in.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So the cost of this is pretty nominal, around $144,000 is something that we can find in the city budget.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that we have a responsibility to find it because we just need to send the right responder to the right call.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The other reason I think that this really does belong at the city and not at the county is because it needs to fall within our 911 system.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Portland Street Response does not just do, you know, random outreach to connect people to services.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It is specifically about, okay, someone is having a mental health crisis.

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<v Angelita Morillo>They are standing in the middle of the road blocking traffic for everybody, and they don't have the wherewithal to put— get themselves out of danger or stop blocking the road or whatever, right?

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<v Angelita Morillo>That is a 911 call, and that 911 call falls under the purview of the city.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So our role is to decide who gets that call, who answers, what training they have, do they show up with a gun, do they not show up with a gun.

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<v Angelita Morillo>All of that is part of an emergency response system, and that's a little bit different than just doing general day-to-day outreach when there isn't a 911 call level threat happening.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So that's sort of why I think it was created within 911.

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<v Angelita Morillo>That's why police couldn't respond to it.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And frankly, I don't think police should have to.

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<v Angelita Morillo>That's a lot of additional training.

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<v Angelita Morillo>That's a lot of additional, maybe even college education that someone should have to answer that type of call.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And they need to actually be freed up to address violent crime, We need more detectives.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think as Councilor Novick and Councilor Kanal have pointed out, that type of work needs to happen, but they can't do that if they are responding to calls that they are not equipped to handle.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So again, thank you to the presenters for coming here for months-long work putting all of this together for us.

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<v Angelita Morillo>We're very lucky to have people take time out of their day to do that.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I think we're very lucky to have a great Deputy City Attorney Nancy Thorington.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I appreciate you crunching the numbers.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Stephanie, thank you as well for crunching all of that for us.

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<v Angelita Morillo>You know, if you have any further breakdowns you want us to look at, feel free to email it to our offices.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But I trust the numbers that you put forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm going to shut this down at 11 so we can take a break and then get to body-worn cameras.

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<v Steve Novick>But Councilor Smith, do you have a minute?

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<v Loretta Smith>I have one quick question.

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<v Loretta Smith>So I'd like you to do one thing for me.

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<v Loretta Smith>Uh, Director Howard, I'd like you to tell me, because the recommendation is to have PSR go 24 hours, could you please put in your recommendation what it would cost to bring new people on and put that number with your $145,000 number so I can see the whole number with the, um, recommendation to go 24 hours?

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<v Loretta Smith>That's what I mean.

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<v Loretta Smith>I, I, I, I'm seeing something in my head, and I know good and well it's going to be more than one $145,000 because you're going to pay with benefits and for one person.

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<v Loretta Smith>But if you could please, um, um, calculate what it would cost for personnel in addition to the monies that you've already identified, what it would cost, the whole number.

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<v Loretta Smith>That's what I'm asking for.

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<v Stephanie Howard>Yeah, happy to, Councilor.

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<v Stephanie Howard>And we, we have our expansion plan that we created earlier this year.

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<v Stephanie Howard>I can send that to you.

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<v Stephanie Howard>It has that information.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, perfect.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>At the, at the risk of stealing your thunder with a pop culture reference, uh, Councilor Novick, uh, there's a— and at the risk of, of alienating Alanis Morissette— we have 10,000 knives when all we need is a spoon.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And when you are trying to eat soup, it doesn't matter how many knives you get, it doesn't matter how many forks you get, you just need one spoon.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so trying to get the right responder for the types of calls that only you can do at PSR is the key piece that we're missing in terms of identifying what the problem we're trying to solve is.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So, um, I just wanted to, to put a finer point on that and, and kind of continue to commit to, to the diversity of options in silverware drawers as well as in the PSSA.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>That reminds me, I've been meaning to ask the council president to have a work session discussing how much damage Alanis Morissette did to the English language with that song Isn't Thank you very much.

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<v Steve Novick>I really appreciate this, and I realize you've been sort of caught up into council discussions, which we need to resolve ourselves and can't ask you to resolve.

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<v Steve Novick>But one thing I want to say is I really appreciate the— what you've done looking at other cities, and I want to follow up with you, Kaya, and like talk about who do we talk to in Dayton, who do we talk to in Minneapolis, because I think that's something that we need to do more.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you very much.

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<v Steve Novick>And, uh, now we're going to take a 15-minute recess and then talk about body-worn cameras.

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<v Steve Novick>So good people, be back at, um, 11:14.

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<v Steve Novick>I didn't see it.

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<v Steve Novick>Oh, all right, I've let things slip to 11:15 when they said 11:14.

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<v Steve Novick>Could the clerk please call the next item?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-379, Procedures for the Release of Body-Worn Cameras footage discussion.

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<v Steve Novick>Please proceed.

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<v Bob Day>Good morning, Councilors.

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<v Bob Day>Bob Day, Chief of Police.

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<v Bob Day>Joining me is Mike Menner, our comms manager for the Police Bureau, and we are gonna walk through some— a little bit of history with the body-worn camera program and then speak directly to our Thank you, Councilor Herbold.

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<v Bob Day>I'm going to talk about our SOP regarding the release of information during critical incidents, and then I know we're going to hear from PCIP, and we'll have some chance for some Q&A, I believe.

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<v Bob Day>So go ahead, Bree, next slide, please.

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<v Bob Day>So just a quick overview.

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<v Bob Day>As you can see on the left-hand side of the screen, what the cameras are for, and the context on the side, on the right side there, kind of gives you an idea of the history of how we got Oh, I do want to highlight that this document that we're looking at, these 4 slides, there were a couple of minor changes made this morning just because we got some clarification on them from what was originally sent over.

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<v Kaya Sand>They're working off of the newest one.

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<v Bob Day>They're working on that?

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<v Bob Day>Okay, so this is the original one.

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<v Kaya Sand>No, this is the newest one.

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<v Bob Day>This is the new one?

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<v Bob Day>Okay, good.

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<v Bob Day>Okay, great.

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<v Bob Day>Thank you.

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<v Bob Day>Sorry, I wanted to make sure.

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<v Bob Day>So you can see on the, like I said, left side what they're used for.

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<v Bob Day>The highlight that I would place at the bottom there is it's a piece of evidence from one vantage point.

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<v Bob Day>Oftentimes we think we have a camera angle and So we just know everything that happened.

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<v Bob Day>It's just a single piece of evidence from one vantage point.

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<v Bob Day>On the right-hand side gives a little bit of the history.

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<v Bob Day>We're gonna dive into that a little bit more.

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<v Bob Day>But going back to the settlement agreement, the context of body-worn cameras within the settlement agreement is important as we talk about the policy and the application of it.

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<v Bob Day>We began studying, well, go ahead in the next slide.

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<v Bob Day>We actually began having some conversations about body-worn cameras As you can see down at the bottom, you know, well, 2014, 2015, that first bullet at the top, and then down below 2015, we hosted a number of community forums.

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<v Bob Day>'21 Polling showed high percentage of Portlanders wanting us to have cameras, several petitions including from various civil rights groups.

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<v Bob Day>It took a little bit of a while there, but you can see in April of '22, Judge Simon accepts an amendment to the ordinance.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Bob Day>To the settlement agreement, body-worn cameras became court required.

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<v Bob Day>And if you move down to the end, in June, August of 2024, we began the— excuse me— the implementation of body-worn cameras.

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<v Bob Day>So, you know, about 10 years more or less of the Police Bureau looking at this in different iterations to get it off the ground in full implementation in the summer Go ahead, next slide, please.

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<v Bob Day>So the body-worn camera program, these are just some of the processes we use.

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<v Bob Day>It automatically activates when you can see emergency lights are activated, a firearm is drawn, et cetera.

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<v Bob Day>Those are immediate activations.

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<v Bob Day>Middle category talks about when officers must activate if, in fact, some of those things don't automatically take place.

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<v Bob Day>And then there are opportunities built in for, you know, whether we have the camera on or off during, you know, sensitive interviews, attorney-client conversations, some basic, you know, roll call training, etc.

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<v Bob Day>The entire body-worn camera policy was part of negotiations with the PPA, so it's, it's, you know, part of the CBA as we look at it.

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<v Bob Day>And so these were some of the steps that we Thank you.

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<v Bob Day>Accountability is built in at the end there.

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<v Bob Day>You can see where we announce that we are recording.

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01:54:01.043 --> 01:54:02.552
<v Bob Day>That's required in Oregon.

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01:54:03.533 --> 01:54:05.507
<v Bob Day>Record somebody, we need to let them know we're recording them.

822
01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.922
<v Bob Day>And then we can, before stopping, state the reason.

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01:54:10.389 --> 01:54:12.154
<v Bob Day>So that's documented.

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01:54:13.247 --> 01:54:27.279
<v Bob Day>Community members' request alone does not end the recording, but obviously going back up to that The paragraph on the right, for some of these sensitive investigations, they may turn into that, and then we would end the recording, and we would state why we ended the recording.

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01:54:28.516 --> 01:54:29.351
<v Bob Day>Okay, next slide.

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01:54:30.460 --> 01:54:35.148
<v Bob Day>It's a little bit about how long the footage lives, how it's retained.

827
01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:38.069
<v Bob Day>It's obviously recorded on the camera.

828
01:54:38.310 --> 01:54:43.144
<v Bob Day>When the officers return to the precincts, they put it in what's called the dock.

829
01:54:43.225 --> 01:54:43.448
<v Bob Day>It's uploaded.

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01:54:43.594 --> 01:54:43.979
<v Bob Day>And then it's archived.

831
01:54:44.533 --> 01:54:51.650
<v Bob Day>They're required to go in and tag it and make sure that it lines up with the proper case number, and then it's stored.

832
01:54:52.310 --> 01:54:52.936
<v Bob Day>It's protected.

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01:54:52.984 --> 01:54:54.519
<v Bob Day>It cannot be edited, deleted.

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01:54:54.568 --> 01:54:58.599
<v Bob Day>We can limit who can view certain footage.

835
01:55:00.435 --> 01:55:09.212
<v Bob Day>And then you can see down at the bottom, we follow Oregon law and state statute around the retention of the material.

836
01:55:09.292 --> 01:55:09.550
<v Bob Day>Thank you.

837
01:55:10.186 --> 01:55:11.550
<v Bob Day>Routine footage, no case.

838
01:55:11.630 --> 01:55:15.576
<v Bob Day>This might be, for example, I oftentimes wear a camera.

839
01:55:15.815 --> 01:55:23.114
<v Bob Day>I may drive by a vehicle that's on a traffic stop and the overhead lights from that vehicle activates my camera.

840
01:55:23.418 --> 01:55:25.777
<v Bob Day>I'm not stopping, I'm just driving by.

841
01:55:26.033 --> 01:55:29.514
<v Bob Day>My camera comes on, it may record for 30 seconds or a minute.

842
01:55:29.610 --> 01:55:37.582
<v Bob Day>I end that recording and then I have to go in and tag that as an accidental or unintentional activation, and that will be deleted.

843
01:55:37.631 --> 01:55:37.935
<v Bob Day>So that's not a crime?

844
01:55:38.587 --> 01:55:39.796
<v Bob Day>Within 180 days.

845
01:55:40.301 --> 01:55:42.408
<v Bob Day>Evidence until the case reaches final disposition.

846
01:55:44.037 --> 01:55:49.256
<v Bob Day>Internal investigations until closed or 180 days, whichever is longer.

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01:55:49.819 --> 01:55:55.507
<v Bob Day>And then on the right, you can see some of the purposes that it's for, where it's helped us.

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01:55:56.091 --> 01:56:04.417
<v Bob Day>And we're going to get into on the next future slide here around footage release within 14 days, critical incident releasing of information.

849
01:56:05.916 --> 01:56:13.914
<v Bob Day>We did negotiate in this process all involved officers give a statement to Internal Affairs within 48 hours before viewing.

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01:56:14.429 --> 01:56:21.671
<v Bob Day>We use it for after-action process, including random reviews throughout the year to, to review officers' performance.

851
01:56:22.298 --> 01:56:27.775
<v Bob Day>And then of course, it's never used in accordance with facial recognition or non-law enforcement use.

852
01:56:28.563 --> 01:56:30.779
<v Bob Day>And once again, as I said earlier, it's one perspective.

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01:56:31.789 --> 01:56:42.783
<v Bob Day>There's a lot of things that impact the benefit or availability or information that's shared as it relates to, you know, the placement of the camera, field of view, light, audio, et cetera.

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01:56:43.975 --> 01:56:46.454
<v Bob Day>Okay, Bree, I think we have the SOP next.

855
01:56:46.568 --> 01:56:46.985
<v Bob Day>Is that right?

856
01:56:49.981 --> 01:56:51.448
<v Bob Day>So this is the SOP.

857
01:56:51.577 --> 01:56:55.429
<v Bob Day>I just want to walk through, and I want to be clear about language for a minute.

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01:56:55.927 --> 01:57:04.514
<v Bob Day>Oftentimes we talk about policy, and what I just reviewed for you was really the directive, which is the policy that governs the behavior of the police officers.

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01:57:04.578 --> 01:57:09.274
<v Bob Day>And once again, that policy is put through many stages.

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01:57:09.850 --> 01:57:14.225
<v Bob Day>Community review as part of, uh, was negotiations with labor.

861
01:57:14.592 --> 01:57:17.445
<v Bob Day>You know, there's a lot of steps for something to become policy.

862
01:57:18.055 --> 01:57:20.442
<v Bob Day>And then, as with many bureaus, you have an SOP.

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01:57:20.682 --> 01:57:22.717
<v Bob Day>We refer to as a policy as well.

864
01:57:23.470 --> 01:57:31.585
<v Bob Day>Um, we have more flexibility and more latitude within an SOP to create, you know, how we're going to operationalize, what's this going to look like.

865
01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:34.087
<v Bob Day>So what you have before you is an SOP.

866
01:57:34.457 --> 01:57:38.179
<v Bob Day>As I mentioned, the program for us became live in '24.

867
01:57:38.788 --> 01:57:44.708
<v Bob Day>The disadvantage to that was we had many years where we were behind what other agencies were doing and progressing.

868
01:57:45.126 --> 01:57:50.886
<v Bob Day>The positive is when we created the program, we had many agencies to pull resources and information from.

869
01:57:51.494 --> 01:58:02.931
<v Bob Day>So This, you know, I'm not going to read word for word, but we use this SOP when we are talking about body-worn camera public release, and largely it's around critical incidents.

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01:58:03.429 --> 01:58:06.909
<v Bob Day>And so you can see, you know, point number 1, initial evaluation.

871
01:58:07.662 --> 01:58:09.539
<v Bob Day>This references an officer-involved shooting.

872
01:58:09.587 --> 01:58:11.064
<v Bob Day>It may not be an officer-involved shooting.

873
01:58:11.112 --> 01:58:13.838
<v Bob Day>It could be really any critical incident, but this is specific.

874
01:58:14.576 --> 01:58:15.458
<v Bob Day>We mentioned that.

875
01:58:16.564 --> 01:58:22.609
<v Bob Day>Then there's the work that we do, the sharing of the video internally, the evidence, as the comms unit begins to prepare.

876
01:58:23.460 --> 01:58:27.978
<v Bob Day>Um, the videographer then has to begin the process of downloading, redacting.

877
01:58:28.027 --> 01:58:34.980
<v Bob Day>There's a lot of privacy issues that we have to work through when we— when we, uh, before we release video information.

878
01:58:36.038 --> 01:58:40.125
<v Bob Day>Um, then point number 4, you can see the public information officer reviews it.

879
01:58:40.765 --> 01:58:44.002
<v Bob Day>Um, a script is created, um, for the video.

880
01:58:44.851 --> 01:58:50.978
<v Bob Day>Um, we attempt to have that be factual, neutral, Go ahead and go to the next page, please.

881
01:58:52.819 --> 01:59:01.125
<v Bob Day>The script is approved obviously by the homicide sergeant, and also we work closely with the district attorneys who have ultimately authority over all death investigations.

882
01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:02.609
<v Bob Day>There's more editing.

883
01:59:03.192 --> 01:59:13.699
<v Bob Day>We add a disclaimer, and then the draft of what we intend to release is reviewed by A through G. There you can see the number of people that put eyes on Yes.

884
01:59:14.212 --> 01:59:19.021
<v Bob Day>Just as recently as this past week before we did the release, city administrator gave some input.

885
01:59:19.101 --> 01:59:22.564
<v Bob Day>We made some adjustments and changes before the last release.

886
01:59:23.846 --> 01:59:29.489
<v Bob Day>And then you can see in terms of the release process, how it's released to YouTube.

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01:59:29.681 --> 01:59:32.021
<v Bob Day>It's released in 14 days following the incident.

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01:59:32.070 --> 01:59:35.148
<v Bob Day>The reason we do 14 days, we can do sooner.

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01:59:35.533 --> 01:59:45.135
<v Bob Day>We oftentimes need that entire amount of time to really protect the privacy of the information on there that we have to, the redaction, a lot of editing that can go into this.

890
01:59:45.944 --> 01:59:46.076
<v Bob Day>Yes.

891
01:59:46.256 --> 01:59:47.310
<v Bob Day>It may not just be one.

892
01:59:49.212 --> 01:59:50.917
<v Bob Day>And the 14-day window is state law.

893
01:59:51.143 --> 01:59:55.939
<v Bob Day>So if somebody requests the name of an officer, we have to provide that name within 14 days.

894
01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:59.967
<v Bob Day>We know that on these incidents, everybody's going to want to know the name of the officer.

895
02:00:00.016 --> 02:00:05.064
<v Bob Day>So we just tell media, 14 days, we're going to get all this out and everybody will have that information.

896
02:00:06.020 --> 02:00:08.493
<v Bob Day>This SOP has been around for a little over a year.

897
02:00:09.345 --> 02:00:24.784
<v Bob Day>We made some changes recently at the direction of the city administrator and some of the requests for council regarding The fact that we are now trying to make sure that it's no later than 6:00 PM on the 14th day, 'cause sometimes these events happen in the middle of the night or whatever.

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02:00:24.849 --> 02:00:31.341
<v Bob Day>We're trying to not be like 14-day to the minute, but we wanna make sure that it's typically released.

899
02:00:31.421 --> 02:00:33.234
<v Bob Day>That's not always gonna be the case, but that's the goal.

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02:00:33.747 --> 02:00:39.550
<v Bob Day>We also wanna make sure that it gets to council within 8 hours of the scheduled release time.

901
02:00:39.757 --> 02:00:41.216
<v Bob Day>So that's a change in the policy.

902
02:00:41.280 --> 02:00:41.393
<v Bob Day>Thank you.

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02:00:42.484 --> 02:00:46.078
<v Bob Day>We really weren't being consistent about when council received this.

904
02:00:46.881 --> 02:00:49.431
<v Bob Day>We have taken a variety of approaches.

905
02:00:49.528 --> 02:00:51.212
<v Bob Day>I will say this is a work in progress.

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02:00:51.341 --> 02:00:53.603
<v Bob Day>So Councilor Novick, it's a timely conversation.

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02:00:53.971 --> 02:00:56.331
<v Bob Day>I think we've done 10 or 11 of these.

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02:00:56.524 --> 02:00:57.197
<v Bob Day>Is that correct, Mike?

909
02:00:57.405 --> 02:00:57.485
<v Mike Benner>Yes.

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02:00:57.550 --> 02:01:00.935
<v Bob Day>We've done about 10 or 11 of these since we've had the program.

911
02:01:01.801 --> 02:01:06.470
<v Bob Day>And once again, there's really kind of 3 primary ways we see this done around the country.

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02:01:06.551 --> 02:01:08.556
<v Bob Day>And I've spoken with a number of chiefs about this.

913
02:01:08.637 --> 02:01:14.775
<v Bob Day>Mike has spoken with a number of comms One way is, and we've done all 3 of these, or at least 2 out of 3 that I'm sure.

914
02:01:14.890 --> 02:01:16.295
<v Bob Day>I'm not sure about the 3rd one.

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02:01:16.811 --> 02:01:23.077
<v Bob Day>We do a critical incident briefing where we just get up in front of a microphone, walk everybody through it, do it very publicly.

916
02:01:23.578 --> 02:01:24.368
<v Bob Day>That's one option.

917
02:01:24.563 --> 02:01:33.144
<v Bob Day>Another option includes doing a shorter version that captures, you know, the main content of the event.

918
02:01:33.208 --> 02:01:34.632
<v Bob Day>That is a narrated version.

919
02:01:35.311 --> 02:01:37.722
<v Bob Day>And then a release of all the raw video.

920
02:01:37.771 --> 02:01:37.885
<v Bob Day>Thank you.

921
02:01:38.863 --> 02:01:45.317
<v Bob Day>That's primarily how we've done it, where we've had a narrated version to provide some context about what people are seeing.

922
02:01:46.019 --> 02:01:50.333
<v Bob Day>And then the third version is to not have a narrated version, but just to have embedded words.

923
02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:59.006
<v Bob Day>For example, that's how San Diego, I believe, does it, is they don't, excuse me, have anybody talking, but they do have a narration.

924
02:02:00.069 --> 02:02:01.106
<v Bob Day>What would you call that, a caption?

925
02:02:01.287 --> 02:02:01.891
<v Bob Day>Caption.

926
02:02:01.957 --> 02:02:03.283
<v Bob Day>A caption in the video.

927
02:02:03.510 --> 02:02:09.838
<v Bob Day>So those are kind of the 3 primary ways that we see it done around the country, and that's what we've adopted.

928
02:02:10.735 --> 02:02:22.128
<v Bob Day>We recognize that anytime we are going to, you know, create context or do any editing, there's a risk of bias to that, that, you know, could be seen as us trying to portray a position or a belief.

929
02:02:22.208 --> 02:02:27.817
<v Bob Day>We work strongly to avoid that, but we recognize that exists in all of us and everything that we do every day.

930
02:02:28.201 --> 02:02:37.136
<v Bob Day>So that's why we release all the raw footage following Including the narrated portion so that Portlanders or others can go and see everything in context.

931
02:02:37.603 --> 02:02:43.413
<v Bob Day>But we really believe it would be irresponsible to just put it out there without any context at all.

932
02:02:44.087 --> 02:02:47.811
<v Bob Day>And this is consistent, like I said, with the best practices across the country.

933
02:02:47.876 --> 02:02:55.099
<v Bob Day>So that's a quick down and dirty 10 or 15 minutes, but kind of gives us an overview.

934
02:02:55.260 --> 02:02:58.759
<v Bob Day>But I know the primary purpose of getting together is to be able to have a conversation.

935
02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:00.765
<v Bob Day>So threw a lot at you.

936
02:03:00.862 --> 02:03:03.849
<v Bob Day>I'm happy to come back and review anything, Councilor Novick.

937
02:03:04.331 --> 02:03:04.988
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Chief.

938
02:03:05.052 --> 02:03:07.990
<v Steve Novick>And I, um, there's some confusion in my notes.

939
02:03:08.167 --> 02:03:12.454
<v Steve Novick>I thought we were going to hear a presentation from the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing, but it's not in my script.

940
02:03:12.583 --> 02:03:13.965
<v Steve Novick>Do we have PCAP here today?

941
02:03:14.510 --> 02:03:15.489
<v Steve Novick>Um, yes.

942
02:03:15.569 --> 02:03:15.810
<v Steve Novick>Okay.

943
02:03:15.875 --> 02:03:16.356
<v Bob Day>Yes, they're here.

944
02:03:16.404 --> 02:03:16.983
<v Sameer Kanal>Presentation's fine.

945
02:03:17.400 --> 02:03:18.541
<v Steve Novick>All right, thank you.

946
02:03:18.926 --> 02:03:20.082
<v Steve Novick>Yeah.

947
02:03:27.797 --> 02:03:33.654
<v Steve Novick>By the way, I should note that Chief Day has told me that he has a hard stop at 12:15, so just keep that in mind.

948
02:03:38.609 --> 02:03:41.595
<v Keelan McClymont>All right, uh, good afternoon, councilors.

949
02:03:41.707 --> 02:03:49.609
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you for inviting us to share a bit about PCAP's work on the issue of body-worn cameras and bringing a community perspective into the conversation.

950
02:03:50.341 --> 02:03:53.228
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, my name is Dori Grabinski, and I'm the PCCEP program manager.

951
02:03:54.078 --> 02:04:06.283
<v Keelan McClymont>For anyone following along, PCCEP stands for the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing, which is a community body that oversees the Portland Police Bureau and makes recommendations to the mayor and the chief of police.

952
02:04:07.664 --> 02:04:16.127
<v Keelan McClymont>So today we're going to provide a brief overview of PCCEP's historical work on body-worn camera policy, and we'll also touch on some emerging discussions.

953
02:04:16.881 --> 02:04:22.645
<v Keelan McClymont>And so you're aware, some of that historical work that we're going to talk about predates the service of current PCET members and staff.

954
02:04:23.528 --> 02:04:28.855
<v Keelan McClymont>However, everyone here today was a part of those more recent discussions about release and presentation of footage.

955
02:04:29.273 --> 02:04:31.809
<v Keelan McClymont>So we'll try to be pretty quick for you today.

956
02:04:32.194 --> 02:04:41.005
<v Keelan McClymont>I am joined by 2 PCET members who are going to help me present this overview, and I will invite Kip and Gabby to quickly introduce themselves at this time.

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02:04:41.582 --> 02:04:44.342
<v Kip Silverman>Yeah, hi, I'm Kip Silverman, he/him pronouns.

958
02:04:44.872 --> 02:04:49.411
<v Kip Silverman>I am co-chair of I think Gabby is online.

959
02:04:49.927 --> 02:04:51.962
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Yeah, I'm Gabrielle Pochia.

960
02:04:52.252 --> 02:04:54.449
<v Gabrielle Pochia>I'm the chair of the Policy and Reform Committee.

961
02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:01.077
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, and we can go to the next slide.

962
02:05:02.619 --> 02:05:03.801
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, so I'll start us off here.

963
02:05:03.930 --> 02:05:06.295
<v Keelan McClymont>Chief Day touched on the timeline as well.

964
02:05:06.845 --> 02:05:09.095
<v Keelan McClymont>We're going to just talk about a PSAP-specific timeline.

965
02:05:09.699 --> 02:05:12.717
<v Keelan McClymont>So as you can see, body cameras have been a formal topic for the committee since 2017.

966
02:05:13.246 --> 02:05:16.237
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

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02:05:18.274 --> 02:05:31.222
<v Keelan McClymont>So the PSUP racial equity subcommittee held a series of meetings and listening sessions, and that culminated in a formal recommendation about body-worn camera policy to PPB Chief Resh in 2020.

968
02:05:31.336 --> 02:05:34.282
<v Keelan McClymont>And we'll talk about the details of that recommendation in the next slide.

969
02:05:35.123 --> 02:05:48.130
<v Keelan McClymont>However, those policy recommendations weren't considered at the time because the pilot program So then we get into the sort of settlement agreement remedy era.

970
02:05:48.449 --> 02:05:55.970
<v Keelan McClymont>The body camera for Portland discussion was revived in 2021 when DOJ signaled that they wanted to add them to the settlement agreement.

971
02:05:56.770 --> 02:06:05.750
<v Keelan McClymont>So over the next couple of years, PCAP conducted more large-scale engagement about what the community wanted and didn't want from a body camera program.

972
02:06:05.949 --> 02:06:09.829
<v Keelan McClymont>And that included a town hall and a survey that a couple thousand people responded to.

973
02:06:09.829 --> 02:06:09.869
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

974
02:06:12.103 --> 02:06:17.875
<v Keelan McClymont>So COCL presented those engagement findings to the DOJ, the city, and the court in 2022.

975
02:06:18.243 --> 02:06:23.792
<v Keelan McClymont>And over the next couple of years, the city worked to implement the program, which went bureau-wide in 2024.

976
02:06:24.434 --> 02:06:32.386
<v Keelan McClymont>And then the final point we have here is once body camera footage started coming out, the committee discussed it again beginning in 2025.

977
02:06:32.916 --> 02:06:36.877
<v Keelan McClymont>And this time they were looking at details of how the footage is made available to the public.

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02:06:36.940 --> 02:06:37.100
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

979
02:06:37.806 --> 02:06:40.439
<v Keelan McClymont>And we will get into that at the end of our presentation.

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02:06:41.579 --> 02:06:43.603
<v Keelan McClymont>And now I will pass it over to Kip.

981
02:06:44.326 --> 02:06:45.193
<v Kip Silverman>Yeah, thank you.

982
02:06:45.626 --> 02:06:52.561
<v Kip Silverman>So we're gonna get into what PCCEP's recommendation and the engagement work on body-worn camera policy actually said.

983
02:06:53.155 --> 02:06:58.100
<v Kip Silverman>There's an overlap between the formal recommendation and subsequent engagement events and surveys.

984
02:06:58.694 --> 02:07:00.541
<v Kip Silverman>So we've condensed the themes here.

985
02:07:00.685 --> 02:07:01.505
<v Kip Silverman>We'll try to be quick.

986
02:07:02.131 --> 02:07:06.594
<v Kip Silverman>What we think is important to know is that there has been a sustained effort to understand the community Thank you.

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02:07:06.721 --> 02:07:13.395
<v Kip Silverman>So, we have heard from the community's values on this topic, and we have a lot of documentation about what PCET has heard.

988
02:07:14.246 --> 02:07:16.667
<v Kip Silverman>As you can see, we have some familiar themes here.

989
02:07:17.952 --> 02:07:27.577
<v Kip Silverman>Transparency, ensuring that most types of encounters are recorded, that footage is subject to independent oversight, and that it's released in a timely and consistent way.

990
02:07:28.314 --> 02:07:33.127
<v Kip Silverman>Secondly, accountability, officers completing reports before reviewing footage.

991
02:07:33.239 --> 02:07:33.448
<v Kip Silverman>Thank you.

992
02:07:33.545 --> 02:07:39.582
<v Kip Silverman>Second, access to footage, consequences for policy violations, and using footage for training and auditing.

993
02:07:40.257 --> 02:07:41.430
<v Kip Silverman>Thirdly, privacy.

994
02:07:42.345 --> 02:07:54.680
<v Kip Silverman>These findings were about protecting community members from unintended harms related to recording, storing, and releasing footage, and establishing clear rules about when cameras should be activated.

995
02:07:55.354 --> 02:07:57.779
<v Kip Silverman>And finally, control and integrity of footage.

996
02:07:58.229 --> 02:08:07.225
<v Kip Silverman>The idea that PPB shouldn't have exclusive control over footage, and that public trust depends on information being complete, reliable, and accurate.

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02:08:08.260 --> 02:08:09.279
<v Kip Silverman>Next slide, if you would.

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02:08:11.380 --> 02:08:18.914
<v Kip Silverman>In our formal recommendation, PCIP identified specific metrics of success for a body cam program.

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02:08:19.444 --> 02:08:27.603
<v Kip Silverman>They were a 50% reduction in use of deadly force, reduced stops of people of color, and widespread public approval of the program.

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02:08:27.667 --> 02:08:27.974
<v Kip Silverman>Thank you.

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02:08:30.581 --> 02:08:31.190
<v Keelan McClymont>Next slide.

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<v Kip Silverman>And lastly, on the policy side of things, we did a high-level side-by-side comparing community priorities as identified by PCCEP and COCL with the implemented policy.

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<v Kip Silverman>We don't have time to go through this piece by piece, but many aspects of the existing policy do generally align with PCCEP's work.

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02:08:52.891 --> 02:08:53.840
<v Kip Silverman>One notable exception Yes.

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02:08:53.887 --> 02:08:57.175
<v Kip Silverman>The exception is a topic of preview— pre-review.

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02:08:58.521 --> 02:09:12.600
<v Kip Silverman>PCEP stated that officers should not be permitted to view footage prior to writing reports in order to prevent officers from adjusting their account— excuse me— of events based on what the video shows.

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02:09:13.099 --> 02:09:17.524
<v Kip Silverman>Generally speaking, PPB officers may review the footage in advance.

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02:09:17.845 --> 02:09:22.322
<v Kip Silverman>I believe the major exception is in deadly force situations.

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02:09:23.636 --> 02:09:26.572
<v Kip Silverman>And I'll pass it to Gabby at this point.

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02:09:28.828 --> 02:09:28.989
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Thanks.

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02:09:29.037 --> 02:09:34.198
<v Gabrielle Pochia>So now we'll speak to an emerging topic that first came up at PCCEP in 2025.

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02:09:34.862 --> 02:09:53.466
<v Gabrielle Pochia>This has less to do with formal PPB policies around body cameras, and it's more about how body camera footage of critical incidents is presented to the public and what the standards are when it comes to packaging In 2025, Damon Lamar Johnson died after an encounter with PPB.

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02:09:53.787 --> 02:10:03.779
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Damon Lamar Johnson appeared to be in an acute mental health crisis during that encounter, so many community members noted the painful echoes of the settlement agreement origins in this case.

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02:10:04.774 --> 02:10:08.911
<v Gabrielle Pochia>When it came to releasing the footage, PPB took a few steps that people took note of.

1015
02:10:09.488 --> 02:10:12.070
<v Gabrielle Pochia>First, they produced a summary video that included selected footage from the encounter.

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02:10:12.135 --> 02:10:12.279
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Thank you.

1017
02:10:15.310 --> 02:10:27.000
<v Gabrielle Pochia>The video also included narration and context, which some people felt was subjective and heavier-handed than prior videos.

1018
02:10:27.739 --> 02:10:33.460
<v Gabrielle Pochia>PCIP understands that summary videos are a common practice, and we don't inherently have a problem with the concept.

1019
02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:57.417
<v Gabrielle Pochia>The issues talked about had more to do with how subjectivity can be injected based on production choices, and we would like to see more The other thing PPB did not— I'm sorry, the other thing PPB did was hold advanced private screenings with community leaders before the public release of the footage.

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02:10:58.032 --> 02:11:02.877
<v Gabrielle Pochia>For those screenings, community members were organized into separate sessions based on affinity.

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02:11:03.005 --> 02:11:05.966
<v Gabrielle Pochia>For instance, Black community leaders and behavioral health leaders.

1022
02:11:06.224 --> 02:11:06.448
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Thank you.

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02:11:07.777 --> 02:11:22.207
<v Gabrielle Pochia>This also just generated some mixed reactions, and while this could be seen as an effort to prepare the community for the release of sensitive footage, some expressed concerns that this was an effort to manage public reactions and keep groups separate.

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02:11:22.801 --> 02:11:30.000
<v Gabrielle Pochia>And it also called into question whether this process took place for the release of all sensitive footage, and if not, how the Bureau makes those calls.

1025
02:11:30.193 --> 02:11:41.819
<v Gabrielle Pochia>So, Councilor Loretta Smith, So here we've laid out a list of considerations PCAP discussed when it comes to how footage is released and messaged out to the public.

1026
02:11:42.605 --> 02:11:43.525
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Release timelines.

1027
02:11:43.752 --> 02:11:45.382
<v Gabrielle Pochia>So how soon is the footage released?

1028
02:11:45.528 --> 02:11:48.078
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Do timelines differ between incidents?

1029
02:11:49.082 --> 02:11:49.774
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Video editing.

1030
02:11:50.208 --> 02:11:53.170
<v Gabrielle Pochia>What governs decisions about how to edit summary video?

1031
02:11:53.507 --> 02:11:55.568
<v Gabrielle Pochia>What footage is included or removed?

1032
02:11:56.221 --> 02:11:57.006
<v Gabrielle Pochia>The narration.

1033
02:11:57.921 --> 02:11:59.621
<v Gabrielle Pochia>When is narration verbal or written included?

1034
02:11:59.670 --> 02:11:59.948
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Thank you.

1035
02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:06.380
<v Gabrielle Pochia>What is PPB's approach to preventing potentially subjective analysis and narration?

1036
02:12:07.631 --> 02:12:09.332
<v Gabrielle Pochia>The rollout and communication of video.

1037
02:12:09.621 --> 02:12:11.627
<v Gabrielle Pochia>How are videos introduced to the public?

1038
02:12:11.962 --> 02:12:13.743
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Are certain groups informed first?

1039
02:12:14.064 --> 02:12:16.583
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Is all material released at once or in stages?

1040
02:12:17.257 --> 02:12:18.188
<v Gabrielle Pochia>And the consistency.

1041
02:12:18.782 --> 02:12:22.215
<v Gabrielle Pochia>Do the same procedures apply across all critical incidents?

1042
02:12:22.712 --> 02:12:24.604
<v Gabrielle Pochia>And if not, what accounts for the differences?

1043
02:12:25.423 --> 02:12:29.615
<v Gabrielle Pochia>And we hope this conversation We hope that context helps inform your discussions, and we're happy to answer any questions.

1044
02:12:39.447 --> 02:12:43.699
<v Steve Novick>Any questions?

1045
02:12:51.140 --> 02:12:51.659
<v Steve Novick>Councilor Kanal.

1046
02:12:51.871 --> 02:12:54.259
<v Sameer Kanal>I feel like my— I don't have questions for PSAB about it.

1047
02:12:54.323 --> 02:12:58.051
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm probably going to reference it in the conversation we have with PPB, but I, I appreciate it.

1048
02:12:58.503 --> 02:12:58.939
<v Steve Novick>So thanks.

1049
02:12:59.069 --> 02:13:00.701
<v Steve Novick>Okay, thank you very much.

1050
02:13:00.782 --> 02:13:05.168
<v Steve Novick>I'll call PPB back up, but please stay in the room because I'm sure we will ask you to comment later on.

1051
02:13:05.583 --> 02:13:06.564
<v Sameer Kanal>And thank you all for being here.

1052
02:13:06.713 --> 02:13:06.913
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1053
02:13:32.515 --> 02:13:40.211
<v Steve Novick>So I'm, um, I think I'll start just by asking, what are your responses to some of the questions we just heard raised?

1054
02:13:40.340 --> 02:13:49.627
<v Steve Novick>Like, how are decisions made about how to edit the video, and about how do you make sure that the narration is, uh, you know, is, is not subjective.

1055
02:13:50.712 --> 02:13:55.127
<v Bob Day>Yeah, I'm going to turn that over to Mike here, um, about some of those decisions.

1056
02:13:55.256 --> 02:14:07.957
<v Bob Day>I want to acknowledge, particularly in the, uh, footage regarding Mr. Johnson, that the overtalk— there was some, there was some talk over Mr. Johnson's comments.

1057
02:14:08.020 --> 02:14:15.520
<v Bob Day>And so that's a situation that we rectified going forward, not narrating over when we hear voices on the camera, making sure that that's heard.

1058
02:14:15.631 --> 02:14:17.859
<v Bob Day>So as I said, this is a work in progress.

1059
02:14:18.180 --> 02:14:20.248
<v Bob Day>It's always going to be evolving.

1060
02:14:21.466 --> 02:14:36.199
<v Bob Day>And as I mentioned earlier, before Mike makes a determination or gives a little more detail about how the editing is decided, you know, I'm very comfortable in recognizing the bias that exists in all of us and certainly including in policing.

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02:14:37.016 --> 02:14:48.367
<v Bob Day>And so we do, as I said earlier, try to take steps by getting other eyes and ears on the product to make sure that we are presenting something to the best of our ability that is objective.

1062
02:14:48.430 --> 02:14:55.805
<v Bob Day>It will never be entirely objective because nothing we do can ever be entirely objective, but we are really striving for that.

1063
02:14:56.253 --> 02:15:04.797
<v Bob Day>And our intent in the release and the format that we do is just really believing the responsibility we have to provide some context both for Portlanders and for others.

1064
02:15:04.845 --> 02:15:08.934
<v Bob Day>So Mike, if you could speak to how decisions are made about what to edit.

1065
02:15:09.719 --> 02:15:10.712
<v Mike Benner>Yeah, appreciate that, Chief.

1066
02:15:10.921 --> 02:15:16.761
<v Mike Benner>And before I get to your question, Councilor Novick, I just want to say that we do appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation.

1067
02:15:18.078 --> 02:15:20.936
<v Mike Benner>Producing these videos is not something we take lightly.

1068
02:15:21.530 --> 02:15:25.368
<v Mike Benner>Anytime we're engaged in this process, someone has lost their life.

1069
02:15:26.106 --> 02:15:30.329
<v Mike Benner>Someone has suffered a life-changing injury.

1070
02:15:31.085 --> 02:15:38.582
<v Mike Benner>There's a ripple effect through our community, especially the friends and family of the people involved, community in general, our officers.

1071
02:15:39.578 --> 02:15:40.925
<v Mike Benner>Even trickles down to my team.

1072
02:15:41.759 --> 02:15:58.212
<v Mike Benner>While what we experience in this process pales in comparison to people directly involved, it can take a toll on the folks on my team when they're putting these videos together in interest of, you know, full disclosure and transparency for the community.

1073
02:15:58.277 --> 02:15:59.784
<v Mike Benner>So I just wanted to level set with that.

1074
02:16:00.282 --> 02:16:14.292
<v Mike Benner>But to get to your original question, Councilor Novick, when we have an incident, So when we get an incident, either myself or a combination of myself and others on the team will head out to the critical incident, and that's where we get our first understanding of what's happened.

1075
02:16:14.886 --> 02:16:21.533
<v Mike Benner>Pretty quickly, within an hour, 2 hours, we will be given access to the body-worn camera footage.

1076
02:16:22.032 --> 02:16:28.903
<v Mike Benner>I think there's a belief in the community that anyone at any time can look at body-worn camera footage within the Bureau, but that's not the case.

1077
02:16:29.802 --> 02:16:30.300
<v Mike Benner>Okay.

1078
02:16:30.670 --> 02:16:38.974
<v Mike Benner>You know, an officer on the street won't have access to the video that, you know, was recorded during a critical incident.

1079
02:16:39.358 --> 02:16:42.131
<v Mike Benner>The detectives in charge of the investigation have to give you permission.

1080
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<v Mike Benner>So my team, of course, gets that permission, and we will look at the call notes, the times of the call, the— just the indications of what happened that day.

1081
02:16:51.461 --> 02:16:58.210
<v Mike Benner>We'll work with homicide detectives as far as creating a timeline, and that is basically how we get, uh, to a script.

1082
02:16:58.820 --> 02:17:01.693
<v Mike Benner>Um, you know, Chief referenced biases.

1083
02:17:01.950 --> 02:17:04.453
<v Mike Benner>Um, we are human, uh, at the end of the day.

1084
02:17:05.079 --> 02:17:07.134
<v Mike Benner>Uh, this is an evolving, um, process.

1085
02:17:07.808 --> 02:17:18.334
<v Mike Benner>Um, we're open to feedback, but, um, I think at the end of the day, uh, what we put out there is, um, as close to, uh, factual, um, as, as it can be.

1086
02:17:18.559 --> 02:17:20.197
<v Mike Benner>But again, it, it's a work in progress.

1087
02:17:20.325 --> 02:17:21.352
<v Mike Benner>We're about 10 videos in.

1088
02:17:21.770 --> 02:17:40.431
<v Mike Benner>Um, unfortunately working on our 11th right Thank you, Chair Novick.

1089
02:17:40.495 --> 02:17:41.161
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Chief.

1090
02:17:41.307 --> 02:17:42.994
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Mike, for being here, and Bree as well.

1091
02:17:43.456 --> 02:17:45.619
<v Sameer Kanal>Appreciate everybody from PSAP involved as well.

1092
02:17:46.058 --> 02:17:50.083
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, thanks for the, the chance to talk about this because I think it's, it's come up.

1093
02:17:50.323 --> 02:17:51.734
<v Sameer Kanal>I just want to give a little context.

1094
02:17:52.551 --> 02:18:00.154
<v Sameer Kanal>After Damon Lamar Johnson was killed in June 2025, our office started asking about a BWC footage release policy.

1095
02:18:00.329 --> 02:18:05.734
<v Sameer Kanal>It appears that there was no policy, either of the directive or SOP type, in existence at that time.

1096
02:18:06.921 --> 02:18:08.861
<v Sameer Kanal>So just wanted to give that context.

1097
02:18:09.005 --> 02:18:12.549
<v Sameer Kanal>I know that Portland is the last major city to have body-worn cameras.

1098
02:18:12.918 --> 02:18:18.757
<v Sameer Kanal>I can't speak to what happened before 2020, but I started working at the city in 2021 and started to get information.

1099
02:18:18.886 --> 02:18:24.806
<v Sameer Kanal>I know there's been a lot of simplistic narratives out there that the reason for that was, um, was police pushback.

1100
02:18:25.287 --> 02:18:29.024
<v Sameer Kanal>That is not what I saw, uh, in 2021 and beyond.

1101
02:18:29.602 --> 02:18:32.025
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I can't again speak to earlier than that.

1102
02:18:32.490 --> 02:18:38.218
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I know that there were a lot of details to work out, and, um, I remember seeing several LOAs, uh, in the contract.

1103
02:18:38.522 --> 02:18:41.555
<v Sameer Kanal>The final policy, I believe, was in an LOA with the letter of agreement with the PPD.

1104
02:18:42.700 --> 02:18:46.328
<v Sameer Kanal>That sort of was the first 13, 14 points of policy on this.

1105
02:18:48.780 --> 02:19:01.476
<v Sameer Kanal>And I noted that in that process, PCEP noted this too, that pre-review was an unsettled question entering that and exiting that, but a lot of the other things got an answer and that can be iterated on, improved upon.

1106
02:19:02.639 --> 02:19:06.218
<v Sameer Kanal>That policy didn't include anything about releases by PPB.

1107
02:19:06.282 --> 02:19:08.174
<v Sameer Kanal>That information I've been trying to get.

1108
02:19:08.224 --> 02:19:08.725
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's a good point.

1109
02:19:08.950 --> 02:19:10.855
<v Sameer Kanal>I get, as I mentioned, since July.

1110
02:19:11.449 --> 02:19:24.459
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we had a meeting in the Rose Room with CA Jordan, Chief Day, Sergeant Allen was there as well, I think DC Akazi at the time, and asked about this policy because we were, we were given a pre-showing a few hours before the press conference.

1111
02:19:24.666 --> 02:19:29.538
<v Sameer Kanal>And at the, um, at the, the pre-review, we saw the edited narrated version.

1112
02:19:30.194 --> 02:19:33.912
<v Sameer Kanal>And then I went to the press conference because I wasn't sure what was going to be shown there.

1113
02:19:34.521 --> 02:19:37.709
<v Sameer Kanal>And the, the exact same video was shown followed by the sequential Yes.

1114
02:19:37.805 --> 02:19:44.211
<v Sameer Kanal>And then there was a sequential release at that point of the— I believe there were 3 officer body-worn camera footages.

1115
02:19:44.340 --> 02:19:48.819
<v Sameer Kanal>It was about 20 minutes in length each, so about an hour of total footage after that.

1116
02:19:48.884 --> 02:20:03.077
<v Sameer Kanal>They were presented sequentially, so you'd see a full-screen version of each officer's in turn, as opposed to, for those who've seen like a security camera footage, the sort of split screen, or if you're watching online, you might see the zoom like that as well.

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02:20:03.272 --> 02:20:03.496
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1118
02:20:04.138 --> 02:20:04.299
<v Sameer Kanal>As well.

1119
02:20:04.396 --> 02:20:06.019
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we followed up.

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02:20:06.083 --> 02:20:11.046
<v Sameer Kanal>We didn't, uh, get any, um, information about a, uh, standardization of that.

1121
02:20:11.528 --> 02:20:18.691
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I followed up after the footage of Eric Scherer was released in March 2026, which had a different, um, a different process for that.

1122
02:20:19.174 --> 02:20:20.700
<v Sameer Kanal>We sent an email on March 3rd.

1123
02:20:20.763 --> 02:20:24.361
<v Sameer Kanal>We got a March 4th response saying the PPB was working on responses.

1124
02:20:24.796 --> 02:20:29.100
<v Sameer Kanal>We followed up with sort of put a finer point on the questions on March 7th and didn't Thank you.

1125
02:20:29.291 --> 02:20:30.286
<v Sameer Kanal>We hear information in response.

1126
02:20:30.334 --> 02:20:31.631
<v Sameer Kanal>This is all 2026.

1127
02:20:32.256 --> 02:20:39.628
<v Sameer Kanal>And so we followed up with Chief, uh, with CA Lee, sorry, on September 29th following the death but prior to the body-worn camera release of Eddie Campbell.

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02:20:40.814 --> 02:20:43.746
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and we got a response on October 5th, still prior to the release.

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<v Sameer Kanal>His response was really helpful, and I appreciate that it responded to things other than the request for a written policy.

1130
02:20:49.949 --> 02:20:58.618
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, this, this item, this presentation item, today's agenda, was published on Friday, Thank you.

1131
02:20:58.843 --> 02:21:15.138
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just wanted to note that and also note that on page 3 of it, it says that it was originally published on September 1st, 2025, about a month and a half after I asked the first question in the Rose Room and 13 and a half months prior to the public presentation being put out.

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02:21:16.549 --> 02:21:19.538
<v Sameer Kanal>It also notes that the policy was revised on October 5th, 2026.

1133
02:21:19.966 --> 02:21:28.961
<v Sameer Kanal>So to get that out there, and then to— in terms of content, um, we— what we've been asking for since July 2025 is in service of building community trust.

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02:21:29.106 --> 02:21:40.203
<v Sameer Kanal>So the questions were about if there's a standard practice of council notification about the, the fact that a police shooting, uh, or in-custody death or other critical incident occurred.

1135
02:21:40.653 --> 02:21:44.422
<v Sameer Kanal>That does not appear to be captured in this policy because it might be outside of the scope.

1136
02:21:44.998 --> 02:21:54.930
<v Sameer Kanal>Is there a written policy Yeah, a couple things, Councilor.

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02:21:54.930 --> 02:21:57.889
<v Bob Day>First of all, um, the timeline you outlined is correct.

1138
02:21:57.889 --> 02:22:06.639
<v Bob Day>I apologize, we have had this since September 25th, and whether just oversight— was no withholding, it was just I thought it had gone across.

1139
02:22:06.770 --> 02:22:11.850
<v Bob Day>I knew you'd ask for it, so I apologize for that, um, because that's, you know, always something that we want to make sure that we're doing.

1140
02:22:12.256 --> 02:22:13.235
<v Bob Day>Yes.

1141
02:22:14.261 --> 02:22:15.735
<v Bob Day>That was a mistake on our part.

1142
02:22:16.665 --> 02:22:21.426
<v Bob Day>And you're correct that we didn't have a policy in place when, you know, when Mr. Johnson passed.

1143
02:22:21.490 --> 02:22:23.702
<v Bob Day>It was, you know, shortsightedness once again.

1144
02:22:23.799 --> 02:22:29.474
<v Bob Day>We had a robust policy, as I said, directed, but we didn't think about, you know, the release piece of it.

1145
02:22:29.522 --> 02:22:37.264
<v Bob Day>So certainly some of your initiative around that led to, obviously led to the creation of that policy.

1146
02:22:37.329 --> 02:22:39.095
<v Bob Day>You know, of this policy.

1147
02:22:39.352 --> 02:22:49.376
<v Bob Day>And the revision that was done just a couple weeks ago was at the behest of the city administrator, who asked that, you know, we put in the 8-hour prior notification and some other things.

1148
02:22:49.471 --> 02:22:53.038
<v Bob Day>So that's the, that's the revision part of it that we sent over.

1149
02:22:53.102 --> 02:22:56.379
<v Bob Day>So I'm committed to being more transparent in that going through—.

1150
02:22:56.476 --> 02:22:57.038
<v Bob Day>Going forward.

1151
02:22:57.359 --> 02:23:06.361
<v Bob Day>In terms of council notifications, in our directive regarding critical incidents, I'm required, or my designee is required to notify the city administrator and the mayor.

1152
02:23:06.970 --> 02:23:15.368
<v Bob Day>And whether explicitly or so, we've been— I know there's been a number of times where the city administrator has asked me to provide information that he can pass along to council.

1153
02:23:15.415 --> 02:23:21.057
<v Bob Day>So I'm trusting that's still the, the pathway, but we haven't written that down anywhere since the new council's come on board.

1154
02:23:21.104 --> 02:23:22.114
<v Bob Day>And you want to address that, sir?

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02:23:22.274 --> 02:23:33.773
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, and that will always be my direction anytime there's an officer-involved shooting or incident that I know is going to pick up any media presence or anything like that, that we're making council aware of this.

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02:23:33.838 --> 02:23:39.234
<v Unidentified speaker>I would hate for you to get a camera put in your face and you're not aware of what has taken place.

1157
02:23:39.314 --> 02:23:46.539
<v Unidentified speaker>So that will always be my practice as city administrator when we have these type of incidents to try to get in front of council.

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02:23:46.603 --> 02:23:54.454
<v Unidentified speaker>And I think this council has seen that in my communication to them, making sure that they are aware of these incidents as they, as they take place.

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02:23:55.997 --> 02:23:59.820
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I think that's accurate, and I appreciate the practice.

1160
02:24:00.093 --> 02:24:06.712
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm also asking about the policy side because, you know, hopefully our systems are more resilient than any of the 3 of us still being here.

1161
02:24:07.324 --> 02:24:08.930
<v Bob Day>Do we want to add that into the SOP?

1162
02:24:09.075 --> 02:24:10.472
<v Bob Day>Are you suggesting that, or—.

1163
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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not sure if this one's about release of footage, so it might be a better place somewhere else.

1164
02:24:14.729 --> 02:24:16.818
<v Sameer Kanal>I was just curious if it existed in writing somewhere.

1165
02:24:16.947 --> 02:24:21.397
<v Bob Day>In the directive, I'm required to notify the mayor and the CA for these Category 1 force incidents.

1166
02:24:21.733 --> 02:24:24.972
<v Bob Day>So, but it's not written down anywhere specifically right now.

1167
02:24:25.037 --> 02:24:25.809
<v Bob Day>We can work on that.

1168
02:24:26.792 --> 02:24:27.534
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1169
02:24:28.405 --> 02:24:36.153
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so I, I think the other thing you referred to, Chief, is the, um, the standard practice of council review.

1170
02:24:36.459 --> 02:24:37.602
<v Sameer Kanal>That's Part 9A.

1171
02:24:37.699 --> 02:24:40.760
<v Sameer Kanal>Is that the part that got added on October 5th of this year?

1172
02:24:40.841 --> 02:24:43.745
<v Bob Day>Uh, I'd have to go back and look at that.

1173
02:24:45.021 --> 02:24:46.118
<v Mike Benner>It's the 8 hours.

1174
02:24:47.923 --> 02:24:55.819
<v Mike Benner>Yes, trying to get you guys an adequate amount of time to see it and review it so you know what's coming, say, 8, 9, 10 hours later.

1175
02:24:55.980 --> 02:24:56.174
<v Steve Novick>Yes.

1176
02:24:56.222 --> 02:24:56.884
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that.

1177
02:24:56.932 --> 02:25:01.944
<v Sameer Kanal>And I know that that was practice for the Eddie Campbell release.

1178
02:25:02.317 --> 02:25:04.948
<v Sameer Kanal>So I appreciate that being put down.

1179
02:25:06.579 --> 02:25:11.576
<v Sameer Kanal>The other pieces, so, and I'm just gonna run through them because I think there are a lot here.

1180
02:25:11.721 --> 02:25:15.895
<v Sameer Kanal>So there's, we asked for footage to be released unedited and without narration.

1181
02:25:17.525 --> 02:25:19.581
<v Sameer Kanal>To have clarity on when footage begins.

1182
02:25:20.093 --> 02:25:36.352
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'll notice when, when Damon Lamar Johnson footage was released, there is, uh, pre, uh, footage where the officers are on Lombard, I believe, uh, kind of— you, you can see through the, the windshield the Taco Bell sign there, um, and they're, uh, across the street from it, and, um, they're getting the call.

1183
02:25:36.850 --> 02:26:01.958
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so you, you have an understanding of what they thought they were entering, which I think is really helpful for the public, um, because in that particular case, the framing of that call— it's not 911 and it's not the police, it's, it's actually a security guard at the facility making a call and, you know, referring to, um, Damon Lamar Johnson, uh, as a gorilla and impersonating a gorilla in that call.

1184
02:26:02.711 --> 02:26:08.540
<v Sameer Kanal>That is helpful context for the public to know what was given to officers, because that had nothing to do with Yes.

1185
02:26:08.717 --> 02:26:09.584
<v Sameer Kanal>Any city employee at all.

1186
02:26:10.819 --> 02:26:14.319
<v Sameer Kanal>Whereas some of the later footage releases start later.

1187
02:26:15.316 --> 02:26:17.274
<v Sameer Kanal>They start with arrival on the scene.

1188
02:26:17.885 --> 02:26:21.145
<v Sameer Kanal>Similarly, there's a question as to when does footage end.

1189
02:26:21.513 --> 02:26:33.025
<v Sameer Kanal>So there is an intertitle, a screen overlay with text written on it in the release of Eddie Campbell footage that says, despite life-saving care, Mr. Campbell died at the scene.

1190
02:26:34.503 --> 02:26:36.029
<v Sameer Kanal>The footage cuts off before that.

1191
02:26:37.231 --> 02:26:42.417
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that part, which ostensibly is in the footage somewhere, is not a part of the release.

1192
02:26:42.851 --> 02:26:48.967
<v Sameer Kanal>Whereas in some of the others, it has gone on maybe a little longer afterwards, maybe not all the way through that period.

1193
02:26:49.014 --> 02:26:51.005
<v Sameer Kanal>And it's certainly different for each situation.

1194
02:26:51.199 --> 02:26:53.525
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to acknowledge that, how long after.

1195
02:26:53.686 --> 02:26:56.384
<v Sameer Kanal>But so that's another thing.

1196
02:26:57.202 --> 02:27:05.876
<v Sameer Kanal>In the policy, and I will just kind of ask here, Part 6, Let me do that.

1197
02:27:06.683 --> 02:27:17.674
<v Sameer Kanal>In the event of a large-scale incident involving numerous officers with the same angle, the decision will be made in coordination with the Chief's Office how many camera angles to include.

1198
02:27:20.320 --> 02:27:22.684
<v Sameer Kanal>And I fully recognize the next line is important here too.

1199
02:27:22.846 --> 02:27:26.522
<v Sameer Kanal>This will be done recognizing the length of the video as well as the workload that it would create for redaction.

1200
02:27:27.726 --> 02:27:45.979
<v Sameer Kanal>So that implies that, you know, after the 14-day period when that release occurs, that if there were multiple officers at the incident, that not all the video from each— the officers whose videos are released, it will be released, but not all officers will have their video released.

1201
02:27:46.109 --> 02:27:48.245
<v Sameer Kanal>Is that an accurate reading of that, and can you speak to that?

1202
02:27:48.775 --> 02:27:57.697
<v Bob Day>So just to put it into simple terms, if we have 5 officers And we make the decision in the narrated version to release 3.

1203
02:27:58.554 --> 02:28:03.257
<v Bob Day>Your question is, when the entire raw footage review is released, is it 3 or 5?

1204
02:28:04.101 --> 02:28:05.557
<v Bob Day>You want to know if it's everyone.

1205
02:28:07.417 --> 02:28:07.824
<v Bob Day>Yeah.

1206
02:28:08.132 --> 02:28:10.990
<v Bob Day>My understanding, it would be all 5, but I'm just—.

1207
02:28:10.990 --> 02:28:14.433
<v Mike Benner>Yeah, we will do our very best to include all of them.

1208
02:28:14.564 --> 02:28:26.259
<v Mike Benner>For instance, the one, to give you a little bit of a peek behind the curtain, 'cause we're starting to work on one right now, there was one officer involved, as we've reported publicly, and then there was 2 other nearby.

1209
02:28:26.435 --> 02:28:29.197
<v Mike Benner>So we'll be including that to try to give an extra perspective.

1210
02:28:29.951 --> 02:28:36.308
<v Mike Benner>But then there's times where we'll find that the incident happens in one location and around the corner is another officer.

1211
02:28:36.356 --> 02:28:51.609
<v Mike Benner>So at some point, you have to just acknowledge that that camera isn't useful, but also understand that all cameras and video is available to the public at any point once the investigation is closed.

1212
02:28:51.704 --> 02:29:08.628
<v Mike Benner>So anyone could get more if they But that's why— where this is an evolving process where we believe in every, uh, one that we've had, which is 10 to this point and working on 11, that we're including all relevant cameras to the actual incident itself, if that makes sense.

1213
02:29:09.431 --> 02:29:10.924
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so I appreciate that.

1214
02:29:10.971 --> 02:29:14.022
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to just follow up on, uh, 2 parts here.

1215
02:29:14.120 --> 02:29:19.932
<v Sameer Kanal>So the first 2 sentences of this says the videographer will edit the narrated version following that be raw footage.

1216
02:29:20.364 --> 02:29:33.088
<v Sameer Kanal>It's— so to Chief Day's point first, um, I'm not sure which one the allowance in the rest of that paragraph is for reducing the number, uh, for, for determining what's relevant or not subjectively.

1217
02:29:33.939 --> 02:29:40.278
<v Sameer Kanal>So in other words, I'm not sure if, if all the rest of that text applies to the narrated version or to the full sequential release.

1218
02:29:40.984 --> 02:30:07.640
<v Mike Benner>We— if I may, the part, the video that comes in the unedited portion of of our presentation are the cameras that were used to put together the narrated piece so that community knows that while we might be in the narrated piece taking bits and pieces of it to put it together for an understanding, that ultimately from a 30,000-foot view, it has not been manipulated.

1219
02:30:08.234 --> 02:30:24.889
<v Mike Benner>That what you see in the un— uh, narrated portion, uh, unedited And the reason we do that is research shows that somebody's attention span is 40 to 47 seconds.

1220
02:30:25.709 --> 02:30:30.188
<v Mike Benner>And we owe it to our community to give them an understanding.

1221
02:30:30.477 --> 02:30:35.068
<v Mike Benner>At least we believe it's our responsibility to give them an understanding of what happened.

1222
02:30:35.117 --> 02:30:39.274
<v Mike Benner>Because in some of these— I don't know if it was Damon Lamar Johnson, but in a couple of these videos, the officer is not even in the video.

1223
02:30:39.307 --> 02:30:39.548
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

1224
02:30:42.745 --> 02:30:42.875
<v Kaya Sand>Yes.

1225
02:30:42.940 --> 02:30:50.291
<v Mike Benner>And I think it would be an incredibly, um, big ask of us to dump that on community without any understanding.

1226
02:30:50.388 --> 02:30:56.593
<v Mike Benner>And something else, Councilor, that we're seeing, um, which is troubling to us, is third-party companies coming in.

1227
02:30:57.030 --> 02:31:05.158
<v Mike Benner>We, we just saw it over the last week, wanting access to our raw so that they can, in other words, play with it and make their own account of what happened.

1228
02:31:05.856 --> 02:31:07.762
<v Mike Benner>And we have a responsibility to level set.

1229
02:31:08.263 --> 02:31:21.520
<v Mike Benner>And I think that's kind of where we get to this stage of we have a narrated piece and an unnarrated piece so that community has a choice on what part, you know, they want to watch.

1230
02:31:22.120 --> 02:31:28.995
<v Bob Day>But to your point, Councilor, are you recommending that if there's 5 videos, we'll use 3 for the narration, we at least have all 5 as the raw footage?

1231
02:31:29.059 --> 02:31:29.911
<v Bob Day>That's what I hear you saying.

1232
02:31:30.328 --> 02:31:36.156
<v Sameer Kanal>I think with relation to the clarity of this paragraph, that's Being clear about which that is is step 1.

1233
02:31:36.299 --> 02:31:37.730
<v Sameer Kanal>Step 2 is what you just said, Chief.

1234
02:31:37.875 --> 02:31:44.334
<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, as I've indicated outside of here, and I'll mention now, I actually don't believe that there should be a narrative version at all, right?

1235
02:31:44.398 --> 02:31:48.625
<v Sameer Kanal>But certainly releasing all of it, because as you know, investigations can take a while.

1236
02:31:49.042 --> 02:31:50.810
<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, we're not measuring in weeks at that point.

1237
02:31:51.131 --> 02:31:55.824
<v Bob Day>We'll make a note of that and then go back and, and have a conversation about, you know, what that looks like.

1238
02:31:55.952 --> 02:32:02.354
<v Bob Day>Um, and as Mike mentioned, I mean, ultimately through the public Public records are processed, anything ultimately can become available.

1239
02:32:02.420 --> 02:32:06.433
<v Bob Day>But in the purpose of, you know, wanting to be transparent with folks, I understand what you're saying.

1240
02:32:07.031 --> 02:32:07.549
<v Bob Day>Thank you for that.

1241
02:32:07.889 --> 02:32:08.665
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that.

1242
02:32:11.186 --> 02:32:17.433
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, when I imagine this is— this next one is based on how many angles, because it is different if it's 3, 5, or 20.

1243
02:32:18.030 --> 02:32:42.834
<v Sameer Kanal>But the choice of whether or not to release it as sequential full screen versus a split screen I've seen, for example, in some of the— around the country, that there is— media has done it in some cases, but the city itself has released in other cases where it's time-aligned so that if you're not getting the right angle here, you can go back 10 seconds and watch this side, as opposed to hunting for the timestamp.

1244
02:32:43.299 --> 02:32:45.033
<v Sameer Kanal>That doesn't appear to be directly addressed in here.

1245
02:32:45.307 --> 02:32:46.623
<v Sameer Kanal>Is there a policy related to that?

1246
02:32:46.688 --> 02:32:47.731
<v Sameer Kanal>How does that decision get made?

1247
02:32:47.971 --> 02:32:49.336
<v Mike Benner>We don't have a policy on that.

1248
02:32:49.481 --> 02:32:50.524
<v Mike Benner>I think that's something we could look at.

1249
02:32:50.621 --> 02:32:52.579
<v Mike Benner>Could discuss offline.

1250
02:32:52.933 --> 02:32:58.939
<v Mike Benner>I think where— and maybe where you're coming at is the Damon Lamar Johnson one, I don't think had the multiple boxes.

1251
02:32:59.516 --> 02:33:04.605
<v Mike Benner>Quite frankly, again, this is where it's difficult because what we're doing is trying to do our best.

1252
02:33:04.686 --> 02:33:09.149
<v Mike Benner>When we look at those videos and we're putting this together, there was an obvious struggle.

1253
02:33:09.230 --> 02:33:16.295
<v Mike Benner>For anyone in the room or anyone watching that is familiar with that video and that incident, there was a struggle in Mr. Johnson's apartment.

1254
02:33:17.018 --> 02:33:21.244
<v Mike Benner>And when you put 4 cameras up at the same time, it was very confusing.

1255
02:33:21.356 --> 02:33:22.305
<v Mike Benner>It was very jarring.

1256
02:33:22.818 --> 02:33:25.663
<v Mike Benner>So the decision was made not to put those up at the same time.

1257
02:33:25.711 --> 02:33:32.171
<v Mike Benner>But again, all 4 videos, if that is it— I don't have it in front of me how many officers were involved in that one.

1258
02:33:32.218 --> 02:33:33.441
<v Mike Benner>I think 4 or 3.

1259
02:33:34.131 --> 02:33:35.802
<v Mike Benner>The raw comes right after it.

1260
02:33:36.638 --> 02:33:41.731
<v Mike Benner>But again, we had a simultaneous one where we had them side by side a couple weeks ago.

1261
02:33:41.811 --> 02:33:42.004
<v Mike Benner>Thank you.

1262
02:33:42.744 --> 02:33:44.445
<v Mike Benner>My intention is to do that again with this one.

1263
02:33:44.494 --> 02:33:49.858
<v Mike Benner>It was just looking out for the people watching this and trying to think, will they even understand what's happening?

1264
02:33:49.906 --> 02:34:01.597
<v Mike Benner>So again, we're— it's an evolving process, and we're doing our very best to give the community the best look and understanding of what happened prior to them looking at the unedited portion, if they, if they choose to.

1265
02:34:02.272 --> 02:34:03.058
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thanks.

1266
02:34:03.138 --> 02:34:12.540
<v Sameer Kanal>And then the last kind of content question I have: in the slides and in the policy, it talks about the possibility of blurring Right.

1267
02:34:12.588 --> 02:34:12.846
<v Sameer Kanal>You, you—.

1268
02:34:12.927 --> 02:34:14.635
<v Sameer Kanal>And it talks about blurring faces, for example.

1269
02:34:15.568 --> 02:34:27.369
<v Sameer Kanal>In the Eddie Campbell footage, um, there is a large rectangular black box placed over that covers most of, or all of at times, the silhouette of both Mr. Campbell and Kylo.

1270
02:34:28.466 --> 02:34:35.247
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and so I know that there's minimum standards for redaction in state law, but my curiosity is about the type and choice of redaction.

1271
02:34:36.825 --> 02:34:53.527
<v Sameer Kanal>Which sometimes can make it obviously it's hard to watch in any of these cases, and I should take the time to acknowledge here that obviously everybody involved in this—it's not that there can be a lot of secondary trauma associated with watching and editing, and a lot of these folks are you know videographers, right?

1272
02:34:53.591 --> 02:34:56.736
<v Sameer Kanal>These are professional staff as non-sworn as well who are affected by it.

1273
02:34:56.783 --> 02:34:58.067
<v Sameer Kanal>So I did want to note that.

1274
02:34:59.030 --> 02:35:00.779
<v Sameer Kanal>How does the choice get made of how to?

1275
02:35:06.069 --> 02:35:07.479
<v Mike Benner>Yeah, appreciate that.

1276
02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:10.899
<v Mike Benner>Uh, the redaction starts in our records department— it's a division.

1277
02:35:10.899 --> 02:35:12.190
<v Mike Benner>It's not even in the comms.

1278
02:35:12.520 --> 02:35:15.379
<v Mike Benner>Um, so, uh, I think it's somewhere in the policy.

1279
02:35:15.879 --> 02:35:17.559
<v Mike Benner>Um, if not, we can add it.

1280
02:35:17.559 --> 02:35:32.646
<v Mike Benner>But one of the, one of the first, uh, uh, things we do out of the gate is when we get access to it, when my team gets access to the body-worn camera footage, we immediately go through it and we look for anything that we think is It also gets sent to the Records Division and they handle the redactions.

1281
02:35:33.335 --> 02:35:38.726
<v Mike Benner>So that would be something we'd have to bring in someone from our Records Division to kind of get into the weeds on that.

1282
02:35:38.774 --> 02:35:42.463
<v Mike Benner>I'd be misspeaking if I went any further, and I think Chief would be too.

1283
02:35:42.704 --> 02:35:45.994
<v Bob Day>Yeah, I'm happy to ask in that particular case.

1284
02:35:46.475 --> 02:35:54.335
<v Bob Day>You know, my assumption was just to, you know, out of respect for, like you said, the trauma of, you know, watching anyone die was my assumption when I watched the video.

1285
02:35:54.416 --> 02:35:58.286
<v Bob Day>But that's certainly a question we can dig down Yeah, I appreciate that.

1286
02:35:58.350 --> 02:36:04.597
<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, I, I guess really big picture to kind of begin to wrap up here, because I know I've gone on for a bit.

1287
02:36:05.400 --> 02:36:08.726
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I'm, I'm trying to understand.

1288
02:36:09.770 --> 02:36:14.653
<v Sameer Kanal>So the, the purpose of release is in part to inform, right?

1289
02:36:14.975 --> 02:36:20.163
<v Sameer Kanal>But I also believe it's, it's partially to help build public trust in 2 different things.

1290
02:36:20.290 --> 02:36:27.700
<v Sameer Kanal>Ideally, the institution of city as being transparent, our core value, inclusive of the police bureau but broadly the city.

1291
02:36:28.438 --> 02:36:50.120
<v Sameer Kanal>And then depending on the nature of the content in the post-incident evaluation by police or whatever other entity is doing the review, you know, IPR, eventually CBPA, um, that there is sufficient information to do that and that it's being presented in a way that allows for, um, evaluation Potentially investigation, depending on the nature of it, right?

1292
02:36:50.799 --> 02:36:53.843
<v Sameer Kanal>And so, and I'm seeing you nod, and I appreciate that.

1293
02:36:53.891 --> 02:36:55.333
<v Sameer Kanal>I think we're all on the same page there.

1294
02:36:55.397 --> 02:37:02.740
<v Sameer Kanal>I think, and I recognize that the people that are probably talking to each of us in this room are probably different about it.

1295
02:37:03.176 --> 02:37:13.440
<v Sameer Kanal>What I hear about public trust is that it is diminished by the release of a narration, especially given, and I, you know, I'll note the unit is called Strategic Communications.

1296
02:37:13.487 --> 02:37:13.635
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1297
02:37:14.217 --> 02:37:18.497
<v Sameer Kanal>Communications unit, right, in, in the, in the document.

1298
02:37:18.882 --> 02:37:26.836
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that, that begs the question— this is a, this is, you know, paraphrasing things that have come to me— of, you know, strategic for whom, right?

1299
02:37:26.965 --> 02:37:29.353
<v Sameer Kanal>What does it mean to be communicated with strategically?

1300
02:37:30.172 --> 02:37:33.395
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and so that's one piece.

1301
02:37:33.476 --> 02:37:40.594
<v Sameer Kanal>In, in part, uh, 4 of the policy, it talks about the script being factual, neutral, and unbiased.

1302
02:37:40.772 --> 02:37:45.325
<v Sameer Kanal>But I'm not sure who outside of the police bureau is determining that.

1303
02:37:46.625 --> 02:37:48.308
<v Sameer Kanal>And this is different from the disclaimer.

1304
02:37:48.389 --> 02:37:48.934
<v Sameer Kanal>This is different.

1305
02:37:49.014 --> 02:37:51.805
<v Sameer Kanal>There was a Google Earth zoom-in at the beginning.

1306
02:37:52.157 --> 02:37:53.858
<v Sameer Kanal>Like, I don't think anybody's got an issue with that.

1307
02:37:53.922 --> 02:37:56.648
<v Sameer Kanal>Like, that's contextualizing where the event occurred.

1308
02:37:57.193 --> 02:38:00.995
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, I'm not— this isn't about everything that's being done in the editing process, just to be clear.

1309
02:38:02.004 --> 02:38:06.543
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think, you know, the disclaimer that says, like, number 7, I haven't Thank you.

1310
02:38:06.592 --> 02:38:08.227
<v Sameer Kanal>I haven't heard any complaints from anybody about that.

1311
02:38:09.301 --> 02:38:19.950
<v Sameer Kanal>But in terms of the narration piece, which could be, I think, improved depending on how it's— you mentioned, Chief, the San Diego option of having it be a captioner, Chiron or something.

1312
02:38:20.625 --> 02:38:28.002
<v Sameer Kanal>But I'm curious about that piece of it, as well as the sort of subjectivity that goes into determining if angles are different.

1313
02:38:28.467 --> 02:38:32.844
<v Sameer Kanal>I watched an event on video that was stitched together by media.

1314
02:38:33.149 --> 02:38:35.121
<v Sameer Kanal>It was not a police-related event.

1315
02:38:35.218 --> 02:38:44.985
<v Sameer Kanal>It occurred in um, Seattle in 2020 where there was a, uh, shooting that was captured by several cameras, um, some of which were around the corner.

1316
02:38:45.724 --> 02:38:48.697
<v Sameer Kanal>And the audio of that was actually in the video.

1317
02:38:48.792 --> 02:39:05.501
<v Sameer Kanal>This is people's cell phone footage that was stitched together by, uh, a media, um, I can't remember which station, um, but they, they basically— that context was helpful for if you're trying to have an understanding of the situation, especially, especially if if the— there was probably a reason the officer was around the corner, right?

1318
02:39:05.596 --> 02:39:07.475
<v Sameer Kanal>Something either was there or they were on their way to it.

1319
02:39:07.731 --> 02:39:09.978
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm just trying to understand that piece of it.

1320
02:39:10.058 --> 02:39:19.111
<v Sameer Kanal>Like, where is the third— where is the people outside of the Bureau checking on what is the, the neutral, factual, objective, unbiased— I can't remember all 3 words.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm going to cut in here, um, because I know the chief has a hard stop at 12:15.

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<v Steve Novick>I want to make sure that Councilor Smith has a chance to ask her question, and then, uh, could you go ahead and Answer, answer both councilors' questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>Uh, question, do you release a video of some sort to the family before we actually see it?

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<v Mike Benner>Yes, that's part of our policy, is to show the family of the individual involved, um, the video before it goes out so that they're prepared.

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<v Bob Day>Okay, thank Councilor Knol, so I really appreciate your recognition of the fact that this is complex and the people you're talking to or I'm talking to or otherwise is going to be as varied as the city is itself.

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<v Bob Day>Given the massive amount of data that comes in now because of these cameras, it is an ever-evolving process.

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<v Bob Day>Thank you.

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<v Bob Day>I know I've said that a couple times, but I want to highlight that the Police Bureau is a learning organization.

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<v Bob Day>We've demonstrated that.

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<v Bob Day>We will continue to demonstrate that.

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<v Bob Day>In terms of the subjectivity, there will always be a level of subjectivity.

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<v Bob Day>We try to, by using the city administrator, by using the mayor's office, by using the district attorney, we try to use other voices to be available to us to influence what is going out.

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<v Bob Day>And as I said in this last Thank you.

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<v Bob Day>I really appreciated CA Lee's comments where we made adjustments.

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<v Bob Day>So people are leaning in.

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<v Bob Day>And then after each one, we do have an evaluation.

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<v Bob Day>We do seek feedback, and we do both internally and we hear from people externally.

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<v Bob Day>So it's going to continue to be a work in progress.

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<v Bob Day>The input that you've offered today, as well as others that I'm sure are watching and PCAPS feedback, et cetera, we're going to continue to evolve.

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<v Bob Day>I just feel strongly in the importance of providing some level of context to this very critical, very essential event that Portlanders need to have, knowing the huge responsibility that comes with it.

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<v Bob Day>Not just the actions, but the responsibility that comes with the messaging to it.

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<v Bob Day>So, you know, we'll continue to take this into consideration and work on it that way.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm going to ask the PSAP folks to come back Actually, have all of you— here's my question.

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<v Steve Novick>Has there been any discussion, or could there be any discussion about the Bureau sort of engaging with PCAP on looking over the narratives and, you know, giving suggestions as to how the narratives might, you know, if you see any suggestions you think might be made about how the narratives might be changed?

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<v Steve Novick>Um, just has there been some back and forth between PCAP and the Bureau about the narratives that you've seen so far?

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<v Bob Day>Historically, no, that has not been part of the process, Councilor.

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<v Kip Silverman>Yeah, I, I can, I can address that.

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<v Kip Silverman>Kip Silverman again.

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<v Kip Silverman>Um, we, uh, questions about body-worn camera in the town hall we had on Damon Lamar Johnson, a lot of these topics came up.

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<v Kip Silverman>Yes.

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<v Kip Silverman>Of how things were put out there, how the reaction from the community, whether it met the needs.

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<v Kip Silverman>We engage with PPB frequently throughout our meetings.

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<v Kip Silverman>We have liaisons that show up.

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<v Kip Silverman>They are a party to, I think, nearly every meeting that I've been involved in.

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<v Kip Silverman>We have not had a revisit Other than some conversations that we've had about details revolving different events.

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<v Kip Silverman>But absolutely, I feel there's opportunity here, and Gabby can agree with me or not, that there's an opportunity here for future recommendation and conversation.

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<v Steve Novick>Yeah, I mean, what I'm envisioning is that we would have a public comment period I mean, that there can be sort of an ongoing dialogue where you take a look at the video with the narration and you sort of share your feedback with the Bureau on here's recommendations we make to make the narration more informative, you know, more objective, et cetera.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I appreciate that question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for the response.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I didn't get a chance to respond to that, Chief Day, to the previous question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I, I, I will note, you know, PCEP is not necessarily the, the community entity that reviews the footage.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, you've got CRC members, the PRB pool as well, that may also be worthwhile, um, in terms of the specific video-by-video kind of review that you're talking about.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I do think PCEP brings a different thing that I wanted to highlight, which is the conversation about the, the broader, um, structure and, and, and sort of approach I think it's fair to ask, you know, what about this video, this particular script, things like that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I don't think PCIP has directly addressed the question yet of should there be a narrated version.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I would— my request, and I'm not trying to supersede Councilor Novick's at all, but my request would be if PCIP could consider that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And, you know, if there's not an interest in it, there's not an interest in it from the members.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's how that goes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Goes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But, you know, because I— and/or if there's a way to do it where what is the sort of primary release is, I think, really important as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's the place where the trust piece comes in, is the idea that the first thing I'm being told is edited versus the idea that the first thing I'm being told is it— I also have a follow-up for you, Mike, because I know you're You have worked on the other side of the releases, and so I'm curious how if you have if that's shaped how you approach this because I imagine that the that there is a risk associated with allowing a third-party entity that's in the in the media to sort of determine what the story is from a large body of video footage.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate the question.

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<v Mike Benner>Just so everyone understands what you might be referring to is my former career.

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<v Mike Benner>I was a— my former life, if you will, was a reporter here at KGW for 15 years.

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<v Mike Benner>I never did put together body-worn camera stories because they came on board after I had been at PPB.

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<v Mike Benner>But I do know in my research of putting this all together, talking to other departments, one that we sat down virtually with a number Times was the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

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<v Mike Benner>And one of the things they said out of the gate, which is something I have seen, uh, since we instituted all of this, was the cadence and the media's understanding of, um, when they're going to get the video.

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<v Mike Benner>So now no one asks anymore because they know it is going to be released 14 days after the incident.

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<v Mike Benner>In fact, it would be a couple days out and someone will send an email saying, hey, you're still releasing this in 2 days?

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<v Mike Benner>I said, we are, it'll, it'll, it'll be there.

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<v Mike Benner>So they're So there's this understanding between media and PPB when they can expect the video.

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<v Mike Benner>I do know, again, kind of like dumping unedited raw footage on the community, it'd be incredibly difficult for media to sift through that amount of footage.

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<v Mike Benner>So I hope that answers that question.

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<v Mike Benner>And then if I may, because I don't think it's been asked directly yet, what we do at PPB or some variation Yes.

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<v Mike Benner>And I think that the context and the presentation of it, at the end of the day, is best practice when you look at all the agencies across the country.

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<v Mike Benner>In fact, in my research, talking to my counterpart at an agency on the East Coast, when I reached out and asked him about this, and I have a wealth of respect for this individual as he's been in the business decades longer than I did, he says, Mike, I do not know of an agency across the country that releases unedited footage without context.

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<v Mike Benner>Ultimately, it is my belief that that, um, it's dangerous and reckless, um, to do so, and that, uh, we'd be taking away, uh, the choice of, of community to see 2 versions, whether it's the narrated because they only have a couple minutes, or hour, hour and a half if they don't.

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<v Mike Benner>So while we're evolving, I, I, I, I think we— I truly believe what we're doing.

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<v Mike Benner>Um, these conversations are great.

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<v Mike Benner>Um, we can fine-tune the process.

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<v Mike Benner>And, and, and as we move forward with more of these, unfortunately.

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<v Mike Benner>But, uh, I do stand by— I think what we do is, I, I believe it is best practice across the country.

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<v Steve Novick>Uh, we've got a hard stop at 12:15.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilor Kanal, do you have 30 seconds?

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<v Steve Novick>Yep.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I appreciate that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll probably follow up with PSET more, but just because I know the chief has, uh, time, at the very beginning you, you noted the distinction between a directive and an SOP.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I guess my question is, if you so chose Because this is an SOP, it would be relatively easy to change it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is that accurate?

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<v Bob Day>Yes, I changed it 2 weeks ago.

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<v Bob Day>Okay.

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<v Bob Day>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Appreciate it.

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<v Mike Benner>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you very much.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, let's see, the next meeting of the committee isn't until November 17th.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm going to be in Nashville for the League of Cities meeting trying to convince other cities to agree that we should announce that we want to buy smart guns for our police forces.

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<v Steve Novick>So Councilor Murillo is going to be running that meeting and is thinking over what the content's going to be.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you all very much.

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<v Steve Novick>And we— this meeting of the Committee and Public Safety Committee is adjourned.

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<v Mike Benner>Council adjourned.

