{ "meetingId": "2026-10-15-fgc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Finance & Governance Committee (Whole) 10/15/26", "displayTitle": "Finance & Governance Committee (Whole)", "date": "2026-10-15T16:31:00-07:00", "duration": 188, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr-9lxuBLjU", "videoId": "sr-9lxuBLjU", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole/2026/10/15", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 1, "title": "Committee Chair updates", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-356" }, { "number": 2, "title": "Adopt the FY 2026-27 Fall Supplemental Budget and make other budget related changes", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/fy-2026-27-fall-supplemental-budget" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Adopt the Budget Calendar for FY 2027-28", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/adopt-budget-calendar-fy-2027-28" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Add Budget and Financial Procedures Code to create and direct the use of a subfund within the General Reserve Fund specific to the City’s Business License Tax revenue (add Code Chapter 5.90)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/adopt-code-chapter-590" }, { "number": 5, "title": "Amend Business License Law Code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO Pay Ratio Surtax and gross receipts exemption amount (amend Code Sections 7.02.400 and 7.02.500)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/fairsharetax" }, { "number": 6, "title": "Street renaming process discussion", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/street-renaming-process-discussion" } ], "summary": "**Portland's Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 12-0 to send the city's fall supplemental budget to the full City Council with a recommendation to pass it, after amending it to add $600,000 for construction pre-apprenticeship programs ([01:48:57](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:48:57)).**\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) chaired the Oct. 15 meeting. A supplemental budget changes spending only for the current fiscal year, City Budget Director Ruth Levine said.\n\n## Pre-apprenticeship money restored\n\nCouncilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) moved an amendment, written with Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4), releasing reserves of the Community Opportunities and Enhancement Program, which funds training for Portlanders entering construction trades. She said councilors had been told \"nothing was going to change, and that's not what happened. There was a pause.\" ([01:11:09](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:11:09)). She first described the amendment as raising funding to $600,000, then clarified that it adds $600,000 to $350,000 the mayor had already included, for **$950,000**, compared with $2.5 million in previous years ([01:29:28](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:29:28)).\n\nRiley Williams of business operations said a two-year agreement with Prosper Portland had run about $2.6 million a year, which incoming revenue could not sustain. Elizabeth Hilt, Business Operations Division Manager, said that at about $900,000 a year the fund would last about five years, but \"at that year 5 of the program, we will be going negative\" ([01:26:00](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:26:00)). Asked by Kanal about the mayor's executive order on diversity, equity and inclusion, a program official said \"That was not a consideration,\" citing \"a significant budget gap\" ([01:30:53](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:30:53)).\n\nThree program directors testified in favor. Courtney Hamilton of Oregon Tradeswomen said, \"We are having layoffs.\" ([01:05:04](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:05:04)) Portland Youth Builders' executive director, who gave her name as Rana, said the group had served almost 200 people with an 85% completion and placement rate over three years. The amendment passed **12-0** ([01:33:50](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:33:50)).\n\n## A $25 million correction\n\nLevine said staff had found an error creating a negative appropriation in the transportation fund, which state budget law forbids: $93 million had been shifted from contingency to reserves, and a fix returns $25 million ([00:25:06](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@00:25:06)). \"Sort of an honest mistake. Somebody was out and we didn't catch it in time,\" she said ([00:26:15](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@00:26:15)). The committee adopted it 11-0, with one member recorded absent ([01:10:46](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:10:46)).\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) asked what the money was for; Jeremy Patton of Public Works said, \"There's nothing specific in that $25 million\" ([00:27:38](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@00:27:38)). Smith requested a report on Portland Bureau of Transportation reserve and contingency funds, saying \"I'm not going to wait for an audit\" ([00:29:02](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@00:29:02)). Levine said councilors had received a spreadsheet of all citywide reserves that will be published in future budget books.\n\n## Budget calendar advances 9-3\n\nThe 2027-28 calendar sets a committee hearing on the mayor's proposed budget for April 22. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said that date \"is probably a problem\" because of holidays, and Pirtle-Guiney said she would vote no \"just to put a marker out there that there is a change that's needed\" ([00:38:44](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@00:38:44)). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2), citing Passover, proposed April 23 or 26. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), a co-sponsor, said he would amend it to the Friday and restore a Thanksgiving break. The referral passed **9-3**, with Zimmerman, Smith and Pirtle-Guiney voting no ([01:50:06](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:50:06)).\n\n## Merit-raise amendment withdrawn\n\nDunphy moved to let the Council Operations manager give staff merit raises with council president approval. Smith objected: \"nobody asked me about whether or not they should have a merit, because I work with them every day.\" ([01:36:02](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:36:02)) As Dunphy responded, she cut in: \"Excuse me, Council President, I don't mean to interrupt, but she does.\" ([01:37:24](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:37:24)) Dunphy withdrew the amendment after Levine said its reference to an earlier ordinance \"should not be there,\" promising to reintroduce it at full Council ([01:40:12](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:40:12)).\n\nSmith then raised \"a point of order\" to note the mayor's hold on merit raises ([01:41:48](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:41:48)). Kanal replied, \"that's not technically a point of order, but you're in the queue, so it's all fine.\" Dunphy said the hold covers the executive branch, not the legislative.\n\n## CEO pay tax debate continues, no vote\n\nThe proposal to raise the business license CEO pay ratio surtax, sponsored by Green, Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3), Kanal, Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3), Dunphy and Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1), would raise the small-business exemption from $100,000 next year to $500,000 in sales. Green said 81% of 251 written comments supported it ([02:08:17](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:08:17)).\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3), who created the original surtax in 2016, said more than a dozen companies would pay over $1 million more a year, and a San Francisco version lost at the ballot despite a $3 million campaign. Asked whether alternatives were exhausted and major unions were on board, he said, \"at this point, I think the answer to both of those questions is no.\" ([02:14:31](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:14:31)) Chief Financial Officer Jonas Biery told Smith the proposal \"has not undergone that review by my office, by the Revenue Division, by the city economist\" for job loss or business flight ([02:44:36](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:44:36)).\n\nMorillo called earlier remarks \"misrepresentations of the policy\" ([02:48:01](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:48:01)). After Morillo said corporations were \"having a very relaxing time in Cabo,\" Pirtle-Guiney answered, \"I have not asked about whether it hurts them\" ([02:32:50](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:32:50)). Ryan warned of Target and Kroger closures: \"How will we feel about adding another food desert in Portland, Oregon by our direct action?\" ([02:54:40](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@02:54:40)) Morillo said the grocery tax would equal 18 cents per $100 in sales ([03:00:38](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@03:00:38)). Ryan said, \"I haven't been convinced to come to the yes side.\" ([03:01:04](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@03:01:04)) When Ryan interjected \"I know that,\" Green replied, \"I know, I know you know that, but I am talking to the public now\" ([03:05:01](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@03:05:01)).\n\n## Other business\n\n- The committee sent an ordinance creating a business license tax stabilization reserve to full Council **12-0** ([01:51:32](meeting:2026-10-15-fgc-1@01:51:32)).\n- Biery said a $10 million budget item tied to tax increment financing \"is not new districts.\"\n- Kanal said city presentations on chemical weapons use, requested since August, have not arrived.\n- The meeting had no general public-comment period.\n\n## What's next\n\n- Levine said a calendar amendment could be proposed \"on the 22nd, which is the next time we're here.\" Dunphy will reintroduce the merit amendment at full Council.\n- The CEO pay tax and street-renaming discussion were continued to dates not yet set; Biery offered an economic impact analysis.\n- The Nov. 5 committee meeting will be virtual while City Hall closes for HVAC upgrades.", "summaryText": "Portland's Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 12-0 to send the city's fall supplemental budget to the full City Council with a recommendation to pass it, after amending it to add $600,000 for construction pre-apprenticeship programs (01:48:57).\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) chaired the Oct. 15 meeting. A supplemental budget changes spending only for the current fiscal year, City Budget Director Ruth Levine said.\n\nCouncilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) moved an amendment, written with Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4), releasing reserves of the Community Opportunities and Enhancement Program, which funds training for Portlanders entering construction trades. She said councilors had been told \"nothing was going to change, and that's not what happened. There was a pause.\" (01:11:09). She first described the amendment as raising funding to $600,000, then clarified that it adds $600,000 to $350,000 the mayor had already included, for $950,000, compared with $2.5 million in previous years (01:29:28).\n\nRiley Williams of business operations said a two-year agreement with Prosper Portland had run about $2.6 million a year, which incoming revenue could not sustain. Elizabeth Hilt, Business Operations Division Manager, said that at about $900,000 a year the fund would last about five years, but \"at that year 5 of the program, we will be going negative\" (01:26:00). Asked by Kanal about the mayor's executive order on diversity, equity and inclusion, a program official said \"That was not a consideration,\" citing \"a significant budget gap\" (01:30:53).\n\nThree program directors testified in favor. Courtney Hamilton of Oregon Tradeswomen said, \"We are having layoffs.\" (01:05:04) Portland Youth Builders' executive director, who gave her name as Rana, said the group had served almost 200 people with an 85% completion and placement rate over three years. The amendment passed 12-0 (01:33:50).\n\nLevine said staff had found an error creating a negative appropriation in the transportation fund, which state budget law forbids: $93 million had been shifted from contingency to reserves, and a fix returns $25 million (00:25:06). \"Sort of an honest mistake. Somebody was out and we didn't catch it in time,\" she said (00:26:15). The committee adopted it 11-0, with one member recorded absent (01:10:46).\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) asked what the money was for; Jeremy Patton of Public Works said, \"There's nothing specific in that $25 million\" (00:27:38). Smith requested a report on Portland Bureau of Transportation reserve and contingency funds, saying \"I'm not going to wait for an audit\" (00:29:02). Levine said councilors had received a spreadsheet of all citywide reserves that will be published in future budget books.\n\nThe 2027-28 calendar sets a committee hearing on the mayor's proposed budget for April 22. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said that date \"is probably a problem\" because of holidays, and Pirtle-Guiney said she would vote no \"just to put a marker out there that there is a change that's needed\" (00:38:44). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2), citing Passover, proposed April 23 or 26. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), a co-sponsor, said he would amend it to the Friday and restore a Thanksgiving break. The referral passed 9-3, with Zimmerman, Smith and Pirtle-Guiney voting no (01:50:06).\n\nDunphy moved to let the Council Operations manager give staff merit raises with council president approval. Smith objected: \"nobody asked me about whether or not they should have a merit, because I work with them every day.\" (01:36:02) As Dunphy responded, she cut in: \"Excuse me, Council President, I don't mean to interrupt, but she does.\" (01:37:24) Dunphy withdrew the amendment after Levine said its reference to an earlier ordinance \"should not be there,\" promising to reintroduce it at full Council (01:40:12).\n\nSmith then raised \"a point of order\" to note the mayor's hold on merit raises (01:41:48). Kanal replied, \"that's not technically a point of order, but you're in the queue, so it's all fine.\" Dunphy said the hold covers the executive branch, not the legislative.\n\nThe proposal to raise the business license CEO pay ratio surtax, sponsored by Green, Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3), Kanal, Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3), Dunphy and Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1), would raise the small-business exemption from $100,000 next year to $500,000 in sales. Green said 81% of 251 written comments supported it (02:08:17).\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3), who created the original surtax in 2016, said more than a dozen companies would pay over $1 million more a year, and a San Francisco version lost at the ballot despite a $3 million campaign. Asked whether alternatives were exhausted and major unions were on board, he said, \"at this point, I think the answer to both of those questions is no.\" (02:14:31) Chief Financial Officer Jonas Biery told Smith the proposal \"has not undergone that review by my office, by the Revenue Division, by the city economist\" for job loss or business flight (02:44:36).\n\nMorillo called earlier remarks \"misrepresentations of the policy\" (02:48:01). After Morillo said corporations were \"having a very relaxing time in Cabo,\" Pirtle-Guiney answered, \"I have not asked about whether it hurts them\" (02:32:50). Ryan warned of Target and Kroger closures: \"How will we feel about adding another food desert in Portland, Oregon by our direct action?\" (02:54:40) Morillo said the grocery tax would equal 18 cents per $100 in sales (03:00:38). Ryan said, \"I haven't been convinced to come to the yes side.\" (03:01:04) When Ryan interjected \"I know that,\" Green replied, \"I know, I know you know that, but I am talking to the public now\" (03:05:01).\n\n- The committee sent an ordinance creating a business license tax stabilization reserve to full Council 12-0 (01:51:32). - Biery said a $10 million budget item tied to tax increment financing \"is not new districts.\" - Kanal said city presentations on chemical weapons use, requested since August, have not arrived. - The meeting had no general public-comment period.\n\n- Levine said a calendar amendment could be proposed \"on the 22nd, which is the next time we're here.\" Dunphy will reintroduce the merit amendment at full Council. - The CEO pay tax and street-renaming discussion were continued to dates not yet set; Biery offered an economic impact analysis. - The Nov. 5 committee meeting will be virtual while City Hall closes for HVAC upgrades.", "summaryLede": "Portland's Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole voted 12-0 to send the city's fall supplemental budget to the full City Council with a recommendation to pass it, after amending it to add $600,000 for construction pre-apprenticeship programs.", "sections": [ { "title": "Opening and Introductions", "startTime": "00:04:14.366", "endTime": "00:06:58.548", "items": [] }, { "title": "Regular Agenda", "startTime": "00:06:58.548", "endTime": "03:07:28.724", "items": [ { "title": "Committee Chair updates (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:06:58.548", "endTime": "00:13:45.668", "agendaItemNumber": 1 }, { "title": "Adopt the FY 2026-27 Fall Supplemental Budget and make other budget related changes (Ordinance)", "startTime": "00:13:45.668", "endTime": "01:49:01.774", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Adopt the Budget Calendar for FY 2027-28 (Resolution)", "startTime": "01:49:01.774", "endTime": "01:50:33.054", "agendaItemNumber": 3 }, { "title": "Add Budget and Financial Procedures Code to create 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"end": 265.264, "text": "Rebecca, will you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-5", "start": 266.003, "end": 266.388, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-6", "start": 267.383, "end": 267.72, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-7", "start": 268.651, "end": 268.827, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-8", "start": 269.79, "end": 270.063, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-9", "start": 271.042, "end": 271.106, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-10", "start": 271.957, "end": 272.342, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-11", "start": 272.984, "end": 273.081, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-12", "start": 273.963, "end": 274.332, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-13", "start": 274.926, "end": 275.007, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, 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committee can be found at this link.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 309.164, "end": 311.873, "text": "Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 311.985, "end": 314.678, "text": "In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-33", "start": 315.191, "end": 319.968, "text": "If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the Chair states otherwise.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-34", "start": 320.321, "end": 322.084, "text": "Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-35", "start": 322.742, "end": 323.559, "text": "The Chair preserves order.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-36", "start": 323.607, "end": 330.131, "text": "Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-37", "start": 330.179, "end": 331.959, "text": "If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-38", "start": 332.023, "end": 334.139, "text": "Further disruption results in ejection from the meeting.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 334.508, "end": 337.192, "text": "Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 337.565, "end": 340.207, "text": "Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 340.629, "end": 343.385, "text": "Your testimony should address the matter being considered.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 343.84, "end": 345.361, "text": "When testifying, state your name for the record.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 345.41, "end": 347.822, "text": "If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 347.903, "end": 350.38, "text": "Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 350.575, "end": 350.85, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 353.32, "end": 354.862, "text": "Thank you, Christopher.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 355.424, "end": 357.851, "text": "So today we have a pretty packed agenda.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 358.076, "end": 364.028, "text": "I just wanted to start by saying, is there, you know, there's 3 items that relate to the fall technical adjustment ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 364.669, "end": 368.508, "text": "If there's no objection to it, we're gonna hear them to call them together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 368.99, "end": 378.113, "text": "And then from there, we'll, in case there are amendments, we might need to jump back and forth, but we'll still discuss them and vote on them sequentially.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 379.414, "end": 380.828, "text": "Seeing no concern raised there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 382.257, "end": 392.457, "text": "So the first 3 items are those 3 fall TAO items, the actual supplemental budget, the budget calendar, and then the ordinance that would create a subfund within the general reserve fund.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 393.469, "end": 399.49, "text": "After that, we'll get back into the amend business license law code item that we began last week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 400.293, "end": 407.053, "text": "And then if time remains, which it almost certainly will not, we will have the first conversation around street renaming process discussion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 407.149, "end": 415.579, "text": "So just flagging that for you, we may not even have enough time to finish the business license law code item, but we are trying to get through the fall TAO today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 418.549, "end": 421.455, "text": "All right, so first thing, I guess we have to— could you please call item 1?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 422.852, "end": 424.394, "text": "Item 1, committee chair updates.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 425.277, "end": 434.252, "text": "All right, uh, so before I get into the part where I ask, uh, Chair Pirtle-Guiney to update us on the City Life Committee, um, just a couple quick updates on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 434.574, "end": 440.948, "text": "Um, for October 21st, we've added one more appointment back at the request of the City Attorney's Office.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 441.012, "end": 443.308, "text": "You're all going to get, um, an update on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 444.67, "end": 451.282, "text": "In a briefing for October 29th, there's been some— we've confirmed the citywide immigrant affairs lead for a couple weeks now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 453.701, "end": 464.408, "text": "City administrator's not here, neither is the mayor, but basically we've been waiting since we had a presentation in August about chemical weapons usage and public health impacts of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 465.004, "end": 469.482, "text": "And there was a request to have the users of chemical weapons be able to present as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 469.708, "end": 473.209, "text": "So I've been following up with at least those that are city employees on that to try and get their presentations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 473.259, "end": 473.509, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 475.722, "end": 476.702, "text": "And be able to schedule it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 476.75, "end": 480.17, "text": "We haven't gotten that information yet despite asking since August.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 480.218, "end": 483.397, "text": "So that's why there's some tentative things on October 29th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 484.007, "end": 486.994, "text": "If that doesn't work, there's a couple other items in the backlog that we'll just clear.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 487.989, "end": 489.868, "text": "But that's why that hasn't been locked in yet.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 489.916, "end": 492.293, "text": "As you can see, other items and other days have been.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 493.288, "end": 496.644, "text": "We added a note that on November 5th, it will be a virtual meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 496.756, "end": 500.819, "text": "City Hall will be closed for HVAC upgrades.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 501.622, "end": 506.515, "text": "So the entire meeting will be online on November 5th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 506.822, "end": 511.121, "text": "And I think everything else is just a lot of things that are going from possible to tentative.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 511.267, "end": 518.61, "text": "The big reason why things are tentative and not confirmed is that they just haven't been filed yet by the administration, like those appointments on November 18th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 519.479, "end": 521.557, "text": "So that's the run of the first page.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 522.072, "end": 527.732, "text": "Nothing new on the second page except the note that most of the things on that page are gonna be deferred to January.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 527.847, "end": 528.637, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 530.13, "end": 541.27, "text": "In the leadership requests and work groups piece, um, just wanted to ask if anyone wanted to assist on that 5th one where we're helping plan the Urban Alchemy oversight hearing planning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 541.366, "end": 548.044, "text": "I know I've been working on it with Councilors Avalos and Green, but if anyone can follow up with me if they'd like to be a part of helping plan that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 548.589, "end": 549.536, "text": "Um, we know it's been—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 549.713, "end": 550.692, "text": "I would love to be a part of that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 551.013, "end": 551.96, "text": "Great, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 552.763, "end": 558.436, "text": "Um, I'm not sure if anyone else, uh, would be interested in, in that, but follow up with me either now or later is fine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 560.36, "end": 562.141, "text": "And that's pretty much it from my part.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 562.272, "end": 564.364, "text": "Any questions before I pass it to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 566.36, "end": 568.975, "text": "All right, City Life Committee Chair Alana Pirtle-Guiney, take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 569.604, "end": 570.121, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 570.492, "end": 585.752, "text": "Colleagues, this past week we heard 2 broader presentations in the City Life Committee, both of which around topics that have received some more extensive questions from the entire council.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 586.361, "end": 592.514, "text": "We had a presentation on the current status of Advance Portland, which is the city's economic development policy.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 593.107, "end": 609.562, "text": "A number of you have asked over the course of the last year what that relationship is like between our council and Prosper Portland around economic development policy, and the former commission actually passed an economic development strategy which Prosper has been enacting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 609.61, "end": 612.852, "text": "That happened before 11 of us were here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 613.141, "end": 618.327, "text": "So it sometimes feels a little, a little new because of the holistic turnover that occurred.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 619.403, "end": 622.855, "text": "But there is a former commission-guided document.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 623.401, "end": 627.125, "text": "We got an update on what the final 2 years of that work will look like.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 627.254, "end": 631.412, "text": "The state of our economy has changed since that was first put together.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 631.99, "end": 648.828, "text": "And we also had the first opportunity to provide some thoughts to the Prosper director on where councilors on the City Life Committee, which oversees economic development work, think the city should be going in terms of our economic development strategy.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 649.759, "end": 661.347, "text": "There will be over the next year to year and a half a lot of conversation back and forth between Prosper and council and the mayor around the next iteration of our economic development strategy.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 661.395, "end": 663.143, "text": "So this was just Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 664.024, "end": 694.521, "text": "We also then had a conversation about our policies around when we dispose of or privatize publicly owned land and what the current practice is and whether there are places where that practice might need to shift and adjust as we start to think about our city as a single unit that works together to look at the long-term needs of our community as it relates to City-owned land and land for city resources.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 695.742, "end": 704.271, "text": "That was followed by a single item where we approved the sale of land to Habitat for Humanity for housing development.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 704.913, "end": 717.249, "text": "I will note that we heard from multiple colleagues, myself included, about an interest in having a broader citywide strategy about when and how we dispose of public land.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 717.683, "end": 733.568, "text": "That came both from a colleague who was interested in us looking at our needs more comprehensively, but not necessarily selling off land less, and came from colleagues who were interested in selling off land less often.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 733.728, "end": 740.179, "text": "So both of those positions looking at needing us to have a more comprehensive citywide approach to this.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 741.575, "end": 749.257, "text": "In the coming weeks, we are going to have a presentation about the future of the regulatory space around cable and internet in our city.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 749.37, "end": 764.552, "text": "Last year, this committee brought us a proposed— a proposal from the administration on scaling down the funds that come out of our cable regulation, and we said there would be a conversation around next steps there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 765.482, "end": 774.829, "text": "We will have a presentation around how our cannabis taxes are used and then an ordinance from the administration asking us to update our cannabis code.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 775.823, "end": 789.651, "text": "We will look at some of the equity and workforce provisions within our PCF CIP, and we will close out the year looking at the noise code and updates that our noise officers are proposing to that code.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 790.163, "end": 797.662, "text": "We do have a few spots left on the calendar, and I know that there are a couple of you who have ordinances that may be coming to this committee.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 798.495, "end": 802.325, "text": "We've room for probably 2 or 3 things left.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 802.405, "end": 802.581, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 802.742, "end": 803.498, "text": "Not more than that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 803.562, "end": 808.066, "text": "So if you do have something that you are thinking of bringing to City Life, please let me know as soon as you're able.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 808.677, "end": 809.368, "text": "Thanks so much, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 809.481, "end": 810.124, "text": "That's all I've got.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 810.829, "end": 811.638, "text": "Thank you, Chair Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 811.735, "end": 814.148, "text": "Any questions for City Life?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 817.044, "end": 818.198, "text": "All right, thanks everybody.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 818.263, "end": 822, "text": "And with that, I'll ask if we can call items, uh, 2, 3, and 4 together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": 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to the 3rd item, the BLT stabilization reserve ordinance itself, because that ordinance sets a floor for the amount to be contributed towards the fund, which is the minimum is what's currently being put into it in the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 912.174, "end": 920.647, "text": "So council can go higher and put more money in than the minimum in the, in the BLT stabilization reserve ordinance and add more money through the fall TAO to the fund.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 920.92, "end": 926.322, "text": "But if we want to go less than that, we'd have to amend both, assuming that ordinance is adopted.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 927.171, "end": 931.419, "text": "And then just a heads up, there is an amendment that I'll be moving that was brought by CBO.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 931.484, "end": 936.998, "text": "It's a technical amendment to correct an 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"text": "I know the text is quite dense, literally and figuratively, on the right there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1124.265, "end": 1135.294, "text": "So, but so the slides that I presented last week are really the key to being able to unpack that, but it is all there in writing and happy to answer additional questions on any of that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1135.425, "end": 1137.677, "text": "But I really highlighted all the Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1137.726, "end": 1139.328, "text": "So I spoke to the key changes last week.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1139.425, "end": 1141.077, "text": "That's included in the text there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1144.45, "end": 1148.623, "text": "Exhibit 3 then goes one level deeper, which is all of the major objects.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1148.752, "end": 1157.781, "text": "Those are the things that roll up into things like bureau program expenses, but there's also contingency broken out here and fund balance.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1158.138, "end": 1162.747, "text": "And again, I spoke last week to all the changes in fund balance and why those were happening.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1163.542, "end": 1175.24, "text": "So this just has all of the numbers and it walks you from the adopted budget to the fall, to what the appropriation is if the ordinance is adopted.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1176.076, "end": 1178.614, "text": "Before you go on, Mr. Ryan had a question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1178.743, "end": 1179.016, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1179.289, "end": 1185.7, "text": "Ruth, I think it'd be great if we go back to the first page of Exhibit 1 and we see the large numbers in contingency.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1186.375, "end": 1191.705, "text": "And we all know contingencies are future events, circumstances that possibly will happen.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1192.939, "end": 1195.647, "text": "It seems like there's a lot more than I'm used to seeing.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1195.984, "end": 1201.335, "text": "Maybe they've always been this big, but they're larger than some of the actual expenses.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1201.432, "end": 1203.21, "text": "Could you explain that to the public?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1203.451, "end": 1203.835, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1203.995, "end": 1212.904, "text": "And you'll recall from last week, I talked a lot about this change from contingency to reserve for future expenditure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1214.202, "end": 1233.388, "text": "So like in the example that's on the slide here, There's $154 million in the sewer system rate stabilization fund, which is its own fund that moves out of contingency and into reserve for future expenditure because that is what that fund is for, right?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1233.436, "end": 1234.91, "text": "It's a rate stabilization fund.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1234.959, "end": 1238.629, "text": "It's intended to ensure that rates don't increase too quickly in any given year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1238.693, "end": 1242.62, "text": "And so they can draw it down in order to smooth that curve.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1242.797, "end": 1244.287, "text": "And so that's why—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1244.303, "end": 1245.169, "text": "I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1245.935, "end": 1248.374, "text": "That's why there's that really big number there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1248.939, "end": 1251.926, "text": "So the practice is to put these into reserves going forward?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1252.378, "end": 1253.557, "text": "That is, yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1254.009, "end": 1255.284, "text": "And that's the conversation.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1256.826, "end": 1285.852, "text": "For folks who didn't watch the work session, we had the executive director of the Tax Supervising Conservation Commission come and explain the sort of updated interpretation of state budget law that says that we really should be distinguishing between these 2 things, the contingency that is in our current year's budget in case We need it for some reason, something happens and we need to access it versus the things that we have a plan for and that plan is out in year 2 to whenever in the future.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1286.464, "end": 1295.651, "text": "And so that is the distinction that state budget law intends and that we are making changes to follow.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1296.055, "end": 1298.059, "text": "Short-term with quick adaptability.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1298.334, "end": 1302.627, "text": "And then the other one is a little bit more clarity on a long-term Exactly.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1302.966, "end": 1307.116, "text": "I just— repetition is the key to learning, and I think seeing it so clearly today is helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1307.342, "end": 1307.956, "text": "Yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1308.053, "end": 1318.666, "text": "I mean, the easy example, right, is you have a pot of money for if your car breaks down this year, and then you have another pot of money that you're saving for for when you need to replace your car in the future.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1319.135, "end": 1320.252, "text": "And those are 2 different things.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1320.512, "end": 1320.657, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1321.079, "end": 1321.241, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1323.995, "end": 1327.267, "text": "Okay, just— I'm going to keep going through the exhibits.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1327.332, "end": 1328.98, "text": "So I went through 1 to 3.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1329.441, "end": 1339.961, "text": "Exhibit 4 focuses just on the general fund, and it highlights highlights specific decision packages and bureaus by the type of change that is occurring.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1341.259, "end": 1346.211, "text": "And then Exhibit 5 contains all of the detail on all of the decision packages.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1346.307, "end": 1348.935, "text": "So if you scroll down, it's 300 pages.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1349.224, "end": 1349.881, "text": "It's great reading.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1351.195, "end": 1359.432, "text": "The decision package description is included for each of the changes that's included here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1359.56, "end": 1369.838, "text": "So there is a way to walk from the big numbers you see down to the, The minute, I will acknowledge that it probably needs to be a little improved for clarity and use.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1371.17, "end": 1381.564, "text": "But that is the intention from exhibits 1 to 5 is that you can walk all the way from the appropriation change down to the description of what's changing.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1382.879, "end": 1387.659, "text": "And then exhibit 6 is specific to FTE changes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1388.012, "end": 1391.637, "text": "We added in a column here for what happened in the July supplemental.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1392.755, "end": 1393.486, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1394.702, "end": 1406.569, "text": "And then Exhibit 7, whoops, sorry, is specific to providing direction for '27-'28 budget development.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1406.618, "end": 1413.163, "text": "So as a reminder, supplemental budget only changes appropriation for the fiscal 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some additional changes that needed to be made to fully implement that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1456.932, "end": 1463.086, "text": "This moves the funding from those different bureaus.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1463.841, "end": 1471.199, "text": "We move funding between bureaus in the fall TAO itself, and then this exhibit says also assume that in the base budgets as you're developing them.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1471.716, "end": 1475.484, "text": "It really just is a, for like efficiency.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1475.662, "end": 1490.928, "text": "It could be done a different way in the budget development, but this just starts from, if council approves it in the fall TAO, it allows us to start with that assumption moving into the budget so that we don't have to manually kind of enter them, is really all it does.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1493.04, "end": 1495.844, "text": "So that is, those are all the exhibits for the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1496.333, "end": 1501.955, "text": "I want to talk quickly, if it's okay, About the technical amendment.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1502.872, "end": 1504.142, "text": "Is that— is this an okay time?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1504.335, "end": 1504.432, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1504.802, "end": 1505.043, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1505.397, "end": 1505.574, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1506.909, "end": 1515.781, "text": "So as Chair Kanal mentioned, this was an error that we discovered this week, unfortunately, as we were reviewing again through the exhibits.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1518.355, "end": 1522.53, "text": "We noticed the negative appropriation in the transportation fund.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1523.776, "end": 1535.385, "text": "We should have noticed it before we filed, but we were We were running short on time and so we, but we, and legally we cannot have a negative appropriation.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1535.45, "end": 1541.7, "text": "So council can't adopt the supplemental budget without making this amendment.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1541.78, "end": 1544.448, "text": "Essentially it would be, we would run afoul of state budget law.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1545.541, "end": 1555.261, "text": "And so this corrects that by moving about $25 million sort of, it was moved out of contingency into reserve for future expenditure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1555.309, "end": 1560.74, "text": "$93 million was moved out of contingency into reserve for future expenditure in the transportation fund.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1561.334, "end": 1568.564, "text": "This essentially undoes a portion of that and says put it back into contingency in the amount of $25 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1569.658, "end": 1571.503, "text": "So that's what this table down here shows you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1575.496, "end": 1575.641, "text": "The—.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1575.754, "end": 1588.251, "text": "Again, the reason for it was sort of a miscommunication, and there were sort of not conflicting packages, but 2 moves that when you added them together caused the negative number.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1588.348, "end": 1590.516, "text": "And so we have to undo that negative number.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1590.66, "end": 1593.503, "text": "Sort of an honest mistake.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1593.551, "end": 1597.775, "text": "Somebody was out and we didn't catch it in time.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1597.84, "end": 1599.141, "text": "So we're catching it now.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1600.458, "end": 1603.878, "text": "And yeah, happy to answer questions on that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1604.874, "end": 1612.953, "text": "All right, so what we're going to do is do technical questions on this one, then go into the next 2 pieces sequentially and do technical questions on each.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1617.577, "end": 1623.141, "text": "Thank you, Director Levine.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1623.254, "end": 1627.296, "text": "Could you tell me what the $25 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contingency.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1652.404, "end": 1655.723, "text": "It's probably easiest if I just provide you that breakout of all the contingency accounts.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1655.851, "end": 1657.967, "text": "I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1658.785, "end": 1665.422, "text": "There was, um, too much was moved out of contingency into reserve for future expenditures, which made contingency go negative.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1666.015, "end": 1671.17, "text": "This action is just moving that back into contingency, so it's There's nothing specific in that $25 million.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1671.17, "end": 1672.93, "text": "It is a number of things that total the—.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 1672.93, "end": 1674.09, "text": "That could flow.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 1674.13, "end": 1674.49, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 1674.49, "end": 1676.73, "text": "But not for sure.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 1676.73, "end": 1677.53, "text": "We don't have specific—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1677.53, "end": 1677.99, "text": "There are for sure things.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1677.99, "end": 1679.95, "text": "They're just not identified as specific pieces.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1679.95, "end": 1686.41, "text": "So there's $80 million in contingency or so, and it's just we're not specifying which of that $25 million was moving.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1686.41, "end": 1688.21, "text": "But I can give you the details of what it is.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1688.21, "end": 1689.98, "text": "So we have $80 million.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1690.07, "end": 1695.21, "text": "Contingency is supposed to be used within the fiscal year that it is stated for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1695.21, "end": 1701.545, "text": "From a technical standpoint, you have money in contingency that's been there longer than the fiscal year?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1703.714, "end": 1703.972, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1704.342, "end": 1706.339, "text": "So that is out of order, correct?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1706.839, "end": 1710.494, "text": "It should be in some sort of fund in reserve.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1710.848, "end": 1712.716, "text": "It shouldn't be in contingency, correct?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1713.39, "end": 1716.458, "text": "That's what this action was doing, was moving those contingency funds to reserves.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1716.749, "end": 1718.735, "text": "It just— too much was moved at that point.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1719.139, "end": 1724.264, "text": "But what I'm trying to understand is, what does that $25 million make up for?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1724.717, "end": 1725.349, "text": "What is it?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1726.438, "end": 1728.758, "text": "And what is it going to be used for in this fiscal year?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1730.724, "end": 1731.997, "text": "That's the technical piece.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1732.111, "end": 1733.466, "text": "That's— that is the piece.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1734.826, "end": 1736.095, "text": "It's a number of pieces.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1736.207, "end": 1739.999, "text": "It's a lot of capital project contingencies that are in there.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1740.047, "end": 1741.927, "text": "I have the entire list I can share with you.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1742.457, "end": 1745.886, "text": "So this— here's my concern, and I've already addressed this with CA Lee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1746.322, "end": 1753.818, "text": "I need to understand the hundreds of millions of dollars that are in PBOT's Uh, reserve funds and contingency funds.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1753.962, "end": 1754.717, "text": "What are they for?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1754.845, "end": 1755.76, "text": "Who put them in there?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1755.889, "end": 1757.109, "text": "What year they put them in there?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1757.174, "end": 1767.145, "text": "And I would like to request a report given back to this committee that will tell us that, because I'm not going to wait for an audit, because this has been going on for years and years and years.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 1767.21, "end": 1778.755, "text": "Because there's money in that reserve account that was put there from prior councils that we don't even know about, and there should be an active list, a running list of what is that money used for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 1780.055, "end": 1795.978, "text": "One thing, and I think, you know, this may not get to all of the depth of your question, but we did provide earlier this week, we sent council additional spreadsheets that have a lot more detail on the things in the TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 1796.253, "end": 1807.539, "text": "One of them is a list of citywide all reserves and contingency accounts down to every kind of fund, like sub-fund level, all the detailed pieces that Jeremy mentioned.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 1807.833, "end": 1816.227, "text": "And so it does have that for people In that spreadsheet, and I'm happy to work with you and your team on kind of going through that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 1816.355, "end": 1827.37, "text": "But that was— that list is intended to do that, and we're planning to publish those in budget books moving forward so that it is publicly available and people can see what they're all for.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 1827.45, "end": 1836.137, "text": "But from a technical standpoint, you can put $100 million in something and say, oh, we're going to use this for streets, but you have no intention on using it for streets.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 1836.442, "end": 1839.777, "text": "It's been sitting there for 5, 10, 15 years.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 1840.675, "end": 1848.052, "text": "And so to just tell me that you're going to subset it from a technical standpoint, it doesn't do a lot for me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 1848.148, "end": 1849.447, "text": "I need to know every penny.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 1849.575, "end": 1851.692, "text": "When is it expected to be used?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 1851.756, "end": 1853.007, "text": "And that's what we're not getting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 1853.52, "end": 1862.789, "text": "You're telling us that from a technical standpoint that we're supposed to have money in reserves, but we should have a date in which they're supposed to be used by.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 1863.062, "end": 1864.996, "text": "And when we're expected to be used by.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 1865.238, "end": 1868.332, "text": "I don't want you to just give me a pot of money and say, oh, this is what this is for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 1868.622, "end": 1869.847, "text": "Well, when is it supposed to be used?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 1870.57, "end": 1874.187, "text": "So thank you very much.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 1874.641, "end": 1879.94, "text": "Can I— I think, um, just out of curiosity, you could have written this in, in sort of 2 ways, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 1880.005, "end": 1895.233, "text": "Like, the, the way this is written right now is $93 million is moving from contingency to reserve in the main document, and then the amendment adds $25 million going back the other But you could have probably written that as an amendment to make it $68 million going only, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 1895.361, "end": 1898.04, "text": "Because there, there is no real $25 million coming back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 1898.104, "end": 1903.815, "text": "The, the budget or the, um, amount that lives in the contingency after this is going to be near zero, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 1904.345, "end": 1906.013, "text": "This is just truing it up to be correct.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 1906.43, "end": 1906.655, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 1907.072, "end": 1912.622, "text": "So after this amendment passes, contingency will probably have like a dollar in it, somewhere in that ballpark?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 1913.103, "end": 1913.954, "text": "A million dollars.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 1914.307, "end": 1914.483, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 1914.611, "end": 1921.981, "text": "Okay, so, um, That, that's just, I think, helpful context because that paragraph up above talks about 93 going one way and 25 going—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 1922.094, "end": 1922.415, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 1922.576, "end": 1922.785, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 1923.058, "end": 1924.15, "text": "Yeah, sorry.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 1924.407, "end": 1924.519, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 1924.664, "end": 1926.382, "text": "You know, yeah, and either way is fine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 1926.575, "end": 1935.135, "text": "Um, and, you know, I, I appreciate that, um, that the CBO always finds the, the problem and comes to us with the solution as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 1935.248, "end": 1936.195, "text": "I appreciate that a lot.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 1936.934, "end": 1937.561, "text": "Uh, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 1938.235, "end": 1940.725, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Councilor Kanal, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 1941.367, "end": 1947.047, "text": "Just to follow up, I think what What we're getting at, though, is we want to see the transparency of what that list would be.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 1947.865, "end": 1957.601, "text": "So when we're told, and I believe you, that there's a reserve list for specific projects and capital needs, this council just wants to see what those are.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 1958.451, "end": 1963.103, "text": "And especially when a councilor has been fighting really hard for infrastructure out in District 1 for sidewalks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 1963.745, "end": 1970.257, "text": "I didn't mean to assume what, what some of the questioning was leading towards, but that's the kind of transparency that we deserve.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 1970.305, "end": 1970.417, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 1970.883, "end": 1972.538, "text": "When those decisions are made.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 1973.454, "end": 1979.559, "text": "And it— and when we don't know, when we hear answers that are ambiguous at times, it just makes us doubt.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 1980.121, "end": 1980.924, "text": "So that's all.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 1981.165, "end": 1984.218, "text": "And I know you're working hard, and I know you have that list, and it's not on your fingertips.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 1984.314, "end": 1987.592, "text": "So yeah, no, I, I, um, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 1987.994, "end": 1990.564, "text": "Yeah, I just want to be clear, we did share it, so it is there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 1990.644, "end": 1992.54, "text": "It is available to all of the councilors.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 1993.199, "end": 2000.566, "text": "Um, it is not in this document because it's too large and we can't attach Excel files as exhibits.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2000.918, "end": 2003.932, "text": "So we sent it as a supplemental document to councilors.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2004.99, "end": 2009.302, "text": "But it is in your inboxes and I'm happy to help and walk through it with folks.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2010.761, "end": 2010.873, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2011.258, "end": 2011.611, "text": "That's fair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2011.803, "end": 2012.348, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2012.604, "end": 2012.941, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2013.422, "end": 2018.92, "text": "And just to clarify, that's the email we got yesterday morning at 10:09, roughly, from you?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2019.097, "end": 2024.627, "text": "In that email, if you scroll down, there's a link to a folder because they're too large to send by email.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2025.028, "end": 2029.615, "text": "And in there, there's the— that email details all of the additional follow-up.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2029.679, "end": 2033.495, "text": "There are multiple spreadsheets that provide additional information.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2033.705, "end": 2034.139, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2036.603, "end": 2037.521, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2037.649, "end": 2038.664, "text": "Councilor Smith, are you back in the queue?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2038.712, "end": 2038.873, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2039.66, "end": 2043.34, "text": "Then let's move on and talk about the next 2 items, please.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2043.613, "end": 2043.902, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2045.959, "end": 2052.7, "text": "So I believe the next one in line is the budget calendar resolution.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2053.608, "end": 2055.618, "text": "So I will just pull up that exhibit.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2057.474, "end": 2064.6, "text": "And this has not changed since the conversation we had last week.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2067.947, "end": 2078.363, "text": "And I don't know, Councilor Dunphy's the co-sponsor on this, so feel free to jump in if you have anything to add here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2078.638, "end": 2081.687, "text": "But this is laid out again.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2081.865, "end": 2094.85, "text": "I think the kind of preamble here is It's the best practice to set the budget calendar sort of in the 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"Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2127.389, "end": 2133.511, "text": "Those would be the sort of what I call the base budget information, kind of what if nothing changed?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2133.576, "end": 2134.572, "text": "What does this bureau do?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2134.701, "end": 2136.202, "text": "How is that paid for?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2137.366, "end": 2138.46, "text": "That kind of information.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2139.941, "end": 2155.058, "text": "It has a CA budget report in February, and it has earlier budget priorities transmitted to the mayor as a work session in early March.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2155.962, "end": 2160.771, "text": "And then the spring TAO is at the same time as last year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2162.133, "end": 2170.893, "text": "And then the mayor's proposed— it has the mayor's proposed coming out on Tuesday, April 20th, followed by the committee hearing on April 22nd.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2171.006, "end": 2174.775, "text": "I recognize there was some conversation about that April 22nd date last week.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2175.742, "end": 2178.399, "text": "This was filed 10 days ago.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2179.848, "end": 2188.244, "text": "And then it goes into budget committee work sessions after the proposed is released, followed by—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2188.244, "end": 2188.63, "text": "April 23rd.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2190.039, "end": 2197.187, "text": "The approved hearing, which would take place on similar dates as last year, May 17th through 19th.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2198.733, "end": 2200.178, "text": "And whoops, sorry.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2200.357, "end": 2203.875, "text": "And the adopted likewise at similar dates, on similar dates as last year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2207.205, "end": 2209.714, "text": "That's really all this resolution does.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2212.651, "end": 2213.498, "text": "Council President Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2213.71, "end": 2214.069, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2214.118, "end": 2229.219, "text": "I just wanted to jump in and just reiterate that this is 90% of the budget calendar is based off of what we've already done the last 2 years and the direct feedback that I've heard from y'all about either this didn't work for us or we, you know, we need more time on these things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" 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"id": "cue-392", "start": 2285.615, "end": 2288.388, "text": "Uh, thanks again for putting this together.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2288.678, "end": 2296.079, "text": "Um, I just want to note again that I think, I think there's some holidays for some folks that would impact this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2296.16, "end": 2301.122, "text": "I think April 22nd is probably a problem, so if we can We can shift that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2301.544, "end": 2305.345, "text": "There are a couple of things that we've specifically looked at, and that is one in particular.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2306.317, "end": 2316.955, "text": "Um, I'm probably at this point going to leave that up to the next council president to figure out because I don't truly understand the nuance of a lot of those holidays, and we've got a rough outline at this point.", "speaker": "Jamie 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Exhibit B looks like we are readopting our committee structure in order to, I assume, adopt the times when we'll have breaks in our committee work to align with the budget work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2372.621, "end": 2382.265, "text": "But I wanted to give the council president an opportunity to speak to this document and whether that is the reason it's before us or whether there is another reason that we have Exhibit B as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2383.747, "end": 2397.437, "text": "I believe you're exactly right, that if we are trying to give some assurance to the staff, both in the budget office, but also to the clerk's office and to council operations, we needed something to base that off of, of a rough calendar.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2397.871, "end": 2404.844, "text": "Now, it is absolutely the right of the next council president to upend the apple cart and rethink how we are doing our committees.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2406.145, "end": 2412.171, "text": "I haven't heard anything specific from anybody about real meaningful, you know, major reform to it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2412.669, "end": 2425.893, "text": "But again, yeah, this is our attempt to try to give some structure and be able to fit the amount of time we need and still also have a plan for the legislative process to move forward.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2426.311, "end": 2441.281, "text": "So does this document reflect status quo in terms of committee schedules, in terms of recesses, and in terms of treating committee break around the budget work roughly the way that you chose to treat it in this past year?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2441.506, "end": 2442.165, "text": "Absolutely, yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2442.229, "end": 2450.434, "text": "This is a reflection of the current status quo and no new recesses, no new changes, no new committees, no times, nothing fancy, just what we're doing right now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2450.803, "end": 2452.377, "text": "Okay, thank you for that clarification.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2452.425, "end": 2454.753, "text": "I think it's important for folks to know what's in there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2454.994, "end": 2455.363, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2456.664, "end": 2459.345, "text": "I'm next in the queue, followed by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2460.116, "end": 2463.904, "text": "So for, uh, I had similar questions to, to, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2464, "end": 2474.85, "text": "I'll, I'll say it may make sense, and I may be interested in doing this at full council, to just note the blocks of time as opposed to the specific committees, um, that are held for committee time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2475.444, "end": 2483.276, "text": "Um, but not necessarily worth getting into right this second in, in Exhibit B. I did want to just ask 2 questions about Exhibit B.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2483.725, "end": 2489.938, "text": "One is the Wednesday, November 10th thing is what we just did for this year, right, with relation to Veterans Day being a holiday.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2489.987, "end": 2492.508, "text": "And so we have to— okay, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2492.636, "end": 2497.822, "text": "And then for committees suspended, your intention is that that includes all committees, right, not just the Tuesday ones?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2499.043, "end": 2499.299, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2499.621, "end": 2501.676, "text": "Yeah, thanks for getting that on the record.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2501.869, "end": 2519.545, "text": "With relation to Exhibit A, I just wanted to note, colleagues, that next week, um, we have a workgroup report back in this committee on the council president Council leadership election process that may affect the first couple lines of this in terms of there have been some ideas proposed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2519.609, "end": 2523.975, "text": "So there, just be ready for a conversation that might capture the timing of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2525.131, "end": 2530.701, "text": "But I think in terms of at least as a starting point, locking in status quo, that does make sense to do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2531.392, "end": 2538.391, "text": "I wanted to say thanks for including 2 days on the adopted budget as well, which is the beginning of the—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2538.391, "end": 2538.535, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2546.528, "end": 2548.6, "text": "Yeah, I think that's everything that wasn't already raised.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2548.648, "end": 2549.312, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2550.995, "end": 2551.448, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2551.497, "end": 2551.675, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2551.885, "end": 2564.003, "text": "I just have to mention that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I discussed the possibility of combining a budget discussion with the language of the Passover service, and she came up with some absolutely hilarious language that I'd suggest that anybody who knows the Passover service should ask her for.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2564.547, "end": 2567.565, "text": "Including in all other years we dip into only one reserve.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2567.774, "end": 2569.669, "text": "Why this year do we dip into 2 reserves?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2570.504, "end": 2573.538, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2574.261, "end": 2575.128, "text": "Councilor Ryan, you're next.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2575.176, "end": 2576.862, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2576.926, "end": 2579.078, "text": "It's wonderful to follow you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2579.56, "end": 2589.531, "text": "On that note, why are we just— can we just move the date to Friday the 23rd or Monday the 26th?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2590.714, "end": 2597.085, "text": "So we don't have this asterisk-y, like, dancing around Passover Seder.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2598.317, "end": 2608.291, "text": "So I know Fridays would still be a time where people are traveling, and Fridays aren't the day that most people want to be here in a— and then what about Monday the 26th?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2608.404, "end": 2613.334, "text": "I just don't understand why we haven't made that adjustment, because we had this conversation last time.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2617.147, "end": 2617.949, "text": "Dead silence.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2618.655, "end": 2619.858, "text": "I'm definitely open to it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 2620.115, "end": 2620.419, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 2621.639, "end": 2629.227, "text": "Yeah, I think, um, we've got between this meeting that we're in now and the full council to do that before it passes if someone wants to come up with an amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 2629.484, "end": 2636.944, "text": "I propose that, that your office, um, comes with a proposal that changes the date to either that Friday or that Monday.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 2637.281, "end": 2638.436, "text": "Sure, happy to work on that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 2639.351, "end": 2640.698, "text": "And that's a motion.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 2640.827, "end": 2640.987, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2641.694, "end": 2645.387, "text": "I guess I think it's a conversation and that you could make that edit, correct?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2645.708, "end": 2653.126, "text": "Yes, we can, we can write it up as a, as an amendment and somebody can propose it, uh, on the 22nd, which is the next time we're here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2653.479, "end": 2654.218, "text": "Thanks, appreciate it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2654.378, "end": 2654.699, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 2655.502, "end": 2655.839, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 2656.706, "end": 2658.039, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 2658.376, "end": 2661.603, "text": "Uh, seeing no one else in the queue, we're going to move on to the 3rd item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 2662.149, "end": 2664.333, "text": "Uh, and Director Levine, please take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 2665.457, "end": 2665.858, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 2666.083, "end": 2681.249, "text": "Um, so, um, this item is the, the The thrust of this item is to add a policy that establishes 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Levine" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 2719.216, "end": 2721.298, "text": "What I also— so this is the section.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 2721.89, "end": 2722.02, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 2722.151, "end": 2729.304, "text": "It would become Code Chapter 5.90.04, 040.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 2730.532, "end": 2750.387, "text": "And the— so this outlines the— both the conditions on the way in which the reserve is funded, the conditions under which it can be drawn, and the direction for refilling it if it is drawn.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 2751.246, "end": 2760.332, "text": "Um, this is situated within the larger— what has been, uh, FIN 2.03.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 2761.037, "end": 2774.754, "text": "We got direction from the city attorney that some of the FINs will need to migrate into code, um, and, um, FIN 2.03 is one of those that needs to migrate into code.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 2774.882, "end": 2789.192, "text": "And so the recommendation was to file this as a code provision, a new code provision 5.90, with the new section on the BLT stabilization reserve situated within it.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 2789.945, "end": 2793.262, "text": "Um, and so that's why you see this as a code ordinance.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 2793.31, "end": 2800.393, "text": "It picks up other than that change and some like clerical changes to ensure that the language is aligned with the current charter.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 2800.857, "end": 2810.663, "text": "Um, the 5.90 reflects what is currently in FIN 2.03, and then it adds the BLT stabilization reserve.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 2810.727, "end": 2811.77, "text": "So that's what you see here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 2812.493, "end": 2817.182, "text": "Okay, before I open the queue, I forgot to mention one thing up top at the beginning of this meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 2817.23, "end": 2818.225, "text": "It's going to be a little awkward here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 2818.819, "end": 2825.017, "text": "Uh, today is the Great, uh, Oregon ShakeOut, which is going to happen in 3 minutes over the PA.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 2825.82, "end": 2827.265, "text": "So to avoid— 2 minutes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 2827.329, "end": 2828.839, "text": "Uh, it's an earthquake drill.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 2829.593, "end": 2831.279, "text": "There's like gonna be announcements and stuff.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 2831.343, "end": 2834.876, "text": "So we're gonna take a break for that so that it's not— we don't have to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 2835.598, "end": 2836.273, "text": "We can do whatever.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 2836.321, "end": 2837.317, "text": "There's not a drill in City Hall.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 2837.365, "end": 2839.099, "text": "The drill's actually in Portland Building.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 2839.147, "end": 2840.48, "text": "We did one in committee last time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 2840.913, "end": 2842.503, "text": "Thanks, Chair Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 2842.856, "end": 2845.971, "text": "So we're gonna take a break for 5, 6 minutes and then come back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 2846.838, "end": 2848.155, "text": "This is not our only break today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 2848.219, "end": 2849.905, "text": "I just forgot to mention it up at the top.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 2850.306, "end": 2850.981, "text": "So we'll take a recess.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 2851.173, "end": 2852.362, "text": "See you in a few minutes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 2852.41, "end": 2852.972, "text": "So I remind people what to do?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 2853.036, "end": 2853.999, "text": "You can go for it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3488.825, "end": 3491.782, "text": "All right, well, we're gonna come back to, to order now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3493.602, "end": 3495.065, "text": "I hope everybody feels prepared.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3497.137, "end": 3500.878, "text": "And, and I hope everyone feels prepared.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3500.926, "end": 3502.361, "text": "Let's, let's get back into it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3502.409, "end": 3505.682, "text": "So thank you for where we left off.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3505.779, "end": 3510.561, "text": "Director Lavina just finished explaining the 3rd of our 3 items today on the fall TAL.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3510.786, "end": 3514.086, "text": "I'm going to open up the queue and ask if anyone has technical questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3514.135, "end": 3515.616, "text": "Councilor, Councilor President Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3515.696, "end": 3518.56, "text": "I just wanted to do a technical clarification about 2 things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3518.674, "end": 3523.87, "text": "One, thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, for pointing out that this calendar does not have the Thanksgiving break on it as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3523.918, "end": 3525.036, "text": "It's the only one that isn't there?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3526.598, "end": 3531.139, "text": "There was a discussion at one point about whether it was budget related at all, but then there's other things that are not really budget related.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3531.203, "end": 3532.588, "text": "So we're gonna put that back on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3532.653, "end": 3534.279, "text": "I'm gonna introduce an amendment that will put that back.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3534.893, "end": 3547.61, "text": "Additionally, with regard to the Passover conversation, there was a conversation, as I specifically understand it, between my staff who are— celebrate— I don't know, celebrate the right word?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3548.11, "end": 3548.274, "text": "Recognize?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3548.405, "end": 3548.603, "text": "Observe.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3548.8, "end": 3549.539, "text": "Observe, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3549.786, "end": 3551.807, "text": "Observe Passover as well as the budget office.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3552.743, "end": 3557.186, "text": "About the observation of second Seder versus other.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3557.475, "end": 3564.291, "text": "Anyway, regardless of what it is, there was an intentional conversation, and I will be introducing an amendment to change that date to the Friday.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3565.253, "end": 3566.472, "text": "Is that— will that work?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3567.643, "end": 3572.647, "text": "Passover is a complicated holiday, so I understand how this happened.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3572.775, "end": 3577.603, "text": "Generally, the first 2 nights are observed, the first 2 days fully.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3577.699, "end": 3581.115, "text": "Some people observe, some people do the first day and the first 2 nights.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3581.998, "end": 3589.653, "text": "I think that as long as that works for any staff who observe the holiday, it certainly would work for me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3590.039, "end": 3601.449, "text": "For folks in the public who observe the holiday and might be traveling, I think as long as we have an opportunity for people to call in to provide testimony, that could work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3601.53, "end": 3610.804, "text": "So I would just say let's make sure that any staff who observe the holiday can make that work with, with their And anyone who's listening to this and might have concerns, please reach out.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3610.852, "end": 3611.141, "text": "Let me know.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3611.317, "end": 3612.52, "text": "I'll help find a better solution.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3612.648, "end": 3614.204, "text": "So thank you very much for raising the issue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3614.83, "end": 3617.909, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3617.957, "end": 3623.491, "text": "And I'll just observe we've probably got, um, some other dates to avoid, to not move on to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3623.571, "end": 3625.849, "text": "So, you know, it'll take a minute to figure it out, I'm sure.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3625.897, "end": 3628.014, "text": "And I appreciate that scheduling is difficult.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3628.768, "end": 3632.649, "text": "Um, all right, any questions on this item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3632.713, "end": 3635.953, "text": "This is the, the, the 3rd item, the creation of the code.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3636.49, "end": 3640.574, "text": "Uh, governing the, um, the reserve fund, BLT reserve fund.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3643.412, "end": 3646.518, "text": "Okay, well, with that then, we do have public testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3646.938, "end": 3660.479, "text": "Um, I— we have noted that there is a technical amendment that will be introduced today that, that was explained, um, by our, our staff, and, um, there are others that have been floated for either later today or future, uh, conversations, most likely at the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3660.97, "end": 3665.836, "text": "Um, so if there are any other amendments to float now would be a good time before we get into the testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3668.108, "end": 3670.647, "text": "Okay, and I think our testifiers would like— the first group would like to—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3670.647, "end": 3671.98, "text": "Chair, I have my hand up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3672.527, "end": 3673.217, "text": "Sorry, I didn't see it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3673.298, "end": 3673.635, "text": "Go for it.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3673.94, "end": 3687.349, "text": "Uh, I floated at our last meeting but just want to remind folks because it is now filed that when we get to council deliberations, I will be moving Pirtle-Guiney-Zimmerman 1 to the first item, the TAO itself.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3688.512, "end": 3712.805, "text": "Uh, that's the amendment which would move funds from the COEP reserve, the Community Opportunities and Enhancement Program reserve, to COEP to disbursement in this year so that we can continue to support the programs which ensure we have a pipeline of construction workers for our city projects.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3713.795, "end": 3714.104, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3714.282, "end": 3718.306, "text": "And just to clarify, You're moving that after testimony today or when we get to full council?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3719.05, "end": 3720.458, "text": "I had planned to move it today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3720.781, "end": 3720.991, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3721.25, "end": 3724.917, "text": "But if you prefer that we wait and do all amendments at full council, we can do that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3724.965, "end": 3727.118, "text": "I think it's good to— we're doing the technical one today either way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3727.439, "end": 3730.106, "text": "Okay, so I'll move that after testimony today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3730.283, "end": 3732.613, "text": "Great, thanks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3733.223, "end": 3733.98, "text": "Uh, go for it, Rebecca.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3734.045, "end": 3734.466, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3736.135, "end": 3746.084, "text": "Our testifiers for item 366 are Rana Ouzman, Noah Kone and Courtney Hamilton, you can all approach the testimony table.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3755.01, "end": 3767.435, "text": "And Rana, you can start, or whoever's going to go first can start when you're ready.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3768.676, "end": 3768.901, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3769.784, "end": 3770.957, "text": "Well, good morning, Council.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3771.406, "end": 3772.306, "text": "My name is Noah Kone.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3772.354, "end": 3781.606, "text": "I'm the executive director for Constructing Hope, one of Portland's 4 legacy pre-apprenticeship training programs that are coming out in support of this amendment.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3781.847, "end": 3786.762, "text": "And I just wanted to start by acknowledging this is a difficult time, difficult budget years.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3786.81, "end": 3789.011, "text": "There's a lot happening in our country, city, and county.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3789.638, "end": 3793.155, "text": "And so none of that is lost on us as we come to you and ask for support.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3793.974, "end": 3798.631, "text": "But what I wanted to talk about was not something new, but protecting an existing investment.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3799.177, "end": 3814.015, "text": "Over the past decade or so, Portland has very carefully and deliberately built a system that moves people with no prior construction experience into apprenticeships and careers that allow them to earn wages that sustain their households and their families.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3814.673, "end": 3820.599, "text": "Oftentimes, these people are coming from very difficult situations— incarceration, houselessness, recovery.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3821.37, "end": 3824.164, "text": "Domestic violence, food insecurity, just to name a few.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3825.047, "end": 3831.037, "text": "But after completing a pre-apprenticeship, they move on to, you know, paying taxes and earning wages in our communities.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3831.631, "end": 3833.35, "text": "Those dollars benefit neighborhoods.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3834.281, "end": 3835.919, "text": "They're able to keep their families together.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3836.77, "end": 3847.979, "text": "They're also able to no longer depend on the system that the city has to support in order to keep them upright, you know, and those are like the crucial support services and some of the other things that come with that.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3849.777, "end": 3863.031, "text": "So the main thing we wanted to point out was that even on the city's own construction projects, there are some goals set that ensure that members from the community, you know, irrespective of their background, have an opportunity to work on these major infrastructure projects.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3863.577, "end": 3868.904, "text": "And these projects oftentimes have their goals met or exceeded in terms of apprenticeship utilization.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3869.434, "end": 3880.553, "text": "So it's just evidence that the system is working and that people are going from pre-apprenticeship from the community, not having that experience, getting opportunities on these jobs that the city has and moving their lives forward.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3881.307, "end": 3885.285, "text": "And so we just wanted to thank the council for the opportunity to engage around this.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3885.638, "end": 3891.028, "text": "And I particularly wanted to commend Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and Zimmerman for their staunch advocacy and support.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3891.092, "end": 3900.652, "text": "They really leaned in and engaged and talked with these programs and really tried to find a way to support us and support all Portlanders that want to find a way to get upward mobility through the trades.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3901.037, "end": 3902.609, "text": "And so we just thank you for your time and consideration.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3904.229, "end": 3907.566, "text": "Yeah, hi, Courtney Hamilton, Executive Director at Oregon Tradeswomen.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3908.24, "end": 3913.469, "text": "And really just to ping pong off of my, my colleague here, the work that we are doing is so important.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3914.015, "end": 3921.875, "text": "And we are talking about not just making sure that people are meeting their needs in their household, we're also talking about saving money in the longer run, right?", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3922.052, "end": 3929.639, "text": "These programs are designed, like Noah was saying, to get people and individuals off of SNAP, off of housing that's paid for by the government, and make them sustainable in their lives.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3930.55, "end": 3938.901, "text": "But we are also additionally talking about funding that's going to help the people who do the work with us, our amazing teams who make us look really good out in the public.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3938.95, "end": 3942.258, "text": "And as we sit up here today, their lives are being directly impacted.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3942.354, "end": 3943.903, "text": "We are having layoffs.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3944.113, "end": 3949.874, "text": "And I brought some of my wonderful team has stayed or come in today just to help put a face of what that looks like.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3949.939, "end": 3955.779, "text": "They still come in, they do the work regardless of the budget cuts, regardless of the layoffs.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3955.828, "end": 3957.964, "text": "They give the same amount of effort every single time.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3958.012, "end": 3958.255, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3958.612, "end": 3960.008, "text": "And so we're impacting their lives as well.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3960.217, "end": 3970.693, "text": "And additionally, you are talking about up here, in and of itself, almost 70 years' worth of experience in these organizations of pre-apprenticeship programs we put out.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3970.741, "end": 3976.87, "text": "And we pride ourselves on quality, career-ready, apprenticeship-ready individuals.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3977.447, "end": 3987.587, "text": "And these funds, this impacting of our funding directly impacts that when we are talking about sending out these pre-apprentices for these programs, we are wanting to make sure that we put the best forward, right?", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3987.651, "end": 4000.101, "text": "So that as these contractors and as these organizations come back, they can say, hey, I hired from PYB, I hired from Oregon Tradeswomen, I hired from Constructing Hope, and their candidates have been fantastic and phenomenal.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 4000.888, "end": 4014.634, "text": "And so I really am banking off of Noah, as he said, in all of the things that I support, but also adding in there that we also have teams that have lives and families that they support and come to work every day regardless of how difficult it is.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 4014.747, "end": 4022.642, "text": "And again, echoing Noah, Councilman Zimmerman, Ms. Pearl Guiney, thank you so much for your advocacy as well, and everyone who has stepped up in this place.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 4022.724, "end": 4024.872, "text": "So we are wanting to make our faces known.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 4024.969, "end": 4027.638, "text": "And again, thank you for the opportunity to be here in person.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 4030.53, "end": 4031.382, "text": "Hello, council members.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 4031.495, "end": 4032.138, "text": "My name is Rana.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 4032.219, "end": 4034.535, "text": "I'm the executive director of Portland Youth Builders.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 4035.13, "end": 4039.929, "text": "Before you, you have 3 of the 4 longstanding BOLI-certified pre-apprenticeship programs.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 4039.977, "end": 4047.396, "text": "And I think it's important for council members to know we represent collectively over 100 years of workforce development experience.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 4048.237, "end": 4049.902, "text": "We have been doing this work for a long time.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 4050.097, "end": 4054.139, "text": "We take pride in the work that we do, and we're good at what we do.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 4055.73, "end": 4061.787, "text": "Since the implementation of co-op, PYB has been able to serve almost 200 people so far.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 4062.349, "end": 4067.723, "text": "In the past 3 years, PYB has an 85% completion and placement rate for the folks in the co-op program.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 4068.793, "end": 4072.33, "text": "As you all know, workforce development is more than just finding a job.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 4072.379, "end": 4072.508, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 4073.14, "end": 4079.146, "text": "It's about creating opportunities, uplifting communities, building skills, and opening doors that are typically closed.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 4079.869, "end": 4091.401, "text": "In the communities we serve, people are ready and willing to work, but they face barriers such as limited access to training, limited financial resources, lack of transportation, and minimal career opportunities.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 4092.22, "end": 4098.869, "text": "Rather than removing funds from pre-apprenticeship programs that provide these resources, we need to further invest in them.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 4100.329, "end": 4102.51, "text": "This investment bolsters the local economy.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 4103.167, "end": 4108.94, "text": "It allows businesses to grow at scale, and it supports the long-term sustainability of Portland.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 4110.127, "end": 4113.222, "text": "At PYB, we do more than train people for construction careers.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 4113.575, "end": 4116.99, "text": "At pre-apprenticeship programs, we do more than train people for construction careers.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 4117.343, "end": 4122.074, "text": "We invest in people, you know, who have been historically overlooked.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 4122.539, "end": 4123.806, "text": "We strengthen our workforce.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 4124.159, "end": 4131.265, "text": "We reduce economic inequality and create a future where more families have the opportunities to thrive.", "speaker": "Rana Uthman" 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conclude testimony on all 3 items?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 4166.305, "end": 4166.564, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4167.049, "end": 4168.035, "text": "Great, thank you so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4168.099, "end": 4169.053, "text": "Thanks everyone for being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4170.54, "end": 4171.875, "text": "All right, well, we'll move into the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4172.038, "end": 4173.635, "text": "We can discuss all of these.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4173.831, "end": 4177.154, "text": "Eventually we'll be taking, uh, votes on whether to refer them to the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4177.817, "end": 4180.689, "text": "Um, please feel free to, to offer amendments at this time as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4180.883, "end": 4184.755, "text": "I will do the technical one if no one's in the queue, so I'll just do the technical one first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4185.518, "end": 4192.518, "text": "Um, so I'll formally move Technical Amendment 1, which is the one that, um, uh, Ruth mentioned earlier, and ask for a second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4193.108, "end": 4193.789, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4195.832, "end": 4199.221, "text": "Is there any discussion on Technical Amendment 1?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4200.21, "end": 4200.928, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4203.26, "end": 4204.377, "text": "I was in the queue for another issue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4204.94, "end": 4208.4, "text": "Okay, is there any discussion?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4209.628, "end": 4213.007, "text": "All right, Rebecca, will you please call the roll on Technical Amendment 1?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4214.42, "end": 4223.002, "text": "Calling the roll on Technical Amendment 1, and that is to item, uh, 2, document 2026-366.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4223.95, "end": 4224.529, "text": "Uh, Clark?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4225.477, "end": 4225.525, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4226.296, "end": 4226.585, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4227.485, "end": 4227.646, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4228.385, "end": 4228.835, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4229.172, "end": 4229.189, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4231.537, "end": 4231.585, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4232.833, "end": 4232.914, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4237.771, "end": 4237.9, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4238.497, "end": 4238.545, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4243.514, "end": 4243.981, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4244.223, "end": 4244.272, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4244.901, "end": 4245.094, "text": "Knell?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4245.514, "end": 4245.675, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4246.562, "end": 4249.406, "text": "And the amendment is approved with 11 aye and 1 absent vote.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4250.456, "end": 4251.07, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4251.571, "end": 4253.009, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, would you like to introduce?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4254.37, "end": 4254.782, "text": "Uh, I would.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4254.881, "end": 4259.153, "text": "I would like to move Pirtle-Guiney-Zimmerman 1 Is there a second?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4259.667, "end": 4260.036, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4260.693, "end": 4263.228, "text": "Okay, uh, moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4263.902, "end": 4266.356, "text": "Uh, and, uh, I don't know if you'd like to speak to it first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4266.404, "end": 4268.779, "text": "We'd already spoken to the other one, but please feel free to go ahead.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4269.356, "end": 4269.773, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4269.837, "end": 4288.962, "text": "And colleagues, I went over this at our last meeting, but just to provide a little bit of background for folks who were not here then, the Community Opportunities and Enhancement Program, or COEP, exists so that when the city invests in public construction projects, those investments prepare local Portlanders for that construction work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4289.09, "end": 4297.982, "text": "Essentially, we fund our pipeline, and we do so in a way that creates opportunities for Portlanders who have historically been left out of construction trades.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-671", 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organization for implementation, and we brought it back in.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4334.057, "end": 4338.185, "text": "When we did that, we knew that we would need to build a more sustainable program.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4338.673, "end": 4344.58, "text": "And direct more resources or more stable resources toward the organizations doing this work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4346.4, "end": 4353.196, "text": "We didn't have— we just don't have the massive projects that we once did, and that's changed how these programs work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4353.357, "end": 4357.149, "text": "But we still need to make sure that there is a bottom-line support for them.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4358.672, "end": 4363.87, "text": "When we made that transition, we did not know that there was a plan to pause the program.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4365.366, "end": 4366.458, "text": "Within the administration.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4367.197, "end": 4371.55, "text": "In fact, we were told that nothing was going to change, and that's not what happened.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4371.694, "end": 4372.321, "text": "There was a pause.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4373.156, "end": 4391.015, "text": "So Councilor Zimmerman and I have been working with the administration to undo that, to make sure that these programs can continue, that there's stability, and that the pipeline that we have been investing in as a city continues to be invested in, that Portlanders continue to be invested in as they make their way Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4391.255, "end": 4397.202, "text": "From needing some supports to working high-wage, living-wage jobs in our community.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4398.5, "end": 4427.875, "text": "We had asked for a $350,000 release from co-op reserves, which the mayor asked our staff to put in the TAO, but we learned that that was not quite enough, that some organizations still had some serious concerns about viability unless we increased The amendment before you today increases funding to $600,000 so that those programs are at a sustainable level moving forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4428.506, "end": 4441.606, "text": "The co-op reserves have around $2 million in them, so we're still leaving a healthy amount available as we move through the work of reforming the program to a more sustainable path in the long run.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4442.98, "end": 4446.658, "text": "Colleagues, we need to make sure that our public 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"Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4474.614, "end": 4478.574, "text": "And I'm not sure if my co-sponsor has anything he'd like to add.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4479.103, "end": 4479.408, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4479.488, "end": 4487.167, "text": "And just a nod to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and her leadership on this, and an important lift and timely lift, as she mentioned.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4487.215, "end": 4488.032, "text": "So I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4488.882, "end": 4499.463, "text": "You know, in terms of when I think about my discussions and commitments to how do we create and keep apprenticeships within the pipeline within the Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4500.893, "end": 4516.382, "text": "And I think that's important when we talk about what does workforce development mean and what does it mean to build wealth within the family structure, what does it mean to have available work, and what's it mean to make sure when we're a town who values a worker, like, this is that kind of action.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4516.494, "end": 4518.76, "text": "So thank you for identifying it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4518.824, "end": 4525.17, "text": "Thank you, Councilor, for helping kind of use the scalpel to find the exact spot to insert here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4525.251, "end": 4531.663, "text": "And I think Thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4532.132, "end": 4535.143, "text": "First of all, I'm very supportive of this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4535.289, "end": 4537.278, "text": "I've been supportive of this for a couple decades.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4537.392, "end": 4540.141, "text": "It was a big part of my work at All Hands Raised.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4540.206, "end": 4552.188, "text": "In fact, I know all the organizations that are here 'cause we brought you into the table, if you will, when high schools in the area, in my opinion, were asleep at the wheel for a few decades.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4552.723, "end": 4554.055, "text": "About pathways to trades.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4554.553, "end": 4557.765, "text": "It was kind of like college or Walmart and the military.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4557.845, "end": 4558.246, "text": "Good luck.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 4558.969, "end": 4565.536, "text": "So we kept trying to introduce that there's actually these wonderful pathways after high school where you can build some generational wealth.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 4565.729, "end": 4570.899, "text": "And of course, the public projects, the big public projects are one of the best opportunities to do that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 4571.653, "end": 4573.339, "text": "And so I'm really excited about this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4573.436, "end": 4576.374, "text": "I have more of an operational civics type question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4576.487, "end": 4577.739, "text": "So we have reserves for this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4577.787, "end": 4577.835, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4578.718, "end": 4582.841, "text": "And I was part of a group that's been pushing for those reserves.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4582.905, "end": 4586.611, "text": "And so I think I'm just confused why we have to do this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4587.301, "end": 4600.649, "text": "Is it to underscore that this must take place this year because we're letting the city administration know that we expect those reserves to be spent this year?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4601.259, "end": 4612.322, "text": "And then I have questions about the long term because We don't want to just do this in this year when we know darn well that we're in for a buckling up few years when it comes to construction.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4612.9, "end": 4617.124, "text": "And I want to make sure that we actually do have long-term stability here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4617.574, "end": 4621.765, "text": "So how many more years can we tap into this reserve to make this sustainable?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4621.83, "end": 4627.772, "text": "And is this going to be— which in my opinion is the most concrete thing we do for equity— is this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4628.639, "end": 4629.844, "text": "It operationalizes equity.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4629.972, "end": 4630.245, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4631.144, "end": 4638.177, "text": "Money talks to allow people to actually build, become independent, and have a long-term life that's sustainable themselves.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4638.755, "end": 4641.999, "text": "And that's what we're about when we do equity work, in my opinion.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4642.561, "end": 4647.699, "text": "So that's my confusion, is this action seems necessary perhaps.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4648.164, "end": 4655.278, "text": "I know Sylvester's here, but I just want to hear, is this an annual thing we have to do to say this is a priority still, please expend the funds?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4656.032, "end": 4661.743, "text": "Yeah, so I'm gonna speak to the first part and then these folks can speak more to the specifics.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4661.807, "end": 4681.505, "text": "But on the budgetary piece, the reason this action is needed is that these funds, this is a good example of these funds were reserved for future expenditures in that the program had budgeted them there with the expectation that they would expend them in future years.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4681.602, "end": 4685.405, "text": "And they can talk more about the, financial sustainability of the program.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4685.469, "end": 4688.294, "text": "But budgetarily, that's where they were budgeted.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4688.358, "end": 4694.104, "text": "And so they— the program could not spend that unless council moves money out of those reserve—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4694.441, "end": 4694.585, "text": "Those—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4695.019, "end": 4698.726, "text": "That bucket of reserve for future expenditures and into the program's budget for this year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4699.192, "end": 4704.199, "text": "So this is, from that perspective, this action is required to allow them to spend it in this year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4704.392, "end": 4706.494, "text": "Council has to make that action, take that action.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4706.639, "end": 4707.136, "text": "I get that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4707.185, "end": 4709.335, "text": "I'm just hope— and I'm all in again.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4709.608, "end": 4719.216, "text": "I just hope that this would become a part of our culture So that we wouldn't have to go snatch, but it would be like a part of what we're actually doing each year with our priorities.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4719.409, "end": 4720.515, "text": "So yeah, and I think that's where the—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4720.515, "end": 4725.711, "text": "We don't make people who are working hard have to come down here and testify basically because it's not in our culture to do this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4726.064, "end": 4726.561, "text": "Yeah, sorry.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4726.77, "end": 4734.34, "text": "The, um, I think the, the, the unique nature of the financing for this program is why this was needed.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4734.468, "end": 4742.795, "text": "And so I'm going to let Elizabeth take over on kind of how the Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4744.313, "end": 4747.462, "text": "Elizabeth Hilt, Business Operations Division Manager.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4748.54, "end": 4761.399, "text": "The budget, or the reserve fund for Co-op, is balanced over a 5-year period to keep the program sustainable with revenues that are fluctuating.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4762.625, "end": 4765.98, "text": "That's why we need to move it out of reserves and into the budget to appropriate it.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4766.028, "end": 4766.319, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4768.074, "end": 4775.157, "text": "If the council wants to make this long-term, then we have to keep an eye on that reserve fund being big enough to make sure that we can do this action.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4775.446, "end": 4777.662, "text": "Otherwise, we'll be draining it out in the next 2 to 3 years.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4778.803, "end": 4788.584, "text": "If we— if you decide as a council to fund the program at a higher level, that will draw on reserves and the future 4 years would change.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4789.435, "end": 4790.832, "text": "Okay, this is really helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4790.929, "end": 4792.663, "text": "I hope it's been helpful to my colleagues as well.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4793.032, "end": 4797.668, "text": "So that we can actually have our eyes wide open so we don't have to do this trick every year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4798.086, "end": 4798.807, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4799.834, "end": 4800.909, "text": "Uh, Sylvester, good to see you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4800.957, "end": 4802.994, "text": "Would you like to add since you're the one that operates the program?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4803.139, "end": 4804.647, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4804.968, "end": 4814.529, "text": "Um, Council, Council, um, I just want to make sure it's also very clear that these are— some of these dollars are ratepayer dollars, and we also have to adhere to legal requirements as well.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4814.705, "end": 4824.363, "text": "So that being said, in consideration, um, I know that the conversation should be also brought up that it's a long-term sustainable model for these programs as well.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 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4880.42, "end": 4884.636, "text": "These community opportunities and enhancement programs change people's lives.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4885.213, "end": 4893.452, "text": "Um, I think all the parts to it are important, but I want to hone in specifically on the workforce development piece and the pre-apprenticeship trainings.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4893.949, "end": 4904.894, "text": "I know a kiddo who actually— I didn't, I didn't teach this kiddo, I've known her since she was 7 and saw her bounce around to a lot of different schools and, um, eventually graduated.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4904.958, "end": 4913.484, "text": "That was challenging, um, but she's 18 now and she's, um, connected with one of these programs and it's, um, been wonderful.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4913.532, "end": 4915.86, "text": "And she's really 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"speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4982.132, "end": 4991.95, "text": "The decision was made within procurement, and I can let Sylvester speak to the why, to pause the program in order to look at long-term sustainability and what changes needed to be made.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 4992.88, "end": 4999.169, "text": "Stakeholders came forward and said if you pause this program, the pipeline that the city has worked hard to build is at risk.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 4999.57, "end": 5002.329, "text": "Some of these organizations may not make it through a long pause.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 5003.902, "end": 5023.332, "text": "So what we're bringing forward today is essentially that reconsideration to say we need to make sure that we continue to invest in this pipeline while we look at the long-term program sustainability rather than stopping 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the end of a term of an IGA with Prosper, and we were assessing the financial viability of continuing on and not draining the fund completely.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5055.8, "end": 5062.369, "text": "But also being allowed to be able to help sustain the programs and our help with these particular programs in the community.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5062.497, "end": 5064.564, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5065.045, "end": 5070.268, "text": "And then the money— I keep hearing fund, and I just want to make sure I know which funds we're talking about.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5070.316, "end": 5072.592, "text": "So something about a $2 million fund.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5072.656, "end": 5076.934, "text": "Does Co-op have a $2 million reserve fund, and is that where this is coming from?", 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"cue-808", "start": 5106.719, "end": 5113.001, "text": "So this draws those out of RFE and then also puts them into procurement's budget so that they're available for them to spend.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5114.559, "end": 5117.018, "text": "And so then the remaining amount in the fund is—.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5118.078, "end": 5120.247, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5120.36, "end": 5133.156, "text": "If the money— if you pass this amendment today, the amount in the fund contingency will be $1.77 million, and that will become the beginning fund balance for next fiscal year.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5133.719, "end": 5137.548, "text": "Because that's the net of the $350,600, all that, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5137.709, "end": 5159.928, "text": "That's why it's $1.7 And then, um, so as far as if we take this action, and this action will mean that for what, and between now and July of next year we will continue the program, but then after that there will technically be no funding, and before end of July we need to figure out how to find more funding for the program?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5160.474, "end": 5165.083, "text": "We have continued revenues coming from the infrastructure bureaus to continue the program.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5165.597, "end": 5172.773, "text": "So the beginning fund balance will be $1.7 million projected, and then we will receive revenues next year that we will bill.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5173.72, "end": 5174.972, "text": "And that is a projection.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5175.823, "end": 5185.247, "text": "If, if we fund the program around $900,000 per year, we can keep the fund or keep the 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"text": "We will be able to sustain it for— at the, at the actual, or the current the current model or current requested model.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5250.93, "end": 5257.46, "text": "But we also have to have a conversation about what is the long-term sustainability and viability of the program.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5257.46, "end": 5259.03, "text": "We really do have to have that conversation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5259.5, "end": 5267.78, "text": "I think where I'm confused, it's like there was what, $350,000 for the program, which is not the full amount of $900,000.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5267.78, "end": 5271.32, "text": "We're putting $600,000— rough numbers here— we're putting $600,000 in.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5271.32, "end": 5278.662, "text": "But I'm also hearing you say 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"cue-840", "start": 5293.305, "end": 5294.221, "text": "I'm Riley Williams.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 5294.269, "end": 5297.111, "text": "I work with Elizabeth in business operations.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5297.159, "end": 5302.756, "text": "And so there was a 2-year IGA with Prosper, and each year of that IGA was about $2.6 million.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5303.51, "end": 5315.148, "text": "And so when that was signed, we kind of knew like, okay, in FY 26-27, we're going to be down significantly, um, our program budget.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5315.212, "end": 5324.414, "text": "So at that point, um, you know, we, we started talking about that, you know, having, having all of these budget issues in the future.", "speaker": "Riley Williams" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5324.59, "end": 5336.645, "text": "And so now we're here Where, you 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particular amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5355.11, "end": 5357.79, "text": "Um, so if anyone wants to get in, please feel free to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5358.11, "end": 5359.71, "text": "I had 3 questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5359.71, "end": 5364.99, "text": "Just to clarify, there's $300,000 that's already in here, and this is raising it to $900,000, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5364.99, "end": 5366.95, "text": "This is the— this is all new $600,000, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5366.95, "end": 5368.43, "text": "It's not—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5368.43, "end": 5381.49, "text": "There's $350,000 that was previously in here, and this raises it to $600,000, or this raises it by $600,000 to $950,000.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 5381.588, "end": 5383.467, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 5384.768, "end": 5388.928, "text": "And as we heard just a moment ago, in previous years it was $2.5 million.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5389.105, "end": 5397.233, "text": "So this is that balance point of it's a significant reduction from what it was but allows for program sustainability.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5398.662, "end": 5399.722, "text": "Yeah, no, that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5399.787, "end": 5401.007, "text": "Just wanted to get that on the record.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 5401.104, "end": 5416.809, "text": "The second question I had was that, you know, this is 2 increases of $600,000, and that's because you're adding $600,000 as an inter-fund cash transfer to one fund and then bringing it in and putting it as an expense for what it actually does, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 5416.969, "end": 5417.355, "text": "That's correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 5417.548, "end": 5426.147, "text": "So this is how we have an $8.5 billion budget with $6.5 actual billions of dollars, because we're double counting the same money here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 5426.228, "end": 5428.051, "text": "Just wanted to take that opportunity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 5432.492, "end": 5436.519, "text": "How much of the deprioritization of this program has to do with the mayor's executive order?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 5439.206, "end": 5441.301, "text": "Can you— I'm sorry, Councilor, can you repeat that question?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 5441.542, "end": 5450.137, "text": "How much of the conversation around the prior to this amendment deprioritization of this program has to do with the mayor's executive order on DEI?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 5453.703, "end": 5458.2, "text": "As of now, that is not in consideration.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 5458.474, "end": 5459.538, "text": "That was not a consideration.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 5459.667, "end": 5466.473, "text": "It was part of the program bundle, but we assessed that Co-op, as it stands, is about workforce.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 5467.292, "end": 5467.549, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 5467.934, "end": 5468.753, "text": "Workforce itself.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 5468.834, "end": 5472.769, "text": "And that is something completely different than the mayor's executive 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"speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 5501.454, "end": 5502.747, "text": "Thanks for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 5503.41, "end": 5506.256, "text": "Yeah, I'm personally prepared to support this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 5507.533, "end": 5514.638, "text": "And I wanted to thank Noah, Courtney, and Rana for coming in and appreciate someone who's willing to say we are good at it and own that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 5514.945, "end": 5516.575, "text": "I appreciate that a lot.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 5516.801, "end": 5518.335, "text": "Often we are told not to say that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 5519.527, "end": 5519.751, "text": "Own it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 5521.001, "end": 5522.668, "text": "So that's my comments.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5522.972, "end": 5523.805, "text": "Queue is now closed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5523.869, "end": 5525.087, "text": "Councilor Ryan will be last in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 5525.135, "end": 5525.392, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 5526.337, "end": 5527.923, "text": "I just have one quick question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 5528.18, "end": 5531.352, "text": "I'm unclear about Prosper Portland's role.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 5531.977, "end": 5536.464, "text": "I think I would like to hear what they have passed through in this equation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 5536.672, "end": 5545.709, "text": "They were a pass-through and they supported business technical assistance and they work with our community partners in terms of trying to create expansive support for small business and startups.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 5546.046, "end": 5549.427, "text": "Who also was subcontractors who also supported workforce.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 5550.612, "end": 5550.917, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 5550.965, "end": 5564.184, "text": "So we subcontract, if you will, or contract with Prosper Partner, okay, with our quasi-government agency Prosper Portland, who then subcontracts with the people that are actually doing the work on the ground.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 5564.328, "end": 5564.584, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5565.049, "end": 5565.946, "text": "Is that what we're doing here?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5566.972, "end": 5567.212, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5567.757, "end": 5568.013, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5569.471, "end": 5573.925, "text": "It's always good to follow the bouncing ball, and it was a little confusing when I heard that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5574.327, "end": 5578.092, "text": "I hope that we're not expending too much money with all of those bouncing balls.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5579.17, "end": 5581.44, "text": "Getting the money directly to the partners is always great.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5581.747, "end": 5582.07, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5584.572, "end": 5586.363, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5586.412, "end": 5590.931, "text": "I, I think, uh, recent news articles make, uh, make those very good questions, and I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5591.496, "end": 5594.207, "text": "Um, all right, that concludes the queue on the amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5594.255, "end": 5597.111, "text": "Rebecca, will you please call the roll on Amendment Pirtle-Guiney-Zimmerman 1?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5598.515, "end": 5608.562, "text": "Uh, this is Amendment Pirtle-Guiney 1 to, uh, ordinance document number 2026-366, moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5609.471, "end": 5609.812, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5611.012, "end": 5611.061, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5612.002, "end": 5612.294, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5613.933, "end": 5613.982, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5615.325, "end": 5615.357, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5616.759, "end": 5616.92, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5618.29, "end": 5618.451, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5619.015, "end": 5622.075, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5624.125, "end": 5624.256, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5624.874, "end": 5625.264, "text": "Morillo?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5625.536, "end": 5626.531, "text": "Thanks for bringing this forward.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5626.595, "end": 5626.692, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5627.398, "end": 5627.88, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5628.105, "end": 5628.153, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5628.827, "end": 5629.036, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5629.55, "end": 5629.598, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5630.368, "end": 5632.134, "text": "The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5633.242, "end": 5633.499, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5633.884, "end": 5637.24, "text": "Well, now we'll go back to the main queue on all 3 of these items.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5638.011, "end": 5640.756, "text": "So please, colleagues, feel free to get into the queue on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5641.366, "end": 5642.297, "text": "Council President Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5642.972, "end": 5643.598, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 5643.678, "end": 5648.398, "text": "I just emailed around an amendment titled Dunphy 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 5648.511, "end": 5651.449, "text": "This is on behalf of our friends in Council Operations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 5652.203, "end": 5653.645, "text": "There's an updated version of the language.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5653.693, "end": 5656.755, "text": "The city attorney's caught a tiny tweak to it that is coming.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5656.996, "end": 5658.519, "text": "Oh, there it landed in your inbox right now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5659.497, "end": 5661.821, "text": "Functionally, this is an authorization.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5661.885, "end": 5673.941, "text": "It has no dollar amounts attached to it, but it authorizes the council operations team to provide merit increases to the council ops staff using their existing appropriations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5674.229, "end": 5677.437, "text": "Currently, because of the odd sort of configuration of how Yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5677.519, "end": 5679.96, "text": "Council Ops exists within our operation structure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5681.431, "end": 5686.854, "text": "Our Council Operations Manager Dana doesn't have authority to give any merit increases.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5686.902, "end": 5695.682, "text": "And so this would just authorize, in collaboration with the Council President, the ability to give merit increases.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5696.745, "end": 5698.861, "text": "And the language is in your inbox.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5698.942, "end": 5702.646, "text": "As I said, there was a minor tweak from our city attorneys.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5702.695, "end": 5703.848, "text": "And so the language is there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5704.125, "end": 5707.433, "text": "And I would formally move this, and I would ask for a second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5709.34, "end": 5710.019, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5711.345, "end": 5715.192, "text": "There's an amendment moved by Councilor Dunphy, seconded by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5715.532, "end": 5719.209, "text": "Uh, we'll get into the queue, and I'll start with Councilor Smith, and then I'm next in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5721.343, "end": 5721.762, "text": "Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5721.81, "end": 5722.068, "text": "Chair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5722.696, "end": 5724.95, "text": "Uh, Council President, I'd like to know a little bit more.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5725.03, "end": 5730.537, "text": "Why would the Council President be responsible for giving merit in council operations?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5730.952, "end": 5732.783, "text": "And not just Dana?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5733.024, "end": 5739.479, "text": "Yeah, in our, in our org structure, that decision has to go up to the highest level of manager at there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5739.687, "end": 5742.16, "text": "And technically, the Council Operations reports to the Council President.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5742.979, "end": 5750.06, "text": "And so they— she doesn't have— in her current job description as a manager, she doesn't have the legal authority to give merit.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5750.285, "end": 5751.055, "text": "And so that has to come.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5751.344, "end": 5755.696, "text": "And so she would make the recommendation to you and you would approve or disapprove?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5756.386, "end": 5760.552, "text": "Yes, uh, the, the merit-based, even though these folks don't work for you, right?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5760.713, "end": 5762.059, "text": "Or whoever the next council president is.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5762.203, "end": 5767.619, "text": "So council president would make those decisions and they don't have the day-to-day with, with these folks?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5767.94, "end": 5777.923, "text": "Because there's a couple things that go on with this that I think it also should include councilors, because the, um, council operation folks are, uh, admins.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5778.581, "end": 5786.45, "text": "They report to us on a daily basis and nobody asked me about whether or not they should have a merit, because I work with them every day.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5786.885, "end": 5788.901, "text": "Not you, not Dana.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 5789.223, "end": 5799.139, "text": "So I think we need to add something in there that there should be some kind of conversation done with the districts, because we're the ones who, who basically, um, watch their day-to-day.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 5800.838, "end": 5813.538, "text": "And if you want to, if you want to make sure that we all can have a say, you might want to give us our own Admit, because I think you will probably likely to get 3 different stories.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 5814.598, "end": 5819.415, "text": "And this is not just the front desk folks in each of our districts, but also our committee staff as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 5819.495, "end": 5820.266, "text": "Oh, I understand.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 5820.619, "end": 5822.096, "text": "I don't want to do anything over committees.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 5822.144, "end": 5826.431, "text": "I'm talking about specifically the admin who they do not supervise on a daily basis.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5826.56, "end": 5833.785, "text": "You don't supervise them other than the ones that's right in front of you, but I supervise the one that's in front of me, and I think that we need to have some input as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5834.444, "end": 5836.45, "text": "Well, uh, heard, absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5837.157, "end": 5841.716, "text": "And I will say that ultimately Dana is their, their direct manager for each of the 4 district offices.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5842.15, "end": 5844.542, "text": "They do report to us and they, they do work at our—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5844.574, "end": 5848.828, "text": "Excuse me, Council President, I don't mean to interrupt, but she does.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5848.877, "end": 5849.872, "text": "That is, that is who she is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5849.936, "end": 5860.227, "text": "This is like the city administrator, he has all the bureaus under him, but the people who actually work with those people every single day should have some sort of input about merit.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5864.928, "end": 5866.003, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5866.083, "end": 5867.607, "text": "I'll go to Councilor Green next.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5868.458, "end": 5869.709, "text": "Thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5869.982, "end": 5873.319, "text": "Um, thank you, Council President, for bringing this forward.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 5873.367, "end": 5874.57, "text": "I think it's appropriate.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 5874.795, "end": 5885.801, "text": "Um, I mean, I think I, I convey feedback all the time to Dana about our staff, and I think that's every councilor's prerogative to do.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 5886.283, "end": 5895.984, "text": "We should be communicating with the director of the council operations staff to say, hey, I'm having a good experience, this person's doing a good job, or hey, I'd like to see some of these tweaked.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 5896.097, "end": 5901.156, "text": "And so that's our opportunity to provide general feedback, even outside of the merit question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 5901.783, "end": 5908.416, "text": "I think when we hire someone and say you're responsible for managing this person, we vest with them some sort of level of discretion.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 5909.091, "end": 5910.697, "text": "Otherwise, what's the point, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 5910.794, "end": 5911.709, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 5911.79, "end": 5919.777, "text": "And I'll just note that I think it's pretty common to have an approval hierarchy of merit increases.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 5919.825, "end": 5932.018, "text": "I mean, in my prior world as a federal employee, I think, you know, to get a certain merit bump, I needed my boss's boss to say yes to that, even though I didn't work with my boss's boss on a daily basis.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 5932.066, "end": 5933.064, "text": "So I think this is appropriate.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 5933.112, "end": 5934.045, "text": "This is the right way to do it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 5934.206, "end": 5942.921, "text": "And I think it's important that we give that tool to Dana so she can, um, fairly compensate these folks who work really hard for our city.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 5942.986, "end": 5943.489, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 5944.105, "end": 5944.609, "text": "I'm going to support.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 5947.118, "end": 5947.958, "text": "And I'm next in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 5948.49, "end": 5951.589, "text": "Uh, Council President, I guess I had a couple questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 5951.653, "end": 5962.035, "text": "First, it's— it seems strange to me to amend an ordinance from a few months ago in this ordinance as opposed to just doing it through the vehicle of the TAO itself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 5962.1, "end": 5963.107, "text": "Can you speak to that piece?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 5963.79, "end": 5970.571, "text": "Uh, yeah, I don't honestly fully appreciate the, the The reason why we're doing that, but that was just at the advice of Heidi Brown.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 5971.55, "end": 5972.641, "text": "Okay, so I'm not totally clear.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 5972.706, "end": 5976.75, "text": "I don't know if there's further information about what that one-two step is.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 5976.862, "end": 5977.167, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 5977.649, "end": 5978.676, "text": "I see Heidi shaking her head back there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 5978.724, "end": 5979.414, "text": "Maybe you could help.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 5980.874, "end": 5982.078, "text": "And also Ruth can help.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 5982.255, "end": 5985.561, "text": "Sorry, this does amend the— this does amend the TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 5985.689, "end": 5987.519, "text": "It adds a directive to the TAO itself.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 5988.337, "end": 5993.039, "text": "Okay, it says in the email we got, amend Ordinance 192207.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 5993.38, "end": 5999.881, "text": "Which is the supplemental budget we passed a couple months ago, as opposed to just adding a new directive here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 6002.232, "end": 6007.326, "text": "Sorry, I think that part, Ordinance 192207, should not be there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 6007.616, "end": 6011.622, "text": "I think it should just say amend the fall technical adjustment ordinance.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 6012.109, "end": 6012.547, "text": "There you go.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 6012.709, "end": 6022.431, "text": "Okay, so we will— I'm going to go ahead and withdraw the amendment for right now, just make sure we have the actual technical language fixed and tightened up, and I will reintroduce this at the full council.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 6023.427, "end": 6023.588, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 6024.375, "end": 6028.842, "text": "Um, I, I guess just to put on the record what my other questions were— um, it's—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 6028.971, "end": 6029.437, "text": "You're good.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 6029.533, "end": 6031.397, "text": "They're for council, council president here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 6031.461, "end": 6037.856, "text": "But I, I, I do think, just to, uh, put that on the record for later, I, I think there is a conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 6037.953, "end": 6042.918, "text": "I agree with, with Councilor Smith about how council operations operates.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 6043.03, "end": 6050.851, "text": "I think the way that it's working with the folks that are in the office is different than the ones that are in our offices.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 6050.899, "end": 6054.703, "text": "And I'm very fortunate as a D2 councilor, we're very well supported.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 6055.217, "end": 6056.934, "text": "I can't speak to all the others.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 6056.983, "end": 6059.712, "text": "I'm sure they are as well, but I just don't have that exposure.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 6060.835, "end": 6073.035, "text": "And so, but I do think that there's sort of a conversation about how that team works and how it's not, how it's structurally as opposed to culturally independent from the council president.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 6073.148, "end": 6088.225, "text": "'Cause right now it is culturally independent in the sense that I don't think there's been any issue with individual councilors, but there are council presidents directing it in any necessarily subjective way, but there's no structure that protects that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 6088.53, "end": 6093.893, "text": "And so I wanna make sure that that's a broader conversation and that this doesn't sort of preclude that conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 6093.989, "end": 6096.928, "text": "That's one of the big things that we haven't, I think, gotten into yet.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 6098.967, "end": 6099.561, "text": "But I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 6099.625, "end": 6101.183, "text": "So the amendment has been withdrawn.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 6102.098, "end": 6103.976, "text": "Um, we're now back in the main queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 6104.908, "end": 6107.621, "text": "Um, Councilor Smith, are you still— are you in the main queue?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 6108.536, "end": 6109.821, "text": "I have a point of order.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 6110.046, "end": 6115.794, "text": "Um, so can I say one last thing about this that I wanted us to be aware of?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 6115.842, "end": 6125.522, "text": "I know it's going to the, uh, big council, but we also need to understand, remember, the mayor has put a hold on merit raises for all employees.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 6126.051, "end": 6132.061, "text": "So our council ops will be getting something that somebody— that none of our other employees are getting at this point.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 6132.109, "end": 6139.225, "text": "So I just want to— I know, uh, uh, Council President, that you like to be in order and you want to make sure that things are done right and transparent.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 6139.963, "end": 6143.729, "text": "Just understand no one else is getting this ability to do this right now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 6143.841, "end": 6145.813, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6146.55, "end": 6151.727, "text": "Just, just to be clear, that's not technically a point of order, but you're in the queue, so it's all fine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6152.223, "end": 6161.117, "text": "Uh, but wanted to, uh, There are some limited cases still in the city where we can give merit increases.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6161.871, "end": 6169.868, "text": "It is typically restricted, and you're right, the mayor has restricted merit increases for folks in the executive.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6170.542, "end": 6172.292, "text": "That doesn't apply to the legislative branch though.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6172.71, "end": 6178.795, "text": "We can give merit increases to our staff, and that is sort of part of why this structurally is a little bit different.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6179.7, "end": 6185.059, "text": "With Council Operations being a direct report to the council, that was the thought there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6185.35, "end": 6186.937, "text": "But that is a valid point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6188.664, "end": 6190.81, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6192.085, "end": 6192.876, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6194.135, "end": 6194.716, "text": "Thanks, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6195.329, "end": 6200.821, "text": "Council President, you've withdrawn the amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6203.004, "end": 6217.648, "text": "We still want to make sure that That there is an opportunity, if a raise is appropriate, for that to occur without this amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6218.354, "end": 6219.334, "text": "What is the process?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6219.431, "end": 6222.9, "text": "Does that go directly to you and Dana doesn't have a say?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6223.334, "end": 6227.141, "text": "No, currently there's not an ability for merit increases for anybody in Council Ops.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6228.088, "end": 6229.694, "text": "I will be reintroducing a new amendment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6229.759, "end": 6233.999, "text": "I will work with our friends at CBO and the city attorneys to make sure that the language is accurate.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6234.256, "end": 6237.776, "text": "And that we are not referencing old resolutions or ordinances.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6237.888, "end": 6238.226, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6241.971, "end": 6242.244, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6242.308, "end": 6243.758, "text": "And I appreciate that clarification.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6243.823, "end": 6246.685, "text": "And the independence of the legislative branch is really helpful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6246.83, "end": 6248.641, "text": "I'm in the queue, so this is me starting to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6249.36, "end": 6259.509, "text": "I did want to raise— I'm not going to do anything amendment-wise about it today, but just wanted to flag, I raised in the work session a few specific decision packages that I had questions about.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6260.499, "end": 6264.642, "text": "Specifically related to a large encumbrance carryover for Portland Solutions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6265.384, "end": 6276.064, "text": "And the process questions were a big part of that as to why we built a budget that required an encumbrance carryover after talking about that last year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6276.741, "end": 6300.379, "text": "I also wanted to ask, and we'll follow up, I'm just saying it in the interest of time to not ask questions now because I'll raise them at the council, about decision package 28447, which talks about, um, allowing for 2 more TIF districts, um, as a, uh, like a $10 million move there, um, to allow for bonds to be issued for 2 more TIF districts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6300.523, "end": 6306.769, "text": "And then I raised, I think, 4 other ones during the, um, the work sessions that I'm going to follow up on as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6307.653, "end": 6323.659, "text": "Um, I don't expect to have amendments so much as I just haven't had a You just flagged—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6323.659, "end": 6324.18, "text": "Thank you, Chair Knoll.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6324.228, "end": 6325.514, "text": "You just flagged something that caught my interest.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6326.01, "end": 6326.925, "text": "2 new TIF districts?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6327.07, "end": 6330.83, "text": "Are these in addition to the ones that were expanded, or can you elaborate?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6331.328, "end": 6331.97, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6332.629, "end": 6335.958, "text": "So that's the reason for the question in the first place.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6336.095, "end": 6336.404, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 6337.557, "end": 6341.924, "text": "If— I don't know if any staffers can speak to 28447.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 6342.936, "end": 6346.548, "text": "Um, it's a decision package under fund and debt management.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 6347.287, "end": 6354.721, "text": "Says this decision package will allow for short-term bond issuances for 2 more TIF districts and will update interest earning revenue to a more realistic expectation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 6355.155, "end": 6356.889, "text": "And that is the sum total of what it says.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 6358.125, "end": 6359.137, "text": "Uh, yeah, good morning.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 6359.394, "end": 6361.609, "text": "Uh, for the record, Jonas Piri, Chief Financial Officer.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 6361.802, "end": 6362.573, "text": "We're double checking that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 6363.182, "end": 6370.367, "text": "But I— and we can certainly provide responses in writing, including any other questions that come up from Council related to TAO decision packages.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 6370.88, "end": 6389.097, "text": "My understanding is that's not related to new TIF districts, but adjustments to the borrowing plan that requires sort of new budgetary appropriation to facilitate the debt issuance, the line of credit, or whatever the case may be so that those plans within those districts can continue in the current year.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 6389.643, "end": 6395.379, "text": "So it's not new districts, but new allocation of that $10 million.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 6395.428, "end": 6401.386, "text": "But we'll certainly get back with you in writing with a formal answer once we can talk to the debt manager and Prosper team.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 6404.402, "end": 6405.088, "text": "Okay, thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 6406.442, "end": 6407.274, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 6408.074, "end": 6409.135, "text": "Council Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 6411.47, "end": 6413.565, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elizabeth Hilt" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 6414.425, "end": 6419.584, "text": "Regarding the TIF districts, I think we maybe need a little bit more clarification.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 6419.68, "end": 6426.33, "text": "As I understand, we may reopen older TIF districts.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 6426.522, "end": 6435.495, "text": "If we could get a clarification on that, particularly regarding the PSU proposal, the performing arts project.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 6436.505, "end": 6443.459, "text": "I don't know if there's anybody in the room that can address the TIF issue, or if we just need to punt to another time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 6444.161, "end": 6445.557, "text": "If I would just put a pin in that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 6450.32, "end": 6451.451, "text": "Yeah, Councilor, thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 6451.71, "end": 6455.559, "text": "Um, yeah, I know there's some, um, ongoing dialogue about that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 6455.915, "end": 6462.271, "text": "I don't have the answers, uh, in front of me today, but we'll, uh, put this in the, in the punch list of questions in, in order to get an answer back to you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 6464.369, "end": 6478.264, "text": "All right, seeing no one else in the queue, I would, uh, I guess ask I would ask for a motion to refer, um, the technical adjustment ordinance on to the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 6480.401, "end": 6481.048, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 6481.387, "end": 6481.742, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 6482.033, "end": 6486.702, "text": "Okay, there's a motion from Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and, uh, seconded by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 6486.767, "end": 6487.106, "text": "I, I—.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 6487.187, "end": 6488.845, "text": "Sorry, with a do pass recommendation?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 6489.102, "end": 6489.857, "text": "Forgot to ask that part.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 6489.986, "end": 6491.336, "text": "With a do pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 6491.513, "end": 6494.229, "text": "Um, any further discussion on referring this item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 6495, "end": 6496.463, "text": "Seeing none, Rebecca, will you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 6497.976, "end": 6504.677, "text": "Uh, calling the roll on document number 2026-366, and that was moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Novick.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 6505.73, "end": 6506.167, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 6507.754, "end": 6508.224, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 6509.131, "end": 6509.261, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 6510.427, "end": 6510.736, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 6511.403, "end": 6511.582, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 6512.395, "end": 6512.85, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 6513.029, "end": 6513.045, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 6513.224, "end": 6516.46, "text": "Sorry, that was— thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 6518.47, "end": 6522.059, "text": "Oh, uh, Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 6522.483, "end": 6522.515, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 6524.546, "end": 6524.707, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 6527.441, "end": 6527.489, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 6531.14, "end": 6531.188, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jeremy Patton" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 6534.055, "end": 6534.394, "text": "Novick.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 6534.764, "end": 6534.813, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 6537.423, "end": 6539.938, "text": "And the motion to refer is approved with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 6541.11, "end": 6541.726, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 6541.775, "end": 6547.347, "text": "I would also ask for a motion to refer on Resolution, uh, 2026-367.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 6547.396, "end": 6551.138, "text": "That's the budget calendar to the So moved with a do pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 6552.299, "end": 6552.912, "text": "Moved by Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 6552.96, "end": 6553.573, "text": "Is there a second?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 6554.105, "end": 6554.411, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 6555.12, "end": 6556.233, "text": "Seconded by Avalos.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 6556.571, "end": 6558.344, "text": "Uh, is there any further discussion on this item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 6560.3, "end": 6561.374, "text": "Rebecca, will you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 6565.251, "end": 6573.656, "text": "Calling the roll on 2026-367, moved by Dunphy, seconded by Avalos.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 6575.8, "end": 6575.817, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 6576.493, "end": 6576.75, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 6577.974, "end": 6578.022, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 6578.714, "end": 6579.068, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 6579.358, "end": 6579.503, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 6581.37, "end": 6581.74, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 6582.078, "end": 6582.159, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 6583.27, "end": 6583.465, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 6583.774, "end": 6583.855, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 6584.702, "end": 6585.06, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 6586.964, "end": 6587.191, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 6589.21, "end": 6589.531, "text": "Councilor Guinea?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 6591.332, "end": 6591.412, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 6593.567, "end": 6593.856, "text": "Ryan?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 6594.226, "end": 6597.51, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate the adjustments we talked about to the calendar, so aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 6598.678, "end": 6599.246, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 6599.616, "end": 6599.777, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 6600.981, "end": 6601.383, "text": "Morillo?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 6601.864, "end": 6601.913, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 6602.603, "end": 6603.085, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 6603.309, "end": 6603.358, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 6604.353, "end": 6604.787, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 6605.477, "end": 6605.573, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 6606.44, "end": 6610.39, "text": "And the motion to refer with a do pass recommendation is approved with 9 aye, 3 nay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 6610.856, "end": 6612.446, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 6613.505, "end": 6622.979, "text": "And then last but not least, Ordinance 2026-368, adding the new code chapter 5.90, would look for a motion to refer that on to the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 6625.429, "end": 6627.472, "text": "So moved with a do pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 6627.745, "end": 6628.228, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 6628.566, "end": 6632.378, "text": "All right, moved by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Council President Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 6633.054, "end": 6635.193, "text": "Is there any further discussion on this item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 6638.23, "end": 6645.701, "text": "This is the, the creation of the— referring the ordinance that creates the business license tax stabilization reserve fund.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 6646.038, "end": 6646.488, "text": "I got—.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 6646.617, "end": 6647.928, "text": "Yeah, words were all in the right order there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 6648.084, "end": 6648.413, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 6651.96, "end": 6652.795, "text": "Yes, that is a—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 6653.02, "end": 6653.26, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 6653.646, "end": 6657.916, "text": "All right, seeing no one else in the queue, Rebecca, will you please call the roll on this one?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 6658.575, "end": 6666.313, "text": "Motion to refer document number 2026-368 to full council with a do pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 6667.293, "end": 6669.845, "text": "Moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Dunphy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 6670.584, "end": 6670.905, "text": "Clerk?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 6672.029, "end": 6672.205, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 6673.088, "end": 6673.361, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 6674.196, "end": 6674.244, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 6675.192, "end": 6675.529, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 6676.444, "end": 6676.46, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 6677.919, "end": 6678.227, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 6678.599, "end": 6678.616, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 6678.891, "end": 6679.28, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 6679.701, "end": 6679.863, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 6680.22, "end": 6680.657, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 6681.078, "end": 6681.127, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 6682.051, "end": 6682.116, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 6682.78, "end": 6682.942, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 6683.671, "end": 6683.72, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 6685.065, "end": 6685.243, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 6686.588, "end": 6686.636, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 6689.749, "end": 6689.797, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 6692.261, "end": 6694.693, "text": "And the motion to refer is approved with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 6695.41, "end": 6700.45, "text": "All right, colleagues, that completes the, uh, Committee of the Whole consideration of the fall technical adjustment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 6701.062, "end": 6704.605, "text": "Um, we're gonna— we have a couple things left on the agenda, but first we're going to take a break.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 6704.69, "end": 6710.36, "text": "So if we could all please come back by 11:30 so we can actually start a couple minutes after that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 6710.66, "end": 6711.55, "text": "Um, we'll take a recess.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 6711.55, "end": 6712.59, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 6712.59, "end": 6730.21, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 7613.206, "end": 7614.247, "text": "All right, thanks, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 7614.756, "end": 7617.592, "text": "We're going to slowly come back to order.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 7621.26, "end": 7625.261, "text": "All right, uh, with that, I guess if, uh, Rebecca, if you could please read item 5.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 7627.085, "end": 7636.627, "text": "Amend business license law code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO pay ratio surtax and gross receipts exemption amount.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 7637.115, "end": 7645.888, "text": "Amend Code Section 7.02.400 and 7.02.500 Document number 2026-348.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 7647.485, "end": 7647.904, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 7648.066, "end": 7652.147, "text": "So colleagues, where we last left off on this, we'd heard the presentation in brief.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 7652.47, "end": 7659.802, "text": "Um, I think some of the members, uh, the sponsors had decided to retain their sponsor comments until later to allow for testimony to be heard.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 7659.899, "end": 7665.013, "text": "And then we heard all the testimony, um, that are all the, the oral testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 7665.431, "end": 7667.424, "text": "Um, the written record remained open.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 7667.52, "end": 7669.062, "text": "It's still open now, I think.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 7669.287, "end": 7671.75, "text": "And, um, we are picking up Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 7671.75, "end": 7671.75, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Mitch Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 7671.75, "end": 7674.01, "text": "We are going to pick up basically where we left off right at the end of testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 7675.49, "end": 7681.22, "text": "As I mentioned, there is one other item on the agenda after this, so we may not end up getting to a vote on this item today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 7681.75, "end": 7692.41, "text": "It may continue this on to another agenda, but I just wanted to flag that before we get started and allow colleagues to either remove themselves from the queue if those are legacy hands or get into the queue if they are not.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 7693.53, "end": 7696.28, "text": "All right, Councilor Green followed by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 7697.177, "end": 7698.429, "text": "Thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 7698.783, "end": 7701.882, "text": "Um, thank you, colleagues, uh, for the discussion here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 7702.395, "end": 7704.836, "text": "I just want to bring us back to where we were last week.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 7704.9, "end": 7705.912, "text": "We heard the testimony.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 7706.811, "end": 7719.062, "text": "Um, over the course of that time, we've received, uh, oh geez, what is the number now, 251 pieces of written testimony, and 81% of that testimony is in support of this ordinance.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 7719.576, "end": 7722.209, "text": "Um, that tracks pretty closely with, uh, polling.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 7722.547, "end": 7731.048, "text": "On this type of tax proposal, where 89— 87% of Democrats support, you know, tax on large corporations who pay their CEO too much.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 7731.81, "end": 7734.917, "text": "Even over 77% of Republicans also support that as well.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 7734.982, "end": 7757.582, "text": "So this is a sort of broadly popular proposal because there is a shared recognition that over the last several decades, we have watched the largest corporations in America take more and more and more of the net income of society and pay workers less and less and less and leave cities out in the lurch.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 7757.646, "end": 7763.073, "text": "And so I just want to say just broadly, everyone deserves economic security.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 7764.069, "end": 7770.17, "text": "And yet we've heard from thousands of Portlanders over the last 2 years and hundreds just over the last week that people are struggling to afford daily life.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 7770.251, "end": 7787.875, "text": "And so in the context of the fact that we're in our own financial crisis and in the context of recognizing that we need to think not just for the next budget but 2 or 3 budgets down the road, we have to make a change in our revenue structure, and this is an opportunity to move in that direction.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 7787.923, "end": 7793.476, "text": "So I'm happy to take any sort of technical questions anyone have, and I'll just, I'll just leave you with this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 7794.231, "end": 7798.885, "text": "I think it's important to put into context the scale of the Trump tax cuts.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 7799.622, "end": 7803.837, "text": "The Trump tax cuts starting in 2017, and then what most recently with the big beautiful bill.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 7804.494, "end": 7809.285, "text": "Together, that's $1.4 trillion in tax cuts over a 10-year period.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 7810.118, "end": 7832.28, "text": "And so if every city with a population greater than 500,000 in the United States, that's 39 cities, if every single one of those cities did something like this, raise similar amount of revenue, it would only result in a 2.4% Okay, that'd be like a normal-sized guy standing next to the Portland Building in terms of scale.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 7833.429, "end": 7836.214, "text": "So, um, I'll stop yammering on about it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 7836.262, "end": 7837.823, "text": "We'll get into a nice little discussion on it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 7837.952, "end": 7844.429, "text": "And, uh, and by the way, again, if anyone wants to co-sponsor this, um, you're more than welcome to at this time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 7844.494, "end": 7846.142, "text": "We'd be happy to work with you guys on this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 7846.416, "end": 7846.675, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 7848.694, "end": 7849.793, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 7850.068, "end": 7851.425, "text": "Next in the queue is Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 7852.414, "end": 7853.233, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Chairman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 7853.361, "end": 7859.315, "text": "I apologize in advance for having a bunch of stuff to say, but I think I have a fair amount of directly relevant personal experience.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 7860.102, "end": 7871.48, "text": "I obviously like the idea of taxing corporations that have vastly overpaid CEOs, but when I introduced this concept in 2016, it was not really to raise a lot of money.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 7871.769, "end": 7873.968, "text": "It was to make a point and inspire imitators.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 7874.24, "end": 7880.527, "text": "What I was hoping is we'd see a bunch of other local and state and ultimately the federal government adopt this idea, and that would actually affect corporate behavior.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 7881.22, "end": 7882.461, "text": "Unfortunately, that hasn't happened.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 7882.525, "end": 7886.039, "text": "Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders have introduced some legislation, but it hasn't passed.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 7886.899, "end": 7889.953, "text": "The only jurisdiction that's actually adopted a similar thing is San Francisco.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 7892.13, "end": 7898.782, "text": "This— and because we weren't raising a lot of money, it would— the stakes were kind of low for the business folks.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 7899.105, "end": 7907.91, "text": "The chamber opposed the measure, but there was no real danger they were going to, like, try to refer it to the ballot because it just didn't cost them that much money, although it's nice to have a few million a year.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 7908.921, "end": 7909.884, "text": "This is different.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 7910.285, "end": 7919.354, "text": "I asked Peter Holzman last week if there are any companies that would wind up paying more than $1 million a year in extra taxes because of this, and he said, yeah, there's more than a dozen.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 7919.595, "end": 7921.377, "text": "Don't know which they are, but we know they exist.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 7922.099, "end": 7928.15, "text": "So there's companies that it might be worth their while to gather the signatures to refer to a ballot if they thought they could win.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 7928.969, "end": 7937.107, "text": "And there's a reason they might think they could win, which is that San Francisco tried to turbocharge its CEO pay ratio tax surcharge earlier this year.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 7938.038, "end": 7948.333, "text": "And it lost at the ballot despite the fact that there was a significant campaign which, based on donors, seems to have been led by various arms of SEIU that raised $3 million to try to pass it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 7949.04, "end": 7954.019, "text": "So the corporate folks might be encouraged by that and try to refer to the ballot.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 7954.131, "end": 7958.741, "text": "So I think that if we vote on this, we shouldn't be thinking just about a vote but about a potential campaign.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 7959.801, "end": 7963.543, "text": "I have some experience in big tax-related campaigns.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 7964.217, "end": 7973.428, "text": "In the year 2000, there was a measure on the ballot that would have given a huge tax break to rich people by making all federal taxes deductible on state income tax forms.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 7974.086, "end": 7977.777, "text": "And I did early media and organizing and research on that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 7978.66, "end": 7990.695, "text": "And one of the things we were able to do— I was paid for by labor— but one of the reasons we were able to beat that is that we were able to get big— the big corporations to agree that this would have such a devastating effect on the state budget that they should oppose it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 7991.417, "end": 7993.837, "text": "And we wound up beating that measure.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 7993.917, "end": 7997.396, "text": "10 years later, I was part of a campaign.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 7997.444, "end": 8008.232, "text": "I was a researcher and again, one of the spokespeople for the campaign for Measures 66 and 67, which raised taxes on rich people and had a small tax on corporations in 2010.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 8009.45, "end": 8017.449, "text": "And that was a straight-up fight between OEA, SEIU, and AFSCME, and then a few random, you know, nice rich people and the corporations.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 8018.002, "end": 8019.344, "text": "And our side won.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 8020.266, "end": 8022.368, "text": "We outspent the other side, I think about 3 to 2.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 8023.096, "end": 8030.721, "text": "We also— the legislature sent in the ballot, they wrote the ballot title, and the ballot title explained exactly what cuts would happen to the state budget if it didn't pass.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 8031.27, "end": 8033.029, "text": "So those were 2 things in our favor.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 8035.19, "end": 8042.779, "text": "6 years later, and I wasn't part of this campaign but observed it closely, there was a measure on the ballot, Measure 97, to have a big gross receipts tax on big corporations.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 8042.876, "end": 8049.097, "text": "And I think that started off polling well, and we got outspent like 2 or 3 to 1, I think, and that lost.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 8049.642, "end": 8059.629, "text": "But a couple of years later, um, business and the legislature agreed to a smaller, uh, gross receipts tax because they finally agreed that the schools needed more money.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 8060.8, "end": 8063.877, "text": "So I draw 2 lessons from those experiences.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 8065.112, "end": 8070.225, "text": "One is that sometimes you can get the corporations on your side in a revenue issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 8070.92, "end": 8071.033, "text": "Issue.", "speaker": "Noah Kone" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 8071.212, "end": 8077.469, "text": "I do not think it's impossible that we might be able to have a revenue package that, like, the Portland Chamber of Commerce can live with.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 8078.987, "end": 8097.785, "text": "There's some fairly serious people having behind-the-scenes conversations right now about revenue options, and I'm not at liberty to say what they are, but at some point I think that those conversations will surface, and at some point the people having those conversations will probably talk to the folks at the Chamber, And we know what the Chamber wants.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 8097.833, "end": 8098.942, "text": "They want more money for police.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 8099.762, "end": 8106.253, "text": "And I think that after they lick their wounds over the demise of the PSF ballot measure, they might be ready to deal.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 8106.832, "end": 8108.085, "text": "And so I wouldn't rule that out.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 8108.857, "end": 8115.702, "text": "The second lesson I draw is that if you're going to go to war with big corporations, you want powerful allies on your side.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 8116.329, "end": 8118.466, "text": "And by powerful allies, I mean the big unions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 8119.301, "end": 8121.599, "text": "I mean the big green machine and the purple people eaters.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 8122.672, "end": 8127.147, "text": "So before voting for something like this, I want to know the answer to 2 questions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 8127.727, "end": 8132.829, "text": "One, have we done everything that we can to see if we can achieve our objectives without going to war?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 8133.681, "end": 8138.871, "text": "And 2, if we've done that and we still think we need to go to war, do we have the powerful allies with us?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 8139.482, "end": 8142.252, "text": "And at this point, I think the answer to both of those questions is no.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 8145.367, "end": 8146.5, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 8146.581, "end": 8148.979, "text": "Uh, we'll go to Council President Dunphy, followed by Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 8150.611, "end": 8151.173, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 8151.414, "end": 8158.255, "text": "Um, you know, colleagues, as Councilor Green had pointed out, you know, we are dealing with a massive federal math problem.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 8159.041, "end": 8165.224, "text": "Uh, the mega corporations are walking away with trillions of dollars in tax windfalls while our local communities are left holding the bag.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 8166.283, "end": 8170.426, "text": "It's bad enough that we don't have a federal partner to actually help us with the challenges of our times.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 8170.86, "end": 8173.156, "text": "We have a federal government that's actively making our jobs harder.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 8174.216, "end": 8185.231, "text": "And at the same time, in my 2 years as a city councilor, I've only I've only met one local small business in East Portland that has described themselves as thriving, and it's a 2-woman trash hauling team who has a contract with RID.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 8187.099, "end": 8188.773, "text": "I really believe that we need to do something.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 8189.273, "end": 8200.539, "text": "I think that this is— the fair share tax ordinance is our opportunity to actually influence that equation in Portland in some meaningful way by delivering tax cuts to the smallest of small businesses.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 8201.298, "end": 8203.991, "text": "They're truly the only people who are actually investing in our community.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 8204.04, "end": 8204.169, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 8204.286, "end": 8204.558, "text": "Right now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 8204.638, "end": 8211.804, "text": "There are very few cranes in the sky, but every day we hear that there are new people showing up to permitting and development to try and open a small business.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 8212.381, "end": 8220.669, "text": "And 90% of the employers in our community are employing 10 or fewer people, and they earn less than half a million dollars a year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 8221.855, "end": 8238.657, "text": "We balance our ledger not by hurting the local economic engines that are actually keeping our neighborhoods alive, but by asking the roughly 400 multimillion-dollar publicly traded corporations to contribute a modest fraction of their localized net profits back into the city that generated their wealth.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 8239.812, "end": 8252.575, "text": "It's a common-sense, overwhelmingly popular rebalancing that keeps wealth on our main streets, protects our small business owners from shifting city costs, and is going to help us fund the critical parks and public safety services that Portlanders rely on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 8253.745, "end": 8258.78, "text": "60-Plus community— you know, Councilor Novick, as you're saying, you're right, we do need a large coalition coalition.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 8259.196, "end": 8265.606, "text": "And, uh, we need to have overwhelming, uh, support from the outside that shows that we are— that this is the right direction to go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 8265.766, "end": 8274.627, "text": "And I have been really impressed by the 60-plus different community and business organizations and the 50-plus small business owners that have actively endorsed the fair share.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 8274.995, "end": 8282.542, "text": "But you're right, we need a much larger coalition to really meaningfully demonstrate that this is not a one-off, but this is a new path forward.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 8282.67, "end": 8286.964, "text": "I, I really encourage my colleagues to find a path to support this, even if it's not today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 8287.99, "end": 8306.458, "text": "If this needs more work or to find a way to actually deliver that relief to the actual people who are making Portland special, I really encourage it because every day I'm hearing those same sad stories about the pinch happening at the bottom and watching millions of dollars getting pulled out of our community with nothing to show for it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 8306.507, "end": 8312.069, "text": "So I'm a big fan of where we're trying to go, and colleagues, I hope we can find a path forward.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 8312.82, "end": 8313.014, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 8313.062, "end": 8315.465, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Dunphy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 8315.674, "end": 8319.496, "text": "Go to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, followed by Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 8321.79, "end": 8323.639, "text": "Thank you, Chair, colleagues.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 8323.897, "end": 8328.754, "text": "I've got a little bit to say here and then some questions that I'll ask.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 8330.25, "end": 8332.509, "text": "You know, we are in a funding crisis.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 8332.945, "end": 8336.011, "text": "We are in a funding crisis across all levels of government.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 8336.092, "end": 8343.184, "text": "At the local, state, and federal level, we are seeing massive massive cuts to critical programs, and it is not by accident.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 8344.051, "end": 8364.989, "text": "Federal policies recently have exacerbated budget holes, yes, but longstanding policies—tax cuts for top income earners, tax credits for empty building units, the ease with which the very wealthy can use offshore accounts, among others—have devastated our ability to provide services people need and have frankly led to wealth inequalities that make those services necessary.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 8365.07, "end": 8367.034, "text": "Necessary in the first place when they shouldn't be.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 8368.241, "end": 8376.717, "text": "And meanwhile, the working class, the middle class, even the upper middle class are being pit against each other as we all try to figure out how to pay to make up for those choices.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 8378.082, "end": 8383.02, "text": "So yes, at some point redistributive policies are going to be necessary to right the economic ship.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 8383.712, "end": 8385.16, "text": "There's no way to do so without them.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 8386.649, "end": 8399.475, "text": "But we need to make sure those policies are right, that they'll work as intended, that we're not peddling false promises to Portlanders who rely on our city programs or to small businesses who are being promised a significant tax cut here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 8400.99, "end": 8409.826, "text": "I have some questions today about how this proposal was crafted and what pre-work has been done, as well as what work still needs to be done, because I'm concerned about those details.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 8410.164, "end": 8411.508, "text": "I'm concerned about getting it right.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 8412.452, "end": 8413.721, "text": "And I'm going to name the obvious.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 8414.648, "end": 8428.631, "text": "A resolution sponsored by 6 councilors I'm saying that not as a criticism, but because I want the public to understand why it may sound like I'm scrutinizing the policy on the dais.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 8429.305, "end": 8442.069, "text": "This is my first opportunity to ask questions, to find out about that pre-work, to find out what different options were considered, if any, before settling on this one, and whether the work was done to make sure that this sticks if we pass it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 8442.134, "end": 8448.698, "text": "Councilor Smith, I made a promise to constituents that I would craft lasting progressive policy and do it responsibly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 8449.774, "end": 8453, "text": "And so when I consider a revenue measure, I want to make sure it's lasting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 8454.187, "end": 8485.259, "text": "As someone who worked on the corporate activities tax to fund education, who helped to pass Measures 66 and 67 to fund core services at the state level, and who has been part of multiple other conversations about state and local revenue, I have some experience with what it takes to get measures like this across the finish line, and it takes carefully considered policy that can win votes not only at the dais but withstand lawsuits, referendums, votes of the public when significant campaigns are launched against them, even once it passes here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 8486.948, "end": 8501.932, "text": "So while I'm committed to a tax system rooted in progressive structure where no one is left carrying more than they can afford, I know these systems often take months of public process to get right, and this measure before us is, um, is new.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 8503.365, "end": 8507.197, "text": "It is new, and we are being asked to take a vote without those months of public process.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 8509.19, "end": 8514.615, "text": "Getting it right doesn't mean something sounds nice on paper, looks the best, is introduced at the right time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 8514.696, "end": 8518.632, "text": "It means it's undergone the scrutiny that's needed to minimize negative impacts on Portlanders.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 8519.661, "end": 8522.852, "text": "So I have a handful of questions about what work was done to get here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 8524.214, "end": 8541.457, "text": "The first is, in this proposal, taxes go up not only on corporations who are already paying the, um, the CEO tax, but we include new corporations, those who pay in the 50:1 to 100:1 ratio range.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 8542.467, "end": 8551.206, "text": "Do we have a sense of who those businesses are, and is there anything that, um, I don't see our Is there anything that our revenue folks— and okay, perfect, in the corner.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 8551.607, "end": 8565.233, "text": "Is there anything that our revenue division folks can help me understand without divulging information you can't share about who that group of businesses are, how many of them there are, what they do in our economy?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 8565.827, "end": 8569.454, "text": "We know that the micro businesses, the very small businesses, receive a cut here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 8569.503, "end": 8572.825, "text": "We know that the mega corporations pay more.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 8572.905, "end": 8573.547, "text": "I can't speak to that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 8574.413, "end": 8575.84, "text": "But who is this other group?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 8576.513, "end": 8584.449, "text": "And just before you guys answer, I just want to note that it's still, it's still just firms with $100, at least $100 million in revenue that are publicly traded.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 8584.673, "end": 8591.053, "text": "So it's not a privately held firm, um, under $100 million.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 8591.647, "end": 8599.197, "text": "So do we know how many new businesses are brought into this tax that weren't a part of it before, as we think about who the opposition might be?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 8599.31, "end": 8601.703, "text": "Yeah, thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 8601.751, "end": 8603.71, "text": "For the record, Jonas Beery, Chief Financial Officer.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 8603.759, "end": 8606.939, "text": "We also have, I believe, Revenue Division staff available online.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 8607.854, "end": 8620.399, "text": "To your question, Councilor, on kind of the new folks at that new tier, we don't yet have that data because they're folks that we have not previously collected on and we haven't done sort of a prospective look.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 8620.945, "end": 8627.546, "text": "We would still need to go back and collect that data on what those numbers would be at that new threshold.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 8627.61, "end": 8627.835, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Courtney Hamilton" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 8628.579, "end": 8641.617, "text": "So in terms of thinking about where is the support, where is the opposition, what does the fight look like on this, we don't have a sense of how many new corporations are being brought under the tax.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 8644.053, "end": 8646.271, "text": "We can get you a more firm answer.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 8646.562, "end": 8654.198, "text": "I believe, again, since this— our revenue division folks basically had a sample to see like SEC data, that sort of thing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 8654.702, "end": 8656.163, "text": "And sample which firms would.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 8656.549, "end": 8658.765, "text": "So we have rough numbers in terms of like total.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 8659.343, "end": 8665.059, "text": "When it gets into what industries and more specifics, it gets a lot fuzzier.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 8665.219, "end": 8668.142, "text": "And so I don't think we can probably give you like specifics there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 8669.314, "end": 8677.149, "text": "But in terms of like an estimate of, you know, a rough estimate of the total number of new firms that would be added, we could probably put something together.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 8677.503, "end": 8682.08, "text": "Okay, but we don't know today You can find out and let me know.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 8682.964, "end": 8683.285, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 8684.314, "end": 8721.922, "text": "Um, to my colleagues, have you had conversations with the legal team about how the impact of this ordinance getting added to the lawsuit that has already been filed against the city about our ability to change taxes from the dais would affect our ability to fight that lawsuit, and whether Adding this, the business community adding this to their lawsuit against us would risk expanding a potential ruling there in a way that could dramatically jeopardize our ability to raise revenue in the future.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 8722.78, "end": 8724.819, "text": "Have we had those conversations with the legal team?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 8727.232, "end": 8730.694, "text": "We had Ken McGare work on this legislation throughout.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 8730.919, "end": 8733.447, "text": "I think we had started this process as early as February.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 8735.184, "end": 8737.958, "text": "The lawsuit on the arts tax is relatively new.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 8738.134, "end": 8745.733, "text": "I think we did receive a legal memo from Robert Taylor, and we could ask— we could call him up here to ask some questions that would be appropriate in this setting.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 8746.486, "end": 8755.528, "text": "But the thing that's different between the arts tax and the business license tax is the arts tax was something that we referred to voters to ask them to say yes or no to it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 8756.025, "end": 8759.007, "text": "The business license tax has been on the books since 1854, and it's well established.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 8759.103, "end": 8759.279, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 8760.615, "end": 8762.823, "text": "So we would need to tease that out with the attorneys.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 8762.92, "end": 8777.16, "text": "I'm not an attorney, but the initial work on this didn't contemplate that interaction between the arts tax lawsuit, which I would argue is frivolous, and then what would come later, which would probably also be frivolous.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 8778.694, "end": 8798.939, "text": "I also think the arts tax lawsuit is going to be frivolous, but I do think we need to understand whether these 2 things being brought to the court system together could expand our risk and whether it also could expand what a ruling could look like and what effect that would have on our ability to raise revenue in the future.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 8799.934, "end": 8801.524, "text": "May I add something, Chair?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 8802.407, "end": 8803.081, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 8804.093, "end": 8809.712, "text": "I would also say that this is a little bit different than the— sorry, I'm very tired today.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 8810.916, "end": 8817.815, "text": "Than the arts tax, because the charter has broad explicit authority for us to work with the business license tax.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 8817.943, "end": 8819.756, "text": "So I'll read a direct quote.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 8820.237, "end": 8835.286, "text": "The city has power and authority to grant licenses with the object of raising revenue or of regulation or both for any and all lawful acts, things, or purposes, and to fix by ordinance the amount to be paid therefore, and to provide for the revoking of the same.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 8836.49, "end": 8838.711, "text": "And I want to be clear, I really do welcome these questions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 8838.76, "end": 8840.241, "text": "I think it's great that we're having this discussion.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 8840.37, "end": 8841.481, "text": "We are still at committee.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 8841.577, "end": 8845.731, "text": "It feels like we're at council, but we are having the public process right now.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 8845.956, "end": 8847.16, "text": "So I'm fine with all of this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 8849.37, "end": 8850.127, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 8850.272, "end": 8857.504, "text": "And like I said, I think that either or both lawsuits would be frivolous, but I also think we need to understand the combined risk.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 8859.312, "end": 8866.419, "text": "Has there been any local polling to help us understand where Portlanders are on the specifics here?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 8866.772, "end": 8878.189, "text": "And has that polling included using negative messages to understand how a campaign would withstand, or how this measure would withstand a well-funded campaign against it?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 8879.393, "end": 8881.962, "text": "We have not commissioned any polling on this specifically, no.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 8883.086, "end": 8891.347, "text": "But I'll note that the public testimony written is Is in line and indicative of national polling on the question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8892.133, "end": 8894.873, "text": "Yeah, I think there's broad support conceptually.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8894.953, "end": 8900.321, "text": "I want to make sure we understand how that support changes in a campaign environment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8901.764, "end": 8905.225, "text": "I've worked, like I said, on a few revenue-raising measures in the past.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8905.289, "end": 8909.023, "text": "I know my colleague Councilor Novick talked about some that he's worked on.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8910.497, "end": 8916.351, "text": "In my experience, you have to assume that folks who don't want to pay a measure will fight it, and there has to be a plan for that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8917.153, "end": 8930.908, "text": "Was this developed in conjunction with any individuals or organizations who can help us educate Portlanders on the specifics of the proposal, um, and, and push back if there were an effort to overturn it at the ballot?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8930.956, "end": 8947.089, "text": "And I'm thinking, for example, with the parks levy that we referred— slightly different, we referred that intentionally— we had worked with groups connected to local parks to ensure that they were ready to be an instrumental partner in helping us educate Portlanders about the specifics of the measure?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8947.858, "end": 8956.03, "text": "Have we talked to partners who could be part of a defensive campaign to help us educate Portlanders about the importance of the measure before us?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8956.27, "end": 8958.017, "text": "Who are our allies here, essentially?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8958.353, "end": 8959.283, "text": "I can list some of them.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 8960.276, "end": 8960.917, "text": "Oh, did you want to go—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 8961.125, "end": 8961.766, "text": "Did you want to list them?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 8963.24, "end": 8973.251, "text": "Yeah, I think that they are publicly listed, but we had over 460 small businesses, Latino Network, Apano, um, Protect 17, CPPW, Next Up, NEA.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 8974.206, "end": 8979.124, "text": "Uh, there's a pretty extensive list of supporters, um, for this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 8981.098, "end": 8988.097, "text": "And have you had conversations with them about their willingness and ability to put resources toward that education campaign that would be needed?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 8992.456, "end": 8995.949, "text": "You're assuming that this just gets immediately referred to referendum?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 8995.997, "end": 9004.746, "text": "Well, I'm hoping that there, you know, that this is crafted in a way where it wouldn't be appealed by lawsuit or referred.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 9005.291, "end": 9011.171, "text": "But I think in my experience, when you look at revenue measures, you always have to be prepared for that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 9011.925, "end": 9033.895, "text": "And so what I'm wondering is what type of preparation has occurred, hoping that it never needs to be used, but knowing that it needs I mean, I did not specifically ask these groups if they're ready to knock doors for me when it gets sent to the ballot in a referendum.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 9035.036, "end": 9046.817, "text": "I'll note though that I think the approach that we were taking is to say that if you sort of ask permission from the people you're trying to tax to craft a policy that they won't oppose, you end up basically with a sales tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 9046.866, "end": 9050.464, "text": "I think the question is, is the support And that's what you see when you look at the Prosperity Council's work.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 9050.513, "end": 9053.02, "text": "That's what you see when you see the Tax Advisory Group's work.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 9053.358, "end": 9059.036, "text": "That's what you see when you— that's what you hear when you talk to folks who don't like income taxes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 9059.616, "end": 9063.11, "text": "They say, let's move to a broad-based tax, which is a gross receipts tax or a sales tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 9063.174, "end": 9068.264, "text": "And so there's a reason why those coalitions want that instead of a profits tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 9068.913, "end": 9070.179, "text": "And may I add something?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 9070.699, "end": 9074.522, "text": "I think that with, you know, we have pretty extensive and broad support.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 9074.586, "end": 9078.167, "text": "This was just announced 2 weeks ago, and we're going to continue to do outreach.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 9078.279, "end": 9081.491, "text": "So we understand there's limited time at this committee today.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 9081.732, "end": 9083.209, "text": "Okay, this is the first discussion.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 9083.578, "end": 9084.75, "text": "We're open to questions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 9084.863, "end": 9085.393, "text": "That's fine.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 9086.211, "end": 9092.586, "text": "So I think that we can continue working with our partners to make sure that they are prepared in that eventuality.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 9093.614, "end": 9104.313, "text": "I will also say that the Financial Stabilization and Recovery Workgroup at the City of Portland was they proposed something pretty similar to this when they worked for months.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 9104.394, "end": 9105.235, "text": "How long did you guys work together?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 9105.299, "end": 9106.35, "text": "6 months, longer than that?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 9107.52, "end": 9109.663, "text": "And that was a variety of perspectives.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 9109.711, "end": 9117.268, "text": "It was folks who are progressive to more business-minded, all that, and they had a similar proposal.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 9117.317, "end": 9124.415, "text": "So I think there is broad support for something like this, especially in a time where it is really difficult with our budget.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 9126.122, "end": 9128.938, "text": "So, yeah, I think that's something we can keep pushing on.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 9129.052, "end": 9137.886, "text": "But I will say, I do want to emphasize again, this policy has been under development since February, so it's been pretty long.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 9138.625, "end": 9150.643, "text": "And I cannot emphasize enough how this is barely scratching the surface of what the tax relief that these mega corporations have already received under the Trump administration.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 9150.692, "end": 9150.805, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 9151.244, "end": 9151.904, "text": "Is extensive.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 9152, "end": 9153.771, "text": "So they're not exactly going to war.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 9153.98, "end": 9159.099, "text": "They're actually having a very relaxing time in Cabo while the rest of us are suffering.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 9160.53, "end": 9161.14, "text": "So you know what I mean?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 9161.204, "end": 9163.181, "text": "Like, this isn't— they're gonna be fine.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 9163.614, "end": 9169.704, "text": "I understand they will oppose it and we need to prepare for that potentially, but this is not hurting them in any way.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 9170.25, "end": 9178.982, "text": "Yeah, Councilor, I have not asked about whether it hurts them or about whether you You've worked to neutralize opponents.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 9180.543, "end": 9196.387, "text": "Um, I've asked just about who the supporters are and what the work has been to make sure that what was crafted could withstand a challenge, assuming that one would come, whether or not folks had the ability to pay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 9198.481, "end": 9202.97, "text": "I am wondering, you know, there's a group that announced Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 9203.034, "end": 9212.517, "text": "Councilor Herbold, I think the same week that this measure became public, and I hear you that you've been working on it since February, but we haven't had public conversations for most of that time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 9213.592, "end": 9226.429, "text": "The same week that this became public, there was a group that announced that they were working on a revenue measure to put on the ballot in 2028 around a statewide revenue idea.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 9227.135, "end": 9240.918, "text": "Have you had conversations with anybody in that group about whether, if this were appealed to the same ballot, the 2 measures would help or hurt each other and, and what that could look like for both the city and the state.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 9244.32, "end": 9260.734, "text": "Um, I've had conversations with some of those, some of the groups involved with that about this policy proposal, and at no time did that group tell me that they were bringing forward a wealth tax, that they were going to They were working on some other thing that I don't think I'm at liberty to talk about.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 9263.565, "end": 9276.901, "text": "But no, I— and again, I don't think the conversation was ever around, oh, this is going to immediately get referred to a referendum here in Portland, and so how do we coordinate 2 different things?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 9276.949, "end": 9282.566, "text": "Because it was never disclosed to me that a wealth tax was even being floated and considered for 2020.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 9282.65, "end": 9289.321, "text": "I'll also note but that's also the same year that I think the SHS tax is going to come up and potentially a housing bond is going to come up.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 9289.465, "end": 9294.209, "text": "So I would ask them if they've also talked to Metro on that too.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 9294.513, "end": 9301.788, "text": "Certainly, and I think probably we need to make sure we're talking to Metro about anything like this also at the same time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 9303.022, "end": 9308.471, "text": "We've talked at the dais about the need for a comprehensive approach to our city's deferred maintenance problem.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 9308.535, "end": 9311.944, "text": "This is This is actually related, I think, to that SHS point that you just brought up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 9313.18, "end": 9328.304, "text": "Has there been conversation about how this measure would interact with our ability to refer a bond or another revenue-raising measure to the ballot to address our deferred maintenance across the city?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 9334.008, "end": 9335.817, "text": "I can tell you what I have contemplated in this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 9339.152, "end": 9339.33, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 9339.62, "end": 9352.342, "text": "Is if we don't adopt something like this to have a means to collect sort of windfall funds, I mean, because we had Peter Holzman, we had the CFO look at sort of let's risk adjust this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 9353.02, "end": 9357.846, "text": "You know, it's not $72 million per year every year, even if that's what the revenue department calculated for us.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 9358.654, "end": 9365.845, "text": "It's probably something much lower, but there are surely years where it's much higher than $33 million net of the exemptions that we're creating.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 9366.907, "end": 9389.884, "text": "Paired with the financial reserve stabilization policy that we just voted to advance and paired with the broader discussion in the Financial Stabilization Recovery Workgroup, the ability to collect sort of windfall revenues and use them for truly one-time resources, pay down debt, make transformational investments in our city.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 9391.614, "end": 9401.008, "text": "I think those are things that are preconditions, frankly, before we go to voters and ask them to borrow from them for long-term asset costs.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 9401.41, "end": 9414.314, "text": "If we can't sort of show them right now that we're willing to spend the political capital to claw back some of the Trump tax cuts to pay for some of these things rather than ask them to pay it first, I think we're gonna have a really hard time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 9415.229, "end": 9424.831, "text": "So that's— Our chair is telling me that I'm at time, so I am going to save the rest of my questions for when we next have a discussion on this.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 9425.008, "end": 9434.899, "text": "But colleagues, these are the types of things that I would need to have assurances about before I would be able to say to folks in my district, let's move this forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 9435.38, "end": 9446.411, "text": "I don't want to move forward a false promise either about the services we can provide or tax cuts for small businesses if I don't feel like we can follow through on that promise.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 9446.716, "end": 9448.482, "text": "So I'll save the rest of my questions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 9448.547, "end": 9452.159, "text": "Thank you, um, Chair, and thank you, Councilor, for your answers today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 9452.802, "end": 9454.102, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 9454.231, "end": 9458.1, "text": "And, and just to be clear, trying to do about 10 minutes but unlimited number of times in the queue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 9458.181, "end": 9461.199, "text": "Just, we don't have a rule on that the way that the full council does.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 9461.713, "end": 9465.543, "text": "Um, so I'll go to Councilor Smith followed by Councilor Thank you, Mr.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 9465.591, "end": 9465.929, "text": "Chairman.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 9466.009, "end": 9468.502, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green, for bringing this forward.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 9468.904, "end": 9471.59, "text": "Could CFO Berry come up and Peter?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 9477.35, "end": 9488.236, "text": "The first thing I thought about when I was— when I first learned about the fair share, um, ordinance was, wow, that's going to save 18,000 folks from not paying.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 9488.833, "end": 9498.894, "text": "And when I went deeper and learned that folks who bring in sales under $500,000, they will not have to pay anymore.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 9500.05, "end": 9505.718, "text": "And as a consultant, I was just under that $500,000.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 9505.831, "end": 9508.528, "text": "I could afford to pay the $891.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 9508.737, "end": 9517.617, "text": "In fact, I like paying that $800 or whatever the case may be because I feel like I'm putting in To investing into our city.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 9518.517, "end": 9530.435, "text": "And so to say that people who make under $500,000 a year, just under that, they— that they have no tax liability, none, I think that that is an issue.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 9530.804, "end": 9554.13, "text": "And the second thing that I thought about was, did you— when you actually did these numbers, CFO Berry, did you think about the job loss and the capital flight of these surtaxes of the major employers, that they may relocate their headquarters and operational hubs, which would reduce the amount of money that we would bring in for the general operating fund?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 9554.998, "end": 9556.974, "text": "Did you look at those kinds of things?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 9557.408, "end": 9558.886, "text": "Councilor, thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 9559.159, "end": 9560.637, "text": "Um, we did not.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 9560.701, "end": 9567.899, "text": "We were asked to run some math based upon a scenario that was presented, and we have not yet been asked to do that type of assessment, but would be happy to do so.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 9568.557, "end": 9576.085, "text": "I, I wish you really would do that, because to say that these folks are not— we have 18,000 people who are not going to have to pay taxes, and they can very well pay taxes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 9576.759, "end": 9578.284, "text": "It's, it's a small tax to pay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 9578.926, "end": 9605.968, "text": "The other piece is, I think they'll go to the, um, the LeBron James and Elon Musk model, where there are opportunities for CEOs to reduce their salaries to $100,000, like Elon Musk did, defer the compensation, or do like LeBron James did, get a loan, which are not taxed, and wait until the deferred taxes come on that, and they're, they're out of the queue.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 9606.546, "end": 9618.34, "text": "So all these folks who have endless resources, they will find ways to reduce their tax burden or their salary so they would not have to, um, be a part of this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 9618.437, "end": 9634.793, "text": "And I'm concerned that if you take these 18,000 people out of the tax, out of the tax queue before we actually find out how much money is going to come through, that then we have to go retax these folks who were paying little of nothing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 9635.05, "end": 9640.689, "text": "Um, Councilor Green said it was like maybe, what, $800 or $900 that we're actually saving these folks?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 9641.252, "end": 9645.606, "text": "And to go back and tax them, that's another thing that we would have to do.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 9645.702, "end": 9650.407, "text": "So I'm I'm concerned that we're, we're looking at this in a vacuum.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 9650.551, "end": 9653.008, "text": "Certainly I want billionaires to pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 9653.457, "end": 9663.139, "text": "Certainly I want people who are like me, who are consultants, who are making money under that $500,000 threshold, that we need to pay taxes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 9664.359, "end": 9666.72, "text": "They're not overburdened at that point.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 9667.346, "end": 9689.533, "text": "And so to think that we are going to be able to keep up this level of tax and base our general operating funds based on those 18,000 people and the new people who you're going to tax, those people at the top, they have accountants, they have lawyers, they're going to figure out how to reduce the amount of money that they bring in on an annual basis.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 9689.95, "end": 9697.545, "text": "And so those figures are the figures that we need to look at before we actually say, oh, we have an opportunity to do this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 9697.963, "end": 9711.056, "text": "Now, I thought it was pretty clever what Councilor Zimmerman did this last year when he did the tax where the people go from $75,000 to $100,000 that, you know, you don't have to pay the tax.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 9711.506, "end": 9711.891, "text": "That is—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 9712.725, "end": 9714.137, "text": "You can see that all day long.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 9714.892, "end": 9728.212, "text": "But when you're talking about you're getting ready to take people who have $500,000 in sales that they can't pay $800, that they can't pay their tax or they're struggling to pay that tax, What they need is access to capital.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 9728.935, "end": 9732.676, "text": "They need access to technical assistance.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 9733.35, "end": 9742.101, "text": "They need access to consultants and lawyers, and they need opportunities to have QuickBooks and those kinds of things to make sure that their budgets are tight.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 9742.647, "end": 9743.835, "text": "They need bookkeepers.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 9744.092, "end": 9745.152, "text": "They need accountants.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 9745.473, "end": 9746.292, "text": "That's what they need.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 9746.372, "end": 9750.483, "text": "And that $891 is not going to pay for either of those things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 9750.531, "end": 9750.659, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 9751.816, "end": 9758.128, "text": "And so for me to, to look at this on face value, oh yeah, we can do this, you know, apples to— apples to oranges.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 9758.241, "end": 9766.706, "text": "But it is, it is so many ways in which we cannot be right on this in terms of the numbers.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 9766.818, "end": 9776.247, "text": "And I know you do your due diligence, but I really want you to take a look at this because those folks, like Councilor Pirtle-Guiney said, they've been down this road before.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 9777.034, "end": 9780.211, "text": "They know how to manipulate the system.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 9780.645, "end": 9792.281, "text": "And I want those people who are making the most in our communities, which we don't have a lot of billionaires here, but those companies and those CEOs who are making the most, I do want them to pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 9792.827, "end": 9797.433, "text": "But I don't want us to look at fool's gold to thinking that this is the option.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 9797.481, "end": 9805.34, "text": "Now, if we just had a piece where we're going to tax them more without saying Oh, we're going to take 18,000 businesses out of the tax roll.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 9805.34, "end": 9806.27, "text": "That's not right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 9806.5, "end": 9809.71, "text": "It's not fair at all, period.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 9810.34, "end": 9814.71, "text": "So I want you to look at everything, not just what the thought of it is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 9814.82, "end": 9820.2, "text": "That was a reasonable tax that Councilor Zimmerman said, from $75,000 to $100,000.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 9820.41, "end": 9827.72, "text": "$500,000 In sales, that's a good salary for someone, particularly a loan consultant.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 9827.72, "end": 9829.62, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, you've been a consultant.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 9830.182, "end": 9830.872, "text": "You understand.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 9830.92, "end": 9837.557, "text": "Me and you and probably President Dunphy are probably the only ones that have paid a BOT up here.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 9838.743, "end": 9840.122, "text": "And so you know what that is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 9840.186, "end": 9842.013, "text": "It's not a whole lot of money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 9842.783, "end": 9862.917, "text": "So for me, I want you to look at all these things and don't look at the fool's gold and look like, okay, we got an opportunity to bring all this in because those folks, you better believe they are going to figure out how to get around this and figure out the loops So I need you to have an answer for the loophole and put that into this ordinance as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 9863.606, "end": 9875.564, "text": "I'm not totally convinced, like, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney said, but I do want you to look at those kinds of things before you present this to us as something that we'll, we'll probably get, and it's not a guarantee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 9876.19, "end": 9879.492, "text": "Councilor, if I can respond here, thank you for that comment.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 9879.54, "end": 9882.489, "text": "Um, I agree, I want to be explicitly clear that we have not done that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 9882.842, "end": 9883.851, "text": "Any of that analysis.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 9883.964, "end": 9885.566, "text": "We haven't been asked to do that analysis.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1541", "start": 9886.191, "end": 9891.415, "text": "I'm more than happy and support time and opportunity to do that analysis.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1542", "start": 9892.12, "end": 9898.835, "text": "Performing that kind of analysis is consistent with the recommendations from the financial stabilization conversation that we've been having.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1543", "start": 9899.492, "end": 9908.113, "text": "And so I just wanted to be clear that the proposal has not undergone that review by my office, by the Revenue Division, by the city economist.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1544", "start": 9908.161, "end": 9908.353, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1545", "start": 9908.642, "end": 9910.004, "text": "And, and we'd be happy to perform that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 9910.1, "end": 9922.824, "text": "I would really love it if you could do that because that would give us an opportunity to really look at this with a, a, a microscope and say we've looked at everything and this is a sure deal.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 9923.176, "end": 9929.682, "text": "Because I, you know, it's— I've heard some of my colleagues talk about this in the last week and they're saying we're going to tax the billionaires.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 9929.795, "end": 9930.964, "text": "This is not about the billionaires.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 9931.557, "end": 9942.075, "text": "This is about folks who have sales over $500,000 and CEOs who are making these exorbitant, you know, salaries, and they're going to figure out how to reduce it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 9942.637, "end": 9946.252, "text": "So you got to put those in the equation when you're talking about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 9946.815, "end": 9948.181, "text": "I appreciate you coming up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 9948.325, "end": 9955.893, "text": "And well, the last question is, um, and I know I always say this, you know what our book of business is, right?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1553", "start": 9956.536, "end": 9956.922, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1554", "start": 9957.564, "end": 9976.893, "text": "And I think while you're looking at this I think we need to figure out an economic outlook that fills hotel rooms, builds local commerce, recruits convention business to our city, not just a short-sighted penalty tax that scares employers away.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1555", "start": 9976.99, "end": 9993.606, "text": "And so I— my bigger issue is that we're trying to recruit business to come to Portland, that something like this— this is just one more thing that's piling on that has a that Portland is not pro-business, that they are trying to tax and spend and pay for all these social programs.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1556", "start": 9994.151, "end": 10001.9, "text": "But I just— we can't do our job on one side having spending money on marketing Portland as a place to come.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1557", "start": 10002.814, "end": 10012.889, "text": "I was just in D.C. last month speaking to 300 meeting planners, asking them to come to Portland.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1558", "start": 10014.126, "end": 10017.144, "text": "So they can fill up these, these hotel rooms with Travel Portland.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1559", "start": 10017.578, "end": 10019.922, "text": "Travel Portland does an annual event.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1560", "start": 10020.789, "end": 10021.383, "text": "I spoke there.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1561", "start": 10021.913, "end": 10024.45, "text": "Janelle Bynum spoke there talking about come to Portland.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1562", "start": 10024.498, "end": 10026.698, "text": "It is not what you have seen in the news.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1563", "start": 10027.292, "end": 10028.577, "text": "We are open for business.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 10028.962, "end": 10034.935, "text": "But then when we have these kinds of policies put out there, it just gives them the bad taste in their mouth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 10034.983, "end": 10040.502, "text": "Now there's a couple folks I'm gonna have to call about this particular tax.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 10040.647, "end": 10042.113, "text": "And I've talked to some businesses.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 10042.645, "end": 10043.918, "text": "They said they're just going to move.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 10044.837, "end": 10060.201, "text": "And so I, I, I caution my colleagues to, um, to do the pretty thing, the, the low-hanging fruit thing, because it's going to have a bigger impact on our city than you think.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1569", "start": 10060.735, "end": 10062.727, "text": "And it's, it's not as simple as you think.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1570", "start": 10062.938, "end": 10063.521, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1571", "start": 10063.732, "end": 10063.91, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1572", "start": 10064.236, "end": 10069.113, "text": "And please put those things in your, uh, analysis as you're looking at this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1573", "start": 10070.268, "end": 10070.653, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1574", "start": 10070.99, "end": 10072.209, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1575", "start": 10072.273, "end": 10075.097, "text": "And that's very good timing, um, on there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1576", "start": 10075.305, "end": 10080.984, "text": "Um, I think, uh, Councilor Murillo is next in the queue, followed by Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1577", "start": 10081.899, "end": 10083.39, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 10083.727, "end": 10098.987, "text": "Um, if one of my staffers in the office is watching, I would really appreciate it if you could print out 12 FAQs for this City Council because, um, a lot of the things that were addressed up here are, uh, misrepresentations of the policy that are addressed in the FAQ.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 10099.87, "end": 10105.406, "text": "And we work extensively to clarify our policies and make them as comprehensible as possible.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 10105.872, "end": 10109.627, "text": "Um, so, uh, if someone could do that, that would be fantastic, and bring those up here, please.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 10110.526, "end": 10112.355, "text": "Um, I, I want to say a few things.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1582", "start": 10113.013, "end": 10120.123, "text": "Uh, firstly, we are not rushing to push a ballot initiative to ask Portlanders what their opinion is on the Moda deal.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 10121.552, "end": 10129.384, "text": "So I understand that this might be challenged, but the impression I think is— I don't know.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 10130.026, "end": 10135.981, "text": "This is not a policy that is for businesses that are headquartered in the city of Portland.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 10137.281, "end": 10141.791, "text": "So the tax flight idea that they can just move and leave is not accurate.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 10141.903, "end": 10142.625, "text": "They can't do that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 10142.802, "end": 10148.508, "text": "Because it's about publicly traded corporations that sell their products in the city of Portland.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 10148.829, "end": 10167.454, "text": "So if they wanted to avoid this tax, they would either have to pay their CEOs a little bit less— they'll still be extremely wealthy, but they'll just pay a little bit less so that their median-paid employee doesn't make such a severe amount less than them— or they can take their product entirely out of the market.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 10168.191, "end": 10176.933, "text": "I would presume that a company that They're not going to take Coca-Cola out of Portland because it's too big of a market.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 10177.532, "end": 10184.982, "text": "They're not going to, you know, they're not going to lose massive amounts of profit to avoid a very marginal surcharge increase.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 10185.047, "end": 10187.301, "text": "That doesn't make a lot of sense.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 10187.397, "end": 10190.585, "text": "So I just want to start there.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 10191.132, "end": 10192.635, "text": "And there is no loophole.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 10192.847, "end": 10194.611, "text": "This is an established tax method.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 10194.954, "end": 10195.738, "text": "We have not seen tax loopholes in the past.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 10195.787, "end": 10195.918, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 10196.41, "end": 10196.765, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 10196.911, "end": 10200.046, "text": "And we've looked at all of these things since February.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 10201.71, "end": 10205.235, "text": "We've also had— this is not a personal income tax.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 10205.398, "end": 10206.688, "text": "I think there was confusion on that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 10207.242, "end": 10209.307, "text": "So small businesses, this is not increasing it for them.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 10209.355, "end": 10211.775, "text": "This is not increasing it for regular working-class people.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1603", "start": 10212.162, "end": 10221.729, "text": "The very purpose of this is that it's not going to fall on regular people, because I know a lot of us had to make tough choices up here increasing fees and other charges, and it didn't make any sense.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 10223.162, "end": 10231.436, "text": "So I also want to ask Eric Dean, I see you're up here, would you please come up to the dais?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 10234.808, "end": 10238.34, "text": "Eric Dean is Councilor Green's economist.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1606", "start": 10238.713, "end": 10240.609, "text": "He has a PhD in economics as well.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1607", "start": 10240.82, "end": 10241.646, "text": "Thank you for being here.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1608", "start": 10242.447, "end": 10244.845, "text": "And he did a lot of the analysis on this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1609", "start": 10246.19, "end": 10257.153, "text": "We also brought in, I'll remind you, Sarah Anderson, who originally worked Councilor Novick to create this policy back in 2016, um, and who has decades of experience in this policy area.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1610", "start": 10257.298, "end": 10261.846, "text": "You might remember she testified last week, uh, and we have a trained economist here now.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1611", "start": 10262.638, "end": 10273.91, "text": "So, um, Eric, if you're able to, uh, I would love to just give you a moment to share some of the things that you think were misrepresented.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 10274.994, "end": 10276.353, "text": "Yeah, uh, good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 10276.693, "end": 10280.409, "text": "Uh, Eric Eric Dean, for the record, uh, Councilor Green's policy advisor.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 10280.842, "end": 10288.07, "text": "Uh, I'll probably miss some of these, but probably the most important one here is that this is a tax on doing business in Portland.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 10288.761, "end": 10299.185, "text": "Um, so if you're thinking Columbia Sportswear might pull out, they— that they would have to pull out of selling their wares to Portland.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 10300.004, "end": 10302.815, "text": "Um, Dutch Brothers still pays this tax.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 10303.216, "end": 10308.606, "text": "Because, uh, despite having relocated recently, because they still sell Dutch—.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 10308.751, "end": 10309.008, "text": "There's—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1619", "start": 10309.008, "end": 10311.109, "text": "You can still get Dutch Brothers in Portland.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1620", "start": 10311.655, "end": 10312.762, "text": "Can you speak into the mic more?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1621", "start": 10312.826, "end": 10316.917, "text": "I'm sorry, um, I was worried I'd speak too loudly into the microphone.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1622", "start": 10317.655, "end": 10323.944, "text": "Um, so yeah, there's very little risk of this driving businesses, the larger businesses that do pay those surtax.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1623", "start": 10324.008, "end": 10330.556, "text": "And remember, these are businesses who make hundreds of millions of dollars, if not many of them hundreds of billions of dollars.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1624", "start": 10331.327, "end": 10334.106, "text": "There's very little risk of driving them out of Portland.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1625", "start": 10334.508, "end": 10337.4, "text": "Honestly, there's very little risk of them noticing this tax.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1626", "start": 10337.577, "end": 10340.5, "text": "It's so small relative to their, their actual income.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1627", "start": 10345.225, "end": 10352.093, "text": "And would, for example, would a company like Pendleton Woolen Mills pay, or any private company?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1628", "start": 10353.382, "end": 10355.584, "text": "No, Pendleton's not publicly traded, right?", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1629", "start": 10356.798, "end": 10360.806, "text": "Yeah, so they're, they're not, uh, they, they don't pay the, uh, surtax.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1630", "start": 10361.286, "end": 10367.186, "text": "The surtax is only on the publicly traded corporations that report, uh, this information to the SEC.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1631", "start": 10368.116, "end": 10371.13, "text": "And for us laypeople, can you explain what a publicly traded company is?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1632", "start": 10371.787, "end": 10378.504, "text": "Uh, if you can buy a company's stock on, on, you know, on a stock market, it's publicly traded, essentially.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1633", "start": 10378.857, "end": 10394.274, "text": "These are the, the big corporations that you know the And can you outline a bit more clearly what the tax break that we're talking about is for the 18,000 small businesses that make under $500,000 a year?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 10395.85, "end": 10398.968, "text": "What it is in terms of how it works or how much money it is?", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 10399.73, "end": 10407.065, "text": "How it works, how much it is, because I think there was an assertion that we are saying this will magically waive all taxes, which I wish we could do that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 10407.14, "end": 10410.68, "text": "For our small businesses, but alas, uh, probably not realistic.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 10410.74, "end": 10416.84, "text": "No, this is just the business license tax that, uh, the City of Portland, uh, charges these businesses.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 10416.84, "end": 10420.22, "text": "So it's currently $75,000 in sales or below.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 10420.22, "end": 10422.89, "text": "It's going to move up to $100,000 next year.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 10423.02, "end": 10424.84, "text": "This would move it up to, to $500,000.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 10425.08, "end": 10428.73, "text": "So, uh, they're still paying plenty of other taxes.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 10429.44, "end": 10430.78, "text": "Thank you, Eric.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 10430.93, "end": 10438.37, "text": "Um, and just to be clear, I think that this council frequently gets into the logic that if something doesn't solve everything, then it's not worth doing.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 10439.124, "end": 10444.584, "text": "But like the pinball fee waiver for small businesses, right?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 10444.985, "end": 10451.697, "text": "It's a small but important part of chipping away at all of the things that make it hard to do business in the city of Portland for small businesses.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 10452.21, "end": 10453.752, "text": "So that's why I supported that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1647", "start": 10453.816, "end": 10454.86, "text": "I think that's a good idea.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1648", "start": 10454.94, "end": 10458.135, "text": "I think anywhere the sandwich board fee, that's another good idea.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1649", "start": 10458.85, "end": 10464.918, "text": "Anything that we can do, these little things to chip away at what makes it difficult to run a business in Portland, I think matters.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 10465.42, "end": 10470.727, "text": "And so that's part of why we wanted to address the BLT for small businesses.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 10470.937, "end": 10471.95, "text": "So thanks for that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 10472.609, "end": 10474.829, "text": "And maybe just stay up here because there will probably be more questions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 10476.656, "end": 10477.492, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 10477.557, "end": 10480.42, "text": "Councilor Ryan is next, followed by Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 10480.613, "end": 10481.353, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 10481.497, "end": 10488.964, "text": "And I wanted to start off by thanking everyone for the testimony last And I was going to mention it was odd there were only 1 or 2 people here, and then you all just showed up.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 10489.06, "end": 10490.314, "text": "So welcome.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 10491.921, "end": 10498.368, "text": "I also want to acknowledge you, Councilor Novick, and Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, for giving that context about how this plays out.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 10499.031, "end": 10506.385, "text": "Your history and lived experiences were really helpful for me to listen to in this dialogue, and I'm glad we're finally here, that we get to have a conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 10509.654, "end": 10510.904, "text": "And I also want to acknowledge my Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 10510.952, "end": 10514.536, "text": "I want to thank my colleagues who really have been spending a lot more time talking to small businesses.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 10514.712, "end": 10516.833, "text": "I think you all know I take great joy in that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 10516.898, "end": 10524.016, "text": "I try to spend all of my free time out of City Hall walking around District 2 listening to the storefront owners.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 10524.353, "end": 10526.715, "text": "And I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 10526.779, "end": 10535.681, "text": "I think the level of awareness of what they're going through has heightened during this dialogue, and I think that's really important for our council.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 10536.71, "end": 10540.004, "text": "This wasn't the item that came up the most when I listened to small businesses.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 10540.261, "end": 10544.166, "text": "It was other issues that we've addressed in the Storefront Program.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 10545.194, "end": 10548.76, "text": "I'll just say that the relief part is pretty easy for me to support.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 10548.825, "end": 10550.688, "text": "Like, if these are decoupled, I can have that conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 10552.75, "end": 10555.867, "text": "But I couldn't get people to testify.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 10556.96, "end": 10561.845, "text": "Again, my small business network, which is pretty vast, I kept hearing this quote.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 10562.755, "end": 10568.407, "text": "The amount— coming down there for maybe 4 hours would nullify the $900 I might save.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1673", "start": 10568.778, "end": 10575.864, "text": "So the small businesses that I talked to just couldn't get here to testify, and they were mostly trying to understand what this was.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1674", "start": 10576.3, "end": 10580.487, "text": "But it wasn't— I wanted to listen to them to ask, would this be helpful?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1675", "start": 10580.908, "end": 10585.244, "text": "And again, they told me, Councilor Ryan, you know it would be helpful, and it's a different list.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1676", "start": 10587.484, "end": 10588.031, "text": "But I can—.", "speaker": "Eric Dean" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 10588.602, "end": 10592.211, "text": "So I could support it if it was decoupled, but that's not the conversation today.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 10592.531, "end": 10593.574, "text": "I want to get to the source.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 10593.654, "end": 10596.797, "text": "That's, I think, the confusion that we're having is the source.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 10596.942, "end": 10600.149, "text": "And I do want to acknowledge that finally we're having dialogue.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 10600.229, "end": 10603.517, "text": "Some of you all have been working on this since February.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 10603.613, "end": 10609.803, "text": "6 Of us are now leaning into understanding what this is, and we're trying to get to the bottom of what those sources are.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 10610.557, "end": 10613.909, "text": "When I first heard it, I was real clear it's going to impact CEOs that I'll never know.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 10613.989, "end": 10614.117, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1685", "start": 10614.647, "end": 10616.334, "text": "That live in places like Minneapolis.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1686", "start": 10616.494, "end": 10618.325, "text": "That's where Target's located.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1687", "start": 10618.759, "end": 10621.377, "text": "It would be CEOs that live in Cincinnati.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1688", "start": 10621.554, "end": 10623.063, "text": "That's where Kroger's located.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1689", "start": 10623.722, "end": 10627.047, "text": "And, you know, New York, Seattle, you get the picture.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1690", "start": 10627.898, "end": 10632.331, "text": "And so I then paused and thought about the good people in District 2.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 10633.439, "end": 10637.487, "text": "So the neighborhoods, specifically Hayden Island, I'll start there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 10637.856, "end": 10641.422, "text": "Hayden Island is out there, our north waterfront.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 10641.502, "end": 10645.864, "text": "I hope people start paying more attention to it, and they're suffering.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 10646.537, "end": 10648.236, "text": "We've had a lot of closures out there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 10648.781, "end": 10668.315, "text": "The good people near Delta Park, Bridgeton, East Columbia— Walmart closed, and one of their sites was the extra taxes, and the CEO that lives far away couldn't justify explaining why, with property crime so high and with so much of their revenues stolen, literally, they just couldn't justify making bank here any longer.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 10668.749, "end": 10670.147, "text": "I'm not a Walmart fan.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 10670.404, "end": 10678.616, "text": "Um, I, I— but I'll say a lot of people in working-class neighborhoods would like access to fresh groceries, and that was taken away from them.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 10679.036, "end": 10686.737, "text": "So their only supplier that gives fresh groceries in those neighborhoods— I never think of this as a grocery store, but it's Target.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 10688.488, "end": 10691.151, "text": "So I think about what will happen if we pass this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 10691.233, "end": 10694.587, "text": "What's the consequences that are maybe just 2 years out.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 10694.974, "end": 10696.715, "text": "Like, I get the short-term gain for 1 year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 10697.07, "end": 10700.214, "text": "I've always been trying to figure out how to bring in more revenue, so there's that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 10700.93, "end": 10701.787, "text": "But what will happen?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1704", "start": 10701.852, "end": 10705.623, "text": "What are the consequences for those residents in North Portland if this passes?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1705", "start": 10706.934, "end": 10713.421, "text": "Well, I looked up some of this, and Target is going to be taxed at 15%.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1706", "start": 10715.297, "end": 10726.813, "text": "So with that said, CEO— I don't know their name— They probably don't have a lot of time focusing on one store on Hayden Island, Portland, Oregon very often.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1707", "start": 10726.861, "end": 10730.41, "text": "They'll be like, well, now I'm going to look at it because I just got this big increase.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1708", "start": 10731.598, "end": 10734.889, "text": "And maybe they'll notice that things aren't penciling out very well.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 10735.933, "end": 10742.179, "text": "And they're not living there, so they're not listening to my constituents about their concerns about being in a food desert.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 10742.998, "end": 10744.379, "text": "And then next thing you know, Target's closed.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 10744.555, "end": 10745.294, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 10745.888, "end": 10747.589, "text": "How will this council feel about that?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1713", "start": 10747.974, "end": 10752.37, "text": "How will we feel about adding another food desert in Portland, Oregon by our direct action?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1714", "start": 10752.868, "end": 10753.846, "text": "I ask that question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1715", "start": 10754.569, "end": 10756.815, "text": "And why would people from Vancouver come over?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1716", "start": 10756.959, "end": 10757.778, "text": "That's their habit.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1717", "start": 10758.323, "end": 10762.88, "text": "The Vancouverites have been going to Hayden Island, Jantzen Beach for decades because of their sales tax.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1718", "start": 10763.057, "end": 10769.684, "text": "Well, if we're taxing 15%, chances are first they're going to do that to my working-class constituents in Hayden Island.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1719", "start": 10769.732, "end": 10770.502, "text": "And then before you know it, those prices will go up.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1720", "start": 10770.759, "end": 10772.781, "text": "And then before you know it, those prices will go up.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1721", "start": 10773.487, "end": 10777.453, "text": "And again, it's not going to work out well for the working-class residents of Hayden Island.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1722", "start": 10778.561, "end": 10784.936, "text": "This is how I understand it based on what I've heard, because you've told me it's publicly traded companies that aren't in Portland.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 10785.16, "end": 10790.218, "text": "So I think I'm identifying one for all of you with the signs that you'll have to address that question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 10791.647, "end": 10797.588, "text": "And then there's also the fact that Kroger exists and they own the Safeways, the Fred Meyers, the QFC.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 10799.593, "end": 10807.574, "text": "And right now in, in North Peninsula area, St. Johns going all the way over, we have a Fred Meyer and a Safeway in St. Johns.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 10808.391, "end": 10810.859, "text": "I doubt in 2 years if they're going to keep one of those open.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 10812.077, "end": 10815.827, "text": "I doubt if they're going to keep the Fred Meyer in Arbor Lodge meets Kenton open.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 10816.82, "end": 10827.612, "text": "This is a real risk, colleagues, that we will in fact implement another tax that would close down big box retail that provide fresh food.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 10828.768, "end": 10838.338, "text": "And so I ask you to consider that as we make thoughtful decisions about what the intended— the unintended consequences perhaps you all haven't discussed.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 10838.402, "end": 10842.063, "text": "Yeah, can I address the grocery store part?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 10842.561, "end": 10849.529, "text": "Yeah, just before you continue, the grocery store question is addressed in the FAQ because, uh, we were really concerned about the food deserts as well.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 10850.75, "end": 10856.564, "text": "But these businesses are a little bit different than other businesses because they operate on really thin margins, around 2%.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 10856.789, "end": 10859.295, "text": "So the tax would be very small.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 10859.423, "end": 10864.932, "text": "Even at the second to highest surtax bracket, that would be equivalent to a tax of 18 cents on every $100 in sales.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 10864.98, "end": 10875.629, "text": "I look forward to that Q&A because based on what the knowledge that I had from all of you, it was clear that these were CEOs far away, they'd be taxed at this amount, and that's where those percentages come from.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 10876.705, "end": 10881.731, "text": "But I look forward to reading the— that's why we're having a meeting, so we could have this kind of conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 10882.164, "end": 10882.999, "text": "If I could finish.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 10883.947, "end": 10889.197, "text": "So my point is, I'm concerned about the long-term consequences.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 10890.674, "end": 10892.81, "text": "We need to be fair to our working-class families.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 10894.062, "end": 10896.101, "text": "So that's what I'm advocating for.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 10896.198, "end": 10900.517, "text": "They need affordability as well, and they need access to these stores.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 10900.661, "end": 10900.918, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 10901.593, "end": 10906.477, "text": "Unless we want to have the conversation that you're okay with that because you want grocery stores to all be government-run.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 10906.798, "end": 10907.827, "text": "That's a fair question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1745", "start": 10908.566, "end": 10909.883, "text": "We need to have that conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1746", "start": 10909.931, "end": 10913.161, "text": "If that's the agenda that this is producing, please say it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1747", "start": 10914.189, "end": 10916.984, "text": "My point is we need to be competitive in the marketplace.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1748", "start": 10917.418, "end": 10923.604, "text": "We keep making decisions that make us an isolated island within the United States of America.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1749", "start": 10924.471, "end": 10936.419, "text": "As Councilor Novick, who knows more about this than I do, and I think the rest of us, You mentioned San Francisco is one of the only ones, and then you gave a really good assessment of what they've experienced in that city with a lot more money than ours.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 10937.254, "end": 10952.074, "text": "And so I just ask you to make sure that we're conscientious of affordability for working-class Portlanders and we don't take what on the surface sounds like a really quick, easy win from a national platform issue, insert it into our city, Portland, Oregon.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 10952.684, "end": 10964.467, "text": "Sometimes national platform issues don't fit neatly into the local, the local, the local actual real issues that we're facing in Portland, Oregon.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 10964.996, "end": 10970.894, "text": "So I hope that you sense that I'm actually really concerned about how this can actually be fair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 10971.648, "end": 10973.138, "text": "And right now, I'm not there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 10973.186, "end": 10974.917, "text": "I haven't been convinced to come to the yes side.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 10975.174, "end": 10975.51, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 10975.991, "end": 10977.963, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 10978.556, "end": 10979.87, "text": "Colleagues, we're at 12:29.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 10979.918, "end": 10981.633, "text": "Councilor Green, you're next in the queue, followed by me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 10984.005, "end": 10986.04, "text": "Okay, go for it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 10987.381, "end": 10987.639, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 10987.769, "end": 10993.619, "text": "I, I know we're running thin on time, but I just want to briefly respond, uh, to a number of questions that Councilor Ryan raised.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 10994.412, "end": 11003.557, "text": "So a tax on profits is not passed on the way a tax on sales is, a gross receipts tax, a tariff.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 11004.241, "end": 11009.829, "text": "A tax on profits is generally passed on To executives and shareholders.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 11010.969, "end": 11017.985, "text": "And so this is— this would be absorbed at the level, like if we're going to pursue the Target example or the Kroger example, I think people are worried about that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 11018.114, "end": 11020.073, "text": "Yeah, that's 9%, Kroger.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 11020.442, "end": 11027.459, "text": "You're talking about a firm that already has thin margins, okay?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 11027.924, "end": 11030.06, "text": "Generally speaking, grocery stores have 2% margins.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 11031.28, "end": 11041.571, "text": "And so if your margins are So if you're, you know, $2 on every $100 that you make in revenue, then you're paying that percentage tax of that $2.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 11041.699, "end": 11042.997, "text": "Okay?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 11043.959, "end": 11048.43, "text": "And so there's no way for this tax to make a company unprofitable.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 11049.471, "end": 11053.59, "text": "There's only— this tax can only make a company less profitable.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 11053.99, "end": 11078.867, "text": "And so if Target is making a business decision, and again, I think the idea is if If the CEOs are paid so much because they are masters of capital, they— no one can do what they do better than they can, then surely they would understand that it was— it would not be in the interest of the firm to take a company that's profitable and take it out of the market because it's slightly less profitable now, because that's the presumption that's being made.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 11080.425, "end": 11091.657, "text": "The other thing is a tax on profits here even if it's 9% or 15% with the surtax, is still far less than a sales tax in equivalent terms.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 11092.875, "end": 11099.627, "text": "And the reason why Hayden Island has those big box stores there is because they're right next to Washington State.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 11100.749, "end": 11101.198, "text": "I know that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 11101.471, "end": 11108.334, "text": "I know, I know you know that, but I am talking to the public now and trying to connect the, the actual economic logic of the situation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 11108.511, "end": 11127.913, "text": "And so if the CEO and Cincinnati or wherever they are wants to shut down one of these firms because the city of Portland is now collecting back a little bit of what they have lost over the last decade, um, then they would lose a bunch of market and sales and profit to Washington State retailers.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 11128.186, "end": 11130.176, "text": "And that would be a really poor business decision to make.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1779", "start": 11130.978, "end": 11146.543, "text": "Um, so I, I, I have very little concern that there's any actual risk that an increase in the business license surcharge surtax on this BLT would have a net impact on Hayden Island retailers.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1780", "start": 11148.294, "end": 11155.658, "text": "And also, at the end of the day, the people in that part of your district are having a hard time because they're paid low wages.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1781", "start": 11157.229, "end": 11157.359, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1782", "start": 11158.087, "end": 11158.33, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1783", "start": 11158.508, "end": 11180.52, "text": "The City of Portland would have a lot better economic development outcomes And so if there's a— if Kroger or Target or Boot Barn or whatever the company is, Ross Dress for Less, if they all decide to leave, that creates a great opportunity for local retailers to fill that void and provide that service and pay a better wage.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 11181.178, "end": 11182.301, "text": "And then everyone is better off.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 11182.862, "end": 11187.018, "text": "And so this isn't a national platform that's not going to work here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 11187.114, "end": 11187.675, "text": "I think that's a great point.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 11188.173, "end": 11205.723, "text": "Portland has very acute issues related to low wages, inequality, and the inability for us to pay for our municipal services without nickel and diming everyday working-class people because we are afraid to tax large corporations.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 11205.916, "end": 11207.971, "text": "That's the root of our problems in the city of Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 11208.709, "end": 11210.09, "text": "I'm probably out of time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1790", "start": 11210.155, "end": 11218.247, "text": "We can continue this discussion later, but I'll just say, Please read the FAQ that is attached to this item before we get to the next discussion.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1791", "start": 11218.504, "end": 11223.336, "text": "Um, a lot of the, uh, misrepresentations that have been made today are addressed in that FAQ.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1792", "start": 11223.979, "end": 11225.07, "text": "So thank you, Chair Knoll.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1793", "start": 11225.664, "end": 11226.515, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1794", "start": 11226.772, "end": 11230.915, "text": "Um, so I'll just— quick programming note, and then we will adjourn because we're past time here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1795", "start": 11231.188, "end": 11236.518, "text": "Um, so I, I am noting that Councilor Novick and I are in the queue, uh, for the next time we pick this up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1796", "start": 11236.984, "end": 11240.291, "text": "This item is going to be, uh, continued on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1797", "start": 11240.5, "end": 11248.274, "text": "Um, I don't know till when off the top of my head, but you'll get agendas coming out on Friday morning, so check there, and I'll try to get that as soon as we can.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1798", "start": 11248.724, "end": 11260.738, "text": "Similarly, the, uh, presentation item on, um, street renaming code and the process around Code 17.93 is also being continued on, uh, to a later meeting, um, TBD as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1799", "start": 11261.3, "end": 11266.615, "text": "Uh, so with that, I'm going to adjourn this meeting of the Committee of the Whole at 12:33 PM.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1800", "start": 11266.698, "end": 11268.407, "text": "Thanks everybody, see you back for a council meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" } ] }