{ "meetingId": "2026-10-15-1", "title": "Portland City Council PM Session 10/15/26", "displayTitle": "City Council · afternoon", "date": "2026-10-15T19:00:00-07:00", "duration": 190, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmudIS0u2Xk", "videoId": "pmudIS0u2Xk", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/2026/10/14", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 15, "title": "Consider an appeal by the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association requesting to add conditions of approval to the Hearings Officer’s decision to approve the rebuilding of Ida B Wells High School (LU 26-026160 CU AD)", "type": "Report", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/report/lu-26-026160-cu-ad" }, { "number": 16, "title": "Amend the Portland Zoning Code, Portland Comprehensive Plan Map and zoning maps to facilitate housing production and post-pandemic economic recovery and revitalization in the Central City (amend Title 33, Portland Comprehensive Plan Map, official zoning maps)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/central-city-code-amendments" }, { "number": 17, "title": "Amend Code related to prohibitions on possession of firearms within certain City buildings to disallow affirmative defense for persons with concealed handgun licenses (amend Code Sections 3.18.020, 14A.60.010 and 20.12.050)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/protecting-public-buildings" } ], "summary": "**The City Council voted with 12 ayes to tentatively deny the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association's appeal of the Ida B. Wells High School rebuild, upholding the hearings officer's approval and adding a condition, offered by Portland Public Schools (PPS) during the hearing, that sets guaranteed public hours at the campus track, tennis courts and fields ([03:08:27](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:08:27)).**\n\nThe decision is not final. Staff will draft revised findings for a final vote **November 5 at 2:30 p.m.** ([03:08:31](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:08:31)). Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) presided. The roll call is garbled in the transcript after Councilor Loretta Smith's vote, but the clerk announced 12 ayes, and the official agenda lists all 12 members voting yes.\n\n## District offers set hours for neighbors\n\nChristy White, a land use lawyer representing PPS, read a new condition giving the public access to the Wells track and tennis courts and the Rieke Elementary softball and multi-use fields **\"from 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM and from 5:00 PM to 9:00 PM on weekdays and from 6:00 AM to 9:00 PM on weekends and other days when school is not in session\"** ([01:25:54](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:25:54)). School events and reservations under the Civic Use of Buildings program take priority. PPS also kept the right to close the campus for vandalism, emergencies or safety incidents. White argued that no code section allowed the association to demand more. She said the condition would be recorded against the land and enforceable by the city: \"It will not matter what administration is in place.\"\n\nAppellant Valerie Friedman said the group welcomed the condition but \"this is the first time we've seen it\" ([02:30:46](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:30:46)). She asked for a 5 a.m. start, an afternoon opening closer to the end of the school day, summer hours until 10 p.m. or sunset, and the addition of the courtyard and practice field. The council adopted the condition as PPS proposed it.\n\nCouncilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) moved it, saying \"those are the bare minimum\" ([02:42:25](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:42:25)), and suggested sundown hours if summers go well. Smith (District 1), who seconded, said neighbors who pay the school bond \"got blindsided with a concession that they didn't have a chance to review\" ([02:40:04](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:40:04)).\n\n## Bike route and Burlingame walkway requests not adopted\n\nThe association also wanted the Rieke driveway designated for bikes and an off-street walkway kept on Southwest Burlingame Avenue. Keith Lydon said the remaining shared path has \"a clear space of probably about 6 feet,\" against a standard of about 12 ([01:05:13](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:05:13)). White said the path \"ranges in width from 7 feet to 12 feet,\" with most of it over 8. In rebuttal, Lydon said it is \"not really an 8-foot path, it's really 6-foot clear\" ([02:33:46](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:33:46)). Don Bach proposed moving a curb 6 feet at \"no cost to the city\" and asked, \"Where's the common sense in the PPS proposal?\" ([00:50:37](meeting:2026-10-15-1@00:50:37)).\n\nStaff said the rebuilt school keeps the same student capacity and so adds no trips. Tammy Bourne King, the city's transportation reviewer, said \"since the impact is zero, he has no authority to require widening of the path\" ([03:04:40](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:04:40)). She also said the transportation system plan \"does not apply outside of the public right-of-way\" ([03:01:04](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:01:04)). Council Vice President Olivia Clark (District 4), who lived nearby for 20 years, said she was open to granting both requests. She later conceded, \"I have a feeling I'm not going to win here on upholding the appeal\" ([03:02:16](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:02:16)). Dunphy said those conditions are not in the zoning code and could be appealed to the Land Use Board of Appeals ([02:55:49](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:55:49)).\n\n## Staff described the access request as unprecedented\n\nAndy Galizia, a planner with the city's Permitting & Development bureau, said that since 2015 the city has approved rebuilds of 8 other public high schools, none of which required public recreational access. He said Wells is the last such rebuild, so upholding the appeal would make its neighbors the only ones with that right ([00:14:53](meeting:2026-10-15-1@00:14:53)). Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) asked whether the council could grant the access request. Galizia said it could, but called that reading \"somewhat aggressive or creative interpretation of the zoning code\" ([00:42:14](meeting:2026-10-15-1@00:42:14)). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) asked how much of the PPS bond nearby residents pay. Galizia replied, \"I don't think it's relevant to the legal question you have to answer\" ([00:40:19](meeting:2026-10-15-1@00:40:19)).\n\n## Neighbors and students split in testimony\n\nFour people testified for the appeal and eight against it. Richard Stein, calling from Amsterdam, said he gathered over 250 signatures and that 81% of Hillsdale streets lack sidewalks ([01:19:16](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:19:16)). Tuyen Nguyen estimated up to 3,900 linear feet of fencing and 8 to 26 tons of steel ([01:16:00](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:16:00)). Linda Venti said notice signs showed no fence: \"Community members feel deceived.\" ([01:12:20](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:12:20))\n\nAthletic director Mike Nolan said the school spent more than $10,000 removing graffiti last year ([02:12:56](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:12:56)). Counselor Malcolm Simonoff said an intruder entered the campus the day before and that \"8 Of the 9 PPS high schools are no longer going to allow unrestricted public access to their facilities.\" ([02:09:50](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:09:50)) Four students, including student body president Mia Durham Labus, described damage and crowded practices. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said she was persuaded by the students: \"it is their school at the end of the day\" ([02:36:28](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:36:28)).\n\nThis session had no open public-comment period. All public testimony came within the appeal hearing.\n\n## Exchanges on the dais\n\nClark raised a point of order as the motion took shape: \"I don't want to deny the entire appeal yet.\" ([02:47:44](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:47:44)) Senior Deputy City Attorney Lauren King advised holding the motion until all conditions could go into one vote. Clark had earlier told the appellants, \"I think the fence is offensive, but that's my opinion.\" ([00:56:46](meeting:2026-10-15-1@00:56:46)) White told the council, \"We are not messing around with our fences.\" Ryan countered, \"I actually do believe fences make good neighbors.\" ([02:49:42](meeting:2026-10-15-1@02:49:42)) Pressing White on closing a worn corner path on Burlingame, Zimmerman said, \"It kind of seems like a strange hill to die on\" ([01:50:08](meeting:2026-10-15-1@01:50:08)).\n\n## What's next\n\n- **November 5, 2:30 p.m.:** revised findings and a final vote on the Wells appeal. Clark asked PPS to define what level of vandalism would close the gates. Staff said that information is already in the record and can be used in the findings.\n- **October 29, 2:30 p.m.:** the Central City zoning amendments return ([03:08:31](meeting:2026-10-15-1@03:08:31)).\n- **No date set:** the ordinance removing the concealed-handgun-license defense in city buildings was postponed to a future meeting.", "summaryText": "The City Council voted with 12 ayes to tentatively deny the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association's appeal of the Ida B. Wells High School rebuild, upholding the hearings officer's approval and adding a condition, offered by Portland Public Schools (PPS) during the hearing, that sets guaranteed public hours at the campus track, tennis courts and fields (03:08:27).\n\nThe decision is not final. Staff will draft revised findings for a final vote November 5 at 2:30 p.m. (03:08:31). Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) presided. The roll call is garbled in the transcript after Councilor Loretta Smith's vote, but the clerk announced 12 ayes, and the official agenda lists all 12 members voting yes.\n\nChristy White, a land use lawyer representing PPS, read a new condition giving the public access to the Wells track and tennis courts and the Rieke Elementary softball and multi-use fields \"from 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM and from 5:00 PM to 9:00 PM on weekdays and from 6:00 AM to 9:00 PM on weekends and other days when school is not in session\" (01:25:54). School events and reservations under the Civic Use of Buildings program take priority. PPS also kept the right to close the campus for vandalism, emergencies or safety incidents. White argued that no code section allowed the association to demand more. She said the condition would be recorded against the land and enforceable by the city: \"It will not matter what administration is in place.\"\n\nAppellant Valerie Friedman said the group welcomed the condition but \"this is the first time we've seen it\" (02:30:46). She asked for a 5 a.m. start, an afternoon opening closer to the end of the school day, summer hours until 10 p.m. or sunset, and the addition of the courtyard and practice field. The council adopted the condition as PPS proposed it.\n\nCouncilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) moved it, saying \"those are the bare minimum\" (02:42:25), and suggested sundown hours if summers go well. Smith (District 1), who seconded, said neighbors who pay the school bond \"got blindsided with a concession that they didn't have a chance to review\" (02:40:04).\n\nThe association also wanted the Rieke driveway designated for bikes and an off-street walkway kept on Southwest Burlingame Avenue. Keith Lydon said the remaining shared path has \"a clear space of probably about 6 feet,\" against a standard of about 12 (01:05:13). White said the path \"ranges in width from 7 feet to 12 feet,\" with most of it over 8. In rebuttal, Lydon said it is \"not really an 8-foot path, it's really 6-foot clear\" (02:33:46). Don Bach proposed moving a curb 6 feet at \"no cost to the city\" and asked, \"Where's the common sense in the PPS proposal?\" (00:50:37).\n\nStaff said the rebuilt school keeps the same student capacity and so adds no trips. Tammy Bourne King, the city's transportation reviewer, said \"since the impact is zero, he has no authority to require widening of the path\" (03:04:40). She also said the transportation system plan \"does not apply outside of the public right-of-way\" (03:01:04). Council Vice President Olivia Clark (District 4), who lived nearby for 20 years, said she was open to granting both requests. She later conceded, \"I have a feeling I'm not going to win here on upholding the appeal\" (03:02:16). Dunphy said those conditions are not in the zoning code and could be appealed to the Land Use Board of Appeals (02:55:49).\n\nAndy Galizia, a planner with the city's Permitting & Development bureau, said that since 2015 the city has approved rebuilds of 8 other public high schools, none of which required public recreational access. He said Wells is the last such rebuild, so upholding the appeal would make its neighbors the only ones with that right (00:14:53). Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) asked whether the council could grant the access request. Galizia said it could, but called that reading \"somewhat aggressive or creative interpretation of the zoning code\" (00:42:14). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) asked how much of the PPS bond nearby residents pay. Galizia replied, \"I don't think it's relevant to the legal question you have to answer\" (00:40:19).\n\nFour people testified for the appeal and eight against it. Richard Stein, calling from Amsterdam, said he gathered over 250 signatures and that 81% of Hillsdale streets lack sidewalks (01:19:16). Tuyen Nguyen estimated up to 3,900 linear feet of fencing and 8 to 26 tons of steel (01:16:00). Linda Venti said notice signs showed no fence: \"Community members feel deceived.\" (01:12:20)\n\nAthletic director Mike Nolan said the school spent more than $10,000 removing graffiti last year (02:12:56). Counselor Malcolm Simonoff said an intruder entered the campus the day before and that \"8 Of the 9 PPS high schools are no longer going to allow unrestricted public access to their facilities.\" (02:09:50) Four students, including student body president Mia Durham Labus, described damage and crowded practices. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) said she was persuaded by the students: \"it is their school at the end of the day\" (02:36:28).\n\nThis session had no open public-comment period. All public testimony came within the appeal hearing.\n\nClark raised a point of order as the motion took shape: \"I don't want to deny the entire appeal yet.\" (02:47:44) Senior Deputy City Attorney Lauren King advised holding the motion until all conditions could go into one vote. Clark had earlier told the appellants, \"I think the fence is offensive, but that's my opinion.\" (00:56:46) White told the council, \"We are not messing around with our fences.\" Ryan countered, \"I actually do believe fences make good neighbors.\" (02:49:42) Pressing White on closing a worn corner path on Burlingame, Zimmerman said, \"It kind of seems like a strange hill to die on\" (01:50:08).\n\n- November 5, 2:30 p.m.: revised findings and a final vote on the Wells appeal. Clark asked PPS to define what level of vandalism would close the gates. Staff said that information is already in the record and can be used in the findings. - October 29, 2:30 p.m.: the Central City zoning amendments return (03:08:31). - No date set: the ordinance removing the concealed-handgun-license defense in city buildings was postponed to a future meeting.", "summaryLede": "The City Council voted with 12 ayes to tentatively deny the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association's appeal of the Ida B. 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"start": 436.493, "end": 438.979, "text": "If you are a lobbyist, identify your organization you represent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 439.62, "end": 443.645, "text": "Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls their name.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 443.869, "end": 444.126, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 444.735, "end": 445.168, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 445.232, "end": 452.08, "text": "Colleagues, as a quick housekeeping point, we probably will not be getting to the concealed handgun item today, and if we do, we almost certainly will not finish it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 452.144, "end": 460.426, "text": "So, uh, that being said, my top goal for today is for us to do our absolute best to get through the 2 first readings on both land use 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"speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 494.046, "end": 495.571, "text": "This is an evidentiary hearing.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 495.864, "end": 499.37, "text": "This means you may submit new evidence to council in support of your arguments.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 500.01, "end": 506.565, "text": "For an evidentiary hearing, we will begin with a staff report by the Bureau of Development— Bureau of Planning and Services for approximately 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 506.629, "end": 510.231, "text": "Following the staff report, council will hear from interested persons in the following order.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 510.298, "end": 511.827, "text": "The appellant will go first and will have 10 minutes to present their case.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 511.96, "end": 516.186, "text": "Following the appellant, Persons who support the appeal will go next.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 516.667, "end": 518.976, "text": "Each person will have 3 minutes to speak to the council.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 520.259, "end": 525.615, "text": "The principal opponent, the applicant, will have 15 minutes to address city council and rebut the appellant's presentation.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 525.888, "end": 530.217, "text": "If there's— after the principal opponent, council will hear from persons who oppose the appeal.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 530.538, "end": 532.11, "text": "Again, each person will have 3 minutes.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 532.286, "end": 537.113, "text": "Finally, the appellant will have 5 minutes to rebut the council presentation of the opponent's appeal.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 537.578, "end": 540.753, "text": "The council may then close the hearing, deliberate, and take a vote on the appeal.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 541.108, "end": 546.118, "text": "If a vote is tentative, the council may set a future date for adoption of findings and a final vote on the appeal.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 547.626, "end": 550.891, "text": "If council takes a final vote today, that will conclude the matter before the council.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 555.168, "end": 561.483, "text": "For an evidentiary hearing, I'd like to announce some— several guidelines for those who will be addressing city council today.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 562.41, "end": 563.429, "text": "Submitting evidence in the record.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 563.882, "end": 569.416, "text": "Any letters or documents you wish to become part of the record should be given to the council clerk after you testify.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 569.878, "end": 581.665, "text": "Similarly, the original or copy of any slides, photographs, drawings, maps, videos, or other items you show council during your testimony, including PowerPoint presentations, should be given to the council clerk to make sure they become part of the record.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 582.355, "end": 584.697, "text": "Testimony must be directed to the approval criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 585.001, "end": 595.297, "text": "Any testimony, arguments, and evidence you present must be directed toward the applicable approval criteria for this land use review or other criteria in the city's comprehensive plan or zoning code that you believe apply to the decision.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 596.788, "end": 601.453, "text": "The PP&D staff will identify the applicable approval criteria as a part of their staff report to the council.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 602.158, "end": 603.986, "text": "Issues must be raised with specificity.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 604.178, "end": 609.003, "text": "You must raise an issue clearly enough to give the council and the parties an opportunity to respond to the issue.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 609.244, "end": 614.037, "text": "If you do not, you'll be precluded from appealing this to the Land Use Board of Appeals based on that issue.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 614.998, "end": 619.407, "text": "Finally, the applicant must identify constitutional challenges to conditions of approval.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 619.904, "end": 627.245, "text": "If the applicant fails to raise constitutional or other issues related to the proposed conditions of approval with enough specificity to allow the council to respond, Councilor Herbold.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 627.326, "end": 630.997, "text": "If the applicant does not respond, the applicant will be precluded from bringing an action for damages in circuit court.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 632.566, "end": 632.953, "text": "Thank you, Lauren.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 633.534, "end": 635.873, "text": "Colleagues, I have a couple of questions first to each of you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 635.954, "end": 639.777, "text": "First, do any members of this council wish to declare a conflict of interest?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 642.552, "end": 647.175, "text": "Seeing no one excitedly jumping up to declare, no councilors have a conflict of interest.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 647.321, "end": 656.329, "text": "Do any members of this council have— have any members of this council had any ex parte contacts to declare or information gathered outside of this hearing to disclose?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 657.514, "end": 659.019, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 660.103, "end": 673.407, "text": "Yeah, I have not had direct engagement with these emails, but my office has received, I think, a significant number of emails from folks who live near the project and had things to say about it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 674.857, "end": 677.997, "text": "We've summarized that just through my chief of staff.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 678.319, "end": 694.278, "text": "In March, I attended a site visit where I sort of walked to look at kind of maybe some traffic impacts around the sites, and then on my campaign side, some of my canvassers have knocked doors in Hillsdale and, and people have said, hey, I— we've got this thing coming up, Councilor Green should be aware of it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 694.326, "end": 695.579, "text": "So that's what I would disclose.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 696.157, "end": 696.8, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 697.523, "end": 703.323, "text": "Uh, is there anyone present in the council chambers who wishes to ask Councilor Green about his ex parte contacts or information he has disclosed?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 704.512, "end": 704.753, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 705.717, "end": 705.974, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 706.134, "end": 706.777, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 707.42, "end": 708.801, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 708.866, "end": 726.145, "text": "I've also received emails, but, uh, I also wanted out of abundance of caution, I want to disclose that I was in communication with PPS leadership prior to their application submittal to help find a solution for the siting of the Hillsdale Farmers Market during school construction.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 726.258, "end": 727.631, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 727.696, "end": 731.781, "text": "Same question for anyone have any questions for Vice President Clark?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 733.43, "end": 734.322, "text": "Okay, Councilor Murillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 736.15, "end": 742.005, "text": "Um, similar to Councilor Green, my office has received a number of emails, uh, on this, but I have not seen any of them or talked with anyone.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 742.623, "end": 743.313, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 743.988, "end": 745.593, "text": "Again, anybody need to ask about that?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 745.674, "end": 745.995, "text": "Nope.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 746.091, "end": 747.392, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 747.44, "end": 748.002, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 748.788, "end": 750.892, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 751.117, "end": 763.288, "text": "Um, out of abundance of caution, the area that we're talking about I know really well, and so I just wanted to say that, um, count me as guilty as I'm going from the Burlingame neighborhood through the I.W.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 763.336, "end": 766.692, "text": "Wells property over to the Hillsdale area.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 767.013, "end": 768.731, "text": "So I I just had to own that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 769.132, "end": 777.53, "text": "So, uh, I— my brain is, um, aware of the area that we're talking about quite intimately since I was on the school board at one time, and I've had many friends in that area.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 777.706, "end": 781.415, "text": "So looking forward to hearing what we— all the details today.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 781.64, "end": 781.897, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 782.266, "end": 783.005, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 783.165, "end": 785.863, "text": "Again, anyone present in the chambers wish to ask Councilor Ryan?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-122", "start": 787.276, "end": 788.881, "text": "Again, no one excited to jump up and ask.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-123", "start": 789.411, "end": 790.551, "text": "Uh, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-124", "start": 791.097, "end": 791.354, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-125", "start": 791.659, "end": 810.225, "text": "Uh, similar to Councilor Green and Councilor Clark, since we represent this area, we certainly have many contacts I echo those same things as well as a conversation with the principal of this school and also an attempt, but it did not occur, to work with district leadership, and that conversation did not occur, but I did make an attempt.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-126", "start": 811.108, "end": 811.863, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-127", "start": 811.927, "end": 812.827, "text": "Similar question again.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 812.955, "end": 816.617, "text": "Anyone present wish to ask Councilor Zimmerman about his ex parte contacts?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 817.308, "end": 818.336, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 819.219, "end": 819.717, "text": "Next question.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 819.765, "end": 823.331, "text": "Has any members of the council made any visits to the site involved in this matter?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 823.395, "end": 825.049, "text": "Councilor Green has already stated that he has.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 825.306, "end": 828.745, "text": "And Councilor Ryan has similarly said he has been to the site.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 829.66, "end": 832.119, "text": "Any additional disclosures of visiting?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-135", "start": 832.472, "end": 834.561, "text": "If it wasn't clear that I've visited the site, yes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-136", "start": 834.69, "end": 835.492, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-137", "start": 838.488, "end": 838.984, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-138", "start": 840.835, "end": 841.68, "text": "Yes, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-139", "start": 841.891, "end": 846.598, "text": "Does this go beyond the Ida Wells but into the elementary school area?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-140", "start": 851.173, "end": 851.527, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 851.8, "end": 852.041, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 852.297, "end": 857.067, "text": "I just wanted to add that I know that area intimately as well 'cause we saved that school way back when.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 857.259, "end": 857.982, "text": "So thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-144", "start": 858.881, "end": 859.941, "text": "Okay, excellent.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-145", "start": 860.07, "end": 865.337, "text": "So that is all of my initial preliminary questions for staff and/or for councilors.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-146", "start": 865.385, "end": 866.782, "text": "Thank you all for your patience with that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-147", "start": 866.975, "end": 870.379, "text": "As our attorney noted, I'll be calling testimony in the following order.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-148", "start": 870.443, "end": 872.499, "text": "First, the staff report, about 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-149", "start": 872.932, "end": 876.465, "text": "Then the presentation of the appellant, 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-150", "start": 876.851, "end": 888.126, "text": "Then supporters of the appellant, 3 minutes each, then the presentation of the applicant, 15 minutes, then supporters of the applicant, 3 minutes each, and finally rebuttal by the appellant, 5 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-151", "start": 888.963, "end": 890.705, "text": "With that, I believe we're ready for our staff report.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-152", "start": 892.616, "end": 893.052, "text": "Welcome up.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-153", "start": 893.471, "end": 898.618, "text": "Just going to share my screen.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-154", "start": 898.666, "end": 899.505, "text": "I have a PowerPoint.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-155", "start": 913.299, "end": 914.247, "text": "Okay, good afternoon.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-156", "start": 914.664, "end": 915.82, "text": "I am Andy Galizia.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-157", "start": 915.949, "end": 919.449, "text": "I am the PP&D planner for this conditional use review to rebuild Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-158", "start": 919.497, "end": 920.139, "text": "Wells High School.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-159", "start": 920.637, "end": 928.681, "text": "I'm here with Tammy Bourne King, who is the transportation reviewer for this project, and I'm going to briefly summarize the project, the hearings officer's decision, and the appeal.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-160", "start": 933.461, "end": 935.947, "text": "This is an aerial photograph of the subject site.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 936.348, "end": 943.147, "text": "The property is between Southwest Vermont Street to the south and the Hillsdale Town Center on Southwest Capitol Highway to the north.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 943.789, "end": 947.172, "text": "This is a Portland Public Schools campus with 2 different schools, the Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 947.237, "end": 951.23, "text": "Wells High School on the east side and the Rieke Elementary School on the west side.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 951.823, "end": 955.207, "text": "And the site also contains an outdoor swimming pool and several athletic fields.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 958.167, "end": 963.881, "text": "The site is within 3 different zoning districts: the IR zone, the R-7 zone, and the OS zone.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 964.56, "end": 971.583, "text": "And schools are classified as conditional uses in all 3 of these zones, and that's what triggers the requirement for conditional use review for this project.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 974.295, "end": 975.602, "text": "This is the existing Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 975.666, "end": 976.683, "text": "Wells High School building.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 976.731, "end": 977.99, "text": "This opened in the 1950s.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 978.732, "end": 985.176, "text": "Classes would continue in this building during construction, and once the new high school building is occupied, this building would be demolished.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 987.485, "end": 989.468, "text": "And this is the site plan proposed for the campus.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 990.145, "end": 994.546, "text": "The new high school building would be constructed just west of where the existing high school building is.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 995.142, "end": 1005.249, "text": "A baseball field, tennis courts, and a parking area would be where the current high school building is now, and the elementary school, the swimming pool, and the other athletic fields would remain in their current locations.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1008.78, "end": 1011.2, "text": "And this is a 3D view of the proposal.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1011.444, "end": 1017.376, "text": "The new high school building is the taller building toward the left side of this drawing, and it's fronting on Southwest Vermont Street.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1020.38, "end": 1023.036, "text": "So the hearings officer's decision included 3 approvals.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1023.149, "end": 1035.332, "text": "First, a conditional use review for the new high school building and campus upgrades, finding that the approval criteria were met for compatibility, livability, character, public services, and neighborhood and community plans.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1035.945, "end": 1039.719, "text": "Second, a zoning code adjustment to allow taller athletic field light poles.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1040.409, "end": 1045.687, "text": "Finding that approval criteria were met for the purpose of the height limit, livability, appearance, and character.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1046.543, "end": 1059.103, "text": "And lastly, sign code adjustments for larger athletic field scoreboards, finding that approval criteria were met for avoiding sign clutter, protecting traffic safety, visual compatibility, and consistency with the development of the site.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1061.97, "end": 1064.313, "text": "The hearings officer imposed 4 conditions of approval.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1064.636, "end": 1069.725, "text": "Condition A requires the building permit plans to be consistent with the plans approved in the land use review.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1070.429, "end": 1075.518, "text": "Condition B requires the use of outdoor public address systems to end by 9:30 PM.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1076.291, "end": 1080.154, "text": "Condition C requires the athletic field lights to be turned off by 10 PM.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1080.941, "end": 1086.084, "text": "And Condition D requires 4 public access easements allowing the public to travel through this site.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1086.582, "end": 1089.331, "text": "And the planned easements are the colored lines on this map.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1090.9, "end": 1096.399, "text": "The green pathway in the center of the 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1130.69, "text": "And in a land use review, a condition of approval is allowed when the condition is found to be necessary for for one or more of the approval criteria to be met.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1133.26, "end": 1149.101, "text": "First, the appellant is requesting that the public access easement through the center of the site, which is the green line on this map, designates the existing driveway for cyclists and the existing pathway next to the driveway for pedestrians and requires shared lane markings for bikes on the driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1149.76, "end": 1153.998, "text": "And the photograph on the right side of this slide is looking south along this existing driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1154.082, "end": 1154.216, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1154.618, "end": 1160.153, "text": "And in this photo, the Rieke Elementary School building is on the right, and the pathway next to the driveway is on the left.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1160.779, "end": 1168.656, "text": "Again, the hearings officer's condition of approval said the public access easement in this area could designate either the driveway or the pathway next to it for bikes.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1169.603, "end": 1174.303, "text": "Currently, this driveway has been used by both cars and bikes as a connection through this property.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1175.041, "end": 1180.191, "text": "The school district plans to reconfigure this driveway so that the southern part of the driveway would end in a circle.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1180.512, "end": 1184.286, "text": "And there would be new bollards that separate the southern and northern sections of the driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1184.784, "end": 1193.329, "text": "So there wouldn't be through access for cars on this driveway anymore, though cars could still move through this site along the blue line on this map on the north and east sides of the property.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1194.566, "end": 1202.581, "text": "And the reason for these changes is because the southern section of the driveway is used for the elementary school pickup and drop-off, and they want to make this a safer space.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1203.4, "end": 1208.54, "text": "In practice, bikes would still be able to maneuver past the bollards and continue to use this driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1208.62, "end": 1208.749, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1209.102, "end": 1218.331, "text": "But the school district wants to preserve the legal right to try to restrict cyclists to the pathway in the future if there are conflicts between bikes and the pickup and drop-off happening on the driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1218.899, "end": 1224.757, "text": "However, bikes would always have an alternative route through this site along the driveway designated with the blue line on this map.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1227.582, "end": 1232.879, "text": "It's important to note that the existing condition here is actually no public access rights through this property.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1233.641, "end": 1238.888, "text": "Currently, the school district could legally block access through their property at any time, just like any other property owner could.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1240.047, "end": 1244.06, "text": "This driveway is treated like a street in some planning documents, but it's not a street.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1244.156, "end": 1250.544, "text": "An implementation of the hearings officer's decision would be the first time that public access through this site is legally guaranteed.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1252.021, "end": 1268.215, "text": "The rebuilding project would not increase the number of trips associated with the school because the new building would have the same student capacity as the building it will replace, and that affected the hearings officer's analysis of what the city could require here because transportation requirements have to be related to the impacts of a project.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1268.79, "end": 1276.51, "text": "So the hearings officer found in this case that all of the approval criteria were satisfied, even if bikes could be excluded from this driveway and limited to the pathway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1279.387, "end": 1288.662, "text": "The next request by the appellant is for a condition of approval requiring the school district to construct additional pedestrian improvements on Southwest Burlingame Avenue in the northeast corner of the site.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1290.146, "end": 1303.292, "text": "And the appeal statement requests the school district either widens the existing pathway entrance at the northeast corner of the property, which is illustrated on the left side of the slide, or constructs a new public sidewalk along part of the school's frontage on Burlingame Avenue.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1303.421, "end": 1305.402, "text": "And that's illustrated on the right side of this slide.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 1308.937, "end": 1316.141, "text": "The school district plans to convert an existing driveway entrance on Burlingame into a pedestrian entrance that connects to the campus pathway system.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1316.916, "end": 1327.149, "text": "The current pathway entrance at the northeast corner of the property that the appellant suggests could be widened is at a sharp curve in the road, which creates potential safety issues related to sight distance for drivers.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1327.763, "end": 1329.895, "text": "And the new pedestrian entrance would be further from that curve.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1331.29, "end": 1339.035, "text": "The appeal statement also mentions the importance of pedestrians not having to walk in the street, but I want to note there are no sidewalks on Southwest Burlingame.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1339.083, "end": 1348.191, "text": "So even if the school district provided additional improvements within their frontage on Burlingame, pedestrians would still need to walk in the street or on the shoulder to reach those improvements.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1348.383, "end": 1354.605, "text": "And the hearings officer did not find that the improvements requested by the appellant here were necessary for the approval criteria to be met.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1354.653, "end": 1354.845, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1355.316, "end": 1363.325, "text": "Again, this project does not increase the number of trips associated with this use, which affects the analysis of the transportation improvements the city can require.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1366.448, "end": 1378.708, "text": "And the last condition of approval requested by the appellant is to require the school district to allow public access to the open areas and recreational facilities on the campus when those areas are not being used by the school district.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1379.257, "end": 1392.319, "text": "And this is requested because the campus is currently unfenced and the school district plans to create a new fenced area on the east side of the campus, and that's represented by the black line around the new high school building and the athletic fields in this site plan on this slide.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1395.47, "end": 1406.565, "text": "The appeal statement cites the approval criterion about the Hillsdale Town Center Plan and the Southwest Community Plan because these plans have policy statements about the value of community facilities and open spaces.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1407.307, "end": 1432.716, "text": "The hearings officer considered that argument, but he found the approval criteria could not require a property owner to open their property to for context, since 2015, the city has approved land use reviews for major remodels or rebuilds of 8 other public high schools, and none of the prior land use decisions included a requirement for public access to recreational facilities.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1433.557, "end": 1442.787, "text": "Earlier this year, the city approved the rebuild of Jefferson High School in North Portland, for example, and like with all the others, there was no requirement for recreational amenities to be open to neighbors.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1442.838, "end": 1443.144, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1443.739, "end": 1452.666, "text": "Even though the Humboldt Neighborhood Plan and the Albina Community Plan that applied to that conditional use review include similar policies about community facilities and open space.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1453.183, "end": 1458.12, "text": "And actually, a much greater percentage of the Jefferson campus will be fenced off compared to what's proposed for Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1458.184, "end": 1458.475, "text": "Wells.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1460.1, "end": 1468.559, "text": "I want to emphasize that the question before you is not just whether or not neighbors have a reasonable or justifiable claim to a given degree of access to the school campus.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1469.123, "end": 1483.305, "text": "A big part of what you're faced with today is the question of whether the scope of approval— or the scope of authority, rather— of the zoning code can require a property owner to grant that kind of access to neighbors.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1484.205, "end": 1492.461, "text": "And finding that the zoning code can regulate this type of property management decision would be a significantly more restrictive interpretation than we've made in the past.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1493.601, "end": 1501.353, "text": "And I also want to emphasize that although granting this appeal would set a new precedent, There's not any way in this land use decision to make this equitable between neighborhoods.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1501.884, "end": 1502.142, "text": "Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1502.206, "end": 1509.597, "text": "Wells is the last PPS high school rebuild to go through land use review, and there's not any way to reopen the previous land use decisions for the other schools.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1510.176, "end": 1511.963, "text": "So if the appeal is upheld, Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1512.028, "end": 1519.366, "text": "Wells neighbors would be the only neighbors in the city to have a recreational access right to a school campus that's legally protected in a land use decision.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1521.583, "end": 1527.259, "text": "So the options before City Council today are to deny the appeal and uphold the hearings officer's findings, decision, and conditions of approval.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1529.532, "end": 1543.759, "text": "Or to deny the appeal and uphold the hearings officer's decision and conditions of approval but revise the hearings officer's findings, or to uphold the appeal and modify the hearings officer's findings and conditions of approval and implement one or more of the conditions of approval requested by the appellant.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1543.919, "end": 1545.236, "text": "I'd be happy to answer any questions.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1546.617, "end": 1547.773, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1547.837, "end": 1554.517, "text": "We will have more opportunity for discussion and, uh, deliberation, but if there are any technical or clarifying questions for our staff at this time.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1558.48, "end": 1559.611, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1562.133, "end": 1562.57, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1564.574, "end": 1580.945, "text": "With respect to the easement, I want to make sure I'm understanding the, the words and everything and the lines and the green line between the elementary and the high school and what is currently a driveway with parking slots next to it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1583.147, "end": 1593.442, "text": "And I just need some clarification in terms of what it is in the hearings officer's finding and what is being requested specifically.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1593.523, "end": 1603.232, "text": "And it's a little bit of where bikes go and whether or not it's an easement, meaning it's permanent and it's by law, or if it's by choice of the property owner.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1603.297, "end": 1609.335, "text": "And I, I want to make sure I'm getting it correct, and because It was hard to read on the map a little bit.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1609.399, "end": 1612.799, "text": "If we can just spend another minute on that for clarifying purposes, that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1613.107, "end": 1614.645, "text": "Yeah, would you like me to scroll back to that slide?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1614.71, "end": 1615.179, "text": "That would be great.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1615.373, "end": 1615.438, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1615.568, "end": 1615.665, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 1616.28, "end": 1618.334, "text": "Do you want to address that?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 1622.878, "end": 1625.69, "text": "So this is the green line that we're talking about.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 1625.739, "end": 1631.587, "text": "This is an existing driveway and pathway, and there's nothing— there's no legal right to use this now.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 1631.636, "end": 1635.223, "text": "It's just a de facto connection through the property that people have used for a long time.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1636.026, "end": 1644.454, "text": "And, uh, what is approved by the hearings officer is a new easement that would require the school district to allow pedestrians and bikes to move through this space.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1644.631, "end": 1654.978, "text": "The issue in the appeal is the easement requirement by the hearings officer's decision was they could have the bikes either on the driveway or the pathway, but not necessarily one or the other or both.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1655.171, "end": 1658.167, "text": "And the appellants would like to have a right to use the driveway for bikes.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1658.41, "end": 1659.269, "text": "Do you have anything to add to that?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1661.084, "end": 1663.222, "text": "A right to use the driveway for bikes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1663.271, "end": 1666.611, "text": "So in layman's terms, the part that looks more like a road?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1667.156, "end": 1667.556, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1667.941, "end": 1668.197, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1668.277, "end": 1668.918, "text": "Yes, this part.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1669.095, "end": 1670.521, "text": "This is what I'm referring to as the driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1671.146, "end": 1671.354, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1671.562, "end": 1671.899, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1672.107, "end": 1680.311, "text": "And I want to be clear that currently the green line on this drawing as an easement does not exist.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1680.375, "end": 1685.294, "text": "It's just in practice many of us go through there, correct, as walkers or bikers.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1685.342, "end": 1688.547, "text": "But that's by the grace of the property owner currently?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1689.092, "end": 1689.476, "text": "That's correct.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1689.525, "end": 1699.433, "text": "And this is establishing an easement and the hearing— the appeal is not only to keep that easement but then to dictate an aspect of it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1699.851, "end": 1700.205, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1700.655, "end": 1701.572, "text": "Well, more the latter part.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1701.636, "end": 1703.73, "text": "I mean, there's no question about the easement being kept.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1704.293, "end": 1714.198, "text": "It's— I think the appellant is asking for that easement to specifically apply to bikes being able to use that driveway, this part, and not just being relegated to the pathway next to it.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1714.554, "end": 1725.975, "text": "I guess that's where I'm a little bit hung up in terms of what that means, because I'm not— just in terms of general normal person use, a person rides a bike sometimes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1726.088, "end": 1726.184, "text": "If—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1726.65, "end": 1730.394, "text": "Put it this way, adults seem to ride bikes on streets and kids ride bikes on sidewalks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1730.442, "end": 1739.002, "text": "I'm just trying to understand what it means to put some specific language around that, to say, right, a right to ride a bike on what is otherwise used by cars.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1739.05, "end": 1740.741, "text": "I'm just trying to understand that a little bit.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1741.047, "end": 1741.756, "text": "Sorry, one more back.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 1742.496, "end": 1755.919, "text": "Yeah, um, I think that people— I think the school district has acknowledged in the previous hearing for the hearings officer that people would continue to ride their bikes on the driveway, on, you know, with the cars.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 1756.192, "end": 1767.114, "text": "That's— I don't think there's a good practical way to stop them from doing that, but they object to having a legal requirement put on their property that they must allow that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 1767.211, "end": 1767.372, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 1769.552, "end": 1769.953, "text": "That make sense?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 1770.017, "end": 1770.723, "text": "Did that answer your question?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 1771.558, "end": 1776.933, "text": "Yeah, as much sense as going from what is currently already happening to putting it in law.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 1777.013, "end": 1782.277, "text": "That's where I'm struggling with is like everyday practice to now it'll be part of a land use plan.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 1782.71, "end": 1790.589, "text": "And that's what I'm just trying to think through, not just the today and tomorrow, but like what does this look like down the road?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 1790.653, "end": 1794.953, "text": "What does such a specific requirement enable later on?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 1795.066, "end": 1796.975, "text": "So that's where I'm thinking through it a little bit.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 1798.617, "end": 1813.359, "text": "Is there any indication that the plans as they currently are drafted would have some environmental design that would prevent bicyclists on the path or the driveway?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 1814.583, "end": 1817.194, "text": "There's nothing proposed that would do that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 1817.403, "end": 1821.304, "text": "And it would be— there'd be bollards that would stop cars from going through.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 1821.513, "end": 1822.19, "text": "There's 2 bollards.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 1822.255, "end": 1823.915, "text": "It'd be easy for a bike to go around it.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 1825.006, "end": 1827.432, "text": "So will there be no parking in this area in the future?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 1827.978, "end": 1829.713, "text": "There would still be parking.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 1830.709, "end": 1832.027, "text": "And where would they enter in from?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 1833.2, "end": 1836.236, "text": "From Vermont, from the south, for the elementary school.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 1836.734, "end": 1838.036, "text": "But that's where the bollards are at?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 1838.502, "end": 1840.462, "text": "The bollards would be right here.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 1841.073, "end": 1841.956, "text": "You can see my cursor.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 1843.145, "end": 1846.503, "text": "Oh, at that halfway point, kind of where we already have that walkway currently?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 1847.821, "end": 1849.234, "text": "And sorry, Tammy, did you want to say something?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 1849.283, "end": 1850.375, "text": "You wanted me to go to this slide?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 1850.553, "end": 1857.211, "text": "Sure, yeah, I wanted to put— I asked Andy to put this slide up because I think it shows the reconfiguration of the driveway.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 1857.276, "end": 1859.285, "text": "So it'll no longer be a through access for vehicles.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 1859.992, "end": 1873.915, "text": "It will still serve as parking north of the bollards and south of the bollards, but there will be pedestrian access available on the pathway on either side of the school or of this driveway.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 1873.979, "end": 1877.581, "text": "I just wanted to make sure everybody knows you can still physically walk on both sides.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 1877.63, "end": 1877.743, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 1877.972, "end": 1881.981, "text": "You could still physically ride a bicycle down the center of the driveway.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 1882.462, "end": 1891.042, "text": "It's just there will only be an easement right for through access to the— for the general public on the high school side of the driveway, on the pathway.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 1891.62, "end": 1903.535, "text": "So currently, right, if I— when I come to events as a district councilor at this school, I generally have a choice of pulling in from Vermont or from the food carts.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 1903.856, "end": 1904.289, "text": "Area, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 1904.354, "end": 1907.161, "text": "And I, and I can make my way through that area either way.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 1907.241, "end": 1908.445, "text": "And, you know, I make a judgment.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 1908.99, "end": 1914.14, "text": "What is motivating the bollards change in this plan to, to actually stop that throughway?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 1914.22, "end": 1918.536, "text": "What it— obviously we're doing pedestrian and bike is still access, but there is a car aspect here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 1918.616, "end": 1920.621, "text": "What's motivating that change in this plan now?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 1921.102, "end": 1923.942, "text": "My understanding of the change is twofold.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 1924.151, "end": 1929.493, "text": "One, to sort of bring more organization to the pickup and drop-off activities for the elementary school.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 1929.79, "end": 1929.918, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 1930.385, "end": 1936.665, "text": "And 2, to provide more of a protected crossing for pedestrians who are crossing that drive aisle.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 1937.148, "end": 1937.309, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 1937.487, "end": 1951.309, "text": "So there, there will, there will be a raised crosswalk built that will give a specific location for especially elementary school children who are arriving on foot to cross that drive aisle in a way where they don't have to conflict with a vehicle.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 1952.058, "end": 1952.368, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 1954.65, "end": 1959.453, "text": "And that is aligned roughly, you know, closer to the doors of the elementary school.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 1959.95, "end": 1960.191, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 1961.137, "end": 1967.25, "text": "Anybody who's driven those speed bumps knows that it's damn near the same as going to a chiropractor that's in that area.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 1967.314, "end": 1970.09, "text": "But I— this is clarifying.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 1970.507, "end": 1977.823, "text": "I think I have an idea now what we're talking about in terms of the question here with the— and that's appeal number 1, is that correct?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 1978.465, "end": 1979.299, "text": "That's appeal number 1.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 1979.427, "end": 1980.887, "text": "Appeal number 2 is the sidewalk corner?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 1981.846, "end": 1982.103, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 1982.265, "end": 1982.426, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 1982.506, "end": 1984.102, "text": "This is appeal number 1 for the—.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 1985.552, "end": 1987.68, "text": "Okay, that's all my questions for now, Council President.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 1987.744, "end": 1988.115, "text": "Thanks, guys.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 1988.389, "end": 1989.275, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 1989.582, "end": 1990.371, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 1990.5, "end": 1992.225, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 1992.741, "end": 2010.866, "text": "I have a question about how there, I believe, are quite a few longstanding intergovernmental agreements, IGAs, around Portland Public Schools parks, them maintaining ownership, but the City of Portland operating and maintaining, like Sunnyside Environmental School is an example.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2013.332, "end": 2015.769, "text": "That's likely what happens with the Ida B.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2015.817, "end": 2016.33, "text": "Wells Pool.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2016.538, "end": 2018.398, "text": "We run the programming, Parks and Rec, there.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2019.263, "end": 2022.87, "text": "Is some of that park area also maintained by the city?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2024.2, "end": 2032.664, "text": "No, there's— for example, Grant High School is contiguous with Grant Park, and there's a lot of sharing of facilities there, but that's not the case here.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2032.728, "end": 2037.985, "text": "None of this property is a park or owned by the Parks Department of the city.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2038.242, "end": 2041.179, "text": "There is an agreement for the city to operate the swimming pool in the summer.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2041.614, "end": 2042.338, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2043.707, "end": 2044.608, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2044.93, "end": 2045.655, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2045.735, "end": 2047.925, "text": "Thank you, um, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2048.134, "end": 2051.95, "text": "Um, so I'm just going to continue to probe about the, the driveway.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2052.095, "end": 2053.045, "text": "Glad you still have it up.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2053.463, "end": 2055.09, "text": "I— it's been helpful to hear you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2055.218, "end": 2062.414, "text": "I didn't know exactly where the bollards were being placed and why they were, but they're going— they can come down, they're removable, right?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2065.085, "end": 2066.622, "text": "I don't know the specific answer to that.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2066.703, "end": 2068.209, "text": "I believe they will be removable.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2069.399, "end": 2071.836, "text": "So what, what happens to the farmers market?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2072.268, "end": 2081.197, "text": "We, you know, we know that in the interim while construction is going on, the farmers market is moving to the south part of the driveway, and we got that deal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2082.287, "end": 2084.099, "text": "But what happens after construction?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2084.195, "end": 2085.333, "text": "And then there's these bollards.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2085.397, "end": 2086.952, "text": "Are they removed for the farmers market?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2087.016, "end": 2089.581, "text": "Does the farmers market go back to the entire driveway?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2090.126, "end": 2097.067, "text": "I asked the applicant that question, and the, you know, the farmers market would go to the south side of the driveway during construction.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2097.115, "end": 2098.382, "text": "There'd be no bollards at that point.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2098.478, "end": 2105.631, "text": "When construction is near complete, they'll put in the and the farmers market would be entirely to the north side of the bollards, so they wouldn't interrupt the farmers market.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2106.244, "end": 2107.693, "text": "Oh, okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2109.482, "end": 2109.723, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2110.512, "end": 2118.288, "text": "Um, and what you're saying about the— the school district wants either/or?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2118.723, "end": 2123.513, "text": "Either you're on the street or you're on the sidewalk for a bike or a pedestrian, or they only want on the sidewalk?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2125.184, "end": 2128.389, "text": "The hearings officer's condition of approval gives them the choice.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2129.092, "end": 2134.925, "text": "To designate bikes to use the driveway or the pathway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2135.727, "end": 2142.393, "text": "And my understanding is they would— they'll prefer to designate the pathway for bicyclists rather than the driveway.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2142.793, "end": 2146.687, "text": "Well, you know, I, I lived 2 blocks from there for almost 20 years.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2147.424, "end": 2148.979, "text": "I didn't ride my bike on that sidewalk.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2149.043, "end": 2149.732, "text": "That's ridiculous.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2150.1, "end": 2152.2, "text": "It's, uh, not well maintained.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2152.248, "end": 2153.065, "text": "It's very narrow.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2153.129, "end": 2158.123, "text": "And if there's pedestrians, you don't want interact with them, you definitely need to be on the driveway.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2158.724, "end": 2161.905, "text": "So I'm— I understand the appeal here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2164.459, "end": 2169.49, "text": "Um, I guess I'll leave it at that, that, um, for now.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2169.732, "end": 2170.135, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2170.521, "end": 2171.568, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2172.776, "end": 2173.968, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2174.87, "end": 2181.084, "text": "If these are already in the exhibits, um, or appendix, I, I don't know, and I'm asking for some additional information.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2181.214, "end": 2186.442, "text": "I'd like to receive the public access standards for each high school in Portland Public Schools?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2187.507, "end": 2192.535, "text": "So far in listening, I heard different variations, so I would like to know what the standards are.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2195.146, "end": 2199.131, "text": "I want to see if you have anything to add to this too, but I don't know that there are standards like that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 2199.179, "end": 2207.396, "text": "I looked at— this is the last public high school in PPS to go through land use review to be expanded or rebuilt, and I looked at all the previous land use decisions.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 2207.494, "end": 2220.268, "text": "There were a couple that had requirements in them for areas where people could move through the campus at certain times, which, you know, when school is not in session, basically, including Jefferson that was approved earlier this year.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 2220.332, "end": 2224.394, "text": "There'd be an area where people can cut through the campus when school is not in session.", "speaker": "Andy 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that have gone through review.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2250.117, "end": 2251.016, "text": "Where it is today?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2252.028, "end": 2254.372, "text": "Well, with the hearings officer's decision that's under appeal, yeah.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2254.452, "end": 2254.934, "text": "Not today.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2255.014, "end": 2256.25, "text": "There's no public access right now.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2256.299, "end": 2259.06, "text": "I appreciate your, your answering this question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2260.175, "end": 2262.229, "text": "I'm a little puzzled that they don't have that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2264.52, "end": 2268.613, "text": "Lincoln High School has decisions made on public access.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2269.29, "end": 2271.096, "text": "You're making it clear that Jefferson does.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2271.224, "end": 2274.617, "text": "I know a little bit of thing about the Grant High School access.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2275.9, "end": 2282.499, "text": "So I just think that it's interesting to me that PPS isn't providing that type of standard, if you will.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2282.951, "end": 2288.662, "text": "And if we could at least see some examples of schools, and the school that closest to I.W.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2288.726, "end": 2289.576, "text": "Wells is Lincoln.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2290.024, "end": 2293.358, "text": "So I still think I'd like to get some more information in regards to that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2293.854, "end": 2294.079, "text": "Fair.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2294.175, "end": 2298.87, "text": "And when, when the applicant speaks, maybe they can— maybe they'll have information for you about what their policy is.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2299.046, "end": 2299.303, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2299.447, "end": 2311.433, "text": "I think an issue with the zoning code appeal is this isn't something that's regulated in the zoning code, and it's been something that has come up in land use reviews when there's some discretion, but there's not a standard in the zoning code.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2312.107, "end": 2313.311, "text": "For any kind of property to—.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2313.311, "end": 2315.382, "text": "And I'm trying to translate it to your average human being.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2315.815, "end": 2317.115, "text": "So, okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2317.564, "end": 2324.049, "text": "Um, in terms of public access to our public school properties, this topic has a lot of tension.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2324.643, "end": 2325.172, "text": "You know that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2325.83, "end": 2328.784, "text": "Um, schools want to maintain the properties.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2329.281, "end": 2334.562, "text": "They want to make sure that they're good stewards after the construction and like to keep things neat and tidy.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2335.477, "end": 2340.099, "text": "The public has past experiences of maybe accessing it differently prior to that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2340.228, "end": 2342.124, "text": "So this is a real tension everywhere.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2342.606, "end": 2352.439, "text": "And I don't know if this is fair, but a lot of Portlanders receive a tax bill that says they're paying the PPS bond tax.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2353.129, "end": 2358.014, "text": "And it's been passed heavily in big margins.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2358.753, "end": 2366.24, "text": "And I think that I'd like to know what the tax responsibility is of the neighborhood to the PPS bond.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2366.32, "end": 2366.529, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2366.738, "end": 2367.508, "text": "Is that a fair question?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2367.605, "end": 2369.98, "text": "It's a fair question.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2370.156, "end": 2370.509, "text": "I think—.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2370.654, "end": 2371.504, "text": "I think it's a great question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2371.601, "end": 2375.164, "text": "I bet the lawyer— some lawyers don't like that question, but we'll see.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2375.292, "end": 2376.528, "text": "Yeah, I don't know the answer.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2376.736, "end": 2386.27, "text": "I think I would just emphasize again that the question before you in this appeal is not so much about what's— what kind of access is fair or appropriate even.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2386.382, "end": 2390.651, "text": "It's really about, do you find that the zoning code as a certain— Is that what's in the zoning code?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2390.715, "end": 2392.705, "text": "Criteria give us the power to regulate that?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2393.924, "end": 2394.586, "text": "I understand.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2394.748, "end": 2402.614, "text": "There's, you know, call me nuanced, but there's moments where sometimes the zoning code and the reality of the experience don't always line up very well.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2402.662, "end": 2404.996, "text": "So I'm trying to noodle with that with you right now.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 2405.077, "end": 2406.767, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 2407.17, "end": 2417.508, "text": "So I'm hearing that getting information about the tax responsibility to the PPS bond of the good— of the neighbors near that high school isn't relevant to this topic.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 2419.279, "end": 2422.681, "text": "I don't think it's relevant to the legal question you have to answer.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 2423.532, "end": 2427.384, "text": "If you want that information, we could— I'm sure we could try to get that for you.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 2428.347, "end": 2431.653, "text": "I think it would be helpful just to my, um— I think it'll still be helpful to me.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 2431.91, "end": 2432.231, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2432.52, "end": 2435.634, "text": "And if I'm told that I can't receive it legally, I'll cross that bridge.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2436.147, "end": 2436.837, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2437.19, "end": 2437.351, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2437.977, "end": 2438.635, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 2438.779, "end": 2439.405, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 2440.304, "end": 2441.412, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 2441.749, "end": 2443.803, "text": "Um, thank you for the presentation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 2445.12, "end": 2462.445, "text": "It stood out to me that once or twice you mentioned that none of the other high schools guaranteed access, and I'm looking specifically at appeal request 3, that none of the other high schools in their projects guaranteed access to facilities.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 2463.456, "end": 2467.133, "text": "I think there's 2 questions for me around that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 2467.278, "end": 2472.801, "text": "There is the question of why we didn't and the question of whether we could have.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 2473.315, "end": 2487.782, "text": "And so on that first question, why we didn't require that, I'm wondering if there were appeals to request that access with any of the other high schools, or if that question has in fact not yet been asked.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 2488.633, "end": 2502.342, "text": "And on the point of the second question, can we require that, this is the first time that So I don't know, honestly, if it's ever been asked before in any of the other reviews.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 2502.519, "end": 2504.717, "text": "I know that none of the other reviews were appealed.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 2505.408, "end": 2514.861, "text": "But it's not legally relevant as to whether or not we could require that if it wasn't appealed before, right?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 2516.016, "end": 2529.529, "text": "If we haven't been asked the question, then I, I think the question of equity between communities while an important, um, philosophical topic, doesn't help us make this decision.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 2529.577, "end": 2534.343, "text": "The decision before us has to be, this was requested, can we grant it or not?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 2534.777, "end": 2535.114, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 2535.595, "end": 2535.9, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 2536.157, "end": 2537.874, "text": "And I think that you can.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 2538.403, "end": 2544.951, "text": "I think there— you could interpret the approval criteria in that way, in the way that the appellant is requesting.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 2545.93, "end": 2552.707, "text": "The fact that it wasn't done before this would be a new precedent if this appeal were upheld.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 2552.998, "end": 2560.887, "text": "It'd be probably a long time before there's another land use review for a major rebuild of a Portland public high school, so we wouldn't have an opportunity to apply that precedent.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 2562.2, "end": 2596.07, "text": "I think that a finding that we're doing this here is also a finding that we maybe should have done that in other schools, but I think this is a little bit of It's somewhat aggressive or creative interpretation of the zoning code that to say that it's intended— the language that's there that's being pointed to is intended to require the school district or any property owner, even a public property owner, to, to allow that kind of access and make that a matter for zoning rather than for, for other, other types of government decisions.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 2596.519, "end": 2617.881, "text": "So specifically on appeal request 3, what I think I'm hearing is we could interpret our current, um, our current land use code to allow for this appeal to move forward, but we would be expanding that interpretation, and we would want to think about how else that could then be applied in the future in other cases.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 2618.731, "end": 2619.678, "text": "I think that's a fair statement.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 2619.902, "end": 2625.066, "text": "Yeah, I mean, but you certainly, you could make the finding that the appellant is asking you to, to find.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 2625.515, "end": 2632.844, "text": "That would be— it could be subject to further appeal, and then that would be tested at another level, but there's you could certainly look at this differently than it's been looked at before.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 2633.085, "end": 2633.999, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 2634.914, "end": 2635.876, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 2636.116, "end": 2636.758, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 2637.56, "end": 2638.362, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 2638.587, "end": 2644.666, "text": "Um, forgive me for not having this at my fingertips, but what is the language that you think could be interpreted to support this?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 2645.323, "end": 2647.633, "text": "Can you like quote the language that the appellants are quoting?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 2648.13, "end": 2648.467, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 2648.563, "end": 2655.22, "text": "So there is an approval criterion in the conditional use review that says the project rebuilding the Ida B.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 2655.268, "end": 2666.536, "text": "Wells High School, resurfacing the field, uh, having new lights and PA systems, that it has to be consistent with the neighborhood plan and the community plan that apply to the site.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 2666.889, "end": 2671.055, "text": "This is the Hillsdale Town Center Plan and the Southwest Community Plan.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 2671.472, "end": 2681.953, "text": "There are policies in those plans that talk about the value of public facilities, public facilities serving multiple purposes, the value of open space.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 2682.786, "end": 2683.779, "text": "So we've not— I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 2684.775, "end": 2698.02, "text": "To my knowledge, ever for any kind of land use review interpreted those to require any property owner to allow neighbors to enter their property for recreational use as a condition of improving their property, which is what— this is how they're asking you to interpret this today.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 2698.501, "end": 2704.056, "text": "But that's what they're— that's, if that answers your question, that's what they're pointing to, and that's what— that's how you could interpret this to support this appeal.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 2704.281, "end": 2707.187, "text": "So the value of— what was the phrase you used?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 2707.556, "end": 2715.598, "text": "Oh, I don't have the language in front of me, but the, the policies were values of open space, community facilities, community facilities serving multiple purposes.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 2717.65, "end": 2718.551, "text": "So it doesn't say what they—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 2718.567, "end": 2722.77, "text": "The language doesn't say what that implies, just talks about those being valuable, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 2722.851, "end": 2730.254, "text": "There's no policy that says public schools must have open areas for the neighbors at certain times a day.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 2730.658, "end": 2732.129, "text": "There's nothing to point to that says that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 2732.178, "end": 2734.004, "text": "It would be an interpretation to require that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 2734.441, "end": 2734.764, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 2736.218, "end": 2736.974, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 2738.31, "end": 2742.045, "text": "That has exhausted the queue of technical and clarifying questions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 2742.11, "end": 2743.736, "text": "We are now going to move— thank you, staff.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 2743.784, "end": 2744.106, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 2744.846, "end": 2748.315, "text": "We're now going to move to the presentation from the appellant, who will have 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 2753.152, "end": 2753.79, "text": "Welcome, folks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 2754.035, "end": 2755.343, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 2768.983, "end": 2769.675, "text": "Hello, councilors.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 2770.898, "end": 2777.46, "text": "I'm Valerie Friedman, and this is Don Bach and Keith Lydon, and we're here on behalf of the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 2778.301, "end": 2786.429, "text": "We've all lived in the area for a long time, and Don and I have children and grandchildren who graduated from Wells, or Wilson as it was then.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 2787.336, "end": 2800.711, "text": "And we're all very invested in the community and in the public schools, but we're here today to ask you to preserve what we already have on the Wells campus— safe bike and pedestrian routes and public access to school grounds after hours.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 2801.529, "end": 2804.705, "text": "You can do that by adding conditions to the hearings officer's decision.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 2805.475, "end": 2812.483, "text": "We appreciate the thoughtful work that has gone into the planning of the new high school and want to emphasize our support for the modernization project.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 2812.531, "end": 2812.627, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 2813.317, "end": 2815.515, "text": "But there are elements that still need to be addressed.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 2816.382, "end": 2822.286, "text": "This is a once-in-a-generation investment that will shape both the student experience and the surrounding neighborhood for decades.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 2822.96, "end": 2826.763, "text": "We're here taking our time and taking your time because we want to get it right.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 2828.095, "end": 2832.732, "text": "We believe that in order to comply with the conditional use approval criteria— I'm sorry, I forgot.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 2832.812, "end": 2833.647, "text": "Oh yeah, we've got our slide.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 2834.754, "end": 2842.695, "text": "In order to comply with the conditional use approval criteria, the decision must preserve 3 important elements that the school campus provides today.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 2843.496, "end": 2847.135, "text": "The first one is safety of bicycles and pedestrians on the Ricci driveway.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 2847.969, "end": 2856.064, "text": "The second is a safe pedestrian path for students of all ages and other people as well on the northeast side of the campus on Burlingame Avenue.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 2856.625, "end": 2860.697, "text": "And the third is community access to outdoor school facilities during non-school hours.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 2861.771, "end": 2867.077, "text": "Our written appeal that we filed addresses these issues and the specific approval criteria in detail.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 2867.782, "end": 2887.483, "text": "That appeal is more than 20 pages long, but the highlights include plan, code, and design standards that are ignored, errors and omissions in the staff report and hearings officer's decision, including in some cases city street classifications, and conditional use approval criteria left unaddressed and overlooked.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 2888.06, "end": 2891.988, "text": "And now, if you want to advance to the next slide, and we'll give a brief overview of each issue.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 2892.068, "end": 2892.597, "text": "And next up is Keith.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 2892.821, "end": 2893.975, "text": "Thank you, Deputy City Administrator Nancy Thorington.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 2895.115, "end": 2896.672, "text": "Good afternoon, I'm Keith Lydon.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 2897.843, "end": 2905.964, "text": "To clarify, references in the record to Ricci Road refer to the driveway that we've been talking about, plus the 2 walkways on either side.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 2906.365, "end": 2909.318, "text": "It provides a connection between Vermont Street and Capitol Highway.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 2910.265, "end": 2928.184, "text": "For context regarding Ricci Road and Burlingame Avenue issues, the recent Metro Safe Routes to Schools report gave the Wells-Ricci campus the worst walkability score possible because over 70% of the streets within the 1-mile walk shed do not have sidewalks.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 2929.309, "end": 2942.595, "text": "The PPS Safe Routes to School webpage states, our mission is to serve a diverse community of parents, students, and organizations through advocating for and promoting the use of active and shared transportation to and from schools throughout the Portland area.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 2943.206, "end": 2946.692, "text": "To accomplish our mission, we use the 6 E's of Safe Routes to School.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 2946.74, "end": 2947.045, "text": "What are the 6 E's?", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 2947.543, "end": 2953.536, "text": "2 Of these E's— engagement— are to work with students and communities and then collaborate on solutions.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 2954.292, "end": 2960.344, "text": "And then another one is engineering to create physical improvements to streets and neighborhoods to make walking and rolling safer.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 2962.09, "end": 2969.357, "text": "The existing Rickey Driveway and adjacent sidewalks provide a critical connection between Vermont Capitol Highway and Hillsdale Town Center.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 2969.937, "end": 2985.752, "text": "It's the only north-central, north-south route between a connection along a property frontage that's over 2,000 feet in distance, which explains why the city's transportation system plan designates this route as a neighborhood walkway and city bikeway.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 2986.714, "end": 2996.605, "text": "It's also located within the Hillsdale Pedestrian District, and as we describe in our written appeal, there are planned policies related to those designations.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 2998.063, "end": 3006.58, "text": "With pedestrian access on the sidewalk and bicycles, e-bikes, and e-scooters sharing the driveway, it functions much like neighborhood greenway that we have throughout the city.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3007.609, "end": 3016.933, "text": "The proposal to have the east sidewalk as the only connection for all modes violates the city requirements for multi-use paths and for neighborhood greenways, making the conditions less safe.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3017.919, "end": 3025.412, "text": "Um, we're asking for the same treatment on Ricci Road as what is proposed for the driveways on the east and north sides.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3026.153, "end": 3034.059, "text": "Uh, we find it kind of peculiar that the school district and the city are fine with that requirement but somehow dig in their heels and can't require this one.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3034.637, "end": 3035.856, "text": "I'll turn it over to Don.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3036.289, "end": 3037.139, "text": "We need a new slide.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3037.605, "end": 3038.647, "text": "Another slide.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3038.712, "end": 3039.899, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3040.894, "end": 3041.455, "text": "I'm Don Bach.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3042.161, "end": 3056.648, "text": "Basically, I have been involved in Hillsdale actively for the last 30 years, and I've done a lot of work, and a lot of other, other organizations and other individuals in Hillsdale have done a lot of work in terms of maintaining these school properties.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3056.744, "end": 3067.04, "text": "Rieke I've spent 30 years working with the city and Metro to develop plans to provide safer pedestrian facilities.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3067.35, "end": 3068.35, "text": "To what end?", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3069.11, "end": 3082.2, "text": "Safe routes to school, the Hillsdale Town Center Plan, the Southwest Community Plan, pedestrian district, urban trail designations, all seem to be ignored when we look at the Burlingame connection.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3082.65, "end": 3084.53, "text": "What we have now is a walkable street that is not safe for pedestrians.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3084.53, "end": 3084.57, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3085.087, "end": 3087.123, "text": "This area, you'll notice on the right on the slide.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3087.908, "end": 3090.409, "text": "Right now it's a narrow, roughly 3 feet.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3090.457, "end": 3094.449, "text": "We're proposing to just move the curb 6 feet, no cost to the city.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3094.882, "end": 3098.008, "text": "They don't even have to take out the asphalt and re-landscape it.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3099.21, "end": 3100.428, "text": "That's where our existing is now.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3100.653, "end": 3108.412, "text": "What they're proposing is just put us out on the street and walk where the green route is, on the green line is on the sign, in the street.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3108.829, "end": 3110.143, "text": "You can see this is an uphill grade.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3110.191, "end": 3110.255, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3110.833, "end": 3113.689, "text": "Where this car can't see you until it's basically at the crest of the hill.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3115.005, "end": 3118.503, "text": "Safety is not in their mind when they're proposing this.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3118.599, "end": 3122.723, "text": "I, I can't imagine why they're not proposing something here or leaving what we have now.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3123.332, "end": 3124.696, "text": "Do not take away what we have.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3125.418, "end": 3134.548, "text": "We are asking PPS to maintain the Southwest community's access and safe passage routes that we have enjoyed, supported, and helped maintain for the past 65 years.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3135.126, "end": 3145.421, "text": "Forcing children to walk on the narrow Burlingame Avenue to the crest of the hill when an existing safe route or solution is staring everyone in the face.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3145.811, "end": 3146.525, "text": "This is ridiculous.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3147.78, "end": 3150.158, "text": "Where's the common sense in the PPS proposal?", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3151.193, "end": 3153.199, "text": "Can we have the, uh, slide 4, please?", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3153.975, "end": 3157.322, "text": "So this is the last issue, which is the public access issue.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3158.319, "end": 3164.639, "text": "We're asking City Council to add a condition to the decision so it complies with the adopted area plans as required by Portland City Code.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3165.397, "end": 3166.967, "text": "For the past 70 years, the Ida B.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3167.015, "end": 3171.102, "text": "Wells campus has been a critical piece of social infrastructure in the Hillsdale neighborhood.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3171.647, "end": 3176.022, "text": "Families play, neighbors gather, and community is built in the outdoor spaces on campus.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3176.696, "end": 3183.01, "text": "The track is especially important because people of all ages and abilities rely on it in our hilly area where sidewalks are limited.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3183.763, "end": 3187.546, "text": "PPS's gates and fencing plan would be a significant shift.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3188.091, "end": 3193.86, "text": "Not only that, but it's a very different treatment from the Grant High School campus, which is largely open access and unfenced.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3193.973, "end": 3194.357, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3194.662, "end": 3196.233, "text": "Including 2 student courtyards.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3197.146, "end": 3204.52, "text": "The Wells campus is one of the largest open spaces in the area, but after the rebuild, public access would be largely limited to the campus perimeter.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3205.306, "end": 3214.298, "text": "The plans show that the athletic facilities— and this includes the baseball and softball fields, tennis courts, track, and practice field— will be fenced and gated.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3214.779, "end": 3221.015, "text": "The courtyard beside the practice field is also not expected to be open to the public at any time, including during the summer.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3221.063, "end": 3221.207, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3221.978, "end": 3235.321, "text": "We've been told the gate to the track will be unlocked after school hours, but we'd like some assurances for the future when school administration changes or policies at PPS change and suddenly we find the gates locked.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3236.349, "end": 3249.226, "text": "And, and as an aside, I want to mention that we, the neighborhood association, has proposed a Good Neighborhood Agreement to Portland PPS that would at least start to address these issues or open communication on these issues, but we haven't had any response on that.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3249.274, "end": 3249.371, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3250.253, "end": 3257.758, "text": "The planned easements around and through the property are welcome, but they don't give access to the campus's outdoor spaces and recreational facilities.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3258.351, "end": 3260.66, "text": "On the left in this slide is a screenshot.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3260.757, "end": 3269.031, "text": "It's a Google Maps screenshot, so ignore all the Google stuff there, but it shows the amount of open space that's now accessible to the community, and most of it is unfenced.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3269.801, "end": 3276.055, "text": "The second slide shows that everything inside the black line will be fenced with access controlled by time lock gates.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3276.103, "end": 3276.215, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3276.328, "end": 3285, "text": "City Council has already weighed in by approving the Hillsdale Town Center Plan in 1997 and the Southwest Community Plan in 2000.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3285.546, "end": 3292.532, "text": "These area plans were developed following extensive public engagement and outreach by grassroots groups of local residents and city staff.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3293.094, "end": 3299.759, "text": "The hearings officer's approval sweeps away long-term objectives for our community developed through a legitimate legislative process.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3300.482, "end": 3303.019, "text": "Student safety during school hours is essential.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3303.372, "end": 3307.835, "text": "But there is room to better balance safety with meaningful shared access outside school hours.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3308.493, "end": 3312.956, "text": "Public investment should strengthen civic life, not reduce it.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3313.791, "end": 3321.609, "text": "We have one more slide if there's just another minute left, just to go over our requested conditions in our written appeal.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3321.995, "end": 3329.636, "text": "So the first one is to amend Condition D of the hearings officer decision to provide the same bicycle access that PPS proposes for the east and north driveways.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3329.7, "end": 3329.845, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3330.744, "end": 3348.856, "text": "A new condition of approval to maintain safe off-road pedestrian access on Burlingame Avenue, and another new condition to preserve reasonable community access after school hours while allowing, allowing PPS to retain control of the campus and to manage school security, maintenance, scheduling, and authorized uses.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3350.156, "end": 3350.558, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3350.799, "end": 3351.409, "text": "Thanks for listening.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3351.457, "end": 3352.709, "text": "We're happy to answer any questions.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3353.464, "end": 3354.154, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3356.515, "end": 3366.405, "text": "And with 22 seconds left, colleagues, if there are any technical or clarifying questions without getting further into the debate of the merit, let's go ahead and feel free to ask our folks here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3366.533, "end": 3368.54, "text": "Councilor— or Vice President Clark, followed by Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3369.102, "end": 3370.162, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3370.628, "end": 3372.394, "text": "Uh, welcome, good to see you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3372.795, "end": 3379.57, "text": "Um, on your number 3 on public access, you're not— you're not asking that they remove the fence, are you?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 3380.357, "end": 3380.855, "text": "No, we're not.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 3380.919, "end": 3381.529, "text": "Okay with the fence.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 3382.332, "end": 3395.347, "text": "I wouldn't say we're okay with it, but we understand that— I mean, our understanding is that that doesn't really fall under the purview of the permitting process, what a public— a private property owner does with fences on their properties.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 3396.774, "end": 3403.521, "text": "So while they're— while we don't love it, we're not asking for removal of the fence.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 3405.652, "end": 3406.073, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 3406.218, "end": 3406.962, "text": "I wish you had.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 3408.483, "end": 3410.425, "text": "I think the fence is offensive, but that's my opinion.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 3412.932, "end": 3416.747, "text": "So in terms of access, could you talk a little bit more about the access?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 3416.844, "end": 3423.753, "text": "You think there's going to be multiple gates, and do people— does the school district just open those gates at a certain hour?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3424.202, "end": 3425.388, "text": "Yes, there is.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3425.645, "end": 3446.661, "text": "And, um, I don't think I included that in our, in our presentation right here, but there is, uh, a rendering in the 1,000-plus pages of the application submitted to the city that shows where the gates will be and a schedule for the gates, a legend, offenses and gates legend.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3447.527, "end": 3453.378, "text": "Um, and sorry, I'm just racking my brain trying to figure out if I've submitted that in evidence somewhere, if I can point you to it.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 3454.099, "end": 3468.047, "text": "Um, and going through that list of gates, there's a gate to the track that says it will be unlocked after school hours, and our— which is great, but our issue there is what happens yes.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 3468.224, "end": 3471.314, "text": "Later when there's a new principal or new policies.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 3473.243, "end": 3481.766, "text": "There's the gate that controls access to the pathway that goes through campus, and that is scheduled to be unlocked after school hours.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 3482.722, "end": 3484.815, "text": "And that's about it.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 3485.298, "end": 3509.132, "text": "There are gates blocking access— the building— sorry, I do not have this to show you, but the So you can see the building and the track, and then in between there's a series of pathways, and then eventually that kind of goes around the building to lead to a courtyard and the practice field on the west side of the campus.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 3509.886, "end": 3518.954, "text": "And what that diagram and the fencing and gates legend shows is that those— that there are gates controlling access to that section.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 3519.051, "end": 3519.179, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 3519.614, "end": 3536.748, "text": "That will either not be unlocked or in some cases unlocked for school events, because I think there's an events entrance on that north side of the school building for after-hours athletic events and theater performance events.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 3538.215, "end": 3545.605, "text": "But there are no gates to the fenced practice field area, which is on the west and which fronts Vermont Street.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 3546.667, "end": 3552.54, "text": "And is roughly kind of equivalent to where— well, it's equivalent, I guess, to where the baseball field is now, I think.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 3552.765, "end": 3560.532, "text": "And it's kind of equivalent to the practice field area that sits to the west of the school building.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 3560.725, "end": 3564.063, "text": "And there are no gates to that except one from the courtyard.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 3564.24, "end": 3566.759, "text": "Are you asking that the gates be open on the weekend?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 3567.144, "end": 3567.465, "text": "We are.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 3568.91, "end": 3574.094, "text": "May I add, we've had an informal agreement with the school over the years.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 3574.848, "end": 3579.633, "text": "That agreement basically called for the track to be open at pretty much all hours, non-school hours.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 3580.613, "end": 3586.859, "text": "And basically that is in 90%, 95%, maybe more, a percent has been act— has been followed.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 3587.357, "end": 3592.848, "text": "But at times they have been locked without any notice to the neighborhood, and that's basically caused a lot of inconvenience.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 3592.912, "end": 3598.147, "text": "We have a lot of people that are older using that track because that's one of the few flat places we have in Hillsdale.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 3598.211, "end": 3598.307, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 3599.082, "end": 3601.854, "text": "And, you know, it's called Hillsdale because there's a lot of hills.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 3603.773, "end": 3614.291, "text": "And just a reminder to the public that the timer is still running because any additional moments above the 10-minute mark, including councilor questions, the applicant will also get to have that additional time.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 3614.372, "end": 3616.059, "text": "So that is why the timer is still going on there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 3617.007, "end": 3624.214, "text": "Okay, I just wanted to clarify that you're asking for the gates to be open after hours and on the weekends, not in the mornings.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 3626.478, "end": 3626.655, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 3627.039, "end": 3636.075, "text": "I mean, after school, outside of school hours, um, what— and it's, uh, interesting to talk about, you know, access at other campuses.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 3636.412, "end": 3642.548, "text": "I was at Grant High School recently, and, um, it looked to me to be fairly open.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 3642.981, "end": 3650.655, "text": "There are courtyards that are not gated and not fenced, and there's a sign, uh, on one end of the campus that says these are PPS properties.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 3650.752, "end": 3653.283, "text": "They're open from dawn to dusk to the public when not in use.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 3653.331, "end": 3653.507, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 3654.565, "end": 3657.006, "text": "When not outside of school hours, I think is what it says.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 3658.22, "end": 3658.46, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 3658.798, "end": 3659.939, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 3660.083, "end": 3661.224, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 3662.975, "end": 3664.212, "text": "Yeah, just briefly, thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 3664.26, "end": 3666.092, "text": "I want to clarify 2 things.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 3666.188, "end": 3679.295, "text": "So for the first piece in the application, there's a citation, I think it begins on page 3, but it sort of points to the transportation system plan and PBOT.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 3679.916, "end": 3682.946, "text": "Design guides, and I want to make sure I understand correctly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 3683.619, "end": 3690.929, "text": "The argument here is to say that driveway was actually envisioned to be part of the bicycling network.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 3691.009, "end": 3692.676, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 3693.413, "end": 3693.734, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 3693.798, "end": 3702.294, "text": "So the conditional use criteria steer you to the transportation system plan and talks about applicable policies and so forth.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 3702.951, "end": 3714.096, "text": "So if you go to Chapter 2, there are some policies that are and then in Chapter 3, we have what are called street classifications.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 3714.177, "end": 3718.748, "text": "And it's all the different street classifications in the city for arterials, collectors, and so forth.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 3719.277, "end": 3728.517, "text": "But there's also— it starts 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"speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 3761.595, "end": 3765.661, "text": "I might also add that the school district was on the technical advisory committee for the Hillsdale plan.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 3765.789, "end": 3775.643, "text": "So this is not a secret to the district that this has been considered as sort of a, you know, almost a public— well, it is public property.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 3776.016, "end": 3777.832, "text": "I disagree with the idea that it's private property.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 3777.897, "end": 3781.258, "text": "I think all of us in this room are stockholders in PPS.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 3781.852, "end": 3787.445, "text": "But it's pretty clear in there that it's designated as such.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 3787.704, "end": 3793.495, "text": "And the staff and the applicants so far have just dismissed that as, oh, well, We don't have to even worry about that stuff.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 3793.928, "end": 3794.136, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 3794.217, "end": 3794.81, "text": "I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 3795.211, "end": 3797.056, "text": "Just wanted to surface that up into the record here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 3797.633, "end": 3806.712, "text": "The other piece is for— I think it's the second requested amendment here, which speaks to the access to Southwest Burlingame.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 3807.722, "end": 3813.802, "text": "I think in the presentation sort of suggests we're asking for a fully built-out sidewalk, but I want to make sure I understand correctly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 3813.962, "end": 3818.662, "text": "Is the ask just at least give us a 6-foot-wide improved access lane?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 3818.726, "end": 3821.182, "text": "It doesn't have to be high-tech or costly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 3821.263, "end": 3823.062, "text": "Is, is that what I'm hearing from you, Mr. Bach?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 3824.234, "end": 3826.354, "text": "Yes, basically we have access now.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 3827.206, "end": 3830.852, "text": "Basically they're proposing to close that access and force us to walk in the street.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 3831.398, "end": 3840.794, "text": "We're asking for either continue the access on the school property, which would be wise to be dedicated, or build a sidewalk for 170 feet so we don't have to walk in the street.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 3841.34, "end": 3842.513, "text": "And this would be walking uphill.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 3843.204, "end": 3849.7, "text": "The crest of the hill is where they're crossing into okay, I just also want to make sure—.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 3849.7, "end": 3860.537, "text": "I think that's also why our proposed condition is more performance-oriented, not it's got to be exactly this way, but just so we have some way to walk that's not in the street, which is 16 feet wide, by the way.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 3860.842, "end": 3863.263, "text": "And we're sensitive to the cost of their investment.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 3863.311, "end": 3863.535, "text": "If it—.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 3863.792, "end": 3867.687, "text": "If the sidewalk is expensive, and we know it is, use what you've got, good guy.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 3867.896, "end": 3870.252, "text": "You know, we don't have to reinvent the wheel here, guys.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 3870.3, "end": 3871.883, "text": "Just do open your eyes.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 3872.792, "end": 3875.876, "text": "Yeah, we all need to be a little more cost-conscious in this context.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 3876.525, "end": 3877.515, "text": "That's all I have, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 3877.742, "end": 3878.34, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 3878.404, "end": 3878.935, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 3881.204, "end": 3881.509, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 3882.25, "end": 3886.158, "text": "I think I'm not understanding the dilemma in Appeal 1.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 3887.154, "end": 3895.4, "text": "Is it that— it sounds like that's a space, a corridor pathway that you all have used, the community has used.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 3896.245, "end": 3905.726, "text": "The change is going to mean that what, there's going to be more cars on there, and so you're concerned that that's going to limit access to the pedestrians?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 3905.79, "end": 3911.759, "text": "Maybe just help me understand, because from what I don't get is it seems like everybody can still use the path.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 3911.823, "end": 3912.673, "text": "So what am I missing?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 3913.764, "end": 3937.095, "text": "Okay, so one of the things that's been confusing through the whole course of this is that, in my opinion, the, the description of what's going to be allowed on this driveway has sort of changed over time as they've started from design review, submitted an application, submitted a memo after the application was filed and after the staff report was done that was sort of the final word on what access is going to be allowed.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 3937.961, "end": 3940.336, "text": "And now we're getting a slightly different description again.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 3940.93, "end": 3959.41, "text": "Kind of goes between no, being silent on whether bikes can use the driveway at all, or saying, well, yeah, we might, but we don't want to dedicate an easement, even though we're willing to dedicate an easement on the other 2 driveways that ironically are not designated in the TSP.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 3960.337, "end": 3962.564, "text": "And the staff and PPS seem to be fine with that.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 3963.16, "end": 3976.982, "text": "So the issue is this: if you have— if you require all of the pedestrians and cyclists to use a path that has a clear space of probably about 6 feet, when you have cars parked there, it's only about 6 feet wide.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 3977.03, "end": 3977.095, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 3978.004, "end": 3984.973, "text": "Any kind of normal standard you're supposed to use for a multi-use path is at least twice that amount for about 12 feet or so.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 3986.129, "end": 3987.574, "text": "So it's deficient.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 3987.654, "end": 3994.959, "text": "So what we're complaining about is we don't have any guarantee that cyclists can continue to use the driveway as they have.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 3996.051, "end": 4000.772, "text": "And if they are forced to use the path, that is a substandard facility.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4001.542, "end": 4001.655, "text": "So—.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4001.687, "end": 4005.235, "text": "So we're not looking for any physical improvement of any kind.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4005.283, "end": 4015.594, "text": "We're just looking for As far as this group is concerned, the access for cars not being able to go out all the way through, that's fine.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4016.579, "end": 4017.176, "text": "One other point.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4017.321, "end": 4022.807, "text": "During the planning process, they basically proposed that we have to dismount and walk our bikes through this area.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4023.436, "end": 4027.202, "text": "You know, it's been crazy in terms of the permutations they've gone through.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4028.782, "end": 4038.913, "text": "I'd also like to add that there is something in the record, the 1,000-plus page record, where the district was contemplating putting gates across the Reedy driveway in 2 places.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4039.414, "end": 4045.048, "text": "So our concern is, well, if we don't have an easement, then we don't have any assurance that this is going to be real.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4048.4, "end": 4065.866, "text": "Okay, um, and then as it relates to the fence To the space so that they'll keep the doors open.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4065.93, "end": 4069.491, "text": "Is that— can you just re-summarize what your ask is?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4069.539, "end": 4081.137, "text": "Yes, we're, we're asking for, um, the gates to be open outside of school hours so that the public can access the grounds of the campus.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4081.891, "end": 4086.768, "text": "And what you've heard from— you said somebody assured you who is somebody?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4086.88, "end": 4087.86, "text": "Is it the school?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4088.068, "end": 4092.822, "text": "Is it the district that you— that they— that you would have access, or that they would leave the gates open?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4092.967, "end": 4106.505, "text": "Well, we have traditionally had access to the track, and the gates and the fencing and gates legend says the access to the track— well, the gate will be unlocked after school hours.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4107.822, "end": 4128.92, "text": "We would like assurance that that will remain and not be subject to change under new school administration or okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4128.92, "end": 4130.02, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4130.02, "end": 4136.13, "text": "And colleagues, we do need to move forward, so Councilor Zimmerman will be the last technical clarifying question.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4137.22, "end": 4139.06, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4139.06, "end": 4145.806, "text": "The last response, Valerie, is that the city has been working with the Port Authority to make sure that we have the I think probably where I'm trying to grasp a little bit more.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4152.231, "end": 4160.395, "text": "So the aspect of the school district not being able to change its mind is something you brought up so that we can protect this access in the future.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4163.316, "end": 4171.244, "text": "Over the decades, I can imagine that the the problems that face the campus will change, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4171.325, "end": 4175.663, "text": "Sometimes I think just— I've been a coach at a high school.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4175.727, "end": 4178.057, "text": "I actually— it turns out I went to high school like the rest of us in this room.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4178.138, "end": 4183.023, "text": "And like, there were times when vandalism was a problem at a campus I was familiar with.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4183.36, "end": 4190.173, "text": "Other times it was that one corner became the place where not even kids who went to that school, but others would smoke, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4191.314, "end": 4195.975, "text": "Then it was that people would cut cookies in the parking lots.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4196.267, "end": 4205.448, "text": "And right now what I'm hearing a lot is the, whatever the hyped-up version of the e-bikes, the e-motos is a thing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4205.592, "end": 4211.158, "text": "So the reason I bring that up is that there's a changing of concerns that come with the decades.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4211.918, "end": 4242.451, "text": "And— What you're asking would prevent Or how would what you're asking enable the school district to still deal with maybe a problem that arises for a couple of summers, um, be it from a safety or a maintenance issue, um, without just saying our hands are tied because the city says we have this easement so we cannot do anything to close this campus to address this problem?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4242.516, "end": 4243.847, "text": "How do we square that peg?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4244.139, "end": 4256.321, "text": "Well, I think I think through— we have proposed a good neighbor agreement that we would like to be able to discuss with the school district.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4256.482, "end": 4271.57, "text": "I mean, what we presented was a draft, and we see that as a working document, and I see that as the, the way to work these issues out.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4271.67, "end": 4271.803, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4272.639, "end": 4286.082, "text": "And, you know, maybe, maybe one— we actually in our draft, we did say that this would be subject to ongoing communication and check-ins on each side to address issues that arise and conditions that change.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4287.146, "end": 4293.669, "text": "But I, I can only say that we would love the opportunity to talk about that and work it out with the district.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4295.431, "end": 4295.654, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4302.27, "end": 4303.491, "text": "Okay, I think that's it for my question.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4303.555, "end": 4304.856, "text": "Thank you, I appreciate the response.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4305.161, "end": 4305.868, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4305.964, "end": 4315.569, "text": "I'll note that we have, uh, 14 minutes and 51 seconds for, uh, in addition to the offering to the, uh, the applicant for their presentation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4316.549, "end": 4321.159, "text": "Uh, we're now going to move towards, uh, for testimony from the supporters of the appellant, who will receive 3 minutes each.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4321.287, "end": 4325.913, "text": "I will be unfortunately enforcing the ding of the bell, so we will get 3 minutes apiece.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4329.279, "end": 4334.343, "text": "First up, we have Linda Venti.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4336.09, "end": 4336.219, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4336.428, "end": 4336.703, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4336.767, "end": 4338.333, "text": "Make sure to introduce yourself for the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4338.382, "end": 4340.448, "text": "You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you got 3 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4340.722, "end": 4341.061, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4341.449, "end": 4342.304, "text": "I'm Linda Venti.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4342.675, "end": 4345.129, "text": "Thank you all for your hard work on behalf of Portland.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4345.59, "end": 4352.589, "text": "I'm a 25-year Hillsdale resident and longtime PPS loyalist, Wilson High School alum, and mother of 2 Ida B.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4352.654, "end": 4353.349, "text": "Wells graduates.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4354.037, "end": 4359.633, "text": "I've spent countless hours volunteering in and out of classrooms across the district and weekends cleaning campuses.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4360.226, "end": 4363.241, "text": "I chaired the foundation for many years at Rickey Gray and Wells.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4363.914, "end": 4366.528, "text": "I was the Southwest coordinator for the Stop the Repeal campaign.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4367.506, "end": 4369.815, "text": "I'm vested in Portland and its public schools.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4370.472, "end": 4390.291, "text": "The PPS bond website states that modernizing aging public— sorry, sorry, aging school buildings has improved water quality and provided security upgrades, new roofs, Asbestos and radon remediation, lead paint stabilization, new fire alarms and sprinklers, more accessibility, and seismic retrofits.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4390.869, "end": 4397.439, "text": "Wells-specific upgrades refer to common space, new turf athletic fields, tennis courts, and accessible walking paths.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4398.161, "end": 4406.899, "text": "These aesthetic and safety upgrades sound great, especially since the campus is in the middle of vibrant Hillsdale, open for all to use for over 70 years.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4407.573, "end": 4410.747, "text": "Adjacent to both the business district and residential areas.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4411.805, "end": 4414.834, "text": "But there's one missing word from this description: fence.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4415.732, "end": 4424.372, "text": "Voters were sold on modernization, upgrades, and transparency, but what we're getting is modernization, exclusion, and anything but transparency.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4424.949, "end": 4426.504, "text": "Community members feel deceived.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4426.969, "end": 4442.627, "text": "We voted to pay for a safe, modernized school to educate our collective students, not for a fence to exclude us from the grounds and buildings we've mowed, planted, weeded, maintained, cleaned, and shared for over 70 years, situated in the heart of our thriving community.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 4443.82, "end": 4451.805, "text": "Furthering the insult are the misleading signs planted all around the campus, purportedly giving public notice and offering opportunities for input.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 4452.689, "end": 4456.401, "text": "The signs show a beautiful open campus with nary a fence in sight.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 4457.253, "end": 4469.951, "text": "OR 199-050-0040 notice requirements states that public notice must include the agenda or list of the principal subjects anticipated to be considered at the meeting.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 4470.865, "end": 4477.087, "text": "These subjects shall be specific enough to permit members of the public to recognize the matters in which they are interested.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 4477.841, "end": 4490.687, "text": "Believe me when I say that Hillsdale and its neighbors are extremely interested in PPS's previously undisclosed and all but unknown plan to fence the entire Wells campus, especially without allowing after-school access.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 4490.751, "end": 4490.879, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4491.713, "end": 4494.006, "text": "Public notice was not adequately given.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4494.439, "end": 4508.341, "text": "In fact, community members, voters, feel misled and even deceived by the misrepresentative signs displayed for months, installed after the design team had already decided to fence the campus.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4508.774, "end": 4518.587, "text": "The hundreds of signatures, emails, postcards, and letters in support of the proposed Good Neighbor Agreement, all since recently learning about the fence, are proof of the importance of access to the public.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4518.635, "end": 4518.779, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4520, "end": 4530.099, "text": "After decades of participation in schools and pro-PPS activism, this voter is disappointed in the lack of transparency and dismayed by the outright misrepresentation.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 4530.212, "end": 4536.313, "text": "I ask that council consider PPS's lack of adequate public notice and its disregard for voters and residents.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 4536.393, "end": 4537.003, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 4537.501, "end": 4537.614, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4537.662, "end": 4538.641, "text": "Thanks a lot for being here today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4539.187, "end": 4539.444, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Linda Venti" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4540.151, "end": 4541.58, "text": "Next up, we have Thuy Nguyen.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4550.193, "end": 4550.402, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4550.661, "end": 4551.048, "text": "Hi, everyone.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 4551.145, "end": 4554.778, "text": "Thank you so much for your time, and I appreciate that we can be here and listen to each other.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 4555.279, "end": 4557.087, "text": "First of all, I just want to answer to Ryan—.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 4557.782, "end": 4558.605, "text": "Introduce yourself for the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 4559.268, "end": 4560.495, "text": "Say your name on the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 4560.802, "end": 4561.835, "text": "Oh, my name is Tuyen Nguyen.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 4562.174, "end": 4564.062, "text": "Yeah, sorry about that.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 4564.127, "end": 4564.659, "text": "Bad habit.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 4565.079, "end": 4574.305, "text": "I just— first of all, I want to answer Ryan's question about the tax dollar burden on the neighborhood, and I would like to ask you a counter-question.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 4574.962, "end": 4580.379, "text": "What is the tax dollar burden on American, non-American on this country?", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 4580.892, "end": 4585.026, "text": "What is the dollar burden of Portlanders on its city?", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 4585.122, "end": 4591.116, "text": "What is the tax dollar burden of Hillsdale residents to the institution that represented?", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 4592.126, "end": 4599.899, "text": "So I'm an immigrant mother of 2 young children, and I— our family moved to Portland 2 and a half years ago.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 4600.764, "end": 4604.546, "text": "And the one thing that made Hillsdale feel like home was the E.W.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 4604.61, "end": 4605.155, "text": "Wells campus.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 4605.203, "end": 4605.299, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 4605.717, "end": 4617.436, "text": "Outdoors, outside school hours, the tracks, the field, and the courts are places where our children can run and play without every activity becoming a paid class or registration or car trip.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 4617.934, "end": 4624.933, "text": "We see older adults walking, teenagers exercising, family meeting, and people from other neighborhoods using the same grounds.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 4625.383, "end": 4631.837, "text": "To me, that is what a healthy civic culture looks like— shared resources, freedom of use, and mutual responsibility.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 4631.901, "end": 4632.045, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 4633.403, "end": 4636.249, "text": "That's why the proposed fencing concerned me.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 4636.783, "end": 4644.405, "text": "In the place where I grew up, institutional fences often signal that access depends on authority rather than ordinary public use.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 4645.128, "end": 4651.427, "text": "The urban space communicates value, and this image changes the relationship between the school and the community.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 4653.202, "end": 4661.534, "text": "If we look closely at the, at the plan, we can see layers and We can see at least 3 layers of fencing.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 4662.383, "end": 4676.345, "text": "And depending on the final fencing system, that can represent as much as 3,900 linear feet, roughly 0.74 miles, and around 3 laps around a standard running track.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 4676.906, "end": 4680.962, "text": "That is roughly 8 to 26 tons of steel depending on the final fence system.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 4682.196, "end": 4684.889, "text": "More important than the material itself is what it does.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 4684.97, "end": 4685.098, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 4685.403, "end": 4690.924, "text": "The public may still be able to pass through but not necessarily stay, play, exercise, or gather.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 4691.823, "end": 4694.15, "text": "And it has a social and economic cost.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 4694.615, "end": 4701.34, "text": "Hillsdale Park is only 5.17 acres and has no equivalent tracks, tennis courts, or athletic fields.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 4702.078, "end": 4713.971, "text": "And it, it really— if we have to replace the recreation add-on only 15 minutes each way twice a week, that becomes about 50 hours of family travel each year.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 4714.611, "end": 4719.655, "text": "Safety matters, but safety should be demonstrated, not assumed.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 4720.415, "end": 4726.629, "text": "Oregon law, as well as Portland policy, support public use while meeting student safety needs.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 4726.693, "end": 4730.874, "text": "And Jane Jacobs called ordinary public presence eyes on the street.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 4732.478, "end": 4743.388, "text": "I just want to conclude that I hope that PPC and the city can preserve a durable, no-reservation after-hours access when these outdoor facilities are not needed for the school activity.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 4743.839, "end": 4745.544, "text": "This is not a neighborhood privilege.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 4745.69, "end": 4746.031, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 4746.404, "end": 4747.119, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 4748.628, "end": 4751.015, "text": "Next up, we have Richard Stein online.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 4755.346, "end": 4755.863, "text": "Welcome, Richard.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 4756.896, "end": 4757.849, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 4759.948, "end": 4760.416, "text": "Good evening.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 4760.933, "end": 4762.919, "text": "My name is— good evening.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 4763.194, "end": 4764.534, "text": "My name is Richard Stein.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 4765.293, "end": 4769.09, "text": "I created the Hillsdale Food Park, and I'm on the board of the Portland Ballet.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 4770.5, "end": 4775.365, "text": "I helped collect over 250 signatures in support of this appeal.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 4776.713, "end": 4782.173, "text": "I'm phoning in from Amsterdam, where it is after midnight, but this is important.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 4782.959, "end": 4803.815, "text": "I'm here to ask the council to intervene and require the school to maintain a safe pedestrian route along Burlingame Avenue, to allow bicycles to pass easily through Rickey Road and to continue to allow public access to the school grounds during non-school use hours.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 4806.486, "end": 4809.786, "text": "Our requests to date have been largely ignored by PPS.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 4810.849, "end": 4826.462, "text": "It seems shameful that it has had to get to this point, but it's so important that the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association and the hundreds of people it directly represents has made the substantial effort of bringing this before you today.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 4827.872, "end": 4838.259, "text": "While current school administrators understand that the property is a key social and recreational hub for the community, future administrators may not understand this.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 4839.237, "end": 4841.626, "text": "This is why we want some assurances.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 4842.94, "end": 4848.999, "text": "In particular, I want to speak about fencing in the school grounds and the impact of locking these fences.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 4849.339, "end": 4850.705, "text": "During non-school hours.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 4852.186, "end": 4854.464, "text": "This fence is certainly controversial.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 4855.72, "end": 4856.942, "text": "I'm with you, Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 4857.827, "end": 4876.619, "text": "In wide-open Hillsdale, wrapping a publicly funded property with a tall fence seems weirdly incongruous, and as more than one person told me, it sends a bad message to the students: you're not safe in this world unless you're locked in.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 4878.982, "end": 4884.419, "text": "Portland's population is aging, and Hillsdale's residents are older than the rest of the city.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 4885.7, "end": 4889.22, "text": "In very flat Netherlands, seniors can walk everywhere.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 4890.007, "end": 4895.225, "text": "In contrast, 81% of Hillsdale streets do not have sidewalks.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 4896.119, "end": 4899.892, "text": "Most of the streets are very rough, and almost none are level.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 4900.867, "end": 4906.132, "text": "In fact, the school grounds are one of only 2 flat areas in all of Hillsdale.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 4907.127, "end": 4911.444, "text": "The other is the rooftop parking lot at Fred Meyer.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 4912.664, "end": 4917.463, "text": "I want to emphasize that many local seniors exercise on the school grounds.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 4918.683, "end": 4920.802, "text": "Locking it up would be devastating.", "speaker": "Richard Stein" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 4922.15, "end": 4928.891, "text": "The health, safety, and happiness of 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"Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 4982.921, "end": 4989.563, "text": "I rallied to not block it off to students even though it's— even though we're very crowded many days.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 4990.397, "end": 4999.188, "text": "But I did that because I want students to feel like they have— that they have access and that they— that what our neighborhood is their neighborhood too.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 4999.317, "end": 5006.969, "text": "So I'm also disabled and the flatness of the track, I use that often and it's really important.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5007.307, "end": 5008.383, "text": "To me, that's important.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5008.447, "end": 5026.839, "text": "I do also want to mention that leaving— having the campus open to the public also opens it to students after hours, because when you close it, you're going 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"end": 5127.332, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5127.83, "end": 5129.019, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5129.629, "end": 5130.946, "text": "And that completes testimony.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5131.315, "end": 5132.07, "text": "Okey-doke.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5132.167, "end": 5135.893, "text": "We are now going to be moving into a presentation from the applicant.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5136.021, "end": 5143.997, "text": "As I mentioned before, They are given 15 minutes, but they also have an additional almost 15 minutes based on our back and forth.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5144.062, "end": 5147.527, "text": "But that will also incorporate our technical and clarifying questions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5147.576, "end": 5153.922, "text": "So welcome, come on up and take your time, I suppose.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5154.57, "end": 5156.022, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5156.28, "end": 5156.894, "text": "Good afternoon.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5156.942, "end": 5158.088, "text": "My name is Christy White.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5158.136, "end": 5165.511, "text": "I'm a land use lawyer with Radler White Parks in Alexander, and I am representing the applicant, Portland Public Public Schools.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5166.024, "end": 5172.089, "text": "And with me is Hannah Bleem from our office who's going to help us run the PowerPoint presentation.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5173.228, "end": 5179.421, "text": "This appeal requests more public 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"None of these unrestricted easements will be fenced or gated.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5249.237, "end": 5253.597, "text": "The 4th easement that you see there in red is the Mid-Campus Connector.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5253.901, "end": 5258.438, "text": "It goes through the center of the campus, and of course it will be gated during school hours.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5259.031, "end": 5267.302, "text": "The public pool building will be remodeled and upgraded at significant cost, and public parking and access to the pool will be improved.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5267.366, "end": 5271.261, "text": "And you see that in the blue line around the pool building.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 5272.271, "end": 5281.241, "text": "The modernization retains, as Commissioner Clark mentioned, the onsite location for the public Hillsdale Farmers Market, also with enhanced parking.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 5281.803, "end": 5289.607, "text": "The modernization includes lighted athletic fields that will extend the opportunity for the public use through the Civic Use of Buildings program.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 5290.297, "end": 5300.894, "text": "All of the facilities across this campus, field, building, allow the public use of the school facilities outside of schooled hours through a reservation system.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5300.991, "end": 5301.087, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5302.035, "end": 5308.299, "text": "Public access to the school must be balanced with the primary purpose of this property, which is an elementary and high school.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5309.166, "end": 5312.845, "text": "Now to the request for more public use of PPS facilities.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5313.824, "end": 5323.317, "text": "I want to just be clear that there is no legal basis or code section that would allow the appellant to demand more dedication of PPS property for public use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5323.783, "end": 5326.706, "text": "I know that's not a popular statement, but it's the truth.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5326.754, "end": 5326.947, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5327.477, "end": 5335.082, "text": "And it is a— as a matter of law under our code, which applies equally to every school across the district and every property across the district.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5335.756, "end": 5340.345, "text": "There's no public open space requirement under the applicable conditional use criteria.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5341.131, "end": 5365.891, "text": "The general community plans were turned to, but again, as you heard from staff, none of those plans say it, and none of those plans have ever been interpreted to say that the school district has an obligation to dedicate public open space or the use of public under 700-070A, literal readings of the code language will be used, and regulations cannot be interpreted more strict than they're stated.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5366.388, "end": 5381.731, "text": "Because there's no community plan policy and no code standard that would require additional public open space dedicated to public use that's non-school use, you can't create that standard through an interpretation without violating 700-070A.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5381.795, "end": 5381.939, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5382.02, "end": 5382.036, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5382.774, "end": 5394.617, "text": "Importantly here, this is a school district, and under Oregon's General Condemnation Procedure Act, the city and PPS have co-equal authority to acquire and use land for a public purpose.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5395.451, "end": 5410.312, "text": "Under the prior public use doctrine, a property that is already operating as a public use, like a school use, cannot be converted by the city for another public use unless the legislature has explicitly stated so.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5410.761, "end": 5421.851, "text": "And here, Oregon state law does not contain any explicit authority granting the city superseding power over PPS to open its property for non-school open space use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5422.558, "end": 5423.697, "text": "Here comes the better part.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5424.002, "end": 5428.929, "text": "I just wanted to lay down the law because that is the law and it applies equally across the district.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5429.7, "end": 5431.979, "text": "PPS acknowledges the appeal.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5432.589, "end": 5434.707, "text": "They acknowledge the concerns of the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5434.82, "end": 5434.916, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5435.316, "end": 5461.739, "text": "And we're in this forum so we can be very clear how we're responding to that acknowledgment and how responding to that acknowledgment through a condition of approval that gets imposed on the land use decision that runs with the land and therefore is in the city's very clear enforcement authority is the right place to do that, not in a good neighbor agreement that has not this level of clarity, no code basis, and no enforcement authority.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5462.077, "end": 5462.671, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5463.683, "end": 5475.394, "text": "So what I'm going to do here is turn to a condition of approval that we can agree to that is, I would argue, completely responsive to the request for additional use of open space.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5476.132, "end": 5480.389, "text": "This is not a condition that other schools' campuses have enjoyed.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5480.502, "end": 5483.265, "text": "I'll read it out loud so everyone can hear it.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5483.458, "end": 5488.855, "text": "PPS shall allow public access to the track facility and the tennis courts on the I.W.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5488.903, "end": 5506.475, "text": "Wells campus and the softball field and multi-use field on the Reekie campus outside of school hours from 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM and from 5:00 PM to 9:00 PM on weekdays and from 6:00 AM to 9:00 PM on weekends and other days when school is not in session.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5507.069, "end": 5513.141, "text": "Gates will be unlocked for public entry and exit during these allowed use hours.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5513.799, "end": 5518.056, "text": "The neighborhood use under this condition is subject to and superseded by Aye.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5518.377, "end": 5525.984, "text": "Conflicting school uses, of course, and uses that have been scheduled for these facilities under the PPS Civic Use of Buildings program.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5526.578, "end": 5538.679, "text": "The rest of this condition talks about PPS reserving the right to secure the entire campus and these fields for vandalism, emergency, a safety incident, for the term of that incident.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 5539.032, "end": 5554.348, "text": "So if we're having repeated vandalism like this campus has suffered with stolen, uh, Baseball equipment and donuts on the track, we're able to control the campus, reboot, and see what has been going on and figure out ways to preclude that use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 5554.589, "end": 5561.06, "text": "And of course, we're gonna retain the right to exclude a member of the public who isn't behaving according to PPS rules and policies.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 5562.2, "end": 5576.7, "text": "With this condition, it is a complete response to the appellant's request, and PPS asks the council to affirmatively adopt this condition of approval in its decision today as an amendment to the hearings officer's decision.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 5577.869, "end": 5584.615, "text": "Second, appellant is asking for this 5th public easement for bike access in Rickey parking lot and driveway.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 5585.063, "end": 5589.662, "text": "And I think there's one thing I can agree with Keith Leiden on, which is it has been confusing.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 5590.03, "end": 5591.681, "text": "It has emerged and evolved.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5592.193, "end": 5596.311, "text": "This is not the first application on this— in this process.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5596.439, "end": 5597.449, "text": "It went through the Design Commission.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5597.561, "end": 5597.801, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5598.443, "end": 5609.3, "text": "The Design Commission actually made significant changes to our application with regards to Reekie Driveway, and we responded to those as we filed our conditional use application.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5609.604, "end": 5617.415, "text": "So the process actually worked the way it's supposed to, iteratively and responsively to feedback that we got from the Design Commission.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5618.152, "end": 5623.829, "text": "First, this driveway, which is shown here, Reekie Driveway, it is entirely on private property.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5624.262, "end": 5625.737, "text": "It is not a public street.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5626.346, "end": 5627.468, "text": "It is a parking lot.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5628.029, "end": 5634.297, "text": "It is a drive aisle in the school parking lot between 2 rows of head-in parking for visitors and staff.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5635.002, "end": 5636.028, "text": "And if you can— yeah, perfect.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5636.108, "end": 5636.413, "text": "This one.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 5636.686, "end": 5640.308, "text": "At its midpoint, as you've heard, the driveway will be terminated with bollards.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 5640.757, "end": 5650.568, "text": "This was proposed specifically by the Design Commission after they observed watching their grandkids, I think they said, playing on one of the fields and watching people try right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 5650.616, "end": 5651.515, "text": "Across this driveway.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 5652.174, "end": 5662.648, "text": "It was requested by them to protect elementary school students from intersecting with cars or fast bikes as the elementary students walk across Ricci Drive to and from school.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 5663.804, "end": 5685.391, "text": "Both city staff in the next slide and the hearings officer concluded that the alternative bike paths located on the east side of the driveway and along the eastern edge of campus that you see in blue will provide safer and equivalent bike access nobody's mentioned this rule, but I will here because it's pivotal in how you talk about Reekie Drive.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 5686.033, "end": 5690.352, "text": "Appellant's request is based on the city's rules governing major public trails.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 5690.866, "end": 5698.139, "text": "This is actually a trail designation right where we've put the easement along the sidewalk on the east side of Reekie Drive.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 5699.36, "end": 5703.647, "text": "The trail designation is mapped just there along that east side of the Reekie driveway.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 5703.711, "end": 5703.855, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 5704.417, "end": 5706.971, "text": "And that is where we have the Reiki Drive, the path.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 5707.566, "end": 5711.453, "text": "The school property has 3 zones: IRD, R-7, and OS.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 5712.224, "end": 5714.601, "text": "The mapped trail covers all 3 of those zones.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 5715.42, "end": 5724.238, "text": "The major public trail standards are not triggered in the R-7 zone unless we are applying for a planned development or a subdivision.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 5724.897, "end": 5727.194, "text": "Neither of those applications are requested here.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 5727.74, "end": 5732.205, "text": "So these trail rules that are being used as an example of why we need to widen the path, Right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 5732.847, "end": 5740.774, "text": "Or put it in the middle of the parking lot are not triggered because we're not asking for a planned development or a subdivision.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 5741.833, "end": 5746.15, "text": "In the OS and IRD zone, the trail also cuts across some of those.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 5746.968, "end": 5751.349, "text": "Those trail standards are only triggered by your adopted proportionality rule.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 5752.103, "end": 5758.843, "text": "That proportionality rule, which you see here, is a clear and objective formula that calibrates the trail requirements.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 5759.164, "end": 5767.679, "text": "In other words, Where this trail or easement will go in the drive aisle or a widened trail based on the new impacts created by the proposal.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 5768.064, "end": 5774.301, "text": "The city applies these factors to determine if an easement can be requested or trail widening can be required.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 5774.959, "end": 5775.825, "text": "There's 3 factors.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 5776.081, "end": 5783.297, "text": "One is percent of impact, and that is objectively defined in your code as the number of additional daily or ped trips.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 5783.778, "end": 5787.033, "text": "We don't have a single additional daily or ped trip.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 5787.081, "end": 5787.225, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 5787.883, "end": 5796.132, "text": "So when you then add that to the percentage of the easement length, and then in Factor 3, divide 1 by 2, you come up with 0.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 5796.453, "end": 5804.526, "text": "And anything under 0.33 in your adopted rule says you can't require widening and you can't require a new trail.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 5805.681, "end": 5808.843, "text": "This means that as a matter of law, where are we?", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 5808.907, "end": 5813.609, "text": "We can't be required to widen it and we can't be required to put a dedication through the parking lot.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 5814.444, "end": 5820.916, "text": "We'll get back to how we're dealing with that in terms of the widening at the end of the legal analysis.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 5821.333, "end": 5824.561, "text": "The transportation system plan, it leads to the same result.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 5824.962, "end": 5827.66, "text": "The TSP only applies to public streets.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 5828.014, "end": 5829.314, "text": "We don't have a public street.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 5829.378, "end": 5832.895, "text": "We have a parking lot for elementary school drop-off and pickup.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 5833.393, "end": 5840.748, "text": "And lastly, under 815.105, the city has a proportionality rule, and that proportionality rule says— I'm sorry, what is the proportionality rule?", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 5841.23, "end": 5841.278, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 5841.582, "end": 5849.124, "text": "Generally speaking, that you measure the mitigation that you're allowed to legally request based on the magnitude of your impact.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 5849.605, "end": 5864.655, "text": "City staff and this record demonstrates with no rebuttal evidence whatsoever that there is no new impact created, and therefore the proportionality rule doesn't allow widening and it doesn't allow the new easement.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 5865.233, "end": 5869.709, "text": "This doesn't mean, of course, that we're not providing ample public access, as you can see through the slides.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 5870.383, "end": 5873.96, "text": "We are providing— next slide— the ample public access.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 5875.034, "end": 5880.873, "text": "The complaint seems to be that the Reekie Path on the east side of the parking lot is constrained for bikes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 5881.691, "end": 5884.064, "text": "But if that's the complaint, consider the following.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 5884.898, "end": 5892.806, "text": "Bikes have an alternative route, first and foremost, around the entire perimeter of the campus in a wider swath.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 5893.223, "end": 5899.493, "text": "They can take that alternative route, and there they don't intersect with elementary students trying to cross Reiki parking lot.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 5900.214, "end": 5913.434, "text": "And if the argument is that it's too busy, they can take the eastern route or simply just not use this route during the arrival and departure times of elementary students, which is a very limited portion of the day.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 5913.979, "end": 5917.777, "text": "This is, after all, a school campus first and foremost.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 5918.466, "end": 5921.831, "text": "And I heard the argument that the Reiki pathway is too narrow.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 5921.927, "end": 5922.488, "text": "It is not.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 5923.113, "end": 5932.919, "text": "It actually ranges in width from 7 feet to 12 feet, and we'll put this measured scaled diagram into the record with most of the path over 8 feet.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 5933.304, "end": 5942.389, "text": "This slide shows the RECI path is wider than 2 paved bike routes, one in Gabriel Park, one in Sellwood Park, both of which allow bike access.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 5943.174, "end": 5949.359, "text": "So the RECI— in short, the major public trail rules do not require anything here.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 5950.032, "end": 5951.778, "text": "We are providing the RECI path.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 5951.89, "end": 5952.499, "text": "It's wide enough.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 5952.563, "end": 5952.675, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 5953.237, "end": 5956.433, "text": "And there's an alternative route to the east if someone feels constrained.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 5956.866, "end": 5960.19, "text": "As a matter of law, we're not required to grant anything more.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 5960.639, "end": 5977.82, "text": "And as a matter of design, we believe we've provided the kind of bike, ped, and vehicular access that both allows a permeable campus for the community and allows PPS to secure its campus and have the elementary school students operating safely within that driveway.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 5977.9, "end": 5978.045, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 5978.783, "end": 5981.866, "text": "I'm going to move then to the improvements along Burlingame.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 5982.235, "end": 5985.078, "text": "I think there's been quite a bit of misunderstanding about this.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 5985.206, "end": 5987.502, "text": "And again, these are line drawings.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 5987.695, "end": 5988.514, "text": "They're complicated.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 5988.722, "end": 5993.234, "text": "I have to look at them a long time too and then make a bunch of calls to the architect to try to figure them out.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 5993.78, "end": 6003.719, "text": "But basically what's happening here is there's a spur— the only thing that's being closed is a spur trail off the existing walking path.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6004.329, "end": 6008.673, "text": "So the spur trail is right at the curve in the upper right corner here.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6009.266, "end": 6011.542, "text": "That little spur trail is being closed.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6012.472, "end": 6023.95, "text": "We are not removing the existing walking path that will go to a new improved single access point in a much safer location away from the curb.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6024.655, "end": 6029.111, "text": "And this will be a raised sidewalk, table sidewalk they call it, with—.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6029.111, "end": 6030.089, "text": "Pedestrian crossing.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6030.17, "end": 6034.505, "text": "With a much better and firmer entrance into the campus.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6035.003, "end": 6043.818, "text": "So also what's important to know about this is as part of this whole redevelopment, we're looking at like the existing condition in those photos.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6044.315, "end": 6046.917, "text": "In the redevelopment, this is being reorganized.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6047.302, "end": 6054.383, "text": "So the campus, the building will actually end up fronting Vermont, not back towards Burlingame where it is now.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6055.154, "end": 6065.406, "text": "And there will be a number of improvements, new crosswalks, ADA access ramps, and the like around and along the Vermont frontage.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6066.064, "end": 6081.065, "text": "Again, I'm sure you're probably tired of hearing the proportionality standard, but this is a required code standard, and the transportation staff evaluated whether or not we have any additional trips or additional impacts.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6081.113, "end": 6081.225, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6081.723, "end": 6082.606, "text": "We do not.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6082.911, "end": 6094.119, "text": "And because we don't have that, there can be no requirement that we improve a new street along the frontage of the campus because we don't have any impact to that street.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6094.713, "end": 6099.353, "text": "Are we maintaining safe passage there and not removing the existing path?", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6099.706, "end": 6100.14, "text": "We are.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6100.734, "end": 6106.225, "text": "We're only removing the little spur trail that is right on the curve and becomes a problem.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6106.274, "end": 6106.643, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6108.519, "end": 6110.989, "text": "With sight distance and safety.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6112.064, "end": 6121.124, "text": "So the Burlingame improvements may be desirable, the community may want them, but they can't be imposed on PPS as a matter of law.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6121.525, "end": 6137.938, "text": "We support and will collaborate with any city effort to improve the pedestrian environment on Burlingame, and PPS will make our proposed improvement of the crossing into the school grounds and merge our effort with any city efforts along Burlingame.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6139.078, "end": 6142.836, "text": "Finally, in this— maybe we can go to the final rendering.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6143.093, "end": 6149.211, "text": "PPS is providing the additional open space access that the appellant requests with the new condition of approval.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6149.613, "end": 6152.776, "text": "We've offered 4 new public easements as part of the application.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6153.226, "end": 6156.101, "text": "We're improving the public pool building with enhanced access.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6156.518, "end": 6159.826, "text": "We're preserving and maintaining the location for the farmers market.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6159.891, "end": 6160.035, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6160.372, "end": 6163.578, "text": "We're lighting the fields for extended use, including public use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6163.899, "end": 6169.237, "text": "We're going to continue the civic use of buildings program that permits scheduled public use in non-school hours.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6169.894, "end": 6175.024, "text": "And as the staff and hearings officer found, this more than satisfies the approval criteria.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 6175.297, "end": 6180.779, "text": "So we're requesting that the City Council deny the appeal and adopt the additional public access condition.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 6181.292, "end": 6185.669, "text": "Because I have some time, I would real quick like to address a good neighbor agreement and what that means.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 6185.717, "end": 6185.877, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 6186.583, "end": 6189.198, "text": "The adopted code is a good neighbor agreement.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 6189.455, "end": 6191.364, "text": "It applies equally across the city.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 6191.717, "end": 6194.075, "text": "It contains impact standards that must be met.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 6194.444, "end": 6195.776, "text": "We've met those standards.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 6196.193, "end": 6204.038, "text": "The approval and its condition— I think this is the important thing— this approval and all the conditions of approval, they run with the land.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 6204.311, "end": 6210.856, "text": "They're going to be recorded in the assessor's records, and the city has enforcement authority over those conditions.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 6211.033, "end": 6212.38, "text": "It will not matter Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 6212.492, "end": 6214.063, "text": "It will not matter what administration is in place.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 6214.72, "end": 6218.792, "text": "It will not matter if there's a new staff member who would choose to close the gate.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 6219.369, "end": 6230.332, "text": "These are enforceable conditions recorded against the land, and that's how the city structures land use enforcement— through the code and not through good neighbor agreements that are generally unenforceable.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 6231.23, "end": 6232.817, "text": "I also want to address the fences.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 6233.891, "end": 6235.109, "text": "Maybe you don't like the fences.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 6235.173, "end": 6237.129, "text": "Maybe you find fences atrocious.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 6237.722, "end": 6239.789, "text": "I understand that there's a myriad of opinions.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 6240.608, "end": 6242.214, "text": "The fences are not a conditional use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 6242.631, "end": 6249.825, "text": "The fences are a use permitted outright on this campus, and we could build the fence tomorrow without any objections.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 6250.178, "end": 6255.123, "text": "These fences are critical safety protocol for PPS.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 6255.637, "end": 6259.378, "text": "We cannot build a modernized campus without these fences.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 6259.635, "end": 6262.268, "text": "Every modernized campus has gotten these fences.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 6262.622, "end": 6265.335, "text": "Lincoln has them, Jefferson has them, Cleveland has them.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 6265.592, "end": 6275.024, "text": "And unfortunately, we have a terrible example today in Bend of an active shooter on an elementary school campus with people injured, and they couldn't exclude the person.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 6275.522, "end": 6277.511, "text": "We are not messing around with our fences.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 6277.864, "end": 6278.971, "text": "They're permitted outright.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 6279.227, "end": 6280.158, "text": "We can install them.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 6280.27, "end": 6282.227, "text": "They have nothing to do with this conditional use.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 6282.821, "end": 6299.434, "text": "And I might mention to you that if you look at the kind of vision that is up here, and that is a design review rendering from the design review process, You can see these fences don't look like a prison, and the fences actually allow the kids to feel safe.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 6300.11, "end": 6311.522, "text": "And the fences and the gates will be open to the public in a way that manages the essential needs of the school for school safety, but also allows reasonable public access.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 6312.105, "end": 6312.397, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 6314.632, "end": 6315.248, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 6315.912, "end": 6327.654, "text": "Um, colleagues, we have time now for technical or clarifying questions for the applicant, and then after we finish that, we will take a quick recess for a bathroom break.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 6327.97, "end": 6330.562, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 6330.999, "end": 6331.469, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 6331.89, "end": 6332.522, "text": "I missed your name.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 6332.684, "end": 6333.138, "text": "Can you say that?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 6333.332, "end": 6333.948, "text": "Christy Hype.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 6334.223, "end": 6334.726, "text": "Christy Hype.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 6334.823, "end": 6340.304, "text": "So setting aside on the— I think it's issue number 2, it's the access point on the corner there.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 6340.61, "end": 6341.495, "text": "Yes, yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 6341.978, "end": 6348.131, "text": "Setting aside the sidewalk aspect of that, Yes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 6348.325, "end": 6366.06, "text": "There currently is, on your map you showed, there is the more desirable trail access into campus, but then there is what I would say is the less desirable, which is currently what looks like at some point in this history it was a driveway for cars, but now it's just gated off.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 6366.14, "end": 6370.432, "text": "But it's where clearly there are goat trails where people have walked through.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 6370.561, "end": 6370.884, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 6372.309, "end": 6378.643, "text": "I guess I'm— what I cannot tell from any of the renderings that have been presented today is what does the future of that corner look like?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 6379.092, "end": 6391.022, "text": "And I ask it in the frame of why is PPS not addressing the desire path phenomenon, which is like why college campuses wait to see where everybody walks to.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 6391.199, "end": 6391.359, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 6391.455, "end": 6392.497, "text": "And they put pavement there.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 6392.802, "end": 6392.898, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 6393.059, "end": 6395.801, "text": "So that clearly is a desire path.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 6395.865, "end": 6398.895, "text": "It's been run down to the point I don't think anything would grow for 5 years there.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 6399.328, "end": 6401.251, "text": "So what does that corner look like?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 6401.315, "end": 6408.846, "text": "Because it's nice that you've said 25 feet down is an access point, but I don't know how valid it is given the desire function there.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 6408.926, "end": 6409.951, "text": "What is it going to be in the corner?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 6410.128, "end": 6415.88, "text": "Yeah, so that corner will still retain the area, the, let's call it your goat trail.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 6416.04, "end": 6416.969, "text": "I think you called it goat trail.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 6417.418, "end": 6419.533, "text": "Like it's about 6 feet in width.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 6420.783, "end": 6422.93, "text": "We're not developing in the public right-of-way.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 6423.042, "end": 6426.567, "text": "So the landscaping is not going to take over public right-of-way.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 6427.256, "end": 6434.82, "text": "So what happens is somebody, and it may not, the pedestrian counts are not significant for school kids on that frontage.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 6434.948, "end": 6436.647, "text": "This might be other members of the public.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 6436.743, "end": 6436.967, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 6437.368, "end": 6442.512, "text": "But when you come around that corner, the desire path is, I'm gonna take a quick left right here.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 6442.8, "end": 6443.698, "text": "To get onto campus.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 6443.794, "end": 6444.018, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 6444.964, "end": 6451.005, "text": "But it's a blind, it's a curve that is not a safe curve to invite people in and out of the campus on that curve.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 6451.486, "end": 6454.534, "text": "So, and you're right, It's 2 posts and a chain, right?", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 6454.838, "end": 6456.748, "text": "And so that's being closed off.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 6457.39, "end": 6458.979, "text": "The pathway is not being—.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 6459.011, "end": 6460.904, "text": "You just help me understand, what does closed off mean?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 6461.113, "end": 6469.939, "text": "Meaning that there will be landscaping and development on that corner that doesn't allow normal people to take a goat trail.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 6470.003, "end": 6476.133, "text": "I mean, maybe somebody breaks through the bushes, but it will be landscaped in a way that you don't have that little spur.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 6476.551, "end": 6479.519, "text": "That little spur's like 3 feet long or something.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 6479.937, "end": 6484.932, "text": "That's the piece that's being closed, not inviting people in and out of the campus on that corner.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 6485.478, "end": 6489.638, "text": "And instead, that whole right-of-way frontage stays as it is.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 6490.056, "end": 6498.199, "text": "You're not forcing people to walk into the street, and they will come to a safe raised table sidewalk with a bollard entry.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 6498.28, "end": 6499.019, "text": "No cars there.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 6499.854, "end": 6500.609, "text": "Cars can't come in there.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 6500.753, "end": 6501.508, "text": "You're just walking.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 6501.781, "end": 6503.548, "text": "Now you're talking about when you're on campus though?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 6503.709, "end": 6503.789, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 6503.885, "end": 6505.379, "text": "No, off— right off the right-of-way.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 6505.508, "end": 6507.95, "text": "So you're, you're, you're taking that left turn.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 6508.304, "end": 6509.541, "text": "You can't go in this spur.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 6509.83, "end": 6525.946, "text": "You keep on walking if this is the way you're walking to school, and you will come across a raised crosswalk bollard design, not just poles with a chain on it, and it will funnel you into the campus connecting with the mid-campus connector to the front door of the school.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 6526.139, "end": 6526.782, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 6526.862, "end": 6531.297, "text": "The pedestrians that are coming from the other way, not around that corner, will have a completely different route.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 6531.682, "end": 6532.259, "text": "In that way.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 6532.805, "end": 6534.504, "text": "And there is room outside.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 6534.649, "end": 6539.331, "text": "So this— the City of Portland did a, um, traffic calming exercise there.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 6539.78, "end": 6541.913, "text": "Maybe you could talk about it better than I can.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 6542.41, "end": 6547.189, "text": "And the average speeds are 17 miles an hour there.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 6547.862, "end": 6563.92, "text": "Um, and then there's, uh— I just learned this word, um, right before our hearing— there's 2 chicanes that are, um, curb-like diagonal right that force cars to the right so that they're away from the pedestrians coming into the campus.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 6564.322, "end": 6577.001, "text": "So the reorganization of the campus, the closure of what we think is that dangerous little spur, and the improvements at the mid-connector, we think are going to at least maintain and increase pedestrian safety.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 6578.773, "end": 6578.954, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 6581.919, "end": 6588.681, "text": "Despite how well you put that, something just tells me that people are going to get onto campus as quickly as sure.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 6588.81, "end": 6605.094, "text": "And that unless you— so to get rid of that desired path, which is the very corner of the lot, seems somewhat fruitless, or that it would actually push people a longer Burlingame.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 6605.143, "end": 6607.44, "text": "And that's where I am getting some concern there with—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 6607.796, "end": 6607.99, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 6608.071, "end": 6609.964, "text": "Obviously, we have the chicanes there for a reason.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 6610.32, "end": 6612.148, "text": "We have a reason to push cars away.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 6612.278, "end": 6617.808, "text": "So by not being able to get onto campus, I'll put it this way.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 6617.905, "end": 6622.976, "text": "It kind of seems like a strange hill to die on in terms of this corner and the goat trail.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 6623.04, "end": 6630.664, "text": "Like, what is the meaning to PPS's development in terms of what is changing so significantly that you guys would want to address it?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 6630.904, "end": 6632.429, "text": "I'm missing that a little bit.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 6632.493, "end": 6632.814, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 6632.975, "end": 6638.335, "text": "And maybe I'm— maybe we're both missing it, but I understand the desire path.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 6638.512, "end": 6642.797, "text": "The problem is that that is a landscaped corner now.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 6643.728, "end": 6650.472, "text": "And it is— I don't want to call it a blind curve because I'm not sure it is a blind curve as that's defined.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 6650.889, "end": 6652.976, "text": "We can admit it's not wide open though.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 6653.362, "end": 6654.165, "text": "It's a little tight.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 6654.502, "end": 6655.256, "text": "It's tight.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 6655.61, "end": 6664.184, "text": "And there may be a goat trail there under the current organization of the school where it's closer to get to the front door if you're coming along Burlingame.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 6665.019, "end": 6666.56, "text": "The new main entry is on Vermont.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 6667.042, "end": 6670.707, "text": "So this will actually change whether it's a desire path.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 6671.777, "end": 6680.344, "text": "The desire path is more likely from areas further to the west rather than around that corner on Burlingame.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 6680.538, "end": 6680.716, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 6682.544, "end": 6692.502, "text": "And I'll just signal for colleagues with it, I plan to adopt the proposed conditions that were presented by the applicant in this case.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 6692.599, "end": 6697.21, "text": "I found them to be an improvement, FYI.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 6698.477, "end": 6699.231, "text": "That's all for my questions.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 6699.697, "end": 6700.499, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 6700.74, "end": 6701.446, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 6702.087, "end": 6703.018, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 6703.066, "end": 6703.563, "text": "Hi, Christy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 6703.772, "end": 6703.9, "text": "Hi.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 6704.333, "end": 6708.328, "text": "Um, could you just— you referenced the reservation system.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 6708.585, "end": 6711.938, "text": "The reservation system, yeah, that's for getting on and off campus.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 6713.158, "end": 6713.511, "text": "Are you—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 6713.799, "end": 6716.158, "text": "Is your compromise doing away with the reservation system?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 6716.222, "end": 6717.281, "text": "No, it's both.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 6717.361, "end": 6723.441, "text": "So the Civic Use of Buildings program applies district-wide, and it mostly applies to like recreation leagues use it.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 6723.762, "end": 6727.964, "text": "They want to be sure the field is reserved for them, so they have a calendar posted online.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 6728.013, "end": 6738.022, "text": "You go on and sign up and say, I want to use the multipurpose field at Rickey on Tuesday and Thursday nights from this time to this time, and PPS says, okay, there's no school use, sign up.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 6738.76, "end": 6746.588, "text": "That will be maintained, and I don't think any neighborhood, um, appellant or anybody else is asking us to remove that because it's another opportunity.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 6746.684, "end": 6747.149, "text": "I think it's a good idea.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 6748.342, "end": 6758.839, "text": "All we're saying is if you want to come onto the track, for example, and there's a track meet, the track meet supersedes your ability to use it.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 6759.371, "end": 6760.63, "text": "So both are maintained.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 6761.05, "end": 6764.972, "text": "Okay, but you don't have to— if the gates are open, you don't have to ask?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 6765.02, "end": 6766.184, "text": "No, the neighbors don't have to sign up.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 6766.233, "end": 6768.592, "text": "I just want to make sure you understood reservation system.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 6768.721, "end": 6772.649, "text": "Yeah, they do not have to use the Civic Use of Buildings program unless they put a league together.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 6773.199, "end": 6774.587, "text": "That needs the field reserved.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 6774.894, "end": 6775.314, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 6775.621, "end": 6776.815, "text": "That's the only question I have.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 6777.009, "end": 6778.042, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 6778.139, "end": 6780.092, "text": "Councilor Ryan, last, last question.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 6780.383, "end": 6781.658, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 6783.692, "end": 6784.191, "text": "Um, hello, Christine.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 6784.4, "end": 6785.833, "text": "I'm not used to what I think happened.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 6785.962, "end": 6787.781, "text": "So, um, let me say this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 6787.942, "end": 6792.917, "text": "So the appellant, they want to have access during the school hours— or off-school hours, sorry.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 6793.11, "end": 6793.562, "text": "Off-school hours.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 6793.659, "end": 6799.645, "text": "And did the applicant, that'd be you representing the applicant, provide new conditions yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 6800.158, "end": 6800.495, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 6800.656, "end": 6801.073, "text": "Just now.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 6801.217, "end": 6801.795, "text": "To meet that need?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 6802.164, "end": 6802.34, "text": "What?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 6802.741, "end": 6804.409, "text": "To meet that need of their request?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 6804.506, "end": 6811.356, "text": "Because what I thought I heard from you is that you said access from 6 to 8 AM.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 6811.644, "end": 6811.981, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 6813.473, "end": 6815.141, "text": "And then it's 5 to 9 on evenings.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 6815.254, "end": 6815.446, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 6816.361, "end": 6818.109, "text": "And then 6 AM to 9 PM on weekends.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 6818.767, "end": 6818.991, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 6819.489, "end": 6823.483, "text": "And non-school days, because there'll be summer and, you know, Christmas vacation.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 6824.141, "end": 6824.51, "text": "All of that.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 6824.783, "end": 6825.809, "text": "All of that's in the condition.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 6826.484, "end": 6828.235, "text": "And so this is new.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 6828.332, "end": 6830.517, "text": "I've been to a few of these and I'm not used to—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 6831.288, "end": 6831.625, "text": "This is new.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 6831.674, "end": 6834.18, "text": "—conditions coming from the applicant.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 6834.341, "end": 6834.598, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 6835.064, "end": 6835.626, "text": "And I think—.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 6836.108, "end": 6837.008, "text": "—Much of the need.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 6837.185, "end": 6839.418, "text": "So wow, bravo to the appellant.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 6839.562, "end": 6841.78, "text": "Um, so is that what's happening right now?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 6842.31, "end": 6843.595, "text": "That is what's happening right now.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 6843.997, "end": 6844.704, "text": "Imagine that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 6845.523, "end": 6849.829, "text": "Well, and this is— can I explain why this is the appropriate time for this?", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 6850.102, "end": 6851.05, "text": "I always learn a lot from you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 6851.388, "end": 6858.056, "text": "I mean, this is actually It actually does happen quite regularly to get to resolution and propose a condition in the past.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 6858.345, "end": 6859.418, "text": "I know things have changed.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 6859.627, "end": 6861.213, "text": "Yeah, not the last 6 years.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 6861.325, "end": 6862.655, "text": "Yeah, right, exactly.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 6863.489, "end": 6869.546, "text": "But the thing that's important here is this took a lot of internal discussion.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 6869.818, "end": 6873.311, "text": "There are a lot of different opinions about whether this should be allowed at all.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 6873.968, "end": 6878.519, "text": "There are some that would say this isn't safe or some that say we can do it under these circumstances.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 6878.856, "end": 6879.113, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 6879.353, "end": 6887.338, "text": "So we have taken a very deliberate role in trying to figure out what the right language is while being completely responsive.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 6887.755, "end": 6889.262, "text": "So that's number one.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 6889.695, "end": 6897.439, "text": "Number two is this is the forum for that because we want a condition of approval that gives them certainty and gives us certainty.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 6897.615, "end": 6900.453, "text": "We know when the gates open, when the gates closed.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 6900.822, "end": 6902.569, "text": "We know the city has enforcement authority.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 6902.922, "end": 6907.379, "text": "We know it's going to be in a document that's recorded and runs with the land, and there's no question about it.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 6907.732, "end": 6908.053, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 6909.079, "end": 6918.104, "text": "And this, to bring finality to it, is to bring it to you and say, if you agree with this condition of approval, please impose it on us.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 6918.296, "end": 6919.081, "text": "We're fine with that.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 6919.514, "end": 6931.505, "text": "And then thirdly, I just wanna say, which was probably pretty obvious, that it's important to just lay down the law for purposes of precedent and for purposes of how this applies differently to different campuses.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 6932.018, "end": 6937.12, "text": "It's just important to lay down the law and say, But we're offering a voluntary condition of approval.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 6938.051, "end": 6939.384, "text": "Okay, that was helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 6939.785, "end": 6942.049, "text": "And word of the day, goat trail.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 6942.836, "end": 6942.996, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 6943.092, "end": 6943.558, "text": "Goat trail?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 6943.975, "end": 6945.147, "text": "Is that what you said?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 6945.26, "end": 6946.865, "text": "Mitch knows what goat trails are.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 6947.251, "end": 6948.182, "text": "Oh, I know what they are.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 6948.31, "end": 6951.104, "text": "I just haven't heard it appear at the dais before.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 6951.441, "end": 6951.826, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 6952.083, "end": 6953.175, "text": "Okay, thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 6953.93, "end": 6963.028, "text": "There are no— we have exhausted the technical and clarifying questions in the queue, and technically Kristi, you have about 20 seconds if you wanted it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 6963.861, "end": 6966.81, "text": "Um, I think I'll just concede my time to the— to you guys.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 6967.002, "end": 6967.627, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 6967.787, "end": 6970.175, "text": "Colleagues, the time is currently 3:51.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 6970.431, "end": 6970.608, "text": "I—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 6970.768, "end": 6974.966, "text": "We're going to use a quick restroom break, and if everybody could please be back as close to 4 o'clock as possible.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 6975.014, "end": 6975.303, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 7335.612, "end": 7351.562, "text": "Hey, Mac, does this time work for you?", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 7564.621, "end": 7566.259, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 7566.468, "end": 7567.785, "text": "Calling us back to order here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 7568.539, "end": 7573.854, "text": "We are now moving over to supporters of the applicant, who will each have 3 minutes, minutes apiece.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 7574.015, "end": 7576.23, "text": "Keelan, can we please call up any supporters of the applicant?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 7576.824, "end": 7578.478, "text": "First up, we have Katie Ulrich.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 7586.536, "end": 7587.561, "text": "Katie Ulrich.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 7589.87, "end": 7592.359, "text": "Next we have Jeremy Shetler.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 7596.28, "end": 7598.015, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 7598.826, "end": 7600.87, "text": "Please introduce yourself for the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 7600.952, "end": 7602.768, "text": "You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 7612.38, "end": 7613.552, "text": "My name is Jeremy Shetler.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 7614.869, "end": 7619.848, "text": "I'm here today as a teacher, a coach, a parent, a community member, and a proud alumni of the class of 1992.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 7620.908, "end": 7625.582, "text": "I've spent 35 years calling 1151 Southwest Vermont Street my home away from home.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 7626.931, "end": 7640.085, "text": "Over that time, I've been a dedicated student athlete, baseball coach, wrestling coach, football coach, campus monitor, classroom educator, dean of students, and proud parent to a soon-to-be 2027 graduate.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 7643.464, "end": 7648.709, "text": "I can say there's not another person that has spent as much time as I have taking care of the school.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 7650.49, "end": 7668.801, "text": "That care includes every email I've penned to our custodian administration reporting new incidents, every photo that I've taken for evidence, every time I took to speak to someone who didn't know district policies, not to mention the amount of personal— the dog feces that I've had to personally pick up off of our grass fields.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 7670.651, "end": 7673.251, "text": "The new artificial turf fields are a huge investment.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 7674.639, "end": 7676.447, "text": "They will not be a place for dogs.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 7680.602, "end": 7684.23, "text": "Honestly, I've wanted to close our campus to public access for a very long time.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 7686.013, "end": 7700.228, "text": "The amount of vandalism that I've had to deal with is staggering, from the amount of work that I've had to put into repairing, restringing, repainting, replanting, resodding, reseeding all due to the misuse or intentional damage.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 7700.892, "end": 7702.591, "text": "It's just disheartening for me to see.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 7704.886, "end": 7706.331, "text": "Our community is a great community.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 7707.808, "end": 7709.383, "text": "If it wasn't, I still wouldn't be here.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 7710.259, "end": 7719.046, "text": "We do have responsible, conscientious, and very helpful community members, but we also have entitled neighbors who feel they have the right to our school property without restriction.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 7720.23, "end": 7722.815, "text": "Every piece of green grass on our property, including the baseball outfield.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 7723.207, "end": 7724.733, "text": "Has become a pseudo dog park.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 7725.713, "end": 7734.968, "text": "Even with PPS signage and community agreements, we have people on a daily basis that make the decision to do what they want to do instead of following PPS policies.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 7740.176, "end": 7747.36, "text": "Repairing vandalism to facilities and athletic equipment, removing graffiti, and picking up after a dog should not be the job title of a teacher or coach.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 7748.027, "end": 7757.715, "text": "Our students should be able to come to school on Monday morning to an amazing campus not one that was abused over the weekend because of a group of individuals did whatever they wanted on PPS property.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 7759.16, "end": 7765.799, "text": "This is a school first, and it must be allowed to operate as a school for its primary educational purpose and for the safety of the students.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 7767.469, "end": 7777.393, "text": "We cannot put into a situation where we are forced to maintain our campus for general public park use, along with the wear and tear and vandalism that can come with such an open.", "speaker": "Jeremy Shetler" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 7778.86, "end": 7784.16, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 7784.16, "end": 7787.04, "text": "Next up, we have Malcolm Simonoff.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 7789.54, "end": 7790.98, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 7790.98, "end": 7792.5, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 7792.5, "end": 7795.2, "text": "It's actually one of the few times that, uh, Simonoff was pronounced correctly.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 7796.28, "end": 7797.57, "text": "Hi, my name is Malcolm Simonoff.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 7798.1, "end": 7799.02, "text": "I'm a school counselor at I.W.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 7799.02, "end": 7803.1, "text": "Wells High School, the father of a 6-month-old son, Marley, who will one day be an I.W.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 7803.1, "end": 7805.386, "text": "Wells Guardian, and I'm here to speak on the ordinance and an alumni myself.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 7806.299, "end": 7808.222, 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"speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 7980.665, "end": 7981.376, "text": "My name is Mike Nolan.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 7981.651, "end": 7983.656, "text": "I've been the athletic director at I.W.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 7983.736, "end": 7986.743, "text": "Wells for 26 years— excuse me, I've served at I.W.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 7986.808, "end": 7989.709, "text": "Wells for 26 years and have been the athletic director for past 10.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 7990.311, "end": 7994.377, "text": "I want to begin by making something very clear I deeply believe in community.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 7994.73, "end": 7997.828, "text": "Athletics is one of the greatest community-building tools we have.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 7998.165, "end": 8002.404, "text": "Our facilities 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involving more than 150 families without authorization.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 8055.501, "end": 8056.401, "text": "They held the event.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 8056.529, "end": 8060.206, "text": "We inherited the cleanup facility impact and responsibility.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 8060.784, "end": 8062.277, "text": "That is not community partnership.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8062.711, "end": 8065.103, "text": "Partnership requires shared responsibility.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8065.697, "end": 8068.507, "text": "This is not an argument for locking our community out.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8068.764, "end": 8072.264, "text": "It is an argument for managed access instead of unmanaged access.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8072.313, "end": 8072.505, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8072.846, "end": 8075.19, "text": "We are a public school, not a public park.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8077.07, "end": 8084.865, "text": "In fact, through Facilitron and the CUB process, our own students and athletic programs must schedule the use of our own facilities.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8085.582, "end": 8089.54, "text": "It is reasonable to expect outside users to follow an established process as well.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8090.187, "end": 8095.415, "text": "That process provides supervision, scheduling, and most importantly, accountability.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8096.179, "end": 8099.543, "text": "We are about to make an extraordinary public investment in Ida B.", "speaker": "Mike Nolan" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8099.592, "end": 8100.128, "text": "Wells High 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CPC in the DAG process—they call for a secure gated campus.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 8261.002, "end": 8271.268, "text": "Open public access to the grounds, track, and athletic fields and facilities conflict with that standard of the education spec, and it puts student safety at risk.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 8272.136, "end": 8277.363, "text": "And we know that from today's current events that are tragically taking place in, in Central Oregon.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 8279.498, "end": 8281.381, "text": "Second, the community's voice.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 8281.88, "end": 8302.994, "text": "Through the CPC process, the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association participated vigorously but the result may have been, or it is, a multimillion-dollar design that designs the school around an aged infrastructure of a pool.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 8305.927, "end": 8314.002, "text": "Despite feedback from athletics, despite feedback from the architectural staff, despite feedback from the community, and the wider Wells community.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 8314.419, "end": 8326.293, "text": "I actually presented a survey that I took as a member of the CPC to have the pool relocated to the southeast border so it would be outside of the secure perimeter of the school and it could be utilized during the day.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 8327.158, "end": 8338.743, "text": "And during that presentation at the PPS facilities and planning meeting, we had learned about the $250 million change order that was a result of slowing the Jefferson project down.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 8338.791, "end": 8338.919, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 8340.434, "end": 8348.942, "text": "I have concerns about delays to this project because of this appeal and a possible another black eye to the bond modernization project.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 8349.12, "end": 8357.926, "text": "For all of these reasons, I ask for City Council to deny appeal and accept the conditions, the revised conditions from the applicant.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 8358.833, "end": 8359.595, "text": "I yield my time.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 8360.292, "end": 8361.021, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 8362.787, "end": 8364.958, "text": "Next up, we have Mia Durham Labus.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 8368.586, "end": 8369.068, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 8369.614, "end": 8371.879, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christy White" }, { "id": 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understand the concerns coming from our neighborhood.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 8392.907, "end": 8405.147, "text": "One of Idahoe Wells High School's core values is community, and we try to invite community members to our events as much as possible, such as a music festival called Idahoe Cella, which I believe another student representative will touch upon later.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 8405.98, "end": 8410.354, "text": "We want to continue, to continue this close relationship we have between our school and community members.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 8410.69, "end": 8416.682, "text": "However, a lesson I've had to learn over my time at Idahoe Wells is that just a few people can ruin things for everyone.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 8417.9, "end": 8422.257, "text": "Over the course of many years, time after time, strangers have held 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"Thank you.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 8448.584, "end": 8451.842, "text": "Almost every time we practice on the track, there are community members running around us.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 8452.677, "end": 8457.67, "text": "In cross-country, the saying of the word track while running means please move out of the way.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 8458.376, "end": 8464.605, "text": "This is an extremely important phrase because it lets our runners keep their pace going without being stopped by other athletes.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 8465.44, "end": 8472.809, "text": "Community members who don't understand the meaning of the word track get in students' way and create a hectic and stressful environment for everybody involved.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 8473.451, "end": 8479.503, "text": "This issue may seem small, But when you have at least 10 strangers on the track during practice, it becomes a much larger issue.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 8480.209, "end": 8483.58, "text": "Having a gated track facility would eliminate this problem.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 8484.527, "end": 8486.084, "text": "I would like to stress this to you all.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 8486.775, "end": 8486.967, "text": "Ida B.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 8487.032, "end": 8491.767, "text": "Wells High School is first and foremost a school, not a public park.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 8492.505, "end": 8495.684, "text": "Schools all around Oregon have gated facilities, and it makes sense.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 8496.101, "end": 8497.465, "text": "Schools are for students.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 8498.011, "end": 8502.153, "text": "We love our community, and we want them to participate in events that they are invited to.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 8502.201, "end": 8502.345, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 8502.922, "end": 8516.564, "text": "We even have a designated process for community members to follow when they want to reserve our facilities for events, thus eliminating any issues for student athletes and practices, as well as keeping our campus clean because this process pays for custodial.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 8517.365, "end": 8526.935, "text": "So to keep our school facilities focused for the students, we want to work with our community to use CUBs to reserve our spaces and must have our facilities gated.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 8527.689, "end": 8528.923, "text": "Thank you for your time and consideration.", "speaker": "Mia Durham Labus" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 8528.987, "end": 8529.179, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 8530.209, "end": 8531.15, "text": "Thank you very much for being here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 8533.295, "end": 8534.516, "text": "Next up we have Cannon Walter.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 8540.818, "end": 8546.889, "text": "Hello, my name is Cannon Walter, K-A-N-N-O-N Walter, and I am a current senior at Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 8546.953, "end": 8547.503, "text": "Wells High School.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 8548.23, "end": 8552.352, "text": "I'm here in front of you all today to testify on the importance of enclosing the Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 8552.433, "end": 8557.118, "text": "Wells track and field in order to provide safety for both our students and the equipment they use.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 8558.274, "end": 8563.253, "text": "While enclosing our fields may not feel like the best option, it is a necessary one for our school and its students.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 8564.281, "end": 8564.698, "text": "At Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 8564.779, "end": 8566.545, "text": "Wells, I'm a part of our leadership program.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 8567.027, "end": 8572.054, "text": "Part of our focus as a leadership group is to host community and student events using our campus resources.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 8573.114, "end": 8578.205, "text": "One example of an event we host is called Ida B. Chella that takes place in either the courtyard or on our turf field.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 8578.927, "end": 8585.707, "text": "It is an extremely successful free community event that everyone, including non-students, are invited to attend.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 8586.864, "end": 8589.981, "text": "One of the main attractions of this event is the live music during sunset.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 8590.64, "end": 8597.63, "text": "During this period, we have the musicians perform on a large-scale stage graciously loaned to us by our drama department.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 8598.433, "end": 8602.885, "text": "Unfortunately, this stage can take up to 2 hours to take down, and with the Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 8602.933, "end": 8607.062, "text": "Wells Gala lasting usually to about 9:30, this has created an issue for us as a leadership program.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 8607.111, "end": 8607.207, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 8608.153, "end": 8609.707, "text": "In my sophomore year, we hosted Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 8609.755, "end": 8610.797, "text": "Wells on the turf field.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 8611.518, "end": 8616.405, "text": "It was an incredibly successful event, and as a student leader, I volunteered to help on cleanup duty.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 8617.543, "end": 8618.024, "text": "Since Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 8618.072, "end": 8622.943, "text": "Wells was a new event, we as a leadership program didn't fully know the extent of how hard it would be to clean up the stage.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 8623.6, "end": 8627.751, "text": "For the next hour and a half, I was at the school taking down the stage and bringing it back into our school.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 8628.488, "end": 8637.244, "text": "During this time, I didn't have a driver's license, so instead of going to bed, one of my parents had to stay up My parents had to stay up till around 11:30 on a work night in order to pick me up.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 8637.565, "end": 8643.04, "text": "And in the same regard, I didn't get to bed until at least midnight on a school night in which I had classes the next day.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 8643.971, "end": 8651.807, "text": "While we improved our processes the following year, the stage, along with the other aspects of the event, still remain a large issue in our ability to clean up by a reasonable time.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 8653.043, "end": 8665.839, "text": "As you decide whether to build a secure fence, I want you to think about me sophomore year, along with the freshmen and upperclassmen who worked tirelessly to ensure that this amazing community event, along with cleanup for other activities, happened yes.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 8667.011, "end": 8679.431, "text": "With the existence of a secure fence that is locked when students and staff are not using it, and when the civic use of building request has not rented the school property to another organization, then we could have made sure that the stage would not be damaged overnight.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 8680.25, "end": 8685.08, "text": "This would allow our leadership program, along with other school-based organizations, the ability to hold Ida B.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 8685.208, "end": 8695.432, "text": "Wells along with other amazing events every year, while also giving us the ability to clean up the stage and other large parts of events the next day during our designated leadership class time.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 8696.299, "end": 8705.708, "text": "This is one of multiple examples that we as students on campus can share as to why having our campus open with a CUB request can be problematic— or without a CUB request.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 8706.351, "end": 8716.996, "text": "Without the proper measures like a secure fence around our school, we are limiting our ability as students to support our community through events like these and continue to risk the safety of our equipment and the student body.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 8717.414, "end": 8717.879, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Cannon Walter" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 8718.735, "end": 8719.724, "text": "Thank you very much for being here.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 8721.4, "end": 8723.748, "text": "Next up we have Anaya Miranda Blank.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 8727.12, "end": 8727.395, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 8728.042, "end": 8728.414, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 8731.584, "end": 8736.082, "text": "Hello everyone, my name is Anaya Miranda Blank and I'm a current senior here at I.W.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 8736.13, "end": 8736.614, "text": "Wells High School.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 8737.486, "end": 8740.293, "text": "I also serve as the senior officer of communications.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 8741.599, "end": 8744.616, "text": "I'm here today to testify the importance of closing the I.W.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 8744.664, "end": 8755.657, "text": "Wells track and field to the community in order to protect our facilities, reduce limited staff and volunteer efforts, and provide an environment that is conducive to sports practice and play.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 8757.189, "end": 8759.961, "text": "I have participated in the soccer program here at I.W.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 8760.01, "end": 8760.235, "text": "Wells.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 8761.16, "end": 8768.484, "text": "We regularly had practices on the field over the summer, and sometimes other school sports were also practicing at the same time.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 8769.612, "end": 8779.43, "text": "One time when soccer was practicing on the field and cheer was using the track, A large group of 60-plus people came over and held their own personal track meet.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 8780.376, "end": 8783.885, "text": "Their use of the track made it extremely difficult for cheer to practice.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 8785.039, "end": 8792.378, "text": "The community members' constant whistle-blowing to start and stop a race also confused students doing drills at soccer practice.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 8793.836, "end": 8799.829, "text": "This disruption shows that community members need to have clear boundaries when it comes to the use of our school's athletic facilities.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 8799.877, "end": 8800.005, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 8801.381, "end": 8805.969, "text": "Our school's athletic facilities already have limited access for student athletes.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 8806.89, "end": 8809.119, "text": "The fields have been damaged by constant misuse.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 8809.982, "end": 8819.974, "text": "The damage to our fields and equipment cause more of a financial burden on the school district and facilities, constantly having to replace and repair things that have been damaged by the public.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 8821.47, "end": 8827.184, "text": "Finally, we are building a multimillion-dollar facility that is going to be here for future generations to come.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 8828.434, "end": 8838.212, "text": "In order to protect our facilities, we should limit public access and only approve public usage through the proper channels to maintain an investment for our community for years to come.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" 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"start": 8871.193, "end": 8871.516, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Anaya Miranda Blank" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 8872.403, "end": 8872.951, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 8874.354, "end": 8876.096, "text": "Next we have Isa Lados.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 8879.416, "end": 8879.659, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 8880.789, "end": 8881.435, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 8883.455, "end": 8884.601, "text": "Thank you all for having me today.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 8884.924, "end": 8887.218, "text": "My name is Isa Lados and I'm a senior at Ida B.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 8887.266, "end": 8887.719, "text": "Wells High School.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1553", "start": 8888.247, "end": 8892.887, "text": "Where I'm involved in student government, soccer, tennis, and other extracurricular activities.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1554", "start": 8893.626, "end": 8902.602, "text": "I'm here to testify and specifically to oppose the proposed condition requiring public access without reservations to our school's open areas and recreational facilities.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1555", "start": 8903.34, "end": 8912.476, "text": "Unreserved access would put the safety of my peers at risk, increase the cost of replacing sports equipment, and add to the maintenance burden on our staff and volunteers.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1556", "start": 8912.525, "end": 8912.717, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1557", "start": 8913.617, "end": 8919.385, "text": "As a member of student government, I've seen firsthand how much cleanup our leadership program takes on after school events.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1558", "start": 8919.963, "end": 8928.302, "text": "That can mean hours of work after courtyard events or staying late after football games alongside parent volunteers to clean our track, field, and bleachers.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1559", "start": 8929.298, "end": 8933.219, "text": "This work is intensive and depends on a large group of committed students and parents.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1560", "start": 8933.797, "end": 8939.485, "text": "But when unregistered events happen on our facilities without a reservation, there are no volunteers lined up.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1561", "start": 8939.806, "end": 8941.553, "text": "And the burden falls on our school staff.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1562", "start": 8942.451, "end": 8949.552, "text": "As an athlete in both an on-campus sport and an off-campus sport, I've also seen how different facilities hold up depending on who can access them.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1563", "start": 8950.305, "end": 8954.906, "text": "As the captain of the women's varsity soccer team, I'm responsible for making sure our goals are locked up.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 8955.355, "end": 8960.5, "text": "We use several different locks so our community partners can use the goals while preventing theft.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 8961.141, "end": 8965.886, "text": "Over the past few weeks during our soccer practices, I've seen people digging through the trash cans looking for cans.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 8965.934, "end": 8966.495, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 8967.393, "end": 8973.724, "text": "When they leave, the trash is often scattered everywhere, and our custodial staff, who are already stretched thin, are left to clean it up.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 8974.509, "end": 8983.63, "text": "Our tennis program, meanwhile, plays off campus at Gayrell Park currently, where we frequently deal with people using the courts for non-tennis purposes and damaging the surface.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1569", "start": 8984.527, "end": 8986.627, "text": "I also understand where the neighborhood is coming from.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1570", "start": 8987.092, "end": 8990.442, "text": "I live in this community too, and I've used the track to train for a half marathon.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1571", "start": 8991.035, "end": 8994.865, "text": "I know how valuable these spaces are to the people around them, and I want them to stay that way.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1572", "start": 8995.362, "end": 8997.141, "text": "But that's exactly why I'm concerned.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1573", "start": 8997.445, "end": 9005.906, "text": "The facilities are only worth sharing if they're kept safe and in good condition, and that's much harder to do when there's no way of knowing who is using them or when.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1574", "start": 9006.659, "end": 9011.37, "text": "With new tennis courts being built as part of this project, protecting them from the start is essential.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1575", "start": 9011.931, "end": 9015.488, "text": "Court surfaces are delicate, and with unrestricted use, they won't last.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1576", "start": 9015.953, "end": 9021.865, "text": "For these reasons, I respectfully urge the City Council not to add the condition requiring public access without reservations.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1577", "start": 9022.445, "end": 9025.038, "text": "And to uphold the hearing officer's decision as approved.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 9025.489, "end": 9026.182, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Isa Lados" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 9026.955, "end": 9027.679, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 9028.002, "end": 9029.451, "text": "That completes testimony.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 9029.918, "end": 9030.256, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1582", "start": 9030.498, "end": 9031.837, "text": "Thank you very much, everybody.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 9032.58, "end": 9037.924, "text": "Uh, finally, our— uh, we are going to invite the appellant to provide their rebuttal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 9038.086, "end": 9039.555, "text": "They have 5 minutes for that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 9046.305, "end": 9046.763, "text": "Hi again.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 9047.973, "end": 9048.742, "text": "Valerie Friedman.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 9049.801, "end": 9065.645, "text": "Um, I have to say, uh, we're— while we are— we welcome the condition, um, proposed by PPS, we're caught a little unprepared, um, because this is the first time we've seen it.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 9066.479, "end": 9098.107, "text": "Um, and as far as that goes, I just, I just want to say we'd like to, uh, request that the condition that the times be adjusted on the condition, if it were to be approved by City Council, and that the starting time be 5:00 AM, and that the afternoon open time be closer to the end of the school day, and that in summer, the access be granted until 10:00 PM or sunset.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 9098.562, "end": 9098.692, "text": "But—.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 9099.628, "end": 9107.535, "text": "I also want to say thank you to everybody who's testified in opposition to our appeal.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 9108.404, "end": 9116.399, "text": "All of these issues are extremely important for everyone, for our school staff, students, and our community.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 9117.526, "end": 9133.567, "text": "I think a lot of the issues that we've heard about will be addressed by the time lock gates that are planned as part of this proposal that nobody is proposing be open after 9 PM, maybe 10 PM.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 9134.341, "end": 9142.914, "text": "So I think a lot of that will be taken care of just by having these new gates that can keep people out overnight.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 9144.628, "end": 9147.878, "text": "And when there aren't other people around, that's when the people come who do bad things.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 9150.751, "end": 9161.775, "text": "And I just want to call out also somebody mentioned that out of 8 out of 9 high schools, this will be the only one if this condition passes that, that allows public access.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 9161.888, "end": 9163.842, "text": "And, and I just keep coming back to Grant High School.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 9164.473, "end": 9166.526, "text": "It seems like a very different situation there.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 9167.366, "end": 9174.661, "text": "Um, I don't know that I want to say anything else about this, but I know Don and Keith have things to say.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 9175.148, "end": 9186.811, "text": "So Burlingame Avenue, if I understood what was being said, they don't want to use the existing paved route that we currently walk on, but close it off and landscape it.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 9187.613, "end": 9192.246, "text": "And basically, they're basically saying, and people will then have a crosswalk on Burlingame Avenue.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 9192.486, "end": 9193.111, "text": "Think about that.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 9193.865, "end": 9198.385, "text": "Okay, when people are coming to the school, they're walking against traffic as required by state law.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1603", "start": 9199.139, "end": 9207.619, "text": "That means you're on the south side of Burlingame Avenue, and then you have to walk in the street in their proposal against traffic to their entrance.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 9207.667, "end": 9207.715, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 9208.775, "end": 9214.907, "text": "If they just leave it open like it is, we can walk on that asphalt that exists there and get to where we need to go.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1606", "start": 9215.437, "end": 9219.161, "text": "I can't understand what's going on in their head to make this so complicated.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1607", "start": 9220.478, "end": 9224.667, "text": "And that's the— basically, that's the essence.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1608", "start": 9224.828, "end": 9225.791, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1609", "start": 9226.513, "end": 9236.882, "text": "Regarding Reekie Road, I'd like to just remind everybody that Reekie driveway and walkway is used consistently throughout the day by people in the neighborhood, students, and so forth.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1610", "start": 9237.813, "end": 9249.554, "text": "And the idea of putting bikes and pedestrians on not really an 8-foot path, it's really 6-foot clear, is just substandard in every respect.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1611", "start": 9249.618, "end": 9256.05, "text": "You can just look at the city's pedestrian design guidelines, and I had a snippet in the written testimony.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 9256.098, "end": 9259.402, "text": "It shows how that width is totally deficient.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 9260.22, "end": 9270.198, "text": "So the solution is— the non-build solution is to just Just like the easement that they're proposing for the east and north driveways.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 9270.936, "end": 9272.749, "text": "That would be absolutely perfect for here.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 9273.68, "end": 9280.145, "text": "The irony is, is that Reekie Road is the one that has the TSP designations, whereas the east and north driveways do not.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 9281.14, "end": 9283.546, "text": "I would also submit that we really need both accesses.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 9283.626, "end": 9287.926, "text": "You've got a distance of over 2,000 feet and only 2 entrances.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 9288.07, "end": 9288.856, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1619", "start": 9289.707, "end": 9296.23, "text": "Routes across this campus to get to connect the neighborhoods with Hillsdale.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1620", "start": 9296.776, "end": 9298.607, "text": "Can I have another 20 seconds?", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1621", "start": 9298.704, "end": 9299.121, "text": "One more too.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1622", "start": 9299.925, "end": 9301.033, "text": "There are a couple things I forgot.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1623", "start": 9301.194, "end": 9310.222, "text": "And in terms of the condition, the new condition that's proposed, we hope that access to the Wells Courtyard and practice field can be added as well.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1624", "start": 9310.431, "end": 9314.11, "text": "I don't think the condition includes those 2 spaces.", "speaker": "Valerie Friedman" }, { "id": "cue-1625", "start": 9314.801, "end": 9322.939, "text": "And the final thing I want to point out is on Reekie Road or the Reekie driveway, a lot of people walk their dogs.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1626", "start": 9323.62, "end": 9328.65, "text": "Think about 6 feet wide and dogs on a leash with a bicycle at high speed.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1627", "start": 9328.955, "end": 9329.678, "text": "It's terrible.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1628", "start": 9333.378, "end": 9334.023, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1629", "start": 9334.103, "end": 9334.523, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1630", "start": 9335.152, "end": 9337.716, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Don Bach" }, { "id": "cue-1631", "start": 9338.216, "end": 9338.587, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Keith Lydon" }, { "id": "cue-1632", "start": 9339.668, "end": 9342.539, "text": "Colleagues, we are now entering into council deliberation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1633", "start": 9343.559, "end": 9345.309, "text": "I have a little script to read very quickly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 9346.385, "end": 9348.649, "text": "The evidentiary record in this hearing is now closed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 9348.729, "end": 9357.994, "text": "This means that council will accept no more oral or written testimony on the land use appeal, and this concludes the public participation portion of this evidentiary hearing.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 9358.7, "end": 9361.446, "text": "City Attorney, do we have anything to discuss before we begin deliberations?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 9362.939, "end": 9363.26, "text": "Nope.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 9363.886, "end": 9365.026, "text": "Cool, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 9365.235, "end": 9367.274, "text": "Colleagues, we're now going to begin council deliberations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 9367.339, "end": 9368.109, "text": "Feel free to get into the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 9369.019, "end": 9374.597, "text": "And as we enter, uh, the deliberations, I will just note to my colleagues it is currently 4:30.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 9375.387, "end": 9379.124, "text": "Uh, we have one other land use item that we are supposed to hopefully begin.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 9379.252, "end": 9384.686, "text": "Clearly we won't end it, but we'll— I'm going to try and get us to at least open it, and then we will continue that conversation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 9384.734, "end": 9385.94, "text": "So Councilor Avalos, kick us off.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 9388.607, "end": 9389.544, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 9389.884, "end": 9395.598, "text": "Um, really appreciate all of the work that everybody did, uh, to present their case.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1647", "start": 9396.272, "end": 9408.002, "text": "Um, I think that ultimately what I'm feeling is, one, I think that the compromise condition that was presented feels adequate, feels satisfactory to me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1648", "start": 9408.628, "end": 9419.347, "text": "Um, I am not, uh, overly compelled by arguments that, um, the space should remain as open and as free as it has been.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1649", "start": 9419.46, "end": 9430.683, "text": "I think the school and the students have made A very defensible case for why they deserve to have some kind of restrictions to access to their fields.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 9430.779, "end": 9433.461, "text": "And they're right, it is their school at the end of the day.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 9433.75, "end": 9440.383, "text": "I can appreciate, especially as an East Portland representative, that public spaces, green spaces are hard to come by.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 9441.459, "end": 9446.148, "text": "And I definitely understand the community's desires for having access.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 9446.597, "end": 9453.25, "text": "And I think we as a city need to continue ensuring that we're providing that as a public good.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 9453.769, "end": 9456.949, "text": "But that is not the school's responsibility to provide.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 9457.079, "end": 9473.187, "text": "And I really do feel persuaded by the students' perspective and really respect just what they're arguing and also what sounds like is really challenging for students accessing their own campus.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 9474.12, "end": 9481.247, "text": "That that to me is rising to a level of importance that would lead me to not support the appeal.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 9482.082, "end": 9485.277, "text": "So at this point, I do not support the appeals.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 9485.39, "end": 9491.764, "text": "I think the condition that was provided is adequate, and thankful to all who came to testify.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 9492.358, "end": 9500.048, "text": "Obviously understand where everyone's coming from, but I don't believe this is the time to set the kind of precedents that these kinds of appeals would require.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 9500.113, "end": 9500.289, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 9500.867, "end": 9502.456, "text": "Uh, I don't think it's necessary.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 9502.568, "end": 9516.338, "text": "I think that the school, uh, has made, uh, plenty of an argument for the ways that they continue to allow community to participate in the campus, in the surrounding green spaces, uh, and therefore I don't plan on supporting the appeal.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 9516.772, "end": 9516.996, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jasmine Reese" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 9518.056, "end": 9518.826, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 9518.922, "end": 9519.5, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 9520.607, "end": 9521.602, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 9522.148, "end": 9525.069, "text": "I just wanted to get some clarification here.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 9526.064, "end": 9537.921, "text": "Is there a Do we have any sort of, um, link to say how this, this whole school was paid for, is going to be paid for?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 9540.55, "end": 9541.278, "text": "It's a great question.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 9541.763, "end": 9544.157, "text": "You mean, uh, through, through the bonds, or what are you—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 9544.27, "end": 9551.402, "text": "Yeah, so that's what I— so am I correct in my thoughts that this school, like the other schools, are paid for with the bond money?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 9552.493, "end": 9554.752, "text": "Perhaps someone from the applicant is able to answer that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1673", "start": 9554.978, "end": 9555.268, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1674", "start": 9555.946, "end": 9556.091, "text": "Can—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1675", "start": 9556.607, "end": 9560.398, "text": "And I'll look to Lauren to see whether or not that's—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1676", "start": 9560.479, "end": 9563.693, "text": "Well, I, I don't know if she can come up, but that's what I'm trying to figure out.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 9564.178, "end": 9571.308, "text": "So those bonds get paid back by, um, adults who live in the Portland Public School System, correct?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 9572.925, "end": 9573.459, "text": "Lauren, what do you have?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 9573.637, "end": 9578.343, "text": "Councilor Smith, I'm not sure that this is evidence that's in the record, and the record has been closed.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 9578.424, "end": 9585.665, "text": "Andy, is there any discussion in the record about the financing of the schools and how bonds work.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 9586.002, "end": 9587.879, "text": "I'm just trying to figure out how it gets paid for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 9588.89, "end": 9589.869, "text": "There's—.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 9589.918, "end": 9593.352, "text": "There, there was testimony that this is paid for by bond money.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 9593.929, "end": 9601.937, "text": "Okay, it was paid for by bond money, and the people who pay it are the people who live in the Portland Public School District, the people who own homes?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1685", "start": 9602.531, "end": 9603.943, "text": "That's generally how bonds work, yes.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1686", "start": 9604.04, "end": 9604.842, "text": "Okay, that's what I thought.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1687", "start": 9604.938, "end": 9605.949, "text": "I just wanted to clarify that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1688", "start": 9606.68, "end": 9606.937, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1689", "start": 9607.291, "end": 9621.614, "text": "Um, because I think that the folks who want to keep it, the neighborhood folks, um, they don't have any kids and they're paying this bond.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1690", "start": 9623.16, "end": 9630.813, "text": "So I can totally understand why they feel like they should be able to, uh, come to the school and use it because they're the ones who are paying for it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 9632.23, "end": 9643.421, "text": "Um, I do agree that I think that the settlement that was proposed is a good one, and it is a good space to be.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 9644.709, "end": 9658.018, "text": "But I also want folks to understand that, um, all of these schools that I, I believe— because I think I have something on my, on my property tax rolls that's for a specific bond, I just can't remember it right now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 9658.812, "end": 9668.813, "text": "And we have to be mindful that we're all caretakers of, of our public spaces and that we should try to find resolution where we can.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 9669.024, "end": 9671.134, "text": "Everybody's not going to get everything that they want.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 9671.621, "end": 9682.095, "text": "I do understand, uh, the summertime, uh, having that, um, expanded to 10 o'clock might be better because it's lighter outside during the summertime.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 9682.433, "end": 9684.943, "text": "And I don't know if there's a way that we can We can amend that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 9685.584, "end": 9694.51, "text": "But I like what was put forward, and I, I wish that, uh, the applicant would have shared that with the neighborhood before they got here.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 9694.558, "end": 9699.381, "text": "They got blindsided with a concession that they didn't have a chance to review.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 9700.551, "end": 9714.962, "text": "Um, so I want to thank everybody who came here to, uh, testify today because I have grandchildren who also practice on, um, Portland Public School tracks, and they're involved and engaged.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 9715.074, "end": 9718.46, "text": "And there, there, there is some confusion when you have other people on the field.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 9718.508, "end": 9721.813, "text": "It's, it's really hard to, to, um, practice.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 9722.134, "end": 9733.893, "text": "But I think we have to be mindful, um, always on how we all have a collective, um, responsibility, and the adults in this room are paying for it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 9733.942, "end": 9735.787, "text": "So I think we should understand each other.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1704", "start": 9735.851, "end": 9736.011, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1705", "start": 9739.338, "end": 9740.736, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1706", "start": 9741.283, "end": 9742.295, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1707", "start": 9743.05, "end": 9743.629, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1708", "start": 9745.364, "end": 9746.441, "text": "Um, thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 9747.534, "end": 9761.416, "text": "This has been honestly quite challenging, uh, and reviewing this from a letter of the law and land use versus a public policy perspective is one of those moments for us in terms of quasi-judicial and our roles here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 9762.088, "end": 9790.812, "text": "So there's a lot to be desired in terms of how PPS, being an urban school district, is going to approach being a community partner and how to do that while fulfilling their duty and their responsibility, frankly, probably underline bold responsibility of being So challenging.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 9791.069, "end": 9806.115, "text": "And also, I'm recognizing that my experience as a coach, my experience of some of the stories that have been told here about running into situations on the ground, are maybe a little outdated with what is currently facing the school.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 9807.335, "end": 9824.236, "text": "So given all of that, on appeal number 3, which is relative to the access, I don't know if the appropriate thing is to properly move, but I would like to properly move the conditions that were proposed by the applicant that we read and heard in the record.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1713", "start": 9825.75, "end": 9836.172, "text": "Because I do think that, and I want to frame this up a little bit, what I look at those as is those are the bare minimum.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1714", "start": 9837.429, "end": 9854.294, "text": "Those allow the school, I think, to adhere to their responsibility, take ownership for their land, protect their assets, and send a signal of we have to be— we have to have a reason to go more restrictive than these.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1715", "start": 9854.55, "end": 9856.878, "text": "And it can't just be because it's Tuesday.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1716", "start": 9857.199, "end": 9862.623, "text": "It has to be, as we noted in there, there are some conditions where the authority still rests with the school district.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1717", "start": 9862.687, "end": 9864.276, "text": "And I think that that's important.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1718", "start": 9864.437, "end": 9865.721, "text": "That was to my question earlier.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1719", "start": 9865.785, "end": 9868.224, "text": "I think being able to adapt to the moment is important.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1720", "start": 9868.93, "end": 9877.225, "text": "But the point that was— as somebody who's done a lot of good neighbor agreements, I want to commend the way the applicant showed up on this one.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1721", "start": 9877.338, "end": 9892.645, "text": "I had not considered it, but the fact that they said this puts it in a way that is actually enforceable is actually, I think, good for both the appellant and the applicant in a way that I have never seen before in, um, as it relates to a good neighbor agreement.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1722", "start": 9892.741, "end": 9894.057, "text": "I actually think this has more teeth to it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 9894.121, "end": 9894.249, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 9896.77, "end": 9908.267, "text": "But my plea, and this is maybe stepping out of the land use, my plea would be is that we hear what the neighborhood said, and if we have a good summer, we say we maybe program it to sundown instead of 9 PM.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 9909.053, "end": 9913.405, "text": "That when things go well, we look at, is it really that bad if it starts at 5?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 9913.694, "end": 9915.894, "text": "But we're setting as a bare minimum.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 9915.958, "end": 9917.371, "text": "So that's why I want to move this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 9917.483, "end": 9919.217, "text": "I think that that's an important access piece.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 9919.265, "end": 9919.426, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 9920.273, "end": 9937.942, "text": "And I think it's also an acknowledgment, while I'm uncomfortable with it, an acknowledgment that schools are being built with fencing now in a way that I just think makes many of us uncomfortable that that's the reality on the ground.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 9938.683, "end": 9939.713, "text": "I hate that reality.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 9940.937, "end": 9947.511, "text": "And, um, it's also their responsibility to secure their locations or have the ability to.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 9947.579, "end": 9947.698, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 9948.092, "end": 9953.222, "text": "And so I look at this as a good compromise, something that will be in the record, something that will be enforceable.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 9953.783, "end": 9958.928, "text": "And I would encourage all parties to look at this as a win-win-win on issue number 3.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 9959.313, "end": 9959.762, "text": "I second.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 9960.13, "end": 9978.603, "text": "So, Councilor Zimmerman, can I just, uh, in the language of land use appeals, can I see that Councilor Zimmerman moves to tentatively deny the appeal and uphold the hearings officer's decision and conditions of approval with the addition of the condition of approval as proposed by the applicant directing staff to return at a date and time certain with revised findings.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 9978.716, "end": 9979.486, "text": "Does that sound correct to you?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 9980.867, "end": 9982.007, "text": "And that was what Lauren just sent me.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 9982.81, "end": 9983.645, "text": "Sound correct.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 9983.693, "end": 9988.237, "text": "And I'm going to look to staff to confirm that it would just be the additional condition.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 9988.286, "end": 9991.914, "text": "It's not revising any of the current conditions, adding this new language, right?", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 9992.669, "end": 9994.66, "text": "If the appeal is denied.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 9994.837, "end": 9994.997, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1745", "start": 9995.961, "end": 10005.529, "text": "And then I'm going to look to the applicant's attorney for timing to return to Um, 2 weeks.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1746", "start": 10006.624, "end": 10008.502, "text": "Okay, so date and time certain, 2 weeks.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1747", "start": 10008.567, "end": 10009.074, "text": "Do we have that?", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1748", "start": 10013.172, "end": 10014.993, "text": "Well, let me continue on a couple other items then.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1749", "start": 10015.09, "end": 10015.557, "text": "You keep talking.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 10015.831, "end": 10040.295, "text": "So with respect to item number 2, which is the Burlingame Access Road, colleagues, that's the one I'm most and I'm curious if there are strong opinions or if you were able to visualize what was described better than I was, because I'm having a tough time with that, and whether or not that's creating a more or less safe situation.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 10040.568, "end": 10047.279, "text": "And so I'm on issue 1, I have no commentary on that anymore.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 10047.425, "end": 10054.266, "text": "But on issue 2, that is kind of where I'm— I didn't grasp a good visualization for what will be the impact of that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 10055.72, "end": 10057.89, "text": "Just what will be gone.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 10059.46, "end": 10064.233, "text": "So I just wanted to put that out there, but I'm only suggesting the one change to the findings of number 3.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 10064.94, "end": 10066.145, "text": "Can I ask a point of order?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 10066.306, "end": 10083.197, "text": "Uh, so I don't know if this is like technically a real motion that has a second, but what the motion is is to deny the appeal, where I would like to go back and talk about those other elements I don't want to deny the entire appeal yet.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 10083.423, "end": 10089.653, "text": "I want to somehow approve what the compromise is, but I still want to talk about 1 and 2.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 10090.909, "end": 10093.067, "text": "Can I, can I do that, attorney?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 10094.629, "end": 10107.499, "text": "Perhaps the best way to do that is to know that there's sort of interest in adding that condition, but counsel's not yet ready for a motion, a formal motion, and that we can continue this discussion.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 10108.974, "end": 10117.083, "text": "So we've got outline of the language, and Councilor Zimmerman, I'll come back to you to reintroduce that and move that, and we'll second that, and we'll continue to the councilors that are in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 10117.163, "end": 10118.528, "text": "And it is 4:45, y'all.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 10119.395, "end": 10119.989, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 10120.054, "end": 10120.423, "text": "Any further?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 10120.632, "end": 10121.258, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 10121.9, "end": 10128.339, "text": "Point of quick information, I guess in that exchange, are you saying that we can't— we're going to have to do the vote as a whole package?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 10128.403, "end": 10130.426, "text": "We're not going to be able to vote them in individual?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 10130.49, "end": 10133.172, "text": "Like if we— right, is that what that was about?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 10134.103, "end": 10155.361, "text": "Yeah, so council, the options of council are to deny the appeal and revise, deny the appeal and uphold everything the hearings office has written, uphold the appeal and adopt the conditions that the appellants have proposed, or this middle scenario, which is deny the appeal but adopt new conditions.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 10156.518, "end": 10166.513, "text": "And until council has kind of identified what those new conditions are, I would I'm going to ask council to pause on making a motion so that they can all be done in one motion because it's responding to the actual appeal.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 10166.706, "end": 10167.075, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 10167.123, "end": 10170.996, "text": "I think the reason I was confused is because it's listed as appeal 1, 2, and 3.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 10171.076, "end": 10175.495, "text": "So I'm taking that as 3 different actions, but we're saying those are all one action, correct?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 10175.543, "end": 10178.596, "text": "Yes, they are all conditions that the appellant is asking for.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 10178.692, "end": 10178.933, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 10179.897, "end": 10180.669, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 10181.006, "end": 10182.115, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 10182.452, "end": 10183.754, "text": "Yes, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 10184.638, "end": 10191.581, "text": "I want to acknowledge the The students and the coaches, the counselors, and also the community, the neighbors.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1779", "start": 10192.158, "end": 10194.146, "text": "This was a really good session.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1780", "start": 10194.723, "end": 10199.516, "text": "I've seldom seen such compromise and civics displayed in one of these hearings.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1781", "start": 10200.093, "end": 10211.427, "text": "I think that the applicant brought new conditions that met many of the key beefs from the appellant, and so I think we're on the right track here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1782", "start": 10211.475, "end": 10211.635, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1783", "start": 10212.294, "end": 10214.429, "text": "I actually do believe fences make good neighbors.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 10215.184, "end": 10217.672, "text": "And so I wanted to just say that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 10218.138, "end": 10228.478, "text": "And I really think PPS is being called to help you all figure out the details of how to manage those off-school hour conditions.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 10229.136, "end": 10240.261, "text": "I think I don't want the City Council to get too far into the weeds of some of the issues that really are better spent by the PPS board and the body there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 10240.774, "end": 10244.689, "text": "I do think under code we're on the right track to go ahead and move this along.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 10244.962, "end": 10249.855, "text": "So anyway, I'll get out of the way but say that I'm really pleased that we made some progress today.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 10250.336, "end": 10250.657, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1790", "start": 10251.218, "end": 10251.988, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1791", "start": 10252.341, "end": 10253.063, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1792", "start": 10253.689, "end": 10254.908, "text": "Uh, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1793", "start": 10255.454, "end": 10269.629, "text": "Um, you know, school district really is a sister government, and I would hope— I think, um, riffing off something Councilor Zimmerman I think said is that I would hope for a strong community partnership with, uh, PPS.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1794", "start": 10270.526, "end": 10273.426, "text": "Um, I would hope for a stronger partnership right now.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1795", "start": 10274.228, "end": 10277.224, "text": "We're generating potentially some ill will here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1796", "start": 10277.673, "end": 10278.474, "text": "I don't want that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1797", "start": 10279.339, "end": 10287.704, "text": "Um, I very much appreciate the testimony from the neighborhood association and all the students, the teachers, coaches, everyone.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1798", "start": 10287.768, "end": 10289.338, "text": "It's all very compelling.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1799", "start": 10289.755, "end": 10295.804, "text": "Uh, In the mix, and I will, um, I will change my view on the fence.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1800", "start": 10295.868, "end": 10304.822, "text": "I realize that I have— I can't change it anyway, but, um, I do want to just talk a little bit about, uh, appeal request 1 and 2.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1801", "start": 10305.64, "end": 10317.819, "text": "I think, um, 1, um, I'm tempted to, um, uphold that, and I'm open to argument because bicycles are going to use that anyways.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1802", "start": 10318.092, "end": 10318.157, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1803", "start": 10318.574, "end": 10323.041, "text": "Whether it's a, you know, legally a part of the right-of-way or not.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1804", "start": 10323.153, "end": 10325.579, "text": "And I do not believe— and let me just back up.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1805", "start": 10325.708, "end": 10326.704, "text": "I've lived in this neighborhood.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1806", "start": 10326.768, "end": 10328.584, "text": "I did live in this neighborhood 20 years.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1807", "start": 10329.002, "end": 10330.769, "text": "I spent a lot of time on that campus.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1808", "start": 10331.492, "end": 10340.313, "text": "I ran around that track an awful lot, practiced for a triathlon on that track, walked through that campus repeatedly.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1809", "start": 10340.731, "end": 10342.369, "text": "And I can— and I go to the farmer's market.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1810", "start": 10343.06, "end": 10350.367, "text": "And I can tell you that little path the path is a little path, and it will not accommodate people, dog walkers, and bikes all at the same time.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1811", "start": 10350.721, "end": 10357.931, "text": "So people are going to ride their bike on, on the pathway street, whatever we want to call it, not an official street.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1812", "start": 10359.151, "end": 10367.453, "text": "So I guess the issue is whether we give the neighborhood the authority to do that in the land use program.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1813", "start": 10368.449, "end": 10374.28, "text": "So I'm, I'm willing to entertain upholding the appeal request, number one.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1814", "start": 10375.196, "end": 10386.251, "text": "Number two, on the pathway, sidewalk, whatever you want to call it, I just want to reference my experience building big things at TriMet.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1815", "start": 10386.926, "end": 10402.873, "text": "You know, when TriMet had big multi-billion-dollar light rail projects, we often included things like sidewalks and things that weren't necessarily Uh, germane to the actual, uh, light rail tracks or, or stations.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1816", "start": 10403.451, "end": 10419.717, "text": "And in this case, I would hope that the school district would provide this for the neighborhood, provide this small benefit, because there are, as we heard, there are very few sidewalks and safe places to walk in this neighborhood, certainly very few flat ones, and this is one of the only ones.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1817", "start": 10419.83, "end": 10434.587, "text": "So I would also consider upholding the appeal number 2 for that little teeny improvement and would hope that the, um, school district would find it as a partner, uh, willing to make that improvement.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1818", "start": 10436.182, "end": 10437.093, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1819", "start": 10437.305, "end": 10437.777, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1820", "start": 10440.588, "end": 10441.557, "text": "Uh, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1821", "start": 10442.041, "end": 10445.415, "text": "Thanks for all the testimony today, uh, in particular the young people.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1822", "start": 10445.754, "end": 10450.479, "text": "Um, I don't think I would have ever gone to a land use hearing when I was in high school, so good on you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1823", "start": 10451.937, "end": 10453.176, "text": "You should run for city council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1824", "start": 10456.641, "end": 10458.937, "text": "I think I'm moving in Councilor Zimmerman's direction.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1825", "start": 10458.985, "end": 10471.545, "text": "I think the points that you started with are salient, which is we have to confine ourselves to the quasi-judicial choice before us and the matters under what's legal and what's not.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1826", "start": 10471.626, "end": 10480.933, "text": "And so I'm not sure it's appropriate to apply the conditions, the first ones, But I'm not, you know, I can be open to persuasion there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1827", "start": 10481.367, "end": 10482.46, "text": "I get the impulse.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1828", "start": 10482.926, "end": 10496.149, "text": "I think that if the idea is to have a cycling route where bicycles are moving at a high rate of speed, like, I would expect that bicyclists in this town would not do so in the middle of a school drop-off and pickup.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1829", "start": 10496.31, "end": 10498.913, "text": "Like, there's a certain amount of, like, practical discretion that would happen.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1830", "start": 10498.961, "end": 10504.611, "text": "And I think what I got from the applicant's case was this understanding that It's going to happen anyway.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1831", "start": 10504.675, "end": 10509.675, "text": "We just don't want to put it into the deed, more or less, or the sort of zoning decision.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1832", "start": 10509.803, "end": 10526.965, "text": "So I'm on the fence on that one, but I'm, I'm definitely grateful for the willingness of the applicant to meet the community and say, hey, uh, here are some, here are some more permissive, um, conditions that we can offer you in good faith so we can get to yes here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1833", "start": 10527.734, "end": 10533.279, "text": "Um, that, that that still gives the school the ability to protect these students, especially today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1834", "start": 10533.375, "end": 10536.82, "text": "We're, you know, learning that there's yet another atrocity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1835", "start": 10536.868, "end": 10541.067, "text": "And so that's particularly compelling to me.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1836", "start": 10541.147, "end": 10548.791, "text": "So I don't know if there's something being crafted in the ether and when that happens, but that's the direction I'm going.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1837", "start": 10549.384, "end": 10549.624, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1838", "start": 10549.784, "end": 10550.473, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1839", "start": 10550.986, "end": 10552.076, "text": "Colleagues, I put myself in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1840", "start": 10552.268, "end": 10560.835, "text": "I just want to say that I am supportive of the motion that we had discussed to tentatively, uh, or to deny the appeal but to add the new conditions as offered by PPS.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1841", "start": 10561.397, "end": 10588.687, "text": "Um, I will just note that the additional conditions that the, the, uh, appellants are asking for, um, are not in our zoning code, and that if we do grant those, they can— they are appealable to the Land Use Board of Appeals, and there is no— there's no, no background, uh, no precedent to be able to support those additional so I would be very supportive of the motion to, as Councilor Zimmerman had framed it, to deny the appeal but to add the additional conditions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1842", "start": 10590.38, "end": 10591.482, "text": "And that's all I have to say about that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1843", "start": 10591.546, "end": 10592.746, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, take it away.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1844", "start": 10592.908, "end": 10594.869, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1845", "start": 10596.12, "end": 10606.12, "text": "You know, unsurprisingly, I'm interested generally in figuring out how we can push the limits on the requirements for public access, public space, public use.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1846", "start": 10606.578, "end": 10626.036, "text": "And the proposal that was brought forward by the applicants, I think, allows us to capture the need for public access and use here without having to push the limits on what our current laws and codes allow, which is fantastic.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1847", "start": 10626.117, "end": 10626.865, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1848", "start": 10626.946, "end": 10631.155, "text": "So I'm very interested in that piece of the motion that was made previously.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1849", "start": 10632.203, "end": 10644.502, "text": "Councilor Clark, I also heard your appeal to see if there were places where there was a legal argument to move on some of the other appeals that were brought forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1850", "start": 10644.55, "end": 10648.291, "text": "And Lauren, I'm wondering if you can help me understand something.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1851", "start": 10648.42, "end": 10657.058, "text": "We heard from the appellants as it related to, I believe it's request number 3, the road access.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1852", "start": 10658.214, "end": 10663.446, "text": "That this is in the neighborhood center plans.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1853", "start": 10663.574, "end": 10665.565, "text": "This is in a variety of other plans.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1854", "start": 10665.661, "end": 10693.883, "text": "I know that space is also designated on our Southwest Trails as trail access space, and I'm wondering if you can help me understand how those plans and that designation interact with the legal requirements that we need to hold this appeal to today, or if they don't affect the conditions that we can consider as it relates to appeals on this application.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1855", "start": 10696.02, "end": 10703.495, "text": "So I'm going to speak generally to how the law— and then I'd actually ask staff to come back up and talk about the specifics of the criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1856", "start": 10705.638, "end": 10713.307, "text": "Generally, when we have approval criteria, we have to the applicant has the burden to meet the approval criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1857", "start": 10713.932, "end": 10723.968, "text": "If we feel like the applicant is unable to meet the approval criteria, we can oppose a condition of approval, but that condition of approval must be necessary in order to meet the approval criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1858", "start": 10724.032, "end": 10729.563, "text": "That is, but for this condition, they would not be able to meet, meet the relevant criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1859", "start": 10730.316, "end": 10736.023, "text": "Staff can speak to the actual neighborhood plan and how it relates to the relevant approval criteria.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1860", "start": 10736.071, "end": 10736.167, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1861", "start": 10738.737, "end": 10760.366, "text": "Well, I, I heard reference to the transportation plan, and so actually I think that, you know, we could uphold the appeal and find that the approval criteria is not met for one of the approval criteria for connectivity or neighborhood plan statements about bicycle and pedestrian access.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1862", "start": 10761.563, "end": 10774.481, "text": "But I think the question about but where these plans come into play is when there's something else proposed on the property, when it's— there's a subdivision or there's some, some bigger project that gives the city the opportunity to require more things.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1863", "start": 10774.657, "end": 10776.613, "text": "And Tammy, do you want to speak to that?", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1864", "start": 10777.158, "end": 10782.495, "text": "Yes, I think your question was really focused on the access issues.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1865", "start": 10783.249, "end": 10802.376, "text": "I'm looking specifically at appeal request 3 and holding the fact that We do have these approval criteria, which are connected to these other plans that were brought up, but I understand that those only come into play at certain points.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1866", "start": 10802.665, "end": 10811.754, "text": "And given that, you know, we've heard a lot about what people want this to look like, but in this case, we're not a policy board, we're a quasi-judicial board.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1867", "start": 10811.802, "end": 10831.219, "text": "So I'm trying to understand whether there is A, um, whether there is a space here for us to make that decision or not based on how the plans relate to the approval criteria in this specific case.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1868", "start": 10832.04, "end": 10832.233, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1869", "start": 10832.314, "end": 10833.683, "text": "I apologize, I lost the thread a little bit.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1870", "start": 10833.731, "end": 10838.63, "text": "I thought we were talking about the, the pathway through the site, but number 3 being—.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1871", "start": 10838.726, "end": 10850.812, "text": "As it relates to, yes, the pathway through the site, appeal request number 3. was specifically the appeal request that has to do with public access for the bike and pedestrian path, I believe.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1872", "start": 10851.12, "end": 10852.059, "text": "Am I looking at the wrong one?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1873", "start": 10852.39, "end": 10852.454, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1874", "start": 10852.503, "end": 10853.444, "text": "I'm sorry, 1.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1875", "start": 10853.963, "end": 10854.077, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1876", "start": 10854.369, "end": 10855.067, "text": "Appeal 1.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1877", "start": 10855.343, "end": 10857.338, "text": "I apologize, I was looking at the wrong map.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1878", "start": 10857.77, "end": 10861.948, "text": "The green line on appeal— on path on Appeal 1.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1879", "start": 10862.223, "end": 10863.691, "text": "I apologize for the confusion there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1880", "start": 10864.353, "end": 10871.365, "text": "So the transportation system plan does not apply outside of the public right-of-way.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1881", "start": 10872.521, "end": 10887.683, "text": "The transportation system plan designated this as a major public bike route because of the major public trail designation, in case this ever redevelops in a way that allows us to create right-of-way.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1882", "start": 10887.747, "end": 10887.86, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1883", "start": 10888.936, "end": 10910.097, "text": "So it's not a binding requirement unless this is a residential subdivision, in which Or even beyond a residential subdivision, if schools, for example, sold off one piece of the property and that became a public right-of-way again, then there would be this access.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1884", "start": 10910.68, "end": 10922.065, "text": "The only zoning code requirement, the only code-based requirement to designate an easement or to build a public trail through here is only activated in this zone if there is a public right-of-way.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1885", "start": 10922.737, "end": 10926.332, "text": "Through a plan development, a residential plan development, or a subdivision.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1886", "start": 10926.926, "end": 10927.151, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1887", "start": 10927.504, "end": 10929.494, "text": "It does not apply in a conditional use review.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1888", "start": 10929.976, "end": 10931.003, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1889", "start": 10931.404, "end": 10933.876, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1890", "start": 10934.069, "end": 10934.855, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1891", "start": 10936.059, "end": 10936.316, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1892", "start": 10936.46, "end": 10950.23, "text": "Just, um, I'm not sure I get to ask questions of, um, of anybody, but, um, on the compromise proposal that Christy put forward on behalf of PPS.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1893", "start": 10950.775, "end": 10966.254, "text": "It mentions vandalism, and I'm wondering if, if you come back with— in 2 weeks, um, and we are able to dig into this, could you help us better define what level of vandalism it would require before the gates are closed to the public?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1894", "start": 10966.318, "end": 10968.419, "text": "I mean, just define that a little bit more.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1895", "start": 10969.43, "end": 10970.858, "text": "Um, that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1896", "start": 10971.13, "end": 10975.397, "text": "I don't know what definition of vandalism you're going to use in order to close the gates.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1897", "start": 10975.445, "end": 10996.984, "text": "Well, Secondly, I'm hoping that if we don't uphold the appeal, number one, that the school district will repair and widen that pathway because it is quite narrow and funky.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1898", "start": 10997.721, "end": 11005.911, "text": "And I don't know that I can ask for that, but I'm just going to put that out there because I have a feeling I'm not going to win here on upholding the appeal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1899", "start": 11006.007, "end": 11011.399, "text": "I'm not looking to Lauren first to answer that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1900", "start": 11011.993, "end": 11017.467, "text": "Um, so regarding the clarification of vandalism, it depends on what council intends to do today.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1901", "start": 11017.643, "end": 11024.064, "text": "So the record is closed, um, and there is opportunity for conversation with staff.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1902", "start": 11024.433, "end": 11036.056, "text": "Um, if council plans on making a tentative vote, the next steps are for staff to go back and work with the prevailing party and revise the findings and then come back for final adoption.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1903", "start": 11036.105, "end": 11045.53, "text": "So we would want to decide, um, today what, what that condition would be and what that motion is, if, if that is the plan.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1904", "start": 11045.966, "end": 11050.326, "text": "Um, I don't know if there's anything more from staff.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1905", "start": 11050.504, "end": 11058.947, "text": "Yeah, and then as far as widening the path, I'm going to defer to staff on kind of what the approval is and, and where that—.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1906", "start": 11059.383, "end": 11068.496, "text": "Can I, before, before Tammy speaks to that, I just Christy White, the attorney for the applicant, was just letting me know that information on vandalism is in the record already.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1907", "start": 11068.544, "end": 11071.538, "text": "So we can— so this wouldn't be adding to the records to talk about that.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1908", "start": 11071.603, "end": 11074.549, "text": "We can bring that forward as we discuss that for the findings.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1909", "start": 11074.839, "end": 11077.899, "text": "Okay, so information on— I think the question— okay, great.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1910", "start": 11080.943, "end": 11090.173, "text": "So as far as widening the path, as you've heard before, the existing school is the same capacity as the new school.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1911", "start": 11090.317, "end": 11093.622, "text": "So there's no increase in transportation impact.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1912", "start": 11094.327, "end": 11107.048, "text": "And so the hearing officer's decision specifically stated that since the impact is zero, he has no authority to require widening of the path.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1913", "start": 11107.802, "end": 11121.806, "text": "And so the central question in land use findings is not whether or not the improvement is a good idea, The central question is, do we have the authority to require it and who has to pay for it?", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1914", "start": 11122.48, "end": 11127.871, "text": "And so in this analysis, there is no increase in impact.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1915", "start": 11128.015, "end": 11133.967, "text": "And so requiring it as a condition of approval isn't necessarily supported by evidence in the record.", "speaker": "Tammy Bourne King" }, { "id": "cue-1916", "start": 11134.208, "end": 11138.62, "text": "Okay, I appreciate the legal side of this, the land use side of this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1917", "start": 11138.748, "end": 11142.411, "text": "I could just guarantee you that bicycles will still people use the street.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1918", "start": 11142.54, "end": 11144.361, "text": "They're not all going to ride on the path.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1919", "start": 11145.022, "end": 11152.548, "text": "And maybe the school district will find it in its heart to improve the path if we're required, and that, that's the only place people can go.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1920", "start": 11152.71, "end": 11155.187, "text": "But I guarantee you, people will continue to use the road.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1921", "start": 11158.989, "end": 11162.286, "text": "Okay, thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1922", "start": 11162.383, "end": 11178.039, "text": "Okay, colleagues, we have, uh, exhausted the queue on, uh, colleagues for all right, it's strange language, everybody, to say—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1923", "start": 11179.8, "end": 11186.555, "text": "I'm going to motion that we deny the appeal with new findings as were described earlier.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1924", "start": 11187.218, "end": 11187.477, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1925", "start": 11188.043, "end": 11188.561, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1926", "start": 11189.095, "end": 11191.1, "text": "I'm going to—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1927", "start": 11191.1, "end": 11191.731, "text": "I think—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1928", "start": 11191.731, "end": 11192.734, "text": "Can I just clarify?", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1929", "start": 11192.896, "end": 11207.545, "text": "So, um, I think, but correct me if I'm wrong, the motion is to tentatively deny the appeal, uphold the hearings officer's decision and the hearings officer's conditions of approval, but add the condition proposed by PPS.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1930", "start": 11207.642, "end": 11207.916, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1931", "start": 11208.045, "end": 11209.027, "text": "That's what I heard earlier.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1932", "start": 11209.252, "end": 11209.413, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1933", "start": 11209.912, "end": 11219.812, "text": "So everything's the same, just adding the condition proposed by PPS and then directing staff to return at a date and time certain with revised findings to reflect today's discussion.", "speaker": "Lauren King" }, { "id": "cue-1934", "start": 11219.925, "end": 11219.989, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Malcolm Simonoff" }, { "id": "cue-1935", "start": 11220.526, "end": 11229.709, "text": "Yeah, and the date and time certain that we have next available is our virtual meeting on 11/5 at 2:30 PM time certain.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1936", "start": 11231.583, "end": 11233.313, "text": "And yeah, and I want to just be really clear.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1937", "start": 11233.443, "end": 11244.972, "text": "I'm saying that because I have not seen from our discussion, or do I think there's a legal path to what I think is a safety concern at that corner on appeal issue number 2.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1938", "start": 11245.246, "end": 11259.42, "text": "I just, I don't see an upholdable one within our purview, which means the look goes to the developer, the PPS, which is, I think you have a lot of opportunity to make that corner better, to the point that Councilor Clark was making about the path.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1939", "start": 11260.367, "end": 11269.231, "text": "What we're finding ourselves here is to make it better is different than the letter of the law that this body has authority for, and that's a really tough needle to thread.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1940", "start": 11269.6, "end": 11271.816, "text": "And I, and I recognize that challenge for everybody.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1941", "start": 11272.314, "end": 11272.554, "text": "So.", "speaker": "Andy Galizia" }, { "id": "cue-1942", "start": 11272.651, "end": 11272.779, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1943", "start": 11273.473, "end": 11273.779, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1944", "start": 11273.941, "end": 11275.199, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1945", "start": 11275.296, "end": 11279.83, "text": "Keelan, can we call the roll on Councilor Zimmerman's motion?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1946", "start": 11280.82, "end": 11282.196, "text": "May I ask who the second was?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1947", "start": 11282.455, "end": 11285.514, "text": "I'll give it to Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1948", "start": 11285.789, "end": 11286.647, "text": "We said at the same time.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1949", "start": 11286.987, "end": 11288.234, "text": "Okay, thank you so much.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1950", "start": 11288.299, "end": 11289.076, "text": "Rock, paper, scissors.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1951", "start": 11291.41, "end": 11291.686, "text": "Clark.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1952", "start": 11292.222, "end": 11292.27, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1953", "start": 11293.033, "end": 11293.261, "text": "Green.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1954", "start": 11293.602, "end": 11293.78, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1955", "start": 11294.511, "end": 11294.884, "text": "Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1956", "start": 11295.55, "end": 11295.647, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1957", "start": 11296.362, "end": 11296.67, "text": "Avalos.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1958", "start": 11296.93, "end": 11297.043, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1959", "start": 11297.612, "end": 11297.888, "text": "Smith.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1960", "start": 11298.553, "end": 11298.57, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1961", "start": 11300.862, "end": 11300.991, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-1962", "start": 11301.345, "end": 11301.393, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1963", "start": 11301.828, "end": 11301.844, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1964", "start": 11302.713, "end": 11302.729, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1965", "start": 11303.599, "end": 11303.776, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-1966", "start": 11305.37, "end": 11305.418, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" }, { "id": "cue-1967", "start": 11306.352, "end": 11306.368, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tuyen Nguyen" }, { "id": "cue-1968", "start": 11306.737, "end": 11306.785, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1969", "start": 11307.476, "end": 11311.943, "text": "Uh, the motion carries with 12 ayes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1970", "start": 11311.991, "end": 11315.446, "text": "Okay, the motion to deny the appeal has passed with 12 ayes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1971", "start": 11315.51, "end": 11319.262, "text": "The appeal is tentatively denied with additional new conditions added.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1972", "start": 11319.842, "end": 11325.847, "text": "Council Clerk and City Attorney, do we have a date and time certain for this matter, which is— I just said was the 11th November 5th.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1973", "start": 11326.026, "end": 11331.118, "text": "November 5th at 2:30 PM for this matter to return to council for a final vote and adoption of findings.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1974", "start": 11334.22, "end": 11335.553, "text": "Lauren, is there anything else I need to do on this?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1975", "start": 11338.156, "end": 11343.518, "text": "Okay, this matter will return to council on Wednesday, October— Wednesday, November 23rd.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1976", "start": 11343.68, "end": 11345.408, "text": "I'm sorry, Jesus, I'm reading the wrong thing.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1977", "start": 11345.92, "end": 11351.899, "text": "Wednesday, November 5th at 2:30 PM for the adoption of findings and a final vote.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1978", "start": 11353.07, "end": 11357.882, "text": "Colleagues, our next item is going to be hold on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1979", "start": 11357.931, "end": 11359.207, "text": "I have I have language on this one.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1980", "start": 11360.76, "end": 11366.448, "text": "We are going to hold over our next item, document 2026-343.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1981", "start": 11366.529, "end": 11374.562, "text": "We're going to move this to a time certain on sorry, I don't have that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1982", "start": 11374.642, "end": 11375.205, "text": "Oh, there we go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1983", "start": 11375.398, "end": 11377.519, "text": "Thursday, October 29th at two thirty.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1984", "start": 11377.62, "end": 11379.703, "text": "30 PM, time certain.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1985", "start": 11380.463, "end": 11384.776, "text": "And item 2026-123 is postponed to a future meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1986", "start": 11386.172, "end": 11387.387, "text": "With that, we are adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1987", "start": 11387.486, "end": 11388.027, "text": "Thank you, everybody.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1988", "start": 11391.255, "end": 11393.032, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eileen Lorber" } ] }