{ "meetingId": "2026-10-13-pwc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Public Works Committee 10/13/26", "displayTitle": "Public Works Committee", "date": "2026-10-13T08:20:00-07:00", "duration": 172, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYbmLvLvD3M", "videoId": "bYbmLvLvD3M", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/public-works-committee/2026/10/13", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 1, "title": "Citywide Asset Management Strategy", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-358" }, { "number": 2, "title": "Local regulation of automated vehicles", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-357" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Amend Transportation Fee Schedule to establish an event parking rate within the Lloyd Event District and Zone V Parking Permit Area (amend TRN 3.450)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/amend-trn-3450-transportation-fee-schedule" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Authorize the acceptance of real property from the Oregon Department of Transportation and approve a Memorandum of Understanding for future property transactions", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/authorized-trade-odot-land-along-sw-naito-parkway" } ], "summary": "**The Public Works Committee referred two Portland Bureau of Transportation ordinances to the full City Council on 5-0 votes while hearing — and splitting over — a staff proposal to regulate self-driving taxis that two members said should simply be banned.**\n\n## Self-driving cars draw a ban demand\n\nPBOT returned with a package of draft code and administrative rules to govern commercial \"robotaxi\" service on city streets, framed around a fear that the 2027 Legislature could strip Portland's authority to regulate the industry. Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen said Waymo has been mapping Portland since April and that the company presented to a House committee in Salem in September. She cited an Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study finding Waymo vehicles were \"involved in **68% fewer crashes** than human drivers\" per mile ([01:02:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:02:00)), while noting PBOT still wants to examine the data.\n\nThe staff plan would cap the first-year autonomous-vehicle fleet at roughly **1.5%** of Portland's private-for-hire fleet ([01:17:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:17:00)) — against more than 15,000 permitted Uber and Lyft drivers — require 50,000 testing miles before paid rides, mandate battery-electric vehicles registered in Oregon, and bar data sales.\n\nCouncil Vice President Olivia Clark (District 4), who presided and introduced the item, said she does not think the city is \"really ready for these vehicles... and I'm afraid they're coming\" ([00:54:05](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:54:05)), arguing a local framework is the best defense against preemption. Two members disagreed outright. Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) said \"I think we should just ban it,\" floating an amendment to replace all the text with \"all vehicles require a human driver\" plus a repeal of the 2017 resolution directing the work ([01:39:31](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:39:31)). He called the data-privacy rules unenforceable and warned of transfers \"to ICE and other malign actors,\" closing: \"I am begging my colleagues not to actively support the creation of a dystopia in our city\" ([01:44:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:44:00)). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) said she wanted \"to start with no,\" adding that Waymos \"feel creepy when I see them\" ([01:36:43](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:36:43)).\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) pressed on job losses and rider safety for elderly passengers, telling staff \"it didn't seem like you all really cared about that to me\" ([01:28:27](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:28:27)). Cohen answered that \"there's no way around a significant economic impact to drivers who are replaced\" ([01:27:26](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@01:27:26)). Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) backed Kanal's direction and said autonomous vehicles generate more vehicle miles traveled; if a ban fails, he said, his next choice is requiring a human safety operator. PBOT will return October 27 with an ordinance.\n\n## Lloyd event-parking rate rises to $8\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance raising the hourly event-parking rate in part of the Eliot neighborhood from **$5.40 to $8** on the highest-demand blocks ([02:14:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:14:00)), passing **5-0** ([02:41:08](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:41:08)). Parking District Project Manager Raylee Stark said peak occupancy during a March 2026 Blazers and Winterhawks game hit **96%** ([02:14:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:14:00)), with PBOT aiming to keep occupancy under 85%.\n\nJason Franklin, a 28-year resident at 1907 NE Rodney Avenue, said his $155 annual permit \"in no way guarantees\" a space on a game day — \"we just, we don't go out\" ([02:16:25](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:16:25)) — and urged a yes vote. Eliot Neighborhood Association co-chair Alan Redwick called the program \"semi-failing,\" saying about $25,000 a year from residents plus roughly $750,000 in meter revenue is \"going to not accomplish anything,\" and doubted $8 is enough ([02:18:49](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:18:49)). He read a proposed three-part amendment to launch a North Northeast Parking District. Kanal, whose district includes the area, declined to attach it to this ordinance, saying the broader plan deserves its own vehicle. Kanal moved the referral and Smith seconded.\n\n## ODOT land transfer referred\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance accepting two Oregon Department of Transportation parcels near Southwest Naito Parkway and South Sherman Street, plus a memorandum of understanding for future transfers, on a **5-0** vote ([02:51:02](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:51:02)). Real Property Services Division Manager David McEldowney said the parcels ranked high on a draft list of candidate affordable-housing sites ([02:47:46](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@02:47:46)). Kanal, who seconded Green's motion, backed land banking for future affordable or social housing. (The clerk announced five ayes; the transcribed roll recorded ayes from Green, Smith, Koyama Lane, and Clark, with Kanal's aye not captured.)\n\n## Citywide asset strategy placed on file\n\nClark's committee took its first look at Portland's first citywide asset management strategy, presented by Chief Asset Management Officer Emily Trish and Deputy Director Tate White of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability. The city manages an estimated **$82 billion** in infrastructure, much of it \"on the verge of failure,\" Clark said ([00:13:06](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:13:06)). City Administrator Raymond Lee told the committee \"this elected body did not put us in the position that we are in today\" ([00:09:24](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:09:24)) and pointed to future bond conversations. White said every $1 of planned maintenance can avoid roughly $5 to $10 of reactive repair ([00:22:34](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:22:34)).\n\nSmith said the presentation was \"underwhelming,\" having expected a registry showing each bureau's assets and dollar values rather than percentages ([00:36:00](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:36:00)). Interim Deputy City Administrator for Public Works Millicent Williams said lists, maps, and dashboards would come when Trish returns in January ([00:38:28](meeting:2026-10-13-pwc-1@00:38:28)). The item was placed on file.\n\n## What's next\n\nPBOT returns to the committee October 27 with an autonomous-vehicle ordinance; any resulting administrative rules would not take effect before July 1, 2027, and more state AV legislation is expected in the 2027 session. A citywide asset-management financial strategy is due before the committee in winter 2026 with the chief financial officer, and Trish is to bring data lists and maps in January and implementation refinements to the full council in spring. PBOT plans to bring the North Northeast Parking Plan forward after six to eight weeks of outreach, likely in January; Green said he may propose timeline language before the Lloyd parking ordinance reaches full council.", "summaryText": "The Public Works Committee referred two Portland Bureau of Transportation ordinances to the full City Council on 5-0 votes while hearing — and splitting over — a staff proposal to regulate self-driving taxis that two members said should simply be banned.\n\nPBOT returned with a package of draft code and administrative rules to govern commercial \"robotaxi\" service on city streets, framed around a fear that the 2027 Legislature could strip Portland's authority to regulate the industry. Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen said Waymo has been mapping Portland since April and that the company presented to a House committee in Salem in September. She cited an Insurance Institute for Highway Safety study finding Waymo vehicles were \"involved in 68% fewer crashes than human drivers\" per mile (01:02:00), while noting PBOT still wants to examine the data.\n\nThe staff plan would cap the first-year autonomous-vehicle fleet at roughly 1.5% of Portland's private-for-hire fleet (01:17:00) — against more than 15,000 permitted Uber and Lyft drivers — require 50,000 testing miles before paid rides, mandate battery-electric vehicles registered in Oregon, and bar data sales.\n\nCouncil Vice President Olivia Clark (District 4), who presided and introduced the item, said she does not think the city is \"really ready for these vehicles... and I'm afraid they're coming\" (00:54:05), arguing a local framework is the best defense against preemption. Two members disagreed outright. Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) said \"I think we should just ban it,\" floating an amendment to replace all the text with \"all vehicles require a human driver\" plus a repeal of the 2017 resolution directing the work (01:39:31). He called the data-privacy rules unenforceable and warned of transfers \"to ICE and other malign actors,\" closing: \"I am begging my colleagues not to actively support the creation of a dystopia in our city\" (01:44:00). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) said she wanted \"to start with no,\" adding that Waymos \"feel creepy when I see them\" (01:36:43).\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) pressed on job losses and rider safety for elderly passengers, telling staff \"it didn't seem like you all really cared about that to me\" (01:28:27). Cohen answered that \"there's no way around a significant economic impact to drivers who are replaced\" (01:27:26). Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) backed Kanal's direction and said autonomous vehicles generate more vehicle miles traveled; if a ban fails, he said, his next choice is requiring a human safety operator. PBOT will return October 27 with an ordinance.\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance raising the hourly event-parking rate in part of the Eliot neighborhood from $5.40 to $8 on the highest-demand blocks (02:14:00), passing 5-0 (02:41:08). Parking District Project Manager Raylee Stark said peak occupancy during a March 2026 Blazers and Winterhawks game hit 96% (02:14:00), with PBOT aiming to keep occupancy under 85%.\n\nJason Franklin, a 28-year resident at 1907 NE Rodney Avenue, said his $155 annual permit \"in no way guarantees\" a space on a game day — \"we just, we don't go out\" (02:16:25) — and urged a yes vote. Eliot Neighborhood Association co-chair Alan Redwick called the program \"semi-failing,\" saying about $25,000 a year from residents plus roughly $750,000 in meter revenue is \"going to not accomplish anything,\" and doubted $8 is enough (02:18:49). He read a proposed three-part amendment to launch a North Northeast Parking District. Kanal, whose district includes the area, declined to attach it to this ordinance, saying the broader plan deserves its own vehicle. Kanal moved the referral and Smith seconded.\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance accepting two Oregon Department of Transportation parcels near Southwest Naito Parkway and South Sherman Street, plus a memorandum of understanding for future transfers, on a 5-0 vote (02:51:02). Real Property Services Division Manager David McEldowney said the parcels ranked high on a draft list of candidate affordable-housing sites (02:47:46). Kanal, who seconded Green's motion, backed land banking for future affordable or social housing. (The clerk announced five ayes; the transcribed roll recorded ayes from Green, Smith, Koyama Lane, and Clark, with Kanal's aye not captured.)\n\nClark's committee took its first look at Portland's first citywide asset management strategy, presented by Chief Asset Management Officer Emily Trish and Deputy Director Tate White of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability. The city manages an estimated $82 billion in infrastructure, much of it \"on the verge of failure,\" Clark said (00:13:06). City Administrator Raymond Lee told the committee \"this elected body did not put us in the position that we are in today\" (00:09:24) and pointed to future bond conversations. White said every $1 of planned maintenance can avoid roughly $5 to $10 of reactive repair (00:22:34).\n\nSmith said the presentation was \"underwhelming,\" having expected a registry showing each bureau's assets and dollar values rather than percentages (00:36:00). Interim Deputy City Administrator for Public Works Millicent Williams said lists, maps, and dashboards would come when Trish returns in January (00:38:28). The item was placed on file.\n\nPBOT returns to the committee October 27 with an autonomous-vehicle ordinance; any resulting administrative rules would not take effect before July 1, 2027, and more state AV legislation is expected in the 2027 session. A citywide asset-management financial strategy is due before the committee in winter 2026 with the chief financial officer, and Trish is to bring data lists and maps in January and implementation refinements to the full council in spring. PBOT plans to bring the North Northeast Parking Plan forward after six to eight weeks of outreach, likely in January; Green said he may propose timeline language before the Lloyd parking ordinance reaches full council.", "summaryLede": "The Public Works Committee referred two Portland Bureau of Transportation ordinances to the full City Council on 5-0 votes while hearing — and splitting over — a staff proposal to regulate self-driving taxis that two members said should simply be banned.", "sections": [ { "title": "Regular Agenda", "startTime": "00:06:03.220", "endTime": "02:51:45.438", "items": [ { "title": "Citywide Asset Management Strategy (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:06:03.220", "endTime": "00:54:02.541", "agendaItemNumber": 1 }, { "title": "Local regulation of automated vehicles (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:54:02.541", "endTime": "02:05:52.942", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Amend Transportation Fee Schedule to establish an event parking rate within the Lloyd 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456.554, "text": "Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-34", "start": 457.051, "end": 458.927, "text": "Your testimony should address the matter being considered.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-35", "start": 458.991, "end": 460.755, "text": "When testifying, state your name for the record.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-36", "start": 460.803, "end": 463.32, "text": "If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-37", "start": 463.56, "end": 466.237, "text": "Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-38", "start": 466.43, "end": 466.75, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 467.552, "end": 468.946, "text": "Thank you, Christopher.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 469.011, "end": 474.862, "text": "Colleagues, today we have a very full, meaty agenda, very meaty topics.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 475.022, "end": 479.158, "text": "We're going to spend the first part of our meeting discussing the citywide asset management strategy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 479.912, "end": 483.495, "text": "And then move to policy concepts for regulating autonomous vehicles.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 484.25, "end": 487.56, "text": "We'll take a break, and we have 2 ordinances from PBOT.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 487.624, "end": 499.193, "text": "First is an ordinance to address parking issues in the Lloyd District, Lloyd Event District, and the second ordinance is a real property transfer and an MOU between ODOT and PBOT.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 500.012, "end": 505.877, "text": "So with that, um, Diana, could you please call the first item?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 507.667, "end": 515.288, "text": "Item number 1, document number 2026-358, Citywide Asset Management Strategy.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 516.755, "end": 520.746, "text": "Colleagues, you know this is our long-anticipated citywide asset management strategy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 521.085, "end": 524.51, "text": "It's here, uh, almost complete.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 525.043, "end": 537.659, "text": "Um, I'm delighted to welcome our city's first-ever Chief Asset Management Officer, Emily I know there are some people that want to call your last name Trench, which we think would be very appropriate for Public Works.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 538.365, "end": 544.606, "text": "And Emily is here along with Tate White, who's been 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"start": 659.609, "end": 681.881, "text": "There's no other avenue for us to really explore financially outside of looking at those financial tools to bring us back into a condition that we all see as sufficient for our city of our size and scope and the services that we're delivering to a vast community and really region.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 682.379, "end": 690.87, "text": "'Cause we know we talk about the city of Portland's population roughly around 650,000, but our region population is 2.4 million.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 691.689, "end": 702.186, "text": "And that region still uses this city as a hub for resources and services, and that has a tremendous amount of impact on our resources as a city.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 702.78, "end": 716.47, "text": "One of the biggest things that concerned me when coming into the city and getting a tour— Tate at that time was a part of that tour— and looking at our assets as a whole, it's very concerning, uh, the condition that we're in as a city.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 717.047, "end": 730.341, "text": "Uh, and I can say right now we're not at the position that I would say, from my professional expertise, We need to be as a city as it relates to the investments that we're making in the assets and infrastructure that we have as a city.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 730.869, "end": 732.648, "text": "So I welcome this conversation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 732.76, "end": 735.068, "text": "I want to be at the forefront of this conversation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 735.164, "end": 761.12, "text": "This is a part of the reason that we're dedicated, and thank you, Council, for approving the budget to upgrade, uh, this position in the city, uh, so 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"id": "cue-80", "start": 806.721, "end": 807.974, "text": "We knew the gravity of it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 808.489, "end": 812.136, "text": "We had read the auditor's reports about how bad off we are.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 812.666, "end": 825.473, "text": "And some of us talk about it all the time in the community because I don't think the community, the people who live in Portland, understand that we own over $80 billion worth of assets and so many of them are on the verge of failure.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 826.163, "end": 827.626, "text": "So this is critical.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 828.06, "end": 830.221, "text": "So much appreciate your leadership in this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 831.335, "end": 835.255, "text": "So let's call up our 2 folks, Emily and Tate.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 835.916, "end": 842.264, "text": "Do you want to come on up and walk us through this, give us a little status report?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 842.585, "end": 843.373, "text": "And welcome.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 844.514, "end": 845.623, "text": "Good to see you again, Tate.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 845.72, "end": 846.507, "text": "And Emily, welcome.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 846.941, "end": 849.159, "text": "First time, I think, before a committee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 850.16, "end": 850.714, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 851.96, "end": 852.605, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 852.961, "end": 859.617, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark, Vice Chair Smith, good morning, Councilor Smith and Councilors Koyama Lane, Kanal, and Green.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 860.21, "end": 861.622, "text": "My name is Tate White.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 861.814, "end": 866.914, "text": "I use she/they pronouns, and I'm the Deputy Director of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 867.828, "end": 877.097, "text": "While I get us set up, I am really thrilled to introduce, um, Chief Asset Management Officer Emily Trish, our first one.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 877.37, "end": 879.471, "text": "Do you want to say a few opening remarks, Emily?", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 879.631, "end": 880.593, "text": "Sure, thank you.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 881.7, "end": 882.405, "text": "Good morning, Council.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 882.502, "end": 886.591, "text": "My name is Emily Trish, and I am your Chief Asset Management Officer.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 886.832, "end": 892.059, "text": "I'm very happy to be here joining you in this important mission for infrastructure and for Portland.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 892.684, "end": 898.456, "text": "I want to thank you for your vision recognizing infrastructure asset management as foundational to Portland's future.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 899.498, "end": 905.286, "text": "The infrastructure we plan, build, operate, and maintain is more than just a collection of physical assets.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 905.495, "end": 911.042, "text": "It underpins our economy, it's key to public safety, and it supports the quality of life of every Portlander.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 912.068, "end": 925.76, "text": "Going forward, we will create a shared approach to managing our assets supporting better-informed decisions, directing resources where they provide the greatest value, and strengthening our ability to deliver for Portland's needs today and for the long term.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 926.675, "end": 930.577, "text": "So the strategy you'll be receiving this morning is an important step in this process.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 931.669, "end": 940.709, "text": "I'm looking forward to working with partners across the city to align our efforts, making the best use of our resources, and delivering better outcomes for the people we serve.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 941.589, "end": 945.885, "text": "Now I'll turn it back over to Deputy Director White to present the asset management strategy.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 948.19, "end": 951.521, "text": "All right, thank you, Officer Trish.", "speaker": "Tate 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backbone of public services to our community, because that's really what it's about.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 1049.501, "end": 1061.001, "text": "So the City Asset Managers Group, also known as CAMG for short, has been producing an annual report on the status and condition of the city's infrastructure for over 20 years.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 1061.113, "end": 1062.765, "text": "That's actually in city policy.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 1064.224, "end": 1072.083, "text": "In the June presentation, I mentioned that we are working on this report in tandem with the strategy, and it is provided as an attachment.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-122", "start": 1073.061, "end": 1077.231, "text": "Dozens of professionals and data systems contribute to this annual report.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-123", "start": 1077.696, "end": 1082.536, "text": "And it provides good 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"id": "cue-128", "start": 1124.413, "end": 1145.101, "text": "So the City of Portland, as we've been discussing, manages an estimated $82 billion in public infrastructure spanning water, sewer, transportation, parks and natural areas, civic facilities, emergency response equipment, technology systems, cultural venues, and economic development properties.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 1146.159, "end": 1153.985, "text": "The value shown is known as replacement value, which means the capital cost of rebuilding something in today's monetary value.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 1155.22, "end": 1157.209, "text": "$82 billion is a lot of money.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 1157.61, "end": 1161.727, "text": "So even the smaller percentages on here are really significant values.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 1163.362, "end": 1173.82, "text": "We are providing some citywide highlights 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"start": 1209.763, "end": 1214.157, "text": "While many asset portfolios are in fair to good condition, Which is of note.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-138", "start": 1215.119, "end": 1228.168, "text": "Others, particularly transportation pavement, parks facilities, public safety facilities, and older cultural venues, have a growing— have growing shares of assets in poor to very poor condition.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-139", "start": 1229.322, "end": 1236.647, "text": "In some instances, a level of poor condition is both expected and strategically managed with a run-to-failure approach.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-140", "start": 1237.176, "end": 1240.96, "text": "We talked about this last time, and I used the example of tires on a car.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 1241.569, "end": 1244.663, "text": "You wouldn't necessarily replace them all when they're in fair condition.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": 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"cue-146", "start": 1293.853, "end": 1301.567, "text": "This perspective is important because it shows the significance of each bureau's reported funding gap relative to the size of their portfolio.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-147", "start": 1305.072, "end": 1317.213, "text": "Resulting, resulting failures of assets from lack of investment can challenge service reliability, safety, access, and livability for Portlanders.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-148", "start": 1318.052, "end": 1326.513, "text": "If we don't invest in asset management, we are likely to see exponentially increasing closures and decreases in services to to the community.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-149", "start": 1327.93, "end": 1336.724, "text": "We risk catastrophic failures of major assets like bridges, with escalating negative impacts to public safety and economic development.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-150", "start": 1339.67, "end": 1360.187, "text": "Failures of some assets could lead to major service disruptions and threats to public health and environmental quality, and continued deterioration of amenities will have cumulative negative impacts on community experience and quality of life.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-151", "start": 1361.4, "end": 1366.518, "text": "Issues will continue to be pushed off on future generations and become more and more costly.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-152", "start": 1370.798, "end": 1378.175, "text": "Early intervention in an asset's deterioration cycle helps prevent these more significant and costly failures.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-153", "start": 1379.44, "end": 1384.132, "text": "Asset management can be used to achieve efficiencies and cost savings.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-154", "start": 1385.03, "end": 1392.454, "text": "For example, every $1 of planned maintenance can avoid roughly $5 to $10 of reactive repair.", "speaker": "Tate 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prioritizing care for what we own over building new, funding maintenance, and so on are all opportunities to chip away at a challenge that's compounded over time.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1437.405, "end": 1449.603, "text": "Implementing the objectives and actions of the strategy will provide improved systems and tools to better understand the risk and value trade-offs of prioritizing one gap over another.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1450.967, "end": 1454, "text": "And so I'm going to pass it to Emily for this slide.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1454.418, "end": 1454.674, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1454.723, "end": 1460.147, "text": "Well, uh, Council, as part of our annual asset status and condition reporting, we like to share some accomplishments.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1460.356, "end": 1473.517, "text": "And also relevant to the work products before you, uh, we want to share, uh, some initiatives going on across the organization, and these are aligned directly with City's financial— City Financial Policy 2.19 on asset management.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1474.464, "end": 1482.633, "text": "Solutions, efficiencies, and innovations like these will be amplified and extended through implementation of the strategy that we'll be discussing in a moment.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1483.387, "end": 1491.203, "text": "This list is, of course, not exhaustive, but merely representative of the great work that asset managers across the organization are doing all the time.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1491.978, "end": 1506.591, "text": "So clockwise from the upper left, I wanted to highlight the Water Bureau's efforts to predict future water main failures by developing renewal rate recommendations, managing future service levels.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1507.594, "end": 1511.86, "text": "The data in this chart is based on failure rates and replacement rates of Portland pipes.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1513.536, "end": 1521.124, "text": "In the innovation category, BES is rolling out this Fall, AI pipe defect grading.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1521.316, "end": 1528.472, "text": "And so this is utilizing technology to identify some defects that we can address before they become larger failures.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1530.17, "end": 1535.741, "text": "The facilities team is currently working to implement the capital planning module in FacilityForce.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1535.854, "end": 1541.408, "text": "And so this will help to optimize their capital portfolio.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1542.539, "end": 1547.334, "text": "On the bottom right, you're familiar with some of the financial tools recently rolled out and approved through council.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1547.399, "end": 1547.593, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1549.642, "end": 1554.475, "text": "Through the passage of the Transportation Utility Fee and the Street Damage Restoration Fee.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1555.727, "end": 1562.905, "text": "This includes funding also to help with the sidewalk improvements as part of the Sidewalk Improvement and Paving Program, the SIP.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1564.237, "end": 1577.484, "text": "And then finally, I want to call out the, the work with both PBOT and Parks and Rec in partnership with the Bureau of Transportation implementing the same updated cloud version of Maximo, which is an enterprise asset management tool.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1577.564, "end": 1577.677, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1578.385, "end": 1584.037, "text": "And this will improve the interoperability and provide lower long-term support costs over alternatives.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1584.182, "end": 1589.328, "text": "So we're making progress all the time, and we hope to ramp it up as part of the strategy implementation.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1589.996, "end": 1590.42, "text": "Back to you, Tate.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1592.463, "end": 1593.574, "text": "Thank you, Officer Trish.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1594.477, "end": 1606.145, "text": "So this slide serves as a reminder of the work dozens of people across the city engaged in to develop the citywide asset management strategy that we're presenting today.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1609.578, "end": 1615.798, "text": "I'm going to read out the vision to give you all time to absorb it, but I first want to note that this is really forward-looking.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1616.476, "end": 1617.753, "text": "It's more long-term.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1618.254, "end": 1629.341, "text": "The objectives and the actions of the strategy we envision will be implemented sooner, and we see this as a living document that will be revisited and updated over time.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1631.5, "end": 1633.685, "text": "So getting back to the vision, it's 2035.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1634.922, "end": 1637.102, "text": "And what, what do we want to see?", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1638.048, "end": 1656.724, "text": "Portland at that time will deliver reliable, equitable services promoted or supported by mature integrated asset management systems where decisions are data-informed and transparent, reduce risk, and deliver value for community over an asset's life cycle.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1657.846, "end": 1667.556, "text": "Portlanders will enjoy dependable services that meet community expectations and support positive social, economic, and environmental outcomes.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1670.347, "end": 1685.239, "text": "So the first paragraph of this vision is rather internally focused, and that's because the strategy is really focused on getting the organization better equipped to manage assets more effectively across bureaus.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1686.306, "end": 1695.111, "text": "However, the strategy also considers how we would better integrate equity and community impacts and level of service planning, analysis, and decision-making.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1695.321, "end": 1702.953, "text": "So that second sentence connects asset management practices to responsibly providing services to the community.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1705.568, "end": 1708.998, "text": "So here's a collection of the strategy's 6 objectives.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1709.515, "end": 1712.217, "text": "We will be walking through a slide for each one.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1715, "end": 1718.617, "text": "So Objective 1 focuses on establishing asset management governance.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1719.107, "end": 1727.009, "text": "And organizational capacity, which is considered a critical immediate action to serve as a catalyst for the other objectives.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1728.602, "end": 1735.668, "text": "We will talk about 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"Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1870.372, "end": 1875.85, "text": "The strategy goes into more detail about actionable next steps to achieve these objectives.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1876.432, "end": 1886.446, "text": "Critical to this one is recognizing the various factors that should be considered to define trade-offs and assess risk so informed decisions can be made.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1887.6, "end": 1892.847, "text": "Decision-making criteria is a recommended tool to provide guidance for these critical choices.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1895.436, "end": 1901.104, "text": "Objective 4 states that decisions should be grounded in life cycle reality, equity, and community need.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1901.957, "end": 1908.455, "text": "As discussed in Objective 1, it's important to connect service commitments to life cycle costs and 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and inform decision criteria.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1949.248, "end": 1973.863, "text": "Establishing a scalable citywide method for applying seismic and climate change information to prioritization is also included and should be incorporated into the previous with various initiatives like the climate change risk assessment and action plan happening right now, we have the opportunity to integrate a resilience lens into all city assessments and plans.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1976.3, "end": 1984.898, "text": "Okay, the final objective— we're almost there— is focused on earning public trust through meaningful engagement, performance management, and reporting.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1985.824, "end": 2010.519, "text": "A key action to help guide this is the establishment of citywide community engagement expectations, which include defining minimum standards for engagement on asset and service decisions, applying best practices to promote inclusive, representative, and transparent engagement, utilizing tools like effective communication and language access to define levels of service.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 2011.806, "end": 2016.455, "text": "And closing the feedback loop through continuous engagement that explains trade-offs.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 2017.26, "end": 2026.533, "text": "The other actions to achieve this objective focus on developing systems to track performance and be transparent with the community about service outcomes.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 2029.732, "end": 2035.492, "text": "So we will start to close by looking back to the first objective on asset management governance.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 2036.234, "end": 2040.575, "text": "This chart shows a recommendation for what that could look like moving forward to successfully implement the strategy.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 2043.716, "end": 2055.734, "text": "The Chief Asset Management Officer will hold authority and accountability for developing and implementing citywide asset management standards, processes, and system decisions.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 2058.639, "end": 2076.227, "text": "The Executive Steering Committee that was made up of DCAs for strategy development would shift to being made up of directors of asset-owning and enabling bureaus to have critical seats to advise on and make key decisions for how to implement the objectives and actions of the strategy.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 2077.6, "end": 2086.201, "text": "Everyone has a role to play in infrastructure management for the city, and we look forward to working together to deliver on this work.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 2086.912, "end": 2089.458, "text": "And I'm going to pass it to Officer Trish to close.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 2091.26, "end": 2091.469, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 2091.533, "end": 2093.834, "text": "So looking forward, some next steps for you.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 2094.188, "end": 2102.589, "text": "Vice President Clark already indicated that there's a financial strategy that will be coming before you targeting winter of 2026, uh, with CFO Berry.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 2103.489, "end": 2113.596, "text": "Um, I, uh, plan to come before the larger council, uh, in the spring to offer some refinements and some details of implementation activities, uh, related to this strategy.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 2114.576, "end": 2122.434, "text": "Um, and part of that, uh, will be, um, working on risk framework, uh, service level targets, and evaluating for infrastructure performance.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 2122.691, "end": 2125.503, "text": "And so those were some of the objectives you heard about a moment ago.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 2126.146, "end": 2129.729, "text": "Looking at our decision framework and where our greatest areas of risk are.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 2130.099, "end": 2134.839, "text": "And so we look forward to continuing that conversation with you and answering any questions you have today.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 2135.466, "end": 2135.98, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 2136.51, "end": 2136.767, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 2136.992, "end": 2138.342, "text": "Thank you both for the presentation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 2138.439, "end": 2139.676, "text": "I know we have some questions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 2139.724, "end": 2143.838, "text": "We've got about 10, 15 minutes available for a discussion here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 2143.918, "end": 2147.469, "text": "And, you know, I'm very anxious to get what I call the list.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 2147.614, "end": 2147.774, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 2148.24, "end": 2149.156, "text": "I want the list.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 2149.301, "end": 2151.679, "text": "I want to know what's at greatest risk.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 2152.016, "end": 2153.06, "text": "Uh, by each bureau.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 2153.157, "end": 2156.24, "text": "But this has got some great information, and I really appreciate it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 2156.915, "end": 2159.838, "text": "Uh, Councilor Smith, you want to kick off the discussion?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 2160.047, "end": 2161.043, "text": "Uh, yes, thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 2161.733, "end": 2162.408, "text": "Welcome, Trish.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 2162.697, "end": 2167.274, "text": "I, um, appreciate you, and you got a big job ahead of you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 2168.077, "end": 2168.993, "text": "Uh, a couple things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 2169.041, "end": 2172.044, "text": "I'm, I'm like the, um, the chair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 2172.815, "end": 2193.542, "text": "I was fully expecting, with the time that it took to get to this vision, I was fully expecting to see a registry I was 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"speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 2222.79, "end": 2260.955, "text": "So for me, this is— this was kind of underwhelming to me because I was— I had a big expectation of having a, a list, a registry with, with Um, and I'm not so wedded to spreadsheets, but I, I expected to see something that would look like an $82 billion book that I would be able to include the status of each, of each of the, um, assets and how much would it take to get operational in the, in the, in the good, to the good.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 2261.101, "end": 2261.327, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 2261.686, "end": 2262.655, "text": "For better than good.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 2263.22, "end": 2265.998, "text": "And so for me, I still don't know any more than I know now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 2266.224, "end": 2269.131, "text": "I don't know what you all are considering an asset.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 2269.777, "end": 2271.245, "text": "You haven't identified it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 2272.018, "end": 2274.501, "text": "I don't know what street our asset is on.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 2274.936, "end": 2277.258, "text": "I wanted to see, this is Asset 3 in PBOT.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 2277.596, "end": 2285.153, "text": "We have 10, uh, trucks, 5 that are operational, and then they're going to go away.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 2285.554, "end": 2305.363, "text": "And I, I, I just had a different expectation since this— and I know you just got here, Trish, But it— I, I see, um, DCA, uh, Williams has come to the table, but I— this is just a long list of visions that I have about a whole lot of stuff.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 2305.509, "end": 2306.508, "text": "I was expecting more.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 2307.617, "end": 2308.019, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 2308.581, "end": 2309.835, "text": "If I may, uh, good morning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 2309.883, "end": 2312.711, "text": "Millicent Williams, Interim Deputy City Administrator for Public Works.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 2312.904, "end": 2315.378, "text": "Thank you very much for your question, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 2315.88, "end": 2322.298, "text": "Uh, we anticipated that, uh, this committee would have concerns along the lines that you've mentioned.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 2322.523, "end": 2325.987, "text": "And Emily Trich, her first name is Emily.", "speaker": 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"start": 2418.77, "end": 2422.559, "text": "And so that's the work that we anticipate will begin in earnest.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2423.186, "end": 2425.931, "text": "The asset managers from across the city have been working very hard.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2426.3, "end": 2434.789, "text": "But again, without having that central point of coordination that is tasked with and charged with ensuring that there is that strategy.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2435.526, "end": 2443.175, "text": "We have not been able to show up in ways that I think not just you councilors are expecting, but also that the public would expect.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2443.239, "end": 2446.928, "text": "And so I know that the next several months will be spent working on that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2447.633, "end": 2456.485, "text": "And I think it would be helpful, because we've been in cut exercises, to see, do we have multiple vans?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2456.629, "end": 2465.009, "text": "I know every Every month or however they take it out, money is taken out of my account for facilities for cars.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2465.442, "end": 2467.092, "text": "I have not— I have yet to use one.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2468.15, "end": 2470.296, "text": "I don't know what kind of cars you all have.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2470.409, "end": 2475.856, "text": "I sometimes— I see those— I used to see those cars that say the City That Works or something like that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2476.337, "end": 2477.859, "text": "I have no idea.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2478.9, "end": 2495.404, "text": "I do know I've been in one of PBOT's trucks, but I'm trying to figure out if we can also, as you're looking at this, Create an equity lens so that our assets, where they are, so that we know.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2495.548, "end": 2506.413, "text": "And, and, and I expect to see something like, you know, we have 25 parks in District 1, and here, here are the things that need to be updated in these parks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2506.461, "end": 2508.801, "text": "And those are the kind of things that I, I need to see.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2509.33, "end": 2542.009, "text": "And if we're going to do public-private partnerships like they did over at Sellwood House, You know, what looks to be as an opportunity to do a public-private— I don't want to privatize the city, but I just want to see if there are ways in which, if there are assets that we need to, that are not being used, that maybe we should consider either selling them, putting them so that we can upgrade other assets that we really need to keep in play, those kind of things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2542.058, "end": 2543.627, "text": "That's That's what I'm thinking about.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2544.237, "end": 2573.595, "text": "But at any rate, um, I will also be talking to you and setting up a time to talk to you, uh, Interim DCA Williams, in regards to, um, how we, uh— there's— we have a place setter bill in the, in the legislature that would, um, identify— that would allow cities who have surplus properties to, uh, rezone them For other things, particularly housing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2575.316, "end": 2581.076, "text": "And I think that we can't create any more land, but we have to repurpose the land that we do have.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2581.141, "end": 2582.109, "text": "It's not being used.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2582.173, "end": 2583.448, "text": "If it needs it, if it's a brownfield.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2584.153, "end": 2585.203, "text": "And that's the other thing I want to know.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2585.51, "end": 2588.321, "text": "How many of these assets are brownfields?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2589.468, "end": 2591.875, "text": "And by district and those kinds of things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2592.246, "end": 2595.121, "text": "So that is where my head is at.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2595.525, "end": 2597.35, "text": "I appreciate you all coming up with the vision.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2597.399, "end": 2597.512, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2597.577, "end": 2607.003, "text": "And that gives you the starting point so that you But the registry, a spreadsheet, I guess I am just a spreadsheet girl.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2607.068, "end": 2612.901, "text": "Councilor Smith, I appreciate your channeling my frustration as well.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2612.966, "end": 2613.724, "text": "So I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2614.095, "end": 2618.505, "text": "And I think it's good that we give folks feedback, but we only have about 10 more minutes left on this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2618.968, "end": 2621.364, "text": "So if it's okay with you, I'd like to move on to Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2623.16, "end": 2623.976, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2625.84, "end": 2626.061, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2626.454, "end": 2627.034, "text": "Welcome, Emily.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2627.15, "end": 2629.651, "text": "We're excited to have you on board.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2629.972, "end": 2632.81, "text": "Tate, thank you for your ongoing service to this project.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2633.275, "end": 2634.365, "text": "I just have one question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2634.462, "end": 2638.374, "text": "So at the very last slide, you mentioned a risk framework that's forthcoming.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2639.192, "end": 2641.389, "text": "I'd like to hear a little bit more about that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2641.437, "end": 2646.857, "text": "And specifically, are you going to be engaging in the ISO 31000 standard to guide that?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2647.611, "end": 2649.326, "text": "Thank you very much for that question.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2649.391, "end": 2650.754, "text": "And you're speaking my language, right?", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2650.85, "end": 2656.428, "text": "So the International Standards Organization has several standards relevant to infrastructure asset management.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2656.829, "end": 2661.171, "text": "And yes, we will be working off of the standards of ISO.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2661.315, "end": 2673.156, "text": "We'll also be looking at GASB 33, for those keeping score at home, and also looking at the commitments, the policy and standards we have here within the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2673.668, "end": 2692.922, "text": "My intention is to engage stakeholders inside and outside of the city because the way people are interacting with our infrastructure and how that helps them create that, uh, the safety, the new business, the affordable housing and development is so critical to what I understand, uh, the city is wanting to, um, become.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2693.709, "end": 2695.026, "text": "Uh, so you'll be hearing about that.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2695.09, "end": 2713.645, "text": "That will tie in nicely to the prioritization framework or the investment framework, uh, and, um, uh, as well as the, uh, equity, uh, resilience and the other goals we have of the organization that you will help, um, determine and dictate how we Pour the projects into the machine and what comes out the other side.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2714.095, "end": 2714.739, "text": "I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2714.803, "end": 2715.125, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2715.286, "end": 2723.763, "text": "And, you know, for folks watching along, I'm so obsessed with this because we can't do all of the projects.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2723.828, "end": 2731.228, "text": "Like, even if we're to go out and float a bond, it's— the scale of it is so large that we have to figure out which ones to do first.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2731.752, "end": 2736.678, "text": "And the way you do that is applying sort of a risk lens to be like, what would be the impact of failure?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2736.972, "end": 2739.059, "text": "So it's not just like, will this— is this old?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2739.139, "end": 2740.039, "text": "Is it— does it need help?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2740.103, "end": 2743.426, "text": "But it's like, if this fails, does this then create cascading conditions?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2743.474, "end": 2747.247, "text": "So sounds like that's exactly the, the lens and frame that you're taking.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2747.312, "end": 2747.392, "text": "I'm—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2747.504, "end": 2749.752, "text": "I'll, I'll look forward to seeing that in January.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2749.816, "end": 2753.686, "text": "And, um, thanks for, uh, uh, thanks for the work on it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2753.75, "end": 2753.991, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2754.135, "end": 2754.489, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2754.569, "end": 2756.672, "text": "I think we're all, we're all itching to get there.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2757.587, "end": 2758.374, "text": "Uh, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2759.048, "end": 2760.317, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2760.558, "end": 2762.035, "text": "Uh, thanks and welcome to the city, Emily.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2762.324, "end": 2766.208, "text": "Um, Thanks as well for being here, DCA Williams and Tate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2766.256, "end": 2777.265, "text": "I think if there's some behind-the-scenes thing that has not been worked on for a long time at the level that it needs to be, and now someone's working on it, 9 times outta 10, I see your name attached to it, Tate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2777.41, "end": 2780.732, "text": "And I really appreciate that about your time here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2781.341, "end": 2782.978, "text": "I have a couple questions about 2 slides.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2783.027, "end": 2784.824, "text": "Can we go to the slide with all the bar charts?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2786.172, "end": 2792.081, "text": "And first, just verifying that the PP in the, In the header there is Prosper Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2792.933, "end": 2793.094, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2793.238, "end": 2793.431, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2793.817, "end": 2795.89, "text": "So at some point we should have that, that one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2796.051, "end": 2796.485, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2797.513, "end": 2799.966, "text": "So I had a question here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2800.871, "end": 2802.779, "text": "So PF&R's got its own column.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2803.637, "end": 2806.192, "text": "Fleet and Facilities manages PPB precincts, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2806.531, "end": 2807.695, "text": "So they'd be included in that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2807.76, "end": 2809.998, "text": "I know North Precinct is in dire need of some work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2810.24, "end": 2810.723, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2810.819, "end": 2811.013, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2811.061, "end": 2811.222, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2812.816, "end": 2814.602, "text": "So I guess this highlights a question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2814.828, "end": 2826.548, "text": "Is there a long-term plan of splitting up this sort of data by the type of asset instead of bureau ownership as we simultaneously move to having everything owned by a city instead of 27 bureaus in a trench coat?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2827.582, "end": 2837.479, "text": "Yes, so very much so by strategic priority and by some of the thematic areas that we're seeing.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2837.577, "end": 2842.525, "text": "I'm already starting to get a sense from folks about what that might look like, and that could inform a future bond.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2843.226, "end": 2845.166, "text": "Great, that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, 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wanted to kind of understand if you're breaking this apart, because I think it's a little different if we're talking about engaging with people about upkeep versus actual change.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2884.935, "end": 2888.982, "text": "So if a, you know, it's a short-term inconvenience if your road's being repaved, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2889.046, "end": 2891.295, "text": "But it will go back to normal after that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2891.375, "end": 2891.439, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2891.616, "end": 2892.74, "text": "I think that's different.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2893.045, "end": 2895.663, "text": "And the engagement standard is probably different as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2896.353, "end": 2901.009, "text": "Than if you're taking a 2-lane 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2928.281, "end": 2935.979, "text": "And I think that's, you know, a unique problem because there are other bureaus that aren't even getting the acknowledgement of the depth of their engagement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 2936.139, "end": 2938.08, "text": "Do you mind if I intervene at this point?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2938.16, "end": 2939.491, "text": "Those are great questions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2939.603, "end": 2940.437, "text": "I really appreciate them.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2941.351, "end": 2944.318, "text": "Can we take those offline as well since we're running out of time?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2944.398, "end": 2947.605, "text": "And I don't know that Emily is going to have deep answers to that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2947.686, "end": 2951.843, "text": "At this point on engagement, but you raise some really important issues.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2952.051, "end": 2955.599, "text": "Unless there's a quick response, I, I think it's pretty complicated.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2956.674, "end": 2958.135, "text": "I can follow up really briefly.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2958.536, "end": 2958.841, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2959.162, "end": 2965.775, "text": "Um, I did want to highlight there's a long-range public safety facilities master plan that I think you would all be interested in that I'll share with you.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2966.546, "end": 2970.574, "text": "And Emily is going to integrate all these wonderful pieces together.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2971.04, "end": 2978.536, "text": "And I think we do have a citywide 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hoping that as we work through this, that there— when we talk about one city, that was this side of the dais too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 3010.583, "end": 3025.666, "text": "And so I think we do need to discuss it because as long as this position is housed under the administrator, which I've, you know, raised issues with, but as long as it's there, we have to make sure we're giving clear guidance on it or we're going to keep replicating decades of bad engagement at the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 3025.762, "end": 3029.184, "text": "Well, I hope Emily will put a pin in that and we'll come back to that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 3029.794, "end": 3031.256, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 3031.802, "end": 3032.894, "text": "Thank you, all of you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 3033.167, "end": 3036.765, "text": "Thank you for the presentation, but thank you even more for the report.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 3037.006, "end": 3039.458, "text": "I think that's where I found the most helpful information.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 3040.05, "end": 3053.591, "text": "And, um, kind of my colleagues started the conversation around equity, and I want to point us to page 17 of the strategy document, um, which talks about adopting a citywide equity framework.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 3054.072, "end": 3055.386, "text": "And I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 3055.45, "end": 3056.956, "text": "I think that's incredibly important.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 3057.117, "end": 3061.716, "text": "I also appreciate that there was language around targeted universalism.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 3062.325, "end": 3069.244, "text": "Um, And I was just wondering if we— if anyone could speak to where we're at in developing or adopting a framework like this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 3071.55, "end": 3072.002, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 3072.374, "end": 3075.8, "text": "I'm, I'm glad you're focusing in on that and reviewing the report.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3075.848, "end": 3091.14, "text": "We had a lot of great equity practitioners take part in this work, and, um, Officer Tillman, our equity officer, has been really involved, and I would have to defer to her probably on how we're approaching that.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3091.22, "end": 3102.024, "text": "But I really appreciated— not everyone loves asset management, is, is really keen to review our, our work on it, and she really was, and she really dug into it.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3102.073, "end": 3106.857, "text": "So I think that Officer Trish and Officer Tillman will continue to work together on that.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 3107.194, "end": 3108.141, "text": "What an amazing answer.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 3108.221, "end": 3114.675, "text": "I love that you're going to be doing that together, and I just can't help but underscore part of that conversation.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3114.739, "end": 3125.132, "text": "Just want to As we're talking about our assets being accessible, just want to make sure we're making sure we're also focusing on age-friendly and thinking about how we're meeting Portlanders' needs at critical ages and stages.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 3125.789, "end": 3153.201, "text": "And then on page 8 of that report talks about the governance charter, um, which I'm really excited to just— I'm a big fan of cross-bureau coordination and just, I'm wondering if there are any details that can be shared about how that governance charter would be used to help with that coordination across bureaus, like for assets like when we're replacing curb cuts or other projects where different bureaus' service areas are going to be crossing, coordinating?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 3154.436, "end": 3155.206, "text": "Yes, definitely.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 3155.398, "end": 3162.586, "text": "I think we're already seeing this in the Unified Public Works capital program work that they're doing.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 3162.682, "end": 3171.329, "text": "I know Carrie Rubin's with us today, and they're already like— the governance work will really help everyone come together and sort of identify joint projects.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 3171.923, "end": 3178.925, "text": "And opportunities to really combine forces and find efficiencies and savings and partnering together.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 3179.311, "end": 3182.233, "text": "And I think that will spill over to the engagement aspect as well.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 3182.523, "end": 3188.673, "text": "So we're again engaging more as one city and not doing all these projects in separate silos.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3188.93, "end": 3204.97, "text": "And then as we get down to implementing things like citywide prioritization and thinking about having more of a citywide capital plan, I think that governance will be really important to work through that and make decisions about which projects to prioritize.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3205.628, "end": 3206.206, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3206.302, "end": 3207.249, "text": "So glad you're here.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3207.329, "end": 3208.501, "text": "Excited to see next steps.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3208.758, "end": 3209.865, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Emily Trish" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3210.122, "end": 3210.876, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3211.261, "end": 3212.738, "text": "Councilor, we're really out of time.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3212.85, "end": 3229.141, "text": "I'm going to forego, uh, asking any questions at this point, but I'm going to encourage Emily to reach out to each member of this committee to schedule some time because we haven't had really adequate time today to but I think if you sit down with each of us, it'll be a much more robust conversation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3229.255, "end": 3230.307, "text": "But we appreciate your work.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3230.404, "end": 3231.23, "text": "We're glad you're here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3231.279, "end": 3233.82, "text": "Thank you, Tate, for everything that you've done up to this point.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3234.352, "end": 3236.979, "text": "Uh, thank you, DCA, and we will see you again.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3237.672, "end": 3238.945, "text": "Thank you so much for today.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3240.49, "end": 3242.477, "text": "In the interest of time, let's move right ahead.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3242.541, "end": 3244.367, "text": "Diana, can you please call the next item?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3245.514, "end": 3247.599, "text": "Item number 2, document number 2026-357.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3251.057, "end": 3253.928, "text": "Local regulation of automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3255.324, "end": 3255.966, "text": "Thank you, Diana.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3256.11, "end": 3263.859, "text": "Colleagues, we're returning to our discussion on regulating the commercial operation of for-hire autonomous vehicles on Portland streets.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3264.934, "end": 3271.495, "text": "Uh, I don't think that as a city we're really ready for these vehicles, um, and I'm afraid they're coming.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3272.233, "end": 3277.511, "text": "Um, I believe we need to get ahead of this and have a framework ready to regulate this industry.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3278.328, "end": 3287.449, "text": "Uh, not to mention, it's important that we send a signal to the state legislature that we are invested in ensuring the safe operations of these vehicles in our city.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3288.283, "end": 3299.937, "text": "Autonomous vehicle companies have thus far managed to avoid any city regulations across the country by working on state-level preemption, and I'm afraid that might happen here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3300.707, "end": 3309.89, "text": "It's important that we move quickly on regulation to make it clear that as a city we care about safety, accountability, and our private-for-hire workers.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3310.803, "end": 3314.168, "text": "I've asked PBOT to bring forward policy concepts.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3315.194, "end": 3329.039, "text": "I think hopefully they've met with most of you, um, and we will discuss this today and then get our feedback and then bring back a potential ordinance and resolution at our October 27th meeting for, for a hearing.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3330.035, "end": 3334.707, "text": "PBOT shared draft code language as well as policy concepts for committee members to consider.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3335.156, "end": 3336.537, "text": "I hope you've had time to review it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3336.939, "end": 3341.161, "text": "We have time for questions today after we get a PBOT presentation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3341.274, "end": 3343.971, "text": "So I think— welcome, great to see you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3344.18, "end": 3345.496, "text": "Shoshana, do you want to kick it off?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3346.476, "end": 3347.262, "text": "Uh, yes, good morning.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3347.439, "end": 3350.104, "text": "Thank you, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3350.666, "end": 3352.882, "text": "For the record, my name is Shoshana Cohen.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3352.978, "end": 3355.049, "text": "I'm the Chief of Staff at the Portland Bureau of Transportation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3356.668, "end": 3361.061, "text": "As was just noted, we're here again today to talk about automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3361.879, "end": 3366.079, "text": "And as we've discussed with you all before, this is a quickly evolving new technology.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3366.143, "end": 3369.766, "text": "It's already having a big impact on multiple cities across the country.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3370.952, "end": 3376.13, "text": "You last heard from us specifically in July when we brought some policy concepts to this committee for discussion.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3377.108, "end": 3384.72, "text": "And since then, we've continued to learn about the impacts of AVs from peer cities, And have continued to think about what a regulatory framework could look like here.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3386.288, "end": 3398.113, "text": "We have further refined the policy concepts that we discussed with you then, and as Chair Clark just said, we're beginning to prepare a package of potential code updates that could be implemented along with administrative rule updates.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3398.7, "end": 3399.28, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3400.96, "end": 3402.526, "text": "So here's our agenda.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3403.318, "end": 3409.165, "text": "We'll start with a little bit of refresh of some background and updates on policy development, both here and in the state.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3409.23, "end": 3409.326, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3409.815, "end": 3411.238, "text": "And the state of the industry in Oregon.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3411.9, "end": 3420.675, "text": "We'll then discuss the proposed code and administrative rules with a focus on some of the most significant policy areas, and then finally close out with a summary of next steps.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3423.2, "end": 3430.016, "text": "So I'd like to begin again with a quick recap of what's been going on in Portland and Oregon and the work to date.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3430.744, "end": 3456.22, "text": "Back in 2017, a previous Portland City Council passed the Safe Automated Vehicle Initiative, SAVI, which charged PBOT with developing initial AV regulations to ensure based on that directive, PBOT adopted administrative rules the following year that allowed for the testing of AVs with a permit and prohibited commercial deployment.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3456.38, "end": 3460.19, "text": "However, no testing permits under that administrative rule were ever issued.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 3460.96, "end": 3469.38, "text": "That same year, the state of Oregon created a task force on automated vehicles, and the city of Portland and many other stakeholders participated in that task force.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 3469.38, "end": 3469.42, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 3469.42, "end": 3476.092, "text": "The task force which issued 2 reports, one in 2018 and one in 2019, before being disbanded, dissolved.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 3477.397, "end": 3488.228, "text": "It then became clear that automated vehicles were actually some years away from commercial operations, and while staff continued to track the topic, we paused significant staff work on the topic.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3489.93, "end": 3501.14, "text": "Last fall then, we became aware of a bill in the state legislature that would have enabled the commercial operations of AV statewide and preempted Portland as well as other local jurisdictions' regulatory authority around AVs.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3501.221, "end": 3502.713, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3505.95, "end": 3506.353, "text": "At—.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3506.755, "end": 3508.946, "text": "Oh, sorry, I think I did next slide too quickly.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3509.026, "end": 3515.154, "text": "But at that same time, we became aware that Waymo was interested in commercial operations in Portland.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3515.764, "end": 3521.242, "text": "And we also saw AV operators preparing to launch operations in greater number of cities around the US.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3521.756, "end": 3525.723, "text": "And this caused us to realize that it really was necessary to sort of dive back into this work.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3526.429, "end": 3532.708, "text": "That's when we began processing the process of updating our administrative rules and to think about code updates.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3533.318, "end": 3542.086, "text": "And at that time, importantly, we also made it clear, even though we had the existing AV testing rules, we wouldn't offer any testing permits until rules had been updated.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3542.969, "end": 3543.499, "text": "Now, next slide.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3544.832, "end": 3551.416, "text": "So in early 2026, the city and others submitted testimony against that state AV bill, and it didn't move forward.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3552.203, "end": 3561.047, "text": "We also— that's when we began presenting at what was then the City Council's Transportation Infrastructure Committee about the first draft of the administrative rules in February.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3561.978, "end": 3565.333, "text": "And then we held an extended public comment period for the draft rules.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3565.766, "end": 3573.358, "text": "We engaged a variety of stakeholders, private-for-hire drivers, all of our modal committees, Oregon Disabilities Commission, as well as others.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3573.936, "end": 3579.795, "text": "And we published a summary of the over 200 comments we received during that feedback period on our website.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3580.135, "end": 3581.957, "text": "And spoke to you one of the times we were here.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3583.16, "end": 3590.531, "text": "And during this time, we've also been connecting with colleagues around the country who have been experiencing AVs firsthand to learn about the impacts they're seeing.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3592.22, "end": 3596.759, "text": "The next milestone was that in April, Waymo began mapping in Portland.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3597.468, "end": 3603.287, "text": "And while they are mapping, they have a licensed human driver operating, so they don't need a permit from us at this stage.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3603.693, "end": 3606.658, "text": "We also know they're mapping in some of the other cities around the region.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3607.753, "end": 3614.294, "text": "And then as we already said, we brought 7 key policy concepts to this committee in July for discussion and we've continued to refine since then.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3615.592, "end": 3623.671, "text": "The last note is that we're also now getting ready again for the 2027 state legislative session where we do expect at this point to see more AV legislation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3624.809, "end": 3631.269, "text": "Already during the recent September legislative days in Salem, Waymo presented at the House Committee on Transportation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3631.943, "end": 3638.9, "text": "The presentation was focused on safety and the Waymo public policy manager said that he looked forward to building on the legislation yes.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3639.108, "end": 3640.134, "text": "—Presented in the past.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3640.839, "end": 3648.758, "text": "And Representative McClain, the chair of the committee, stated that she wanted to avoid the piecemeal regulation scenario that happened with transportation network companies.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3649.896, "end": 3656.341, "text": "At the same time, our neighbors to the north in Washington State are also facing pressure to enable automated vehicles statewide.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3656.789, "end": 3664.692, "text": "We've just recently been given a copy of draft legislation that we've heard is a collaboration between 2 robotaxi companies, Zoox and Waymo.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3665.301, "end": 3688.718, "text": "And we haven't had a chance yet to sort of dig in closely enough, but we will, and we expect it may all of this has been happening here and in Oregon, um, and at the same time is happening within the context of a national conversation about the potential challenges, uh, that robotaxi operations may introduce to our cities, as well as the potential benefits.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3689.122, "end": 3694.27, "text": "I want to pause and acknowledge sometimes we're saying robotaxi companies and sometimes we're saying automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3694.725, "end": 3700.834, "text": "It's, I think, um, Jargon of the industry that has made its way into our talking points, but it's the same thing.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3703.296, "end": 3724.217, "text": "And like our discussions here, many others are grappling with concerns such as negative impacts to traffic safety and other right-of-way users, the loss of jobs, privacy concerns, potential to grow vehicle miles traveled, add congestion, and impact land use, as well as other things.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3724.998, "end": 3732.725, "text": "And, and these potential challenges have been driving the regulatory policy proposals that we're bringing to you today for consideration.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3733.529, "end": 3737.4, "text": "At the same time, not all the national discourse has been negative.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3737.85, "end": 3747.072, "text": "We all know our transportation system around the country has real traffic safety problems, so the potential for AVs to bring safety benefits is part of the national conversation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3747.987, "end": 3755.161, "text": "The first major third-party study looking at Waymo safety data was recently conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3755.773, "end": 3766.577, "text": "And while we definitely want to still dig in and better understand this study, so far we've heard that it found that per mile, Waymo vehicles were involved in 68% fewer crashes than human drivers.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3767.443, "end": 3773.815, "text": "And then there's also the potential for AVs to provide personal safety benefits and to feel safer and more comfortable for some users.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3775.346, "end": 3781.195, "text": "While some of us are just considering potential challenges or benefits, other cities, on the other hand, are already experiencing them.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3781.243, "end": 3785.848, "text": "There are at least 15 other cities where AVs are already operating.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3786.699, "end": 3787.101, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3788.225, "end": 3797.524, "text": "And in these 15 cities, they're all operating where they have been preempted by state legislation, and without— and so they don't have the local regulatory oversight.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3797.973, "end": 3801.78, "text": "So without this regulatory oversight, these cities are experiencing challenges.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3802.454, "end": 3805.473, "text": "They don't know how many for-hire AVs are operating in their cities.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3805.987, "end": 3812.86, "text": "They don't receive data on where pickups and drop-offs are happening, so they can't work to manage curb space or thoughtfully prioritize different users.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3813.759, "end": 3819.941, "text": "We're seeing cities struggle with managing how robotaxis interact with large events or even regular events like farmers markets.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3820.664, "end": 3825.802, "text": "And perhaps most importantly, these cities have no way to suspend or revoke AV company permits.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3826.444, "end": 3835.099, "text": "If these cities have issues or complaints, they have to raise them to state regulators who may not understand the local context or take any action.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3836.878, "end": 3847.34, "text": "On the other hand, the AV companies want to see regulation at the state level rather than the city level, and they— and we've heard them say that without statewide consistency, there'll be a patchwork of regulations they can't operate in.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3848.109, "end": 3852.163, "text": "This is the same argument that we heard for many years from transportation network companies.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3853.236, "end": 3863.779, "text": "However, the City of Portland has worked very hard over the years to maintain our local authority to regulate transportation network companies, and we're one of the few cities across the country that has maintained this authority.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3864.436, "end": 3876.438, "text": "And it's allowed us to do all sorts of things, to collect trip-level data, to understand the impacts of TNCs on our system, to set our own trip fees, and to do things like create the recently passed Drivers Resource Center.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3877.45, "end": 3881.114, "text": "And we have not seen a patchwork of regulations develop.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3881.644, "end": 3901.659, "text": "Portland's regulations serve as the region's regulations, so drivers can go seamlessly between Portland, Beaverton, Gresham, wherever else they need to drive So we're here today again to share, just to share some options for what regulations could potentially look like here.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3902.126, "end": 3903.734, "text": "This is a complex area.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3903.895, "end": 3910.569, "text": "No other city in the country, as Chair Clark said, has passed regulations for commercial robotaxi service yet.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3911.115, "end": 3917.253, "text": "Minneapolis and Washington, D.C. are sort of like us and close in thinking about it, developing a regulatory framework.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3917.719, "end": 3920.217, "text": "And the Minneapolis City Council recently passed a proposal, but it was later vetoed by the mayor.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3920.268, "end": 3936.241, "text": "So we're here today to talk about So while there's no complete city model we can look to, the ideas we've shared with you today have very much been informed by the experiences of other cities, both those who have them and who are considering what might happen.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3937.14, "end": 3942.906, "text": "And the options we're presenting are also designed to be aligned with Portland safety, climate, equity, and mobility goals.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3943.484, "end": 3948.784, "text": "And in addition to looking and talking to peer cities, we've spoken with subject matter expert staff from across city bureaus.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3948.832, "end": 3949.025, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3950.71, "end": 3963.05, "text": "And the final thing before I hand it over is that the current proposals are intended to go slow with the rollout to verify that companies are meeting our standards and to ensure that we can continue to evaluate the program and update our regulations as needed.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3963.307, "end": 3966.773, "text": "And with that, I'll hand it over to Jacob Sherman to dive in more.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3966.918, "end": 3968.089, "text": "Great, thanks so much, Shoshana.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3968.137, "end": 3971.283, "text": "Good morning, Council Vice President Clark, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3971.347, "end": 3972.887, "text": "For the record, my name is Jacob Sherman.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3973.353, "end": 3976.209, "text": "I lead the city's work on emerging technology at the Bureau of Transportation.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3976.29, "end": 3976.93, "text": "Transportation.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3977.763, "end": 3988.706, "text": "My team and I work on policy and projects including electric vehicle car charging, goods movement, zero-emission freight, the private-for-hire industry, shared micromobility, and automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3989.475, "end": 3990.18, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3990.741, "end": 3997.758, "text": "I'd like to give a quick overview of the code package and administrative rules that kind of shape up our regulatory approach.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3997.967, "end": 4019.967, "text": "I'm going to go through this at a really high level to help you get kind of the complete picture, and then I'm going to hand it over to my colleague Hannah, who's going to dive in on some of I think in many ways, kind of presenting this complete picture as a puzzle and not focusing so much on the individual pieces, but the big picture, so you can understand that again before diving in.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 4020.963, "end": 4030.214, "text": "First, want to note that the draft administrative rules that we're proposing will not go into effect until at least July 1st, 2027 at the earliest.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 4030.616, "end": 4031.805, "text": "Anything that you pass will take time to implement.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 4031.853, "end": 4031.949, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 4032.126, "end": 4036.369, "text": "Time for us to build the systems and processes to actually implement.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 4036.787, "end": 4041.463, "text": "And so we'll need— we would need any time and would not be issuing any permits in the meantime.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 4041.656, "end": 4042.363, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 4044.05, "end": 4049.626, "text": "So this is the set of regulations that together we think will manage the operation of for-hire vehicles.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 4049.835, "end": 4051.798, "text": "I'd like to highlight a few things.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 4052.216, "end": 4067.44, "text": "First, all AV companies would be required to submit a map of the area of the city that they intend to operate, as well as a description of what time, what roads, what speed limits, what weather, And what other kind of conditions they would be operating in.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 4068.05, "end": 4076.835, "text": "Before they could begin those operations, city staff and the city administrator would have to review and approve these materials known as an operational design domain.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 4077.332, "end": 4085.379, "text": "If the companies wanted to change those at any aspect in the future, then they would have to resubmit and get reapproved operational design domains.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 4085.588, "end": 4088.185, "text": "This is something that happens in the state of California currently.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 4088.97, "end": 4094.645, "text": "Second, our proposal requires that for-hire AVs be fully battery electric and registered in Oregon.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 4095.288, "end": 4111.38, "text": "This would automatically require them to be enrolled in the ORIGO program, which is Oregon's road usage charge program that results in a per-mile vehicle mile traveled fee to help offset the state's lack of gas tax that comes from AVs or from EVs.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 4112.006, "end": 4117.097, "text": "We think this is a really kind of important approach and wanted to highlight that for you all.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 4117.466, "end": 4117.98, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 4118.992, "end": 4124.147, "text": "We also have a set of different regulations that together focus on safety and reporting in Vision Zero.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 4124.612, "end": 4136.987, "text": "To better understand any company's safety record, all companies would be required to provide a description of their experience, including all reported crashes, injuries, and incidents that negatively impacted the traffic system.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 4137.581, "end": 4147.583, "text": "Companies would also be required to share any crash records that they must file with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration with PBOT, as well as with the State of Oregon.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 4148.722, "end": 4164.581, "text": "All companies would be required to submit and review and receive approval for that operations plan detailing how they'll handle Portland-specific elements of the transportation system, such as some of our bike buses or our unique bicycle infrastructure that we have.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 4166.204, "end": 4176.996, "text": "We're also working with the city's attorney's office on a set of insurance and liability levels to protect all Portlanders, both passengers inside the AVs as well as everyone else in the public right-of-way.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 4177.045, "end": 4177.937, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 4179.105, "end": 4186.985, "text": "While there's many promises to some of this new technology, They're going to have to be— require coordination with the city to really be realized.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 4187.386, "end": 4202.921, "text": "So for example, we think AV companies must comply with city-issued geofences to ensure that their vehicles are not disrupting events in the street, such as a Sunday Parkways event, a crash that could occur, the Portland Marathon, or other kinds of first responder events.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 4203.498, "end": 4214.401, "text": "Additionally, we'd like AV companies to share trip data with the city so we can fully understand the impact of this new technology and use that data to help inform policy and, and changes in the future.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 4214.947, "end": 4220.241, "text": "By sharing where pickup and drop-offs occur, we can add pickup and drop-off spaces to the curb.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 4220.947, "end": 4231.007, "text": "We currently have some of these known as fast stops to help ensure that we're doing safe pickup and drop-off and not doing pickup and drop-off in things like the bicycle lane.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 4232.258, "end": 4238.595, "text": "We have a set of data privacy requirements that Hannah will dive— Hannah will dive deeper into in a moment.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 4239.077, "end": 4239.688, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 4241.198, "end": 4249.03, "text": "The final kind of big picture overview set of regulations is to use our local authority to actively manage the pace of change.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 4249.713, "end": 4259.241, "text": "As Shoshana said earlier, our proposed strategy is to go slow and verify compliance and safe operations of AVs and to evaluate change as needed.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 4259.757, "end": 4273.821, "text": "To this end, PBOT is proposing we'd conduct an annual review of operations and We develop a report that would help inform changes to fleet caps, which Hannah will talk about next, as well as any other changes that may be needed.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 4274.399, "end": 4286.904, "text": "We'll also require companies to conduct training and demonstration events with first responders to help ensure that police, fire, and other first responders know how to manage AVs in an emergency situation.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 4287.29, "end": 4287.964, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 4288.478, "end": 4291.528, "text": "So together, kind of big picture, we think this package of thank you.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 4291.592, "end": 4296.056, "text": "This package of policy proposals is designed to set a high bar for AV operations.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 4296.554, "end": 4303.363, "text": "Some of the policies we're discussing will be advanced through city code, while other would be advanced through administrative rules.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 4304.278, "end": 4311.937, "text": "And this is because there's a few different factors that we think about when determining whether we recommend something be in city code or admin rule.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 4312.451, "end": 4335.389, "text": "City code, as you might know, is generally reserved for policies that are bigger picture and more foundational and durable rather than kind fine-grained, um, uh, fine-grained implementation things that might need to change in the future, such as administrative rules, which is the place where we really define how policies are implemented and can be dynamic and updated more regularly.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 4335.886, "end": 4339.706, "text": "Administrative rules, though, it's important to note, have a public process.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 4340.075, "end": 4347.504, "text": "They're shared with City Council before any review, uh, or before any approval happens, and they're also subject to public scrutiny.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 4348.177, "end": 4361.583, "text": "So given the nature of trying to regulate a brand new technology that's rapidly evolving, we're proposing putting some policy in code and other policy in administrative rules so that we can manage change as we go forward.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 4361.712, "end": 4367.308, "text": "I'm going to hand it over to Hannah now, who's going to dig in on some of those specific policy proposals.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 4368.142, "end": 4368.864, "text": "Thanks, Jacob.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 4369.505, "end": 4372.199, "text": "Good morning, Vice President Clark and councilors.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 4372.79, "end": 4376.943, "text": "For the record, my name is Hannah Morrison, and I'm a planner on the Mobility Innovation Section at PBOT.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 4377.88, "end": 4387.629, "text": "As you may remember, we brought a set of policy concepts to you all this summer to get feedback and direction, and based on those conversations we've had with you all, we've refined those policies, and I'm going to dig in a little deeper.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 4390.016, "end": 4393.551, "text": "The first policy proposal is the one that sets the stage really for everything else.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 4393.792, "end": 4407.638, "text": "The city has regulated private-for-hire transportation for over 100 years, and we need to add definitions of automated vehicles into our private-for-hire code to make it clear that the companies using AVs to offer a private-for-hire service are regulated like others in the industry.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 4408.344, "end": 4411.652, "text": "This proposal has not changed substantially since July.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 4411.78, "end": 4421.479, "text": "In addition to adding a definition for automated vehicles, we have added a few other AV-specific definitions, as you see on the slide, and added some AV-specific language to a few other definitions.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 4422.153, "end": 4427.259, "text": "And all of these are based on language from the Society of Automobile Engineers, which really sets the national standard.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 4430.183, "end": 4435.341, "text": "The second policy concept is to establish the authority to set fleet caps for AVs in city code.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 4435.952, "end": 4440.226, "text": "These fleet caps would apply to both AVs with testing permits and for-hire permits.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 4441.03, "end": 4445.979, "text": "And setting these caps on AVs will help us safely manage this change to our streets and the for-hire industry.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 4446.734, "end": 4459.777, "text": "This proposal sets the expectation that based on the annual evaluation of operational impacts of AVs that Jacob just talked about, The city administrator would propose updates to both the per-company fleet cap and the citywide for-hire AV fleet cap.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 4460.772, "end": 4473.039, "text": "Since we are proposing the actual fleet cap numbers to be set in administrative rule, any update to the fleet cap numbers would then go through the administrative rule public process with a 30-day public comment period and option for a public hearing.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4473.778, "end": 4481.437, "text": "This public engagement process would help ensure that any changes to AV fleet caps occur through transparent conversation with the public and with City Council.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4482.18, "end": 4493.67, "text": "With that in mind, I do want to share an initial proposal of per-company and citywide AV fleet caps for the first year.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4494.57, "end": 4497.25, "text": "We considered a few things while developing this proposal.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4497.689, "end": 4501.81, "text": "First, there are currently over 15,000 permitted Uber and Lyft drivers in the city.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4502.17, "end": 4507.43, "text": "While they're not all driving full-time, so it's not a one-to-one comparison, we tried to keep the number of AVs in the city small in line with the number of drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4507.764, "end": 4509.82, "text": "Compared to the number of human-for-hire drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4510.559, "end": 4520.823, "text": "We also looked at fleet caps or fleet sizes in other cities, which is admittedly challenging since no other cities have regulations that require companies to tell them just how many AVs are operating in their city.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4521.498, "end": 4527.072, "text": "But third parties have estimated over 1,000 AVs in San Francisco, which is likely the largest for-hire market.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4528.084, "end": 4543.386, "text": "So these proposed year 1 fleet caps would limit the AV fleet to roughly 1.5% of Portland's total private for-hire fleet, Allowing for a small rollout of this new technology while the rest of our regulations that Jacob shared work in concert with each other to manage daily operations.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4546.5, "end": 4549.984, "text": "The next policy proposal is to clearly define testing permit metrics.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4550.565, "end": 4560.427, "text": "So under this proposal, every AV company would be required to begin local operations with a testing permit to ensure that they prove their technology can navigate the unique aspects of Portland streets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4560.995, "end": 4564.694, "text": "This testing permit is a required first step before AV companies could offer any paid rides.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4564.807, "end": 4564.97, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4565.416, "end": 4566.813, "text": "Before with a for-hire permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4567.745, "end": 4579.997, "text": "All companies' AV driver, or that software system that is their AV driver, would be required to log 50,000 miles cumulatively across their fleet with a testing permit before becoming eligible to apply for that for-hire AV permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4581.009, "end": 4598.404, "text": "This 50,000-mile requirement is based off of best practices from California state-level regulations, but we also believe it's the right balance, or could be the right balance, between proving that the AV driver can safely navigate our city while not being too many miles that we're encouraging, uh, empty vehicle miles traveled on our streets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4599.285, "end": 4606.4, "text": "And while the same AV driver would be completing the entire 50,000-mile requirement, this proposal does split testing into 2 phases.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4606.577, "end": 4609.397, "text": "Again, this is something based off of best practices in California.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4609.862, "end": 4622.874, "text": "The first 25,000 miles of a testing permit must be completed with a licensed human driver in the vehicle, while the second 25,000 miles could be completed with no human driver in the vehicle.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4622.922, "end": 4626.798, "text": "Uh, next is the proposal around metrics for permit suspension for that AV driver.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4627.412, "end": 4633.774, "text": "And these metrics were really informed by the many claims from AV companies that their AV drivers are much safer than human drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4634.532, "end": 4640.632, "text": "These metrics were informed— um, we have a standard for human private-for-hire drivers, uh, to ensure that we're permitting safe drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4641.294, "end": 4649.637, "text": "And in Portland, we suspend a human taxi, Uber, or Lyft driver if they get 2 traffic violations in a single year or a total of 3 violations in 5 years.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4649.814, "end": 4653.395, "text": "And here we're really proposing holding the robotaxis to a similar standard.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4654.888, "end": 4666.227, "text": "One key difference is that since AV drivers— AV companies treat their software as a singular driver, we would be considering violations by any car within a company's fleet as accumulating to that same AV driver.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4666.676, "end": 4679.253, "text": "So if 2 separate vehicles within one company's fleet each get a traffic violation or are otherwise found to be operating in an unsafe manner, that would count as 2 violations for that company's AV driver and would be grounds for suspending the company's permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4680.007, "end": 4688.037, "text": "This permit would be suspended until the company can certify to the city that the issue or issues for which their AV driver received the violations are resolved.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4688.647, "end": 4691.356, "text": "And this process would repeat for subsequent violations.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4691.869, "end": 4702.998, "text": "So additionally, if the AV driver continues to repeat that same unsafe behavior that the company has already certified that they've resolved, This could become grounds for additional action like fines or permit revocation.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4703.936, "end": 4713.217, "text": "We believe this is a much higher standard for any potential permit suspension than anything else we've seen proposed in the states, and then it could help address some of the challenges we've seen in other cities.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4716.202, "end": 4718.793, "text": "This next policy concept is also safety-focused.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4719.421, "end": 4727.935, "text": "We have had many conversations about the safety hazard of AVs and vehicles in general stopping in bicycle lanes to wait to pick yes.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4729.027, "end": 4738.774, "text": "So there is existing city code that currently states that all drivers are limited to stopping in any street, bicycle lane, or transit lane for no more than 30 seconds to load or unload passengers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4739.593, "end": 4746.803, "text": "So our suggestion here is that we would reaffirm the maximum stop time of 30 seconds for all private-for-hire drivers in city code.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4747.862, "end": 4757.397, "text": "Given that AVs sometimes wait for 2 minutes, if not more, for passengers to enter the AV and start their ride, this this should prohibit them from waiting in bicycle lanes to pick up passengers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4758.311, "end": 4765.817, "text": "I do want to note that there is another option for this policy concept, and that would be to fully ban pickup and drop-offs in bicycle lanes or transit lanes.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4766.571, "end": 4772.008, "text": "This policy move would probably make more sense to implement across the entire private-for-hire industry, not just AVs.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4772.97, "end": 4783.107, "text": "This could lead to more stopping in travel lanes and potentially have unintended safety or mobility consequences, but we just wanted to acknowledge that this is another policy option to consider should you all want to go further.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4783.155, "end": 4783.283, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4786.457, "end": 4800.612, "text": "This next policy proposal focuses on limitations on the sale, sharing, or transferring of data collected by AVs, and we've proposed adding this to the administrative rules so that we can dynamically respond to any changes in data collected or new privacy best practices that may emerge.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4801.782, "end": 4805.26, "text": "We know that AVs collect data both inside and outside of their vehicles.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4805.453, "end": 4812.249, "text": "Most AVs use a combination of LiDAR, radar, 360-degree video and audio data collected from their vehicles.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4812.524, "end": 4819.597, "text": "And while some of this data is used for safe operations of AVs, we do know it will be critical to put strong safeguards around the use of this data.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4820.275, "end": 4829.622, "text": "So we have consulted with the City Data and Privacy Office to ensure that these regulations would be consistent with related city policy on surveillance and privacy and are considered best practices.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4831.206, "end": 4837.361, "text": "The first proposal is to prohibit AV companies from selling any data collected by their AVs on City of Portland streets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4838.098, "end": 4841.175, "text": "Companies should not get to profit off of the data that they collect in our city.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4842.184, "end": 4847.087, "text": "The second proposal is to require city administrator approval before sharing or transferring any data.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4847.712, "end": 4856.188, "text": "We don't anticipate many use cases for this, but we could potentially be interested in sharing data with a third party to help us analyze trip location data and operations.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4857.086, "end": 4873.975, "text": "Finally, we would require a warrant signed by a judge before any data collected on our streets is shared with or transferred to another governmental together, we think that these policies will allow companies to operate while also enacting strong, strong regulations that protect Portlanders from unnecessary surveillance.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4877.787, "end": 4882.425, "text": "Next, I'd like to introduce a new policy proposal, which is to define remote operators in city code.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4883.26, "end": 4890.264, "text": "Remote operators refer to humans who intervene in AV operations if the AV encounters an unknown situation or is uncertain on how to proceed.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4890.328, "end": 4890.539, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4891.804, "end": 4905.162, "text": "It has been really difficult to get a complete picture of how often remote operators intervene in AV operations, but a Senate investigation earlier this year found that remote operators could be located overseas and that many do not hold U.S. driver's licenses.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4906.301, "end": 4916.901, "text": "With the current lack of federal guidance on remote operations, we feel it's really important here to set minimum requirements that all remote operators must hold a U.S.-based driver's license and be based in the United States.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4916.949, "end": 4917.045, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4918.184, "end": 4938.581, "text": "California has also recently taken steps to define remote operators, and new regulations from the California DMV, which will become active in July 2028, state the same requirements we have proposed here, that all remote operators for fleets active in California have a U.S.-based driver's license and be based in the U.S. and then this is the final policy proposal.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4939.93, "end": 4951.714, "text": "First, AVs would be subject to the same fees as TNCs, including all permit and per-trip In addition is the establishment of a per-trip driver support fee to support workers due to this unprecedented change.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4952.709, "end": 4957.815, "text": "A driver support fee could provide funds for things like job training, job placement, or other support.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4958.328, "end": 4964.718, "text": "We know council just passed the Driver Resource Center ordinance, and there may be a way to connect these workforce transition activities to that new center.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4965.633, "end": 4970.691, "text": "The driver support fee would be included in the fee schedule, which is the same as the TNC per-trip fee and permit fees.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4970.739, "end": 4970.835, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4971.637, "end": 4979.701, "text": "The fee schedule is updated on an annual basis each fiscal year and has City Council oversight, and we propose to follow that existing annual process here with this new fee.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4981.111, "end": 4989.063, "text": "And finally, we do want to acknowledge that there may be a need for other impact fees due to the continued growth and impacts of the entire private-for-hire industry on our streets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4989.832, "end": 4996.485, "text": "However, we do think that any additional impact fees should be considered after we've had a chance to evaluate the actual impact of AVs on our streets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4997.143, "end": 5002.323, "text": "And that these impact fees should be considered for the private hire— private-for-hire industry as a whole, not just for AVs.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 5003.477, "end": 5005.979, "text": "Thank you, and I'd now like to hand it back to Shoshana for next steps.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 5007.47, "end": 5008.93, "text": "Uh, thank you, Hannah.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 5009.01, "end": 5009.86, "text": "I think next slide.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 5010.533, "end": 5025.672, "text": "So just briefly to recap again, uh, we know there's additional proposals that could be considered, but the entire package of proposed code and administrative rules that we've just heard is designed to protect the public interest and allow the city to actively manage this change.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 5026.409, "end": 5037.555, "text": "We've also integrated evaluation and review to our proposed regulations, acknowledging that policies may need to change as this quickly evolving industry changes and we see more about the impacts on our streets.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 5038.277, "end": 5043.553, "text": "And then finally, of course, none of us can know what will happen in the 2020 state legislative session around this topic.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 5043.874, "end": 5049.503, "text": "We have some hope that a local regulatory package may help to reduce pressure to move forward with state Preemptory.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 5050.129, "end": 5050.995, "text": "Preemptory.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 5051.123, "end": 5051.926, "text": "I don't know how to say that word.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 5052.054, "end": 5052.696, "text": "Legislation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 5054.06, "end": 5065.868, "text": "And then before we dive into discussion, just briefly, as was already said, the current plan is that we would return to this committee in 2 weeks with an ordinance with specific code.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 5066.494, "end": 5072.655, "text": "And the ordinance could actually also offer sort of direction on the administrative rules.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 5073.554, "end": 5083.889, "text": "And then, and I believe Derek Bradley's in the room, we're continuing to coordinate really really closely with the Office of Government Relations and other partners around the state as we get ready for the state session.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 5084.403, "end": 5087.42, "text": "And that's all we have today, and welcome questions.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 5087.597, "end": 5090.438, "text": "Thank you so much, Shoshana, Hannah, and Jacob.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 5090.502, "end": 5092.043, "text": "That was an excellent overview.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 5092.814, "end": 5098.431, "text": "I'm very impressed by the research that you've done across the country, all the work that you put into this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 5098.528, "end": 5107.564, "text": "I know that we've been pushing you pretty hard to get this done because I was really hoping that we could do this before the end of the year, or at least before the state legislature meets.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 5108.093, "end": 5110.66, "text": "So I appreciate all the work that you've put into this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 5110.74, "end": 5112.649, "text": "It's, it's really, um, terrific.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 5113.147, "end": 5129.463, "text": "So, um, I know we have about half an hour for discussion of this, and I know that, um, you've also met with some of the— my colleagues individually, um, and gotten their feedback, and I'm sure you'll continue to do that before we finally draft something.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 5130.136, "end": 5135.798, "text": "Let me first turn it over to my vice thank you, Chairwoman Clark.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 5136.057, "end": 5139.563, "text": "Thank you all for the presentation, and I'll get right to it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 5139.772, "end": 5146.838, "text": "What protections or transition opportunities could be available for workers displaced by this new technology?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 5150.57, "end": 5153.559, "text": "Yeah, um, thanks, uh, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 5153.98, "end": 5166.174, "text": "Uh, you know, one of the primary things that we're thinking about in this proposal is that driver support fee and using that fee in order to invest in resources that could support driver activities.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 5166.238, "end": 5172.773, "text": "That could be retraining, that could be scholarships, that could be other small business support.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 5172.885, "end": 5178.682, "text": "I mean, there's a variety of different activities that we could look to stand up.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 5178.923, "end": 5184.173, "text": "This is, I think, something we'd be looking very closely to you all to give us some guidance and some direction on.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 5184.622, "end": 5194.457, "text": "Just as you gave us guidance and direction on the Driver Resource Center, this is something that is, pun intended, very much outside of our lane as a transportation agency.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 5194.569, "end": 5198.709, "text": "And we'd be looking to you to help us understand how to best program those resources.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 5200.169, "end": 5208.897, "text": "It is also the kind of thing we could go out to RFP with a variety of different potential providers in order to deliver those resources.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 5209.731, "end": 5237.614, "text": "We've started some kind of preliminary modeling and forecasting on what those and to the interim PBOT director, I, I appreciate that, but have you all evaluated the potential economic impact on Portland residents who currently work as a rideshare taxi or professional driver?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 5237.695, "end": 5245.319, "text": "Because I am concerned that we're going to put a lot of folks out of work in this transportation industry?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 5246.156, "end": 5246.817, "text": "Thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 5248.663, "end": 5255.415, "text": "And I'm not sure if you were directing that to the interim director who is in the room, although still getting up to speed on this.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 5255.464, "end": 5257.221, "text": "So if it's okay, I'll answer.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 5258.64, "end": 5259.686, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 5260.588, "end": 5268.59, "text": "Well, I just wanted to add one of the other things is really the limit on, you know, we're proposing a very small fleet size and that could stay very small.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 5269.166, "end": 5275.578, "text": "And, you know, fundamentally, yes, this cars without drivers will replace cars with drivers.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 5275.932, "end": 5277.94, "text": "That will have an economic impact.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 5278.82, "end": 5283.892, "text": "I think the reason to bring this is not to replace drivers.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 5283.989, "end": 5288.402, "text": "Obviously it is because it is— it may be coming.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 5288.58, "end": 5291.009, "text": "And so how can we set up as thoughtfully as possible?", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 5291.349, "end": 5294.813, "text": "But there's no way around a significant economic impact to drivers who are replaced.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 5294.861, "end": 5294.959, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 5295.242, "end": 5300.911, "text": "And as Jacob already said, to some degree, some of that is outside of our policy lane.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 5301.329, "end": 5305.858, "text": "So we're trying to propose thoughtful regulations within that context.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 5306.002, "end": 5307.335, "text": "But yes, there will be an impact.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 5307.383, "end": 5316.955, "text": "But the City of Portland does have a policy lane to make sure that certain industries and industries in the city are not impacted by the policies that we create.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 5317.79, "end": 5321.725, "text": "And for, you know, I'll tell you a couple of things, and this is just my bias.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 5322.287, "end": 5324.118, "text": "I am concerned about the safety issues.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 5324.873, "end": 5345.075, "text": "I'm concerned that the elderly who, uh, who need transportation, that they will not get that extra push in an ice storm of don't walk on this sidewalk, or I can try to get you closer, and you can actually identify potential problems for, for riders who, um, who may use this, uh, new technology.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 5345.589, "end": 5347.934, "text": "But I am really concerned about that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 5348.014, "end": 5360.471, "text": "I'm concerned that, you know, we're trying to create Some sort of tax to do a driver's education piece, but that's not good enough because people are going to be losing their jobs.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 5361.163, "end": 5364.657, "text": "And I think it's going to— this will have some sort of impact.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 5364.785, "end": 5377.287, "text": "And Elon Musk put out a— there were— there's a whole fleet of new autonomous drivers, and he's, you know, these folks can work because you don't have those limits.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 5377.335, "end": 5377.415, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 5378.951, "end": 5383.382, "text": "These, these, this technology allows the cars to be used 24 hours a day.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 5384.843, "end": 5390.768, "text": "So if you're a human, you cannot compete with that kind of, of work product.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 5391.667, "end": 5402.04, "text": "So I, I would like us to at least be a little— I mean, I'm— I was listening to your presentations, but it didn't seem like you all really cared about that to me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 5406.42, "end": 5408.763, "text": "Yeah, I guess thank you for that feedback.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 5408.827, "end": 5413.848, "text": "Yeah, we, we are very much aware of it and don't disagree with any of those things.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 5413.96, "end": 5414.778, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 5414.826, "end": 5416.495, "text": "I think we all have those concerns.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 5416.671, "end": 5422.398, "text": "I think though, if we don't do something and we're preempted by the state, then those drivers are SOL anyway.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 5422.847, "end": 5432.197, "text": "You know, I think that we're trying to get a handle on it so that we might provide some protection and some resources for those people that may be So that's part of the goal here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 5433.35, "end": 5435.017, "text": "Um, Councilor Koyama, are you done?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 5435.529, "end": 5436.378, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 5437.676, "end": 5438.349, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 5438.653, "end": 5440.224, "text": "Thank you, Vice Chair, for that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 5440.656, "end": 5449.019, "text": "I do want to say I see that all of you are doing your jobs and you're approaching this thoughtfully and you're trying really hard to do that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 5449.148, "end": 5453.121, "text": "And I understand that we have concerns about being preempted at the state.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 5453.618, "end": 5459.337, "text": "Um, we also don't want to like restart policy timeline if new councilors are taking positions in January.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 5460.108, "end": 5469.999, "text": "Um, and I also am more aligned with Vice Chair Smith in concerns around safety, surveillance.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 5470.143, "end": 5472.215, "text": "I'm also opening our roads to billionaires.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 5473.114, "end": 5481.351, "text": "I'm worried about, rather than letting some little bit in and seeing what happens, I'm worried about what will happen.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 5481.463, "end": 5484.755, "text": "And, and I, I am more wanting to start with no.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 5485.319, "end": 5489.809, "text": "And then see what happens and then go from there.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 5490.406, "end": 5492.247, "text": "I do have a couple questions.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 5494.46, "end": 5497.828, "text": "Like, one is, this is connected to Policy Concept 4.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 5498.037, "end": 5508.877, "text": "I'm wondering if you all can speak to how the city would plan to address in real time issues like AVs blocking an emergency vehicle from accessing someone in distress.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 5511.906, "end": 5518.455, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Koyama Lane, and appreciate your opening comment about us being thoughtful and working hard to do our jobs.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 5519.515, "end": 5541.07, "text": "You know, I think this is something where we have kind of within the agency a bunch of regulatory enforcement staff that are on a regular basis taking taxi rides, taking Uber and Lyft rides, going out to the airport, making sure that people are permitted, making sure that the vehicles don't have substantial wear and tear or damage to them.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 5541.743, "end": 5548.463, "text": "And so we would probably be using some of those regulatory enforcement specialists to be out monitoring these kinds of things.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 5549.698, "end": 5559.689, "text": "We need to have further discussions with the City Attorney's Office about how we can build cases to take potential regulatory action.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 5559.785, "end": 5568.317, "text": "One thing that we've heard from our colleagues in California as well as Texas is that social media is often the place you hear about some of these incidents first.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 5568.429, "end": 5568.525, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 5569.183, "end": 5581.33, "text": "And so I think one thing we're very interested in is how might we use some of that information as part of developing a potential violation or a code or a package that we could then take action on.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 5581.442, "end": 5586.641, "text": "And so we have some more work to do there, but that's kind of preliminary how we're thinking about this.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 5587.235, "end": 5594.729, "text": "You know, when the City of Portland first had e-scooters arrive in our city, it wasn't because we wanted them or invited them.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 5594.937, "end": 5598.77, "text": "It was because we also found out that companies were coming and getting ready to deploy them.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 5599.588, "end": 5608.517, "text": "And we kind of developed a very similar approach, took a policy, created a policy framework, told the companies they had to wait, told the companies that they had to come and play by the rule.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 5608.645, "end": 5614.272, "text": "And then we had staff working on this on a daily basis and picking up the phone and solving some of those problems.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 5614.657, "end": 5616.773, "text": "We'd be taking a very similar approach here.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 5616.901, "end": 5621.999, "text": "It would be very hands-on for probably the first year or more, or the first few years.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 5624.438, "end": 5629.78, "text": "I had another question about fees, maybe per trip fees, or if we're going to do per mile fees.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 5630.036, "end": 5641.956, "text": "And I'm wondering if there's been any consideration about having higher fees for certain vehicles that are maybe taller or heavier, lower price for ones that are shorter, lighter vehicles.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 5642.004, "end": 5648.357, "text": "And we know that smaller, lighter vehicles are safer, and just wondering if there's been any conversation around that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 5648.405, "end": 5648.565, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 5648.986, "end": 5655.187, "text": "You know, those are all good questions, and I think some initial thoughts.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 5655.365, "end": 5657.649, "text": "Those are things that could absolutely be considered.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 5657.812, "end": 5663.138, "text": "You know, again, might make sense across the private-for-hire industry, but absolutely could be considered.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5664.843, "end": 5672.536, "text": "And has there been any community engagement related to the recommendations, and what has that been like, and can you tell us about that?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5673.33, "end": 5680.315, "text": "Yeah, well, yeah, I think it's fair to say we've been doing engagement this whole year, maybe, at different levels.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5680.572, "end": 5691.552, "text": "And, you know, we did sort of the— went through the official administrative rule engagement process, had a public hearing, put the rules out far and wide, met with individual groups.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5692.033, "end": 5697.018, "text": "We've continued to do sort of ongoing stakeholder engagement.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5697.083, "end": 5703.559, "text": "We've met, you know, just in the last couple weeks, we met with some of the regular transportation advocacy groups and other groups.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5703.623, "end": 5703.959, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5704.216, "end": 5719.523, "text": "Like Disability Rights Oregon and folks sort of continuing to try to take people's temperature and continue to hear lots and lots of reservations and also concern about what might happen if it were to be done at the state level.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5719.571, "end": 5722.889, "text": "So I think we're— we continue to hear similar things, I think.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 5723.531, "end": 5725.294, "text": "But yeah, I don't know what else you all want to say about it.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 5725.454, "end": 5737.309, "text": "And maybe just to underline a specific piece of engagement, you know, we also working on broader private-for-hire issues including Uber and Lyft issues, we meet regularly with the Oregon Drivers Union and their representatives.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5737.421, "end": 5750.926, "text": "We've got a standing monthly meeting, and this is a topic that we discuss often and have, I think in the last 2 months, have probably discussed it 2 or 3 times, including an hour and a half session a week and a half ago.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5752.017, "end": 5757.3, "text": "So I think in many ways we know some of those concerns.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5757.718, "end": 5759.564, "text": "I think some of those concerns are definitely shared.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5759.613, "end": 5759.757, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5760.366, "end": 5774.297, "text": "And as Chair Clark said, I think we're trying to put forward what we consider to be kind of a nationally leading framework that is going to hopefully solve the vast majority of the problems.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5774.89, "end": 5777.583, "text": "It might not be perfect, but it might be really good.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5778.657, "end": 5790.535, "text": "And maybe just last thing on that point, just again, we've met with some people in the last week or so and have heard some additional specific recommendations which haven't yet been incorporated, but absolutely could be.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5790.984, "end": 5799.306, "text": "So we're still, So this is sort of, I think, if this keeps moving, which maybe it will not, but if it does, feel like it's sort of a continuous conversation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5799.402, "end": 5802.625, "text": "And know there's some other specific proposals out there as well.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5803.107, "end": 5808.174, "text": "I want to acknowledge the commitment to community engagement and that you all are open and are continuing to do that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5808.238, "end": 5809.841, "text": "That's really important.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5810.868, "end": 5822.643, "text": "And for me personally, it's unclear if there's— if this moving forward, if AVs would benefit Vision Zero Portland values, age-friendly values.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5822.851, "end": 5837.013, "text": "I'm not saying that's what you all are saying here, but what I'm— where I'm at is that even if we have strong policies in place, I'm worried about introducing untested technology onto our roads that are going to mix with pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5838.073, "end": 5842.697, "text": "I keep hearing from constituents that they are worried when they see the different Waymos around.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5842.81, "end": 5843.548, "text": "I feel the same way.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5843.709, "end": 5846.97, "text": "They just feel creepy when I see them.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5847.116, "end": 5853.479, "text": "And I would like us to have a frank conversation about what it looks like to really just say no to AVs in Portland.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5853.958, "end": 5854.681, "text": "I'll leave it there for now.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5856.416, "end": 5857.686, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5858.184, "end": 5865.53, "text": "I seem to recall that one of the, um, one of the things that you heard in your outreach that was at the top of the list was safety.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5865.935, "end": 5868.787, "text": "I thought that was sort of the universal concern, was safety.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5869.727, "end": 5870.651, "text": "Thanks for those questions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5870.78, "end": 5871.121, "text": "Excellent.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5871.202, "end": 5871.898, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5873.29, "end": 5874.109, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5874.655, "end": 5875.57, "text": "Thanks everybody for being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5875.634, "end": 5876.758, "text": "Thank you for all your work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5877.063, "end": 5880.483, "text": "Um, I'm obviously a critic of this industry and, and this proposal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 5880.676, "end": 5886.054, "text": "I want to be clear that I think that the work that you've done is what you've been asked to do, uh, and that you've done a good job of it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 5886.215, "end": 5889.586, "text": "And nothing I say going forward is, is a criticism of either you or your work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 5890.229, "end": 5894.371, "text": "Um, and all my questions and comments are for the 3 people up here, just to get— be clear.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 5894.885, "end": 5896.201, "text": "One quick question before I start.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 5896.346, "end": 5904.281, "text": "The guidance to staff that this entire project sort of started from in terms of authorization to pursue this is the resolution in 2017, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 5905.058, "end": 5907.309, "text": "This all kind of stems from that 2017 resolution?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5909.536, "end": 5911.517, "text": "We had a standing administrative rule.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5911.645, "end": 5921.581, "text": "So I think when we heard that AVs were becoming active again in Oregon, we knew that that rule needed to be updated.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5921.775, "end": 5924.444, "text": "It was, I don't know, 8 years old or something like that at that point.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5925.935, "end": 5933.795, "text": "And since it was on the books as a testing permit, we needed to sort of start there and look at what we needed to do.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5936.06, "end": 5937.722, "text": "Yeah, and I think that's correct.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5938.012, "end": 5942.064, "text": "As Shoshana was saying, we have an existing administrative rule on the books.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5942.225, "end": 5950.12, "text": "That administrative rule on the books is undergirded by that resolution, the Smart Autonomous Vehicle Initiative resolution from 2017.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5950.882, "end": 5970.433, "text": "And I think the, The SAVI resolution is undergirded by our broader kind of charter and the authorities that are granted to us as the steward of the right-of-way, which we use to then regulate, in this instance, not just proposed automated vehicles, but also shuttles and taxis and limousines.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5971.252, "end": 5977, "text": "Yeah, I was mostly referring not to the authorization to come up with ideas, but the sort of directional element of it there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5978.028, "end": 5988.213, "text": "I personally respectfully disagree with the chair, uh, in saying it's important that we send a signal to the state legislature that we're invested in ensuring the safe operation of these vehicles in the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5988.438, "end": 5993.321, "text": "I'm interested in ensuring the safe operations of vehicles, but not these vehicles.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5993.514, "end": 5998.542, "text": "Um, I agree with the idea that if we don't do something, there's a problem because the state will do their thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5999.04, "end": 5999.426, "text": "That's true.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5999.538, "end": 6000.55, "text": "I think we should just ban it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6000.663, "end": 6001.498, "text": "That's doing something.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6002.173, "end": 6007.661, "text": "Um, and I will personally commit to spending time in Salem to, to help with That, um, to the degree that it is, it is helpful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6008.27, "end": 6015.305, "text": "Um, you know, we've heard several times things like we've heard or citations on safety from industry-funded studies.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6015.738, "end": 6037.547, "text": "I've still not seen, and I've asked, and if anyone watching this would love to email it to me, I would love a, a, a study that is proven to not be industry-funded that actually shows anything about, uh, safety in the, um, in the long term and not just the part where there's someone in the vehicle But the overall, since these vehicles are just circling the cities that they're in even when they don't have passengers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 6039.268, "end": 6044.841, "text": "I floated an amendment to replace all proposed text with, quote, all vehicles require a human driver, end quote.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 6044.937, "end": 6045.694, "text": "It's 6 words long.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 6045.791, "end": 6046.854, "text": "Everyone can understand it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 6047.16, "end": 6062.386, "text": "Today I realize we may also need to add one other thing to that amendment, which is a repeal of Resolution 37296 to change the direction that we're giving to staff On this and should probably also override the administrative rule that Shoshana just referenced.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6063.156, "end": 6069.79, "text": "I want to acknowledge that the drivers union has been reaching out and I, you know, we, they've asked for human safety operators.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6070.559, "end": 6073.476, "text": "This provides needed access and assistance to people with disabilities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6074.085, "end": 6078.796, "text": "That is an important part of this conversation regardless of whether these are autonomous vehicles or not.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6078.876, "end": 6082.209, "text": "That is one of the functions of the human operator of a vehicle.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6082.883, "end": 6089.544, "text": "There are countless safety scenarios that a computer cannot navigate, and a human safety operator ensures accountability and safety.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6089.624, "end": 6092.32, "text": "This is similar to what Minneapolis put in as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6092.994, "end": 6097.665, "text": "I will note that because the mayor vetoed it there, mayor can't veto here, so there's slight differences there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6097.809, "end": 6103.234, "text": "But I do think that it is slightly less preferable than a ban, but I wanted to put that on the table.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6104.213, "end": 6108.369, "text": "Looking at the policy concepts, I really appreciate the work that you've done on the definitions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6108.722, "end": 6111.819, "text": "One, as well as on the concept of US driver's licenses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6112.557, "end": 6117.161, "text": "I think the numbers of 7 and 8 got swapped, so I don't remember which one it is, but the driver's licenses one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6118.011, "end": 6131.424, "text": "I have no concern about the idea of setting fleet caps and authority to do so, but they're way too lax with 100 vehicles per company and then allowing the mayor to effectively waive them after 2 years by setting a large fleet cap.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6132.13, "end": 6141.338, "text": "I'm also concerned that the concept of an impact I think the impact fees creates a financial incentive to give away Portlanders' privacy and seems like a clear attempt to get the support of the drivers union.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6141.402, "end": 6146.624, "text": "But I want to note we can fund the Drivers Resource Center without this particular source of revenue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6147.204, "end": 6147.752, "text": "We have to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 6149.857, "end": 6151.355, "text": "I wish we'd done a testing permit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 6151.87, "end": 6152.869, "text": "Concept 3 is great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 6152.917, "end": 6154.818, "text": "I just wish we'd done it in 2017.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 6155.897, "end": 6158.007, "text": "I do want to spend a little time on 5 and 6.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 6158.7, "end": 6169.266, "text": "The loading and unloading and bicycle lanes piece I appreciate the note, Hannah, you raised on the other option, but I think that the other option kind of proves why this is a bad idea.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 6169.33, "end": 6186.479, "text": "Because although disallowing stopping in bicycle lanes might have negative effects on safety and mobility, that's also kind of upside down because mobility includes bicycles that are prevented from navigating effectively if there's an autonomous vehicle or any vehicle.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 6186.543, "end": 6186.655, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 6187.056, "end": 6187.891, "text": "Um, in a bike lane.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 6187.955, "end": 6188.965, "text": "Same thing for safety.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6190.024, "end": 6195.238, "text": "Um, but I really want to spend time on Concept 6, which is the thing that proves why this can't work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6195.655, "end": 6197.66, "text": "A regulatory structure cannot work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6198.206, "end": 6209.66, "text": "There is no way to honor the, quote, reasonable expectation of privacy that Portlanders have, end quote, with 250 at first and eventually an unlimited number of rolling surveillance vehicles on the ground.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6210.013, "end": 6219.131, "text": "Pair this with the forthcoming administrative push to allow cameras in every inch of our sky with Amazon's drone facility, and we're building a surveillance state here even faster than Washington, D.C. is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6220.368, "end": 6222.182, "text": "The policy concept is unenforceable.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6222.295, "end": 6232.219, "text": "The only way to guarantee non-transfer of data is to not create it in the first place and will inevitably result in both private companies using it and transfers to ICE and other malign actors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6233.118, "end": 6238.209, "text": "Specifically, the proposal is to put it into administrative rules, which gives no accountability to the public for any changes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6238.915, "end": 6245.682, "text": "The idea that administrative rules will be changed to allow unfettered surveillance is already being acknowledged yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6246.151, "end": 6258.744, "text": "You know, it was acknowledged that, quote, city code, as you might know, is generally reserved for policies that are bigger picture and more foundational and durable rather than kind of fine-grained implementation things that might need to change in the future, such as administrative rules.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6259.956, "end": 6270.644, "text": "So I just want to put this out there that the mayor will be able to waive that at any point in the future and allow us to have unfettered transfer of thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6271.928, "end": 6276.842, "text": "And the drivers union raised this issue in their letter as well, and I, I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6277.291, "end": 6278.8, "text": "Councilor Smith, I agree completely.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6278.849, "end": 6280.647, "text": "There's nothing in here on protecting workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6281.225, "end": 6290.891, "text": "The discussion about the fees that came from that made it clear that, that the idea from the companies, not from staff, but from the companies, is to promote large-scale worker displacement of an entire industry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6291.517, "end": 6294.777, "text": "And I'm personally not interested in assisting in the unemployment of any workforce.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6295.194, "end": 6306.807, "text": "And I should note, it's particularly important when we're discussing a workforce that So with all that said, I want to be very clear about my ask here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6307.033, "end": 6314.327, "text": "I am begging my colleagues not to actively support the creation of a dystopia in our city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6314.761, "end": 6321.079, "text": "Between the drone conversation and this, those are both really important parts of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6321.6, "end": 6325.016, "text": "And so I ask for support in changing the direction here and not supporting this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6325.065, "end": 6325.26, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6325.309, "end": 6325.488, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6326.26, "end": 6327.967, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6330.79, "end": 6333.791, "text": "And you're certainly welcome to offer amendments on the policies as well.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6334.937, "end": 6335.55, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6336.309, "end": 6337.616, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6339.27, "end": 6344.566, "text": "I'm just going to echo the 3 of my colleagues who spoke before me all hit on my primary concerns.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6345.01, "end": 6351.042, "text": "I do want to talk about the— you guys have been very well engaged with my office.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6351.834, "end": 6367.59, "text": "I think that that you're bringing a deep desire to build a policy given the guidance that you've received and within the sort of context of trying to avoid a world where we get preempted and then lose control of the situation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6367.638, "end": 6368.92, "text": "So I want to acknowledge that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6370.282, "end": 6375.634, "text": "I think that I have a higher risk tolerance for taking that fight on.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6375.987, "end": 6383.877, "text": "Like, you know, I think the person who championed the bill last time represents cities in Washington County.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6383.99, "end": 6389.659, "text": "And I'll note that Washington County has revolted against AI data farms and the like.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6389.724, "end": 6394.487, "text": "And so I don't know that the political appetite is there to continue to pursue that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6394.584, "end": 6395.929, "text": "And so we'll see how that fight goes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6396.72, "end": 6418.111, "text": "But there's one thing I wanna uplift that we haven't really talked about a little bit is that, you know, I also share some skepticism of industry-funded studies, but it's probably true that on a per-trip basis in isolation, these autonomous vehicle trips are safer on average than others.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6418.786, "end": 6420.264, "text": "But that's not really the stakes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6420.313, "end": 6428.173, "text": "The stakes are whether we are producing better or worse outcomes in terms of safety for the system as a whole.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6428.286, "end": 6430.729, "text": "So this is a holistic greater than the sum of its parts problem.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6431.408, "end": 6438.494, "text": "And what you also find in these studies is, is robotaxis or AVs generate increased VMT.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6438.96, "end": 6440.181, "text": "So that's vehicle miles traveled.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6440.727, "end": 6444.439, "text": "And that's particularly exacerbated in a situation where there's no place to park.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6445.146, "end": 6458.334, "text": "And because the City of Portland doesn't have the appetite to appropriately price on-street parking to disincentivize storing a car basically for free in the public right-of-way, Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6458.959, "end": 6466.045, "text": "And then we have a lot of places downtown in particular where it's like, this is valet parking, this is loading and unloading just for trucks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6466.109, "end": 6470.117, "text": "And so there's not a lot of extra space to just pull over and park for a bit.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6470.437, "end": 6473.884, "text": "You're gonna get way more deadheading and a lot more vehicle miles traveled.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 6474.509, "end": 6485.873, "text": "And that may actually result in increasing safety risks faster than it does the sort of reduction on the, Kind of like driver versus robot lens.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 6485.986, "end": 6490.68, "text": "And so they— this is a problem that can only really be ascertained with more data.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 6490.777, "end": 6495.612, "text": "And I would suggest that— I'm not sure that's a risk I want to take.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 6495.773, "end": 6498.489, "text": "I support Councilor Kanal's sort of direction here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 6498.699, "end": 6501.978, "text": "It's the only place where we can talk about that more than 1 or 2 people at a time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 6502.026, "end": 6504.203, "text": "So that's the appetite that I have.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 6504.348, "end": 6513.889, "text": "But if we can't, if we can't do an outright ban, I think my My next best option is the human safety operator.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 6514.514, "end": 6531.324, "text": "And I feel like if you want AVs in Portland because you want to have experienced the sort of potential that they are a safer trip for you, that should still be true with the safety officer in the seat.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 6531.404, "end": 6537.549, "text": "And so if we have to go some sort of direction that's Less than a ban, that's the direction I want to go.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 6538.079, "end": 6545.535, "text": "Um, I, I also, I, I want to laud your focus on minimizing the time that's in the bike lanes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 6545.728, "end": 6555.963, "text": "I want to extend that to, um, you know, to the extent that we can, uh, prevent them from idling in, in, in, uh, daylight at intersections too, because that's, I mean, the biggest threat to pedestrian safety.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 6556.012, "end": 6557.619, "text": "So I'll leave it there for now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 6558.02, "end": 6558.261, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 6559.531, "end": 6560.559, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 6561.057, "end": 6568.909, "text": "Uh, colleagues, we're really at time, so I'm going to make some concluding remarks here and then we'll take a break, if that's okay with everybody.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 6569.422, "end": 6586.089, "text": "First of all, I just want to thank the team again for all the work that you've put into this, how responsive that you've been to everyone, how you've tried to, um, take into consideration all the things that the other cities have told you, um, about what it's like to be preempted.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 6586.523, "end": 6590.776, "text": "And you've tried to design the best package that you possibly can to protect us.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 6591.562, "end": 6596.634, "text": "Um, I think, uh, Councilor Kanal's comment about dystopian future— I, I don't want that either.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 6597.179, "end": 6603.182, "text": "I'm— let's be really clear that I'm not supportive of Waymo being here either, or whatever company.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 6603.84, "end": 6612.731, "text": "Um, but I'm also— I've worked in the legislature most of my career and fought preemption, and I'm quite concerned that we will be preempted.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 6613.389, "end": 6620.076, "text": "And I feel like the canary in the coal mine sometimes here, but we have 15 other cities to learn from.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 6620.14, "end": 6632.248, "text": "And if we could be the city that actually designed something that worked, imperfect as it may be, and prevent the state legislature from taking away our power, I think that's the direction we could go.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 6632.729, "end": 6637.829, "text": "But clearly, I think I'm— I could be outvoted here, but I'm going to keep trying.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 6638.262, "end": 6647.171, "text": "Because I think that, um, if you really believe that, um, the legislature won't preempt us, then you win, and that's great, and I think that's super.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 6647.636, "end": 6661.352, "text": "If they do, uh, I think that you all ought to start working on getting a governor's veto after the election, because I think the composition of the legislature, even though it's changing and maybe getting better in some people's opinion, I think that we will lose this debate.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 6661.432, "end": 6675.265, "text": "So we need to prepare for it, and I thought this was the best way for to prepare for it, to design the best package we could based on what other cities have experienced when they've been preempted and don't get any data, don't get money, they get nothing.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 6676.517, "end": 6679.343, "text": "So I was hoping that we could actually get something out of this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 6679.408, "end": 6683.839, "text": "But in any event, we will, we will continue this conversation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 6683.887, "end": 6690.567, "text": "We will draft something that is the best thing we can do, bring that back in 2 weeks, and we'll see how the chair feels about that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 6690.631, "end": 6690.775, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 6691.752, "end": 6692.674, "text": "So thank you, everybody.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 6692.739, "end": 6697.285, "text": "Thanks for your excellent comments, the work that you did on going through all the concepts.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 6697.334, "end": 6698.887, "text": "I really appreciate that very much.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 6699.21, "end": 6700.116, "text": "And thanks to the staff.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 6700.54, "end": 6703.232, "text": "So let's take a 10-minute break.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 6703.458, "end": 6705.619, "text": "Um, why don't we come back here at 11:26?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 6710.045, "end": 6711.174, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 7547.945, "end": 7549.272, "text": "All right, we have a quorum.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 7549.35, "end": 7552.845, "text": "So let's go ahead and, um, let's see.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 7552.942, "end": 7556.357, "text": "Diana, would you please read the next item?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 7557.82, "end": 7574.346, "text": "Item number 3, document number 2026-364, amend transportation fee schedule to establish an event parking rate within the Lloyd Event District and Zone V parking permit area.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 7574.674, "end": 7580.974, "text": "Amend thank you so much.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 7581.394, "end": 7588.295, "text": "So colleagues, this legislation is to address parking issues in the Lloyd Event District during events at the Moda Center.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 7589.019, "end": 7595.566, "text": "I think they've impacted neighborhood residents and their ability to find their own parking during peak events.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 7597.42, "end": 7598.733, "text": "And is this your district, Councilor?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 7598.895, "end": 7599.576, "text": "It is your district.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 7599.624, "end": 7600.321, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 7601.027, "end": 7603.467, "text": "With that, let me just hand this off to PBOT staff.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 7603.612, "end": 7604.607, "text": "Glad to see you here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 7605.522, "end": 7607.288, "text": "Kristen, are you here to kick it off?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 7607.449, "end": 7608.605, "text": "I am.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 7608.669, "end": 7614.545, "text": "For the record, I'm Kristen Hall, PBOT's Interim Director for Planning Programs and Projects.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 7614.609, "end": 7618.382, "text": "I'm here with Raylee Stark, our Parking District Project Manager.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 7618.928, "end": 7626.907, "text": "We're here to discuss an ordinance to amend the transportation fee schedule to adjust the hourly rate in the Zone B permit area in the Eliot neighborhood.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 7628.079, "end": 7635.69, "text": "As we dive in, I want to acknowledge the many people at PBOT who work on parking districts, including our parking operations team, especially Erica Neville and Kristen Aldrin.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 7636.059, "end": 7640.09, "text": "I think they're here in the back, as well as our meter shop and parking enforcement team.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 7640.475, "end": 7644.296, "text": "It's truly a whole bureau effort to manage our parking system.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 7645.18, "end": 7647.765, "text": "I also want to acknowledge the timeliness of this ordinance.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 7648.246, "end": 7652.373, "text": "The residents of the Zone B permit area are impacted by events throughout the year.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 7652.742, "end": 7655.185, "text": "But blazer season is a particularly big deal.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 7655.634, "end": 7663.7, "text": "Given the season is kicking off, we're bringing this ordinance forward now, which would allow us to implement the changes as soon as 30 days after approval by City Council.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 7665.73, "end": 7666.003, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 7666.325, "end": 7666.631, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 7667.597, "end": 7674.133, "text": "We manage on-street parking because it's a limited resource where demand far exceeds supply in many parts of our city.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 7674.697, "end": 7683.419, "text": "Without management through pricing and other tools, parking spaces become impossible to find negatively impacting businesses, employees, and residents.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 7686.574, "end": 7688.556, "text": "Parking management has many benefits.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 7688.83, "end": 7694.567, "text": "It improves safety in line with our Vision Zero goals, and it ensures that customers can shop at our small businesses.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 7695.576, "end": 7704.399, "text": "At its core, it matters because it reflects what Portlanders want: a vibrant city with thriving businesses, convenient access to services, and walkable, safe neighborhoods.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 7705.2, "end": 7707.554, "text": "Achieving that vision requires thoughtful parking management.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 7708.206, "end": 7713.078, "text": "And I stress the word thoughtful here because the needs of different stakeholders can be in conflict.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 7713.494, "end": 7717.468, "text": "Successfully managing parking requires that everyone compromises a little bit.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 7718.654, "end": 7721.17, "text": "So how do we do it?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 7721.923, "end": 7725.993, "text": "We manage parking based on the land use context and the community's goals for an area.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 7726.538, "end": 7733.717, "text": "For each of these contexts, we use our suite of management tools, including time limits, parking permits, and paid parking to manage that on-street parking supply.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 7733.781, "end": 7734.085, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 7734.624, "end": 7751.158, "text": "When we look at a commercial Main Street like the West End, we manage parking so visitors are able to find a space when they want to visit a restaurant or shop, and we make— try to make sure each space, parking space, sees more visitors per day.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 7753.673, "end": 7758.528, "text": "We manage parking for neighborhoods adjacent to an employment or event center, like here in the Eliot neighborhood.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 7760.194, "end": 7763.215, "text": "To ensure that space is available for residents during events.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 7763.568, "end": 7772.345, "text": "That means that a resident returning home from work or who needs to run to the grocery store during an event can find a place to park, even on an event night.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 7774.48, "end": 7777.862, "text": "We manage parking in dense residential neighborhoods like Slabtown.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 7778.522, "end": 7802.543, "text": "When parking is managed, we can continue to grow and housing can be built without unintended consequences like congestion PBOT has 5 parking districts, and in our most dense neighborhoods, we're also working with businesses and residents to establish a 6th parking district in North Northeast Portland, which should be ready for council consideration in the coming months.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 7803.462, "end": 7807.784, "text": "Importantly, in these areas, it is not just designating an area parking district.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 7808.363, "end": 7831.116, "text": "More importantly, it's a partnership between PBOT and the neighborhood to manage parking and make it easier to get stakeholders implement parking management tools as— or we work with stakeholders implement parking management tools, as well as making it easier to bike, walk, and take transit to create the walkable, thriving neighborhoods and business districts that Portlanders want.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 7831.855, "end": 7840.27, "text": "So we're here today to talk about this ordinance to increase the hourly parking rates in one portion of the Eliot neighborhood where it overlaps with the Zone B permit program.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 7840.351, "end": 7840.447, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 7841.138, "end": 7846.067, "text": "The mechanism to do that is an amendment to the transportation fee schedule by adding a new line item.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 7846.388, "end": 7849.76, "text": "I'm going to pass it to Raylee to get into the specifics of the proposal.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 7849.921, "end": 7851.237, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7851.912, "end": 7852.843, "text": "Good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7853.437, "end": 7865.046, "text": "For the record, my name is Raylee Stark, and I'm a parking district project manager within the transportation planning section, and I've been working with the Eliot neighborhood for the past 3 years on their parking issues.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7867.722, "end": 7872.075, "text": "So to frame what we're talking about today, this is the Lloyd Event District.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 7872.593, "end": 7877.383, "text": "It was established in 2022 to better manage parking during large events at the Moda Center.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 7878.354, "end": 7886.767, "text": "So when there's a large event or a combination of events with 10,000 or more attendees, the district is activated and you must pay to park.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 7888.475, "end": 7892.069, "text": "It is activated approximately 120 days or a third of the year.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 7897.401, "end": 7901.248, "text": "Highlighted here in red is the Zone B Permit District.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 7901.969, "end": 7907.627, "text": "This was created in 2024 to help prioritize parking for residents during large events.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 7908.381, "end": 7919.841, "text": "And this came to fruition because there was a number of residents in the Eliot neighborhood who have been asking for years to help support them on the congestion that they are experiencing in their neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 7922.354, "end": 7927.361, "text": "I want to highlight that this, this program was designed for the neighborhood by the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 7927.409, "end": 7935.302, "text": "So back in 2024 when it was created, a couple things I want to highlight is that there are income-based permits.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 7935.559, "end": 7940.475, "text": "So based on your income, the rate for an annual permit is $65 or $155.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 7942.844, "end": 7944.782, "text": "There's also guest permits.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 7944.831, "end": 7953.277, "text": "So this was really important to the committee for caregivers and any visitors to the neighborhood to— that are regular and routine visitors.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 7953.326, "end": 7959.544, "text": "So we have a guest permit program, and we also have nonprofit permits available because there's a number of nonprofits in the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 7961.561, "end": 7968.161, "text": "So we have worked with the neighborhood for a couple of years, and since the establishment of the permit, we have been evaluating ever since.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 7969.37, "end": 7971.863, "text": "We then added a pay-to-park to this area.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 7971.928, "end": 7977.008, "text": "So if the— if you are not a permit holder, you must pay to park.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 7977.235, "end": 7978.486, "text": "The current rate is $5.40.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 7985.258, "end": 7995.25, "text": "Here on the screen is an occupancy study that was done during a Blazers and Winterhawks game in March of '26.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 7996.672, "end": 7999.809, "text": "During this year's data collection, the peak occupancy was 96%.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 7999.92, "end": 8003.503, "text": "96%, Which matches what we heard anecdotally from the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 8003.969, "end": 8008.837, "text": "Parking is still extremely constrained, and residents are having difficulty parking during events.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 8011.22, "end": 8019.956, "text": "As you can see from the screen, any, any block face in red is considered constrained, so 96% is really high for the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 8022.744, "end": 8025.338, "text": "We talk a lot about occupancy when it comes to parking management.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 8025.988, "end": 8028.597, "text": "And I want to show you a diagram about why this matters.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 8030.87, "end": 8039.695, "text": "So the peak occupancy in Eliot was 96%, which is— which means that some blocks were actually 100% and you could not find a space anywhere.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 8041.45, "end": 8053.086, "text": "When parking is this constrained, we also have other issues, mostly safety issues, because people tend to then park in front of fire hydrants, block vision clearance, And park over crosswalks.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 8054.969, "end": 8059.765, "text": "If you lived in Eliot and came home during a game, this is what you would experience.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 8066.227, "end": 8070.85, "text": "How PBOT manages parking is to, to keep the occupancy under 85%.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 8071.542, "end": 8074.141, "text": "So ideally, there'd be 1 to 3 spaces available.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 8075.345, "end": 8078.338, "text": "As you can see by the diagram that shows an 80% occupancy.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 8079.03, "end": 8084.506, "text": "So when a resident comes home from work or running an errand, we want them to be able to find a space on the street.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 8085.533, "end": 8090.849, "text": "And if they're a business or a nonprofit, we want their, their guests, their customers to be able to find a spot.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 8094.44, "end": 8107.324, "text": "Our proposal today is to increase the rate from $5.40 to $8 per hour only on the block faces that are experiencing the highest demand.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 8107.421, "end": 8114.425, "text": "So we will update— the proposal is to update the transportation fee schedule to create a new line item for an $8 rate.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 8118.292, "end": 8130.064, "text": "For event parking, if eventgoers must drive, we want them to be able to park in the area of the remaining area of the Lloyd Event District and not in the Eliot neighborhood.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 8130.88, "end": 8136.419, "text": "The rest of the Lloyd Event District is— are different types of uses, and the capacity for parking is there.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 8139.609, "end": 8144.759, "text": "Here is a zoomed-in version of that so you can see specifically which block faces are being impacted.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 8151.506, "end": 8161.534, "text": "Right, this is our proposal today, um, and as I said, I've been working with the neighborhood, and I am committed to making this program work Thank you.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 8161.679, "end": 8165.559, "text": "Is that the end?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 8165.785, "end": 8166.38, "text": "That's it.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 8166.429, "end": 8166.799, "text": "We're here.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 8166.928, "end": 8168.908, "text": "I'm sorry, we're happy to answer questions.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 8169.2, "end": 8169.714, "text": "Thank you, Raylee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 8170.099, "end": 8174.984, "text": "Um, uh, before we do that, is there— has anybody signed up to testify on this?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 8175.177, "end": 8176.992, "text": "We do have one invited testimony.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 8177.169, "end": 8177.715, "text": "One invited.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 8177.828, "end": 8180.865, "text": "Can we hear from that person before we have our conversation?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 8182.263, "end": 8182.73, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 8183.513, "end": 8184.396, "text": "Thank you for joining us.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 8185.649, "end": 8185.97, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 8186.066, "end": 8187.526, "text": "Thank you for— thanks for having me.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 8187.734, "end": 8189.275, "text": "Uh, for the record, I'm Jason Franklin.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 8189.419, "end": 8197.072, "text": "I live at 1907 Northeast Rodney Avenue, so within the parking district and within the proposed, um, $8 increase area.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 8197.152, "end": 8203.169, "text": "So, um, first I want to say thanks to Ray Lee and all the staff who've been working with the neighborhood for a long time.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 8203.458, "end": 8212.988, "text": "Uh, my wife and I have lived at our current, um, residence for 28 years, so we've seen the traffic, uh, gradually increase over the years.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 8213.325, "end": 8219.621, "text": "Um, Partially to more and more events in the district, which is great, and also more residents, which is also great.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 8220.151, "end": 8225.646, "text": "But as was pointed out, parking is a scarce resource and needs to be managed adequately.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 8226.015, "end": 8228.008, "text": "And currently that's just not the case.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 8228.265, "end": 8240.25, "text": "So as was pointed out, we do pay a yearly rate for our parking privilege of parking in front of, hopefully close to our house, and that's $155 a year.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 8241.133, "end": 8247.361, "text": "And that is in no way guarantees that we'll have any place to park on a game day or a major event.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 8247.554, "end": 8249.416, "text": "And so we just, we don't go out, right?", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 8250.106, "end": 8261.728, "text": "You want to make sure that you have groceries and don't have anything come up during a game day because you're not getting a space to park anywhere close to your house if you're in that impacted area that, that really indicated.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 8261.841, "end": 8267.363, "text": "So hopefully this increase will help alleviate that somewhat.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 8267.684, "end": 8279.415, "text": "I'm I'm not entirely convinced that $8 is even enough, really, given that it's, you know, $50 to park next to the arena and $25 to park across the street or whatever it is.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 8280.056, "end": 8286.05, "text": "So I think there will continue to be parking impacts, but this first step is important to take.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 8286.146, "end": 8296.326, "text": "And I think moving in more of a dynamic pricing, giving staff a little more leeway to continue to manage the district as we move forward, Working with the neighborhood association is going to be important.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 8296.406, "end": 8305.464, "text": "So, um, again, I want to thank you for your time and encourage you to vote yes on this resolution, move it to, um, or this ordinance, and move it to full council.", "speaker": "Jason Franklin" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 8305.769, "end": 8305.994, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 8306.749, "end": 8307.327, "text": "Well, thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 8307.391, "end": 8308.531, "text": "Thank you for being here today.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 8309.238, "end": 8312.177, "text": "Colleagues, I don't see any hands up yet, so I'm going to ask a question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 8312.915, "end": 8314.955, "text": "Um, can you— oh, we do.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 8315.019, "end": 8315.63, "text": "We have testifiers.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 8315.742, "end": 8316.513, "text": "Oh, we have another person.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 8316.946, "end": 8319.307, "text": "We have, we have 2 testifiers today.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 8319.436, "end": 8320.528, "text": "Yes, I thought it was just one.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 8320.64, "end": 8321.074, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 8321.447, "end": 8321.786, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 8321.866, "end": 8322.173, "text": "Super.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 8322.721, "end": 8326.124, "text": "We have Alan Redwick and Edan Krolowitz.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 8326.366, "end": 8327.221, "text": "Hi, Alan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 8327.318, "end": 8328.14, "text": "Thank you for being here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 8329.166, "end": 8329.625, "text": "Hello.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 8330.084, "end": 8332.721, "text": "I have extensive notes, but I'll try to be brief.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 8334.302, "end": 8334.672, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 8334.769, "end": 8335.83, "text": "My name is Alan Redwick.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 8335.975, "end": 8338.919, "text": "I'm currently the co-chair of the Eliot Neighborhood Association.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 8338.983, "end": 8341.509, "text": "I've been very involved in all of the committee meetings.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 8341.97, "end": 8345.427, "text": "There have been many, more than 20 over the years, talking about this process.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 8347.628, "end": 8350.292, "text": "You know, the first attempt for this was in 1992.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 8350.853, "end": 8355.073, "text": "In 2011, there was a mini area permit program that was created.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 8355.666, "end": 8360.929, "text": "In 2018, there were 2, like, pilot areas, Boise and Eliot, that were created.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 8362.004, "end": 8364.218, "text": "The parking task force started in 2022.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 8364.972, "end": 8366.047, "text": "This is now the second round.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 8366.095, "end": 8368.341, "text": "We tried permits, enforcement couldn't do it.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 8368.758, "end": 8378.956, "text": "Now we have meters, the price isn't high enough, and and we also have a larger plan, the North Northeast Plan, which is still waiting for you guys.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 8379.005, "end": 8390.541, "text": "We're waiting for staff to bring something to you guys that you could let us create a committee today, but you could also wait and instruct staff to come back with a little bit more information for you about that.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 8391.939, "end": 8395.121, "text": "But as Jason said, you know, people can't park in front of their house.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 8395.249, "end": 8398.029, "text": "The entire purpose of this district was to let people park in front of their house.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 8398.11, "end": 8407.93, "text": "So a lot of money, you know, $25,000 a year from residents, plus sounds like $750,000 in meter revenue, is going to not accomplish anything.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 8408.25, "end": 8414.21, "text": "I mean, revenue is great, but that's not what we tried to do, and we're quite frustrated.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 8414.21, "end": 8420.63, "text": "This Zone V was supposed to be like one of many things that we talked about during this parking area plan.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 8420.63, "end": 8434.717, "text": "As you know, like, we have several commercial districts in the area, and parking around those areas has been constrained as more housing has gotten built, and we aren't able to deal with any of those issues until the North Northeast Parking Plan is adopted.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 8434.847, "end": 8446.443, "text": "I think you guys have some potential language you could amend to the ordinance you have in front of you today if you wanted to pass that in my written testimony online.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 8448.18, "end": 8450.938, "text": "But there's a couple other problems with the current setup.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 8451.069, "end": 8463.571, "text": "One is most of the newer parking permit areas share 51% of their revenue with the area that they're set up in, but this one is currently just dumping all of its money somewhere else.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 8463.651, "end": 8464.797, "text": "We're not getting any benefits.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 8465.185, "end": 8473.32, "text": "We had tried to subsidize low-income permits, provide guest permits, which I guess disappeared in one of the iterations of this plan.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 8474.951, "end": 8486.858, "text": "So there were supposed to be some perks to the neighborhoods in the area that have been lost I think having a North Northeast parking district would allow us to continue the conversations and kind of get some of that stuff back.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 8488.92, "end": 8491.559, "text": "But we're pretty— I personally am frustrated.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 8491.623, "end": 8493.242, "text": "The people that live in the area are frustrated.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 8493.307, "end": 8496.367, "text": "I mean, they have additional enforcement, so they're getting parking tickets.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 8496.416, "end": 8512.7, "text": "I know someone is getting like their paychecks garnished to pay parking tickets based on the new district that was created because, you know, if you park in front of a anywhere that you're not supposed to, now you're gonna get— there's a lot of enforcement going around, so now you're gonna get ticketed.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 8513.51, "end": 8520.05, "text": "But there's, you know, the whole point of this was you should be able to park on your block or close to your house during the event.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 8520.2, "end": 8529.15, "text": "So I'm nervous that $8 is not gonna be enough, that this is not gonna come back to you for another 2 years and it'll be a totally different group of faces.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 8529.15, "end": 8536.092, "text": "And, you know, we're gonna be stuck dealing with the realities of this semi-failing parking district for a while.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 8536.205, "end": 8544.186, "text": "So if you want, I can read the suggested amendment language, but I don't know if that's worth your time.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 8544.267, "end": 8547.235, "text": "It's written down in the written testimony.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 8548.107, "end": 8561.668, "text": "I can give you more information about all the many, many meetings and phone calls I've had about this, but also, you know, I don't want to I'd love to have more of a discussion if that's—.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 8561.668, "end": 8564.343, "text": "Colleagues, um, do we have an opinion on the amendment?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 8566.174, "end": 8568.498, "text": "I, I would like for the testifier to read it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 8568.821, "end": 8569.999, "text": "Okay, okay, go ahead.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 8570.612, "end": 8582.007, "text": "Okay, so there's 3 pieces, um, that the Deputy City Administrator in Public Works is authorized to implement the North Northeast Parking District as outlined in the Parking Management Action Plan.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 8582.602, "end": 8583.746, "text": "This is a long document.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 8584.229, "end": 8587.37, "text": "It was created over 2 years second.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 8588.235, "end": 8589.325, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 8590.303, "end": 8600.991, "text": "The Portland Bureau of Transportation director is authorized to appoint a North Northeast Park and District Stakeholder Advisory Committee to inform future actions.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 8601.68, "end": 8608.442, "text": "Part 3, the Portland Bureau of Transportation will return to council to establish any new meter or permit programs.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 8608.826, "end": 8612.095, "text": "Without council action, meter or permit programs cannot be implemented.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 8612.712, "end": 8616.066, "text": "You know, I would love to not see that last one, but I know you guys will probably want control.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 8616.454, "end": 8620.035, "text": "So basically, this isn't really allowing us to do anything except keep talking.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 8620.956, "end": 8626.523, "text": "Um, otherwise, we're gonna have to come back and ask for permission again to continue that work.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 8627.168, "end": 8633.287, "text": "Um, so I'd love to not have to spend y'all's time—.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 8633.497, "end": 8634.111, "text": "No, thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 8634.386, "end": 8635.565, "text": "Thank you very much for that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 8635.743, "end": 8646.148, "text": "I'm, um, not as familiar with the process that PBOT uses on parking districts, so I'm not sure how— what their reaction is to this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 8647.766, "end": 8650.068, "text": "And it's not my district.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 8650.132, "end": 8655.158, "text": "I'm curious to know what Councilor Kanal might think about this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 8657.162, "end": 8657.308, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 8657.632, "end": 8657.762, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 8657.81, "end": 8663.121, "text": "Let's see if there's— are there other witnesses, other folks here to testify?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 8663.204, "end": 8664.387, "text": "That concludes testimony.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 8664.453, "end": 8667.075, "text": "Are there Testifier chose not to today.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 8667.156, "end": 8667.431, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 8667.802, "end": 8668.755, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 8669.256, "end": 8669.692, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 8670.225, "end": 8674.165, "text": "Yes, well, we have, um, a bunch of hands up starting with Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 8674.778, "end": 8679.295, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 8679.828, "end": 8681.134, "text": "Thank you for reading that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 8681.28, "end": 8691.921, "text": "Uh, how will PBOT measure whether the proposed $8 parking rates improves parking availability without creating unnecessary financial burden Really?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 8692.177, "end": 8693.764, "text": "You want to talk about that?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 8693.876, "end": 8694.005, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 8695.415, "end": 8703.847, "text": "So the reason why we proposed $8 is because we have a parking management manual that helps us dictate how much parking should be.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 8704.601, "end": 8710.917, "text": "And it also, based on that, we were— we doing $8 an hour, we're hoping to see a decrease in occupancy.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 8711.815, "end": 8719.262, "text": "Now, we are actively working with the property managers in the neighborhood to make sure that residents are purchasing permits.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 8720.083, "end": 8735.927, "text": "And we know that if there, if there, the, there is a low-income discount, so we are, are promoting that and just making sure that they have permits because it is much more inexpensive than paying for parking on a daily basis.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 8741.014, "end": 8742.125, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 8743.832, "end": 8745.42, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 8745.66, "end": 8748.948, "text": "Um, so first, uh, thanks for bringing this forward.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 8749.044, "end": 8749.204, "text": "I'm—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 8749.204, "end": 8750.487, "text": "It's my district, obviously.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 8750.535, "end": 8753.646, "text": "I'm happy to see the, the, the work that PBOT's done in this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 8754.239, "end": 8761.552, "text": "Um, while I'm very, um, excited about the idea, you know, obviously Moda Center, Veterans Memorial Coliseum bring necessary business to the district.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 8761.696, "end": 8769.826, "text": "Obviously we see, um, the effects of that when you're at Cartside or Tamale Boy or, or anywhere else, um, on Williams, for example.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 8769.89, "end": 8773.541, "text": "Uh, it's, it's There's a lot of impact as well on adjacent neighbors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 8775.2, "end": 8781.515, "text": "We've seen a lot of testimony and emails come in around event parking spilling into the neighborhood.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 8782.72, "end": 8785.403, "text": "You've obviously backed that up with the data today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 8785.547, "end": 8802.669, "text": "And I think the idea is that we should be taking a step to make it a little less attractive for eventgoers to park on residential streets and therefore create more spaces while protecting as we implement that, residents and permit holders from any of the potential negative effects.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 8803.359, "end": 8806.153, "text": "I did have a question around a few different things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 8806.266, "end": 8818.806, "text": "So heard about from neighborhood businesses like Lazydays Brewing, for example, about some of the unintended impacts of this approach around customer access and confusion about when event pricing is in effect.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 8818.854, "end": 8819.095, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 8819.352, "end": 8827.843, "text": "And so I wanted to just kind of understand that as someone who's been to Lazydays a few times, trying to, you know, make sure that they're able to succeed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 8827.94, "end": 8834.729, "text": "But how is— yeah, it seems like you know where this question is going, so I'll just let you do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 8835.082, "end": 8838.469, "text": "Yeah, we have heard from Lazydays Brewing as well.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 8839.56, "end": 8844.038, "text": "That area is not proposed for a change in the pricing meter parking.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 8845.419, "end": 8849.303, "text": "The top part, we're not proposing to change the meter rate.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 8849.351, "end": 8852.256, "text": "So it's a little bit separate from the ordinance we brought today.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 8852.898, "end": 8861.504, "text": "But we also, We are really glad that through this process we have opened up the avenues for more engagement with those stakeholders in that area.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 8861.568, "end": 8873.241, "text": "It's— there's some office buildings, there's some new multifamily housing, there's Harriet Tubman School, Lazydays Brewing, and we want to continue to work with them to figure out what the solution to the problem is there.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 8873.595, "end": 8882.615, "text": "Is it the way the signage is displayed, which I rode my bike by this morning and looked at and It's a little confusing, so I think we can work on it.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 8882.679, "end": 8883.85, "text": "So can we work on the signage?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 8883.978, "end": 8888.661, "text": "Can we understand better what the issues are from all the stakeholders and figure out what the solution is?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 8888.773, "end": 8892.798, "text": "So we are committed to continuing that conversation and figuring it out.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 8892.847, "end": 8904.474, "text": "I don't have an easy solution to offer you today, but we are going to stay in the conversation, and that is not impacted by the ordinance that is before you today.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 8905.035, "end": 8905.179, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 8905.676, "end": 8913.358, "text": "And I think you're raising, it's a good pivot into my next question, 'cause signage is another thing that's come up and broadly enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 8913.47, "end": 8914.561, "text": "We get a lot of emails.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 8915.539, "end": 8931.335, "text": "I know that Councilor Perlegany has also mentioned it to me that there have been concerns about enforcement, concerns about lack thereof, meaning there are people who are alleged to be parking longer than the stated time limits as well as not paying at all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 8932.781, "end": 8940.796, "text": "And obviously it can feel like I, you know, if you're a resident there, I have to pay for a $110 a year permit and other people are kind of getting away with not doing so.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 8940.844, "end": 8945.487, "text": "So I wanted to, I wanted to just kind of ask about that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 8945.567, "end": 8951.623, "text": "There's one side of it, which is ensuring that everybody knows what the standard is, and signage is a part of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 8951.671, "end": 8953.422, "text": "But the other piece is sort of PBOT's enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 8954, "end": 8955.446, "text": "Can you speak to how that's going to work?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 8955.51, "end": 8962.32, "text": "Yeah, I really appreciate the framing of the two-sided equation of both making our expectations Communication's clear and then making sure everyone follows the same set of rules.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 8962.914, "end": 8965.884, "text": "We've had a lot of conversations about how to improve enforcement in this area.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 8965.948, "end": 8967.457, "text": "Do you want to talk about the strategies?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 8967.89, "end": 8968.131, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 8969.159, "end": 8979.818, "text": "Yeah, we know that pricing alone is not the only tool that's going to fix this issue, so we are working with parking enforcement on a couple other strategies.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 8980.332, "end": 8990.039, "text": "We plan to have, especially during the, the beginning of the season, really have focused enforcement in that area.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 8990.696, "end": 8992.251, "text": "So that is one plan.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 8992.604, "end": 9037.837, "text": "We also are still engaging with the residents on ensuring them that they get permits and then putting out some temporary signs, letting people know the rules and knowing also what the potential citations could be so that it encourages them to pay to and then along— and one other thing along with this proposal is that it actually will allow for us to highlight this neighborhood and send it to, you know, work with Rip City Communications so that they can now put a map on, you know, on their website that says, do you know, we do not encourage you to park here, we encourage you to park in the rest of the event district.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 9037.997, "end": 9039.073, "text": "And we did not have that prior.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 9039.121, "end": 9039.249, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 9042.042, "end": 9043.491, "text": "Okay, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 9043.877, "end": 9059.146, "text": "Um, so, you know, in the financial and budgetary impacts, it says that the anticipation is that this is going to be revenue neutral because even though we're increasing the number— or sorry, we're decreasing the number of people who pay even as we're increasing the amount each person pays.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 9060, "end": 9061.964, "text": "Um, I had 2 questions related to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 9062.045, "end": 9064.675, "text": "One is, can we earmark any additional revenue to pay for this?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 9064.723, "end": 9064.788, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 9065.874, "end": 9070.117, "text": "Revenue that does come in if those projections are off for signage and enforcement?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 9072.564, "end": 9074.642, "text": "Is that something doable on your end?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 9074.819, "end": 9078.845, "text": "We can certainly talk about how any additional revenues get spent.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 9079.506, "end": 9085.81, "text": "I would want to consult with our interim director who's sitting in the back about how we might do that.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 9086.327, "end": 9086.44, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 9087.133, "end": 9097.596, "text": "And then similarly, has there been analysis done on if there's an expected increase to revenues in the parking garages.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 9099.434, "end": 9109.988, "text": "Because if the idea is to displace event parking from the streets, some of that may end up being transit, of course, but some of it may also end up being parking in the Rip City garages.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 9110.92, "end": 9111.648, "text": "I think the—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 9111.761, "end": 9126.789, "text": "I think, you know, with the city's on-street parking management in this small area going up to $8 an hour, we're hoping that it helps people find parking in other areas, whether that's off-street in a lot or in the rest of the event district where the parking rates aren't changing.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 9127.286, "end": 9135.757, "text": "So most of the Lloyd District event district will remain at that $5.40 an hour, and there is capacity for more people to park in the rest of that Lloyd event district.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 9135.821, "end": 9157.876, "text": "So we're hoping instead of parking in the, in the residential neighborhood that has a negative impact on the people who live there, people instead park in the rest of the Lloyd District where the land use context is, is more that opens up a question of if that makes those areas above 85%, should we expect that you're checking that frequently and coming back to us at that point?", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 9157.94, "end": 9166.014, "text": "Because I'd prefer that over, you know, neighborhood associations raising it and not feeling like that's reflected, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 9167.193, "end": 9168.743, "text": "Yeah, we will continue to monitor.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 9169.308, "end": 9171.279, "text": "So we will be doing another parking study.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 9171.86, "end": 9173.475, "text": "We do one once to twice a year.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 9173.957, "end": 9180.617, "text": "Year to check to make sure that the occupancy is at that level that we want to see it at.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 9180.762, "end": 9185.203, "text": "So we do the entire Lloyd Event District once to twice a year.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 9186.135, "end": 9186.36, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 9188.69, "end": 9196.846, "text": "The last thing that I wanted to raise is, you know, when we're on the topic of earmarks, and I don't think there's enough revenue to make this all work, but I am concerned about affordability.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 9196.926, "end": 9204.878, "text": "I appreciate that there is a That there is an option for low-income residents to get a $65 permit annually instead of a $110.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 9205.458, "end": 9208.051, "text": "But obviously, if you live elsewhere, it's free to park on the street.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 9208.604, "end": 9215.817, "text": "So I just wanted to understand in terms of one, making sure that there's awareness of the eligibility for the discount program.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 9215.962, "end": 9216.717, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 9217.392, "end": 9220.355, "text": "I know there's a lot of folks who don't know that they could get that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 9222.27, "end": 9226.992, "text": "And then the other piece is there's Streamlining of the online application.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 9227.041, "end": 9232.306, "text": "We've gotten feedback on that being a fairly arduous process to my office.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 9232.37, "end": 9235.471, "text": "So also, just one other thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 9236.327, "end": 9240.332, "text": "Is this in fact going to be the highest rate for event parking anywhere in the city?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 9240.995, "end": 9243.11, "text": "Because that's— I've gotten that in email, but I don't know if that's true.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 9244.766, "end": 9254.431, "text": "Right now, in the Northwest Parking District around Providence Park, I think the rate right now is $7 an hour.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 9255.739, "end": 9256.87, "text": "Okay, so this would pass that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 9256.951, "end": 9265.672, "text": "Okay, so then, you know, I would request that, you know, when we're talking about farmers markets and neighborhood association meetings and all that, just being visible to kind of let people know what's changing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 9265.948, "end": 9272.188, "text": "I think the first time they should learn about it would ideally not be the ticket that they get, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 9272.333, "end": 9274.457, "text": "Which it happens everywhere.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 9274.505, "end": 9279.908, "text": "It's not specific to this part of the city or even the city, but I just wanted to excellent point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 9280.294, "end": 9284.722, "text": "I will move to refer it with a do pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 9284.947, "end": 9285.669, "text": "Oh, the amendment?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 9285.765, "end": 9286.423, "text": "No, the ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 9286.567, "end": 9287.065, "text": "Oh, the ordinance.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 9287.129, "end": 9287.707, "text": "Oh, thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 9288.557, "end": 9289.231, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 9289.921, "end": 9292.873, "text": "And actually Providence Park is $7.40.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 9293.708, "end": 9293.884, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 9294.045, "end": 9296.179, "text": "So maybe this is inflation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 9296.259, "end": 9297.366, "text": "I always take the max, so I'm—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 9297.479, "end": 9299.356, "text": "Right, right.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 9299.725, "end": 9300.062, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 9300.704, "end": 9305.02, "text": "So I have a— the motion's been moved by Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 9305.084, "end": 9305.421, "text": "Is there a second?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 9305.743, "end": 9306.241, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 9310.071, "end": 9313.679, "text": "It's been seconded by Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 9315.069, "end": 9325.674, "text": "I— sorry, we can have some more discussion, but I was going to ask PBOT for their opinion about the amendment that our witness has offered up.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 9326.762, "end": 9340.406, "text": "So the amendment that the witness offered is very similar to what we hope to bring to you as a north— when we ask you to consider the north-northeast parking Plan in its complete form.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 9342.48, "end": 9352.555, "text": "Whether or not you want to consider that today without the presentation and full discussion of the North and Northeast Parking Plan is really up to you as the council committee.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 9352.604, "end": 9354.311, "text": "Kristen, when do you intend to bring that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 9354.713, "end": 9356.13, "text": "It's ready to bring to you.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 9356.243, "end": 9370.239, "text": "It's been a minute since we finished it, and so Rayleigh has actually been doing a bit more stakeholder engagement to make make sure stakeholders who have moved into the area since we completed our outreach are aware of the plan and how it will impact them.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 9370.303, "end": 9383.591, "text": "So we would, um, I think in our perfect world, we would finish that outreach over the next, uh, 6 to 8 weeks and come back to you, I think, probably in January, given what— how we understand your, um, current agendas.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 9384.024, "end": 9385.95, "text": "But we could be ready to come back sooner if you'd like.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 9386.897, "end": 9389.785, "text": "Well, I'm open, uh, should someone like to move that amendment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 9393.865, "end": 9401.108, "text": "I just wanted to say that a bunch of the concerns that Commissioner Kanal is bringing up, we right now have like an ad hoc email list where we talk about these things.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 9401.303, "end": 9406.558, "text": "We— creating a committee would be actually quite helpful to address all of those concerns in a more structured way.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 9406.655, "end": 9408.338, "text": "So if that's—.", "speaker": "Alan Redwick" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 9408.402, "end": 9409.567, "text": "Let's stay on point here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 9409.728, "end": 9413.976, "text": "So, um, I don't see anybody offering— what?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 9414.585, "end": 9415.967, "text": "Oh, I'm sorry, in the queue.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 9416.503, "end": 9417.242, "text": "I forgot the queue.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 9417.692, "end": 9420.407, "text": "How about Councilor Green gets an opportunity?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 9420.905, "end": 9422.303, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 9422.431, "end": 9431.701, "text": "Um, I was going to ask, uh, Councilor Kanal, who is the only member of the committee who lives in the district, what your appetite is for the specific language.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 9431.829, "end": 9433.098, "text": "You think it's appropriate at this time?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 9434.4, "end": 9439.444, "text": "Yeah, I, I— it's not about the time, it's about the legislative vehicle.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 9439.701, "end": 9440.938, "text": "I just want to be clear about that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 9440.986, "end": 9446.656, "text": "I think that there are a lot of things in the plan So, you know, looking at, there's 3 things that were floated in here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 9447.972, "end": 9458.762, "text": "You know, one is on authorization to implement the plan, which I think is the broader conversation that our staff was just talking about in terms of doing that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 9460.256, "end": 9462.809, "text": "The second thing is appointing a stakeholder committee.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 9463.065, "end": 9472.315, "text": "The third thing I think is fair to talk about the idea that whether or not council needs to approve any further meter or permit programs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 9472.493, "end": 9478.031, "text": "I think that's already effectively in place in terms of— we have to change the rates, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 9478.102, "end": 9481.766, "text": "So if there is a new program, no problem with that piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 9481.879, "end": 9490.664, "text": "But in terms of committee, obviously I've expressed, not based on being in District 2, but just my experience with committees of wanting to make sure we do that right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 9492.3, "end": 9498.29, "text": "And then the second piece is I would like to hear the I think there's, there's a lot more in there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 9498.562, "end": 9499.797, "text": "It is a very long document.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 9499.845, "end": 9500.213, "text": "That's fair.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 9500.902, "end": 9501.912, "text": "So we will reschedule.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 9502.008, "end": 9506.031, "text": "I don't know, uh, Acting Director just stepped up and I think wants to maybe make a comment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 9507.153, "end": 9518.452, "text": "Yes, I'm Interim Director Wendy Cully for PBOT, and I just wanted to share that we would be glad to bring this back to you after Rayleigh finishes her outreach.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 9518.997, "end": 9519.462, "text": "There's some—.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 9519.991, "end": 9524.562, "text": "It's been a complicated plan and we've put a lot of effort into it and just want to make sure that It's complete.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 9524.933, "end": 9526.4, "text": "So I would appreciate the extra time.", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 9527.029, "end": 9527.335, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 9527.529, "end": 9528.432, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 9528.496, "end": 9529.431, "text": "Councilor Green, do you have any—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 9529.463, "end": 9531.414, "text": "Yeah, yeah, still have some discussion here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 9533.092, "end": 9549.331, "text": "So, um, I heard, um, I, I think what I'm worried about is, and I don't think this is the intent of the Bureau, but, um, you know, 8 weeks becomes maybe 10 weeks, and then it— I feel like there's been a lot of engagement on this probably hitherto.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 9549.866, "end": 9550.203, "text": "To date.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 9550.428, "end": 9560.223, "text": "And, um, I wonder if there's just some appetite to put some declarative language that, like, there's a time certain this comes back, maybe before the end of the calendar year or something like that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 9560.544, "end": 9565.65, "text": "Um, I don't know if we can do that on the fly, if that's something that can happen after this committee, before council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 9566.726, "end": 9568.733, "text": "Um, I don't think we have time on our agenda.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 9568.973, "end": 9571.221, "text": "Okay, well, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 9571.382, "end": 9575.139, "text": "I am going to think about what to do before this goes to the full body.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 9575.679, "end": 9581.574, "text": "To put some sort of assuring language in that we are not in the business of— like, we want to move fast, we really do.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 9582.058, "end": 9584.928, "text": "And, um, but I'm going to respect that it's your district, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 9585.554, "end": 9595.259, "text": "So maybe I'll talk to you about that offline before we— but so I'll support this getting out of committee, but then I think I want to make sure that we can maybe add something before the full council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 9595.522, "end": 9596.95, "text": "Thank you, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 9598.52, "end": 9604.124, "text": "All right, colleagues, we have a motion on the floor it's been moved by Councilor Kanal, seconded by Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 9604.22, "end": 9605.871, "text": "If there's not any more discussion—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 9605.871, "end": 9606.769, "text": "30 Seconds.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 9607.185, "end": 9609.253, "text": "Okay, we're running behind, just a warning.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 9609.445, "end": 9617.875, "text": "So yeah, first, just one, I want to follow up on lazy days and the signage and all that stuff, and I'd love a briefing with you on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 9617.939, "end": 9626.754, "text": "Secondly, just want to make sure that we're— I agree with the idea of ensuring that there's a timeline pursuant to whatever limitations we have on the schedule.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 9627.139, "end": 9628.71, "text": "I do want to have the big conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 9628.838, "end": 9631.017, "text": "I think there are probably a lot of stakeholders who want to be involved.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 9631.179, "end": 9632.809, "text": "In the conversation when we get to that plan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 9633.244, "end": 9636.553, "text": "And I think before the end of the year is, is, is a— would be a goal for me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 9637.198, "end": 9643.072, "text": "Um, if it needs till January, I, you know, I understand, but it is also complicated with our schedule situation changing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 9643.347, "end": 9643.589, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 9645.606, "end": 9645.848, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 9645.912, "end": 9648.312, "text": "And we, we'll take a look at the schedule, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 9648.505, "end": 9650.032, "text": "We'll take it— we'll take another look.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 9650.739, "end": 9651.478, "text": "Um, great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 9651.703, "end": 9654.34, "text": "Um, there's no further discussion.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 9654.999, "end": 9656.429, "text": "Uh, Diana, would you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 9658.45, "end": 9658.852, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 9659.995, "end": 9660.043, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 9660.832, "end": 9661.106, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 9663.134, "end": 9663.182, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 9664.036, "end": 9664.245, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 9664.663, "end": 9664.76, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 9665.404, "end": 9665.935, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 9666.193, "end": 9666.37, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 9666.66, "end": 9667.159, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 9667.4, "end": 9667.448, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 9668.286, "end": 9676.94, "text": "Uh, with 5 ayes, the motion to refer the ordinance document number 2026-364 to the City Council with a recommendation it be passed has passed.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 9677.819, "end": 9678.812, "text": "Great, thank you all.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 9678.877, "end": 9680.163, "text": "Thanks for all your good work, Raylee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 9680.326, "end": 9681.059, "text": "I appreciate it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 9681.401, "end": 9685.768, "text": "And, um, I'm sure we'll see you again, potentially soon.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 9687.339, "end": 9689.767, "text": "Um, Diana, would you please call or read the next item?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 9691.55, "end": 9706.926, "text": "Item number 4, document number 2026-365, authorize the acceptance of real property from the Oregon Department of Transportation and approve a memorandum of understanding for future property transactions.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 9709.344, "end": 9714.762, "text": "This ordinance accepts the transfer from an ODOT-owned parcel of land to the city.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 9715.291, "end": 9721.141, "text": "It's located adjacent to the intersection of Southwest Naito Parkway and South Sherman Street.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 9721.767, "end": 9726.223, "text": "It also approves an MOU between the city and ODOT for future property transactions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 9726.271, "end": 9730.07, "text": "So with that, um, David, you want to take over?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 9731.384, "end": 9731.817, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 9732.186, "end": 9736.844, "text": "Um, good morning, Councilor— or Chair Clark, good evening, Council Clerk and councilors.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 9736.925, "end": 9738.232, "text": "My name is David McEldowney.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 9738.845, "end": 9748.481, "text": "I am PBOT's— excuse me— Real Property Services Division Manager, and I'm joined by Kevin Ballock, who's a supervisor in the property management section.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 9749.498, "end": 9752.42, "text": "Um, do you want to get the presentation up on the screen?", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 9758.174, "end": 9760.056, "text": "It's not letting me share here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 9762.901, "end": 9766.253, "text": "So when the presentation gets up there, we'll have a map.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 9766.35, "end": 9770.202, "text": "I just wanted to give you a little additional orientation here.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 9781.714, "end": 9782.119, "text": "Do we have it?", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 9782.216, "end": 9784.355, "text": "I think we all have it handy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 9784.631, "end": 9785.36, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 9786.921, "end": 9794.531, "text": "So while you continue to work on that, as Councilor Clark mentioned— yes, here we go.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 9795.89, "end": 9798.733, "text": "The property is bounded by Southwest Naito.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 9801.164, "end": 9807.022, "text": "The picture, the left hand is north and right hand is south.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 9807.539, "end": 9808.684, "text": "Top of the picture is east.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 9810.703, "end": 9812.572, "text": "I-405 is just off to the east.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 9816.17, "end": 9817.01, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 9817.236, "end": 9827.791, "text": "The ordinance that PBOT is bringing today involves the MOU with ODOT that contemplates the transfer of land to the city as well as future property transfers.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 9828.691, "end": 9842.775, "text": "I believe the committee is familiar with some of these parcels from a previous trade that we had with ODOT that resulted in the expansion of the Saferest Village, which you can see there at the bottom of the screen on the south side of Naito Parkway.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 9842.953, "end": 9845.884, "text": "I'll cover some history really quickly here.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 9847.39, "end": 9848.64, "text": "Kevin, I think I have the slides out of order.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 9848.689, "end": 9850.557, "text": "If you'll go to slide 3, please.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 9852.55, "end": 9852.841, "text": "One more.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 9853.31, "end": 9853.731, "text": "That's on there.", "speaker": "Kristen Hall" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 9854.928, "end": 9855.365, "text": "One more.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 9859.75, "end": 9860.135, "text": "One more.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 9864.042, "end": 9864.427, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 9864.508, "end": 9864.91, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 9865.633, "end": 9865.874, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 9866.212, "end": 9872.875, "text": "The parcels we're discussing today were formally improved with the Harbor Freeway, yes.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 9872.94, "end": 9877.151, "text": "The majority of the former freeway land was jointly owned by ODOT and the city.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 9879.05, "end": 9887.097, "text": "So in order to assemble the land needed for the Safe Rest Village, the 2 agencies traded property rights in 2021 and 2025.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 9887.872, "end": 9898.938, "text": "Presently, ODOT and PBOT have reached a tentative agreement in which the state will transfer to the city 2 parcels of land adjacent to the International Kevin, if you go back to slide 2.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 9899.959, "end": 9901.142, "text": "These are the 2 parcels.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 9901.255, "end": 9905.642, "text": "They sit in between the International School property and Naito Parkway.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 9907.24, "end": 9916.957, "text": "The slide shows the 2 parcels of land that would be immediately transferred to the city if the ordinance is passed.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 9917.812, "end": 9927.598, "text": "And if they look familiar, that's because we had traded our 60% undivided interest to the state in the last trade to secure the rest of the land for the Safe Rest Village.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 9929.722, "end": 9942.149, "text": "PBOT is anticipating that if the ordinance is approved, the city will resume our prior relationship with the International School as it relates to stewardship of this land while long-term options are evaluated.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 9942.637, "end": 9943.403, "text": "Slide 4, please.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 9946.289, "end": 9946.587, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 9948.803, "end": 9949.466, "text": "This is 4.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 9953.168, "end": 9953.426, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 9953.491, "end": 9953.895, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 9954.703, "end": 9960.878, "text": "Following the initial property transfer, the heart of the MOU addresses the remaining lands, which you see on your screen now.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 9961.75, "end": 9974.002, "text": "As you can see, the property on the north end is owned 100% by ODOT, while the other parcels are jointly owned 60/40, with the city having 60% and the state having 40%.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 9975.003, "end": 9991.618, "text": "The MOU provides the city with options to either A, completely acquire ODOT's property interests through cash purchase, B, trade the property rights or trade property rights of equivalent value with ODOT to decouple joint ownership.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 9991.762, "end": 10002.909, "text": "What that may look like is ODOT would own some of the land, we would own, you know, another part of that land, or C, decouple joint ownership through a combination of property rights and cash.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 10004.177, "end": 10008.077, "text": "All 3 options would allow the city to land bank these parcels for future use.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 10009.393, "end": 10012.281, "text": "The properties would be appraised to determine the market value.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 10012.538, "end": 10013.196, "text": "Slide 5.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 10014.384, "end": 10029.802, "text": "PBOT is requesting that the committee move forward the— or move the ordinance forward to the full council, and that the council authorize the city administrator to approve and accept the transfer deed from ODOT For the 2 parcels next to the International School.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 10031.228, "end": 10044.977, "text": "We are recommending that council authorize PBOT to pursue the terms of the MOU, and if the property trades are recommended under options B or C, return to council and seek authorization for such transactions.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 10045.715, "end": 10047.333, "text": "This concludes our presentation.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 10047.413, "end": 10049.144, "text": "We'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 10049.721, "end": 10050.314, "text": "Thank you, David.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 10051.163, "end": 10051.708, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 10052.445, "end": 10052.541, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 10055.188, "end": 10056.343, "text": "Thank you for the presentation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 10056.872, "end": 10066.144, "text": "What is the potential for affordable or workforce housing development on these properties, and what would it cost the city to pursue that opportunity?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 10066.481, "end": 10068.229, "text": "That's an excellent question.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 10068.742, "end": 10086.859, "text": "I don't know if the report ever came out, but there was a draft report here a couple years ago that evaluated city-owned properties, and these properties were, I don't know, in the top 15 or 20, whatever it was, for affordable housing properties.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 10087.279, "end": 10094.457, "text": "Not the 2 by the International School per se, but everything else that you saw in that last slide.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 10096.47, "end": 10101.073, "text": "They, as far as the cost, I can't answer that question for you.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 10101.138, "end": 10103.106, "text": "That'd be a Portland Housing Bureau question.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 10103.562, "end": 10106.817, "text": "But I do know that they were high on the list for candidates.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 10112.139, "end": 10114.335, "text": "Thanks, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 10114.399, "end": 10116.177, "text": "Just a process question on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 10116.386, "end": 10122.908, "text": "Um, for the— in the, uh, MOU, the, the transfer makes perfect sense to me, and I appreciate it, and I appreciate you being here and all the work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 10124.077, "end": 10132.907, "text": "On the MOU, there's Part 5, uh, which is on inability to perform, and it's what happens if we can't agree, and it says transferring it back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 10133.227, "end": 10143.145, "text": "Why was the default transferring it back as opposed to just paying the If we pay the appraised value, then there is no need.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 10143.258, "end": 10144.168, "text": "There is no default.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 10144.8, "end": 10150.653, "text": "I mean, that is an option that, that would fall in one of the other options that I presented to you.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 10151.041, "end": 10154.965, "text": "So maybe outside of the scope of this, it sounds like the preferred option is trading land though.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 10156.64, "end": 10161.538, "text": "Well, I've heard interest in the city acquiring all of the land, all of the ownership.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 10161.904, "end": 10163.211, "text": "And land banking that.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 10163.598, "end": 10164.163, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 10166.1, "end": 10176.695, "text": "But the other options are really if the city is unable to come up with the funds to do that, then that provides us options to trade away portions of that land.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 10177.881, "end": 10186.887, "text": "And the reality of it is if we did that, you'd still have another bite at the apple because of the— and I know Councilor Clark's very familiar with the state's rules.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 10187.834, "end": 10195.242, "text": "Surrounding surplus property, but we would have another crack to acquire that from the state at that point.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 10195.37, "end": 10198.279, "text": "But it shouldn't need to go that far.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 10198.841, "end": 10208.723, "text": "This is just— it's always nice to have an option in an MOU or any agreement that allows you to reset things if you can't reach agreement.", "speaker": "David McEldowney" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 10209.189, "end": 10209.639, "text": "That makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 10209.832, "end": 10219.452, "text": "Yeah, I guess just— I appreciate this because clear control of these is a good— it's a city interest, I think, to open the door to future affordable housing or social housing development.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 10219.5, "end": 10221.17, "text": "So would love to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 10221.234, "end": 10223.273, "text": "And I know many of us care about land banking a lot.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 10223.482, "end": 10223.819, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 10224.044, "end": 10225.441, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 10225.505, "end": 10227.464, "text": "Councilor Green, do you have a question or comment?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 10227.593, "end": 10231.414, "text": "No, I'd just like to move to refer this to the full council with our do-pass recommendation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 10231.703, "end": 10232.072, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 10232.345, "end": 10232.827, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 10232.955, "end": 10233.389, "text": "Terrific.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 10234.015, "end": 10238.527, "text": "It's been moved and seconded by Councilor Green and Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 10239.303, "end": 10243.299, "text": "I don't think we have anybody signed up to testify on this, do we?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 10243.93, "end": 10244.756, "text": "No one signed up.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 10245.225, "end": 10245.613, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 10246.018, "end": 10251.749, "text": "Um, if there's not any further discussion, uh, will the clerk please call the roll?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 10252.959, "end": 10253.185, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Tate White" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 10254.814, "end": 10254.895, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 10255.734, "end": 10256.008, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 10256.589, "end": 10256.637, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 10259.574, "end": 10260.041, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 10260.703, "end": 10260.751, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 10261.526, "end": 10261.832, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 10262.171, "end": 10262.316, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 10262.962, "end": 10273.68, "text": "Uh, and with 5 ayes, the motion to refer the ordinance document number 2023- Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 10273.68, "end": 10274.5, "text": "Thank you, David.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 10274.5, "end": 10275.92, "text": "Thank you, staff, for being here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 10275.92, "end": 10279.7, "text": "I know it's been kind of an arduous, arduous deal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 10279.7, "end": 10280.49, "text": "Appreciate your time.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 10281.74, "end": 10284.22, "text": "Uh, colleagues, look at us, we caught up.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 10284.22, "end": 10286.54, "text": "We're, we're, we're a good team.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 10286.54, "end": 10289.81, "text": "Um, our next meeting is in 2 weeks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 10289.94, "end": 10291.06, "text": "What, you're laughing at me?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 10291.06, "end": 10291.36, "text": "No, I like it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 10291.36, "end": 10292.33, "text": "We just got a gold star.", "speaker": "Raylee Stark" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 10292.46, "end": 10293.18, "text": "We are.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 10294.369, "end": 10297.1, "text": "Um, just call me Teacher Clark.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 10297.228, "end": 10298.417, "text": "Yeah, that's good.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 10298.53, "end": 10304.924, "text": "Um, we're going to reconvene on October the 27th, and we'll continue the discussion of autonomous vehicles.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 10305.438, "end": 10309.824, "text": "We'll have probably some more administrative items from PBOT, I'm thinking.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 10310.58, "end": 10314.419, "text": "We'll see what— if we have any other time for other things that came up today.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 10315.496, "end": 10320.669, "text": "So if there's not any other discussion, I will adjourn the meeting of the Public Works Committee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" } ] }