{ "meetingId": "2026-10-08-fgc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Finance & Governance Committee (Whole) 10/08/26", "displayTitle": "Finance & Governance Committee (Whole)", "date": "2026-10-08T09:28:00-07:00", "duration": 190, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCp61kPLDq8", "videoId": "hCp61kPLDq8", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole/2026/10/8", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 1, "title": "Committee Chair updates", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-349" }, { "number": 2, "title": "Amend Business License Law Code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO Pay Ratio Surtax and gross receipts exemption amount (amend Code Sections 7.02.400 and 7.02.500)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/fairsharetax" } ], "summary": "**The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole continued the Fair Share Tax — which would raise the business license tax exemption to $500,000 and restructure the CEO pay ratio surtax — to its October 15 meeting after hearing roughly 30 public testifiers, taking no vote ([03:09:31](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@03:09:31)).**\n\n## The Fair Share Tax proposal\n\nThe ordinance, introduced by Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) with four co-sponsors, does two things. It raises the business license tax exemption from $75,000 to $500,000 in gross receipts, which sponsors said would exempt about **18,000 small businesses** — 97.8% seeing their tax drop to zero — at an average saving of **$900** a year, roughly $14 million kept in the local economy. And it adds new brackets to the pay ratio surtax Portland adopted in 2016, affecting about **405 publicly traded corporations** that report a CEO-to-median-worker pay ratio under federal law. The current 2.6% business license tax carries a 10% surtax at a 100-to-1 ratio; the proposal starts the surtax at 50-to-1 and ties the rate to the ratio, reaching a 500% surtax on the business license tax for firms at 500-to-1 or greater.\n\nGreen opened by saying corporate profits after tax as a share of gross domestic product are the highest on record since 1947: [\"Large corporations have never been more profitable, even after taxes, in the United States of America than they are right now.\"](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@00:17:08) Morillo said CEO pay at the largest U.S. corporations rose 1,094% since 1978 while a typical worker's pay grew 26%, citing the Economic Policy Institute. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), a co-sponsor, said nine of ten Portland employers have 10 or fewer workers. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) framed the $900 figure as \"real money\" to a neighborhood business.\n\nSponsors offered two revenue figures. Using fiscal year 2024 as a counterfactual, the revenue department estimated an incremental **$72 million**, but the city economist and chief financial officer applied conservative assumptions and projected about **$33 million a year** going forward. Green said the ordinance delays the small-business exemption until the year after new revenue begins to collect, to manage volatility.\n\n## Questions from the dais\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3), who sponsored the original 2016 surtax, asked whether top payers might refer the measure to the ballot, noting San Francisco voters rejected a pay ratio tax increase. CFO Jonas Beery said there is \"broad litigious risk\" and that liability is heavily concentrated: he said at least two taxpayers each pay more than $5 million a year, and that one taxpayer paid over $20 million in a single year ([01:06:00](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@01:06:00)). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) asked whether phasing in the exemptions would make the revenue more predictable.\n\n## What the public said\n\nTestimony ran heavily in favor. Tim Shaw of Bold Coffee and Books said he and his partner pay over **$7,000** a year in taxes and licenses and that September costs rose 5% over August. Sarah Anderson, global economy director at the Institute for Policy Studies, who advised Novick in 2016, said the original surtax has averaged about $5 million a year and that a national poll found 80% of likely voters favored such a tax, including 89% of Democrats and 71% of Republicans. Noah Bernstein of Bernstein's Bagels said small businesses are 94% of Portland businesses and 35% of the workforce. Dionne Mensah of the Oregon Black Worker Center said the Black jobless rate rose from 6% to 7% between August and September. The Starbucks figure of a 1,800-to-1 CEO ratio — a $31 million CEO against a $17,000 median worker — recurred across speakers.\n\nSeveral opponents testified. A District 4 resident named Brian said the issue belongs in Congress and that the tax could discourage employers from competing for Portland workers. Joe Squires, a District 2 business owner, said taxing businesses \"isn't the solution\" and estimated a roughly $500 surcharge on a family of four if corporations passed the cost through — a claim the sponsors' presentation disputed, Green and Anderson arguing that taxes on profits are generally borne by shareholders and executives, not consumers. Tobias Forsberg (District 3) urged the council to audit spending first, citing an $8.6 billion operating budget against Denver and Boston at about $5 billion. Vicki Payne (District 4) pointed to store closures and lost jobs.\n\n## Conduct on the floor\n\nDuring his presentation, Green told the audience: [\"We don't allow applause or audible reactions from the audience, but nod your head if you feel like you've lost morale at your company when you heard that your CEO got paid more and you just got— your buddy got cut from the line.\"](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@00:32:36)\n\nMid-testimony, Joe Squires addressed Novick directly: [\"Steve, you asleep? ... Sorry, I just saw you drifting off there.\"](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@02:33:24) Later testifier Adam Murray referenced [\"a really inappropriate comment ... made about Councilor Novick\"](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@03:02:38) and said he wanted to repudiate it.\n\n## What's next\n\nThe Fair Share Tax returns to the Committee of the Whole on **October 15**, with council deliberation to follow the testimony already taken. Green used the close to invite any colleague to add their name as a co-sponsor before next week ([03:09:31](meeting:2026-10-08-fgc-1@03:09:31)). In her committee update, Avalos said climate and health standards for existing buildings return to the Housing and Permitting Committee at its next meeting for public testimony, and the unified housing strategy's first district community event is set for October 13 at the Rosewood Initiative. Kanal said the span of control and management layers oversight hearing is scheduled for December 16, possibly December 10, depending on when the auditor's report is ready.", "summaryText": "The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole continued the Fair Share Tax — which would raise the business license tax exemption to $500,000 and restructure the CEO pay ratio surtax — to its October 15 meeting after hearing roughly 30 public testifiers, taking no vote (03:09:31).\n\nThe ordinance, introduced by Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) with four co-sponsors, does two things. It raises the business license tax exemption from $75,000 to $500,000 in gross receipts, which sponsors said would exempt about 18,000 small businesses — 97.8% seeing their tax drop to zero — at an average saving of $900 a year, roughly $14 million kept in the local economy. And it adds new brackets to the pay ratio surtax Portland adopted in 2016, affecting about 405 publicly traded corporations that report a CEO-to-median-worker pay ratio under federal law. The current 2.6% business license tax carries a 10% surtax at a 100-to-1 ratio; the proposal starts the surtax at 50-to-1 and ties the rate to the ratio, reaching a 500% surtax on the business license tax for firms at 500-to-1 or greater.\n\nGreen opened by saying corporate profits after tax as a share of gross domestic product are the highest on record since 1947: \"Large corporations have never been more profitable, even after taxes, in the United States of America than they are right now.\" Morillo said CEO pay at the largest U.S. corporations rose 1,094% since 1978 while a typical worker's pay grew 26%, citing the Economic Policy Institute. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), a co-sponsor, said nine of ten Portland employers have 10 or fewer workers. Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) framed the $900 figure as \"real money\" to a neighborhood business.\n\nSponsors offered two revenue figures. Using fiscal year 2024 as a counterfactual, the revenue department estimated an incremental $72 million, but the city economist and chief financial officer applied conservative assumptions and projected about $33 million a year going forward. Green said the ordinance delays the small-business exemption until the year after new revenue begins to collect, to manage volatility.\n\nCouncilor Steve Novick (District 3), who sponsored the original 2016 surtax, asked whether top payers might refer the measure to the ballot, noting San Francisco voters rejected a pay ratio tax increase. CFO Jonas Beery said there is \"broad litigious risk\" and that liability is heavily concentrated: he said at least two taxpayers each pay more than $5 million a year, and that one taxpayer paid over $20 million in a single year (01:06:00). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) asked whether phasing in the exemptions would make the revenue more predictable.\n\nTestimony ran heavily in favor. Tim Shaw of Bold Coffee and Books said he and his partner pay over $7,000 a year in taxes and licenses and that September costs rose 5% over August. Sarah Anderson, global economy director at the Institute for Policy Studies, who advised Novick in 2016, said the original surtax has averaged about $5 million a year and that a national poll found 80% of likely voters favored such a tax, including 89% of Democrats and 71% of Republicans. Noah Bernstein of Bernstein's Bagels said small businesses are 94% of Portland businesses and 35% of the workforce. Dionne Mensah of the Oregon Black Worker Center said the Black jobless rate rose from 6% to 7% between August and September. The Starbucks figure of a 1,800-to-1 CEO ratio — a $31 million CEO against a $17,000 median worker — recurred across speakers.\n\nSeveral opponents testified. A District 4 resident named Brian said the issue belongs in Congress and that the tax could discourage employers from competing for Portland workers. Joe Squires, a District 2 business owner, said taxing businesses \"isn't the solution\" and estimated a roughly $500 surcharge on a family of four if corporations passed the cost through — a claim the sponsors' presentation disputed, Green and Anderson arguing that taxes on profits are generally borne by shareholders and executives, not consumers. Tobias Forsberg (District 3) urged the council to audit spending first, citing an $8.6 billion operating budget against Denver and Boston at about $5 billion. Vicki Payne (District 4) pointed to store closures and lost jobs.\n\nDuring his presentation, Green told the audience: \"We don't allow applause or audible reactions from the audience, but nod your head if you feel like you've lost morale at your company when you heard that your CEO got paid more and you just got— your buddy got cut from the line.\"\n\nMid-testimony, Joe Squires addressed Novick directly: \"Steve, you asleep? ... Sorry, I just saw you drifting off there.\" Later testifier Adam Murray referenced \"a really inappropriate comment ... made about Councilor Novick\" and said he wanted to repudiate it.\n\nThe Fair Share Tax returns to the Committee of the Whole on October 15, with council deliberation to follow the testimony already taken. Green used the close to invite any colleague to add their name as a co-sponsor before next week (03:09:31). In her committee update, Avalos said climate and health standards for existing buildings return to the Housing and Permitting Committee at its next meeting for public testimony, and the unified housing strategy's first district community event is set for October 13 at the Rosewood Initiative. Kanal said the span of control and management layers oversight hearing is scheduled for December 16, possibly December 10, depending on when the auditor's report is ready.", "summaryLede": "The Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole continued the Fair Share Tax — which would raise the business license tax exemption to $500,000 and restructure the CEO pay ratio surtax — to its October 15 meeting after hearing roughly 30 public testifiers, taking no vote.", "sections": [ { "title": "Regular Agenda", "startTime": "00:06:00.550", "endTime": "03:09:49.815", "items": [ { "title": "Committee Chair updates (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:06:00.550", "endTime": "00:16:26.649", "agendaItemNumber": 1 }, { "title": "Amend Business License Law Code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO Pay Ratio Surtax and gross receipts exemption amount (amend Code Sections 7.02.400 and 7.02.500) (Ordinance)", "startTime": "00:16:26.649", "endTime": "03:09:49.815", "agendaItemNumber": 2 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"cue-19", "start": 388.28, "end": 388.809, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-20", "start": 390.236, "end": 390.669, "text": "Murillo?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-21", "start": 391.31, "end": 391.438, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-22", "start": 392.208, "end": 392.705, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-23", "start": 392.753, "end": 392.865, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-24", "start": 393.41, "end": 393.779, "text": "Canal?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-25", "start": 395.327, "end": 395.391, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-26", "start": 395.584, "end": 397.402, "text": "Christopher, will you please read the statement of conduct?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-27", "start": 398.319, "end": 400.908, "text": "Welcome to the meeting of the Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-28", "start": 400.973, "end": 411.834, "text": "To testify before this committee in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the committee agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole or by calling 311.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-29", "start": 411.931, "end": 414.213, "text": "Information on engaging with the committee can be found at this link.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 414.537, "end": 417.418, "text": "Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 417.515, "end": 420.171, "text": "In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 420.543, "end": 425.44, "text": "If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the Chair states otherwise.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { 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"Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 459.027, "end": 475.63, "text": "Colleagues, today at the Committee of the Whole, we have a chair's update as per usual, and then we have a single item on the agenda, which is the amended business license law code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO pay ratio surtax and gross receipts exemption amount, amend Code Sections 702, 400, and 500.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 476.592, "end": 480.153, "text": "We have now gotten to over 40 folks signed up to testify.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 480.362, "end": 484.962, "text": "I believe that still means we'll have enough time to hear everybody without shortening at all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 485.49, "end": 494.546, "text": "But that does mean that depending on the way that the conversation goes with City Council, well, Committee of the Whole today, we may not finish this item today and we may have to carry it over to next week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 495.508, "end": 497.287, "text": "But we, that's the council part of it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 497.335, "end": 498.697, "text": "The testimony will still be today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 499.034, "end": 501.358, "text": "So just wanted to flag that so that people are aware.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 502.304, "end": 506.968, "text": "All right, Rebecca, could you please call item 1?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 507.449, "end": 509.003, "text": "Item 1, committee chair updates.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 510.515, "end": 518.584, "text": "All right, well, we have a Chair's Update today as per usual, and everybody's got a copy and it's also getting posted if it's not online.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 518.648, "end": 530.157, "text": "Next week is the Fall TAO, and as we heard yesterday in the work session, we have split that into, well, there are 3 legislative items related to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 530.738, "end": 538.146, "text": "The TAO, the Technical Adjustment Ordinance itself, the business license tax policy that was previewed yesterday, and then the budget calendar that was also previewed yesterday.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 538.196, "end": 550.582, "text": "Although it says confirmed that we are doing that, um, broader conversation on street renaming code 17.93, which is the system by which we rename street renaming, that may not have enough time to, to actually be heard.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 550.63, "end": 552.409, "text": "It's confirmed for being on the agenda.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 553.274, "end": 561.447, "text": "Um, the other things that I think, uh, may be of interest to folks, we have a bunch of appointments on October 21st with the Home Forward board being first on that list.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 561.928, "end": 565.886, "text": "Um, and then the rest of the appointments have now been bundled on November 18th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 566.575, "end": 572.659, "text": "Um, The last thing that I think was not confirmed last week is the span of control and management layers oversight hearing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 573.093, "end": 575.02, "text": "That's currently on December 16th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 575.164, "end": 578.375, "text": "Depending on when the auditor's report is ready, it might get moved to December 10th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 578.472, "end": 580.784, "text": "Those 2 are fungible.", "speaker": "Sameer 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"start": 608.462, "end": 609.426, "text": "Thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 610.406, "end": 617.012, "text": "So, um, yeah, I am excited to give you just a brief update on the last quarter of what we have been up to.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 617.546, "end": 628.154, "text": "We've covered a pretty wide range of issues over the last several months, from things like housing production and tenant stability to permit homelessness oversight, and long-term housing strategy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 629.372, "end": 643.535, "text": "So in July, we received an annual report on North and Northeast neighborhood housing strategy and had a substantive conversation about displacement, affordability, homeownership, and whether those investments are reaching the Black Portlanders they were originally intended to serve.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 644.448, "end": 651.947, "text": "We also held a 90-minute public oversight discussion with Portland Solutions and Urban Alchemy in response to concerns that had been raised about shelter operations.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 652.043, "end": 653.389, "text": "That conversation is ongoing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 654.447, "end": 661.61, "text": "Um, the goal there was to better understand how complaints are investigated, what accountability tools the city has, and what changes have been made in response.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 662.253, "end": 669.689, "text": "We also invited Metro Council President Juan Carlos Gonzalez to committee for a broader conversation about the future of regional housing and homelessness policy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 670.348, "end": 682.619, "text": "Uh, I thought that was a really good opportunity for us to step outside of individual city programs and talk about how Portland Metro, the county, and the state can better align on our work and rebuild public trust around major housing investments.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 683.28, "end": 688.907, "text": "And the committee also proactively sent feedback to the Planning Commission as it worked on housing-related zoning changes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 690.52, "end": 708.615, "text": "In August, we worked through a package of city foreclosure actions, advanced a new federal Section 108 housing financing tool, and invited housing and design experts to talk with us about single-stair buildings and what changes to building codes, zoning, and permitting might unlock additional mid-rise housing on smaller sites.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 709.143, "end": 717.853, "text": "And that is part of something I want this committee to keep doing, not just moving legislation, but bringing experts into the room to help us understand ideas that may shape future policy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 718.848, "end": 735.419, "text": "In September, we heard the data center transparency resolution from Councilors Koyama Lane and Green and I, including testimony and expert perspectives, I guess, and everybody, 'cause everybody's a co-sponsor now, and expert perspectives on the infrastructure, energy, water, and public process questions raised by large data centers.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 735.772, "end": 747.846, "text": "We also brought the city's mandatory relocation assistance policy back to committee to look at how it is functioning today, how changes in state law have affected it, and whether our tenant protection tools are still accomplishing what council originally intended.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 748.439, "end": 754.067, "text": "We followed that discussion by hearing directly from Portland renters about the issues they believe this committee should be paying attention to.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 755.333, "end": 769.089, "text": "And then just this week, we had our first major committee briefing on the climate and health standards for existing buildings proposal, along with land use code changes required by recently adopted State law and changes necessary to continue the city's property tax exemption for low-income housing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 769.763, "end": 772.103, "text": "Those were referred out of committee, so we'll hear those at council soon.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 772.167, "end": 775.373, "text": "And I suspect there might be some further conversation we'll have at council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 776.656, "end": 781.272, "text": "The climate and health standards will return at our next meeting for public testimony and committee discussion.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 782.01, "end": 789.608, "text": "And then as far as the biggest body of work I want to update council on is the unified housing strategy and give you an update on that as that continues to move.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 790.201, "end": 799.169, "text": "So as you know, when council adopted UHS last year, the purpose was to stop treating Portland's housing work as a collection of disconnected programs and start building one coherent roadmap.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 799.667, "end": 807.441, "text": "And so that means looking across production, preservation, tenant stability, homeownership, social and non-market housing, funding, infrastructure, and permitting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 808.276, "end": 814.894, "text": "And then actually making choices 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expert phase has been incredibly useful, we're already seeing some clear throughlines around stabilizing the affordable housing we already have, strategic acquisition of land and buildings, growing cooperative and community ownership, creating more sustainable housing funding, reducing infrastructure and permitting barriers, and then making sure that the different levels of government are actually pulling in the same direction.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 861.364, "end": 864.479, "text": "So now we're moving into the next phase, which is broader community engagement.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 865.04, "end": 873.438, "text": "And our first district-based community event is next Tuesday, October 13th at 6:00 PM in District 1 at the Rosewood Initiative.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 874.257, "end": 878.124, "text": "And there will be opportunities across the city for Portlanders to participate.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 879.023, "end": 885.201, "text": "If you Google Unified Housing Strategy, you'll find a page that PHB is hosting, and you'll see all of the district events.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 885.249, "end": 886.742, "text": "They're all happening within the next 2 weeks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 886.79, "end": 891.941, "text": "So we'll be in District 1, 2, 3, and 4, I think in that order, or 1, 3, 2, and 4.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 893.353, "end": 896.835, "text": "And so these conversations have a different purpose than the expert sessions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 896.9, "end": 910.993, "text": "Practitioners can help us understand implementation and feasibility, but the broader community needs to tell us what matters most in their lives and what housing stability actually means to them and where they think that the city should prioritize limited resources and to tell us what they think we're missing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 911.812, "end": 918.908, "text": "And I'll end with one framing that from PHB that I think is particularly useful in how all of this work connects.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 919.695, "end": 923.355, "text": "The social housing study has given us lots of tools and ideas.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 923.853, "end": 930.579, "text": "The Keep Portland Housed ordinance that we passed a few months ago has put real investment and action behind housing stability and preservation and acquisition.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 931.013, "end": 932.105, "text": "And homelessness prevention.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 932.618, "end": 937.644, "text": "And now the Unified Housing Strategy is the roadmap that connects those efforts and gives us a long-term direction.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 937.773, "end": 948.563, "text": "So that is ultimately what I want UHS to become, not another report that sits on a shelf, but the framework that council can use when we make housing policy, budget, land use, and investment decision— decisions over the coming years.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 949.174, "end": 953.204, "text": "So there is still a lot of work ahead, and the strategy is gonna come back to council as it develops.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 953.654, "end": 961.577, "text": "But I'm really encouraged by how much substance we have built over the last several months, and I'm excited that we're now opening the conversation up broadly to more Portlanders.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 962.189, "end": 971.612, "text": "So thank you, Vice Chair Green, all of the committee members, PHP in the SEDSA service area that does a lot of work with us, and just everyone who has spent time helping us build this work.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 972.078, "end": 974.135, "text": "That is my report for now, and happy to take questions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 974.649, "end": 975.506, "text": "Thank you, Chair Avalos.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 975.636, "end": 978.639, "text": "If any colleagues would like to get in the queue and ask Chair Avalos a question, now's the chance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 982.792, "end": 985.256, "text": "Seeing none, that'll conclude the chair's update for this week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 985.369, "end": 985.775, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 986.65, "end": 988.498, "text": "And Rebecca, could you please call item 2?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-122", "start": 991.189, "end": 1000.784, "text": "Item 2, amend business license law code to include new compensation ratios and increase the CEO pay ratio surtax and gross receipts exemption amount.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-123", "start": 1001.17, "end": 1007.486, "text": "Amend Code Sections 7.02.400 and 7.02.500.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-124", "start": 1007.92, "end": 1010.111, "text": "Document number 2026-348.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-125", "start": 1011.736, "end": 1012.533, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-126", "start": 1012.776, "end": 1023.053, "text": "I'm going to just pass this over to start with the 2 primary sponsors, Councilors Green and Murillo, and then we'll hear from the other co-sponsors and move into the presentation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-127", "start": 1023.743, "end": 1027.912, "text": "Um, so with that, I'm not sure who would like to go first, but Councilors Green and Murillo, take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 1028.634, "end": 1029.628, "text": "I, I'll kick us off here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 1029.917, "end": 1031.328, "text": "Uh, thank you, Chair Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 1032.162, "end": 1039.379, "text": "Um, we've got a lot of folks signed up for testimony, we've got a formal presentation, so I'll keep my, my opening remarks fairly brief.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 1039.636, "end": 1044.416, "text": "I just want to provide some framing statements, and I'll hand it over to Councilor Morillo and the rest of the co-sponsors.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 1044.529, "end": 1051.831, "text": "But I just want to say that in the 2 years— the 20 months I've been in 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}, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1504.722, "end": 1510.246, "text": "And when we say decrease, we aren't asking for a CEO-to-worker pay ratio that we saw decades ago.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1510.904, "end": 1518.997, "text": "Megacorporations could avoid this mild tax while maintaining a CEO-to-worker ratio that nearly doubles the ratio we saw in the 1970s.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1519.8, "end": 1522.803, "text": "This is a common-sense policy that will uplift small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1522.931, "end": 1524.393, "text": "It will uplift the working class.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1524.698, "end": 1529.077, "text": "It will help us save some of the precious services that Portlanders are begging us to fight for.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1529.846, "end": 1544.748, "text": "So I hope that we will, you know, go through this presentation, go through the facts, and that we will have the political courage to do what's right in this moment, because we can't keep producing budgets that are austerity for the poor and keep giving millions of our taxpayer dollars to the rich.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1545.453, "end": 1547.617, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1547.857, "end": 1549.908, "text": "And then I'm just going to go down the line.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1550.517, "end": 1553.545, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane, do you want to offer any remarks as a co-sponsor?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1554.508, "end": 1554.861, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1555.711, "end": 1561.631, "text": "I first want to thank my colleagues, Councilor Morillo, Councilor Green, for your vision and leadership on this ordinance.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1561.743, "end": 1562.85, "text": "I'm proud to co-sponsor.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1563.348, "end": 1576.31, "text": "Just last Friday, I was at a Better Portland small business event talking to small business owners, and it was a great conversation with many passionate, smart, kind business owners who care a lot about Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1577.129, "end": 1579.551, "text": "And I know it's, it's hard out there.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1579.728, "end": 1583.509, "text": "For small businesses, it's always hard, and it's, it's particularly hard right now.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1584.439, "end": 1586.843, "text": "I've taught for many years, everyone knows that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1586.923, "end": 1599.182, "text": "And so I— what that means is I've taught, um, many kids of small business owners in District 3, from Away Days Brewery to No Name Pho to Oblique Coffee Roasters to Greco Jewelry and more.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1599.807, "end": 1619.266, "text": "And what I keep hearing out there is that our small business community is doing well despite the city, not because of the city, which is one reason that I'm very hopeful about this ordinance, because it would relieve business tax for 18,000 small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1619.362, "end": 1620.195, "text": "That's huge.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1621.205, "end": 1640.422, "text": "This is something we can do to provide some relief while we continue to work on other ways to make things easier for our small businesses, like streamlining, streamlining permitting, providing financial support 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"speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1693.11, "end": 1699.376, "text": "Yeah, um, I think what I want to start with today is just something that I hear when I'm knocking on doors constantly in East Portland.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1699.89, "end": 1705.771, "text": "People are working hard, they're doing everything that they're supposed to do, and they're still struggling to get ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1706.271, "end": 1716.207, "text": "I knocked on one person's door a couple weeks ago, and the first thing that I that she said to me, um, was, I don't know much about city council other than I don't like y'all.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1716.769, "end": 1718.582, "text": "And I was like, you know what, we get that a lot.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1719.24, "end": 1724.168, "text": "Um, but I was like, but tell me why, you know, tell me why you specifically don't like your city council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1724.376, "end": 1729.881, "text": "And what she told me was what we all hear, that people are worried about affording their rent and their groceries.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1729.929, "end": 1737.039, "text": "She said that she is going to school and doing everything right, paying her rent, and she only has $300 left in her paycheck.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1737.392, "end": 1738.805, "text": "And now her bus is getting cut.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1739.719, "end": 1741.95, "text": "And so this is what is at stake here.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1742.464, "end": 1748.915, "text": "Small business owners are watching every single dollar, trying to figure out how to keep their doors open and keep their employees paid.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1750.295, "end": 1756.731, "text": "And meanwhile, we're being told that the solution to Portland's economic challenges is to ask even less of the wealthiest corporations.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1756.811, "end": 1758.416, "text": "And I fundamentally disagree.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1759.122, "end": 1763.134, "text": "Because here's the question that I keep coming back to: who are we building this economy for?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1763.231, "end": 1763.439, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1764.272, "end": 1767.653, "text": "The fair share tax is one way we can start answering that question differently.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1768.438, "end": 1774.398, "text": "By providing those 18,000 small businesses with tax relief, we're saving them an average of $900 a year.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1775.007, "end": 1784.459, "text": "And we're asking these large publicly traded corporations that are doing business in Portland, not necessarily headquartered here, with these enormous CEO-to-worker pay gaps to contribute more.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1785.18, "end": 1794.039, "text": "And I want to emphasize something about those small businesses in East Portland, because many of them are immigrant-owned, they're BIPOC-owned businesses operating on incredibly tight margins.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1794.472, "end": 1802.13, "text": "They're neighborhood restaurants and family businesses and local entrepreneurs who have invested everything they have into building something for themselves and their communities.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1802.723, "end": 1808.507, "text": "$900 might be a rounding error to a multinational corporation, but to a neighborhood business, that's real money.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1808.635, "end": 1809.404, "text": "That's a chance.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1810.397, "end": 1818.969, "text": "At a time when we're struggling to fund the basic services that Portlanders rely on, we have an obligation to examine how we're generating revenue, not just how we're cutting spending.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1819.625, "end": 1824.159, "text": "And I recognize that there are different revenue projections that we're, I'm sure, going to debate very soon.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1824.416, "end": 1844.314, "text": "But uncertainty about that dollar amount should not stop us from having a much bigger conversation about fairness, because we cannot keep balancing our city's financial challenges on the backs of working people and small businesses while treating the wealthiest corporations as though they're— asking them to contribute more is somehow unreasonable.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1844.378, "end": 1844.778, "text": "It's not.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1845.643, "end": 1846.845, "text": "So I'm proud to be a co-sponsor.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1846.941, "end": 1858.725, "text": "Thank you so much for the leadership of Councilors Green and Murillo, and I hope that my colleagues will approach this proposal with the same question that I'm asking, which is, how can we make sure that we're not Who are we asking to sacrifice and who can actually afford to contribute more?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1858.822, "end": 1861.583, "text": "So that is what this tax is about, and I look forward to the conversation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1861.856, "end": 1862.177, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1863.366, "end": 1864.233, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1865.63, "end": 1866.32, "text": "Councilor Dunphy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 1867.781, "end": 1868.375, "text": "Well, thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 1868.664, "end": 1870.976, "text": "You know, I'm proud to be a co-sponsor of this legislation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 1871.876, "end": 1873.08, "text": "Portland is a small business town.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 1873.899, "end": 1877.56, "text": "9 Out of 10 employers in our city employ 10 or fewer employees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1878.475, "end": 1880.129, "text": "But those small businesses are struggling.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1880.643, "end": 1885.59, "text": "They're suffering under the weight of inflation, the cost of operating your business, and including local taxes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1886.811, "end": 1893.22, "text": "As a former small business owner myself, I know firsthand how punishing Portland's business license tax can be on already tight margins.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1893.991, "end": 1901.605, "text": "I'm co-sponsoring the Fair Share Tax because it's going to eliminate the tax for over 18,000 small businesses who make less than $500,000 per year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1902.312, "end": 1914.922, "text": "I cannot simply stand by and watch as we are losing beloved restaurants and bars and coffee shops, retailers and small neighborhood businesses that define Portland's identity while mega corporations suck billions of dollars out of our community.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1915.707, "end": 1922.822, "text": "How many times have we heard about food cart— uh, food carts being kicked out of their, uh, spaces in order to build a fancy hotel that immediately fails?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1923.72, "end": 1925.53, "text": "I don't care how well Starbucks is doing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1925.642, "end": 1927.774, "text": "I care about how well Parkrose Coffee is doing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1929.024, "end": 1933.911, "text": "Now is the exact right time to uplift those small businesses and give them the tax relief that they deserve.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1934.457, "end": 1936.257, "text": "We have no cranes in the sky today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1936.803, "end": 1938.908, "text": "Megacorporations are not investing in Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1938.972, "end": 1943.47, "text": "But every single day, there are individuals still trying to open new businesses in Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1943.551, "end": 1952.249, "text": "And if we don't fight to preserve what we already have and create a path for success for the only people who are actually investing in our community, then there won't be a Portland to save.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1952.427, "end": 1954.488, "text": "So I'm eager to get into testimony, so I'm going to leave it there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1956.87, "end": 1957.698, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Dunphy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1957.763, "end": 1962.518, "text": "So at this time, colleagues, I'm going to give an overview of what the policy does.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1963.234, "end": 1967.706, "text": "And then we will move to 2 invited speakers, and then we'll move into public testimony.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1967.754, "end": 1968.751, "text": "So I'll jump right in.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1969.331, "end": 1971.92, "text": "I might move a little faster because I think we're running a bit behind time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1974.078, "end": 1975.8, "text": "Okay, I think you guys can see my screen.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1975.897, "end": 1977.378, "text": "All right, fair share tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1977.426, "end": 1977.844, "text": "What does it do?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1978.552, "end": 1984.157, "text": "Okay, so colleagues, the policy has been carefully crafted to serve several purposes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1985.117, "end": 1988.748, "text": "The first is sort of address the great scourge of our time, which is inequality.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1989.367, "end": 1990.69, "text": "Actually, the second great scourge of our time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1990.754, "end": 1992.158, "text": "First great scourge of our time is ICE.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1994.304, "end": 2001.567, "text": "Addressing inequality between both high-income and lower-income households, as well as small and big businesses.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2002.976, "end": 2014.548, "text": "We also have designed this to raise revenue to protect the city's core services and do so in a way that is a progressive tax structure rather than heap a larger share on those with the least ability to pay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2015.896, "end": 2018.033, "text": "And finally, we want to send a price signal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2018.081, "end": 2026.146, "text": "We want to send an incentive to create better business practices by discouraging exorbitant executive pay and encouraging higher wages.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2027.367, "end": 2028.99, "text": "So those are the primary purposes of the tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2029.456, "end": 2033.311, "text": "So what does it do?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2033.504, "end": 2035.111, "text": "It does 2 broad things.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2035.641, "end": 2056.724, "text": "First of all, it increases the business license tax exemption from $75,000 to $500,000 in gross receipts, which will result in, by our modeling and partnership with the Revenue Department, a tax exemption for 18,000 small businesses who will no longer have to pay the business license tax in the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2057.221, "end": 2067.949, "text": "And the other part of it is then it changes the pay ratio surtax structure, which is something we've had on the books thanks to Councilor Novick's— then Commissioner Novick's leadership since 2016.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2068.48, "end": 2079.324, "text": "It adds new brackets, and it affects the rates for approximately 405 large publicly traded corporations that have a Dodd-Frank reporting requirement for their CEO-to-pay ratio.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2082.328, "end": 2083.024, "text": "Moving right along.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2083.461, "end": 2089.126, "text": "So here we just want to contextualize this with some data on the business climate in Oregon.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2090.55, "end": 2094.589, "text": "So what we know is that Portland small businesses are struggling.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2096.221, "end": 2097.875, "text": "This is Bureau of Labor and Statistics data.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2097.94, "end": 2102.933, "text": "So what this is showing is that more businesses are shuttering than new ones opening.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2104.49, "end": 2108.948, "text": "Those closures outnumber openings by 6,000 during the first 9 months of 2025.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2109.012, "end": 2115.337, "text": "And if you guys are in the small business, small business business in the city of Portland, then you know that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2115.578, "end": 2117.106, "text": "That's the thing you think about every single day.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2118.394, "end": 2122.621, "text": "If you live in neighborhoods where you see a vacant storefront, You feel that, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2124.051, "end": 2128.998, "text": "And so we have to let the data drive our policy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2129.817, "end": 2145.895, "text": "And what we see is that our local economy is becoming increasingly dominated by large multinational corporations that can take more market share and have a differential advantage relative to small businesses, which makes it really difficult to compete.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2148.116, "end": 2148.9, "text": "So what are we gonna do here?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2150.23, "end": 2150.81, "text": "What are the basics?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2151.213, "end": 2155.468, "text": "So the change that we're proposing to the business license tax and the pay ratio does the following.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2157.41, "end": 2165.154, "text": "It affects— so any business doing business in Portland, irrespective of where they're headquartered, pays the business license tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2165.62, "end": 2177.8, "text": "So I think one of the things that you're gonna see, one of the kind of, I think, false talking points that you'll see throughout this debate is, This will just drive businesses out of Portland, especially these large corporations.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2177.848, "end": 2180.032, "text": "Won't they just move to Tigard or Tualatin?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2180.08, "end": 2182.184, "text": "Won't they just take their business out of Portland?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2182.89, "end": 2195.671, "text": "And the answer to that is, if they were to move their business, say, let's say there's a Fortune 500 firm in Portland and then they moved it to Beaverton, unless they abandoned the Portland market, they still have to pay the tax, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2196.153, "end": 2198.401, "text": "So Amazon.com pays the tax right now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2198.867, "end": 2202.473, "text": "They're not headquartered in Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2203.214, "end": 2203.552, "text": "Target.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2204.438, "end": 2205.468, "text": "Target pays the tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2205.871, "end": 2207.529, "text": "They're not headquartered in Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2207.578, "end": 2210.446, "text": "And if they were to pull all their stores out, they still have online retail, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2211.122, "end": 2212.283, "text": "So that's the thing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2212.331, "end": 2214.781, "text": "So we actually have a sort of bulwark against tax flight.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2216.487, "end": 2224.779, "text": "All those businesses are required to pay a business license tax of 2.6% on net income, but it's only those publicly traded corporations that have yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2224.86, "end": 2228.32, "text": "CEO pay ratios that are exorbitant that pay this extra surtax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2230.428, "end": 2232.122, "text": "Currently, that's 100 to 1 or more.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2234.136, "end": 2238.223, "text": "So what we're going to do is propose to raise that 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this impact earlier at 50-to-1, Once you get to 100 to 1 and up, we're just gonna tie the surtax to the rate at which you overpay your CEO relative to your median worker.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2289.846, "end": 2291.629, "text": "So if it's 100 to 1, guess what?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2291.677, "end": 2292.897, "text": "That's 100% surtax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2293.845, "end": 2295.884, "text": "If it's 250 to 1, guess what?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2295.948, "end": 2297.65, "text": "That's a 250% surtax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2298.356, "end": 2308.424, "text": "And if you're 500 to 1 or greater, if you're the Elon Musks of the world, or if you're, you know, if you're CEO of Live Nation, you're going to pay a 500% surtax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2309.229, "end": 2311.081, "text": "And so that's not a 500% tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2311.661, "end": 2313.529, "text": "This is just a percentage on a tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2313.578, "end": 2316.981, "text": "So the, the column on the right-hand side just shows you the effective tax rate.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2317.852, "end": 2320.306, "text": "Um, so that's what they would pay after the change.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2322.563, "end": 2324.472, "text": "All right, so how does this all work?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2325.767, "end": 2330.929, "text": "Um, we, we estimate that 18,405 small businesses would receive an exemption.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2332.11, "end": 2336.81, "text": "97.8% Seeing taxes go to zero with an average saving of $900.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2337.147, "end": 2341.302, "text": "And so folks will say, well, that's only $900, that's not, that's not a lot.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2341.383, "end": 2348.939, "text": "But I'll remind folks that when we raised the BLT from 50 to 75, it wasn't a lot either, but it was meaningful and it was an important signal that we sent.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2349.083, "end": 2353.367, "text": "I was proud to support that one too, and I thank you for your leadership, Councilor Zimmerman and Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2354.393, "end": 2370.285, "text": "But $900 on average times 18,000 is about $14 million that stays in the economy, that stays in the private sector to spend on other things, increase wages, provide that Christmas bonus, pay that other fee that we just raised, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2371.184, "end": 2375.952, "text": "So these things matter, and it's a net impact to the local economy of $14 million.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2376.465, "end": 2390.883, "text": "By increasing the pay ratio surtax based upon, you know, the counterfactual of fiscal year 2024, We estimate with the revenue department that that would've produced an incremental increase of $72 million.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2391.879, "end": 2406.811, "text": "Now, our city economist has done some analysis with the CFO to say, well, these are— this is a volatile income source, and then that extra income would fall on a few large corporations that could see their profits fluctuate with the stock market.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2407.373, "end": 2416.675, "text": "And so applying some pretty conservative assumptions, You know, we can safely assume that an extra $33 million a year would be something that we would forecast going forward.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2417.075, "end": 2419.784, "text": "That's still more money than we have today after we provided relief.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2419.913, "end": 2423.151, "text": "So we'll get into that discussion, and it's a worthwhile discussion to have.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2424.369, "end": 2429.306, "text": "And then we just talked yesterday about a BLT reserve policy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2430.685, "end": 2432.961, "text": "I think this pairs very well with that BLT reserve policy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2433.025, "end": 2436.103, "text": "So we can fill up that reserve very quickly once this tax goes into effect.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2436.151, "end": 2436.295, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2436.875, "end": 2441.437, "text": "And we certainly wouldn't want to assume $72 million in our forward-looking budgeting.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2442.759, "end": 2444.742, "text": "Okay, more context.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2444.838, "end": 2452.7, "text": "So since Reagan, and Councilor Morillo, you got to this a little bit here, but CEO pay just skyrockets.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2453.008, "end": 2458.683, "text": "You know, there's sort of Thatcherite Reaganomics stuff just basically juices up the power of the CEO.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2459.151, "end": 2460.654, "text": "They pick the boards of the corporations.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2460.703, "end": 2463.638, "text": "They give the board votes to give them exorbitant packages.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2464.377, "end": 2473.658, "text": "They engage in stock 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2739.745, "text": "I feel like I'm running long, so I'm going to try to get to the point here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2741.18, "end": 2744.471, "text": "Businesses in general are not overtaxed in Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2744.519, "end": 2747.843, "text": "I know that there's a talking point that suggests that's true, but it's, but it's not.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2747.907, "end": 2749.504, "text": "But small businesses do need relief.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2750.162, "end": 2753.422, "text": "For all the reasons we've already discussed, it's hard to do business in this city.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2754.562, "end": 2766.668, "text": "On average, businesses in Oregon pay $7,900 per employee in taxes versus $8,600 nationally versus $11,400 in California versus $10,400 in Washington.", "speaker": "Mitch 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get bigger, corporations get more profitable, They consolidate market share and there are fewer firms.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2805.152, "end": 2805.523, "text": "Okay?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2805.894, "end": 2807.605, "text": "Like more monopolies means fewer firms, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2809.103, "end": 2810.494, "text": "And then I just want to leave you with this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2810.768, "end": 2816.588, "text": "We've done some extensive outreach with the small business community and community-based organizations and labor unions.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2816.636, "end": 2817.606, "text": "And so we've got a selection here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2818.71, "end": 2821.283, "text": "The Division Midway Alliance has come out in support of this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2821.655, "end": 2827.4, "text": "Parkrose Coffee Shop, Jobs with Justice, Thrive East PDX, Bold Coffee and Books.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2827.856, "end": 2835.331, "text": "We got the Welcome Home Coalition, Historic Parkrose, Portland Businesses for All, and CPPW and Pro-Tech 17, and the list goes on.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2835.508, "end": 2837.368, "text": "So thank you for your attention.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2837.818, "end": 2845.277, "text": "At this point, I'll just leave you with this before going to our invited testimony that, you know, we've talked about being in a doom loop.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2845.501, "end": 2851.372, "text": "Well, we have been in a doom loop of corporate tax breaks and low wages for workers for decades, and it's time to stop that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2851.613, "end": 2861.649, "text": "This is not the magic wand that cures it all, but it is a it's planting a flag in the ground, and I hope that we can start to claw back the Trump tax cuts and invest in our city.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2862.373, "end": 2862.872, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2862.937, "end": 2869.988, "text": "So at this time, if Tim Shaw is in the audience, I would love to invite you up to provide some remarks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2871.31, "end": 2879, "text": "And once you get up here, if you've never done this before, introduce yourself for the record, and you've got about 5 minutes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2879.081, "end": 2881.781, "text": "And I want to thank you for thank you for being out here today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2882.279, "end": 2883.002, "text": "Awesome, thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2883.725, "end": 2887.355, "text": "My name is Tim Shaw, and I'm here to represent Bold Coffee and Books.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2887.741, "end": 2890.247, "text": "We're located in the Goose Hollow area.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2890.391, "end": 2895.42, "text": "So, uh, dear Committee of the Whole, thank you all for allowing me to speak today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2895.918, "end": 2907.789, "text": "I would like to come out and directly ask you to vote in favor of the fair share tax ordinance, which Councilor Green and Councilor Murillo are bringing to the table to be voted on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2908.703, "end": 2917.003, "text": "As the co-owner of Bold Coffee and Books, my partner and I pay over $7,000 annually in taxes and licenses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2917.596, "end": 2937.012, "text": "These include picnic table area for our customers to be able to enjoy outside seating, a chalkboard sign that lets everyone know what our specials are for the week, a building fee, a license to operate, a branding fee to let the community know what our cafe is called, And a you-name-it tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2938.25, "end": 2942.608, "text": "This is all on top of the federal, state, county, TriMet, and city taxes too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2944.05, "end": 2956.548, "text": "This might not seem like much, but the difference in my bottom line would far outweigh the loss in the pocket change that the CEO of a large conglomerate corporation would feel with this tax ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2958.706, "end": 2967.954, "text": "I hear people say all the time that they're so glad that Ali and I have decided to open this cafe and book bookstore in the Goose Hollow area, and it fits the community perfectly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2968.163, "end": 2969.014, "text": "Excuse me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2970.234, "end": 2979.756, "text": "But we simply cannot continue to meet the demands of rising prices, utility bills that continue to climb monthly, the taxes that demand such a large portion of our bottom line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2981.233, "end": 2985.248, "text": "During this last month alone, every single bill that we pay increased in cost.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2985.826, "end": 2991.51, "text": "Our total increase for the month of September from the month of August was a plus 5%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2991.574, "end": 2991.703, "text": "Wow.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2992.908, "end": 2999.941, "text": "When this continues to happen month after month for all local small businesses, we simply cannot continue to operate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3001.3, "end": 3004.776, "text": "Something we will have to get— something, something will have to give.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3005.439, "end": 3012.837, "text": "Meanwhile, large, large companies like Starbucks continue to pay CEO 1,800 times the amount in which they pay their median worker.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3013.713, "end": 3014.411, "text": "That's outrageous.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3016.05, "end": 3017.786, "text": "Ours is about 1 to 1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3019.989, "end": 3023.035, "text": "We should want our city to be what it once was before the pandemic.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3023.452, "end": 3026.145, "text": "My friends tell me all the time that they still don't want to come downtown.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3027.284, "end": 3028.887, "text": "Well, let's give them a reason to come back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3029.608, "end": 3033.311, "text": "Let's bring back small businesses, give the city back to the people.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3034.193, "end": 3037.095, "text": "This used to be a place where my generation was proud to go.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3038.345, "end": 3039.9, "text": "Portland has so much to offer.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3040.141, "end": 3041.055, "text": "It's so beautiful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3041.664, "end": 3042.497, "text": "It's so nice.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3042.85, "end": 3043.427, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3044.47, "end": 3056.098, "text": "And that is because of businesses like Fingers and Toes, Blue Star Donuts, the Hoff Cafe, the Goose Hollow Inn, and now Bold that make our community in the Goose Hollow area so wonderful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3057.596, "end": 3062.056, "text": "You have the opportunity to bring back small businesses and allow this community to thrive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3063.247, "end": 3065.389, "text": "What choice will you make while everybody is watching?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3066.251, "end": 3067.567, "text": "I already know what the people want.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3068.126, "end": 3068.323, "text": "Do you?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3068.537, "end": 3068.586, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3069.86, "end": 3075.69, "text": "Thank you so much, Tim.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3075.69, "end": 3088.75, "text": "And then I think our second and last presenter is online, Sarah Anderson, with the global— she's a global— Sarah Anderson is a global economy director at the Institute for Policy Studies.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3088.75, "end": 3090.21, "text": "So thank you so much for joining us, Sarah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3090.21, "end": 3091.83, "text": "Please introduce yourself for the record.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3093.11, "end": 3094.89, "text": "Yes, I am Sarah Anderson, the global economy director at the Institute for Policy Studies.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3095.288, "end": 3115.49, "text": "And for over 30 years, I've conducted research on executive compensation and corporate tax policy at the Institute for Policy Studies, a nonpartisan research organization in Washington, D.C. And I really appreciate this opportunity to once again engage with the Portland City Council.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3115.859, "end": 3127.828, "text": "Back in 2016, Councilor Steve Novick invited me to Portland to share my analysis with other members of the council before the vote on his proposed CEO pay ratio surtax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3128.117, "end": 3133.551, "text": "And my analysis of that original surtax was that it would deliver multiple benefits.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3134.464, "end": 3145.012, "text": "One, it would incentivize corporations to narrow the pay gaps that are a key driver of the skyrocketing inequality that's undermining our economy and our democracy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3145.605, "end": 3148.939, "text": "Number 2, it would generate much-needed revenue for public services.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3149.757, "end": 3159.684, "text": "And 3, it also encourages sound business practices because extensive research shows that extremely wide pay divides undermine productivity.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3160.117, "end": 3173.476, "text": "There's a Harvard Business School study, for example, of 1,500 firms that found that companies with huge pay gaps saw significantly higher levels of employee dissatisfaction and turnover and lower sales.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3174.406, "end": 3179.281, "text": "So now, 10 years later, I'm so pleased to see that this tax has functioned very well.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3180.164, "end": 3186.937, "text": "The main measurable impact has been in revenue generation, which has averaged about $5 million a year.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3187.771, "end": 3192.827, "text": "And, you know, it's hard to provide evidence that it's had an impact on narrowing pay gaps.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3193.068, "end": 3197.915, "text": "Our grossly unfair compensation system is deeply entrenched.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3198.605, "end": 3212.624, "text": "Even I was shocked when at the height of the pandemic, corporate boards showered CEOs with bonuses to protect them from the crisis while so many low-wage workers were on the front lines risking their lives to keep our economy going.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3213.601, "end": 3230.064, "text": "But I know that Councilor Novick's main intent back then in 2016 was always to do something historic that would spark similar reforms in other jurisdictions that could eventually build sufficient pressure to make our pay system much more equitable.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3230.673, "end": 3234.408, "text": "And the Portland tax has undoubtedly inspired similar efforts.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3234.457, "end": 3236.957, "text": "San Francisco adopted a pay ratio tax in 2018.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3237.07, "end": 3244.122, "text": "2020, And legislators have introduced similar bills in at least 10 states and also in the U.S. Congress.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3245.199, "end": 3263.899, "text": "And so at this moment, after 10 years of Portland bravely experimenting with an innovative approach and proving that it works, I think expanding on this success by adopting the fair share tax proposal makes a great deal of sense, and I'll give you 5 reasons.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3264.734, "end": 3266.966, "text": "One is the need for revenue is great.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3267.207, "end": 3276.825, "text": "You all know the data on Portland much better than I do, but your city is not alone in facing budget challenges, especially as the federal government slashes spending.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3277.821, "end": 3282.75, "text": "Number 2, large corporations today in general have a lot of money.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3283.602, "end": 3293.378, "text": "While working families are struggling, U.S. corporate profits reached a record annualized rate of more than $4 trillion in the second quarter of 2026.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3294.036, "end": 3300.017, "text": "And one reason large corporations have such high profit rates is that they're paying relatively little in taxes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3300.514, "end": 3305.693, "text": "The 2017 tax reform slashed the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 3306.784, "end": 3311.722, "text": "That reduced federal revenue by an estimated $1.3 trillion over a decade.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 3312.3, "end": 3335.497, "text": "And while corporations promised to use their tax windfalls to raise worker pay, instead they've gone on a stock buyback Stock buybacks are a previously illegal financial maneuver that artificially inflates CEOs' stock-based pay while siphoning resources that could be going towards worker wages and other long-term investments.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 3336.379, "end": 3347.659, "text": "One study by economists with the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation found that the corporate tax cut of 2017 sharply boosted executive compensation while doing nothing to boost wages.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 3348.172, "end": 3351.585, "text": "I repeat, nothing to increase wages for workers in the bottom 90%.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3352.996, "end": 3358.364, "text": "So number 3, expanding the Portland surge tax to include more brackets, I think makes sense.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3358.813, "end": 3364.581, "text": "This would capture more revenue from the very largest corporations with the very largest pay gaps.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3364.822, "end": 3367.482, "text": "In other words, those with the greatest ability to pay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3368.267, "end": 3373.507, "text": "The adjusted rates and brackets would also bring the Portland tax more closely in line with the federal minimum wage.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3373.555, "end": 3373.699, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3373.876, "end": 3379.812, "text": "Federal bill called the Tax Excessive CEO Pay Act introduced in the U.S. Senate and the House.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3380.453, "end": 3389.293, "text": "Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley, ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, is the co-sponsor of this bill, and Senator Bernie Sanders is the lead sponsor.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3390.561, "end": 3409.505, "text": "In both the fair share tax proposal and in this federal bill, the surtax kicks in with a fairly modest rate on companies with pay ratios between 50 and then there are several more brackets, with the top one being for companies paying their CEOs more than 500 times their median worker pay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3409.73, "end": 3422.224, "text": "And just to be concrete, I'll rattle off an incomplete list of companies that operate in Portland and had pay gaps in 2025 far in excess of 500 to 1.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3422.561, "end": 3430.115, "text": "You've already heard about Starbucks, but it's also Best Buy, Chipotle, Dollar Tree, McDonald's, Target and Wells Fargo.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3431.14, "end": 3441.32, "text": "And I just think if they can afford to pay their CEOs hundreds and sometimes even more than 1,000 times their typical employee, they can afford this modest tax on their Portland profits.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3442.122, "end": 3445.584, "text": "And keep in mind that this is really a voluntary tax, right?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3445.649, "end": 3445.745, "text": "They—.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3446.049, "end": 3447.797, "text": "You're giving companies a choice.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3448.454, "end": 3464.83, "text": "They can either hang on to their huge pay gaps and contribute more to your local public services Or they can narrow their gaps by lifting up worker pay and reining in CEO pay so that the ratio is below 50 to 1, and then they wouldn't owe another dime.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3465.771, "end": 3471.997, "text": "Also keep in mind that the surtax only applies to companies that are turning a profit in their Portland operations.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3472.762, "end": 3479.909, "text": "And so I think as Councilor Green said, if they responded to the tax by leaving the city, they would be forfeiting profits.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3480.468, "end": 3493.641, "text": "And as Steve Novick wrote back in 2016, it would be absurd for Wells Fargo to close profitable branches in Portland just because they become slightly less profitable.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3494.045, "end": 3501.689, "text": "The introductory presentation also addressed the concern that corporations would pass on this tax to customers by raising prices.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3502.996, "end": 3504.175, "text": "He made some very good points.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3504.24, "end": 3508.325, "text": "I'll just add that, you know, if Starbucks tries to do that, I wish them good luck.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3508.596, "end": 3515.684, "text": "In competing against the many wonderful independent cafes in Portland, like the one run by the, the person who just testified.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3516.967, "end": 3522.563, "text": "Number 4, expanding the Portland surtax would be popular, very popular.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3523.205, "end": 3530.229, "text": "One national poll asked people their views on a tax hike on corporations with pay gaps of more than 50 to 1.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3531.287, "end": 3535.039, "text": "Overall, 80% of likely voters favored such taxes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3535.473, "end": 3539.661, "text": "Including 89% of Democrats and 71% of Republicans.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3540.062, "end": 3542.309, "text": "So this is not a partisan issue.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3543.096, "end": 3563.894, "text": "And then finally, I think the proposal's tax relief for small businesses is a practical addition that would help level the playing field with large corporations that can hire armies of lawyers and accountants to exploit every loophole in our tax code, including hiding profits in overseas tax havens.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3563.958, "end": 3567.232, "text": "And that's something that small businesses obviously can't do.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3567.954, "end": 3573.972, "text": "And so for all these reasons, and, and maybe some I've left out, I would strongly encourage support for this proposal.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3574.39, "end": 3591.737, "text": "I think through the fair share tax, Portland would have more revenue to invest in a healthy community while also emboldening the kind of action we need around the country to tackle the dangerous levels of inequality that are fraying our social fabric and undermining our economy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3592.378, "end": 3592.972, "text": "And I'll end there.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3593.038, "end": 3593.665, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3595.17, "end": 3603.476, "text": "Thank you so much for your time, Sarah, and your dedication to the middle class and working class in America, internationally, frankly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3603.621, "end": 3611.606, "text": "Okay, so at this time, I think we have a couple minutes for technical questions, and then we move into a large volume of public testimony.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3613.689, "end": 3616.954, "text": "Thank you for the presentation to the primary co-sponsors here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3618.016, "end": 3620.692, "text": "Colleagues, please feel free to jump in the queue for technical questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3620.82, "end": 3623.576, "text": "Um, this is also time to float any amendments you may have.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3623.945, "end": 3627.534, "text": "I'd like— ask you to keep it to those 2 things because we do have a high volume of testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3627.966, "end": 3630.017, "text": "Um, we'll go to Councilor Smith followed by Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3630.914, "end": 3631.187, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3631.876, "end": 3636.186, "text": "Uh, quick question, are we going to reduce the, the amount of time for testimony?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3636.298, "end": 3638.205, "text": "Is that going to go from 3 minutes to 2 minutes?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3638.782, "end": 3642.13, "text": "We have such a large group of folks to speak.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3643.011, "end": 3648.481, "text": "Uh, no, as, as mentioned at the top, uh, that's not the plan at So how many minutes are they going to speak?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3649.045, "end": 3650.061, "text": "3, As per usual.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3650.642, "end": 3650.819, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3652.109, "end": 3653.835, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3653.883, "end": 3655.191, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, followed by Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3655.889, "end": 3656.929, "text": "Um, thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3657.042, "end": 3657.903, "text": "Thanks for the presentation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3658.001, "end": 3658.066, "text": "I—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3658.326, "end": 3672.171, "text": "There was one point I, I lost track a little bit that you were making, and it was, I think, on the slide about— you were talking about the fiduciary responsibility to not leave Portland, and I, I kind of got mixed up in your—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3672.469, "end": 3672.717, "text": "What you're—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3672.717, "end": 3673.99, "text": "Can you just say that again?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3674.155, "end": 3675.247, "text": "Because it sounded important.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3676.042, "end": 3676.859, "text": "Yeah, no, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3676.94, "end": 3679.455, "text": "Sometimes I can go a little fast on some of those points.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3679.552, "end": 3682.26, "text": "As a non-PhD holder, I do need the MBA version.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3682.709, "end": 3683.782, "text": "Okay, here's the MBA version.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3684.039, "end": 3706.551, "text": "Um, corporate governance, generally speaking, corporate governance, the principles of good corporate governance is that your CEO, and frankly your board of directors, has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder of the firm to increase shareholder value and to protect the the assets of the corporation, because the shareholders are the ones that own the corporation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3706.664, "end": 3714.425, "text": "And so if you do something that reduces profits, then you're not working in the interest of shareholders.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3714.859, "end": 3726.927, "text": "And so the argument that we're making is that because these are taxes on profits, that even if it's a 5% profit or 10% or even a 15% tax, they're still profits.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3726.975, "end": 3727.055, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3727.778, "end": 3740.36, "text": "Right, so even if there was a dollar profit left after this, which would be kind of a reductio ad absurdum example, technically speaking, you're reducing profits by saying, you know what, we're gonna take our ball and go home because we don't like the tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3740.408, "end": 3742.898, "text": "This is about leaving, the idea of leaving Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3743.139, "end": 3748.121, "text": "Yeah, sort of turning the app off for Portland for Amazon would be a concrete example.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3749.245, "end": 3755.621, "text": "So if there's profits to be made, they should be staying in that market even if they're making fewer profits.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3755.669, "end": 3758.205, "text": "And that's— that was the point I was trying to make on fiduciary responsibility.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3758.398, "end": 3758.574, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3758.719, "end": 3764.384, "text": "And the slide before that was talking about the 25%, the 100% based on those ratios.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3764.496, "end": 3765.491, "text": "And I want to make sure I understand.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3765.54, "end": 3771.349, "text": "I think it was toward the end you made it clear, but it's 25% additional on the 2.6%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3771.879, "end": 3772.842, "text": "Am I understanding that?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3773.002, "end": 3774.575, "text": "Yeah, it's a 25%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3775.233, "end": 3784.725, "text": "So if I'm looking at the 50 to 75 tranche, the first one, It would say if you're in that bucket, then your business license tax goes up by 25%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3784.805, "end": 3791.054, "text": "So that goes from 2.6% to, um, an effective rate of 3.25%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3791.278, "end": 3791.535, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3791.663, "end": 3793.201, "text": "Not a 25% tax?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3793.601, "end": 3793.938, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3793.986, "end": 3794.146, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3794.306, "end": 3800.715, "text": "And then the last technical question, um, you used Starbucks and the median income there was $17,000.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3801.436, "end": 3801.484, "text": "It—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3801.917, "end": 3810.716, "text": "I hadn't thought of it until I saw it, but, um, the language around the way that this is written, it's based on employee and not based on full-time employees?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3810.78, "end": 3814.005, "text": "Because I'm kind of making an assumption in that, that there's a lot of part-time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3814.117, "end": 3817.983, "text": "So can you just clarify so I'm working from the same set of numbers here?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3818.111, "end": 3841.323, "text": "It's a, um, so when you report to the SEC your 10-K filings and whatever sort of K filings you'd have under Dodd-Frank as a publicly traded corporation, um, if you're subject to that regulation, you have to report your CEO to median so those ratios are reported just directly to the federal government.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3842.013, "end": 3852.345, "text": "And if the firm employs wholly part-time employees, it's just the total cost of their labor divided by their number of employees.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3852.939, "end": 3859.564, "text": "And so, yeah, I mean, you might— of course, you can have part-time, low-wage employees, sort of casual employees drawing that down.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3859.917, "end": 3860.078, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3860.238, "end": 3861.329, "text": "But that's still the median.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3861.842, "end": 3862.933, "text": "Salary for those workers.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3863.43, "end": 3873.436, "text": "And for some firms that are vertically integrated where they're reporting labor income from overseas where people are making a couple dollars a day, that would then pull that down as well.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3874.013, "end": 3874.606, "text": "Okay, thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3874.734, "end": 3875.456, "text": "That's all the technical.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3875.648, "end": 3876.354, "text": "Appreciate it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3876.819, "end": 3877.733, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3877.797, "end": 3878.374, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3879.866, "end": 3881.245, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3881.79, "end": 3888.797, "text": "So I don't know if it's possible to answer this question, but I was— we can't know how much in tax any individual company paid.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3889.407, "end": 3899.214, "text": "But I'm curious if we know, like, how much in the current business license tax, like, each of the top 10 companies paid or something like that without identifying them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3899.695, "end": 3909.052, "text": "And the reason I'm asking that is that recently there was a— San Francisco tried to increase its pay ratio tax and went to the ballot and it lost.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3909.325, "end": 3918.711, "text": "We're not talking about going to the ballot, but I'm just kind of wondering, will the top payers be paying enough extra that it might be worth their while to refer it to ballot and fight it out there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3921.33, "end": 3937.992, "text": "You know, I, I wonder if Peter might— I don't know if you're allowed to talk about this, but there was some part of your analysis that I think looked at some potentially large firms kind of exiting the tax liability that might be able to get towards Councilor Novick's question.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3938.347, "end": 3943.406, "text": "And Councilor Green, I just want to flag that Sarah is also still online, available to answer questions.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3943.471, "end": 3943.746, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3945.899, "end": 3946.677, "text": "Thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3946.725, "end": 3950.928, "text": "For the record, Jonas Beery, the city chief financial officer, and Peter can help answer as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3951.605, "end": 3958.212, "text": "I will just start by saying first, there probably is broad litigious risk.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3958.292, "end": 3963.09, "text": "We know there's currently some revenue-related litigation out there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3963.54, "end": 3965.192, "text": "So that's just something to be aware of.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3966.211, "end": 3973.026, "text": "We also want to also just say that per legally, we're not allowed, I think, as you know, to talk about specific taxpayers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3973.779, "end": 3980.22, "text": "But we do have some analysis, at least of kind of the top level of the distribution of potential payers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3980.268, "end": 3985.683, "text": "And it is heavily, heavily weighted towards the higher end of those larger companies.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3985.795, "end": 3988.327, "text": "So we can talk a little bit about numbers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3988.375, "end": 4002.734, "text": "I would just say generally, I think that is a realistic possibility that those large folks, as was referenced, that have access to large legal teams could choose to take action, but we don't have any lens on obviously the probability of that happening.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 4004.621, "end": 4015.109, "text": "What I was wondering is, can we say that there's like 10 companies that currently each pay $1 million in the business license tax, so their tax increase would be X billion apiece?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 4016.573, "end": 4017.168, "text": "Yes, we can.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 4017.232, "end": 4022.541, "text": "And we can get you the more detailed numbers like bracketed such that it doesn't let things out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 4023.076, "end": 4032.167, "text": "In the memo that you likely received, We pulled out just the top 2 projected payers based on like what they would be paying.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 4034.468, "end": 4042.676, "text": "And it is a significant portion of the total is basically their liability of just a handful of payers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 4044.23, "end": 4049.344, "text": "It means that their year-to-year liability is north of $5 million.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 4049.782, "end": 4051.714, "text": "And so when you multiply it by 5, it makes up—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 4051.714, "end": 4052.347, "text": "$25 million.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 4055.088, "end": 4059.367, "text": "I'm sorry, I confess I didn't read the memo.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 4059.431, "end": 4064.748, "text": "You're saying that there's at least 2 taxpayers that currently are paying $5 million a year currently?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 4065.802, "end": 4070.035, "text": "Yes, that on any given year we—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 4070.181, "end": 4077.939, "text": "And it may not be the same taxpayer year to year, but last year we had 1 taxpayer pay over $20 million.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 4078.989, "end": 4079.664, "text": "Good Lord.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 4080.13, "end": 4080.708, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4080.997, "end": 4090.476, "text": "Yeah, and sorry, I just wanna make sure to be clear about that too, that as Peter mentioned, that matrix of who pays what changes and is a source of volatility, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4090.829, "end": 4099.986, "text": "So the individual taxpayer behavior last year may be significantly different than individual taxpayer behavior next year or in the future.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4100.613, "end": 4105.111, "text": "And that obviously is felt much more, the impact is much larger at that higher scale.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4108.05, "end": 4109.34, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4109.34, "end": 4110.92, "text": "And oh, were you—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4110.92, "end": 4113.78, "text": "Actually had another sort of technical question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4113.86, "end": 4118.34, "text": "Do we know how many people those 18,000 small businesses employ?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4118.34, "end": 4119.64, "text": "And I have to say, I have no idea.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4119.76, "end": 4124.06, "text": "For all I know, it could be 300,000, it could be 18,000.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4124.06, "end": 4125.57, "text": "I, I don't have that number.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4125.64, "end": 4127.51, "text": "It's at least 18,000 though.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4128, "end": 4128.96, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4130.24, "end": 4132.02, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4132.02, "end": 4142.249, "text": "That Councilor Zimmerman, then we'll go to— Chair, because you asked about like amendments and ideas, I just— there's a question about the volatility that is in the room a little bit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4142.521, "end": 4156.688, "text": "And what is on mind for me, and I'm just kind of thinking through, is what a phased-in approach of the reduction for those 18,000 would look like so we could understand the predictability of that volatility a little bit more.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4156.736, "end": 4169.459, "text": "So I wanted to pose that out there, not for a response now, but like thinking through, like you did a big chunk of who would get reduced at the same time who would get increased, and that's inserted some question marks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4169.571, "end": 4178.297, "text": "But I'm thinking through in terms of what that would mean if we phased in the reductions as we understood in the trend line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4178.345, "end": 4180.321, "text": "So I just wanted you to know that as the sponsor.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4180.563, "end": 4186.348, "text": "Yeah, I actually am glad you asked that question because it's a It's a detail I didn't put in the presentation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4186.526, "end": 4194.69, "text": "We've structured the ordinance to say we don't phase in the exemption until the year following when we start to collect the incremental new revenue.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4195.288, "end": 4196.549, "text": "So that mitigates that risk.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4196.727, "end": 4199.652, "text": "And then just add a finer point on Peter's piece there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4201.16, "end": 4215.083, "text": "His analysis got us down to $33 million net rather than the $72 that we initially estimated because he did pull out those 2 highly volatile ones and say, let's assume that these ones somehow are not paying that tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4215.148, "end": 4223.306, "text": "So that, that does take a risk-adjusted approach and say, in the absence of perfect information in the future, this is a reasonable way we might want to think about that risk.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4223.726, "end": 4226.44, "text": "There's other risks, of course, too, and that's our job to evaluate.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4226.488, "end": 4227.409, "text": "So I appreciate the question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4230.343, "end": 4230.652, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4231.172, "end": 4233.657, "text": "Rebecca, will you please call the first panel of testifiers?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4236.374, "end": 4244.905, "text": "I will call testifiers in groups of and just a reminder to everyone, when you hear your name, you can approach the testimony table.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4245.402, "end": 4251.587, "text": "There is a 3-minute timer that you'll see on the screen in front of you on the floor, and you'll hear 2 chimes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4251.651, "end": 4254.023, "text": "The first one means you have 30 seconds left.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4254.44, "end": 4256.282, "text": "The second one means your time is up.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4257.164, "end": 4259.664, "text": "And let's get started.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4259.968, "end": 4271.009, "text": "We have first up Brian Frank, Jenna Golden, Michael Yurkovsky, Ali Badoine, and Tyler Fellini.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4271.778, "end": 4274.807, "text": "All right, now as folks are coming up, just a couple quick housekeeping notes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4274.983, "end": 4279.934, "text": "If you're not sure who goes first, whoever's, uh, whoever hits the seat first, please go first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4280.399, "end": 4284.79, "text": "Uh, and, uh, if we— everyone were to take the full 3 minutes, we'd be a little over time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4284.886, "end": 4288.572, "text": "So take your 3 minutes if you want it, but if you don't, don't feel the need to fill it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4288.972, "end": 4291.055, "text": "Uh, if you got 15 seconds left, we'll, we'll take them back.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4291.472, "end": 4293.509, "text": "And make sure that someone at the end of the list has their full time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4294.583, "end": 4296.059, "text": "Take it away, person to my right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4296.427, "end": 4296.684, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4297.726, "end": 4299.987, "text": "Members of the committee, my name is Brian Frank.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4300.196, "end": 4303.628, "text": "I live in Northeast Portland and have been a resident of D2 for 23 years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4304.397, "end": 4311.918, "text": "I'm also an accountant who has the privilege of working with hundreds of Portland businesses, filing thousands of the tax returns we're talking about today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4312.095, "end": 4314.276, "text": "I'm down with the BZT, if you know what I mean.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4315.27, "end": 4322.117, "text": "My experience working with our incredible small business community inspired me to co-found Portland Businesses for All earlier this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4322.647, "end": 4324.204, "text": "We're a new all-volunteer group.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4324.492, "end": 4332.18, "text": "In the last few months, we have more than 60 local businesses who've joined us advocating for an inclusive, compassionate, and effective city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4332.677, "end": 4338.07, "text": "So on behalf of my business and Portland Businesses for All, I'm here in support of the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4338.856, "end": 4356.354, "text": "This proposal would reduce burdens on the type of businesses I work with every day— microentrepreneurs who are just getting started, craftspeople, carpenters, makers, Health and wellness providers, nannies for our kids, and a host of content experts and service providers that give Portland its special flavor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4357.171, "end": 4362.764, "text": "So I'm wondering, how many of you here have friends or neighbors running businesses that will benefit from this change?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4363.228, "end": 4366.017, "text": "Seriously, I'm guessing every single person in this room.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4367.074, "end": 4373.756, "text": "How many of you know one of the 405 wealthy CEOs whose skyrocketing wages are driving this additional surcharge?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4374.718, "end": 4377.238, "text": "I'm guessing not more than a handful of people here, if anyone.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4377.896, "end": 4378.843, "text": "What a stark choice.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4379.597, "end": 4390.157, "text": "We can reduce one of the many burdens on small businesses here and have a more sustainable budget supporting fire departments, parks, city programs that help actual Portland-owned and operated businesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4391.216, "end": 4400.509, "text": "Or we can keep on ignoring wealth disparities that would make the robber barons of the Gilded Age blush for fear of being punished for seeking a dime of accountability from big businesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4400.573, "end": 4400.717, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4401.423, "end": 4416.71, "text": "Multinationals like Tesla corrupting our politics, companies like Starbucks that are pushing out local coffee shops and bakeries, and monopolists like Amazon, who is most likely the number one company we're talking about earlier, who have been crushing Main Street businesses for most of our lives.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4417.303, "end": 4421.971, "text": "These same companies just got a massive permanent windfall from Trump's corporate tax cuts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4422.356, "end": 4436.243, "text": "Here too, y'all, our city's conformity with federal changes, particularly the expansion of bonus depreciation, Just gave these same big businesses a huge tax break here in Portland, $33 million annually according to the city's budget director report, which I read last week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4437.917, "end": 4442.075, "text": "Today you're going to hear opponents say this tax will lead to businesses leaving Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4442.706, "end": 4449.533, "text": "I hate to get all accountant speaky on y'all, but do you understand that this tax code uses market-based sourcing?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4450.128, "end": 4452.588, "text": "So it's based on your volume of sales in Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4453.569, "end": 4457.443, "text": "Having a regional office here has little to no impact on subjectivity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4457.861, "end": 4463.688, "text": "Do you seriously believe Coca-Cola and PGE are going to stop selling soda and power here to save a buck on taxes?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4464.201, "end": 4466.384, "text": "You might want to talk to an accountant before fearmongering.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4467.556, "end": 4477.381, "text": "The claim that the fair share tax will hurt the local economy is at best long-debunked trickle-down economics, and at worst a betrayal of 18,000 local businesses that help make Portland so special.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4477.91, "end": 4481.972, "text": "D2 reps, Councilor Ryan, please be a champion for local biz rather than Reaganomics.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4483.01, "end": 4483.854, "text": "I'll leave it there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4485.509, "end": 4486.204, "text": "And thanks to you 2 reps.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4488.83, "end": 4489.531, "text": "Thank you to the council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4489.596, "end": 4490.607, "text": "My name is Jenna Golden.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4491.373, "end": 4495.299, "text": "I've been in Portland for 25 years and I live and work in District 1.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4495.348, "end": 4498.065, "text": "I've been a small business owner in Portland for almost 15 years.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4498.825, "end": 4504.956, "text": "I own an accounting firm that prepares taxes for hundreds of businesses in Portland, the majority of which will have relief from this proposal.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4505.378, "end": 4506.805, "text": "And we also have 3 employees ourselves.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4507.551, "end": 4509.92, "text": "I am also a coordinating member of Portland Businesses for All.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 4510.06, "end": 4515.239, "text": "I have to say, this is the first time I've felt that myself and my clients are being seen by City Hall.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 4516.02, "end": 4518.465, "text": "Portland is a city of small business owners.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 4518.644, "end": 4521.904, "text": "We are the reason people visit, but we are not treated as such.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4523.34, "end": 4527.77, "text": "This is part of why we formed Portland Businesses for All, to have a seat at the table in local decision-making.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4528.301, "end": 4531.636, "text": "So special thanks to Councilors Green and Murillo for seeing us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4533.054, "end": 4543.056, "text": "I support the fair share tax because it, it not only relieves truly small businesses of a tax burden, but more importantly, it puts the responsibility of generating tax revenue on the businesses that can afford it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4543.97, "end": 4553.975, "text": "As an accountant, I've seen that those who have the least give the most, while those who have the most spend their money on lobbying against paying their taxes rather than contributing to the common good.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4554.712, "end": 4559.635, "text": "Not because they don't have the means to pay, but because they want us all to have less so they can control us more.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4560.597, "end": 4561.847, "text": "Their lobbying efforts have worked.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4562.008, "end": 4565.279, "text": "For the past 5 years, corporations have shown the highest profits in history.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4565.343, "end": 4565.519, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4566.097, "end": 4572.09, "text": "Average CEO pay ratios have gone from 26 to 1 in the late '70s up to 280 to 1 in 2025.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4573.022, "end": 4575.463, "text": "They even have us believing that taxing them will make things worse.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4576.62, "end": 4577.648, "text": "Where does that leave the rest of us?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4577.825, "end": 4578.612, "text": "Lower prices?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4578.95, "end": 4579.785, "text": "Higher paying jobs?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4579.914, "end": 4581.376, "text": "A robust social program?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4581.601, "end": 4581.697, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4582.34, "end": 4584.749, "text": "Worker productivity is up while wages have stagnated.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4585.055, "end": 4586.324, "text": "Prices are at record highs.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4586.758, "end": 4597.508, "text": "In Oregon, more than 70,000 Oregonians lost SNAP benefits this year, and nearly 600,000 and we have people in the room who will say that this tax isn't fair.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4598.213, "end": 4601.881, "text": "What's not fair is that up to 14 schools in the Portland area are in danger of closing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4602.394, "end": 4606.255, "text": "What's not fair is that TriMet service has been adjusted for 34 lines.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4606.863, "end": 4612.807, "text": "What's not fair is a medical clinic in District 3 having to pay up to $8,000 for a permit to build a wheelchair ramp.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4613.752, "end": 4623.797, "text": "What's not fair are the hurdles that small businesses have to jump through to get funding while Prosper Portland ignores its own guidelines to give a $7 million low-interest loan to a risky sneaker village that failed.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4623.893, "end": 4624.325, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4626.207, "end": 4628.715, "text": "What's fair is reducing the tax burden on working people.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4629.362, "end": 4635.899, "text": "What's fair is investing the $72 million in our public schools, public transit, healthcare, affordable housing, and local small businesses.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4636.256, "end": 4638.798, "text": "What's fair is to make corporations pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4644.597, "end": 4646.991, "text": "Hi there, my name is Ollie Bodwin.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4647.25, "end": 4648.399, "text": "I'm a business professor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4648.561, "end": 4651.098, "text": "I'm also, also running for city council Councilmember, District 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4651.162, "end": 4653.101, "text": "So I've been spending a lot of time with my counterparts there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4654.351, "end": 4655.729, "text": "I want to take my remarks—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4655.729, "end": 4657.684, "text": "So first thing is, I think you should pass this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4658.036, "end": 4660.664, "text": "I think this is a good strategy for small businesses.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4661.257, "end": 4664.285, "text": "But some of the concerns I have is $900 is not enough.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4664.541, "end": 4673.354, "text": "When I think about operationally with firms I work with, it is like 4 hours of labor collectively for an organization, or it could be the cost of goods for that day.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4674.059, "end": 4681.773, "text": "What we really need to do is to take the idea of us going from a positive tax rate To a zero tax rate, to a negative tax rate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4682.335, "end": 4691.505, "text": "And one of the ways we do this is we do it through a small business tax credit for firms under revenue— we can look at the data and figure out, is it under half a million dollars?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4692.132, "end": 4699.969, "text": "That will take the charts that we saw earlier today where we see decreases in business openings, lifting them up the other direction.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4700.788, "end": 4705.156, "text": "And that will really spur a really inspirational growth path.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4705.317, "end": 4705.445, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4706.023, "end": 4707.193, "text": "We will reduce vacancy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4707.787, "end": 4710.85, "text": "We will not have to have police go into these places that are abandoned.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4711.315, "end": 4712.726, "text": "We will have people working.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4712.839, "end": 4714.25, "text": "We will have communities thriving.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4714.763, "end": 4719.254, "text": "This investment, based on budget, could look like, in my mind, up to $10,000.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4719.815, "end": 4721.868, "text": "And there is a flight path of the credit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4722.076, "end": 4731.121, "text": "So in my world, it looks like $100,000 at a $2,000 credit, $500,000 at a $10,000 credit, and firms can grow their way out of the credit.", "speaker": "Sameer 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that our loyalty by investing into them drives that?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4797.499, "end": 4799.506, "text": "Um, and then a few remarks I do want to make.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4800.229, "end": 4802.814, "text": "Uh, you made a point about fiduciary responsibility.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4803.761, "end": 4812.634, "text": "You know, in my time as being a business professor, I have seen very little fiduciary responsibility, like, from a legal action when publicly traded companies fail.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4813.564, "end": 4816.627, "text": "Um, and there I see it my whole career.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4816.691, "end": 4820.235, "text": "So, like, I don't think that's really a defense mechanism for the most part.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4821.085, "end": 4826.056, "text": "Um, so, but I do trust that if we invest in our business owners, they will invest back to us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4826.617, "end": 4826.745, "text": "Time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4827.916, "end": 4828.172, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4828.317, "end": 4831.893, "text": "Good morning, Chair Kanal and councilors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4831.941, "end": 4832.694, "text": "I'm Tyler Fellini.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4832.823, "end": 4838.192, "text": "I'm the executive director of and a registered lobbyist for Portland Jobs with Justice, and I'm here for the working people of the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4838.737, "end": 4842.391, "text": "They're the ones who drive the bus, stock the shelves, and clean the offices.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4842.743, "end": 4844.426, "text": "And right now they're squeezed from every side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4844.986, "end": 4846.669, "text": "And I don't have to read you a report to prove it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4847.15, "end": 4850.883, "text": "Over the last 18 months, I've watched small businesses around my neighborhood in D3 close their doors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4851.396, "end": 4855.482, "text": "And if you ask any of those owners why, you'll hear the same thing: everything costs too much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4855.899, "end": 4858.254, "text": "Supplies cost more, especially after Trump's tariffs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4858.831, "end": 4862.629, "text": "Wage and— wages and job growth have stalled out, so customers have left less to spend.", "speaker": "Sameer 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of you up there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 4891.294, "end": 4895.241, "text": "Um, but no business wants to operate in a city that's cutting services and falling apart.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 4896.268, "end": 4898.53, "text": "The fair share tax answers both of those concerns.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 4899.011, "end": 4900.182, "text": "It's a right-sized solution.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4901.498, "end": 4929.291, "text": "About 18,000 small businesses— our incredible food carts and cafes, vibrant tattoo shops and hair salons, and all of the artisan shops on streets like Hawthorne, Alberta, Mississippi, etc.— would stop paying the business tax license tax that's a real relief for the people who are actually struggling, and it's paid for by about 400 of the largest publicly traded corporations, which would pay more based on one thing: the gap between what they pay their CEO and what they pay their typical worker.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4930.159, "end": 4936.312, "text": "We're talking about companies where the boss makes 100, 250, even 500 times what the average employee does.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4937.228, "end": 4940.088, "text": "I don't think we need to feel empathy or sympathy for those corporations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4940.152, "end": 4940.329, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4940.747, "end": 4943.828, "text": "They've had decades of tax breaks while their workers' wages went nowhere.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 4944.374, "end": 4948.386, "text": "And it's a tax on profits earned right here in Portland, not on things like groceries or paychecks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 4949.028, "end": 4952.318, "text": "A company that doesn't like the bill has an easy fix: pay your workers more.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 4953.377, "end": 4958.866, "text": "That's tens of millions of dollars a year to keep services running without cuts or new taxes on working families.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4959.444, "end": 4962.686, "text": "So today I'm asking you to do one thing: move this out of committee and onto the full council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4963.151, "end": 4967.098, "text": "Let's choose a Portland that works for workers, small businesses, and everyone who calls this city home.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4967.412, "end": 4967.676, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4967.99, "end": 4968.354, "text": "That's my time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4971.77, "end": 4979.844, "text": "Connor Smith, Zach White, Thomas Cavanaugh, Steve Cheesborough, Lydia Kiesling.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 4985.006, "end": 4986.115, "text": "You can go ahead at the table.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 4989.23, "end": 4991.289, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 4991.755, "end": 4992.978, "text": "My name is Connor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 4993.026, "end": 4996.469, "text": "I live in Southeast Portland, and I am a small business owner in the Central East Side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 4998.068, "end": 5005.534, "text": "Portland is home to many unique small businesses, giving our city a more vibrant feel than many of the other cities in the United States.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5005.887, "end": 5012.758, "text": "It's one of the reasons I moved here from Chicago when looking at other West Coast cities to escape the bad weather.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5013.642, "end": 5021.814, "text": "Opening a new business can be difficult, especially in the bar and restaurant scene, which is especially known for a high rate of failure in the first few years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5022.633, "end": 5025.972, "text": "Many of these businesses barely make ends meet in their beginning stages.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5026.02, "end": 5026.261, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5026.582, "end": 5029.626, "text": "But it is not because they have a poor concept or are run badly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5030.492, "end": 5031.261, "text": "They just need time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5032.286, "end": 5040.17, "text": "The businesses that succeed and go on to thrive 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"start": 5101.246, "end": 5105.85, "text": "Hello, I'm Steve Chesbrough.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5106.172, "end": 5107.749, "text": "I'm a transportation activist.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5108.427, "end": 5114.844, "text": "And a working musician and a tax accountant, and I support this proposal.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5115.262, "end": 5123.395, "text": "As Gershwin says, it's wonderful, it's marvelous, exactly what we should be doing here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5124.83, "end": 5127.201, "text": "Big corporations are not hurting, okay?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5127.282, "end": 5129.169, "text": "Working people are hurting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5129.363, "end": 5138.728, "text": "If the corporations can afford to pay 50 or 500 times what they pay their workers to a 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businesses will save, the coffee shops and the pubs and restaurants, Maybe they can start putting more live music back into public places in Portland, which is something we used to hear all the time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5173.015, "end": 5175.729, "text": "Have you noticed we don't hear much live music in Portland these days?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5176.227, "end": 5185.443, "text": "So maybe they can put some of this money to good use doing that, which of course benefits everyone, not just the musicians, if we have more music in town.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5186.824, "end": 5193.423, "text": "And shifting the tax burden to corporations, It's something this city did a few years ago with PSF, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5193.504, "end": 5194.611, "text": "And everyone loves PSF.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5194.708, "end": 5198.304, "text": "I don't hear anyone saying, and saying let's overturn PSF.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5198.417, "end": 5209.978, "text": "So we know that shifting the tax burden from working people to corporations is a very effective and just way to raise money for this city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5210.186, "end": 5211.423, "text": "So let's do it, please.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5211.487, "end": 5212.001, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5216.785, "end": 5218.727, "text": "Zach, you're in front of me, or should I go ahead?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5219.337, "end": 5220.476, "text": "Uh, hi, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5220.557, "end": 5220.845, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5220.894, "end": 5221.889, "text": "I value your time greatly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5222.226, "end": 5223.14, "text": "Uh, my name is Thomas Cavanaugh.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5223.205, "end": 5226.623, "text": "I live in Northeast Portland and have been a resident of D2 for 5 years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5227.522, "end": 5233.508, "text": "I bet I'm the newest business owner testifying today, so I actually have not even seen the, uh, business license tax come my way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5233.717, "end": 5241.725, "text": "I've been a software developer for a decade, but in the face of potential layoffs at a former employer, I agonized over the choice to go independent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5242.142, "end": 5244.195, "text": "Consulted with my partner and peers in the industry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 5244.307, "end": 5249.389, "text": "Everyone told me it'd be tough, that I'd wake up every day with self-doubt and anxiety, and I definitely had a little bit of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 5250.319, "end": 5251.858, "text": "But I've never felt alone in this journey.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5252.083, "end": 5257.182, "text": "As a volunteer with Portland Businesses for All, I'm grateful to be in community with smart, hardworking entrepreneurs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5257.695, "end": 5262.264, "text": "Together, we want to use our voices to realize a more inclusive, compassionate, and effective government.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5263.146, "end": 5268.79, "text": "Knock on wood— I think something's wood here— I hope to be in business and testifying again this time next year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 5268.998, "end": 5271.674, "text": "Maybe I'll even hire my first employee.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 5271.869, "end": 5277.714, "text": "That feels funny to say out loud, to imagine a transition so quickly from worker bee to job creator.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 5278.71, "end": 5287.102, "text": "What I can't imagine, what I feel embarrassed even thinking about, is interviewing my first candidate and telling them, for every $1,000 I make, I'll pay you $1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 5287.683, "end": 5291.403, "text": "Make me a millionaire, and then maybe you can make your first car payment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 5293.158, "end": 5295.927, "text": "I have plenty of confidence in my abilities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 5295.992, "end": 5296.748, "text": "I value my time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 5296.797, "end": 5297.489, "text": "I value yours.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 5297.782, "end": 5304.478, "text": "But I couldn't possibly think that my time is 1,794 times more valuable than that of any team member I would bring on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 5305.232, "end": 5314.256, "text": "But apparently this grotesque disparity in wage is not sufficiently undignified for the board of Starbucks, who authorized a $96 million payout this year to their CEO for just 4 months of work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 5314.866, "end": 5319.507, "text": "For reference, a barista making $20 an hour would have to work 4 million hours to make that much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 5320.663, "end": 5326.893, "text": "In the '90s, the average CEO— when I was born, the average CEO-to-worker ratio was 100 to 1 for the top 350 firms.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 5327.567, "end": 5330.263, "text": "Now it's over 350 or 300-ish, I guess it is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 5331.001, "end": 5337.352, "text": "Corporations will always prioritize shareholder profit over the health of communities they serve and the workforce that delivers them value.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 5337.449, "end": 5345.998, "text": "The Trump administration and the deeply pocketed business lobby have made this problem worse, gutting corporate taxes to further centralize power in the hands of the wealthy elite.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 5347.201, "end": 5348.869, "text": "I heard someone mention the word right-size.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 5349.542, "end": 5350.184, "text": "I think it was Tyler.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 5350.505, "end": 5360.001, "text": "When economic winds become unfavorable, these big firms love to use the term right-sizing to downplay the hardships that massive layoffs bring to the average wage earner.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 5360.63, "end": 5368.748, "text": "The fair share tax brings some sanity back to our tax policy by right-sizing the contribution that these massive enterprises bring to Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 5370.055, "end": 5375.895, "text": "Councilors Pearl Guinea, Dan Ryan, and the rest of the council, I urge you to all support the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 5375.944, "end": 5376.463, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 5379.412, "end": 5380.391, "text": "Zach White's online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 5380.492, "end": 5381.252, "text": "You can go ahead, Zach.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 5383.156, "end": 5384.295, "text": "Hello, my name is Zach White.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 5384.439, "end": 5387.838, "text": "I was born at the Adventist Hospital and I live in Madison South.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 5387.902, "end": 5389.393, "text": "Shout out Parkrose Coffee.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 5389.97, "end": 5395.438, "text": "I'm a field organizer with NextUp Action Fund and a member of Multnomah Friends Quaker Meeting, testifying in my personal capacity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5396.24, "end": 5399.735, "text": "I've been haunted by the wealth inequality gap graph.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5399.927, "end": 5403.984, "text": "The first 1/3 of wealth in America is owned by the 1%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 5405.058, "end": 5412.483, "text": "The top 10% own 2/3 of the wealth in America, and the 90% of us, we own That last third.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 5413.222, "end": 5416.305, "text": "It's not rule of the people if we can't afford rent and food.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 5416.37, "end": 5419.79, "text": "Democracy just becomes a word, a formality with that kind of inequality.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 5420.947, "end": 5424.464, "text": "Trump's 2 terms have emboldened an already criminal corporate gangster class.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 5425.026, "end": 5429.892, "text": "One of the titans— when one of the titans of Wall Street paid Jeffrey Epstein millions of dollars, what was it for?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 5430.02, "end": 5430.952, "text": "What was the line item?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 5431, "end": 5432.493, "text": "It was tax advice.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 5432.734, "end": 5434.26, "text": "Kind of poetic, I think.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 5435.159, "end": 5442.224, "text": "I have a feeling all 12 of you like the part about giving 18,000 local small businesses tax relief from the BLT.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5442.481, "end": 5447.278, "text": "I think the controversial part is about the 400 companies who pay their CEOs at this high ratio.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5448.16, "end": 5454.513, "text": "We heard from Sarah Anderson of the Institute for Policy Studies in the great webinar Mitch and Angelita did with her.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5454.577, "end": 5469.321, "text": "She said that what she said today, not only does this poll well, Americans like the idea of a 50-to-1 CEO ratio tax, but she also said when Americans are asked, they think like 7-to-1 is a fair ratio.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5469.401, "end": 5470.877, "text": "And when I heard that, I laughed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5471.262, "end": 5472.255, "text": "It's really sad to hear.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5472.608, "end": 5477.478, "text": "People have talked about the Starbucks CEO pay ratio is 1,800 to 1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5478.536, "end": 5488.1, "text": "As a kid, my mom would drive me to my grandma's house on Mount Tabor, and we'd pass what is now the Starbucks on Stark and 102nd.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5488.389, "end": 5496.864, "text": "I remember when it was a Coffee People, and I think that memory kind of tells the story of our economy in a really heartbreaking way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5496.976, "end": 5501.785, "text": "So yes, it's good to incentivize corporations to pay their workers more.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5501.849, "end": 5502.958, "text": "But there's another side to this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5503.857, "end": 5505.432, "text": "I watched your budget process this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5506.363, "end": 5510.138, "text": "I watched you vote over and over not to restore services the mayor had cut.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5510.845, "end": 5514.315, "text": "You made hard choices faced with a record shortfall of $160 million.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5515.52, "end": 5520.082, "text": "I quoted the New York mayor months ago, balancing the budget on the backs of working people.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5520.757, "end": 5524.757, "text": "I'm still seeing city workers pleading with you for a fair contract.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5525.56, "end": 5540.365, "text": "I think that budget process is something to keep in mind as you consider a policy like this, the top 10 wealthiest Americans who own 2/3 of our country's wealth never have to scramble like my city government has to scramble.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5541.698, "end": 5544.797, "text": "They never have to scramble like Portland Public Schools is scrambling.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5545.471, "end": 5549.63, "text": "They never have to scramble like half of Americans living paycheck to paycheck.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5550.272, "end": 5552.167, "text": "And I don't think any of you think that's right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5552.295, "end": 5552.633, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5554.944, "end": 5556.116, "text": "Lydia Kiesling's online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5556.213, "end": 5557.224, "text": "You can go ahead, Lydia.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5558.235, "end": 5558.668, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5558.877, "end": 5562.906, "text": "My name is Lydia Kiesling, and I'm a resident of District 3 and a member of Portland DSA.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5563.677, "end": 5568.075, "text": "The state of Oregon has the highest rate of unsheltered children in the United States, number one.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5568.653, "end": 5575.539, "text": "The city of Portland, which you govern, has around 9,000 people living on its streets and many, many thousands more people who do not have a place to live.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5576.213, "end": 5581.799, "text": "Those people, who are often not counted, live in cars or with relatives or acquaintances or in extended-stay motels.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5582.456, "end": 5585.695, "text": "Many of these people have jobs and go to work every day, just like you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5586.785, "end": 5598.503, "text": "Pulitzer Prize-winning author Bryan Goldstone, in his book There Is No Place for Us, meticulously details the way that working people in America are pushed into homelessness by a predatory economy that squeezes value out of them and then throws them away.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5599.144, "end": 5605.925, "text": "American companies collude to maintain a permanent underclass through low wages, unstable hours, and schedules that make benefits out of the question.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5606.582, "end": 5613.779, "text": "The private equity companies that buy up housing units and drive up rents also own the extended-stay hotels that people must turn to after they can no longer keep up with the rent.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5613.892, "end": 5616.028, "text": "Keep up with rent or pay the deposit for a new place.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5616.542, "end": 5631.851, "text": "These are facts, and there has been no social, legal, or material consequence for these corporate behaviors, even though they have directly contributed to the skyrocketing rates of homelessness in our country, both the kinds that is visible in our streets and the kind that is tucked away in mold-filled motels and is no less devastating.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5633.152, "end": 5641.393, "text": "The proposed fair share tax is an expression of economic justice that seeks to prevent 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"speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5672.053, "end": 5676.888, "text": "It will not house people, clean our parks, fill potholes, or put money in working people's pockets.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5677.434, "end": 5680.39, "text": "We cannot wait for companies to do the right things because they will not.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5680.647, "end": 5684.759, "text": "They are beholden to their shareholders, not their workers, not their cities, and not you and me.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5685.305, "end": 5690.975, "text": "Government must compel them to contribute, just like individual Portlanders do, but at a rate that at least tries to approach fairness.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5692.051, "end": 5699.456, "text": "If you vote against this, you are choosing a billionaire who doesn't even go here over someone who owns your favorite coffee shop and sends their kids to Portland Public Schools.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5699.52, "end": 5699.681, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5700.231, "end": 5705.567, "text": "You are choosing a billionaire who will use his wealth to meddle in our democracy over kids in Portland who need swimming lessons.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5706.07, "end": 5712.931, "text": "You are choosing a billionaire over the people who clean and care for the building you're in, whose commutes have gotten longer and whose bills are going up every day.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5713.397, "end": 5718.687, "text": "That's the choice you will make if you do not support this common-sense, incontrovertibly just piece of legislation.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5719.041, "end": 5720.537, "text": "That will be your political legacy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5720.891, "end": 5722.226, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5724.626, "end": 5725.349, "text": "Sarah Fisher.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5726.126, "end": 5732.731, "text": "Brian Kotlove, Dion Mensah, Jamie Partridge, Nicole Dubrow.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5733.035, "end": 5736.386, "text": "We'll be taking a short break after this group of panelists.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5736.482, "end": 5737.332, "text": "Brian's online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5737.749, "end": 5738.534, "text": "You can go ahead, Brian.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5739.929, "end": 5740.314, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5740.49, "end": 5741.58, "text": "Uh, hi everyone, good morning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5741.692, "end": 5742.366, "text": "My name is Brian.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5742.59, "end": 5751.567, "text": "I'm a resident of District 4, and I'm speaking in opposition to this misguided piece of local legislation that should be taken up in the U.S. Congress, not Portland City Hall.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5752.673, "end": 5772.359, "text": "Many councilors and testifiers are taking it as simple fact that companies will continue to invest in Portland with no change if this tax is implemented, but it ignores the tens of thousands of companies this tax targets who are not consumer-focused and can more easily avoid creating a tax nexus in Portland by simply not hiring Portland workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5773.45, "end": 5777.489, "text": "If this legislation passes, the people who ultimately lose aren't wealthy CEOs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5777.826, "end": 5778.612, "text": "They're Portland workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5779.831, "end": 5784.387, "text": "We all want workers to earn better wages, receive better benefits, and enjoy better working conditions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5784.981, "end": 5790.996, "text": "And the most powerful way to achieve these worker benefits is by making employers compete for their labor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5791.814, "end": 5798.199, "text": "As an example, if you only have one potential employer, that employer has enormous leverage over you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5798.68, "end": 5804.519, "text": "They can pay you less, offer fewer benefits, and provide worse working conditions because you have nowhere else to go.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": 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"speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5853.82, "end": 5867.656, "text": "Please reject this anti-worker piece of legislation and find an alternative avenue to get small businesses the relief Dionne's online.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5867.753, "end": 5868.612, "text": "Dionne, you can go ahead.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5870.18, "end": 5871.39, "text": "Hello and good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5871.745, "end": 5878.489, "text": "My name is Dionne Mensah, and I serve as the deputy director of the Oregon Black Worker Center at Imagine Black, and I live within District 2.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5879.393, "end": 5886.379, "text": "Led by Imagine Black Futures and the Rosewood Initiative, the Oregon Black Worker Center is the only worker center in Oregon built explicitly for Black workers.", "speaker": "Candace 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"end": 6066.506, "text": "I walk everywhere.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 6067.036, "end": 6068.047, "text": "I shop local.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 6068.785, "end": 6078.628, "text": "I know that neighborhoods are the backbone of this city and small businesses, like schools, are its beating heart and lifeblood.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 6079.557, "end": 6082.393, "text": "Small businesses make our city strive.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 6083.467, "end": 6089.812, "text": "Every small business I know struggles to make ends meet every day and every month.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 6090.598, "end": 6095.164, "text": "Some don't know how they will keep the lights on from week to week.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 6095.949, "end": 6101.02, "text": "One ice storm can ruin a small restaurant's whole year.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 6102.779, "end": 6112.081, "text": "One of my favorite sayings is that you can count the seeds in an apple, but you cannot count the apples in a seed.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 6113.762, "end": 6123.043, "text": "This elimination of the BLT, however small it may seem to many of you, is a seed for small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 6124.304, "end": 6130.453, "text": "If anyone has stories about communities that thrive in a culture of austerity, Let me know.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 6131.735, "end": 6134.667, "text": "When small businesses thrive, we all thrive.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 6135.82, "end": 6149.328, "text": "As a pastor who advocates for our neighbors who are silenced by extreme poverty, I'm often accused of only caring about poor and unhoused people.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 6150.145, "end": 6151.299, "text": "This is not true.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 6152.244, "end": 6169.138, "text": "In addition to supporting small business owners throughout our city, I am deeply concerned about the spiritual and moral health of people who think it's okay to pay their employees such a tiny percentage of what they make themselves.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 6170.454, "end": 6177.165, "text": "I don't want our city to follow the morally bankrupt path of the federal administration.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 6178.545, "end": 6184.709, "text": "The fair share tax will help all Portlanders and everyone who does business here.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 6185.745, "end": 6187.915, "text": "Please do the right thing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 6188.909, "end": 6189.709, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 6194.29, "end": 6194.451, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 6195.519, "end": 6196.312, "text": "Hello, good morning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 6196.652, "end": 6197.736, "text": "I'm Jamie Partridge.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 6198.125, "end": 6210.801, "text": "I'm a retired mail carrier in District 2, and I'm here to speak on, um, in favor of the fair share tax and on behalf of my favorite barista, um, Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 6210.865, "end": 6211.459, "text": "I have a question for Councilor Herbold.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 6211.508, "end": 6218.321, "text": "I have a small business owner, a sole proprietor who is working right now, not able to come and testify for herself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 6219.59, "end": 6243.556, "text": "She runs a coffee food cart, Latina, single mother of 3, works 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to keep her coffee food cart afloat and makes $125,000 a year, which puts her above the level for the small business exemption for the business license tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 6244.65, "end": 6253.28, "text": "If the exemption were raised to $500,000 like this proposal would do, she could take a day off.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 6254.543, "end": 6256.569, "text": "It would make that much difference in her life.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 6258.642, "end": 6268.689, "text": "And why in the world would we not raise taxes on the multi-billion-dollar corporations that have CEOs that make over 50 times their average worker.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 6269.316, "end": 6276.238, "text": "Think of the average worker making $25 an hour, CEO making $2.5 million a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 6277.245, "end": 6278.365, "text": "Who needs that kind of money?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 6281.322, "end": 6281.354, "text": "I—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 6282.617, "end": 6295.008, "text": "My corporation, the US Postal Service, the CEO, 7 levels of management above the the postal workers makes $350,000 a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 6295.411, "end": 6298.462, "text": "That's 6 times what the average worker makes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 6300.07, "end": 6308.094, "text": "That seems like too much to me anyway, but it's a lot less than what we're talking about here and certainly much more reasonable.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 6308.159, "end": 6314.937, "text": "As someone suggested that the average person in a survey said that 7 to 1 seemed reasonable.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6315.549, "end": 6316.32, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6318.345, "end": 6322.731, "text": "But it's— what we're talking about here is really out of line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6322.908, "end": 6334.767, "text": "And why wouldn't we want to bring in tens of millions of dollars to improve and secure the services that we all deserve, like expanding social housing?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6335.827, "end": 6337.145, "text": "Anyway, we deserve it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6337.193, "end": 6337.691, "text": "Let's do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6338.237, "end": 6338.623, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6340.84, "end": 6341.836, "text": "Nicole is online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6342.029, "end": 6342.527, "text": "You can go ahead.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6347, "end": 6347.529, "text": "Hi, thanks.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6347.577, "end": 6359.263, "text": "I'm a Portlander in Dan Ryan's District 2, and I'm testifying in favor of the fair share tax on behalf of the lifeblood of our city, small business owners and their local employees.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6360.034, "end": 6367.016, "text": "The independent entrepreneurial spirit of Portland's DIY culture was one of the primary reasons I moved to Portland 20 years ago.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6367.787, "end": 6377.457, "text": "I love getting to know the local business owners in my neighborhood and the interactions I have with business owners and their employees is so innately ingrained into my sense of community in place.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6378.13, "end": 6388.679, "text": "When I moved out of my longtime neighborhood, I shared a tender moment of goodbye with the owner of the neighborhood pet shop, No Po Paws, because I grieved knowing she and her store would not be part of my daily fabric anymore.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6389.609, "end": 6396.037, "text": "I still think fondly of the local coffee shop, Red E, that always had a treat behind the counter for my dog and a smile and chitchat for me.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6396.807, "end": 6401.76, "text": "That made my latte way sweeter than anything union-busting corporate Starbucks could ever serve.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6403.138, "end": 6411.041, "text": "In fact, it was my former housemate from 2009 that's now a business owner that first alerted me, um, to, to the need to testify.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6411.554, "end": 6418.35, "text": "And then I met another business owner at Dead Moon Night, a free concert partially organized by local business Mississippi Records.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6418.863, "end": 6423.463, "text": "We waxed nostalgic about old Portland and the urgency of saving local businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6424.176, "end": 6427.597, "text": "In order to save our local economy and beloved culture.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6429.879, "end": 6433.251, "text": "But a lot has changed in Portland, particularly affordability.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6434.252, "end": 6442.119, "text": "Instead of conversations deciding which new restaurant to try, I find my friends and I talking more about which of our favorite restaurants closed recently.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6443.278, "end": 6448.172, "text": "We even make our lists of like top 5 favorite restaurants and cafes and shops that we miss.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6448.494, "end": 6451.533, "text": "Shout out to Revelry, the best restaurant that's no longer here.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6452.293, "end": 6461.676, "text": "Um, Earlier this week, a friend of mine sent out a survey asking friends to brainstorm their next step because they had to shut down their business due to it not being profitable anywhere.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6462.527, "end": 6474.81, "text": "Meanwhile, Portland's healthcare and school systems are consolidating, our nation's media has further consolidated, and Live Nation seems to get more favorable treatment by the city than our beloved local music venue Doug Fir.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6475.372, "end": 6477.909, "text": "The city needs to do what it can to stop the bleeding.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6478.166, "end": 6481.486, "text": "Passing the fair share tax is one tangible way to do that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6481.809, "end": 6486.209, "text": "The City of Portland must stand with the local business owners that are the pulse of our community.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6486.73, "end": 6493.284, "text": "The City of Portland must stand with the local employees whose livelihoods are dependent on the survival of our local business culture.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6496.428, "end": 6506.3, "text": "Failure to do so will erode the vibrancy of our city for the vast majority of us, just for the continued benefit of the faceless C-suites and shareholders who are the cause of the affordability crisis.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6507.092, "end": 6527.615, "text": "Please stand with local partner businesses and the vast majority of residents who love them, and not the corporate lobbyists whose interests are in stark opposition to our goal to have the sustainability of a thriving Portland for all, for generations to come, and not just sustainability for the top few.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6528.483, "end": 6528.884, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6530.347, "end": 6531.472, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6531.553, "end": 6533.176, "text": "We're going to take a short break.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6533.224, "end": 6534.54, "text": "We'll be back at 11:24.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6534.61, "end": 6535.891, "text": "Please try to be back on time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 6536.196, "end": 6536.564, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 7197.889, "end": 7198.785, "text": "All right, thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 7199.03, "end": 7204.095, "text": "We are now back, and Rebecca, if you could please call up the, uh, the next panel.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 7205.668, "end": 7207.243, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 7207.702, "end": 7208.604, "text": "Molly Hogan.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 7210.796, "end": 7221.448, "text": "Bernabe Ruiz, Lauren Armony, Esther Leon, Jennifer Bitgood.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 7223.67, "end": 7226.013, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 7235.076, "end": 7235.301, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 7236.76, "end": 7238.267, "text": "Um, hello, Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 7239.085, "end": 7240.641, "text": "Thank you for this opportunity to speak.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 7240.705, "end": 7246.381, "text": "My name is Molly Hogan, and I'm with the Welcome Home Coalition, a housing justice alliance in the Portland metro.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 7247.119, "end": 7251.449, "text": "I'm here today to strongly encourage you to vote yes and pass the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 7252.09, "end": 7256.564, "text": "This tax is so common sense and thoughtfully crafted, it should be easy to say yes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 7257.302, "end": 7261.391, "text": "We live in insane wealth inequality, and it's literally making our society sick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 7262.114, "end": 7269.261, "text": "There's a popular story being told that the rich are suffering and that they make all the jobs and that they will leave all the cities if they have to pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 7269.903, "end": 7274.175, "text": "This argument is tired and has been used over and over, and it fails to come true.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 7274.801, "end": 7278.351, "text": "Corporations are not going to stop selling stuff to the people of Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 7279.057, "end": 7281.836, "text": "Let's ground ourselves in real dollar amounts of corporate salaries.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 7282.527, "end": 7288.035, "text": "Starbucks CEO makes $31 million a year, and the average Starbucks barista makes $30,000 a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 7288.678, "end": 7291.263, "text": "T-Mobile CEO makes $35 million a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 7291.423, "end": 7294.249, "text": "The average customer service rep makes $42,000 a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 7295.036, "end": 7297.123, "text": "Nike CEO makes $36 million a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 7297.284, "end": 7300.093, "text": "The average retail store manager makes $60K a year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 7300.96, "end": 7308.651, "text": "If you spent $20,000 every day, it would take you 5 years to spend the Nike CEO's annual earnings.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 7309.165, "end": 7313.789, "text": "That is crazy to think about, spending $20,000 every day for 5 years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 7314.704, "end": 7326.704, "text": "Another beautiful aspect of this ordinance is if a corporation doesn't have— want to pay it, they can just pay their CEO less and their workers more, or have more money to hire more workers, which in turn means more people are thriving overall.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 7327.779, "end": 7338.384, "text": "And if they don't, then they need to chip in to the society that they extract from, because thousands of people in our city are living in tents, cars, shelters, and waiting in long lines for plates of food.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 7339.17, "end": 7353.328, "text": "And since I am often here asking you all to spend money on making sure housing is affordable and safe for everyone who wants it, I would like to ask that you ensure a portion of the funds created from this new tax be spent specifically on increasing affordable homeownership and rental housing in the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 7354.306, "end": 7361.135, "text": "I hear you all discuss the housing crisis on and on, but when it comes to big investments in housing, this council continues to fall short.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 7361.76, "end": 7366.297, "text": "You literally had Housing Bureau funds that you returned to the general fund this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 7366.986, "end": 7372.729, "text": "That is not the kind of intense focus and bold investments that is going to move the needle in the housing crisis.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 7374.046, "end": 7378.67, "text": "We say no kings a lot lately in Portland, but do we really mean it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 7379.489, "end": 7391.515, "text": "By voting yes to the fair share tax, this city council can show us that you stand with working people and small business owners, and that you do not want to be ruled by the kings and queens of corporate royalty.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 7392.415, "end": 7394.068, "text": "Thanks for your time, and do the right thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 7394.197, "end": 7394.486, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 7396.138, "end": 7399.455, "text": "It's you, Barnaby.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 7400.273, "end": 7402.067, "text": "Uh, good morning, Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 7402.356, "end": 7404.503, "text": "My name is Barnaby Ruiz.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 7405.977, "end": 7408.621, "text": "Uh, first of all, I want to thank you for listening to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 7409.807, "end": 7440.716, "text": "Um, 9 years ago, almost 10, I moved to Northeast Portland, and I'm a person with visual impairment, which means that I'm blind, and, uh, The reason I'm talking in favor of this proposal is because I would like to see some of that money invest in public infrastructure and transportation instead of those CEOs and corporations' pockets.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 7441.214, "end": 7448.909, "text": "Through those 9 years, I've been catching the bus on the corner of MLK, Martin Luther King, and Failing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 7449.879, "end": 7453.864, "text": "And in the beginning, the bus just comes every 10, every 15 minutes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 7454.861, "end": 7466.412, "text": "And now it comes every 20 minutes, sometimes every 30 minutes, which makes sometimes impossible to get to our appointments or to our jobs on time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 7469.362, "end": 7484.767, "text": "And the building I lived on has no wheelchair access, which means that being blind, I can live there, but A person with wheelchair is not— there is not allowed, but it's impossible for them to live in that building.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 7486.2, "end": 7494.587, "text": "The sidewalks doesn't have— they do not have ramps for wheelchairs to get around.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 7496.556, "end": 7502.751, "text": "On top of that, they are— they got cracks because of time, and sometimes I trip on those cracks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 7502.848, "end": 7503.332, "text": "That's how I know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 7503.494, "end": 7503.623, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 7505.474, "end": 7509.602, "text": "Some of my friends live in the streets.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 7509.65, "end": 7510.55, "text": "They are homeless.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 7510.598, "end": 7511.738, "text": "They are not as fortunate as me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 7511.803, "end": 7513.425, "text": "They don't have a place to live.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 7514.132, "end": 7519.4, "text": "And because of that, I would like to see some of that money as well invest in housing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 7520.396, "end": 7528.668, "text": "And because one of my friends in particular just got housed last week after 4 and a half years living in the streets.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 7529.31, "end": 7529.519, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 7530.58, "end": 7536.235, "text": "A lot of them are not as fortunate as him as me, you know, and I would like to see some of that money invested in that too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 7536.284, "end": 7542.695, "text": "And on top of that, I lost my favorite taco cart because they can't afford to rent in there anymore, you know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 7542.807, "end": 7548.752, "text": "And I'm Mexican and I love Mexican food, and now I have to go away, too far away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 7548.816, "end": 7555.291, "text": "But at least there's a list of the problems I would like, and I encourage you guys to support this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 7555.34, "end": 7555.548, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 7557.07, "end": 7568.439, "text": "Proposal today for we to see better infrastructure, better transportation, and overall a better living for the people of Portland that I love so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 7575.552, "end": 7576.406, "text": "Thank you, councilors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 7577.487, "end": 7578.567, "text": "My name is Esther Leone.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 7578.615, "end": 7582.017, "text": "I live in the Brooklyn neighborhood where our local business scene is struggling.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 7582.807, "end": 7594.845, "text": "Currently, I am running for a seat on City Council, and in that journey, I've been hearing directly from Portland's small business— small business owners about the extremely tight margins they are working with.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 7595.647, "end": 7600.382, "text": "Many break even just enough to keep their doors open, but never enough to take a day off.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 7601.2, "end": 7607.925, "text": "We are living through the most egregious wealth inequality since the years leading up to the Civil War.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 7608.743, "end": 7614.511, "text": "With 1% of our national population owning more wealth than 90% of us combined.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 7615.297, "end": 7617.219, "text": "This is not a result of merit.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 7618.357, "end": 7627.539, "text": "It is not the result of hard work on the part of the rich, nor is it a result of poor work ethic on behalf of the rest of us.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 7628.709, "end": 7642.762, "text": "It is a manufactured state directly enabled by government leaders who provided tax break after subsidy after loan forgiveness after bailout to mega corporations funding their campaigns.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 7644.14, "end": 7654.011, "text": "Last month, Fortune magazine reported that Amazon's workers receiving food stamps have tripled since 2020 despite record revenue.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 7654.652, "end": 7661.125, "text": "Uber and Lyft continue to raise rideshare costs without providing their employees benefits.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 7662.191, "end": 7668.529, "text": "Starbucks continues its union-busting efforts while capitalizing off of Pacific Northwest pride.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 7670.53, "end": 7679.057, "text": "Companies like these have clearly demonstrated that they in fact have no intention to reinvest consumer dollars back into the pockets of the working class.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 7680.385, "end": 7687.265, "text": "It's time to stop being afraid of what they will do if we rise up and instead make them pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 7688.64, "end": 7696.781, "text": "The beauty of this amendment is that it only targets companies whose CEOs are making 50 times or more than their median paid worker.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 7696.909, "end": 7703.589, "text": "And for once, the folks I know are pouring their heart and soul into our community get a well-deserved break.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 7704.954, "end": 7709.449, "text": "My neighbors remember a time when all you could find in Portland were mom-and-pop shops.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 7710.477, "end": 7712.709, "text": "It's how Keep Portland Weird was born.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 7714.171, "end": 7723.265, "text": "We have a moral obligation to reverse the pathological wealth hoarding that is literally putting Portlanders out of house and home.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 7724.229, "end": 7732.343, "text": "This tax would not only change the lives of 18,000 small business owners, but it would revitalize every neighborhood in the city we love.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 7733.467, "end": 7735.781, "text": "I urge you to pass the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 7736.584, "end": 7742.418, "text": "Your vote on this amendment sends a clear signal of whose interests you are truly working for.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 7743.27, "end": 7747.177, "text": "I sincerely hope it is for the overwhelming majority of Portlanders.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 7747.66, "end": 7749.432, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 7753.235, "end": 7754.396, "text": "Hello, city councilors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 7754.46, "end": 7755.153, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 7755.524, "end": 7765.975, "text": "My name is Lauren Armony, and I have the privilege of being here because I work with Welcome Home, but I was born in D4, raised in D3, and have lived in D2 and D1.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 7766.691, "end": 7771.509, "text": "I love Portland, and that's why I'm urging you to vote yes to move forward with the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 7772.818, "end": 7777.002, "text": "I'm so glad to hear other folks bring up right-sizing and coffee people because that's what came up for me too.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 7779.216, "end": 7788.103, "text": "And I'm so glad that other people brought up a lot of great facts because then I can just talk about me and my friends and my neighbors, right?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 7788.249, "end": 7797.612, "text": "So right-sizing is usually used to rationalize the trimming and cutting and gutting of our social and public services.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 7797.965, "end": 7806.592, "text": "But you all have the opportunity to right-size a policy to increase local funding and resources.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 7807.345, "end": 7808.131, "text": "That's incredible.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 7808.291, "end": 7811.322, "text": "How often has that happened in the last couple years?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 7812.22, "end": 7822.944, "text": "Uh, I've testified in front of you before to share what it was like to grow up here and how it has felt to be priced passed out and homeless in your hometown.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 7823.361, "end": 7827.832, "text": "Where I've said I have to choose between retirement, having a child, or owning home.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 7828.248, "end": 7831.87, "text": "And you can add owning a small business, starting a small business to that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 7832.911, "end": 7835.715, "text": "I grew up around the corner from the Coffee People on Hawthorne.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 7835.875, "end": 7837.173, "text": "Shout out, if you know, you know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 7837.782, "end": 7843.455, "text": "And back in the day, they would put gummy bears for free on the, the hot cocoa lids for little kids.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 7843.567, "end": 7846.627, "text": "So I would go there and be like, I'm getting my gummy bears, I'm getting my hot cocoa.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 7847.173, "end": 7850.4, "text": "We're going to Kids at Heart across the street.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 7850.929, "end": 7857.544, "text": "And I cannot tell you how much my young life was filled with so much simple joy and magic just from being able to do that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 7857.608, "end": 7858.956, "text": "We didn't even buy stuff at Kids at Heart.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 7859.037, "end": 7859.518, "text": "Let's be real.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 7859.679, "end": 7860.706, "text": "We were still working class.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 7861.541, "end": 7867.288, "text": "And although there are still plenty of small businesses on Hawthorne, not many of them actually serve children.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 7867.545, "end": 7873.469, "text": "And if they do, their margins are far too slim to put those gummy bears on the hot cocoa lids.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 7875.445, "end": 7887.284, "text": "Small business owners are actually really busy donating to nonprofits like Welcome Home Coalition, filling service and kindness gaps to people in our city.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 7887.879, "end": 7889.453, "text": "And yes, keeping Portland weird.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 7890.931, "end": 7892.152, "text": "This is not a panacea.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 7892.2, "end": 7896.023, "text": "I'm not naive, but it's an easy step in the right direction.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 7896.376, "end": 7900.778, "text": "And although $900 doesn't sound like a lot, it can still buy a lot of gummy bears and a lot of hugs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 7900.842, "end": 7901.019, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 7901.518, "end": 7902.709, "text": "Even in this economy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 7904.029, "end": 7906.685, "text": "So thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 7906.766, "end": 7911.58, "text": "Please make the common sense choice to vote yes to pass on the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 7911.983, "end": 7912.322, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 7917.543, "end": 7926.217, "text": "Amy Thomas, Chris Gustafson, Devin Ruiz, Kalen Channing, Noah Bernstein Hanley.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 7933.148, "end": 7933.775, "text": "Rowan Harvey.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 7939.817, "end": 7941.006, "text": "Good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 7941.263, "end": 7943.835, "text": "Uh, my name is Christopher Gustafson.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 7944.419, "end": 7946.089, "text": "I live in District 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 7946.527, "end": 7956.513, "text": "I am a— the treasurer of the City of Portland Professional Workers Union, and today I have the pleasure of addressing you as a representative of thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 7956.593, "end": 7959.88, "text": "I'm going to speak on behalf of my union rather than a private individual, as I usually do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 7960.425, "end": 7968.376, "text": "I would urge you all to support the amendment to the fair share tax for 3 specific reasons.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 7968.921, "end": 7981.793, "text": "One, this is a progressive tax policy that acknowledges the excessive CEO compensation and the extractive nature of the large corporations that operate in the city of Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 7987.612, "end": 7991.965, "text": "Local economy, and particularly for those businesses that are run by owner-operators.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 7992.029, "end": 8007.177, "text": "This is a great way to incentivize those folks to continue to operate those businesses and to keep that labor value that is earned within the City of Portland as opposed to being extracted and hoarded by wealthy shareholders.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 8008.012, "end": 8015.529, "text": "Third, we urge you to support this because this directly affects my membership, the City of Portland Workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 8016.363, "end": 8025.308, "text": "We are everyday Portlanders, and we provide those essential services that the city, the citizens of the city of Portland rely on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 8025.966, "end": 8041.419, "text": "And it would be thrilling if we could avoid having a third year in a row, this being the second year in a row where we are currently undergoing a strike authorization vote to ask for fair compensation for our members so that they can live and thrive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 8041.5, "end": 8045.177, "text": "Thrive in the city they support, they live in and work for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 8046.414, "end": 8068.255, "text": "And finally, I really appreciate one of the earlier speakers mentioning something that has been high on my mind, and that is that with any luck, we can avoid a repeat of what happened in the spring TAO where we took $8.6 million of money that was programmed for affordable rental housing to fill a general fund gap.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 8068.747, "end": 8077.969, "text": "So thank you very much for the opportunity, and I urge you to support this amendment to the ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 8078.05, "end": 8078.713, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 8084.528, "end": 8085.076, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 8085.238, "end": 8085.883, "text": "Thank you, Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 8086.771, "end": 8088.029, "text": "My name is Noah Bernstein.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 8088.32, "end": 8095.792, "text": "Some of you may recognize my name as a member of the Financial Stabilization and Recovery Workgroup, co-led by Councilors Green and Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 8096.637, "end": 8102.188, "text": "Others may know me as your friendly D2 bagel guy heading up Bernstein's Bagels on North Russell Street.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 8102.686, "end": 8112.119, "text": "I'm also a working musician, resident of District 2, stepfather to a rad 22-year-old Portlander, and I'm here today to give my emphatic support for the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 8113.178, "end": 8121.745, "text": "In the Financial Stabilization Workgroup, we talked about how roughly 80% of the general fund comes from property taxes and the business license tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 8122.402, "end": 8126.06, "text": "A full third of the discretionary budget comes from business license taxes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 8126.653, "end": 8133.278, "text": "Property taxes are capped by Measures 5 and 50, something that many here see as a political nonstarter to amend.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 8134.048, "end": 8149.319, "text": "So I think if you're against the proposed CEO pay ratio surtax, you need to ask yourselves if you're really going to fund Portland's financial recovery by grinding down small businesses and the working class, or are you just hoping for mega corporations to become more ubiquitous and profitable?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 8149.383, "end": 8149.495, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 8149.834, "end": 8153.278, "text": "And working class be damned, because we can't keep cutting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 8153.86, "end": 8158.338, "text": "We're talking about closing 14 schools, and I think that's utterly shameful as a society.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 8159.114, "end": 8164.926, "text": "At a certain point, we need to find more money to put into the budget, and I think every single person in this room knows where the money is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 8166.454, "end": 8172.309, "text": "Portland prides itself on being a small business town, and I'm sure all of you champion us when talking to your constituents.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 8173.28, "end": 8178.059, "text": "We are 94% of all Portland businesses and employ 35% of the workforce.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 8178.438, "end": 8181.354, "text": "Our street-level shops are the literal face of the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 8181.946, "end": 8186.48, "text": "We are also the front line when Portland pulls back core services for our houseless neighbors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 8187.313, "end": 8190.838, "text": "My employees and I give out free bagels and coffee every day to folks in need.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 8191.479, "end": 8196.397, "text": "We're a place to warm up and get out of the rain, use the bathroom without needing to purchase anything.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 8196.845, "end": 8200.242, "text": "We are trash service and street cleaning, crisis response.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 8201.635, "end": 8209.389, "text": "Amazon just moved into a flex warehouse next door to our shop and didn't provide bathrooms for their employees, so delivery drivers come and use ours.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 8210.705, "end": 8217.692, "text": "I don't ask for anything or get anything in return for all of this, but today I'm asking for the huge corporations doing business in Portland to pay their share.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 8218.318, "end": 8223.939, "text": "Giant corporations are enjoying a raft of tax breaks at the federal level while our local funding dries up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 8224.132, "end": 8230.733, "text": "CEO pay packages skyrocket and average workers' wages are stagnant in the middle of a citywide economic crisis.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 8231.568, "end": 8235.728, "text": "The consolidation and mergers at the top have annihilated any chance of competition.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 8236.338, "end": 8236.851, "text": "It's time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 8238.006, "end": 8239.978, "text": "You all didn't get elected to get reelected.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 8240.491, "end": 8244.485, "text": "You're here to do the hard thing, which I think sounds pretty easy, and tax the rich.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 8245.447, "end": 8250.482, "text": "Yes to the CEO pay ratio surtax, and yes to the BLT exemptions for small businesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 8251.3, "end": 8257.908, "text": "It's a small but important first step that City Council can make to show you're actually on the side of small businesses and the people of Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 8258.533, "end": 8261.532, "text": "I thank Councilors Green and Murillo for putting forth this proposal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 8261.58, "end": 8261.724, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 8262.323, "end": 8262.837, "text": "Thanks for your time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 8267.49, "end": 8268.778, "text": "Hi, my name is Kaylin Channing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 8268.971, "end": 8273.369, "text": "I use she/her pronouns, and I'm here to ask the council to vote yes on the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 8274.142, "end": 8281.837, "text": "I'm a resident of District 4, and like the majority of Multnomah County residents, I've chosen to make the proud state of Oregon my home after being born elsewhere.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 8282.306, "end": 8289.113, "text": "In my case, I moved to Portland from my home state of Louisiana last year to take a job as an ICU nurse at Providence, St. Vincent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 8289.932, "end": 8295.164, "text": "Since moving, I've enjoyed higher wages and a higher quality of life than I could have ever found back in Louisiana.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 8296.047, "end": 8302.677, "text": "I bring all this up because for my entire life, Louisiana has had some of the most generous corporate tax subsidies in the country.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 8303.03, "end": 8312.869, "text": "Louisiana has slashed corporate taxes more than Oregon, has cut government services more than Oregon, and has shifted the tax burden to consumers with high sales taxes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 8313.608, "end": 8315.855, "text": "And surely Louisiana's economy is thriving, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 8316.819, "end": 8317.011, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 8317.461, "end": 8322.023, "text": "Over my lifetime, Louisiana, like Oregon, has outpaced the national average in GDP growth.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 8322.761, "end": 8336.96, "text": "But while Oregon has also outpaced the average in GDP growth, they have also increased— outpaced the average in worker productivity growth, per capita personal income growth, and wage growth for our lowest paid workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 8337.779, "end": 8340.895, "text": "Louisiana has ranked near the bottom in all 3 categories.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 8341.248, "end": 8346.547, "text": "Wages are low, Corporate profits are high, and small businesses in Louisiana struggle to compete.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 8347.189, "end": 8361.528, "text": "That's why young college-educated professionals like myself, and frankly most of the nurses I've worked with here, have fled failing states like Louisiana in droves for progressive, productive cities that are willing to stand up for their workers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 8362.186, "end": 8367.308, "text": "So I will conclude by inviting the members of the council to vote yes on the fair share tax ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 8367.821, "end": 8370.005, "text": "To learn from the lesson of my home state.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 8370.567, "end": 8374.147, "text": "And I'll also finish with a warning to any councilors who are reluctant to do so.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 8375.127, "end": 8383.155, "text": "This is an election year, and across the country, voters are turning out in record numbers for candidates running on platforms of taxing the rich.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 8383.653, "end": 8385.451, "text": "It is not just Zohran Mamdani.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 8385.901, "end": 8387.362, "text": "It is Troy Jackson in Maine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 8387.41, "end": 8389.193, "text": "It is Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 8389.241, "end": 8392.869, "text": "It is James Talarico in Texas and Josh Tuurek in Iowa.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 8393.496, "end": 8397.648, "text": "Purple and red states and blue states alike, the writing is on the wall.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 8398.081, "end": 8403.146, "text": "Americans are demanding that our leaders tell wealthy corporations to pay their fair share.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 8403.835, "end": 8413.533, "text": "Voters are turning out for those electeds who have the courage to rise to the moment, and we're tossing out electeds who would rather protect large corporations than their working-class constituents.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 8414.414, "end": 8420.377, "text": "I'm pleased that one of my District 4 councilors, Councilor Green, has already expressed support for this measure.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 8421.01, "end": 8426.619, "text": "And I hope my other councilors, Councilors Clark and Zimmerman, as well as the rest of the council, will do the same.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 8427.642, "end": 8433.119, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 8433.586, "end": 8434.698, "text": "Okay, good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 8434.875, "end": 8436.067, "text": "My name is Rowan Harvey.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 8436.244, "end": 8444.197, "text": "I'm a District 3 resident and organizer with NextUp Action Fund, a political home for young people, and I'm here in support of the fair share tax ordinance.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 8445.598, "end": 8447.914, "text": "I was born at St. Vincent's, actually.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 8448.652, "end": 8450.336, "text": "I've lived here my whole life.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 8451.62, "end": 8454.491, "text": "I have watched the city change a lot, as a lot of us have.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 8455.149, "end": 8460.507, "text": "And as working young people struggle to get out of the ruthless check-to-check cycle, CEOs are raking it in.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 8460.78, "end": 8474.787, "text": "While young people are deciding between food and rent, and parents are worried about what their kids are going to eat at school or if their school will even be open, billionaires are artificially inflating the price prices of our groceries and gas to make more money.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 8475.622, "end": 8476.505, "text": "I want more for us.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 8476.81, "end": 8482.413, "text": "I want more funding for our schools, for our transportation and infrastructure, for PSR, for the services that take care of us.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 8482.927, "end": 8485.191, "text": "Updating the fair share tax helps us get there.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 8486.058, "end": 8508.74, "text": "I recognize that today is just the first step, but it's one that gives us the opportunity to learn how we can not only decrease the tax burden on our small businesses, which could in turn encourage more young entrepreneurs to start their business, something I've heard councilors on the dais express grave concern over, but also increase a revenue source for public services we depend on without further burdening working Portlanders.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 8509.655, "end": 8512.11, "text": "Yet we have councilors calling for oppositional testimony.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 8512.624, "end": 8514.196, "text": "What exactly is there to oppose?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 8515.352, "end": 8519.524, "text": "Taxing corporations and CEOs while giving small businesses a tax break?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 8520.246, "end": 8525.301, "text": "Is it funding our budget without passing the cost on to Portlanders only to shrug and say sorry, this is the only way?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 8526.087, "end": 8533.041, "text": "Opposition to no longer doing the dirty work of the wealthy and their lobbyists by repeating the falsehood that they will leave if we tax them?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 8533.57, "end": 8538.602, "text": "Or is it the opposition to Portland leading the way on an issue that has bipartisan support nationally?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 8539.564, "end": 8540.06, "text": "That's weird.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 8540.91, "end": 8550.909, "text": "For too long, millionaires and billionaires have benefited from the myth of their extraordinary individualism, making them more deserving of every dollar low-wage workers earn for them.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 8557.953, "end": 8558.809, "text": "Devin's online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 8559.164, "end": 8561.52, "text": "Devin, you can go ahead.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 8562.553, "end": 8563.295, "text": "Good morning, Council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 8563.36, "end": 8564.344, "text": "My name is Devin Ruiz.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 8564.489, "end": 8566.894, "text": "I live in D2, and I'm a registered lobbyist for NextUp.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 8567.61, "end": 8574.369, "text": "We are a nonprofit organization that works to amplify the voice and leadership of diverse young people to achieve a more just and equitable Oregon.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 8575.143, "end": 8584.047, "text": "Nearly every time I've stood before this Council, it has been to plead with each of you To consider the affordability crisis that young people are facing as they build their lives in Portland.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 8584.592, "end": 8589.129, "text": "We are at a point where it's considered a splurge if people go out for dinner or have a night out with friends.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 8589.706, "end": 8594.707, "text": "There are so many societal impacts that come from reducing your life to working, sleeping, and repeating.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 8595.316, "end": 8599.467, "text": "When young people don't have money to spend, that cuts off support for our local economy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 8599.98, "end": 8605.719, "text": "And today, before council, we have a simple solution that benefits workers, small businesses, and the local Portland economy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 8605.767, "end": 8605.959, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 8607.018, "end": 8612.935, "text": "Young and working-class Portlanders are already consistently asking for safety nets and investments in this city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 8613.545, "end": 8624.097, "text": "I see no reason why councilors elected by Portlanders should be more concerned with the pockets and wealth concentration of CEOs and billionaires instead of supporting the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 8624.675, "end": 8638.522, "text": "The fair share tax will support small businesses, bring more revenue to the general fund, and will act as a motivator for companies to reconcile that gross disparity between CEO pay and median wage, something that disproportionately impacts young workers.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 8639.197, "end": 8649.65, "text": "If this council gives in to fearmongering to rally people against taxing those with the most ability to pay, I'm afraid of what our city will lose as we step into the 2027 budget session and beyond.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 8650.099, "end": 8657.068, "text": "We have a revenue problem because we refuse to look at how we can target corporations that are the biggest drivers of inequality.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 8657.742, "end": 8662.074, "text": "New business openings have declined for decades nationally and in Portland.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 8662.475, "end": 8676.32, "text": "And while the growth wealth disparity of CEOs has exponentially grown, it is insulting to ask small businesses and median wage workers to accept this reality so that corporate lobbyists can use our elected council as pawns for wealth hoarding.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 8676.817, "end": 8686.269, "text": "The best interest of Portlanders is being pushed aside as we watch councilors call for opposition testimony to a policy that only benefits people who live, work, and build in our city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 8686.847, "end": 8699.114, "text": "While people in Portland and across the country are paying more for gas and groceries than ever before, corporations like Shell reported their profits more than doubled to $8.9 billion— sorry, $9.8 billion.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 8699.772, "end": 8702.486, "text": "Those profits are not reaching the consumers or workers.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 8703, "end": 8708.877, "text": "Wages are lower than ever, clearly showing that when you lower corporate taxes, it only benefits the people at top.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 8709.568, "end": 8713.014, "text": "We urge Portland City Council to unanimously support the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 8713.449, "end": 8721.573, "text": "This policy has existed for over a decade, and we are far beyond the time of a needed adjustment that speaks to how wealth disparity has grown in that time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 8722.092, "end": 8726.23, "text": "It's time for the city to work for Portlanders, not lobbyists and corporations.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 8726.668, "end": 8730.804, "text": "Thank you for your time, and thank you for allowing the people to use our full testimony time today.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 8733.783, "end": 8734.728, "text": "Irina Solomon.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 8735.682, "end": 8746.559, "text": "Sherry Jamison, Jordan Lewis, Carrie Koch, Joe Squires, Lorena Mora, and Francesca Barini.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 8747.603, "end": 8749.154, "text": "And you can go ahead at the table when you're seated.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 8754.01, "end": 8754.897, "text": "Good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 8755.639, "end": 8761.045, "text": "My name is Sherry Jamison, and I'm the co-chair of Music Oregon's Music Advocacy Council.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 8761.764, "end": 8762.487, "text": "Here in Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 8763.371, "end": 8772.365, "text": "I'm here on behalf of the hundreds of musicians and music industry workers who live and work in our city and who are constituents in every district.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 8773.254, "end": 8782.793, "text": "I'm also a former music venue operator at a venue based in Northeast Portland, so I understand firsthand the challenges that small music businesses face.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 8785.641, "end": 8793.958, "text": "I'm speaking in support of the fair share tax because music Uh, the music economy here in Portland depends on small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 8794.584, "end": 8808.612, "text": "Our music ecosystem includes independent venues, recording studios, rehearsal spaces, ticketing companies, sound engineers, recording record stores, labels, managers, booking agents, touring bands, and many other small operators.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 8809.271, "end": 8818.184, "text": "These businesses often work with narrow margins while facing rising rents, insurance, labor, equipment, and operating costs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 8819.002, "end": 8824.216, "text": "And these businesses have economic impact that extends well beyond the music industry itself.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 8824.617, "end": 8830.071, "text": "They bring people into our neighborhoods where they spend money at other local businesses too.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 8831.419, "end": 8837.001, "text": "Raising the business license tax exemption would provide meaningful relief to many of them.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 8837.996, "end": 8846.641, "text": "I understand the city estimates the average savings of $900 and for a small venue or studio, that is not insignificant.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 8847.154, "end": 8853.633, "text": "That could cover a month of utilities, pay for an equipment repair, or cover several shifts of a part-time worker.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 8855.077, "end": 8856.744, "text": "And the benefit isn't just money.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 8857.097, "end": 8863.673, "text": "It also means less paperwork and compliance time for owners who are already wearing many, many hats all at once.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 8864.699, "end": 8867.217, "text": "That gives them more capacity to focus on running their business.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 8867.265, "end": 8867.377, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 8868.579, "end": 8874.461, "text": "Supporting Portland's music economy also means investing in city infrastructure that makes that economy possible.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 8875.038, "end": 8889.253, "text": "Musicians, venue, and music workers depend on safe and accessible public spaces, reliable transportation, public safety, and the other services that allow people to live, work, gather, and participate in cultural life.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 8890.342, "end": 8892.378, "text": "Our audiences depend on these services too.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 8893.387, "end": 8902.825, "text": "The fair share tax would help maintain and strengthen that foundation by asking more from the largest corporations while providing relief to small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 8903.979, "end": 8909.41, "text": "The resulting revenue can support the public investment that Portland's creative economy relies on every day.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 8910.243, "end": 8915.963, "text": "So when we talk about sustaining music in Portland, we should think beyond grants and beyond cultural programs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 8916.396, "end": 8922.82, "text": "We should also support the small businesses that make that music possible and the public systems that allow them to thrive.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 8923.285, "end": 8930.488, "text": "For these reasons and more, Music Oregon's Music Advocacy Council supports the fair share tax and I encourage the council to pass it.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 8930.845, "end": 8932.045, "text": "Thank you for your time and consideration.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 8935.724, "end": 8940.691, "text": "Good morning, I'm Irena Solomon and I've lived in District 2 since 2007.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 8940.982, "end": 8946.223, "text": "I've done small business taxes since 2008 and I support the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 8947.172, "end": 8948.361, "text": "Um, I love taxes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 8948.473, "end": 8954.357, "text": "Literally, my, my new manicure, if you can see, says 1040 on this hand and 1120-S on the other hand.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 8954.476, "end": 8970.309, "text": "So, um, I love helping small business tax owners navigate the potentially complex maze of tax compliance, which is a good thing because, fun fact, Portland has one of the most complex tax business compliance landscapes in the country.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 8971.255, "end": 8980.848, "text": "Even the smallest business here can owe up to 8 different taxes, which jumps to 14 for an S corp, paid to up to 7 to 9 different taxing authorities.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 8981.431, "end": 8984.514, "text": "Using at least 4 different definitions of taxable income.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 8986.35, "end": 8989.509, "text": "For a large company with a full-service accounting firm, that's an annoyance.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 8989.946, "end": 8995.017, "text": "But for the micro businesses that I serve, many with low incomes, it's an unfair burden.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 8995.71, "end": 8997.084, "text": "And mistakes are expensive.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 8998.264, "end": 9002.613, "text": "If I pay my business license tax 4 months late, the penalty is 25%.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 9004.052, "end": 9006.586, "text": "For the same late payment, the IRS will charge me 2%.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 9008.274, "end": 9009.893, "text": "Okay, so who actually pays this?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 9010.438, "end": 9014.174, "text": "Because I'm a nerd, I pulled the most recent year's numbers from my own practice.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 9014.767, "end": 9020.442, "text": "My clients average $160,000 in annual income, but about a third are under $90,000.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 9021.259, "end": 9029.612, "text": "About half of my clients in Multnomah County had business income, and of those people, a little less than half had to pay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 9030.782, "end": 9038.462, "text": "Of my clients that owed this tax, Half of them were under 120% of the median family income for their family size.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 9039.746, "end": 9048.215, "text": "A third of them were under 80% of the median family income, and 1 in 10 was under 200% of the federal poverty level.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 9049.9, "end": 9050.382, "text": "That's—.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 9050.414, "end": 9055.595, "text": "That means they're living on $32,000 for 1 person, less than $43,000 for 2.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 9056.77, "end": 9065.747, "text": "This proposal and its increase of the exemption amount will make a huge difference to the smallest businesses trying to survive, thrive, grow, and support families.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 9066.34, "end": 9069.945, "text": "One case study I'd like to share with you is myself.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 9070.426, "end": 9073.262, "text": "I'm a single parent to my 2 kids who are here with me today.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 9074.176, "end": 9087.171, "text": "For the year cited above, my own income was just about 100% of the median family income for my household size, and my business license tax in that year was almost 1.5% of that income.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 9088.548, "end": 9092.377, "text": "But at least I didn't have to worry about paying a tax pro to help me figure it out.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 9093.632, "end": 9101.321, "text": "Raising the exemption helps with the actual tax paid, of course, but it also helps to greatly simplify the compliance burden for those who can least afford it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 9102.181, "end": 9104.046, "text": "I urge you to support the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 9104.127, "end": 9105.295, "text": "Thank you so much for your time today.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 9108.56, "end": 9109.143, "text": "That was so good.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 9109.71, "end": 9114.637, "text": "Um, my name is Carrie Ko, president of the City of Portland Professional Workers Union.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 9114.734, "end": 9117.517, "text": "We represent 800 workers all across the city of Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 9117.95, "end": 9119.105, "text": "And I will keep it very simple.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 9119.154, "end": 9120.919, "text": "You've heard incredible testimony today.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 9121.481, "end": 9129.248, "text": "Um, everybody on this council talks about themselves as a progressive representative of the city of Portland and of the people of Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 9129.746, "end": 9133.517, "text": "And now this is, uh, the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 9133.694, "end": 9136.791, "text": "You have an opportunity to back up those words with meaningful action.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 9137.69, "end": 9141.541, "text": "The top shareholders and the CEOs of these corporations are not your constituents.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 9142.023, "end": 9143.74, "text": "The Portlanders who work for them are.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 9144.431, "end": 9152.009, "text": "Um, but beyond that, you have a responsibility to figure out stable revenue for this city so that the City of Portland can be a model employer too.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 9152.876, "end": 9154.963, "text": "And this isn't a silver bullet, but it's a good start.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 9155.509, "end": 9175.113, "text": "Um, my union, the City of Portland Professional Workers Union, is supporting the fair share tax because it makes sense that corporations— that if corporations are going to siphon money out of their workers' pockets to put that money into the top person Um, otherwise, the workers who otherwise would go out into our communities and spend that money, that the—.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 9175.29, "end": 9179.08, "text": "That we need to figure out a way for them to pay their fair share in a different way.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 9179.867, "end": 9188.041, "text": "So whether you're a worker at a mega corporation or a worker here at the City of Portland, you deserve fair compensation, respect on the job, and a stable future.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 9188.426, "end": 9189.582, "text": "That's what we're fighting for.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 9190.032, "end": 9192.088, "text": "That's what we're fighting for in our contract right now.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 9192.698, "end": 9200.112, "text": "That is why we launched our strike authorization vote today, and that's why I am I'm speaking here today to encourage you to pass the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 9200.321, "end": 9200.643, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 9204.106, "end": 9204.815, "text": "Hey, good morning everybody.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 9205.089, "end": 9205.943, "text": "I'm Joe Squires.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 9206.04, "end": 9209.546, "text": "I'm, uh, uh, District 2, the fighting, the fighting 2.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 9209.95, "end": 9214.101, "text": "Uh, I'm born and raised here in Portland other than a stint in the nuclear Navy when I was young.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 9214.842, "end": 9219.401, "text": "And, uh, I'm a business owner, have been for 20 years, and I came here to talk about that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 9220.216, "end": 9226.115, "text": "Uh, from afar, I mean, you know, as a business owner, our, our, our beloved city has a tax problem, has a revenue problem.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 9226.856, "end": 9232.561, "text": "As mentioned before, 75% of our revenue comes from property tax and from business tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 9233.122, "end": 9253.311, "text": "John Batitis, the Multnomah County appraiser, came in and spoke last October and warned of double-digit property tax compression since COVID that's 5 or 6 years in a row of double-digit revenue decreases that comprises about 45% of the overall $800 million budget.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 9254.07, "end": 9259.353, "text": "If somebody told me I was having that kind of problem, I would definitely put my thumb on the pulse of that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 9261.332, "end": 9268.045, "text": "And then you're talking about the same thing, about 35— 25-30% of your revenue comes from the business tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 9268.432, "end": 9272.942, "text": "Well, I'm pretty sure all of us have walked by a vacancy sign on our way to the meeting today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 9274.212, "end": 9278.955, "text": "Vacant storefronts and empty buildings do not bode well for business tax.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 9279.526, "end": 9285.811, "text": "And they don't bode well for compression in property tax, i.e., we are hemorrhaging budget top-line revenue.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 9287.221, "end": 9288.215, "text": "Steve, you asleep?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 9288.264, "end": 9288.648, "text": "You doing good?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 9289.482, "end": 9289.642, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 9289.819, "end": 9291.261, "text": "Sorry, I just saw you drifting off there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 9292.047, "end": 9295.542, "text": "Don't use your left hand to hold that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 9295.814, "end": 9297.69, "text": "So, I mean, there's a problem and that's not being addressed.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 9297.962, "end": 9304.391, "text": "We have a revenue problem, but I don't think taxing businesses, making Portland additionally not business-friendly, is the solution.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 9304.455, "end": 9304.567, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 9309.272, "end": 9314.121, "text": "I looked up really quick what businesses would be affected by this, and it's just a pretty cursory search.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 9314.169, "end": 9319.018, "text": "I mean, PG has been mentioned, Northwest Natural has been mentioned, AT&T, Comcast.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 9320.11, "end": 9326.677, "text": "Sorry, I don't have a PhD in economics, so I'm not sure which one of those, you know, I mean, that's just, you know, listed businesses.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 9327.416, "end": 9329.086, "text": "Gas stations, Target, Home Depot.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 9329.278, "end": 9330.001, "text": "I think that's a pretty good list.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 9330.547, "end": 9339.319, "text": "Uh, Kroger's grocery-wise, it's Kroger's, Subway, or Safeway, Albertsons, Home Depot, Target, Amazon, which is mentioned, what I'm sure was on the list.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 9340.427, "end": 9343.174, "text": "Uh, banking, it's Wells Fargo, it's Comcast.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 9343.833, "end": 9354.356, "text": "If they pass 100% of this tax on to the consumers, which most businesses do, that would equal about a $500 surcharge for a family of 4 in Portland, which kind of—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 9354.404, "end": 9355.706, "text": "Yeah, I can share my math with you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 9355.947, "end": 9356.927, "text": "Sorry, I don't have a PhD either.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 9359.062, "end": 9372.481, "text": "Councilor Green talked about more austerity, and I, you know, as a business owner, if there's a revenue problem, you can either raise prices, you can cut costs, and raising prices, i.e., more taxes, isn't putting Portland out there as very business-friendly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 9373.059, "end": 9374.199, "text": "So I just—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 9374.247, "end": 9374.969, "text": "That's it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 9376.237, "end": 9376.494, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 9376.879, "end": 9377.232, "text": "Go ahead, Jordan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 9378.42, "end": 9379.271, "text": "Hello, City Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 9379.319, "end": 9380.218, "text": "My name is Jordan Lewis.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 9380.732, "end": 9384.953, "text": "I'm a D4 resident and a volunteer lobbyist for the Portland Democratic Socialists of America.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 9385.788, "end": 9391.344, "text": "First, I want to thank Bold Coffee for speaking in support of this policy and for opening a business in the Goose Hollow area.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 9391.809, "end": 9395.727, "text": "I moved there in 2021 and lived among several vacant storefronts for 5 years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 9396.064, "end": 9401.427, "text": "It takes a lot of courage to move into a space, start a business, and that is how our society runs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 9401.925, "end": 9410.419, "text": "It gets us outside of our houses, gets us talking to other human beings, and it keeps money inside our communities rather than crossing state lines, which is the case with large corporations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 9411.157, "end": 9417.441, "text": "I want to stress that in the competition between large publicly traded corporations and local business, it's not a level playing field.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 9418.306, "end": 9423.949, "text": "Large corporations operate on economies of scale and have access to legal and legislative counsel, which local businesses simply do not.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 9424.398, "end": 9433.696, "text": "The proposed policy simply levels the playing field just a little bit so that local businesses, which we prefer, have a fairer chance at competing on the quote-unquote free market.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 9434.273, "end": 9436.389, "text": "Our world and economy is changing fundamentally.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 9436.726, "end": 9446.453, "text": "The pandemic accelerated this, but we're seeing fewer and fewer brick-and-mortar retail operations, and we were well before the pandemic as people made more purchases through apps and on websites.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 9447.239, "end": 9451.621, "text": "If you know me, I joke often that the American economy doesn't really make goods and services anymore.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 9451.733, "end": 9457.174, "text": "We just shuffle money between accounts and fiddle with tech stuff that no one really understands.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 9458.025, "end": 9467.187, "text": "A cornerstone of our economy is artificial intelligence, which is largely fake, and no one wants I actually work in manufacturing, and I joke that our product is, quote, too real for AI.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 9467.475, "end": 9468.149, "text": "But I digress.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 9468.662, "end": 9477.277, "text": "The American economy has become more K-shaped, which means that it consists of high earners who earn and spend all the money and low earners who make or spend very little.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 9477.742, "end": 9480.998, "text": "With this coming age of neo-feudalism, to stand still is not neutral.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 9481.415, "end": 9483.998, "text": "We have to respond to a changing environment just to survive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 9484.158, "end": 9488.891, "text": "And I want to thank Councilor Novick for recognizing this and passing the original CEO pay surtax in 2016.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 9488.955, "end": 9489.051, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 9489.933, "end": 9490.864, "text": "It was the right move.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 9491.297, "end": 9497.713, "text": "Unfortunately, that was on the eve of the first Trump administration, which was a historic stripping of American state capacity for parts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 9498.179, "end": 9500.729, "text": "We suffered that huge wound to our country.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 9501.467, "end": 9506.344, "text": "And then we had a Biden administration that made some modest reforms and efforts in the other direction.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 9506.696, "end": 9508.926, "text": "And then we had a second Trump administration which went even further.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 9509.263, "end": 9513.578, "text": "The time has come to adapt to this new economy, not to ignore it and keep business as usual.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 9513.931, "end": 9516.048, "text": "Vote yes on the expanded CEO pay surtax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 9516.113, "end": 9516.385, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 9516.979, "end": 9523.756, "text": "Finally, I appreciate the testimony which talked about Louisiana and asked whether generous tax rates for corporations resulted in more vibrant economies.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 9524.511, "end": 9527.401, "text": "As a born and raised West Virginian, I can express that same sentiment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 9527.642, "end": 9530.693, "text": "West Virginia has been thoroughly disinvested in and suffering my entire life.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 9531.158, "end": 9533.551, "text": "This has persisted through years of tax cuts for the wealthy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 9533.92, "end": 9535.093, "text": "Storefronts are empty there too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 9535.414, "end": 9536.891, "text": "Services are being cut there too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 9537.517, "end": 9540.087, "text": "What does West Virginia have to show for all those tax cuts?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 9540.97, "end": 9551.493, "text": "And lastly, when someone comes to testify on a turnkey solution for lower taxes, for small businesses while raising revenue from publicly traded companies, and they say Congress should be doing it instead, they're speaking in code.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 9551.767, "end": 9552.865, "text": "Congress will never do this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 9553.139, "end": 9554.139, "text": "Congress won't do anything.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 9554.574, "end": 9555.105, "text": "That's the point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 9555.476, "end": 9559.23, "text": "It's a rhetorical strategy to seem aligned while getting in the way of our supposedly shared goals.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 9559.585, "end": 9560.181, "text": "Don't fall for it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 9561.45, "end": 9562.033, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 9563.101, "end": 9565.075, "text": "Lorena, you can go ahead online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 9566.81, "end": 9568.293, "text": "Good morning, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 9568.374, "end": 9573.275, "text": "My name is Lorena Mora, and I'm the programs and partnership manager at Division Midway Alliance.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 9573.712, "end": 9580.174, "text": "We're a nonprofit organization located in District 1, and I'm here today to share my support for the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 9580.74, "end": 9587.403, "text": "Through my work at Division Midway Alliance, I work closely with small businesses in East Portland and along the division corridor.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 9587.953, "end": 9591.317, "text": "I've seen how important these businesses are to our communities who live there.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 9591.851, "end": 9602.719, "text": "They are not just places where people shop or work, but they are places where people build relationships, access access culturally specific services and goods and feel more connected to their neighborhoods.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 9603.296, "end": 9611.215, "text": "For many small business owners, especially those who are just starting or operating on a small— smaller margins, every expense matters.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 9611.728, "end": 9619.76, "text": "Rising costs, rent, staffing, and other business expenses can make it difficult to keep a business open and continue investing in it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 9620.225, "end": 9631.811, "text": "Exempting 18,000 small businesses from the business license tax would give these small businesses more room to invest in their business, keep their employees, create jobs, and continue serving the community.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 9632.565, "end": 9635.978, "text": "We see this connection through our Workforce Navigator program as well.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 9636.635, "end": 9646.794, "text": "At DMA, we help community members connect to employment opportunities, and many of the local businesses we work with are an important part of that workforce creation ecosystem.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 9647.371, "end": 9656.179, "text": "When small businesses are able to stay open and hire, They create more opportunities for people in our communities to find work and build economic stability.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 9656.773, "end": 9662.424, "text": "Local small businesses reinvest into the local community in a way mega corporations simply do not.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 9663.259, "end": 9676.809, "text": "Asking the largest corporations with CEO-to-worker pay gaps to contribute more, more helps generate revenue for the city services that Portlanders depend on, such as parks, public safety, and other community programs that are important.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 9677.326, "end": 9683.199, "text": "This is about creating a fair system and providing relief where it can make a real difference in the community.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 9683.81, "end": 9688.954, "text": "For these reasons, I strongly support the Fair Share Tax and encourage the committee to support this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 9689.307, "end": 9689.79, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 9692.679, "end": 9693.811, "text": "Francesca's online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 9693.861, "end": 9694.427, "text": "You can go ahead.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 9698.086, "end": 9701.418, "text": "Hi, my name is Francesca Barini, and I live and work in District 2.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 9701.726, "end": 9706.158, "text": "I've been working full-time as an independent art business in Portland for about a decade and a half.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 9706.433, "end": 9707.27, "text": "I want to share a quick quick story.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 9707.8, "end": 9713.125, "text": "16 years ago, I worked for a beloved local corporation then valued at $80 to $100 million.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 9713.622, "end": 9717.664, "text": "This company is still so beloved by most Portlanders that I'm not going to mention it by name.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 9718.273, "end": 9723.358, "text": "I worked directly in the C-suite assisting top executives with day-to-day tasks and crafting basic marketing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 9723.903, "end": 9731.778, "text": "One day, my task of the day was to help the 5 top executives receive lump sum payments of between $14.4 million and $28.8 million.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 9732.307, "end": 9735.595, "text": "At this time, I was making $16 an hour, which was the standard wage there.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 9736.253, "end": 9740.073, "text": "Although this was a manufacturing facility, the production floor was not unionized.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 9740.346, "end": 9744.759, "text": "The CEO would often say that if his workers ever wanted to unionize, it would break his heart.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 9745.16, "end": 9750.873, "text": "My boss would also often say that he thought that unions for public employees, such as teachers unions, were a total scam.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 9751.483, "end": 9758.512, "text": "In fact, the thing that sticks with me the most from this period of employment was the feeling of whiplash I would get from the many small lectures I would get in the office.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 9759.186, "end": 9767.589, "text": "Lectures that would pair the myth of the good, hardworking person with small angry tirades against regulations, taxes, and ordinary labor protections.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 9768.005, "end": 9778.728, "text": "Half of my job was making sure my bosses never had to break a sweat printing a piece of paper, and the other half was managing the public personas of these men so you would never know that their life was any different than yours.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 9779.401, "end": 9790.989, "text": "Outside of massive pay packages, top CEOs have teams of skilled and educated people resolving all the regular life issues while working to hide their personalities from ever being truly known by you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 9791.406, "end": 9798.124, "text": "You cannot depend on the generosity of these top 1% people to provide basic services for people in our city.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 9798.781, "end": 9799.214, "text": "Here's the thing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 9799.294, "end": 9803.959, "text": "If people could still afford food and housing here in the city, this would not be such a big deal.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 9804.408, "end": 9816.288, "text": "In 2010, making $16 an hour, I would stop at New Seasons on my way home from work and buy all the groceries I wanted without looking at the prices or worrying about more than spending— spending more than I had in the bank.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 9816.593, "end": 9820.36, "text": "In 2010, you could still buy a decent house with a salary in the low $30,000s.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 9820.441, "end": 9820.825, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 9821.242, "end": 9822.477, "text": "2026 Is different.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 9822.525, "end": 9827.946, "text": "In the past 5 years, I've had to completely change the nature of my business operations to stay independently employed.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 9828.619, "end": 9832.276, "text": "I have watched large corporations expand and grow richer and thrive.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 9832.789, "end": 9843.261, "text": "I watched Jeff Bezos wear a cowboy hat and rocket into space while his Amazon delivery vans, hey, drive around town tearing up the streets with out-of-state registrations.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 9843.373, "end": 9846.677, "text": "I say goodbye to fellow artists who move away to find cheaper workspaces.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 9847.785, "end": 9855.7, "text": "Despite generous executive pay, the company that I used to work for would not be touched by this new tax today, but thousands of Portlanders' lives would be improved.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 9856.133, "end": 9861.849, "text": "Would you rather see our city filled with thriving independent storefronts or thousands more Amazon delivery vans?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 9862.218, "end": 9865.59, "text": "This fair share tax has my straightforward and wholehearted support.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 9865.927, "end": 9867.099, "text": "The wealth gap is growing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 9867.275, "end": 9871.642, "text": "Let's not miss the chance to support a healthy community and fight inequality together.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 9872.188, "end": 9872.606, "text": "Thanks for your time.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 9872.654, "end": 9872.959, "text": "Councilmember Smith.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 9875.273, "end": 9888.926, "text": "David Blue, Tobias Forsberg, Jim Rice, Margaret Thomas, Kaylee Roll, Ryan Sotomayor, Edith Gillis, Vicki Payne.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 9891.238, "end": 9904.647, "text": "Just to be clear, those are the 8 folks who are left on the testimony that are signed up in person, so we'll be, uh, we'll be making sure we get through at least those and then figuring out the rest based Good afternoon, council members.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 9905.065, "end": 9905.819, "text": "My name is Kaylee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 9906.14, "end": 9915.646, "text": "I'm a tenant in District 4, a registered nurse that works in District 3, a member of Portland DSA, and a very strong supporter of taxing the rich.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 9916.561, "end": 9925.055, "text": "Portland's working people are constantly being asked to tighten our belts while the wealthiest corporations and executives in America are doing the exact opposite.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 9925.936, "end": 9938.384, "text": "Workers are struggling to pay for rent, food, utilities, childcare, healthcare, and patients are getting sicker and sicker while avoiding the care that they need because they cannot afford it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1541", "start": 9939.65, "end": 9947.195, "text": "Meanwhile, corporate executives are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars on the backs of working people that create all that wealth for them.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1542", "start": 9947.9, "end": 9949.919, "text": "This inequality is not an accident.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1543", "start": 9950.543, "end": 9956.759, "text": "It's the result of decades of operating under a rigged system that has allowed wealth to flow upward.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1544", "start": 9957.192, "end": 9970.652, "text": "While workers are told that there simply isn't enough money for the things that our communities need, like fully funded parks and schools, housing, transportation, Portland Street Response, and services that we all benefit from.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1545", "start": 9971.677, "end": 9979.561, "text": "It's way past time to rebalance the scales and help support the working-class people and small businesses of Portland by enacting this fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 9980.346, "end": 9984.402, "text": "I also want to address the idea that corporations will leave Portland if you tax them fairly.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 9985.317, "end": 9988.801, "text": "Businesses don't choose where to operate based on taxes alone.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 9989.411, "end": 9995.239, "text": "They need workers, they need customers, they need infrastructure, suppliers, and thriving communities.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 9995.913, "end": 10004.566, "text": "We should not allow the wealthiest people and largest corporations to hold our community hostage by saying, give us everything we want or we'll leave.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 10005.224, "end": 10016.148, "text": "That's exactly what we witnessed with the Moda Center fiasco that handed hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to billionaire Tom Dundon while our city faces budget shortfalls year after year.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 10017.013, "end": 10019.914, "text": "A nurse can't threaten to move an entire hospital.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 10020.475, "end": 10025.3, "text": "A TriMet driver can't take the city's transit system with them if they go somewhere else.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1553", "start": 10025.989, "end": 10032.592, "text": "Working people are rooted in their communities, and we deserve a city government that is equally rooted right here with us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1554", "start": 10034.067, "end": 10050.434, "text": "This is your opportunity to show the people of Portland that you are committed to our city that you are ready to address the austerity crisis created by billionaires head-on, and that you care deeply about generating revenue to fund dignified lives for all of us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1555", "start": 10051.205, "end": 10053.358, "text": "Please support this fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1556", "start": 10053.679, "end": 10053.952, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1557", "start": 10056.748, "end": 10057.295, "text": "I think so.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1558", "start": 10060.198, "end": 10060.672, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1559", "start": 10061.507, "end": 10063.357, "text": "Um, my name is Margaret Thomas.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1560", "start": 10063.963, "end": 10065.429, "text": "I live in District 4.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1561", "start": 10066.439, "end": 10070.108, "text": "I've lived here since 1978.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1562", "start": 10070.172, "end": 10072.649, "text": "I'm also a proud member of DSA, obviously.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1563", "start": 10074.284, "end": 10075.078, "text": "I am here to—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 10075.11, "end": 10076.859, "text": "In support of the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 10077.426, "end": 10083.821, "text": "It will exempt 18,000 small businesses from paying the business license tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 10084.289, "end": 10091.003, "text": "This can make a big difference to a small and new business, as well as maintaining services that Portlanders rely on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 10091.068, "end": 10091.248, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 10092.157, "end": 10099.431, "text": "Currently, we're looking at a budget shortfall which, if it isn't addressed, will cause service cutbacks affecting parks and public safety.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1569", "start": 10099.944, "end": 10108.132, "text": "Here's a chance to add at least a little new revenue and to maintain what gives Portland its vital neighborhoods and unique character.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1570", "start": 10108.581, "end": 10118.019, "text": "Shout out here to Mother Foucault's Bookstore, which is an important part of the local art scene, while preserving crucial public safety jobs with this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1571", "start": 10118.067, "end": 10118.179, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1572", "start": 10119.72, "end": 10120.62, "text": "If we pass this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1573", "start": 10121.165, "end": 10127.893, "text": "Also, this bill will allow us to keep our commitment to assisting low-income Portlanders to keep their housing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1574", "start": 10128.471, "end": 10138.025, "text": "The proposed surtax raises approximately $88 million in new revenues while cutting taxes for small businesses and startups.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1575", "start": 10138.603, "end": 10141.911, "text": "This is why I urge you to pass the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1576", "start": 10142.039, "end": 10142.376, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1577", "start": 10146.914, "end": 10148.01, "text": "Ryan is online.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 10148.059, "end": 10148.614, "text": "You can go ahead.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 10155.944, "end": 10157.174, "text": "Hi, are you able to hear me?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 10159.07, "end": 10159.312, "text": "We can.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 10159.49, "end": 10159.83, "text": "Wonderful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1582", "start": 10159.927, "end": 10162.435, "text": "Uh, my name is Ryan Sotomayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 10162.662, "end": 10164.36, "text": "I use he/they pronouns.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 10164.458, "end": 10167.046, "text": "I'm a resident and renter in District 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 10167.208, "end": 10172.841, "text": "I'm a parent of 2 children, and our neighborhood public school.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 10173.436, "end": 10184.18, "text": "My spouse works for the county as an indigenous librarian for young people, and I'm here as a business manager of Laborers Local 483.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 10185.266, "end": 10196.485, "text": "Laborers Local 483 represents workers in the Port of Portland, both at the airport and at the port, Metro, at the zoo, and in natural area land management.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 10197.317, "end": 10200.958, "text": "And parks and nature throughout the tri-counties.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 10201.663, "end": 10208.095, "text": "We represent folks that do landscaping at Resource Relay Resources, both on the east and the west side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 10208.881, "end": 10211.608, "text": "We also represent folks in Silverton and Mount Angel.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 10212.73, "end": 10225.449, "text": "We have a small contract up at the zoo with Levy Restaurants, and we represent workers at the City of Portland, the Portland City Laborers contract, which is currently bargaining with the City of Portland, the recreation contract.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 10225.643, "end": 10233.348, "text": "Which is currently bargaining with the City of Portland, and the seasonal maintenance worker contract, which is with the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 10233.735, "end": 10239.852, "text": "And then we also are representing new groups at the Portland Japanese Gardens.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 10241.394, "end": 10253.548, "text": "I really appreciate all the public testimony from organizations and from people in the public that have come out, so I'm not going to belabor all the points that people have talked about.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 10254.308, "end": 10258.371, "text": "I just want to mention as a legislative policy that we love this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 10259.045, "end": 10263.366, "text": "Want to acknowledge Councilor Novak's work in the past to get this passed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 10263.462, "end": 10265.486, "text": "This is a beautiful piece of legislation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 10266.289, "end": 10278.72, "text": "We love to see that it's being worked on, not only for the budget, because for the City of Portland contracts that we represent, it's budget, budget, budget, but it also generates revenue, which is what we need in the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 10279.298, "end": 10281.951, "text": "And beyond that, it supports Small local businesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 10282.065, "end": 10287.675, "text": "Many of our folks that work at the City of Portland also have small businesses on the side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 10289.27, "end": 10304.913, "text": "I also want to shout out the work that's been done, the policy input, the outreach that's been done by councillors, the feedback that they've taken from labor and from many other groups, the partnership building and coalition building that they've done, and the outreach.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 10305.636, "end": 10306.953, "text": "I really appreciate it when.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1603", "start": 10307.904, "end": 10314.566, "text": "Council offices reach out to our union directly, particularly when we can provide feedback that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 10317.229, "end": 10318.614, "text": "I just want to offer our support.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 10318.776, "end": 10319.63, "text": "This is a great thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1606", "start": 10319.968, "end": 10321.902, "text": "This would be a great thing for all the districts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1607", "start": 10322.402, "end": 10327.739, "text": "I live in District 3 in the southeast Foster-Powell, Mt.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1608", "start": 10327.787, "end": 10336.28, "text": "Scott-Arleta neighborhood, and there are so many empty storefronts that would start to fill up and it would revitalize the neighborhood and the renaissance that is talked about.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1609", "start": 10336.862, "end": 10339.593, "text": "Working people have not experienced could begin to happen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1610", "start": 10339.723, "end": 10340.601, "text": "Please support this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1611", "start": 10340.861, "end": 10342.048, "text": "Thank you for your time and consideration.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 10344.8, "end": 10346.334, "text": "Tobias, you can go ahead online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 10354.195, "end": 10357.342, "text": "Tobias Forsberg, you can unmute and testify.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 10366.026, "end": 10366.397, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 10368.53, "end": 10369.289, "text": "All right, good morning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 10369.564, "end": 10375.088, "text": "Uh, my camera's not working, but my name is Tobias Forsberg and I live in Southeast Woodstock, District 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 10375.185, "end": 10381.079, "text": "I'm a native Oregonian, a husband, a father, a PTA member, a small business owner, and a former elected official.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 10381.772, "end": 10384.819, "text": "I'm not here to urge you to reject the proposed tax on large corporations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1619", "start": 10385.158, "end": 10400.502, "text": "I'm glad you're acknowledging, uh, and using high business taxes in Portland as the reason you believe we need yet another Tax on businesses, businesses in many cases that employ many people in Oregon, and in many cases with higher wages and better benefits because of economies of scale.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1620", "start": 10401.079, "end": 10402.153, "text": "It's an interesting argument.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1621", "start": 10402.938, "end": 10405.229, "text": "And again, I'm not here against the premise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1622", "start": 10405.421, "end": 10412.519, "text": "In fact, there are huge disparities, but you're acting as if we need this in order to protect small businesses when there are other solutions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1623", "start": 10413.128, "end": 10415.964, "text": "If we were an undertaxed city, this would be a solution.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1624", "start": 10416.637, "end": 10421.942, "text": "If we were one— if we weren't one of the slowest to recover, And it's not because of large corporations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1625", "start": 10422.182, "end": 10425.708, "text": "It's because we were sleeping at the wheel during the pandemic and for years thereafter.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1626", "start": 10426.157, "end": 10432.68, "text": "Then I'd be here supporting it and not asking you to take a step back and look at it from a longer-term holistic approach.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1627", "start": 10433.305, "end": 10435.934, "text": "But Portland's still recovering from the pandemic and the riots.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1628", "start": 10436.03, "end": 10441.736, "text": "We've lost employers and families who've left because of safety concerns, visible disorder, and rising costs of living.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1629", "start": 10442.201, "end": 10450.826, "text": "In fact, in the 2 years following the pandemic, when other cities were recovering, we lost thousands of families and over $1 billion in tax Taxable revenue from hardworking families.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1630", "start": 10451.34, "end": 10460.23, "text": "We already carry one of the heaviest tax burdens in the country, and adding another tax on businesses that provide jobs sends the wrong message at the worst possible time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1631", "start": 10460.807, "end": 10471.96, "text": "Because when a company decides where to locate or to expand, it compares costs, and every new tax makes the choice to leave or to never come or to scale back that much easier.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1632", "start": 10472.361, "end": 10475.667, "text": "And when large employers go, we lose more than their tax revenue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1633", "start": 10475.715, "end": 10475.875, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 10476.292, "end": 10478.231, "text": "We lose the paychecks associated with them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 10478.696, "end": 10483.871, "text": "We lose the small businesses that depend on them and the downtown foot traffic that keeps our city alive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 10484.448, "end": 10495.408, "text": "The City Council just approved the largest operating budget in Portland's history at $8.6 billion, and that doesn't include Multnomah County's $4 billion budget or Metro's $2 billion budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 10495.905, "end": 10500.312, "text": "Residents are being asked to pay more at every level of government and in the private sector.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 10500.744, "end": 10502.827, "text": "So the problem isn't that we don't have enough.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 10503.92, "end": 10506.362, "text": "It's that we don't prioritize what we spend.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 10506.972, "end": 10510.009, "text": "Other cities handled the post-pandemic period responsibly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 10510.347, "end": 10516.468, "text": "They reviewed their budgets, trimmed programs that weren't delivering results, and returned to spending levels that the economy could support.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 10516.87, "end": 10517.963, "text": "Portland hasn't done that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 10518.477, "end": 10525.755, "text": "To put things into perspective, Denver, Colorado, and Boston, Massachusetts, cities with the same population, around $5 billion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 10526.43, "end": 10529.049, "text": "No one's talking about budget bloat or making cuts.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 10529.322, "end": 10533.866, "text": "Only raising taxes in a community that has the 2nd highest marginalized tax burden in the nation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 10534.781, "end": 10546.374, "text": "So I think the first thing we should do, and what I'm asking you to do before we add another tax, even if it's popular, is to audit current spending levels and cut underperforming programs, streamline permitting, provide business tax credits.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1647", "start": 10547.065, "end": 10550.132, "text": "Fact of the matter is we have enough money, and perception is everything.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1648", "start": 10550.421, "end": 10553.744, "text": "Adding another tax now, even if it's justified, isn't the first step.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1649", "start": 10553.809, "end": 10554.387, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 10554.773, "end": 10555.064, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 10557.187, "end": 10558.629, "text": "Edith Gillis, you can go ahead online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 10560, "end": 10560.369, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 10560.658, "end": 10562.201, "text": "I'm Edith Gillis, District 3.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 10562.539, "end": 10563.857, "text": "I was a young child in Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 10563.905, "end": 10573.517, "text": "In the last 43 years, I've lived in each of the 4 quadrants as a volunteer providing essential services our city and corporations failed to provide.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 10574.179, "end": 10580.837, "text": "If you don't pass this excellent fair share tax ordinance, you will continue to make Portland worse.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 10581.132, "end": 10591.261, "text": "Making more Portlanders furious at you, losing city money, destroying our local economy, making more Portlanders increasingly poorer, homeless, sick, and enraged.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 10591.727, "end": 10598.967, "text": "You are required by law to be fiscally responsible for the city budget, required services and democracy, as well as local economy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 10599.031, "end": 10601.968, "text": "And if you pass this, you will be helping everyone.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 10602.707, "end": 10608.068, "text": "If you pass this, you will be helping the unethically, unfairly wealthy CEOs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 10608.229, "end": 10608.325, "text": "Whoa.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 10608.584, "end": 10622.769, "text": "Who need this passed so they will have the customers and services they need and a strong and healthy, hopeful community able and willing to spend money, to volunteer, to work for them.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 10623.366, "end": 10631.645, "text": "Passing this increases employee morale, employee productivity, and corporate health and the corporate goodwill.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 10633.35, "end": 10655.644, "text": "Passing this helps small local businesses and nonprofits which provide more and better jobs, benefits, services, livability, economy, security, safety, climate justice, social justice, and disaster resilience, as well as community strength and hope, than do all the large corporations with large gaps between the pay of CEOs and median workers.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 10656.238, "end": 10663.093, "text": "The kinds of employers, businesses, and nonprofits that we want in Portland treat workers right.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 10663.847, "end": 10672.009, "text": "Treat suppliers, customers, neighbors, the environment, and the city government with justice, respect, and compassion.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 10672.843, "end": 10676.675, "text": "And by passing this, you can only succeed if you pass.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 10677.717, "end": 10698.147, "text": "Large corporations hold policies and practices that prevent local managers from acting ethically, practically, compassionately, while local good businesses pay a hidden additional tax By providing the goods, services, advertising space, and money needed to make our communities and cities strong.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 10698.644, "end": 10703.92, "text": "Passing this fair share tax gives us the needed hope and ability we need to survive.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 10704.594, "end": 10710.415, "text": "While I think this EO fair share pay tax should be much larger, but at least pass this.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 10711.313, "end": 10717.759, "text": "Yesterday, I had someone living with me who's lost his housing because his wife just died.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 10717.807, "end": 10719.074, "text": "He can't be in assisted living.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1673", "start": 10719.411, "end": 10721.175, "text": "And before that, someone who was suicidal.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1674", "start": 10721.223, "end": 10721.335, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1675", "start": 10721.593, "end": 10725.586, "text": "Lost their job and their housing because people are depressed.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1676", "start": 10725.941, "end": 10729.371, "text": "The economy, the justice is denied them.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 10729.725, "end": 10735.501, "text": "When you pass this, you give people more of a reason to stay alive, stay committed, still caring for each other.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 10735.856, "end": 10737.147, "text": "We need this passed.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 10737.615, "end": 10740.333, "text": "And yes, you can cut the bloated budget for the cops.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 10740.779, "end": 10742.132, "text": "Pass this, and thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 10744.49, "end": 10745.628, "text": "Vicki, you can go ahead online.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 10748.805, "end": 10750.199, "text": "Hi, my name is Vicki Payne.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 10750.247, "end": 10753.405, "text": "I'm speaking on my own behalf today against this absurd proposal.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 10753.629, "end": 10764.833, "text": "I'm by no means stumping for big corporations, but we have to stop thinking that local taxes and fixes are somehow going to stop a wealthy corporation from packing up and leaving or lowering their prices or paying employees more.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1685", "start": 10765.218, "end": 10768.215, "text": "We are one city of 600,000 people in a country of millions.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1686", "start": 10768.263, "end": 10771.244, "text": "We aren't solving the wealth inequality of our country as a single city.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1687", "start": 10771.789, "end": 10784.609, "text": "We need to push these things at the federal level or else you get another Elon I live in a low-income neighborhood in Portland near Delta Park and Jantzen Beach, and I have watched these big box stores closing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1688", "start": 10785.16, "end": 10792.008, "text": "Elmer's closed their Delta Park location not because they weren't busy, but because they were sick of having to replace broken windows and deal with theft and illegal camping.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1689", "start": 10792.816, "end": 10799.648, "text": "Of course, taxes play a role combined with these issues when they are so high, but it's not the sole reason businesses are leaving or choosing not to open up in Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1690", "start": 10800.457, "end": 10804.436, "text": "I hear you bragging that even if the company leaves, they still sell products here, so we still collect the tax.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 10805.293, "end": 10806.174, "text": "Well, that sounds nice.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 10806.255, "end": 10809.028, "text": "You're completely leaving out the part about losing jobs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 10809.605, "end": 10818.63, "text": "You all keep mentioning Starbucks but have failed to mention how many Starbucks stores have already shuttered in Portland and how many that are left that don't have the option to sit down inside anymore.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 10819.159, "end": 10823.087, "text": "Not only are you taking away jobs, you are taking away third spaces for our community.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 10823.728, "end": 10827.912, "text": "Most people go to Starbucks for convenience because they're on busy roads and often have drive-throughs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 10827.96, "end": 10832.322, "text": "This isn't going to redirect them to their local coffee shop that isn't on the drive into work.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 10832.627, "end": 10834.215, "text": "They will just start making coffee at home.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 10834.697, "end": 10837.649, "text": "Everyone loses, especially if they buy their beans from Amazon.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 10838.307, "end": 10851.961, "text": "All of the people who have time and money to spend so often at their local mom-and-pops are really showing their privilege to have spoken today, as many of us cannot afford higher prices at our local shops regularly versus losing all of the Walmarts of Portland— in Portland a few years ago, for example.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 10852.427, "end": 10855.748, "text": "I often saw my elderly neighbors shopping at the one that used to be near me.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 10856.294, "end": 10861.396, "text": "We are likely about to lose many of our Dollar Tree stores next another lifeline for our low-income neighbors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 10862.085, "end": 10865.037, "text": "I'm also really concerned about manufacturing jobs in Portland.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 10865.101, "end": 10866.368, "text": "We lost Daimler and Keane.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1704", "start": 10866.545, "end": 10870.218, "text": "I have a friend who works for Coast who recently expanded their production facilities.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1705", "start": 10870.7, "end": 10873.796, "text": "Will they be next to relocate, and will my friend be out of a job next?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1706", "start": 10874.261, "end": 10878.72, "text": "I saw this happen in my home state of New York in the mid-'90s when they raised taxes on large businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1707", "start": 10879.17, "end": 10888.78, "text": "Our best-paying manufacturing jobs moved south or completely out of the country, and my home county suddenly became very poor, forcing people to commute Up to an hour away to find similar paying jobs.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1708", "start": 10889.341, "end": 10891.139, "text": "We've already seen grocery stores closing.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 10891.203, "end": 10897.285, "text": "I'm very nervous my North Interstate Fred Meyer will be the next to leave following similar threats that eventually lost us their Gateway store.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 10897.831, "end": 10899.275, "text": "Will the gas stations close next?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 10899.773, "end": 10905.759, "text": "You fail to realize these evil corporations are some of the only people who are hiring and willing to hire our neighbors coming out of homelessness.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 10906.417, "end": 10908.679, "text": "I know Councilor Zimmerman had a job at McDonald's once.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1713", "start": 10908.824, "end": 10911.183, "text": "How many of the rest of you have held a position in fast food?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1714", "start": 10911.648, "end": 10912.386, "text": "Guessing not many of you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1715", "start": 10912.435, "end": 10912.868, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1716", "start": 10913.077, "end": 10918.358, "text": "Poor white trash like myself have had to rely on these evil corporate jobs to pay our bills, however, because we aren't well connected.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1717", "start": 10918.888, "end": 10925.293, "text": "So instead, we see formerly homeless people driving around delivering for DoorDash and Uber instead of riding transit to a local steady job.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1718", "start": 10925.919, "end": 10930.558, "text": "You are failing to attract new businesses to Portland, so instead you are threatening to tax the ones who remain.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1719", "start": 10930.975, "end": 10937.782, "text": "The problem is partially taxes, but again, it's more so lack of public safety, which affects foot traffic to our beloved small businesses.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1720", "start": 10937.974, "end": 10939.949, "text": "I'm starting to think you all own stock in Amazon.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1721", "start": 10940.045, "end": 10940.478, "text": "Excuse me.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1722", "start": 10940.527, "end": 10942.116, "text": "Please stop playing games with the economy.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 10942.309, "end": 10946.147, "text": "And I think we have one panel left.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 10946.227, "end": 10948.7, "text": "We've been given the chance to go a couple minutes over.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 10949.037, "end": 10955.379, "text": "Uh, this is one panel of 5 folks, so I would love it if we could maintain quorum through that, and then we'll get through it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 10955.7, "end": 10957.643, "text": "We'll have one quick wrap-up, and then we'll end for the day.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 10958.189, "end": 10958.35, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 10958.912, "end": 10965.318, "text": "Adam Murray, Skyler Cruz, Ty Gordon, Brandon Mullen, Oh Nguyen.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 10974.072, "end": 10974.697, "text": "Adam, you can go ahead.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 10975.034, "end": 10975.194, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 10975.531, "end": 10976.845, "text": "Uh, good afternoon, Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 10977.118, "end": 10978.256, "text": "Uh, hello, Chair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 10978.416, "end": 10979.378, "text": "Thank you for letting me speak today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 10979.442, "end": 10980.356, "text": "My name is Adam Murray.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 10980.564, "end": 10982.184, "text": "I'm speaking on behalf of myself today.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 10983.049, "end": 10991.289, "text": "Um, you know, there are a lot of preconceived notions about this body, and, um, there are a lot of folks who view you all in a certain light.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 10992.188, "end": 11000.064, "text": "They view one side as though you see the other as intransigent, and they view the other side as though they see the other as recalcitrant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 11001.347, "end": 11013.186, "text": "I don't find that to be true, and that's because I've had the pleasure of, you know, working with you all and meeting you in some capacity or another, and you've all impressed me very much with how much you actually love this city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 11014.181, "end": 11015.993, "text": "You know, you have disagreements regularly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 11016.41, "end": 11018.287, "text": "That's normal for any legislative body.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 11019.153, "end": 11025.741, "text": "And as a public, I want us to just have more faith in your ability to be mutable.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 11026.911, "end": 11029.22, "text": "I honestly, there's a couple things I want to address.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 11029.556, "end": 11036.064, "text": "One is that during testimony today, a really inappropriate comment was made about Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 11036.465, "end": 11038.244, "text": "I just want to repudiate that attitude.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1745", "start": 11038.389, "end": 11040.024, "text": "I know that as Portlanders, we're better than that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1746", "start": 11041.098, "end": 11044.993, "text": "Another thing I want to say is, Councilor Dan Ryan, I'm actually really thankful for you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1747", "start": 11045.041, "end": 11045.137, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1748", "start": 11045.522, "end": 11054.354, "text": "You know, I know a lot of people who give you a rough time because they don't know you very well, but in the time that I've worked with you, you actually have shown me to have quite an open mind and an open ear.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1749", "start": 11055.076, "end": 11063.682, "text": "And so on this particular issue, I think what we're really facing here is a battle of perceptions and how you work together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 11064.55, "end": 11070.33, "text": "I think it's very clear that this is a very popular piece of legislation, and there may be opportunities to make it better.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 11071.052, "end": 11086.648, "text": "There may be opportunities through the incentive pathways that Councilor Green and Councilor Murillo have carved out very intelligently in this legislation to create further incentives that actually may inspire change in organizational approaches, potentially nationwide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 11087.561, "end": 11098.669, "text": "There's a lot to consider here, but I think what you should consider is pathways towards conscientious amendments and a process in discussing those amendments and having faith in one another.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 11099.423, "end": 11103.624, "text": "To make the necessary concessions and, and to just find a way to yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 11104.393, "end": 11108.273, "text": "I believe you can do that, and I think that this is very important legislation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 11109.187, "end": 11113.645, "text": "And I think we all acknowledge the critical need to, to build revenue right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 11114.639, "end": 11118.503, "text": "And, you know, folks have feelings about taxes being the way we get there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 11119.369, "end": 11126.536, "text": "I encourage you all to continue to brainstorm, but to vote yes on this until you find other ways to drive that revenue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 11126.68, "end": 11127.017, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 11127.081, "end": 11127.177, "text": "I yield.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 11127.225, "end": 11127.369, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 11132.688, "end": 11133.684, "text": "Hello, City Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 11133.732, "end": 11134.76, "text": "My name is Skylar Cruz.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 11134.873, "end": 11137.717, "text": "I'm a resident of District 4 and a member of Portland DSA.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 11138.392, "end": 11143.694, "text": "I'm in support of the fair share tax as I believe our small businesses are the lifeblood of our communities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 11144.353, "end": 11149.222, "text": "Growing up lower class in Longview, Washington, my family has held many jobs in small businesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 11149.897, "end": 11155.021, "text": "My mother works the box office of a local theater, and when I was a small child, she worked at the local roller rink.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 11155.743, "end": 11159.547, "text": "Visiting Oaks Park Roller Rink is actually one of my favorite activities here today in Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 11159.949, "end": 11165.246, "text": "If you haven't been to Oaks Park Roller Rink, you should support them and shred the rink— shred on the rink with me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 11165.31, "end": 11165.92, "text": "It'd be really fun.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 11167.14, "end": 11169.853, "text": "But my mother's employment history hasn't always been so rosy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 11170.767, "end": 11177.83, "text": "In the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis, my mother faced her own employment struggles, but ultimately was lucky enough to land a job.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 11178.697, "end": 11181.249, "text": "But unfortunately, it was kind of the most demoralizing job of her life.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 11181.827, "end": 11184.458, "text": "She worked as a clerk for a payday loans company.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 11185.292, "end": 11191.934, "text": "She got to know her regulars, people struggling to make ends meet by taking out advance loans on their paychecks with high interest rates.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 11192.495, "end": 11198.383, "text": "These loans ultimately pushed them further into debt on each visit, all while my mother serviced them with a smile.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 11199.313, "end": 11200.821, "text": "And this time she began drinking heavily.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 11201.319, "end": 11207.575, "text": "She felt lucky to have a job and be able to financially support her 2 children, but that didn't erase the human suffering she had to witness.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 11209.116, "end": 11215.312, "text": "It was one of the hardest times of my young life and certainly caused me trauma I'm unsure I fully unpacked.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1779", "start": 11216.243, "end": 11218.875, "text": "The same story is happening today with families all over the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1780", "start": 11219.469, "end": 11223.883, "text": "As our small businesses struggle, hours are cut, and Portlanders' wages can't pay rent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1781", "start": 11224.349, "end": 11226.42, "text": "The doom loop doesn't start with corporations leaving.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1782", "start": 11226.628, "end": 11230.673, "text": "It starts with small businesses struggling, storefronts closing, and wages declining.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1783", "start": 11231.251, "end": 11235.472, "text": "One business closes, the wages lost from its employees, which could go to supporting other businesses, are lost.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 11235.521, "end": 11238.694, "text": "Councilmember disappear and other businesses follow suit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 11239.561, "end": 11241.506, "text": "I've been happily sober for 4 and a half years now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 11242.229, "end": 11243.82, "text": "I ask that you pass the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 11244.559, "end": 11247.924, "text": "Don't be the reason I start drinking again, just like my mother did.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 11248.426, "end": 11249.139, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 11251.745, "end": 11252.927, "text": "Good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1790", "start": 11253.041, "end": 11254.061, "text": "My name is Ong Nguyen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1791", "start": 11254.337, "end": 11255.649, "text": "I live in District 3.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1792", "start": 11256.766, "end": 11267.735, "text": "First off, I'd like to thank Councilor Novick for pushing through the last version of this tax, and I'd like to commend Councilor Green Thank you, Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1793", "start": 11267.832, "end": 11270.87, "text": "And Maria for pushing forward this current iteration.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1794", "start": 11272.028, "end": 11274.664, "text": "So I strongly support the fair share tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1795", "start": 11275.55, "end": 11280.268, "text": "We are living in an age of historic wealth and income inequality.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1796", "start": 11281.57, "end": 11289.255, "text": "The big guys at the top are doing better than ever while everybody else are struggling more and more just to get by.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1797", "start": 11291.148, "end": 11296.024, "text": "But the fat cats at the top Did not get there with just the sweat of their brow.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1798", "start": 11297.762, "end": 11303.975, "text": "No, they relied on many public good things that are paid for by all of us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1799", "start": 11304.986, "end": 11313.712, "text": "Amazon wouldn't be able to deliver their things in record time if it weren't for the highways and roads paid for by taxpayers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1800", "start": 11314.818, "end": 11318.625, "text": "Tesla and SpaceX would still be wobbly startups.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1801", "start": 11318.674, "end": 11318.788, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1802", "start": 11319.057, "end": 11324.851, "text": "If it weren't for billions of dollars in subsidies and tax credits from the government.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1803", "start": 11325.933, "end": 11336.615, "text": "Google, Facebook, and probably the entire internet ecosystem would not exist today if it weren't for DARPA projects funded by U.S. taxpayers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1804", "start": 11338.62, "end": 11345.386, "text": "So to say the wealthy need to pay their fair share is perhaps too mild.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1805", "start": 11346.117, "end": 11350.948, "text": "I think this proposal really should be called the Suck It Up Buttercups proposal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1806", "start": 11352.46, "end": 11354.182, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1807", "start": 11356.421, "end": 11358.127, "text": "That concludes testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1808", "start": 11359.174, "end": 11368.463, "text": "All right, so first off, uh, thank you for validating the faith that I have in Portlanders who sign up to testify, for helping us get that done early and not taking time you didn't need.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1809", "start": 11369.013, "end": 11370.939, "text": "Um, quick housekeeping note from, from Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1810", "start": 11371.05, "end": 11389.767, "text": "Yeah, just really quickly, uh, while we still have quorum, I just wanted to, uh, after the volume of testimony we've got, um, hearing that it's very popular, uh, reaches a lot of folks, uh, large, um, deep outreach, uh, I just want to extend co-sponsorship to any of my colleagues, uh, on City Council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1811", "start": 11389.815, "end": 11393.533, "text": "If, if you want to add your name to this before next week, uh, we'd love to have you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1812", "start": 11393.581, "end": 11398.528, "text": "So, um, for folks who've already left, I hope that your staff is letting you know that this offer is on the table.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1813", "start": 11399.81, "end": 11399.923, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1814", "start": 11400.036, "end": 11402.184, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1815", "start": 11402.411, "end": 11403.929, "text": "Uh, so this is going to wrap up our meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1816", "start": 11404.042, "end": 11410.152, "text": "2 Quick housekeeping notes: we, uh, do not have council later today, so pick up, uh, obviously committees next week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1817", "start": 11410.2, "end": 11415.571, "text": "And the next meeting of the Committee of the Whole is next, uh, Thursday, um, morning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1818", "start": 11416.072, "end": 11417.434, "text": "And, uh, thank you so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1819", "start": 11417.78, "end": 11419.528, "text": "So we'll wrap it up at 12:35 PM.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" } ] }