{ "meetingId": "2026-10-07-1", "title": "Portland City Council AM Session 10/07/26", "displayTitle": "City Council · morning", "date": "2026-10-07T12:27:00-07:00", "duration": 190, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwSOfB3Aw3s", "videoId": "iwSOfB3Aw3s", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/2026/10/7", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Public comment", "type": "Public communication", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/public-communication/placed-file/october-7-2026-public-communications" }, { "number": 4, "title": "October 2026 City Administrator update", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-354" }, { "number": 5, "title": "Add Bulk Fuel Terminal Capacity Reduction Regulations Code to reduce Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub fuel storage by 2036 in support of hazard mitigation (add Code Chapter 17.112)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/title-17-bulk-fuel-terminal-capacity-reduction-regulations" }, { "number": 6, "title": "Amend Regulation of Payday Lending Code to update program fees (amend Code Section 7.26.030)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/amend-payday-lending-program-fees" }, { "number": 7, "title": "Amend Pay and Park and Non-Pay Private Parking Facilities Code to strengthen compliance and public notice requirements and update program fees (amend Code Chapter 7.25)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/amend-portland-city-code-chapter-725-pay-and-park-and-non-pay-private" }, { "number": 8, "title": "Amend Social Games Code to strengthen compliance requirements and update program fees (amend Code Sections 14A.70.060 and 14A.70.070)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/amend-social-games-program-requirements-and-fees" }, { "number": 9, "title": "Repeal Amusement Devices, Games and Machines Code (repeal Code Chapter 14B.110)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/repeal-amusement-devices-program" }, { "number": 10, "title": "Authorize Bureau of Transportation to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for construction of the SE Division Street – SE 148th to SE 174th Project through the exercise of the City’s Eminent Domain Authority", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192233" }, { "number": 11, "title": "Authorize Bureau of Transportation to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for construction of the SE Stark St: 111th - 151st Ave Project through the exercise of the City’s Eminent Domain Authority", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192234" }, { "number": 12, "title": "Amend Advertising on Bus Benches Code to allow advertising on City streetcar benches and shelters (amend Code Chapter 17.45)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192235" }, { "number": 13, "title": "Amend Fire Regulations Fee Schedule (amend Portland Policy Document FIR-12.01)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192236" }, { "number": 14, "title": "Amend Code related to prohibitions on possession of firearms within certain City buildings to disallow affirmative defense for persons with concealed handgun licenses (amend Code Sections 3.18.020, 14A.60.010 and 20.12.050)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/protecting-public-buildings" } ], "summary": "**Portland's City Council voted 9-2, with one member absent, to raise Portland Fire & Rescue permit and inspection fees projected to bring in about $800,000 a year, over the objections of two members who said the increases arrived outside the budget process.** ([03:09:02](meeting:2026-10-07-1@03:09:02))\n\n## Fire fee increase draws process complaints and two no votes\n\nThe fee ordinance, introduced by Mayor Keith Wilson for Portland Fire & Rescue, updates charges for inspections, alarms, sprinkler systems, assembly-space floor plans and permits for events, theatrical firearms and laser shows. Budget analyst Angela Wright told the council most of the fees — roughly 88% — had not been updated since before 2012, and that the city's current fees run about **$146 below** comparable cities, or **$53 below** after the increase. Wright estimated the change would generate about **$800,000** a year.\n\nCouncil President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) voted no, saying the move toward full cost recovery across bureaus falls hardest on small businesses and arts venues. He said the city \"should not be granting dollars with one hand and then taking them back with the other\" ([02:24:00](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:24:00)), citing permits for music venues, galleries and events. Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) also voted no, questioning why the fees arrived months after the budget. \"That was my editorial opinion,\" he said after describing the increases as \"aspirin to the headaches of expenses for businesses\" ([02:29:05](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:29:05)). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4), who was absent for the final vote but had voted no in committee, said \"there has to be a line in our professionalism, Mr. Administrator\" ([02:57:04](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:57:04)).\n\nSeveral members voted yes while sharing those frustrations. Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) said he was \"stunned that we're sitting here talking about blowing an $800,000 hole in the budget of the Portland Fire and Rescue Bureau\" ([02:47:12](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:47:12)), noting the St. Johns fire engine cost $2.5 million and rescue units $1.65 million. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said cost recovery does not fit a public safety bureau but the hole was too large to accept. Chief Financial Officer Jonas Biery said the fees had been a decision package in the mayor's proposed budget, discussed at a May 5 work session and carried into the adopted budget, and that the city would align fee analysis with the budget going forward ([02:52:46](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:52:46)).\n\n## CEI Hub fuel reduction advances with two amendments\n\nThe council passed to second reading, as amended, the ordinance reducing fuel storage at the Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub by 2036. Members adopted a substitute amendment, drafted by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) with Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2), committing the council to work with the Portland Clean Energy Fund committee to bring transportation investments more in line with the 40% of emissions from the transportation sector. The amendment passed **8-4** ([01:55:42](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:55:42)), with Councilors Candace Avalos (District 1), Loretta Smith (District 1), Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) and Dunphy against. Avalos said the next climate investment plan is the right venue and the language predetermines fund allocations: \"I'm pretty disappointed to hear that\" ([01:54:05](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:54:05)). Smith wanted the question as a standalone issue rather than \"an amendment to an amendment to an amendment\" ([01:33:27](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:33:27)).\n\nA second amendment from Kanal passed **10-2** ([02:14:09](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:14:09)), with Smith and Koyama Lane against. It directs the City Administrator to present a public health and natural hazards risk reduction plan for the CEI Hub by **September 30, 2027**, with an interim update by March 31, 2027, covering evacuation routes, industrial firefighting capacity and emergency supplies. Fire Chief Lauren Johnson and interim emergency management director Elizabeth Perez told the council the timeline was workable for preliminary information but might need extending, and Johnson flagged proprietary vendor information as a possible barrier. The ordinance was continued to **November 5, 2026**.\n\nThe drafting played out live on the dais, prompting Novick's remark that he is \"always more comfortable working as part of the vast Jewish conspiracy than working alone\" ([01:18:30](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:18:30)) and a round of complaints about Microsoft Teams, with Kanal saying \"Goddamn it, I hate Teams\" ([01:20:18](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:20:18)).\n\n## City Administrator's report and a records dispute\n\nCity Administrator Raymond C. Lee reported 10 immigration detentions in the metro area the prior day, three in Portland, and said PERC reported **76 detentions in September**, part of a four-month trend of 70 to 90 monthly, up from 15 to 30 earlier in the year ([00:31:00](meeting:2026-10-07-1@00:31:00)). He said Parks volunteers contributed over 485,000 hours valued at about $16.9 million.\n\nKanal pressed Lee on access to bureau information, citing City Charter section 2-109 on the council's investigative power. \"I've been being stonewalled right now ... on several things,\" he said, adding that being told to file public records requests \"doesn't feel great\" ([01:08:13](meeting:2026-10-07-1@01:08:13)). Lee said \"No\" when asked whether the city intended to charge councilors for such requests. Zimmerman asked Lee to consider a policy requiring a council resolution before bureaus take on significant work for individual councilors' ordinances.\n\n## Public comment\n\nSix people signed up. Addie Smith said the city announced over **$106 million** in unspent housing funds but provided only **$5 million** toward rental assistance, which went to Multnomah County and is \"now unaccounted for,\" with $500,000 \"dedicated to staffing and administration\" ([00:23:40](meeting:2026-10-07-1@00:23:40)). David Guither of Radio Cab opposed Waymo autonomous vehicles, citing a **$126 billion** valuation and over 12,000 private-for-hire permit holders ([00:17:30](meeting:2026-10-07-1@00:17:30)). John Hollister praised Councilors Zimmerman and Olivia Clark (District 4) and endorsed a District 4 candidate; Kenny R. Gonzalez spoke on pedestrian safety; and Ghalib bin Imhotep urged the council to use its legislative authority.\n\n## Other votes\n\nDunphy read a proclamation declaring **October 12, 2026** Indigenous Peoples' Day. The council approved four Revenue Division ordinances on consent — payday lending fees, pay-and-park facilities, social games and repeal of the amusement devices code — 12-0, all set for second reading October 14. Two Transportation eminent-domain ordinances for the SE Division Street and SE Stark Street projects each passed 12-0. An ordinance allowing advertising on streetcar benches and shelters passed 12-0 after Smith questioned which businesses would be barred; Deputy City Administrator Millicent Williams said prohibitions track federal transit funding rules, so a marijuana shop could not advertise ([02:19:37](meeting:2026-10-07-1@02:19:37)).\n\n## What's next\n\nThe CEI Hub ordinance returns **November 5, 2026** at 2:00 pm to adopt findings. An ordinance to disallow a concealed-handgun affirmative defense for firearms in city buildings (item 14) was not reached and continued to a future meeting. The procurement disparity study is expected mid-to-late November, and a decision on the PGE Harborton land use appeal could come by December 31. An Urban Alchemy oversight hearing is set for November 5.", "summaryText": "Portland's City Council voted 9-2, with one member absent, to raise Portland Fire & Rescue permit and inspection fees projected to bring in about $800,000 a year, over the objections of two members who said the increases arrived outside the budget process. (03:09:02)\n\nThe fee ordinance, introduced by Mayor Keith Wilson for Portland Fire & Rescue, updates charges for inspections, alarms, sprinkler systems, assembly-space floor plans and permits for events, theatrical firearms and laser shows. Budget analyst Angela Wright told the council most of the fees — roughly 88% — had not been updated since before 2012, and that the city's current fees run about $146 below comparable cities, or $53 below after the increase. Wright estimated the change would generate about $800,000 a year.\n\nCouncil President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) voted no, saying the move toward full cost recovery across bureaus falls hardest on small businesses and arts venues. He said the city \"should not be granting dollars with one hand and then taking them back with the other\" (02:24:00), citing permits for music venues, galleries and events. Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) also voted no, questioning why the fees arrived months after the budget. \"That was my editorial opinion,\" he said after describing the increases as \"aspirin to the headaches of expenses for businesses\" (02:29:05). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4), who was absent for the final vote but had voted no in committee, said \"there has to be a line in our professionalism, Mr. Administrator\" (02:57:04).\n\nSeveral members voted yes while sharing those frustrations. Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) said he was \"stunned that we're sitting here talking about blowing an $800,000 hole in the budget of the Portland Fire and Rescue Bureau\" (02:47:12), noting the St. Johns fire engine cost $2.5 million and rescue units $1.65 million. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said cost recovery does not fit a public safety bureau but the hole was too large to accept. Chief Financial Officer Jonas Biery said the fees had been a decision package in the mayor's proposed budget, discussed at a May 5 work session and carried into the adopted budget, and that the city would align fee analysis with the budget going forward (02:52:46).\n\nThe council passed to second reading, as amended, the ordinance reducing fuel storage at the Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub by 2036. Members adopted a substitute amendment, drafted by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) with Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2), committing the council to work with the Portland Clean Energy Fund committee to bring transportation investments more in line with the 40% of emissions from the transportation sector. The amendment passed 8-4 (01:55:42), with Councilors Candace Avalos (District 1), Loretta Smith (District 1), Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) and Dunphy against. Avalos said the next climate investment plan is the right venue and the language predetermines fund allocations: \"I'm pretty disappointed to hear that\" (01:54:05). Smith wanted the question as a standalone issue rather than \"an amendment to an amendment to an amendment\" (01:33:27).\n\nA second amendment from Kanal passed 10-2 (02:14:09), with Smith and Koyama Lane against. It directs the City Administrator to present a public health and natural hazards risk reduction plan for the CEI Hub by September 30, 2027, with an interim update by March 31, 2027, covering evacuation routes, industrial firefighting capacity and emergency supplies. Fire Chief Lauren Johnson and interim emergency management director Elizabeth Perez told the council the timeline was workable for preliminary information but might need extending, and Johnson flagged proprietary vendor information as a possible barrier. The ordinance was continued to November 5, 2026.\n\nThe drafting played out live on the dais, prompting Novick's remark that he is \"always more comfortable working as part of the vast Jewish conspiracy than working alone\" (01:18:30) and a round of complaints about Microsoft Teams, with Kanal saying \"Goddamn it, I hate Teams\" (01:20:18).\n\nCity Administrator Raymond C. Lee reported 10 immigration detentions in the metro area the prior day, three in Portland, and said PERC reported 76 detentions in September, part of a four-month trend of 70 to 90 monthly, up from 15 to 30 earlier in the year (00:31:00). He said Parks volunteers contributed over 485,000 hours valued at about $16.9 million.\n\nKanal pressed Lee on access to bureau information, citing City Charter section 2-109 on the council's investigative power. \"I've been being stonewalled right now ... on several things,\" he said, adding that being told to file public records requests \"doesn't feel great\" (01:08:13). Lee said \"No\" when asked whether the city intended to charge councilors for such requests. Zimmerman asked Lee to consider a policy requiring a council resolution before bureaus take on significant work for individual councilors' ordinances.\n\nSix people signed up. Addie Smith said the city announced over $106 million in unspent housing funds but provided only $5 million toward rental assistance, which went to Multnomah County and is \"now unaccounted for,\" with $500,000 \"dedicated to staffing and administration\" (00:23:40). David Guither of Radio Cab opposed Waymo autonomous vehicles, citing a $126 billion valuation and over 12,000 private-for-hire permit holders (00:17:30). John Hollister praised Councilors Zimmerman and Olivia Clark (District 4) and endorsed a District 4 candidate; Kenny R. Gonzalez spoke on pedestrian safety; and Ghalib bin Imhotep urged the council to use its legislative authority.\n\nDunphy read a proclamation declaring October 12, 2026 Indigenous Peoples' Day. The council approved four Revenue Division ordinances on consent — payday lending fees, pay-and-park facilities, social games and repeal of the amusement devices code — 12-0, all set for second reading October 14. Two Transportation eminent-domain ordinances for the SE Division Street and SE Stark Street projects each passed 12-0. An ordinance allowing advertising on streetcar benches and shelters passed 12-0 after Smith questioned which businesses would be barred; Deputy City Administrator Millicent Williams said prohibitions track federal transit funding rules, so a marijuana shop could not advertise (02:19:37).\n\nThe CEI Hub ordinance returns November 5, 2026 at 2:00 pm to adopt findings. An ordinance to disallow a concealed-handgun affirmative defense for firearms in city buildings (item 14) was not reached and continued to a future meeting. The procurement disparity study is expected mid-to-late November, and a decision on the PGE Harborton land use appeal could come by December 31. An Urban Alchemy oversight hearing is set for November 5.", "summaryLede": "Portland's City Council voted 9-2, with one member absent, to raise Portland Fire & Rescue permit and inspection fees projected to bring in about $800,000 a year, over the objections of two members who said the increases arrived outside the budget process.", "sections": [ { "title": "Agenda approval", "startTime": "00:03:03.120", "endTime": "00:08:14.562", "items": [ { "title": "Agenda approval", "startTime": "00:08:06.346", "endTime": "00:08:14.562", "agendaItemNumber": 1 } ] }, { "title": "Public communications", "startTime": "00:08:14.562", "endTime": "00:26:15.142", "items": [ { "title": "Public comment (Public communication)", "startTime": "00:09:50.476", "endTime": "00:26:15.142", "agendaItemNumber": 2 } ] }, { "title": "Council President update", "startTime": "00:26:15.142", "endTime": "00:27:32.131", "items": [ { "title": "Indigenous Peoples Day Proclamation", "startTime": "00:26:15.142", "endTime": 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"Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1299.255, "end": 1302.159, "text": "Oregon is 3rd in the nation in unemployment.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1302.784, "end": 1313.916, "text": "The Portland Housing Bureau has been led by Michael Bonocore as bureau director for over 4 years, and he did not develop and implement a division in the bureau to provide rental assistance to Portlanders.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1314.494, "end": 1318.809, "text": "Instead, the City Council gave $5 million to Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1318.873, "end": 1318.969, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1319.548, "end": 1321.99, "text": "And that $5 million is now unaccounted for.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1324.32, "end": 1324.674, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1325.349, "end": 1331.705, "text": "Firstly, the money was not distributed to the 5 housing organizations these council members said it would be.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1332.207, "end": 1340.823, "text": "Multnomah County did not provide those funds to the NSR, El Programa Hispano, ERCO Latino Network, NAYA, and SEI.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1341.883, "end": 1349.578, "text": "What Multnomah County does is receive the rental assistance information from these organizations And cuts the check for them.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1350.445, "end": 1358.924, "text": "Rachel Pearl also told me that $500,000 of that $5 million is, quote, dedicated to staffing and administration, end quote.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1359.374, "end": 1360.931, "text": "Which staffing and administration?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1361.3, "end": 1362.023, "text": "Multnomah County?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1362.81, "end": 1365.363, "text": "Why are the county staff being paid twice?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 1365.861, "end": 1367.194, "text": "How is this even possible?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1367.868, "end": 1373.039, "text": "Again, the county isn't dispersing the funds you provided to them to these organizations.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1373.344, "end": 1375.078, "text": "The county is dispersing the funds themselves.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1375.142, "end": 1379.406, "text": "Councilwoman Smith, So why are they paying themselves to disburse the funds?", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1380.64, "end": 1383.173, "text": "Next, I want to talk about Portland State University.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1383.605, "end": 1388.109, "text": "Like Cornell University, they did not investigate allegations of a crime.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1388.718, "end": 1400.691, "text": "Cornell University Senior Dean of Student Conduct Christina Liang said, quote, 2024 was one of the most challenging years of my career, and it helped me learn that caring less is okay, end quote.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1401.139, "end": 1412.472, "text": "At Portland State University, campus officer Haley Wright Salinas testified to a grand jury that she had no intentions of investigating these allegations of this crime.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1413.114, "end": 1414.636, "text": "She knew she had her perk.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1415.262, "end": 1415.823, "text": "That was it.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1415.967, "end": 1418.356, "text": "Those were her exact words to a grand jury.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1419.093, "end": 1428.166, "text": "And the grand jury foreperson, her name is Jazara Calling, indicted a young Black man who asked a woman to leave his dorm.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1429.032, "end": 1437.762, "text": "How many times have we seen Uh, a, uh, call a situation play out against a Black man.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1438.661, "end": 1448.099, "text": "Black men and men in general have the right to ask a woman to leave without her going and lying to the first police officer they can find.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1448.934, "end": 1464.092, "text": "After coming and going all day to this man's dorm, this woman, when he asks her to leave, finds Hailey Wright Salinas and says, oh hey, by the way, He did 8 counts of these charges against me, and it's false.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1464.766, "end": 1472.768, "text": "And my vote just might sway in the favor of people you guys don't like because I am sick of the racism in Portland, Oregon, in Oregon in general.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1473.95, "end": 1475.196, "text": "Thank you very much for being here today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1476.48, "end": 1477.945, "text": "That completes communications.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1478.702, "end": 1479.788, "text": "Thank you very much, everybody.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1481.365, "end": 1484.695, "text": "Colleagues, next on our agenda is the presidential update.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1485.003, "end": 1491.795, "text": "While we do not have a pre-gavel, obviously, since we're in the middle of the meeting here, I am going to be Thank you, Councilor Herbold.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1491.939, "end": 1494.568, "text": "I'm going to be reading a proclamation acknowledging Indigenous Peoples' Day.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1495.064, "end": 1540.215, "text": "So very briefly, whereas the City of Portland recognizes that indigenous peoples have inhabited the lands known as the Americas since time immemorial, and whereas the City of Portland is situated at the confluence of the Willamette and Columbia Rivers, an area with rich history of indigenous villages, trade routes, enduring— and enduring cultural relationships to the land that long predate the arrival and westward expansion of European and American settlers, and Whereas Indigenous peoples continue to advocate for their communities, cultures, ways of life, and well-beings on the land and water, whose importance and role in life— whose importance and role in sustaining their peoples continues from beyond living memory and across generations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1540.471, "end": 1558.663, "text": "And whereas the City of Portland is committed to integrating Indigenous knowledge and perspectives into city practices and policies to address institutional racism and the enduring impacts of policies and actions that have contributed to to disproportionate outcomes for Indigenous peoples in health, education, and economic mobility.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1558.839, "end": 1574.676, "text": "And whereas the City of Portland's Tribal Government Relations Program supports and facilitates meaningful consultation with regional tribes to strengthen understanding of and preserve the cultures, histories, and enduring relationships to land rooted in this region.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1575.142, "end": 1580.121, "text": "And whereas the City of Portland declares the 2nd Monday of October as Indigenous Peoples' Day.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1580.442, "end": 1596.865, "text": "And Whereas Indigenous Peoples' Day provides an opportunity for the City of Portland to recognize and honor the history, cultures, contributions, and contemporary presence of Indigenous peoples while reaffirming the city's commitment to meaningful government-to-government relationship and collaboration with tribal nations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1597.763, "end": 1624.011, "text": "And whereas Indigenous Peoples' Day 2026 provides an opportunity for the City of Portland to reaffirm its commitment to amplifying the voices and visibility of Indigenous people throughout city policies, practices, advocacy, and investments, creating opportunities for meaningful collaboration with Indigenous communities on city initiatives and honoring the history, cultures, and contributions of Indigenous Peoples' Day for— to Indigenous peoples to this nation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1624.235, "end": 1644.693, "text": "Now therefore, I, Keith Wilson, Mayor of the City of Portland, Oregon, the City of Roses, do hereby proclaim October 12th, 2026, as Indigenous Peoples' Day for the City of Portland, and hereby encourage all residents, peoples, businesses, and community members to join with me in expressing support and celebration of Indigenous peoples' incredible contributions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1646.65, "end": 1647.189, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1652.131, "end": 1653.933, "text": "Can we please call item number 4?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1655.95, "end": 1661.594, "text": "Document 2026-354, October 2026 City Administrator Update.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1663.417, "end": 1665.037, "text": "City Administrator Lee, turning it over to you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1807.352, "end": 1816.457, "text": "We have to have strong partnerships from the private sector, our nonprofits, and with us to make sure that we're providing a first-class city.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1817.21, "end": 1821.474, "text": "Last week, we welcomed the city's first-ever Chief Asset Manager Officer.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1821.762, "end": 1824.583, "text": "Clark, I know that's a kudos to you, to the city.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1825.208, "end": 1831.107, "text": "Emily Trench is returning to Portland from her most recent post as Acting City Manager in Tigard.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1832.261, "end": 1845.139, "text": "She will be leading efforts to create a strategic coordinated, and systematic approach to managing the city's $80 billion portfolio of physical infrastructure and public assets.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1845.572, "end": 1852.164, "text": "She will be at the next Public Works Committee meeting, uh, to talk through our asset management plan and framework.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1853.191, "end": 1858.42, "text": "Also, I want to share my regular weekly federal immigration enforcement update.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1858.885, "end": 1863.167, "text": "There are reports of an uptick in detentions in the Portland metro area.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1863.649, "end": 1865.351, "text": "Including 10 yesterday.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 1866.025, "end": 1869.22, "text": "Uh, 3 of those were in the city of Portland itself.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 1869.879, "end": 1874.969, "text": "Advocates are currently calling it a confirmed surge and are still assessing the situation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 1875.916, "end": 1888.248, "text": "Recent DHS statements, along with the 1-year anniversary of the last major federal enforcement surge in Oregon, are adding to community concern of more surges.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 1889.082, "end": 1906.519, "text": "For the month of September, PERC reported 76 detentions, continuing a 4-month trend, roughly 70 to 90 monthly detentions compared with 15 to 30 detentions per month earlier, earlier in the year.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 1907.289, "end": 1915.775, "text": "The Immigrant Affairs Lead continues to finalize the city's employee training and resource for interacting with federal immigration enforcement.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 1916.339, "end": 1923.165, "text": "Along with outreach events to provide community members with know your rights information and resources.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 1924.791, "end": 1937.639, "text": "Lastly, I want to note that we got a request for an additional appendix last month listing bids and solicitations, which we'll be able to include in November's report moving forward.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 1937.993, "end": 1941.448, "text": "Please look forward for that in that monthly report from the CA.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 1942.155, "end": 1948.837, "text": "As always, I'm incredibly proud of the work of the city, uh, from the previous month and what we're doing currently.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 1949.349, "end": 1953.099, "text": "The leadership team is here to answer any questions that you may have at this time.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 1953.74, "end": 1955.134, "text": "Thank you very much, City Administrator Lee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 1955.502, "end": 1957.649, "text": "Uh, colleagues, feel free to jump into the queue with any questions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 1957.73, "end": 1958.707, "text": "We'll start with Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 1960.149, "end": 1961.303, "text": "Um, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 1961.367, "end": 1963.145, "text": "Thanks for those updates, uh, C. Lee.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 1963.434, "end": 1973.276, "text": "And I, um, yeah, have been running into some of the immigration attorneys and they're struggling to get access to their clients right now.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 1973.406, "end": 1978.706, "text": "So it's definitely an issue that's— I'm seeing ramp up right now and I'm keeping an eye on.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 1979.986, "end": 1989.702, "text": "The other thing I had a question on that wasn't in your report, but I'm just flagging for future reports, is do we know when the procurement disparity study is going to be done?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 1992.503, "end": 1997.139, "text": "Yes, we just— if I can get my mic back on— we just had a conversation.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 1997.188, "end": 2000.841, "text": "I'm going to ask Tracy Oh, thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2012.616, "end": 2013.651, "text": "Thank you, City Administrator.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2013.732, "end": 2017.626, "text": "For the record, Tracy Warren, Deputy City Administrator for City Operations.", "speaker": "Tracy Warren" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2017.822, "end": 2020.903, "text": "Um, I had a recent conversation with our procurement office.", "speaker": "Tracy Warren" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2021.787, "end": 2025.246, "text": "Um, we've received some preliminary information that we're reviewing.", "speaker": "Tracy Warren" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2025.764, "end": 2030.468, "text": "We are hoping to finalize Sometime mid-November, late November.", "speaker": "Tracy Warren" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2031.078, "end": 2031.801, "text": "Okay, that's great.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2031.881, "end": 2032.234, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2032.443, "end": 2036.377, "text": "Um, I hope that when we get that, it would be great to have a summary of that in your report as well.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2037.212, "end": 2046.717, "text": "I had some staff that were able to attend the Community Economic Coalition for Minority Chambers of Commerce, and that was something that they brought up of wanting to have more information.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2046.83, "end": 2049.174, "text": "So I'd love to see some of that in the future.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2049.399, "end": 2050.009, "text": "But thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2051.486, "end": 2052.209, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2052.433, "end": 2052.995, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2053.653, "end": 2054.873, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2055.082, "end": 2061.453, "text": "Um, great report, really appreciate reading all different aspects, but I have a question about the Performance Lab.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2061.983, "end": 2072.672, "text": "Um, can you just maybe talk a little bit more about how you decide where to focus the effort or how to prioritize where to focus the effort?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2072.833, "end": 2084.664, "text": "What I have requested of the Performance Lab is really working with all bureaus to really come up with 3 to 5 performance measures that really tell the story of how their overall bureau is reporting.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2085.274, "end": 2098.97, "text": "What we're really trying to push bureaus in this organization to is really an outcome-based organization and really trying to determine what are the outcomes that we're trying to deliver upon and how are we doing that as a city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2099.564, "end": 2110.531, "text": "We also have our executive leadership dashboard that we are creating as well to really look at those high-level performance indicators that are really telling the story of how we're performing as a city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2111.109, "end": 2120.966, "text": "And we will be using that data to really try to gauge overall objectives, goals, and how we're achieving those things in the long-term strategy.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2121.48, "end": 2138.273, "text": "I think as we build towards our strategic planning process, this will become even a bigger endeavor because we will be looking at performance measures that really show us, are we achieving the goals and objectives within Our strategic plan strategy.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2138.739, "end": 2143.65, "text": "We're just starting the beginning stages of the internal work that needs to be done for the city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2144.131, "end": 2157.083, "text": "So we're not just counting widgets, but we're actually looking at gauging our overall performance as a city and how we're meeting the needs of our end users, but also all Portlanders who are using our services.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2157.741, "end": 2158.576, "text": "I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2158.624, "end": 2170.317, "text": "I'm just wondering too, at what point will you be sharing that or involving the council in that, particularly those of us that Great question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2170.413, "end": 2177.367, "text": "I think as we were looking at rolling this out, we want to really start having a lot of these conversations as we start having the budget conversation.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2177.944, "end": 2186.164, "text": "You know, we'll be starting earlier this year in those conversations to really talk through some of the metrics from a performance standpoint.", "speaker": "Raymond C. 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2297.052, "end": 2297.421, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2297.518, "end": 2315.504, "text": "And could you, since we're on the subject of OHR and I mentioned the Ascenta Danielle work, do you know when that the phase of that work Related to the mayor's executive order is likely to come to council, either the update on the part that's not a council decision but just an update, or the part about code that might require council votes?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2315.922, "end": 2320.114, "text": "I'm not sure if we have a date to come back to council, but I believe that's something we can work on.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2320.162, "end": 2326.554, "text": "We can work either with one of the committees or the council president to try to get something on the calendar for us to have that conversation.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2326.891, "end": 2328.272, "text": "Yeah, I don't need an exact date.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2328.321, "end": 2331.307, "text": "I'm just wondering if— are we looking at next year Kind of.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2331.868, "end": 2332.717, "text": "I, I don't know yet.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2332.765, "end": 2344.307, "text": "That's why I say I, I'm open to have that conversation to see when we can get on the calendar to actually have that conversation, because I think it is actually a good conversation to have, uh, with everyone, uh, at the table.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2344.948, "end": 2345.204, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2345.813, "end": 2349.693, "text": "Um, similar question on the timeline for a different item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2349.901, "end": 2355.463, "text": "Um, there's a mention of PGE Harborton and, uh, the next step being on October 14th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2355.928, "end": 2362.385, "text": "It mentions in there that it might get appealed Uh, whatever outcome the hearings officer decides on might get appealed to City Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2362.433, "end": 2365.045, "text": "Do you have a rough idea of when that might come back to us?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2367.676, "end": 2368.402, "text": "I have, uh—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2369.87, "end": 2370.58, "text": "I can speak to that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2371.048, "end": 2371.677, "text": "Okay, go ahead.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2371.855, "end": 2377.5, "text": "Um, so Oregon land use law requires that we make a decision within 120 days unless the applicant signs a waiver.", "speaker": "Robert Taylor" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2378.143, "end": 2383.838, "text": "Um, PG&E has not signed a waiver, so, uh, my understanding is the 120th day is actually December 31st.", "speaker": "Robert Taylor" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2385.63, "end": 2391.723, "text": "So unless PGE signs a waiver, it will be sometime in December.", "speaker": "Robert Taylor" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2392.43, "end": 2393.507, "text": "Great, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2397.907, "end": 2408.981, "text": "The P5 RFP went out, and I just wanted— and I know there's been some conversation behind the scenes, but I don't know the answer myself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2409.567, "end": 2416.487, "text": "Was internal operations of P5 ever considered before an RFP went out?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2417.177, "end": 2417.882, "text": "Yes, it was.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2418.475, "end": 2434.585, "text": "We did convene a staff from HR, IT, even labor relations in that conversation to really look at the costs associated with bringing in those union groups into the city as part of our operational piece of it.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2435.708, "end": 2444.011, "text": "We did see through that analysis an increase, a significant increase in the operational cost of the city be able to do that.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2444.508, "end": 2460.205, "text": "And we even questioned some of the subject matter expertise that we had to actually manage that operation with the timeframe that we have from the standpoint of when Metro was ending their portion of this agreement and it transitioning over to the city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2460.734, "end": 2470.579, "text": "It still is an option for us to have to consider though, Councilor, if we're not successful in RFP process and rolling it out and finding a bidder.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2470.659, "end": 2471.589, "text": "But it's something that we're—.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2471.589, "end": 2471.685, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2471.75, "end": 2478.624, "text": "We're constantly having the conversation right now about what that would look like if we're not successful in the RFP process.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2480.274, "end": 2481.293, "text": "Okay, that, that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2481.39, "end": 2481.649, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2482.361, "end": 2486.519, "text": "Um, so 2 comments and then I'll close out a question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2486.567, "end": 2496.252, "text": "I'll get back in the queue later, but, uh, appreciate the shoutouts to CHAT for their regular collaboration, Blanchet House, and, uh, PSR for the award from the Veterans Affairs, uh, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2496.996, "end": 2499.56, "text": "Um, would love to get Some sort of update.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2499.608, "end": 2513.694, "text": "I imagine it'll be coming to the, um, to the, uh, Public Works Committee with relation to the Vision Zero stats showing a return to 2024 levels, um, and, uh, to get an opportunity to have some time there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2514.127, "end": 2517.083, "text": "Um, this may be more of a request for, uh, Chair Clark, sorry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2517.5, "end": 2522.174, "text": "Uh, and, uh, to get to really get a chance to assess and, and dig into the why.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2522.801, "end": 2528.401, "text": "Um, and then I'll mention And just on page 18, I really appreciate that the budget note tracker remains.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2528.834, "end": 2535.812, "text": "I still am seeing 2 of my budget notes from '25-'26, Canal 8 and Canal 13, marked as complete when they were not.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2536.517, "end": 2539.116, "text": "Um, so I brought this up a couple times.", "speaker": 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someone I've known for most of my life, and she said she lives right at the end of that bridge, and she hasn't seen a young child navigate that bridge for years.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2676.896, "end": 2684.411, "text": "And so she like blew up my phone saying that she saw a child without an adult escort using the bridge at the end of last week.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2685.213, "end": 2686.819, "text": "Now we just have to stay on it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2687.477, "end": 2688.296, "text": "And so I just wanted to lift that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2688.344, "end": 2688.505, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2689.68, "end": 2696.73, "text": "And I'll keep my other colleagues in D2, I'm sure, also care about this issue.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2696.79, "end": 2697.72, "text": "Thanks so much.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2698.25, "end": 2699.83, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2699.83, "end": 2702.13, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2702.13, "end": 2703.23, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2703.73, "end": 2705.85, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Lee, for the report.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2706.45, "end": 2713.49, "text": "I've got— I've just got a few questions about the Appendix D. I appreciate the procurement reports.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2713.49, "end": 2715.89, "text": "I think just one stylistic note, I think the language in the I report is think a little bit confusing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2716.53, "end": 2723.536, "text": "The image that's been pasted in is truncated and it looks like $20,000 over 30 days, but I think that's very clearly $20 million.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2723.731, "end": 2728.48, "text": "So just maybe check that going forward.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2730.07, "end": 2736.596, "text": "But I do want to get into a substantive question, which is really sort of— I see a number of what look like change orders.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2737.93, "end": 2749.411, "text": "And, you know, in particular, I'm going to point to Amendment 3 to price agreement, you know, There's a long string of numbers, but it's a Portland Water Bureau contractor, CMTS LLC.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2750.276, "end": 2758.272, "text": "And 3 amendments seem to suggest maybe there's 3 change orders, and then this project is getting more expensive.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2758.528, "end": 2770.529, "text": "And I think I'd like to get a handle on when we put out a bid for work at X-dollar budget, how can we understand what the final expenditure is because of the nature of these change orders?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2771.589, "end": 2779.844, "text": "I think that's going to be really helpful for us to understand how we deal with our cost control over time and how we approach external contracting more broadly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2780.358, "end": 2796.9, "text": "I understand sometimes it's appropriate to do it and sometimes it saves the city money, but I do worry that there's a number of pieces here that if you don't really know what to look at and, you know, what the nature of it is, and, you know, we can get projects that balloon out in cost.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2796.997, "end": 2798.584, "text": "Councilor So that's a—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2798.728, "end": 2800.716, "text": "I don't know if you have an answer right now, probably not, but—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2801.951, "end": 2810.014, "text": "And if my memory serves me correctly, and we'll follow up, but I believe what these change orders are related to is the Bull Run project.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2810.35, "end": 2814.294, "text": "Uh, if that's correct, they are related to the Bull Run project.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2814.39, "end": 2821.395, "text": "These change orders were the actual work that council had already approved when we increased the budget for Bull Run.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2821.748, "end": 2823.367, "text": "These are just the change orders for the work.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2824.154, "end": 2831.619, "text": "To get those projects completed that were associated with the actual appropriation that council already changed.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2831.941, "end": 2837.078, "text": "But I'll follow up in detail to make sure the ones that you're referring to are related to the Bull Run project.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2837.464, "end": 2841.927, "text": "That would be really helpful, and that would make sense here given the scale.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2843.42, "end": 2852.104, "text": "I do— that actually reminds me, so there's been some conversation about that oversight advisory body that wasn't set up in the past.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2852.955, "end": 2853.42, "text": "It's coming.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 2854.238, "end": 2863.768, "text": "I would think that that body really should be able to communicate to the public and council what these change orders are, what's going on, what's driving the cost.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 2863.816, "end": 2869.448, "text": "Because I mean, council did approve the budget increase, but I want to make sure we're not approving another budget increase.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 2870.122, "end": 2870.667, "text": "You and I both.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 2871.116, "end": 2873.218, "text": "Okay, so thank you for that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 2873.266, "end": 2874.919, "text": "And then there's another one, looks like BES.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 2875.656, "end": 2878.877, "text": "And it's like there's 3 different price agreements for Green Street repair.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2878.957, "end": 2889.372, "text": "I don't know if that's the name of a street or if it's like a sort of a carbon sink type of— I don't know, but I'm curious why there's 3 different awards for the same dollar amount.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2889.612, "end": 2891.904, "text": "We'll follow up with you on that one.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2892.192, "end": 2892.352, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2892.448, "end": 2893.826, "text": "Most definitely.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 2894.003, "end": 2902.479, "text": "And then the last one is, again, I see a nearly $3 million award for some off-the-shelf software and related services.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 2903.939, "end": 2916.872, "text": "So it's a lot of money, and I know that there's efforts to sort of rein in our overall BTS costs, but really trying to understand, um, where that is in scale, I think would be helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 2917.177, "end": 2918.67, "text": "We'll add that to the list to follow up on.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 2918.814, "end": 2919.536, "text": "All right, thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 2920.403, "end": 2921.093, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 2921.43, "end": 2922.056, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 2923.034, "end": 2923.676, "text": "Uh, thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 2923.853, "end": 2925.73, "text": "I was looking through a report and I missed the name.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 2925.778, "end": 2930.175, "text": "You mentioned somebody coming over from the City of Tigard for— I think you said Public Works.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 2930.588, "end": 2931.22, "text": "Yes, Emily.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 2932.143, "end": 2932.435, "text": "Emily.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 2933.116, "end": 2933.942, "text": "Does Emily have a last name?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 2933.991, "end": 2934.153, "text": "Fritsch.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 2934.558, "end": 2935.061, "text": "Great, okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 2935.547, "end": 2938.269, "text": "And she's gonna be the— can you say the position again?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 2938.853, "end": 2940.066, "text": "Chief Asset Officer.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 2940.147, "end": 2941.085, "text": "Great, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 2942.007, "end": 2945.841, "text": "As a former Deputy City Manager over there, I'm sure she's coming with great pedigree.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 2945.906, "end": 2947.313, "text": "That's awesome.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 2948.575, "end": 2952.048, "text": "I wanted to heap some praise on the city and on Public Works.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 2953.825, "end": 2970.398, "text": "Councilor Clark and I this weekend were able to join the businesses around Harvey Milk and 12th Avenue and the opening of Pride Plaza, and the city's help in that area has just been really commendable.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 2970.815, "end": 2972.387, "text": "And it's been a rough few years.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 2972.499, "end": 2975.418, "text": "We've opened, we've closed, we've cleaned up, we've repainted, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 2975.482, "end": 2978.865, "text": "It's been a lot going on, and it's a historic area for my community.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 2978.93, "end": 2988.439, "text": "And so DCA Williams was there, so it was great to have her and great to have other members of the PBOT team there, and it was really a special event.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 2988.487, "end": 2989.961, "text": "So So I just wanted to say thank you for that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 2990.803, "end": 2994.595, "text": "And these things take a lot of care and feeding to make them successful when we do do them.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 2995.485, "end": 2996.374, "text": "So appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 2997.052, "end": 3021.895, "text": "And then I have one request, and it's just for a consideration of how we do future work, is having come from the world of, you know, the council manager, former government, I'm fairly used to a council will pass a resolution requesting That the city administrator and of course the rest of the city work on an ordinance, for instance.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3022.969, "end": 3024.524, "text": "We're in an interesting practice here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3024.588, "end": 3025.726, "text": "We haven't really done that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3025.79, "end": 3041.869, "text": "And the reason most cities have that is it's kind of a backstop for how much work will a bureau or other offices do on behalf of a councilor, an individual councilor, before it takes the body saying we want to work on this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3041.917, "end": 3041.965, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3043.572, "end": 3053.803, "text": "What's happening now is that individual councilors work a lot on ordinances, and sometimes that's with our legal department, and I think that's very much within the bounds, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3053.852, "end": 3054.928, "text": "There's almost no end to that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3055.554, "end": 3072.665, "text": "But when that work involves significant amount of work with a department, most cities have a policy or at least a guiding principle for where do we cross the threshold into new assignment of work, and that threshold requires a resolution by the City Council.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3072.729, "end": 3094.217, "text": "We haven't gotten that yet, and I think as you come up on the end of your first year and you've got a sense for like how work happens here, I hope that will be one of the recommendations as we head into the new year for, um, okay, we see you want to work on this, we can give you a few guiding points, but to, to, for me to reallocate a bureau to work on a new ordinance, it's going to take a resolution by council to do that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 3094.281, "end": 3094.457, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 3095.685, "end": 3100.445, "text": "I'd like to see something come if you think that that would be a responsible manner in the future.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 3100.526, "end": 3115.264, "text": "I think it will help us kind of clear up some of the confusion that I experienced, and I think others maybe do, of bureaus spending time on councilor projects, whether they be holistic projects or pet projects.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 3115.489, "end": 3118.113, "text": "And I think that that's an important kind of test point for us.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3118.58, "end": 3119.466, "text": "So I do appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3119.546, "end": 3121.075, "text": "It doesn't prevent councilors from bringing anything they want.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3121.124, "end": 3121.317, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3121.616, "end": 3124.488, "text": "But it does protect city services and city time.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3125.146, "end": 3128.194, "text": "Um, and I think that your professionalism can bring some thought around that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3128.274, "end": 3130.937, "text": "It's new for the City of Portland, and everybody's still trying to figure it out.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3131.018, "end": 3131.274, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3131.724, "end": 3131.996, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3133.344, "end": 3134.146, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3134.307, "end": 3134.836, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3135.911, "end": 3136.922, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3137.515, "end": 3141.366, "text": "Uh, thank you, City Administrator Lee, for your report.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3141.703, "end": 3144.864, "text": "I want to go back to something you said you were bringing into your office.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3145.521, "end": 3157.008, "text": "It was a new Portlanders who So what I'm trying to figure out, what is the difference between that new person that you're bringing into your office and our immigration and what Brenda does?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3158.508, "end": 3161.837, "text": "Brenda is that person that came from the mayor's office to my office.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3161.917, "end": 3164.648, "text": "Okay, so that's in— okay, you're talking about Brenda?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3164.826, "end": 3165.149, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3165.214, "end": 3166.538, "text": "Okay, I was like, who is that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3166.603, "end": 3169.904, "text": "What is— how is that gonna jive with Brenda?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3170.291, "end": 3174.75, "text": "So the other, um, question I have for you is what about the unspent art funds.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3176.08, "end": 3178.157, "text": "Have we decided what we're going to do with that yet?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3179.917, "end": 3181.146, "text": "I don't believe so.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3181.534, "end": 3182.569, "text": "I'd have to look—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3182.569, "end": 3184.46, "text": "Was it $9 million or something like that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3185.01, "end": 3186.336, "text": "I'd have to take a look at it and see.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3186.481, "end": 3190.085, "text": "Let me follow up on that one, Councilor, and then I can report back out on it.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3190.344, "end": 3191.2, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3191.329, "end": 3191.587, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3192.524, "end": 3193.315, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3193.896, "end": 3194.365, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3196.738, "end": 3197.675, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3197.724, "end": 3199.551, "text": "I have a 3 other questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3199.971, "end": 3207.249, "text": "Um, so in Appendix F, there's a, uh, note about, you know, the, the contract expiration date.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3207.33, "end": 3212.27, "text": "One of the ones, the only one that I think is noted for 2026, is, uh, December 15th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3212.334, "end": 3214.255, "text": "The Rapid Response Bioclean contract is up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3215.224, "end": 3222.381, "text": "Um, this is a topic of, of pretty high, uh, public interest, um, around, um, the work report on solutions, things like that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3222.51, "end": 3239.28, "text": "Um, and I'm curious as to What the plan is— this is sort of a 2-parter— what the plan is for council input engagement, and separately, what's the plan for public input and/or engagement as it relates to the idea of, do we need this work to be the way it is, or should it change in some way?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3239.345, "end": 3244.203, "text": "And then separately, and I think it may be less than the latter, who the contractor should be.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3244.267, "end": 3245.055, "text": "How does that work?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3245.152, "end": 3250.909, "text": "Is there a plan for how to reconsider— how to consider this as part of the conversation about renewal?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3251.427, "end": 3254.268, "text": "There may be one, but I'm just not aware of it.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3254.316, "end": 3258.633, "text": "I'd have to follow up with our Portland Solutions staff to kind of verify what that is.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3258.73, "end": 3264.171, "text": "And with the expiration of that contract being really right around the corner, what's the plan?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3264.684, "end": 3274.651, "text": "'Cause typically when contracts are like that or around the corner for expiration, we already have an RFP already in the process to either extension or extend it, or we're no longer doing that service.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3274.715, "end": 3279.627, "text": "So let me follow up with that staff and then have a conversation after that.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3279.691, "end": 3279.787, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3280.397, "end": 3282.787, "text": "And I don't mean to imply that there should be a change to anything.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3282.884, "end": 3287.408, "text": "I just want to make sure that that's something that's evaluated, uh, as opposed to just assumed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3287.873, "end": 3288.21, "text": "Gotcha.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3289.141, "end": 3296.072, "text": "Um, with relation to the claims, um, I have a lot that I'm, I'm interested in getting more info on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3296.136, "end": 3297.532, "text": "I really appreciate how much is in there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3298.366, "end": 3304.286, "text": "Um, there's a couple questions, like in, on, in the middle of page 28, there's an item marked as the Office of the City Attorney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3304.495, "end": 3314.543, "text": "We've had a couple in the past where, uh, it was marked as either the mayor, councilor, city attorney when it didn't necessarily occur there, but they're just the ones who handled it or ended up sort of managing it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3314.639, "end": 3314.864, "text": "And I'm—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3315.04, "end": 3316.835, "text": "In that particular case, I'm curious about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3316.883, "end": 3326.385, "text": "There's some, um, uh, last line of page 28 has a refusal to approve permits, uh, violates their constitutional rights allegation that's marked as claim denied.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3326.449, "end": 3327.908, "text": "And I think there's, there's some interest there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3328.581, "end": 3332.733, "text": "Uh, a couple on, uh, allegations of injuries sitting in the back of of PPV vehicles.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3332.861, "end": 3341.692, "text": "I want to follow up on all of those, but I, I think, um, the one that I wanted to ask is about— it's on page 32 near the bottom.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3341.901, "end": 3353.43, "text": "There's something marked as the Office of Budget and Finance that says in the description that Portland Police failed to cite a driver that damaged the, um, the claimant's vehicle.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3354.747, "end": 3357.107, "text": "And I'm curious because this one resulted in a plaintiff's verdict.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3357.171, "end": 3357.219, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3359.355, "end": 3375.203, "text": "Several bicycle crashes have been brought up to us, and including here, where the complaint was partially about the fact that there was a collision in the first place, where a car struck the person on their bicycle.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3375.636, "end": 3381.706, "text": "But the reason that it was coming to us as a complaint is that there was no citation issued.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3381.995, "end": 3382.38, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3383.169, "end": 3401.694, "text": "And given that there has now been a judgment against us for at least one of those situations, I'm curious if you could follow up and see if there will be any change in practice around the idea of citing drivers who collide with bicyclists, um, you know, outside of—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3401.694, "end": 3407.333, "text": "Yeah, yeah, I believe that's something most definitely we can look into and follow up.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3408.082, "end": 3408.311, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3408.408, "end": 3414.995, "text": "And then the last question, I just wanted to follow up on Councilor Clark's I have a follow-up to Councilor Clark's original question around the performance lab.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3415.252, "end": 3415.911, "text": "It's a big step.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3415.959, "end": 3418.416, "text": "I'm really happy that there is a performance office.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3419.316, "end": 3423.685, "text": "And my question was going to be, what are the— how are we deciding the metrics?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3424.07, "end": 3429.403, "text": "Given the response there, I really want to push back on the idea that bureaus should be setting their own metrics.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3430.254, "end": 3437.579, "text": "I think we need to have this be related to the strategic priority setting of the city, our core values, and all that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3437.643, "end": 3445.319, "text": "When bureaus set their own goals, we end up with With sometimes things that council, or frankly just the public, believes should be being done.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3445.832, "end": 3452.416, "text": "It's fairly obvious which bureau or bureaus should be doing it, and then it's not done because that's not a priority of that given bureau director.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3452.576, "end": 3463.109, "text": "We also have the possibility of whiplash in the sense that a bureau director could change and now there's a new set of priorities, which has occurred in the past as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3463.189, "end": 3468.183, "text": "So I just, I wanted to kind of dig deeper on how we're going to be establishing KPIs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3468.231, "end": 3468.295, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3469.113, "end": 3472.431, "text": "I think that the bureau director's input should be one of several inputs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3472.479, "end": 3474.034, "text": "I think it's a very valid thing to ask for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3474.307, "end": 3476.727, "text": "I just don't want it to be the only thing or the primary thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3476.807, "end": 3476.936, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3477.352, "end": 3499.987, "text": "And I think ultimately we're in this transitional period and during this transitional period, more than likely it would be me kind of making that final decision for the bureaus of kind of what makes sense from a performance measure and do I see it hitting the mark of really telling the story of the operations and the service delivery that's supposed to take place for that bureau.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3500.452, "end": 3510.145, "text": "I think the bigger question is really going to be around that strategic planning process and the priority setting that council will be setting during that process.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3510.706, "end": 3520.72, "text": "And we'll be coming back to council and saying, hey, these are measures that we think really hit home of telling the story if we're achieving that as a priority for the city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3521.859, "end": 3527.235, "text": "And I think that's the real thing that we'll be having conversations as we come through the budgeting process.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3527.797, "end": 3532.036, "text": "Through the budgeting calendar of really having those conversations with council.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3532.293, "end": 3542.408, "text": "But a much broader question regarding key performance indicators and performance measures for the city will be done through that strategic planning process.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3542.746, "end": 3549.136, "text": "We're just trying to figure out what's the stopgap, because we're still trying to change the culture of the city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3549.57, "end": 3563.496, "text": "The culture of the city has not always been from the standpoint of having these key performance indicators or performance measures to be able to tell the story of the successes or the failures or the opportunities for growth for the city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3563.849, "end": 3580.675, "text": "So I think council is and will be engaged in that conversation, but I'm just trying to get the culture of the organization there to kind of really tell the difference between counting widgets, what are the key performance indicators, and what are performance measures, because those are all 3 different things that tell different stories.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3580.723, "end": 3580.819, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3581.397, "end": 3584.734, "text": "Councilor Kanal, can I just interrupt for a second or just build on what you're saying?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3585.023, "end": 3591.169, "text": "I don't think that our strategic planning process, though, is going to be complete before we start this new budget round.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3591.217, "end": 3594.442, "text": "So we're in that transition period, as you said.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3595.293, "end": 3595.549, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3595.694, "end": 3605.674, "text": "And hopefully, as we are going through this budgeting process and bureaus will be coming before the council, because it'll be a different process than what we did last year.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3606.188, "end": 3612.51, "text": "We're trying to get ahead of the curve from the standpoint of having bureaus and the CA report come to council beforehand.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3612.623, "end": 3617.454, "text": "So we're starting these conversations a lot earlier than what we did last year.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3618.24, "end": 3634.595, "text": "The mayor's proposed budget will still be on that kind of same timeframe, but council will be getting some previews into some of the conversations related kind of how are our bureaus performing, what are the key things that we're looking at, hearing those conversations from council.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3635.091, "end": 3637.425, "text": "As well will kind of help set that tone.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3637.862, "end": 3651.102, "text": "We're in this little tricky phase as well too, because if you remember last year, we had our priority setting conversation that council went through to kind of really set their priorities.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3651.522, "end": 3663.356, "text": "I would've much preferred to have that conversation before we start the budget season, but since we're right in the midst of election season, it wasn't advantageous for us to go ahead and start that conversation.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3663.405, "end": 3663.454, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3663.967, "end": 3668.289, "text": "So we'll know which body we have and which body will be setting those priorities.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3668.337, "end": 3675.214, "text": "So we'll much prefer to get into these priority setting conversations much earlier in the fall timeframe.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3675.616, "end": 3689.706, "text": "So as the mayor's guidance to the city is coming out, as we are looking at kind of what are those key outcomes that we're trying to deliver upon, we have the council's priorities that are working in line in conjunction with that.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3689.771, "end": 3689.867, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3690.478, "end": 3692.148, "text": "And what are those performance measures?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3692.245, "end": 3700.166, "text": "And we can have those conversations with council that we're looking at and evaluating to be able to see how are we hitting the mark or we're not hitting the mark.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3700.615, "end": 3714.047, "text": "And that will be a council conversation with us as well regarding are these measures really hitting what we are using to be able to gauge our success or our opportunities for growth as a city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3715.011, "end": 3718.607, "text": "Okay, so just to follow up on I just want to jump in and clarify that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3718.671, "end": 3727.527, "text": "When you're talking about the strategic planning process, that's bigger than just what council did in the beginning of this year, which is a strategic priority setting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3727.591, "end": 3727.688, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3728.233, "end": 3734.442, "text": "And it's a process where— by the way, this was something that kept being brought up by the transition team when we all took office as this thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3734.49, "end": 3741.935, "text": "It's not written down in the same way that it was presented to us as a big forthcoming plan when the new city administrator got here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 3742.24, "end": 3753.247, "text": "Obviously, a few weeks after that, we extended, you know, the hiring process got pushed from what was planned to be July 1st, 2025 to when it obviously happened in January of 2026.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 3753.601, "end": 3754.375, "text": "So I'm excited for this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 3754.536, "end": 3758.824, "text": "I understand the need to move it to a time that makes sense to inform the budget process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 3759.372, "end": 3763.542, "text": "But I'm still unclear on sort of who's in the driver's seat on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 3764.48, "end": 3770.825, "text": "And I would love some clarity down the line as to who is leading what part of that work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 3772.09, "end": 3774.354, "text": "Strategy is a legislative directional piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 3774.498, "end": 3780.985, "text": "I think it's pretty clear, you know, in terms of how things are then implemented, that there's an administrative piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 3781.402, "end": 3789.495, "text": "And so this is kind of one of the several places where we're still talking about how broad is broad enough to be council, how narrow is narrow enough that it has to be administration.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 3789.543, "end": 3796.126, "text": "And I'd just love to have that conversation before it's— there's a plan put in place that picks up a place to put that line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3796.19, "end": 3796.367, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3797.45, "end": 3798.532, "text": "Does that make sense?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3799.34, "end": 3800.197, "text": "It makes sense.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 3800.617, "end": 3816.964, "text": "I would say from a best management practice, you typically have your administrative group really lead that process, but you're always seeking council's insight and guidance in that conversation because the staff are the ones that's doing the work every day, all day.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 3819.041, "end": 3826.672, "text": "But you got to have that input from the city council as it relates to Is that resonating from a performance matrix standpoint?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 3827.025, "end": 3833.175, "text": "And is that really hitting home to the constituents that you are representing and the Portlanders that you're representing?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 3833.512, "end": 3836.466, "text": "Do they even understand what that means to them?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 3836.514, "end": 3857.964, "text": "So I think as we look at kind of performance measures and how we're performing overall as a city, I think the staff have to lead to a certain point, but it has to be some council engagement and input in that to make sure that is resonating or that even hitting the mark on the policy decisions that are being made by council.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 3858.332, "end": 3861.121, "text": "Okay, so I think that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 3861.217, "end": 3865.015, "text": "I think best practices in other cities are, are very relevant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 3865.351, "end": 3883.406, "text": "There's one— there's a deviation, I think, between sort of the direction that has been desired by the public and the direction, at least A handful, maybe more, of, of bureaus in terms of the direction that's been set, not by the rank-and-file staff, but by historical leadership that's mostly not even here anymore, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 3883.872, "end": 3890.755, "text": "And so I think that the way that— that, that's not just an assertion, it's, it's backed up by the fact that we changed our whole form of government for a reason.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 3891.269, "end": 3896.483, "text": "And so I, I think it, it makes sense to, to have a greater role for the public's representatives in it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 3896.563, "end": 3899.42, "text": "And I would hope that we're not just assuming that piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 3899.628, "end": 3900.174, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 3900.254, "end": 3920.352, "text": "Um, my last question is not directly related to the report, but as a, um, sort of adjacent piece to it and, and, and building off the last piece, do you think it's appropriate for council to be directed to submit public records requests to get information out of the bureaus?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 3921.658, "end": 3925.304, "text": "Um, this has been something— not, not for work requests.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 3925.53, "end": 3932.548, "text": "I, I recognize what Councilor Zimmerman was talking about earlier in that space, but in terms of just understanding You have a report, can I have it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 3934.237, "end": 3938.483, "text": "Is that something that, that you have given direction about to the, to the bureaus?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 3938.612, "end": 3955.978, "text": "It's some conversation that we've been having internally as it relates to the oversight component of what council is providing, as it relates to any oversight hearing that may be presented of how we're capturing that information and how we're tracking the time associated with gathering that information.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 3956.509, "end": 3968.066, "text": "I think if you're asking for a report as councilors, for something that has already been created, no, there shouldn't be any open records requests asked of staff to be able to do that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 3968.723, "end": 3985.635, "text": "If you're asking for communication, emails, you know, things that we might not have readily at right hand to us, then I think we have to look at what is that process to gather that information and make sure we're getting into council in a timely manner.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 3985.795, "end": 3994.039, "text": "And that it's not just getting lost in the ether of all the rest of the information that are coming through From the standpoint of requesting for information.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 3994.472, "end": 4000.46, "text": "So I think it really depends on the context of how that request is coming through and the process.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4000.893, "end": 4007.636, "text": "I just had a conversation 2 weeks ago with my leadership team regarding, hey, we gotta figure this out.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4008.422, "end": 4014.314, "text": "'Cause I didn't, you know, I'll use Councilor Zimmerman and his request for information that came through.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4014.442, "end": 4018.632, "text": "I don't like the fact that we have these things and we don't have a process Yes.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4018.937, "end": 4023.111, "text": "To really say, hey, I'm acknowledging receipt of this request.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4023.384, "end": 4026.145, "text": "And then what is the process to process that?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4026.483, "end": 4035.296, "text": "We do have that for open records requests, but we don't have that really for us as an internal use of how we're handling these type of matters.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4035.794, "end": 4041.718, "text": "And keep in mind, having 12 councilors can even add even more to that conversation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4042.072, "end": 4049.432, "text": "So I think it's something that I've started the initial conversations with our leadership team of saying, hey, we got to figure this process out.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4049.753, "end": 4057.221, "text": "I'm not looking for, you know, nitpicking every little thing that council sends out from the standpoint of saying, oh, this needs to be an open records request.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4057.685, "end": 4067.605, "text": "And I believe we should be able to be responsive because that's the biggest thing in my values that I'm trying to stress to the city is being responsive to these type of things.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4067.877, "end": 4068.999, "text": "We have to figure that out.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4069.304, "end": 4074.023, "text": "So I wouldn't say I have I don't have my mind made up of what that process is.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4074.681, "end": 4082.038, "text": "I think there's different things that are taking place as it relates to oversight that takes place from council in our oversight hearings.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4082.086, "end": 4092.993, "text": "And there's also that occasional, hey, do you have a report that was sent out to the city on such and such date that should be able to be responded to in a timely fashion by staff?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4093.715, "end": 4100.468, "text": "Yeah, and I guess just to put up one particular finer point, this isn't the only concern, but Is the intention to charge us?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4102.579, "end": 4102.676, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4103.888, "end": 4107.961, "text": "Okay, um, I, I think that's important to note, especially with the people in the room right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4108.54, "end": 4113.328, "text": "Um, I, I just— I'll just end on a comment, which is Charter 2-109.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4113.617, "end": 4116.557, "text": "Um, and I'm speaking as the chair of, of a committee that's referenced here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4116.686, "end": 4135.447, "text": "In aid of its legislative function, the council or a committee of the council duly authorized by it may investigate any board or department of the city government and any official acts of Sorry, the official acts and conduct of any city officer, employee, or agent for the purposes of ascertaining facts in connection with such investigation shall have full power to compel the attendance and testimony of witnesses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4135.495, "end": 4136.218, "text": "And it goes on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4136.603, "end": 4143.346, "text": "But I, I don't— I think what we've managed to do so far is not get into the really formal things because we haven't had to.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4143.843, "end": 4147.552, "text": "And I've been being stonewalled right now, um, on several things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4147.6, "end": 4148.868, "text": "I've forwarded them to your office.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4149.446, "end": 4154.214, "text": "Um, and so I, I want to get to a place where that's not where we're not having to go to the charter text.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4154.68, "end": 4159.114, "text": "But I, I can tell you how it feels to be told to have to submit public records requests.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4159.339, "end": 4160.062, "text": "It doesn't feel great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4160.56, "end": 4163.865, "text": "So, uh, I need to get that on the record during this time, and I appreciate it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4163.93, "end": 4164.754, "text": "Thanks, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4164.964, "end": 4165.676, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4165.87, "end": 4166.322, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4168.699, "end": 4183.91, "text": "In the interest— I'm going to be brief because I think we've spent a lot of time on this item, but, um, I just wanted to flag— we follow up this conversation later before the end of the year That our, um, our contract authorization amount for Urban Alchemy will be exhausted by the end of fiscal year.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4184.615, "end": 4191.217, "text": "So, and that's not something that it can just be a city administrator action because there's no budget authority for it beyond this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4191.361, "end": 4201.233, "text": "I just, I want to put in the record now that we need to have a conversation as a council what to expect for the next budget and the year after that with, with our temporary alternative shelters.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4201.521, "end": 4210.595, "text": "Um, and then also, uh, the lift city bike share thing, I'd like to have a conversation about maybe, maybe looking for a different vendor there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4211.012, "end": 4211.253, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4212.504, "end": 4213.049, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4213.402, "end": 4214.139, "text": "Councilor Smith, last word.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4214.588, "end": 4214.941, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4216.384, "end": 4228.924, "text": "City Administrator, I'm looking at your report and I noticed that Prosper Portland has the vacant storefront grants that Dan Ryan was talking about, and then there's the $100,000 for grocery stores.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4229.277, "end": 4245.302, "text": "Now, it is my understanding That, um, and I've called and talked to Prosper about this, but I thought that those grants were going to go up to $500,000 for the grocery stores because Don McKeever in our district has been trying to get this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4245.414, "end": 4252.77, "text": "And if I'm not mistaken, they said that they were trying to get $500,000 from the city, and I know he put his application in.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4252.883, "end": 4256.191, "text": "So, so are we going above the $100,000?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4257.444, "end": 4259.713, "text": "Um, To help with that Parkrose.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4260.95, "end": 4261.114, "text": "This is—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4261.575, "end": 4263.995, "text": "Is this the same grant or is it a different grant?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4267.185, "end": 4268.33, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councilor.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4268.621, "end": 4269.766, "text": "Donnie Oliveira, for the record.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4270.395, "end": 4281.33, "text": "Uh, so Councilor, what you're referring to is, uh, work that Prosper has been engaged in Parkrose, East Portland, related to a particular site that is outside of the grant program that's listed in the city administration report.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4281.378, "end": 4283.087, "text": "That's outside the $100,000 grant.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4283.216, "end": 4287.54, "text": "That is a distinct pathway That we started actually before that grant program launched.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4287.54, "end": 4293.32, "text": "Okay, so he is still— because I was like, if he's going to be reduced to $100,000, he's not going to be able to do it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4293.46, "end": 4300.2, "text": "Yeah, so just being clear, yeah, different distinct project, uh, that's outside of the parameters of the grant program.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4300.2, "end": 4300.9, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4300.9, "end": 4301.36, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4301.36, "end": 4305.08, "text": "And Councilor Ryan, Andrew Fitzpatrick is, is the staff person to reach out to.", "speaker": "Donnie Oliveira" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4305.56, "end": 4308.06, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4308.1, "end": 4309.48, "text": "Councilor Knoll, one last word.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4310.04, "end": 4320.159, "text": "Yeah, just to flag, there's an Urban Alchemy, uh, related oversight hearing coming up that should be, uh, relevant, I hope, to the, um, conversation around, uh, contract renewal that Councilor Green brought up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 4320.223, "end": 4321.514, "text": "It's on November 5th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 4321.756, "end": 4321.982, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 4322.724, "end": 4323.466, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4323.514, "end": 4324.431, "text": "Thank you much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4324.48, "end": 4325.859, "text": "Thank you, City Administrator Lee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4326.138, "end": 4327.862, "text": "Can we please move to item number 5?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4331.86, "end": 4347.01, "text": "Document 2026-312, add bulk fuel terminal capacity reduction regulations code to reduce critical energy infrastructure Fuel storage by 2036 in support of hazard mitigation, add code chapter 17.112.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4347.186, "end": 4353.178, "text": "All right, colleagues, this is a continued first reading of our last item, of our item from last week, I guess.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4353.723, "end": 4362.646, "text": "Uh, it's a continued council meeting for item 2026-312, the ordinance for the bulk fuel terminal capacity reductions regulations.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4363.031, "end": 4365.114, "text": "The legislative record for this ordinance is closed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4365.594, "end": 4371.651, "text": "Based on council deliberations on possible amendments, council may decide to reopen the record for oral or written testimony at a future meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4372.228, "end": 4375.547, "text": "The purpose of today's meeting is to discuss proposed amendments to this ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4375.676, "end": 4387.574, "text": "As a reminder, last week council heard and amended the related land use item 2026-311, the recommended draft for CEI Hub policy project and amendments to the comp plan and Title 33.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4388.28, "end": 4392.674, "text": "We will return on November 5th to adopt findings, technical updates, etc.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4393.411, "end": 4398.464, "text": "Uh, colleagues, this is the week of the November elections, so please notify Council Operations if you plan to absent.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4399.186, "end": 4405.448, "text": "The legislative record for 2026-311 is closed for new testimony and will not be considered today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4406.074, "end": 4413.878, "text": "As for the last 2 weeks, the staff is available to answer questions and has slides running through proposed amendments to help us track what's happening if we need.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4414.36, "end": 4420.75, "text": "We are currently in consideration of Novick 1 regarding a commitment to utilize PSEF funds for transportation purposes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4421.264, "end": 4426.075, "text": "When we concluded last week, we had limited debate To those in the queue, and there were 2 remaining to speak.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4426.703, "end": 4429.904, "text": "Um, I am going to, uh, now move on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4430.081, "end": 4434.494, "text": "The 2 in the row that were in queue to speak were, uh, Councilor Kanal and then Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4435.156, "end": 4437.255, "text": "Uh, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4438.579, "end": 4439.144, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4439.435, "end": 4442.132, "text": "Um, Council President, just pulling up notes here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4442.197, "end": 4446.84, "text": "Sorry, um, have the wrong amendment open.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4446.969, "end": 4447.164, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4447.681, "end": 4449.833, "text": "Um, so we are in debate on Novick 1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4450.108, "end": 4451.31, "text": "I appreciate this Thank you, Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4451.31, "end": 4451.31, "text": "Councilor Mitch Green.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4451.31, "end": 4451.31, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4451.31, "end": 4451.31, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Jonas.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4451.31, "end": 4451.31, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Loretta Smith, for bringing this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4451.31, "end": 4460.07, "text": "We've talked in several committees, I think, at this point about the need to have transportation be a part of the conversation and a bigger one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4460.71, "end": 4469.87, "text": "As we've done so, I think there have been a few— this is one of those strange amendments where I have concern about the specific text but not the overall direction piece.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4469.87, "end": 4471.26, "text": "So I wanted to speak to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4472.43, "end": 4477.76, "text": "There are 3 parts of this, 3 parts of this amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4478.78, "end": 4482.599, "text": "The first one is that the state legislature is likely to override any drawdown requirement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4483.163, "end": 4485.532, "text": "I can't support the compliance in advance piece of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4486.048, "end": 4489.751, "text": "The idea that we're going to just capitulate because we think they might preempt us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4489.912, "end": 4496.275, "text": "Again, I've mentioned that there's data out there showing that when cities act, states become less likely to preempt.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4496.371, "end": 4498.443, "text": "And I don't— I sort of reject that premise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4500.564, "end": 4512.731, "text": "The second piece is I've been talking about the Reduction in demand not being something we directly mirror in here in terms of requiring that a drawdown be a mirror to demand.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4512.779, "end": 4516.065, "text": "I understand that there are folks who'd like that, and that's been a conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4516.818, "end": 4521.595, "text": "And then the third thing has been raised already around whether or not we should direct the PSEF committee in here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4522.124, "end": 4523.887, "text": "So those are my concerns with the text.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4524.352, "end": 4537.94, "text": "Having said all of that, I am actually very interested in this, and when it came up in the Climate Investment Plan amendment conversation, To have transportation be a bigger part of this, um, about— of, of what we spend PSF dollars on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4538.021, "end": 4540.172, "text": "I'm very supportive of that, and I continue to be.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4540.799, "end": 4553.275, "text": "And while I have the floor, I'll take the, the second to give a pipe dream that we, um, give some, some money from PSF to, uh, TriMet for ongoing operations as matching funds based upon increases from their highest budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4553.885, "end": 4569.176, "text": "Uh, and as a condition of that, we pursue an IGA where, uh, at least one of the members of the board is appointed by the I think we've had a lot of concern raised with TriMet around their inability to appoint people who are even TriMet users.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4569.918, "end": 4576.661, "text": "I think that was widely reported that 5 of the 7 members a couple years ago had not swiped their HopCard in the last year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4577.546, "end": 4583.57, "text": "I think having some direct tie to it will be helpful for us, especially if we're going to be putting in ongoing dollars.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4584.005, "end": 4586.746, "text": "I also think that there's been conversation that Councilor Novick has raised Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4587.083, "end": 4598.653, "text": "About some of the one-off, uh, capital, um, uh, contributions we could give from, from PSEF to, um, to TriMet for, for one-time usage.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4599.343, "end": 4602.248, "text": "Um, I do want to work through the committee to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4602.633, "end": 4603.243, "text": "I, I, I—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4603.355, "end": 4611.347, "text": "That's the piece to me that's, that's giving me the most pause here, is the idea of, um, sort of putting our thumb on the scale.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4611.475, "end": 4615.579, "text": "I, I recognize it's not written as a, as a requirement, And I appreciate that piece a lot.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4615.66, "end": 4619.583, "text": "But that's sort of where I'm coming from on this one, and I'm looking forward to hearing what colleagues have to say.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4620.132, "end": 4621.019, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4621.294, "end": 4622.052, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4624.666, "end": 4625.812, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4625.86, "end": 4647.281, "text": "I don't have my notes about what I was going to say as organized as Councilor Knoll did, um, but I believe I was in the queue just to make clear that while I, I can't support language that creates a minimum I do think it is important for us to be moving toward higher investments in transportation infrastructure.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4648.003, "end": 4654.707, "text": "I think there's a lot of ways we could be investing in decarbonizing our transportation system that we are not currently.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4655.525, "end": 4697.65, "text": "And I had mentioned last week and will reiterate now that if the, um, if the sponsor of this amendment were interested in language that less specific about meeting a 40% target and more in line with the language that I believe I read last week, that our investments in transportation are in line with the 40% emissions coming from the transportation sector, and that we increase the percent of Portland Clean Energy Fund dollars spent on transportation measures, that that's something I would certainly be able to support either in this legislation or as a Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4697.65, "end": 4699.01, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4699.89, "end": 4707.15, "text": "Councilors Novick and Smith, I have limited debate to those who were previously in the queue, but as a courtesy, I'll extend a quick comment to each of you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4707.15, "end": 4709.18, "text": "Councilor Novick and then Councilor Smith, and then we will move to a vote.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4710.15, "end": 4712.31, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4712.33, "end": 4714.81, "text": "First of all, I really appreciate Councilor Kanal's remarks.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4714.81, "end": 4744.043, "text": "I just wanted to say that although I wrote the language about the legislative preemptus in the actual amendment language, I also made clear last week the other point that I don't know that we would want to cause a fuel crisis and soaring gas prices by imposing a drawdown if we haven't given the people of Portland more opportunities to not buy gas by investing in transit and biking, walking infrastructure, and electric car infrastructure.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4745.455, "end": 4768.916, "text": "Also, in response to what Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just said, She did share some language with me last week, which I'd be willing to adopt if you— if the president allowed us to do sort of a substitute amendment, partly because I'd like to get at least one more vote and partly because I'm always more comfortable working as part of the vast Jewish conspiracy than working alone.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4771.51, "end": 4774.547, "text": "Councilor, if you would like to substitute the language on it, do you have it reduced to writing?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4776.853, "end": 4782.404, "text": "I believe I reduced it to writing last week, and if you give me about 2 minutes, I can find it, maybe less.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4782.886, "end": 4787.189, "text": "I would be happy to allow Councilor Novick to substitute the language.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4789.56, "end": 4792.459, "text": "And Councilor Smith, do you have a— okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4793.827, "end": 4794.968, "text": "Councilor Knoll, are you back in the queue?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4795.54, "end": 4795.654, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4796.292, "end": 4800.35, "text": "Council President, I'm sending this to both you and Councilor Novick right now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4800.629, "end": 4800.858, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4801.599, "end": 4804.06, "text": "You all can determine who else it needs to go to.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 4807.887, "end": 4809.544, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 4810.027, "end": 4813.889, "text": "Councilor Novick, is this, uh, language sufficient for you?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 4814.275, "end": 4815.16, "text": "I haven't seen it yet.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 4815.321, "end": 4816.867, "text": "Okay, it just came through on a Teams message.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 4817.189, "end": 4818.125, "text": "Oh, it's on Teams.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 4818.399, "end": 4821.189, "text": "Goddamn it, I hate Teams.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4821.786, "end": 4824.883, "text": "I'm sorry, Councilor, it was the fastest way to get it to the two of you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4827.576, "end": 4829.066, "text": "I hate it too, Steve.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4829.131, "end": 4829.941, "text": "It's okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4830.897, "end": 4832.144, "text": "I second that, Steve.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4834.289, "end": 4835.022, "text": "I hate teams.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 4836.99, "end": 4839.046, "text": "Councilor, would you like me to send it to your email as well?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 4839.111, "end": 4844.51, "text": "Actually, no, I'm not that incompetent, just, uh, just greatly incompetent.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 4844.638, "end": 4858.28, "text": "Um, all right, so the language that Councilor Perugini has just sent over is the council recognizes that unless there is an actual reduction in demand for The state legislature is likely to override any drawdown requirement before that requirement becomes effective.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4858.42, "end": 4860.76, "text": "Therefore, it is incumbent on the city to do what it can to reduce demand.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4861.32, "end": 4880.8, "text": "Accordingly, council expresses our commitment to work with the PCEP committee and other stakeholders to ensure that in the next climate investment plan, we bring our investments in transportation more in line with the 40% of emissions coming from the transportation sector and increase the percent of Portland Clean Energy Fund dollars spent on transportation measures to promote transit, biking, walking, transition to electric cars, and other measures to reduce emissions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4880.8, "end": 4880.84, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4881.204, "end": 4882.698, "text": "And the reduction of diesel emissions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4883.919, "end": 4884.996, "text": "I can support that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 4885.526, "end": 4891.086, "text": "And now let's see, now we need to figure out how to get that language to the clerk.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 4892.194, "end": 4894.444, "text": "I have forwarded the language to the clerk.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 4894.926, "end": 4897.947, "text": "Are we— what's the best procedure?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 4898.622, "end": 4900.919, "text": "I mean, procedurally, do we withdraw the amendment and reintroduce this?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 4901.128, "end": 4901.369, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 4901.755, "end": 4904.133, "text": "Councilor Novick, would you withdraw and then reintroduce?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 4904.727, "end": 4905.997, "text": "I hereby withdraw and reintroduce.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 4906.495, "end": 4906.559, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 4906.64, "end": 4908.74, "text": "Okay, we're gonna call it Novick 2 now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 4909.48, "end": 4910.76, "text": "There was a second.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 4910.76, "end": 4911.68, "text": "And is there a second?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 4911.74, "end": 4912.88, "text": "Yeah, second.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 4912.88, "end": 4913.34, "text": "Oh, I'll second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 4913.34, "end": 4915.16, "text": "Councilor— Oh, Clark did already.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 4915.16, "end": 4916.94, "text": "That's fine.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 4916.94, "end": 4921.82, "text": "Really quickly, there was already a Novick 2 and 3, so we should do this.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 4921.82, "end": 4922.78, "text": "We'll call it Novick 4.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 4922.78, "end": 4923.54, "text": "Novick 4.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 4923.54, "end": 4924.06, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 4924.06, "end": 4924.94, "text": "And then, I'm sorry, who was the second?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 4924.94, "end": 4926.16, "text": "Vice President Clark seconds.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 4926.16, "end": 4927.28, "text": "Great, thank you.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 4927.28, "end": 4931.6, "text": "Okay, Councilor Avalos, I'm happy to—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 4931.6, "end": 4935.1, "text": "I guess I just wanted to see where's the language, where am I looking for it?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 4935.1, "end": 4936.1, "text": "Is it in our email?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 4936.16, "end": 4936.62, "text": "Is it—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 4938.077, "end": 4940.421, "text": "I will go ahead and email it around to everybody right now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 4941.027, "end": 4944.154, "text": "Just— sorry.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 4953.66, "end": 4955.207, "text": "Okay, just hit send.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 4957.138, "end": 4961.176, "text": "I'll give colleagues a second to read this so we can know what we're actually going to vote on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 4961.306, "end": 4961.468, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 4973.317, "end": 4973.884, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 4976.947, "end": 4983.577, "text": "Um, are we willing to remove the state legislature is likely to override any drawdown requirement portion of this?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 4985.49, "end": 4986.078, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 4989.33, "end": 4993.503, "text": "I'm actually, depending on the language, I'm open to that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 4993.551, "end": 5009.887, "text": "If we said something like the council recognizes that an actual reduction for liquid fuel is a logical precondition for a drawdown requirement or something like that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5012.948, "end": 5016.921, "text": "Again, we will need that I mean, reduce to writing but open to it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5017.905, "end": 5018.324, "text": "And we do—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5018.792, "end": 5021.567, "text": "With Councilor Morillo, would that language be acceptable?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5023.525, "end": 5024.784, "text": "Yeah, I think that would be better.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5027.693, "end": 5027.855, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5027.936, "end": 5041.928, "text": "Can somebody who's better at teams, et cetera, than me say the council recognizes that an actual reduction in demand for liquid fuel, it's a logical precondition for a drawdown requirement to become effective.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5045.388, "end": 5051.116, "text": "Okay, Councilor Murillo, do you have further—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5051.148, "end": 5057.272, "text": "Or, uh, No, if it's edited that way, I would feel more comfortable with it, is what I'm saying.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5059.528, "end": 5060.107, "text": "Um, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5061.071, "end": 5063.272, "text": "We will get that additional language circulated.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5063.32, "end": 5064.011, "text": "Councilor Green?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5065.232, "end": 5073.129, "text": "Yeah, I, I had the same concern, and I think Councilor Novick I think Eric's suggestion there satisfies my complaint.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5073.883, "end": 5078.491, "text": "I don't really like putting into our ordinances that we think the state legislature is going to preempt us.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5078.556, "end": 5085.475, "text": "So, and then I think softening the percentage that goes into the PSF piece is fine.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5085.684, "end": 5093.022, "text": "I do think that we need to actively lead a conversation around increasing decarbonization of transportation in PSF.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5095.029, "end": 5098.346, "text": "If provided his language gets in there, and it's what, Novick 5 now?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5098.539, "end": 5098.926, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5098.958, "end": 5099.28, "text": "Was it—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 5099.28, "end": 5103.08, "text": "We're gonna— our attorneys are gonna just revise the language on Novick 4.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 5103.37, "end": 5103.482, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 5103.869, "end": 5104.11, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 5104.32, "end": 5106.663, "text": "So the language has been revised to that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 5106.729, "end": 5107.598, "text": "We will share that around.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 5109.796, "end": 5110.682, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 5111.713, "end": 5120.758, "text": "Yeah, I continue to appreciate Councilor Novick's dedication to this, and I like to see Councilor Novick and Councilor Pirtle-Guiney working together and compromising.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 5121.749, "end": 5122.135, "text": "I was—.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 5122.327, "end": 5125.959, "text": "When I first saw it, I was like, but I tried to compromise with you first.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 5126.023, "end": 5130.393, "text": "But I understand why you went with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, because I feel more comfortable.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 5131.871, "end": 5132.112, "text": "I don't—.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": 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5198.064, "text": "I just want to note this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 5198.273, "end": 5205.033, "text": "I appreciate that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's It sounds like that proposal kind of addresses the third sentence and the concerns I have there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 5205.161, "end": 5210.219, "text": "And it sounds like the language from Councilor Morillo will address the first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 5210.636, "end": 5214.458, "text": "I still am concerned about the idea of it being a logical precondition.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 5215.839, "end": 5219.146, "text": "That linkage to me, I understand that other people make it, I don't.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 5220.126, "end": 5225.601, "text": "So that's not to say we should create shortages, but the idea that we're—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5225.633, "end": 5226.131, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5226.936, "end": 5240.124, "text": "The precondition piece implies that we're going to have to reduce demand, see that, and then only then are we allowed to have the safety needs met that are achieved by drawdown.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 5240.544, "end": 5250.868, "text": "So that to me is where I'm still getting a lot of pause on this particular one, although I do recognize there's been significant improvements from both of the two proposals.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 5251.691, "end": 5252.175, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 5255.923, "end": 5256.904, "text": "Yeah, I agree.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 5257.113, "end": 5274.212, "text": "I'm feeling concerned because I— what I don't understand is, for example, if, um, let's see, so if we don't increase PCF dollars accordingly based on how this is structured, then what, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 5274.277, "end": 5277.525, "text": "Like, I don't understand what the bindingness of this is.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 5278.152, "end": 5282.404, "text": "And again, it just feels way too early to be making that kind of commitment.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 5282.789, "end": 5284.762, "text": "We have a CIP process for a reason.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 5285.147, "end": 5287.393, "text": "I'm still not comfortable with how it's laid out.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 5287.441, "end": 5292.575, "text": "I appreciate what people are doing trying to soften it, but I still don't think this is the place for it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5293.554, "end": 5312.753, "text": "And I think, you know, if I would be open if it was even more watered down to say, you know, again, that we're committed to working with PSF, yada yada, but I think it just feels I think it's inappropriate to make that kind of commitment in this way, the way it's written right now.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5313.059, "end": 5314.778, "text": "And so I don't plan on supporting this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5314.906, "end": 5319.999, "text": "And I would really encourage colleagues to not support this because we can have this conversation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5320.047, "end": 5327.437, "text": "We talked about it last week when we were discussing this amendment, and everybody felt clear that we are going to have this conversation in the CIP.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5327.903, "end": 5330.505, "text": "I don't think this resolves that for me in the way that it's been written.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5330.57, "end": 5330.939, "text": "Councilmember Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5333.494, "end": 5335.174, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5335.271, "end": 5335.74, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5337.55, "end": 5340.41, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to speak a little bit to why, why I am supporting it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5342.423, "end": 5344.707, "text": "Um, this is in the findings of the ordinance.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5345.061, "end": 5345.93, "text": "This is not a directive.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5346.67, "end": 5355.156, "text": "Um, and I, I view that as sort of saying we're building a legislative record here and we're putting into the record what we acknowledge to be facts.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5355.22, "end": 5356.639, "text": "And, you know, I think that's a good thing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5359.814, "end": 5378.103, "text": "And I do think it's true that if you were to sort of say we're going to regulate the CEI Hub and we want an aggressive drawdown, to defend that over time, we need to be able to sort of create the conditions that firm up our forecasts on a forward-looking expectations basis that we see a reduction in fuel demand.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5378.877, "end": 5385.019, "text": "I see this as an effort to buttress that a little bit and provide the City Council and the City of Portland stronger armor to defend that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5385.068, "end": 5385.197, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5385.897, "end": 5391.691, "text": "To say, you know what, we are seeing this reduction in demand and it's following from policy choices that we have made.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5392.397, "end": 5396.297, "text": "And, and so then we have some confidence that we can continue to forecast in that direction.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5396.346, "end": 5408.03, "text": "And then we have confidence that we can— because we passed a directive, an amendment last week that basically says come back and give us a more trued-up and timely alternative method for the drawdown.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5408.543, "end": 5428.977, "text": "And that's, I think, connected to this idea that we can shape So that part I actually— I look at differently, Councilor Knoll, and I think it's because this creates the conditions for the forecasting basis to have a more aggressive need over time is what I'm arguing or what I'm seeing from this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5429.475, "end": 5433.283, "text": "And I think it gives us a stronger basis to sort of defend our positions that we'll take.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5435.16, "end": 5436.954, "text": "In terms of the CIP thing, I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5437.038, "end": 5437.256, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5438.113, "end": 5448.391, "text": "I don't— again, there's nothing binding here that says we expect the CIP to do X, Y, and Z amount of transportation investment.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5448.472, "end": 5457.845, "text": "It basically declares our intent to say we want to work with our external stakeholders, we want to work with community, we want to work with the committee to foster that conversation in a very open and public way.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5458.377, "end": 5462.626, "text": "And I think that is important, and that's something I've started to try to do in some spaces.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5462.674, "end": 5463.125, "text": "I think that's a great idea.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5463.797, "end": 5469.157, "text": "And recognizing that no one councilor should try to do that, no one committee should try to do that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5469.286, "end": 5477.549, "text": "I think we have to have an honest conversation with the public about how important transportation emissions are in our 5-year planning process for that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5477.597, "end": 5478.659, "text": "So that's why I'm supporting it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5479.013, "end": 5485.578, "text": "I understand the reservations that people do have, but I think those tweaks on that were enough to get me there.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5485.643, "end": 5495.191, "text": "And I've been thinking increasingly about this ongoing annual basis where we true up our need and our sort of capacity determination.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5495.319, "end": 5502.785, "text": "And I do think we have to have some, some finding here that says we have to actively encourage a reduction in, in the need.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5503.33, "end": 5504.229, "text": "So that, that's where I'm at.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 5504.551, "end": 5504.791, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 5505.337, "end": 5506.766, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 5506.943, "end": 5507.601, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5508.243, "end": 5510.298, "text": "Thank you, Council President and Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5510.41, "end": 5513.862, "text": "Thank you for all of those explanations that you just put on the record.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5513.926, "end": 5533.848, "text": "I think they're all incredibly important as we look at the why behind I'll add to that that there have already been many times and will certainly be many more times when councilors signal where they would like to see PSF or any other work within our city move.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5534.576, "end": 5544.261, "text": "And we provide a lot of direction through more casual signaling or through passing resolutions which suggest a direction that we'd like to go.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5544.326, "end": 5544.553, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5545.367, "end": 5571.509, "text": "And the way that I worded this suggestion that is now Novick 4 was intended to give us an opportunity to do just that, to say this needs to be a part of the conversation, to say PCF committee, if this passes, know that a majority of council would like us to do more work in this space and that we see that as connected to our ability to meet the goals that we're putting forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5571.557, "end": 5571.765, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5572.166, "end": 5578.276, "text": "And the reductions that we know the entire community would like to see in fuel coming through the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5579.062, "end": 5602.271, "text": "And that is an important part of the CEI Hub conversation and that it's important to be transparent and not just have individual councilors signaling where we'd like to go, but as a body have the opportunity to show that we see our work as we move forward with the PCF committee as tied to this work that we're doing today around CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5602.817, "end": 5603.924, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5604.743, "end": 5605.866, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5606.332, "end": 5606.926, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5607.776, "end": 5608.675, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5608.755, "end": 5615.592, "text": "I wasn't going to speak earlier because I thought we were going to take a vote, and so now we have totally changed once again from last week, and we should have took the vote last week.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5616.283, "end": 5618.257, "text": "Um, my stance is still the same.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5618.77, "end": 5624.901, "text": "This is a very important issue that deserves to be on the agenda so the public can see and hear about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5624.965, "end": 5630.116, "text": "No one knew that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, Councilor Novick was going to put this forward.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5630.485, "end": 5633.1, "text": "They deserve an opportunity to put this in here.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5633.293, "end": 5635.042, "text": "I don't think you need to, to do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5635.555, "end": 5646.081, "text": "I think that we, um, need to have a standalone issue and, and determine what the percentages are about PSF and how we do things, whether it be transportation, public safety, or parks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5646.354, "end": 5651.729, "text": "Because I've heard plenty of that too, plenty of reason to use some of the PSF dollars for parks and public safety.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5652.235, "end": 5665.764, "text": "So if we're going to start signaling, we need to just be clear to the public that if we're going to do these kinds of things, that we're going to have it as a single issue, not as an amendment to an amendment to an amendment.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5666.444, "end": 5668.046, "text": "And I will not be supporting this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5669.506, "end": 5670.207, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5671.282, "end": 5671.788, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5672.521, "end": 5672.798, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5673.01, "end": 5679.667, "text": "Since we're all, um, having the conversation, I, I think for me the, the necessary precondition are the 2 words that I'm having a hangup on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5680.3, "end": 5690.004, "text": "My question for Councilor Novick would be, you have an original text there was, it is incumbent upon, and that appears to be your text originally.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5690.085, "end": 5711.371, "text": "So my question is effectively, you know, is it possible to do something to the effect of the council recognizes that it is incumbent on the city to do what it can to reduce demand for transportation fuel or some equivalent language that relates to your Your original text, um, because that would resolve my last remaining concern on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5712.437, "end": 5721.35, "text": "Um, all right, now I'm looking at what, um, uh, and I don't have the, the revised version yet, but we're working on it, I know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5722.319, "end": 5727.405, "text": "Uh, damn, now I'm trying to find the revised version myself.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 5727.976, "end": 5731.218, "text": "Um, can I interject here for a second?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 5732.003, "end": 5732.099, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 5732.147, "end": 5742.873, "text": "Sorry, I did not write— I'm sorry, I presumed that someone— I thought because it was your amendment that there would be an edit from your staff, so I didn't write down what we agreed upon in the first line.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 5742.97, "end": 5745.23, "text": "So if we could just do that quickly, that'd be great.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 5745.711, "end": 5751.644, "text": "Okay, I actually sent— sorry, Mr. President, may I speak?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 5751.708, "end": 5751.868, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5752.205, "end": 5759.099, "text": "I sent revised language to the council president as I came up with it, but I thought that the attorneys were in the process of writing it too.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5760.259, "end": 5771.538, "text": "So can we— either I'll figure out a way to send my revised version to everybody, or do we already— does the clerk already have revised language?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5771.602, "end": 5780.021, "text": "Sorry, we think that we've captured it and we will share it with Keelan to put up on the screen, and that might be the easiest way to make sure we're all on the same page instead of—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5780.776, "end": 5781.291, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5782.93, "end": 5784.73, "text": "I would prefer that you email it, by the way.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5784.955, "end": 5785.485, "text": "I want to—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5785.838, "end": 5786.449, "text": "I don't want it on screen.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5786.97, "end": 5788.477, "text": "I have also forwarded the email.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5791.251, "end": 5795.845, "text": "I think this is the one that was just sent to me by Councilor Novick, although it looks like it was just forwarded by me.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5796.324, "end": 5797.807, "text": "So that is the— that's the same.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5798.065, "end": 5799.451, "text": "That's what you had as Novick 4.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 5799.515, "end": 5806.38, "text": "It doesn't have— it has Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's comments, but not Councilor, uh, or revisions, but not Councilor Morillo's.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 5806.852, "end": 5821.877, "text": "Um, but I can say that, uh, what you said, Councilor Novick, was Quote, the council recognizes that an actual reduction in demand for liquid fuel is a logical precondition for a drawdown requirement to become effective, end quote.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 5823.062, "end": 5828.383, "text": "Um, yes, and then it still included the language about therefore it is incumbent on the council, blah blah blah.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 5829.392, "end": 5830.354, "text": "Correct, right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 5830.434, "end": 5839.467, "text": "So, um, I, I guess the— my question was effectively if we could put the rest of that sentence after the it is incumbent and not have the logical precondition words.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 5839.516, "end": 5841.265, "text": "I can, I can type it if that's helpful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 5843.419, "end": 5844.854, "text": "Um, okay, I'm not quite sure.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 5844.935, "end": 5846.532, "text": "Please type it because I'm not sure I get it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 5846.645, "end": 5850.339, "text": "All right, colleagues, we are in a wordsmithing challenge here at this moment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 5850.726, "end": 5852.694, "text": "Um, I'm going to give us a— it's 11 o'clock as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 5852.855, "end": 5854.082, "text": "I'm going to give us a 10-minute recess.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 5854.453, "end": 5861.361, "text": "I'm going to ask the folks who are wanting to wordsmith to please wordsmith with our attorneys, and we'll be back at 11:13.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 5861.861, "end": 5862.055, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 6648.804, "end": 6650.078, "text": "And welcome back, folks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 6650.144, "end": 6651.728, "text": "I'm calling us back to order.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 6652.89, "end": 6657.933, "text": "Um, colleagues, on your screens in front of you is the revised language to Novick 4.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 6658.062, "end": 6659.528, "text": "It should also be in your email box.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 6660.318, "end": 6666.683, "text": "Um, but here is the redlined version, uh, showing you what is different and what is the same.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 6667.65, "end": 6673.711, "text": "Um, my queue got changed, so unfortunately I'm going to call— or figure this out.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 6673.76, "end": 6678.338, "text": "Hold Yeah, when the screen changed, everybody shifted.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 6678.386, "end": 6679.518, "text": "So I'm going to— oh, there we go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 6679.583, "end": 6680.375, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 6683.949, "end": 6684.612, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 6685.727, "end": 6691.161, "text": "I appreciate the efforts here, but the wordsmithing is not changing my overall concern with the intent.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 6691.711, "end": 6700.316, "text": "I don't think that this is the right place to put this kind of condition, especially when I'm unclear how we're defining what we mean by putting dollars into these transportation measures that are listed.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 6700.932, "end": 6714.803, "text": "I'm also unsure what is supposed to happen if there is incongruence with whatever is going on with the CIP and this, you know, declaration that we're making in this legislation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 6714.963, "end": 6716.759, "text": "I think it's out of place.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 6716.968, "end": 6719.277, "text": "I think it is isolated.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 6719.677, "end": 6721.954, "text": "And I agree a lot with what Councilor Smith said.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 6722.003, "end": 6730.681, "text": "There are lots of other factors that we as a city need to— we as councilors need to be determining Our intent as we go into that next CIP.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 6731.082, "end": 6750.524, "text": "There are lots of layers to this, and I think making this determination— I mean, I know that Councilor Novick and I in general disagree on what the purpose of PSF, because according to your original intent, even though this has changed, the original intent is still there to force PSF to make a certain percentage calculation on their resources.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 6750.588, "end": 6751.936, "text": "And that's just not how this works.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 6752.274, "end": 6754.296, "text": "That is not what community is asking for.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 6754.361, "end": 6754.521, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 6755.19, "end": 6762.758, "text": "And I think it is important that we continue to keep those decisions about how much investment in which types of investment stay with community.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 6763.113, "end": 6766.929, "text": "I think even with this language, we are still doing a lot of predetermining here.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 6767.235, "end": 6771.485, "text": "I think it's inappropriate, and I will not be voting for it, and I would really encourage folks not to.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 6771.815, "end": 6772.145, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 6772.97, "end": 6773.927, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 6776.21, "end": 6782.565, "text": "Colleagues, is there any further discussion of the now amended Novick 4, which is on On display on your screen in front of you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 6783.994, "end": 6784.556, "text": "Councilor Knop.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 6785.663, "end": 6796.531, "text": "Yeah, I, I totally understand the conversation around the last part there, uh, and, you know, I don't think— I think part of this is like what's, what's possible to, to get done that we have a majority around.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 6796.675, "end": 6802.181, "text": "I don't love the in line with words, but I'm not— those are not a deal breaker for me personally.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 6802.31, "end": 6810.931, "text": "I think, um, I'm looking forward to the conversation, uh, as part of the climate investment plan I don't think that— I'm saying this for legislative intent purposes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 6811.027, "end": 6815.635, "text": "I don't think that this means that 40% of the investment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 6815.844, "end": 6820.019, "text": "I think it means that it is designed to be reflective of the emissions standard.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 6820.099, "end": 6821.336, "text": "That's how I'm interpreting it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 6821.865, "end": 6829.027, "text": "And at the risk of not wanting to, you know, change more and more words one by one, that's why I'm where I'm at on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 6829.107, "end": 6832.977, "text": "But I did want to acknowledge I agree with the concern that Councilor Avalos is raising.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 6833.041, "end": 6833.137, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 6833.282, "end": 6839.949, "text": "I just, um, that's how I've chosen to kind of interpret that particular phrase given how it was presented earlier.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 6841.199, "end": 6842.546, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 6843.7, "end": 6845.479, "text": "Councilor Avalos, back in the queue, last word.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 6845.703, "end": 6855.736, "text": "Yeah, yeah, just to say in response to that, Councilor Knoll, I, I think again it's that put— leaving that number in there, first of all, those numbers can change.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 6856.041, "end": 6858.205, "text": "Second of all, that is still predetermined.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 6858.429, "end": 6860.801, "text": "So I just disagree with how you're coming to conclusion.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 6860.929, "end": 6862.195, "text": "It's fine that we don't agree on this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 6862.453, "end": 6873.295, "text": "But I am pretty concerned about this passing, and I just feel that this is a conversation that is best not had in this format, and I really don't like how the language is.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6873.344, "end": 6883.014, "text": "So it looks like it could pass, and I'm pretty disappointed to hear that because I, I'm concerned about how this implicates future CIP processes, and again would urge that we not pass this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6884.566, "end": 6885.083, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6885.131, "end": 6885.745, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6888.461, "end": 6894.558, "text": "Okay, colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call roll on the now revised Novick 4 amendment?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6895.486, "end": 6897.362, "text": "Moved by Novick, seconded by Clark.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6897.766, "end": 6898.105, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6898.962, "end": 6898.994, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6899.786, "end": 6900.077, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6901.629, "end": 6901.678, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6902.599, "end": 6902.987, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6903.969, "end": 6903.986, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6909.278, "end": 6910.227, "text": "Sorry, one second.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6910.909, "end": 6911.392, "text": "Uh, no.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6912.657, "end": 6912.873, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6913.649, "end": 6913.843, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6914.896, "end": 6915.009, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6915.818, "end": 6915.964, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6918.489, "end": 6918.603, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6919.04, "end": 6919.121, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6920.819, "end": 6920.997, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6924.305, "end": 6924.805, "text": "Novick.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6926.871, "end": 6933.213, "text": "I really appreciate fellow councilors working on this this morning and the council president's indulgence to allow us to work on it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6933.81, "end": 6933.842, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6934.956, "end": 6940.591, "text": "Uh, I appreciate the collegial, collegial approach as well, but I am unfortunately a no on them.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6940.872, "end": 6941.337, "text": "So no.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6942.621, "end": 6945.332, "text": "The amendment is approved with a vote of 8 ayes and 4 nays.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6946.167, "end": 6946.664, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6946.728, "end": 6948.204, "text": "Councilor Kanal to Kanal 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6949.295, "end": 6955.007, "text": "Yes, colleagues, I, uh, have sent a revised, uh, version of this one over to you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6955.055, "end": 6957.798, "text": "I don't know if it's posted yet, but it's in your email inbox as of 10:06.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6957.895, "end": 6960.317, "text": "I'll explain the change from the originally pre-filed one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6960.365, "end": 6965.435, "text": "It is only in the first, uh, 2 sentences, um, but just wanted to get that on the record first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6966.045, "end": 6980.376, "text": "Um, Um, Canal 1 is an amendment reflective of the, uh, testimony that we heard from the public that the safety piece of this was getting a little bit lost in the conversation around, um, the economic side of it, which it's both.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6980.553, "end": 6983.663, "text": "Obviously, the CEI hub is, is an economic issue as well as a safety issue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6984.32, "end": 6996.523, "text": "Um, and it's also reflective of prior council actions in the 2025-2026 budget as well as, um, conversations we had this It would add a new Part D to the, uh, ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6996.747, "end": 7008.315, "text": "Um, this is again the Title 17 ordinance that says the city administrator shall present a report to council no later than September 30th, 2027, outlining the city's public health and natural hazards risk reduction plan for the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 7008.379, "end": 7014.909, "text": "The city administrator will present an interim update to council on progress towards this deadline no later than March 31st, 2027.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 7015.598, "end": 7017.973, "text": "Um, the rest of it is, is identical to what it said before.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 7018.021, "end": 7018.149, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 7018.294, "end": 7029.526, "text": "So I'm not going to read it, but it asks for 4 bureaus to work together to come up with a report basically outlining what our needs are in the situations that we all talk about and have fear around.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 7030.039, "end": 7050.092, "text": "Evacuation plans from Linnton, evacuation plans from North Portland west of the railroad cut, industrial firefighting capacity on the west side of the river, proposal for fire and rescue capacity on North Portland west of the railroad cut, and then the sort of emergency supplies and resources that are, um, necessary in the interim before we can get people out of the affected areas.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 7050.782, "end": 7054.858, "text": "Um, I just want to note for the record that some of this stuff is already in progress.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 7055.436, "end": 7066.396, "text": "Uh, some of this stuff is already a conversation that's been happening, or, um, that, that we've funded happening in the case of the planner at BPS that Councilor Clark, um, fought for in the budget last year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 7067.311, "end": 7072.285, "text": "Just to give a quick context to the change, originally we had filed this for March 31st, 2026.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 7073.506, "end": 7077.648, "text": "We then got some preliminary feedback and moved it to June 30th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 7078.001, "end": 7080.41, "text": "That's what was pre-filed, and that's what's on the website.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 7081.197, "end": 7097.558, "text": "For today, we've separated that first sentence into the 2 you now see in your email inbox so that there is more time for the full report till September 30th, but there's also an interim update, and that interim update will allow us to have as much information as possible before we have to make budgetary decisions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 7097.655, "end": 7097.799, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 7099.074, "end": 7108.832, "text": "Around what resources we may need to give towards this while the full and ultimate details are still being worked out and that the staff will have until September 30th.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 7108.896, "end": 7120.476, "text": "So I want to just kind of get that out there and also thank the staff who have been very helpful with their time and with their advice and most importantly with being honest about what their needs are in terms of the time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 7121.9, "end": 7125.301, "text": "So anyway, that's the amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 7125.397, "end": 7126.816, "text": "I will formally move Kanal 1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 7126.961, "end": 7127.235, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 7129.73, "end": 7129.939, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 7130.084, "end": 7131.42, "text": "Councilor Kanal moves Kanal 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 7131.533, "end": 7132.869, "text": "Vice President Clark seconds.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 7132.966, "end": 7135.268, "text": "Colleagues, to the discussion of Kanal 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 7136.106, "end": 7137.829, "text": "I put myself in the queue first, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 7138.602, "end": 7151.832, "text": "Councilor Kanal, I really— I support the intent of what you're trying to do here, but I just need to hear it a little more explicitly that is this an action that the city believes that they can respond in that time?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 7152.092, "end": 7153.768, "text": "I just worry about continued demand on the city's resources.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 7154.196, "end": 7161.478, "text": "And also my question, my second part of that is, is this request aligned with the strategic work that is already happening?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 7161.655, "end": 7164.606, "text": "And, or is this additional new work or an additional new burden?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 7165.857, "end": 7166.482, "text": "I'll let—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 7166.482, "end": 7167.204, "text": "Would you like to go first?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 7167.749, "end": 7177.373, "text": "Yes, I would just bring council's attention to the timing of this and the timing from the standpoint of when you're asking for us to follow back up with you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 7178.191, "end": 7182.457, "text": "That may not be realistic for us from a timing perspective to be able to do that.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 7183.148, "end": 7196.435, "text": "I would also just draw your attention to the additional resources that may be needed to do this work that we currently don't have, uh, a part of our team today that we would have to ramp up to be able to do.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 7196.805, "end": 7200.307, "text": "That may have some budgetary requests in this as well.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 7200.452, "end": 7208.919, "text": "So, you know, I believe we will evaluate this and try to see what we could do to meet it, but I know there's going to be some time constraints in it.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 7209.016, "end": 7216.254, "text": "If, you know, DC Oliveira wants to add anything additional to that, feel free to want to, but if you're good, I think we're good.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 7216.816, "end": 7217.41, "text": "I believe we're good.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 7217.875, "end": 7221.406, "text": "Sorry, a little confused about why DC Oliveira.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 7221.454, "end": 7229.11, "text": "Most— I understand Planning and Sustainability, and I, I did chat with folks there, but the bulk of this, as I understand it, is PBAM and fire.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 7230.041, "end": 7242.467, "text": "Um, so although there is a piece there, we, we funded a planner in, uh, the 2025-2026 budget at BPS, whose primary focus is a CEI hub.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 7243.405, "end": 7244.746, "text": "Um, so I'm, I'm comfortable.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 7245.198, "end": 7266.393, "text": "I, I guess let me back up, and I, I would love, uh, if anyone wants to ask, I— we did chat with some of these particular bureaus that I just mentioned, but, um, I, I think it's fair to say everything in here has been discussed discussed separately but not together as a package, to answer your question, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 7267.132, "end": 7273.335, "text": "Um, it is also fair to say that everything in here is a realistic ask, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 7273.479, "end": 7278.718, "text": "We have an evacuation, um, emergency evacuation routes project.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 7279.2, "end": 7280.662, "text": "PBAM leads on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 7280.71, "end": 7284.776, "text": "We work with RDPO on parts of that too, the Regional Disaster Preparedness Organization.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 7285.45, "end": 7286.575, "text": "Um, so that's the first 2.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 7287.072, "end": 7291.193, "text": "We've talked about firefighting capacity as part of the budget conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 7291.306, "end": 7294.993, "text": "There was not an amendment on that one, but it was in the conversation around the budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 7295.475, "end": 7307.372, "text": "We actually debated and funded Station 22's fire engine this year, which is the only fire engine west of the railroad cut in North Portland and is particularly relevant to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 7307.436, "end": 7312.134, "text": "And grateful again to colleagues who supported Canal 2 on that or any of the other proposals that would've funded it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 7312.712, "end": 7314.395, "text": "And then PBEM's already—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 7314.411, "end": 7314.459, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 7314.877, "end": 7319.036, "text": "Has, you know, work on beacons, nets, all that sort of stuff that's in that final bullet point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 7319.534, "end": 7323.726, "text": "So if the timing is a concern, that's— that's— I understand that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 7323.774, "end": 7325.043, "text": "That's why we moved it back twice.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 7325.718, "end": 7331.837, "text": "Um, but I will say the purpose of the interim update is in part to talk about the resources necessary to do this work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 7332.463, "end": 7343.338, "text": "So the idea that— that staff could come to us and tell us on March 31st, hey, we're looking into this, but we actually don't have the capacity right now to do because we don't have the staff for it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 7343.724, "end": 7353.829, "text": "The idea behind that is that we could then say, well, it's March 31st, we've got 3 months to affect this year's budget— or next year's budget, sorry— to provide those resources.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 7353.878, "end": 7359.151, "text": "So I think that that's sort of the particular purpose of the 2-tier timeline change.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 7359.765, "end": 7367.099, "text": "And yeah, I obviously— we've got resources if anyone has specific questions for any other relevant bureaus.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 7367.545, "end": 7368.208, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 7368.579, "end": 7368.919, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "John Hollister" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 7370.05, "end": 7371.359, "text": "That more or less answers my question.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 7371.408, "end": 7375.028, "text": "I will say— I will continue that I worry about the timeline.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 7375.158, "end": 7377.016, "text": "It just feels extremely tight.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 7379.599, "end": 7380.417, "text": "So I have some concerns.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 7380.58, "end": 7381.546, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 7381.775, "end": 7382.839, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 7383.248, "end": 7384.802, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 7385.622, "end": 7387.768, "text": "I also was concerned about the timeline.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 7387.816, "end": 7397.151, "text": "I also was a little confused 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"Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 7451.213, "end": 7455.027, "text": "I did have a conversation with Councilor Kanal's office.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 7455.684, "end": 7463.712, "text": "I think that the reason that we're good with the timeline is that 6-month check-in of where we're at.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 7464.032, "end": 7475.698, "text": "I would look to the council that if we don't have the resources and we are still working through plans, that we then look to possibly extending that timeline.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 7475.81, "end": 7476.739, "text": "But I do like having—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 7476.739, "end": 7476.835, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 7481.11, "end": 7488.34, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 7488.34, "end": 7490.05, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 7490.78, "end": 7495.08, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 7495.08, "end": 7504.44, "text": "You know, I was also going to ask about the timeline and feasibility, and I think we've heard from a number of folks on that, but I also know that there were a number of reductions within our fire bureau, so I do think I'd that we can just get this done in a timely manner.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 7504.488, "end": 7508.842, "text": "Like to ask our fire chief if there are any concerns on the fire side with what's listed here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 7509.91, "end": 7512.71, "text": "We'll run through everybody, we'll get a sense.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 7514.33, "end": 7520.316, "text": "Um, and while you're coming up, Chief, I'll note that Councilor Knoll talked about some of the reasons that this is important.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 7522.461, "end": 7530.22, "text": "Um, from my district's perspective, from a safety perspective, it is necessary that we be doing all of these things.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 7530.414, "end": 7533.638, "text": "I have no concerns with us doing what is listed in here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 7533.734, "end": 7551.873, "text": "I just want to make sure that our current budget allows us to do this and that we are not inadvertently, um, mandating resources onto the table or putting a timeline out there that's not possible, and frankly, getting our constituents' hopes up that we will be able to do something that we may not be able to do in the long run.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 7552.018, "end": 7554.902, "text": "So I just, I want to make sure that we're prepared to actually see this through.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 7555.767, "end": 7556.633, "text": "Thanks very much.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 7556.713, "end": 7558.475, "text": "For the record, Lauren Johnson, Fire Chief.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 7558.892, "end": 7562.146, "text": "Thanks for the question and the work towards this.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 7562.338, "end": 7567.467, "text": "We think it's also really necessary to provide this information to council and to the public.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 7567.948, "end": 7575.883, "text": "We're supportive of 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 7704.088, "end": 7704.506, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 7704.57, "end": 7704.891, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 7705.052, "end": 7706.144, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 7706.401, "end": 7706.995, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 7707.781, "end": 7709.74, "text": "Thank you, Councilor President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 7710.174, "end": 7715.36, "text": "I think my questions about the timeline are cared for.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 7715.874, "end": 7721.816, "text": "I would say though that in our first year, Budget notes that were unfunded mandates.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 7722.619, "end": 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"text": "Councilor Herbold.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 7908.309, "end": 7913.316, "text": "As a result, it makes sense to say here's our proposal for what we would need is the deliverable that we'd be asking for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 7913.801, "end": 7914.302, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 7914.705, "end": 7914.867, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 7915.432, "end": 7915.9, "text": "Good change.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 7916.643, "end": 7917.225, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 7917.354, "end": 7917.548, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 7917.76, "end": 7918.686, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 7918.816, "end": 7919.726, "text": "Councilor Knoll, last word.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 7919.953, "end": 7926.578, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to first, I think I have to formally to make the change that Councilor Novick and I talked about, withdraw and resubmit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 7928.239, "end": 7933.142, "text": "But it's to add a proposal for to the beginning of the 3rd bullet point in there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 7933.592, "end": 7934.973, "text": "That it would be version 4.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 7935.133, "end": 7946.978, "text": "It did hit everyone's email at, uh, 11:32 AM, so everyone has that in email, including the clerk, um, but including colleagues as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 7947.17, "end": 7953.012, "text": "So I'll formally withdraw and resubmit, uh, and hopefully Councilor Clark will still second that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 7954.2, "end": 7954.376, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 7954.794, "end": 7954.986, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 7955.644, "end": 7955.821, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 7956.286, "end": 7956.832, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 7957.105, "end": 7960.996, "text": "Colleagues, you have the final language in In front of you, there's no one else in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 7961.485, "end": 7965.796, "text": "I'm going to give us 30 seconds of dramatic pause to make sure everybody reads.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 7990.896, "end": 7994.616, "text": "Keelan, can we please call the roll on Canal 2 or 4?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 7994.745, "end": 7995.755, "text": "What are you calling this, 27?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 7996.813, "end": 7999.379, "text": "It's either Canal 1 version 4 or Canal 4.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 7999.459, "end": 8001.127, "text": "I, I leave it to the clerk to decide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 8001.56, "end": 8008.552, "text": "All right, so we had posted Canal 1 and that one has been withdrawn, so now we will vote on Canal 2.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 8008.681, "end": 8014.527, "text": "All right, could we please call the roll on Canal Uh, moved by Kanal, seconded by Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 8015.045, "end": 8015.353, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 8016.196, "end": 8016.228, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 8017.395, "end": 8017.541, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 8017.638, "end": 8017.687, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 8018.19, "end": 8018.351, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 8018.497, "end": 8018.772, "text": "Oh, sorry.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 8018.853, "end": 8019.079, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 8020.633, "end": 8020.681, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 8022.105, "end": 8022.396, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 8022.655, "end": 8022.817, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 8024.354, "end": 8024.661, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 8025.647, "end": 8025.825, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 8027.985, "end": 8028.259, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 8028.469, "end": 8030.274, "text": "I'm sorry, Councilor, was that aye?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 8030.822, "end": 8031.387, "text": "That was an aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 8031.693, "end": 8031.87, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 8032.434, "end": 8033.079, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 8033.715, "end": 8034.308, "text": "Um, Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 8035.772, "end": 8035.887, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 8038.717, "end": 8038.766, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 8040.665, "end": 8040.795, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 8042.386, "end": 8042.63, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 8044.56, "end": 8044.722, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 8046.824, "end": 8046.873, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 8047.714, "end": 8047.892, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 8048.28, "end": 8048.329, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 8049.17, "end": 8053.842, "text": "The amendment is approved with a vote of 10 ayes and 2 nays.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 8054.019, "end": 8061.461, "text": "Okay, colleagues, that concludes our amendments to this item and ends our discussion for today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 8061.542, "end": 8066.525, "text": "We are now moving to pass this to second reading.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 8067.848, "end": 8069.801, "text": "Actually, before I do that, I'd like to check.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 8070.011, "end": 8074.433, "text": "Colleagues, is there any further discussion of the now amended underlying ordinance or the exhibits?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 8077.65, "end": 8078.052, "text": "Okay, cool.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 8079.356, "end": 8096.731, "text": "Item 2026-312, the ordinance for the bulk fuel terminal capacity reduction regulations, is continued to an additional meeting before the Portland City Council on November The record for oral testimony on this ordinance was closed on September 24th, 2026.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 8096.795, "end": 8100.255, "text": "The record for written testimony on this ordinance was closed on October 1st, 2026.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 8100.48, "end": 8109.195, "text": "Based on council deliberations on possible amendments, council may decide in the future to open the record for oral or written testimony at a future meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 8111.9, "end": 8113.92, "text": "Keelan, can we please call the consent agenda?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 8113.97, "end": 8117.861, "text": "Councilor Yeah, no items have been pulled.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 8118.216, "end": 8123.521, "text": "I'll call the roll on the remaining— or on the consent agenda.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 8123.682, "end": 8124.022, "text": "Clerk?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 8124.394, "end": 8124.442, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 8125.219, "end": 8125.429, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 8127.224, "end": 8127.402, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 8128.26, "end": 8128.503, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 8130.058, "end": 8130.074, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 8131.435, "end": 8131.742, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 8132.893, "end": 8133.071, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 8133.897, "end": 8134.416, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 8136.539, "end": 8136.718, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 8137.354, "end": 8137.794, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 8139.799, "end": 8140.305, "text": "Consent agenda?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 8140.451, "end": 8140.484, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 8147.208, "end": 8147.289, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 8149.182, "end": 8152.596, "text": "My team is very excited for more skee-ball.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 8153.048, "end": 8153.874, "text": "Thank you, Novick.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 8156.9, "end": 8156.981, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 8160.945, "end": 8160.994, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 8161.932, "end": 8164.937, "text": "The consent agenda is approved with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 8165.423, "end": 8165.707, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 8165.774, "end": 8190.738, "text": "Can we please call item number 10 Document 2026-334, authorize Bureau of Transportation to acquire certain temporary property rights necessary for construction of the Southeast Division Street, Southeast 148th to Southeast 174th project through the exercise of the city's eminent domain authority.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 8192.166, "end": 8194.317, "text": "Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 8195.968, "end": 8196.487, "text": "Discussion.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 8197.104, "end": 8199.1, "text": "Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 8199.782, "end": 8200.025, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 8200.512, "end": 8200.561, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 8201.405, "end": 8201.632, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 8202.865, "end": 8202.963, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 8203.644, "end": 8203.902, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 8206.114, "end": 8206.194, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 8206.517, "end": 8207.292, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 8208.438, "end": 8208.567, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 8209.116, "end": 8209.39, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 8209.971, "end": 8210.02, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 8210.956, "end": 8211.182, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 8211.682, "end": 8211.763, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 8212.78, "end": 8213.056, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 8213.77, "end": 8213.819, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 8214.842, "end": 8215.053, "text": "Ryan?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 8215.476, "end": 8215.524, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 8216.288, "end": 8216.775, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 8217.181, "end": 8217.23, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 8217.928, "end": 8218.318, "text": "Murillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 8218.805, "end": 8218.968, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 8219.374, "end": 8219.715, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 8220.024, "end": 8220.072, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 8220.446, "end": 8220.689, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 8221.267, "end": 8221.316, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 8223.888, "end": 8224.637, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 8224.686, "end": 8225.744, "text": "Could we please call item number 12?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 8229.228, "end": 8231.34, "text": "Uh, uh, item 11, I believe.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 8231.47, "end": 8232.266, "text": "Oh, did I just do that wrong?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 8233.355, "end": 8234.736, "text": "I think we just voted item—.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 8234.736, "end": 8235.353, "text": "Yeah, I did it wrong.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 8235.532, "end": 8235.841, "text": "My bad.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 8236.361, "end": 8242.868, "text": "Okay, uh, item 11, uh, also a second reading, 20— uh, document 2026-335.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 8245.386, "end": 8245.579, "text": "Clerk.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 8245.741, "end": 8245.805, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 8246.785, "end": 8246.801, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 8247.108, "end": 8247.479, "text": "Green.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 8249.934, "end": 8250.112, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 8250.887, "end": 8251.274, "text": "Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 8251.775, "end": 8251.872, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 8252.582, "end": 8252.809, "text": "Avalos.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 8254.278, "end": 8254.31, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 8255.247, "end": 8255.553, "text": "Smith.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 8256.052, "end": 8256.101, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 8256.794, "end": 8257.003, "text": "Kanal.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 8257.744, "end": 8257.793, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 8258.47, "end": 8258.856, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 8259.195, "end": 8259.243, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 8259.775, "end": 8260.065, "text": "Ryan.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 8260.339, "end": 8260.387, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 8260.903, "end": 8261.354, "text": "Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 8262.74, "end": 8262.788, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 8263.53, "end": 8263.87, "text": "Murillo.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 8263.951, "end": 8264, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 8264.6, "end": 8264.924, "text": "Novick.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 8265.167, "end": 8265.216, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 8265.67, "end": 8266.01, "text": "Dunphy.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 8266.302, "end": 8266.351, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 8266.869, "end": 8268.653, "text": "The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 8268.831, "end": 8269.463, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 8269.561, "end": 8271.068, "text": "Can we please read the next item?", "speaker": "John Hollister" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 8272.465, "end": 8276.871, "text": "Item 12, document 2026-212.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 8277.21, "end": 8279.131, "text": "Oh, sorry, I've been forgetting.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 8279.389, "end": 8286.726, "text": "Uh, okay, uh, item 12, amend advertising on bus benches code to allow advertising on city streetcar benches and shelters.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 8286.92, "end": 8290.478, "text": "Amend chapter code, code chapter 17.45.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 8290.85, "end": 8291.403, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 8291.451, "end": 8294.168, "text": "This also is a second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 8294.234, "end": 8294.998, "text": "Is there any further discussion?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 8296.468, "end": 8298.205, "text": "Seeing none, Keelan, could we please call the roll?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 8298.434, "end": 8299.942, "text": "Oh, Councilor Councilor Smith, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 8300.008, "end": 8300.367, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 8300.988, "end": 8303.421, "text": "Who's here representing the, the mayor's office on this?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 8314.617, "end": 8315.036, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8315.1, "end": 8317.439, "text": "Millicent Williams, Deputy City Administrator for Public Works.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8319.03, "end": 8320.636, "text": "Good morning, DCA Williams.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8321.054, "end": 8342.845, "text": "Um, we had some conversation about this in the Public Works Committee, and I just want to make sure that we did not add Uh, the team met with the City Attorney's Office to determine the language that would be appropriate for, uh, this ordinance.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8343.086, "end": 8350.866, "text": "Um, everything that's included, uh, provides the permissions for certain types of businesses, uh, to advertise.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8350.978, "end": 8353.774, "text": "Uh, there are prohibitions on the types of businesses as well.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8354.378, "end": 8368.26, "text": "But we were intentional about ensuring that we were not creating a space where certain businesses would be prohibited unless there were certain guidelines that we would not want to have advertised on those buses, on those benches.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8368.616, "end": 8369.455, "text": "Could you explain more?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8369.988, "end": 8371.006, "text": "I don't know what that means.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8372.62, "end": 8375.526, "text": "Give me the type of businesses that are restricted.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8377.075, "end": 8399.638, "text": "I would need to call on the team to provide that But there are perhaps— because of the federal relationship with the transit services, there are certain activities that while on a local level we may allow, we would not be able to support from a federal level because they are not considered legal activities.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 8400.154, "end": 8405.768, "text": "For example, if there was a marijuana shop that wanted to advertise on a bend of the bus route, that would not be allowed.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 8405.817, "end": 8405.865, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 8406.276, "end": 8411.436, "text": "They would likely not be able to because that is not something that is federally recognized as being legal.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 8411.997, "end": 8414.625, "text": "So those are some of the types of businesses that would be prohibited.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 8415.651, "end": 8415.907, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 8416.067, "end": 8429.897, "text": "I mean, I, I support this in theory, but I, I wanted to have a little bit more information, and I was looking through the exhibits to tell me specifically which businesses were being, um, prevented from, from doing advertising.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 8429.993, "end": 8452.878, "text": "And the reason why I say that is because all these businesses here, they pay the BLT, the business licensing tax, and to prohibit any one of them— and I can understand about the, um, the federal stuff, and that's, that's one issue— but if we're unilaterally, um, identifying particular sectors of business that we are not going to allow to advertise, I have a problem with that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 8452.958, "end": 8453.376, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 8453.504, "end": 8454.932, "text": "That's not the intent of this.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 8455.045, "end": 8464.845, "text": "It is to ensure that we're aligned with the federal expectations, uh, because of their funding that comes to the streetcar and all of the attending, uh, supports for that work.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 8465.246, "end": 8471.023, "text": "Uh, we are not singling out entities that we would, uh, prohibit from being able to, uh, advertise.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 8471.683, "end": 8476.967, "text": "Those that are doing regular business that have business licenses that are allowed to do business in the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 8477.258, "end": 8479.845, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 8480.25, "end": 8480.411, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 8480.799, "end": 8480.993, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 8481.042, "end": 8481.996, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 8484.562, "end": 8488.87, "text": "Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 8488.952, "end": 8490.089, "text": "Keelan, can we please call the roll?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 8492.432, "end": 8492.788, "text": "Clark.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 8493.388, "end": 8493.437, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 8494.199, "end": 8494.426, "text": "Green.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 8495.334, "end": 8495.464, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 8496.161, "end": 8496.534, "text": "Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 8500.67, "end": 8500.686, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 8501.557, "end": 8501.831, "text": "Avalos.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 8502.928, "end": 8502.992, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 8503.686, "end": 8503.96, "text": "Smith.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 8504.46, "end": 8504.508, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 8505.589, "end": 8505.976, "text": "Kanal.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 8506.411, "end": 8506.476, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 8506.653, "end": 8507.347, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 8510.56, "end": 8510.641, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 8512.328, "end": 8512.376, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 8512.97, "end": 8512.987, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 8513.854, "end": 8513.902, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 8514.674, "end": 8519.764, "text": "The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 8519.992, "end": 8520.253, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 8520.302, "end": 8521.428, "text": "Could please read item 13?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 8525.9, "end": 8532.849, "text": "Document 2026-300, amend fire regulations fee schedule, amend Portland policy document FIR-12.01.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 8534.914, "end": 8535.493, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 8535.541, "end": 8537.758, "text": "This is also the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 8538.031, "end": 8539.123, "text": "Um, I put myself in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 8539.557, "end": 8544.632, "text": "Um, I didn't have a chance to speak on this last week because unfortunately I was out of, uh, the state.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 8544.793, "end": 8551.459, "text": "But, um, I want to start— I want to say I want to be intellectually honest and note that we did vote on this concept during the budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 8552.326, "end": 8559.699, "text": "Uh, fire and rescue permitting activity is not currently supported by the fees that we charge, and we subsidize those activities with general fund dollars.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 8559.78, "end": 8572.583, "text": "The council made a choice here and elsewhere to try and get towards a full cost recovery model because as the council documents that— as the documents that council approved say, the permits primarily benefit the applicants.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 8572.664, "end": 8574.27, "text": "So let's just start with the obvious.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 8574.816, "end": 8577.21, "text": "All of our fees are going up and we have a lot of fees.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 8578.126, "end": 8586.721, "text": "The increase in fees is exceeding inflation because we are charging our policy— changing our policies to cost recovery across all of our bureaus and the service areas.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 8586.769, "end": 8586.865, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 8587.122, "end": 8588.019, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 8588.74, "end": 8590.631, "text": "Our fees are also not progressive enough.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 8591.048, "end": 8597.025, "text": "The impact on small and micro businesses is too large as a percentage of revenue compared to larger enterprises.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 8598.003, "end": 8606.095, "text": "The impact on low individuals and low-income individuals and families is too high, and these changes are being made with the primary intention of shoring up the city budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 8606.432, "end": 8613.74, "text": "We do not have a policy related to fee affordability, nor a central view of the cumulative impact of fees across our target groups.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 8614.926, "end": 8620.314, "text": "Speaking to target groups, full cost recovery is not actually in line with our citywide goals.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 8621.5, "end": 8632.596, "text": "Earlier this year, the city announced a grant program to help small businesses make capital improvements in vacant storefronts to activate them, and then we significantly raised the rates on the permits to do that work at PP&D and Fire.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 8633.446, "end": 8648.218, "text": "We've been working to increase event activation across the city and offering grants to community organizations to activate public spaces And we then made permits to use parks and roads for events more expensive and significantly increased noise permit fees with PPMD.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 8649.245, "end": 8652.293, "text": "This is what a unified administration of this government was supposed to fix.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 8652.453, "end": 8655.774, "text": "We should not be granting dollars with one hand and then taking them back with the other.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 8656.448, "end": 8666.619, "text": "Our economic development and public space activation dollars are general fund dollars, and we recognize that support for small businesses and developments in music, arts, and small creative businesses is a priority.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 8667.294, "end": 8669.75, "text": "And we spend general fund on those initiatives.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 8670.168, "end": 8677.778, "text": "We recognize that nurturing the grassroots enterprises that are a national identity to our city benefits more than just the businesses themselves.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 8678.115, "end": 8684.393, "text": "And so we should be using targeted fee relief and progressive fee structures as an intentional economic development tool.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 8685.196, "end": 8692.196, "text": "It's an appropriate use of general fund dollars to support charging fees in priority areas at less than full cost recovery.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 8692.244, "end": 8692.34, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Addie Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 8693.783, "end": 8702.116, "text": "To CFO Beery, CA Lee, Mayor Wilson, this should be a high priority in our next budget cycle, and I intend to make it so.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 8702.677, "end": 8712.757, "text": "There's also another question here, which is, if this is what our permitting actually costs, should our processes and regulations just be simpler and cheaper internally?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 8714.199, "end": 8718.205, "text": "This ordinance is significantly raising the fees on theatrical fireworks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 8718.286, "end": 8720.324, "text": "Arms, like fake guns for a play.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 8721.496, "end": 8735.142, "text": "After this, Portland's stage gun fee will be higher than the combined long gun registration fee and fingerprinting charged by the New York Police Department to use a— and that is just for us to use a pretend gun on stage.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 8736.041, "end": 8740.937, "text": "Why is our process so complex that processing an application takes $250 of staff time?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 8741.724, "end": 8755.709, "text": "Why do we regulate laser light shows at a municipal level when most localities require only a blanket operator certificate rather than an a designed plan for every venue at $750, or at a single performance at $175 to review?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 8756.398, "end": 8771.109, "text": "And why does our process for processing a single floor plan for an arts and culture assembly permit, a maximum of 75 people at an event, a program that is intended to be used by small galleries and nonprofits, why does that cost $650 worth of staff time?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 8772.054, "end": 8775.648, "text": "I'm not going to reach down into this ordinance and try to I respect the bureau.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 8775.808, "end": 8784.803, "text": "I think you're doing— you're trying to do what is the right thing, but I feel there's a deep incoherence here between our values and the way that we are going to be making the numbers line up.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 8785.365, "end": 8789.349, "text": "I think we're not doing better because we're not really thinking about it clearly on an all-city basis.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 8789.509, "end": 8794.183, "text": "So I will be a no today on this item, and my no is an invitation to further work.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 8794.585, "end": 8795.34, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 8796.191, "end": 8797.685, "text": "And, uh, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 8798.215, "end": 8799.724, "text": "Um, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 8799.805, "end": 8803.726, "text": "I too was absent last week on family bereavement, and I I have some questions.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 8803.854, "end": 8809.71, "text": "So maybe if people from Portland Fire and Rescue could come up, that'd be helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 8819.358, "end": 8820.643, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 8822.009, "end": 8824.934, "text": "Hi, Angela Wright, budget analyst for fire.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 8825.223, "end": 8826.075, "text": "Your first name?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 8826.268, "end": 8826.798, "text": "Angela Wright.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 8827.248, "end": 8827.971, "text": "Angela, thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 8828.868, "end": 8830.249, "text": "And hello, Chief Johnson.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 8830.715, "end": 8839.048, "text": "Yeah, could you explain further the newly added inspection, testing, maintenance, ITM fees, and what are some examples of when that is charged?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 8840.541, "end": 8843.078, "text": "I'm gonna phone a friend on that.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 8843.399, "end": 8845.358, "text": "We're gonna let Fire Marshal Schimmel talk about it.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 8845.566, "end": 8847.044, "text": "I had a feeling you were gonna come up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 8847.204, "end": 8847.83, "text": "Nice to see you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 8847.991, "end": 8849.083, "text": "You get the whole team.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 8849.259, "end": 8849.596, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 8850.704, "end": 8853.835, "text": "Uh, for the record, Carrie Schimmel, Fire Marshal, Portland Fire and Rescue.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 8854.589, "end": 8860.967, "text": "Some examples are all sprinklers, alarms, fixed systems for hood at restaurants.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 8861.063, "end": 8864.107, "text": "Those are all included in the inspection, testing, maintenance.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 8864.268, "end": 8866.928, "text": "Okay, I thought that was the case, but I wanted that on the public record.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 8867.537, "end": 8869.252, "text": "These increases, they're quite steep.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 8869.316, "end": 8870.678, "text": "I think we can all agree on that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 8871.399, "end": 8879.395, "text": "And why are they separate from our usual fee updates with the annual budget, similar to some of the questions that were brought up or statements brought up by the council president?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 8882.277, "end": 8890.086, "text": "I can say initially we weren't sure if the decision package to increase fees was going to be included in the final budget.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 8893.529, "end": 8894, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 8894.162, "end": 8898.205, "text": "And what's the annual impact to revenue projected with these higher fees to users?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 8899.598, "end": 8904.199, "text": "We're estimating hopefully around $800,000, which was our initial trajectory.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 8905.984, "end": 8906.946, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 8907.427, "end": 8914.403, "text": "And can you walk me through what a small business, for example, would pay in total for fees in order to open their business in a new space for the first time?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 8914.964, "end": 8918.541, "text": "In other words, what's the total cost for a new business to be cleared to open?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 8918.973, "end": 8941.252, "text": "Similar to the statements made by Council President, that was what was in my head, is that, um, we're passing some items of legislation that seems like we're providing some aspirin to the headaches of expenses for businesses, and then we turn around and do this, and it feels disjointed at best.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 8942.366, "end": 8943.055, "text": "So I'm confused.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 8945.29, "end": 8945.691, "text": "Well, it's—.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 8945.707, "end": 8947.025, "text": "That was my editorial opinion.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 8947.089, "end": 8948.455, "text": "Now you could please answer the question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 8948.519, "end": 8949.516, "text": "I was going to try to wait for that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 8949.596, "end": 8949.901, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 8950.303, "end": 8950.689, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 8952.071, "end": 8957.833, "text": "Is the question just opening business, or is it like permitting if there's required fire systems?", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 8957.898, "end": 8964.138, "text": "I mean, To open a business, like to open the door, there's no fire inspection, there's no fees from fires.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 8964.251, "end": 8970.414, "text": "But if we're talking about the actual plan review, then that's something that falls under the building department.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 8970.671, "end": 8983.735, "text": "When I listen to folks that are trying to open a new business, especially in the hospitality world and venues for music and for restaurants, they complain a lot about the fees that kind of catch them off guard.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 8984.617, "end": 8987.408, "text": "And this does come up about the fire fees.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 8987.68, "end": 8991.4, "text": "So I'm just listening to constituents over the last 6 years and keep hearing that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 8991.865, "end": 8996.917, "text": "So this was startling for me to look at and think I could be supportive of it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 8997.558, "end": 9005.384, "text": "And so, so I think, well, so by you making that statement, I think you're talking more about the events, the special events.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 9005.64, "end": 9015.869, "text": "And so when a business works outside of what they're permitted through the building department, That's where our special use permits come into place through the Fire Marshal's Office.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 9016.639, "end": 9021.832, "text": "So there's fees for those additional events that aren't covered under how the business was approved.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 9022.538, "end": 9025.167, "text": "But you're not— so I hear that, thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 9025.423, "end": 9033.775, "text": "But for a new business, you're saying there's no fees for them to pass these permits, pass these tests?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 9034.416, "end": 9039.914, "text": "Well, that's where I— there's a whole kind of the construction fees, the systems themselves.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 9040.171, "end": 9044.483, "text": "If we're looking beyond that and just like a fire inspector coming in to do a fire final.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1541", "start": 9044.531, "end": 9047.658, "text": "So then the, the inspections are complete.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1542", "start": 9047.722, "end": 9053.045, "text": "There's no fee for that fire final, but there might be— our fee schedule is very complicated.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1543", "start": 9053.19, "end": 9062.361, "text": "So I mean, you're— there's so many different scenarios on if we're talking about getting temporary permits or inspections that are every 2 years.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1544", "start": 9063.018, "end": 9066.449, "text": "Um, so there's, there's a lot of different variables.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1545", "start": 9066.722, "end": 9069.656, "text": "So it's— I'm not totally sure what the question is because—.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 9069.833, "end": 9071.035, "text": "Just trying to get to the point.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 9071.26, "end": 9079.602, "text": "We're trying to true up how to operate the Fire Bureau, and we went through a pretty long process in the budget season about how to do that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 9080.76, "end": 9091.005, "text": "And so when we try to recoup those balancing act with additional fees, that, that's what people experience 3 to 4 months later.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 9091.118, "end": 9093.605, "text": "It just— I, I don't like it as a governance practice.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 9096.327, "end": 9100.769, "text": "Lauren Johnson, for the record, and Councilor, I want to acknowledge that and then just note that it might be helpful.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 9100.915, "end": 9107.368, "text": "We can Connect with you offline and you can let us know which types of businesses.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 9107.48, "end": 9119.549, "text": "And I think it'd be helpful for you to understand there are some businesses that are 4 walls and there's no real cost to them from a fire inspection standpoint when they're opening a business.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1553", "start": 9120.223, "end": 9130.577, "text": "However, if it's an assembly gathering, if it's a cooking or a hazmat business, there are all separate fees that would come with standing up a business like that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1554", "start": 9130.705, "end": 9130.865, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1555", "start": 9131.378, "end": 9137.471, "text": "So I think it's hard for us to answer a question about in general, what does it cost a business owner when they're starting a new business?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1556", "start": 9137.536, "end": 9139.267, "text": "But we're happy to have those discussions.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1557", "start": 9139.363, "end": 9145.681, "text": "And even in our last presentation, kind of called out for special events and permitted assemblies.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1558", "start": 9146.114, "end": 9149.048, "text": "We know that that's a topic that you guys are interested in.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1559", "start": 9149.16, "end": 9158.813, "text": "So maybe we'd, we'd love to be able to provide more detail as it relates to the people who are contacting you so that you can have that information.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1560", "start": 9158.861, "end": 9158.989, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1561", "start": 9159.586, "end": 9160.878, "text": "And I appreciate that, Chief Johnson.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1562", "start": 9160.926, "end": 9161.975, "text": "We'll have that conversation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1563", "start": 9162.556, "end": 9167.803, "text": "I will be voting no on this today, and we'll have— continue to have this dialogue.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 9168.11, "end": 9168.595, "text": "Sounds good.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 9169.112, "end": 9169.258, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 9169.517, "end": 9178.213, "text": "And I mean, I think just to follow up on your point, it's important to note that our intent with this is not full cost recovery.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 9178.309, "end": 9188.306, "text": "I think we've explained in a couple of different venues with different councilors, the way our inspection fees are set up is not for full cost recovery.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 9189.147, "end": 9203.822, "text": "And also that we needed to get in line with what PP&D's fees are so that we'll be on a more regular schedule for updating so that you won't see this new cost that seems like it's years' worth all coming at once.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1569", "start": 9204.335, "end": 9207.013, "text": "So we have plans to do that better moving forward.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1570", "start": 9207.222, "end": 9209.259, "text": "I think I'm rooting for that better practice.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1571", "start": 9209.595, "end": 9209.932, "text": "Yes, sir.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1572", "start": 9210.237, "end": 9210.67, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1573", "start": 9212.162, "end": 9212.819, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1574", "start": 9213.14, "end": 9213.701, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1575", "start": 9214.246, "end": 9215.209, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1576", "start": 9215.289, "end": 9217.181, "text": "Yeah, I really appreciate everyone being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1577", "start": 9218.128, "end": 9229.106, "text": "And this— some of this came up in committee, the idea that this will move to a regular cadence of every year or 2 as part of the normal fee structure, that it's towards but not achieving full cost recovery.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 9229.25, "end": 9237.757, "text": "I think with one potential exception that I hope to resolve outside of this ordinance, I think in general we can't ask the Fire Bureau to do the work and then not resource you to do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 9237.853, "end": 9244.522, "text": "And at a time where we were sitting here debating whether or not St. Johns deserves a fire engine because we can't afford it, Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 9244.779, "end": 9249.514, "text": "Or why we can't have 3 fire rescues in Southeast and East Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 9249.563, "end": 9258.527, "text": "It doesn't make sense to me to continue perpetuating this imbalance of the work and the cost on the one hand and no increase on the other.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1582", "start": 9258.818, "end": 9267.551, "text": "This also includes things related to the alarms, for example, which is a perpetual issue in terms of responding to false alarms.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 9267.599, "end": 9269.198, "text": "So there's a lot in here, obviously.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 9269.38, "end": 9275.264, "text": "Obviously, I, I actually do agree with the underlying concern that, that, uh, Council President raised.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 9275.665, "end": 9285.815, "text": "And maybe this relates to, um, sort of how we were talking, to, to use a completely different example, of maybe if the state followed their own public meetings law, they'd fix it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 9286.713, "end": 9298.162, "text": "Um, maybe if we actually showed what the work here is and how much it costs to do some of these, um, particular checks, we would realize that it's not— the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and we should just stop stop doing the check at all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 9298.675, "end": 9308.329, "text": "But I think that the approach to that is actually what we approved in the consent agenda today, which is 4 ordinances from Councilor Novick that went back and said we don't actually need this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 9308.922, "end": 9312.033, "text": "Um, and that was in collaboration with the relevant bureaus in that case.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 9312.691, "end": 9318.367, "text": "Um, we saw this in New York where they got rid of the permit that's special for an ice cream scooping facility.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 9318.865, "end": 9323.178, "text": "And it's like, it's— if you have a scoop shop, you don't need a special permit in addition to everything else.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 9323.274, "end": 9333.528, "text": "You need to just be I think we need to go through and do that sort of as a permit hygiene process is how I'd kind of describe that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 9333.624, "end": 9338.126, "text": "But I don't think it makes sense to perpetuate the financial problem in the short term.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 9338.254, "end": 9345.864, "text": "I did want to mention I amended out the emergency clause from this in committee so that we could have this sort of conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 9345.96, "end": 9354.723, "text": "And I'm really grateful that we are because I think these are the sorts of things where we shouldn't be just surprising people with a change that takes effect immediately and doesn't have 2 weeks of conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 9354.771, "end": 9355.188, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 9355.871, "end": 9365.279, "text": "So I'm very grateful to the council president for bringing that up, as well as I actually also agree with a lot of what Councilor Ryan was talking about as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 9367.332, "end": 9371.598, "text": "When we're talking about— and we could go through all of these things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 9371.857, "end": 9382.548, "text": "The one thing that I would flag for later, I'm gonna vote to support this, but the one thing I would flag for later is there are— I don't know that we should be creating a cost to exercise a right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 9383.351, "end": 9391.077, "text": "And so the idea of having event permits, I understand, like, under the event permit, it talks about, like, a fee if you don't have a fire extinguisher.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 9391.302, "end": 9394.675, "text": "I don't— that's just probably in the wrong category, but it's a good thing to charge for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 9394.996, "end": 9404.907, "text": "But I do think that we should move towards the idea that it's our obligation as the city to use general fund dollars to give the resources to the bureaus necessary for every Portlander to exercise their First Amendment right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 9405.357, "end": 9413.726, "text": "And so I'd like to see down the line us move away from charging any 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"cue-1609", "start": 9432.266, "end": 9433.551, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1610", "start": 9434.499, "end": 9437.534, "text": "Question, when were the last time that the these, uh, fees were updated?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1611", "start": 9438.593, "end": 9442.525, "text": "So a majority of these fees have not been updated since prior to 2012.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 9443.408, "end": 9445.237, "text": "That would be roughly 88% of them.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 9445.976, "end": 9448.126, "text": "Okay, until 2012?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 9448.399, "end": 9448.544, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 9448.945, "end": 9460.709, "text": "And, um, I do understand some of the things that, uh, Council President is talking about in terms of all the fees that we're asking our residents to improve, from the TUF to all the other things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 9460.757, "end": 9465.38, "text": "And now we have an increased ARTA tax that will automatically go up with inflation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 9465.429, "end": 9475.175, "text": "So I'm concerned, uh, and I did not support that, but I am just concerned that these go up so quickly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 9475.287, "end": 9476.539, "text": "It's so high so soon.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1619", "start": 9476.716, "end": 9481.677, "text": "Will we be coming back again, or is there going to be a regular cadence in how you come back?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1620", "start": 9481.726, "end": 9482.93, "text": "Is that going to be every 2 years?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1621", "start": 9482.978, "end": 9484.166, "text": "Is that 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"cue-1633", "start": 9550.038, "end": 9550.897, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 9550.945, "end": 9551.869, "text": "You gave me a lot to think about.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 9555.144, "end": 9556.697, "text": "Um, I thank you for leading that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 9557.376, "end": 9559.947, "text": "Um, I guess I have a question, uh, Chief Johnson.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 9560.319, "end": 9564.073, "text": "If, if these fees were not updated, would this— the work would still get done?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 9565.265, "end": 9565.592, "text": "It would.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 9566.212, "end": 9568.657, "text": "This leaves an $800,000 hole That's right.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 9572.87, "end": 9573.742, "text": "If I could add something.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 9574.42, "end": 9576.405, "text": "Owen Saitz, budget manager for public safety.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 9577.29, "end": 9578.192, "text": "I just started recently.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 9578.997, "end": 9589.345, "text": "Adding a bit to the conversation on the cadence of updating fees, there is financial policy that has us at a minimum of 3 years.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 9589.393, "end": 9593.166, "text": "Every 3 years we need to at least be doing a comprehensive fee study.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 9593.593, "end": 9599.716, "text": "So that's something that we'll be working on reevaluating and— or not reevaluating, something we'll be bringing back.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 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9631.003, "end": 9632.661, "text": "Is that— I'm just learning this for the first time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 9632.919, "end": 9633.16, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 9634.046, "end": 9648.055, "text": "Um, $800,000 is not a trivial amount of money because last year, or just last spring, we fought tooth and nail to try to restore a cut to a fire engine in St. Johns that was about half of that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 9649.05, "end": 9650.446, "text": "And I, I think about that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 9651.216, "end": 9673.298, "text": "Um, I think more broadly though, I, I don't think cost recovery fee models make sense for public safety bureaus, largely because the sort of reason why you're doing the, um, particularly fire here, you're doing this because it provides— I mean, fire safety is not just about one individual private property.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 9673.378, "end": 9680.135, "text": "It is about sort of a Neighborhood effect is sort of— there's positive externalities, I'll say, to have this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 9680.28, "end": 9686.844, "text": "And so it makes sense that this is a cost that gets smoothed and peanut buttered over our whole general fund.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 9686.924, "end": 9688.032, "text": "That's the way that I think about it, at least.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 9688.144, "end": 9693.633, "text": "And so if we have a comprehensive fee study coming up soon, that's— that right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 9693.778, "end": 9694.291, "text": "Is that right, Owen?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 9695.126, "end": 9705.494, "text": "We're looking into the cadence of that, and obviously the Fire Bureau just updated fees First time— well, this would update fees for the first time in a long time, so we'll look on bringing that in a more regular cadence.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 9706.35, "end": 9706.479, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 9706.69, "end": 9727.81, "text": "Um, I think, I think the broad concerns that Council President raised need to be at the forefront of our next comprehensive study, but I'm going to have a hard time voting no knowing that it leaves— I mean, we only, we only got one-time funding for the fire engine in St. Johns, and I That's right.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 9727.81, "end": 9730.55, "text": "That's the engine that responds to the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 9730.55, "end": 9735.49, "text": "So I just— I'm going to have to be a yes on this, even though I don't particularly like the model.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 9735.73, "end": 9736.59, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 9736.59, "end": 9737.63, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 9737.63, "end": 9738.94, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 9739.35, "end": 9740.19, "text": "Thank you, Councilor President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 9740.19, "end": 9741.29, "text": "This has been a great discussion.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 9741.61, "end": 9742.57, "text": "I really appreciate it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 9742.57, "end": 9746.71, "text": "And I'm intrigued by Councilor Kanal's comments about do we really need all these.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1673", "start": 9747.19, "end": 9751.77, "text": "And maybe when we do the comprehensive study, we'll determine that, if these are all really necessary.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1674", "start": 9752.457, "end": 9760.303, "text": "But I do have 2 questions, and I don't know if they're for Owen or the chief, but I'm just curious, um, is there an appeals process for some of these?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1675", "start": 9760.897, "end": 9767.235, "text": "And secondly, how do we stack up with other cities our size across the country?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1676", "start": 9767.315, "end": 9769.866, "text": "Is— are we kind of in the same ballpark?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 9770.043, "end": 9786.409, "text": "Yeah, um, I'll let Chief Schemmel talk about the appeals process, and then we'll bring up the information about how we used other peer cities to arrive at The, the short answer is yes, there's appeal process.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 9787.411, "end": 9794.9, "text": "And, um, we also, within our title, Title 31, there's also a process for non— nonprofit and other fee waivers.", "speaker": "Carrie Schimmel" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 9799.146, "end": 9815.348, "text": "And then as far as the city comparables, um, on average, let me see, um, So we're on average— our current fees, when we look at comparable cities, were about $146 below their fees.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 9815.605, "end": 9821.2, "text": "And then even with the updated, uh, we would still be on average $53 below those fees.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 9822.193, "end": 9823.043, "text": "Well, that's interesting.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 9823.091, "end": 9830.658, "text": "It's not necessarily a justification for what we're doing here because we are in hard times in the city, but appreciate the information.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 9831.075, "end": 9831.347, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 9832.358, "end": 9833.257, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1685", "start": 9833.418, "end": 9834.108, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1686", "start": 9835.103, "end": 9836.226, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1687", "start": 9836.852, "end": 9847.269, "text": "Um, first of all, I just want to say I keep hearing from constituents about their concerns with, um, the warming fires from those living on the streets that turn into— that can turn into wildfires.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1688", "start": 9847.863, "end": 9857.78, "text": "So I've been really clear that the first responders in police and fire should never be on the chopping block, and we really need to have more support in the general fund for both of those bureaus.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1689", "start": 9858.678, "end": 9867.283, "text": "Um, I think my concern is just around the practice here, and I didn't hear a good answer on why was the last adjustment in 2012.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1690", "start": 9867.347, "end": 9872.763, "text": "That, that did startle me, so I had to hear why and how we cannot ever experience that again.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 9872.891, "end": 9878.034, "text": "And if no one was here in 2012, that's way out of this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 9878.227, "end": 9880.342, "text": "I would say none of us were here then.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 9880.39, "end": 9882.313, "text": "Fair, that's why I wanted to get—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 9882.313, "end": 9886.833, "text": "It's also, um, diagnosed on how that can never happen again, right?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 9886.961, "end": 9894.866, "text": "This is, uh, so the last update was in 2021, so we are on like the 5-year schedule that had been prior to this.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 9895.139, "end": 9897.929, "text": "Um, our information said, you know, 5 years.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 9898.426, "end": 9903.621, "text": "Um, but there was only like 3 fees that were updated in 2021.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 9904.054, "end": 9905.753, "text": "4 On the fire schedule, correct.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 9906.202, "end": 9911.718, "text": "Um, and then, um, so minimal compared to the overall total number of fees that we have.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 9913.091, "end": 9922.37, "text": "And then we took that on from people previously in this position that it was something we would be working on this year.", "speaker": "Angela Wright" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 9922.647, "end": 9924.067, "text": "And so then started from there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 9926.57, "end": 9935.052, "text": "One reason I was really supportive of having a city administrator that could really hear these type of dialogues so that our cultural practices can keep improving.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 9935.586, "end": 9939.195, "text": "So I think it's the extremeness because we haven't dug really into this.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1704", "start": 9942.328, "end": 9951.523, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1705", "start": 9951.943, "end": 9953.108, "text": "Councilor— hold on.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1706", "start": 9953.771, "end": 9956.797, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1707", "start": 9959.127, "end": 9970.907, "text": "For the last 20 months now, and going back to the campaign, we've been hearing about the feeling from Portlanders that we need to focus on the basics, the core functions of government.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1708", "start": 9971.661, "end": 9975.785, "text": "We've also been hearing from Portlanders about the need to focus on things that unify us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 9977.196, "end": 9983.599, "text": "There is one bureau at the center of the overlap in that Venn diagram, and it is the Fire Bureau.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 9984.497, "end": 9989.519, "text": "It is also the bureau that for years we have piled work onto and not funded fully.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 9990.113, "end": 9991.91, "text": "This has come up in both of the budget cycles.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 9991.958, "end": 9992.889, "text": "It's come up under multiple chiefs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1713", "start": 9992.953, "end": 9993.049, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1714", "start": 9993.13, "end": 9997.331, "text": "Has come up under 3 DCAs now, uh, since we've been here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1715", "start": 9998.678, "end": 10003.2, "text": "I am watching us talk about the arts tax.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1716", "start": 10003.665, "end": 10008.523, "text": "I am watching us talk about the TUF, and those are great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1717", "start": 10008.78, "end": 10009.886, "text": "Extra stuff is good.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1718", "start": 10010.143, "end": 10014.841, "text": "And, and frankly, the TUF is not extra stuff, by the way, uh, but it's important as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1719", "start": 10016.156, "end": 10024.24, "text": "And I am stunned that we're sitting here talking about blowing an $800,000 hole in the budget of the Portland Fire and Rescue Bureau.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1720", "start": 10024.32, "end": 10025.381, "text": "I do not understand it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1721", "start": 10025.943, "end": 10035.654, "text": "I am happy to go back and change some of our previous decisions if there's an overall concern about the level of taxation and fees that we're charging here at the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1722", "start": 10036.009, "end": 10054.88, "text": "But in terms of this one and in terms of ensuring that the Fire Bureau has enough money, and we could talk about is cost recovery the best way, and we should talk about that, but when we tried to fund it through several other amendments in the budget, or when we tried to get the mayor to propose adequate funding for fire in the first place, those didn't happen.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 10054.928, "end": 10056.547, "text": "So now we're here, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 10057.477, "end": 10066.054, "text": "Um, it took, I think, 7 different attempts, 5 actual votes to get the fire engine funded, and that got 7 votes, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 10066.535, "end": 10071.104, "text": "Um, I, I do recognize that everybody here voted for at least one way to fund that, and I want to note that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 10071.665, "end": 10076.712, "text": "Um, But I am just stunned that that is the conversation we're having right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 10079.508, "end": 10085.663, "text": "Anybody who's been on a ride-along has heard from firefighters that they have been asked to do more.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 10086.434, "end": 10089.221, "text": "The call volume to staffing ratio at fire has gone up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 10089.269, "end": 10098.068, "text": "Nobody talks about it because we are in a habit and in a practice of only talking about bureaus that are political in their call volume to staffing ratio.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 10098.121, "end": 10098.262, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 10098.883, "end": 10100.328, "text": "And not talking about it with fire.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 10101.356, "end": 10113.784, "text": "And we have watched as we have seen the fire station with the largest increase in call volume, Station 8, lose its double company in parallel to that process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 10114.779, "end": 10118.296, "text": "And we're talking about blowing an $800,000 hole into the budget now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 10119.677, "end": 10120.624, "text": "This won't be enough.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 10120.945, "end": 10123.466, "text": "The fire engine costs $2.5 million in one-time funding.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 10123.53, "end": 10123.787, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 10124.189, "end": 10128.897, "text": "It was $1.65 million for the rescue units, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 10129.074, "end": 10131.58, "text": "But why pile on another $800,000 onto it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 10132.03, "end": 10141.88, "text": "And when we've been hearing about it for a long time, and anybody who's worked here for a while, and I know many of you have, I've seen Angela's work for a few years on it now from when I worked at the PSSA.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 10142.395, "end": 10147.247, "text": "Obviously, we all know the other folks up here as well from the last year and a half.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 10148.581, "end": 10149.417, "text": "This is not new.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 10150.097, "end": 10156.307, "text": "We've been hearing about it from some of the people in the back of the room as well, about how the budget is structurally not designed well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 10157.374, "end": 10167.261, "text": "That can't get fixed here, but we have to do this in order to get to a place where we can have that conversation without having short-term consequences that are much worse.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 10169.778, "end": 10177.769, "text": "So I would say it is good for us to think about the overall volume of taxes and fees that we have as a city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1745", "start": 10178.704, "end": 10181.481, "text": "But the way to fix that is this is not the place to draw the line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1746", "start": 10181.978, "end": 10192.988, "text": "If we are going to do that, we should go back to some of the conversations we've had about things that are maybe not as unifying, maybe not as much core services, and are not the first thing you would put in the center of that Venn diagram.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1747", "start": 10193.775, "end": 10193.951, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1748", "start": 10194.657, "end": 10195.363, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1749", "start": 10195.701, "end": 10196.359, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 10197.161, "end": 10198.381, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 10198.445, "end": 10206.084, "text": "There's clearly, you know, our fees are about They're about funding the city.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 10206.213, "end": 10210.481, "text": "They are also about sometimes incentivizing or disincentivizing behavior.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 10210.562, "end": 10217.013, "text": "And I think what I'm hearing across the dais is that we have a tension between those 2 things in this fee proposal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 10217.061, "end": 10219.837, "text": "And I just think it's worth stating that clearly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 10220.672, "end": 10238.99, "text": "We are perhaps inadvertently disincentivizing things we want to incentivize in order to get cost recovery, which I actually think cost recovery is important in the Fire Bureau because it's about the risk that you as an individual pose to the community around you and how we address that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 10240.16, "end": 10255.021, "text": "But I just want to ask a question about how we make sure we don't end up over a quarter of the way into the budget year voting on fees that now won't be able to be levied until almost halfway through the budget year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 10255.55, "end": 10255.887, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 10256.656, "end": 10260.81, "text": "For a budget that we approved with the revenue from these fees in it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 10260.986, "end": 10276.124, "text": "And I'm still not totally clear, though I know one of my colleagues asked the question, why this wasn't approved during the budget and how we were legally able to approve a budget that was not funded.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 10276.814, "end": 10284.48, "text": "So can somebody tell me how that happened and how we make sure either CFO Biery or City Administrator Lee we don't do that again?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 10284.835, "end": 10286.866, "text": "Because this isn't a great situation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 10286.931, "end": 10293.735, "text": "I mean, we're talking an $800,000 budget hole, but we're going to have a budget hole one way or another because this doesn't go into effect until November.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 10295.16, "end": 10296.813, "text": "That's almost halfway through the fiscal year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 10300.741, "end": 10302.718, "text": "Uh, yeah, thank you, uh, Councilor, for the questions.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 10302.766, "end": 10304.871, "text": "For the record, Jonas Biery, Chief Financial Officer.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 10304.935, "end": 10309.853, "text": "And apologies, I didn't hear the first part of the conversation, so hopefully I'm, I'm jumping And at an appropriate time.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 10310.959, "end": 10326.532, "text": "So acknowledge that, yes, the process we've had in the past where sometimes fees are implemented as a prospective revenue in the budget, which is allowed— I mean, property taxes, for example, are all an estimate, right?", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 10326.596, "end": 10329.4, "text": "So that's normal budget practice, but it's not ideal.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 10330.025, "end": 10344.753, "text": "And so we've had a legacy practice at the city where often those fee-related decisions are made at the last Last moment and we don't have time to implement them technically in alignment with the budget, even though that's our ideal.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 10345.73, "end": 10365.045, "text": "To correct for that, we're taking— and we talked about some of this in the budget process work session a few weeks ago— we're taking a different approach both in expectations throughout the organization about doing the analysis and developing the proposal during the initial budget development during this upcoming budget cycle and in the future.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 10365.125, "end": 10365.301, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 10366.263, "end": 10369.71, "text": "Both so we can be aware of what those changes and trade-offs might be.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 10369.79, "end": 10376.202, "text": "I heard some conversation about being strategic and making sure we're looking at the upstream, downstream, and collective impacts.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 10376.779, "end": 10378.35, "text": "So that will be part of that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 10378.831, "end": 10396.849, "text": "The second part of that improvement will be making space in an earlier work session around the budget to have that dialogue with council so that that information is daylighted and known and hopefully can align so that those changes can be implemented alongside as a complete package.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 10396.961, "end": 10397.217, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 10397.442, "end": 10400.487, "text": "Great, thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 10400.568, "end": 10404.367, "text": "I am glad to hear we already have 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"text": "I know that's been answered technically, why didn't that happen, but functionally, I don't know why that wasn't part of the process.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 10433.415, "end": 10438.324, "text": "So I'm glad to hear we have things in place to make sure that we're running a little smoother next year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 10438.405, "end": 10438.744, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 10440.931, "end": 10441.804, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 10441.998, "end": 10442.531, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 10443.113, "end": 10443.436, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 10443.533, "end": 10445.278, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, 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put them in the budget.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1807", "start": 10530.357, "end": 10535.364, "text": "So when you talk to the mayor and say what you need, why wasn't that a thing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1808", "start": 10536.536, "end": 10547.887, "text": "And I know, um, Chief, you were not here, and so you were not responsible for the 2012, but I can't imagine that, um, we haven't updated something in 2012.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1809", "start": 10548.545, "end": 10550.536, "text": "And people say, you know, City Council is not doing anything.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1810", "start": 10550.633, "end": 10551.146, "text": "That's not true.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1811", "start": 10551.612, "end": 10552.607, "text": "We are all doing things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1812", "start": 10552.72, "end": 10563.22, "text": "We've been passing all kind of legislation up 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10585.523, "end": 10585.619, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David Guither" }, { "id": "cue-1818", "start": 10586.052, "end": 10587.062, "text": "We've been doing our jobs.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1819", "start": 10587.815, "end": 10591.036, "text": "And so it makes it look like that we're the ones that are, that are doing all of this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1820", "start": 10591.1, "end": 10591.917, "text": "But I'm not happy about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1821", "start": 10591.965, "end": 10600.106, "text": "I'm going to support it, but I'm not happy about it and how things come before us as if it is an emergency and it was never heard of before.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1822", "start": 10600.218, "end": 10605.522, "text": "I've never heard of this whole issue, never heard that there was going to be a big $800,000 hole.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1823", "start": 10605.842, "end": 10611.595, "text": "I would have loved to, Sameer, to, um, support that in the budget and just acknowledge it, that it is an issue.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1824", "start": 10612.028, "end": 10618.387, "text": "That's something that we need to be aware of, but this just seems kind of, um, late.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1825", "start": 10618.451, "end": 10619.761, "text": "It's just late.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1826", "start": 10620.408, "end": 10620.828, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1827", "start": 10621.055, "end": 10622.09, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1828", "start": 10622.381, "end": 10622.93, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1829", "start": 10624.208, "end": 10625.032, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1830", "start": 10625.275, "end": 10628.021, "text": "I just wanted to express my appreciation for Councilor Kanal's comments.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1831", "start": 10629.295, "end": 10630.134, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1832", "start": 10630.344, "end": 10630.973, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1833", "start": 10632.683, "end": 10633.167, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1834", "start": 10636.822, "end": 10641.62, "text": "Um, I mean, I, I voted no in committee largely for many of the reasons that came up.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1835", "start": 10641.701, "end": 10644.633, "text": "It was like, there has to be a line in our professionalism, Mr.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1836", "start": 10644.681, "end": 10645.277, "text": "Administrator.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1837", "start": 10645.777, "end": 10663.274, "text": "And, uh, I felt that getting, getting this kind of ask out of, out of cycle— having been on that side, right, and now on this side, there is— we want to make decisions with an eye to everything that's going on.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1838", "start": 10663.323, "end": 10668.594, "text": "And those were some of the comments I think that the council president alluded to of, of those costs and recoveries.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1839", "start": 10670.631, "end": 10682.803, "text": "I don't believe that the work happened to outline with councilors why this was such a one-off, why this was such an emergency, why this was happening now and out of the normal sense.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1840", "start": 10682.98, "end": 10685.776, "text": "And I think that a little conversation can go a long way.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1841", "start": 10686.44, "end": 10707.225, "text": "Um, I, you know, the last couple of months I've just— I would just say from a service area perspective, not any of the one bureaus, but a service area perspective, I'm continually being disappointed by the public service area, public safety service area, in terms of how the work is arriving to council and what's being worked on.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1842", "start": 10707.594, "end": 10714.902, "text": "And so I just very much would encourage, um, some emphasis in this service area.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1843", "start": 10715.849, "end": 10726.199, "text": "This is the kind of thing that shouldn't have been difficult, and this is the kind of thing That, um, can be required.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1844", "start": 10726.813, "end": 10747.211, "text": "You know, we've got some needs in terms of some of the holes to fill, etc., but there's also an aspect that some of the conversations about requiring people to do their right and the permits we take out and public and, and, and, and the idea about cost recovery in public safety, I think those are, those are discussions that we haven't had, um, and I, and I'm not there with them.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1845", "start": 10747.259, "end": 10747.356, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1846", "start": 10747.49, "end": 10762.961, "text": "I'm also a hell of a lot more often going to be a yes on things that when the bureau comes forward to us and says the increase we're proposing to you, council, matches the COLA for this year or matches the inflation rate for this year.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1847", "start": 10763.411, "end": 10765.433, "text": "That is such an easy conversation to have.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1848", "start": 10765.497, "end": 10768.242, "text": "And frankly, I could say most of my career has been that way.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1849", "start": 10768.948, "end": 10775.092, "text": "But to hear about a 2012 item that hasn't been changed and then kind of have it come in as seen as a small thing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1850", "start": 10775.3, "end": 10775.877, "text": "It's a big thing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1851", "start": 10776.871, "end": 10778.89, "text": "Um, and here's the last part of that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1852", "start": 10779.435, "end": 10788.217, "text": "None of this tells me that we're right-sizing it to the right cost so that if we do choose to go with the cost of inflation here on out, that we've set the correct baseline.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1853", "start": 10789.13, "end": 10794.883, "text": "So this is where I'm challenged right now with the service area, and I'm challenged with, um, these types of topics.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1854", "start": 10794.931, "end": 10805.007, "text": "And frankly, Council President outlined even more details on this than I I even understand how it affects everyday community life.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1855", "start": 10805.703, "end": 10806.868, "text": "That is challenging.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1856", "start": 10806.916, "end": 10812.233, "text": "And so my no vote in committee again goes like, we have a process for a reason.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1857", "start": 10812.347, "end": 10815.804, "text": "We have times in which we go through fees and schedules, and that's the budget process.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1858", "start": 10818.806, "end": 10824.749, "text": "And I'm— I don't want to be a no on principle.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1859", "start": 10825.533, "end": 10831.053, "text": "But I also have not been convinced that these are the right fees and the right costs and it's the right time to do this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1860", "start": 10831.149, "end": 10842.285, "text": "And so this has been challenging because we've got some competing thoughts up here, um, and I was hoping that we would have heard more since my committee vote of no to bring me to a yes, but I'm, I'm, I'm remaining challenged by that right now.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1861", "start": 10842.446, "end": 10843.649, "text": "I just need to share that with you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1862", "start": 10845.029, "end": 10845.879, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1863", "start": 10845.992, "end": 10846.601, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1864", "start": 10846.874, "end": 10847.997, "text": "Yes, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1865", "start": 10848.463, "end": 10851.479, "text": "I just want to get some more little bit of information about process.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1866", "start": 10851.527, "end": 10863.54, "text": "So when did you first bring I mean, it's been a while.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1867", "start": 10863.685, "end": 10865.569, "text": "Well, yeah, Councilor, I'll take a stab.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" 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committee, which I think information the chief may have.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1872", "start": 10902.998, "end": 10921.833, "text": "Yes, and sorry for listening with one ear to Jonas and then getting more information from our So I sent a memo in June, and then we went to Chiefs of Staff in July— at the end of— oh, in August, and we came to CAPS in September.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1873", "start": 10923.148, "end": 10925.555, "text": "Okay, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1874", "start": 10926.646, "end": 10926.838, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1875", "start": 10926.919, "end": 10932.887, "text": "So we have to improve our practices when— and there needs to be better communication about urgency.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1876", "start": 10933.32, "end": 10938.826, "text": "So I I think we— Council, I'm not on the committee, but it seems like we added to this timeline.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1877", "start": 10939.195, "end": 10943.369, "text": "So I just had to get more information to understand why this was so delayed.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1878", "start": 10943.658, "end": 10944.894, "text": "Yeah, understood.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1879", "start": 10945.681, "end": 10965.685, "text": "And just real quick, Councilor Zimmerman, I want to acknowledge your comments and then just let you know, for what it's worth, that these fee increases do get us back to the practice that we've been at in terms of cost recovery, so that if we were to just implement annual cost of living or inflation increases, that, that would keep us on pace.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1880", "start": 10966.332, "end": 10976.099, "text": "So set that there, and then the next conversation is certainly if we got guidance from city 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"cue-1886", "start": 11006.209, "end": 11007.479, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1887", "start": 11007.816, "end": 11010.677, "text": "I put myself back in the queue, colleagues, for a second bit of comment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1888", "start": 11011.126, "end": 11017.855, "text": "I just— one of the things that, um, the fire department has to do is approve floor plans for assembly spaces, right?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1889", "start": 11018.835, "end": 11020.617, "text": "Places where people gather.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1890", "start": 11020.906, "end": 11031.728, "text": "And, uh, that's theaters, large restaurants, big open space areas, and, you know, of course, of personal interest to me, music venues, uh, where people come together.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1891", "start": 11031.776, "end": 11041.808, "text": "The Fire Bureau has to do a lot of real extra work to make sure that it's safe and that the floor plan makes sense, and that people can get out if there's a problem, unquestionably.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1892", "start": 11041.872, "end": 11045.915, "text": "But let me just say again though, Portland needs people to get out.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1893", "start": 11046.845, "end": 11053.583, "text": "We have to be out in society around each other celebrating life, spending money, making the streets safer by their presence.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1894", "start": 11053.663, "end": 11060.866, "text": "The benefit of an assembly space is not just to the operator, but also in major ways as a benefit to the city as a whole.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1895", "start": 11061.042, "end": 11068.818, "text": "And so you know that I think of neighborhood music venues, restaurants and bars As the mortar that holds our city together, and we need more of that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1896", "start": 11068.898, "end": 11073.192, "text": "And a lot of these businesses are already operating on a shoestring of a shoestring budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1897", "start": 11074.122, "end": 11078.032, "text": "So we should have a way to think about fees that acknowledges that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1898", "start": 11078.657, "end": 11097.372, "text": "And I think it's true that across bureaus, not just fire— I'm not trying to pick on y'all, although I do have a problem with the laser permit— but, uh, there is a direct correlation between where the fire bureau and places where artists, including chefs and all kinds of artists do their work that makes our city beautiful, and we don't have a strategy, and we should.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1899", "start": 11098.014, "end": 11107.892, "text": "So Owen, City Administrator Jonas, Chief, I'm excited to work with you and the administration on thinking this through, um, and thinking through what the fee study can be.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1900", "start": 11108.053, "end": 11109.466, "text": "So thank you for your hard work.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1901", "start": 11109.547, "end": 11111.699, "text": "Please don't take this as a personal criticism.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1902", "start": 11112.068, "end": 11112.663, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1903", "start": 11113.016, "end": 11114.799, "text": "Council President, I just have a quick question.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1904", "start": 11114.847, "end": 11116.469, "text": "You tell me the, the order on this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1905", "start": 11116.871, "end": 11123.891, "text": "I know I've noticed how when things have an urgency or it's put on our agenda, it has Mayor Wilson's name on it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1906", "start": 11124.582, "end": 11128.453, "text": "Why don't we have these bureaus who are trying to put this stuff forward as the bureau?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1907", "start": 11128.501, "end": 11132.662, "text": "Because that's what we used to do at the county, so we know who's putting this forward.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1908", "start": 11133.24, "end": 11136.999, "text": "And because we don't even know who we're going to be talking to, we have no list of names or anything.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1909", "start": 11137.047, "end": 11139.055, "text": "It's just been driving me crazy for a year and a half.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1910", "start": 11139.907, "end": 11147.889, "text": "Good point to bring up, because actually that is specifically written out in 3.02, our Council rules, and we are going to be having a conversation about that very soon.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1911", "start": 11147.953, "end": 11150.41, "text": "So is it that— can bureaus bring things forward?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1912", "start": 11150.458, "end": 11154.777, "text": "Currently under our 3.02 rules, it must be an elected official whose name is in the sponsor line.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1913", "start": 11154.858, "end": 11156.367, "text": "So that's why the mayor's name is on it?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1914", "start": 11156.447, "end": 11156.64, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1915", "start": 11157.009, "end": 11157.86, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1916", "start": 11157.908, "end": 11160.413, "text": "The councilor could also be the, uh, the auditor as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1917", "start": 11160.622, "end": 11167.783, "text": "But okay, so, so we will have a chance to say that this is the mayor and then which bureau it should be, because then we'll know who's going to come up before us, right?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1918", "start": 11167.879, "end": 11172.376, "text": "I certainly think there is an opportunity for additional information Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1919", "start": 11173.484, "end": 11174.063, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1920", "start": 11174.127, "end": 11174.818, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1921", "start": 11175.814, "end": 11176.151, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1922", "start": 11176.215, "end": 11179.636, "text": "First, let me say I actually agree with literally everything you just said, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1923", "start": 11179.829, "end": 11182.11, "text": "I do want to work on that together with you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1924", "start": 11182.961, "end": 11195.715, "text": "I think Councilor Zimmerman brought this up in a previous conversation like a year ago as well, that there's a lot of the impacts we have is not just on budgets and work of bureaus, but on frankly what our society looks like.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1925", "start": 11195.78, "end": 11195.94, "text": "Like.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1926", "start": 11196.678, "end": 11203.479, "text": "Um, regulation can help or hurt, uh, the idea of having a nightlife in the city, and, and I think there's a lot there that we should, we should look at.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1927", "start": 11204.057, "end": 11212.334, "text": "Um, the thing I wanted to bring up, uh, was I— last year we had a budget that was dependent on cost reductions associated with core realignment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1928", "start": 11213.296, "end": 11221.878, "text": "We approved a budget that did not have, um, revenue in it for some of the work because we assumed that some of the work was going to go away as part of core realignment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1929", "start": 11222.119, "end": 11223.706, "text": "And then we talked about it in the fall fault out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1930", "start": 11223.866, "end": 11234.17, "text": "This year we have a budget that assumes revenue from fees that we had not yet unpaid, um, and that creates the, the challenge in the short term that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney talked about.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1931", "start": 11234.619, "end": 11246.574, "text": "I think that this is a budget problem, that we shouldn't be doing this unless we've already made the decision, um, because otherwise we end up where the fault-out is a not technical adjustment but just an adjustment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1932", "start": 11246.878, "end": 11249.41, "text": "It's a supplemental budget effectively by design.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1933", "start": 11249.988, "end": 11255.862, "text": "Um, and also it's just not quite as, uh, transparent to the public about the decisions we're making on the budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1934", "start": 11255.943, "end": 11258.238, "text": "And I, I would like to see that change over the year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1935", "start": 11258.286, "end": 11263.598, "text": "And I'm, I'm mostly looking at, I guess, uh, the budget office, uh, CFO and, and city administrator there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1936", "start": 11264.272, "end": 11267.322, "text": "Um, it's, it's not an ideal way of going about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1937", "start": 11267.579, "end": 11280.886, "text": "And I think, uh, we should be transparent that, that this is going to mean some future action, especially when it's something like this, because we can We say fire fees are going to make up this difference, but hypothetically we could have done it in a different way, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1938", "start": 11280.982, "end": 11283.824, "text": "We could have not increased some of the fees, increased other ones more.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1939", "start": 11284.274, "end": 11288.561, "text": "There's a lot of different things that could have occurred, and so it's not as transparent in doing that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1940", "start": 11288.689, "end": 11294.951, "text": "We're going to fix that for this one, and I— we've already talked about the specifics of fixing it for fire by putting it into the normal fee cadence.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1941", "start": 11295.031, "end": 11302.983, "text": "But I think the bigger picture is the budget should be done when it's done, uh, and not have these these, these later things we have to figure out.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1942", "start": 11303.449, "end": 11307.325, "text": "Um, otherwise we have some disaster to address in a, in a technical adjustment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1943", "start": 11307.567, "end": 11307.808, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1944", "start": 11308.5, "end": 11309.224, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1945", "start": 11310.384, "end": 11313.379, "text": "Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1946", "start": 11314.023, "end": 11317.791, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on item 13?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1947", "start": 11319, "end": 11319.048, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1948", "start": 11319.276, "end": 11321.633, "text": "Document 2026-300.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1949", "start": 11321.86, "end": 11322.299, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1950", "start": 11322.77, "end": 11322.803, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1951", "start": 11323.664, "end": 11323.957, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1952", "start": 11325.046, "end": 11325.111, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1953", "start": 11327.314, "end": 11329.309, "text": "Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1954", "start": 11330.644, "end": 11331.079, "text": "Absent.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1955", "start": 11332.012, "end": 11332.109, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1956", "start": 11332.768, "end": 11333.042, "text": "Smith.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1957", "start": 11335.069, "end": 11335.101, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1958", "start": 11337.837, "end": 11339.912, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1959", "start": 11341.263, "end": 11341.376, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1960", "start": 11341.826, "end": 11341.875, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1961", "start": 11342.55, "end": 11352.015, "text": "The ordinance passes with a vote of 9 ayes, 2 nays, and 1 absent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1962", "start": 11352.527, "end": 11354.457, "text": "And colleagues, we have run out of time for today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1963", "start": 11354.553, "end": 11359.247, "text": "We will not be able to hear item 14, document 2026-123.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1964", "start": 11359.376, "end": 11361.408, "text": "This will be continued to a future council meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1965", "start": 11361.96, "end": 11363.663, "text": "And with that, we are adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1966", "start": 11365.75, "end": 11368.591, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" } ] }