{ "meetingId": "2026-10-06-hpc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Housing & Permitting Committee 10/06/26", "displayTitle": "Housing & Permitting Committee", "date": "2026-10-06T14:45:00-07:00", "duration": 185, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0OUe4ZZ-xw", "videoId": "-0OUe4ZZ-xw", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/housing-and-permitting-committee/2026/10/6", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 1, "title": "Climate and health standards", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-353" }, { "number": 2, "title": "Amend Property Tax Exemption for Low Income Housing Held by Nonprofit Organizations Code to extend the sunset date (replace Code Chapter 3.101)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/nplte-code-ordinance" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Amend the Portland Zoning Code to bring it into compliance with Oregon State legislative bills passed in 2025 and 2026 (amend Title 33)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/state-compliance-land-use-project" } ], "summary": "**The Housing and Permitting Committee referred a measure extending Portland's property-tax exemption for nonprofit low-income housing to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections about a possible for-profit loophole ([02:42:18](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:42:18)).** The committee, chaired by Candace Avalos (District 1), also forwarded a zoning-code update and heard a long presentation on a climate policy coming back in two weeks.\n\n## Building climate standards previewed before an October 20 vote\n\nAvalos used most of the meeting to walk the committee through a draft Climate and Health Standards policy her office filed earlier that day, scheduling a vote for **October 20**. The proposal would add roughly **1,200 multifamily buildings** to the roughly 1,000 commercial buildings already required to report energy use, covering about **40% of Portland's building-sector emissions**, and would require covered buildings to cut greenhouse gas emissions 20% every five years starting in 2030, reaching zero by 2050 ([00:24:27](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:24:27)).\n\nVin Mason, a senior climate policy advisor at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, told the committee that Oregon's own building rules would cut emissions from Portland's covered buildings \"by only 5%,\" short of the city's zero-by-2050 goal ([00:15:29](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:15:29)). Vivian Satterfield, Deputy City Sustainability Officer, said natural gas is the only major local fuel with rising emissions — up 18% since 1990 overall and 62% in the residential sector ([00:31:26](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:31:26)).\n\nPanelists from Multnomah County, community groups, and other cities testified. Andrea Hamberg, Environmental Health Services Director for the county, said that during the 2021 heat dome nearly 80% of those who died were seniors, more than 70% lived alone, and 94% died in their own homes without sufficient air conditioning ([00:39:08](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:39:08)). Rajeev Ravalapati of the Institute for Market Transformation said about 93% of covered private buildings in New York filed first reports under that city's standard, and Washington, D.C., buildings cut energy intensity about 13% from 2019 to 2024 ([00:50:24](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:50:24)). Quinton Zondervan, policy director at Run on Climate and a former Cambridge, Massachusetts, councilor, described Cambridge's standard requiring buildings over 100,000 square feet to reach zero by 2035 ([00:57:18](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:57:18)).\n\nSteve Novick (District 3), who said he started \"heavily biased in favor\" of the proposal, relayed questions from Multifamily Northwest about rent impacts and asked how the policy's carbon pollution impact fee reached **$380 per ton** ([01:47:17](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@01:47:17)). Mason said the figure drew on a 2023 EPA social-cost-of-carbon table rather than aiming to raise revenue. Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) pressed on what \"zero\" requires, and Mason said a gas-served building cannot reach zero without ending fossil-fuel use, barring emerging carbon-capture technology.\n\nPirtle-Guiney questioned the pace, noting councilors were \"getting a lot of incoming from groups who are raising concerns\" without public workshopping. She asked whether the committee would have time to review details on the 20th. Avalos said she had \"not determined\" an outcome and had heard no concern \"that require[s] me to pause,\" adding, \"that is what the legislative process demands... If you're asking a request for more time, please reach out to my office\" ([01:56:29](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@01:56:29)).\n\n## Nonprofit housing tax exemption referred to Council, 3-2\n\nThe committee referred the nonprofit low-income housing tax exemption update, introduced by Mayor Keith Wilson, to the full Council **3-2**, with Mitch Green (District 4) and Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) opposed ([02:42:18](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:42:18)). Interim Portland Housing Bureau director Queesha Light and program manager Dori Hellier said the exemption, adopted in 1985, now covers 67 nonprofits operating more than 700 properties and more than **17,000 rental homes** ([02:13:22](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:13:22)). The city's authorization expires January 1, 2027; the change ties city code to the state sunset, now July 1, 2033.\n\nNeil Whitaker, the sole public testifier, said for-profit entities obtain the nonprofit exemption through token 501 structures — \"1/200th of property ownership\" — and that a market-rate owner could use the device to escape \"$100,000 a year annual property taxes\" ([02:18:14](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:18:14)). He said he had asked the bureau for six months to separate for-profit totals. Light answered that code only requires a nonprofit general partner handling day-to-day operations, not a minimum ownership share, and that limited partnerships are a standard feature of the federal Low-Income Housing Tax Credit program ([02:22:05](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:22:05)). Hellier said staff review every partnership agreement to confirm the nonprofit bears tax and operating responsibility, but the bureau does not track ownership percentages and compiling them would take \"months\" ([02:30:50](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:30:50)). Light urged separating that question from the referral so the exemption stays available.\n\n## Zoning update for state law referred to Council, 4-1\n\nThe committee voted **4-1** to refer a Title 33 zoning update to the full Council, with Novick absent after leaving the meeting ([03:04:07](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@03:04:07)). Senior planner Morgan Tracy said the 13 proposals carry out five state bills — HB 2138, SB 974, HB 4037, SB 1561, and HB 2005 — under a January 1 compliance deadline, loosening middle-housing rules, trimming notice and hearing requirements, and allowing residential mental-health treatment facilities in more zones. Planning Commission member Erica Thompson said the commission recommended adoption unanimously on June 23 and flagged a **$500,000** state fund for accessibility education ([02:48:44](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:48:44)).\n\nLand use planner Sarah Radlett asked that additional cottage-cluster common areas be allowed at 450 square feet rather than 750, and that parking rules be relabeled by unit count to end a mismatch between attached and detached fourplexes ([02:52:17](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@02:52:17)). Tracy said the common-area fix was easy but parking needed fuller study, which a queued middle-housing project would address.\n\n## What's next\n\nThe Climate and Health Standards ordinance returns to the committee on **October 20** for public testimony, committee discussion, and a possible vote. The nonprofit tax exemption moves to the full Council next week and still needs Multnomah County Commission approval; next-year applications are due early in the first quarter of 2027. The zoning update is continued to a full Council hearing on **October 14 at 9:45 AM**. The Central City Code Amendments Project, originally noticed for this meeting, was referred to full Council for a public hearing on **October 14 at 9:50 AM** ([00:09:36](meeting:2026-10-06-hpc-1@00:09:36)).", "summaryText": "The Housing and Permitting Committee referred a measure extending Portland's property-tax exemption for nonprofit low-income housing to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections about a possible for-profit loophole (02:42:18). The committee, chaired by Candace Avalos (District 1), also forwarded a zoning-code update and heard a long presentation on a climate policy coming back in two weeks.\n\nAvalos used most of the meeting to walk the committee through a draft Climate and Health Standards policy her office filed earlier that day, scheduling a vote for October 20. The proposal would add roughly 1,200 multifamily buildings to the roughly 1,000 commercial buildings already required to report energy use, covering about 40% of Portland's building-sector emissions, and would require covered buildings to cut greenhouse gas emissions 20% every five years starting in 2030, reaching zero by 2050 (00:24:27).\n\nVin Mason, a senior climate policy advisor at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, told the committee that Oregon's own building rules would cut emissions from Portland's covered buildings \"by only 5%,\" short of the city's zero-by-2050 goal (00:15:29). Vivian Satterfield, Deputy City Sustainability Officer, said natural gas is the only major local fuel with rising emissions — up 18% since 1990 overall and 62% in the residential sector (00:31:26).\n\nPanelists from Multnomah County, community groups, and other cities testified. Andrea Hamberg, Environmental Health Services Director for the county, said that during the 2021 heat dome nearly 80% of those who died were seniors, more than 70% lived alone, and 94% died in their own homes without sufficient air conditioning (00:39:08). Rajeev Ravalapati of the Institute for Market Transformation said about 93% of covered private buildings in New York filed first reports under that city's standard, and Washington, D.C., buildings cut energy intensity about 13% from 2019 to 2024 (00:50:24). Quinton Zondervan, policy director at Run on Climate and a former Cambridge, Massachusetts, councilor, described Cambridge's standard requiring buildings over 100,000 square feet to reach zero by 2035 (00:57:18).\n\nSteve Novick (District 3), who said he started \"heavily biased in favor\" of the proposal, relayed questions from Multifamily Northwest about rent impacts and asked how the policy's carbon pollution impact fee reached $380 per ton (01:47:17). Mason said the figure drew on a 2023 EPA social-cost-of-carbon table rather than aiming to raise revenue. Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) pressed on what \"zero\" requires, and Mason said a gas-served building cannot reach zero without ending fossil-fuel use, barring emerging carbon-capture technology.\n\nPirtle-Guiney questioned the pace, noting councilors were \"getting a lot of incoming from groups who are raising concerns\" without public workshopping. She asked whether the committee would have time to review details on the 20th. Avalos said she had \"not determined\" an outcome and had heard no concern \"that require[s] me to pause,\" adding, \"that is what the legislative process demands... If you're asking a request for more time, please reach out to my office\" (01:56:29).\n\nThe committee referred the nonprofit low-income housing tax exemption update, introduced by Mayor Keith Wilson, to the full Council 3-2, with Mitch Green (District 4) and Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) opposed (02:42:18). Interim Portland Housing Bureau director Queesha Light and program manager Dori Hellier said the exemption, adopted in 1985, now covers 67 nonprofits operating more than 700 properties and more than 17,000 rental homes (02:13:22). The city's authorization expires January 1, 2027; the change ties city code to the state sunset, now July 1, 2033.\n\nNeil Whitaker, the sole public testifier, said for-profit entities obtain the nonprofit exemption through token 501 structures — \"1/200th of property ownership\" — and that a market-rate owner could use the device to escape \"$100,000 a year annual property taxes\" (02:18:14). He said he had asked the bureau for six months to separate for-profit totals. Light answered that code only requires a nonprofit general partner handling day-to-day operations, not a minimum ownership share, and that limited partnerships are a standard feature of the federal Low-Income Housing Tax Credit program (02:22:05). Hellier said staff review every partnership agreement to confirm the nonprofit bears tax and operating responsibility, but the bureau does not track ownership percentages and compiling them would take \"months\" (02:30:50). Light urged separating that question from the referral so the exemption stays available.\n\nThe committee voted 4-1 to refer a Title 33 zoning update to the full Council, with Novick absent after leaving the meeting (03:04:07). Senior planner Morgan Tracy said the 13 proposals carry out five state bills — HB 2138, SB 974, HB 4037, SB 1561, and HB 2005 — under a January 1 compliance deadline, loosening middle-housing rules, trimming notice and hearing requirements, and allowing residential mental-health treatment facilities in more zones. Planning Commission member Erica Thompson said the commission recommended adoption unanimously on June 23 and flagged a $500,000 state fund for accessibility education (02:48:44).\n\nLand use planner Sarah Radlett asked that additional cottage-cluster common areas be allowed at 450 square feet rather than 750, and that parking rules be relabeled by unit count to end a mismatch between attached and detached fourplexes (02:52:17). Tracy said the common-area fix was easy but parking needed fuller study, which a queued middle-housing project would address.\n\nThe Climate and Health Standards ordinance returns to the committee on October 20 for public testimony, committee discussion, and a possible vote. The nonprofit tax exemption moves to the full Council next week and still needs Multnomah County Commission approval; next-year applications are due early in the first quarter of 2027. The zoning update is continued to a full Council hearing on October 14 at 9:45 AM. The Central City Code Amendments Project, originally noticed for this meeting, was referred to full Council for a public hearing on October 14 at 9:50 AM (00:09:36).", "summaryLede": "The Housing and Permitting Committee referred a measure extending Portland's property-tax exemption for nonprofit low-income housing to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections about a possible for-profit loophole. The committee, chaired by Candace Avalos (District 1), also forwarded a zoning-code update and heard a long presentation on a climate policy coming back in two weeks.", "sections": [ { "title": "Committee Business", "startTime": "00:08:01.053", "endTime": "00:10:46.611", "items": [ { "title": "Call to Order and Committee Business", "startTime": "00:08:01.053", "endTime": "00:10:46.611" } ] }, { "title": "Regular Agenda", "startTime": "00:10:46.611", "endTime": "03:04:39.836", "items": [ { "title": "Climate and health standards (Presentation)", "startTime": "00:10:46.611", "endTime": "02:09:35.423", "agendaItemNumber": 1 }, { "title": "Amend Property Tax Exemption for Low Income Housing Held by Nonprofit Organizations Code to extend the sunset date (replace Code Chapter 3.101) (Ordinance)", "startTime": "02:09:35.423", "endTime": "02:43:07.626", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Amend the Portland Zoning Code to bring it into compliance with Oregon State legislative bills passed in 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"speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 653.922, "end": 662.226, "text": "So today, as I mentioned, we're going to do a presentation, uh, on the climate and health standard, and let's go ahead and have, um, Gloria come thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 662.386, "end": 664.839, "text": "Please come on up and get settled while I do some intro remarks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 665.672, "end": 671.892, "text": "Um, first, colleagues, I want to begin by thanking the many people who have brought us to this point.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 672.645, "end": 684.908, "text": "My office has been working with stakeholders across housing providers, industry, real estate, higher education, healthcare, and environmental justice over the past year to develop a new climate and health standards policy for the city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 685.63, "end": 689.541, "text": "But this work didn't start with me, and it also didn't start from the city alone.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 690.214, "end": 703.251, "text": "It started with community at the grassroots, from Portlanders who were tired of being left out of conversations and whose perspectives weren't heard in climate spaces, despite coming from the communities most impacted by environmental pollution and climate change.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 703.924, "end": 716.898, "text": "Those Portlanders put hours of their own time looking into energy use in the built environment, how building decarbonization policies intersect with racial justice, time spent in meetings in person and then over Zoom when the pandemic hit.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 717.459, "end": 724.403, "text": "And they were moved by a deep commitment to families that look like theirs and the future generations who will suffer if we do not do our part now.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 725.253, "end": 733.19, "text": "This work started 6 years ago, and I know there have been many community members waiting at least that long for us to get to this point of actually introducing the policy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 733.911, "end": 743.372, "text": "But before we consider the code changes that I'll be bringing to our October 20th meeting, I wanted to have a chance for the committee to hear from subject matter experts and advocates for this work.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 743.933, "end": 752.639, "text": "So first, staff from the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability will share an overview of past work related to the city's climate and health standards for existing buildings project.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 753.232, "end": 755.044, "text": "Then we will have 3 invited panels.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 755.621, "end": 761.264, "text": "The first panel will have our Chief Sustainability Officer and Sustainability and Climate Commission co-chair.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 762.049, "end": 767.099, "text": "The next panel will have invited guests from the county and community organizations working on climate justice.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 767.579, "end": 772.998, "text": "And finally, we'll hear from leaders in other US cities who've championed building performance standards.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 773.607, "end": 780.211, "text": "So colleagues, this time is really meant for us to get more familiar with the background of CHS and the broader context that the policy sits in.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 780.708, "end": 787.872, "text": "This is not intended to be a space to really dig into the specifics since the ordinance, uh, will be coming next time, but you should have the ordinance text.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 788.08, "end": 793.704, "text": "I have emailed a copy, and it's also available on my website in case folks of the public want to take a look.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 794.265, "end": 803.285, "text": "And what I'm hoping to achieve at this meeting is just creating an opportunity to step back and consider what CHS means for the health and livability of our communities and our city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 803.878, "end": 809.518, "text": "And my apologies, Gloria, I gave you the wrong prompt because you're going to come after BPS, so you can, uh, you can stay up there or whatever.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 809.566, "end": 821.583, "text": "But, um, uh, first I want to bring up BPS staff for a presentation on the history of the Climate and Health Standards for Existing Buildings policy and an overview of a recently completed pilot project.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 823.12, "end": 823.506, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 826.275, "end": 830.639, "text": "We've got Andrea and Vin here if you want to introduce yourselves formally and take it away.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 832.38, "end": 834.065, "text": "Yes, just give me one minute to share.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 843.402, "end": 843.674, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 845.101, "end": 848.355, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 848.948, "end": 850.567, "text": "For the record, I'm Andrea Jacob.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 850.856, "end": 854.687, "text": "I am the manager of the climate policy team at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 855.52, "end": 861.58, "text": "Thank you for the opportunity to be here today to share some of the backstory of climate and health standards for existing buildings.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 861.692, "end": 866.549, "text": "It's the precursor work, as Chair Avalos said, to the work currently led by her office.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 867.399, "end": 875.286, "text": "So the core expertise of the BPS climate team lies at the intersection of the built environment and climate science, policy, and practice.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 875.943, "end": 885.626, "text": "Bin and I have been working together on equitable building decarbonization since 2018, and we each have been working on climate, buildings, and energy at the city for about 20 years apiece.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 885.722, "end": 888.287, "text": "So there's a fair bit of institutional knowledge here today.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 889.008, "end": 896.366, "text": "Our work on climate and health standards has been guided by the Bureau's anti-racism and racial equity mission and values.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 896.895, "end": 903.083, "text": "So this story— the story of this work is really a story of community engagement, community leadership, and community priorities.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 903.131, "end": 903.259, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 904.183, "end": 909.385, "text": "It's an example of how government can innovate, adapt, and share power in policy development.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 911.459, "end": 914.105, "text": "So we have 2 main sections of our presentation today.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 914.702, "end": 928.538, "text": "Vin is going to walk you through a, a pretty abbreviated history of the policy just due to time, and we'll then present some findings from a pilot that BPS conducted with multifamily building owners and managers, and then we'll have time for some questions and answers.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 929.865, "end": 930.507, "text": "Thank you, Andrea.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 931.374, "end": 934.697, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 935.563, "end": 937.217, "text": "For the record, my name is Vin Mason.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 937.634, "end": 948.422, "text": "I work for the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability as a senior climate policy advisor and oversee Portland's commercial energy reporting requirements that were adopted by City Council in 2015.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 949.048, "end": 950.38, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 951.231, "end": 956.159, "text": "I'll start with an overview of the climate health standards policy development timeline.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 956.7, "end": 967.782, "text": "BPS's work on this policy began as a partnership with Build Shift, which was a collective of community members and organizations established by the Coalition of Communities of Color in Verde.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 968.813, "end": 976.076, "text": "Through community-led engagement, we developed the HEART Standards policy concept to decarbonize Portland's buildings while advancing racial equity.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 977.669, "end": 981.659, "text": "In 2022, the HEART Standards moved into the next phase of policy development.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 982.176, "end": 986.318, "text": "Advanced by BPS as the climate and health standards for existing buildings.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 987.946, "end": 996.276, "text": "This proposal included commercial and multifamily carbon performance standards that would require property owners to gradually reduce their carbon emissions.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 997.23, "end": 1001.751, "text": "The city also considered a maximum temperature limit that would provide cooling to rental housing.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 1003.398, "end": 1014.863, "text": "BPS's policy development paused in 2023 after Oregon passed House Bill 3409, and began administrative rulemaking for statewide commercial building energy performance standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 1015.9, "end": 1027.427, "text": "BPS estimates that the state's requirements will reduce carbon emissions from Portland's covered buildings by only 5%, well short of the city's adopted goal of zero emissions by 2050.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 1029.915, "end": 1039.594, "text": "In 2024, BPS and the city's Chief Sustainability Officer moved a small piece of the climate health standards forward as the multifamily energy reporting and tenant notice proposal.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 1040.55, "end": 1053.584, "text": "Draft city code was released for public comment in May 2024 and received much community support, but property owners were concerned about the cost of compliance and exacerbating the housing affordability crisis, a concern shared by BPS.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 1055.223, "end": 1063.916, "text": "We pivoted to conduct a pilot project to examine the concerns of property owners and roll out PSF's SP2 funding for apartment building retrofits.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 1065.061, "end": 1069.853, "text": "I'll cover each of these major policy milestones in a bit more detail, starting with the HART standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 1070.513, "end": 1071.511, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 1074.393, "end": 1080.709, "text": "With twin goals of building decarbonization and advancing racial equity, the HART standards focus on 5 community priorities for rental housing.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-110", "start": 1081.548, "end": 1083.323, "text": "First, improving the health of tenants.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 1084.388, "end": 1088.229, "text": "Next, equitable energy that decreases utility bills without increasing rent.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 1089.476, "end": 1096.605, "text": "At the center of the HART is anti-displacement to mitigate unintended consequences like relocation of tenants during building retrofits.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 1097.905, "end": 1101.438, "text": "Another key community priority is resilience to future climate impacts.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 1102.401, "end": 1106.64, "text": "The HART standards were developed in 2021, the same year as the Pacific Northwest heat dome.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 1107.539, "end": 1113.56, "text": "A temperature limit for rental housing would assure access to cooling to help tenants survive extreme heat events in the future.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 1114.575, "end": 1114.864, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 1119.021, "end": 1127.751, "text": "BPS received broad— broader stakeholder input on the HART standards policy concept through weekly building owner and tenant workgroup meetings in 2022.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 1128.54, "end": 1133.003, "text": "We continued stakeholder engagement to refine policy details through 2024.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 1134.406, "end": 1150.954, "text": "The engagement resulted in the climate health standards for existing buildings staff proposal with 3 main policy the first requires multifamily building owners with 4 or more rental units to notify prospective tenants of key climate and health information at time of application.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 1152.11, "end": 1159.4, "text": "The purpose is to inform decisions related to the cost of energy bills, health risks associated with natural gas stoves, and access to cooling.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 1160.781, "end": 1164.699, "text": "The second and third 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effective policy tool.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 1192.383, "end": 1201.336, "text": "Unlike prescriptive retrofits, performance standards give building owners flexibility to choose a compliance pathway that is best suited for the unique circumstances of their building.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 1202.412, "end": 1210.755, "text": "10 Other U.S. cities have adopted building performance standards to achieve their climate goals, including carbon performance standards in Boston, New York, and Seattle.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 1212.039, "end": 1220.029, "text": "In Portland, these standards would require covered buildings to reduce their carbon emissions 20% every 5 years starting 2030 until zero by 2050.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 1221.283, "end": 1226.137, "text": "In 2030, all covered buildings would already comply due to state mandates for electric utilities.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 1227.05, "end": 1235.125, "text": "By 2040, the state requires 100% clean electricity, which would enable all electric buildings to meet Portland's carbon performance standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 1236.746, "end": 1249.518, "text": "This chart shows how a poor performer like Building A would have a steeper slope to get from its baseline year to zero compared to a high-performing Building C. It also shows the long runway for compliance.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 1251.75, "end": 1265.345, "text": "Building owners could choose from any combination of 3 compliance pathways: 1, reduce emissions through energy efficiency or onsite renewables; 2, electrify equipment; and 3, pay a carbon pollution impact fee in lieu of meeting the standard.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-135", "start": 1266.827, "end": 1275.324, "text": "Recognizing the importance of compliance costs, BP has contracted Echo Northwest to complete an analysis of potential economic impacts of these standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-136", "start": 1276.702, "end": 1283.865, "text": "The analysis concludes that there would likely be no net impact to renters' housing costs given a long compliance period for property owners.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-137", "start": 1285.051, "end": 1285.66, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-138", "start": 1286.269, "end": 1296.669, "text": "All right, next I'm going to cover this part of the policy in more depth because energy benchmarking and reporting are the foundation for reducing emissions and saving energy.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-139", "start": 1297.791, "end": 1304.569, "text": "Since 2015, the city has required property owners of Portland's largest commercial buildings to annually report their energy use and carbon emissions.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-140", "start": 1305.087, "end": 1307.404, "text": "But multifamily buildings are not included.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 1308.246, "end": 1310.627, "text": "This is a gap that BPS has long wanted to fill.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 1312.006, "end": 1312.312, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 1314.342, "end": 1321.673, "text": "As noted earlier, BPS released a draft 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including representation of apartment buildings across all 4 council districts.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-148", "start": 1358.694, "end": 1358.967, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-149", "start": 1361.07, "end": 1365.788, "text": "Property managers needed 3 to 9 hours to complete their initial energy benchmarking and reporting.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-150", "start": 1366.686, "end": 1372.496, "text": "The amount of time to complete each step of the process varied based on utility provider and the number of meters per building.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-151", "start": 1373.523, "end": 1378.224, "text": "Each participant relied on data aggregation services provided by their respective utilities.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-152", "start": 1379.524, "end": 1393.202, "text": "All participants used 2 key resources: the free online Energy Star Portfolio Manager software maintained by the federal government, next slide, please.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-153", "start": 1396.596, "end": 1400.483, "text": "Overall, participants called the benchmarking process easy to do and pretty basic.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-154", "start": 1401.518, "end": 1406.725, "text": "All participants said future energy reporting would require less than 2 hours of their time annually.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-155", "start": 1407.988, "end": 1414.58, "text": "Depending on the property manager's capacity and utility data aggregation, the duration of the benchmarking process ranged from 1 to 3 months.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-156", "start": 1415.994, "end": 1421.798, "text": "Participants noted that the Portfolio Manager website is not intuitive, so support from the city's help desk was essential.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-157", "start": 1423.02, "end": 1427.619, "text": "None of the property managers needed to interact with tenants to complete their energy benchmarking reporting.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-158", "start": 1428.781, "end": 1435.439, "text": "These findings are consistent with BPS's implementation of the Commercial Energy Reporting Program over the last 11 years.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-159", "start": 1436.897, "end": 1437.679, "text": "And last slide.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-160", "start": 1439.54, "end": 1464.91, "text": "In closing, I'll note that carbon performance standards are a key action in the city's Climate Emergency Work Plan so with that, at this time we can take any questions from the committee that you may have regarding BPS's history in developing the climate health standards staff proposal.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1465.15, "end": 1466.42, "text": "And thank you very much.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1467.41, "end": 1468.65, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1468.65, "end": 1478.456, "text": "Before we do questions, why don't I do my next presentation to just round out the information and then I'll open up for some questions, um, and we'll move to the next panel.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1478.889, "end": 1485.738, "text": "Um, and then we'll probably— I want to try to keep the panels to be able to get through their time, so I don't want to get too mired in questions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1485.803, "end": 1489.909, "text": "If I need to move us forward, um, and then we come back to questions at the end, I'll let you know.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1490.134, "end": 1491.866, "text": "But we'll just kind of see what people have.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1492.604, "end": 1493.936, "text": "So, um, let's go ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1494, "end": 1497.465, "text": "Thank you, uh, you all, BPS, um, for being here.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1498.475, "end": 1503.159, "text": "And then let me put up my presentation, which will just add the final little pieces of context.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1518.5, "end": 1519.534, "text": "Okay, there we go.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1519.922, "end": 1529.198, "text": "All right, um, so yes, again, thank you, Andrea and Ben, for your presentation on the background of the climate and health standards for existing buildings and the pilot study findings.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1529.711, "end": 1537.19, "text": "I think it really speaks to the thoughtful outreach and years of work that went into developing the policy, and my office has appreciated your assistance throughout this process.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1537.254, "end": 1538.217, "text": "So thank you very much.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1539.084, "end": 1552.789, "text": "Colleagues, this time is really meant for us to get more familiar again with the background of CHS and the broader context that the policy sits in, not necessarily to dig into those specifics, like I said, at this level, but we're going to get more into it with the future panels.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1553.632, "end": 1556.192, "text": "Um, so let's go ahead into the next slide.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1559.684, "end": 1566.224, "text": "All right, so I want to begin by just grounding in the 3 principles that have guided my office's work from the beginning.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1566.691, "end": 1571.393, "text": "So the first is climate action should not come at the expense of housing stability.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1572.23, "end": 1579.653, "text": "The second one is standards should be meaningful and enforceable while recognizing that some buildings face genuine technical challenges.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1580.471, "end": 1585.807, "text": "And third, communities should not continue bearing the health and climate costs of inefficient buildings.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1587.862, "end": 1591.285, "text": "And so that moves us into the CHS core pillars.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1591.864, "end": 1603.26, "text": "Um, and so essentially CHS builds on the city's existing commercial building energy program and state guidelines by creating multifamily residential annual energy reporting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1603.871, "end": 1617.849, "text": "So CHS would add close to 1,200 of 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"Climate and health information and transparency standard for tenants was really critical as well.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1649.394, "end": 1666.735, "text": "So owners of attached rental housing, fourplexes and larger, would be required to provide key energy cost and health information to prospective renters, like how to access average and peak energy cost information, available assistance for utility bills, and cooling— unit cooling systems such as central AC.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1667.794, "end": 1680.111, "text": "The proposal includes a carbon pollution impact fee as an alternative compliance pathway for certain covered buildings and alternative compliance plans for large institutional campuses with shared energy systems such as universities.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1681.025, "end": 1689.061, "text": "I think it is important to note those other compliance pathways for 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source of climate pollution in our city, and Portland should be working to continue to ensure that our buildings match our current climate reality and to meet our climate goals, while also ensuring that renters should have access to safe, comfortable, and energy-efficient homes and basic information about the condition and energy usage of their housing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1806.924, "end": 1807.183, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1807.296, "end": 1807.669, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1809.623, "end": 1817.445, "text": "I want to end with a quote because sometimes as policymakers we can get too nitty-gritty in the language and lose sight of who we're doing this for.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1818.377, "end": 1826.392, "text": "In 2022, High Country News did a story about the Build Shift Collective and their work, work 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"speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 2062.15, "end": 2071.869, "text": "A recent economics report from Climate Mayors shows that cities committed to climate action are proving that economic growth and declining fossil fuel use can go hand in hand.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 2072.693, "end": 2082.881, "text": "From 2019 to 2024, these cities grew their GDP by over 11% while reducing fossil fuel use per person by 3.5%.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 2084.126, "end": 2087.845, "text": "That's directly saving households roughly $1,000 a year.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 2089.22, "end": 2095.752, "text": "An economy decoupled from fossil fuels is both possible and already emerging, and cities are leading the way.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 2096.899, "end": 2100.068, "text": "Thank you for your leadership and commitment 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2219.315, "text": "This climate action doesn't come at the cost of housing stability.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 2219.973, "end": 2228.415, "text": "When upgrades affect occupancy, tenants get temporary housing on or relocation help and a guaranteed right to return.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 2229.041, "end": 2234.562, "text": "The commission sees decarbonization and tenant protection as one goal, not competing goals.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 2235.557, "end": 2240.115, "text": "The compliance timeline is long and backed by a city pilot and an Eco Northwest analysis.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 2240.837, "end": 2244.174, "text": "Reporting takes a few hours in the first year and less after that.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 2245.104, "end": 2252.452, "text": "Because of this long 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climate projections indicate, we'll experience longer periods The commission was created to give council specific, timely, and actionable guidance.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2302.67, "end": 2306.278, "text": "Our guidance is clear: please advance the climate and health standards.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2306.777, "end": 2307.051, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jose Gamero-Georgeson" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2308.951, "end": 2313.369, "text": "Thank you both so much for your words of wisdom and expertise.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2313.792, "end": 2314.134, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2315.338, "end": 2316.265, "text": "Um, let me see.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2317.144, "end": 2319.308, "text": "Okay, let's go ahead and move to the next panel.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2321.202, "end": 2327.753, "text": "Um, next we have Andrea Hamburg, Environmental Health Services Director for the Multnomah County Health Department.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2328.443, "end": 2332.457, "text": "Taryn Evans, Environmental Justice Director for the Coalition of Communities of Color.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2333.164, "end": 2335.861, "text": "And Sarah— I'm gonna mispronounce your last name— Wallisch?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2336.471, "end": 2336.809, "text": "Wallach.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2337.258, "end": 2337.643, "text": "Wallach.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2337.9, "end": 2342.091, "text": "Sarah Wallach, Climate Justice Advocate for Community Energy Project.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2342.733, "end": 2343.103, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2348.129, "end": 2353.299, "text": "Uh, good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Chair— Vice Chair Green, and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2353.973, "end": 2354.857, "text": "Glad to be here today.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2355.499, "end": 2357.362, "text": "I'm Andrea Hamburg, she/her.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2357.683, "end": 2360.685, "text": "I'm the Environmental Health Services Director from Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2361.601, "end": 2368.73, "text": "I'm here today on behalf of the Health Department to share our strong support for the climate and health standards being discussed today.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2370.175, "end": 2372.905, "text": "At its core, climate change is a public health issue.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2373.868, "end": 2381.736, "text": "Our buildings are our primary line of defense, and they play a critical role in keeping vulnerable residents safe during extreme weather.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2383.053, "end": 2386.376, "text": "Safe buildings protect us from illness and premature death.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2387.517, "end": 2402.364, "text": "Before 2021, dying from extreme heat was almost unheard of in our county, but since then we've seen a clear spike in heat-related ER visits, hospital stays, And we've lost beloved members of our families and our communities.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2403.846, "end": 2415.828, "text": "During the 2021 heat dome, nearly 80% of those we lost were seniors, over 70% of whom lived alone, and 94% died in their own homes without sufficient air conditioning.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2417.335, "end": 2422.18, "text": "These climate and health standards are a vital step to prevent that kind of heartbreak from happening again.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2424.08, "end": 2431.481, "text": "Multnomah County's Climate and Justice— Climate Justice Plan is a 10-year roadmap to lower emissions and protect frontline communities.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2432.637, "end": 2440.553, "text": "Strategy 5, which is supporting the health, well-being, and stability of households that rent, includes clear support for these standards.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2441.645, "end": 2453.607, "text": "It was included as a result of input and feedback gathered during several years of community engagement with climate leaders and partners that serve environmental justice communities here in Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2455.125, "end": 2472.604, "text": "Upgrading our buildings ensures renters have reliable cooling and clean air during heat waves and wildfire smoke events, and giving tenants clear information about cooling, ventilation, gas appliances, and energy costs empowers them to take actions to protect their health.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2474.44, "end": 2482.638, "text": "Our role at the Health Department is to track health, health risks, stand up for impacted communities, and prevent illness before it starts.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2483.458, "end": 2490.353, "text": "This ordinance opens up a great opportunity for the city and the county to work closely together on public health and climate.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2492.13, "end": 2495.318, "text": "Looking ahead, these standards are a fantastic starting point.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2496.229, "end": 2504.715, "text": "While gathering data on cooling is important, what really matters for health is whether a home maintains a safe temperature when it's dangerously hot outside.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2505.624, "end": 2514.21, "text": "As this work moves forward, We strongly encourage the city to look at setting clear indoor temperature standards aimed directly at saving lives.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2516.01, "end": 2520.647, "text": "Climate hazards don't care about city or county lines, and our response shouldn't either.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2521.355, "end": 2529.468, "text": "We're excited to partner with you on implementation and keeping— and keep building the connection between climate policy, housing, and public health.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2529.886, "end": 2530.192, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2531.882, "end": 2532.268, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2535.776, "end": 2536.866, "text": "Good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2537.379, "end": 2538.597, "text": "My name is Tarren Evans.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2538.725, "end": 2546.641, "text": "I'm the Environmental Justice Director at the Coalition of Communities of Color, and I'm here to talk about the work that went into developing the climate and health standards.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2547.618, "end": 2553.74, "text": "These standards are a culmination of years of deep community engagement with the communities most impacted by climate change.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2554.605, "end": 2566.885, "text": "In 2020, the Build Shift team was formed 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"From this foundation, we worked to develop a policy that was rooted in these elements.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2592.5, "end": 2596.059, "text": "We also started in a way that was deeply connected to everyday experience.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2597.202, "end": 2601.389, "text": "We started with building trust between community and government, but also by meeting people where they were.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2602.28, "end": 2606.73, "text": "We didn't begin conversations talking about wonky terms like building decarbonization.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2607.571, "end": 2613.467, "text": "We started by talking to community members about what buildings they loved, And what were the characteristics of those buildings?", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2614.549, "end": 2618.438, "text": "This helped us understand what people 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"speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2678.602, "end": 2685.555, "text": "We also heard about the tough choices that many community members face, such as choosing to pay energy bills or for medication and groceries.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2686.534, "end": 2688.557, "text": "These are choices that people should never have to make.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2689.746, "end": 2697.827, "text": "We had a community convening after the 2021 heat dome An event that clearly demonstrated the immediate impacts that climate change is already having on our communities.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2699.125, "end": 2709.925, "text": "In addition to community members sharing stories of not having access to air conditioning, we also heard another story of community members who did have air conditioning but were afraid to use it because of the costs associated with using it.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2711.143, "end": 2728.375, "text": "When buildings lack proper insulation and sealing, and when they are expensive to heat and cool, people can still be left in a position where they technically have access to cooling, but Something that was done throughout this process was to connect it to lived experience of community members.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2729.13, "end": 2735.926, "text": "Too often, climate policy can be focused on technical aspects and emissions reductions without centering the people who are impacted.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2736.826, "end": 2742.465, "text": "Community members raised issues around energy burden, health, indoor air quality, affordability, and displacement.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2743.494, "end": 2746.016, "text": "Those issues became central to how the standards were developed.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2746.064, "end": 2756.364, "text": "Councilmember They help shape a policy approach that is centered on making sure that renters have better information, that health risks are more visible, and that displacement pressures are addressed.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2757.31, "end": 2764.737, "text": "From there, these standards provide a targeted path toward building decarbonization that meets the city's goal of getting to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2765.556, "end": 2773.047, "text": "They provide transparency for renters about utility costs and indoor air quality risks so they can make informed decisions about where to live.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2774.025, "end": 2781.487, "text": "This process showed that when we begin with trust, values, and lived experience, we can develop climate policy that responds to 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in DIY-friendly educational workshops.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2844.445, "end": 2846.757, "text": "However, that is not a holistic solution.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2847.335, "end": 2852.776, "text": "Renters deserve to be able to have energy efficiency repairs and upgrades within their multifamily properties.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2853.434, "end": 2857.077, "text": "Through our combined education and home energy saving upgrades and repairs, Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2857.526, "end": 2863.381, "text": "Programs, we have seen the effects of what these upgrades mean to families and the significant savings and health impacts.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2864.055, "end": 2873.23, "text": "Our clients who have upgraded from gas furnaces to heat pumps and have had weatherization services performed have saved upwards of $1,000 annually.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2873.888, "end": 2884.619, "text": "Though this research was modeled off of single-family homes, it shows how electric and efficient cooling and heating systems can have an effect on energy burden as well as energy insecurity in general.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2885.068, "end": 2892.394, "text": "Such measures can also offer renters greater financial stability, better health outcomes, and improved comfort in their own homes.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2893.148, "end": 2902.911, "text": "We also want to note that gas appliances contribute to indoor air pollution, which is increasingly linked to asthma, respiratory illnesses, and other long-term health impacts.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2903.231, "end": 2908.874, "text": "For many families, especially those with young kids, this health risk adds an additional stressor to a household.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2909.419, "end": 2914.115, "text": "Implementing a code like this means that the health, safety, and livelihoods of our clients would increase.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2914.788, "end": 2920.813, "text": "We need to acknowledge also that energy costs have been going up from rising rate costs to the impacts of climate change.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2921.181, "end": 2925.203, "text": "We need to think about energy usage and how we make our homes more efficient.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2925.908, "end": 2937.285, "text": "This leaves low-income communities with the harsh reality of either having to consume too much electricity and having a bill they cannot afford, or making unsafe energy-limiting choices to save money.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2937.333, "end": 2937.477, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2938.011, "end": 2945.204, "text": "We urge the councilors to support this policy as it helps ensure renters in Portland have access to safe, healthy, and efficient homes.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2945.479, "end": 2945.802, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2948.775, "end": 2949.626, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2950.687, "end": 2962.046, "text": "Um, before I bring up the next panel, I just wanted to note, because it's come up a couple of times, that one of the big parts of the HEART policy concept was the indoor temperature standards.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2962.511, "end": 2966.759, "text": "We are not addressing that in this policy, but it is next on the policy list.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2966.856, "end": 2970.656, "text": "So just so the public knows, that is absolutely of interest to my office.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2970.865, "end": 2973.494, "text": "It's a component of the work that the community did.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2973.831, "end": 2976.14, "text": "We're choosing this action to take.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2976.541, "end": 2978.401, "text": "That action is far more complicated.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2978.546, "end": 2985.265, "text": "And as somebody who worked at an organization when we were doing our right to cooling bills in the legislature, there's lots of other layers to that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 2985.361, "end": 2987.606, "text": "But just want to name that because it is going to keep coming up.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 2987.686, "end": 2989.755, "text": "It is a genuine health concern.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 2990.188, "end": 2991.647, "text": "It's something I think the city should do.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 2991.711, "end": 2991.855, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 2992.256, "end": 2997.966, "text": "And flagging for a community that, one, we want to talk about it, and two, if you have ideas, bring them on by.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 2999.249, "end": 3004.429, "text": "Lastly, I am very excited to welcome our national guest panelists who are joining us online.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 3004.878, "end": 3017.595, "text": "So we've got Rajiv, who is Director of Government and Utility Engagement for the Institute of Market Transformation, and Quinton, who is the Policy Director for Run on 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Ravalapati, for the record.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 3039.46, "end": 3040.996, "text": "Thank you, Councilmember Avalos.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 3041.74, "end": 3043.195, "text": "I'll be brief with my comments.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 3044.739, "end": 3046.487, "text": "So thank you, Chair, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 3047.401, "end": 3048.812, "text": "My name is Rajeev Ravalapati.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 3050.046, "end": 3054.472, "text": "As the council member said, I'm with the Institute for Market Transformation, also known as IMT.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 3054.841, "end": 3058.561, "text": "I serve as our Director of Government and Utility Engagement.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 3058.769, 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"end": 3107.248, "text": "Benchmarking makes energy use visible.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 3107.601, "end": 3112.9, "text": "Building performance standards add a clear expectation that existing buildings improve over time.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 3113.462, "end": 3121.859, "text": "That expectation helps, helps owners incorporate improvements into capital planning, equipment replacement, and everyday operations.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3122.373, "end": 3128.667, "text": "The government establishes the outcomes and the timeline while owners identify solutions appropriate to their buildings.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3129.583, "end": 3132.216, "text": "The public value extends beyond carbon reductions.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3132.328, "end": 3137.274, "text": "Better building performance can 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every building has completed the improvements needed for future targets, to be clear.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3208.652, "end": 3212.198, "text": "Washington, D.C. provides evidence of actual energy improvements.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3212.359, "end": 3227.937, "text": "A preliminary analysis of approximately 360 multifamily office and hotel buildings that initially fell below the standard found average energy intensity reductions of about 13% between 2019 and 2024.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3228.403, "end": 3230.699, "text": "Adjusting for weather and operating conditions.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3231.132, "end": 3237.121, "text": "That is meaningful progress before the compliance cycle even ends, though it's not a final compliance determination.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3237.94, "end": 3240.525, "text": "Denver and Washington State offer another lesson.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3240.75, "end": 3248.12, "text": "Jurisdictions can adapt timelines and compliance— compliance pathways to practical constraints while continuing implementation.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3248.393, "end": 3253.178, "text": "Effective flexibility maintains clear obligations and measurable progress.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3253.852, "end": 3256.93, "text": "And third, how does Portland's proposal compare?", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3257.779, "end": 3260.793, "text": "Several elements align well with sound policy design.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3261.402, "end": 3269.818, "text": "I think the, the draft currently established a clear emissions trajectory through 2050, annual reporting and independent 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}, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3332.827, "end": 3337.706, "text": "Will recognize early investments and encourage early adoption, which is key for any BPS.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3338.445, "end": 3342.329, "text": "Second, make flexibility available where it can deliver results.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3342.538, "end": 3348.364, "text": "I think the draft already provides extensions and exemptions for documented constraints.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3348.91, "end": 3357.834, "text": "It's just a matter of considering making the pathways available to other buildings with legitimate constraints, with enforceable milestones and a clear endpoint.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3358.267, "end": 3362.743, "text": "A plan can accommodate equipment replacement cycles while keeping improvements moving.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3363.336, "end": 3370.373, "text": "And third, this goes to any jurisdiction that IMT helps advise, funding implementation reliably.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3370.886, "end": 3375.887, "text": "So directing pollution impact fees toward retrofit assistance is useful.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3376.64, "end": 3381.353, "text": "It is notable to say that fee revenue depends on buildings falling short of their targets.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3381.433, "end": 3387.989, "text": "So core staffing and owner support needs that kind of dependable funding, including before fees are collected.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3388.086, "end": 3394.604, "text": "So the— also the 7% administrative cap, we do like that and recommend that.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3394.748, "end": 3404.653, "text": "And as actual implementation needs happen, should the policy pass, it is good to gut-check that administrative cap while actual implementation proceeds.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3404.798, "end": 3407.094, "text": "Again, if the policy proceeds as forward.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3408.249, "end": 3414.735, "text": "Lastly, throughout implementation, coordinate with the State of Oregon's program so owners can reuse data and technical work where possible.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3415.217, "end": 3417.837, "text": "So in closing, Portland has a strong foundation.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3418.126, "end": 3430.355, "text": "It has clear requirements, accountable flexibility, and sustained support can turn this ordinance into a practical investment framework that improves buildings while also protecting housing stability.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3430.857, "end": 3431.424, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3434.779, "end": 3435.446, "text": "Thank you, Rajiv.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3436, "end": 3436.586, "text": "Go ahead, Quinton.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3438.657, "end": 3441.136, "text": "Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3442.778, "end": 3444.333, "text": "My name is Quentin Zondervan.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3445.503, "end": 3460.953, "text": "As noted, I am the policy director at Run on Climate, and prior to that, I served 6 years on the Cambridge City Council in Massachusetts, where we often looked to Portland for some of our climate policies.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 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"cue-503", "start": 3681.447, "end": 3691.594, "text": "And now at Run on Climate, we work to support policymakers like yourself across the country in passing similar policies.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3691.643, "end": 3699.61, "text": "And what we find is that most cities are not able to achieve their climate goals without a building performance standard.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3700.604, "end": 3706.695, "text": "And so you are already on the right path, and we strongly support your effort.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3707.117, "end": 3711.437, "text": "And encourage you to move this legislation forward and to adopt it.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3712.623, "end": 3715.056, "text": "And we stand at the ready to assist you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3716.823, "end": 3722.464, "text": "Unlike our 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will also oversee exception or exemption requests and applications, as well as approving specific carbon credits that will be allowed to be used.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3828.781, "end": 3838.686, "text": "And to demonstrate how stringent our criteria were, there are currently no carbon credits in existence that meet our criteria.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3838.75, "end": 3844.79, "text": "So they would have to continue to improve those standards before they could use them.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3846.36, "end": 3849.081, "text": "So those are some of the highlights from Cambridge.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3849.146, "end": 3861.821, "text": "We're currently working with a number of jurisdictions across the country, including Watertown and Somerville in the Boston area, as well as Burlington, Vermont.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3862.528, "end": 3864.78, "text": "We assisted Evanston, Illinois.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3865.664, "end": 3869.694, "text": "Last year in adopting their Healthy Buildings Ordinance.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3870.802, "end": 3889.636, "text": "And so we stand at the ready to assist you at no cost, and we're happy to answer any questions or connect you with anyone who can answer your questions, including stakeholders in the communities where these building performance standards have been successfully implemented.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3890.716, "end": 3891.696, "text": "Thank you, Madam Chair.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3894.54, "end": 3897.895, "text": "Thank you both so much for joining us, uh, virtually.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3898.138, "end": 3900.537, "text": "We appreciate your time and expertise.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3901.336, "end": 3903.072, "text": "Um, so that is all the panelists.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3903.216, "end": 3905.289, "text": "I'll thank all of the panelists for joining us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3905.434, "end": 3916.699, "text": "And, um, ultimately, I think what I hope we hear in this is that, uh, there are lots of cities that are trying to tackle this problem and have made some great strides.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3916.966, "end": 3924.07, "text": "And so I'm grateful to the perspective of our panelists to talk about how we can make those same moves here, uh, in Portland.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3924.68, "end": 3932.827, "text": "So now we've got— and we're a little bit ahead of schedule, so we've got, um, about 40 minutes to discuss, ask questions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3933.645, "end": 3940.862, "text": "Um, I've got a bunch of questions I can ask to kick it off, but want to see where the committee's at, if you've got questions or comments.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3941.198, "end": 3942.449, "text": "All right, Councilor Novick, kick us off.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3942.867, "end": 3944.44, "text": "Thank you, Madam Chair.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3944.729, "end": 3950.622, "text": "And I've got a bunch of questions, which, most of which probably should be postponed until 2 weeks from now.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3950.75, "end": 3952.42, "text": "So just shut me up when you think of SNF.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3952.758, "end": 3952.982, "text": "Hmm.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3953.384, "end": 3966.277, "text": "And I wanna begin by saying that I start off being heavily biased in favor of this proposal, partly frankly because my old friend Angus Duncan, who was the head of the Global Warming Commission, is on the Climate and Sustainability Commission.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3966.325, "end": 3967.738, "text": "And I called him up and he said, yeah, this is good.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3968.878, "end": 3974.514, "text": "Having said that, though, we're going to hear a lot of questions about, is this going to raise rents?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3974.659, "end": 3977.806, "text": "Is this going to further depress our commercial properties, et cetera, et cetera?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3977.886, "end": 3981.435, "text": "So I do think that we need to at least ask those questions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3981.483, "end": 3982.896, "text": "I will give full disclosure.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3983.249, "end": 3987.681, "text": "I asked Multifamily Northwest what are some of the questions they would ask, and so they gave me some.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3988.146, "end": 3991.438, "text": "In some cases, the premise of their question might be totally wrong, and I'd be happy to hear that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3991.615, "end": 3993.028, "text": "But so just with that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3993.172, "end": 3993.349, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3994.649, "end": 4008.224, "text": "With that in mind, one question is, I think that for 2030, we're sort of allowing the buildings to assume that PG&E and Pacificorp have met their decarbonization targets mandated by the state.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 4008.786, "end": 4014.883, "text": "But it's my understanding that that's not true for the subsequent years, 2035, 2040, etc.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 4015.284, "end": 4017.146, "text": "And I'm just wondering what the thought is there.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 4017.29, "end": 4029.81, "text": "Is consideration given to saying, okay, you can always assume that PG&E and Pacificorp Vin, do you want to come start to address that?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 4029.81, "end": 4035.85, "text": "I'll note that I sent this same question over to Vin earlier today, and I'm expecting to get a full answer.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 4035.85, "end": 4039.53, "text": "So if you don't have one right now, that's okay, but know that it is a question in the pipeline.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 4039.53, "end": 4040.83, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 4040.83, "end": 4041.11, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 4041.11, "end": 4043.84, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick, and it's an important question.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 4044.97, "end": 4051.49, "text": "So for the clean energy targets at the state level, there has been some uncertainty in that we've seen more certainty over time that there are investments that are being made to meet those targets.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 4053.09, "end": 4053.45, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 4053.45, "end": 4057.01, "text": "We're seeing significant investments in renewable energy happening from both Pacific Power and PG.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 4057.01, "end": 4064.83, "text": "They've reduced their emissions by approximately 30% from 2010-2012 baseline to 2024.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 4064.83, "end": 4065.92, "text": "So we're seeing that progress.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 4066.39, "end": 4068.97, "text": "Their clean energy plans indicate additional progress.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 4069.11, "end": 4080.47, "text": "And at the same time, until the first deadline is reached in 2030, it's an 80% goal of reduction, there will always be a little bit of uncertainty until then.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 4080.49, "end": 4090.385, "text": "And so to give To give property owners some reassurance, our staff proposal has assumed that there is a— the clean energy targets will be reached.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 4090.755, "end": 4095.471, "text": "That makes 2030 essentially a procedural climate or procedural compliance year.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 4096.246, "end": 4106.383, "text": "And as noted earlier, that's the engagement that would lead to the planning for investments to get to 2035.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 4106.431, "end": 4106.642, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 4107.218, "end": 4113.451, "text": "Now, in 2035 and 2040, I think it's also some unknowns that are there.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 4113.548, "end": 4115.246, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 4115.358, "end": 4122.088, "text": "I mean, I think that the question is, I mean, if we think PG&E and Pacificorp meet their targets for 2030, that's great.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 4122.185, "end": 4124.716, "text": "That helps reduce emissions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 4124.829, "end": 4143.221, "text": "But if PG&E and Pacificorp don't meet their targets for 2035, 2040, et cetera, then I think we can assume that the The cost to the building owners of meeting these targets might be rather high compared to if PG&E and Pacifica do meet their targets.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 4143.27, "end": 4160.982, "text": "So I'm just wondering, what's the argument against just saying we— and actually, I'm curious what other cities have done about this, because I think that other cities that also have their sort of like renewable portfolio standards thing, what's the argument against saying we're going to do the same thing in 2035 and 2040?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 4161.062, "end": 4161.289, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 4162.293, "end": 4174.492, "text": "Well, I think one argument would be if it's just not technically feasible for the utilities to get to their 2035 and 2040 targets.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 4174.733, "end": 4180.967, "text": "I don't think we're seeing that right now, but that would be one argument, is to wait and see if it's even technically feasible.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 4181.16, "end": 4192.162, "text": "If it's not technically feasible, then a regulated credit mechanism could be considered, and that's what's used in a limited way in Boston, Massachusetts, as well as New York.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 4193.674, "end": 4198.113, "text": "And it was referenced in the credits, the carbon credits by Cambridge as well.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 4198.772, "end": 4209.784, "text": "So there is another route, but based on the current information that BPS has been tracking on the progress towards the clean energy targets, we don't think that option is necessary.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 4211.3, "end": 4213.371, "text": "Councilor, it looks like Quentin might want to answer your question.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 4213.419, "end": 4214.455, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Quentin.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 4214.552, "end": 4214.795, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 4216.26, "end": 4216.983, "text": "Thank you, Madam Chair.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 4217.224, "end": 4226.328, "text": "Through you, yes, the, um, this issue did not come up in Cambridge in the sense that we didn't make any assumptions either way.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 4227.58, "end": 4239.559, "text": "Um, but the covered properties can, of course, include whatever the emissions are on the grid as part of their compliance.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 4239.671, "end": 4240.008, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 4240.751, "end": 4264.48, "text": "And so I guess the broader assumption is that the utilities are going to achieve those goals, but the city did commit to, through its own community choice aggregation program, provide very low emission electricity to its basic service ratepayers.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 4265.596, "end": 4285.57, "text": "And so even if the utilities don't achieve those goals, this— the city's community choice aggregation program would allow the properties, at least through their electricity consumption, to receive credit for that low emissions electricity.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 4287.9, "end": 4288.288, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 4288.627, "end": 4291.599, "text": "Um, actually, I'm going to move on to another question, if I may.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 4293.093, "end": 4301.166, "text": "So one of the questions that Multifamily Northwest asked was something about what's going to be the impact on naturally occurring affordable housing.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 4301.439, "end": 4313.476, "text": "And I'm not going to, you know, they're like raising the spectrum that if people who currently own, quote, naturally occurring affordable housing have to bear too much cost, they might sell out to private equity, et cetera, et cetera.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 4313.556, "end": 4318.307, "text": "But I'm going to ask something more specific, which is, I mean, there's a guy named Joe Weston.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 4318.371, "end": 4318.435, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 4318.837, "end": 4324.876, "text": "Who for many years has owned properties where the rent is unusually low and they tend to be old buildings.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 4325.503, "end": 4331.992, "text": "And I was— and he's actually, I think, transferring his buildings to some sort of foundation.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 4332.105, "end": 4344.007, "text": "And I'm just curious, have we done outreach specifically to owners of private housing that is unusually affordable, sort of talk them through how they would comply with this?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 4346.544, "end": 4356.644, "text": "Yeah, so we did extensive outreach at BPS from 2022 to 2024, including weekly building workgroup meetings that were for property owners.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 4357.414, "end": 4367.964, "text": "So the outreach, I believe, did include Joe Weston invitation, but I think the representation was from Multifamily Northwest in those spaces for the private property owners.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 4369.36, "end": 4369.457, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 4370.083, "end": 4380.194, "text": "But what did the— in the outreach, did you sort of like ask them to sort of game out what they think would be necessary to meet the 2030 targets, the 2035 targets, et cetera?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 4380.274, "end": 4391.894, "text": "Through those engagement meetings that lasted over many months, we heard the concern about the potential impact on not just the property owners, but potential pass-through costs.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 4391.99, "end": 4392.311, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 4392.552, "end": 4401.902, "text": "So as a result of that, we contracted Eco Northwest to really look at what would be the— especially for a first carbon performance standard, what would be the outcome.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 4402.799, "end": 4413.636, "text": "And they confirmed what I think many of us know is that the rental market is a very complex system that has a lot of factors that are involved.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 4414.117, "end": 4421.507, "text": "But at the scale of retrofits necessary to comply, they concluded no net impact on renters.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 4421.828, "end": 4422.809, "text": "It's through pass-through.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 4424.69, "end": 4442.705, "text": "And that is a conclusion that was very important to us because we were specifically concerned about naturally occurring affordable housing because of our previous engagement with Build Shift and how they might be impacted.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 4442.979, "end": 4457.053, "text": "But some of those other factors are just the ability to pay, for instance, for the but didn't Eco Northwest just focus on 2030 rather than 2035, 2040, etc.?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 4457.923, "end": 4458.486, "text": "That's a good point.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 4458.567, "end": 4470.208, "text": "Yeah, so when we were looking at the carbon performance standards back then, we were looking at a, um, a very aggressive kind of timeline for adoption, and 2030 was a, a big year for a jump.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 4470.765, "end": 4481.827, "text": "Uh, this is similar to what Seattle had adopted, and since then our conclusion is that that long compliance period, which also ECON Northwest points out, that's very important to prevent that pass-through.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 4483.47, "end": 4484.954, "text": "The long compliance period is very important.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 4485.003, "end": 4493.756, "text": "So now we're looking at, it would be more like a 2040 to 2045 timeline where multifamily properties would be impacted rather than a 2030 timeline.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 4494.179, "end": 4495.497, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 4496.636, "end": 4510.901, "text": "Another issue that's been raised is What if you've got a property that's largely vacant and you have to use that, you know, the energy use as of now is the benchmark, and then a whole bunch of people, you know, move in and their energy use goes up?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 4510.982, "end": 4514.368, "text": "How does the policy adjust for that, or does it?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 4515.187, "end": 4518.14, "text": "These are all great questions for me, aren't they?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 4518.364, "end": 4526.165, "text": "Yeah, so being familiar with that concern in 2022 while we're engaging folks, and it was yeah.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 4526.245, "end": 4528.83, "text": "Deep in the pandemic too.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 4530.259, "end": 4533.214, "text": "We explored that question in some detail.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 4533.615, "end": 4540.455, "text": "And so as the staff proposal advanced, we really considered how do we address the vacancy?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 4540.52, "end": 4544.999, "text": "And the key for these carbon performance standards is to set the right baseline.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 4545.674, "end": 4550.298, "text": "So we explicitly state 2027 and 2028 as 2 options.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 4550.812, "end": 4555.354, "text": "But then a property owner could ask for a different baseline.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 4555.546, "end": 4562.415, "text": "For instance, if down the road they had a higher level of occupancy, that would be a very reasonable consideration.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 4563.089, "end": 4569.589, "text": "The other thing we heard is that property owners more recently made investments, and so they wanted to get credit for those advancements.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 4570.311, "end": 4578.895, "text": "In Portland, there's commercial buildings have been reporting for over 10 years, so they might have a year that says, well, Here's where we were before we made all these investments.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4578.959, "end": 4579.825, "text": "Can we get credit for that?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4580.177, "end": 4581.86, "text": "So that provides that option for them too.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4582.502, "end": 4583.864, "text": "Yeah, I was familiar with that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4583.944, "end": 4593.289, "text": "One thing I worry about is if we have it be too individualized, we might need to like have lots of FTE in the city sort of looking at these individualized proposals.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4593.465, "end": 4603.868, "text": "So when I was talking to Angus about this issue of whether you require everybody to reduce by 20% a year, people start at different places.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4603.964, "end": 4615.205, "text": "He said that in some In some energy efficiency context, the sort of alternative to a percent reduction every X amount of time is to set sort of an efficiency target.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4615.398, "end": 4623.622, "text": "Say this is where the top third of buildings are, so everybody needs to meet that by X date, which I think might be easy.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4623.75, "end": 4627.268, "text": "I mean, off the top of my head, might be sort of easier to administer.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4627.348, "end": 4634.205, "text": "And we'd sort of be telling people, all right, if you've Done a— if you've done a bunch of work, then you should already be meeting that target.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4634.254, "end": 4635.596, "text": "But if you haven't, you at least have to do that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4637.577, "end": 4641.545, "text": "Sort of like energy effi— you know, energy use per square foot or something.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4641.593, "end": 4643.577, "text": "It has to be down to a certain level.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4645.445, "end": 4654.18, "text": "Was there a consideration of sort of an option like that, um, instead of individualized target meetings, saying here's a target that everybody has to meet?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4655.613, "end": 4658.431, "text": "Yeah, uh, That's another approach to take.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4658.495, "end": 4666.528, "text": "Seattle takes that approach, and then the state of Oregon also takes that approach with their building energy performance standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4666.821, "end": 4668.531, "text": "Seattle has carbon performance standards.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4670.665, "end": 4682.812, "text": "In examining that approach, one of the key considerations was that if we set a target as they did, which is if there's a goal for, let's say, the whole multifamily sector to get to 20% reduction, then they say, here's where the target is.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4682.86, "end": 4682.925, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4683.353, "end": 4691.996, "text": "But the challenge in that is in those first compliance years, this goes back to how we changed things so that 2030 wasn't the hardest year to be hit for naturally occurring affordable housing.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4692.172, "end": 4696.172, "text": "The poorest performing buildings have to make the biggest jump to get to that target.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4696.606, "end": 4698.871, "text": "And we really thought that didn't seem equitable.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4698.936, "end": 4710.309, "text": "And going back to the concerns that you mentioned earlier, that an unintended outcome that we wouldn't want to see is for folks to feel like, or property owners to feel like that they would have to move on from their buildings.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4713.625, "end": 4714.932, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4715.012, "end": 4720.401, "text": "I also just have to note that we've heard about 3 jurisdictions where I've lived: DC, New York, and Cambridge.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4720.723, "end": 4723.275, "text": "So that was kind of like homey.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4723.698, "end": 4724.138, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4725.18, "end": 4725.603, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4725.669, "end": 4728.241, "text": "Well, let's do it like those 3 cities.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4730.271, "end": 4731.486, "text": "Go ahead, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4733.024, "end": 4737.609, "text": "Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Councilor Novick, for many of those questions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4739.99, "end": 4741.387, "text": "I have a couple of questions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4741.435, "end": 4744.116, "text": "If I run too long, Chair, let me know.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4744.983, "end": 4758.487, "text": "I want to start with just understanding the differences between what was in the work that the Bureau was doing previously and what is in the proposal that is now under discussion.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4758.551, "end": 4764.219, "text": "I know we're saving specific conversation about that proposal for when it comes forward in a few weeks.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4764.652, "end": 4777.487, "text": "But we heard presentations on both today, and I'd like to make sure that I'm properly thinking about what we have before us now and what has changed from what was before us previously and why those changes were made.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4778.353, "end": 4780.743, "text": "I can start to answer that, and then you can speak more to the history.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4781.08, "end": 4787.979, "text": "I mean, in general, this is a proposal, the language, the work has been led not by my office.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4788.396, "end": 4789.503, "text": "It's been led by BPS.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4789.599, "end": 4790.529, "text": "It's been led by community.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4790.642, "end": 4795.667, "text": "So the changes that we've made, you know, they've been working on it since 2022.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4796.486, "end": 4806.697, "text": "Like they said, there was a moment where they took a pause, did the pilot, uh, commissioned the Eco Northwest study, um, and there were changes that of course happened from that point.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4807.082, "end": 4810.566, "text": "And that came— and those changes were made prior to coming to me, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4810.631, "end": 4814.596, "text": "So I'm coming in at the tail end as far as the actual language.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4815.11, "end": 4826.173, "text": "And then coming in with the workshop with me and the other engagement that I was doing, there were some changes that have been made most recently, some of the ones that I've shared with council, um, from concerns that have been coming in recently.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4826.59, "end": 4830.283, "text": "But for the most part, the changes have not been made by my office.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4830.38, "end": 4834.201, "text": "They've been made by BPS, and it's evolved over the course of that time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4834.329, "end": 4844.686, "text": "So I'm looking for specifics and understanding the policy that we will have before us compared to the policy that was last aired as BPS was doing this work previously.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4847.861, "end": 4848.999, "text": "What, what is different now?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4849.079, "end": 4851.291, "text": "Because I've heard that there are some significant differences.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4851.708, "end": 4853.295, "text": "This is Andrea Jacob for the record.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4854.128, "end": 4863.249, "text": "We have looked at the code that we left off with in November of 2025 to what is currently posted on the, uh, councilor's website.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4863.361, "end": 4866.183, "text": "So those are the 2 points that we looked at.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4866.936, "end": 4874.244, "text": "At a high level, we can say that, um, from our draft to this draft, uh, residential condos So those are no longer covered.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4875.453, "end": 4883.92, "text": "On the carbon performance standards piece, there's this bit about 2030 and the greenhouse, assuming that the utilities are going to meet their target.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4884.097, "end": 4888.896, "text": "That is a new piece that BPS did not make from our— in our draft.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4890.41, "end": 4896.877, "text": "There's a bit from— in the carbon performance standards around swimming pool heating at the requester parks.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4896.958, "end": 4897.748, "text": "We are excluding that.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4897.797, "end": 4897.845, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4897.953, "end": 4899.423, "text": "From the calculations.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4901.54, "end": 4901.717, "text": "Final—.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4901.717, "end": 4903.976, "text": "Or when I say we, Councilor's draft.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4904.476, "end": 4921.257, "text": "Councilor's draft also includes the idea that offsets and renewable natural gas and unregulated credit mechanisms, these other ways of meeting the goal, will not be considered in the final carbon performance standards.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4922.648, "end": 4928.862, "text": "So those were— that flexibility was previously granted and is not granted That's my understanding.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4928.926, "end": 4929.647, "text": "Can you confirm that?", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4929.936, "end": 4930.256, "text": "That's right.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4930.336, "end": 4930.497, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Vivian Satterfield" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4931.618, "end": 4941.857, "text": "There's a good bit in there around alternate compliance plans, and those are specifically addressing concerns by campus institutions that the Counselor's Office was responsive to.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4942.85, "end": 4947.85, "text": "So clarifying that, you know, just the definition of what a campus portfolio is.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4948.426, "end": 4954.467, "text": "It allows more— generally what those changes do, allow more flexibility for the campus institutions to comply.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4955.493, "end": 4958.17, "text": "There was a change in the carbon pollution impact fee.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4958.539, "end": 4966.362, "text": "BPS, if left to, you know, in our code, we did not get specific about a cost per metric ton.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4967.195, "end": 4970.562, "text": "This draft, the councilor's draft, does get more specific about that.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4971.347, "end": 4980.949, "text": "And then on the extensions and exemptions, all electric buildings in this, in the current draft, not the BPS draft, could seek an exemption.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4981.927, "end": 4982.247, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4982.76, "end": 4988.048, "text": "So that's a pretty high-level summary of what we see as the changes from when we left off.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4988.737, "end": 4989.682, "text": "Great, that's really helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4989.731, "end": 4990.211, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4990.9, "end": 4995.547, "text": "Um, I think you all are probably the right people to answer my next question.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4996.429, "end": 4999.537, "text": "I am trying to understand what zero means.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 5000.146, "end": 5009.221, "text": "So we have this standard where you reduce from baseline 20% every 5 years, which means that in 25 years we have to be at zero.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 5010.057, "end": 5019.774, "text": "And I heard in the presentation that ways to get there can include energy efficiency measures, onsite renewables, electrification, paid offsets.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 5022.803, "end": 5027.925, "text": "As we look at getting to zero, are all of those things going to be required?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 5028.151, "end": 5050.766, "text": "And what I'm thinking about is if a building owner electrifies and can guarantee that all of their electricity is renewable sources, either because of onsite renewables or the portfolio of our electrical utilities, do they need to do any of the energy efficiency upgrades that would help lower utility costs for renters?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 5052.69, "end": 5053.24, "text": "Do they?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 5053.92, "end": 5056.784, "text": "So let's, let's start with that, right, as an example.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 5056.865, "end": 5074.619, "text": "Similarly, if you do all of the energy efficiency upgrades, you have the tightest the tightest building possible in terms of your building shell and energy leakage, and you've done everything you can there, but you are still using natural gas.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 5075.167, "end": 5077.036, "text": "Is there any way for you to get to zero?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 5077.116, "end": 5087.311, "text": "Is there any way to get to zero with the use of natural gas, or is this a default electrification bill, though it's not being pitched that way?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 5088.367, "end": 5089.455, "text": "So that's 2 examples.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 5089.552, "end": 5089.65, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 5089.912, "end": 5098.752, "text": "That I have talked about with folks, but I'm wondering what zero means and what we actually are requiring to get there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 5100.524, "end": 5101.877, "text": "Yeah, great questions, Councilor.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 5103.68, "end": 5110.68, "text": "So I think I'll start with the second question first on energy efficiency if a building uses natural gas.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 5111.468, "end": 5125.476, "text": "So to get to zero, natural gas served buildings would have to not use fossil fuels because you can't get to zero carbon emissions with fossil fuels, with one exception, which would be carbon capture and storage.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 5126.102, "end": 5129.62, "text": "That's a technology that is under development.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 5130.536, "end": 5132.48, "text": "It seems like it's constantly emerging, though.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 5132.785, "end": 5135.644, "text": "And so that is a possibility.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 5135.981, "end": 5140.479, "text": "But that would be allowed under the proposal that we're going to be seeing in a few weeks?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 5140.736, "end": 5144.479, "text": "It's not specific right now in the proposal because it hasn't emerged.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 5145.713, "end": 5150.67, "text": "But that would be one of the ways that a natural gas served building could get to zero.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 5154.09, "end": 5154.607, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 5154.784, "end": 5156.756, "text": "And did I answer all of your question, or is there more?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 5156.804, "end": 5158.969, "text": "I think that's— that was the second example I gave.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 5159.034, "end": 5182.984, "text": "The first was if you fully electrify and you can guarantee that it's all renewable, renewable sources, would you have to do any energy efficiency Or could we have a leaky building with incredibly high utility costs for renters, but because it's all onsite solar or whatever it is that you're using as your renewable source, you actually don't have to do anything else?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 5183.048, "end": 5183.995, "text": "You're already at zero.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 5185.198, "end": 5186.273, "text": "Yeah, and that, that is correct.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 5186.337, "end": 5190.445, "text": "So this is a zero carbon performance standard by 2050.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 5190.589, "end": 5194.039, "text": "And so any type of electrification to get there would be included.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 5194.745, "end": 5201.127, "text": "With that said though, to reach the early targets, energy efficiency would be the wiser way to make an investment.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 5201.694, "end": 5210.879, "text": "And what we've seen in the other cities that have adopted these kinds of policies is to have navigators to help property owners make good decisions for their investments.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 5215.455, "end": 5224.297, "text": "There was one other thing I was thinking of too that— oh, and also I wanted to point out that this policy is really complementary with the state's policy.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 5224.346, "end": 5224.475, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 5225.073, "end": 5230.099, "text": "I mentioned before, the state only gets us to a 5% carbon emissions reduction.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 5230.211, "end": 5231.785, "text": "The goal to zero is 100%.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 5232.861, "end": 5235.799, "text": "But that is an energy efficiency policy.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 5236.393, "end": 5241.419, "text": "So we have the state's energy efficiency for the least performing buildings to get it to average.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 5242.077, "end": 5244.149, "text": "That would be addressing much of that piece.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 5244.325, "end": 5249.239, "text": "And by doing so, those property owners would gain reductions in carbon emissions too.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 5250.348, "end": 5252.273, "text": "And finally, that there are funding sources.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 5252.694, "end": 5258.339, "text": "And so that navigator that I mentioned earlier would be connecting funding sources for property owners.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 5258.436, "end": 5262.238, "text": "There's a stack of incentives, and it's not just PSIF, I'm happy to say.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 5263.209, "end": 5279.451, "text": "There is the Oregon Housing Community Services Multifamily Energy Program that has a substantial amount of funding, and there are existing programs at the Energy Trust of Oregon that can provide incentives to really improve efficiency.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 5279.807, "end": 5280.179, "text": "Certainly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 5282.799, "end": 5290.17, "text": "Changing gears for a minute in my question here, in the pilot program that we have run, were the—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 5290.17, "end": 5294.031, "text": "Can I just pause you real quick just because I see one of the other panelists.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 5294.224, "end": 5297.006, "text": "Quinton, did you want to reply to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 5298.109, "end": 5299.641, "text": "Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 5299.708, "end": 5312.46, "text": "Through you, just wanted to weigh in on the question about an all-electric building that is receiving all of its energy from electricity, from renewable electricity.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 5313.839, "end": 5321.805, "text": "And at least in, in Cambridge, that would be considered a zero-emissions building.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 5322.607, "end": 5322.847, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 5323.136, "end": 5347.727, "text": "But we have not ever seen anyone attempt to convert an extremely poor-performing building in terms of energy efficiency to 100% renewable without improving the efficiency, because that would be economically not advantageous.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 5347.84, "end": 5367.166, "text": "Because if you're wasting a lot of energy, then your payback period on renewable Energy is much longer, and so there's a built-in incentive to improve the efficiency as you switch your energy source to renewable electricity.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 5368.54, "end": 5368.864, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 5373.12, "end": 5378.649, "text": "In the pilot that we've been conducting, do you know the age of the buildings?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 5378.988, "end": 5387.634, "text": "And I am wondering if these are are predominantly, obviously not new, but newer buildings or predominantly significantly older buildings.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 5387.812, "end": 5415.41, "text": "And if there's anything that we need to be aware of in terms of how that pilot will, how the results of that pilot will transfer to buildings across the city, if they were all a similar age or a similar type of build, where we might need to think about how other types of buildings yeah, that's a great question too.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 5415.41, "end": 5423.18, "text": "And there's a wide range of ages of buildings and the renters that are served.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 5423.21, "end": 5427.47, "text": "So one of the buildings is naturally occurring affordable housing, another one's regulated affordable housing.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 5428.67, "end": 5435.3, "text": "Others are at market rate across the kind of income spectrum, from our understanding.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 5435.3, "end": 5435.48, "text": "And so I think that's a really important question.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 5435.48, "end": 5435.52, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 5435.916, "end": 5437.585, "text": "And there's various ages.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 5437.858, "end": 5449.136, "text": "And one thing I think is really interesting, when we have that commercial energy reporting data in hand in our first year, we heard repeatedly concerns about like, what about the older buildings because they'll be poor performing?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 5449.714, "end": 5453.901, "text": "And then the city actually discloses that information on a map as the incentive to do better.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 5454.768, "end": 5456.917, "text": "And won't this be shaming these older buildings?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 5457.591, "end": 5466.004, "text": "And what's fascinating when we have the data, and this is pretty consistent across the US, The highest performing buildings are before we started conditioning them in the 1940s.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 5466.666, "end": 5477.436, "text": "So when we look at, like, when we have modern building energy codes since 2010, the performance of those modern buildings is very similar to those from 1880 through 1920s.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 5477.565, "end": 5479.745, "text": "It's the buildings in the middle that we have problems with.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 5480.14, "end": 5482.129, "text": "Yeah, especially if they're air-cooled.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 5485.416, "end": 5496.35, "text": "I would love, as we move forward with these discussions to just learn a little bit more about the pilot and what we learned through those buildings to help us understand how this program will work moving forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 5498.576, "end": 5502.183, "text": "Um, I have a question about institutions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 5502.36, "end": 5527.735, "text": "Do we know very much— and maybe our panelists online could help with this— do we know very much about how institutions were treated in other major cities and what what allowances were needed for our large healthcare and education settings to be a part of this program in a way that works for those types of campuses?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 5531.706, "end": 5534.006, "text": "I could share something, but Quentin, do you want to share the—.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 5534.296, "end": 5536.645, "text": "Yeah, Mr. Sondervan, did you have something there?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 5538.061, "end": 5540.104, "text": "Yeah, certainly happy to speak to that.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 5541.23, "end": 5558.025, "text": "As I mentioned in my remarks, there was initial opposition from Harvard and MIT, who own a lot of property in Cambridge, when we pulled in the deadline for the largest buildings to be 2035.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 5559.423, "end": 5563.81, "text": "And that took about 2 years to have that conversation with them.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 5564.91, "end": 5580.169, "text": "But ultimately, we were able to land on a policy that that they were happy with, and that included a lot of flexibility mechanisms, including, as I mentioned, carbon credits, the campus designation.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 5581.003, "end": 5595.969, "text": "We also designed a deferral mechanism where they could essentially— so we, we did include an alternative compliance fee of $234 a ton.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 5597.366, "end": 5608.172, "text": "And so in theory, they would owe that amount at the end of the compliance period if they didn't meet the designated targets.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 5608.847, "end": 5620.536, "text": "But through this deferral mechanism, they could receive a deferral on paying those fees in exchange for presenting a plan that has to be approved by the advisory council.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 5620.648, "end": 5620.777, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 5621.919, "end": 5637.129, "text": "And that plan would allow them to say in 3 years or 4 years, we're going to make these major upgrades and we calculate that it will reduce our emissions beyond what will be required at that point.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 5638.259, "end": 5649.257, "text": "And if they meet those, you know, sort of prospective emissions reductions, then They don't have to pay those fees.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 5650.076, "end": 5660.303, "text": "But if they fail to meet those reductions, then they have to pay the fee plus a 10% penalty for not meeting those reductions.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 5661.235, "end": 5661.459, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 5661.556, "end": 5666.918, "text": "And they really like those provisions because it allows them to plan ahead several years.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 5667.978, "end": 5683.123, "text": "And even though they don't meet the requirements in the compliance year, They can defer the payment of those fees and catch up in, in a few years if the city approves their plan.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5684.213, "end": 5698.566, "text": "So it sounds like there was essentially an alternate track for those institutions with the ability to do things on a timeline that is more in line with the institutional planning that's required in spaces like that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5698.646, "end": 5699.095, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5700.637, "end": 5704.508, "text": "Yeah, those provisions are not specific to those institutions.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5705.456, "end": 5716.892, "text": "So, you know, theoretically anyone could take advantage of that provision, but they were particularly interested in those provisions because they do that type of long-term planning.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5717.486, "end": 5718.402, "text": "Okay, that's great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5718.466, "end": 5722.24, "text": "That would be something that I think would be interesting to learn more about.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5722.321, "end": 5722.642, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5723.911, "end": 5726.754, "text": "Mr. Revillapati, did you have something to add as well?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 5726.818, "end": 5729.323, "text": "And I apologize if I I mispronounced your name there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 5730.11, "end": 5731.089, "text": "That's quite all right.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5731.234, "end": 5732.679, "text": "Kudos to you for getting it on the first try.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5733.225, "end": 5744.432, "text": "Um, what I was going to say, Councilmember, in regards to follow-up on Quentin's response, I, I believe I heard you ask like, um, how are hospitals or institutional buildings complying with BPS?", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5744.545, "end": 5749.667, "text": "How have other jurisdictions with a BPS assuaged their concerns?", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5750.084, "end": 5754.594, "text": "Um, okay, a couple remarks I would have to that is broad strokes.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5754.978, "end": 5759.657, "text": "So typically other jurisdictions address those concerns mainly through tailored compliance plans.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5760.202, "end": 5767.301, "text": "So really, we're offering greater flexibility within the bucket that is alternative compliance pathways.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5767.413, "end": 5779.239, "text": "Basically, an alternative compliance pathway is just an alternate to meeting the actual performance pathway or the performance target, and how ACPs are defined can be— can vary by the jurisdiction.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5780.538, "end": 5786.936, "text": "Also, jurisdictions have addressed these concerns by campus-wide accounting and specific allowances for critical operations.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5786.984, "end": 5794.2, "text": "So I guess 2 locations that I would cite as examples would be Seattle and Boston.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5794.28, "end": 5811.042, "text": "So in Seattle, how hospitals and institutions can comply is that district campuses can submit what they call customized decarbonization plans, and they're meant to deliver cumulative Emissions reductions equal or greater than the standard pathway.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5811.572, "end": 5819.391, "text": "And then eligible deductions include emergency generators, hospital emergency backup heat, or things like hospital laundry.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5820.001, "end": 5835.159, "text": "And the way that approach addressed their concerns, um, was that it accommodates central plans— central plants, I'm sorry— and phased capital projects while distinguishing those critical energy uses from ordinary building loads.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5835.223, "end": 5846.639, "text": "So essentially, Seattle also held focused hospital and laboratory and campus rulemaking meetings after they passed the policy and they moved towards the regulatory development.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5846.912, "end": 5853.865, "text": "They had additional stakeholder meetings, uh, and focused groups with hospitals, labs, and campuses.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5854.282, "end": 5860.957, "text": "Um, and then specific to Boston, um, same owner buildings can comprise a portfolio.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5861.903, "end": 5873.51, "text": "Owners may apply for like individual schedules, but there's also specific hardship plans and criteria that Boston has in place that addresses eligible technical or financial constraints.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5873.558, "end": 5883.209, "text": "So for Boston, they're allowing institutions to sequence investments across buildings and then seek like individual reviewed adjustments.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5884.168, "end": 5885.587, "text": "Okay, that's really helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5885.797, "end": 5900.836, "text": "I think the allowances for, I think you said it was emergency operations or major operations, those backup systems is a really interesting thing to hear about.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5901.887, "end": 5902.824, "text": "I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5903.342, "end": 5918.18, "text": "Yeah, the last thing I'll say about Boston is, and Quentin recognizes this given he used to be adjacent to Boston, But as we know, like Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, all, you know, Boston, the Boston area has a very strong healthcare district.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5918.324, "end": 5922.837, "text": "And so Boston created a healthcare district energy working group.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5923.126, "end": 5945.177, "text": "It's no longer active, but that working group was influential during the rulemaking process to help assuage some of those longer, those longer-term concerns that hospitals and So that is also— I think rulemaking is— stakeholder engagement is inherent to the next step after adoption, which is rulemaking.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5945.61, "end": 5963.389, "text": "And that's another opportunity where the jurisdiction can consider, like, a broad stakeholder engagement plan coupled with more narrowed working groups on specific property types who are going to have these more unique circumstances in order to meet the HART standards or the CHS standards, I should say.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5964.591, "end": 5964.847, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5964.927, "end": 5965.745, "text": "That's really helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5965.793, "end": 5977.398, "text": "And it sounds, in a few things that you have said and that others have said as well, like that stakeholder engagement and making sure we figure out how this can actually work and be implementable in different industries will be really important.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5977.446, "end": 6005.053, "text": "I'll also note that there's testimony submitted, or I guess not testimony, but a document submitted from the Office of Sustainability in the City of Seattle that notes that they ended up getting unanimous support in part because of a lot of groundwork that was done trying to figure out how to make the standards meet the needs of sustainability goals while also working for a variety of stakeholders.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 6005.102, "end": 6014.619, "text": "So I'm taking note that that's an important part of the work that we will certainly need to continue to do as we move forward with figuring out the best way to do this in our city.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 6015.925, "end": 6016.636, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 6016.717, "end": 6017.834, "text": "I appreciate the answers.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 6017.931, "end": 6021.927, "text": "I have a few more questions written down, but I'll pause here to make sure we have time for others as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 6022.073, "end": 6022.494, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 6027.177, "end": 6028.533, "text": "Uh, thank you, Chair Avalos.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 6028.646, "end": 6031.034, "text": "Thanks for, um, leading on this policy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 6031.454, "end": 6036.442, "text": "Um, I think it's critical for our, uh, you know, sort of putting a stake in the ground.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 6036.491, "end": 6038.034, "text": "Is Portland a climate leader or not?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 6038.28, "end": 6039.676, "text": "You know, so I think this is a big piece of it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 6041.166, "end": 6043.839, "text": "I think you touched on something a little earlier.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 6043.92, "end": 6059.809, "text": "You mentioned the kind of eligibility for certain energy efficiency grants, and I wanted to tie that together a little bit because in an earlier conversation— make sure I'm tracking this correctly— so Eco Northwest did some analysis on net impact to tenants in what year?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 6061.745, "end": 6065.39, "text": "The analysis started, I believe, at the beginning of 2024.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 6065.438, "end": 6068.745, "text": "We might have engaged them in 2023, but it was completed in 2024.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 6069.895, "end": 6082.644, "text": "Okay, and so then, so that's a relatively recent, um, so that net impact to tenants, did that consider, I mean, what we would refer to as like warm rent, so rent plus utilities, or is it just rent?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 6082.981, "end": 6083.752, "text": "Rent plus utilities.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 6083.929, "end": 6094.109, "text": "Right, and that's probably why they found that there's no net impact is because over the long haul you see that this lowers their net utility bills.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 6094.608, "end": 6103.693, "text": "So if they're seeing some upward rent pressure from the cost of upgrading the building, that's offset by the reduction in the utility bills.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 6103.741, "end": 6105.199, "text": "Is that the right way to think about it?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 6105.928, "end": 6106.3, "text": "That is.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6106.641, "end": 6112.133, "text": "And there is a summary of their discussion specifically around naturally occurring affordable housing.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6113.466, "end": 6135.483, "text": "And to your point, the conclusion is that given this long compliance period, That owners would not readily recover their investments to comply, except in the case when it's well known by both the renter and the owner that utility bills have gone down.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6135.742, "end": 6137.803, "text": "And that goes back to what I was mentioning earlier, the ability to pay.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6138.53, "end": 6146.51, "text": "So if it's known that the tenant now has a heat pump that's saving them $50 a month, it's known by both parties, then that recovery of $50 a month could happen.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 6146.558, "end": 6146.752, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 6150.366, "end": 6150.511, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 6151.883, "end": 6162.418, "text": "And when they did this analysis, did they look at, like, how did they estimate sort of— and I'm sorry, I'm getting like super technical, but how do they estimate like utility bills?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 6164.12, "end": 6167.639, "text": "Yeah, that's a great question, and it's a good technical question.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6167.735, "end": 6184.875, "text": "I don't have the exact answer for you at this time, but they worked with The cost estimator on the estimating the equipment costs for the reduction utility bills.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6185.15, "end": 6192.788, "text": "They also worked with ZGF in town, an architect, and they— I think maybe they provided that data to them.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6193.567, "end": 6193.729, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6194.199, "end": 6194.945, "text": "We can follow up.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6195.091, "end": 6196.388, "text": "Yeah, that'd be helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6198.116, "end": 6210.986, "text": "In a previous life, I used to be a load forecaster for a large utility, and the way that it works is, generally speaking, the utility plans based upon the peakiness of their load over the course of a year.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6211.98, "end": 6222.28, "text": "And so if you have climate change happening, you have a situation where Portland households have to turn on the heat more often than they used to, or, or turn on the air conditioning more often than they used to.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6223.226, "end": 6225.007, "text": "That increases what's called heating degree days.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6225.537, "end": 6227.253, "text": "Which then drives your peaks up.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6227.318, "end": 6245.158, "text": "And so if you've got a situation where building a code standard or sort of a standard like this sort of creates a regulatory cap on overall emissions, that's going to reduce those heating degree days and cooling degree days, and that's going to flatten out your load forecast.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6245.206, "end": 6250.629, "text": "And so I do think— I don't know if that went into that analysis, but I think that's sort of bullish for the case.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6252.291, "end": 6264.329, "text": "And also, there's probably a feedback loop whereby utility bills themselves get lower because the utilities don't need to do as expensive upgrades that they might have otherwise had to do in the absence of this policy framework.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6264.41, "end": 6273.794, "text": "So I think that there's— if we're not capturing that full cost and benefit picture, then I think we might be understating the benefits to all parties from the study.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6273.842, "end": 6277.484, "text": "And so I'll look for any details that maybe exist in the record.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6277.662, "end": 6278.94, "text": "Maybe you can help me find those between—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 6278.94, "end": 6279.005, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 6279.122, "end": 6286.732, "text": "Before this comes to a vote, but I'd be curious in stitching all that together for the rest of our colleagues who are not on this committee.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 6287.535, "end": 6289.622, "text": "Sure, that's a very good point.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 6289.783, "end": 6301.038, "text": "And that is reminding me that it's not just the utility bill reductions because of higher efficient equipment, but also they looked at rates and assumed rate trends based on a certain timeframe in the 2020s.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 6301.745, "end": 6304.314, "text": "Yeah, I think this is a—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 6304.57, "end": 6304.683, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 6305.456, "end": 6309.18, "text": "And then of course, you know, I'm looking at the CIP for PCF right now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 6309.245, "end": 6314.594, "text": "There's just a number of opportunities to apply for these grants, uh, to offset these costs as well.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 6314.643, "end": 6316.216, "text": "So, um, and you already mentioned that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6316.265, "end": 6318.341, "text": "So, um, I think that's all I have.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6318.666, "end": 6320.775, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6324.437, "end": 6325.682, "text": "Hi, thank you for being here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6326.377, "end": 6329.95, "text": "Um, I have a question for our representative from the county.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6330.646, "end": 6351.573, "text": "Andrea, if that's possible, because oftentimes on this dais we're thinking about city-county collaboration more in terms of homelessness response, and I'm wondering if you can speak at all to how we can do— how we can be better partners on climate issues and if there are gaps or opportunities you see.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6352.295, "end": 6353.161, "text": "That's a great question.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6353.818, "end": 6360.356, "text": "I don't have an immediate answer for you, but I'd love to connect with your your team and talk more about opportunities upcoming.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6363.35, "end": 6363.816, "text": "Okay, to be brief.", "speaker": "Andrea Hamberg" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6365.435, "end": 6365.741, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6366.272, "end": 6370.881, "text": "And then I had a question, um, for Taryn, if that's okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6371.026, "end": 6371.493, "text": "Is that okay, Taryn?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6372.315, "end": 6378.33, "text": "Um, so I understand that, that you actually were part of the Build Shift Collective.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6378.844, "end": 6379.053, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6379.31, "end": 6393.877, "text": "That helped develop the climate and health standards for existing buildings And I'm wondering if you can speak a little bit to why it was important for community that the building performance standards were paired with tenant-focused policies in the proposal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6394.198, "end": 6395.516, "text": "Yeah, thank you for that question.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6396.946, "end": 6402.875, "text": "So we, Build Shift, met over the course of, I believe it was like 2 or 3 years or so.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6402.955, "end": 6420.553, "text": "We had a lot of conversations with the team as well as several larger community convenings And that was a concern that we repeatedly heard, that people, of course, like, wanted their housing to be healthier, more efficient, but they were concerned about potential displacement.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6420.859, "end": 6429.603, "text": "And so that was something that we wanted to make sure was, you know, centered in this policy and that there were measures in there to mitigate potential displacement that could occur.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6431.549, "end": 6431.908, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6432.544, "end": 6434.388, "text": "That's all that popped up for me for now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6435.497, "end": 6437.052, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6437.34, "end": 6438.895, "text": "Thank you, Madam Chair.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6439.023, "end": 6441.476, "text": "I think this question is for Ben and Andrea again.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6442.39, "end": 6445.932, "text": "There's something I forgot to ask, which I'm just intensely personally curious about.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6447.134, "end": 6461.593, "text": "I think your proposed carbon pollution impact fee is set at $380 per ton, and in my last job in this coalition of 120 lawyers from a bunch of different state AG's offices around the country, I was the social cost of carbon guy.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6462.267, "end": 6471.502, "text": "And the Obama administration, as you probably know, said that the cost that carbon imposes on the world is $50 per ton, which was obscenely low.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6471.599, "end": 6473.976, "text": "And then Trump tried to cut it to $7 a ton.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6474.104, "end": 6483.773, "text": "And then the Biden administration raised it to $190 a ton, which is better, but it still leaves out a lot of things they said they couldn't measure, like the cost of wildfires.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6484.142, "end": 6486.873, "text": "So I'm just curious how you got to the $380.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6487.001, "end": 6488.109, "text": "What factors do you look at?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6489.979, "end": 6490.98, "text": "Andrea Jacob, for the record.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6491.045, "end": 6495.726, "text": "Councilor, I'd like to defer to Chair Avalos since that number did not come from BPS.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6495.984, "end": 6500.118, "text": "Oh, well, the reference did.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6500.507, "end": 6501.593, "text": "The reference, not the number.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6501.658, "end": 6504.366, "text": "The 380 did not come from us, but if you want to speak to the—.", "speaker": "Andrea Durbin" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6504.658, "end": 6522.724, "text": "Yeah, so in the draft that we prepared based on the staff proposal, we looked at the social cost of carbon as one factor, but also other factors like but really importantly is, does this incentivize retrofits?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6522.836, "end": 6525.583, "text": "Is it high enough to incentivize reducing emissions?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6525.648, "end": 6528.909, "text": "Because the goal is not to raise revenue through fees.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6529.022, "end": 6531.158, "text": "The goal is really to get to zero carbon emissions.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6531.737, "end": 6539.96, "text": "So we shared an EPA resource that I believe all the other cities that have carbon performance standards also reference, or earlier drafts of it.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6540.105, "end": 6543.717, "text": "It's a 2023 EPA social cost of greenhouse gases.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6543.765, "end": 6543.927, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6544.05, "end": 6544.163, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6544.649, "end": 6559.491, "text": "In there, Table 4.1.1, you can see a variety of scenarios from 2030 to 2050 and beyond for different discount rates and a cost of carbon associated with each one.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6559.943, "end": 6564.655, "text": "So we refer to that as a great resource for the councilor's consideration.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 6565.235, "end": 6576.788, "text": "And then as we referred it, we also noted that these utility discount— or the discount rate is essentially, how much do you value doing something about climate now versus having to deal with it later?", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 6576.949, "end": 6583.593, "text": "And so the higher value within that table is addressing those concerns earlier rather than waiting till later.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 6584.09, "end": 6586.385, "text": "Okay, that's music to my ears.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 6586.642, "end": 6593.559, "text": "I mean, I think there's a strong argument for having no discount rate whatsoever because future generations matter as much as we do.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 6594.843, "end": 6599.521, "text": "What the Biden administration did specifically was they dropped the discount rate from 3% to 2%.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 6601.584, "end": 6607.42, "text": "Is what you're doing sort of reflect going below that and having it more like 1% or something like that?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 6607.581, "end": 6607.985, "text": "Similar.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 6608.033, "end": 6620.968, "text": "I mean, so we didn't select any specific value, but as we shared the reference, the reference does have a range of 1.5% to 2% to 2.5% and then has a social cost of carbon for each of those discount rates.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 6621.841, "end": 6629.158, "text": "And I believe it's the Thank you.", "speaker": "Vin Mason" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 6629.855, "end": 6648.489, "text": "By the way, just, uh, I have to let people know that using a 3% discount rate, which the Obama administration was using, and assuming the cost of human life is $10 million, which is what the US government currently says, under the Obama discount rate, um, an event causing the extinction of all human life 500 years from now would have been valued at $29 billion.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 6648.537, "end": 6648.828, "text": "That's a lot of money.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 6649.5, "end": 6653.463, "text": "Meaning it would be considered economically inefficient to spend $30 billion to prevent that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 6653.835, "end": 6658.106, "text": "And so that's the impact of these various— using different discount rates.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 6658.736, "end": 6659.01, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 6660.426, "end": 6664.934, "text": "Good to know we've got some of that expertise on council we can tap.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 6668.517, "end": 6671.439, "text": "Yeah, you guys can rattle off with that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 6673.192, "end": 6673.711, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 6674.572, "end": 6676.373, "text": "I don't see any other folks in the queue.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 6676.519, "end": 6682.747, "text": "We've got about 6 more minutes if there are folks that I want to hop in, um, and I can also make a couple of quick comments.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 6683.373, "end": 6697.733, "text": "Um, yeah, ultimately I think where we're at is we, uh, did file the legislation at noon today so that it will be in on, um, during our October 20th meeting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 6698.392, "end": 6711.295, "text": "Um, I have informed you all about certain changes that we have made in recent weeks due to some, um, I think the biggest areas around alternative compliance pathways were what we've been workshopping.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 6712.754, "end": 6717.164, "text": "And then ultimately, yeah, I'm looking forward to bringing that in 2 weeks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 6717.404, "end": 6725.743, "text": "I think that what I'm— what I've heard of the conversation here, I guess I would just ask if councilors have further questions, come chat with me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 6725.823, "end": 6731.275, "text": "If there are other concerns that might require a technical adjustment, I'm open to that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 6731.355, "end": 6738.238, "text": "And that's that's obviously something we can do to bring it back on the 20th if we need to make any further amendments.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 6740.24, "end": 6751.853, "text": "I think that— and you kind of spoke to it, Councilor Novick— obviously there are lots of different questions that have come in that, you know, some of them are technical and some of them are policy differences that we're just not going to agree on.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 6752.674, "end": 6766.528, "text": "And so I'm thankful, though, to the partners that I've been working with, and I've been very transparent with them about where I'm at, where I thought there were technical issues and where there were policy disagreements, including wanting an exemption of higher education, to which I don't agree.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 6767.073, "end": 6774.226, "text": "And I've stated that pretty clearly, and I've shared my reasoning and have made a bunch of adjustments to address the concerns that have been brought.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 6775.028, "end": 6780.689, "text": "But I think those are the ongoing questions that we have as we continue this, and we'll bring it on the 20th.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 6781.459, "end": 6782.501, "text": "I see that I've got Rajiv.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 6782.565, "end": 6785.259, "text": "Did you want to make a comment on something I said?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 6786.699, "end": 6790.471, "text": "I did, Councilmember Avalos, and apologies if I'm butchering your last name.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 6791.26, "end": 6802.03, "text": "What I just wanted to say was your comment about— I think I heard you say like potential adjustments or refinements to the alternative compliance pathways in the ordinance.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 6802.499, "end": 6815.854, "text": "One thing I did not mention is with most BPSs, we have undertaken a federal project To standardize a framework for alternative compliance pathways.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 6816.512, "end": 6832.064, "text": "And should— this project is a specific nod to— for a building owner who has— who manages large portfolios across multiple jurisdictions that have to comply with a web of BPS requirements.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 6832.722, "end": 6836.686, "text": "Each BPS has a different ACP option.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 6836.766, "end": 6851.401, "text": "So To try and standardize that and make things easier to comply for the building owner as well as make it more administratively feasible for the jurisdiction, we've developed a model framework for ACPs as well as regulations.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 6851.449, "end": 6856.455, "text": "So this is more of like a direct nod to you and to Vin.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 6857.033, "end": 6864.879, "text": "If there is more guidance or updates or refinements to the ACPs, IMT is more than happy to provide additional technical expertise.", "speaker": "Rajeev Ravalapati" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 6867.518, "end": 6876.73, "text": "Thank you so much for, uh, having your services available to us, and we definitely will be reaching out.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 6877.652, "end": 6879.125, "text": "Um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, last word.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 6879.773, "end": 6880.614, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 6881.229, "end": 6885.407, "text": "It sounds like you are hoping to move this pretty quickly through committee.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 6886.171, "end": 6902.593, "text": "I know that you have had a lot of conversations, but for at least me, and I, I'm I'm assuming others at the dais, we're getting a lot of incoming from groups who are raising concerns, and we haven't been a part of that workshopping or those conversations.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 6902.641, "end": 6911.376, "text": "That hasn't been done in a public, in this sort of way, setting, though I know you invited people to your workshop with me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 6912.821, "end": 6916.45, "text": "Are you planning to try to move this quickly that same day?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 6916.61, "end": 6916.755, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 6917.493, "end": 6920.909, "text": "Are you planning on this committee spending some time getting the details right?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 6921.647, "end": 6937.03, "text": "And are you going to share with us transparently where you have made policy decisions so that we as a group of 5 can make sure that we understand those policy decisions and have the opportunity to weigh in on them as we move this policy forward?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 6938.088, "end": 6943.991, "text": "Well, like any councilor who introduces legislation, of course, the goal is to share with you exactly the policy decisions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 6944.039, "end": 6944.857, "text": "This is policymaking.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 6945.242, "end": 6946.718, "text": "So yes, I will plan to do that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 6947.633, "end": 6950.296, "text": "As far as what the outcome will be, I have not determined one.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 6950.457, "end": 6951.788, "text": "It is scheduled for the 20th.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 6951.965, "end": 6954.435, "text": "It's moving through the legislative process like everything else does.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 6954.804, "end": 6959.072, "text": "If there are concerns that are raised that require a pause, I'd be welcome to that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 6959.2, "end": 6964.864, "text": "I have not heard any that require me to pause, so I feel like I've addressed everything I needed to address.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 6964.96, "end": 6972.164, "text": "It's my policy, of course, but you all have your prerogative as councilors if you hear other concerns or you have questions or have proposed amendments.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 6972.597, "end": 6974.843, "text": "That is part of the legislative process that we all follow.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 6974.923, "end": 6978.116, "text": "So I don't see that being any different than what is already offered.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 6978.517, "end": 6982.544, "text": "So unless there's something specific different that you're looking for, that's the process I'm planning to take.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 6983.523, "end": 6987.999, "text": "I think I'm hoping to hear that we'll have time for that process in committee that day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 6989.026, "end": 6990.181, "text": "Well, I guess it just depends.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 6990.245, "end": 6992.186, "text": "I don't know what people want to change, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 6992.25, "end": 7001.271, "text": "As far as I'm concerned, right, we have this meeting, we have— we've been engaging with stakeholders If there are things that you think require more time, I have not heard of those things, so I'm open to that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 7001.544, "end": 7009.829, "text": "But I don't— I'm not going to give you a determination on what we're going to do on the 20th until I know if there are some kind of changes that are going to be astronomical that will require more time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 7010.07, "end": 7012.655, "text": "So again, that is what the legislative process demands.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 7012.719, "end": 7014.132, "text": "I don't think I'm doing anything differently.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 7014.421, "end": 7017.681, "text": "If you're asking a request for more time, please reach out to my office.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 7017.761, "end": 7019.704, "text": "I'd love to hear what things you think deserve more time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 7020.828, "end": 7021.807, "text": "Is that understood?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 7024.315, "end": 7024.653, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 7024.766, "end": 7027.137, "text": "Okay, we're going to go ahead and take a break for 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 7027.202, "end": 7027.782, "text": "It is 3:50.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 7027.831, "end": 7028.589, "text": "I'll see you at 4.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 7029.508, "end": 7030.282, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 7760.354, "end": 7768.236, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 7769.022, "end": 7774.156, "text": "We are going to return at 4:02, 4:03.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 7775.424, "end": 7777.301, "text": "Diego, go ahead and please call item 2.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 7778.167, "end": 7794.323, "text": "Item 2, document number 2026-346, amend property tax exemption for low-income housing held by nonprofit organizations code to extend the sunset date, replace code chapter 3.101.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 7794.42, "end": 7806.414, "text": "All right, so the Nonprofit Low-Income Housing Limited Tax Exemption provides a property tax exemption for low-income nonprofit housing providers that develop and preserve affordable housing units.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 7806.799, "end": 7812.965, "text": "The city needs to update current code to align with state law in order to continue providing this property tax exemption.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 7813.077, "end": 7816.867, "text": "So I will go ahead and hand it off to PHB staff to tell us more.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 7821.144, "end": 7821.822, "text": "Take it away.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 7823.113, "end": 7829.549, "text": "One second, sorry, got my computer was about to die on me.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 7835.343, "end": 7860.45, "text": "Um, Okay, okay, maybe I can get it.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 7861.306, "end": 7865.022, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 7865.345, "end": 7867.734, "text": "Do you got it in there?", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7868.453, "end": 7868.959, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7879.569, "end": 7891.127, "text": "Okay, wrong one.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7893.73, "end": 7898.609, "text": "I did, I'm in there, I just need to Get it to come up here.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 7898.755, "end": 7900.954, "text": "Are we having technical difficulties or what's going on?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 7901.164, "end": 7906.37, "text": "No, I just— computer was on the— I had to do everything all the way over.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 7906.434, "end": 7909.946, "text": "Sorry, because it was all shutting down.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 7911.187, "end": 7911.573, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 7914.115, "end": 7916.53, "text": "And let's get this in here.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 7916.773, "end": 7918.962, "text": "One second.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 7919.464, "end": 7920.307, "text": "Uh, there we are.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 7926.92, "end": 7937.136, "text": "Okay, now I know, like, um, okay, we'll get to—.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 7937.169, "end": 7938.195, "text": "We'll get through this.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 7939.792, "end": 7942.652, "text": "All right, good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 7942.765, "end": 7943.825, "text": "My name is Queesha Light.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 7943.89, "end": 7953.756, "text": "I'm the interim director of the Portland Housing Bureau, and today, um, as noted, we are We are here to talk with you about the nonprofit limited tax exemption, or NPLTE.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 7954.97, "end": 7964.643, "text": "We are bringing forward a rather simple request and change to essentially align with changes that were made in state code.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 7965.786, "end": 7989.035, "text": "And I just wanted to say that the NPLTE has been a very significant way and a significant incentive for our affordable housing providers to be able to provide housing and maintain their operating costs within certain limits that keep housing affordable.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 7989.648, "end": 7997.976, "text": "And Dori's going to walk you through just an overview of the program and the ask that we have in front of you today.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 7998.203, "end": 7998.591, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 8002.911, "end": 8003.493, "text": "Good afternoon.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 8003.558, "end": 8013.067, "text": "My name is Dori Hellier, and I manage The development incentives programs with the Housing Bureau, including the Nonprofit Limited Tax Exemption Program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 8014.48, "end": 8029.069, "text": "The city first adopted the program in 1985, and the Housing Bureau administers the program for the City of Portland according to the state requirements, and that supports the operation, preservation, and development of affordable housing.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 8029.584, "end": 8040.891, "text": "The program provides a property tax exemption including both the land and building values for Portland properties operated by eligible nonprofit low-income housing providers.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 8041.644, "end": 8054.191, "text": "Only the portion of the property serving tenants earning up to 60% of median income at the time of move-in, or 80% of median income in subsequent years, are eligible for the exemption.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 8055.184, "end": 8064.036, "text": "Mixed-income buildings may still be partially taxable, and commercial spaces spaces are generally not included in the exemption as well.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 8064.747, "end": 8072.261, "text": "Um, the program allows the exemption of taxes for property being held for, um, future development of low-income housing as well.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 8076.189, "end": 8087.063, "text": "The Nonprofit Limited Tax Exemption Program requires an annual certification from eligible nonprofits updating the property and individual units that are eligible for the program each year.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 8087.31, "end": 8095.091, "text": "And the Housing Bureau reviews these submissions and works with Multnomah County to apply the exemptions to each property account annually.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 8096.166, "end": 8103.915, "text": "The exemption remains available on an ongoing basis as long as the state, city, and county continue to approve the program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 8104.252, "end": 8115.447, "text": "And compared to other exemption programs like the multiple unit limited tax exemption, which is limited in state statute to 10 consecutive years, For the current tax year—.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 8115.896, "end": 8118.46, "text": "Let me go on to the next one.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 8118.701, "end": 8119.101, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 8119.406, "end": 8120.191, "text": "Oh no, sorry.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 8120.928, "end": 8129.966, "text": "For the, for the current tax year, um, 67 different nonprofit housing providers operating over 700 properties are benefiting from the exemption.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 8130.719, "end": 8137.979, "text": "The exemption supports more than 17,000 rental homes of all types, from studio apartments to single-family homes.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 8138.733, "end": 8147.201, "text": "The program benefits both Housing Bureau-funded projects as well as those projects not receiving funding from the city but are otherwise restricted.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 8147.972, "end": 8160.956, "text": "Projects only regulated by the Housing Bureau and not operated by nonprofit housing providers, such as those taking part in the city's Inclusionary Housing Program, generally receive a property tax exemption through the 10-year multi-program instead.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 8161.952, "end": 8169.245, "text": "Projects operated by Home Forward benefit from another property tax exemption program that is specifically for housing authorities.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 8169.986, "end": 8177.785, "text": "And with that, still over 75% of the PHB-regulated projects benefit from the nonprofit limited tax exemption program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 8178.48, "end": 8183.766, "text": "The program is an essential component to keeping families and individuals in their homes.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 8187.767, "end": 8197.72, "text": "So as mentioned before, the state extended the sunset for the nonprofit limited tax tax exemption program to July 1st, 2033 through House Bill 2077.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 8198.378, "end": 8207.242, "text": "The program currently is approved in city code through January 1st, 2027, and continuing the approval of the program is vital.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 8207.306, "end": 8215.559, "text": "Without it, existing low-income housing will be in jeopardy, and it will impact the financing of both preservation and new construction projects.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 8217.887, "end": 8236.06, "text": "This code amendment allows the nonprofit limited tax exemption program to continue by referring directly to the sunset date in state statute rather than stating a specific date, and meaning that the program can continue seamlessly as long as it is approved at the state level.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 8236.542, "end": 8244.719, "text": "The code change also clarifies the purpose, procedures, and implementation of the program, making it consistent with other tax tax exemption code sections.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 8245.869, "end": 8261.862, "text": "The County Commission also needs to approve the continued administration of the program after council approval, and we are coming now because we are seeking to have these approvals in place before the expiration of the program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 8262.901, "end": 8270.989, "text": "Applications for this next tax year are due in early in the first quarter of 2027.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 8274.081, "end": 8277.141, "text": "And that, uh, is our presentation.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 8277.447, "end": 8278.575, "text": "We're happy to take questions.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 8281.205, "end": 8281.479, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 8281.527, "end": 8283.123, "text": "I believe we have some public testimony.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 8283.22, "end": 8286.508, "text": "Yes, so let's do that and then we'll come back and take questions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 8288.519, "end": 8290.641, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 8291.011, "end": 8293.327, "text": "Go ahead and, Diego, call up our testifiers.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 8294.147, "end": 8302.207, "text": "We have one individual signed up Neil Whitaker.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 8306.437, "end": 8310.744, "text": "Respected members of the council, the Housing Committee, my name is Neil Whitaker.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 8312.74, "end": 8324.431, "text": "I hope council saw the ProPublica article out about the financial ethics violation by the director of our state housing agency, because this is not what I'm bringing you today is not entirely unrelated to that.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 8326.449, "end": 8335.572, "text": "You do have a vote coming up on extending the NPLT an additional 6 years, but I think the information PHB has just provided is at least a bit inadequate for you to make an informed vote.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 8337.227, "end": 8342.128, "text": "PHB doesn't really show you that there, there are 2 distinctively different ways to qualify for this.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 8342.242, "end": 8347.911, "text": "So we have nonprofits qualifying, and then what they didn't mention was that we also have for-profit that qualify.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 8349.103, "end": 8356.075, "text": "And the data is unfortunately commingled, and I've been asking them for several months to separate out what the total dollar amount is for for-profits.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 8356.123, "end": 8359.987, "text": "So we have for-profit entities qualifying for a nonprofit property tax exemption.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 8360.085, "end": 8360.853, "text": "So how do they do that?", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 8362.299, "end": 8369.93, "text": "This is— it's in letter and intent, it's for entities that operate entirely within the 501 nonprofit tax arena in order to get this tax break.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 8370.028, "end": 8375.676, "text": "So the city has kind of behind the scenes, they're giving it to a long list of nonprofits.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 8375.725, "end": 8386.532, "text": "I think you should have the number of the for-profit entities that are getting this tax break and the total dollar amount and see if you want to parse that or, or not, because it isn't really accurate.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 8386.612, "end": 8389.916, "text": "It's fine if you want to give it to all low-income providers, but that's not the name.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 8390.14, "end": 8393.107, "text": "It's, it's named nonprofit low-income.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 8393.973, "end": 8400.131, "text": "So these for-profit owners of low-income also get the entire long list of government funding sources and emergency bailouts as well.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 8400.788, "end": 8404.059, "text": "They don't have to operate within the wider 501-type restrictions.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 8404.412, "end": 8409.411, "text": "And that is unfair to nonprofits who have to line all that other stuff up to get the exemption.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 8410.004, "end": 8413.353, "text": "And we have a compounded problem with our 60% AMI rents.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 8413.401, "end": 8416.205, "text": "Our certified low-income rents are equal to market rate.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 8416.67, "end": 8420.483, "text": "So now we've also made this unfair to the for-profit providers.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 8420.596, "end": 8424.009, "text": "We've— I can't tell if you're coming or going with this tax policy.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 8424.666, "end": 8433.451, "text": "So if I was an owner of a market-rate complex in Portland right now who was already accidentally naturally providing certifiable low-income rents.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 8433.563, "end": 8447.482, "text": "I would just do what these essentially hedge funds are doing and tack on your tiny 501 at 1/200th of property ownership and get out of my $100,000 a year annual property taxes.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 8447.868, "end": 8455.574, "text": "So this is, to me, this looks really outdated, really flimsy, and deceptive to the public because I can't really tell who you're trying to benefit here.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 8456.28, "end": 8465.383, "text": "And I just think you should have the number of properties that are doing the token 501, the for-profits that are getting this, that number—.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 8466.154, "end": 8466.812, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 8467.213, "end": 8468.642, "text": "You still have time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 8469.06, "end": 8470.103, "text": "You've got 30 seconds.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 8470.248, "end": 8470.585, "text": "What's that?", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 8470.809, "end": 8471.837, "text": "You still have 30 seconds.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 8471.965, "end": 8479.334, "text": "Oh, so you should separate out the for-profits because they didn't really mention that there's a way that for-profits qualify, and it's not the same.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 8479.479, "end": 8482.77, "text": "This isn't an equivalent journey to get this tax break.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 8483.252, "end": 8484.279, "text": "You just need 2 numbers.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 8484.633, "end": 8490.398, "text": "And then you can make an informed decision how many properties and the total dollar amount that the for-profits are getting.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 8490.736, "end": 8492.62, "text": "I've been asking them for that for 6 months.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 8492.685, "end": 8494.531, "text": "I don't know why that was such a difficult—.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 8495.132, "end": 8495.332, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 8498.311, "end": 8498.801, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 8500.19, "end": 8501.154, "text": "That concludes testimony.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 8502.496, "end": 8508.448, "text": "Okay, um, let's go ahead and bring Housing Bureau back up for questions and comments from committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 8510.455, "end": 8515.331, "text": "Um, Maybe I'll start by saying, what is your reaction to that testimony?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 8515.508, "end": 8522.784, "text": "Because sounds like there's a question here of, um, whether there's a loophole, and I'm curious your reaction.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 8525.623, "end": 8545.187, "text": "So the reality is what we have is— I think what Mr. Whitaker is getting to, the MPLTE application doesn't require, or, or that the code doesn't say that we regulate a certain percentage of partnership.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 8546.076, "end": 8553.095, "text": "It just says general partner, and the nonprofit has to be a general partner, and they have to operate the day-to-day responsibilities.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 8553.687, "end": 8553.994, "text": "That's it.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 8554.916, "end": 8558.605, "text": "It, it doesn't tell us to manage at a certain percentage level.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 8560.677, "end": 8576.765, "text": "Um, and so we I think his concern is that you could potentially have a for-profit and a nonprofit partner, and the non— you know, there's a small percentage that the nonprofit is a partnership.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 8576.941, "end": 8583.431, "text": "But that's not what we are required to regulate or, um, uh, I mean, or, or speak to in any way.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 8583.591, "end": 8590.257, "text": "That is, if they meet the requirements, they meet the eligibility, then they are entitled to the incentive.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 8590.305, "end": 8590.449, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Neil Whitaker" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 8591.477, "end": 8600.235, "text": "And we have— and I would say the other thing is this: much affordable housing being built is being built because of partnerships.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 8602.203, "end": 8610.277, "text": "And so that incentive is there to continue to encourage those partnerships so that the affordable housing that we need gets built.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 8612.507, "end": 8615.524, "text": "But I'll let you know if there's anything else you want to add.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 8616.332, "end": 8637.55, "text": "Sure, I, um, I could also add just that the limited partnership structure is a, um, construct of the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, um, program and how the majority of nonprofit-sponsored affordable housing across the country, let alone locally, is funded.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 8638.064, "end": 8650.202, "text": "And so those partnerships themselves are not something that I don't think that we are seeing being put together strictly for the purpose of evading guidelines for the tax exemption program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 8650.346, "end": 8664.579, "text": "There are layers and layers of legal requirements and lawyers and funders and others looking at all of those documents as projects are financed and brought to fruition.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 8665.557, "end": 8686.405, "text": "We do evaluate all of the corporate articles for every single application that is submitted and ensure that there is indeed a connection by an eligible nonprofit organization to the, the project, as is shown through a limited partnership agreement as one example.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 8688.913, "end": 8690.328, "text": "And might I add just one more thing?", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 8690.602, "end": 8709.046, "text": "I think if the nonprofit's role is substantive, and then that is they are doing the general day-to-day work And they are actually supporting, you know, low-income housing and residents, then the requirements for the exemption are met.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 8710.444, "end": 8714.688, "text": "And I think that is, you know, we need to actually have to look at those questions.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 8714.88, "end": 8717.275, "text": "That, that, that to me is the accountability question.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 8720.038, "end": 8725.295, "text": "Okay, thanks for— I don't— I put you on the spot, but just figured let's get it out of the way and just see what's going on there.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 8726.306, "end": 8727.292, "text": "Vice Chair Green.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 8728.568, "end": 8729.036, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 8729.117, "end": 8733.673, "text": "I was also getting in the queue to ask questions about this testimony that we heard.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 8735.26, "end": 8741.37, "text": "Just to go a little further, so ORS, I think it's 307—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 8741.71, "end": 8744.752, "text": "Well, it's 307.540.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 8745.205, "end": 8745.529, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 8746.662, "end": 8749.291, "text": "That defines the state-level program, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 8749.909, "end": 8750.137, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 8750.397, "end": 8753.238, "text": "And it defines what what, you know, eligibility it looks like.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 8753.8, "end": 8758.987, "text": "But then we also have code that clarifies and creates the program at the local level.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 8760.224, "end": 8776.218, "text": "I guess the question I'm asking for is, are we bound by a certain interpretation by state law, or are we in city code saying, you know, a partnership is treated the same as a corporation, so on and so forth?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 8776.282, "end": 8778.578, "text": "And do we not have regulatory—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 8778.675, "end": 8778.835, "text": "I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 8778.948, "end": 8781.385, "text": "Do you have any authority to go further and maybe address this question?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 8784.676, "end": 8804.067, "text": "We do, in our code that we're proposing, refer back to the guidelines as they are required at the state level for consistency across all of the other funding sources and programs that also designate limited partnership agreements in that same way.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 8804.688, "end": 8809.461, "text": "So as not to interfere with funding of new projects.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 8811.485, "end": 8825.266, "text": "So legally, the question is we can always add more detail to our code if we can demonstrate what the need is and why we're doing that and what the context and what the outcomes would be.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 8826.12, "end": 8827.112, "text": "Yeah, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 8828.204, "end": 8837.837, "text": "Because I think for me, if the letter and intent of this is is to make sure that it's not for-profit firms that get a nonprofit tax exemption.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 8839.435, "end": 8848.74, "text": "Although I understand that if it's some nonprofit that manages the thing on a day-to-day basis and delivers the thing, but how do we know?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 8851.2, "end": 8864.331, "text": "Like, how do we know that just by having some sort of nonprofit in a portfolio So we're not skirting that and just providing a tax exemption for a for-profit entity?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 8865.134, "end": 8866.13, "text": "Do we have any way of verifying that?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 8866.178, "end": 8883.526, "text": "I mean, we, we do know that in properties that we have direct financing in, that the— and we can assume through the limited partnership agreements that it's the same for other properties— that the nonprofit is the one responsible for repayment of the loan.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 8884.297, "end": 8888.217, "text": "The nonprofit is the one that's on the hook for the operation of these properties.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 8889.037, "end": 8906.776, "text": "With the limited partnership agreement through the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit program, the corporation or the entity that is the for-profit one is benefiting by getting the low— the, the federal tax benefits to put money into the project.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 8907.451, "end": 8909.797, "text": "So that's the benefit that they're already receiving.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 8909.862, "end": 8917.721, "text": "The actual property tax exemption is a applying to keeping the operation of that particular building in, in place.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 8918.042, "end": 8928.545, "text": "And so that's the way that we're evaluating the benefit of the exemption directly, you know, being for the nonprofit agency providing the low-income housing.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 8929.97, "end": 8930.196, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 8933.514, "end": 8933.838, "text": "Do we—.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 8934.809, "end": 8942.238, "text": "I guess my next question would be, do we have, do we have the data to parse Is that the thing that Mr. Whitaker has asked for us to parse?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 8943.072, "end": 8952.633, "text": "We don't try— with over, you know, that many units and that many properties, when we do evaluate, we do evaluate each and every ownership entity.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 8953.483, "end": 8963.814, "text": "But in our current tracking system, we don't designate beyond whether it's a limited partnership or an LLC or a property owned directly.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 8964.328, "end": 8969.344, "text": "So we don't go to the percentage of ownership or that sort of thing.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 8969.409, "end": 8971.543, "text": "We just don't have that within our current records.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 8974.178, "end": 8981.649, "text": "But you do have some level of understanding of what the partnerships look like?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 8982.63, "end": 8983.403, "text": "We do look at those.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 8983.58, "end": 8986.407, "text": "Staff does look at every single partnership agreement, yes.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 8986.828, "end": 8989.057, "text": "Well, we would be able to get that information?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 8989.412, "end": 8997.646, "text": "We would have to go back through every single application and weed through the exact percentage of ownership for every single one.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 9002.667, "end": 9003.055, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 9004.025, "end": 9008.391, "text": "And you don't— that's just not work that the bureau has done to date, is that what—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 9008.391, "end": 9009.781, "text": "It's not something we track.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 9010.024, "end": 9023.427, "text": "Again, we do look at it with every single application that we evaluate, but it's not something that we then record in a spreadsheet somewhere to say exactly what the percentage of ownership is for each property or ownership entity.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 9024.037, "end": 9029.577, "text": "Okay, so that's— it's not processed data that could be furnished in a timely fashion?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 9029.785, "end": 9033.671, "text": "Yeah, it's not a benchmark that's part of qualification for the program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 9033.751, "end": 9046.511, "text": "It's strictly that there is a legal connection in the way as described in statute for the nonprofit organization to be a qualified okay.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 9050.692, "end": 9055.075, "text": "Uh, Director Light, how long would it take to, to furnish that, to build that data?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 9058.25, "end": 9071.98, "text": "The capacity for the team to go back through that at this time, and actually I think that's, that's just, that's going to take some months given everything else that's happening right now.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 9074.986, "end": 9107.81, "text": "And I would really— I just want to make sure we're separating out what we're trying to do today to keep this exemption moving forward for those that need it to operate, and this question of, you know, do we need— of evaluating this issue, I think, are two— I just want to make sure we're separating those and keeping those very distinct because I think council can certainly legislate further around this issue, but to keep this exemption available to those that do need it to operate is, is really critical.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 9109.28, "end": 9116.608, "text": "So, um, for us to do that, like I said, that's, that's going to take some months for my team to go back through all the documents to do that.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 9117.634, "end": 9118.231, "text": "Okay, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 9118.28, "end": 9126.711, "text": "So, and you said earlier that this needs to be approved before the end of the year for folks to sort of go into the next tax year?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 9127.626, "end": 9128.606, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 9128.991, "end": 9134.996, "text": "And there's nothing to prevent us from adopting code to regulate our forward-looking actions?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 9135.591, "end": 9135.735, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 9135.992, "end": 9147.874, "text": "I mean, that would be something, you know, of course we'd have city attorneys tell you exactly where we could go with that and vet it, but there's nothing that keeps council from looking at adopting other eligibility requirements.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 9148.902, "end": 9169.904, "text": "We would just ask that for today that that would be separated so we're not impacting those that do need it, because the reality is, um, they're— given the challenges that our affordable housing projects and units are facing right now, to take this away from some of them at a time when they're already struggling would not be a good thing.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 9171.537, "end": 9173.429, "text": "Okay, thank you for entertaining my questions.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 9173.963, "end": 9174.448, "text": "No, thank you.", "speaker": "Queesha Light" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 9175.095, "end": 9175.839, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 9176.89, "end": 9177.382, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 9177.448, "end": 9185.027, "text": "I have 3 kind of separate questions, but I think I'll start with I'll start with the third because it goes down this path that Councilor Green was asking about.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 9185.608, "end": 9208.205, "text": "I heard you say in your response to the gentleman who gave testimony and in your response to Councilor Green that the operating practice is generally that the nonprofit partner is the one who is running the property, running the building, and that the for-profit partners are investors in that property.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 9208.866, "end": 9220.828, "text": "And I, I understand that if we were to ask for some sort of split in the future, right, a certain percent has to be owned by the nonprofit, that that could create challenges.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 9220.942, "end": 9221.771, "text": "Where is that line?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 9221.836, "end": 9222.746, "text": "What does that look like?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 9225.834, "end": 9235.094, "text": "Would conceptually— and I'm not proposing this, and to be clear, I'm not proposing that we do this today, but it sounds like Councilor Green may walk down this path further in the future.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 9238.089, "end": 9249.675, "text": "Would there be a challenge if we were to say that this program was available to housing where the primary operating partner is a nonprofit entity?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 9251.824, "end": 9255.088, "text": "If we looked not at the dollars in, but at the roles.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 9256.693, "end": 9259.834, "text": "Should I take that away from what you said previously, or is that— No, I think that's a fair point.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 9261.324, "end": 9265.125, "text": "Is that using too blunt an instrument to parse this?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 9265.815, "end": 9269.262, "text": "I'm not sure, Councilor, what effect that actually would have.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 9269.343, "end": 9278.692, "text": "I mean, it's obviously something we'd need to look at, the specificity of the legal language and who that would include or exclude.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 9279.189, "end": 9288.344, "text": "But ultimately, already we do have— it is limited only to nonprofit organizations that meet the few benchmarks, right?", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 9288.505, "end": 9302.958, "text": "And, and that is either they own the property outright, they are, um, have a leasehold interest in the property, or they are a general partnership of a limited partnership that then does operate the property.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 9303.407, "end": 9306.371, "text": "So that is some— those benchmarks are already there.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 9307.477, "end": 9317.206, "text": "It sounded like that third piece was maybe the question, and there was a question around how large a partner they were in that limited partnership.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 9317.27, "end": 9331.351, "text": "And I think I'm, I'm trying to understand if there's an easy way to parse the difference between a, a small financial partner and the operating partner while you have many other partners who are in as investing partners.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 9331.447, "end": 9334.061, "text": "And it may be that this requires more conversation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 9334.334, "end": 9344.666, "text": "I'm comfortable moving forward today and coming back to this, but I wanted to ask that question while we were I can clarify at least that part of our review of those operating agreements is—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 9345.565, "end": 9356.623, "text": "It's different in every single one, but we do look for the language that clarifies that the tax responsibility is borne on the nonprofit agency.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 9356.8, "end": 9357.586, "text": "That's one of them.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 9358.019, "end": 9377.975, "text": "We also look at they are responsible for the financial performance of the day-to-day operations and and so there it is said differently in every single agreement, but that's the general outcomes that we do verify in those documents so that the nonprofit is the one who's legally responsible for those things.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 9379.035, "end": 9382.358, "text": "Okay, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 9383.209, "end": 9384.654, "text": "I'd like to understand this more later.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 9384.735, "end": 9389.921, "text": "I don't think I need to take the time today, but I do think that there are more questions that we should be asking about this.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 9391.238, "end": 9406.615, "text": "In the presentation that you gave, I'm trying to find the number here, you had a slide that said of the 700 properties, 253 have a single low-income unit, 349 have 2 or more, and then almost 100 are vacant.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 9407.627, "end": 9425.449, "text": "Are those properties with a single low-income unit single-family homes, or are those— okay, so these are not properties with mostly market-rate units and 1 or 2 or 3 rent single low-income units.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 9425.514, "end": 9434.389, "text": "These are properties that are single-family homes, duplexes, smaller properties than, than our larger apartment buildings.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 9434.92, "end": 9435.098, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 9435.242, "end": 9441.492, "text": "We have properties that are for 1 family and we have some that have several hundred units in them.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 9441.753, "end": 9441.818, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 9442.339, "end": 9442.404, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Quinton Zondervan" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 9443.015, "end": 9446.816, "text": "The way it was worded, it sounded like it could be a single unit in a larger building.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 9446.881, "end": 9448.363, "text": "I wanted the chance to clarify that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 9448.508, "end": 9448.83, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 9450.022, "end": 9467.045, "text": "And my final question is that you talked in the presentation about the program itself, and you talked about needing this legislation to extend the date and make sure that we don't have to worry about changes every time the state makes a change.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 9467.093, "end": 9467.627, "text": "That makes sense to me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 9467.708, "end": 9467.935, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 9468.062, "end": 9468.384, "text": "To me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 9468.868, "end": 9479.854, "text": "But when I look at the actual code in Exhibit A, which would replace 3.101 that's currently in code on the books, it looks like a complete rewrite.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 9481.808, "end": 9484.465, "text": "And it has many of the same elements, but it's a complete rewrite.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 9484.545, "end": 9492.402, "text": "And I have not been working in this policy area long enough to know if that complete rewrite is making any other substantive changes or not.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 9492.89, "end": 9509.254, "text": "So can you spend just a minute or two walking us through what changes there are that we should make sure that we know about or that folks watching know about, since this is a complete rewrite of that section of code.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 9509.768, "end": 9512.255, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councilor.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 9513.298, "end": 9522.109, "text": "The reason for rewriting it is that the code was— has not been updated in any substantive way for many, many, many, many years.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 9522.606, "end": 9530.56, "text": "And we have learned over the years that in this particular code, it's essentially parroting the state statute.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 9530.641, "end": 9537.552, "text": "There are no additional policies or requirements really that are being outlined in the code.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 9538.018, "end": 9564.827, "text": "And so in order to reduce the potential for inconsistencies between city code and statute, City Attorney's Office has advised it's easier and more straightforward to refer directly to the statutory sections that we are using to implement the program so that we don't have any conflict with how we operate the program at the local level.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 9566.395, "end": 9588.753, "text": "I understand that piece of it, and on things like eligible organizations referring directly to the ORS, um, It looks like it's more substantive than that, and there are pieces in here that have a lot more language than that, exemptions that don't refer to ORS at all.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 9589.46, "end": 9591.773, "text": "And there are pieces in the code now that are dropped.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 9591.822, "end": 9599.871, "text": "So are the pieces in— is the rewrite more aligned with state code than what we have on the books right now?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 9600.225, "end": 9606.706, "text": "And if So what provisions, if any, are we losing when we move to being more aligned with state code?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 9607.39, "end": 9611.431, "text": "Help me understand with something that is different.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 9611.706, "end": 9612.337, "text": "Yeah, it's actually—.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 9612.353, "end": 9613.856, "text": "What the impact on the ground is.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 9614.616, "end": 9614.778, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Tarren Evans" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 9614.923, "end": 9619.57, "text": "Actually, it's, it's not in an alignment to change any way that we operate the program.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 9620.166, "end": 9626.397, "text": "But as an example, the current code refers to things that are included in the application, for instance.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 9626.558, "end": 9638.584, "text": "And so that's restating things that are already stated in statute, and so it's not necessary for that level of detail to live within the code.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 9639.162, "end": 9647.768, "text": "And if we wanted to even describe something further beyond what's in statute or code, it's something that could live in administrative rules, for instance.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 9648.25, "end": 9657.242, "text": "And so it makes it for a much tighter process to just say, you know, we— the application requirements of statute and anything else that the city may require.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 9657.884, "end": 9666.844, "text": "Functionally, this moves more authority out of code and to the bureau to define some of those things by rule.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 9667.036, "end": 9678.366, "text": "It gives you a little bit more space to update the application without having to come back to us to have that changed in code, along with better aligning us to state code.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 9678.592, "end": 9679.093, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Dori Hellier" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 9679.336, "end": 9689.527, "text": "I think that's important to note because we, we need to know that we are, in moving this forward, giving you all more authority to run this program without having to go through us every time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 9691.055, "end": 9691.734, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 9691.883, "end": 9692.462, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 9695.54, "end": 9703.72, "text": "All right, seeing as no one else is in the queue and for time, because we have another time-sensitive item we must get done before 5, let's go ahead and move forward.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 9704.22, "end": 9711.69, "text": "I'd like to entertain a motion to move the ordinance document number 2026-346 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 9711.802, "end": 9712.334, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 9713.155, "end": 9714.118, "text": "Moved by Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 9714.735, "end": 9715.153, "text": "Do I have a second?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 9718.373, "end": 9719.087, "text": "Seconded by me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 9720.547, "end": 9723.078, "text": "Um, clerk, please call the roll.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 9724.778, "end": 9725.069, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 9726.312, "end": 9726.474, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 9727.604, "end": 9728.056, "text": "Pirtle-Guiney?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 9731.719, "end": 9731.736, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 9734.97, "end": 9735.116, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 9735.763, "end": 9735.795, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 9738.771, "end": 9750.236, "text": "With 3 ayes and 2 nays, the motion to refer the ordinance document number 2026-346 to the full council with the recommendation it be passed is accepted.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 9751.097, "end": 9751.373, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 9751.503, "end": 9757.49, "text": "And a note to the public, it's clear that there is some further discussion, policy discussion, that will need to happen.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 9757.971, "end": 9761.801, "text": "Um, and so, uh, due to time, we need to move it out of committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 9762.057, "end": 9768.564, "text": "And so these are requests from administration and from Council President because these have to come onto the, uh, council agenda for next week.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 9768.66, "end": 9770.358, "text": "Same with this next one we're about to hear.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 9771.031, "end": 9774.493, "text": "Um, that is why I'm choosing— I chose to vote aye and move it forward.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 9774.957, "end": 9781.293, "text": "Um, but if there are, uh, amendments that need to get made, that can happen in the process at council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 9783.778, "end": 9786.821, "text": "Okay, with that, please item— please read item 3.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 9787.626, "end": 9802.528, "text": "Item 3, document number 2026-345, amend the Portland Zoning Code to bring it into compliance with Oregon state legislative bills passed in 2025 and 2026, amend Title 33.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 9803.927, "end": 9816.843, "text": "All right, so this ordinance amends Title 33 to the city's planning and zoning code to ensure that Portland's land use regulations are in compliance with various Oregon state legislative bills that were passed by the legislature in 2026 and 2027.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 9817.019, "end": 9818.912, "text": "So I will pass it off to staff to take it away.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 9819.554, "end": 9820.099, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 9820.34, "end": 9823.019, "text": "Good afternoon, uh, council committee members.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 9823.228, "end": 9830.944, "text": "I'm Morgan Tracy, senior planner with the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, here to present the Planning Commission's recommendation on the State Land Use Compliance Project.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 9831.586, "end": 9840.498, "text": "Uh, with me is Eric Engstrom, our bureau director, who you already know, and Erica Thompson from the Planning Commission will present additional remarks following this brief presentation.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 9843.27, "end": 9856.261, "text": "On June 23rd, the Planning Commission held a public hearing, received testimony from 3 individuals, discussed and deliberated, and ultimately recommended adopting the project report and amending the code to incorporate the proposals I will summarize for you today.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 9858.496, "end": 9868.248, "text": "So today I'll provide an overview and context for the state legislation included in this project scope cover the project timeline, review the 13 proposals, and then hand it over to Commissioner Thompson.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 9873.52, "end": 9883.06, "text": "So the project was initiated to update Portland zoning code to align with several state bills affecting housing and land use regulations passed in Oregon's 2025 and 2026 legislative sessions.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 9884.029, "end": 9891.104, "text": "While there were many bills that touched on these topics, many did not directly impact zoning regulations or the city is otherwise already in conformance with them.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 9892.193, "end": 9900.158, "text": "So the changes proposed with this project are necessary to ensure compliance and improve public understanding of how state rule changes will work together with Portland's zoning code.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 9901.231, "end": 9904.404, "text": "For a little context, the proposals respond to these 5 key bills.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 9905.382, "end": 9910.253, "text": "House Bill 2138 revises aspects of middle housing rules that the state passed in 2020.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 9911.247, "end": 9920.312, "text": "Senate Bill 974 and House Bill 4037 streamline procedures for certain types of residential development proposals by limiting notice and removing some hearing requirements.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 9921.516, "end": 9932.528, "text": "Senate Bill 1561 responds to challenges some faced when rebuilding their homes following the Labor Day fires in Detroit Lake by removing barriers to reconstruction when nonconforming dwellings are destroyed.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 9933.556, "end": 9941.229, "text": "And finally, House Bill 2005 recognizes the need for having more mental health treatment facilities by requiring cities to allow them outright in more zones.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 9945.514, "end": 9951.421, "text": "The project began in April and May with general informational meetings with stakeholders and advisory committees and commissions.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 9952.576, "end": 9959.092, "text": "We typically begin our projects with a public discussion draft phase to test our proposals and seek feedback for improvement.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 9959.702, "end": 9965.48, "text": "However, given the impending January 1st deadline for compliance, that more comprehensive engagement was not possible.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 9966.283, "end": 9973.586, "text": "Consequently, the project the project scope was limited to items necessary to comply with state law, and a proposed draft of those changes was published in May.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 9974.783, "end": 9979.634, "text": "The Planning Commission held their public hearing on June 23rd and voted to recommend council adopt these changes.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 9984.791, "end": 9988.64, "text": "This project contains 13 proposals separated into 3 categories.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 9989.319, "end": 9991.987, "text": "The first category addresses middle housing development regulations.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 9992.633, "end": 9995.807, "text": "In general, these changes increase flexibility for middle housing development.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 9996.343, "end": 10005.856, "text": "For example, by allowing any configuration of attached or detached units, removing lot size requirements that are any different than a house, and expanding where cottage clusters are allowed.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 10007.337, "end": 10016.332, "text": "Offering bonuses for affordable units and accessible units, and making it easier to incorporate existing accessory dwelling units and duplexes into mid-housing developments.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 10020.09, "end": 10024.254, "text": "The second category of changes affects the procedures used to review and approve proposed development.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 10025.298, "end": 10030.709, "text": "These changes allow more flexibility for the timing of middle housing land divisions and offer a consolidated process.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 10031.946, "end": 10048.821, "text": "Other changes limit notification areas to neighboring properties within 100 feet of a project site and remove the city's ability to notify for existing— or I'm sorry, expedited land divisions, including middle housing land divisions, as well as any application reviewed using clear and objective standards like an environmental plan check.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 10050.089, "end": 10054.748, "text": "These changes are in order to reduce potential barriers or procedural slowdowns for residential development.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 10055.962, "end": 10061.389, "text": "In addition, applications for zone changes and planned developments will no longer have a public hearing unless the case is appealed.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 10064.93, "end": 10067.291, "text": "The final category of changes affects permissible uses.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 10068.175, "end": 10077.395, "text": "These changes will allow residential treatment facilities, for example, mental health treatment for 6 or more clients, in single dwelling and industrial zones without the need for a conditional use review.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 10078.54, "end": 10084.668, "text": "And the other change makes it easier to replace nonconforming dwellings in the cases where they are destroyed by natural causes like flood or fire.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 10091.751, "end": 10095.296, "text": "Erica Thompson from the Planning Commission is here and will provide their remarks in just a moment.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 10097.34, "end": 10102.826, "text": "Uh, the commission unanimously recommended the council adopt the project and report and code amendments As shown in the recommended draft.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 10103.31, "end": 10103.536, "text": "Hello.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 10106.375, "end": 10108.505, "text": "And just a little administrative detail before we finish up.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 10109.08, "end": 10111.782, "text": "The supplemental record materials can be found here at this link.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 10114.4, "end": 10120.842, "text": "So unless there are any immediately— immediate clarifying questions, here's Commissioner Thompson to share the Planning Commission's remarks.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 10121.645, "end": 10121.902, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 10124.12, "end": 10125.181, "text": "Should I go ahead and get started?", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 10125.36, "end": 10126.014, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 10126.095, "end": 10128.365, "text": "Well, good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 10128.479, "end": 10130.154, "text": "My name is My name is Erica Thompson.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 10130.812, "end": 10133.43, "text": "I'm a member of the Portland Planning Commission.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 10134.041, "end": 10137.944, "text": "I'm an architect at Hinneberry Eddy Architects here in Portland.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 10138.361, "end": 10148.593, "text": "I'm a resident of District 3, and today I am pleased to represent the Planning Commission for the State Land Use Compliance Project that's before you.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 10149.3, "end": 10161.956, "text": "We, on June 23rd, 2026, did vote unanimously to recommend that you adopt the project report and the proposed Title 33 amendments.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 10163.238, "end": 10182.369, "text": "This really is, in essence, a simple compliance project in that the proposed changes are required by the state, but by adopting them into city code, we will promote regulatory clarity and consistency for developers and applicants.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 10183.203, "end": 10196.235, "text": "The Planning Commission also agrees with staff and testifiers that the amendments will create a positive benefit for middle housing development, providing more flexibility and fewer barriers.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 10197.165, "end": 10202.887, "text": "We heard from 4 individuals who provided a total of 5 pieces of testimony.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 10203.384, "end": 10206.061, "text": "Testimony was supportive of the project.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 10206.526, "end": 10209.475, "text": "It offered suggestions for ways to go further.", "speaker": "Erica Thompson" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 10209.796, "end": 10214.113, "text": "In fine-tuning the definitions and requirements for cottage 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"speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 10327.922, "end": 10330.293, "text": "Sarah is going to join us online in a few seconds.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 10337.609, "end": 10338.004, "text": "Good afternoon.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 10338.119, "end": 10338.778, "text": "Can you hear me okay?", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 10340.2, "end": 10340.72, "text": "We can hear you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 10340.804, "end": 10340.972, "text": "Go ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 10341.638, "end": 10341.814, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 10342.537, "end": 10343.34, "text": "My name is Sarah Rattley.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 10343.421, "end": 10352.464, "text": "I'm a land use planner in private practice since 2015, and prior to that, I worked for the City of Portland in current planning for 14 years.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 10352.994, "end": 10356.993, "text": "So I have a lot of experience in implementing the zoning code.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 10357.7, "end": 10366.839, "text": "And today I'm here to talk about specifically about the middle housing provisions that are in this, in this proposal to conform with the state rules.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 10367.578, "end": 10371.352, "text": "And as noted, um, there's a lot of great stuff in there.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 10371.448, "end": 10380.152, "text": "There's a lot of stuff in there that will encourage development, will encourage infill housing, will encourage small developments, small houses, um, those kinds of things.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 10380.2, "end": 10384.905, "text": "So super, super exciting to look for those streamlined, um, changes.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 10385.724, "end": 10390.767, "text": "Um, there are a couple things that I think would make it be more effective.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 10391.2, "end": 10396.869, "text": "One is that specifically about cottage cluster developments, which are multiple detached homes.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 10397.607, "end": 10402.783, "text": "On lots, it's a newer in the last several years kind of middle housing piece.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 10403.792, "end": 10414.064, "text": "One of the changes that's being proposed with this project is to increase the minimum size of a common area from 450 square feet to 750 square feet.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 10414.689, "end": 10421.98, "text": "And the reason that that is impactful is that you have kind of a couple different regulations directing the amount of common area.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 10422.06, "end": 10422.669, "text": "One is.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 10423.585, "end": 10425.545, "text": "Typically 200 square feet per unit.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 10426.091, "end": 10433.561, "text": "So if you have 6 units on one, say, 10,000 square foot lot, that's 1,200 square feet of common area required.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 10434.107, "end": 10443.473, "text": "Under the new rules, you would have one common area that has to be at least 750 square feet, which gets you, you know, 3/4 of the way through your minimum.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 10444.147, "end": 10446.573, "text": "And then you need 350 square feet more.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 10446.718, "end": 10462.163, "text": "But if you can't fit that in that one contiguous common area, then now you need another common area, which is typically fine, but that second common area also has to be 750 square feet instead of what is current, the current rules, which are 450 square feet.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 10463.157, "end": 10475.949, "text": "So, the result is potentially, when, especially when you're working around an existing house and your site is constrained in some way, that you're not going to be able to necessarily have one common area, and you're going to end up with multiple common areas.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 10478.867, "end": 10487.357, "text": "And the problem with that is that that then either means fewer units or smaller units for this kind of excess extra common area.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 10488.199, "end": 10502.811, "text": "So I would propose that if, if the intention is to increase the minimum common area to 750 square feet, have that be for one common area, and then any additional common areas could be 450 square feet in area.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 10502.875, "end": 10503.053, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 10503.101, "end": 10503.649, "text": "Councilmember Herbold?", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 10504.102, "end": 10509.974, "text": "It's a, it's a simple code fix consistent with, um, what's been happening in the past.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 10510.359, "end": 10522.889, "text": "And then really quick, because I'm almost out of time, my second, um, comment has to do with parking and how parking will be differently regulated for a fourplex of attached units or 4 units of detached or mixed.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 10523.21, "end": 10534.992, "text": "So there's 2 different code sections that would regulate those, and it will be confusing for applicants and everyone to Thank you.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 10539.236, "end": 10547.748, "text": "Councilor, would you be willing to let the testifier explain that second point even though their time is up, since we don't have anyone else signed up to testify?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 10548.32, "end": 10548.529, "text": "That's fine.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 10549.14, "end": 10549.59, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 10551.553, "end": 10552.083, "text": "Um, great.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 10552.276, "end": 10552.823, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 10553.242, "end": 10559.983, "text": "Um, so currently the rules For parking, there's, there's kind of, there's 2 sections of rules for parking.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 10560.16, "end": 10564.959, "text": "One is for houses, duplexes, triplexes, and fourplexes, and that's one set of rules.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 10565.778, "end": 10567.415, "text": "And then, and that, so that's the driveway.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 10567.479, "end": 10575.538, "text": "So maybe you have like a cottage cluster project where you drive onto the site with a shared driveway, and then everybody has their garage or a common parking area or something like that.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 10575.65, "end": 10578.026, "text": "That's, that's kind of the scenario that we're talking about.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 10578.941, "end": 10583.163, "text": "Um, and then you have another section of code that's all other development.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 10583.211, "end": 10583.259, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 10583.34, "end": 10583.452, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 10583.597, "end": 10591.775, "text": "And that all other development, as staff would probably speak to, hasn't really been looked at in depth for middle housing and cottage clusters and such.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 10592.851, "end": 10601.463, "text": "But it's going to get kind of even worse now, because if you have a fourplex that is attached units, 4 units attached, you fall under the first code.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 10602.17, "end": 10609.496, "text": "But if you have 4 units that are maybe 2 of them attached and then a space and then 2 of them attached, now you fall under the other code.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 10609.545, "end": 10609.689, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 10610.139, "end": 10615.068, "text": "So they're almost identical developments, but they have very, very different parking regulations.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 10616.079, "end": 10626.017, "text": "So I would propose that the codes be labeled 1 to 4 units is the first section, and the second section is 5 and above units.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 10626.419, "end": 10646.229, "text": "And it would fall in line with how the code is implemented currently, so it wouldn't be a big change for any of the implementation, and it would clarify you know, it's just going to be weird if, if we're explaining to people like, well, if you attach your units to each other all, then you follow these regulations for your driveway.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 10646.309, "end": 10650.284, "text": "But if you want a break in that attachment, now you have to follow these different regulations.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 10650.396, "end": 10653.137, "text": "And, and people are just going to be like, that doesn't make any sense.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 10653.265, "end": 10677.544, "text": "So that's— those are my 2 top, uh, kind of requests for change that I think are simple enough to be tweaked in the code without okay, thank you for the additional comments, Sarah.", "speaker": "Sarah Radlett" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 10677.609, "end": 10678.58, "text": "We appreciate your time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 10679.308, "end": 10679.632, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 10680.765, "end": 10681.672, "text": "Uh, let's get into it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 10681.915, "end": 10682.416, "text": "Councilor—.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 10682.481, "end": 10683.015, "text": "Vice Chair Green.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 10684.1, "end": 10686.535, "text": "Thank you, Chair Avalos, and I've got my eye on the clock here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 10686.905, "end": 10705.292, "text": "Um, I just wanted to ask, uh, really quickly, Whether that last testifier's suggestions are things that the Planning Bureau could, could think through and accommodate before we were to bring this to the City Council, is that a thing that we could contemplate?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 10705.645, "end": 10711.377, "text": "We, uh, we appreciate the, the input, uh, and suggestions that Mr. Adelaide has provided in the past.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 10712.164, "end": 10715.038, "text": "As I explained earlier, we were faced with a dilemma.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 10715.359, "end": 10717.351, "text": "We could either take the time and think thank you.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 10717.399, "end": 10725.613, "text": "I think we need to think more holistically about our middle housing development standards or address the state mandates before this January 1st compliance deadline.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 10727.63, "end": 10738.009, "text": "The change to the open space requirement, not too difficult to accommodate if we just don't make the amendment that's proposed, just keep it at 450 square foot as it stands today.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 10738.982, "end": 10739.858, "text": "That's an easy change.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 10740.28, "end": 10742.032, "text": "The parking gets a little more complicated.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 10742.535, "end": 10751.433, "text": "The parking standards were developed with the notion of a single structure, a single primary structure, and where you put your driveways and garages around that.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 10752.699, "end": 10764.893, "text": "When you move into what's called multi-dwelling development, when you start separating those units up, there's a number of different types of kind of considerations that need to be thought through and addressed.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 10765.774, "end": 10774.766, "text": "And it's not a— as you can imagine, when we talk about parking, it's not always a simple kind of there are lots of impacts that we need to consider.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 10775.054, "end": 10780.553, "text": "So with that frame in mind, again, we think that the direction is right.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 10780.665, "end": 10801.627, "text": "We think that looking at more even standards for all types of middle housing is sensible, but we also think we need to take the time to make sure we do that right rather than just try to apply the standard that was designed for a different type of product onto, onto appreciate that.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 10801.805, "end": 10806.946, "text": "Um, I would be curious to see what that first tweak could look like.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 10806.995, "end": 10812.195, "text": "I don't know that I, I want that little of common space, but, um, I'm curious to see what you guys can come up with.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 10812.291, "end": 10814.412, "text": "I understand you guys are also doing a lot of other work.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 10814.46, "end": 10828.136, "text": "So, um, my last question is then, if we were to sort of move this forward even as is and adopt this, meet the requirement, would we be able to tweak this down the road?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 10828.569, "end": 10852.844, "text": "We are anticipating— we actually have a project queuing up to look at facilitating middle housing development and a number of other tricks up our sleeve in terms of how we address development in the currently labeled single dwelling zones and thinking about those standards and making them work more effectively both across single dwelling and multi-dwelling zones.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 10852.892, "end": 10867.308, "text": "So as developers are looking at sites, they are not forced with the sorts of dilemmas that Ms. Radley raised, which is you have this kind of standard in this zone and a different standard in this zone, same product, same look at the end, but you have to sort of jump through different hurdles.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 10867.405, "end": 10873.906, "text": "So part of our objective with that other project is to look again more holistically at all those requirements together.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 10874.42, "end": 10875.143, "text": "I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 10875.191, "end": 10875.448, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 10875.592, "end": 10876.555, "text": "I'm prepared to move this today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 10879.381, "end": 10880.104, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 10880.971, "end": 10881.453, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 10882.175, "end": 10887.169, "text": "Um, it makes sense to me that the parking needs a, a deeper look.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 10887.249, "end": 10890.99, "text": "There's a lot that we touch with different parking requirements in the city.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 10891.665, "end": 10917.458, "text": "The first comment that the testifier brought up about having a requirement for 750 square feet of common space, but the additional common space areas around a property could be smaller, still keeping that 450 minimum so that they're not— so that they're usable, but so that we don't encroach on the space needed for housing.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 10918.135, "end": 10919.358, "text": "Makes a lot of sense to me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 10920.37, "end": 10927.005, "text": "I understand that the intent with what we have before us is to just move forward what is required by state law.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 10927.294, "end": 10937.25, "text": "I'm happy to move forward with what we have but I wanted to raise that because it sounded like you were suggesting we could move back to the 450 minimum, and I would hope that we don't do that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 10937.394, "end": 10951.556, "text": "I would hope that we keep the 750 minimum for a larger common space area, but consider having some smaller minimum for secondary common spaces where there are multiple common spaces within the same developed area.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 10952.118, "end": 10953.676, "text": "Appreciate the clarification.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 10955.072, "end": 10955.602, "text": "The direction.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 10955.65, "end": 10967.032, "text": "I think the dilemma that we're facing with that, reverting to the standard that's in place today is basically that we would just give direction to omit that amendment from the package.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 10967.674, "end": 10970.098, "text": "So basically not change the standard.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 10970.563, "end": 10982.185, "text": "If we're talking about creating a sort of bifurcated standard where you have an initial 750 square feet followed up by something that's smaller, we'd have to kind of craft what that language looks like.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 10982.683, "end": 10985.461, "text": "Which I'm not really prepared to do on the stand.", "speaker": "Morgan Tracy" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 10986.521, "end": 10991.723, "text": "I would be comfortable with that being part of future work that you're doing and not addressing that today and moving this forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 10992.301, "end": 10995.849, "text": "I think that the testifier raised some very legitimate points.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 10996.01, "end": 11006.945, "text": "I just don't want us to overcorrect in the other direction by moving back to having only those smaller common spaces in our multi-building developments.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 11007.009, "end": 11007.426, "text": "Understand.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 11008.409, "end": 11009.095, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 11011.5, "end": 11014.209, "text": "All right, seeing as there's no one else in the queue, last call.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 11016.047, "end": 11023.987, "text": "Then I would like to entertain a motion to move ordinance document number 2026-345 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 11025.247, "end": 11025.699, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 11026.458, "end": 11027.023, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 11027.346, "end": 11030.485, "text": "Moved by Vice Chair Green, seconded by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 11031.398, "end": 11032.685, "text": "Uh, clerk, please call the roll.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 11038.274, "end": 11038.322, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 11039.319, "end": 11039.463, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 11040.138, "end": 11040.171, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sarah Wallach" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 11040.942, "end": 11044.093, "text": "Novick, absent.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 11045.042, "end": 11045.25, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 11045.588, "end": 11045.604, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 11047.114, "end": 11057.144, "text": "With 4 ayes and 1 absent, the motion carries, and the ordinance document number 2026-345 moves to the full council with the recommendation it be passed.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 11057.981, "end": 11066.639, "text": "And the State Land Use Compliance Project is continued to a full council meeting on October 14th at 9:45 AM, time certain.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 11067.939, "end": 11068.164, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 11069.144, "end": 11069.529, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 11070.428, "end": 11078.922, "text": "Uh, right, with that, um, like I said, next meeting will be, uh, the Climate and Health Standards Policy, and there will be public testimony and committee discussion.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 11079.837, "end": 11083.916, "text": "For now, I will adjourn the Housing and Permitting Committee meeting at 4:58 PM.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" } ] }