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<v Sameer Kanal>Keeling, this is Councilor Smith, and I'm online.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for letting us know, Councilor Smith.

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<v Leila Taylor>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Hey, we're not starting quite yet, but if you are online, uh, we might need you for quorum.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Can you turn on your cameras, please?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Good morning.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm going to call this meeting of the Portland City Council Committee of the Whole to order.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It is September 24th at 9:34 AM.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Rebecca, will you please call the roll?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Good morning.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Green.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And Claire, will you please, uh, read the statement of conduct?

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<v Leila Taylor>Thank you, Chair.

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<v Leila Taylor>Good morning and welcome to the meeting of the Finance and Governance Committee of the Whole.

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<v Leila Taylor>To testify before this committee in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the committee agenda at portland.gov/council/agenda/committee-whole or by calling 311.

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<v Leila Taylor>Information on engaging with the committee can be found at this link.

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<v Leila Taylor>Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.

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<v Leila Taylor>In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the chair states otherwise.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>The chair preserves order.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Leila Taylor>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.

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<v Leila Taylor>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Claire.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, so today we've got committee chair updates.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We've also got continuing discussion of the 5 ordinances that were filed and we started discussing last week on the regulatory program changes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We'll have updates on those as we go.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Get into them.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, will you please call item 1?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 1, committee chair updates, document number 2026-337.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, so as per usual, updating everything on here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, everything that's been discussed that I am aware of is now on a calendar, save one thing going into the, the rest of the year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that thing is actually, uh, foreclosures, which actually is on there now.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So we are in a situation where I appreciate that, that 2 weeks Aye.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So just a couple of quick updates.

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<v Sameer Kanal>A couple of weeks ago, I asked if anyone knows of something coming up that needs to get on this committee's agenda before the end of October, please let me know.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And the response was sufficient to actually fill up most of the rest of the year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I appreciate both the administration and colleagues for doing that to help us be more predicting— able to predict what's happening.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The main takeaways from page 1 is just that there is no meeting on October 1st, and instead we'll have a meeting on October 29th.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So we'll still have 4 in October.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And some of the rest of the items are still in the possible tentative getting confirmed state as we go forward, just waiting on— each thing's got some slightly different things happening.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to flag going to page 2 that some of the items on here are probably going to be in a sort of transition memo I give to the next year chair of this committee should it be retained in this format, um, or try to get done in January.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We probably have a meeting in January, um, before the— any switches may occur.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So most of this— these kinds of things are, are probably not going to get done this calendar year, and I just want to be upfront about that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But if anybody has, um, things on that that get filed and are approved by, you know, clerk and, and, um, code review if necessary, attorneys if necessary, we can try to get it in as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, just wanted to, to flag that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Switching gears and talking about the leadership requests and work groups, I did want to flag the street renaming code piece.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We've discussed this in the discussion around Campesinos Boulevard renaming and having a broader conversation about how this code works and what we're going to do about it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I want to thank the folks who volunteered for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We do have this penciled in for October 15th as a discussion item.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm gonna ask if those 5 councilors that are listed can help to plan the discussion in terms of run a show and things like that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>DCA Williams has confirmed that PBOT is available to give their sides of it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I've also given all your chiefs of staff a heads up that I was going to mention this today.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The discussion we're gonna have on the 15th about street renaming is primarily for councilors.

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<v Sameer Kanal>PBOT is going to be present to answer questions and give feedback on feasibility of ideas, but not to— kind of like how DCA— sorry, how CFO Beery yesterday said, here's the implementation challenges or ease, not so much here's my opinion on them.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's kind of going to be like that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's not a formal presentation, but it is designed to sort of lay out options.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'll give— I've been using this behind the scenes, but for those who may be a little curious about what's kind of the goal of these discussions that don't have that don't have legislation tied to them yet.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The example I've been giving is they're first downs, meaning we're not trying to score on the play, get a touchdown or a field goal, but we are trying to advance the conversation so that it gets— it keeps going and we're able to have future action to resolve the problem.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Sorry for the non-sports fans out there that I just got you to glaze your eyes over with that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But yeah, so that's the workgroup update, and that's pretty much it for my part.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I did want to just see if there's nobody in the queue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll go to Councilor Novick to give us an update on the work of the Community and Public Safety Committee.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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<v Steve Novick>Well, yesterday we actually have— the full council was looking at a couple of the issues that have come through the Public Safety Committee, the psychedelics ordinance and the 2 police grants.

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<v Steve Novick>Some big picture things we've had.

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<v Steve Novick>We had a presentation on the report that Councilor Smith requested on what the timeline would be and the expenses would be for significant ramp-up in police staffing.

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<v Steve Novick>And the police also had some suggestions as to where such staff might be assigned.

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<v Steve Novick>That was an interesting conversation that I think is probably worthy of follow-up.

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<v Steve Novick>We also had a presentation on police response times at Vice Chair Murillo's request, which frankly I think left a lot of questions unanswered.

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<v Steve Novick>And I told the police bureau that I'm planning to bring them back to continue that conversation.

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<v Steve Novick>In terms of specific— oh, and I should also add that—.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>In the context of discussion of police response times, I got a reminder that we should schedule a discussion of clearance rates, solving of crimes, particularly because in that presentation, the Bureau said that currently we only count in our clearance rate statistics cases that are referred for investigation.

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<v Steve Novick>So if there's a crime that's not referred for investigation, it's not counted.

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<v Steve Novick>So I told them I'd like to see statistics that include both.

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<v Steve Novick>Both, because something that's not solved and not referred should be treated as not solved.

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<v Steve Novick>In terms of specific legislation, after numerous discussions about the protecting public buildings guns concealed carry legislation, which would've, pursuant to a state authorization, eliminated the affirmative defense for criminal charges for having wait a minute.

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<v Steve Novick>For having concealed carry.

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<v Steve Novick>We finally, after numerous discussions, came to a vote on that issue, and the legislation did not— we did not recommend moving to full council.

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<v Steve Novick>We had a preliminary discussion of an idea of Councilor Zimmerman's, the Safe Parks proposal, which would expand the city's ability to exclude people from parks.

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<v Steve Novick>And over next month, we're gonna have a report from the PSR Committee, and we'll also have a discussion about the Great ShakeOut for earthquake preparedness.

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<v Steve Novick>We are going to have a presentation on fireworks enforcement, which is pretty much nonexistent.

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<v Steve Novick>Wanna have a conversation about whether it's possible to have some level of enforcement of the fireworks ban.

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<v Steve Novick>And also, We had in the committee earlier this year a discussion of restorative justice, and the restorative justice folks said that the police bureau doesn't really refer many cases to restorative justice.

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<v Steve Novick>And Chief Day said, well, he actually believes in that concept.

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<v Steve Novick>So I'm going to ask Chief Day to come back and give us his thoughts on whether it's possible to increase police use of restorative justice.

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<v Steve Novick>So that's what I got.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm going to give everyone a second if they want to give him a cue to ask anything of Chair Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That was comprehensive, so thank you so much.

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<v Dan Ryan>With that—.

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<v Steve Novick>And I forgot, we also need to schedule, uh, a discussion of disparities in traffic enforcement.

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<v Steve Novick>Appreciate it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, so I guess with that, we'll wrap up the chairs update, and I will ask Rebecca if you could please call items 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 Item 2, amend Regulation of Payday Lending Code to update program fees, amend Code Section 7.26.030, document number 2026-325.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 3, amend Pay and Park and Non-Pay Private Parking Facilities Code to strengthen compliance and public notice requirements and update program fees, amend Code Chapter 7.25, document number 2026- Item 4, amend Secondhand Dealers Code to strengthen compliance requirements and update program fees.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Amend Code Chapter 14B.90, document number 2026-327.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 5, amend Social Games Code to strengthen compliance requirements and update program fees.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Amend Code Sections 14A.70.060 and 14A.70.067.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>70, Document number 2026-328.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>And item 6, repeal Amusement Devices, Games, and Machines Code, repeal Code Chapter 14B.110, document number 2026-329.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so before we, uh, just wanted to confirm we finished all testimony, there wasn't anybody who had to wait, right, last time?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So we've heard our presentations, we have heard testimony, we're in councilor discussion and the ability to amend, to refer on.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We can refer these on individually or as a package to the full council as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I want to start by recognizing, I know that Councilor Novick, you had something you wanted to start with, so I will start with you.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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<v Steve Novick>Yes, partly in response to Chair Kanal's questions about background checks and the secondhand dealers item, 2026-327.

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<v Steve Novick>We were taking a look at that item over the last week and concluded there's some language issues that need to be worked out that I think that we're not— I don't know that we're quite there yet.

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<v Steve Novick>I apologize for that.

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<v Steve Novick>So I think that it's appropriate to— so I asked to refer that item to the— actually to the CAPS Committee.

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<v Steve Novick>I think that's appropriate because the whole reason for this part of the regulations is concerned about secondhand dealers potentially dealing in stolen goods.

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<v Steve Novick>So it's— there's definitely a public safety nexus.

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<v Steve Novick>The 4 remaining items I hope to refer on to council today.

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<v Steve Novick>Look forward to the discussion.

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<v Steve Novick>I think given some of the discussion last week, my preference would be to vote on them separately rather than as a package in whatever order the chair deems appropriate.

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<v Steve Novick>So I'll begin by making a motion to refer document 2026-327. to the Community and Public Safety Committee.

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<v Steve Novick>I would ask for a second.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Second.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, so just for everyone's knowledge, under City Code 3.02.020, it is that many subsections.

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<v Sameer Kanal>This is something that the council is allowed, or sorry, committees are allowed to do, refer to another committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So there's a motion from Councilor Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There's a second from Council President Dunphy.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any discussion on the motion to refer this to the CAPS Committee?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And this is item, I wanna say, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Chair.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Novick, when you had originally presented these items together as a package, there was a budget implication for not moving all of them at the same time.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And can you speak to the budget implication if we don't move this forward?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And have you talked to the bureaus?

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<v Steve Novick>Do they have any concerns about budget gaps that might create something, yeah, but it's right now we're not at full cost recovery for these programs.

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<v Steve Novick>So I think it's something we can live with, and I, I think that we can resolve the secondhand dealer issues, um, in the next several, several weeks.

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<v Steve Novick>I don't think it's going to take forever.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So by the time we're at our next budget cycle, this should be resolved and we should be back to about the balance that you had originally proposed?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Perfect.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you so much.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing no one else in the queue, uh, Rebecca, will you please call the roll on the motion to refer item 4, secondhand dealers, to the Committee on Community and Public Safety?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Okay, calling, uh, moved by Novick, seconded by Dunphy.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanel.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Absent.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>And Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>And the motion to refer is approved and apologies for the out-of-order vote.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Great, thank you so much, and thank you, Councilor Novick, for, uh, the motion.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We're back into the main queue to discuss the other 4 items.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, here again, they can be referred to the full council together or as, uh, individual items, as Councilor Novick has expressed the preference for.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm not seeing anyone in the queue yet.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I know we're all still waking up, but, uh, just want to give everyone a chance here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I guess— Would a motion to, uh, move agenda item 2, document 2026-325, to full council with the do pass recommendation be appropriate right now?

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<v Sameer Kanal>That would absolutely be appropriate.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So moved.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there a second?

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<v Steve Novick>Second.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's a motion from Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Councilor Novick, to refer item 2 onto the full council.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any further discussion on this motion?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing none, Rebecca, will you please call the roll?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>And to clarify, that was 2026-325.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Novick, uh, to refer to the full council with DuPas recommendation.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Hurdle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>And the motion to refer is approved with 9 aye, 3 absent.

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<v Steve Novick>Great.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And just as a reminder, we still need 7 votes for everything today even though we have 3 people absent.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't think that's going to be relevant today, but just wanted everyone to be aware of that going in.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we're back into the main queue to, uh, discuss the remaining 3 items.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So those are, uh, Pay and Park, Social Games Code, and Amusement Devices, Games and Machines.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, and a motion would be appropriate to refer any of those on to the, uh, to the full council at this time.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Dunphy.

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<v Leila Taylor>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I mean, I'm going to be supportive of all of these.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think this is a great direction for us to be going as a city.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There are actually a few other things that I have seen since looking into this that I also would love to just dig in and get rid of, including some of our requirements around locking up spray paint and taking people's driver's license information, which the police cannot even actually process or claim those documents in any way.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>As such, I'm— would it be appropriate to move are we looking to do these individually at this point?

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<v Steve Novick>I was proposing to do them individually in an excess of caution because frankly I wasn't sure we'd have the same number of votes for all of them.

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<v Steve Novick>But given what I've seen so far, I think it would be appropriate.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We still have items, is it 3 and 5 and 6 remaining?

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<v Sameer Kanal>It is 3, 5, and 6, yes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, I'd like to first reiterate some of my concerns about number 3, but I'll I'll still be supportive today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that we should be tying some of our parking, our surface parking lot goals towards some of our environmental goals.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have some land use goals around trying to disincentivize parking lots in highly zoned areas or highly densely zoned areas.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>However, that's not relevant to this motion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And as such, I would move that we refer items 3, 5, and 6 to the full committee with a do pass recommendation.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I would seek a second.

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<v Steve Novick>Second.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There's a motion to refer items 3, 5, and 6 together to the full council.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Moved by Councilor Dunphy, seconded by Councilor Novick with a do pass recommendation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there further discussion on this item?

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm gonna be in the queue on this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm gonna support this motion as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I did wanna ask while I had the chance, last time we discussed on the— this is related to item 3. about what portions of the, uh, comments that were received got integrated in.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I just— there was supposed to be more information on that, and I don't think I got it by email.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I just wanted to know if there's— if it's not resolved today, I'll still ask at the full council, but I, I just wanted to know if there was anything.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Mr.

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<v Steve Novick>Chair, can I ask the team to come up and help answer that question?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The revenue team?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And, and for the record, I asked this on a few of them, and I got the answers on the other ones.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So, um, I do appreciate that.

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<v Tim Mercer>For the record, Tim Mercer, Revenue Division.

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<v Tim Mercer>Yeah, sorry for the oversight there.

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<v Tim Mercer>I didn't realize we owed you something on that front.

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<v Tim Mercer>But yeah, so in terms of Payne Park comments that were integrated, we got comments across a pretty broad range, particularly negative comments around the increase of fees and some comments related to some of the changes around requirements for parking machines, the actual machines that give you a ticket.

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<v Tim Mercer>We modified our approach in regard to the machines as a direct result of the feedback we received.

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<v Tim Mercer>Did we make any other changes there that was a direct result of feedback?

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<v Leila Taylor>Leila Taylor, Regulatory Program Coordinator.

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<v Leila Taylor>We also discussed modifying the fees or the penalties that can be assessed for parking.

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<v Tim Mercer>Yeah.

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<v Tim Mercer>And we also adjusted the language around grace periods, I believe.

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<v Tim Mercer>Yes.

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<v Tim Mercer>'Cause we heard feedback that what we were proposing might be difficult for operators to implement.

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<v Tim Mercer>So we adjusted there.

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<v Leila Taylor>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>What was, just outta curiosity, what was the original proposal on the grace period?

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<v Sameer Kanal>7 minutes.

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<v Leila Taylor>And we adjusted it down to 5 minutes as defined within the pay and park definition of parking.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know if you had anything more you wanted to add, Councilor Novick.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That was all I had.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that clarification.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And that's it for me.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you so much, Chair, and I apologize that I'm late.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so with some humility, I will ask a couple questions and someone could say, well, you were late and you missed that.

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<v Dan Ryan>I didn't really hear the modification to— so the modification to the pay in part to the meters was from 7 to 5, is that what you said?

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's the grace period in which a company—.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's what the modification was?

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<v Tim Mercer>Yes, we made a modification.

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<v Tim Mercer>We had proposed language that said We would have a 7-minute grace period around ticketing at lots, and we rolled that back to 5 minutes.

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<v Tim Mercer>It would've been 3 minutes previously?

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<v Sameer Kanal>There hadn't been any such grace period.

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<v Tim Mercer>Oh, no grace period.

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<v Tim Mercer>So the grace period was a direct result of, you know, sort of feedback that where a citizen that got a ticket was saying, you know, I was en route between the machine and my car when I got the ticket.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah.

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<v Tim Mercer>And so adding a grace period seemed to offer some relief for citizens that might get a ticket in that circumstance.

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<v Dan Ryan>I appreciate that.

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<v Dan Ryan>I appreciate that.

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<v Dan Ryan>And that wasn't really why I even put my hand up, but I was curious 'cause I didn't understand what was just said.

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<v Dan Ryan>So thank you for explaining.

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<v Dan Ryan>I put my hand up because I had a good conversation actually with you, Councilor Novick, of course, about what I've been discussing with private parking systems around especially Pearl and Belltown.

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<v Dan Ryan>This is a workforce issue.

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<v Dan Ryan>When we try to do all we can for our small businesses, our small business restaurants, at the top of a lot of their complaints is that there's not adequate parking for their employers, their employees, and their employees have to run out and they'll like this grace period, trust me.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so they often get—.

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<v Dan Ryan>I'm sorry.

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<v Dan Ryan>Ticketed.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we have a system at SmartPark in Central Portland, Downtown Portland, where there's a spring— there's a swing shift type rate, which is better than the usual rate.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we're trying to get the private parking folks to do something similar to that.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I'm socializing something that I don't have an amendment for today 'cause I think it would I think it's an and, and I hope that we can come back with some— this council actually caring about workforce issues and caring about our employers in the private sector that work at restaurants and such and offer them some opportunities to have some relief with the challenges of finding parking spots, A, and finding a price that's somewhat similar to what we have in our downtown SmartPark.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>Again, we don't have SmartPark locations in Upper Pearl and Slabtown.

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<v Dan Ryan>The closest one, as you know, is down on the waterfront.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so that's what I want to work with, hopefully you, Councilor Novick, on.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I think that that was what needed to be voiced at this moment.

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<v Dan Ryan>I can go along with this.

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<v Dan Ryan>I was fine with all of them.

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<v Dan Ryan>That was the only one I really wanted to have further discussion with.

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<v Dan Ryan>I see that we pulled off one, and I'll find out a little bit more why.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>This is a little off topic, but in response to Councilor Ryan, I want to note one of my parking peeves, which is that when people put up temporary no parking signs, often the no parking is in very big letters and the from, you know, August 23rd at 3:00 PM to August 26th at 2:00 PM is very small.

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<v Steve Novick>So people just see no parking and go on So I wanted to have a conversation with PBOT about, can we require the lettering about the time for no parking to be as big as the no parking part?

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<v Steve Novick>But yeah, this is off topic, but you just reminded me of my own issue.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Seeing no one else in the queue, there is a motion to refer the item on.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's been seconded.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All 3 items together, sorry.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Items 3, 5, and 6.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Rebecca, will you please call the roll?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>This is the motion to refer ordinances document numbers 2026-326, 2026-328, and 2026-329, moved by Dunphy, seconded by Novick.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>The motion to refer is approved with 10 aye and 2 absent votes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, well, that is, uh, the whole agenda.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I have 2 quick housekeeping notes, um, and I think Councilor Ryan wanted to say something, so I could, for the—.

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<v Dan Ryan>Anyway, could someone just gimme a brief summary on why we pulled the other one?

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm gonna let Councilor Novick speak to that one.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Steve Novick>Yes, on the secondhand dealer provisions, partly in response to Councilor Kanal's questions about background checks last week, we were looking through the language of that provision and concluded that there's some language issues both in the In the preexisting rules that I think needs to be addressed.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm not quite sure we're there yet.

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<v Steve Novick>So I just want to have some time to work with the team and come back with language that I'm comfortable with.

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<v Dan Ryan>Will it come back to this committee?

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<v Steve Novick>Oh, we referred it to the Public Safety Committee because it's— those regulations exist because of concerns about dealing in stolen property.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, so that's good.

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<v Dan Ryan>So the public safety system at the city can then weigh in on this in a deeper way.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

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<v Dan Ryan>Good, thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so 2 quick housekeeping notes from a Committee of the Whole side of things.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We are— we don't meet next week.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We'll be meeting on October 8th.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That is a Thursday at 9:30 AM.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And then we do have a work session today at 2 PM of the full City Council, which is about the CEI Hub.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So hope to see you all back there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I promised that if we got done, we would not take up your time.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm happy to give An hour and 58 minutes of everyone's time back.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Not a work session, that's a real meeting.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Oh, sorry, it's a full council meeting at 2:00 PM, but the whole agenda's about CEI HUD.

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<v Sameer Kanal>My apologies.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Full council, full council.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But yeah, happy to give an hour and 57 minutes back.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And with that, or actually more, with that, we'll adjourn the meeting at 10:02 AM.

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<v Steve Novick>Thanks.