{ "meetingId": "2026-09-17-ws-1", "title": "Portland City Work Session 09/17/26", "date": "2026-09-17T09:00:00-07:00", "duration": 187, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxK4GvCHaYY", "videoId": "vxK4GvCHaYY", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/auditor/council-clerk/events/2026/9/17/city-council-work-session", "agendaItems": [], "summary": "**Portland planners told the council a proposed CEI Hub package would cut in-service fuel storage capacity in the city's riverside fuel hub by 20% by December 2036, a target industry and environmental advocates both urged the council to rework before a September 24 hearing.**\n\nThe Bureau of Planning and Sustainability presented two ordinances at a work session on the Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub, the cluster of bulk fuel terminals along Highway 30 and the Willamette River. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), presiding, said four councilors had asked that the items be heard in full council rather than committee, and that the session was meant to give members and the public \"a reasonably equal understanding\" before the hearing.\n\n## The BPS proposal\n\nSupervising planner Tom Armstrong said the hub holds **11 bulk fuel terminals with about 315 million gallons of storage** ([00:12:33](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:12:33)) and provides **90% of the liquid fuels consumed in Oregon** ([00:24:20](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:24:20)). One ordinance amends the comprehensive plan and the zoning and building codes; the other creates a Title 17 program requiring each terminal to cut in-service storage by **20% from a January 1, 2027 baseline by December 2036** ([00:27:07](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:27:07)). Armstrong said the 2036 date tracks the decade terminals will need for state-required seismic upgrades. Exemptions cover a regulated public utility — a single 7-million-gallon Northwest Natural tank — aviation fuel, and expansions approved through a land use review ([00:28:20](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:28:20)).\n\nPenalties would run **$12,000 a day, and $24,000 after 30 days** for inventory violations, and **$0.25 per gallon per day** for failing to meet the reduction ([00:31:03](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:31:03)). Armstrong cited an Eco Northwest analysis finding a **sustained 10% fuel price increase could cost 4,600 jobs**, against 1.9 million jobs statewide in 2025 ([00:34:07](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:34:07)). Updated modeling using 2024 data raised projected hub utilization from about 75% to 91% after the 20% cut, he said ([01:10:33](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@01:10:33)).\n\n## State seismic program\n\nSvetlana Lazarev, who manages the Fuel Tank Seismic Stability Program at the Department of Environmental Quality, said the program is in its fourth year and that **98% of hub tanks were built before 1993**, when codes first accounted for a Cascadia earthquake ([00:49:35](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:49:35)). Facilities get 10 years to complete mitigation after plan approval, and she expects work to run **through about 2038** ([00:58:11](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:58:11)). A 2026 law, HB 4100, requires facilities to show they can cover spill damages up to **$300 million** ([00:53:35](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@00:53:35)).\n\n## Advocates split on how to cut\n\nA coalition of more than 20 organizations meeting weekly since May 2025 asked the council to measure reductions by fuel volume rather than tank count. David Labbe of the CEI Hub Task Force said tanks run roughly 40% full and that reducing built capacity alone could leave actual fuel unchanged ([01:34:29](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@01:34:29)). Nikki Mandel said the Land Use Board of Appeals twice remanded city decisions, calling the comprehensive plan language **\"hortatory and aspirational\"** ([01:41:38](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@01:41:38)), and the coalition seeks stronger, mandatory wording. Asked by Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) whether their approach could yield less than 20%, Labbe said, **\"It certainly could\"** ([01:44:01](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@01:44:01)).\n\nTJ McHugh of the Portland Metro Chamber asked the council to pause and reopen the analysis, saying a substantive draft update was released \"late last night\" and that two city-commissioned studies were \"not consistent with each other\" ([02:01:34](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:01:34)). Pressed by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) to specify the discrepancies, McHugh said BPS would explain them better ([02:07:16](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:07:16)).\n\nSophia Steele Conley of the Western States Petroleum Association, appearing online, called the Pacific Northwest an \"energy island\" with no in-state Oregon refineries and about two weeks of storage ([02:09:13](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:09:13)). She said she \"would not describe it as excess capacity\" ([02:20:24](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:20:24)). Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) said that if the hub is as vital as claimed, \"then I would hope that people would come prepared to answer why they are having different opinions than BPS\" ([02:22:15](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:22:15)).\n\n## What BPS said about the alternatives\n\nIn open discussion, BPS Director Eric Engstrom told Novick that switching to volume-based tracking would be \"more challenging\" operationally and raise \"additional legal considerations,\" and that the bureau would want more time before adopting it ([02:27:59](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:27:59)). Planner Patricia Diefenderfer said the updated Parametrics modeling with 2024 data \"didn't actually change things very much\" and altered no recommendations ([02:58:50](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:58:50)). Dan Eisenbeiss, a registered lobbyist for the Port of Portland, said terminals, not the Port, would file for any aviation fuel expansion ([02:34:28](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@02:34:28)).\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) framed the stakes around emergency response: **\"I am not interested in how readily available fuel is in a world in which thousands of Portlanders are dead\"** ([03:02:34](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@03:02:34)), noting that a seismic event could isolate North Portland if bridges and roads fail.\n\n## What's next\n\nBoth ordinances — the comprehensive plan and Title 33/24 amendments, and the Title 17 capacity reduction program — are scheduled for a **City Council hearing Thursday, September 24, 2026 at 2:00 PM** ([03:06:01](meeting:2026-09-17-ws-1@03:06:01)). The testimony period is open for written and oral comment. Several councilors asked BPS to return with information on the cost and legality of a volume-based tracking program before that hearing.", "summaryText": "Portland planners told the council a proposed CEI Hub package would cut in-service fuel storage capacity in the city's riverside fuel hub by 20% by December 2036, a target industry and environmental advocates both urged the council to rework before a September 24 hearing.\n\nThe Bureau of Planning and Sustainability presented two ordinances at a work session on the Critical Energy Infrastructure Hub, the cluster of bulk fuel terminals along Highway 30 and the Willamette River. Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1), presiding, said four councilors had asked that the items be heard in full council rather than committee, and that the session was meant to give members and the public \"a reasonably equal understanding\" before the hearing.\n\nSupervising planner Tom Armstrong said the hub holds 11 bulk fuel terminals with about 315 million gallons of storage (00:12:33) and provides 90% of the liquid fuels consumed in Oregon (00:24:20). One ordinance amends the comprehensive plan and the zoning and building codes; the other creates a Title 17 program requiring each terminal to cut in-service storage by 20% from a January 1, 2027 baseline by December 2036 (00:27:07). Armstrong said the 2036 date tracks the decade terminals will need for state-required seismic upgrades. Exemptions cover a regulated public utility — a single 7-million-gallon Northwest Natural tank — aviation fuel, and expansions approved through a land use review (00:28:20).\n\nPenalties would run $12,000 a day, and $24,000 after 30 days for inventory violations, and $0.25 per gallon per day for failing to meet the reduction (00:31:03). Armstrong cited an Eco Northwest analysis finding a sustained 10% fuel price increase could cost 4,600 jobs, against 1.9 million jobs statewide in 2025 (00:34:07). Updated modeling using 2024 data raised projected hub utilization from about 75% to 91% after the 20% cut, he said (01:10:33).\n\nSvetlana Lazarev, who manages the Fuel Tank Seismic Stability Program at the Department of Environmental Quality, said the program is in its fourth year and that 98% of hub tanks were built before 1993, when codes first accounted for a Cascadia earthquake (00:49:35). Facilities get 10 years to complete mitigation after plan approval, and she expects work to run through about 2038 (00:58:11). A 2026 law, HB 4100, requires facilities to show they can cover spill damages up to $300 million (00:53:35).\n\nA coalition of more than 20 organizations meeting weekly since May 2025 asked the council to measure reductions by fuel volume rather than tank count. David Labbe of the CEI Hub Task Force said tanks run roughly 40% full and that reducing built capacity alone could leave actual fuel unchanged (01:34:29). Nikki Mandel said the Land Use Board of Appeals twice remanded city decisions, calling the comprehensive plan language \"hortatory and aspirational\" (01:41:38), and the coalition seeks stronger, mandatory wording. Asked by Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) whether their approach could yield less than 20%, Labbe said, \"It certainly could\" (01:44:01).\n\nTJ McHugh of the Portland Metro Chamber asked the council to pause and reopen the analysis, saying a substantive draft update was released \"late last night\" and that two city-commissioned studies were \"not consistent with each other\" (02:01:34). Pressed by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) to specify the discrepancies, McHugh said BPS would explain them better (02:07:16).\n\nSophia Steele Conley of the Western States Petroleum Association, appearing online, called the Pacific Northwest an \"energy island\" with no in-state Oregon refineries and about two weeks of storage (02:09:13). She said she \"would not describe it as excess capacity\" (02:20:24). Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) said that if the hub is as vital as claimed, \"then I would hope that people would come prepared to answer why they are having different opinions than BPS\" (02:22:15).\n\nIn open discussion, BPS Director Eric Engstrom told Novick that switching to volume-based tracking would be \"more challenging\" operationally and raise \"additional legal considerations,\" and that the bureau would want more time before adopting it (02:27:59). Planner Patricia Diefenderfer said the updated Parametrics modeling with 2024 data \"didn't actually change things very much\" and altered no recommendations (02:58:50). Dan Eisenbeiss, a registered lobbyist for the Port of Portland, said terminals, not the Port, would file for any aviation fuel expansion (02:34:28).\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) framed the stakes around emergency response: \"I am not interested in how readily available fuel is in a world in which thousands of Portlanders are dead\" (03:02:34), noting that a seismic event could isolate North Portland if bridges and roads fail.\n\nBoth ordinances — the comprehensive plan and Title 33/24 amendments, and the Title 17 capacity reduction program — are scheduled for a City Council hearing Thursday, September 24, 2026 at 2:00 PM (03:06:01). The testimony period is open for written and oral comment. Several councilors asked BPS to return with information on the cost and legality of a volume-based tracking program before that hearing.", "summaryLede": "Portland planners told the council a proposed CEI Hub package would cut in-service fuel storage capacity in the city's riverside fuel hub by 20% by December 2036, a target industry and environmental advocates both urged the council to rework before a September 24 hearing.", "sections": [ { "title": "Introduction", "startTime": "00:07:01.725", "endTime": "00:10:42.413", "items": [ { "title": "Opening Remarks and Work Session Overview", "startTime": "00:07:01.725", "endTime": "00:10:42.413" } ] }, { "title": "Bureau of Planning and Sustainability (BPS) Presentation", "startTime": "00:10:42.413", "endTime": "00:46:26.130", "items": [ { "title": "BPS Presentation on CEI Hub Policy Project", "startTime": "00:10:42.413", "endTime": "00:36:21.614" }, { "title": "Council Questions to BPS Staff", "startTime": "00:36:21.614", "endTime": 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"start": 430.076, "end": 437.823, "text": "Today we are holding a work session on the 2 legislative items related to the Critical Energy Infrastructure, or the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-6", "start": 438.63, "end": 443.648, "text": "One item makes changes to Title 13 and 24, and one makes changes to Title 17.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-7", "start": 444.1, "end": 446.246, "text": "The Bureau of Planning and Sustainability has advanced these items as a package.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-8", "start": 446.3, "end": 456.338, "text": "This item was originally scheduled to be heard in the Committee of the Whole pursuant to Portland City Code 3.02.020.B Sub 1A Sub 1 Sub B.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-9", "start": 457.412, "end": 463.904, "text": "4 Councilors submitted letters requesting that this item be heard instead in full council, which has the same effect as a referral to full council.", "speaker": "Jamie 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"Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-23", "start": 566.55, "end": 568.983, "text": "Welcome, Director Engstrom and your whole team.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-24", "start": 575.165, "end": 577.502, "text": "Good afternoon.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-25", "start": 577.843, "end": 582.023, "text": "Um, for the record again, I'm Eric Engstrom, the Director of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-26", "start": 582.762, "end": 597.834, "text": "Um, I have with me, um, Tom Armstrong, who will give the bulk of our presentation to keep things efficient, but also joining me is Patricia Dieffenderfer, Chief Planner, Eli Spivak representing the Planning Commission's recommendation here today.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-27", "start": 597.914, "end": 603.11, "text": "And then we also have a few other planning and sustainability staff in the room should there be more technical questions.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-28", "start": 603.158, "end": 608.815, "text": "So with that, I will turn it over to Tom once he's got the presentation loaded.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-29", "start": 611.22, "end": 611.673, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 611.964, "end": 612.692, "text": "Thank you, Eric.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 613.096, "end": 614.682, "text": "For the record, I'm Tom Armstrong.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 614.73, "end": 622.135, "text": "I'm a supervising planner at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability and have been managing this project.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-33", "start": 623.353, "end": 641.355, "text": "This afternoon, I'll go through some of the basic elements of the 2 ordinances that are before you, starting with a little bit of background on the purpose and process that we went through, and then go 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"cue-39", "start": 680.673, "end": 697.453, "text": "Which is where all you can find all of the background information that has gone into this process, the other background reports, the energy forecasts, all of the information that is available to you to inform your decision.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 698.661, "end": 701.221, "text": "So a little bit about the project purpose and scope.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 702.428, "end": 716.726, "text": "We set out about a year and a half ago to update the policies and regulations, development regulations, to reduce the risks associated with bulk fuel terminals in the CI Hub.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 717.288, "end": 724.385, "text": "The CI Hub is that area along Highway 30 and the Willamette River in Northwest Portland.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 724.514, "end": 734.769, "text": "Currently, there are 11 bulk fuel 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"start": 773.317, "end": 780.653, "text": "Where the fuel goes is, you know, a lot of it stays within the Willamette Valley itself.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 781.874, "end": 787.687, "text": "There is a small pipeline down to Eugene where there is a smaller Uh, terminal down in Eugene.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 788.346, "end": 797.145, "text": "Uh, about 10% of it goes upriver via barge to serve Eastern Oregon, Eastern Washington, parts of Idaho.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 797.775, "end": 803.755, "text": "The rest is distributed throughout the state via truck from the terminals in the CI Hub.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 805.357, "end": 813.51, "text": "At the same time, the CI Hub is located on land, you know, river-adjacent land is sediment.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 815.282, "end": 816.551, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 818.527, "end": 825.002, "text": "The Hub is located on lands that are at high risk of liquefaction.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 826.007, "end": 832.326, "text": "It is also adjacent to Forest Park and subject to wildfire risk.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 833.377, "end": 850.451, "text": "And that, you know, should an accident or an event occur at the Hub, the spillover effect includes The potential of spreading wildfires, spills to the river, and toxic air quality concerns throughout Portland.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 851.139, "end": 853.655, "text": "A little bit about our process.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 854.889, "end": 861.25, "text": "We got started with you all back in March of 2025 with a work session similar to this.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 862.403, "end": 873.366, 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"text": "Eventually that ripples through the business side.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 2072.966, "end": 2082.021, "text": "However, over time, those impacts are— don't have a huge impact on the economy.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 2082.294, "end": 2089.888, "text": "What they found was a sustained 10% increase in fuel prices could mean the loss of 4,600 jobs.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 2091.269, "end": 2097.273, "text": "For context, there's 1.9 million jobs in Oregon in 2025.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 2098.092, "end": 2101.608, "text": "The other thing that they recognize is that there is a feedback loop.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 2102.207, "end": 2111.69, "text": "That sustained fuel prices drives behavior change, that people find ways to reduce their fuel demand.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-182", 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before.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 2237.402, "end": 2240.704, "text": "We also have new partners, including the state, who can regulate things we cannot.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 2241.489, "end": 2243.605, "text": "That's a good thing, but also makes things complicated.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 2245.032, "end": 2252.326, "text": "The Planning Commission spent 4 months engaging with the CEI Hub project from December of 2025 to March of 2026.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 2252.887, "end": 2260.229, "text": "During this time, we received a briefing, heard oral testimony from 63 people, and reviewed over 155 pieces of written testimony.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 2261.143, "end": 2274.433, "text": "Then we reconvened for a series of 3 work sessions interspersed with 4 subquorum working groups specific to fuel demand projections, aviation 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"start": 2298.567, "end": 2304.037, "text": "Virtually all, about 90%, of fossil and renewable fuels used in Oregon are processed through the CEI hub.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 2304.839, "end": 2309.138, "text": "This is not sustainable from an economic, environmental, or safety perspective.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 2309.892, "end": 2315, "text": "We have too many volatile, explosive eggs in one vulnerable basket, And the ground will shake.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 2316.63, "end": 2320.452, "text": "From a seismic risk standpoint, the CEI Hub facilities are in the wrong place.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 2321.116, "end": 2323.918, "text": "We strongly support efforts to explore alternative locations.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 2324.71, "end": 2327.698, "text": "The absence of a single point of accountability complicates that task.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 2329.224, "end": 2337.257, "text": "The storage of non-fuel hazardous materials was not part of the scope of this project, and yet the issue poses a significant gap in the regulation of bulk terminals.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 2338.177, "end": 2345.79, "text": "There's nothing in the current or proposed code that would limit Bulk fuel terminal operators from building tanks for non-fuel materials such as hot asphalt.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 2346.593, "end": 2351.54, "text": "Portland should consider regulating non-fuel hazardous materials at the CEI hub as a follow-up project.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 2353.018, "end": 2357.242, "text": "We must rapidly decrease our dependence on fossil fuels.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 2357.515, "end": 2363.586, "text": "The CEI hub focuses narrowly on the supply side by regulating storage facilities and transloading facilities.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 2364.02, "end": 2369.464, "text": "Yet 40% each of Oregon's greenhouse gas emissions come from the transportation and building sectors, 80% total.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 2370.287, "end": 2383.389, "text": "We strongly encourage council to ensure funding, staffing for the new Sustainability and Climate Commission to further the city's climate action goals and decarbonize the sectors that continue to buy and burn what the CEI Hub sells.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 2385.11, "end": 2386.368, "text": "So here are the amendments we made.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 2386.755, "end": 2400.186, "text": "In the comprehensive plan policies, we added language to the economic significance policy that articulates not just how these facilities support the economy, but also the ongoing economic 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"cue-230", "start": 2465.972, "end": 2473.329, "text": "If the codes don't apply, then you have to have a 1-barrel maximum spillage allowed in the case of a seismic event.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 2474.058, "end": 2482.065, "text": "We added new approval criteria for any new tanks and transloading facilities to minimize and mitigate and mitigate risks to public health and safety from wildfire.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 2483.076, "end": 2490.653, "text": "We added to the transloading expansion review a requirement to demonstrate significant public benefits that include at least one non-economic benefit to the region.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 2491.039, "end": 2493.945, "text": "So you can't just expand transloading showing economic benefits.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 2493.993, "end": 2494.795, "text": "That's not sufficient.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 2494.94, "end": 2496.321, "text": "You have to show additional benefits as well.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 2497.364, "end": 2505.102, "text": "We added an exception to the prohibition on new fuels for aviation fuel up to 5% increase, as Tom mentioned earlier, subject to a discretionary land use review.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 2505.15, "end": 2505.327, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 2506.339, "end": 2508.942, "text": "And we had an amendment that would have allowed a 5% increase by right.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 2509.006, "end": 2509.697, "text": "That did not pass.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 2511.079, "end": 2515.128, "text": "For this, we created the Aviation Fuel Storage Tank Capacity Expansion Review Process.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 2515.193, "end": 2516.076, "text": "That's a mouthful.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 2516.173, "end": 2516.96, "text": "Staff helped with this.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 2518.149, "end": 2531.389, "text": "With a half dozen approval criteria, including if you're going to have more aviation fuel capacity, you'd be required to demonstrate— to do a fuel demand analysis and demonstrate that there's no practical alternative location outside the CEI hub.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 2532.41, "end": 2535.781, "text": "Any such review, since it's a Type 3, would end up back with City Council, with you.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 2537.749, "end": 2546.046, "text": "We adopted an amendment to notify neighbors of any proposed transloading facilities, new structures, or tank demolitions, not just new tanks, because neighbors want to know what's happening there.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 2547.031, "end": 2558.124, "text": "And we prepared an amendment to regulate non-fuel hazardous substance storage tanks, but we dropped that in favor of adopting the comprehensive plan policy I mentioned before and suggesting the City Council move on this and soon.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 2558.269, "end": 2558.784, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 2559.944, "end": 2564.731, "text": "We appreciate staff support over this entire process and your attention to the project.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 2564.779, "end": 2567.061, "text": "Now the recommended draft is now in your hands.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 2567.655, "end": 2568.49, "text": "We've done our best with it.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 2568.844, "end": 2573.706, "text": "You now have the opportunity to stick with it or improve upon it with your final bite at the apple.", "speaker": "Eli Spevak" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 2574.334, "end": 2576.508, "text": "That's mine.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 2577.152, "end": 2578.747, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 2578.925, "end": 2587.112, "text": "Colleagues, if there's any technical or clarifying questions at this time for our, our staff here, we will have more thorough back and forth at the last part of this.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 2587.642, "end": 2591.833, "text": "But if they have any questions right now while these folks are here, and they will be sticking around to the end.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 2592.218, "end": 2594.45, "text": "So Councilor Green and then Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 2595.831, "end": 2596.072, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 2596.216, "end": 2600.102, "text": "I'm not sure if this is quick technical or more appropriate for the back end.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 2600.214, "end": 2603.12, "text": "So feel free to say this is more appropriate for the back end.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 2603.361, "end": 2603.698, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 2604.662, "end": 2607.022, "text": "Thanks for the presentation, Tom.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 2607.086, "end": 2608.483, "text": "I just have a quick clarifying question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 2608.531, "end": 2617.992, "text": "So you sort of In this update, you indicated that there will be reporting the results of the data you'll be collecting every 3 years to the City Council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 2618.537, "end": 2621.07, "text": "And we wouldn't start this drawdown until 2036.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 2621.166, "end": 2627.049, "text": "And there was a sort of assertion that we have 75%, we're only utilizing 75%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 2627.178, "end": 2630.496, "text": "So there seems to indicate 25% surplus capacity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 2630.544, "end": 2650.641, "text": "So can you just walk us through why we wouldn't start that drawdown earlier if we've got that data that sort of shows yeah, because, um, in order to comply with the DEQ seismic stability program, they're going to have to take some of that capacity offline to do the seismic improvements.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 2651.634, "end": 2662.338, "text": "And so while that is coming offline, you know, think of it, take 20% offline, we still have enough to continue to supply the fuel we need to run the city.", "speaker": "Tom 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"cue-273", "start": 2707.949, "end": 2708.863, "text": "Okay, that, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 2708.959, "end": 2709.553, "text": "That clarifies.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 2709.617, "end": 2712.505, "text": "And you, you think they need until 2036 to do that?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 2713.146, "end": 2714.975, "text": "That is— you'll hear that is the state of the art.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 2715.216, "end": 2721.28, "text": "The state requirement, they'll— once their improvement plans are approved, they have 10 years to implement it.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 2721.81, "end": 2725.773, "text": "We expect those approvals actually to not come in until next year.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 2726.88, "end": 2733.169, "text": "So the '36 date is probably a 9-year improvement plan for the terminals.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 2733.522, "end": 2734.003, "text": "Okay, thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 2734.067, "end": 2736.297, "text": "I think that's about all I get for a quick clarifying.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 2736.554, "end": 2737.115, "text": "So thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 2737.693, "end": 2738.96, "text": "We will have more time for back and forth.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2739.025, "end": 2739.875, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2739.939, "end": 2740.501, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2741.366, "end": 2748.465, "text": "I just want to note that Svetlana Lazareva from DEQ is online in order to talk about DEQ's retrofit program.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2748.577, "end": 2749.25, "text": "She presents next.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2749.395, "end": 2751.734, "text": "Yes, but she has a hard stop at 3.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2752.039, "end": 2752.215, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2752.279, "end": 2757.631, "text": "So I'm actually begging my colleagues to save their questions for BPS till later because we can talk to them at any time.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2757.727, "end": 2758.24, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2758.288, "end": 2762.503, "text": "Well, actually, yeah, I will go ahead and I'll keep the folks in the queue as is.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2762.775, "end": 2765.243, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, then Koyama Lane, and then Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2765.323, "end": 2766.845, "text": "But we're going to go to DEQ next.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2766.926, "end": 2769.19, "text": "So thank you all.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2769.27, "end": 2773.332, "text": "We're going to now move to a presentation from Svetlana Lazarev.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2773.766, "end": 2775.05, "text": "I'm sorry, Svetlana.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2775.195, "end": 2775.227, "text": "Hi.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2776.255, "end": 2780.188, "text": "Seismic stability and hazardous waste manager with the Department of Environmental Quality.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2780.734, "end": 2786.081, "text": "You know, our legislation is at the city level, is in parallel and conversation with ongoing work at the state level.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2786.13, "end": 2795.105, "text": "And so as Councilor Novick had requested, Manager Lazarev is now here to present an update on the substance and status of these state actions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2795.509, "end": 2796.513, "text": "Take it away, Svetlana.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2798.439, "end": 2799.216, "text": "Good afternoon.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2800.462, "end": 2801.239, "text": "Can you see my slides?", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2802.689, "end": 2803.195, "text": "Yes, we can.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2803.685, "end": 2805.53, "text": "They're in presentation mode and everything?", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2807.016, "end": 2807.653, "text": "Everything looks good.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2808.702, "end": 2809.155, "text": "All right then.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2810.06, "end": 2810.917, "text": "Good afternoon again.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2811.273, "end": 2820.272, "text": "And for the record, my name is Svetlana Lazarev, and I manage the Fuel Tank Seismic Stability Program at the Department of Environmental Quality.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2821.021, "end": 2823.304, "text": "Our program is now entering its 4th year.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2823.984, "end": 2828.306, "text": "I appreciate the invitation to be here today and to provide you with a high-level update.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2828.99, "end": 2838.546, "text": "My goal is to cover essential context and key operational milestones that define our progress so far, and I have 10 slides to help me do that.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2840.365, "end": 2844.695, "text": "If there is time for clarifying questions, I would be happy to answer those.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2845.115, "end": 2845.502, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2848.842, "end": 2857.183, "text": "This slide highlights the primary cluster of fuel terminals within Northwest Portland's critical energy infrastructure hub.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2858.065, "end": 2867.321, "text": "The individual facilities are shown in orange along the river, while there are 4 additional facilities located outside this zone regulated by the program.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2867.69, "end": 2869.294, "text": "Our focus today is the CEI hub.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2870.112, "end": 2873.849, "text": "The facilities are built, like Tom said, on highly unstable ground.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2874.54, "end": 2883.376, "text": "Originally wetlands, now filled with dredged sediments, making them exceptionally prone to liquefaction and lateral spreading during a seismic event.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2884.227, "end": 2888.918, "text": "Compounding this geographic risk is the age of its infrastructure itself.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2889.465, "end": 2894.798, "text": "An overwhelming 98% of tanks were constructed prior to 1993.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2895.795, "end": 2905.009, "text": "And the year 1993 is important because it marks the first time building codes were updated to account for a Cascadia megaquake threat.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2907.7, "end": 2913.218, "text": "To address these vulnerabilities, Senate Bill 1567 established DEQ's Seismic Stability Program.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2913.928, "end": 2923.367, "text": "The facilities listed on the right are required to, required to submit comprehensive seismic vulnerability assessments to DEQ for review.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2924.561, "end": 2929.573, "text": "Following DEQ's approval, each facility must develop a targeted risk mitigation implementation plan.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2929.687, "end": 2929.898, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2931.06, "end": 2944.519, "text": "Once DEQ approves these mitigations, the facilities are mandated to fully implement their plans within a 1-year timeframe— I'm sorry, within a 10-year timeframe, ensuring transition toward a more resilient infrastructure.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2946.33, "end": 2959.027, "text": "The seismic vulnerability assessment is divided into 3 components: the soil geotechnical assessment, the structural evaluation, and the safety systems analysis.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2960.159, "end": 2964.833, "text": "In general, this is sequential and highly iterative engineering process.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2965.561, "end": 2974.713, "text": "The assessments begin by facilities geotechnical engineers characterizing the site soil and establishing baseline seismic forces.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2976.197, "end": 2988.046, "text": "Once the ground conditions are defined, facilities structural engineers evaluate structures and safety systems to see how they will withstand an earthquake allowing them to pinpoint specific structural deficiencies.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2989.04, "end": 2993.817, "text": "From there, the process loops to reconcile geotechnical and structural findings.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2994.651, "end": 3003.675, "text": "For example, facility geotechnical engineers may need to go back and do additional analysis or consider potential soil mitigation options.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 3004.429, "end": 3010.953, "text": "And structural engineers might consider how structures may be improved to withstand moving soil.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 3011.787, "end": 3014.903, "text": "DEQ does not prescribe assessment or mitigation methods.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 3015.24, "end": 3017.633, "text": "Those are up to facilities to consider and propose.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 3018.693, "end": 3027.349, "text": "DEQ engineering team performs rigorous peer 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"This slide is to give you a real-world example of this program in action.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 3139.08, "end": 3145.799, "text": "So this picture is from the Portland International Airport fuel facility, which has been uniquely ahead of the curve.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 3145.9, "end": 3151.519, "text": "Curve with their seismic vulnerability assessment and risk mitigation implementation plan.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 3152.499, "end": 3160.399, "text": "They began investigating the seismic vulnerability of their facility well before GQ's seismic stability program was formally established.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 3161.33, "end": 3167.945, "text": "Based on their initial assessment, their original plan was to replace 2 of the 3 existing tanks.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 3168.796, "end": 3177.204, "text": "However, once our program was established, Rigorous SVE criteria required them to push their engineering analysis a bit further.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 3177.835, "end": 3186.289, "text": "As a result of that deeper evaluation, they shifted their strategy and, and are now rebuilding all 3 tanks to meet risk category 4 standards.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 3191.844, "end": 3199.298, "text": "Looking at the program implementation timeline, they're currently in a phase of this intensive Analytical work.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 3200.005, "end": 3206.738, "text": "In-depth engineering assessments are happening at most of the CI facilities, each on its own timeline.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 3207.718, "end": 3217.231, "text": "A few seismic vulnerability assessments are scheduled to be submitted to DEQ before the end of this year, and the majority are slated for completion in 2027.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 3218.259, "end": 3223.128, "text": "Last July, we released a voluntary report, and it has information about all facilities' timelines.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 3223.192, "end": 3223.369, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 3224.958, "end": 3238.21, "text": "And based on this timeline, we anticipate the mitigation to last approximately through 2038 and maybe extend a few years beyond that.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 3241.272, "end": 3249.209, "text": "In the 2026 legislative session, lawmakers expanded our program's authority by passing House Bill 4100.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 3249.967, "end": 3255.247, "text": "We are currently in the middle of the rulemaking process to implement these new statutory requirements.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 3256.242, "end": 3272.416, "text": "This update centers entirely on financial assurance and requires facilities to obtain a certificate of financial responsibility from DEQ by demonstrating their capability to cover spill-related damages up to $300 million.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 3273.652, "end": 3289.03, "text": "A major focus of the ongoing stakeholder conversations is the process of how local municipalities, the city, and the county will be compensated for emergency response and cleanup expenses in the event of a major spill.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 3292.525, "end": 3301.926, "text": "The law requires at least equal participation of community, local governments, and regulated industry representatives on the Rules Advisory Committee.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 3302.632, "end": 3307.979, "text": "The City of Portland interests are represented by Tom Armstrong on the Rules Advisory Committee.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 3309.28, "end": 3311.736, "text": "And this is my last slide.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 3311.784, "end": 3325.561, "text": "And in closing, the progress we're able to make in seismic stability program is a direct result of the ongoing community, regulated industry, and local governments collaboration.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 3326.219, "end": 3327.536, "text": "And for that, we are—.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 3327.536, "end": 3327.825, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 3328.082, "end": 3329.03, "text": "Deeply grateful.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 3332.02, "end": 3340.756, "text": "And this is the end of my, um, prepared presentation, and if time allows, I'd be happy to answer clarifying questions.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 3341.433, "end": 3343.044, "text": "Thank you very much, Svetlana.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 3343.592, "end": 3347.124, "text": "Uh, colleagues who were in the queue for BPS staff, I will come back to you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 3347.172, "end": 3351.856, "text": "I just want to very quickly check and see if Councilor Clark— is your question for— okay, Councilor Novick, your question for Svetlana?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 3351.985, "end": 3352.228, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 3353.116, "end": 3354.069, "text": "Yes, thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 3354.296, "end": 3355.484, "text": "2 Quick questions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 3355.676, "end": 3359.289, "text": "Um, one, you were talking about how there's 2 options.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 3359.369, "end": 3365.182, "text": "One is to have a fancy new or renovated Category 4 tank, or to have something like a containment wall.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 3365.937, "end": 3371.861, "text": "And I was asking you earlier, how would a containment wall survive if there— it's on liquefied soil?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 3371.974, "end": 3373.291, "text": "And I think you said, well, it wouldn't.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 3373.339, "end": 3375.442, "text": "So that's why we're having to do soil mitigation.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 3375.522, "end": 3378.798, "text": "And I think you said that it's actually possible to, like, densify the soil.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 3378.878, "end": 3379.328, "text": "Is that right?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 3380.812, "end": 3381.572, "text": "It is possible.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 3384.99, "end": 3387.222, "text": "Methodologies to improve soil exist.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 3388.322, "end": 3402.03, "text": "And so those basically focus on improve— like making the soil denser, right, and improving drainage.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 3403.342, "end": 3408.819, "text": "We do not require that facilities do specific mitigation measures.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 3409.814, "end": 3415.702, "text": "We do not require that they do either soil mitigation or structure mitigation.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 3416.873, "end": 3436.905, "text": "They can consider their options, and their proposal has to show us that they— whatever setup they choose, whether they choose to improve the soil Or whether they choose to improve the situation on site in other ways.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 3437.483, "end": 3451.58, "text": "They just have to show us that they will either not spill more than 42 gallons per containment system or that any new construction they build is to risk category 4.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 3454.263, "end": 3454.617, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 3454.761, "end": 3466.62, "text": "And I think you might have already said this, but in terms of when you expect this process to be completed and the retrofits actually to be done, I think you might have said that's like 2038, 2040, somewhere like that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 3467.31, "end": 3480.766, "text": "I think, yeah, based on the current timeline, we anticipate all of the final comprehensive assessments be submitted by the end of 2027.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 3481.199, "end": 3493.001, "text": "Then the facilities have 6 months— well, DQ have a few months to review, and then facilities have 6 months, and at the end of the 6 months, the mitigation begins.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 3495.53, "end": 3495.901, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 3495.966, "end": 3497.355, "text": "Yes, 2038.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 3497.645, "end": 3504.98, "text": "I think it's realistic right now, potentially going a couple of years beyond that.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 3507.101, "end": 3508.575, "text": "Okay, thank you very much, Elana.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 3508.656, "end": 3512.38, "text": "I don't see anybody else in the queue for questions, so thank you for this information today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 3514.663, "end": 3515.294, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 3515.407, "end": 3523.615, "text": "I'd like to ask our BPS staff to come back up for a couple of— we have 3, uh, councilors who have some clarifying questions before we move on to our future, our, uh, additional panels.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 3524.2, "end": 3527.637, "text": "Uh, it'll be Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, followed by Koyama Lane, and then Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 3529.752, "end": 3530.879, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 3531.024, "end": 3537.902, "text": "And, um, before I move on, thank you, Svetlana, for bringing us the, the updates on how things are going at the state.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 3537.967, "end": 3538.579, "text": "I appreciate it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 3538.866, "end": 3550.115, "text": "For our BPS folks, I am wondering if the conversation was had about longer-term reductions after the 2036 point.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 3550.163, "end": 3553.079, "text": "I understand why you're looking at that for the first set of reductions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 3553.143, "end": 3558.656, "text": "Was there a conversation about stair-step reductions that continued past that?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 3559.393, "end": 3564.969, "text": "And if there was, why did we decide not to move in a longer-term direction?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 3568.678, "end": 3575.647, "text": "Yeah, so I think the further out we get with the forecasts, the more uncertainty there is.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 3576.948, "end": 3585.362, "text": "And we were very focused on all of the seismic upgrades and investments that the terminals are going to make over the next 10 years.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 3586.518, "end": 3589.232, "text": "So we really focused on that timeframe.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 3589.955, "end": 3596.596, "text": "And just given the uncertainty on those outer years, we just didn't go there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 3597.129, "end": 3615.049, "text": "And it sort of, I think, was in a— one of Councilor Novick's questions about reporting back in the interim reporting requirements, is that opportunity to make those adjustments if needed as we get more clarity on those out years.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 3615.87, "end": 3628.162, "text": "When you talk about clarity, it sounds like the decision was made based on a lack of clarity about what the natural reduction based on other policies would be, and therefore what we could reduce without increasing prices?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 3629.479, "end": 3629.896, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 3630.185, "end": 3630.458, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 3631.887, "end": 3643.48, "text": "And then you said that there was an exemption for regulated public utilities because there is one, it's one tank, it has a critical use for heating and safety in the winter.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 3644.477, "end": 3654.472, "text": "Are there other utilities or other uses that, um, that could qualify under that exemption?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 3654.666, "end": 3665.385, "text": "What I'm wondering is, is there a risk that a public utility could purchase a different property, a different tank, and that exemption could actually be expanded over time?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 3669.111, "end": 3678.2, "text": "I don't know of any Public utilities that are in the liquid fuel business or would get into the liquid fuel business.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 3678.537, "end": 3689.511, "text": "As a public utility, they have to go through the Public Utility Commission with their integrated resource plans every 7 years.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 3689.703, "end": 3690.393, "text": "State definition?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 3690.826, "end": 3691.131, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 3691.452, "end": 3691.725, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3691.853, "end": 3720.337, "text": "And do we have— is the exemption for current tanks for public utilities, meaning Northwest Natural couldn't expand their capacity on site in other spaces, or is it just an exemption for— is it just an exemption for that location, or is it an exemption for their work anywhere in the CEI have more broadly?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3722.71, "end": 3725.116, "text": "Uh, it is an exemption.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3727.069, "end": 3727.505, "text": "Let's see.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 3727.893, "end": 3728.829, "text": "Reduction program, right?", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 3730.008, "end": 3730.121, "text": "Only?", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3730.314, "end": 3736.289, "text": "Well, as it— so it applies to bulk fuel terminals anywhere in the city.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 3736.611, "end": 3737.239, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 3737.464, "end": 3762.679, "text": "Um, at that site, um, under current rules, uh, they are prohibited from expanding their fossil fuel These new rules would prevent them from an expansion of storage capacity and transloading capacity for renewable gas, something that met the terms of renewable.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 3762.743, "end": 3769.125, "text": "Not exempt from the expansion, they're just exempt from the reduction, or they're not exempt from the prohibition on expansion.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 3769.221, "end": 3771.611, "text": "They are subject to the limits on expansion.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 3772.188, "end": 3780.631, "text": "We're saying in terms of the reduction, so they can't expand, Even for renewable gas under these new rules.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 3781.294, "end": 3788.534, "text": "And, and then the— that leaves them with the existing tank that would be exempt from the reduction only.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 3788.63, "end": 3794.19, "text": "I thought they were exempt from the limitation on expansion as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3794.35, "end": 3795.286, "text": "Thank you for clarifying.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3795.48, "end": 3795.561, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3796.273, "end": 3796.645, "text": "Thank you, Claire.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3796.839, "end": 3797.631, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3798.537, "end": 3802.095, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane has said she will come back at the end, so we'll go to Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3803.093, "end": 3804.535, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3804.615, "end": 3805.769, "text": "Um, thank you for the presentation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3805.817, "end": 3809.07, "text": "Just a couple of, um, questions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3809.246, "end": 3811.377, "text": "First, about the Eco Northwest evaluation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3811.425, "end": 3814.454, "text": "I just— what, um, is tank turn rates?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3814.71, "end": 3815.383, "text": "What does that mean?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3816.793, "end": 3824.677, "text": "Yeah, um, and what that means is, uh, how often do they fill up a tank, empty it, and fill it again?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3825.446, "end": 3833.29, "text": "And that, that really determines the, the amount of fuel that can— the volume of fuel that can move through the system.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3834.029, "end": 3854.42, "text": "And so what we were looking at is how much fuel is— we think is moving through the system today and how that changes over time and how fast can they move that through and sort of trying to— that determines the overall capacity of the hub.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3854.517, "end": 3854.597, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3856.029, "end": 3860.928, "text": "And so we were— that tank turn rate becomes a key assumption.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3861.527, "end": 3861.575, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3861.688, "end": 3871.899, "text": "It also is one that— and I think Eco Northwest and Parametrics both, we could use more data to be able to really calibrate.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3873.45, "end": 3880.149, "text": "We think that the 12, the monthly, each tank gets filled up and emptied on average a month.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3881.209, "end": 3885.834, "text": "That, that, that is a pretty good assumption to base it on for now.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3886.669, "end": 3909.475, "text": "As part of the reduction program, in addition to the tank inventory, we're asking the terminals to report 3 years of actual monthly flow data so that we could better calibrate that aspect of the, of the, the model, and that we would report back to you for any calibration adjustment.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3909.523, "end": 3909.635, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3910.116, "end": 3910.469, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3910.533, "end": 3913.805, "text": "Is there anything that requires them to provide that to us?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3915.008, "end": 3916.547, "text": "Not currently today.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3917.029, "end": 3919.803, "text": "This program would require that reporting.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3920.878, "end": 3928.864, "text": "We've seen inconsistent data reported both to the State Fire Marshal's Office and to DEQ as part of the air quality permitting.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3929.858, "end": 3935.359, "text": "This again would just provide that consistency across all 11 terminals.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3935.777, "end": 3939.569, "text": "So we really understand how the fuel is flowing through the system.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3939.987, "end": 3941.529, "text": "It seems really, really important.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3941.577, "end": 3946.301, "text": "And the air quality issue aside, someday we ought to talk about that too, but that's a whole other issue.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3947.04, "end": 3949.418, "text": "Another question about the Eco Northwest evaluation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3949.531, "end": 3951.218, "text": "We talk about that feedback loop.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3951.282, "end": 3953.756, "text": "That's the very last bullet.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3953.805, "end": 3957.773, "text": "Sustained fuel price increases also tend to accelerate behavior changes.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3958.432, "end": 3961.196, "text": "Did they provide any detail around that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3961.26, "end": 3974.298, "text": "Because I remember that when there was a calculation sometime back at TriMet that when gasoline prices hit $5 a gallon, there was an equivalent increase in transit ridership.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3974.747, "end": 3979.034, "text": "And I know transit ridership has gone up slightly here recently, but did they dig into that at all?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3979.468, "end": 3980.287, "text": "No, they did not.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3980.592, "end": 3986.902, "text": "They just provided— acknowledged that that feedback loop exists, but nothing to quantify.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3988.153, "end": 3989.516, "text": "What we might forecast there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3989.612, "end": 3990.719, "text": "I think it's important.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3990.879, "end": 3991.055, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3991.103, "end": 3995.465, "text": "Just skip to the key issues list that you have for Oregon.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3995.529, "end": 4000.05, "text": "I just wanted to know, how did you assess the statewide issues?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 4000.099, "end": 4001.943, "text": "Who did you talk to about that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 4002.023, "end": 4004.508, "text": "How did you ascertain that list?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 4005.727, "end": 4015.379, "text": "So various state agencies, particularly the Department of Energy, and we cite one of their energy— recent energy strategies.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 4015.812, "end": 4023.054, "text": "Documents as, as, you know, one piece of evidence showing an expected decline in liquid fuel demand.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 4023.825, "end": 4026.586, "text": "But primarily we've engaged with the Department of Energy.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 4027.534, "end": 4029.75, "text": "We've heard from the Department of Aviation.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 4030.328, "end": 4038.067, "text": "We've heard from other airports throughout Oregon that get their jet fuel from the CI Hub.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 4039.56, "end": 4044.242, "text": "And You know, that, that's been the primary contact.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 4044.387, "end": 4047.864, "text": "And not an economic development agency or DEQ or—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 4049.034, "end": 4057.494, "text": "Well, we've, we've engaged with DEQ, you know, trying to make sure we're compatible with the seismic stability program and, and those responsibilities.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 4058.231, "end": 4068.73, "text": "Um, I can't recall if we've received anything from Business Oregon as of yet, um, but I think the general thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 4068.874, "end": 4085.332, "text": "The other theme has been, and from a few state legislature— legislators that have inquired, is a perception that somehow these limits and reduction would result in fuel shortages for the rest of the state.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 4085.91, "end": 4092.574, "text": "And what we've tried to show with these fuel forecasts is that won't be the case, or we don't think that that will be the case.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 4094.289, "end": 4094.725, "text": "Thanks, Tom.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 4096.08, "end": 4096.968, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 4097.517, "end": 4098.146, "text": "Uh, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 4100, "end": 4100.863, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 4102.373, "end": 4105.305, "text": "Um, just another quick question, uh, Tom.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 4105.982, "end": 4116.305, "text": "Um, maybe it's not quick, I don't know, but, um, can you give me a sense of the time period by which the demand forecasts were being developed for this, the fuel demand forecasts?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 4117.738, "end": 4118.817, "text": "Um, yes.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 4119.116, "end": 4130.622, "text": "So last summer-fall, we worked with Parametrics on the initial fuel demand forecast.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 4131.404, "end": 4133.018, "text": "We went through the Planning Commission process.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 4134.26, "end": 4138.052, "text": "We just delivered yesterday an update to the Parametrics.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 4138.791, "end": 4146.565, "text": "When we got out into the community, particularly around the proposed reduction, Um, rules.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 4147.304, "end": 4153.681, "text": "Uh, some of the feedback we've got is like, gee, you know, are there more recent forecasts have come out?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 4153.809, "end": 4154.195, "text": "We should—.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 4154.307, "end": 4159.543, "text": "There's— there was now 2024 data available from the federal government.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 4160.074, "end": 4173.942, "text": "Um, and, and then I think most importantly, um, we know that a certain amount, a certain segment of fuel, it's about 10% of the fuel goes through the hub and then goes upriver.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 4175.459, "end": 4187.659, "text": "But what we heard from them, and we got a contact and a source from the Army Corps of Engineers that allowed us to quantify that fuel flow going upriver.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 4188.24, "end": 4196.373, "text": "And at that point, we re-engaged Parametrics this summer to update their model to include that.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 4196.958, "end": 4204.527, "text": "And those adjustments and adjustments for more recent population growth forecasts to plug that all into the model.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 4206.02, "end": 4214.943, "text": "I think all that, in addition to that, we made adjustments, 2 adjustments on the storage side.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 4215.072, "end": 4222.815, "text": "One is we discovered that the Northwest Natural tank was part of the calculation, so we pulled that out.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 4223.517, "end": 4240.467, "text": "But we also brought online the Zenith crude oil storage because it's planned to be— they're planned to get off out of the crude oil business next October, and that that capacity would be available for fuel.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 4240.611, "end": 4245.47, "text": "And so all of those changes, we sort of wound up in the same place.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 4246.368, "end": 4263.687, "text": "And the numbers you saw today, you know, going from 75% to 91% efficiency reflect all of those model updates, which is, you know, sort of like why we stand by our work and our recommendation of that 20% reduction.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 4264.667, "end": 4269.869, "text": "I appreciate that clarification, and I'm a little bit familiar with the parametric style modeling.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 4270.286, "end": 4278.109, "text": "Um, sort of like, it's almost like, here's your topology of the total demand across all these industries.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 4278.45, "end": 4282.705, "text": "Here's what your assumption for growth rate is, and then you let the model solve for how much fuel you need.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 4285.609, "end": 4293.375, "text": "I think that— so 2024 is sort of like the update of the end of the data period where you're training the model on the data.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 4295.351, "end": 4301.81, "text": "Where I'm going with this is all that happens before February of 2026, which is when a conflict starts in the Gulf.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 4301.907, "end": 4302.005, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 4302.971, "end": 4307.277, "text": "Which more or less doubles jet fuel prices dramatically.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 4309.276, "end": 4324.853, "text": "It's a— and, you know, I guess there's a question of how long does that last, but I'm just trying to sort of level set, make sure that recent experience, that doesn't change the fundamentals of the model, or is it something that's just kind of like, well, who could possibly forecast geopolitical conflict?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 4325.999, "end": 4336.565, "text": "I think it's more of that, and the fact that the available data to us And, you know, federal government 2024 data.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 4337.146, "end": 4347.688, "text": "I think the actually having the terminals report directly to us the last 3 years of the data might give us some insight.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 4348.4, "end": 4355.842, "text": "I think that's also why in the ordinance we have the report back to you all in 2028 and 2031.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 4355.891, "end": 4356.759, "text": "I think the last 3 years is a little bit late.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 4357.196, "end": 4367.043, "text": "So that we can continue to monitor how these events beyond our control are influencing the demand for fuels.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 4367.3, "end": 4367.636, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 4367.877, "end": 4372.817, "text": "And I just want to be crystal clear, as a person who used to forecast things, I am not being critical of your methods.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 4373.554, "end": 4374.645, "text": "It's really hard.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 4374.837, "end": 4376.104, "text": "You've got a robust approach.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 4377.179, "end": 4384.875, "text": "What I'm trying to do now is sort of tie together the potential change in the structure of that market.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 4385.051, "end": 4389.89, "text": "It might be a sort of thing for us to think about as a body when we contemplate fuel demand.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 4390.547, "end": 4392.166, "text": "I think that, that's it for now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 4392.31, "end": 4392.502, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 4392.727, "end": 4393.624, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 4393.672, "end": 4394.249, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 4394.65, "end": 4405.466, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to flag, since you talked about the Department of Energy, that the Department of Energy submitted a couple of letters expressing some concerns about our approach, and we can maybe get into that later, but I just wanted to note that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 4406.107, "end": 4406.62, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 4407.565, "end": 4408.719, "text": "Okay, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 4409.538, "end": 4414.131, "text": "To the BPS staff, uh, you're welcome to go sit down, but don't go too far because we will need you a little later.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 4414.838, "end": 4422.018, "text": "Um, colleagues, we're now going to enter a 3-section panel, uh, from interested and engaged external advocates on this topic.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 4422.146, "end": 4425.133, "text": "These groups have been actively engaged in this legislation for many months.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 4425.696, "end": 4430.048, "text": "In the interest of public transparency, we've invited a balanced panel to express their perspectives on the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 4430.755, "end": 4441.803, "text": "To be clear, council will continue to take public testimony on these items at our hearing on September 24th at 2:00 PM, where all individuals are encouraged to share their perspectives and opinions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 4443.12, "end": 4446.588, "text": "We are first going to hear from a coalition of environmental groups for 20 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 4446.733, "end": 4455.002, "text": "We will then hear from a representative from the Portland Metro Chamber for 10 minutes, and we will close with a presentation from the Western States Petroleum Association for 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 4455.724, "end": 4458.695, "text": "We will limit Q&A on these presentations to clarifying questions also.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 4458.92, "end": 4470.153, "text": "We will then take a 15-minute break To use the restroom and then return back to open council discussion with BPS staff available for questions.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 4470.411, "end": 4474.284, "text": "I'm going to turn it over to Councilor Green for a couple of introductory remarks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 4476.35, "end": 4480.246, "text": "Thank you so much, and thanks for accommodating this, this style and format.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 4480.457, "end": 4482.218, "text": "I think it's really good for public process.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 4482.862, "end": 4493.59, "text": "I just want to thank the bureau and the community coalition for spending the entire summer and beyond actually Probably decades here, through a deep engagement in this planning process.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 4493.73, "end": 4494.74, "text": "The stakes are really high.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 4495.11, "end": 4497.19, "text": "And so you guys have all been really committed to it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 4498.11, "end": 4499, "text": "I look forward to this conversation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 4500.67, "end": 4506.01, "text": "And as Eli Spivak from the Planning Commission suggested, the ball's in our court now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 4506.11, "end": 4512.31, "text": "And so if we want to contemplate amendments that strengthen the proposal, I'm going to be very curious in bringing those forward.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 4512.33, "end": 4513.48, "text": "So thank you so much.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 4513.61, "end": 4514.17, "text": "And I look forward to the discussion.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 4514.17, "end": 4514.21, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 4514.367, "end": 4515.509, "text": "Yeah, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 4515.911, "end": 4522.54, "text": "I'd like to invite up Marnie Glickman, Heather King, David Labbe, Jamarion Malley, and Nikki Mandel to the dais.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 4523.77, "end": 4525.422, "text": "Y'all have 20 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 4531.236, "end": 4533.395, "text": "My notes don't say y'all, I said that part.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 4535.378, "end": 4535.774, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 4566.655, "end": 4568.066, "text": "Sorry, technical difficulties.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 4568.163, "end": 4569.622, "text": "Oh, all good.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 4569.767, "end": 4570.312, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 4570.649, "end": 4570.986, "text": "Take it away.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 4571.612, "end": 4573.008, "text": "Uh, good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 4573.072, "end": 4576.826, "text": "Thank you for the opportunity to be here today and present this, uh, to you.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 4577.387, "end": 4578.334, "text": "My name is Heather King.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 4578.43, "end": 4582.713, "text": "I'm the co-executive director and Lower Willamette Riverkeeper at Willamette Riverkeeper.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 4583.724, "end": 4588.457, "text": "And my name is Dr. Cherie Spock, and I'm the climate policy director at 350 PDX.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 4589.018, "end": 4597.604, "text": "And we also have a panel of experts here with us who have kind of done a deep dive on some of the different areas of this policy, as well as a lawyer from Crag Law Center.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 4597.7, "end": 4608.911, "text": "So we have Marnie Glickman from Braided River Campaign, Nikki Mandel, and David Labbe from the CEI Hub Task Force, and we also have Eric Riston from Crag Law Center to answer questions.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 4610.051, "end": 4621.439, "text": "We're here today on behalf of the CEI Hub Community Coalition to talk about the amendments that we're asking you to include in the final CEI Hub policy package.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 4622.279, "end": 4628.556, "text": "We have asked several members of council to formally bring forward these amendments for consideration and adoption.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 4629.3, "end": 4635.052, "text": "But before we get into the amendments themselves, we want to start at a place I think we can all agree.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 4638.06, "end": 4653.829, "text": "Portland's comprehensive plan is built around 5 guiding principles: economic prosperity and human health, environmental health, resilience, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 4656.131, "end": 4666.37, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 4667.338, "end": 4673.174, "text": "I'm pleased to be here today to talk about the proposed ordinance.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 4673.863, "end": 4676.075, "text": "And this is how we accomplish this together.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 4677.23, "end": 4680.966, "text": "As one of our coalition members often reminds us, unity makes us stronger.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 4682.281, "end": 4691.229, "text": "And that's really the story of this coalition— community coming together, finding common ground, and using our collective voice to 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Oregon continues to have what it needs.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 4765.462, "end": 4768.491, "text": "And we believe the way to do that is through data, not guesswork.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 4769.87, "end": 4776.587, "text": "Decisions about reducing or modifying increasing fuel storage should be based on the best available verifiable data.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 4777.42, "end": 4787.529, "text": "City policy should align with related state regulations, and City Council should retain oversight of major decisions with meaningful opportunities for public participation.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 4789.47, "end": 4790.68, "text": "Those aren't radical principles.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 4791.825, "end": 4799.477, "text": "Safety, good data, regulatory consistency, public accountability, and making sure Oregon has the 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"Economic prosperity, human health, environmental health, resilience, and equity.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4903.56, "end": 4905.932, "text": "That brings us to the comprehensive plan amendments.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4906.803, "end": 4910.854, "text": "Our first request is really about establishing a shared starting point.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4911.564, "end": 4915.223, "text": "The CEI hub presents 2 realities that are widely acknowledged.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4915.674, "end": 4916.447, "text": "It's vulnerable.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4917.059, "end": 4923.666, "text": "A tremendous amount of flammable, combustible, and toxic material is concentrated on Portland's waterfront.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4924.228, "end": 4930.663, "text": "It's on liquefiable soils, subject to multiple natural hazards, and much of it is an aging infrastructure.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4931.594, "end": 4933.536, "text": "And it's also economically significant.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4933.937, "end": 4941.928, "text": "The hub currently holds the vast majority of Oregon's liquid fuel supply and plays an important role in both Portland and Oregon's economies.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4943.164, "end": 4945.989, "text": "Both of these things can be and are true.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4947.096, "end": 4951.657, "text": "Our amendment simply asks the comprehensive plan to state that clearly.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4952.967, "end": 4969.664, "text": "From that shared understanding, we can talk honestly about the challenge ahead: reducing risk and fuel storage over time, strengthening emergency 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"speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 5006.278, "end": 5011.496, "text": "In other words, don't just name the risk, build the policy foundation to reduce it.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 5012.7, "end": 5026.043, "text": "That is why we support stronger language throughout this section, moving from passive words like support and recognize to more directive words like reduce, mitigate, prohibit, and implement.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 5028.756, "end": 5032.832, "text": "Now we move from the comprehensive plan into the zoning code amendments.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 5033.972, "end": 5036.106, "text": "The first zoning issue is definition.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 5037.277, "end": 5038.626, "text": "Our position is straightforward.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 5039.187, "end": 5048.222, "text": "If a product stored at the hub poses danger because it is flammable, combustible, and/or toxic, city policy should regulate that danger consistently.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 5048.976, "end": 5059.132, "text": "That means using the same definition of fuel in Title 33 and Title 17 And aligning that definition with the state DEQ fuel tank seismic stability definition.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 5060.049, "end": 5063.009, "text": "This is not about expanding regulation for the sake of regulation.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 5063.82, "end": 5069.743, "text": "It is about making sure flammable and combustible products at the hub do not fall through the definitional cracks.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 5072.12, "end": 5073.677, "text": "The next amendment is about consistency.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 5074.876, "end": 5078.078, "text": "Right now, the proposal uses multiple review pathways.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 5078.996, "end": 5084.069, "text": "We're asking for one inclusive review protocol for tank and transloading development.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 5085.264, "end": 5092.615, "text": "Whether something is called new construction, an upgrade, a retrofit, or an expansion, the same core questions should apply.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 5094.16, "end": 5096.828, "text": "Does it meet the highest seismic design standard?", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 5098.275, "end": 5103.519, "text": "Is there verified evidence of unmet need in Oregon and the existing Columbia River service area?", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 5104.631, "end": 5107.468, "text": "Does it avoid increasing total fuel capacity at the hub?", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 5107.613, "end": 5107.855, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 5109.175, "end": 5112.716, "text": "Does it provide a clear public benefit using defined criteria?", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 5113.987, "end": 5118.518, "text": "That is what sensible policy looks like: clear standards applied consistently.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 5121.47, "end": 5123.967, "text": "This slide follows directly from the last one.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 5124.644, "end": 5130.42, "text": "If the goal is risk reduction, the policy should not preserve unnecessary pathways to expansion.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 5132.072, "end": 5133.528, "text": "The coalition is asking the council.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 5133.992, "end": 5141.577, "text": "To remove special exemptions for storage tank capacity transfer, transloading expansion, and aviation fuel expansion.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 5142.716, "end": 5150.317, "text": "If there is a legitimate unmet need, expansion can still be considered through the inclusive review protocol we just described.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 5151.552, "end": 5158.384, "text": "What we're asking council to remove are the separate exemptions that allow expansion outside that consistent review.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 5158.721, "end": 5159.459, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 5159.892, "end": 5168.561, "text": "Because otherwise we risk adopting a policy that says risk reduction on one page while creating exceptions that can increase risk on another.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 5169.723, "end": 5172.723, "text": "We're asking for policy that reduces risk across the board.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 5175.36, "end": 5177.155, "text": "The next amendment is about public notice.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 5178.52, "end": 5185.215, "text": "Communities that may be affected by toxic releases or increased fuel transportation should know when major proposals are moving forward.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 5186.05, "end": 5199.453, "text": "The coalition is asking to expand neighborhood contact requirements to include additional neighborhoods, community coalitions, educational institutions, Portland Public Schools, and an open-access newspaper of record.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 5201.128, "end": 5203.028, "text": "This is where equity shows up in the process.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 5204.23, "end": 5208.244, "text": "People cannot meaningfully participate in decisions they do not know are happening.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 5208.486, "end": 5209.275, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 5210.968, "end": 5219.39, "text": "Our next section is about fuel reduction, and I want to pause here because this is where our position is most likely to be mischaracterized.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 5219.92, "end": 5223.032, "text": "We are not asking Council to create fuel shortages.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 5223.706, "end": 5231.776, "text": "We are asking for smart, data-driven drawdown that reduces risk, increases safety, and makes sure that Oregon has what it needs.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 5233.027, "end": 5236.509, "text": "So let's start with what we mean by a smart drawdown.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 5237.343, "end": 5244.383, "text": "The city proposal calls for a one-time across-the-board 20% reduction in tank shell capacity by 2036.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 5245.121, "end": 5252.514, "text": "We support the goal of reducing risk, but we believe the reduction itself should be based on what the data actually tells us Oregon needs.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 5253.204, "end": 5256.347, "text": "The facilities will be reporting tank data.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 5257.229, "end": 5259.635, "text": "The state of Oregon has fuel consumption data.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 5260.277, "end": 5260.95, "text": "Let's use it.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 5261.8, "end": 5265.906, "text": "Compare what is actually being stored at the hub with what Oregon is actually consuming.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 5265.97, "end": 5266.579, "text": "Councilmember Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 5267.014, "end": 5272.062, "text": "And use that information to identify opportunities to safely reduce excess storage.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 5272.885, "end": 5280.821, "text": "And let me emphasize again, any reduction must ensure that Oregon continues to have the transportation fuel it needs.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 5281.5, "end": 5282.842, "text": "That's not a competing goal.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 5283.36, "end": 5285.431, "text": "That's part of what makes this a responsible drawdown.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 5287.02, "end": 5291.053, "text": "This distinction between tank capacity and actual fuel volume is important.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 5291.85, "end": 5307.069, "text": "Under the city's proposal, Facilities will already be required to report both their built tank capacities and information about how those tanks are actually being used, including monthly throughput and average and peak fill levels by fuel type.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 5307.84, "end": 5309.172, "text": "Those are not the same thing.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 5310.088, "end": 5313.444, "text": "A tank's built capacity tells us how much it could hold.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 5314.022, "end": 5320.189, "text": "The fill data tells us how much is actually being stored in the tanks on average over a 3-year period.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 5321.184, "end": 5327.245, "text": "If our goal is actually to reduce risk without creating shortages, we need both pieces of information.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 5328.64, "end": 5332.056, "text": "Our amendment creates a straightforward iterative process.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 5332.794, "end": 5338.47, "text": "After facilities submit their data, BPS would prepare a fuel reduction plan report for City Council.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 5339.368, "end": 5346.889, "text": "That report would compare actual facility data with Oregon fuel consumption data, including looking at different fuel types.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 5347.322, "end": 5353.948, "text": "Gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, and other fuel types, because demand isn't necessarily the same for each.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 5354.783, "end": 5361.2, "text": "BPS would then identify whether additional storage reductions are possible and bring a proposal back to City Council for approval.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 5362.179, "end": 5366.174, "text": "So this isn't an arbitrary percentage established today and applied forever.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 5366.815, "end": 5373.416, "text": "It's a recurring process that allows the city to respond in— to real-world changes in fuel use Over time.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 5374.357, "end": 5379.532, "text": "As Oregon's needs change, the data changes, and the city decisions should change with it.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 5381.42, "end": 5383.93, "text": "And there are important safeguards built into that process.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 5384.594, "end": 5390.163, "text": "First, and again, fuel reductions may not result in Oregon fuel shortages.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 5390.678, "end": 5399.95, "text": "Second, reductions can be considered by individual fuel type across fuels collectively, so the process can respond to actual differences in demand.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 5401.083, "end": 5408.987, "text": "Third, the city would take into account reductions already planned through the facility's state-approved risk mitigation improvement plan.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 5409.678, "end": 5412.571, "text": "We don't need the city and state working at cross purposes.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 5413.89, "end": 5423.608, "text": "And finally, these— finally, these decisions come back to City Council with public notification and an opportunity for public testimony.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 5424.218, "end": 5425.239, "text": "That's important to us.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 5425.453, "end": 5425.585, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 5426.119, "end": 5433.774, "text": "As fuel use changes, there will be decisions to make about how much storage Oregon needs and how much risk Portland should continue to carry.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 5434.936, "end": 5441.926, "text": "Those decisions should be made transparently using real data with council oversight and a public voice in the process.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 5444.82, "end": 5449.097, "text": "This amendment gets at what we actually mean when we use the word reduction.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 5450.259, "end": 5457.294, "text": "Under the current proposal, There's a problem with that.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 5457.972, "end": 5468.447, "text": "If that tank was sitting largely empty to begin with, taking it out of service may reduce theoretical storage capacity without meaningfully reducing the amount of fuel actually stored at the hub.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 5469.189, "end": 5471.739, "text": "And that's not the outcome any of us are trying to achieve.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 5472.56, "end": 5476.964, "text": "Our amendment defines reduction based on decreasing the average monthly volume of fuel stored at the tank.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 5477.046, "end": 5477.566, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 5478.699, "end": 5486.524, "text": "Whether that's accomplished by taking tanks out of service or reducing their allowed working capacity, because ultimately this is about safety.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 5487.37, "end": 5490.054, "text": "A reduction on paper doesn't reduce risk.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 5490.475, "end": 5493.434, "text": "Less hazardous fuel physically present at the hub does.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 5496.379, "end": 5499.243, "text": "You'll recognize this amendment from the zoning code discussion.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 5500.16, "end": 5504.585, "text": "We're asking for the same definition of fuel here in Title 17 that we asked for in Title 18.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 5508.88, "end": 5525.12, "text": "And finally, accountability.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 5525.12, "end": 5529.32, "text": "If we're going to establish these requirements, they need to have some teeth.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 5530.1, "end": 5533.64, "text": "The current proposal says that the city administrator may establish requirements for fuel tank seismic stability.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 5533.64, "end": 5533.68, "text": "Thank Impose you.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 5534.07, "end": 5539.168, "text": "Penalties when a terminal fails to comply or misrepresents the required information.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 5539.827, "end": 5543.397, "text": "We're asking you to change one very important word.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 5544.66, "end": 5546.637, "text": "Change may to shall.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 5547.344, "end": 5553.664, "text": "If compliance with these safety requirements is mandatory, enforcement for noncompliance shouldn't be optional.", "speaker": "Heather King" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 5556.64, "end": 5559.734, "text": "And so in closing, I want to bring us back to where we started.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 5560.724, "end": 5569.446, "text": "The 5 guiding principles in the comprehensive plan: economic prosperity, human health, environmental health, resilience, and equity.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 5570.763, "end": 5573.622, "text": "We believe the amendments we're suggesting advance all 5.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 5574.778, "end": 5578.681, "text": "We're not asking Portland to choose between Portland's safety and Oregon's economy.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 5579.436, "end": 5582.552, "text": "We're asking for a policy smart enough to protect both.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 5582.793, "end": 5589.018, "text": "We're asking you to prevent new risk While addressing the risk that already exists.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 5590.172, "end": 5600.093, "text": "We're asking for a smart, responsible drawdown of fuel storage driven by actual data, responsive to Oregon's fuel needs, and capable of adapting as those needs change.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 5601.006, "end": 5607.032, "text": "And we're asking for transparency, accountability, and a meaningful community voice in the decisions that come next.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 5608.138, "end": 5616.039, "text": "More than 20 organizations and concerned community members have spent well over a year doing the hard work of finding common ground around these recommendations.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 5616.103, "end": 5616.215, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 5616.874, "end": 5621.98, "text": "We ask you to take that work seriously and incorporate these amendments into the final policy package.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 5623.441, "end": 5624.838, "text": "Unity makes us stronger.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 5626.026, "end": 5630.618, "text": "We believe these amendments make Portland stronger, safer, and better prepared for the future.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 5631.485, "end": 5634.985, "text": "Thank you, and we're happy to turn it over to the rest of the panel for your questions.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 5635.804, "end": 5636.72, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 5636.8, "end": 5642.685, "text": "If we— this is not an opportunity for debate, but if you have any questions, clarifying questions or comments, This would be a good time.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 5647.73, "end": 5649.305, "text": "Councilor Novick and then Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 5651.41, "end": 5666.687, "text": "Yeah, I mean, um, there's a big difference in approach between reducing the amount of fuel and reducing the number of tanks, and I was just wondering if you had had conversations with the BPS staff about why they were going with number of tanks as opposed to amount of fuel.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 5669.078, "end": 5669.978, "text": "Sure, I can take that one.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 5671.006, "end": 5676.212, "text": "We've had multiple conversations, actually very productive conversations with BPS, Tom Armstrong and his crew.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 5677.514, "end": 5680.406, "text": "I think it's a difference in philosophy perhaps.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 5681.434, "end": 5684.311, "text": "Basically, we are both reducing capacity.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 5684.986, "end": 5686.689, "text": "It's just how you reduce capacity.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 5687.171, "end": 5687.331, "text": "So—.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 5688.022, "end": 5688.826, "text": "You need to introduce yourself.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 5689.228, "end": 5690.722, "text": "Oh, for the record, I'm David Labbe.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 5690.77, "end": 5691.14, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 5693.983, "end": 5700.804, "text": "BPS, I mean, take this as a tank with Stumptown diesel in it.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 5702.104, "end": 5703.26, "text": "So this tank is half full.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 5703.87, "end": 5709.359, "text": "So, and in fact, from the data we get from the fire marshal, most tanks are around 40%.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 5709.953, "end": 5716.517, "text": "We don't know how accurate that data is, but if you look at the air quality submissions as well, tanks are not always filled to the top.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 5716.774, "end": 5722.921, "text": "They're built, they're built, capacity is not what their actually filled capacity is.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 5723.13, "end": 5727.896, "text": "So what BPS is saying is we need to reduce the built capacity, right?", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 5728.394, "end": 5731.507, "text": "So let's say you did a 20% reduction in built capacity.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 5732.807, "end": 5734.315, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 5735.15, "end": 5735.904, "text": "It looks like this.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 5736.899, "end": 5737.814, "text": "So what does that tell you?", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 5738.199, "end": 5741.65, "text": "That tells you that you could actually increase your fuel, right?", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 5741.89, "end": 5755.941, "text": "And that's the problem, is that we could, we could create a 20% reduction or an X percent reduction, and there could actually be— of capacity, i.e., the size of the tanks— and there could actually be an increase in the fuel.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 5757.032, "end": 5766.477, "text": "Now, the major issue for us is on the day that whatever catastrophe happens, the risk that we're speaking about is the amount of fuel in the tanks.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 5766.669, "end": 5768.193, "text": "It's not the size of the tanks.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 5768.738, "end": 5770.807, "text": "It's what's in the fuel, what's in the tanks.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 5771.4, "end": 5771.929, "text": "And so— I agree.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 5772.122, "end": 5782.317, "text": "Because the facilities will be reporting, as the current proposal from BPS specifies, the average fuel and actually the peak fuel levels in the tanks.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 5783.183, "end": 5786.982, "text": "They— we will be able to know over time how much these tanks are filled.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 5787.816, "end": 5797.819, "text": "And based on that, we will be able to titrate that with the data we have from the state to know whether a possibility of a fuel reduction is possible.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 5798.252, "end": 5799.631, "text": "Is feasible.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 5800.256, "end": 5804.634, "text": "Furthermore, I mean, they mentioned the fact that the RMIPs would be coming online.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 5805.067, "end": 5808.225, "text": "Those RMIPs will be published and public data.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 5808.77, "end": 5819.545, "text": "So if a company says, we're going to take this out of commission in 2 years, there's no reason why the fuel reduction program could say, in 2 years, we know that's going to go out of commission.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 5819.898, "end": 5821.004, "text": "We do not need to wait.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 5821.597, "end": 5826.247, "text": "So they are proposing that every 3 years they make a report to you all.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 5826.311, "end": 5826.407, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 5826.857, "end": 5831.047, "text": "We're saying you have all the data, you have the RMIP data.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 5832.252, "end": 5840.97, "text": "If there's a possibility for a fuel reduction that does not harm, does not create shortages of fuel, why wouldn't we do it?", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 5841.227, "end": 5847.505, "text": "Why would we wait till 2036 when we could do it in 2027, in 2030, et cetera?", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 5848.212, "end": 5851.632, "text": "I think it's also a much safer approach because it's iterative.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 5851.68, "end": 5851.744, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 5852.467, "end": 5860.442, "text": "And the other advantage of taking fuel, of actually lowering the average fuel, is that it makes the tanks safer.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 5861.373, "end": 5864.262, "text": "Every tank— I mean, when you buy a cup of coffee, you don't fill it to the top.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 5864.823, "end": 5873.232, "text": "So every tank has basically a safety margin just because of fumes and for seismic, for sloshing.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5874.05, "end": 5879.009, "text": "What we're saying is we want the city council to increase the safety margin.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5879.057, "end": 5879.105, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5879.442, "end": 5886.834, "text": "Now, if you think of the 90-plus percent tanks that actually are unsafe, we know they're unsafe because they were built before seismic standards.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5887.203, "end": 5888.005, "text": "They are all unsafe.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5888.903, "end": 5900.064, "text": "We're saying let's reduce— let's increase the safety margin to the point where we're only submitting ourselves to absolutely necessary risk, not unnecessary risk.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5900.625, "end": 5904.233, "text": "So on a technical basis, this is called seismic freeboard.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5904.297, "end": 5906.061, "text": "You could increase the seismic freeboard.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5906.125, "end": 5906.269, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 5906.82, "end": 5914.829, "text": "And as engineers will tell you and told us, the lower the amount of fuel in the tank, the safer the tank is, especially if it's an older tank.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 5918.402, "end": 5918.854, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5919.291, "end": 5920.309, "text": "One more question.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5920.81, "end": 5929.534, "text": "I think you basically said that the intent here is not to create a fuel shortage, so the drawdown should be consistent with reduction in demand.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5930.162, "end": 5953.92, "text": "And I just wanted to ask a question, but I think an obvious answer, which is that If we as the City of Portland really want a big fat drawdown, hopefully much more than 20% over time, of fuel in the hub, should we be doing everything that we can within the City of Portland to help people and encourage people to switch from gasoline cars to transit, biking, walking, and electric cars?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5957.285, "end": 5960.178, "text": "I've been nominated to answer that one with a resounding yes.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5961.197, "end": 5964.553, "text": "Yes, we would love to do everything that we can.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5964.746, "end": 5974.285, "text": "This is one part of climate policy that needs to happen, is dealing with the safety and immense risk that we have at the CEI hub.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5974.365, "end": 5979.488, "text": "But it's only one part of what we need to do as a city to make sure that we meet our climate goals.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5979.6, "end": 5988.047, "text": "And so we definitely need to set good policy that helps us to make sure our building emissions can be reduced.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5988.416, "end": 6007.403, "text": "At a great, you know, way that works for everyone and is affordable and accessible, and move to transportation that we can all afford and that is accessible and safe for all of us to get around without using fossil fuels, and to be safer when we can be outside more and getting exercise and using public transit.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 6007.515, "end": 6014.459, "text": "So we're gung-ho for all of you to continue working on policies other than the CEI hub.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 6014.555, "end": 6014.795, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 6015.133, "end": 6021.833, "text": "That enable us to move away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible so that we don't need to store them at this unsafe location.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 6022.428, "end": 6031.266, "text": "What I was saying is that the reduction in demand and shifting people to not driving fossil fuel cars enables a greater reduction of fuel at the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 6031.828, "end": 6037.034, "text": "And 86% of the fuel in the CEI Hub, I'm told, is for transportation.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 6037.709, "end": 6045.239, "text": "So the way to reduce the need for fuel in the CEI Hub is to have more transportation be non-fuel-oriented.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 6046.459, "end": 6046.844, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 6047.662, "end": 6048.432, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 6048.866, "end": 6049.636, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 6050.936, "end": 6060.387, "text": "Thank you all for being here today and for coming with ideas, for being collaborative, not just coming to yell at us, but to actually try to partner and give some suggestions.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 6060.836, "end": 6061.783, "text": "Appreciate it.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 6063.083, "end": 6067.929, "text": "So the presentation— not that you yell at us other times, just saying.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 6068.347, "end": 6070.973, "text": "All right, just digging myself deeper in a hole.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 6071.086, "end": 6079.654, "text": "Okay, so the presentation touched on the fact that LUBA found some of the comprehensive plan language weak and not directive enough.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 6080.69, "end": 6088.983, "text": "Can you explain a little bit more about that feedback, those findings, and how exactly that impacted the recommendations to these amendments?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 6090.606, "end": 6091.401, "text": "Nicki.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 6094.196, "end": 6096.712, "text": "Um, I, I, I— Nikki, you can go ahead and—.", "speaker": "Cherie Spock" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 6096.856, "end": 6098.058, "text": "That's superb.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 6098.683, "end": 6099.452, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 6099.805, "end": 6112.447, "text": "Um, as, as some of you may be aware, um, the city has been trying for years to, um, control and, and prohibit new fossil fuel infrastructure in the city.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 6113.104, "end": 6147.767, "text": "And, um, twice, LUBA, the Land Use, um, um, Board of Appeals— Board of Appeals, thank you very much— uh, Land Use Board of Appeals Remanded decisions back to the city, indicating that the city has the authority to make those kinds of regulations and restrictions, but that the comprehensive plan language on which it was basing those denials of expansion and LUX certification was based on language in the comprehensive plan that— I'm sorry, I'm going to use this because I just love the language from LUBA— is hortatory and aspirational.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 6147.895, "end": 6147.991, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 6149.017, "end": 6155.074, "text": "And that it needed to be prohibitory and mandatory in order for the city to make a claim on that.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 6155.683, "end": 6171.819, "text": "And in fact, this was indicated in the BPS application for the hazard mitigation grant that started this whole program, that this has been a problem for the city in kind of overcoming legal challenges, that we need stronger language in our comprehensive plan.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 6171.883, "end": 6177.959, "text": "And that was a claim that BPS made to the To FEMA when they said we need this planning grant.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 6178.504, "end": 6193.487, "text": "So we are looking at what is coming through in the proposal to you, and we see actually the same kind of language that's in the existing comprehensive plan, things like support and engage.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 6194.08, "end": 6214.458, "text": "And so we want to lean into the goal of amending the comprehensive plan and provide that very directive specific language that's actionable so that when the city takes an action, it is less subject to delaying lawsuits and it can actually then implement that through zoning code.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 6214.843, "end": 6215.148, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 6215.725, "end": 6219.074, "text": "And thank you all for being here so late last night and coming back today.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 6219.155, "end": 6219.972, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 6220.773, "end": 6222.472, "text": "May I ask one more question?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 6222.52, "end": 6222.745, "text": "Please.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 6223.578, "end": 6240.112, "text": "Looking at the amendment around the bulk fuel storage capacity reduction and shifting from the one-time 20% reduction I'm curious if this recommendation that you all are bringing, could that actually result in us having less than a 20% reduction?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 6241.95, "end": 6242.546, "text": "It certainly could.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 6242.724, "end": 6258.659, "text": "I mean, it's going to be— the whole point is to make it data-driven, is to not throw out a number based on estimates or projections for 10 years from now, and to make sure that there is a guarantee that we will not create shortages.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 6259.036, "end": 6262.328, "text": "So to be— I mean, we will have the data.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 6262.81, "end": 6267.146, "text": "The facilities all collect exactly the data that BPS is now asking for.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 6267.227, "end": 6269.025, "text": "We're not asking them to create new data.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 6269.106, "end": 6272.912, "text": "They report some of it to DEQ for air quality.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6273.024, "end": 6275, "text": "They report some of it to the fire marshal.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6275.498, "end": 6289.449, "text": "So we just want to make— we think the most prudent, cautious approach to anything like this, which has, as you will see in the Econ Northwest report, potential economic impacts has to be data-driven.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6289.53, "end": 6293.529, "text": "It cannot be based on guesstimates of what's going to happen in 10 years.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6297.96, "end": 6298.397, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 6298.705, "end": 6300.035, "text": "Well, can I just share one thing?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 6300.1, "end": 6311.962, "text": "I mean, this is half-baked in my mind, but I'm wondering about it being— having a number like 20% or a comparison based on the tank data and fuel consumption data.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 6316.637, "end": 6320.663, "text": "Again, I think the question— I mean, this will come back.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 6321.019, "end": 6324.188, "text": "Our proposal is to bring this back to City Council with public testimony.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6324.237, "end": 6329.684, "text": "So that's from the industry, from us, and to really debate what is the prudent way forward.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6330.038, "end": 6348.55, "text": "Because I think it has to be basically a public decision that if we're going to draw down, we have consensus that there is a drawdown that can be done to the appreciate the thoughtfulness and all the work that's gone into this.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6348.58, "end": 6350.68, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6350.68, "end": 6352.55, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6352.74, "end": 6354.19, "text": "Uh, thank you all very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6354.42, "end": 6355.9, "text": "You're welcome.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6355.9, "end": 6363.6, "text": "Um, I had said we were going to invite our next 2 panels up, but I'm also noticing that it is currently 3:40 and, uh, there are a couple of councilors whose teeth are floating.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6363.9, "end": 6366.3, "text": "We are going to go ahead and take a 10-minute break right now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6366.3, "end": 6369.968, "text": "I'd like I'd like everybody to be back here at 3:50, and we will finish up our last 2 panels and Q&A.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6370.532, "end": 6373.047, "text": "It means you have to go to the bathroom.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6374.666, "end": 6374.846, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 7196.442, "end": 7197.787, "text": "Welcome back, folks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 7197.837, "end": 7200.888, "text": "Thank you all so very much for the brief break.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 7202.31, "end": 7202.536, "text": "Hiya.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 7203.735, "end": 7206.215, "text": "I'm really glad everybody's worked up and excited about this topic.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 7208.268, "end": 7208.622, "text": "Excellent.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 7208.67, "end": 7209.666, "text": "Thank you very much, folks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 7209.715, "end": 7215.406, "text": "I'm now going to invite TJ McHugh, who's Director of Government Relations for the Portland Metro Chamber, up to the dais.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 7215.454, "end": 7215.808, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 7216.272, "end": 7216.916, "text": "Welcome, TJ.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 7218.029, "end": 7222.074, "text": "Hey there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 7222.396, "end": 7227.774, "text": "I guess I'm probably going to be the least popular person in the room, but, uh, good afternoon, councilors.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 7227.887, "end": 7229.989, "text": "For the record, TJ McHugh with the Portland Metro Chamber.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 7230.736, "end": 7234.676, "text": "Uh, thanks for the opportunity to testify today on the proposed CI Hub regulations.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 7235.435, "end": 7238.276, "text": "Uh, there's much alignment, um, between us and the last panel.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 7239.329, "end": 7244.729, "text": "Uh, the chamber recognizes the importance of seismic safety Environmental protection and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 7245.484, "end": 7256.611, "text": "We share the council's interest in making Portland and our region more resilient and better prepared for the future, and we've spent hours working with and providing feedback as best we can with the information provided.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 7257.366, "end": 7258.137, "text": "But we have some concerns.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 7259.454, "end": 7265.057, "text": "I would like to be able to provide you detailed comments today on the policy before us, but unfortunately that's not possible.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 7265.796, "end": 7270.035, "text": "There was a significant and substantive update made to the draft policy for discussion today.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 7270.374, "end": 7271.911, "text": "And was only released late last night.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 7272.462, "end": 7280.554, "text": "This is by no means enough time to review this technically complex policy the council is tasked to consider.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 7281.039, "end": 7283.531, "text": "I also want to draw attention to something you might not be aware of.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 7284.032, "end": 7288.55, "text": "The proposed policy contains 2 studies which are not consistent with each other.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 7290.039, "end": 7294.263, "text": "We've asked and not received any explanation for how these differences are being addressed.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 7295.38, "end": 7299.316, "text": "Why is one study being used as the underlying basis for the policy and the other is not.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 7300.632, "end": 7301.718, "text": "They were both commissioned by the city.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 7303.58, "end": 7303.935, "text": "We agree.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 7305.29, "end": 7310.712, "text": "And, and now we have additional economic information that deserves serious consideration.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 7311.6, "end": 7320.041, "text": "Eco Northwest independent review concluded that the disruption to the CI Hub operations have a potential to affect fuel availability and pricing statewide.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 7320.7, "end": 7335.203, "text": "It also found that even a modest increase in fuel costs can have measurable consequences for employment, Economic output, household income, and consumer prices, with impacts falling particularly hard on low-income households in communities outside the Portland metropolitan area.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 7337.358, "end": 7346.845, "text": "That analysis from Econ Northwest was not completed until July and not made public until August, after much of this proposal had already been developed.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 7348.176, "end": 7353.761, "text": "This council should not be asked to make a decision of this magnitude without fully considering the most recent economic analysis.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 7353.81, "end": 7353.94, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 7355.952, "end": 7361.861, "text": "We are concerned that the proposed 20% reduction is based on long-term demand and projections that are inherently uncertain.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 7363.017, "end": 7372.426, "text": "There are significant external factors that can change the regional fuel supply, including refinery closures, pipeline disruptions, natural disasters, and geopolitical events.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 7373.454, "end": 7375.734, "text": "Storage is not simply about meeting average demand.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 7375.894, "end": 7379.539, "text": "It provides flexibility and redundancy necessary when something goes wrong.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 7382.391, "end": 7386.445, "text": "And as it was presented, the CI Hub is not simply a Portland issue.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 7386.784, "end": 7391.495, "text": "According to the city's own analysis, approximately 90% of Oregon's liquid energy passes through this area.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 7392.551, "end": 7403.166, "text": "The fuel moving through this hub supports aviation, marine, rail, trucking, businesses, households, first responders, and emergency operations throughout Oregon and the Pacific Northwest.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 7404.839, "end": 7415.407, "text": "That means decisions about the hub have consequences As Svetlana presented, Oregon already has a state process specifically designed to address the seismic risk of these facilities.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 7416.3, "end": 7427.639, "text": "The DEQ Fuel Tank Seismic Stability Program requires facilities to conduct detailed site-specific seismic assessments and develop plans to mitigate the risk identified through that process.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 7428.267, "end": 7429.924, "text": "Those assessments are still in progress.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 7431.565, "end": 7433.854, "text": "We should not— we should thank you.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 7434.724, "end": 7438.798, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Wilson.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 7441.326, "end": 7447.246, "text": "We believe the proposal should better recognize the role of the CEI hub in Oregon's transition to lower carbon fuels.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 7448.28, "end": 7455.536, "text": "Renewable diesel and sustainable aviation fuel can require additional storage and infrastructure as we transition away from the conventional fuels.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 7456.878, "end": 7464.069, "text": "Policies intended to accelerate that transition should not inadvertently make it harder to build the infrastructure needed to accomplish it.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 7465.57, "end": 7475.763, "text": "So today, the Portland Metro Chamber is asking the council to pause this process and direct BPS to open its analysis and allow the Planning Commission to reconsider the proposals in light of any new developments.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 7477.223, "end": 7483.224, "text": "And we also need to review the legality, legality of any proposed amendments that are being brought forward.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 7484.322, "end": 7494.769, "text": "We can and should pursue seismic safety, environmental protection, and our climate goals, but we need to do it in a way that protects affordability, economic competitiveness, and regional energy resilience.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 7495.699, "end": 7496.019, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 7496.66, "end": 7497.477, "text": "Thank you very much, TJ.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 7497.862, "end": 7499.881, "text": "Colleagues, any technical or clarifying questions?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 7499.929, "end": 7506.018, "text": "Again, this is not an opportunity to debate, but if anyone wants to clarify what TJ was talking about.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 7506.499, "end": 7506.964, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 7508.117, "end": 7510.537, "text": "Thank you, uh, and thank you, TJ.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 7510.988, "end": 7515.085, "text": "I know what it's like to walk into a room where maybe you're not the most popular person there, so I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 7517.29, "end": 7518.744, "text": "You have to laugh at this stuff sometimes, guys.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 7520.507, "end": 7528.092, "text": "I noticed that you were kind of nodding in agreement when David Labbe was talking about the data-driven approach, and then you sort of reaffirmed that during your testimony.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 7528.22, "end": 7532.424, "text": "Can you say a little bit about your reaction and kind of help us understand your thinking a little bit more?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 7532.891, "end": 7535.293, "text": "Yeah, we 100% believe that everything should be data-driven.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 7535.487, "end": 7539.405, "text": "I think that the policy was created with outdated information and conflicting information.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 7540.143, "end": 7546.383, "text": "I think we need to be cognizant of the information we're using and use the most relevant information we have.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 7546.64, "end": 7552.592, "text": "And as we move forward on a yearly basis, continue to update that data and make decisions based on that data.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 7553.234, "end": 7559.667, "text": "I mean, a wholehearted 20% reduction might not make sense in 5 years from now considering geopolitical events or anything like that.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 7559.747, "end": 7563.469, "text": "So there has to be some flexibility that's built into a policy.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 7564.223, "end": 7565.137, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 7566.05, "end": 7566.932, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 7567.669, "end": 7568.471, "text": "Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 7569.353, "end": 7570.924, "text": "Um, thank you, Councilor President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 7571.421, "end": 7572.992, "text": "Um, could you just clarify for me?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 7573.104, "end": 7575.092, "text": "I'm still catching up on all this stuff too.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 7575.22, "end": 7576.374, "text": "It's happening pretty fast.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 7576.55, "end": 7579.74, "text": "Um, you said that the 2 reports were contradictory.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 7579.917, "end": 7582.209, "text": "Could you just, uh, review that for us?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 7583.043, "end": 7595.752, "text": "Yeah, so there was conflicting information that came out of the 2 different reports that were commissioned by the BPS, um, and we've asked multiple times to understand why we're using one report and not using the other.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 7597.72, "end": 7598.705, "text": "And we don't know why.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 7599.19, "end": 7603.795, "text": "We don't know if it's because one is more beneficial to the outcome we're looking for or what.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 7603.957, "end": 7606.357, "text": "Well, could you just— what are the conflicts, TJ?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 7606.714, "end": 7606.827, "text": "Can you—.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 7606.909, "end": 7616.354, "text": "A lot of the data in terms of fuel use projections, just basic understanding of the projections that went into the policy work.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 7616.568, "end": 7617.21, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 7617.917, "end": 7618.671, "text": "All right, thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 7619.378, "end": 7622.975, "text": "All right, seeing no one else in the queue— oh, Councilor Novick, there we go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 7623.777, "end": 7624.789, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 7625.367, "end": 7627.631, "text": "Um, I would just like you to elaborate on that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 7627.679, "end": 7631.42, "text": "Did, like, one report say demand's going to go down by 20%, the other said go down by 2%?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 7631.982, "end": 7635.306, "text": "I mean, please explain a bit the discrepancies.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 7636.462, "end": 7639.93, "text": "I think BPS would be better off to explain the discrepancies than I would.", "speaker": "TJ McHugh" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 7641.263, "end": 7641.456, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 7644.556, "end": 7646.436, "text": "All right, thank you very much, TJ.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 7646.581, "end": 7646.822, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 7648.268, "end": 7648.525, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 7648.589, "end": 7656.831, "text": "I'd like to now invite Sophia Steele Conley, who's Director of Northwest Government Affairs for the Western States Petroleum Association, to the dais.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 7656.928, "end": 7658.197, "text": "Oh, she's actually joining us online.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 7658.792, "end": 7659.37, "text": "Hello, Sophia.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 7659.98, "end": 7661.86, "text": "Uh, welcome, and you have 10 minutes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 7661.925, "end": 7662.39, "text": "Take it away.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 7663.114, "end": 7663.467, "text": "Excellent.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 7663.515, "end": 7666.391, "text": "Thank you so much, and thank you for letting me participate virtually.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 7666.504, "end": 7668.528, "text": "I'll also note I'm very glad that you all Thank you.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 7668.592, "end": 7669.924, "text": "I had a break before I had to present.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 7670.822, "end": 7674.063, "text": "Um, so with that, uh, thank you again for the opportunity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 7674.143, "end": 7678.62, "text": "My name is Sophia Steele Conley, Director of Government Affairs for WSPA.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 7679.342, "end": 7682.069, "text": "I'd like to note that I am not our technical expert.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 7682.214, "end": 7688.695, "text": "Unfortunately, with the amount of time we had to plan for today's work session, he was unable to attend, but I will do my best in his place.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 7689.594, "end": 7697.327, "text": "Um, and then I'd like to note today that my remarks will focus on the information we received prior to the updated documents that came out yesterday late afternoon.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 7697.936, "end": 7705.984, "text": "As you're all aware, especially from this hearing, this is an extremely dense and highly technical topic where precise language in these materials matter.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 7706.673, "end": 7719.08, "text": "WISPO represents companies operating in the CEI hub, and as their trade association, we take it very seriously that it is our responsibility to engage in this process with a commitment to accuracy, transparency, and factual integrity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 7720.09, "end": 7732.463, "text": "With that said, my goal today is to walk through how the Pacific Northwest fuel supply chain works and why the CEI Hub plays such an important role in keeping fuel moving safely and reliably throughout Oregon.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 7732.768, "end": 7744.088, "text": "I'll explain how the system operates, why storage capacity matters, and why the CEI Hub is so important for consumers, businesses, emergency responders, and other critical services across the state.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 7744.859, "end": 7747.572, "text": "Let me share my screen with you all because I do have a couple slides.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 7749.917, "end": 7751.347, "text": "Can you all see that?", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 7752.263, "end": 7752.745, "text": "Yes, we can.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 7753.484, "end": 7753.95, "text": "Excellent.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 7755.299, "end": 7757.324, "text": "All right, let's start with looking at the big picture.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 7757.806, "end": 7763.493, "text": "When most people think about fuel supply in the United States, they assume it's one large interconnected network.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 7763.831, "end": 7766.289, "text": "In many parts of the country, that's exactly the case.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 7767.205, "end": 7775.945, "text": "If you look at this map, you'll see an extensive network of crude oil and refined product pipelines stretching across the Midwest, Gulf Coast, and much of the eastern United States.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 7776.828, "end": 7780.666, "text": "Those regions benefit from multiple supply routes and significant redundancy.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 7781.34, "end": 7783.604, "text": "But what's striking is what happens when you look west.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 7784.23, "end": 7789.898, "text": "As you move into Washington, Oregon, and the whole Pacific Northwest, that level of connectivity drops off dramatically.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 7790.878, "end": 7795.293, "text": "In many ways, our region operates more like an energy island than an interconnected network.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 7796.048, "end": 7801.218, "text": "So as you can see, we don't have the same level of pipeline redundancy that exists elsewhere in the country.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 7801.267, "end": 7801.379, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 7802.053, "end": 7805.827, "text": "And that means every piece of infrastructure we do have carries a lot more weight.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 7806.694, "end": 7816.071, "text": "When there are fewer pathways to move fuel, every pipeline, refinery, storage terminal, and distribution asset becomes increasingly important to maintain reliable fuel supplies.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 7817.066, "end": 7826.764, "text": "Understanding that reality is important because it helps explain why infrastructure decisions in the Pacific Northwest often have much bigger regional consequences than people might initially expect.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 7830.067, "end": 7833.561, "text": "With that in mind, let's look at the refining system that serves our region.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 7834.074, "end": 7843.083, "text": "Washington State is home to 5 major refineries and ranks 5th nationally in refining capacity, behind, behind only Texas, Louisiana, California, and Illinois.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 7843.933, "end": 7849.078, "text": "2 Refineries are located in the Ferndale area, 2 are in Anacortes, and 1 is located in Tacoma.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 7849.848, "end": 7853.967, "text": "Together, these facilities process approximately 670,000 barrels of crude oil annually.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 7854.015, "end": 7854.111, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 7854.16, "end": 7854.913, "text": "Crude oil per day.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 7855.874, "end": 7860.169, "text": "That production is particularly important because Oregon has no in-state refineries.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 7860.682, "end": 7869.143, "text": "Oregon cannot make liquid fuels and relies for its needs heavily on fuels produced in Washington to meet its transportation and economic needs.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 7869.88, "end": 7881.723, "text": "Those fuels include gasoline, diesel, renewable diesel, jet fuel, marine fuels, and other petroleum products that support transportation, agriculture, manufacturing, aviation, public safety and emergency response.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 7882.557, "end": 7892.064, "text": "In fact, more than 90% of the fuel used in Oregon either originates from or moves through Washington's refining and distribution system before reaching Oregon consumers.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 7892.961, "end": 7902.067, "text": "Having nearby refining capacity provides an important source of supply, but that supply only benefits Oregon if the state maintains the infrastructure needed to receive it.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 7903.237, "end": 7931.385, "text": "Pipelines, storage terminals, and distribution So this illustration actually comes from the Oregon Energy Security Plan produced by ODO.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 7931.582, "end": 7935.632, "text": "And it helps show how fuels move from Washington into Oregon.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 7936.439, "end": 7948.708, "text": "So if you look at the top of the map, the Trans Mountain Pipeline shown entering from Canada is currently the only crude oil pipeline supply— supplying Washington's refineries directly.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 7949.738, "end": 7956.777, "text": "Once that crude oil is refined into products like gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel, those fuels move south through the Olympic Pipeline System.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 7957.496, "end": 7960.572, "text": "For Oregon, this pipeline is extremely important.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 7961.181, "end": 7967.766, "text": "More than 90% of the transportation fuels consumed in Oregon travel through this corridor before ultimately reaching the CEI Hub.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7968.792, "end": 7976.899, "text": "I often describe the system in this way: if the Olympic Pipeline is the highway bringing fuel into Oregon, the CEI Hub is the distribution center of that system.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7978.325, "end": 7990.386, "text": "The CEI Hub receives fuel, stores fuel, balances fluctuations in supply and demand, and then distributes that fuel to communities airports, businesses, farms, manufacturers, and emergency services throughout the state.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7991.318, "end": 8005.763, "text": "I'd like to make a point very clear that Oregon only has about 2 weeks of storage capacity, highlighting the importance of the balancing function the CEI Hub provides to the state of Oregon that allows the entire system to operate smoothly on a daily basis.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 8006.84, "end": 8013.151, "text": "Without it, even relatively small distributions can quickly become much larger operational challenges across the supply chain.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 8016.907, "end": 8020.764, "text": "This slide shows the complete journey fuel takes through our regional supply chain.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 8021.41, "end": 8024.912, "text": "Crude oil reaches Washington refineries by pipeline, marine vessel, and rail.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 8025.541, "end": 8030.146, "text": "The refineries then convert that crude oil into the transportation fuels people actually use every day.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 8030.934, "end": 8037.688, "text": "Those fuels move through the pipeline system into the CEI hub where they are stored, managed, prepared, and prepared for distribution.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 8039.026, "end": 8046.571, "text": "From there, fuel moves by truck, pipeline, rail, and marine transportation to destinations throughout Oregon and the whole Pacific Northwest.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 8047.856, "end": 8051.661, "text": "What's important to remember is that none of these pieces operate independently.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 8052.19, "end": 8053.748, "text": "Refineries depend on crude supply.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 8054.213, "end": 8056.172, "text": "Pipelines depend on storage capacity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 8056.67, "end": 8060.748, "text": "Distribution systems depend on having fuel available when and where it's needed.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 8061.486, "end": 8064.199, "text": "Every part of the system relies on every other part.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 8065.587, "end": 8071.185, "text": "And right in the middle of that network sits the CEI Hub, connecting fuel production with fuel consumption.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 8071.796, "end": 8074.415, "text": "Its value isn't simply that it stores fuel.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 8074.949, "end": 8080.458, "text": "Its value is that it allows the entire system to operate reliably, efficiently, and continuously.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 8082.998, "end": 8088.15, "text": "Now, I'd like to finish by talking about storage tanks and why capacity matters.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 8089.25, "end": 8096.383, "text": "When people hear the term tank capacity, It's easy to assume that every inch of space in gallons inside a tank is available for use.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 8097.282, "end": 8103.303, "text": "In reality, storage tanks are engineered systems with important operational and safety requirements.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 8104.106, "end": 8109.051, "text": "First, not every gallon in a storage tank can be withdrawn during normal operations.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 8109.87, "end": 8120.606, "text": "Every tank contains what's known as a heel, which is a volume of product that remains in the tank to help mitigate sediment, reduce operational risks, and support safe operation.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 8122.017, "end": 8131.266, "text": "Second, tanks include vapor space and in many cases floating roof systems that help control emissions, maintain product quality, and support safe operations.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 8132.485, "end": 8137.454, "text": "Third, tanks are not operated at 100% of their physical capacity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 8138.127, "end": 8144.493, "text": "Safety requirements and operational considerations already limit the amount of usable volume available for day-to-day operations.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 8145.312, "end": 8154.143, "text": "As a result, a tank's working capacity is always less than its total physical size, and that remaining work capacity serves a critical purpose.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 8155.428, "end": 8167.615, "text": "It allows operators to receive incoming fuel shipments, respond to changes in demand, accommodate blending requirements, manage renewable fuel programs, and maintain continually during unexpected disruptions.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 8169.59, "end": 8174.282, "text": "Oh, I'll share with you all, I do like to think about this like a suitcase.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 8175.101, "end": 8182.123, "text": "I personally would never pack a suitcase so tightly that there was no room to add, remove, or rearrange anything inside.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 8183.247, "end": 8185.497, "text": "Storage tanks work pretty much the same way.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 8185.802, "end": 8192.92, "text": "They need available space so operators can receive fuel, move product in and out, and adjust as supply and demand changes.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 8193.82, "end": 8197.013, "text": "That flexibility is what makes the storage system work effectively.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 8198.007, "end": 8200.347, "text": "Storage tanks function in much the same way.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 8200.716, "end": 8204.178, "text": "They need the ability to fill and empty as supply and demand fluctuate.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 8204.659, "end": 8207.913, "text": "Their volume comes— their value comes from that flexibility.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 8208.763, "end": 8215.929, "text": "So when we're talking about reducing working capacity by 20% or more, the concern isn't simply that we're losing storage space.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 8216.922, "end": 8223.817, "text": "The real concern is that we're losing operational flexibility, the flexibility that helps stabilize the entire fuel system.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 8224.683, "end": 8228.598, "text": "As I already mentioned, Oregon has approximately 2 weeks of fuel storage capacity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 8229.352, "end": 8239.925, "text": "Reducing that flexibility could make it more difficult to manage inventories, respond to disruptions, and maintain the reliable flow of fuels that consumers, businesses, and critical services depend on every day.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 8240.984, "end": 8245.043, "text": "The CEI storage system was built to perform that balancing function.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 8245.636, "end": 8253.525, "text": "Preserving that capability is an important part of maintaining fuel reliability, energy resilience, and supply security for Oregon.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 8255.906, "end": 8266.307, "text": "I will note to you all that is the end of my formal presentation, but I did have 2 questions come in this morning, and if I do have another minute, may I ask those and answer them for you all?", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 8266.955, "end": 8267.353, "text": "Yeah, go ahead.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 8269.627, "end": 8275.041, "text": "The one question that I received was, why do renewables require more tank separate storage.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 8276.587, "end": 8289.613, "text": "As the fuel supply transitions towards more renewables and lower carbon fuels, adequate tankage becomes increasingly important because the system is handling a greater variety of products, feedstocks, carbon intensities, and blend requirements.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 8290.899, "end": 8302.595, "text": "Separate storage provides the flexibility to maintain product integrity and produce the different blends required by different markets and jurisdictions, while also supporting accurate tracking and reporting of renewable fuel volumes.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 8302.644, "end": 8302.888, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 8303.049, "end": 8305.775, "text": "Volumes and their associated carbon intensity pathways.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 8306.609, "end": 8309.351, "text": "Tankage also provides an important operational buffer.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 8309.96, "end": 8315.076, "text": "Renewable fuels do not necessarily arrive at the same time or in the same quantities that customers need them.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 8315.573, "end": 8326.302, "text": "Adequate storage allows terminals to manage those supply and demand fluctuations, receive, receive shipments safely, maintain appropriate inventories, and blend products when and where they're needed.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 8326.896, "end": 8337.267, "text": "That flexibility helps the transition to cleaner fuels occur reliably, safely, and efficiently without unnecessary constraints— without unnecessarily constraining the fuel supply system.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 8338.68, "end": 8346.868, "text": "The second question that I received today was, renewables aside, if demand goes down, would the industry naturally start using fewer tanks?", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 8347.928, "end": 8354.238, "text": "If demand declines over time, I think it's reasonable to expect terminal operators to continually evaluate their infrastructure needs.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 8354.992, "end": 8363.461, "text": "But I would be very careful about assuming that a 20% decline in fuel demand means a system can automatically operate with 20% less storage capacity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 8364.295, "end": 8367.23, "text": "Demand and storage capacity serve different functions.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 8367.567, "end": 8389.024, "text": "Demand tells us how much fuel is consumed over a period of time, while tankage provides the operational buffer needed to receive shipments, manage fluctuations between incoming supply and outgoing demand, maintain inventories during pipeline or marine disruptions, accommodate maintenance, and respond to events such as severe weather or other supply interruptions.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 8389.105, "end": 8390.856, "text": "I hope that's helpful.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 8390.936, "end": 8394.198, "text": "Thank you again so much for the opportunity, and thank you for your time this afternoon.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 8395.018, "end": 8395.934, "text": "Thank you very much, Sophia.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 8396.062, "end": 8398.89, "text": "Colleagues, do we have any technical or clarifying questions for Sophia?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 8399.453, "end": 8400.015, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 8400.803, "end": 8402.586, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 8403.149, "end": 8408.21, "text": "I think you might have kind of indirectly answered this question, but wanted to see if you could give a more direct answer.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 8408.596, "end": 8416.974, "text": "I mean, we've heard that there's 20 to 25% excess capacity now, and so I just wanted to know, is that true?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 8417.135, "end": 8423.111, "text": "And if it's not, can you explain why you reach different conclusions than BPS does about what excess capacity there is now?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 8424.766, "end": 8427.308, "text": "We would not describe it as excess capacity.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 8427.808, "end": 8437.856, "text": "Um, there are a couple things that I heard today that I would like to go back and discuss with my members, and I'm hoping to come back to you next week and have a little bit more details.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 8438.434, "end": 8445.313, "text": "I do represent competitors in the marketplace, so I must be very careful that I do not violate any federal or state antitrust laws.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 8446.067, "end": 8447.67, "text": "I also, I don't want to wear orange.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 8447.814, "end": 8454.229, "text": "And so I want to be sure that whatever information that I provide you is appropriate and accurate.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 8455.512, "end": 8477.51, "text": "But like I shared, when it comes to the operational capacity of a tank in all of the different structural integrities that are included in the tank, as well as the need for flexibility, looking at how they're receiving and distributing fuel, we would not categorize it as excess space.", "speaker": "Sophia Steele Conley" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 8481.268, "end": 8481.784, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 8481.833, "end": 8482.285, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 8486.142, "end": 8487.837, "text": "Oh, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 8489.975, "end": 8492.598, "text": "I just have sort of a follow-up process question on this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 8493.821, "end": 8509.676, "text": "I think that the folks on the first panel came extremely prepared with an analysis, but there was, you know, the Metro Chamber came, presented, talked about discrepancies within the report, but then did not outline any specifics.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 8510.4, "end": 8513.345, "text": "Here we have another person presenting for oil companies, but they didn't bring their experts.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 8513.394, "end": 8514.005, "text": "I think that the report is very detailed.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 8514.438, "end": 8520.749, "text": "And so she's also unable to answer specific questions about the discrepancies and is going to get back to us.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 8520.814, "end": 8526.509, "text": "But I think part of the value of doing this is in a public forum so we can all have that discussion together and get that information.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 8526.623, "end": 8533.026, "text": "So as these follow-ups are happening, how is that information going to be getting to all of us and shared with the public?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 8535.098, "end": 8540.99, "text": "Well, I will tell you that anything submitted to the record will be made public, certainly on the, on the actual items that we'll be hearing at council.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 8541.07, "end": 8546.471, "text": "And if I receive anything personally, I will certainly make it public and also share with colleagues immediately.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 8547.016, "end": 8547.273, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 8547.497, "end": 8549.244, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate that, Council President.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 8549.838, "end": 8573.278, "text": "I guess I— this is less of a question, more of a commentary, that if this oil terminal is as invaluable to the state of the economy here as people say it is and to our entire infrastructure, then I would hope that people would come prepared to answer why they are having different opinions than BPS and what some of the are doing in their analysis because we don't get a lot of opportunities to have this discussion out in public.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 8573.521, "end": 8573.843, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 8574.57, "end": 8575.425, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 8577.22, "end": 8578.604, "text": "Sophia, thank you very much for being here today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 8579.023, "end": 8580.214, "text": "No further questions in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 8582.549, "end": 8586.671, "text": "Colleagues, we are now going to enter just open discussion on topics and the presentations we heard today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 8586.8, "end": 8595.419, "text": "Our BPS staff are still in the room and available to answer any further questions or questions about technical or clarifying questions, but also just broadly questions about the process.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 8596.424, "end": 8599.746, "text": "Folks are welcome to get in the queue and we will talk until we're tired.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 8600.087, "end": 8600.589, "text": "I'm tired now.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 8603.819, "end": 8603.9, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 8604.045, "end": 8607.847, "text": "Colleagues, any— Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 8609.206, "end": 8609.481, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 8609.611, "end": 8612.394, "text": "My questions are for BPS staff, anybody who's still here.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 8632.786, "end": 8635.738, "text": "I've got 2 questions, a little one and a big one.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 8635.834, "end": 8647.865, "text": "The little one is the oil people are saying that transitioning to renewable fuel needs more tank space, and I do not have the qualifications to like confirm or deny that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 8648.21, "end": 8650.634, "text": "I'm just wondering what your reaction to that is.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 8650.974, "end": 8657.311, "text": "And is that something that you have or would want to like consult with some independent expert on it?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 8657.376, "end": 8659.593, "text": "Or is it something that you think you're gonna evaluate yourselves?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 8661.342, "end": 8687.41, "text": "I would just start out by saying one of the, I think that's one of the logics along with lining up with the seismic requirements, that's part of the logic of there being a runway here of time for the drawdown is because we know during this interim decade that, or nearly a decade, I would add sort of 2 things.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 8687.459, "end": 8692.021, "text": "Our request has been, in general, it's the statement that you heard.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 8692.312, "end": 8702.056, "text": "Oh, we need more capacity, but lacking specifics, lacking forecasts or how this— how that capacity would be used.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 8703.038, "end": 8720.694, "text": "I will say when we look at the capacity that's needed, Especially at the, the data and the reports from the state clean fuels program, you see a general decline for— especially when we're talking renewables, it's mostly about renewable diesel and renewable diesel as a replacement fuel for fossil diesel.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 8721.592, "end": 8732.159, "text": "And so although renewable diesel is increasing, the overall demand for diesel, fossil plus renewable, is declining.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 8732.207, "end": 8732.255, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 8733.057, "end": 8751.729, "text": "I think where, you know, our ability and our data has been to evaluate the hub as a whole and not to get down into the details of each terminal, what market they're serving, the size of their tanks, and this diesel— this tank is used for this kind of diesel.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 8752.707, "end": 8759.428, "text": "And as Eric said, that's where sort of that excess capacity provides the flexibility.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 8759.573, "end": 8759.749, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 8760.103, "end": 8767.397, "text": "At least over the next 10 years to respond to those changes in the marketplace for the different fuel types.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 8769.05, "end": 8769.26, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 8770.052, "end": 8774.87, "text": "My other question is, the coalition has proposed a very different approach than you have.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 8775.873, "end": 8781.422, "text": "Your proposal is to reduce basically the number of tanks by 20% at a date certain.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 8782.037, "end": 8787.574, "text": "The coalition says that it shouldn't be Number of tanks, but amount of fuel.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 8788.107, "end": 8790.515, "text": "And rather than a date certain, it should be sort of an ongoing process.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 8791.83, "end": 8794.938, "text": "And that definitely— that concept definitely has an appeal for me.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 8796.57, "end": 8803.656, "text": "What I wonder is, it seems to me that you could have at least 3 possible reactions to that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 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those 3 the 2 concepts are quite different operationally, and so I think a program in terms of staffing and the resources within the city to administer those 2 approaches look very different, whether you're measuring the size of tanks in the system versus tracking in a more ongoing way the volume of movement of fuels in terms of the, you know, the mason jar of coffee.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 8869.89, "end": 8877.99, "text": "So I think our answer is operationally that is more challenging, and there are some additional legal considerations that we could get into at another time.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 8879.79, "end": 8889.545, "text": "So I mean, do I take that to mean that you'd be worried about our just immediately jumping to that model without you guys having more time to think through the resources required and other questions?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 8891.306, "end": 8893.064, "text": "I think that's an accurate portrayal, yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 8893.71, "end": 8893.984, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 8896.468, "end": 8897.258, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 8897.516, "end": 8898.21, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 8898.887, "end": 8900.339, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 8900.726, "end": 8912.42, "text": "I was going to start with a question about the fact that we had both community members and industry asking for us to do this the same way that's different from what's in the report and hoping for more information.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 8912.517, "end": 8926.339, "text": "It sounds like from your answer to Councilor Novick's question that that's something that would take some additional follow-up with you all to better understand the cost of implementing a more in-depth program and also those legal concerns.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 8926.404, "end": 8927.142, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 8928.313, "end": 8935.76, "text": "Yeah, just operationally, the tracking implied by that different approach is a more intensive, costly process.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 8936.45, "end": 8945.405, "text": "I think it would be helpful for us to understand that since we did hear from groups that generally are not on the same page that they both would prefer that other process.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 8946.097, "end": 8950.989, "text": "So if we can get some information on what that looks like, that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 8953.586, "end": 8963.516, "text": "Um, we also heard some from our last testifier about the idea that in a crisis you sometimes need more capacity.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 8963.612, "end": 8973.33, "text": "And I am trying to remember from my initial reading of this, is there any— I'm going to call it a release valve for what we might call like a once every 100-year crisis?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 8973.672, "end": 8981.239, "text": "Is there something that says in a natural disaster you could store more temporarily or something like that?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 8981.303, "end": 8984.131, "text": "Or is it a hard cap no matter what?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 8985.32, "end": 8986.348, "text": "I don't remember what we had in there.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 8986.445, "end": 8994.88, "text": "Well, I think that's difficult to address because fundamentally we're regulating the built environment.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 8995.523, "end": 8999.636, "text": "And you have— in a disaster, you have what you have, right?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 9000.509, "end": 9007.859, "text": "We're gonna— we don't know when it's gonna hit, but we're just gonna have the tanks that are out there and they're gonna perform the way they're gonna perform.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 9009.938, "end": 9025.421, "text": "Presumably in a disaster, council can declare an emergency and, you know, those rules are waived, much in the way we've had a housing emergency, to respond to whatever needs to— for the emergency response.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 9025.583, "end": 9034.144, "text": "But you know, whether or not we still have the physical tanks that are there or not there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 9035.17, "end": 9049.565, "text": "So the answer to the folks who have raised those concerns really is this is in code and council can declare an emergency if there is an emergency to make sure that we can still have the necessary fuel supply to keep our community operating.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 9050.8, "end": 9050.976, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 9051.361, "end": 9051.601, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 9053.929, "end": 9061.958, "text": "And then we heard a little bit of conversation about the safety differences between having fewer tanks and having tanks with less fuel in them.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 9062.825, "end": 9088.745, "text": "I understand the concern about the operational side of the drawdown as opposed to the less storage capacity, but did any of the work that your teams did or any of the work in that you were looking at by experts across the country look at the risk, the safety risk between having fewer tanks operational or a lower volume within tanks of fuel?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 9091.168, "end": 9096.958, "text": "No, we didn't get to that sort of specific tank level, if you will.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 9098.623, "end": 9132.589, "text": "And again, sort of looking at the overall capacity, especially the overall capacity of the hub, and allowing each terminal to manage their overall capacity as they see fit, and, and in essence having the ability to decide do they want one large tank or do they want 10 small tanks, and really trusting the terminals to figure out what those needs are on the demand or how their operations work, but having us as a city regulate the overall capacity.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 9133.487, "end": 9134.674, "text": "Great, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 9135.412, "end": 9136.229, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 9136.326, "end": 9137.48, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 9138.314, "end": 9139.308, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 9140.238, "end": 9159.272, "text": "So both the BPS proposal and the proposal that I heard from community suggested changes to require the Port of Portland to demonstrate need for any aviation fuel expansion, and I'm wondering if you can speak broadly to the port's response to that or position.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 9159.48, "end": 9185.669, "text": "Have they been I think there continues to be concern and concern about if that need arises, how difficult or challenging the process, the approval process will be, and, and how much sort of lead time they need to be able to get that, you know, as their forecasts are updated, you know, to be able to get that done.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 9186.431, "end": 9195.654, "text": "And they foresee a need in 5 years for more capacity, when do they need to start that approval process so that that capacity comes online when they see that need?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 9197.75, "end": 9197.879, "text": "I would—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 9198.266, "end": 9200.121, "text": "This is Patricia Dieffenderfer, just for the record.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 9200.267, "end": 9205.688, "text": "I would also say that it's— I mean, I think the port doesn't necessarily supply the fuel.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 9205.833, "end": 9208.053, "text": "It's the terminals that supply the fuel, right?", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 9208.135, "end": 9227.038, "text": "So the port does the forecasts and then If a terminal wants to go through the process to increase aviation fuel through that Type 3 review that we were discussing, then they would have to demonstrate the need for that additional fuel that they're asking for, that additional storage space.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 9230.592, "end": 9230.946, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 9231.172, "end": 9235.564, "text": "And I don't want to put anyone on the spot, but I believe we have someone from the Port of Portland here today.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 9235.661, "end": 9238.908, "text": "I don't know if Anyone wants to speak to that?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 9238.972, "end": 9240.043, "text": "But I'm—.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 9240.107, "end": 9245.053, "text": "If, if our friends from the port are interested in coming as responding, certainly, but they also don't have to.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 9247.632, "end": 9248.298, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 9248.59, "end": 9250.148, "text": "Hey, thank you very much, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 9250.619, "end": 9253.866, "text": "Councilor Green, you can come up if you'd like.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 9255.836, "end": 9256.47, "text": "I see you, Dan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 9256.892, "end": 9258.014, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 9263.287, "end": 9267.024, "text": "Hello, Council President Dunphy, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 9267.538, "end": 9268.725, "text": "For the record, Dan Eisenbeiss.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 9268.773, "end": 9270.842, "text": "I'm a registered lobbyist for the Port of Portland.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 9271.227, "end": 9272.927, "text": "Was not expecting to speak today.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 9273.408, "end": 9290.555, "text": "What I will say is that we would agree with Patricia Dieffenderfer that in the instance of the limited allowance for expansion of terminal capacity for aviation fuel, it would be the terminals themselves that would be the applicant.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 9290.895, "end": 9299.011, "text": "Not the Port of Portland, nor the consortium of airlines that purchases and distributes fuel at PDX.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 9304.05, "end": 9304.904, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Karamalan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 9306.063, "end": 9307.705, "text": "Councilor Green, and thanks for coming up, Dan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 9309.349, "end": 9314.489, "text": "Thank you, Council President, and thanks again for what I think has been a pretty robust conversation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 9315.976, "end": 9316.354, "text": "This is big stuff.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 9316.542, "end": 9316.801, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 9316.946, "end": 9320.357, "text": "It's going to— any long-term future planning stuff you don't take lightly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 9320.422, "end": 9322.249, "text": "So I'm grateful for the engagement.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 9323.89, "end": 9342.048, "text": "I have a bit of a— I hope it's not too abstract, but the question is, so the modeling that we do, like you guys are planners, and when you engage in long-run planning, you have to sort of hold some assumptions fixed and constant.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 9342.717, "end": 9342.958, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 9343.134, "end": 9350.71, "text": "And you say, okay, given these assumptions or scenarios and given what we know about the data, what do we think the outcomes will be?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 9350.758, "end": 9351.641, "text": "What are the needs going to be?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 9351.721, "end": 9353.165, "text": "What are our constraints going to be?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 9353.246, "end": 9356.247, "text": "And how does that influence our decisions on how to make land use choices?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 9356.295, "end": 9360.532, "text": "But in the real world, those future states are not fixed and constant.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 9360.789, "end": 9368.075, "text": "And in the real world, the market responds to things like prices, income, and other exogenous factors.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 9368.332, "end": 9394.144, "text": "And so where I'm going with this is, is there any room for— I know it's hard, but do planners— do we have any precedent here at City of Portland in our land use planning process to contemplate that style of dynamic kind of like interactive response to say, oh, I don't know, there's a 37% chance of a Cascadia subduction zone earthquake, and that's a non-trivial chance.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 9394.224, "end": 9394.609, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 9397.089, "end": 9403.526, "text": "What would it look like to envision a different solution to the problem where it wasn't all clustered in one spot?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 9404.01, "end": 9408.08, "text": "Is that in bounds, or is it just hard, or both?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 9408.338, "end": 9412.683, "text": "I think it's— I think, well, a couple of things tangled in there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 9413.88, "end": 9414.479, "text": "It's hard.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 9415.498, "end": 9420.708, "text": "I think that's why we included the Type 3 review processes as relief valves.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 9420.773, "end": 9431.497, "text": "They're not hard hard, hard— they're pretty hard lines, but there's an escape valve with review process to know if that's a good idea or not.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 9431.627, "end": 9436.7, "text": "So that's one of the functions of those review processes is that relief valve.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 9438.002, "end": 9448.206, "text": "I think what you got in the last part, if I understood it, is within the City of Portland, sort of the CI Hub is the place.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 9448.256, "end": 9448.337, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 9448.925, "end": 9451.546, "text": "For those facilities to be.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 9451.934, "end": 9453.26, "text": "It's the end of the pipeline.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 9453.454, "end": 9456.058, "text": "There's marine access, there's rail access.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 9457.174, "end": 9461.669, "text": "There's not another good place in the city of Portland for these facilities.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 9463.399, "end": 9476.894, "text": "Once we get beyond our borders, that becomes a state issue that, that we as a city need to lobby the state to address how to distribute these facilities for resiliency.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 9476.945, "end": 9477.134, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 9477.886, "end": 9494.556, "text": "How we tap into the— as you saw in the pipeline descriptions, the pipelines coming from Salt Lake City and Montana into Washington, and can those be used as redundant supplies for Eastern Oregon?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 9495.55, "end": 9500.572, "text": "But that's more of a state strategy that has been on their to-do list for quite a while.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 9501.904, "end": 9503.203, "text": "That's a great response.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 9503.919, "end": 9519.841, "text": "And so let me clarify, I think, what my question is really trying to get at, which is, um, in this land use process, a lot of this hinges upon what is, what is the basis of reasonableness for the demand, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 9520.406, "end": 9528.177, "text": "And the demand, recognizing that we're in the confines of the City of Portland, but the demand is not in the confines of the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 9528.724, "end": 9535.748, "text": "It is a function of like The market, however broad that is, probably mostly regional, but it's also not.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 9535.813, "end": 9540.244, "text": "We heard from the trade association that it's certainly not.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 9540.308, "end": 9561.574, "text": "And so if we've got this disconnect between the land use problem being local, but the basis of evidence and reason and on how we think about the future need is, is not local, how do we square that with the fact that It's likely the case that that demand will evolve over time, given future conditions that are not local.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 9561.654, "end": 9563.706, "text": "And that might then change.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 9564.539, "end": 9568.515, "text": "If we had a crystal ball, that would change our planning outcome, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 9569.669, "end": 9572.731, "text": "So I don't know if you want to keep going down this road.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 9572.86, "end": 9576.803, "text": "This is, for the record, Eric Kingstrom again, BPS Director.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 9576.948, "end": 9579.641, "text": "This is why planning is cyclical and iterative, right?", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 9579.689, "end": 9581.299, "text": "We don't know everything all at once.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 9581.381, "end": 9582.745, "text": "And so we're going to revisit this.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 9584.969, "end": 9620.84, "text": "I was also just going to add, that's why we built in the, the reporting intervals, like very, um, I think, you know, short reporting intervals through this process to be able to share, do this analysis, uh, look at demand and, you know, how the curves are going, and then share that information with the council so that there could be, um, sort of but I think it, it is difficult, especially within the zoning code, to build in that dynamism that reacts to that.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 9620.984, "end": 9632.356, "text": "I think it is a, a feedback loop where, where we look at what's happening, the trends, and we bring stuff back for you to decide which way we should adjust the regulations.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 9632.405, "end": 9632.919, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 9633.192, "end": 9643.583, "text": "But to have the regulations sort of automatically update themselves is not really how we can construct the regulations.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 9645.257, "end": 9645.421, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 9645.667, "end": 9646.505, "text": "I think I understand.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 9648.14, "end": 9654.808, "text": "Before I pass the mic, I do want to know if— you were asking some interesting questions, Councilor Novick, about capacity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 9655.403, "end": 9659.559, "text": "And I wonder if the gentleman with the jars, Mr. Labbe, wants to come up.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 9659.625, "end": 9668.509, "text": "And you look like you're chomping at the bit to answer I am the gentleman with the jars.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 9670.31, "end": 9672.766, "text": "My name is David Levy, aka David Levy.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 9674.63, "end": 9683.616, "text": "One of the interesting things is that the BPS proposal as currently written functions by removing tanks out of— taking tanks out of service.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 9683.68, "end": 9685.447, "text": "So the tanks are gone, they can't be used again.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 9685.707, "end": 9687.837, "text": "That's how capacity reduction— I believe that's true.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 9687.918, "end": 9688.048, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 9688.951, "end": 9689.145, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 9689.356, "end": 9698.476, "text": "Our proposal says that's fine, but really, if we want flexibility such as described by the industry, we're better off with more tanks with less fuel.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 9699.982, "end": 9709.558, "text": "And so if we do— if we follow our proposal, we would have more tanks allowing more flexibility.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 9709.834, "end": 9715.197, "text": "And one could even— I mean, somebody in the audience asked me, well, what if Suddenly we need more fuel.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 9715.92, "end": 9720.065, "text": "I might say, well, if the data shows that we need more fuel, there should be more fuel.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 9720.338, "end": 9721.928, "text": "This should be a data-driven process.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 9722.587, "end": 9726.298, "text": "But if we take the tanks out of service, that option isn't there.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 9726.94, "end": 9733.318, "text": "So our proposal actually gives the industry and the community much more flexibility.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 9734.635, "end": 9739.551, "text": "So I just think we're not saying that you can't take tanks out of service.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 9739.631, "end": 9761.892, "text": "It certainly makes sense that if a You know, I assume that in the RMIPs that will be coming down in the next couple years to the DEQ, that some of the tanks that are actually built very close to the waterways, and I, in our, in the picture that we showed, there is a particular facility that I can't imagine how they're gonna make a containment around those tanks.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 9762.456, "end": 9764.085, "text": "So they may wanna take them out.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 9764.634, "end": 9768.844, "text": "But that doesn't mean that we can't maintain the flexibility of the hub.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 9768.925, "end": 9781.017, "text": "I think it's really important if we're gonna have a I also just wanted to mention that, you know, we just had a conversation about planning a cyclical, shortened intervals.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 9781.29, "end": 9782.574, "text": "That's exactly what we want.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 9783.2, "end": 9789.687, "text": "And I don't really see that we're asking BPS to do anything more than what they've already committed to doing.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 9790.442, "end": 9795.034, "text": "They've already committed to getting data every 3 years, analyzing that data, and bringing it to you.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 9795.098, "end": 9795.435, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 9796.127, "end": 9807.153, "text": "All we're saying is take the next step, compare it to state data, which you can get, and bring a proposal or not to the council to see if a reduction is possible.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 9807.638, "end": 9812.778, "text": "And just make it iterative, cyclical, short reporting intervals, exactly what was just described.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 9813.418, "end": 9816.85, "text": "Our proposal gives you exactly that facility, that opportunity.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 9817.141, "end": 9817.53, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 9820.266, "end": 9820.913, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 9821.723, "end": 9822.775, "text": "I have myself in the queue, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 9823.322, "end": 9823.562, "text": "Nope.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 9823.883, "end": 9825.261, "text": "Councilor Cramling, are you ahead of me?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 9825.629, "end": 9826.222, "text": "That's an older hand.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 9826.286, "end": 9827.088, "text": "Okay, just want to make sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 9828.193, "end": 9831.094, "text": "Um, put myself in the queue, and I actually want to build on this exact same conversation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 9831.318, "end": 9853.339, "text": "Um, I, I could feel that sort of healthy tension about, uh, that broadly we want to have a data-driven understanding, but we also, as a city, as a capital C city government, uh, we need to be a little bit strategic and intentional about how the, the The regulations that we put in place are regulated.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 9853.917, "end": 9861.923, "text": "And in some circumstances, it absolutely, you know, I absolutely understand that we need to move towards a situation that is easier for a bureaucratic side to regulate.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 9862.516, "end": 9870.859, "text": "And from, you know, the amount of fuel in a tank versus the number of tanks, I mean, in theory, you can count the number of tanks using satellite views, right?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 9871.484, "end": 9873.827, "text": "It doesn't require somebody to go out onto the site.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 9874.709, "end": 9878.671, "text": "There are, Circumstances in our city right now that we're doing things like this.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 9878.719, "end": 9885.262, "text": "The Water Bureau, for example, has changed some of the meters so that somebody doesn't have to physically walk into my backyard and check how many gallons I've used.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 9885.31, "end": 9887.427, "text": "They can drive by and scan it with a thingy.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 9887.94, "end": 9888.63, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 9889.865, "end": 9895.366, "text": "I imagine that if there were something similar for parking enforcement, they'd love to not have to get out of their cars.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 9896.36, "end": 9903.179, "text": "But there are other parts of regulation and enforcement that simply require people to go be doing things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 9903.438, "end": 9908.043, "text": "Uh, we, we couldn't— you know, firefighters got to get out of the truck, right?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 9910.481, "end": 9913.197, "text": "Um, so from that perspective, this feels different.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 9913.31, "end": 9922.53, "text": "This feels like— I, I, I, I appreciate the intent to try and create something that is objective database but also easy to— easier to enforce and not creating additional expense.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 9922.578, 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10000.591, "text": "I'm known for that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 10001.314, "end": 10010.161, "text": "The, the— I don't think anyone disagrees with the idea of being iterative and changing our course if we get better data when we get that.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 10010.241, "end": 10024.32, "text": "That's why we built in those benchmarks The different approaches we're seeing is, do you regulate based on the tank capacity, or do you get into the business of tracking the volumes and the throughput?", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 10024.496, "end": 10032.956, "text": "And that process is— there's a whole process of tracking commerce in terms of receipts and deliverables.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 10033.02, "end": 10040.902, "text": "And that's how kind of when oil or any product really gets delivered from one company to another, there's paperwork and a paper trail.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 10040.966, "end": 10041.111, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 10041.159, "end": 10050.112, "text": "So you're building a much larger administrative apparatus to review all that material and make sure it complies with the standard.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 10050.353, "end": 10051.877, "text": "And that's the distinction I see.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 10052.037, "end": 10052.759, "text": "And Tom, if you—.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 10052.759, "end": 10054.572, "text": "Yeah, I agree.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 10054.668, "end": 10055.021, "text": "I wouldn't—.", "speaker": "Nikki Mandel" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 10055.021, "end": 10078.988, "text": "I'm sorry, I would also say that, um, it's just a question of at what frequency are you allowing that data to affect the system, because there, there also needs to be some predictability right, for business about how— what, what amount of fuel they can have at any given time and how they operate as a result of that.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 10079.068, "end": 10082.161, "text": "So I think that is also an important consideration.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 10082.338, "end": 10093.514, "text": "And while we have talked so much with the community and we've heard their requests for this, I think it's difficult to conceptualize how it would actually work in some ways.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 10093.659, "end": 10093.805, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 10094.012, "end": 10094.108, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 10094.156, "end": 10095.07, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 10095.935, "end": 10096.785, "text": "Okay, thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 10097.682, "end": 10098.147, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 10098.339, "end": 10100.327, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 10100.391, "end": 10102.186, "text": "And I was going to oversimplify with you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 10102.266, "end": 10103.388, "text": "Thanks for doing it before me.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 10103.693, "end": 10107.796, "text": "Um, Tom, Patricia, Eric, that was a— this was a great work session.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 10108.341, "end": 10129.951, "text": "And I don't think we've had too many work sessions on this topic where we were able to calmly have the dialogue, where we heard from the different, uh, people in the room There was some odd bedfellow moments even in that, which I still kind of going to reflect on.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 10130.869, "end": 10133.596, "text": "But I just want to first start off with thank you for the balanced information.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 10135.896, "end": 10151.096, "text": "As I listened to all of the reports and the presentations, it seemed that BPS did a decent job of holding that center and Nate, do you agree with that?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 10153.377, "end": 10174.028, "text": "Yeah, I think that we always have held in tension, uh, reducing risk and improving safety with ensuring the fuel supplies that, um, our larger economy needs and, and how you balance those 2 outcomes in a regulatory structure.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 10174.396, "end": 10177.246, "text": "Is what we're— that thread the needle there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 10178.019, "end": 10185.204, "text": "Yeah, and in fact, that was something that was refreshing, and people just admitted that we do need a fuel supply at this time.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 10185.753, "end": 10193.015, "text": "And so that was different than some of the discussions or theatrics that we have in this chamber on the topic.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 10194.912, "end": 10202.542, "text": "The nonprofit community that gave a fine presentation provided some pretty crisp amendments.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 10203.338, "end": 10213.905, "text": "And back to David, the visuals with the jars, you mentioned that you had many frequent thoughtful conversations with BPS.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 10215.612, "end": 10220.264, "text": "Were you surprised, back to the BPS, about what their proposals were?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 10220.558, "end": 10221.226, "text": "Did it—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 10221.389, "end": 10223.638, "text": "Was it in alignment with the dialogue that you were having?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 10224.786, "end": 10228.665, "text": "Yeah, I would say so, that nothing was a particular surprise.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 10229.022, "end": 10236.372, "text": "I think they gave a lot more detail in the, um, proposed, you know, ideas that they presented.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 10236.725, "end": 10238.923, "text": "But it wasn't what you put forward?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 10240.094, "end": 10246.673, "text": "I think that, again, because the conversations were a little bit more abstract, I think this had a lot more detail.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 10246.754, "end": 10256.189, "text": "For example, we had conversations about the verbs that are used in policies, and we explained that the comprehensive plan actually has a hierarchy of verbs.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 10257.345, "end": 10261.52, "text": "And there are typical words that we use, and there's a meaning behind those words, and we explain that.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 10262.306, "end": 10268.52, "text": "I think the idea of collapsing the land use reviews, it's an interesting idea.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 10268.584, "end": 10272.582, "text": "We've been thinking about it as staff based on the basis of receiving that input.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 10272.662, "end": 10281.879, "text": "I think it is quite difficult to have a uniform set of approval criteria for all of the different— those different circumstances and situations.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 10282.007, "end": 10282.055, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 10282.89, "end": 10285.939, "text": "So I think there could be something we could explore there a little bit.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 10286.003, "end": 10291.54, "text": "But I do think at the end of the day that it's going to be difficult to have one uniform set of approval criteria.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 10292.423, "end": 10292.744, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 10292.904, "end": 10294.942, "text": "Then you weren't surprised at the amendments.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 10295.793, "end": 10298.329, "text": "But when did you first hear about them or see them?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 10299.163, "end": 10299.34, "text": "A few—.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 10299.805, "end": 10300.319, "text": "Last week.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 10300.367, "end": 10300.864, "text": "Last week?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 10300.912, "end": 10301.827, "text": "I think last week.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 10301.875, "end": 10302.052, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Svetlana Lazarev" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 10302.293, "end": 10304.86, "text": "With your permission, I'd like to say something nice about BPS.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 10305.502, "end": 10307.91, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 10308.568, "end": 10312.565, "text": "Speak a little louder because you were funny and I didn't even hear what you said.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 10314.01, "end": 10315.085, "text": "I think it started in May.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 10315.439, "end": 10316.916, "text": "We've had a number of conversations.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 10316.98, "end": 10320.287, "text": "The first proposals they brought are not the proposals they currently have.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 10320.993, "end": 10330.433, "text": "I, you know, we would like to think that we had a good dialogue and that they produced actual changes and listened to us respectively, respectfully.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 10331.091, "end": 10347.267, "text": "And that although we didn't exactly end up at the same place, We believe our job is to keep pushing as far as we can, and that they have come— that the proposals have evolved very, very well over the time.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 10347.62, "end": 10356.738, "text": "And I would like to call out again, we were told by one of you, this is the way the new representative government is supposed to work.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 10357.298, "end": 10361.753, "text": "And to me, this process has been a poster child for exactly what we ought to be doing.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 10361.801, "end": 10361.897, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 10362.588, "end": 10372.173, "text": "Good relationships between the city and the community, people informed, talking to each other, having respectful conversations, and the thing moving forward.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 10373.667, "end": 10384.617, "text": "It's interesting to me, you know, Tom and I have been going back on the— I've been harassing Tom about this, you know, the tank fill levels and all that kind of stuff, and berating him.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 10385.147, "end": 10398.845, "text": "And I was really pleased in the current proposal to say that the list of data that I've been asking for, the average fill levels, the tank fill levels, the throughput levels, are actually there and they will be reported every 3 years.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 10399.374, "end": 10408.258, "text": "So I believe, I mean, I'm just, I'm thrilled that this, with this process, and I'm looking to you to finalize it.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 10408.659, "end": 10416.617, "text": "Our job as a community, I think, was respected, and I think we had a respectful relationship with BPS all along.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 10416.666, "end": 10417.716, "text": "So I thank them all.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 10417.845, "end": 10418.508, "text": "And there's—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 10418.589, "end": 10419.72, "text": "Thank you, Tom, and your staff.", "speaker": "David Labbe" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 10421.58, "end": 10422.709, "text": "Gives everybody a chance to do this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 10423.048, "end": 10423.452, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 10424.098, "end": 10427.552, "text": "Um, I do like the last amendment had accountability.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 10427.972, "end": 10429.812, "text": "Um, that's what I summarized it as.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 10429.989, "end": 10436.23, "text": "And I do hear that from a lot of people in the community from different variations of point of view.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 10436.877, "end": 10444.217, "text": "I do think that when the industry makes it really clear that 90% 90% of the state's fuel comes from this area.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 10444.378, "end": 10454.2, "text": "That's where we're always reminded that we have a statewide lens here and that Portland City Council has to be responsible for that statewide lens.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 10454.857, "end": 10466.987, "text": "I thought the DEQ presentation was brief and fine, but I didn't get enough understanding of how we're aligning with the state and also voices from across the state.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 10467.131, "end": 10473.486, "text": "I thought industry and the business lobby gave some words to that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 10473.534, "end": 10479.007, "text": "I don't think anyone would disagree, but we're not in a tiny little island here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": 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see, the modeling that we've done, and And to first— I think the first hurdle is to, is sort of to show that we don't need to expand a lot more capacity in the future to serve our needs, our wider state needs, right?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 10533.158, "end": 10535.616, "text": "The, the zoning code limits on expansion.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 10536.596, "end": 10548.163, "text": "And then the second, and, and I think more of what we hear about is any reduction in capacity and what, how that may affect fuel supplies downstate.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 10548.564, "end": 10561.216, "text": "And again, trying to show that there is room in the system and we are being thoughtful about that, um, and, and to, uh, get that information out there.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 10562.147, "end": 10571.7, "text": "We've worked with the Office of Government Relations to hold briefings with legislators so that they understand our approach and, and the data that we're looking at.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 10572.664, "end": 10591.016, "text": "We've also tried to show that, you know, not only are we using our own modeling, if you look at the state strategy, if you look at the state clean fuels program, if you look at the ODOT gas tax revenue forecasts, they're all pointing in the same direction.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 10591.353, "end": 10594.228, "text": "We're going to use less fuel.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 10594.565, "end": 10597.262, "text": "And the question is just by how much and how fast.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 10597.327, "end": 10597.519, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 10598.097, "end": 10608.303, "text": "And so I think that's what we've tried to do to address those concerns about Portland's regulations adversely affecting the rest of the, the state.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 10608.704, "end": 10628.011, "text": "And, and to put a point on a particular aspect of that that you heard from the industry, um, I think what we're hearing from the rest of the state most acutely is that issue of when there is a disruption, is having less capacity here going to make it more likely That's the crux of it.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 10628.846, "end": 10638.608, "text": "And because we have had examples where when we have a shutdown of the pipeline, that that can cause increases in price in different parts of the state.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 10638.737, "end": 10642.109, "text": "And so that's the crux of the concern from elsewhere.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 10642.574, "end": 10649.206, "text": "And would you agree, when the industry was on— Sophia was on the line, she mentioned that we only have 2 weeks of storage capacity.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 10649.254, "end": 10650.169, "text": "Is that consistent with what you're hearing?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 10654.067, "end": 10657.027, "text": "It's hard to— it's part of the data question and the quality.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 10657.381, "end": 10660.76, "text": "It's hard for us to assess that picture.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 10661.91, "end": 10670.768, "text": "And what— well, you saw her graphic of the headspace and the heel space, and, you know, is that working space?", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 10671.381, "end": 10675.081, "text": "I think it's consistent with what some of the pipeline disruptions that we've seen have shown.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 10675.13, "end": 10686.915, "text": "So it's not consistent with the but I think the shortages that those disruptions have caused have been more about how the terminals operate and how much fuel they have on hand, as opposed to needing a lot more tanks.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 10688.088, "end": 10696.54, "text": "It, you know, it, I think it has more to do with how they operate and just-in-time deliveries than it does what's the overall capacity of the hub.", "speaker": "Tom Armstrong" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 10697.36, "end": 10700.381, "text": "Okay, I'm thinking something that I shouldn't say.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 10706.011, "end": 10707.426, "text": "I'm still trying to decide.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 10708.99, "end": 10715.953, "text": "Um, I hope that, um, when we brought up the— who brought up the information about Eco Northwest and that it wasn't vetted into this?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 10717.379, "end": 10718.102, "text": "Someone did.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 10719.517, "end": 10721.704, "text": "Yeah, I just want to respond to that really quickly.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 10721.752, "end": 10724.501, "text": "I think there, there were a couple things that was a—.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 10724.759, "end": 10725.289, "text": "That was hanging.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 10725.908, "end": 10729.981, "text": "There, there were a couple things that were referred to, documents that were released more recently.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 10730.177, "end": 10730.324, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 10730.523, "end": 10731.169, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 10731.331, "end": 10739.527, "text": "And we did release last evening an updated— so that we had a parametric study, the modeling of the fuel demand modeling.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 10740.06, "end": 10742.295, "text": "That study was done sometime in 2025.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 10742.344, "end": 10745.421, "text": "I can't remember the date, Tom, but sometime in 2025.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 10745.567, "end": 10752.419, "text": "And then we were through all of these conversations, there was a request to use more up-to-date data if it exists.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 10752.564, "end": 10756.529, "text": "And there was some recent up-to-date data that was released.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 10756.593, "end": 10770.442, "text": "And so we had Parametrics just go back and redo all of the modeling with the newest data, the 2024 fuel demand data, and it didn't actually change things very much.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 10770.507, "end": 10780.67, "text": "And so that's why we released it in time for people to see it for the hearing next week, but it didn't change really any conclusions, and it doesn't change the recommendations.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 10781.345, "end": 10783.143, "text": "We just wanted to demonstrate that we did it.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 10783.432, "end": 10795.769, "text": "The other thing is the economic impact analysis was something that had been requested, and we hadn't had a chance to do it before the Planning Commission, but we did have it done between Planning Commission and Council.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 10796.169, "end": 10800.383, "text": "And that information, as soon as we were able to share that information, it was shared.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 10800.976, "end": 10804.805, "text": "And we summarized the findings of that report for you.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 10805.222, "end": 10810.685, "text": "And essentially, it concludes that, you know, it could not have an impact.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 10810.733, "end": 10812.015, "text": "There are certainly some potential impacts.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 10812.063, "end": 10812.239, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 10813.58, "end": 10822.12, "text": "Both reports are models and estimates and studies.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 10822.12, "end": 10827.12, "text": "And so there's a— you know, we talked earlier about the softness of Comp Plan language.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 10827.12, "end": 10830.57, "text": "There's also softness of certainty in these technical reports.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 10830.64, "end": 10837.61, "text": "And I think you're hearing from all parties here who will cite some of that uncertainty.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 10837.78, "end": 10838.36, "text": "So you can't really get a hard number.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 10838.356, "end": 10847.115, "text": "You I think may the question is, hear folks cite the Eco Northwest report as evidence that the economy will be disrupted, and you'll hear folks cite it as evidence that it won't be.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 10847.195, "end": 10851.623, "text": "And the uncertainty of the language in that report allows both interpretations, I think.", "speaker": "Eric Engstrom" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 10852.152, "end": 10856.612, "text": "And it's based on the data and the availability of the data, which we—.", "speaker": "Patricia Diefenderfer" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 10856.901, "end": 10881.299, "text": "There's certain data is just not available or there's conflicting information, which is why the reduction program I, I just will end with, I think sometimes government is slow to accept the reality of a big event, and I think that's when people question the data.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 10881.67, "end": 10883.961, "text": "I mean, you've seen this with our homeless response.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 10884.413, "end": 10890.027, "text": "We, we did models on how to do this right in 2014, and then fentanyl hit, and we had to adapt.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 10890.076, "end": 10890.205, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 10890.312, "end": 10891.354, "text": "Hit the streets.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 10891.836, "end": 10899.536, "text": "And so there should have been an immediate change to how we think about the homeless strategy after those poisonous and cheap drugs hit the streets.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 10899.777, "end": 10901.205, "text": "Councilor, we've got 4 minutes left.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 10901.301, "end": 10906.451, "text": "Okay, so I just want to say that I think we're dealing with that with the, the, the war that no one likes in Iran.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 10906.515, "end": 10907.51, "text": "And yeah, thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 10908.023, "end": 10908.601, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 10908.745, "end": 10910.622, "text": "Uh, as I said, we got 4 minutes left.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 10910.67, "end": 10912.339, "text": "Councilor Clark and then Councilor Knoll, and we're done.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 10912.836, "end": 10914.489, "text": "Uh, thank you, um, Councilor President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 10914.601, "end": 10918.354, "text": "I just want to say this has been an excellent work It's been a long time coming.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 10918.547, "end": 10919.301, "text": "We're almost there.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 10919.605, "end": 10920.472, "text": "I'm so excited.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 10920.953, "end": 10928.459, "text": "But I also just want to reiterate something that Tom said, uh, just quote him about threading the needle through opposing policies.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 10928.972, "end": 10932.549, "text": "You said balance the outcomes in a regulatory structure.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 10933.207, "end": 10933.88, "text": "Absolutely right on.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 10933.96, "end": 10934.923, "text": "I really appreciated that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 10934.987, "end": 10937.281, "text": "I want to ask Patricia, you can do this offline.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 10937.794, "end": 10945.973, "text": "I'm very supportive of the comp plan language changes, but you mentioned the hierarchy of verbs, and maybe offline you could tell me talk to me about that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 10946.47, "end": 10949.388, "text": "Or what, what is the hierarchy and how do you feel about the comp plan?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 10949.74, "end": 10950.125, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 10951.423, "end": 10951.568, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 10951.728, "end": 10952.546, "text": "Thank you, Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 10952.594, "end": 10953.427, "text": "Councilor Kanal, last word.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 10954.293, "end": 10954.501, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 10954.774, "end": 10959.374, "text": "Um, first I want to commend, uh, the presenters and, and specifically BPS.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 10959.503, "end": 10970.595, "text": "I think that the fact that there was enough time and possibility for advocates to come up with amendments was because of transparency through the process, and I think that's worth acknowledging.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 10970.66, "end": 10978.077, "text": "And, and I'm, I'm seeing not I don't think that there would have been the ability to have counterproposals if this was the first time people were hearing things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 10981.92, "end": 10989.297, "text": "I struggle with the idea of not approaching this with a public safety lens and not approaching this with PBEM here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 10992.489, "end": 11001.154, "text": "I am not interested in how readily available fuel is in a world in which thousands of Portlanders are dead.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 11001.832, "end": 11004.917, "text": "I— that's not of, uh, of, of an interest to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 11005.611, "end": 11012.394, "text": "I, I think, um, the, the hierarchy of verbs is important.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 11012.443, "end": 11014.467, "text": "The hierarchy of needs is also important.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 11014.692, "end": 11020.752, "text": "And I, I think we are living beings before we are consumers of fuel and anything else.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 11021.48, "end": 11034.954, "text": "So those are kind of big picture things, and I'd like to CP them here in the future, ideally with a fully hired, uh, CEI Hub planner, uh, which was funded in last year's budget, uh, to be the lead person presenting on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 11035.595, "end": 11049.894, "text": "Um, so I'm struggling with that, but I also think it's worth noting— I, I really appreciate the response you gave to Councilor Green— there's not another good place in the city of Portland for these facilities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 11050.503, "end": 11058.073, "text": "I don't know how we get to a place where there is a place outside of it, outside of the city of Portland, unless there is a shortage.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 11059.564, "end": 11066.943, "text": "I don't understand how we're planning for a world where we're still 90% of the state's fuel supply being in our city limits in the future.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 11067.263, "end": 11069.733, "text": "Even if that amount goes up or down, it's still 90%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 11070.808, "end": 11071.963, "text": "And I don't know how we get there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 11072.236, "end": 11075.748, "text": "I know there's some optimistic thing about the state, like they're gonna do anything.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 11076.486, "end": 11080.127, "text": "I'm still waiting on TriMet to be fully funded.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 11080.191, "end": 11080.4, "text": "So—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 11080.24, "end": 11082.66, "text": "So, uh, and our public meetings a lot to get fixed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 11083.061, "end": 11098.066, "text": "So I don't know how we fix it absent creating a situation where whatever percentage you're modeling that demand goes down— and I said this back when you presented 4 options— we have to reduce the amount by at least 1% more than that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 11098.611, "end": 11101.464, "text": "We have to make it so that they have to go elsewhere.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 11102.474, "end": 11106.225, "text": "And I don't understand how that's not the dominant part of the conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 11106.562, "end": 11107.493, "text": "Within the planning space.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 11108.393, "end": 11120.82, "text": "On the other side, I want to see PBEM here because it's a different conversation if we were able to get people off of what will be an island in North Portland functionally after a massive seismic event.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 11121.19, "end": 11124.594, "text": "It'll be different if the approaches to the St. Johns Bridge were fixed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 11124.642, "end": 11126.777, "text": "It would be different if the roads weren't in the sea.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 11126.874, "end": 11129.732, "text": "It'd be different if the Columbia Boulevard Bridge was fixed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 11129.828, "end": 11131.755, "text": "It'd be different if the railways stepped up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 11132.236, "end": 11143.547, "text": "And we've been focusing so much on one franchise in the last couple weeks here that the railway franchise and the 3 bridges over the North Portland Cut has not been discussed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 11143.884, "end": 11149.948, "text": "And how a 5-digit number of people are supposed to get off of this island, I don't understand.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 11150.446, "end": 11159.108, "text": "So I struggled with this entire topic today because of— I care about our economy, but there There's no economy without people.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 11159.909, "end": 11160.951, "text": "Thanks, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 11161.111, "end": 11161.864, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 11162.793, "end": 11163.386, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 11163.434, "end": 11164.588, "text": "Thank you to all our panelists.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 11164.636, "end": 11167.361, "text": "Thank you to folks who, uh, were hanging out in the audience with us.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 11167.441, "end": 11168.867, "text": "This concludes today's work session.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 11169.3, "end": 11171.03, "text": "The legislative record is open.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 11171.479, "end": 11174.187, "text": "This work session will be included on the record.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 11174.348, "end": 11189.253, "text": "The consideration of the ordinances for the recommended draft of the CEI Hub Policy Project, the comprehensive plan, and Title 33 zoning code amendments is scheduled for a City Council hearing on Thursday, September 24th, 2026 at 2:00 PM.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 11189.798, "end": 11202.911, "text": "Consideration of the ordinance for the bulk fuel terminal capacity reduction regulations amendments to Title 17 is scheduled for a City Council hearing also on, on Thursday, September 24th, 2026 at 2:00 PM.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 11203.584, "end": 11209.307, "text": "The testimony period for both of these items is open and testimony can be submitted in— hold on a second, y'all.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 11209.772, "end": 11214.261, "text": "Testimony can be submitted in writing or orally at the public hearing, both in person and virtually.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 11214.405, "end": 11216.121, "text": "This work session is adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 11216.249, "end": 11216.569, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" } ] }