WEBVTT

1
00:03:12.485 --> 00:03:13.479
<v Jamie Dunphy>Good evening.

2
00:03:13.543 --> 00:03:30.177
<v Jamie Dunphy>Before we begin our meeting of the Portland City Council, we have a pre-gavel All right, thank you, Council President.

3
00:03:30.258 --> 00:03:40.393
<v Robert Taylor>While I'm speaking, I'm gonna invite the Lincoln High School Constitution team up to the, uh, the front table here if you'd like to come.

4
00:03:40.442 --> 00:03:41.444
<v Robert Taylor>I know Ian will lead the way.

5
00:03:42.722 --> 00:03:55.305
<v Robert Taylor>But colleagues, uh, I'd like to use this time to honor Lincoln High School's 2025 Constitution team who won the state— the championship in Oregon and then the national championship in Washington, DC.

6
00:03:56.153 --> 00:04:06.188
<v Robert Taylor>They were the 7th team from Lincoln to win the national championship of this prestigious We the People, the Citizen and Constitution competition, and the 12th team from all of Portland.

7
00:04:06.798 --> 00:04:19.702
<v Robert Taylor>Their year was marked by some controversy and some confusion though, uh, with a miscount in scoring demoting them from 1st to 3rd while they were in Washington, DC, with Salem's Sprague High School initially being given first place.

8
00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:30.636
<v Robert Taylor>But when Councilor Green and Councilor Clark and I visited them, uh, a few days after the corrections were made and it was announced that they were actually first in the nation, and of course we're quite ecstatic.

9
00:04:31.725 --> 00:04:36.391
<v Robert Taylor>Already we're seeing the alumni of the 2025 team making a real difference in our community.

10
00:04:36.694 --> 00:04:57.427
<v Robert Taylor>They're running legal research projects, teaching classes to immigrants to pass their citizenship exam, serving on neighborhood association boards, running voter registration drives, founding civic dialogue-minded exchange programs, writing children's books, and being selected for Portland's Rose Queen, and even interning here at City Hall.

11
00:04:57.492 --> 00:04:59.576
<v Robert Taylor>Some of you may have seen the man in the center there.

12
00:05:00.442 --> 00:05:16.156
<v Robert Taylor>This team was also the last one to head to Washington, D.C. with the late and great Stephen Griffith, who served as a coach on the team since 2001 and dedicated his life to youth civic education and was his and this was his 4th time winning the national championship.

13
00:05:16.382 --> 00:05:28.387
<v Robert Taylor>The more than 12 coaches, many of all of whom worked full-time at the city's most prestigious law firms, graciously give their time to help the team's students become highly proficient in civic and legal matters.

14
00:05:29.060 --> 00:05:41.209
<v Robert Taylor>Programs like the Constitution Team, which exist in schools across the state and in all 4 of Portland's districts, are vital in advancing the importance of civic engagement and increasing the polarized world.

15
00:05:41.273 --> 00:05:41.369
<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

16
00:05:42.187 --> 00:05:52.237
<v Robert Taylor>As you prepare to move on to the next phase of your lives, I have no doubt that this program will be massively influential in how you think and act and vote.

17
00:05:52.862 --> 00:05:58.009
<v Robert Taylor>Hopefully some of you will come back and be the next generation of councilors, mayors, and administrators here in Portland.

18
00:05:58.392 --> 00:06:11.649
<v Robert Taylor>I want to congratulate the Lincoln High Constitution team, and before our esteemed last-day employee Ian reads the proclamation, I do want to turn it to Council President if any other councilors wanted to make remarks.

19
00:06:11.697 --> 00:06:20.826
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, if anybody wants to make any remarks, feel Just hugely proud of you guys.

20
00:06:20.891 --> 00:06:23.591
<v Sameer Kanal>It was so much fun to come to Lincoln and meet you last year.

21
00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:25.709
<v Candace Avalos>Really enjoyed it, and congratulations.

22
00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:28.802
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

23
00:06:29.012 --> 00:06:32.317
<v Angelita Morillo>As a fellow Constitution team nerd, I obviously have to say congratulations.

24
00:06:32.850 --> 00:06:34.031
<v Angelita Morillo>How exciting for all of you.

25
00:06:34.906 --> 00:06:41.766
<v Angelita Morillo>Very curious if you got to meet anyone cool or exciting when you were in D.C. Did you?

26
00:06:42.584 --> 00:06:45.298
<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah, we got to meet Suzanne Bonamici, who's our representative.

27
00:06:46.052 --> 00:06:46.517
<v Angelita Morillo>Very cool.

28
00:06:46.838 --> 00:06:53.805
<v Angelita Morillo>When I was in D.C., we got to meet Ruth Bader Ginsburg for the last time, and it was very, very exciting for our team.

29
00:06:53.855 --> 00:07:08.942
<v Angelita Morillo>So I think that there is really nothing more important right now than being able to study the Constitution and our laws, because we're at a time where free speech is being attacked, activism is being attacked, and we have a federal government that is really not supporting people of different viewpoints.

30
00:07:09.038 --> 00:07:14.343
<v Angelita Morillo>So the fact that we have young people who are studying that, who know how to fight that and are armed with knowledge, I think is really important.

31
00:07:14.391 --> 00:07:16.651
<v Angelita Morillo>So thank you so much for studying and for doing that.

32
00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:18.047
<v Angelita Morillo>Can't wait for you guys to lead.

33
00:07:18.302 --> 00:07:19.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

34
00:07:19.730 --> 00:07:20.596
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

35
00:07:21.814 --> 00:07:25.788
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, thank you so much for being great representatives of District 4.

36
00:07:26.702 --> 00:07:30.567
<v Mitch Green>You guys are very smart and you should go challenge all of us for our seats.

37
00:07:30.887 --> 00:07:31.208
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

38
00:07:33.916 --> 00:07:39.720
<v Robert Taylor>All right, with that, I just want to introduce Ian Conner Reyes, who was an intern in my office during the spring and summer.

39
00:07:40.249 --> 00:07:47.365
<v Robert Taylor>As Ian's internship has just concluded, we wanted to celebrate him and his teammates with this pre-gavel and this proclamation.

40
00:07:47.461 --> 00:07:54.307
<v Robert Taylor>The mayor has also joined in in this celebration by providing the proclamation for Ian and his teammates, and I've invited them to, to read that tonight.

41
00:07:54.387 --> 00:07:57.721
<v Robert Taylor>So he's been involved in everything since he started with us.

42
00:07:57.882 --> 00:08:04.567
<v Robert Taylor>His hands have been in every project and everything we've done, and it's been a great privilege to have him here, and I look greatly forward to wherever you are next.

43
00:08:04.630 --> 00:08:04.935
<v Robert Taylor>Thank you, Ian.

44
00:08:05.112 --> 00:08:07.199
<v Robert Taylor>So with that, Ian, why don't you take it away?

45
00:08:07.295 --> 00:08:08.901
<v Unidentified speaker>It's been a great privilege to be here.

46
00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:44.984
<v Unidentified speaker>I'll say before I start, whereas the Lincoln High School 2025 Constitution team demonstrated extraordinary dedication to civic education by winning both the Oregon State Championship and the We the People, the Citizen and the Constitution National Championship, and whereas the team became the 7th Lincoln High School team and the 12th team from Portland to win the national championship, reflecting Portland's longstanding commitment to civic education and youth leadership, And whereas the students demonstrated remarkable perseverance through a national competition that included an initial scoring error before the results were corrected and Lincoln was rightfully recognized as national champion.

47
00:08:45.465 --> 00:08:56.876
<v Unidentified speaker>And whereas the team was the final Lincoln Constitution team coached by the late Stephen Griffith, a dedicated champion of youth civic engagement who coached the team for more than 2 decades and helped guide 4 national championship teams.

48
00:08:57.645 --> 00:09:10.586
<v Unidentified speaker>And whereas the success of the Constitution team reflects the extraordinary dedication of its students educators, coaches, families, and community supporters who work together to prepare young people to understand and participate meaningfully in our democracy.

49
00:09:11.196 --> 00:09:23.129
<v Unidentified speaker>And whereas, the accomplishments of the Constitution Team alumni demonstrate the lasting impact of civic education, going on to serve their communities through public service, education, neighborhood leadership, voter engagement, and civic advocacy.

50
00:09:23.706 --> 00:09:31.469
<v Unidentified speaker>And whereas, Portland recognizes that an informed, engaged, and civically minded young generation is essential to the strength of our democracy and the future of our city.

51
00:09:31.533 --> 00:09:31.725
<v Eric Zimmerman>Second.

52
00:09:32.221 --> 00:09:51.489
<v Unidentified speaker>Now therefore, I, Keith Wilson, Mayor of the City of Portland, Oregon, the City of Roses, do hereby honor the Lincoln High School 2025 Constitution Team for their outstanding achievement as Oregon state and national champions, celebrate their commitment to civic engagement, and recognize the students, coaches, educators, and community members who made their success possible.

53
00:09:52.515 --> 00:09:57.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, with, with unanimous consent, I'd like to suspend the rules and give our folks a hand— a round of applause.

54
00:10:06.533 --> 00:10:07.115
<v Jamie Dunphy>Congratulations.

55
00:10:07.261 --> 00:10:07.714
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

56
00:10:07.778 --> 00:10:08.119
<v Jamie Dunphy>So much.

57
00:10:09.621 --> 00:10:10.738
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, and you can go.

58
00:10:15.169 --> 00:10:15.971
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call the roll?

59
00:10:17.570 --> 00:10:17.909
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

60
00:10:18.476 --> 00:10:18.769
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

61
00:10:19.384 --> 00:10:19.788
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

62
00:10:20.259 --> 00:10:20.470
<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

63
00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:21.394
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

64
00:10:21.538 --> 00:10:21.604
<v Steve Novick>Here.

65
00:10:22.090 --> 00:10:22.301
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

66
00:10:22.528 --> 00:10:22.625
<v Olivia Clark>Here.

67
00:10:22.932 --> 00:10:23.159
<v Keelan McClymont>Greene?

68
00:10:23.581 --> 00:10:23.937
<v Mitch Green>Here.

69
00:10:24.390 --> 00:10:24.716
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

70
00:10:24.958 --> 00:10:25.087
<v Eric Zimmerman>Here.

71
00:10:25.509 --> 00:10:25.756
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

72
00:10:27.522 --> 00:10:27.753
<v Candace Avalos>Present.

73
00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:31.913
<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

74
00:10:32.157 --> 00:10:32.432
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

75
00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:34.004
<v Keelan McClymont>Here.

76
00:10:34.328 --> 00:10:34.457
<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

77
00:10:34.976 --> 00:10:39.498
<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

78
00:10:41.059 --> 00:10:41.383
<v Robert Taylor>Good evening.

79
00:10:41.803 --> 00:10:43.519
<v Robert Taylor>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

80
00:10:44.004 --> 00:10:49.861
<v Robert Taylor>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

81
00:10:53.687 --> 00:10:57.409
<v Robert Taylor>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

82
00:10:58.163 --> 00:11:02.142
<v Robert Taylor>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

83
00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:04.998
<v Robert Taylor>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

84
00:11:05.687 --> 00:11:07.596
<v Robert Taylor>The presiding officer preserves order.

85
00:11:08.014 --> 00:11:17.062
<v Robert Taylor>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

86
00:11:17.655 --> 00:11:19.677
<v Robert Taylor>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

87
00:11:20.206 --> 00:11:22.900
<v Robert Taylor>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

88
00:11:23.333 --> 00:11:27.359
<v Robert Taylor>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

89
00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.255
<v Robert Taylor>Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

90
00:11:32.073 --> 00:11:34.254
<v Robert Taylor>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

91
00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:36.676
<v Robert Taylor>When testifying, state your name for the record.

92
00:11:36.821 --> 00:11:38.200
<v Robert Taylor>Your address is not necessary.

93
00:11:38.729 --> 00:11:41.471
<v Robert Taylor>If you're a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

94
00:11:41.952 --> 00:11:45.592
<v Robert Taylor>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

95
00:11:45.946 --> 00:11:46.220
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

96
00:11:46.910 --> 00:11:47.442
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

97
00:11:47.571 --> 00:11:50.950
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, our first item, as with every week, is the approval of the agenda.

98
00:11:51.496 --> 00:11:54.730
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have a rather large agenda, and I'm hoping we can get through all of it today.

99
00:11:55.289 --> 00:12:01.806
<v Jamie Dunphy>Are there any— do I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

100
00:12:02.356 --> 00:12:03.927
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any effort?

101
00:12:04.138 --> 00:12:04.639
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, great.

102
00:12:05.609 --> 00:12:06.595
<v Jamie Dunphy>The agenda is approved.

103
00:12:09.649 --> 00:12:10.639
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please move to public communications?

104
00:12:14.490 --> 00:12:16.866
<v Keelan McClymont>First up, we have Karen Hogue.

105
00:12:21.860 --> 00:12:22.903
<v Loretta Smith>Good evening, councilors.

106
00:12:23.739 --> 00:12:29.602
<v Loretta Smith>My name is Karen Hogue, and I live across the street from 855 Northeast Church Street in District 2.

107
00:12:30.407 --> 00:12:36.513
<v Loretta Smith>Last week, this house was given a 3-month foreclosure extension due to advocacy by a D1 councilor.

108
00:12:37.317 --> 00:12:46.105
<v Loretta Smith>While a lot of detail was presented about the circumstances of the owner, There was a dire lack of info about the history of this property and its effect on the community.

109
00:12:46.682 --> 00:12:50.678
<v Loretta Smith>She has had city liens against the property for 17 years.

110
00:12:52.154 --> 00:12:55.927
<v Loretta Smith>She has had chance after chance to take care of her property and has not.

111
00:12:56.312 --> 00:13:01.190
<v Loretta Smith>I was stunned that a foreclosure extension was granted to her based on personal matters.

112
00:13:01.783 --> 00:13:05.442
<v Loretta Smith>I wonder how many other owners on the list would like that same courtesy.

113
00:13:06.357 --> 00:13:10.818
<v Loretta Smith>I appreciate that my councilors, Kanal and Pirtle-Guiney, raised concerns.

114
00:13:11.317 --> 00:13:17.562
<v Loretta Smith>But they and the council did not get the full story, including the 4 written neighbor testimonies submitted for the meeting.

115
00:13:18.317 --> 00:13:25.366
<v Loretta Smith>Kevin Foster did not present a report from the clearout that happened this summer or go into detail about neighbor complaints.

116
00:13:25.945 --> 00:13:36.188
<v Loretta Smith>While Mike Massett was helpful to the neighborhood, he also did not provide you with documentation of the testimony neighbors gave that initiated the ordinance violations.

117
00:13:36.783 --> 00:13:42.626
<v Loretta Smith>You were not told about the foreclosure action in 2024 and why it was pulled back.

118
00:13:43.043 --> 00:13:49.434
<v Loretta Smith>You were not told that the guy enlisted to fix the house, a supposed contractor, did not repair it.

119
00:13:49.788 --> 00:13:57.044
<v Loretta Smith>Instead, he tore off the roof and put plastic on, scraped the wood siding and left it bare, and cooked food on the porch.

120
00:13:57.575 --> 00:14:09.745
<v Loretta Smith>You were not informed that this person was removed by the city, not the owner, From the property, along with a dead cat, a dead dog in a tote, and the hoard in the house and yard.

121
00:14:10.243 --> 00:14:16.940
<v Loretta Smith>There was and is an animal feces infestation in the yard that attracts rats and flies.

122
00:14:17.677 --> 00:14:23.140
<v Loretta Smith>It was also in the house when a police officer went in and rushed out throwing up.

123
00:14:24.167 --> 00:14:29.918
<v Loretta Smith>You were also not told what the neighbors have endured or what they encounter now because of this derelict property.

124
00:14:30.416 --> 00:14:37.293
<v Loretta Smith>What I saw was an incomplete report of the past situation and no report of what's going on now in our neighborhood.

125
00:14:37.870 --> 00:14:43.272
<v Loretta Smith>I am gravely disappointed that my neighbors and I did not have the advocacy that the owner had.

126
00:14:43.801 --> 00:14:47.072
<v Loretta Smith>For us, these problems are not on pause for 3 months.

127
00:14:47.568 --> 00:15:01.424
<v Loretta Smith>We still live with rats and flies, roof plastic spilling everywhere, ongoing safety and hypervigilance issues because of partying, break-in attempts, and camping on the property by people with serious weapons.

128
00:15:02.003 --> 00:15:05.325
<v Loretta Smith>When is it our time to be noticed and respected?

129
00:15:05.934 --> 00:15:14.907
<v Loretta Smith>I encourage the councilor to get reports from Kevin and Mike and evaluate the entire foreclosure process so that it's fair to all parties.

130
00:15:15.403 --> 00:15:34.086
<v Loretta Smith>Also, drive by this once beautiful turn-of-the-century home that was driven to the ground and is probably not habitable I have loved this house, viewing it from my porch, but sadly it will most likely disappear due to years of neglect by the owner and by the city that refused to take right action.

131
00:15:34.427 --> 00:15:35.695
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you so much.

132
00:15:36.556 --> 00:15:36.816
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

133
00:15:37.125 --> 00:15:38.164
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here tonight.

134
00:15:39.668 --> 00:15:41.297
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Rachel Jameson.

135
00:15:45.677 --> 00:15:46.145
<v Jamie Dunphy>Good evening.

136
00:15:46.905 --> 00:15:47.341
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

137
00:15:48.215 --> 00:15:49.865
<v Jamie Dunphy>Make sure to introduce yourself for the record.

138
00:15:50.447 --> 00:15:51.125
<v Rachel Jamieson>Rachel Jameson.

139
00:15:52.994 --> 00:15:55.322
<v Rachel Jamieson>Good evening, CA Lee and council staff.

140
00:15:55.725 --> 00:15:56.817
<v Rachel Jamieson>My name is Rachel Jamieson.

141
00:15:57.234 --> 00:15:58.823
<v Rachel Jamieson>I'm a lifelong everyday Portlander.

142
00:15:59.337 --> 00:16:01.796
<v Rachel Jamieson>I grew up in District 2, currently live in District 1.

143
00:16:02.533 --> 00:16:08.493
<v Rachel Jamieson>I've spent the last 9 years as a public servant with the Water Bureau and nearly 3 years on the CPPW bargaining team.

144
00:16:09.231 --> 00:16:16.169
<v Rachel Jamieson>I'm here to speak frankly about the stalled contract negotiations affecting our public employees and the potential consequences of these delays.

145
00:16:17.166 --> 00:16:20.827
<v Rachel Jamieson>Right now, employees are being treated as though our contributions are expendable.

146
00:16:20.875 --> 00:16:21.019
<v Rachel Jamieson>Thank you.

147
00:16:21.341 --> 00:16:27.966
<v Rachel Jamieson>We are unseen, unappreciated, and consistently denied the same benefits already offered to other unions across the city.

148
00:16:28.865 --> 00:16:32.988
<v Rachel Jamieson>The city's bargaining team has made little movement, and the inequity is unmistakable.

149
00:16:33.548 --> 00:16:40.095
<v Rachel Jamieson>They are signaling that this workforce, despite being absolutely essential, is somehow less deserving, and that is unacceptable.

150
00:16:41.234 --> 00:16:48.019
<v Rachel Jamieson>If these employees are forced into a strike due to these delayed negotiations, the public will face serious immediate consequences.

151
00:16:52.751 --> 00:16:59.741
<v Rachel Jamieson>Analysts who help manage violence prevention efforts in gun violence hotspots will not be there to coordinate interventions and keep communities safe.

152
00:17:01.076 --> 00:17:06.494
<v Rachel Jamieson>Recreation programs that families rely on, including programs that keep youth engaged and supported, will be suspended.

153
00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:16.122
<v Rachel Jamieson>Bilingual staff who communicate with residents about the safety of their drinking water will be unavailable, leaving many families without crucial, understandable information about public health.

154
00:17:16.170 --> 00:17:16.575
<v Rachel Jamieson>Councilmember Herbold.

155
00:17:17.876 --> 00:17:25.392
<v Rachel Jamieson>Coordinators who monitor, plan, and track the systems that keep wastewater out of our homes and rivers will no longer be preventing those dangerous overflows.

156
00:17:26.369 --> 00:17:35.951
<v Rachel Jamieson>Affordable housing contract staff who are working in the middle of a housing crisis will be unable to move critical projects forward, impacting your constituents who need stable homes right now.

157
00:17:37.184 --> 00:17:43.707
<v Rachel Jamieson>The mapping and planning of roadwork repairs and safety improvements will stall, delaying fixes to hazards residents encounter every single day.

158
00:17:43.755 --> 00:17:44.058
<v Rachel Jamieson>Councilmember Herbold.

159
00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:51.732
<v Rachel Jamieson>Advocates who support victims of violent crimes will be unavailable when community members need them and their assistance the most.

160
00:17:52.439 --> 00:18:00.402
<v Rachel Jamieson>And life-saving training programs that ensure our infrastructure is safe and ensure our sibling union members are protected from workplace hazards will halt.

161
00:18:01.429 --> 00:18:02.794
<v Rachel Jamieson>These programs are not optional.

162
00:18:03.035 --> 00:18:05.923
<v Rachel Jamieson>They prevent injuries, protect workers, and safeguard the public.

163
00:18:06.807 --> 00:18:08.540
<v Rachel Jamieson>A strike would not simply be disruptive.

164
00:18:09.038 --> 00:18:13.614
<v Rachel Jamieson>It would undermine the systems this city relies on for public safety, stability, and basic daily functioning.

165
00:18:13.662 --> 00:18:13.999
<v Rachel Jamieson>Councilmember Herbold.

166
00:18:14.690 --> 00:18:17.162
<v Rachel Jamieson>So City Council, you have a meaningful role to play here.

167
00:18:17.627 --> 00:18:24.772
<v Rachel Jamieson>You can urge the administration to change course, to stop delaying, and to bring these negotiations to a fair and timely close.

168
00:18:25.511 --> 00:18:31.902
<v Rachel Jamieson>These employees deserve parity, respect, and a contract that reflects the vital work we perform for every resident of this city.

169
00:18:32.496 --> 00:18:34.519
<v Rachel Jamieson>Thank you for your time, and I strongly urge you to act.

170
00:18:35.467 --> 00:18:36.527
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here.

171
00:18:37.778 --> 00:18:39.271
<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have David Sherman.

172
00:18:46.753 --> 00:18:46.883
<v Raymond C. Lee>Welcome.

173
00:18:46.932 --> 00:18:48.059
<v Jamie Dunphy>Feel free to introduce yourself for the record.

174
00:18:48.108 --> 00:18:49.737
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

175
00:18:50.446 --> 00:18:51.494
<v David Sherman>Hi, my name is David Sherman.

176
00:18:52.609 --> 00:18:53.299
<v David Sherman>Good evening, councilors.

177
00:18:53.701 --> 00:19:07.810
<v David Sherman>I'm here to talk about the property at 855 North Church, which this council voted last week to extend 3 months a decision on foreclosure, um, and I'd like to talk to you about the ramifications of that vote.

178
00:19:09.108 --> 00:19:18.705
<v David Sherman>I watched the meeting, and what struck me was that there was no consideration and no hearing from the neighbors that wrote in with their concerns.

179
00:19:19.442 --> 00:19:23.480
<v David Sherman>And instead, the discussion focused on the absent owner and her concerns.

180
00:19:23.544 --> 00:19:27.292
<v David Sherman>And she's hospitalized, which I have legitimate sympathy for that.

181
00:19:27.869 --> 00:19:30.048
<v David Sherman>But the problems at the property are not new.

182
00:19:30.897 --> 00:19:42.451
<v David Sherman>My wife and I moved in 6 and a half years ago, and in that entire time, the property has been either vacant occupied by squatters, and it has been deteriorating continuously the whole time.

183
00:19:43.478 --> 00:19:48.191
<v David Sherman>The key point I'd like to make is that I think the neighbors deserve to be heard as well.

184
00:19:49.265 --> 00:20:04.461
<v David Sherman>The things that are going on, which Karen also spoke to, are a concern with safety, where the house is a magnet for people that are squatters that come to drink and to smoke and to engage in activity.

185
00:20:05.054 --> 00:20:10.791
<v David Sherman>And any neighbor that walks by this house at night or during the day they will feel considerable unease.

186
00:20:10.983 --> 00:20:12.233
<v David Sherman>It just doesn't feel safe.

187
00:20:13.050 --> 00:20:22.648
<v David Sherman>The, the, uh, the second problem is one of health, in that there are rats on the property, and the rats spread throughout the neighborhood.

188
00:20:23.226 --> 00:20:30.019
<v David Sherman>And there are a surprising and impressive number of flies on the property that spread throughout the neighborhood.

189
00:20:30.757 --> 00:20:33.223
<v David Sherman>And the third problem is one of plastic litter.

190
00:20:33.817 --> 00:20:49.548
<v David Sherman>When the roof was removed, which you heard earlier, 2 years ago, The, the— A temporary tarp was put down made of woven polyethylene, and polyethylene, that material is made of thousands and thousands of spaghetti-like ribbons.

191
00:20:49.933 --> 00:20:54.479
<v David Sherman>And the tarp has disintegrated with the lack of the roof not being put on.

192
00:20:54.542 --> 00:20:56.646
<v David Sherman>It's just, it's a permanent structure there now.

193
00:20:57.402 --> 00:21:03.359
<v David Sherman>And every day, fistfuls of hundreds of those ribbons spread throughout the neighborhood.

194
00:21:03.746 --> 00:21:10.089
<v David Sherman>They land in our lawns, they land in our gutters, they land all over the place, and, uh, it's, it's litter.

195
00:21:11.087 --> 00:21:14.605
<v David Sherman>And so those are the ramifications for us, the neighbors, for 3 more months.

196
00:21:16.583 --> 00:21:18.612
<v David Sherman>I'm not sure if another vote is possible.

197
00:21:18.902 --> 00:21:25.474
<v David Sherman>If it is, I would ask you to consider that, and the neighbors that live here that are enduring this house ask you that.

198
00:21:26.317 --> 00:21:40.665
<v David Sherman>If a vote is not possible, I'd like you to consider that, that 3 months is a date on a calendar for you, but for the neighbors, it's 3 more months of reduced safety, of vermin, of health concerns, and of plastic litter.

199
00:21:42.259 --> 00:21:42.763
<v David Sherman>Thank you very much.

200
00:21:43.659 --> 00:21:44.472
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here.

201
00:21:48.342 --> 00:21:50.726
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Ocean Hassell.

202
00:22:02.963 --> 00:22:03.336
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

203
00:22:03.384 --> 00:22:04.384
<v Jamie Dunphy>Go right ahead, jump on in.

204
00:22:04.982 --> 00:22:08.051
<v Ocean Hasso>Councilors, for the record, my name is Ocean Hasso.

205
00:22:08.761 --> 00:22:12.401
<v Ocean Hasso>I'm a member of the City of Portland Professional Workers Union bargaining team.

206
00:22:12.663 --> 00:22:13.717
<v Ocean Hasso>Thank you for your time tonight.

207
00:22:14.970 --> 00:22:21.182
<v Ocean Hasso>My faith as an Episcopalian requires me to strive to respect the dignity of every human being.

208
00:22:22.166 --> 00:22:24.265
<v Ocean Hasso>This is in my church's baptismal covenant.

209
00:22:24.723 --> 00:22:30.325
<v Ocean Hasso>And for me, I live out the requirement of my baptism by being on the CPPW bargaining team.

210
00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:36.534
<v Ocean Hasso>I want to uplift the dignity of my colleagues and for them to earn a dignified living.

211
00:22:38.058 --> 00:22:41.434
<v Ocean Hasso>And yet it feels like the city doesn't recognize our dignity.

212
00:22:42.873 --> 00:22:46.153
<v Ocean Hasso>For 9 months, every other week, we've bargained in good faith.

213
00:22:46.730 --> 00:22:49.501
<v Ocean Hasso>The city, however, consistently shows up empty-handed.

214
00:22:49.550 --> 00:22:49.946
<v Ocean Hasso>Councilmember Smith.

215
00:22:50.814 --> 00:23:00.175
<v Ocean Hasso>The city says it's too broke for COLAs to keep pace with inflation and won't move us to the wage step system every other city union already has.

216
00:23:01.492 --> 00:23:09.650
<v Ocean Hasso>Yet the city can find money to pay executives to disappear, finding $1.3 million for severance packages just in the last year alone.

217
00:23:10.565 --> 00:23:17.374
<v Ocean Hasso>It even found $120 million for a billionaire basketball team owner who made his fortune selling risky car notes.

218
00:23:17.422 --> 00:23:17.694
<v Ocean Hasso>Thank you.

219
00:23:19.136 --> 00:23:20.323
<v Ocean Hasso>We're not asking for much.

220
00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:30.498
<v Ocean Hasso>All we're asking for is what all other city unions have: clear and consistent wages and the basic respect of a city that shows up prepared to bargain.

221
00:23:31.395 --> 00:23:36.507
<v Ocean Hasso>Yet the city and BHR drags us out showing up unprepared and offering pennies.

222
00:23:37.820 --> 00:23:39.791
<v Ocean Hasso>This is disrespectful and wasteful.

223
00:23:40.128 --> 00:23:44.487
<v Ocean Hasso>Mind you, each day of contract bargaining costs the taxpayer about $12,000.

224
00:23:44.535 --> 00:23:44.775
<v Ocean Hasso>Thank you.

225
00:23:46.059 --> 00:23:47.167
<v Ocean Hasso>I don't want to be here tonight.

226
00:23:48.163 --> 00:23:54.795
<v Ocean Hasso>I'd rather get to work and settle this contract, but it seems to me that the city would prefer labor problems over labor peace.

227
00:23:55.693 --> 00:24:02.982
<v Ocean Hasso>Well, let me share with you what the Book of Hosea says about problems: for they sow the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind.

228
00:24:03.898 --> 00:24:04.429
<v Ocean Hasso>Thank you.

229
00:24:05.344 --> 00:24:06.066
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

230
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.724
<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Rachel Whiteside.

231
00:24:19.650 --> 00:24:19.957
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

232
00:24:20.537 --> 00:24:21.030
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on up.

233
00:24:25.126 --> 00:24:27.596
<v Rachel Whiteside>Members of council, thank you for your time tonight.

234
00:24:27.905 --> 00:24:41.171
<v Rachel Whiteside>My name is Rachel Whiteside, and I am here on behalf of the nearly 1,000 Pro-Tech 17 members who keep the city working, performing vital services in nearly every bureau that benefits the Portland community.

235
00:24:42.084 --> 00:24:44.343
<v Rachel Whiteside>Portland works because we do.

236
00:24:45.288 --> 00:24:50.944
<v Rachel Whiteside>We get the development permits issued, keep the water flowing, traffic moving, and the roses blooming.

237
00:24:51.617 --> 00:25:02.160
<v Rachel Whiteside>We support the city's IT, keeping it secure and safe from outside attacks so that every city worker— police, fire, and yourselves— can do your jobs.

238
00:25:03.314 --> 00:25:05.028
<v Rachel Jamieson>We are there in moments of crisis.

239
00:25:05.540 --> 00:25:06.727
<v Rachel Whiteside>Thank you, PSR members.

240
00:25:07.318 --> 00:25:08.409
<v Rachel Whiteside>And times of rejoicing.

241
00:25:08.505 --> 00:25:08.696
<v Rachel Whiteside>Thank you.

242
00:25:09.445 --> 00:25:11.784
<v Rachel Whiteside>Portland works because we do.

243
00:25:13.461 --> 00:25:17.575
<v Rachel Whiteside>As you're aware, we have been in contract negotiations for nearly 18 months.

244
00:25:18.867 --> 00:25:28.715
<v Rachel Whiteside>You might not be aware that this is the first time our Portland chapter has ever failed to get a deal with the city during regular negotiations.

245
00:25:29.477 --> 00:25:32.844
<v Rachel Whiteside>We're talking about a 7-decade bargaining history.

246
00:25:34.317 --> 00:25:37.321
<v Rachel Whiteside>Ask yourself, What is really different in this moment?

247
00:25:39.609 --> 00:25:46.057
<v Rachel Whiteside>PROTECT 17 members are dedicated public servants who just want to be able to afford to live in the city they serve.

248
00:25:47.650 --> 00:25:59.727
<v Rachel Whiteside>Do you know that a food box was placed onto a floor of the Portland Building so that coworkers could donate food for their, for their peers who don't have enough at the end of the pay period?

249
00:26:01.125 --> 00:26:10.299
<v Rachel Whiteside>To quote one of our members who signed our pledge to strike, no city worker should need to rely on food assistance.

250
00:26:13.369 --> 00:26:28.063
<v Rachel Whiteside>The living wage in Multnomah County for one adult with one minor dependent is more than $1,000— sorry, more than $110,000 a year, and a thriving wage is more than $185,000 a year.

251
00:26:28.111 --> 00:26:28.419
<v Rachel Whiteside>Thank you.

252
00:26:29.467 --> 00:26:38.269
<v Rachel Whiteside>Our members don't earn a thriving wage and need our cost of living increases tied to inflation just to maintain their current living standards.

253
00:26:39.488 --> 00:26:50.455
<v Rachel Whiteside>Our members see the ballooning positions created as part of the city's new governance structure, as well as the golden parachutes when these people move on after just a couple of years.

254
00:26:51.513 --> 00:27:13.170
<v Rachel Whiteside>Again, to quote a member, it is unacceptable to ask workers to take pay cuts please, I urge you, bring us a fair proposal in mediation this Friday so we can settle these negotiations and get back to doing what we do best— keep this city working.

255
00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:17.785
<v Rachel Whiteside>We are Pro-Tech 17, and Portland works because we do.

256
00:27:18.510 --> 00:27:18.769
<v David Sherman>Thank you.

257
00:27:19.397 --> 00:27:19.994
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

258
00:27:22.413 --> 00:27:23.765
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes communications.

259
00:27:23.829 --> 00:27:23.943
<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

260
00:27:24.276 --> 00:27:25.094
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

261
00:27:25.238 --> 00:27:26.856
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you everybody for coming down tonight.

262
00:27:27.642 --> 00:27:35.449
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, our next item on the agenda, we're going to hear an update from the city administrator on a status of ongoing responses to federal interventions in the city.

263
00:27:36.074 --> 00:27:36.875
<v Jamie Dunphy>City Administrator Lee.

264
00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:38.863
<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you, Council President.

265
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:52.153
<v Raymond C. Lee>There are no new updates, uh, on the ICE facility litigation since our last time updating the council, but I do want to briefly flag our proud-to-be-a-sanctuary-city Uh, Pride campaign.

266
00:27:52.907 --> 00:28:06.660
<v Raymond C. Lee>This campaign invites businesses, faith communities, schools, and nonprofits across Portland to display posters affirming that we are proud to be a sanctuary city and that everyone belongs here.

267
00:28:07.431 --> 00:28:15.502
<v Raymond C. Lee>The posters also include information about what to do if someone witnesses an ICE enforcement action.

268
00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:25.068
<v Raymond C. Lee>They're available in 8 languages: English, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Simplified Chinese, Arabic, and Somali.

269
00:28:25.909 --> 00:28:38.818
<v Raymond C. Lee>Printed posters are available at city community centers, Portland Building, and Welcome Week events while supplies last, and downloadable, uh, print-ready versions are available at portland.gov/sanctuary.

270
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:49.086
<v Raymond C. Lee>We encourage community partners to participate and help us make that message of belonging visible throughout our city.

271
00:28:49.317 --> 00:28:49.592
<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

272
00:28:50.529 --> 00:28:51.209
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, City Administrator.

273
00:28:51.337 --> 00:28:52.826
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, any questions for the City Administrator?

274
00:28:55.376 --> 00:28:55.569
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

275
00:28:56.731 --> 00:28:59.071
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the consent agenda?

276
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.540
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, no items were pulled from the consent agenda.

277
00:29:02.622 --> 00:29:03.477
<v Keelan McClymont>I'll call the roll.

278
00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:04.864
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

279
00:29:07.003 --> 00:29:07.116
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

280
00:29:08.317 --> 00:29:08.753
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

281
00:29:09.662 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

282
00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:10.715
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

283
00:29:11.364 --> 00:29:11.493
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

284
00:29:12.336 --> 00:29:12.922
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

285
00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:13.164
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

286
00:29:13.473 --> 00:29:13.701
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

287
00:29:14.886 --> 00:29:15.017
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

288
00:29:16.553 --> 00:29:17.001
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

289
00:29:17.578 --> 00:29:17.626
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

290
00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:18.605
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

291
00:29:18.861 --> 00:29:18.910
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

292
00:29:20.223 --> 00:29:21.009
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith, absent.

293
00:29:21.105 --> 00:29:21.329
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

294
00:29:21.826 --> 00:29:21.954
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

295
00:29:22.709 --> 00:29:23.094
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

296
00:29:23.430 --> 00:29:23.478
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

297
00:29:24.007 --> 00:29:24.375
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

298
00:29:25.193 --> 00:29:25.289
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

299
00:29:25.931 --> 00:29:26.332
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

300
00:29:26.876 --> 00:29:26.924
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

301
00:29:27.693 --> 00:29:31.701
<v Keelan McClymont>The consent agenda is approved with a vote of 11 ayes and 1 absent.

302
00:29:31.942 --> 00:29:32.824
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, colleagues.

303
00:29:32.888 --> 00:29:34.619
<v Jamie Dunphy>Next 7 items are second readings.

304
00:29:34.667 --> 00:29:40.086
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're gonna read them or call them individually and hope to get through them with some expedience.

305
00:29:40.199 --> 00:29:41.608
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call item number 6?

306
00:29:42.708 --> 00:29:54.890
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-306, create a new non-represented classification of Council Public Information Officer and establish a compensation range for this classification.

307
00:30:03.357 --> 00:30:06.726
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, would you please call the roll on item number 6?

308
00:30:07.150 --> 00:30:07.996
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Koyama Lane.

309
00:30:09.258 --> 00:30:09.306
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

310
00:30:09.836 --> 00:30:10.238
<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo.

311
00:30:10.944 --> 00:30:10.978
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

312
00:30:11.443 --> 00:30:11.845
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

313
00:30:12.874 --> 00:30:12.922
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

314
00:30:13.516 --> 00:30:13.854
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

315
00:30:14.078 --> 00:30:14.126
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

316
00:30:14.641 --> 00:30:14.978
<v Keelan McClymont>Green.

317
00:30:15.846 --> 00:30:16.022
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

318
00:30:16.505 --> 00:30:16.857
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

319
00:30:17.452 --> 00:30:17.500
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

320
00:30:18.175 --> 00:30:18.320
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

321
00:30:18.498 --> 00:30:18.659
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

322
00:30:18.932 --> 00:30:19.287
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

323
00:30:20.913 --> 00:30:21.815
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, sorry, absent.

324
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:22.184
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

325
00:30:22.523 --> 00:30:22.571
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

326
00:30:23.666 --> 00:30:24.117
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

327
00:30:24.375 --> 00:30:24.423
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

328
00:30:25.035 --> 00:30:25.325
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

329
00:30:25.663 --> 00:30:25.711
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

330
00:30:26.163 --> 00:30:26.451
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

331
00:30:26.951 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

332
00:30:27.579 --> 00:30:30.473
<v Keelan McClymont>Ordinance passes with a vote of 11 ayes and 1 absent.

333
00:30:30.685 --> 00:30:31.042
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

334
00:30:31.092 --> 00:30:32.458
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call item number 7?

335
00:30:33.926 --> 00:30:44.991
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-247, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

336
00:30:53.470 --> 00:30:55.060
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, could we please call the roll?

337
00:30:55.531 --> 00:30:56.002
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

338
00:30:56.895 --> 00:30:56.944
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

339
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:57.935
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

340
00:30:58.357 --> 00:30:58.406
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

341
00:30:58.779 --> 00:30:59.121
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

342
00:30:59.332 --> 00:30:59.365
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

343
00:30:59.867 --> 00:31:00.079
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

344
00:31:00.487 --> 00:31:00.536
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

345
00:31:00.890 --> 00:31:01.035
<v Keelan McClymont>Green.

346
00:31:01.776 --> 00:31:01.952
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

347
00:31:02.372 --> 00:31:02.807
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

348
00:31:03.080 --> 00:31:03.144
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

349
00:31:03.467 --> 00:31:03.773
<v Candace Avalos>Avalos.

350
00:31:04.932 --> 00:31:04.965
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

351
00:31:05.963 --> 00:31:06.173
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

352
00:31:06.689 --> 00:31:06.738
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

353
00:31:07.349 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

354
00:31:08.299 --> 00:31:08.347
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

355
00:31:09.284 --> 00:31:09.817
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

356
00:31:10.157 --> 00:31:10.205
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

357
00:31:10.805 --> 00:31:11.113
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

358
00:31:11.372 --> 00:31:11.500
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

359
00:31:12.520 --> 00:31:15.676
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

360
00:31:15.984 --> 00:31:16.664
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

361
00:31:16.730 --> 00:31:18.526
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to number— item number 8?

362
00:31:20.869 --> 00:31:33.250
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, document 2026-248, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 Uh, within Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

363
00:31:34.296 --> 00:31:35.195
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think we just read that one.

364
00:31:36.278 --> 00:31:36.729
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, did I?

365
00:31:37.243 --> 00:31:40.400
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, 2026-248.

366
00:31:41.510 --> 00:31:41.768
<v Jamie Dunphy>What?

367
00:31:42.089 --> 00:31:42.846
<v Sameer Kanal>One is within—.

368
00:31:43.298 --> 00:31:44.762
<v Jamie Dunphy>There's 2 of them on the same thing?

369
00:31:45.068 --> 00:31:45.993
<v Jamie Dunphy>Why do I not have that on my agenda?

370
00:31:46.045 --> 00:31:46.536
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I'm wrong.

371
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:48.662
<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't see them on my thing.

372
00:31:48.743 --> 00:31:49.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, I see.

373
00:31:49.528 --> 00:31:49.627
<v Steve Novick>I'm—.

374
00:31:50.528 --> 00:31:51.821
<v Jamie Dunphy>My, my script is wrong.

375
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:52.788
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize, colleagues.

376
00:31:53.303 --> 00:31:53.883
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Keelan.

377
00:31:53.948 --> 00:31:54.994
<v Jamie Dunphy>You are always right.

378
00:31:56.123 --> 00:31:56.509
<v Keelan McClymont>No, I'm not.

379
00:31:56.702 --> 00:31:58.749
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

380
00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:05.032
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, Keelan, could we please call the roll?

381
00:32:06.490 --> 00:32:06.797
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

382
00:32:07.314 --> 00:32:07.363
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

383
00:32:07.881 --> 00:32:08.365
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

384
00:32:08.607 --> 00:32:08.738
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

385
00:32:09.174 --> 00:32:09.529
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

386
00:32:09.982 --> 00:32:10.031
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

387
00:32:10.566 --> 00:32:10.873
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

388
00:32:11.196 --> 00:32:11.244
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

389
00:32:11.844 --> 00:32:12.069
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

390
00:32:13.057 --> 00:32:13.234
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

391
00:32:13.492 --> 00:32:13.509
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

392
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:14.189
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

393
00:32:14.852 --> 00:32:15.029
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

394
00:32:15.710 --> 00:32:15.893
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

395
00:32:16.560 --> 00:32:16.612
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

396
00:32:20.356 --> 00:32:20.404
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

397
00:32:21.499 --> 00:32:21.515
<v Raymond C. Lee>Aye.

398
00:32:22.208 --> 00:32:22.223
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

399
00:32:23.093 --> 00:32:23.141
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

400
00:32:23.897 --> 00:32:26.826
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

401
00:32:27.374 --> 00:32:28.421
<v Jamie Dunphy>Could we please read the next item?

402
00:32:30.711 --> 00:32:31.810
<v Jamie Dunphy>Item number 9, then?

403
00:32:32.328 --> 00:32:32.473
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah.

404
00:32:32.652 --> 00:32:33.380
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, item number 9.

405
00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:33.719
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

406
00:32:33.929 --> 00:32:43.763
<v Keelan McClymont>Item 9, document 2026-250, initiate foreclosure action on North Columbia Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

407
00:32:44.117 --> 00:32:46.309
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is also the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

408
00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:47.325
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any further discussion?

409
00:32:51.058 --> 00:32:53.181
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll?

410
00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:54.571
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

411
00:32:56.446 --> 00:32:56.463
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

412
00:32:56.852 --> 00:32:57.611
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

413
00:32:57.999 --> 00:32:58.016
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

414
00:32:58.144 --> 00:32:58.192
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

415
00:32:58.711 --> 00:32:59.131
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

416
00:33:01.215 --> 00:33:01.248
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

417
00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:03.817
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

418
00:33:06.563 --> 00:33:06.854
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

419
00:33:08.646 --> 00:33:08.663
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

420
00:33:09.146 --> 00:33:13.164
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, the ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

421
00:33:13.642 --> 00:33:14.921
<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please read item number 10?

422
00:33:16.250 --> 00:33:26.945
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-253, initiate foreclosure action on 7101 through 7103 Southeast Division Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

423
00:33:30.425 --> 00:33:31.654
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any further discussion of this item?

424
00:33:36.573 --> 00:33:36.605
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

425
00:33:36.819 --> 00:33:36.836
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

426
00:33:37.133 --> 00:33:39.864
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Aye.

427
00:33:40.184 --> 00:33:40.521
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

428
00:33:40.730 --> 00:33:40.762
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

429
00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:41.534
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

430
00:33:41.775 --> 00:33:41.807
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

431
00:33:42.257 --> 00:33:42.417
<v Keelan McClymont>Green.

432
00:33:43.381 --> 00:33:43.557
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

433
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:44.328
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

434
00:33:45.147 --> 00:33:45.421
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

435
00:33:46.690 --> 00:33:47.044
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

436
00:33:47.396 --> 00:33:47.574
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

437
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:48.424
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

438
00:33:48.682 --> 00:33:48.810
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

439
00:33:49.260 --> 00:33:49.486
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

440
00:33:49.807 --> 00:33:49.823
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

441
00:33:50.305 --> 00:33:50.594
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

442
00:33:51.011 --> 00:33:51.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

443
00:33:51.653 --> 00:33:54.497
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent vote.

444
00:33:54.866 --> 00:33:55.220
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

445
00:33:55.365 --> 00:33:56.698
<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we read item number 11?

446
00:33:56.971 --> 00:34:07.138
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-260, initiate foreclosure action on 5706 Southeast Lambert Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

447
00:34:07.769 --> 00:34:08.106
<v Jamie Dunphy>Guess what?

448
00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.393
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance as well.

449
00:34:11.085 --> 00:34:12.422
<v Jamie Dunphy>Any further council discussion?

450
00:34:17.175 --> 00:34:17.240
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

451
00:34:17.338 --> 00:34:17.353
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

452
00:34:17.646 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Dan Ryan.

453
00:34:19.981 --> 00:34:20.028
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

454
00:34:20.547 --> 00:34:21.018
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Mitch Green.

455
00:34:26.936 --> 00:34:27.114
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

456
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:35.014
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

457
00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:36.010
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

458
00:34:36.010 --> 00:34:41.469
<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we— is it item 12 now?

459
00:34:41.469 --> 00:34:42.329
<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah, item 12.

460
00:34:42.329 --> 00:34:43.150
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

461
00:34:43.409 --> 00:34:59.170
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-256, initiate foreclosure action on 2734 through 2730— no, wait, did I just— no, Northeast— 2738 Northeast Alberta Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

462
00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:02.289
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yet again, second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

463
00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:03.702
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any further discussion?

464
00:35:07.539 --> 00:35:13.117
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, can we please call the roll on item number 12?

465
00:35:13.376 --> 00:35:13.554
<v Sheila Craig>Aye.

466
00:35:14.509 --> 00:35:14.557
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

467
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.032
<v Ocean Hasso>Aye.

468
00:35:17.210 --> 00:35:17.257
<v Ocean Hasso>Aye.

469
00:35:17.534 --> 00:35:17.565
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

470
00:35:18.326 --> 00:35:18.423
<v Ocean Hasso>Aye.

471
00:35:18.666 --> 00:35:18.715
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

472
00:35:19.038 --> 00:35:19.054
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

473
00:35:19.233 --> 00:35:19.248
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

474
00:35:19.605 --> 00:35:19.686
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

475
00:35:20.898 --> 00:35:21.028
<v Tracy Warren>Aye.

476
00:35:21.547 --> 00:35:21.594
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

477
00:35:24.548 --> 00:35:28.838
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

478
00:35:29.382 --> 00:35:33.472
<v Jamie Dunphy>I would like to thank everybody at home for what affectionately has been called a pirate party.

479
00:35:33.697 --> 00:35:33.873
<v Tracy Warren>Aye.

480
00:35:34.195 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Jamie Dunphy>That was a lot of it.

481
00:35:36.905 --> 00:35:38.733
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please call item number 13.

482
00:35:39.552 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-263, consent to franchise transfer from Zenith Energy Terminals Holdings LLC to ISQ Springer Holdings LLC, amend ordinance 188554.

483
00:35:52.722 --> 00:35:56.411
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, this is also the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

484
00:35:56.809 --> 00:35:58.226
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there further council discussion?

485
00:36:02.525 --> 00:36:03.172
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

486
00:36:04.547 --> 00:36:06.166
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, thank you, Council President.

487
00:36:06.893 --> 00:36:40.083
<v Angelita Morillo>I just want to, um, say that I will not be able to support the franchise transfer this evening because we did not approve some of the amendments that I feel would have made the transfer much more palatable to me and to the many advocates who have fought for We were trying to add accountability measures so that if the city fails to hold this oil company accountable, the public has recourse that is very common within environmental law, and we did not get a 7th vote for that.

488
00:36:40.563 --> 00:36:43.336
<v Angelita Morillo>And so because of that, this is moving forward as is.

489
00:36:44.554 --> 00:36:47.103
<v Angelita Morillo>And I can't really in good conscience support this.

490
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.068
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that this was a very common sense measure to make improvements.

491
00:36:50.132 --> 00:36:50.309
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

492
00:36:50.923 --> 00:36:53.884
<v Angelita Morillo>And this council was unwilling to make those changes.

493
00:36:53.996 --> 00:37:00.271
<v Angelita Morillo>So because of that, I'm going to be a no vote, but I just wanted to reiterate why it is I will not be supporting this at this time.

494
00:37:00.608 --> 00:37:00.882
<v Michael Currier>Thank you.

495
00:37:01.172 --> 00:37:02.059
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

496
00:37:02.237 --> 00:37:02.688
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

497
00:37:04.556 --> 00:37:05.621
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

498
00:37:06.588 --> 00:37:10.340
<v Mitch Green>Like Councilor Morillo, I won't be able to support this ordinance at this time.

499
00:37:12.228 --> 00:37:17.148
<v Mitch Green>Council has the right to place conditions on franchise agreements that it deems reasonable.

500
00:37:18.164 --> 00:37:19.865
<v Mitch Green>That's in the language of those franchises.

501
00:37:20.027 --> 00:37:36.838
<v Mitch Green>I think it was always reasonable to have public process, to hear from the community, to gather ideas from the community, and talk about ways to build trust together as a community with, with a fossil fuel company, which has a long history of broken promises in this town.

502
00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:38.282
<v Mitch Green>I think we missed an opportunity there.

503
00:37:38.331 --> 00:37:40.835
<v Mitch Green>So at this time, I can't, I can't sign my name on this.

504
00:37:41.268 --> 00:37:41.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

505
00:37:42.152 --> 00:37:42.777
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

506
00:37:49.052 --> 00:37:49.534
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

507
00:37:50.804 --> 00:37:56.460
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, um, I first— I just want to say thanks to the staff that have been working on this, um, throughout.

508
00:37:56.509 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I, I, I understand that like when people vote yes or no, often it can feel like a reflection of the work that you've done, and I don't want it to feel that way when I join at least 2 of my colleagues in voting no on this.

509
00:38:07.777 --> 00:38:10.518
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I, I just wanted to, to mention that.

510
00:38:10.583 --> 00:38:21.943
<v Sameer Kanal>I also I imagine this will pass and hopefully we'll be able to continue the conversation with the new ownership after that takes over and try to help work on that trust going forward.

511
00:38:22.329 --> 00:38:25.702
<v Sameer Kanal>Because right now, because of the previous owner, it's not there.

512
00:38:26.184 --> 00:38:28.929
<v Sameer Kanal>And that's not what this vote's about for me.

513
00:38:29.155 --> 00:38:58.092
<v Sameer Kanal>This vote is about the specific qualifications and how there wasn't a clear sort of criterion and rubric for that, and I didn't find that the information that I'd requested, which I was led to believe existed, actually existed sufficient to meet the criteria that, that, um, would have allowed us to be confident in the technical, legal, and financial qualifications of the, um, I guess the recipient of the, the franchise transfer.

514
00:38:58.141 --> 00:38:59.168
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's why I'm going to be voting no.

515
00:38:59.666 --> 00:39:12.976
<v Sameer Kanal>But I, I wanted to, um, sort of express some optimism going forward because even though I am voting no, I, I imagine this will will pass, um, and see that we can, can continue these conversations to try and build that trust going forward and see that there's change in this terminal.

516
00:39:16.362 --> 00:39:17.536
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

517
00:39:22.394 --> 00:39:27.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll?

518
00:39:28.516 --> 00:39:29.815
<v Keelan McClymont>Calling the roll on 2026-263.

519
00:39:31.333 --> 00:39:33.150
<v Keelan McClymont>Ayes, 3.

520
00:39:33.507 --> 00:39:33.670
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

521
00:39:34.985 --> 00:39:35.211
<v Loretta Smith>No.

522
00:39:35.634 --> 00:39:35.715
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

523
00:39:36.266 --> 00:39:36.315
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

524
00:39:36.851 --> 00:39:37.257
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

525
00:39:37.728 --> 00:39:37.775
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

526
00:39:39.664 --> 00:39:39.827
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

527
00:39:40.471 --> 00:39:40.858
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

528
00:39:41.115 --> 00:39:41.148
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

529
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:42.067
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

530
00:39:42.501 --> 00:39:42.646
<v Candace Avalos>No.

531
00:39:43.630 --> 00:39:44.081
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

532
00:39:44.418 --> 00:39:44.581
<v Sameer Kanal>No.

533
00:39:46.659 --> 00:39:47.065
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

534
00:39:48.137 --> 00:39:48.186
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

535
00:39:49.112 --> 00:39:49.340
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

536
00:39:50.005 --> 00:39:50.021
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

537
00:39:50.735 --> 00:39:51.077
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

538
00:39:55.384 --> 00:39:55.465
<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

539
00:39:55.916 --> 00:39:59.775
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance fails to pass with a vote of 5 ayes, 6 nays, and 1 absent.

540
00:40:01.831 --> 00:40:03.101
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, point of information.

541
00:40:03.777 --> 00:40:04.099
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor.

542
00:40:04.565 --> 00:40:13.817
<v Mitch Green>Um, this—.

543
00:40:14.027 --> 00:40:18.777
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In a process like this, this was a transfer agreement process.

544
00:40:19.697 --> 00:40:30.088
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Does this now go back to staff for additional information and consideration, or does this I am unclear.

545
00:40:34.762 --> 00:40:37.179
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are having some folks confer.

546
00:40:42.460 --> 00:40:44.418
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, request for information, Council President.

547
00:40:44.498 --> 00:40:48.367
<v Sameer Kanal>Would it be possible for us to have that conversation return?

548
00:40:49.059 --> 00:40:53.030
<v Sameer Kanal>Can, can we check in on that question and, and the update to it later in this meeting?

549
00:40:54.755 --> 00:40:57.460
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think for the purposes of this agenda, yes, we actually can do that.

550
00:40:57.784 --> 00:41:00.264
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, just from a, like, a rules and process update.

551
00:41:00.788 --> 00:41:01.028
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

552
00:41:01.157 --> 00:41:02.188
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't want to—.

553
00:41:02.284 --> 00:41:05.954
<v Jamie Dunphy>So item 13 has not received sufficient votes to pass.

554
00:41:06.067 --> 00:41:06.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>The item fails.

555
00:41:06.807 --> 00:41:07.907
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are going to call item 14.

556
00:41:07.956 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-277, appropriate grant award of $207,411 First Speed Racing Street Takeover.

557
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.793
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

558
00:41:28.858 --> 00:41:33.387
<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamsick from Council Operations is here with a committee staff summary report.

559
00:41:33.612 --> 00:41:34.438
<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire, take it away.

560
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.896
<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

561
00:41:37.009 --> 00:41:48.440
<v Claire Adamsick>For the record— sorry, Claire Adamsick— and I'm reading on behalf of Kevin Alvarez, who staffs the Community and Public Safety Committee, and Kevin prepared this committee staff summary but couldn't be here tonight.

562
00:41:49.445 --> 00:41:59.661
<v Claire Adamsick>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-277, was heard in the Community and Public Safety Committee on August 4th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass.

563
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:25.485
<v Claire Adamsick>The ordinance amends the fiscal year 2026-27 budget and allows the city to appropriate $207,411.35 in grant funds awarded by the State Transportation Safety Office the grant will fund Portland Police Bureau overtime missions to combat planned and ad hoc speed racing and street takeover events.

564
00:42:26.289 --> 00:42:32.472
<v Claire Adamsick>The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

565
00:42:33.050 --> 00:42:39.556
<v Claire Adamsick>No verbal or written testimony was provided on this item prior to committee action, and that concludes the committee staff summary.

566
00:42:39.619 --> 00:42:39.715
<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you.

567
00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:39.989
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

568
00:42:40.277 --> 00:42:40.838
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

569
00:42:40.902 --> 00:42:42.699
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, this came out of your committee.

570
00:42:42.746 --> 00:42:44.510
<v Jamie Dunphy>Any committee chair remarks?

571
00:42:45.054 --> 00:42:57.302
<v Steve Novick>Yeah, I just want to reiterate that the committee members were interested in receiving more in-depth information about the plan for grant funds, including data, examples of past work related to these grants, and more granular planning and timeline for the funds.

572
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:04.804
<v Steve Novick>I think that this is an instance of where the administration is gradually getting used to the idea that we don't rubber stamp things.

573
00:43:04.853 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Steve Novick>We want more information.

574
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:07.251
<v Steve Novick>And I think they got that message.

575
00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:08.918
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

576
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:13.775
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, are there any— uh, first of all, Keelan, is there anyone signed up for public testimony on this item?

577
00:43:14.161 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Keelan McClymont>We have one person signed up on this item.

578
00:43:17.454 --> 00:43:17.711
<v Keelan McClymont>Great.

579
00:43:18.018 --> 00:43:18.695
<v Keelan McClymont>Would you like me to call them up?

580
00:43:18.824 --> 00:43:19.164
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, let—.

581
00:43:19.164 --> 00:43:24.643
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, colleagues, I'm going to hold technical or clarifying or, uh, questions for the council discussion, and let's move to public testimony.

582
00:43:25.016 --> 00:43:25.340
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay.

583
00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:27.728
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, Edith Gillis.

584
00:43:30.467 --> 00:43:31.007
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, Edith.

585
00:43:31.121 --> 00:43:31.418
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on up.

586
00:43:32.434 --> 00:43:34.952
<v Edith Gillis>Hello, I'm Edith Gillis, District 3.

587
00:43:35.626 --> 00:43:50.929
<v Edith Gillis>I want you to remember that the Portland voters voted overwhelmingly that in any time that you spend any money on police, 5% is to go to the Police Accountability Board.

588
00:43:51.762 --> 00:44:03.943
<v Edith Gillis>If you're going to pass this to give more money for police because they haven't planned properly, they're not doing their job right, You need to at least give 5% to the oversight and police accountability.

589
00:44:04.603 --> 00:44:09.798
<v Edith Gillis>There are many other ways to prevent street takeovers and dangerous driving.

590
00:44:10.547 --> 00:44:12.126
<v Edith Gillis>This is not the way to do that.

591
00:44:14.269 --> 00:44:14.693
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

592
00:44:18.425 --> 00:44:19.389
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

593
00:44:19.550 --> 00:44:20.338
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

594
00:44:20.755 --> 00:44:26.364
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we're now in council discussion as well as technical or clarifying questions, and we have some staff available in the room.

595
00:44:26.963 --> 00:44:28.650
<v Jamie Dunphy>Anybody would like to answer?

596
00:44:29.034 --> 00:44:29.501
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

597
00:44:30.336 --> 00:44:33.195
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I mean, I'll ask the question, uh, based on that.

598
00:44:33.244 --> 00:44:49.072
<v Sameer Kanal>I think, um, the way that it was characterized in committee was that effectively this was allowing an expenditure, um, and I wanted to just understand that would imply that it's effectively the 5% is already handled.

599
00:44:49.445 --> 00:44:59.514
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just wanted to check with the lawyers on that and, and, uh, make sure that we were either Told correctly or read between the lines correctly, um, when that conversation happened.

600
00:45:00.382 --> 00:45:13.277
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so I'll give— I'm pausing for them to hear, but, uh, while they're figuring that out, I'll say that as we went through the— we should generally be considering grants.

601
00:45:13.423 --> 00:45:24.657
<v Sameer Kanal>It's a fascinating thing that we do here because we vote on the grant, but it doesn't always affect a decision on the policy that we're— that, that Or what it is that we're spending the money to do, right?

602
00:45:24.994 --> 00:45:29.313
<v Sameer Kanal>So sometimes we're— it's characterized as, do you want free money or not?

603
00:45:29.635 --> 00:45:33.777
<v Sameer Kanal>Though, yes, if you do, but sometimes it's about what are we spending the money on?

604
00:45:34.291 --> 00:45:41.050
<v Sameer Kanal>And so while this one makes sense to me, I'm gonna bring up in the other, the second grant that's coming up today, a concern about these sorts of things.

605
00:45:41.581 --> 00:45:45.385
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I just wanted to flag that as a distinction between the 2 grants as well.

606
00:45:45.449 --> 00:45:45.579
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

607
00:45:46.222 --> 00:45:54.188
<v Sameer Kanal>Because we are ultimately deciding not only if we want money, which obviously the city would like to have money appropriated to us, but also what it's being spent on.

608
00:45:55.132 --> 00:46:03.340
<v Sameer Kanal>And while I generally support this particular grant and what it would be spent on, I am curious about the answer to the question raised in testimony.

609
00:46:05.342 --> 00:46:08.318
<v Sameer Kanal>I was in the hall working on another issue.

610
00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:11.608
<v Sameer Kanal>Can you restate the question?

611
00:46:11.673 --> 00:46:12.295
<v Sameer Kanal>Absolutely.

612
00:46:14.018 --> 00:46:21.132
<v Sameer Kanal>In committee, it was characterized to us that effectively this vote was about spending money in a specific way.

613
00:46:21.806 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Sameer Kanal>And maybe I misread between the lines on that, but the, the— in testimony, it was raised that in order to spend this $207,000, we'd have to add, you know, a little over $10,000, the 5%, to the OCPA budget, the Office of Community-Based Police Accountability.

614
00:46:36.418 --> 00:46:38.456
<v Sameer Kanal>And the question was, did we already handle that?

615
00:46:40.550 --> 00:46:44.184
<v Sameer Kanal>Oh, that's a great question.

616
00:46:44.233 --> 00:46:46.581
<v Robert Taylor>I'm Robert Taylor, uh, City Attorney, for the record.

617
00:46:46.646 --> 00:46:50.766
<v Robert Taylor>That might, that might be a question better asked to the budget office.

618
00:46:51.702 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Steve Novick>Okay.

619
00:46:54.445 --> 00:47:01.208
<v Sameer Kanal>By any chance— I'm not trying to be funny— by any chance, is, is CFO Biery or anyone from the CBO here?

620
00:47:04.809 --> 00:47:06.068
<v Sameer Kanal>And we don't have to vote on this till next week.

621
00:47:06.135 --> 00:47:15.838
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't understand, it's a first reading, but that, that That would be a thing that would change my vote is if we didn't follow the 5% rule on something that I would otherwise be voting yes on.

622
00:47:15.885 --> 00:47:19.922
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm just trying to understand that and get information, Council President.

623
00:47:20.019 --> 00:47:22.413
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

624
00:47:23.318 --> 00:47:23.755
<v Steve Novick>We are—.

625
00:47:25.534 --> 00:47:27.114
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have staff to be able to respond to this?

626
00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:37.943
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor, I think we will have to come back to your answer and ask for the administration to get some response.

627
00:47:38.170 --> 00:47:38.574
<v Jamie Dunphy>Appreciate it.

628
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:38.898
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

629
00:47:39.027 --> 00:47:39.498
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

630
00:47:40.501 --> 00:47:42.425
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

631
00:47:43.969 --> 00:47:45.929
<v Candace Avalos>So, um, I've got some questions.

632
00:47:45.976 --> 00:47:57.414
<v Candace Avalos>I think that I have— in general, I have concerns anytime we are asked to add funding for police enforcement without clear evidence about what outcomes that additional spending will produce.

633
00:47:58.224 --> 00:48:02.592
<v Candace Avalos>Um, obviously street racing and takeovers can create serious safety risks.

634
00:48:02.706 --> 00:48:08.170
<v Candace Avalos>We've experienced it a lot in East Portland, and we have a responsibility to address them.

635
00:48:08.835 --> 00:48:14.018
<v Candace Avalos>But that doesn't mean that every enforcement strategy is automatically effective or justified.

636
00:48:14.083 --> 00:48:24.291
<v Candace Avalos>So before approving additional overtime and surveillance equipment, I want to understand how these funds will be used, how success is measured, and what safeguards are in place.

637
00:48:25.934 --> 00:48:30.539
<v Candace Avalos>Council President, are there folks— I guess, are these kinds of questions to police leadership?

638
00:48:30.588 --> 00:48:31.248
<v Candace Avalos>Are they in the room?

639
00:48:31.329 --> 00:48:31.554
<v Candace Avalos>Or I don't—.

640
00:48:32.628 --> 00:48:41.253
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have in my notes that Sergeant Petrov from PPB is supposed to be here, uh, Sheila Craig from the grant manager's office, and Ben Smoon with the grant analysts.

641
00:48:41.365 --> 00:48:43.784
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I don't know if any of those 3 people are the right to speak.

642
00:48:44.186 --> 00:48:46.297
<v Jamie Dunphy>If, uh, Sergeant Petrov is here, potentially.

643
00:48:47.409 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Jamie Dunphy>Hey, folks, welcome.

644
00:48:55.137 --> 00:48:56.251
<v Greg Moore>I am not Sergeant Petrov.

645
00:48:56.347 --> 00:48:57.711
<v Greg Moore>I am, uh, Lieutenant Greg Moore.

646
00:48:58.853 --> 00:48:59.208
<v Greg Moore>Over this.

647
00:48:59.931 --> 00:49:00.704
<v Greg Moore>So can you—.

648
00:49:00.704 --> 00:49:01.476
<v Sameer Kanal>The question—.

649
00:49:01.509 --> 00:49:04.034
<v Candace Avalos>I haven't asked the question quite yet, so let me ask that.

650
00:49:04.791 --> 00:49:05.402
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you for being here.

651
00:49:06.010 --> 00:49:07.418
<v Candace Avalos>So a couple of things.

652
00:49:07.518 --> 00:49:19.601
<v Candace Avalos>So first, of the $207,000, can you talk to me about what's— how much will specifically go towards overtime versus things like equipment or other expenses?

653
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:21.014
<v Candace Avalos>How are you breaking that down?

654
00:49:21.833 --> 00:49:26.934
<v Greg Moore>So initially when we proposed the grant, it was— I, I can't remember the exact numbers.

655
00:49:26.983 --> 00:49:27.438
<v Greg Moore>That's a grant.

656
00:49:27.487 --> 00:49:28.998
<v Greg Moore>That would be a grants question what the numbers was.

657
00:49:29.592 --> 00:49:36.733
<v Greg Moore>Um, but because of how, uh, long this has taken and the short, uh, till the end of this grant, uh, we're not going to be able to procure that equipment.

658
00:49:36.797 --> 00:49:39.065
<v Greg Moore>So at this point, all of the money will be spent on overtime.

659
00:49:41.273 --> 00:49:42.735
<v Candace Avalos>At this point, all of it will be spent on overtime?

660
00:49:42.782 --> 00:49:42.943
<v Raymond C. Lee>Yes.

661
00:49:43.201 --> 00:49:43.362
<v Mitch Green>Okay.

662
00:49:44.148 --> 00:49:48.182
<v Candace Avalos>And, um, well, I guess that answers my next couple of questions.

663
00:49:48.248 --> 00:50:00.943
<v Candace Avalos>I, I mean, let me just daylight this because this is what I was going to ask, uh, if any of the funding could be used for prevention, traffic engineering, community-based strategies, or other non-enforcement approaches.

664
00:50:01.056 --> 00:50:05.887
<v Candace Avalos>So it sounds like the— right now it is to use just on police overtime.

665
00:50:06.978 --> 00:50:09.545
<v Greg Moore>This grant is specifically for high-visibility enforcement.

666
00:50:10.059 --> 00:50:10.541
<v Candace Avalos>Say that one more time.

667
00:50:10.943 --> 00:50:13.253
<v Greg Moore>It's specifically for high-visibility enforcement.

668
00:50:13.655 --> 00:50:14.681
<v Candace Avalos>High-visibility enforcement.

669
00:50:14.922 --> 00:50:15.628
<v Candace Avalos>What, what does that mean?

670
00:50:15.918 --> 00:50:16.947
<v Candace Avalos>Does that mean something specific?

671
00:50:17.492 --> 00:50:18.811
<v Greg Moore>So it's from ODOT.

672
00:50:18.875 --> 00:50:22.619
<v Greg Moore>That's one of their requirements for this grant, is that it is a high visibility.

673
00:50:22.666 --> 00:50:24.755
<v Greg Moore>It's not for undercover work.

674
00:50:24.835 --> 00:50:26.302
<v Greg Moore>It's not for prevention.

675
00:50:26.431 --> 00:50:28.155
<v Greg Moore>It's not for investigation.

676
00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:32.391
<v Greg Moore>It's for during the event, disrupting the event, and having an impact on the event.

677
00:50:32.795 --> 00:50:33.101
<v Candace Avalos>Got it.

678
00:50:33.197 --> 00:50:33.922
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thank you.

679
00:50:35.769 --> 00:50:45.713
<v Candace Avalos>And then I guess, what kind of reporting is council going to receive showing the number of missions or arrests or citations, use of force, demographic information?

680
00:50:45.762 --> 00:50:50.271
<v Candace Avalos>Like, how are you going to communicate back to us the outcomes of using this grant?

681
00:50:50.690 --> 00:50:56.860
<v Greg Moore>Yeah, so part of the requirements of the grant is that we have those measurables and that we provide them to ODOT.

682
00:50:57.266 --> 00:50:58.992
<v Greg Moore>So that would be the same to you.

683
00:51:00.447 --> 00:51:01.527
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thank you.

684
00:51:03.025 --> 00:51:09.195
<v Candace Avalos>So then do we have people from budget office to talk about the— well, I guess maybe we don't need that because you already told me.

685
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:10.186
<v Candace Avalos>So never mind for that.

686
00:51:11.918 --> 00:51:13.563
<v Candace Avalos>Um, that's all the questions I have.

687
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.697
<v Candace Avalos>I think—.

688
00:51:17.697 --> 00:51:18.617
<v Candace Avalos>I'm not sure how I feel about it.

689
00:51:18.713 --> 00:51:25.275
<v Candace Avalos>I'm definitely still a little bit concerned, um, about this, but probably feel more concerned about the next one.

690
00:51:25.324 --> 00:51:29.235
<v Candace Avalos>So, um, I think I'll leave it at that and I'll ponder where I land.

691
00:51:29.380 --> 00:51:29.639
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

692
00:51:30.190 --> 00:51:30.965
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

693
00:51:31.224 --> 00:51:31.855
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

694
00:51:33.543 --> 00:51:33.965
<v Eric Zimmerman>Uh, thank you.

695
00:51:34.193 --> 00:51:34.778
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm all for it.

696
00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:36.096
<v Eric Zimmerman>Get out there, get them, right?

697
00:51:36.161 --> 00:51:41.630
<v Eric Zimmerman>This street racing crap is really destroying a lot of, a lot of areas, and the wrecks that happen when it goes on is incredibly dangerous.

698
00:51:41.693 --> 00:51:45.893
<v Eric Zimmerman>People getting walloped by the back end of a car is incredibly dangerous, right?

699
00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:49.355
<v Eric Zimmerman>So thank you for going after grants, finding other people's money.

700
00:51:49.451 --> 00:51:50.284
<v Eric Zimmerman>Let's get out there and do it.

701
00:51:50.349 --> 00:51:56.407
<v Eric Zimmerman>These missions have to start taking place as much as possible because they're in, they're out, they're gone.

702
00:51:56.583 --> 00:51:57.496
<v Eric Zimmerman>It's really hard to stop.

703
00:51:57.577 --> 00:51:59.532
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I appreciate the work 'cause it's not easy.

704
00:52:00.365 --> 00:52:00.990
<v Eric Zimmerman>So thank you.

705
00:52:02.047 --> 00:52:02.945
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

706
00:52:03.090 --> 00:52:05.092
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

707
00:52:05.557 --> 00:52:05.943
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, thanks.

708
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:06.632
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for being here.

709
00:52:07.240 --> 00:52:09.148
<v Sameer Kanal>I just wanted to get a clarification.

710
00:52:10.365 --> 00:52:19.422
<v Sameer Kanal>So when you talk, 'cause one of the things that came up in committee, and I just wanted to get this on the record here since there's a larger audience for it, in the slides it talks through what exactly you're gonna do with it.

711
00:52:19.742 --> 00:52:29.552
<v Sameer Kanal>It is mission-based, it is doing all that, and that's why I was comfortable voting yes on it and would, pending the budget question on the other thing, support it again here.

712
00:52:30.336 --> 00:52:32.548
<v Sameer Kanal>Could you clarify what deployable cameras means?

713
00:52:32.661 --> 00:52:44.427
<v Greg Moore>So we were talking about like GoPros or cameras that would make it so that we could record yeah, and so these are, these are cameras that are not in a fixed location, deployable, right?

714
00:52:44.523 --> 00:52:52.123
<v Sameer Kanal>And but you'd be putting them in a fixed location, um, for that is likely to have an event occur that would help you monitor it, right?

715
00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:54.496
<v Greg Moore>That was one of the thoughts when we applied the grant.

716
00:52:54.543 --> 00:53:00.637
<v Greg Moore>But again, we have no intention of buying any cameras at this point because we don't have time for procurement of them.

717
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:03.844
<v Sameer Kanal>Great, uh, thank you for clarifying that again.

718
00:53:03.907 --> 00:53:09.376
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I know I asked you a very similar question in committee, but I think there were folks who weren't there that are here today.

719
00:53:09.472 --> 00:53:12.023
<v Sameer Kanal>So I wanted to get that on the record and appreciate it.

720
00:53:12.407 --> 00:53:13.788
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

721
00:53:14.012 --> 00:53:14.478
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

722
00:53:15.070 --> 00:53:16.257
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

723
00:53:16.418 --> 00:53:18.231
<v Dan Ryan>Good to see all of you, and thank you for your service.

724
00:53:19.306 --> 00:53:24.728
<v Dan Ryan>I was proud to be a part of the council that passed the street racing action in 2023.

725
00:53:25.322 --> 00:53:33.552
<v Dan Ryan>I've learned how challenging it was to set up the system and the labor force it takes, the amount of officers on patrol.

726
00:53:34.226 --> 00:53:44.222
<v Dan Ryan>To manage those street takeovers, which really impact the neighborhoods in North Portland quite a bit since many of them take place on MLK, Columbia Boulevard.

727
00:53:44.976 --> 00:53:53.996
<v Dan Ryan>The people on Marine Drive West have told me horror stories where their employees can't get to their shifts of employment, those that work the graveyard shifts.

728
00:53:54.045 --> 00:53:57.489
<v Dan Ryan>So it's impacted a lot of the workforce in our city as well.

729
00:53:58.018 --> 00:54:14.427
<v Greg Moore>And one, I just want to hear how many patrol officers does it take to actually That's a hard number to nail down just because it depends on the size of the event and the behavior in the location.

730
00:54:17.228 --> 00:54:21.313
<v Dan Ryan>That's okay to start there, but I'd like you to go further because there are numbers involved.

731
00:54:21.362 --> 00:54:28.793
<v Dan Ryan>The reason I'm asking this question is because there are nights where there's maybe 13 to 25 officers in the entire city.

732
00:54:29.356 --> 00:54:42.052
<v Dan Ryan>And when there's a street takeover, when there's some other unrest, when there's a gun violence shooting, suddenly no one can show up for any of the property crime requests that we get, calls that you get from our storefronts around the city.

733
00:54:42.132 --> 00:54:45.371
<v Dan Ryan>So I think it's important for the public to have a better understanding.

734
00:54:45.739 --> 00:54:48.657
<v Dan Ryan>Sometimes staffing is better understood when you can tell us stories.

735
00:54:48.947 --> 00:54:54.509
<v Dan Ryan>So please take some time to tell us stories on what it's like to actually respond to these situations.

736
00:54:54.847 --> 00:54:55.215
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

737
00:54:56.068 --> 00:54:57.853
<v Michael Currier>My name is Sergeant Michael Currier.

738
00:54:57.916 --> 00:55:02.467
<v Michael Currier>I'm the operational sergeant for this street takeover activity.

739
00:55:03.501 --> 00:55:14.480
<v Michael Currier>Typically, we like to get approximately 20 officers, but those numbers are also coming from Clackamas County, Multnomah County Transit, the Port.

740
00:55:17.382 --> 00:55:19.954
<v Michael Currier>We also get assistance from the other side of the river during these missions.

741
00:55:21.168 --> 00:55:24.358
<v Michael Currier>We usually have our air support team working.

742
00:55:25.657 --> 00:55:31.318
<v Michael Currier>So when, when I say at least 20 officers, those are coming from multiple different agencies that come to help.

743
00:55:32.233 --> 00:55:34.333
<v Dan Ryan>And that took some time to set up those agreements?

744
00:55:35.072 --> 00:55:39.161
<v Michael Currier>It, uh, it, it has taken a long time, a lot of networking to do that.

745
00:55:39.224 --> 00:55:40.155
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

746
00:55:40.989 --> 00:55:43.860
<v Dan Ryan>And so congratulations on getting this award.

747
00:55:43.940 --> 00:55:46.750
<v Dan Ryan>Clearly it's needed, and I want to thank our thank you.

748
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:46.750
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith, for that.

749
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:46.750
<v Jamie Dunphy>I appreciate that.

750
00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:53.730
<v Dan Ryan>And I appreciate the support from our partners in law enforcement and public safety from Gresham and Vancouver and the surrounding municipalities.

751
00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:55.150
<v Dan Ryan>It's good to hear that.

752
00:55:55.550 --> 00:56:04.159
<v Dan Ryan>And I just think it's important that when we tell these stories, we allow the public to understand the impact of how many patrol officers it takes to manage that.

753
00:56:04.289 --> 00:56:07.670
<v Dan Ryan>And you do that because you want to ensure safety.

754
00:56:08.030 --> 00:56:13.599
<v Dan Ryan>And so what I've heard is it takes a higher number to ensure the safety of those surrounding the area?

755
00:56:15.097 --> 00:56:16.371
<v Michael Currier>It, it absolutely does.

756
00:56:16.628 --> 00:56:23.215
<v Michael Currier>Uh, we've had a number of fatal crashes out, especially on Marine Drive, uh, but it is a citywide problem.

757
00:56:24.117 --> 00:56:31.217
<v Michael Currier>Um, locations like, uh, Broadway and Burnside, 102 and Gleason, Airport Way, Marine Drive, MLK.

758
00:56:32.329 --> 00:56:39.061
<v Michael Currier>Um, 20 is almost a minimum that we need to deal with these problems.

759
00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:39.335
<v Michael Currier>Thank you.

760
00:56:39.987 --> 00:56:41.099
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for telling the story.

761
00:56:42.018 --> 00:56:42.420
<v Dan Ryan>It helps.

762
00:56:42.903 --> 00:56:45.900
<v Michael Currier>We've, we've had a pretty significant impact in the last few years as well too.

763
00:56:45.981 --> 00:56:47.416
<v Jamie Dunphy>Appreciate it.

764
00:56:48.367 --> 00:56:49.076
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

765
00:56:53.259 --> 00:56:56.900
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue— actually, Councilor Connell, is that a legacy hand?

766
00:56:57.061 --> 00:57:01.996
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, seeing no one else in the queue, this is a non— the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

767
00:57:02.045 --> 00:57:04.681
<v Sameer Kanal>Council President, I, I saw that.

768
00:57:04.746 --> 00:57:04.795
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

769
00:57:04.844 --> 00:57:04.958
<v Loretta Smith>Hi.

770
00:57:05.628 --> 00:57:09.577
<v Sheila Craig>Sorry, I just wanted to answer the question about the 5%.

771
00:57:10.108 --> 00:57:18.657
<v Sheila Craig>It is not part of the budget for this grant, so it would have to be part of the adopted budget, but we are not allocating 5%.

772
00:57:18.788 --> 00:57:22.516
<v Sheila Craig>I think it was 5%, was that the percentage that you were asking about earlier?

773
00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:27.043
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, it was, but I— so let me, let me ask you this.

774
00:57:27.204 --> 00:57:32.510
<v Sameer Kanal>Right now, the police budget and the OCPA budget before this ordinance are in the correct ratio.

775
00:57:33.009 --> 00:57:36.349
<v Sameer Kanal>There is exactly 5% here, I believe.

776
00:57:36.606 --> 00:57:39.994
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm gonna verify if there's any extra wiggle room there.

777
00:57:40.619 --> 00:57:47.701
<v Sameer Kanal>And so in order to increase the police budget by $207,000, my understanding is we'd have to increase the OCPA budget by 5% to meet the charter requirement.

778
00:57:48.438 --> 00:57:51.152
<v Sheila Craig>So we are not doing that with this ordinance.

779
00:57:51.297 --> 00:57:52.485
<v Sheila Craig>I can't answer that question.

780
00:57:52.759 --> 00:57:54.893
<v Sheila Craig>We are only budgeting the grant funds.

781
00:57:55.648 --> 00:57:55.954
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

782
00:57:57.304 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Sameer Kanal>So I think then we need to hear from CBO and/or CFO Biery to understand if there is wiggle room, meaning if it's already— if doing so would remain within the ratios or if that would mean we were out of compliance with the city charter.

783
00:58:16.416 --> 00:58:16.594
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

784
00:58:17.126 --> 00:58:22.474
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I appreciate that you're distinguishing what this ordinance does, and I think that's part of the answer we're looking for.

785
00:58:23.105 --> 00:58:25.237
<v Sheila Craig>And we'll follow up on that and get you an answer.

786
00:58:25.608 --> 00:58:30.891
<v Sameer Kanal>And I know that when the budget gets amended, You know, when the mayor's proposed gets amended, they're not always in perfect ratio.

787
00:58:30.940 --> 00:58:33.829
<v Sameer Kanal>We know that it's at least 5%, but we don't know if it's above it.

788
00:58:34.150 --> 00:58:43.335
<v Sameer Kanal>So if hypothetically it was already above it by about $10,300 or whatever, then we're fine from a legal perspective.

789
00:58:43.527 --> 00:58:44.764
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm just trying to understand that.

790
00:58:44.909 --> 00:58:45.327
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

791
00:58:45.438 --> 00:58:47.798
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that's a CFO, CBO question.

792
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:49.838
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm seeing CA lead on along.

793
00:58:50.849 --> 00:58:58.197
<v Sameer Kanal>If it's— If it's not there, we'd have to amend this, and I don't want to delay it next week, is the, is the, is the question.

794
00:58:58.583 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Sameer Kanal>I—.

795
00:58:58.713 --> 00:59:06.574
<v Sameer Kanal>Is a concern I have, if we can avoid delaying it, because I do think it's good to get the money to the thing that the grant was, uh, applied for.

796
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:13.556
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm— I just, I don't know how you want to handle that, Council President, but I wanted to indicate that's my goal, is not to slow this down here.

797
00:59:13.605 --> 00:59:14.958
<v Sameer Kanal>I just want to make sure we're in compliance with the charter.

798
00:59:16.583 --> 00:59:17.981
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you very much, Councilor Kanal.

799
00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:20.403
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, is this Councilor Smith online with the hand?

800
00:59:23.168 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Sameer Kanal>Yes, Council President, I just wanted to let you know that I am here.

801
00:59:25.833 --> 00:59:26.286
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

802
00:59:29.146 --> 00:59:29.775
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

803
00:59:31.949 --> 00:59:34.092
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, is there further discussion of this item?

804
00:59:36.483 --> 00:59:38.833
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, this is a not— the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

805
00:59:38.898 --> 00:59:40.153
<v Jamie Dunphy>It now passes to second reading.

806
00:59:40.411 --> 00:59:42.568
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call item number 15?

807
00:59:44.786 --> 00:59:54.130
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-278, appropriate grant award of $103, $69 for expanded traffic enforcement.

808
00:59:55.382 --> 00:59:58.123
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

809
00:59:58.188 --> 01:00:02.469
<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamsick is here with Council Operations to give us a committee staff summary report.

810
01:00:02.918 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire.

811
01:00:03.561 --> 01:00:05.213
<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you again, Council President and councilors.

812
01:00:05.309 --> 01:00:12.108
<v Claire Adamsick>For the record, Claire Adamsick again reading on behalf of Kevin Alvarez, who staffs the Community and Public Safety Committee and prepared this committee staff summary.

813
01:00:12.927 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Claire Adamsick>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-278, Councilmember Herbold.

814
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:17.079
<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

815
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:23.250
<v Claire Adamsick>This ordinance was heard in the Community and Public Safety Committee on August 4th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation to pass.

816
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Claire Adamsick>The ordinance amends the fiscal year 2026-27 budget to appropriate $103,069 in grant funds awarded by the Oregon Department of Transportation Safety Office to increase the efficiency of traffic crash investigations and to expand patrol-based traffic enforcement.

817
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:50.057
<v Claire Adamsick>The budget amendment increases the Portland Police Bureau programming expenses and the grants fund for a grant period from July 14th, 2026 through September 30th, 2026.

818
01:00:50.764 --> 01:01:00.851
<v Claire Adamsick>The award requires a local match of $25,768 that the Police Bureau will provide from its general fund resources and is intended to supplement existing city revenues.

819
01:01:01.510 --> 01:01:20.009
<v Claire Adamsick>Grant funds will support officer training time and associated benefits and mobile citation and drone use, mobile citation printers and related supplies, crash investigation drones, The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

820
01:01:20.635 --> 01:01:24.135
<v Claire Adamsick>No verbal or written testimony was submitted on this item prior to committee action.

821
01:01:24.327 --> 01:01:25.949
<v Claire Adamsick>And that concludes this committee staff summary.

822
01:01:26.092 --> 01:01:26.414
<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you.

823
01:01:27.762 --> 01:01:28.436
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

824
01:01:29.367 --> 01:01:30.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, this came out of your committee.

825
01:01:30.829 --> 01:01:32.081
<v Jamie Dunphy>Any committee chair remarks?

826
01:01:33.077 --> 01:01:33.302
<v Steve Novick>Yes.

827
01:01:33.461 --> 01:01:37.378
<v Steve Novick>As with the previous grant, committee members would like to see more data and detailed information about the plan.

828
01:01:37.460 --> 01:01:38.456
<v Steve Novick>Plans for this grant.

829
01:01:39.163 --> 01:01:48.545
<v Steve Novick>I'll also note that the debate of the site have included a discussion of disparities in traffic enforcement, which is an important topic which I think we need to have a full discussion of in a future CAPS committee.

830
01:01:49.123 --> 01:01:58.603
<v Steve Novick>In the context of this grant discussion, I didn't feel like we had the scope or the personnel there to have such a full discussion, but we will have one later.

831
01:01:59.726 --> 01:02:00.289
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

832
01:02:01.108 --> 01:02:04.048
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilors— oh, sorry, is there anyone signed up for public testimony?

833
01:02:05.670 --> 01:02:07.277
<v Keelan McClymont>Edith Gillis signed up.

834
01:02:07.791 --> 01:02:13.556
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I'd like to move to public testimony before we get to technical clarifying questions or council discussion.

835
01:02:13.652 --> 01:02:14.889
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Edith, welcome.

836
01:02:16.126 --> 01:02:19.786
<v Edith Gillis>The City of Portland has this wonderful program, or did for many years.

837
01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:20.798
<v Edith Gillis>Introduce yourself for the record.

838
01:02:21.233 --> 01:02:28.539
<v Edith Gillis>My name is Edith Gillis, District 3, and that wonderful program was about improving traffic safety.

839
01:02:29.197 --> 01:02:37.594
<v Edith Gillis>So we do it through education through engineering, as Councilor Avalos mentioned, and through enforcement.

840
01:02:37.989 --> 01:02:42.722
<v Edith Gillis>And enforcement doesn't just have to be cops or guns or fines.

841
01:02:44.130 --> 01:02:54.286
<v Edith Gillis>There are far better ways to have safer streets for all users than what we're doing and what you're proposing here.

842
01:02:54.911 --> 01:02:55.684
<v Edith Gillis>And anytime—.

843
01:02:55.684 --> 01:02:56.195
<v Edith Gillis>Councilor Avalos.

844
01:02:56.751 --> 01:03:16.177
<v Edith Gillis>That you take in more money, more staffing, more equipment, more services than anywhere used by the police, then you have to give at least 5% for the oversight and the accountability of those police and those programs.

845
01:03:17.420 --> 01:03:25.197
<v Edith Gillis>Please be very careful that you do not lose the trust and the respect, the cooperation of Portland voters.

846
01:03:25.614 --> 01:03:40.309
<v Edith Gillis>We're gonna be facing really horrible times, and if you betray our trust on this, as you have on Zenith and clean energy and so many other things, you're gonna have a much harder time with future decisions.

847
01:03:40.949 --> 01:03:46.856
<v Edith Gillis>Please be aware there's better ways to have safer streets than this.

848
01:03:47.375 --> 01:03:49.527
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

849
01:03:50.630 --> 01:03:51.480
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

850
01:03:51.817 --> 01:03:52.907
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

851
01:03:53.501 --> 01:03:54.271
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

852
01:03:54.784 --> 01:03:57.927
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are now into technical clarifying questions and also council discussion.

853
01:03:58.135 --> 01:03:58.954
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

854
01:04:00.398 --> 01:04:01.248
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you so much.

855
01:04:01.777 --> 01:04:11.336
<v Angelita Morillo>We had a good discussion about this in committee, but I still left with a lot more questions about this, and I'm not sure who in the room should answer them.

856
01:04:12.027 --> 01:04:17.753
<v Angelita Morillo>But the agreement funds 2 drones, but it doesn't say what make or model.

857
01:04:18.222 --> 01:04:26.536
<v Angelita Morillo>And so I don't know who's the best person to answer this question, but I'd like to know what drones we're buying and does any flight or image data sync to a manufacturer's cloud?

858
01:04:35.478 --> 01:04:37.269
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

859
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:40.981
<v Brian Hughes>Good evening, councilors.

860
01:04:41.045 --> 01:04:43.679
<v Brian Hughes>Brian Hughes, Deputy Chief of the Portland Police Bureau, for the record.

861
01:04:44.851 --> 01:04:48.047
<v Brian Hughes>Councilor Morillo, I don't know the exact brand.

862
01:04:48.351 --> 01:04:50.248
<v Brian Hughes>I can get back to you on that.

863
01:04:50.762 --> 01:04:56.592
<v Brian Hughes>We already use drones pretty extensively in the work that we do, and it would just be an expansion of those.

864
01:04:56.657 --> 01:04:58.360
<v Brian Hughes>I think the ones we use right now are DJI.

865
01:04:59.436 --> 01:05:02.085
<v Brian Hughes>And as far as I know, we don't upload anything to the cloud.

866
01:05:02.985 --> 01:05:06.920
<v Brian Hughes>I will confirm both of those questions for you, the brand and if we upload anything to the cloud.

867
01:05:07.708 --> 01:05:08.141
<v Angelita Morillo>Gotcha.

868
01:05:08.351 --> 01:05:11.943
<v Angelita Morillo>I think, Yeah, it's okay that you don't know.

869
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:20.985
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that to me that points to a broader issue I have, which is that we now have a data privacy office that we are currently hiring a director for.

870
01:05:21.353 --> 01:05:22.186
<v Angelita Morillo>It's in motion.

871
01:05:22.780 --> 01:05:27.813
<v Angelita Morillo>I was very proud to bring that forward with Councilor Novick, and I think it's really critical to the work that we're doing here at the city.

872
01:05:28.422 --> 01:05:36.389
<v Angelita Morillo>So is the data privacy office going to review this purchase before any equipment is bought and how long drone imagery is retained?

873
01:05:36.744 --> 01:05:48.396
<v Angelita Morillo>Who hosts the citation software and the citation database, and whether the clause giving ODOT and federal agencies access to project records could reach stop or citation records with people's personal information.

874
01:05:50.324 --> 01:05:53.114
<v Brian Hughes>Councilor, I would have no issue with the Data Privacy Office taking a look at this.

875
01:05:53.389 --> 01:05:55.019
<v Brian Hughes>I applaud your work there.

876
01:05:55.309 --> 01:06:06.090
<v Brian Hughes>I think it's important as, you know, these issues expand and, you know, see them all over the country, and certainly have no issues there with having the Data Privacy Office take a look at the purchase of these things.

877
01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:15.306
<v Brian Hughes>As far as the images they collect, these drones are used to collect images on crash, fatal crash investigations so that we can get roads open quicker.

878
01:06:15.675 --> 01:06:19.235
<v Brian Hughes>And they're saved in our database, our evidence database.

879
01:06:19.298 --> 01:06:26.849
<v Brian Hughes>Those are evidentiary pictures and they're saved according to whatever the timelines are for that kind of evidence to be kept.

880
01:06:26.914 --> 01:06:28.019
<v Brian Hughes>I think it's a pretty long time.

881
01:06:28.132 --> 01:06:29.126
<v Brian Hughes>I just, I don't know how long.

882
01:06:30.521 --> 01:06:30.697
<v Mitch Green>Okay.

883
01:06:32.268 --> 01:06:42.972
<v Angelita Morillo>And I know we're hiring for that top position, but is there anyone from the city Data Privacy Office that can, you know, confirm that they're going to be reviewing these tools before they're implemented?

884
01:06:48.838 --> 01:06:56.195
<v Angelita Morillo>Or maybe CA Lee, I'm not sure who— it doesn't— it's not fully formed yet, so maybe you can commit for us, or you can commit for us, anyone on the record.

885
01:06:56.277 --> 01:06:56.648
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, I can commit.

886
01:06:57.005 --> 01:07:03.204
<v Raymond C. Lee>I know we can have our BTS, Bureau of Technology Services, take a look at it since the office is not set up.

887
01:07:03.670 --> 01:07:08.632
<v Raymond C. Lee>A lot of these services previously for the city was running through our Bureau of Technology Services.

888
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:14.525
<v Raymond C. Lee>So we would still use their services to really vet this out from a technology standpoint.

889
01:07:14.911 --> 01:07:24.449
<v Raymond C. Lee>But I'll let DCA Warren elaborate on that topic even more, but also address kind of where we are in the process of setting up this office officially.

890
01:07:26.166 --> 01:07:30.371
<v Tracy Warren>Thank you, CA Lee, and thank you, Councilor Murillo, for the question.

891
01:07:30.739 --> 01:07:33.757
<v Tracy Warren>For the record, Deputy City Administrator Tracy Warren.

892
01:07:34.913 --> 01:07:44.188
<v Tracy Warren>We currently do privacy impact assessments when we are looking at adopting new technology on behalf of the city.

893
01:07:44.237 --> 01:07:46.596
<v Tracy Warren>So that is a current practice that will continue.

894
01:07:47.335 --> 01:07:55.501
<v Tracy Warren>I cannot verify whether or not when this when the drones that were originally purchased, whether or not they went through that process.

895
01:07:56.014 --> 01:07:59.063
<v Tracy Warren>That is a newer process that is taking place.

896
01:08:00.106 --> 01:08:07.710
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, and I really appreciate the work that folks at BTS do, but this would be a pretty big expansion of scope for their work.

897
01:08:08.271 --> 01:08:27.859
<v Angelita Morillo>And with all due respect to folks, as someone who's researched this pretty extensively, BTS is not in any way equipped to do data governance analysis the way— that's the reason we created the Data Privacy Office, because we've never had a group that was capable of doing data governance work, which is very different.

898
01:08:28.855 --> 01:08:37.885
<v Angelita Morillo>So can CA Lee, can you commit that the Data Privacy Office is going to be assessing this before we implement any new technology?

899
01:08:38.543 --> 01:08:38.801
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Can I—.

900
01:08:38.801 --> 01:08:43.588
<v Angelita Morillo>Because we keep purchasing new technology at the city and it does not go through the proper channels.

901
01:08:44.265 --> 01:08:50.579
<v Tracy Warren>Can I clarify that the data privacy impact assessment currently takes place outside of BTS?

902
01:08:51.127 --> 01:08:59.552
<v Tracy Warren>So it is currently taking place through Smart Cities, and then it is reviewed as part of an overall committee of the technology.

903
01:08:59.601 --> 01:09:02.283
<v Tracy Warren>So we can commit that it will be done outside of BTS.

904
01:09:05.583 --> 01:09:10.864
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, and those same staff were moved into our data privacy office anyway, so they're doing that same work.

905
01:09:11.461 --> 01:09:12.953
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, thank you for that clarification.

906
01:09:14.188 --> 01:09:28.042
<v Angelita Morillo>That was some of the core concerns I had about, and I hope that as the Data Privacy Office is established, that we will just move new technology through that, especially with the age of so many cameras, storage of people's information, facial recognition technology, all of that.

907
01:09:28.764 --> 01:09:32.195
<v Angelita Morillo>It's something I really care about, so I'll just keep looking for that again and again.

908
01:09:32.292 --> 01:09:34.729
<v Angelita Morillo>But thank you, I think that answers my questions.

909
01:09:35.595 --> 01:09:36.814
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

910
01:09:36.878 --> 01:09:37.600
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

911
01:09:40.184 --> 01:09:41.067
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

912
01:09:41.114 --> 01:09:53.037
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We've heard twice now testimony with concerns about the 5% set aside for police accountability, and I think we heard on the first one that that would have to be appropriated in the future with no real plan.

913
01:09:53.824 --> 01:10:04.144
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I am wondering if there is a plan for that fund and if the 5% could be taken out of the matching funds that are already allocated.

914
01:10:04.207 --> 01:10:04.256
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

915
01:10:04.949 --> 01:10:14.631
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or if for whatever reason these don't have to have the 5%, in which case we should be transparent about that with the public.

916
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:24.582
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because what I don't want to do is end up in next year's budget needing to meet that piece of the requirement that we hadn't planned for.

917
01:10:27.345 --> 01:10:28.881
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

918
01:10:29.189 --> 01:10:29.675
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor—.

919
01:10:29.690 --> 01:10:30.823
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do we have an answer?

920
01:10:30.904 --> 01:10:31.551
<v Angelita Morillo>That's a question.

921
01:10:31.615 --> 01:10:32.376
<v Jamie Dunphy>That's a question, yeah.

922
01:10:32.846 --> 01:10:37.307
<v Brian Hughes>Councilor, I'll defer that again to probably the CFO for that.

923
01:10:37.677 --> 01:10:40.197
<v Raymond C. Lee>Yeah, we would have to follow up with you, Councilor, 'cause I think it's gonna be—.

924
01:10:40.197 --> 01:10:43.953
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But we're being asked to appropriate the funds today.

925
01:10:44.274 --> 01:10:55.845
<v Raymond C. Lee>I understand that, Councilor, but we would have to follow up on that specific question as it relates to does this impact the charter as it relates to the police accountability.

926
01:10:55.958 --> 01:10:57.932
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>All right, but let me ask a specific question.

927
01:10:58.365 --> 01:11:17.751
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If this does impact that and we need the 5%, can the matching funds that are being used to obtain these grants be used for that 5%, or do the grants require the matching funds to be used for the common program?

928
01:11:21.989 --> 01:11:24.804
<v Jamie Dunphy>And as she's walking up, I just want to— Councilor, we are not voting on this today.

929
01:11:27.068 --> 01:11:29.141
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, can we get those answers by next week?

930
01:11:29.448 --> 01:11:29.609
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

931
01:11:29.850 --> 01:11:30.605
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you.

932
01:11:33.162 --> 01:11:34.979
<v Sheila Craig>Sheila Craig, Grants Management Division.

933
01:11:35.559 --> 01:11:42.260
<v Sheila Craig>Um, we would not be able to take funds from the matching funds because that is requirement of the grant, that amount.

934
01:11:42.886 --> 01:11:48.244
<v Sheila Craig>And it's in, um, I think we're utilizing straight time for that matching requirement.

935
01:11:48.744 --> 01:12:02.194
<v Sheila Craig>So if we were to reduce the amount of match for what we put in our application, our budget, we would have to reduce spending the grant funds by that amount because it's— we have grant funds and we have matching funds.

936
01:12:02.306 --> 01:12:07.658
<v Sheila Craig>So we would not be able— we'd have to cover those funds with something else if we were to take from those matching funds.

937
01:12:08.252 --> 01:12:09.248
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

938
01:12:09.296 --> 01:12:14.005
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'd appreciate it if we can get an answer on what the plan is from the administration before we vote on these.

939
01:12:14.744 --> 01:12:15.211
<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely.

940
01:12:15.306 --> 01:12:16.094
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

941
01:12:16.609 --> 01:12:19.265
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll work with the administration on that.

942
01:12:19.731 --> 01:12:20.681
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

943
01:12:21.502 --> 01:12:22.051
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

944
01:12:23.613 --> 01:12:32.451
<v Candace Avalos>So I understand the intent behind improving crash investigations and reducing the amount of time roadways are closed after serious collisions.

945
01:12:32.547 --> 01:12:34.710
<v Candace Avalos>We know that traffic safety is a real concern.

946
01:12:35.372 --> 01:12:37.229
<v Candace Avalos>We know that especially well in East Portland.

947
01:12:37.796 --> 01:12:56.043
<v Candace Avalos>Um, but like I said in the last item, I don't believe that increased enforcement automatically means increased safety, and traffic stops can have a very different impact across our communities, especially when we know that Portlanders of color have been and continue to be disproportionately targeted for traffic stops.

948
01:12:56.559 --> 01:13:07.645
<v Candace Avalos>In the most recent stops data, Black people made up 20% of total stops while accounting for only 5.7% of Portland's population, and 46.3% of those stops happened in East Precinct.

949
01:13:08.207 --> 01:13:17.032
<v Candace Avalos>So I again want to be careful anytime council is asked to additional resources that expand police traffic enforcement, especially through surveillance.

950
01:13:17.432 --> 01:13:23.555
<v Candace Avalos>And I want to better understand the use of the drones included in this grant and what safeguards are in place around the data collection and use.

951
01:13:23.604 --> 01:13:25.384
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you to Councilor Morillo.

952
01:13:25.448 --> 01:13:28.301
<v Candace Avalos>She already asked some of my questions around that, so I'll skip those.

953
01:13:29.054 --> 01:13:36.492
<v Candace Avalos>But let's start here with what specifically does expanded patrol-based traffic enforcement mean in practice?

954
01:13:36.748 --> 01:13:41.701
<v Candace Avalos>Are officers expected to conduct more traffic stops as a result of this grant?

955
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:45.282
<v Brian Hughes>Councilor Avalos, no.

956
01:13:45.346 --> 01:13:50.818
<v Brian Hughes>This is specifically for equipment and training to use those equipments.

957
01:13:51.253 --> 01:13:57.810
<v Brian Hughes>Like, for example, the old days, like when I first started, we wrote the thing out by hand and it was in triplicate and you handed the thing.

958
01:13:58.568 --> 01:14:04.851
<v Brian Hughes>Nowadays they have printers in the cars that I have no idea how to use and would probably end up going through the training so that I could learn myself.

959
01:14:05.587 --> 01:14:18.471
<v Brian Hughes>Um, but that's what this would be for, is, is training officers on how to mobile print those, those citations, just streamlining the process, making it easier to get them over to the courts, and limiting the stop duration time.

960
01:14:21.235 --> 01:14:21.963
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thank you.

961
01:14:23.176 --> 01:14:28.619
<v Candace Avalos>We started to get a little bit into this, but let me just ask it again, uh, just because my question is just a little different.

962
01:14:28.667 --> 01:14:39.872
<v Candace Avalos>But what policies govern the use of the crash investigation drones, including when they may be deployed, what data they're collecting, how long the data is retained, and whether it can be used for purposes beyond crash investigations.

963
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:41.971
<v Candace Avalos>That last one is kind of the extra part that I didn't hear.

964
01:14:42.484 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Brian Hughes>Yeah, I will find the SOP on our drones and share that with you offline.

965
01:14:48.337 --> 01:14:53.261
<v Brian Hughes>What I know of it right now is that we have very strict safeguards in place for how the drones are used.

966
01:14:53.725 --> 01:14:57.220
<v Brian Hughes>They're used in the patrol world under a very specific set of circumstances.

967
01:14:57.975 --> 01:15:11.145
<v Brian Hughes>They're used in the traffic world in a very, very limited set of circumstances, and that revolves around traffic reconstruction and taking like grid photos of what a deadly crash scene looks like.

968
01:15:11.833 --> 01:15:19.101
<v Brian Hughes>And as I said before, the retention of that— of those photos is per criminal court guidelines and how long we keep evidence for.

969
01:15:19.229 --> 01:15:22.213
<v Brian Hughes>There's rules and laws that say how long we have to keep that evidence for.

970
01:15:22.502 --> 01:15:23.802
<v Brian Hughes>I can share those with you as well.

971
01:15:24.235 --> 01:15:25.631
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you, I'd appreciate that.

972
01:15:26.208 --> 01:15:31.475
<v Candace Avalos>And then, um, For the general fund contribution, I guess, why is it necessary?

973
01:15:31.667 --> 01:15:37.302
<v Candace Avalos>And also, was that funding already included in PPB's adopted budget, or is this an additional change?

974
01:15:38.555 --> 01:15:44.384
<v Brian Hughes>It's my understanding that the 20— it's a $25,000 matching out of the general fund that we have to contribute.

975
01:15:44.497 --> 01:15:48.398
<v Brian Hughes>I don't know the specifics on the thing, on the, uh, if the money was already there.

976
01:15:49.168 --> 01:15:52.108
<v Brian Hughes>I don't know how that all works, and we'll have to defer that to CFO Biery.

977
01:15:52.702 --> 01:15:53.038
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

978
01:15:53.087 --> 01:15:59.490
<v Candace Avalos>Yes, sorry you get— keep getting asked all these budget questions that I know you don't have all the answers to, but thanks for entertaining those.

979
01:16:00.310 --> 01:16:11.770
<v Candace Avalos>Um, so as I spoke about, uh, in my opening statement, um, you know, I, I am concerned about, uh, stop data and the clear disparate racial impacts.

980
01:16:11.867 --> 01:16:27.064
<v Candace Avalos>And so in that same vein, is— how is PPB, or are you tracking demographic and geographic data associated with the expanded traffic enforcement so that council can evaluate whether this expanded enforcement is being conducted equitably?

981
01:16:27.113 --> 01:16:28.541
<v Candace Avalos>How will we be able to measure that?

982
01:16:29.037 --> 01:16:34.860
<v Brian Hughes>Yeah, so this expanded is just on, on, like I said, the equipment, the drones, and the traffic printers in the car.

983
01:16:35.614 --> 01:16:40.701
<v Brian Hughes>As far as your question and where you were kind of going, I think with the stops and disparate data, that concerns me as well.

984
01:16:40.909 --> 01:16:45.641
<v Brian Hughes>And we had a pretty robust discussion in CAPS about that on this topic.

985
01:16:45.819 --> 01:16:48.225
<v Brian Hughes>I think Councilor Kanal had several questions regarding that.

986
01:16:48.707 --> 01:16:56.462
<v Brian Hughes>And since that time, and based on his line of questioning, I've directed the Bureau to apply for yet another grant to look into the stops data collection.

987
01:16:56.881 --> 01:16:57.779
<v Brian Hughes>And it's through ODOT.

988
01:16:58.759 --> 01:17:00.444
<v Brian Hughes>It's a grant that's been around for a while.

989
01:17:00.509 --> 01:17:05.166
<v Brian Hughes>It's my understanding that no one's applied for it, and it's just for this purpose, is to look into this.

990
01:17:05.807 --> 01:17:12.310
<v Brian Hughes>And I heard one of the testifiers earlier asking about like the community aspects and involvement.

991
01:17:12.873 --> 01:17:15.483
<v Brian Hughes>And I've asked that the grant look at that aspect of things as well.

992
01:17:16.014 --> 01:17:16.979
<v Brian Hughes>We haven't received it yet.

993
01:17:17.463 --> 01:17:22.103
<v Brian Hughes>Obviously, eventually it will come through here, and maybe we can sit back down and discuss this issue then.

994
01:17:22.622 --> 01:17:29.640
<v Brian Hughes>But it would be nice to have a look at that and figure out why the data is what it is and why the stops are what they are.

995
01:17:30.804 --> 01:17:34.713
<v Brian Hughes>And so we've passed the first step in applying for that grant.

996
01:17:34.779 --> 01:17:37.881
<v Brian Hughes>They've accepted the application, and I'll keep you informed on how that goes.

997
01:17:37.929 --> 01:17:38.059
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

998
01:17:38.502 --> 01:17:39.273
<v Candace Avalos>Is that a federal grant?

999
01:17:39.402 --> 01:17:40.670
<v Brian Hughes>It's an ODOT grant.

1000
01:17:40.766 --> 01:17:41.360
<v Candace Avalos>It's an ODOT grant.

1001
01:17:41.472 --> 01:17:41.698
<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

1002
01:17:43.143 --> 01:17:46.643
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, you know, thanks for clarifying.

1003
01:17:47.252 --> 01:17:49.195
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I have been getting kind of mixed up.

1004
01:17:49.260 --> 01:17:56.082
<v Candace Avalos>I'm trying to understand when we say that we're expanding enforcement, but that the money is for the equipment.

1005
01:17:56.148 --> 01:17:58.828
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I'm just trying to square those 2 things.

1006
01:17:59.118 --> 01:18:02.601
<v Candace Avalos>So do you see how that is a bit confusing?

1007
01:18:02.666 --> 01:18:04.752
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know how to ask a question, but that's what I'm confused about.

1008
01:18:04.850 --> 01:18:05.283
<v Brian Hughes>No, you're right.

1009
01:18:05.395 --> 01:18:06.969
<v Brian Hughes>It says it right in the grant.

1010
01:18:07.242 --> 01:18:09.697
<v Brian Hughes>It says expand patrol-based traffic enforcement.

1011
01:18:10.211 --> 01:18:22.778
<v Brian Hughes>But then when, when you look down through the details there, it's through streamlining the process and issuing citations and being able to print them more efficiently and, and how they do their work and streamlining that aspect of things.

1012
01:18:23.355 --> 01:18:28.347
<v Brian Hughes>So there isn't anything in the grant that is increasing the amount of officers going out and doing the traffic stops.

1013
01:18:28.507 --> 01:18:32.729
<v Brian Hughes>It's the training that they'll use on how to write the tickets, basically.

1014
01:18:33.536 --> 01:18:34.537
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, that's helpful to know.

1015
01:18:40.917 --> 01:18:42.962
<v Candace Avalos>Um, I think that's all for now.

1016
01:18:43.091 --> 01:18:43.381
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1017
01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:45.233
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1018
01:18:45.506 --> 01:18:45.974
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

1019
01:18:46.876 --> 01:18:47.213
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1020
01:18:47.746 --> 01:19:00.307
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so first I want to say that, you know, when I did a ride-along last year— and I appreciate you being here to answer these, these questions— when I did a ride-along last year, um, I saw the front end of the data collection system.

1021
01:19:01.068 --> 01:19:07.311
<v Sameer Kanal>And it's incredibly confusing, I think, for the officers who have to put it in.

1022
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:08.067
<v Sameer Kanal>It's confusing for me.

1023
01:19:08.162 --> 01:19:09.078
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll just say for myself.

1024
01:19:09.126 --> 01:19:10.282
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't want to speak for the officers.

1025
01:19:10.715 --> 01:19:20.363
<v Sameer Kanal>Because when are you supposed to— it's supposed to capture what an officer knows at the time that they chose to make a stop.

1026
01:19:21.293 --> 01:19:24.344
<v Sameer Kanal>But it's not necessarily— that's not necessarily the time when it's filled out.

1027
01:19:24.664 --> 01:19:30.636
<v Sameer Kanal>And it's not necessarily possible to go back and know what you used to— or unknow what you now know after you've done the stop.

1028
01:19:30.685 --> 01:19:30.765
<v Greg Moore>Right.

1029
01:19:31.483 --> 01:19:32.194
<v Sameer Kanal>If that makes sense.

1030
01:19:33.488 --> 01:19:34.069
<v Sameer Kanal>Gone and done it.

1031
01:19:34.118 --> 01:19:40.716
<v Sameer Kanal>There's issues on the front end, and so I appreciate that there's a desire to look into how that front end gets done as well.

1032
01:19:41.396 --> 01:19:46.997
<v Sameer Kanal>And we focus so much on the back end of this because that's after SSD puts together these reports.

1033
01:19:47.320 --> 01:19:49.213
<v Sameer Kanal>That's very helpful and it's very easy to do that.

1034
01:19:49.262 --> 01:19:57.052
<v Sameer Kanal>But I want to acknowledge that that front end is not necessarily ideal for creating this.

1035
01:19:57.118 --> 01:19:57.247
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1036
01:19:57.615 --> 01:20:11.518
<v Sameer Kanal>Having said that, from what we've seen and what's been discussed, and I want to note that before council ever discussed this, the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing has discussed this for many, many years and its predecessors before that.

1037
01:20:12.046 --> 01:20:20.802
<v Sameer Kanal>And so we've seen that the sort of data analysis shows that it's effectively— that makes it complicated for looking at individual stops, but not necessarily the aggregate stats.

1038
01:20:21.347 --> 01:20:22.806
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I just want to get that out of the way.

1039
01:20:22.951 --> 01:20:24.698
<v Sameer Kanal>Getting into this, I voted no on this in committee.

1040
01:20:24.747 --> 01:20:24.795
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1041
01:20:25.756 --> 01:20:40.761
<v Sameer Kanal>And the simple reason why is that we've had disparity racially in traffic stops and that there's no information in the grant evaluation plan that mentions equity or looking at equity impacts.

1042
01:20:41.179 --> 01:20:49.546
<v Sameer Kanal>So I will note that it does say— I hear what you're saying, Chief Hughes, about what it's actually trying to do in terms of mobile printers.

1043
01:20:49.643 --> 01:20:50.476
<v Sameer Kanal>I have no problem with mobile printers.

1044
01:20:50.524 --> 01:20:50.653
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1045
01:20:51.342 --> 01:20:59.886
<v Sameer Kanal>But it does ask in the evaluation plan, to what extent did citation issuance volume or timeliness change following printer deployment?

1046
01:21:00.221 --> 01:21:02.289
<v Sameer Kanal>So the idea is to make things more efficient.

1047
01:21:02.867 --> 01:21:07.498
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that will— that's fair to say that that would increase the amount of it happening.

1048
01:21:08.091 --> 01:21:09.421
<v Sameer Kanal>There's the drone issue as well.

1049
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:16.345
<v Sameer Kanal>And I know Councilor Ryan in the previous item mentioned the vote on traffic safety and all that.

1050
01:21:16.409 --> 01:21:19.038
<v Sameer Kanal>I actually was presenting at that time in my old job.

1051
01:21:19.087 --> 01:21:19.215
<v Sameer Kanal>Oh, really?

1052
01:21:19.311 --> 01:21:25.983
<v Sameer Kanal>That same day I was sitting in the back of the room when, uh, the conversation happened around drones and how they'd be used.

1053
01:21:26.127 --> 01:21:27.554
<v Sameer Kanal>And it was this overhead view.

1054
01:21:28.051 --> 01:21:37.144
<v Sameer Kanal>We also know that they've been used to, to find heat maps that showed, uh, someone was doing donuts in, um, an area following a crash.

1055
01:21:37.417 --> 01:21:41.890
<v Sameer Kanal>And originally it was kind of portrayed as this is only well after the fact.

1056
01:21:41.939 --> 01:21:44.376
<v Sameer Kanal>So I, I've, I had some questions about that then.

1057
01:21:44.488 --> 01:21:45.451
<v Sameer Kanal>This was 2023.

1058
01:21:45.515 --> 01:21:45.610
<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

1059
01:21:46.347 --> 01:21:49.377
<v Sameer Kanal>It came up and the case was a little after that.

1060
01:21:49.761 --> 01:21:55.002
<v Sameer Kanal>So I've had some questions about the drone usage for a while, and I appreciate Councilor Murillo bringing that up too.

1061
01:21:55.690 --> 01:22:01.684
<v Sameer Kanal>So as it relates to this particular grant, going back to what I said before, this isn't just about do we want money.

1062
01:22:01.940 --> 01:22:02.757
<v Sameer Kanal>Obviously we want money.

1063
01:22:02.837 --> 01:22:06.492
<v Sameer Kanal>It's when you accept this money, you're using it to do a specific thing.

1064
01:22:06.923 --> 01:22:10.402
<v Sameer Kanal>And so we also have to have the conversation about how do we do the thing?

1065
01:22:10.449 --> 01:22:11.106
<v Sameer Kanal>Do we want to do the thing?

1066
01:22:11.154 --> 01:22:11.475
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1067
01:22:11.972 --> 01:22:13.369
<v Sameer Kanal>That the money would be used for.

1068
01:22:13.884 --> 01:22:35.849
<v Sameer Kanal>So I, my concern was about the equity impacts of that because just to do it, and I'll be more specific, traffic stops, not overall stops, have gone from about 8% of the people stopped were Black in 2012, and that's increased with a little bit of variation all the way up to 15.4% last year of people stopped who—.

1069
01:22:35.881 --> 01:22:36.555
<v Brian Hughes>Yes.

1070
01:22:37.421 --> 01:22:39.796
<v Sameer Kanal>In Portland, traffic stops of Black drivers.

1071
01:22:40.534 --> 01:22:48.765
<v Sameer Kanal>And the percentage of Portlanders that are Black has remained around just below 6% throughout that based on census data.

1072
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:57.814
<v Sameer Kanal>And part of the concern around that and how it's measured is that PPB in the data report uses a benchmark that is not population-based.

1073
01:22:58.376 --> 01:22:59.884
<v Sameer Kanal>It's injury collision benchmark.

1074
01:22:59.979 --> 01:23:02.338
<v Sameer Kanal>And there's a lot of information that's been on this.

1075
01:23:02.418 --> 01:23:02.483
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1076
01:23:03.893 --> 01:23:08.153
<v Sameer Kanal>But this doesn't explain the size of the disparity nor the trend.

1077
01:23:08.412 --> 01:23:10.661
<v Sameer Kanal>And I wanted to just mention that again.

1078
01:23:11.192 --> 01:23:16.365
<v Sameer Kanal>So my concern is about— first concern is about the drones.

1079
01:23:16.478 --> 01:23:24.615
<v Sameer Kanal>The second concern is about continuing to ramp up this work as it is not yet resolved from the inequities perspective.

1080
01:23:26.253 --> 01:23:31.680
<v Sameer Kanal>And then there's the third question which was raised in testimony about whether or not we're following the 5% rule.

1081
01:23:31.842 --> 01:23:34.685
<v Sameer Kanal>By the way, the 5% rule, We have to follow it.

1082
01:23:34.748 --> 01:23:36.471
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't think it's going to be hard to follow it.

1083
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.435
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's just something we have to get done if we want to do these grants.

1084
01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:41.175
<v Sameer Kanal>And again, I want to vote yes on the first one.

1085
01:23:42.389 --> 01:23:43.764
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't want to vote yes on this one.

1086
01:23:43.860 --> 01:23:46.546
<v Sameer Kanal>I opposed it in committee and I'll probably oppose it again here.

1087
01:23:48.617 --> 01:24:02.524
<v Sameer Kanal>And I also want to note that this information may seem separate from the conversation we're having, but I'm going to quote Chief Day in a letter on January 23rd, 2025 to the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing.

1088
01:24:03.047 --> 01:24:15.457
<v Sameer Kanal>Said that the PPB encourages collaborators to use the annual stops report and state reports to inform discussion, to develop actionable strategies for improving equitable policing practices beyond the scope of data collection and analysis techniques.

1089
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.435
<v Sameer Kanal>I think he meant the current ones in effect then.

1090
01:24:17.936 --> 01:24:25.681
<v Sameer Kanal>So I appreciate that those are evolving now, and I just want to make sure that that is a process that is resolved before we're increasing this.

1091
01:24:27.667 --> 01:24:32.239
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate the things that were brought up by other colleagues as well, but those are sort of my, my 3 things that I've been focusing on.

1092
01:24:32.288 --> 01:24:32.402
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1093
01:24:32.685 --> 01:24:35.769
<v Sameer Kanal>On in this particular grant application and consideration.

1094
01:24:36.137 --> 01:24:36.395
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1095
01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:37.502
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you, Councilor.

1096
01:24:38.001 --> 01:24:39.478
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1097
01:24:39.686 --> 01:24:40.328
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

1098
01:24:40.875 --> 01:24:41.935
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

1099
01:24:42.577 --> 01:24:52.065
<v Dan Ryan>It's been mentioned, and I'm not disputing the data about the disparity when it comes to the general population of our area and the amount of arrests.

1100
01:24:52.837 --> 01:24:56.273
<v Dan Ryan>I will need to say this because I've done numerous ride-alongs.

1101
01:24:56.369 --> 01:24:57.750
<v Dan Ryan>I do most of them at night.

1102
01:24:58.457 --> 01:25:05.457
<v Dan Ryan>And I have found myself eating crow 'cause I say all those, that same data.

1103
01:25:06.163 --> 01:25:14.979
<v Dan Ryan>And I can't tell what the person looks like when I'm in my ride-along from behind until after they're pulled over.

1104
01:25:15.509 --> 01:25:21.322
<v Dan Ryan>So I hope that we could maybe, do we have data that says it was daytime or nighttime?

1105
01:25:21.417 --> 01:25:23.296
<v Dan Ryan>Do we have that granular data?

1106
01:25:23.360 --> 01:25:23.457
<v Brian Hughes>Yes.

1107
01:25:24.323 --> 01:25:24.934
<v Dan Ryan>In the reports?

1108
01:25:25.431 --> 01:25:27.310
<v Brian Hughes>Yes, I believe the data can show that.

1109
01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:29.591
<v Brian Hughes>I don't know if the stops data actually shows that or not.

1110
01:25:29.847 --> 01:25:38.904
<v Dan Ryan>I think it's important to crosswalk that 'cause I think that with all data, you've gotta go underneath the— you gotta go deeper to really get the knowledge that's necessary.

1111
01:25:39.561 --> 01:25:42.099
<v Dan Ryan>And so anyway, that's my lived experience.

1112
01:25:42.532 --> 01:25:48.007
<v Dan Ryan>I've done 4 of these at night and every time I do them, I'm humbled by the fact that I cannot tell.

1113
01:25:49.131 --> 01:25:53.082
<v Dan Ryan>But I realized they're pulling someone over just because they, they broke the law.

1114
01:25:53.787 --> 01:26:00.113
<v Dan Ryan>So they're weaving in the road and it looks like they need to have a conversation so, so they're— so no one is hurt.

1115
01:26:00.837 --> 01:26:04.594
<v Dan Ryan>Um, anyway, I always think it's important to tell those real lived experiences.

1116
01:26:04.850 --> 01:26:05.060
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1117
01:26:05.108 --> 01:26:05.926
<v Brian Hughes>I'm surprised to hear that.

1118
01:26:05.990 --> 01:26:09.845
<v Brian Hughes>I thought everybody knew at, like, at night that you can't see really who's driving the car.

1119
01:26:10.005 --> 01:26:14.404
<v Brian Hughes>I mean, I've worked nights for many years and, and that's just— I thought that was common sense.

1120
01:26:15.127 --> 01:26:19.686
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, I think everyone knows that when they take a pause and they actually are in the conversation.

1121
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:20.328
<v Dan Ryan>Right.

1122
01:26:20.922 --> 01:26:25.724
<v Dan Ryan>But yeah, the times that I do these at night when it's raining, it's like I can't tell.

1123
01:26:26.381 --> 01:26:26.622
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1124
01:26:27.185 --> 01:26:28.597
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1125
01:26:28.774 --> 01:26:29.738
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll, back in the queue.

1126
01:26:30.139 --> 01:26:36.112
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so there's a concept called the veil of darkness that I think is worth bringing up here.

1127
01:26:36.176 --> 01:26:44.877
<v Sameer Kanal>And it has to do with the, if there's a disparity in the rates of stops, by racial category of drivers during the day versus at night.

1128
01:26:45.568 --> 01:26:53.369
<v Sameer Kanal>And in fact, the quote that I gave earlier from Chief Day was in his response to a recommendation from PCAP recommending veil of darkness analysis.

1129
01:26:53.514 --> 01:27:01.220
<v Sameer Kanal>And he noted in his response that PPB doesn't do it directly, but the state does it for PPB data.

1130
01:27:02.198 --> 01:27:03.371
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's important to note.

1131
01:27:03.627 --> 01:27:05.201
<v Sameer Kanal>I've also done ride-alongs at night.

1132
01:27:05.876 --> 01:27:15.172
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to step back for a second and say racial disparity in the aggregate stops data does not necessarily mean anything about individual police officers, right?

1133
01:27:15.573 --> 01:27:21.759
<v Sameer Kanal>There are systemic reasons in terms of where people are deployed that affects who's going to get stopped, right?

1134
01:27:21.806 --> 01:27:26.951
<v Sameer Kanal>That doesn't necessarily mean that an individual officer is making a choice based on what they see.

1135
01:27:27.976 --> 01:27:47.231
<v Sameer Kanal>But that does also mean that systemic problems— and I would argue that it is a systemic problem— That there is a massive disparity that is about double the rate here, that those systemic problems require systemic solutions, as opposed to looking at this individual stop.

1136
01:27:47.313 --> 01:27:49.126
<v Sameer Kanal>What are the big picture things here?

1137
01:27:49.190 --> 01:27:54.247
<v Sameer Kanal>And veil of darkness is one option for that, but as the chief, I think, accurately pointed out, the state does it already.

1138
01:27:55.989 --> 01:28:06.631
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think I'm using this less to talk about that concept and more about the idea that this isn't necessarily about individual people making prejudiced decisions.

1139
01:28:07.128 --> 01:28:18.260
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to just make sure that that's not an accusation that people are taking away from this or inferring from what I'm saying, but that there is this statistical thing, that this is measured.

1140
01:28:18.516 --> 01:28:40.132
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that when we have the conversation about why and what are we comparing it to, that PPB has for many years now said don't compare it to the population data, meaning the census metrics of what percentage of the population is of the same racial category, but compared instead to the injury collision data.

1141
01:28:40.743 --> 01:28:47.390
<v Sameer Kanal>And that basically has a circular impact because we collect more data at places where police are after collisions.

1142
01:28:48.128 --> 01:28:49.798
<v Sameer Kanal>That's just how that goes.

1143
01:28:50.313 --> 01:28:54.953
<v Sameer Kanal>And there's a lot of other analysis that's been done and reasons why that—.

1144
01:28:54.969 --> 01:28:55.451
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1145
01:28:55.644 --> 01:28:57.966
<v Sameer Kanal>May not be the best metric to use.

1146
01:28:58.655 --> 01:29:02.470
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate, by the way, I don't, I don't want to just, um, pile on here.

1147
01:29:03.382 --> 01:29:09.039
<v Sameer Kanal>The non-traffic stops, the FIT stops, had a different, uh, metric that was used.

1148
01:29:09.216 --> 01:29:13.078
<v Sameer Kanal>And in 2025 and 2026, PPB changed the benchmark.

1149
01:29:13.863 --> 01:29:19.023
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I think it was in response to a lot of the, the, the critique and, and feedback that was given for that.

1150
01:29:19.087 --> 01:29:28.163
<v Sameer Kanal>And I just wanted to, to note that, commend that, and say effectively, the ask is the same for this category, and I— and we need to pursue that as we go forward.

1151
01:29:28.649 --> 01:29:32.105
<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to just circle back briefly to the question about the 5%.

1152
01:29:33.587 --> 01:29:36.060
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's question.

1153
01:29:36.109 --> 01:29:37.003
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's a very good question.

1154
01:29:37.815 --> 01:29:43.426
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that we may need to follow up about sources of what is ultimately a fairly negligible amount of money.

1155
01:29:43.475 --> 01:29:47.047
<v Sameer Kanal>We're talking up to $15,000 here.

1156
01:29:47.340 --> 01:29:48.483
<v Sameer Kanal>My back-of-envelope math—.

1157
01:29:48.483 --> 01:29:48.962
<v Sameer Kanal>$15,000.

1158
01:29:49.586 --> 01:29:58.909
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, from the budget book says that we're about $4,500 over the bare minimum in OCPA right now.

1159
01:29:59.699 --> 01:30:05.783
<v Sameer Kanal>And in order to accept the first grant, we need to accept— we need to increase by about $10,000, meaning the gap's about $5,800.

1160
01:30:07.784 --> 01:30:14.329
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, in the event we take the second grant, should that pass, that's another $5,000-something, uh, dollars.

1161
01:30:14.427 --> 01:30:16.239
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I $5,000.

1162
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:17.297
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't remember.

1163
01:30:18.131 --> 01:30:19.895
<v Sameer Kanal>I have too many tabs open trying to do the math here.

1164
01:30:19.993 --> 01:30:24.257
<v Sameer Kanal>But, um, so it's a small amount of money, but that, that we would need to do something.

1165
01:30:24.338 --> 01:30:26.680
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just wanted to get that on the record.

1166
01:30:26.728 --> 01:30:28.813
<v Sameer Kanal>That's if the budget book is, is correct.

1167
01:30:29.134 --> 01:30:30.913
<v Sameer Kanal>I do have a concern about the idea.

1168
01:30:31.298 --> 01:30:40.087
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I, I want to not go down a path of figuring out how we don't need to comply with it and instead figure out how to find $5,000 because it doesn't seem like that'll be that hard to do.

1169
01:30:40.663 --> 01:30:47.082
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, And not that anyone suggested that, but just because there was kind of between some of the questions, I wanted to get that on the record as well.

1170
01:30:47.372 --> 01:30:48.179
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

1171
01:30:48.420 --> 01:30:49.274
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1172
01:30:50.949 --> 01:30:55.509
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance and now passes to second reading.

1173
01:30:56.318 --> 01:30:59.067
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, the time is now 7:27.

1174
01:30:59.131 --> 01:31:04.322
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're about halfway done with our agenda and we only have one item left, so we're going to go ahead and take a 10-minute break.

1175
01:31:05.550 --> 01:31:07.917
<v Jamie Dunphy>So everybody please be back here at— I'm going to give you 12 minutes.

1176
01:31:08.270 --> 01:31:09.987
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like everybody back here at 7:40, please.

1177
01:31:10.498 --> 01:31:10.828
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

1178
01:48:27.206 --> 01:48:28.145
<v Sameer Kanal>This is Councilor Smith.

1179
01:48:28.211 --> 01:48:29.827
<v Candace Avalos>I can't hear the council chambers.

1180
01:49:22.010 --> 01:49:24.338
<v Loretta Smith>Can you hear me, Keelan?

1181
01:49:33.510 --> 01:49:36.176
<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

1182
01:49:59.292 --> 01:50:00.453
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all for that.

1183
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:01.846
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm calling us back to order.

1184
01:50:04.041 --> 01:50:06.203
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, before we move to item 16, Councilor Smith.

1185
01:50:07.525 --> 01:50:16.521
<v Loretta Smith>Yes, I'd like to see, Council President, because I had an approved absence, if we can reconsider the franchise transfer Point of order.

1186
01:50:17.347 --> 01:50:22.108
<v Mitch Green>Uh, in Robert's Rules, you can only motion to reconsider after all the other business has been heard.

1187
01:50:23.783 --> 01:50:26.492
<v Jamie Dunphy>Like, after the, the full agenda has been heard.

1188
01:50:29.707 --> 01:50:31.010
<v Jamie Dunphy>I didn't know that that's true, but okay.

1189
01:50:31.171 --> 01:50:31.943
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that's true.

1190
01:50:32.377 --> 01:50:32.779
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have a—.

1191
01:50:33.100 --> 01:50:34.581
<v Sameer Kanal>Can we hear from legal counsel?

1192
01:50:35.595 --> 01:50:35.868
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah.

1193
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:41.747
<v Rebecca Dobert>I believe it can be made at any time just before the close of today's session.

1194
01:50:42.335 --> 01:50:46.451
<v Rebecca Dobert>But I also see City Attorney Robert Taylor here to correct me if I'm wrong.

1195
01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:49.122
<v Raymond C. Lee>Yeah, thanks.

1196
01:50:49.220 --> 01:50:50.578
<v Robert Taylor>Hey, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

1197
01:50:50.675 --> 01:50:59.032
<v Robert Taylor>I think I, I'd have to look, but I think the motion to reconsider is in order when other— when there's not other pending business before the body.

1198
01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:04.956
<v Robert Taylor>So typically you would make it— you often— it is made right after the item fails.

1199
01:51:05.408 --> 01:51:10.514
<v Mitch Green>So pending business is just before It's in that sort of interstitial period?

1200
01:51:10.690 --> 01:51:13.385
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, while you're not in consideration of another pending item.

1201
01:51:13.577 --> 01:51:14.524
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thanks for clarifying.

1202
01:51:14.957 --> 01:51:15.341
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1203
01:51:15.757 --> 01:51:18.854
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Smith has motioned to reconsider.

1204
01:51:20.233 --> 01:51:21.179
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll?

1205
01:51:21.291 --> 01:51:25.862
<v Sameer Kanal>My understanding is that reconsideration can only be proposed by a member who voted with the prevailing side.

1206
01:51:27.208 --> 01:51:31.796
<v Jamie Dunphy>My understanding is an absence counts as a no as a prevailing side under our, our code, though.

1207
01:51:31.971 --> 01:51:35.060
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's only for purposes of tie-breaking if there's 6 votes in favor.

1208
01:51:36.529 --> 01:51:36.936
<v Sameer Kanal>This is fun.

1209
01:51:37.458 --> 01:51:39.104
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll pull up the code.

1210
01:51:43.092 --> 01:51:44.145
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, it is fun.

1211
01:51:44.657 --> 01:51:44.738
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh,.

1212
01:51:46.106 --> 01:51:47.679
<v Robert Taylor>That is a new one for sure.

1213
01:51:48.521 --> 01:52:05.997
<v Robert Taylor>Um, I think this would be, uh, issue that the chair could rule on and whether Councilor Smith's motion to reconsider would be in order and whether the presiding officer believes that the—.

1214
01:52:06.384 --> 01:52:10.029
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll really quickly just read the piece here.

1215
01:52:10.237 --> 01:52:16.692
<v Sameer Kanal>So this is Code 3.02.030, Section J, tiebreaking vote by mayor.

1216
01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:24.414
<v Sameer Kanal>And it specifically says, in determining if a vote is a tie, absences, abstentions, and vacancies will be counted as no votes.

1217
01:52:27.368 --> 01:52:29.072
<v Loretta Smith>This would have nothing to do with the mayor.

1218
01:52:29.234 --> 01:52:29.922
<v Loretta Smith>I wanted to vote.

1219
01:52:31.898 --> 01:53:03.862
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I hate to wade into this, but it seems to me, and I don't have it up in front of me, that if that's specifically in the section about the mayor breaking a tie and it calls it out, that doesn't necessarily, without reading the context of the rest of the section, mean that it would not be considered a tie in another instance, or considered a no vote, I guess I would say, in another instance?

1220
01:53:04.103 --> 01:53:08.390
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Have you read the totality of the section to understand how that fits in context?

1221
01:53:08.438 --> 01:53:12.018
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because I don't think we can take that one unrelated piece.

1222
01:53:12.692 --> 01:53:20.525
<v Sameer Kanal>I was reading that you're right that it doesn't necessarily preclude that an absence would be considered a no vote in another or broader context.

1223
01:53:20.622 --> 01:53:21.440
<v Sameer Kanal>That's correct.

1224
01:53:21.826 --> 01:53:30.137
<v Sameer Kanal>I was responding to Council President's point about Um, about the— in the context of the tiebreak was what we're talking about here.

1225
01:53:30.442 --> 01:53:41.140
<v Sameer Kanal>In terms of absence, it doesn't really come up except in the code, except as it relates to the, the absence of the president and the sort of vice president presiding.

1226
01:53:41.478 --> 01:53:47.701
<v Sameer Kanal>In that case, that's the only place that the word absence appears other than the tiebreaking, uh, there.

1227
01:53:48.551 --> 01:53:54.890
<v Sameer Kanal>But my understanding from reconsideration is that the prevailing side okay, the key, um, in the interest—.

1228
01:53:54.890 --> 01:53:57.644
<v Loretta Smith>Be on the prevailing side because I was with the 6.

1229
01:53:59.849 --> 01:54:00.332
<v Angelita Morillo>You weren't here.

1230
01:54:02.770 --> 01:54:07.356
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, I am going to, uh, uh, rule against your motion.

1231
01:54:07.453 --> 01:54:10.720
<v Jamie Dunphy>However, I will motion to reconsider the vote myself.

1232
01:54:13.756 --> 01:54:15.643
<v Robert Taylor>Um, any member, any member can second that.

1233
01:54:16.529 --> 01:54:16.997
<v Loretta Smith>Second it.

1234
01:54:17.207 --> 01:54:17.837
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

1235
01:54:18.014 --> 01:54:29.448
<v Jamie Dunphy>I, I feel there's still a lot of room On this item to move forward if there's a reasonable effort made to find an enforcement and a disclosure provision as a condition of approval that the parties and the city attorney finds acceptable.

1236
01:54:30.507 --> 01:54:44.422
<v Jamie Dunphy>It, uh, it— I therefore would move to reconsider this item and postpone it to a future meeting next week or the following so that the appropriate work can be done to amend this transfer agreement, a condition be adopted, and we can move the item swiftly to a vote.

1237
01:54:44.487 --> 01:54:46.993
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, uh, I have moved.

1238
01:54:47.073 --> 01:54:48.672
<v Jamie Dunphy>I believe Councilor Smith has seconded.

1239
01:54:50.657 --> 01:54:51.854
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is this a debatable motion?

1240
01:54:53.082 --> 01:54:55.154
<v Melanie Cambron>The motion to reconsider is debatable.

1241
01:54:55.347 --> 01:54:58.615
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, the motion to reconsider has been first and seconded.

1242
01:54:59.435 --> 01:55:00.130
<v Candace Avalos>Point of information.

1243
01:55:00.662 --> 01:55:01.194
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

1244
01:55:01.726 --> 01:55:10.740
<v Candace Avalos>So this, you can, in the motion to reconsider, attach the condition which you're adding, which is like that we will do it at a time certain.

1245
01:55:11.001 --> 01:55:13.113
<v Candace Avalos>And so can you help me understand that?

1246
01:55:13.275 --> 01:55:17.375
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, is my— The motion to reconsider is itself a sole action.

1247
01:55:17.519 --> 01:55:24.520
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm saying in context right now for the purposes of the public and my colleagues that I believe that there is a path forward on this if there's additional work on it.

1248
01:55:24.583 --> 01:55:34.083
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so as council president, if we open this and reconsider this, my next immediate motion will be to postpone the vote on this for a future meeting.

1249
01:55:34.180 --> 01:55:36.807
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, so technically it's 2 separate actions.

1250
01:55:36.904 --> 01:55:39.019
<v Loretta Smith>I would ask for a vote before you do all that.

1251
01:55:40.380 --> 01:55:41.822
<v Candace Avalos>So it has to be 2 separate actions?

1252
01:55:41.902 --> 01:55:43.039
<v Jamie Dunphy>It would be 2 separate actions, yes.

1253
01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:45.570
<v Candace Avalos>So right now the first vote is just to reconsider.

1254
01:55:46.051 --> 01:55:47.641
<v Candace Avalos>And then when it's reconsidered, then what?

1255
01:55:47.721 --> 01:55:50.082
<v Candace Avalos>It just gets placed back on the agenda kind of thing?

1256
01:55:50.146 --> 01:55:50.212
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>Yes.

1257
01:55:50.292 --> 01:55:50.484
<v Jamie Dunphy>Like a month?

1258
01:55:50.533 --> 01:55:51.304
<v Jamie Dunphy>And then I will— yes.

1259
01:55:51.913 --> 01:55:55.784
<v Candace Avalos>And then after that, you're hoping to make another motion to move it to a time certain?

1260
01:55:55.993 --> 01:55:56.346
<v Unidentified speaker>Correct.

1261
01:55:57.037 --> 01:55:57.134
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1262
01:55:57.279 --> 01:55:59.350
<v Sameer Kanal>Did you say what the time certain was already?

1263
01:55:59.608 --> 01:56:02.403
<v Jamie Dunphy>I am simply saying to postpone this item to a future meeting date.

1264
01:56:02.980 --> 01:56:03.094
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1265
01:56:03.253 --> 01:56:05.310
<v Loretta Smith>So let's do the reconsideration first.

1266
01:56:05.631 --> 01:56:10.064
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor— Councilor, the motion to reconsider is a debatable motion, and Councilor—.

1267
01:56:10.064 --> 01:56:10.466
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1268
01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:14.094
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you, Councilor.

1269
01:56:14.175 --> 01:56:15.712
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, colleagues to the queue.

1270
01:56:16.247 --> 01:56:19.386
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal to the motion.

1271
01:56:20.695 --> 01:56:40.990
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, um, Council President, I would ask you to consider that should the motion to reconsider pass, at that point the vote could immediately be retaken, go 6-6, and the mayor would break the tie because there is no requirement that you— you can't combine the 2 things as Councilor Avalos just asked.

1272
01:56:41.685 --> 01:56:50.484
<v Sameer Kanal>There is no guarantee that should this motion pass, that it will not immediately be voted on and go to the mayor's tiebreak, which we know how that will go.

1273
01:56:51.306 --> 01:56:52.672
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, I'm the only one who can call a vote.

1274
01:56:54.270 --> 01:57:05.006
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, uh, I would suggest that it might be better to wait until the condition that you are seeking is proposed before taking the vote to reconsider at all.

1275
01:57:06.679 --> 01:57:08.204
<v Sameer Kanal>And that, that's all I'll say on that.

1276
01:57:10.161 --> 01:57:13.971
<v Jamie Dunphy>I actually— if I— yes, heard.

1277
01:57:15.086 --> 01:57:15.731
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

1278
01:57:16.989 --> 01:57:22.704
<v Robert Taylor>The, the motion to reconsider needs to be made before the adjournment of the meeting.

1279
01:57:25.047 --> 01:57:26.998
<v Sameer Kanal>Point of request for information.

1280
01:57:27.551 --> 01:57:29.988
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, you could still rescind it though, right?

1281
01:57:31.569 --> 01:57:35.844
<v Sameer Kanal>Even if I— like, reconsider is in the same meeting, but you could make a motion to rescind instead.

1282
01:57:36.904 --> 01:57:38.286
<v Sameer Kanal>In a later meeting, right?

1283
01:57:38.655 --> 01:57:42.012
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, you can make a motion to rescind an action.

1284
01:57:42.591 --> 01:57:43.475
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, you could do that.

1285
01:57:44.454 --> 01:57:44.551
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1286
01:57:44.615 --> 01:57:51.490
<v Robert Taylor>But under, under our rules, the motion to reconsider must be made before the adjournment of the meeting.

1287
01:57:51.699 --> 01:57:57.483
<v Robert Taylor>So I think that's what kind of drives that, the urgency of this pending motion to reconsider.

1288
01:57:57.948 --> 01:58:03.298
<v Sameer Kanal>But hypothetically, you could reopen— we could reopen the item in a future meeting with a different motion.

1289
01:58:03.587 --> 01:58:04.132
<v Sameer Kanal>Is that correct?

1290
01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:08.146
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, no, I don't think you could re— you could reopen it.

1291
01:58:08.612 --> 01:58:22.225
<v Robert Taylor>So if, if the meeting adjourns without adopting the motion to reconsider, then the item is beyond the reach of a motion to reconsider, and it would, uh, it would fail.

1292
01:58:22.658 --> 01:58:39.239
<v Robert Taylor>And, and also, just, just so everybody knows, if the motion to reconsider fails to pass, Then, um, the item is, uh, procedurally, uh, deceased because you can only make the motion to reconsider once.

1293
01:58:39.319 --> 01:58:49.586
<v Sameer Kanal>So, so just to— He said that if the motion to reconsider were to fail, then the item is procedurally dead.

1294
01:58:50.570 --> 01:59:02.137
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, is there any other motion that a councilor could use in a future meeting after this one has been adjourned to reopen this particular topic?

1295
01:59:02.762 --> 01:59:08.194
<v Sameer Kanal>Is there any way to reopen the topic in a week, hypothetically?

1296
01:59:08.643 --> 01:59:21.622
<v Robert Taylor>If this item fails today and there's no motion to reconsider to keep it going, then there would not be a motion that you could make, no.

1297
01:59:21.765 --> 01:59:25.259
<v Sameer Kanal>And what if the motion to reconsider was withdrawn without being voted on?

1298
01:59:25.677 --> 01:59:31.371
<v Sameer Kanal>Could then a councilor reopen it in a week if the motion to reconsider had never kept?

1299
01:59:32.484 --> 01:59:32.661
<v Unidentified speaker>No.

1300
01:59:33.256 --> 01:59:38.962
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, thank you.

1301
01:59:39.301 --> 01:59:40.265
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that Councilor Kanal?

1302
01:59:40.329 --> 01:59:40.796
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I'm good.

1303
01:59:40.844 --> 01:59:41.634
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1304
01:59:41.698 --> 01:59:45.320
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

1305
01:59:46.029 --> 01:59:51.752
<v Angelita Morillo>I think everybody knows what we want today, and we could just get it done today if the amendment goes through.

1306
01:59:53.923 --> 01:59:58.042
<v Angelita Morillo>I'd happily vote for this and get us to a 7-5 vote if you wanted.

1307
01:59:58.569 --> 02:00:06.854
<v Angelita Morillo>If we could get the amendment through today, we can be done, and then the public can have more recourse and, uh, the franchise transfer can pass.

1308
02:00:07.399 --> 02:00:11.853
<v Angelita Morillo>So that is on the table as we continue this discussion.

1309
02:00:12.510 --> 02:00:13.295
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Murillo.

1310
02:00:13.952 --> 02:00:14.496
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

1311
02:00:15.153 --> 02:00:16.274
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, thank you, Council President.

1312
02:00:16.515 --> 02:00:22.613
<v Jamie Dunphy>I, I appreciate all the dialogue here, and, um, Councilor Kanal and your, um, Rules, Robert's Rules of Order.

1313
02:00:23.323 --> 02:00:29.279
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, in that book, does it say that the, the mayor can break a tie on the vote of reconsideration?

1314
02:00:31.724 --> 02:00:31.787
<v Steve Novick>No.

1315
02:00:33.417 --> 02:00:33.885
<v Sameer Kanal>He cannot?

1316
02:00:34.207 --> 02:00:34.385
<v Robert Taylor>No.

1317
02:00:34.643 --> 02:00:40.015
<v Jamie Dunphy>Just need 7 for motion to reconsider, but it is not a final motion, and so the mayor can only vote on final motions.

1318
02:00:40.430 --> 02:00:42.194
<v Melanie Cambron>People are the 5th arm of the government.

1319
02:00:43.789 --> 02:00:45.295
<v Melanie Cambron>We should be breaking the tie.

1320
02:00:45.423 --> 02:00:46.217
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1321
02:00:47.042 --> 02:00:48.726
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Green.

1322
02:00:52.033 --> 02:00:54.845
<v Mitch Green>I'm glad you're still sitting up there, uh, Mr. Taylor.

1323
02:00:55.347 --> 02:01:02.693
<v Mitch Green>Um, my reading of Robert's Rules of Order says that the motion to reconsider must be made before the meeting is adjourned.

1324
02:01:04.493 --> 02:01:20.042
<v Mitch Green>So if the meeting was just not adjourned, like if we did our last scheduled piece of business and then continued it, Continue the meeting to next week, then a motion to reconsider could be made at that time.

1325
02:01:20.813 --> 02:01:25.951
<v Mitch Green>And then that would give everyone some time to figure out what we need to do to get this to pass.

1326
02:01:26.833 --> 02:01:30.863
<v Mitch Green>Is that, is that consistent with your interpretation, Robert?

1327
02:01:31.715 --> 02:01:31.876
<v Robert Taylor>No.

1328
02:01:32.935 --> 02:01:34.524
<v Mitch Green>I didn't ask, I didn't ask Councilor Smith.

1329
02:01:34.573 --> 02:01:35.456
<v Mitch Green>I asked, I asked Robert.

1330
02:01:36.451 --> 02:01:43.497
<v Robert Taylor>Well, I think you could recess the meeting right to a different day, and then we'd still be in the same meeting.

1331
02:01:44.076 --> 02:01:50.943
<v Robert Taylor>And then as long as the motion to reconsider was heard and voted on before you adjourned the meeting, you could do that.

1332
02:01:51.055 --> 02:01:51.136
<v Luis Leon>Yeah.

1333
02:01:51.247 --> 02:02:04.806
<v Mitch Green>Okay, that's basically the same idea I think maybe you had in spirit, because you were like, I'll do the thing and then I'll immediately schedule it to, um, uh, a time certain, as it were.

1334
02:02:05.658 --> 02:02:16.715
<v Mitch Green>Um, but this would then make it so some shenanigans couldn't be pulled real quick and preclude the opportunity to actually have that amendment be considered.

1335
02:02:16.988 --> 02:02:18.828
<v Mitch Green>So that's what I would consider.

1336
02:02:18.925 --> 02:02:23.659
<v Mitch Green>We're obviously in consideration of a different proposal, but I'm just laying that on the floor.

1337
02:02:24.175 --> 02:02:26.074
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, I'm going to go ahead and withdraw the motion.

1338
02:02:29.346 --> 02:02:30.588
<v Loretta Smith>Mr. President, point of order.

1339
02:02:32.007 --> 02:02:34.233
<v Loretta Smith>I would like to put it— I would like to reconsider it.

1340
02:02:35.813 --> 02:02:36.087
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Can't?

1341
02:02:36.217 --> 02:02:37.353
<v Sameer Kanal>You didn't vote yes?

1342
02:02:37.515 --> 02:02:43.332
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have, we have ruled— the ruling of the chair was that you are unable to make that motion.

1343
02:02:45.310 --> 02:02:45.877
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1344
02:02:46.282 --> 02:02:46.363
<v Unidentified speaker>Why?

1345
02:02:46.605 --> 02:02:47.417
<v Loretta Smith>Could you explain to me why?

1346
02:02:49.387 --> 02:02:57.770
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I am unclear under Robert's Rules whether I, I believe the interpretation that, uh, an absent is not necessarily a no vote.

1347
02:02:58.903 --> 02:02:59.914
<v Jamie Dunphy>And with the—.

1348
02:03:00.403 --> 02:03:01.145
<v Robert Taylor>Robert said it was.

1349
02:03:02.046 --> 02:03:03.036
<v Jamie Dunphy>I, I have made a motion.

1350
02:03:03.220 --> 02:03:03.706
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have made a ruling.

1351
02:03:05.077 --> 02:03:07.358
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, can we please call item number 16?

1352
02:03:07.407 --> 02:03:07.760
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Point of order.

1353
02:03:07.823 --> 02:03:08.965
<v Loretta Smith>I need to talk to Robert.

1354
02:03:09.029 --> 02:03:10.203
<v Loretta Smith>Robert needs to make—.

1355
02:03:10.314 --> 02:03:11.488
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, you've not been recognized.

1356
02:03:11.536 --> 02:03:12.051
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize.

1357
02:03:12.323 --> 02:03:12.581
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1358
02:03:12.886 --> 02:03:13.416
<v Loretta Smith>I'm sorry.

1359
02:03:13.850 --> 02:03:14.333
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

1360
02:03:14.643 --> 02:03:16.949
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm not recognizing it.

1361
02:03:17.015 --> 02:03:17.225
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry.

1362
02:03:17.340 --> 02:03:17.534
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1363
02:03:17.583 --> 02:03:18.818
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call item number 16?

1364
02:03:18.965 --> 02:03:19.744
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order again.

1365
02:03:21.501 --> 02:03:21.865
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, no, ma'am.

1366
02:03:23.609 --> 02:03:25.417
<v Loretta Smith>Robert, legal counsel.

1367
02:03:27.399 --> 02:03:30.020
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, you're out of order.

1368
02:03:30.210 --> 02:03:32.010
<v Loretta Smith>Sorry, sorry, sorry, Mr. President.

1369
02:03:32.010 --> 02:03:33.710
<v Loretta Smith>I'm trying to get some understanding of what's going on.

1370
02:03:33.710 --> 02:03:38.229
<v Jamie Dunphy>I understand, and I have made a ruling, and you are— we are moving forward.

1371
02:03:38.229 --> 02:03:38.649
<v Jamie Dunphy>What was your ruling?

1372
02:03:38.649 --> 02:03:40.609
<v Jamie Dunphy>My ruling is that you are unable to make that motion.

1373
02:03:40.770 --> 02:03:41.250
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1374
02:03:41.250 --> 02:03:43.510
<v Loretta Smith>I can't make a reconsideration because of what?

1375
02:03:43.510 --> 02:03:46.350
<v Loretta Smith>Then that's why I'm asking, can legal counsel tell me that?

1376
02:03:47.289 --> 02:03:51.569
<v Robert Taylor>I'd, uh, I'd be, I'd be happy to, to explain this.

1377
02:03:51.569 --> 02:03:52.170
<v Sameer Kanal>Sure, Robert.

1378
02:03:52.170 --> 02:04:04.398
<v Robert Taylor>So under, under our rules, the rules of council, It requires for you to make a motion to reconsider, you have to have voted on the prevailing side.

1379
02:04:06.770 --> 02:04:18.890
<v Robert Taylor>Also, also under our rules, it says if you're absent, it will count as a no vote, and that is under the section talking about the mayor breaking a tie.

1380
02:04:19.685 --> 02:04:22.070
<v Robert Taylor>So there's a question under those rules.

1381
02:04:22.329 --> 02:04:24.747
<v Robert Taylor>You could read those one of two ways.

1382
02:04:25.431 --> 02:04:39.882
<v Robert Taylor>To either allow an absent member to be treated as a no vote for the purposes of making a motion to reconsider, or you could read it to say you were absent, you didn't vote at all, so you weren't on the prevailing side.

1383
02:04:40.123 --> 02:04:41.087
<v Robert Taylor>So that's the—.

1384
02:04:41.970 --> 02:04:44.458
<v Loretta Smith>That's, that's the prevailing side, Robert.

1385
02:04:45.164 --> 02:04:52.442
<v Robert Taylor>Um, in, in that instance, I don't know that it, it did because there were It was 6-5.

1386
02:04:52.862 --> 02:04:54.333
<v Robert Taylor>There were 6 no votes.

1387
02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:58.506
<v Robert Taylor>So if you had been here to vote yes, it would've been 6-6.

1388
02:05:00.786 --> 02:05:07.618
<v Robert Taylor>So the point I am trying to make is under our rules, there's 2 different ways to read those sections.

1389
02:05:09.270 --> 02:05:15.640
<v Robert Taylor>And when that happens and there's an issue of interpretation, the president makes a ruling about how the president interprets it.

1390
02:05:16.555 --> 02:05:25.786
<v Robert Taylor>He has made his ruling to say that he does not believe an absent member can make a motion to reconsider since they were not present to vote.

1391
02:05:26.411 --> 02:05:27.645
<v Robert Taylor>That's the ruling of the chair.

1392
02:05:28.975 --> 02:05:32.292
<v Robert Taylor>That ruling can be appealed, uh, if, if—.

1393
02:05:32.420 --> 02:05:33.381
<v Loretta Smith>Can I appeal it?

1394
02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:41.907
<v Robert Taylor>If, if 3 members— if, if you and 2 others wish to appeal, um, then that ruling can be appealed to a vote of the body.

1395
02:05:42.807 --> 02:05:43.757
<v Loretta Smith>I would like to appeal it.

1396
02:05:45.020 --> 02:05:47.284
<v Robert Taylor>Are there 2 other members that would join that appeal?

1397
02:05:50.680 --> 02:05:50.872
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1398
02:05:52.225 --> 02:05:56.300
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, looks like I have 3 members who have appealed the ruling of the chair.

1399
02:05:58.131 --> 02:05:59.850
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, this moves— this is non-debatable, right?

1400
02:05:59.899 --> 02:06:02.984
<v Jamie Dunphy>This goes directly to a vote of whether the—.

1401
02:06:03.435 --> 02:06:04.206
<v Robert Taylor>It, it is.

1402
02:06:04.623 --> 02:06:11.445
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, you can explain the rationale for your decision and answer any questions, otherwise it's not thank you.

1403
02:06:11.510 --> 02:06:22.845
<v Jamie Dunphy>My rationale for the motion is, as the, uh, city attorney has explained, I am interpreting our rules to read that an absent vote is not a no vote, and therefore Councilor Smith is ineligible.

1404
02:06:24.211 --> 02:06:31.467
<v Robert Taylor>So the— and then the question on the appeal is, should the presiding officer's ruling stand as the ruling of the chair?

1405
02:06:31.837 --> 02:06:34.935
<v Robert Taylor>A yes vote upholds the presiding officer.

1406
02:06:35.932 --> 02:06:40.279
<v Robert Taylor>A no vote, um, goes against the ruling of the presiding officer.

1407
02:06:41.573 --> 02:06:47.601
<v Robert Taylor>And, um, in the case of a tie, the, the ruling of the presiding officer stands.

1408
02:06:48.850 --> 02:06:49.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1409
02:06:50.373 --> 02:06:51.087
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call the roll?

1410
02:06:54.439 --> 02:06:54.761
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

1411
02:06:55.984 --> 02:06:56.033
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1412
02:06:58.060 --> 02:06:58.479
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

1413
02:06:59.042 --> 02:06:59.091
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1414
02:06:59.927 --> 02:07:00.346
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

1415
02:07:00.653 --> 02:07:00.814
<v Steve Novick>No.

1416
02:07:05.590 --> 02:07:06.604
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

1417
02:07:12.326 --> 02:07:12.487
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1418
02:07:19.189 --> 02:07:24.630
<v Keelan McClymont>The ruling of the chair stands.

1419
02:07:24.904 --> 02:07:25.176
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1420
02:07:25.225 --> 02:07:26.438
<v Eric Zimmerman>Mr. President, I have a point of order.

1421
02:07:26.667 --> 02:07:27.189
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1422
02:07:27.256 --> 02:07:27.860
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you for that.

1423
02:07:29.362 --> 02:07:34.020
<v Eric Zimmerman>You did make a motion just on the basic of reconsideration.

1424
02:07:34.069 --> 02:07:34.882
<v Eric Zimmerman>It was seconded.

1425
02:07:35.496 --> 02:07:42.757
<v Eric Zimmerman>Generally in this body, we have looked to the second before anything gets moved on or changed when it's being withdrawn.

1426
02:07:42.823 --> 02:07:43.770
<v Eric Zimmerman>That hasn't happened.

1427
02:07:43.819 --> 02:07:46.014
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I would consider that that's still open.

1428
02:07:47.019 --> 02:07:59.453
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that your discussion at the beginning of that about another week for the amendment discussion seemed calm and present and was the right action.

1429
02:08:00.609 --> 02:08:12.029
<v Eric Zimmerman>And since it hasn't actually, I don't think, been closed, I would encourage you to take action on that original piece, uh, because it was actually never closed.

1430
02:08:14.460 --> 02:08:14.475
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I—.

1431
02:08:14.884 --> 02:08:16.384
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is— I will preview for my colleagues.

1432
02:08:16.432 --> 02:08:25.576
<v Jamie Dunphy>I would like to get to item 16, and it is my intention to, uh, Make a motion to this after the conclusion of item 16, before the conclusion of our meeting today.

1433
02:08:25.815 --> 02:08:32.329
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like to make sure we get to people who are testifying here on item 16, and I will not adjourn us until we have made further conversation on this.

1434
02:08:33.292 --> 02:08:34.319
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Sorry, you're saying you're going to take a—.

1435
02:08:34.463 --> 02:08:35.250
<v Candace Avalos>Make a motion on—.

1436
02:08:35.698 --> 02:08:40.864
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like— yeah, I want to— at the end of the— before we adjourn tonight, there will be an additional motion.

1437
02:08:41.457 --> 02:08:42.983
<v Candace Avalos>And what is your response to the—.

1438
02:08:42.983 --> 02:08:43.384
<v Michael Mintz>Like, who—.

1439
02:08:43.463 --> 02:08:44.635
<v Candace Avalos>I don't remember who the seconder was.

1440
02:08:44.730 --> 02:08:46.190
<v Loretta Smith>And you're right, it was Loretta.

1441
02:08:46.368 --> 02:08:47.586
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll just second.

1442
02:08:49.113 --> 02:08:51.337
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so Councilor Smith does not agree to withdraw.

1443
02:08:53.064 --> 02:08:53.771
<v Jamie Dunphy>Where do we go from there?

1444
02:08:55.199 --> 02:09:06.862
<v Robert Taylor>I mean, as a courtesy, we— the mover asks the second if it's okay, but it's not required, and the maker of the motion can withdraw it at any time before the vote.

1445
02:09:06.975 --> 02:09:12.341
<v Jamie Dunphy>The chair rules that the motion has been withdrawn, and can we please call item 16?

1446
02:09:14.157 --> 02:09:30.341
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-299 urged the city administrator to refrain from signing data center nondisclosure agreements, notify city council of inquiries for data center deals, and engage in transparent public processes related to data centers.

1447
02:09:31.159 --> 02:09:33.423
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is a resolution.

1448
02:09:33.729 --> 02:09:38.305
<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamsick with committee staff is here with a committee staff summary report.

1449
02:09:38.626 --> 02:09:39.140
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

1450
02:09:39.203 --> 02:09:40.583
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

1451
02:09:40.648 --> 02:09:46.104
<v Unidentified speaker>Again, for the record, uh, last time tonight, Claire Adams, a council policy analyst and staff to the Housing and Permitting Committee.

1452
02:09:46.923 --> 02:09:57.067
<v Unidentified speaker>The resolution before you, document number 2026-299, was heard in the Housing and Permitting Committee on September 1st, where it was referred to full council as amended with the recommendation it be adopted.

1453
02:09:57.965 --> 02:10:07.176
<v Unidentified speaker>The resolution urges the city administrator and city leadership to refrain from signing any nondisclosure agreements related to the siting permitting or development of data centers within the city.

1454
02:10:07.947 --> 02:10:13.434
<v Unidentified speaker>City of Portland officials are encouraged to engage in transparent public processes for all decisions related to data centers.

1455
02:10:14.588 --> 02:10:25.194
<v Unidentified speaker>The resolution requests that the city administrator notify the council of any permit application or request for early assistance for a data center with a current or projected power draw of 20 megawatts or greater.

1456
02:10:25.882 --> 02:10:30.568
<v Unidentified speaker>The committee provide— sorry, the committee approved an amendment to the resolution at its meeting on September 1st.

1457
02:10:31.033 --> 02:10:41.911
<v Unidentified speaker>The amendment added a directive clarifying the council's intent to pursue a moratorium or zoning restrictions on hyperscale data centers and consider additional approaches for large load data centers.

1458
02:10:43.065 --> 02:10:47.398
<v Unidentified speaker>The full impact statement on this item includes information on community impacts and community involvement.

1459
02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:54.425
<v Unidentified speaker>12 people provided verbal testimony at the committee meeting on September 1st, and 43 people submitted written testimony prior to committee action.

1460
02:10:55.162 --> 02:11:03.524
<v Unidentified speaker>The general themes of this testimony included emphasis on transparency and public notification of decision-making by limiting or prohibiting nondisclosure agreements.

1461
02:11:04.230 --> 02:11:15.743
<v Unidentified speaker>Recommended disclosure requirements for data center applications, including financing and tax abatements, anticipated natural resource use and environmental impacts, and local jobs involved in the development or operation of a data center.

1462
02:11:16.675 --> 02:11:24.365
<v Unidentified speaker>Impacts of hyperscale or large-load facilities on water and electricity consumption, and concern that increased utility costs may be passed on to ratepayers.

1463
02:11:25.409 --> 02:11:33.902
<v Unidentified speaker>Long-term health impacts of data centers on the communities where they are located, including respiratory diseases and potential adverse impacts of poor water quality or noise pollution.

1464
02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:42.378
<v Unidentified speaker>And finally, support for a moratorium or stricter regulation of new large-load or hyperscale data centers, specifically those supporting AI expansion.

1465
02:11:43.149 --> 02:11:44.479
<v Unidentified speaker>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

1466
02:11:44.734 --> 02:11:44.958
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1467
02:11:45.471 --> 02:11:46.161
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1468
02:11:46.753 --> 02:11:48.645
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos, this came out of your committee.

1469
02:11:49.221 --> 02:11:51.368
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, before we turn to sponsor remarks, any committee chair remarks?

1470
02:11:51.689 --> 02:11:51.801
<v Steph Ralph>Yes.

1471
02:11:52.764 --> 02:11:56.483
<v Candace Avalos>The Housing and Permitting Committee heard this resolution at September— our September 1st meeting.

1472
02:11:56.994 --> 02:12:13.297
<v Candace Avalos>The committee discussed the resolution and asked a number of technical and implementation questions, including how the proposed notification process would work, the role of nondisclosure agreements in early conversations with potential data center developers, and what this resolution would and would not change about the city's existing authority.

1473
02:12:13.859 --> 02:12:17.819
<v Candace Avalos>During the discussion, I also asked to be added as a co-sponsor of the resolution.

1474
02:12:17.930 --> 02:12:21.296
<v Candace Avalos>So thank you to Councilor Koyama Lane for accepting that invite.

1475
02:12:22.002 --> 02:12:29.240
<v Candace Avalos>And following that conversation, The committee voted to refer the resolution as amended to full council with a recommendation it be adopted.

1476
02:12:29.578 --> 02:12:31.970
<v Candace Avalos>It passed 4-0 with one councilor being absent.

1477
02:12:32.194 --> 02:12:35.390
<v Candace Avalos>And I appreciate the sponsors bringing this forward and the committee's thoughtful discussion.

1478
02:12:35.728 --> 02:12:35.984
<v Candace Avalos>That's all.

1479
02:12:36.627 --> 02:12:37.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1480
02:12:37.413 --> 02:12:42.181
<v Jamie Dunphy>And sponsors, I'm gonna go in the order that they're listed on here, but I wanna turn to each of you.

1481
02:12:42.246 --> 02:12:43.739
<v Jamie Dunphy>So starting with Councilor Koyama Lane.

1482
02:12:44.975 --> 02:12:47.945
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Council President, for the time on this agenda.

1483
02:12:48.347 --> 02:12:52.216
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And also thank you for all the work you do leading our council.

1484
02:12:52.442 --> 02:12:53.132
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's not easy.

1485
02:12:53.470 --> 02:12:56.297
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I see how hard you're working, and I know you never wanted that job.

1486
02:12:56.378 --> 02:12:56.940
<v Edith Gillis>True.

1487
02:12:57.342 --> 02:13:03.158
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay, so I'm very proud to bring forward this data center NDA resolution.

1488
02:13:03.511 --> 02:13:07.512
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm thankful that we have the space to talk about how this affects us here in Portland.

1489
02:13:08.171 --> 02:13:14.855
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Oregon has one of the nation's largest data center industries, partly due to the beneficial tax structure.

1490
02:13:15.739 --> 02:13:20.702
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>My housing and permitting colleague, Councilor Green, Joined as a co-sponsor before this came to committee.

1491
02:13:21.139 --> 02:13:22.431
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Really appreciate that.

1492
02:13:23.063 --> 02:13:26.020
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>When this item was discussed at committee, thank you, Chair.

1493
02:13:27.444 --> 02:13:44.860
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I did invite any and all of my colleagues to co-sponsor this resolution, and I got overwhelming excitement, so much excitement that our city attorney needed to remind me that before a public hearing, there should not be more than—.

1494
02:13:44.989 --> 02:13:45.118
<v Robert Taylor>30.

1495
02:13:45.347 --> 02:13:46.425
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>6 Members signed on.

1496
02:13:47.341 --> 02:13:52.836
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But at a public hearing, which we're doing right now, it is okay to ask if others want to sign on and support this.

1497
02:13:53.944 --> 02:14:01.689
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So Clerk, I'm wondering if— I'd like to repeat my invitation right now to my colleagues that would like to co-sponsor this item.

1498
02:14:01.786 --> 02:14:08.872
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Keelan has confirmed that if you just give her a thumbs up right now or unmute yourself, Councilor Smith, you may be added as a co-sponsor.

1499
02:14:09.595 --> 02:14:10.078
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1500
02:14:10.930 --> 02:14:13.229
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay, Councilor Clark.

1501
02:14:13.229 --> 02:14:14.539
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>All right, it's gonna be all of us here.

1502
02:14:14.770 --> 02:14:16.060
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Just put us on the consent agenda.

1503
02:14:16.369 --> 02:14:17.090
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think everyone.

1504
02:14:17.130 --> 02:14:17.909
<v Jamie Dunphy>Everything on it?

1505
02:14:17.909 --> 02:14:18.270
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's do it.

1506
02:14:18.270 --> 02:14:19.890
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Uh, Councilor Murillo?

1507
02:14:19.890 --> 02:14:20.270
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah.

1508
02:14:20.270 --> 02:14:21.079
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Do a thumbs up.

1509
02:14:21.170 --> 02:14:21.949
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay.

1510
02:14:21.949 --> 02:14:25.380
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith, did you— would you like to be added officially as a co-sponsor?

1511
02:14:25.909 --> 02:14:26.289
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

1512
02:14:26.289 --> 02:14:28.069
<v Loretta Smith>Is this a first reading or something?

1513
02:14:28.069 --> 02:14:28.649
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's a resolution.

1514
02:14:28.649 --> 02:14:29.329
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's a resolution.

1515
02:14:29.470 --> 02:14:29.850
<v Leslie Koken>So we—.

1516
02:14:29.850 --> 02:14:30.479
<v Loretta Smith>Oh, it's a resolution.

1517
02:14:30.590 --> 02:14:30.829
<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

1518
02:14:30.829 --> 02:14:31.890
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yes.

1519
02:14:31.890 --> 02:14:32.869
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1520
02:14:32.869 --> 02:14:33.529
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay.

1521
02:14:33.529 --> 02:14:36.029
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So yes, everyone.

1522
02:14:36.029 --> 02:14:38.529
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>All right, I want to start somewhere concrete.

1523
02:14:38.529 --> 02:14:42.783
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I've heard people wonder are data centers an issue that you need to talk about in Portland?

1524
02:14:43.136 --> 02:14:43.890
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The answer is yes.

1525
02:14:44.418 --> 02:14:56.360
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Through a lot of research and information from our staff at the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, we've clarified that there are at least 10 locations in Portland city limits that could accommodate a hyperscale data center.

1526
02:14:56.746 --> 02:14:58.268
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'll pass around this map.

1527
02:14:58.444 --> 02:14:58.685
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's—.

1528
02:14:58.765 --> 02:14:59.679
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>One side is zoomed in.

1529
02:14:59.743 --> 02:15:01.474
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's also online as an exhibit.

1530
02:15:02.676 --> 02:15:05.353
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And you'll see that it includes locations in all of our districts.

1531
02:15:05.417 --> 02:15:07.628
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Hayden Island near OHSU, South Water—.

1532
02:15:07.628 --> 02:15:07.788
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm sorry.

1533
02:15:08.061 --> 02:15:10.179
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The South Waterfront, both sides of the Willamette River.

1534
02:15:10.787 --> 02:15:13.402
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Look for the black and yellow outlined areas.

1535
02:15:14.060 --> 02:15:28.092
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And since we passed this through the Housing and Permitting Committee only 2 weeks ago, the Oregonian broke a story on an early assistance application that's been filed with the city for a Silicon Valley tech company to convert 5 floors of a downtown office building into a data center space.

1536
02:15:28.605 --> 02:15:31.252
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So yes, it's a very relevant, very real issue.

1537
02:15:31.461 --> 02:15:37.378
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And we know that there are many national, regional, and local conversations about the harm that data centers can cause.

1538
02:15:37.443 --> 02:15:37.715
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1539
02:15:38.036 --> 02:15:44.854
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>They draw heavily on the resources that our kids and grandkids will still need decades after any company's lease is up.

1540
02:15:45.416 --> 02:15:47.037
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Air, water, land.

1541
02:15:47.356 --> 02:15:50.052
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>They come with real environmental and health consequences.

1542
02:15:50.550 --> 02:16:03.497
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We could spend the whole meeting on that alone, but this resolution is very clear in that it urges the city administrator to refrain from signing any nondisclosure agreements, NDAs, related to supporting, permitting, or allowing data centers.

1543
02:16:03.641 --> 02:16:19.381
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And it also requests that the city administrator notify council if the city receives a request for early assistance or another preliminary meeting or permit application from an outside party related to data centers, specifically with the power draw of 20 megawatts or more.

1544
02:16:19.671 --> 02:16:21.947
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We can talk more about that if you'd like later.

1545
02:16:22.492 --> 02:16:27.733
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So this resolution at its core is about responsible good governance, protecting how decisions get made in our city.

1546
02:16:28.149 --> 02:16:31.868
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's about transparency, and it's also about building and keeping Public trust.

1547
02:16:32.109 --> 02:16:42.862
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Secrecy erodes public trust, and it's especially dangerous to have secrecy around an industry that touches our drinking water, our electric grid, and the air that we are breathing right now.

1548
02:16:43.006 --> 02:16:45.636
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So this step costs the city nothing, $0.

1549
02:16:46.197 --> 02:16:56.726
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But what it gets us is the ability to look Portlanders, look folks in the eye, people who are here, and tell them that nothing is happening behind closed doors while we're figuring out what the right next steps are.

1550
02:16:57.254 --> 02:17:00.604
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>This resolution is a first step, and it's an immediate step.

1551
02:17:00.653 --> 02:17:00.781
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1552
02:17:00.909 --> 02:17:01.906
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That we can take today.

1553
02:17:02.531 --> 02:17:13.970
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I wanna believe that it pairs well with possible next important steps of a moratorium on hyperscale data centers or an outright ban, which is something that I am looking to pursue.

1554
02:17:14.372 --> 02:17:30.994
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So the Koyama Lane Green 1 Amendment passed unanimously in committee, which adds a be it further resolved clause that states city council intends to pursue moratorium or zoning restrictions on all hyperscale data centers at the earliest time to consider additional approaches for large load data centers.

1555
02:17:31.603 --> 02:17:33.431
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I hope our council will pass this swiftly.

1556
02:17:33.543 --> 02:17:34.104
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm almost done.

1557
02:17:34.489 --> 02:17:38.320
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I wanna thank all the numerous co-sponsors of this resolution, all my colleagues.

1558
02:17:38.497 --> 02:17:41.736
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I also wanna make sure credit lands where it's earned.

1559
02:17:42.040 --> 02:17:49.864
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you to AI Now Institute, 1,000 Friends of Oregon, and Oregon Data Center Defiance Coalition for providing resources and technical support.

1560
02:17:50.458 --> 02:17:56.838
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you to the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, Portland Permitting and Development, DCA Oliveira, and Christina—.

1561
02:17:56.838 --> 02:17:57.014
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Guevara.

1562
02:17:57.834 --> 02:18:03.584
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for your months of research, code review, and groundwork that made responsible policy on this issue possible.

1563
02:18:04.259 --> 02:18:07.486
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Claire Adamsick in Council Operations.

1564
02:18:07.534 --> 02:18:08.049
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>You're awesome.

1565
02:18:08.113 --> 02:18:13.301
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I appreciate how you supported my team and worked with the city and with local and state partners.

1566
02:18:14.217 --> 02:18:19.436
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And to my own team, in particular, Alan, whoop whoop, and Aubrey, whoop whoop, and Sabatino.

1567
02:18:20.465 --> 02:18:27.255
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>He is my office's wonderful summer intern who came to us through the Summer Works Program, and he has since headed back to but Sab, I think you're watching.

1568
02:18:27.625 --> 02:18:29.211
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for the work you put into this.

1569
02:18:29.548 --> 02:18:31.086
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And that's it for now, Council President.

1570
02:18:31.150 --> 02:18:31.487
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1571
02:18:31.711 --> 02:18:32.272
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Councilor.

1572
02:18:32.995 --> 02:18:34.084
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

1573
02:18:34.502 --> 02:18:41.763
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, I'm going to make sure we each get a chance to give some introductions, but I will also note there are 22 people signed up to testify and it is 8:15.

1574
02:18:42.130 --> 02:18:45.369
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, we're going to go Green, Kanal, Pirtle-Guiney, Zimmerman.

1575
02:18:46.138 --> 02:18:48.077
<v Mitch Green>I'm going to keep it relatively brief.

1576
02:18:48.126 --> 02:18:51.316
<v Mitch Green>I'm just going to say thank you for your leadership, Councilor Koyama Lane.

1577
02:18:51.653 --> 02:18:57.778
<v Mitch Green>Um, thank you for extending this invite to the extent that the law allows at every step of the way.

1578
02:18:57.923 --> 02:19:00.745
<v Mitch Green>I was grateful to be an early partner in this with you.

1579
02:19:01.514 --> 02:19:04.145
<v Mitch Green>I think for me, like, does this do everything?

1580
02:19:04.257 --> 02:19:05.396
<v Mitch Green>No, it's a first step.

1581
02:19:05.476 --> 02:19:06.373
<v Mitch Green>It's a resolution.

1582
02:19:06.599 --> 02:19:08.716
<v Mitch Green>It's a declaration of council's will.

1583
02:19:09.613 --> 02:19:12.966
<v Mitch Green>I think we should go broader on NDAs and think about banning them more broadly.

1584
02:19:13.462 --> 02:19:22.692
<v Mitch Green>But we also have an— we have a sort of obligation to act swiftly as the public is raising matters of great interest and urgency.

1585
02:19:22.806 --> 02:19:23.581
<v Mitch Green>And this is one of those.

1586
02:19:24.257 --> 02:19:43.111
<v Mitch Green>And so this is a nimble way to do that and to sort of declare that, hey, you know, all these anxieties that we have about the AI industry and data centers, like just like our inflation is being driven by 2 things, speculative bubble in AI and a war overseas.

1587
02:19:43.949 --> 02:19:44.807
<v Mitch Green>And those are the 2 things.

1588
02:19:44.905 --> 02:19:46.338
<v Mitch Green>That's why we can't get normal interest rates.

1589
02:19:47.268 --> 02:19:48.718
<v Mitch Green>You can't get a graphics card if you're a gamer.

1590
02:19:49.120 --> 02:19:50.787
<v Mitch Green>You can't be a gamer anymore because of AI.

1591
02:19:52.101 --> 02:19:59.506
<v Mitch Green>And so at a minimum, we just want to know that our government's not colluding behind the scenes making all that possible, right?

1592
02:20:00.067 --> 02:20:03.818
<v Mitch Green>And so, so this is a great step forward and I'm really proud to be part of it.

1593
02:20:04.941 --> 02:20:14.415
<v Mitch Green>And I'm really glad we amended it to add the intention that we do want to pursue a moratorium and take up some zoning restrictions on this because we need to be proactive.

1594
02:20:14.463 --> 02:20:15.137
<v Mitch Green>So thanks so much.

1595
02:20:15.200 --> 02:20:15.297
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1596
02:20:16.211 --> 02:20:19.834
<v Mitch Green>Thank you for all of you who just, who keep this up day after day.

1597
02:20:21.610 --> 02:20:22.131
<v Mitch Green>You're in the people's house.

1598
02:20:23.229 --> 02:20:23.760
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1599
02:20:23.808 --> 02:20:24.273
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

1600
02:20:25.013 --> 02:20:32.228
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll reserve my comments for after the testimony, but just say thank you to Councilor Koyama Lane for your leadership on this and to all the other co-sponsors.

1601
02:20:32.649 --> 02:20:33.405
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1602
02:20:33.468 --> 02:20:34.048
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1603
02:20:34.674 --> 02:20:37.471
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I will also save my comments until after public testimony.

1604
02:20:37.808 --> 02:20:38.018
<v Loretta Smith>Good.

1605
02:20:38.066 --> 02:20:38.740
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1606
02:20:38.790 --> 02:20:39.368
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1607
02:20:39.609 --> 02:20:41.297
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm going to hold up this map.

1608
02:20:41.816 --> 02:20:47.868
<v Eric Zimmerman>That Councilor Koyama Lane made, because a few of us represent the reddest of the red area here.

1609
02:20:48.896 --> 02:20:57.179
<v Eric Zimmerman>And, uh, I'm— when I talk about revitalizing a downtown, it's not a bunch of currently vacant office buildings filled with nothing but data centers in the future.

1610
02:20:57.243 --> 02:20:59.088
<v Eric Zimmerman>So thank you, Councilor, for your leadership.

1611
02:21:00.132 --> 02:21:01.144
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1612
02:21:02.524 --> 02:21:05.832
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please get to— oh, I'm sorry, Councilor Avalos, you're not—.

1613
02:21:05.896 --> 02:21:06.890
<v Eric Zimmerman>I didn't realize—.

1614
02:21:06.956 --> 02:21:09.572
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm so sorry, I deeply I apologize.

1615
02:21:10.149 --> 02:21:10.454
<v Candace Avalos>Just kidding.

1616
02:21:11.370 --> 02:21:12.123
<v Candace Avalos>Well, I'll keep it short.

1617
02:21:12.172 --> 02:21:13.632
<v Candace Avalos>I don't want to take up too much more time.

1618
02:21:13.697 --> 02:21:16.810
<v Candace Avalos>I think my colleagues have already shared, uh, why this is important.

1619
02:21:16.906 --> 02:21:24.176
<v Candace Avalos>And, uh, grateful to Councilor Koyama Lane and Green for spearheading this, uh, particularly Koyama Lane and Sabatino.

1620
02:21:24.370 --> 02:21:26.231
<v Candace Avalos>Got to throw a shout out to him.

1621
02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:27.370
<v Candace Avalos>What a great human.

1622
02:21:27.965 --> 02:21:38.333
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and ultimately, I just want to say that East Portlanders really feel the effects of the way that data data centers can negatively impact utility costs and neighborhoods, noise levels.

1623
02:21:38.397 --> 02:21:45.010
<v Candace Avalos>I was knocking on doors in Sumner and they were telling me about a weird smell that they have.

1624
02:21:45.218 --> 02:21:54.751
<v Candace Avalos>And this is something we dealt with in— at Verde in Cully, where there are just these different industries that are emitting lots of smells that are chemicals.

1625
02:21:55.248 --> 02:21:58.250
<v Candace Avalos>And East Portland is already facing the brunt of that.

1626
02:21:58.314 --> 02:22:07.433
<v Candace Avalos>And so it's super important that we add transparency and accountability and ensure that we are not doing, making decisions about data centers behind closed doors.

1627
02:22:07.610 --> 02:22:08.718
<v Candace Avalos>And so let's get this done.

1628
02:22:08.895 --> 02:22:13.343
<v Candace Avalos>And also let's keep going for a moratorium and greater data center protections and oversight.

1629
02:22:13.407 --> 02:22:14.371
<v Candace Avalos>This is just the first step.

1630
02:22:14.612 --> 02:22:14.933
<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

1631
02:22:15.881 --> 02:22:16.750
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1632
02:22:17.504 --> 02:22:18.709
<v Jamie Dunphy>Did I miss anybody else?

1633
02:22:18.790 --> 02:22:19.914
<v Jamie Dunphy>'Cause screw that up.

1634
02:22:20.171 --> 02:22:22.531
<v Jamie Dunphy>Now, Keelan, can we jump into testimony please?

1635
02:22:23.689 --> 02:22:25.969
<v Keelan McClymont>We have 22 people signed up tonight.

1636
02:22:27.046 --> 02:22:30.210
<v Keelan McClymont>I will call testifiers up in groups of 5.

1637
02:22:30.259 --> 02:22:31.800
<v Keelan McClymont>Each individual will have 2 minutes.

1638
02:22:32.425 --> 02:22:37.712
<v Keelan McClymont>For those testifying in person, you will see the timer countdown displayed on the monitor in front of the testimony table.

1639
02:22:37.808 --> 02:22:41.349
<v Keelan McClymont>For those testifying virtually, the timer is displayed in Zoom.

1640
02:22:41.958 --> 02:22:48.959
<v Keelan McClymont>You will hear the timer sound twice, once when there are 30 seconds left, then a second time when your time is up.

1641
02:22:49.263 --> 02:22:52.915
<v Keelan McClymont>Before you begin your testimony, please state your name for the record.

1642
02:22:54.149 --> 02:23:04.468
<v Keelan McClymont>Our first panel includes Anne Casper, Morgan Glenn, Jamie Bradley Kissel, Jimmy Campbell, Simon Dudley.

1643
02:23:07.069 --> 02:23:10.673
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on down, folks, and whoever gets down here first gets to go first.

1644
02:23:14.340 --> 02:23:20.907
<v Morgan Glenn>My name is Morgan Glenn, and I am a resident of District 2.

1645
02:23:21.504 --> 02:23:25.815
<v Morgan Glenn>I'm coming here tonight to urge you to ban the practice of signing NDAs with data center developers.

1646
02:23:26.495 --> 02:23:31.968
<v Morgan Glenn>In Salem, I witnessed the result after the city attorney signed an NDA with Verus without the knowledge of the city council.

1647
02:23:32.611 --> 02:23:38.433
<v Morgan Glenn>And by the time that the public and the rest of the council found out, it was already becoming too late to stop this construction.

1648
02:23:39.252 --> 02:23:44.800
<v Morgan Glenn>This is happening all over the country in states like Virginia, Arizona, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

1649
02:23:45.763 --> 02:23:54.761
<v Morgan Glenn>These developers are using closed-door tactics to get their centers built because they know just how unpopular data centers are when they are proposed to communities in a transparent way.

1650
02:23:55.611 --> 02:24:01.689
<v Morgan Glenn>Our city council should not bypass the will of the people by using these underhanded tactics to get massive data center complexes built.

1651
02:24:01.736 --> 02:24:01.849
<v Morgan Glenn>Thank you.

1652
02:24:02.586 --> 02:24:17.713
<v Morgan Glenn>We have a right to know what is happening in our communities, especially when it comes to building projects that will create air and water pollution, increase energy costs for normal households during a massive cost of living crisis, and increase water usage in an area where water supply is already constrained.

1653
02:24:18.341 --> 02:24:25.293
<v Morgan Glenn>This body and our government at large should be serving the interests of the working people of this country, not a small minority of billionaires.

1654
02:24:26.290 --> 02:24:31.684
<v Morgan Glenn>We do not need tax-subsidized data centers when there are so many parts of our government that are completely underfunded.

1655
02:24:31.734 --> 02:24:33.933
<v Morgan Glenn>Councilmember We need TriMet to be funded.

1656
02:24:34.463 --> 02:24:40.261
<v Morgan Glenn>We need actual affordable housing to be built, not a building that creates ugly art and mass surveillance.

1657
02:24:40.967 --> 02:24:44.403
<v Morgan Glenn>I urge the City Council to propose a total ban on data centers in Portland.

1658
02:24:44.515 --> 02:24:55.643
<v Morgan Glenn>And that is why I'm also urging you to act in the interests of the public by at the very least requiring that all data center proposals be presented to the public so that we have a say what goes on in our communities.

1659
02:24:56.316 --> 02:24:57.248
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1660
02:24:57.665 --> 02:24:59.690
<v Jamie Dunphy>You still have 20 seconds if you want to.

1661
02:25:00.236 --> 02:25:01.022
<v Jamie Dunphy>Cool, thank you very much.

1662
02:25:02.355 --> 02:25:03.962
<v Jimmy Campbell>I'll go.

1663
02:25:04.188 --> 02:25:05.006
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

1664
02:25:05.135 --> 02:25:06.324
<v Jimmy Campbell>Good afternoon, Council.

1665
02:25:06.516 --> 02:25:07.754
<v Jimmy Campbell>Jimmy Campbell, District 2.

1666
02:25:08.668 --> 02:25:18.579
<v Jimmy Campbell>I'm here today to ask the city to do something that apparently qualifies as a radical act of government: don't sign secret agreements with data center developers behind closed doors.

1667
02:25:19.688 --> 02:25:28.332
<v Jimmy Campbell>Apparently a corporation can just walk into City Hall and say We'd like to build a gigantic electricity-guzzling warehouse full of data collection computers, please.

1668
02:25:28.829 --> 02:25:32.846
<v Jimmy Campbell>And the response can be, absolutely, but let's just keep it between us though.

1669
02:25:33.810 --> 02:25:41.105
<v Jimmy Campbell>This is becoming a disturbing example of local government being turned into nothing more than a concierge service for tech oligarchs.

1670
02:25:41.861 --> 02:25:52.849
<v Jimmy Campbell>And here's the irony: we're building the machines designed to collect and process incredible amounts of information about human beings while while the public is being told almost nothing about the deals that built them.

1671
02:25:53.747 --> 02:26:00.700
<v Jimmy Campbell>I'm not opposed to technology, and I'm not opposed to economic development, but public infrastructure should come with public accountability.

1672
02:26:01.871 --> 02:26:14.667
<v Jimmy Campbell>So I'm asking for 2 things: don't sign NDAs that prevent public oversight, and establish a transparent public process so Portlanders can weigh in before major commitments are made, not after the deal is already done.

1673
02:26:14.731 --> 02:26:14.908
<v Jimmy Campbell>Thank you.

1674
02:26:15.424 --> 02:26:17.735
<v Jimmy Campbell>Because otherwise, you're not really governing.

1675
02:26:18.397 --> 02:26:22.968
<v Jimmy Campbell>You're just running a concierge service where corporations get the room and the public gets the bill.

1676
02:26:23.889 --> 02:26:27.639
<v Jimmy Campbell>Don't turn City Hall into Silicon Valley's customer service desk.

1677
02:26:28.206 --> 02:26:34.370
<v Jimmy Campbell>And don't make Portland a place where machines know everything about us while the public knows nothing about how they got here.

1678
02:26:34.987 --> 02:26:35.247
<v Jimmy Campbell>Thank you.

1679
02:26:35.995 --> 02:26:36.679
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1680
02:26:41.201 --> 02:26:41.753
<v Simon Dudley>Hi, Council.

1681
02:26:42.254 --> 02:26:43.082
<v Simon Dudley>My name is Simon.

1682
02:26:43.129 --> 02:26:44.610
<v Simon Dudley>I'm a Portland resident testifying thank you, Mayor.

1683
02:26:44.610 --> 02:26:44.610
<v Simon Dudley>Thank you, Mayor.

1684
02:26:44.610 --> 02:26:53.059
<v Simon Dudley>I'm pleased to be testifying today in support of this resolution, as the proliferation of data centers has become a growing concern in communities across the country.

1685
02:26:53.549 --> 02:27:09.309
<v Simon Dudley>Non-disclosure agreements surrounding data centers represent a high-risk liability to the public from the immense resource consumption required to run these facilities and their inability to solve the most immense— or solve the issues most prominently impacting Portlanders today.

1686
02:27:09.309 --> 02:27:19.159
<v Simon Dudley>Working people are struggling to make ends meet as the cost of living increases year over year, At a rate far outpacing salary growth and the creation of sustainable, high-paying jobs.

1687
02:27:20.619 --> 02:27:24.852
<v Simon Dudley>Portlanders, your neighbors and friends cannot afford higher energy bills.

1688
02:27:25.123 --> 02:27:33.109
<v Simon Dudley>We can't afford to lose our jobs to artificial intelligence, and we can't afford the environmental cost of these data centers.

1689
02:27:34.504 --> 02:27:42.568
<v Simon Dudley>At my own workplace, nearly 10% of our employees were laid off this summer at the same time that our leaders pushed AI tools into our hands to improve efficiency.

1690
02:27:43.484 --> 02:27:47.949
<v Simon Dudley>My colleagues and I weren't invited to the meeting where it was decided AI would replace our jobs.

1691
02:27:48.768 --> 02:27:53.200
<v Simon Dudley>These decisions were made for us to seek greater profits at our expense.

1692
02:27:54.084 --> 02:28:03.608
<v Simon Dudley>Oregonians from Eugene to the Dalles and 20 minutes from here in Hillsboro are calling out corruption and demanding to be included in the conversation.

1693
02:28:04.459 --> 02:28:10.992
<v Simon Dudley>This is a fight that activates so many Americans because we have become acutely aware that there are no positive effects of these investments.

1694
02:28:11.728 --> 02:28:22.257
<v Simon Dudley>Rising energy costs, mass layoffs, destruction of our natural lands, and increased surveillance are all critical costs associated with the— with data centers that far outweigh the benefits they bring to our city.

1695
02:28:23.362 --> 02:28:39.641
<v Simon Dudley>We need maximum transparency regarding data center deals to ensure our elected officials are not being taken advantage of by the corrupt business interests that seek only to line their pockets with profit Thank you very much.

1696
02:28:41.379 --> 02:28:42.665
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>My name is Jamie Bradley Kissel.

1697
02:28:42.746 --> 02:28:46.109
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>I live in District 3, and I'm an organizer with the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

1698
02:28:47.370 --> 02:28:55.564
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Every year my energy bill goes up, and in my neighborhood I see every day what happens when housing and utility costs outrun people's incomes.

1699
02:28:56.398 --> 02:29:10.180
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>I'm here today because this resolution is really about whether city leadership should be allowed to make Oregon already has nearly 150 data centers operating or approved statewide.

1700
02:29:10.997 --> 02:29:17.156
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Those data centers consume now an estimated 5.6% of Oregon's energy.

1701
02:29:17.829 --> 02:29:26.825
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>At the same time, PGE has raised rates 50% since 2020, and the same industry driving this buildout just produced the world's first trillionaire.

1702
02:29:26.873 --> 02:29:27.210
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

1703
02:29:27.692 --> 02:29:31.417
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>These companies profit and working people are expected to foot the bill.

1704
02:29:32.349 --> 02:29:45.852
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Roughly 2/3 of Oregonians support a moratorium on new data centers, and these companies want our city officials to make secret backroom deals that go against what the people want so they can get richer.

1705
02:29:46.703 --> 02:29:52.579
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>They spend millions combating moratoriums and pushing NDAs like the ones that we're here speaking against tonight.

1706
02:29:53.126 --> 02:29:57.761
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Because they know that if the people learn about these projects early, we will organize.

1707
02:29:58.417 --> 02:30:02.556
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>The people will take action and will fight each and every data center.

1708
02:30:02.828 --> 02:30:08.779
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>And we have over 100 examples of moratoriums and bans across this country that prove it.

1709
02:30:09.420 --> 02:30:11.344
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>That's why they want these deals done in secret.

1710
02:30:12.227 --> 02:30:17.614
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>I urge you to pass this resolution tonight and make it clear that the next step is a moratorium.

1711
02:30:18.240 --> 02:30:26.854
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>As energy, gas, and housing prices rise and people get priced out of this city, We need a government that prioritizes people's needs, not tech billionaires' profits.

1712
02:30:27.324 --> 02:30:27.647
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Thank you.

1713
02:30:28.375 --> 02:30:28.924
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1714
02:30:30.551 --> 02:30:31.373
<v Keelan McClymont>Anne Casper.

1715
02:30:34.338 --> 02:30:46.838
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, next up we have Benjamin Gilbert, Maya Scott-Crawl, Leslie Koken, Jack M., Louis Leon.

1716
02:31:00.194 --> 02:31:11.118
<v Benjamin Gilbert>My name is Ben Gilbert, and I'm a volunteer lobbyist for the Portland Democratic Socialists of America, the largest socialist organization in the United States with over 3,700 members in the Portland metro area.

1717
02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:16.395
<v Benjamin Gilbert>DSA and our members are worried about data center development in Portland and across the state.

1718
02:31:16.716 --> 02:31:18.623
<v Benjamin Gilbert>We need accountability from this administration.

1719
02:31:19.137 --> 02:31:25.470
<v Benjamin Gilbert>There's been a pattern of backroom deals under code names, and Portlanders deserve transparency, not NDAs.

1720
02:31:26.576 --> 02:31:33.296
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Oregon currently gives out over $450 million in property tax breaks to data centers, more than any other state in the country.

1721
02:31:33.808 --> 02:31:39.275
<v Benjamin Gilbert>This is money stolen from our schools, from cities and counties, from parks, from first responders and fire departments.

1722
02:31:39.917 --> 02:31:47.516
<v Benjamin Gilbert>This theft has meant school districts across the state are closing schools, laying off staff, In a state that already struggles with our graduation and literacy rates.

1723
02:31:48.174 --> 02:31:55.483
<v Benjamin Gilbert>So while our tax breaks are lining the pockets of the bro-ligarchs and the billionaire class, we must also confront that these new data centers are used for AI.

1724
02:31:56.092 --> 02:32:03.352
<v Benjamin Gilbert>And yes, AI has some limited utility, but it is also how companies are eliminating jobs, driving down wages for hundreds of thousands of workers.

1725
02:32:04.025 --> 02:32:06.799
<v Benjamin Gilbert>But it is the use of AI in surveillance that is truly terrifying.

1726
02:32:07.391 --> 02:32:12.296
<v Benjamin Gilbert>These new data centers are how Texas officials tracked a person crossing state lines for reproductive healthcare.

1727
02:32:12.343 --> 02:32:12.728
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

1728
02:32:13.466 --> 02:32:17.183
<v Benjamin Gilbert>These new data centers are how ICE thugs have been targeting our neighbors for kidnapping.

1729
02:32:17.888 --> 02:32:24.475
<v Benjamin Gilbert>These new data centers are for a dystopian future that we must better regulate before we let them continue to run rampant across our state.

1730
02:32:25.004 --> 02:32:31.638
<v Benjamin Gilbert>So right now, we are very rightly arguing over transparency, land use, zoning, water resources, noise, and electricity and bills.

1731
02:32:31.990 --> 02:32:38.673
<v Benjamin Gilbert>And yes, all of that is so very important, and it obscures the argument that we should also be having about AI and surveillance and job loss.

1732
02:32:39.362 --> 02:32:45.449
<v Benjamin Gilbert>This whole fight, this whole demand for a moratorium, we keep being told it's radical, that it's too far, and that we're asking too much.

1733
02:32:45.690 --> 02:32:49.013
<v Benjamin Gilbert>But let me tell you, I think it's one of the most reasonable things happening right now.

1734
02:32:49.559 --> 02:32:55.211
<v Benjamin Gilbert>It is reasonable to demand transparency from our elected officials, especially a mayor that cannot be trusted to do business in the open.

1735
02:32:55.582 --> 02:32:57.509
<v Benjamin Gilbert>It is reasonable to demand a moratorium.

1736
02:32:57.829 --> 02:33:02.004
<v Benjamin Gilbert>We are grateful for this legislation as a first step towards that end, to make sure we aren't let down.

1737
02:33:03.129 --> 02:33:03.433
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Thank you.

1738
02:33:04.414 --> 02:33:04.943
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1739
02:33:09.778 --> 02:33:11.031
<v Luis Leon>Good evening, uh, Council.

1740
02:33:11.384 --> 02:33:12.396
<v Luis Leon>Uh, my name is Luis Leon.

1741
02:33:13.327 --> 02:33:32.264
<v Luis Leon>Uh, as a member of the community and someone who believes in the transparency when it comes to our elected and appointed officials, it is imperative that the city, uh, administrator not sign any NDAs or consider any new applications regarding the construction or speculation of data centers in Portland without first consulting in a transparent manner with the people of Portland.

1742
02:33:33.243 --> 02:33:40.102
<v Luis Leon>Data centers are sprouting like weeds all across the country, and the promises of economic booms are the opposite of what a data center means for a city.

1743
02:33:41.192 --> 02:33:47.396
<v Luis Leon>Data centers are well known for stripping communities of clean water, spiking energy bills, and leaving a trail of waste that is poorly managed.

1744
02:33:48.533 --> 02:33:55.218
<v Luis Leon>The developers say they'll create economic prosperity, but we know it will only be reflected in the pockets of the rich and not in our community.

1745
02:33:56.645 --> 02:34:00.138
<v Luis Leon>Working-class people will face the brunt of this, and we deserve to have a say in it.

1746
02:34:00.202 --> 02:34:00.315
<v Luis Leon>Thank you.

1747
02:34:01.198 --> 02:34:03.220
<v Luis Leon>I was at the recent data center hearing in Salem.

1748
02:34:03.621 --> 02:34:06.639
<v Luis Leon>The people were out in droves and made their demands heard.

1749
02:34:07.556 --> 02:34:12.099
<v Luis Leon>I am sure you will have the same on your hands if the city council refuses to consider the input of everyone.

1750
02:34:13.174 --> 02:34:21.539
<v Luis Leon>Lastly, I'd like to end with a quote from the city administrator's own biography on the City of Portland's web— City of Portland website.

1751
02:34:21.924 --> 02:34:31.586
<v Luis Leon>The city administrator's Raymond C. Lee bio reads, quote, Lee's leadership is grounded in a people-first approach that emphasizes organizational health transparency, and responsiveness.

1752
02:34:32.277 --> 02:34:38.450
<v Luis Leon>He focuses on building clear roles, healthy systems, and sustainable workloads so teams can perform at their best over time, end quote.

1753
02:34:39.493 --> 02:34:43.679
<v Luis Leon>If these are the values of Mr. Lee, the city administrator, then this resolution should be a no-brainer.

1754
02:34:44.704 --> 02:34:51.520
<v Luis Leon>In a time when trust for elected and appointed officials is at an all-time low, we insist that you act in accordance with your stated beliefs.

1755
02:34:52.066 --> 02:34:52.306
<v Luis Leon>Thank you.

1756
02:34:52.963 --> 02:34:53.653
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1757
02:34:56.476 --> 02:34:58.177
<v Jamie Dunphy>Whoever wants to jump in.

1758
02:34:58.674 --> 02:35:01.709
<v Sameer Kanal>Do you want to go next?

1759
02:35:02.094 --> 02:35:02.191
<v Melanie Cambron>Sure.

1760
02:35:02.368 --> 02:35:02.801
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, go ahead.

1761
02:35:03.636 --> 02:35:04.647
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Good evening, councilors.

1762
02:35:04.905 --> 02:35:05.498
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>My name is Maya.

1763
02:35:05.979 --> 02:35:10.106
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>I'm a Portland resident in District 3 and a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

1764
02:35:10.540 --> 02:35:17.379
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>I'm here tonight to urge you to ban secretive NDAs with data center companies, but I want to be clear, this ban is not enough.

1765
02:35:17.684 --> 02:35:22.356
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>We need to ask a more fundamental question: who is this city being built for?

1766
02:35:22.742 --> 02:35:25.593
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Because data centers are not simply buildings full of computers.

1767
02:35:26.106 --> 02:35:31.394
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>They are massive industrial facilities built to serve the interests of some of the most powerful corporations in the world.

1768
02:35:31.875 --> 02:35:35.689
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>And those corporations are coming to our communities because they want something from us.

1769
02:35:36.361 --> 02:35:39.549
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>They want our land, electricity, water, and infrastructure.

1770
02:35:40.127 --> 02:35:46.841
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>And they want public governments to help make those resources available to them, often while the public is expected to absorb the costs.

1771
02:35:47.577 --> 02:35:49.772
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>That is the fundamental problem we need to confront.

1772
02:35:49.820 --> 02:35:49.949
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Thank you.

1773
02:35:50.447 --> 02:35:57.301
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>We are told that data centers represent progress, investment, and economic development, but we have to ask, progress for whom?

1774
02:35:58.009 --> 02:36:09.039
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>If a corporation makes billions from artificial intelligence while working people face rising utility bills, housing costs, and increasingly strained public infrastructure, that is not economic development for the working class.

1775
02:36:09.568 --> 02:36:12.811
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>That is the privatization of public resources for private profit.

1776
02:36:13.422 --> 02:36:15.959
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>And this is not simply an abstract concern.

1777
02:36:16.311 --> 02:36:25.469
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Portland's own resolution recognizes that hyperscale data centers can create enormous demands for energy and water and can affect household costs and livability.

1778
02:36:25.951 --> 02:36:31.672
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>The resolution notes that some facilities can consume water at levels comparable to thousands of households.

1779
02:36:32.138 --> 02:36:34.564
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>It also recognizes concerns about noise and emissions.

1780
02:36:35.191 --> 02:36:40.347
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>There should be no corporate right to secrecy when the public is being asked to bear the consequences.

1781
02:36:40.814 --> 02:36:42.147
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>That is why this ban matters.

1782
02:36:42.983 --> 02:36:50.754
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>We should not allow the profit motive of a handful of enormous corporations to determine how we use resources that should belong to the public.

1783
02:36:51.011 --> 02:36:58.139
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Public resources should be controlled democratically and be used to meet human needs, not organized around maximizing corporate profits.

1784
02:36:58.558 --> 02:36:59.537
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>No secret NDAs.

1785
02:36:59.825 --> 02:37:03.343
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>We need full public disclosure and meaningful public participation.

1786
02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:07.566
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>But ultimately, we need a moratorium on hyperscale data centers in Portland.

1787
02:37:07.662 --> 02:37:14.886
<v Maya Scott-Crawl>Councilmember are we going to organize Portland around what corporations can profit from or around what people— working people actually need?

1788
02:37:16.483 --> 02:37:16.805
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1789
02:37:17.144 --> 02:37:17.772
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1790
02:37:20.139 --> 02:37:21.682
<v Leslie Koken>Hi, I'm Leslie Kochan.

1791
02:37:21.939 --> 02:37:29.056
<v Leslie Koken>I'm a member and activist with Oregon Data Center Defiance and XRPDX Extinction Rebellion.

1792
02:37:29.875 --> 02:37:32.063
<v Leslie Koken>Thank you for this opportunity to testify.

1793
02:37:32.691 --> 02:37:37.019
<v Leslie Koken>The rapid buildout of data centers has grabbed my attention for a number of reasons.

1794
02:37:37.763 --> 02:37:46.051
<v Leslie Koken>First, I'm concerned about the myriad of harms that occur within the onsite footprint of a data center, harms that you're hearing a lot about tonight.

1795
02:37:46.662 --> 02:37:49.778
<v Leslie Koken>I'm also concerned about the indirect effects of data centers.

1796
02:37:50.291 --> 02:37:55.834
<v Leslie Koken>Data centers have an insatiable appetite for resources throughout their lifecycle.

1797
02:37:56.155 --> 02:38:15.721
<v Leslie Koken>The offsite harms are extensive and include impacts from raw minerals mining, emissions from materials production for roadways and buildings, water use at offsite power stations, and the impacts of data center e-waste that is often discarded in ways that harm the most vulnerable communities.

1798
02:38:16.460 --> 02:38:24.027
<v Leslie Koken>Lastly, I'm concerned about the outputs or products of data centers, which raises questions that should be asked first.

1799
02:38:24.574 --> 02:38:26.164
<v Leslie Koken>What will the data center produce?

1800
02:38:26.582 --> 02:38:27.208
<v Leslie Koken>Do we need it?

1801
02:38:27.320 --> 02:38:27.995
<v Leslie Koken>Do we want it?

1802
02:38:28.108 --> 02:38:32.173
<v Leslie Koken>Will it completely disrupt the ecosystems that we desire and depend upon?

1803
02:38:32.605 --> 02:38:35.013
<v Leslie Koken>Will it damage a child's ability to think?

1804
02:38:35.671 --> 02:38:48.879
<v Leslie Koken>Is it true, as the heads of AI companies are saying, that it will replace most jobs, that it could facilitate the development and release of new biological pathogens that humans will not be able to control?

1805
02:38:49.472 --> 02:38:58.556
<v Leslie Koken>Because of these concerns and the critical need for both transparency and a data center pause, I support both the NDA resolution and a moratorium.

1806
02:38:58.603 --> 02:38:58.781
<v Leslie Koken>Thank you.

1807
02:38:59.165 --> 02:39:08.270
<v Leslie Koken>I urge the city to pursue a code change so that city officials and staff are prohibited from signing NDAs rather than just urged not to sign.

1808
02:39:08.701 --> 02:39:14.537
<v Leslie Koken>I urge Portland to step up and follow the lead of other cities in Oregon that have passed moratoriums.

1809
02:39:15.049 --> 02:39:22.469
<v Leslie Koken>Lastly, I urge the city to ban outright or through zoning conditions any hyperscale data centers.

1810
02:39:22.967 --> 02:39:23.319
<v Leslie Koken>Thank you.

1811
02:39:24.264 --> 02:39:24.873
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1812
02:39:25.050 --> 02:39:27.230
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all.

1813
02:39:29.148 --> 02:39:30.750
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next— oh, sorry.

1814
02:39:31.170 --> 02:39:41.630
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have Steph Ralph, Michaela McCormick, Lynn Handlin, Melanie Cambron, Edith Gillis.

1815
02:39:44.509 --> 02:39:45.253
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on down, folks.

1816
02:39:45.333 --> 02:39:45.592
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

1817
02:39:46.126 --> 02:39:47.308
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, introduce yourselves to the record.

1818
02:39:47.358 --> 02:39:49.208
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to share your pronouns, and you have 2 minutes.

1819
02:39:50.379 --> 02:39:51.398
<v Sameer Kanal>You like to go first?

1820
02:39:51.646 --> 02:39:52.237
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's up to you.

1821
02:39:52.468 --> 02:39:53.027
<v Lynn Handlin>I don't care.

1822
02:39:53.109 --> 02:39:53.734
<v Steph Ralph>I'll go first.

1823
02:39:53.865 --> 02:39:54.013
<v Steph Ralph>Okay.

1824
02:39:54.432 --> 02:39:56.170
<v Steph Ralph>We're just figuring out order.

1825
02:39:57.166 --> 02:40:01.543
<v Steph Ralph>Council President Dunphy, members of City Council, thank you very much for having us here.

1826
02:40:02.235 --> 02:40:03.217
<v Steph Ralph>My name is Steph Rouse.

1827
02:40:03.840 --> 02:40:05.593
<v Steph Ralph>I am here as an East Portland resident.

1828
02:40:09.222 --> 02:40:22.371
<v Steph Ralph>And first of all, while we've been sitting here, The New Yorker has just dropped its most recent episode of its Political Scene podcast, and the title is How Exactly Could AI Destroy destroy humanity.

1829
02:40:23.030 --> 02:40:24.747
<v Steph Ralph>So this feels timely.

1830
02:40:25.277 --> 02:40:32.996
<v Steph Ralph>Uh, I'm here to urge, please, uh, a yes vote to urge the city administrator to refrain from signing data center NDAs.

1831
02:40:33.655 --> 02:40:42.354
<v Steph Ralph>Transparency is critical, uh, for a thriving democracy, and it has to be intentionally built, uh, into our civic discourse.

1832
02:40:42.531 --> 02:40:44.954
<v Steph Ralph>It has to be a positive, intentional choice.

1833
02:40:45.435 --> 02:40:47.474
<v Steph Ralph>And NDA is the antithesis of this.

1834
02:40:48.325 --> 02:40:56.575
<v Steph Ralph>The development of data centers has been fast and furious over the past several years, and people have feelings about it, and they should.

1835
02:40:57.073 --> 02:41:03.140
<v Steph Ralph>Oregon is currently 2nd in the world for data centers according to IT Load.

1836
02:41:03.735 --> 02:41:05.227
<v Steph Ralph>Beijing is 5th.

1837
02:41:06.302 --> 02:41:09.480
<v Steph Ralph>So that has happened very quickly.

1838
02:41:10.299 --> 02:41:11.631
<v Steph Ralph>Let's have a conversation.

1839
02:41:12.547 --> 02:41:14.634
<v Steph Ralph>I really appreciate NDA as a first step.

1840
02:41:14.729 --> 02:41:14.954
<v Steph Ralph>Thank you.

1841
02:41:15.195 --> 02:41:16.924
<v Steph Ralph>I've heard a lot about moratoriums.

1842
02:41:17.230 --> 02:41:23.558
<v Steph Ralph>I understand that moratoriums also, because it's a city, are limited to 120 days.

1843
02:41:23.977 --> 02:41:26.949
<v Steph Ralph>I would love us to start the process of considering a ban.

1844
02:41:27.643 --> 02:41:29.015
<v Steph Ralph>So let's do that.

1845
02:41:29.403 --> 02:41:38.334
<v Steph Ralph>And I'm grateful to Councilor Koyama Lane and all of the champions who are— who have signed on to this leadership resolution.

1846
02:41:38.840 --> 02:41:40.444
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1847
02:41:40.511 --> 02:41:41.231
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you very much.

1848
02:41:42.342 --> 02:41:44.177
<v Sameer Kanal>Good job.

1849
02:41:45.725 --> 02:41:47.302
<v Melanie Cambron>Good evening, council members.

1850
02:41:47.415 --> 02:41:48.753
<v Melanie Cambron>My name is Melanie Cambren.

1851
02:41:49.122 --> 02:41:54.790
<v Melanie Cambron>I'm an advocate for peace, and I educate around corruption and crimes against humanity.

1852
02:41:55.950 --> 02:42:03.108
<v Melanie Cambron>Today I came with an answer to the question of what is the big push and objective of the data center boom across the country.

1853
02:42:04.320 --> 02:42:14.636
<v Melanie Cambron>The answer is the AI data centers are being used to merge big tech, US government, and elements of the military-industrial complex To create a national security state.

1854
02:42:16.404 --> 02:42:27.978
<v Melanie Cambron>You may have noticed during Trump's inauguration, standing behind him was all the big tech CEOs because they, they were the major donors to his campaign and how he was elected.

1855
02:42:29.209 --> 02:42:33.552
<v Melanie Cambron>The former CEO of Google served on the board of Department of War.

1856
02:42:34.488 --> 02:42:49.003
<v Melanie Cambron>Jeff Bezos' father was part of the foundations of that includes bioterror exercises such as the Crimson Contagion, Atlantic Storm, and Operation Dark Winter.

1857
02:42:50.849 --> 02:43:22.335
<v Melanie Cambron>DARPA uses AI for mass surveillance, which has been blurring the lines of national security and domestic monitoring by implementing predictive policing and military systems where drones and robotic systems can data centers and their AI partnering companies must be screened for human rights abuses, and with NDAs, we would not be able to do this.

1858
02:43:23.690 --> 02:43:30.846
<v Melanie Cambron>Palantir Technologies is a major partner of AI data centers across the country and are currently committing violations of humanitarian law.

1859
02:43:30.911 --> 02:43:31.248
<v Unidentified speaker>Councilmember Smith.

1860
02:43:31.712 --> 02:43:33.815
<v Melanie Cambron>The co-founder of Palantir is Peter Thiel.

1861
02:43:33.879 --> 02:43:40.700
<v Melanie Cambron>He is currently funding the Portland-based company Panthalassa for AI data centers to float in the ocean off the Oregon coast.

1862
02:43:41.406 --> 02:43:46.925
<v Melanie Cambron>The project is called Ocean 3, and there are commercial deployments planned for 2027.

1863
02:43:48.322 --> 02:43:58.997
<v Melanie Cambron>Peter Thiel and Jeffrey Epstein had a business relationship where Epstein arranged meetings with the former Prime Minister of Israel to share intelligence with IDF and vice versa.

1864
02:43:59.625 --> 02:44:07.208
<v Melanie Cambron>It is no wonder why the draft of the NDAA bill, Section 219, is trying to authorize the merge of the US and Israeli military intelligence.

1865
02:44:07.385 --> 02:44:08.335
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1866
02:44:08.804 --> 02:44:09.077
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1867
02:44:09.143 --> 02:44:11.208
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1868
02:44:11.724 --> 02:44:13.209
<v Edith Gillis>Edith Gillis, District 3.

1869
02:44:13.661 --> 02:44:15.726
<v Edith Gillis>Good job, everyone.

1870
02:44:16.629 --> 02:44:37.352
<v Edith Gillis>Um, prohibit the city administrator, mayor, and any city employee or legal agent representing the city from signing data center nondisclosure agreements with data center developers, contractors, investors, and require the city to engage in transparent public processes, giving the public full information in a timely way, supporting all full public engagement accessible to all.

1871
02:44:37.865 --> 02:44:50.084
<v Edith Gillis>Make all the information about applications, meetings, content, participants, proposals, etc., freely and easily and promptly available in writing, video, Braille, American Sign Language, audio recordings, English, Spanish, Cantonese, etc.

1872
02:44:50.629 --> 02:45:00.113
<v Edith Gillis>Include environmental and economic and social justice impact statements available in all forms to the public with several weeks to review, including listening sessions in each district.

1873
02:45:00.434 --> 02:45:06.564
<v Edith Gillis>Make sure all in the public can testify in person and virtually with at least 3 minutes per oral testimony.

1874
02:45:06.915 --> 02:45:19.638
<v Edith Gillis>It's a cruel shame to make someone permanently disabled by the poisons of data centers limit their years of suffering to only 3 minutes to say their truth while industry con men take up most of the time and money.

1875
02:45:19.702 --> 02:45:19.815
<v Edith Gillis>Thank you.

1876
02:45:20.377 --> 02:45:37.483
<v Edith Gillis>Even the central banks of all the global nations' central banks have warned last spring that data centers will cause a global economic crash worse than a combination of the dot-com bubble and the Great Depression and that of the 1850s.

1877
02:45:38.784 --> 02:46:01.950
<v Edith Gillis>Because these data centers violate state requirements of cities' public health and public safety, infrastructure and resources, budget and services, and because when they lose their money, they're going to leave town, and we taxpayers are stuck with paying for the lifelong disability services, the poison cleanup, the food and loss, the fires.

1878
02:46:02.689 --> 02:46:09.301
<v Edith Gillis>All the harm that these companies are causing, we'll end up paying for, for those who have survived.

1879
02:46:10.424 --> 02:46:12.592
<v Edith Gillis>Thank you for starting this first step.

1880
02:46:12.960 --> 02:46:14.261
<v Edith Gillis>Continue all the way.

1881
02:46:15.380 --> 02:46:17.075
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1882
02:46:19.870 --> 02:46:28.621
<v Jamie Dunphy>Michaela, go ahead.

1883
02:46:28.930 --> 02:46:29.188
<v Keelan McClymont>Michaela.

1884
02:46:29.995 --> 02:46:30.350
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1885
02:46:30.559 --> 02:46:32.691
<v Michaela McCormick>I'm Michaela McCormick in District 2.

1886
02:46:33.789 --> 02:46:41.147
<v Michaela McCormick>I urge the City of Portland to approve the resolution to not sign any nondisclosure agreements with data center companies.

1887
02:46:42.066 --> 02:46:53.685
<v Michaela McCormick>Any and all plans to build data centers in Portland need to be revealed to the public in ample time for citizens to offer input into considerations to improve such plans.

1888
02:46:54.632 --> 02:47:00.939
<v Michaela McCormick>Data center companies have a consistent record of making deals with government entities out of the public sight.

1889
02:47:01.485 --> 02:47:08.289
<v Michaela McCormick>The harmful environmental, natural resource, and public finance effects of data centers are now being widely publicized.

1890
02:47:08.352 --> 02:47:08.449
<v Michaela McCormick>Thank you.

1891
02:47:08.626 --> 02:47:09.493
<v Michaela McCormick>For good reason.

1892
02:47:10.328 --> 02:47:20.177
<v Michaela McCormick>Their voracious use of water and power, i.e., electricity and other forms of energy, is by itself sufficient reason to rein in their development.

1893
02:47:20.755 --> 02:47:39.333
<v Michaela McCormick>On top of that, their appropriation of huge swaths of land prevent devoting that land to affordable housing, sorely needed urban agriculture and tree planting, and community healthcare facilities that are affordable and accessible to the growing number of residents priced out of our current healthcare system.

1894
02:47:40.183 --> 02:47:49.058
<v Michaela McCormick>All of these and more are prevented by profit-addicted corporations seeking more wealth and economic growth.

1895
02:47:50.117 --> 02:47:53.786
<v Michaela McCormick>Data centers are just the latest means of feeding that addiction.

1896
02:47:54.602 --> 02:48:03.078
<v Michaela McCormick>Overwhelming scientific evidence has revealed the existential threat of the toxic, extractive, and exploitative effects of that unbridled growth.

1897
02:48:03.127 --> 02:48:03.238
<v Michaela McCormick>Thank you.

1898
02:48:04.137 --> 02:48:13.904
<v Michaela McCormick>In particular, the hyperscale data centers needed to serve artificial intelligence are now aiding in our own cognitive disability and mental atrophy.

1899
02:48:14.657 --> 02:48:20.399
<v Michaela McCormick>This technology is eating away at our capacity to stay in charge of our own well-being and evolution.

1900
02:48:20.977 --> 02:48:32.828
<v Michaela McCormick>We not only need to demand complete transparency of proposals for data centers, but also a moratorium on more such proposals and a ban on data center development until we know the extent of their effect on our health.

1901
02:48:32.877 --> 02:48:33.004
<v Michaela McCormick>Thank you.

1902
02:48:38.619 --> 02:48:39.472
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1903
02:48:46.613 --> 02:48:47.084
<v Keelan McClymont>Go ahead, Lynn.

1904
02:48:48.236 --> 02:48:57.601
<v Lynn Handlin>Uh, my name is Lynn Handlin, and, um, I support this first baby step no data center non-disclosure agreement resolution.

1905
02:48:57.713 --> 02:49:04.602
<v Lynn Handlin>The language in this resolution is sadly weak, using words like urge and encourage rather than require.

1906
02:49:05.228 --> 02:49:11.055
<v Lynn Handlin>Urges the city administrator and city leadership to refrain from signing NDAs regarding data centers.

1907
02:49:11.873 --> 02:49:16.529
<v Lynn Handlin>I mean, I don't think that that's going to really work with our current city leadership.

1908
02:49:16.784 --> 02:49:18.727
<v Lynn Handlin>They don't care what they're being urged to do.

1909
02:49:19.657 --> 02:49:26.864
<v Lynn Handlin>Um, why not say no signing NDAs regarding data centers or really anything else that impacts Portlanders?

1910
02:49:26.977 --> 02:49:31.246
<v Lynn Handlin>I assume that you all need to make some other changes so that you can use stronger language.

1911
02:49:31.792 --> 02:49:33.815
<v Lynn Handlin>So I'm hoping you find a way to do that.

1912
02:49:34.023 --> 02:49:38.421
<v Lynn Handlin>We need real transparency, not ask nicely and hope everyone will behave well.

1913
02:49:39.094 --> 02:49:46.605
<v Lynn Handlin>The city administrator and directors, and certainly the mayor, have all proven numerous times that we cannot trust them to be transparent about other issues.

1914
02:49:47.022 --> 02:49:49.655
<v Lynn Handlin>So I know we can't trust them about data centers.

1915
02:49:50.167 --> 02:49:51.612
<v Lynn Handlin>We should not have to trust them.

1916
02:49:51.756 --> 02:49:57.630
<v Lynn Handlin>They need to be required to behave in good faith with full transparency, with consequences if they do not.

1917
02:49:58.336 --> 02:50:01.929
<v Lynn Handlin>I'm glad you're including language about a moratorium.

1918
02:50:03.164 --> 02:50:07.220
<v Lynn Handlin>Please include the large load data centers as well as the hyperscale.

1919
02:50:07.814 --> 02:50:13.860
<v Lynn Handlin>We need a moratorium now, so please go beyond intending to pursue and get it done.

1920
02:50:14.452 --> 02:50:18.638
<v Lynn Handlin>Data centers suck water, land, power, and they drive climate change.

1921
02:50:18.735 --> 02:50:22.534
<v Lynn Handlin>So, you know, if the AI doesn't get us, the climate change will.

1922
02:50:22.744 --> 02:50:24.155
<v Lynn Handlin>So let's just not do that.

1923
02:50:24.251 --> 02:50:24.379
<v Lynn Handlin>Thank you.

1924
02:50:24.813 --> 02:50:25.951
<v Lynn Handlin>We don't need more of them.

1925
02:50:26.095 --> 02:50:26.881
<v Lynn Handlin>We have enough.

1926
02:50:27.459 --> 02:50:29.112
<v Lynn Handlin>Please pass this resolution.

1927
02:50:30.172 --> 02:50:32.193
<v Lynn Handlin>It is a step, and then go further.

1928
02:50:32.273 --> 02:50:44.164
<v Lynn Handlin>Pass a real moratorium as soon as possible and stronger enforceable language on the no NDAs with data centers, the city council notification rule, and, um, and the rest of that part.

1929
02:50:44.629 --> 02:50:50.743
<v Lynn Handlin>In fact, how about no early assistance in data center permitting, period?

1930
02:50:50.807 --> 02:50:51.897
<v Lynn Handlin>Not just notification.

1931
02:50:51.945 --> 02:50:52.106
<v Lynn Handlin>Thank you.

1932
02:50:53.998 --> 02:51:03.256
<v Lynn Handlin>And last, how about applying all these wonderful transparency rules proposed here for all other issues regarding the city and, and our community?

1933
02:51:05.108 --> 02:51:05.703
<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

1934
02:51:05.977 --> 02:51:07.557
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1935
02:51:08.475 --> 02:51:16.981
<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Cassandra Bloom, M.B., Michael Mintz, Emily Waldron, Jeremy Bosole-Smith.

1936
02:51:18.559 --> 02:51:20.141
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on down, folks, if you heard your name called.

1937
02:51:21.229 --> 02:51:22.358
<v Jamie Dunphy>Hope folks stuck around.

1938
02:51:23.170 --> 02:51:23.933
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see some folks online.

1939
02:51:25.706 --> 02:51:26.173
<v Jamie Dunphy>Jump right in.

1940
02:51:27.074 --> 02:51:28.425
<v Michael Mintz>Yeah, hello, good evening.

1941
02:51:29.021 --> 02:51:30.903
<v Michael Mintz>Thank, thank you for, um—.

1942
02:51:31.433 --> 02:51:32.625
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, hold on a second, Cassandra.

1943
02:51:33.309 --> 02:51:34.420
<v Jamie Dunphy>Cassandra, we're here in the room first.

1944
02:51:34.468 --> 02:51:35.384
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll come right back to you.

1945
02:51:37.486 --> 02:51:37.680
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1946
02:51:37.727 --> 02:51:38.808
<v Jamie Dunphy>Go ahead.

1947
02:51:40.792 --> 02:51:44.389
<v Michael Mintz>Yeah, thank you, thank you all for supporting this resolution.

1948
02:51:44.664 --> 02:51:46.270
<v Michael Mintz>It's It's really crucial.

1949
02:51:46.583 --> 02:51:47.603
<v Michael Mintz>It's really important.

1950
02:51:49.020 --> 02:51:56.096
<v Michael Mintz>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane, for pulling this off and getting everybody here to sign on.

1951
02:51:57.237 --> 02:52:00.418
<v Michael Mintz>And thank you, everybody who testified here today.

1952
02:52:01.371 --> 02:52:04.020
<v Michael Mintz>It's hard to— these are hard acts to follow up.

1953
02:52:04.117 --> 02:52:06.586
<v Michael Mintz>These people are very articulate and informed.

1954
02:52:10.373 --> 02:52:24.041
<v Michael Mintz>I would like to emphasize though that, you know, language like the city urges the city administrator to refrain, I mean, this, it is a good step, but this is pretty weak.

1955
02:52:24.186 --> 02:52:36.075
<v Michael Mintz>I mean, the whole idea of NDA agreements between, you know, I understand like you need in a capitalist society, you might want to have NDA agreements.

1956
02:52:36.138 --> 02:52:36.236
<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah.

1957
02:52:37.005 --> 02:52:43.691
<v Michael Mintz>You know, here and there with businesses and people, you know, businesses are renting this and that.

1958
02:52:44.111 --> 02:52:56.179
<v Michael Mintz>And, you know, but NDA agreements with city officials and government officials, that, excuse my language, that's just batshit crazy.

1959
02:52:56.599 --> 02:53:02.486
<v Michael Mintz>I mean, that is, it's anathema to democracy itself.

1960
02:53:02.534 --> 02:53:02.664
<v Michael Mintz>Thank you.

1961
02:53:04.219 --> 02:53:06.129
<v Michael Mintz>There's no way that that should even be a thing.

1962
02:53:06.194 --> 02:53:07.764
<v Michael Mintz>I don't even know why we're talking about it.

1963
02:53:08.363 --> 02:53:18.120
<v Michael Mintz>And Lynn, who just spoke a moment ago, is absolutely right that this whole idea of NDA agreements, this should apply to everything, not just data centers.

1964
02:53:21.291 --> 02:53:47.592
<v Michael Mintz>Um, you know, what I would like to say is that I think the next step is a code change to prohibit and ban signing NDAs, you know, pass the current resolution, but we really want to have a code change because we've seen how disingenuous our city officials can be.

1965
02:53:48.096 --> 02:53:48.521
<v Michael Mintz>Thank you.

1966
02:53:49.075 --> 02:53:49.661
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1967
02:53:53.663 --> 02:53:57.211
<v Jamie Dunphy>Cassandra online, you, you started, I cut you off rudely, I apologize.

1968
02:53:57.309 --> 02:53:59.200
<v Jamie Dunphy>Go ahead and take That's okay.

1969
02:53:59.409 --> 02:54:01.639
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, my apologies, this is my first council meeting.

1970
02:54:02.618 --> 02:54:04.318
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, hello, my name is Cassandra.

1971
02:54:04.703 --> 02:54:06.581
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I'm from District 3.

1972
02:54:07.672 --> 02:54:23.715
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I'm currently asking the City Council to support Resolution 2026-299, as I oppose the expansion of data centers in Portland, and I strongly oppose the use of non-disclosure agreements to keep data center negotiations, negotiations out of public view.

1973
02:54:24.304 --> 02:54:31.215
<v Unidentified speaker>Decisions involving our water, electricity, land, infrastructure, and public resources should not be made behind closed doors.

1974
02:54:32.200 --> 02:54:49.441
<v Unidentified speaker>Please prohibit data center NDAs as well as any NDAs that come about further, um, and require full public transparency, along with putting Portland residents before private data center interests.

1975
02:54:49.510 --> 02:54:49.753
<v Unidentified speaker>Second.

1976
02:54:50.852 --> 02:54:59.034
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, as well as putting the, um, moratorium, uh, in place.

1977
02:55:00.120 --> 02:55:23.111
<v Unidentified speaker>And I agree with those who've, uh, spoke before me about the wording on this, um, item, as it's rather, um, loose about things, or at the very least, it's, as other people have articulated better than me, um, not the best wording.

1978
02:55:24.270 --> 02:55:24.970
<v Unidentified speaker>That is all.

1979
02:55:25.183 --> 02:55:25.509
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1980
02:55:26.325 --> 02:55:26.960
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1981
02:55:30.191 --> 02:55:37.676
<v Keelan McClymont>Emily, Emily, Emily, you're muted.

1982
02:55:41.396 --> 02:55:45.090
<v Emily Waldron>Sorry, I wasn't sure if it was me or someone else.

1983
02:55:45.828 --> 02:55:47.306
<v Emily Waldron>Hi, my name is Emily Waldron.

1984
02:55:47.658 --> 02:55:49.264
<v Emily Waldron>I am not a Portland resident.

1985
02:55:49.425 --> 02:55:55.704
<v Emily Waldron>I am actually calling from unincorporated Washington County, about a mile and a half as the crow flies from the nearest data center.

1986
02:55:56.331 --> 02:55:59.638
<v Emily Waldron>And I also am speaking on behalf of Oregon Data Center Defiance.

1987
02:56:00.586 --> 02:56:08.054
<v Emily Waldron>First of all, we would like to say thank you for beginning to have conversations around NDAs for data centers and enacting a moratorium.

1988
02:56:08.102 --> 02:56:08.359
<v Emily Waldron>Thank you.

1989
02:56:09.033 --> 02:56:11.972
<v Emily Waldron>We've seen 2 cities here in Oregon do moratoriums.

1990
02:56:12.389 --> 02:56:21.127
<v Emily Waldron>Woodburn did one, enacted one yesterday, and Hillsboro's had one for over a month now, as both are working to be able to put regulations in place to protect their communities.

1991
02:56:21.865 --> 02:56:30.057
<v Emily Waldron>As other commenters have said, I would urge you very, very strongly to use this as the beginning, as the tip of the iceberg.

1992
02:56:31.422 --> 02:56:39.403
<v Emily Waldron>Urging your city staff to not enter into NDAs is very different than banning from the them from entering into NDAs.

1993
02:56:40.575 --> 02:56:45.310
<v Emily Waldron>You all need to go through the work to enact a ban so they cannot go behind your back and do this.

1994
02:56:45.808 --> 02:56:59.664
<v Emily Waldron>And I say this as someone who lives in a community where city staff was at odds with the city council and very much signed agreements against council wishes with different businesses and groups on purpose for tech and for that industry.

1995
02:57:00.162 --> 02:57:04.094
<v Emily Waldron>And so an urge is not a strong enough thing to push through.

1996
02:57:04.592 --> 02:57:09.287
<v Emily Waldron>The other thing I would encourage you all to carry forward is this 120-day moratorium.

1997
02:57:09.943 --> 02:57:16.497
<v Emily Waldron>As we learned in committee, for the city of Portland, your current codes define data centers as office buildings.

1998
02:57:17.155 --> 02:57:19.221
<v Emily Waldron>A data center is very different from an office building.

1999
02:57:19.270 --> 02:57:30.727
<v Emily Waldron>A data center runs 365 days a year, no evenings off, no holidays, constant droning of noise, water pollution, light pollution, heat pollution, and more.

2000
02:57:31.191 --> 02:57:46.265
<v Emily Waldron>So your communities deserve the time for you all to take to protect them from these things and making sure that they're, if not flat out banned, that there's things in place to ensure that they're not going up next to your schools, to the hospitals, and to the residences where people live.

2001
02:57:46.908 --> 02:57:56.027
<v Emily Waldron>And with that, I would also remind the council that while some people think there's protection because of the size of the city, there's none.

2002
02:57:56.236 --> 02:57:57.745
<v Emily Waldron>And a data center will just go vertical.

2003
02:57:57.921 --> 02:57:58.980
<v Emily Waldron>It will just go underground.

2004
02:57:59.060 --> 02:58:00.168
<v Emily Waldron>It will come for you if it wants to come for you.

2005
02:58:00.233 --> 02:58:00.618
<v Emily Waldron>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

2006
02:58:00.971 --> 02:58:05.108
<v Emily Waldron>So don't think you're safe just because Portland is very packed full of people.

2007
02:58:05.656 --> 02:58:05.915
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

2008
02:58:06.707 --> 02:58:07.579
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2009
02:58:11.558 --> 02:58:17.814
<v Keelan McClymont>MB, you're muted.

2010
02:58:23.520 --> 02:58:23.813
<v Unidentified speaker>Oh my God.

2011
02:58:24.041 --> 02:58:26.684
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, uh, MB, District 3.

2012
02:58:27.289 --> 02:58:28.577
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, so let's get into it.

2013
02:58:28.861 --> 02:58:40.123
<v Unidentified speaker>So while I support this resolution, it is also paramount that Portland passes stronger regulations that prohibit the city or city employees from signing NDAs at all, especially for data centers.

2014
02:58:40.637 --> 02:58:52.299
<v Unidentified speaker>Portlanders want transparency, not backroom deal baloney that, you know, inevitably leaves the public in the dark and footing the physical, psychological, and financial bill of these facilities.

2015
02:58:52.956 --> 02:59:04.804
<v Unidentified speaker>And I support a moratorium in the meantime, you know, while the city implements new standards and regulations, but I'm encouraging City Council to kick it up a notch, you know, enact an outright ban on data centers.

2016
02:59:04.996 --> 02:59:20.424
<v Unidentified speaker>Like, we do not need to be complicit in expanding a technology that's currently being used to surveil and kill people here and abroad, that is actively destroying the planet and poisoning every living thing, that's pillaging and plundering the natural resources we all need to live.

2017
02:59:20.471 --> 02:59:21.869
<v Unidentified speaker>Like, hello, water?

2018
02:59:22.558 --> 02:59:23.345
<v Unidentified speaker>Water, anyone?

2019
02:59:23.458 --> 02:59:26.637
<v Unidentified speaker>Like, it's causing, like, cognitive decline.

2020
02:59:26.925 --> 02:59:29.173
<v Unidentified speaker>Mayor of myriad of other health issues.

2021
02:59:29.236 --> 02:59:29.685
<v Unidentified speaker>We know the list.

2022
02:59:29.799 --> 02:59:30.568
<v Unidentified speaker>The list is so long.

2023
02:59:31.820 --> 02:59:35.304
<v Unidentified speaker>So yeah, no, no, no, no data centers.

2024
02:59:35.399 --> 02:59:35.656
<v Unidentified speaker>No.

2025
02:59:35.801 --> 02:59:37.278
<v Unidentified speaker>Especially these hyperscale ones.

2026
02:59:37.326 --> 02:59:39.959
<v Unidentified speaker>They're just bad for everyone, bad for everything.

2027
02:59:40.632 --> 02:59:42.719
<v Unidentified speaker>Literally no positive thing about them.

2028
02:59:43.906 --> 02:59:51.900
<v Unidentified speaker>And we don't want or need— we've actually never needed these mass surveillance death machine facilities because that's really what they are.

2029
02:59:53.056 --> 02:59:57.614
<v Unidentified speaker>And I sure as heck don't want to be footing the ecological and financial bill for them.

2030
02:59:57.807 --> 03:00:03.075
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm sure everyone else if not most folks in the chambers tonight, don't want to be footing it either.

2031
03:00:03.122 --> 03:00:06.288
<v Unidentified speaker>So I want a livable future, actually.

2032
03:00:06.865 --> 03:00:09.870
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, so let's protect Portlanders and the environment.

2033
03:00:10.174 --> 03:00:13.179
<v Unidentified speaker>Data center ban now, hopefully sooner.

2034
03:00:13.612 --> 03:00:15.106
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, get them out of here.

2035
03:00:15.236 --> 03:00:15.573
<v Lynn Handlin>Let's go.

2036
03:00:15.781 --> 03:00:16.296
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's do it.

2037
03:00:16.521 --> 03:00:21.210
<v Unidentified speaker>Council, let us know how we can help with that, because yeah, no, they don't belong here.

2038
03:00:21.581 --> 03:00:22.143
<v Emily Waldron>Get them out of here.

2039
03:00:22.609 --> 03:00:23.573
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, thank you.

2040
03:00:24.311 --> 03:00:25.083
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2041
03:00:27.823 --> 03:00:29.238
<v Keelan McClymont>Jeremy Bosselet-Smith.

2042
03:00:31.909 --> 03:00:34.629
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>Yeah, I agree totally with that, uh, that last testimony.

2043
03:00:36.248 --> 03:00:37.763
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>Good evening, councilors.

2044
03:00:37.942 --> 03:00:39.474
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>My name is Jeremy Bosselet-Smith.

2045
03:00:39.734 --> 03:00:42.567
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>I live in District 4, and I'm a candidate for Portland City Council.

2046
03:00:43.389 --> 03:00:48.238
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>AI data centers use enormous amounts of electricity, and Portlanders should not be stuck paying the price.

2047
03:00:48.818 --> 03:00:55.108
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>In just 5 years, regional data center growth added the demand equivalent of 400,000 new people on PGE's system.

2048
03:00:55.572 --> 03:00:59.549
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>In that same time, our electric— our electricity rates climbed by 50%.

2049
03:00:59.887 --> 03:01:05.692
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>It's clear that expansion is happening too quickly and Portland can't absorb this massive new demand.

2050
03:01:06.141 --> 03:01:16.985
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>We must also consider the additional effects of data centers: increased water usage, air and noise pollution, and a less reliable power grid that will become increasingly vulnerable to extreme weather events.

2051
03:01:17.787 --> 03:01:20.370
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>This resolution is a good step in the right direction.

2052
03:01:20.882 --> 03:01:23.256
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>However, we have to go so much farther.

2053
03:01:23.305 --> 03:01:33.790
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>Councilmember AI data centers are the harbinger of a dystopian future, a future where we are constantly surveilled and technology is used by the most evil people for the most vile of purposes.

2054
03:01:34.542 --> 03:01:39.239
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>This is not the future we were promised, and we must take it back from the corporations destroying our Earth.

2055
03:01:40.058 --> 03:01:44.433
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>We're at the precipice of environmental and societal collapse, and we must act now.

2056
03:01:45.363 --> 03:01:48.875
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>This is why I'm fighting for a 4-year AI data center ban.

2057
03:01:49.356 --> 03:01:55.533
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>In Portland, selling our land and resources to out-of-state tech companies is a bad deal for our city's future.

2058
03:01:55.905 --> 03:01:58.234
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>We survived many years without data centers.

2059
03:01:58.411 --> 03:02:03.846
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>We will be fine without them, at least until we can ensure Portland's resources serve Portlanders first.

2060
03:02:04.350 --> 03:02:04.772
<v Jeremy Bosole-Smith>Thank you.

2061
03:02:05.891 --> 03:02:06.492
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2062
03:02:10.662 --> 03:02:12.277
<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Amy Stone.

2063
03:02:17.691 --> 03:02:19.230
<v Amy Stone>Hi, Portland City Council.

2064
03:02:19.470 --> 03:02:21.972
<v Amy Stone>My name is Amy Stone and I'm a resident in District 2.

2065
03:02:22.677 --> 03:02:30.422
<v Amy Stone>I support the proposed resolution as a first step, but we need an ordinance amending city code to prohibit city officials from entering NDAs with data center developers.

2066
03:02:31.095 --> 03:02:45.752
<v Amy Stone>The expansion of data centers makes a small number of big tech billionaires extremely wealthy through circular investments and billion-dollar tax breaks, leaving everyone else to bear the cost in the form of environmental pollution, higher utility bills, job cuts, and other negative social impacts of unregulated AI.

2067
03:02:46.569 --> 03:02:57.959
<v Amy Stone>Here in Oregon, even after the passage of the POWER Act in the state legislature last year, PG&E announced its 8th consecutive regular rate hike for residential customers, whose rates are up 50% from 5 years ago.

2068
03:02:58.520 --> 03:03:04.664
<v Amy Stone>PG&E also reports that data center demand is up 6-fold from 2020, while consumer demand remains flat.

2069
03:03:05.322 --> 03:03:13.004
<v Amy Stone>We cannot continue to subsidize this industry, and city officials cannot be allowed to make backroom deals with the developers who prioritize their profits over our well-being.

2070
03:03:13.981 --> 03:03:17.492
<v Amy Stone>Across our state, we have seen Woodburn and Hillsboro enact moratoriums.

2071
03:03:17.908 --> 03:03:22.365
<v Amy Stone>Eugene just banned city employees from signing NDAs with data center developers, what we're talking about here.

2072
03:03:23.279 --> 03:03:29.354
<v Amy Stone>And we've seen communities in La Pine and Salem successfully rally and win against data center development proposals.

2073
03:03:30.172 --> 03:03:35.174
<v Amy Stone>And even Governor Kotek came out in support of a moratorium at a rally last week in Salem.

2074
03:03:35.879 --> 03:03:49.424
<v Amy Stone>We need a city ordinance that explicitly prohibits the usage of NDAs between city officials and data center developers because it's us who will continue continue to be faced with the rising cost of utility bills and bear the brunt of the health impacts related to data centers polluting our air and water.

2075
03:03:50.180 --> 03:04:00.914
<v Amy Stone>I appreciate Councilor Koyama Lane for your amendment as a first step, and I urge the council to pass this resolution so we can get a moratorium on data center proposals as we work towards our goal of a ban passed here in Portland.

2076
03:04:01.433 --> 03:04:01.918
<v Amy Stone>Thank you.

2077
03:04:03.459 --> 03:04:04.043
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2078
03:04:04.920 --> 03:04:06.184
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

2079
03:04:07.012 --> 03:04:14.141
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, We are now into discussion and technical and clarifying questions.

2080
03:04:14.431 --> 03:04:15.922
<v Jamie Dunphy>To the queue, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2081
03:04:16.739 --> 03:04:17.540
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

2082
03:04:17.861 --> 03:04:21.197
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And thank you so much for everyone that's come out to testify tonight.

2083
03:04:21.292 --> 03:04:27.097
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I know that this has gotten bumped from agenda, so especially wanna say thank you to those who have been— who have come out multiple times.

2084
03:04:27.146 --> 03:04:27.963
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thanks for your patience.

2085
03:04:28.043 --> 03:04:29.134
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for your advocacy.

2086
03:04:29.727 --> 03:04:35.933
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I want to quickly talk a little bit about the reason that the language in the resolution has words like urges and refrain.

2087
03:04:36.461 --> 03:04:46.787
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And that's because as a council, we don't have the authority through our city charter to require or force the city administrator or mayor to make certain choices via resolution.

2088
03:04:47.380 --> 03:04:55.699
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I want to say it still is really powerful because this resolution sets a clear policy expectation, and we're also doing it really publicly.

2089
03:04:56.132 --> 03:05:01.930
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So when this passes, I think I can guess that it's going to pass, we have these expectations really clear and on record.

2090
03:05:01.977 --> 03:05:05.872
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So both the city administration and the public Thank you.

2091
03:05:06.018 --> 03:05:08.208
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Are very clear about what our expectations are.

2092
03:05:08.759 --> 03:05:10.915
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And yes, a moratorium is one lever at a pull—.

2093
03:05:11.450 --> 03:05:11.629
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Pull.

2094
03:05:12.245 --> 03:05:15.647
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I believe personally that we need a statewide 3-year moratorium.

2095
03:05:16.132 --> 03:05:24.248
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And as I have learned a lot more about this topic, I know that local jurisdictions really are limited to a max of 120-day moratoriums at a time.

2096
03:05:24.459 --> 03:05:28.452
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And there's a really long, complex land use process that you get back in the queue for.

2097
03:05:29.209 --> 03:05:34.025
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And many of the advocates that I've spoken to in different states from across the country have all recommended, if you can, start with a ban.

2098
03:05:36.030 --> 03:05:45.613
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I've also honestly really appreciated the conversations with folks from the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability and our city attorneys about the possible next steps of zoning restrictions or a ban.

2099
03:05:46.530 --> 03:05:50.438
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And that would be binding, changing binding city code, not a resolution.

2100
03:05:50.566 --> 03:05:52.415
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I hear you and I'm grateful that you're here.

2101
03:05:52.881 --> 03:05:54.538
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And let's stay in touch about next steps.

2102
03:05:56.122 --> 03:05:57.139
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2103
03:05:57.414 --> 03:05:57.962
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

2104
03:05:59.351 --> 03:06:00.465
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

2105
03:06:01.352 --> 03:06:07.156
<v Steve Novick>As one of the testifiers said, Data centers are tied in with 2 existential threats.

2106
03:06:07.557 --> 03:06:13.497
<v Steve Novick>By sucking up vast amounts of energy, they accelerate climate change, and they're also inextricably tied in with AI.

2107
03:06:13.643 --> 03:06:19.567
<v Steve Novick>And we've been hearing for the last week in the national news about what a threat the people who know AI best know that it is.

2108
03:06:20.403 --> 03:06:28.254
<v Steve Novick>On a personal note, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I am very glad that I am old, so old that I can even remember being progressive in the '80s.

2109
03:06:28.853 --> 03:06:34.546
<v Steve Novick>Because my advanced age makes it at least possible that I will be comfortably dead before AI destroys all human life.

2110
03:06:37.772 --> 03:06:38.677
<v Candace Avalos>What about us?

2111
03:06:38.726 --> 03:06:40.213
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2112
03:06:41.763 --> 03:06:42.988
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're gonna leave us behind?

2113
03:06:43.054 --> 03:06:44.505
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, follow that up.

2114
03:06:45.216 --> 03:06:50.943
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>As someone not quite that old with kids, I'm hoping we can do better than that, Councilor.

2115
03:06:56.079 --> 03:07:08.049
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I need to start as I did in committee by saying that in abundance of caution, I want to declare a potential conflict of interest.

2116
03:07:08.112 --> 03:07:13.551
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>My wife works for a tech company that in part does own some data centers.

2117
03:07:14.948 --> 03:07:16.872
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That contributes to our family income.

2118
03:07:17.177 --> 03:07:22.288
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>While I don't believe there is an actual conflict of interest, It has been advised that I declare the potential.

2119
03:07:24.209 --> 03:07:27.835
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That said, I wholeheartedly support this resolution.

2120
03:07:29.318 --> 03:07:43.371
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The documented environmental impacts of data centers are the start, but Portland also needs to be deliberate about how we use one of our scarcest economic resources: our job-available land, including our industrial land.

2121
03:07:44.016 --> 03:07:49.805
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And while we learned in committee that these data centers are zoned commercial, we also learned that in the Central East Side, they.

2122
03:07:50.159 --> 03:07:53.256
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Can be sited on industrial land.

2123
03:07:54.524 --> 03:07:57.781
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This resolution is fundamentally about transparency and accountability.

2124
03:07:58.617 --> 03:08:05.228
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It asks us for greater public transparency and council awareness if and when the city is approached about very large data centers.

2125
03:08:05.277 --> 03:08:15.933
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that matters because Portland has a limited supply of good job land, and the choices that we make about these data centers will shape our economy.

2126
03:08:15.980 --> 03:08:16.478
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Smith.

2127
03:08:16.912 --> 03:08:20.974
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And the space we have to grow other parts of our economy for decades to come.

2128
03:08:21.808 --> 03:08:32.293
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When land is scarce, we need to think not just about the capital a project brings, but how effectively that land use creates lasting employment opportunities.

2129
03:08:33.290 --> 03:08:41.495
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So we should ask a straightforward question: how many good permanent jobs do we get for the amount of land we commit to any type of project?

2130
03:08:43.244 --> 03:08:52.194
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>A very large data center, yes, represents a substantial capital improvement, and it requires a relatively small workforce.

2131
03:08:53.189 --> 03:08:59.494
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Construction jobs and the indirect economic activity are, of course, important, but they can't be the end of the story.

2132
03:09:00.086 --> 03:09:03.343
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Our permanent employment located on a site matters.

2133
03:09:04.337 --> 03:09:05.588
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is about job density.

2134
03:09:05.861 --> 03:09:09.326
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's about economic opportunity for our future.

2135
03:09:09.390 --> 03:09:09.519
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2136
03:09:09.791 --> 03:09:20.355
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And it's about opportunity cost as well as the important environmental and transparency values that have been stated many times by folks in the room today and my colleagues.

2137
03:09:21.432 --> 03:09:29.860
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The question becomes even more important when a project has those unusually large demands for electricity, water, and other infrastructure that we know data centers do.

2138
03:09:31.225 --> 03:09:43.995
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The resource demands of a data center have economic and environmental consequences that we all deserve to understand before the city enters into any more of these commitments or makes decisions about sites.

2139
03:09:44.718 --> 03:09:57.620
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We should know how much electricity, how much water a proposed facility of any type will require, what infrastructure it would need, and what permanent employment will be, what environmental mitigation would be provided.

2140
03:09:58.537 --> 03:10:06.056
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The point is that the city needs information to evaluate projects that are considering located here and to evaluate those projects' impacts.

2141
03:10:07.292 --> 03:10:11.036
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Transparency is not at odds with economic development.

2142
03:10:11.629 --> 03:10:17.541
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It makes sure that our economic development is working for us, for the people of our community.

2143
03:10:18.682 --> 03:10:26.377
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This resolution gives council and gives the public an opportunity to understand trade-offs before any decisions are made.

2144
03:10:27.292 --> 03:10:29.172
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's critical that we move this forward.

2145
03:10:29.220 --> 03:10:29.349
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2146
03:10:29.702 --> 03:10:32.972
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And it's critical that this be just the first step of the conversation.

2147
03:10:33.956 --> 03:10:36.838
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was proud to be one of the early co-sponsors.

2148
03:10:37.262 --> 03:10:40.322
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane, and I'm looking forward to the vote today.

2149
03:10:41.449 --> 03:10:42.334
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2150
03:10:42.479 --> 03:10:43.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

2151
03:10:44.815 --> 03:10:45.620
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Council President.

2152
03:10:46.039 --> 03:10:46.941
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks to my co-sponsors.

2153
03:10:46.990 --> 03:10:49.076
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm happy to join in bringing this forward.

2154
03:10:49.674 --> 03:10:51.097
<v Sameer Kanal>Broadly speaking, NDAs are bad.

2155
03:10:51.372 --> 03:10:59.326
<v Sameer Kanal>We've seen them be used in other cities to prevent public awareness of and input into development that impacts their neighborhoods and to shield decision makers from community opposition.

2156
03:11:01.441 --> 03:11:02.210
<v Sameer Kanal>And accountability.

2157
03:11:02.948 --> 03:11:12.129
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, this resolution would declare that transparency should be standard practice in Portland, and I hope a step towards saying that, um, transparency must be standard practice in Portland.

2158
03:11:13.058 --> 03:11:28.009
<v Sameer Kanal>We have a right to know if the city administration is considering allowing data centers in our communities, and we as Portlanders' representatives on the city councilors have an opportunity today to take a proactive step to build public trust by saying no decisions about you without you at least being aware of it.

2159
03:11:28.506 --> 03:11:29.695
<v Sameer Kanal>And ideally involved in it.

2160
03:11:30.129 --> 03:11:41.987
<v Sameer Kanal>By further signaling our intent in the resolution to institute a moratorium on data centers, we make it clear that decisions about these facilities should be evidence-based and rely on robust objective analyses of data centers' environmental and economic impacts.

2161
03:11:42.727 --> 03:11:54.199
<v Sameer Kanal>What we already know is that ravenous energy demands from data centers constrain water systems and energy grids, raise residents' utility bills, create 24/7 noise pollution, and pollute our air with emissions from diesel generators.

2162
03:11:55.113 --> 03:12:00.364
<v Sameer Kanal>They extract resources with no evidence of meaningful direct economic benefit for the community post-construction.

2163
03:12:00.815 --> 03:12:05.390
<v Sameer Kanal>These buildings can be over a million square feet and have fewer than 100 people working in them, as my colleague just noted.

2164
03:12:05.711 --> 03:12:10.352
<v Sameer Kanal>When we think about our goals under the Comp Plan, under the EOA, that's a terrible ratio.

2165
03:12:11.572 --> 03:12:13.933
<v Sameer Kanal>Data centers that enable AI don't create jobs.

2166
03:12:13.980 --> 03:12:15.876
<v Sameer Kanal>In fact, they were designed to help eliminate them.

2167
03:12:16.774 --> 03:12:19.697
<v Sameer Kanal>I'd also like to see us ultimately move towards an outright ban in Portland.

2168
03:12:20.000 --> 03:12:23.790
<v Sameer Kanal>I do not believe that data centers are inevitable, and I also don't believe that AI is inevitable.

2169
03:12:23.790 --> 03:12:28.170
<v Sameer Kanal>No matter what tech bros say, move fast and break things might be their ethos.

2170
03:12:28.170 --> 03:12:29.379
<v Sameer Kanal>It's not how you run a city.

2171
03:12:30.049 --> 03:12:43.709
<v Sameer Kanal>And when some of the very folks who've been creating and pushing this technology are warning that there's a 10% chance that AI could kill all humans within the next decade, and I do hope that, Councilor Novick, you're here for at least another decade, it's time to not only pump the brakes but to shut off the entire damn engine.

2172
03:12:43.930 --> 03:12:49.909
<v Sameer Kanal>And so we as a city get to decide how to use our land, and we have a responsibility to make sure it's for the greater good and well-being of all Portlanders and the environment.

2173
03:12:49.909 --> 03:12:49.950
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

2174
03:12:51.481 --> 03:12:52.494
<v Sameer Kanal>That we're all stewards of.

2175
03:12:53.087 --> 03:12:55.255
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm looking forward to this vote.

2176
03:12:55.737 --> 03:13:12.309
<v Sameer Kanal>I do want to take the opportunity to ask a question for the future, um, and ask, you know, do we offer— what the next steps beyond this— do we offer early assistance and preliminary meetings with data center applicants?

2177
03:13:13.386 --> 03:13:24.018
<v Sameer Kanal>And is that something that we should be looking at as a step that can be taken faster towards a ban, because we do know that when things get through early assistance, they are often effectively greenlit.

2178
03:13:25.110 --> 03:13:34.602
<v Sameer Kanal>I'd have to ask staff to come up to speak to if— what offers do we have as it relates to early incentives for any kind of development like this there in Rome?

2179
03:13:34.860 --> 03:13:43.565
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so this is before you file the official, uh, permit, you'd start talking to the permitting staff and ideally help shape the thing.

2180
03:13:44.222 --> 03:13:48.069
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, to get to, uh, to a yes eventually.

2181
03:13:48.250 --> 03:13:49.067
<v Sameer Kanal>Sorry, please come up.

2182
03:13:55.530 --> 03:13:57.138
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Hi there, Natalie Didion.

2183
03:13:57.202 --> 03:13:58.699
<v Melanie Cambron>I'm the building official for the city.

2184
03:13:59.600 --> 03:14:06.125
<v Melanie Cambron>Um, so early assistance is a normal application for any applicant to fill out.

2185
03:14:06.287 --> 03:14:20.943
<v Melanie Cambron>Um, they provide very simple information about their project, and it's about the siting of it and looking at the zoning requirements of that site, and then also the public infrastructure about what is going to be required.

2186
03:14:21.924 --> 03:14:24.685
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so that answers— oh, go ahead.

2187
03:14:24.959 --> 03:14:26.227
<v Sameer Kanal>It answers the first part of it.

2188
03:14:26.870 --> 03:14:31.575
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, there's an Oregonian article about a 5-story data center coming forward.

2189
03:14:31.622 --> 03:14:38.335
<v Sameer Kanal>My understanding is that they have early assistance in progress and also that— or soon to happen.

2190
03:14:38.689 --> 03:14:40.454
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll let you answer that because you know more than I do.

2191
03:14:40.600 --> 03:14:45.768
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, I know that they are scheduled for an early assistance meeting on October 7th.

2192
03:14:45.993 --> 03:14:48.367
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I don't think that means— so that meeting is scheduled.

2193
03:14:48.656 --> 03:14:48.816
<v Morgan Glenn>Okay.

2194
03:14:49.763 --> 03:14:49.987
<v Unidentified speaker>So—.

2195
03:14:50.549 --> 03:14:53.887
<v Melanie Cambron>Yeah, so it's not really getting assistance to get their project through.

2196
03:14:54.175 --> 03:14:59.841
<v Melanie Cambron>It's just a meeting to talk about the project that's available to any permit.

2197
03:15:00.674 --> 03:15:09.709
<v Sameer Kanal>I think this conversation would indicate, and I hope the eventual vote on it would indicate, that council would actually like to not do those either.

2198
03:15:09.790 --> 03:15:19.102
<v Sameer Kanal>There, um, and stop providing early assistance to data center applications altogether as another way of getting towards the eventual ban that we need to do.

2199
03:15:19.679 --> 03:15:22.260
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just wanted to, to get that on the record while I had the chance.

2200
03:15:22.308 --> 03:15:27.101
<v Sameer Kanal>This is something that I learned about after becoming, uh, co-sponsor and the news article and all of that.

2201
03:15:27.148 --> 03:15:37.953
<v Sameer Kanal>So, um, I don't know if there would be a need to have a council action, but, uh, CA Lee, if, if you, um, do determine that that would be something that would be helpful and/or necessary, I'd love to know for future.

2202
03:15:39.143 --> 03:15:40.332
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate Natalie.

2203
03:15:40.989 --> 03:15:41.648
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for being here also.

2204
03:15:41.712 --> 03:15:43.111
<v Sameer Kanal>I read your name in a lot of stuff, and so—.

2205
03:15:43.255 --> 03:15:43.754
<v Angelita Morillo>Oh, sure.

2206
03:15:43.834 --> 03:15:44.058
<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah.

2207
03:15:44.861 --> 03:15:46.180
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, thank you, Council President.

2208
03:15:46.468 --> 03:15:46.870
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2209
03:15:47.031 --> 03:15:47.690
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2210
03:15:47.898 --> 03:15:48.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

2211
03:15:49.665 --> 03:15:50.934
<v Eric Zimmerman>Uh, thank you, Mr. President.

2212
03:15:51.144 --> 03:15:54.935
<v Eric Zimmerman>I appreciated everybody's comments and also eager to support this today.

2213
03:15:55.048 --> 03:16:03.916
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think, you know, as I mentioned in my opening comments, the, the prospect— and frankly, I think the, the availability in downtown is very concerning for me.

2214
03:16:04.527 --> 03:16:14.833
<v Eric Zimmerman>I've also, you know, throughout my career, I've been a part of, of big projects and projects that have things like PLAs and community benefits agreements and things of that nature.

2215
03:16:14.897 --> 03:16:19.728
<v Eric Zimmerman>And none of that would have ever been achievable behind a closed door, right?

2216
03:16:19.808 --> 03:16:33.646
<v Eric Zimmerman>None of that ever would— our labor standards, our workforce initiatives, um, you know, the mitigation for any project going in near a big— near a neighborhood, or how you work out— never would have been achievable with an NDA and behind closed doors.

2217
03:16:33.837 --> 03:16:42.471
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I think this is just right on the mark and very similar to the, to the points and the values that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney was highlighting.

2218
03:16:42.584 --> 03:16:58.375
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that we can also highlight those, those types of things that while we don't have perfect language of stopping, we do also, as a resolution, one of our roles is to urge, right, to, to urge the, the city administrator to consider certain things as we go forward.

2219
03:16:58.423 --> 03:16:58.534
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2220
03:16:59.898 --> 03:17:11.032
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I want to just highlight that as I do move Zimmerman 1, because I think that Zimmerman 1 allows us to kind of call some of those things out that can't be achievable if we do that behind NDA doors.

2221
03:17:12.028 --> 03:17:19.536
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I would appreciate any consideration for that amendment to, I think, even strengthen this, because I think it's been a great, a great showing.

2222
03:17:19.808 --> 03:17:24.413
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think we can make sure that if anything ever does find its way here, we set the standard for like what we would expect.

2223
03:17:24.460 --> 03:17:24.573
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2224
03:17:24.846 --> 03:17:31.199
<v Eric Zimmerman>And how to mitigate all the things we can so that we, we aren't in a place of what we've seen going on in other communities.

2225
03:17:31.610 --> 03:17:31.851
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2226
03:17:33.156 --> 03:17:33.945
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I move Zimmerman 1.

2227
03:17:34.686 --> 03:17:35.105
<v Angelita Morillo>Second.

2228
03:17:35.331 --> 03:17:38.618
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman moves Zimmerman 1 and Councilor Clark seconds.

2229
03:17:40.737 --> 03:17:43.519
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, and this is— Zimmerman 1 is pre-filed, it's available online.

2230
03:17:45.070 --> 03:17:48.578
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, colleagues, to the amendment, discussion of the amendment.

2231
03:17:49.840 --> 03:17:50.308
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

2232
03:17:51.500 --> 03:17:52.671
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2233
03:17:52.846 --> 03:17:53.072
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

2234
03:17:53.391 --> 03:17:54.674
<v Mitch Green>Excuse me, long day.

2235
03:17:54.852 --> 03:17:55.718
<v Mitch Green>Thanks, Council President.

2236
03:17:55.878 --> 03:18:00.448
<v Mitch Green>Um, uh, thanks for pre-filing the amendment, Councilor Zimmerman, and motivating it.

2237
03:18:00.609 --> 03:18:06.701
<v Mitch Green>Um, I think, uh, it's nice to pre-file amendments and have an opportunity to read them.

2238
03:18:06.782 --> 03:18:09.108
<v Mitch Green>So just another plug for 3.02.

2239
03:18:09.829 --> 03:18:10.343
<v Mitch Green>Um, okay.

2240
03:18:11.352 --> 03:18:14.224
<v Mitch Green>Um, I like all the labor stuff you're doing in this.

2241
03:18:15.361 --> 03:18:27.693
<v Mitch Green>I, I think that we should be shouting, you know, registered state registered apprenticeship programs and PLAs from the rooftop every time we contemplate the city moving in relation to investment in our city.

2242
03:18:28.672 --> 03:18:37.075
<v Mitch Green>What I don't like though is it feels like it runs counter to the idea of doing a moratorium on these things.

2243
03:18:38.293 --> 03:18:47.707
<v Mitch Green>And I'm not sure that's necessarily your intent, but that's what I'm reading in it because it sort of talks about how it's— we can do these data centers, but we can do them responsibly.

2244
03:18:47.787 --> 03:18:47.867
<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

2245
03:18:48.236 --> 03:18:51.558
<v Mitch Green>And that's hard for me to get past.

2246
03:18:51.622 --> 03:18:58.058
<v Mitch Green>And, you know, I know there's been items before, amendments before where like, I like what you're selling, but I don't like how I'm buying it.

2247
03:18:58.122 --> 03:18:59.695
<v Mitch Green>And I think that's your terminology sometimes.

2248
03:18:59.808 --> 03:19:04.943
<v Mitch Green>But, and so if there was a way to pull that piece out, I could be open to it.

2249
03:19:05.009 --> 03:19:11.684
<v Mitch Green>But I think as it stands, I can't get over the kind of the last whereas clause in particular.

2250
03:19:12.407 --> 03:19:13.338
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Herbold.

2251
03:19:15.939 --> 03:19:18.122
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay, I appreciate that responding.

2252
03:19:18.171 --> 03:19:28.592
<v Eric Zimmerman>It was just a, as we've seen it come into other places, these communities where things happen before they know it is what I guess I was trying to address, which is we have a kind of a way of doing business.

2253
03:19:29.250 --> 03:19:33.152
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I hear that that wasn't the intent there.

2254
03:19:33.681 --> 03:19:34.404
<v Eric Zimmerman>I read it differently.

2255
03:19:34.484 --> 03:19:37.951
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I also recognize that I was not recognized, Council President, so I'll shut up.

2256
03:19:38.001 --> 03:19:38.674
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, you're welcome to respond.

2257
03:19:38.738 --> 03:19:39.284
<v Jamie Dunphy>It was a direct question.

2258
03:19:39.445 --> 03:19:40.104
<v Jamie Dunphy>It was a direct comment.

2259
03:19:42.149 --> 03:19:42.602
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

2260
03:19:42.650 --> 03:19:43.234
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2261
03:19:44.206 --> 03:19:45.582
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

2262
03:19:45.663 --> 03:19:48.836
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Green, that's— I appreciate you saying that.

2263
03:19:48.885 --> 03:19:49.694
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I had read it really differently.

2264
03:19:50.502 --> 03:19:59.665
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I had read, especially looking at that resolved at the end, this is a really important interim step.

2265
03:20:00.315 --> 03:20:16.091
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because the underline after the amendment that you and Councilor Koyama Lane proposed in committee, thank you for bringing that forward, We're directed to look at a ban or some sort of limiting conditions in the future, but we're not doing that yet.

2266
03:20:16.798 --> 03:20:32.806
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so I saw this as filling in the interim space where until we get a ban or limiting conditions in place, we're saying, hey, in the meantime, if anything does move forward, Yes.

2267
03:20:33.272 --> 03:20:35.920
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It darn well better be with some conditions attached to it.

2268
03:20:36.161 --> 03:20:38.969
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And let's start that part of the discussion here and now.

2269
03:20:39.933 --> 03:20:54.361
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's make sure that if some of these things are moving, we've seen in the press that there is a group that's interested, before we can have that conversation about a ban or a moratorium or limiting conditions, that we have, that we have some of those conditions in place.

2270
03:20:54.538 --> 03:20:58.679
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I saw this as kind of an important piece for this interim period.

2271
03:20:59.606 --> 03:21:07.423
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And, um, have planned to support it for that reason and, and hope that we can do something.

2272
03:21:07.600 --> 03:21:14.759
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I, I don't know what conversation the two of you are going to have, but that we can do something for the now while we wait to have the broader conversation.

2273
03:21:16.593 --> 03:21:17.718
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2274
03:21:18.217 --> 03:21:20.033
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I put myself in the queue.

2275
03:21:20.113 --> 03:21:24.854
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman, I appreciate where you are going with this, but, uh, it does feel unrelated to me.

2276
03:21:25.095 --> 03:21:28.768
<v Jamie Dunphy>It feels a different answer to a different question.

2277
03:21:29.120 --> 03:21:44.195
<v Jamie Dunphy>I feel like the resolution before us is saying the City Council and the City of Portland have concerns about data centers and that in the absence of our ability to take decisive action about them, we are defaulting to a process of transparency, accountability, and public disclosure.

2278
03:21:45.638 --> 03:21:50.707
<v Jamie Dunphy>I feel like your amendment then says, but if we are going to build them, they should be done this way.

2279
03:21:50.754 --> 03:21:50.834
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

2280
03:21:51.092 --> 03:21:58.961
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I do think that we should, as a body, have an opportunity to say, if data centers are going to exist in our city, they should exist in this way.

2281
03:21:59.748 --> 03:22:08.647
<v Jamie Dunphy>I feel like the core of what we're trying to accomplish, this is specifically saying that we care about the transparency on the front side, and this feels like a backside argument.

2282
03:22:08.695 --> 03:22:16.261
<v Jamie Dunphy>So for that reason, I would vote no on the amendment, but I would be interested in potentially bringing forward another legislative action similar to this.

2283
03:22:16.308 --> 03:22:16.630
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2284
03:22:16.935 --> 03:22:17.209
<v Jamie Dunphy>To that.

2285
03:22:17.451 --> 03:22:22.379
<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, is there any further comment on Zimmerman 1?

2286
03:22:25.100 --> 03:22:28.315
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, no one else in the queue, Keelan, could we please call the roll on Zimmerman 1?

2287
03:22:29.391 --> 03:22:31.497
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Zimmerman, seconded by Clark.

2288
03:22:31.707 --> 03:22:32.204
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyamaline?

2289
03:22:32.993 --> 03:22:33.250
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>No.

2290
03:22:33.668 --> 03:22:34.123
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

2291
03:22:34.546 --> 03:22:34.772
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

2292
03:22:35.275 --> 03:22:35.763
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

2293
03:22:36.005 --> 03:22:36.655
<v Steve Novick>Regretfully, no.

2294
03:22:37.611 --> 03:22:37.936
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

2295
03:22:38.342 --> 03:22:38.471
<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

2296
03:22:39.413 --> 03:22:39.623
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

2297
03:22:40.629 --> 03:22:40.711
<v Mitch Green>No.

2298
03:22:41.424 --> 03:22:41.815
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

2299
03:22:42.237 --> 03:22:42.370
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yes.

2300
03:22:42.977 --> 03:22:43.372
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

2301
03:22:44.363 --> 03:22:44.460
<v Candace Avalos>No.

2302
03:22:44.541 --> 03:22:44.897
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

2303
03:22:52.665 --> 03:22:53.131
<v Loretta Smith>Absent.

2304
03:22:55.981 --> 03:22:56.127
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

2305
03:22:57.351 --> 03:22:57.801
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

2306
03:22:58.316 --> 03:23:00.137
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I really want those interim conditions, guys.

2307
03:23:00.314 --> 03:23:00.539
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

2308
03:23:00.813 --> 03:23:02.858
<v Keelan McClymont>Yes.

2309
03:23:04.033 --> 03:23:04.113
<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

2310
03:23:04.742 --> 03:23:10.702
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, the amendment fails with a vote of 4 ayes, 7 nays, and 1 absent.

2311
03:23:11.501 --> 03:23:16.735
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, let's see, colleagues, is there any further discussion of the underlying resolution?

2312
03:23:24.639 --> 03:23:24.994
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

2313
03:23:25.540 --> 03:23:25.590
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

2314
03:23:26.298 --> 03:23:26.828
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

2315
03:23:27.086 --> 03:23:27.200
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

2316
03:23:27.650 --> 03:23:28.052
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

2317
03:23:28.681 --> 03:23:28.728
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2318
03:23:29.486 --> 03:23:29.824
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

2319
03:23:30.049 --> 03:23:30.113
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2320
03:23:30.629 --> 03:23:30.918
<v Keelan McClymont>Green.

2321
03:23:31.820 --> 03:23:31.981
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

2322
03:23:32.626 --> 03:23:33.012
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

2323
03:23:33.270 --> 03:23:33.447
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

2324
03:23:34.156 --> 03:23:34.387
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

2325
03:23:34.568 --> 03:23:34.667
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2326
03:23:35.014 --> 03:23:35.296
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

2327
03:23:36.309 --> 03:23:37.272
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Mitchell.

2328
03:23:37.609 --> 03:23:37.625
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2329
03:23:38.346 --> 03:23:38.522
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

2330
03:23:39.132 --> 03:23:39.181
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

2331
03:23:40.094 --> 03:23:40.144
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

2332
03:23:40.656 --> 03:23:40.704
<v Luis Leon>Aye.

2333
03:23:41.058 --> 03:23:41.074
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2334
03:23:41.395 --> 03:23:41.570
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

2335
03:23:42.422 --> 03:23:42.549
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2336
03:23:43.399 --> 03:23:48.212
<v Keelan McClymont>The resolution is adopted with 11 ayes and 1 absent.

2337
03:23:48.292 --> 03:23:53.924
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, before we adjourn today, I motion to reconsider the vote on Document 2026-263.

2338
03:23:54.004 --> 03:24:02.779
<v Jamie Dunphy>As I said earlier, I feel that there is still room for this item to move forward if there is reasonable effort to be made to find an enforcement and disclosure provision as a condition of approval.

2339
03:24:03.530 --> 03:24:06.014
<v Jamie Dunphy>That the parties and city attorney find acceptable.

2340
03:24:06.289 --> 03:24:15.667
<v Jamie Dunphy>I would therefore move that we reconsider this item and that the appropriate work be done to amend this transfer agreement, a condition be adopted, and we move it then swiftly to a vote.

2341
03:24:15.733 --> 03:24:18.204
<v Jamie Dunphy>May I have a second vote— a second for reconsideration?

2342
03:24:18.269 --> 03:24:18.462
<v Olivia Clark>Second.

2343
03:24:18.559 --> 03:24:21.066
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Clark— Vice President Clark.

2344
03:24:22.424 --> 03:24:23.943
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is a debatable motion.

2345
03:24:26.459 --> 03:24:27.692
<v Jamie Dunphy>To the queue, Councilor Knoll.

2346
03:24:29.000 --> 03:24:30.637
<v Sameer Kanal>Just a question, Council President.

2347
03:24:30.894 --> 03:24:37.895
<v Sameer Kanal>Should this be adopted— and I might have other questions later— should this be adopted, we would go immediately into the document?

2348
03:24:38.120 --> 03:24:38.472
<v Sameer Kanal>Correct.

2349
03:24:38.762 --> 03:24:53.502
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we have approved an ordinance, uh, Ordinance 192094, on, um, September 3rd, 2025, that says that we cannot enter new items after 9:00 PM in a council evening meeting.

2350
03:25:00.626 --> 03:25:09.539
<v Sameer Kanal>It says council will complete consideration of the current items and then will continue to any consider— to consideration of any remaining emergency ordinances, 9/12 items, or adjournment.

2351
03:25:09.636 --> 03:25:10.072
<v Sameer Kanal>It does—.

2352
03:25:10.265 --> 03:25:14.599
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I should note council may also suspend the rules to continue the meeting for other items.

2353
03:25:15.051 --> 03:25:17.403
<v Sameer Kanal>So we could do that, but I believe it would require 9 votes.

2354
03:25:20.592 --> 03:25:21.513
<v Jamie Dunphy>City Attorney available?

2355
03:25:21.853 --> 03:25:25.685
<v Jamie Dunphy>I, I'd just like somebody smarter than me to say that that's right.

2356
03:25:40.128 --> 03:25:42.532
<v Robert Taylor>Hi, uh, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

2357
03:25:42.726 --> 03:25:43.936
<v Robert Taylor>That, uh, that is correct.

2358
03:25:44.018 --> 03:26:00.013
<v Robert Taylor>There is that ordinance that says, uh, If we start at 6 or later, we're going to end at 9, and if we go past 9, then we can't take up any new items except emergency ordinances and, and others that are listed.

2359
03:26:00.912 --> 03:26:14.336
<v Robert Taylor>So here again, I think this is an issue for the— a ruling that the council president can make, and you could decide that the motion to reconsider is in order even though it's after 9 o'clock.

2360
03:26:14.400 --> 03:26:14.465
<v Robert Taylor>Yes.

2361
03:26:15.156 --> 03:26:29.804
<v Robert Taylor>Once the motion to recon— if the motion to reconsider carries, then under this ordinance that Councilor Kanal cited, we could not enter— we could not go into the discussion on that new item.

2362
03:26:30.076 --> 03:26:34.681
<v Robert Taylor>That new item would have to get carried over to a following week.

2363
03:26:34.779 --> 03:26:37.238
<v Robert Taylor>So that's a decision you could make as the chair.

2364
03:26:40.966 --> 03:26:41.662
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mr. Taylor.

2365
03:26:46.792 --> 03:26:48.574
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're still in debate?

2366
03:26:48.816 --> 03:26:56.950
<v Sameer Kanal>So just to clarify, that means that, that we could still do the motion to reconsider if the chair rules that that's okay, but that we would not be able to debate it?

2367
03:26:57.063 --> 03:27:00.295
<v Sameer Kanal>We would have to leave the item and go to— we'd have to end for the day?

2368
03:27:01.085 --> 03:27:09.346
<v Robert Taylor>I, I think that type of ruling by the chair would be a way to accommodate both the The motion and the rule— and the ruling.

2369
03:27:09.523 --> 03:27:11.129
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, well, that is what the chair is going to do.

2370
03:27:11.627 --> 03:27:12.029
<v Steph Ralph>What?

2371
03:27:12.831 --> 03:27:13.281
<v Emily Waldron>I have that.

2372
03:27:13.715 --> 03:27:14.549
<v Jamie Dunphy>I know, I'm sorry.

2373
03:27:16.027 --> 03:27:22.433
<v Jamie Dunphy>I am, uh, ruling that the motion to, uh, reconsider is in order.

2374
03:27:23.172 --> 03:27:23.219
<v Loretta Smith>And—.

2375
03:27:23.219 --> 03:27:25.050
<v Angelita Morillo>Can I ask one clarifying question, please?

2376
03:27:25.114 --> 03:27:25.852
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, Councilor Morillo.

2377
03:27:26.222 --> 03:27:26.398
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

2378
03:27:27.843 --> 03:27:35.299
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, Robert, City Attorney, um, tried and true Valiant warrior of the people up there with your legal knowledge.

2379
03:27:36.123 --> 03:27:44.325
<v Angelita Morillo>If we were to pass an amendment tonight, um, would we need 7 votes, or would we— is it the majority of the people sitting up here?

2380
03:27:47.188 --> 03:27:47.479
<v Candace Avalos>It's—.

2381
03:27:47.771 --> 03:27:51.938
<v Robert Taylor>You, under the rules to amend an ordinance, you need 7 affirmative votes.

2382
03:27:52.924 --> 03:27:53.102
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay.

2383
03:27:54.525 --> 03:28:11.184
<v Robert Taylor>But to the issue we just talked about, if you— if because we're after 9 o'clock, we can't go into new items, So you can reconsider the ordinance that failed, bring it back to life, but then you're prohibited from actually taking action on it tonight.

2384
03:28:11.344 --> 03:28:12.468
<v Robert Taylor>You would need to carry it over.

2385
03:28:13.431 --> 03:28:13.736
<v Unidentified speaker>That—.

2386
03:28:13.993 --> 03:28:14.378
<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah.

2387
03:28:14.426 --> 03:28:14.666
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

2388
03:28:15.533 --> 03:28:15.790
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2389
03:28:16.014 --> 03:28:17.027
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is what I am too.

2390
03:28:17.138 --> 03:28:17.476
<v Angelita Morillo>I am—.

2391
03:28:18.005 --> 03:28:22.564
<v Jamie Dunphy>The chair is ruling that the motion to reconsider an item we've already heard is not considered new business.

2392
03:28:23.397 --> 03:28:25.532
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I'd like to move forward.

2393
03:28:25.725 --> 03:28:32.356
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Clark has already more thoughts, Councilor Moreno?

2394
03:28:34.233 --> 03:28:34.411
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

2395
03:28:34.896 --> 03:28:37.692
<v Angelita Morillo>I mean, so you're closing the item tonight, is that—.

2396
03:28:40.212 --> 03:28:49.441
<v Jamie Dunphy>I am going to— I would like to vote on the motion to reconsider, and then I will be, uh, I'll— I mean, I will be blatant with all of my colleagues right now.

2397
03:28:49.828 --> 03:28:51.993
<v Jamie Dunphy>My intention is to vote on the motion to reconsider.

2398
03:28:52.429 --> 03:28:59.007
<v Jamie Dunphy>I will then, uh, immediately I'm going to say that I say that this item is continued to a future meeting, and I'm going to bang that gavel.

2399
03:29:05.754 --> 03:29:10.997
<v Jamie Dunphy>So further discussion of the— Councilor Knoll.

2400
03:29:12.971 --> 03:29:22.721
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, I just— because I think this is a good opportunity to clarify intent, and I appreciate you clarifying your intent For this immediate moment.

2401
03:29:24.377 --> 03:29:25.582
<v Sameer Kanal>What's the intent beyond that?

2402
03:29:25.838 --> 03:29:27.766
<v Sameer Kanal>So this hypothetically gets reconsidered.

2403
03:29:27.815 --> 03:29:37.888
<v Sameer Kanal>Should it— should this motion pass, we end the meeting and then we move to a future meeting, ostensibly one of the next few.

2404
03:29:38.596 --> 03:29:39.916
<v Sameer Kanal>And then what?

2405
03:29:39.965 --> 03:29:44.876
<v Sameer Kanal>We just do the vote again, or is there a plan to do anything differently on the content of this thing?

2406
03:29:45.215 --> 03:29:52.970
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is my hope, and I will be personally trying to work with the administration who put me in a position that there is an opportunity for some further work on this.

2407
03:29:53.870 --> 03:30:02.143
<v Sameer Kanal>And I recognize, and I know that it may seem a little hollow because you're still living it, but I do recognize it's a tough spot for you as the president in this moment.

2408
03:30:02.658 --> 03:30:07.381
<v Sameer Kanal>So I wanna acknowledge that, 'cause I can only imagine what you've been hearing.

2409
03:30:08.466 --> 03:30:25.013
<v Sameer Kanal>But I also would like to know how, I, I would like to hear before I take a vote on this an inclination from anybody who voted no on Councilor Murillo and Green's amendment that there is anything that you'd be willing to do to change this ordinance.

2410
03:30:25.334 --> 03:30:31.066
<v Sameer Kanal>That, that would make me more willing to vote yes on reconsideration, and I would like to know what that specifically would be.

2411
03:30:31.755 --> 03:30:34.020
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I think this is the best time to have that conversation.

2412
03:30:34.646 --> 03:30:34.823
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

2413
03:30:35.368 --> 03:30:36.235
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2414
03:30:37.695 --> 03:30:40.200
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we are again debating the motion to reconsider.

2415
03:30:41.172 --> 03:30:41.995
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

2416
03:30:42.059 --> 03:30:42.479
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll note—.

2417
03:30:42.868 --> 03:30:43.272
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Gallo.

2418
03:30:43.836 --> 03:30:47.390
<v Sameer Kanal>It does allow the merits of the thing being reconsidered to be discussed.

2419
03:30:47.471 --> 03:30:47.876
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, absolutely.

2420
03:30:48.037 --> 03:30:50.799
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, I'm just restating it for the purposes of the—.

2421
03:30:51.087 --> 03:30:51.329
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

2422
03:30:51.506 --> 03:30:51.683
<v Eric Zimmerman>Body.

2423
03:30:51.811 --> 03:30:53.084
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, you didn't do anything wrong.

2424
03:30:53.599 --> 03:30:54.209
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

2425
03:30:57.363 --> 03:30:59.279
<v Candace Avalos>All right, so I'm hearing the intent.

2426
03:31:01.665 --> 03:31:07.944
<v Candace Avalos>And when you say that you'll bang the gavel after, It's continued on.

2427
03:31:08.040 --> 03:31:13.061
<v Candace Avalos>So does it just go automatically to the next meeting that would be next Wednesday, or you have to reschedule?

2428
03:31:13.126 --> 03:31:14.153
<v Jamie Dunphy>I will have to reschedule it.

2429
03:31:14.377 --> 03:31:20.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>I will have to find the next available one, and there is no time currently available unless we move things around on the next— immediately next Wednesday.

2430
03:31:20.712 --> 03:31:24.547
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's possible on the Thursday, but I have to work with my team and the clerk to figure that out.

2431
03:31:25.701 --> 03:31:25.861
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

2432
03:31:26.584 --> 03:31:27.113
<v Candace Avalos>I think that's all.

2433
03:31:27.306 --> 03:31:27.547
<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks.

2434
03:31:27.787 --> 03:31:28.108
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2435
03:31:29.070 --> 03:31:31.396
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

2436
03:31:31.620 --> 03:31:31.974
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2437
03:31:32.503 --> 03:31:50.976
<v Angelita Morillo>On the motion to reconsider, I agree with Councilor Kanal that I would like to hear some of my colleagues feedback on, basically, we can keep doing a Groundhog Day where we have the same discussion over and over again and it ends up in the same result because we know that the mayor is waiting for it to be the tiebreaker vote and we know what his position is.

2438
03:31:51.650 --> 03:32:00.359
<v Angelita Morillo>But I would love to hear what my colleagues are willing to do or to change about the franchise transfer so that we can actually have a different result this time around.

2439
03:32:01.170 --> 03:32:24.254
<v Angelita Morillo>And I guess I'm sort of pleading with my colleagues because while it is very funny that Councilor Novick said he was progressive in the '80s and made jokes about his own age and stuff, the joke of the fact that some of the older people up here are not going to deal with the impacts of climate change the way that my generation is, is also actually very real.

2440
03:32:25.902 --> 03:32:36.337
<v Angelita Morillo>And there are people my age who are choosing not to have families and not have children because we don't know what type of world we're gonna leave them with.

2441
03:32:37.156 --> 03:33:04.858
<v Angelita Morillo>And I say that because I feel like the same existential threat that many of us feel about AI and data centers and the poisoning of our water is the same existential threat that a lot of Portlanders feel about the Zenith oil train or I Squared's oil train or whoever's oil train it is in the future, what it could potentially do without an ability for the public to actually do enforcement on it.

2442
03:33:05.403 --> 03:33:09.200
<v Angelita Morillo>So I don't say that to put people in a difficult position.

2443
03:33:09.313 --> 03:33:23.942
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm sort of earnestly pleading as the youngest person on this council for you to consider the impacts on my generation and what's going to happen to us if we don't take some of these steps today when we have the opportunity to make things different.

2444
03:33:23.990 --> 03:33:24.215
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2445
03:33:24.631 --> 03:33:35.128
<v Angelita Morillo>So I think the vote to reconsider for me is one of, are my colleagues willing to move on any of this so that we can have stronger enforcement for the public?

2446
03:33:36.010 --> 03:33:41.793
<v Angelita Morillo>That's sort of what I'm asking for, and I'd love to hear folks, and I'm saying this in earnest, this is not a trap.

2447
03:33:42.434 --> 03:33:50.094
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm just really trying to figure out what we can do together to make this a little bit stronger so that the public and we can feel comfortable all moving this forward.

2448
03:33:50.143 --> 03:33:50.238
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2449
03:33:50.415 --> 03:33:50.754
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2450
03:33:51.061 --> 03:33:51.933
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2451
03:33:52.433 --> 03:34:01.459
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I would let— uh, just noting that I— it is 9:30 currently, and, uh, I did tell our staff we would be out of here hopefully by 9:30.

2452
03:34:01.506 --> 03:34:06.456
<v Jamie Dunphy>So let's— uh, this is a good conversation to be had, but I just would like to note that.

2453
03:34:06.990 --> 03:34:07.620
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2454
03:34:10.003 --> 03:34:11.065
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

2455
03:34:11.595 --> 03:34:21.768
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's a little bit difficult to be asked what specifically We could support when we don't have proposals before us.

2456
03:34:22.620 --> 03:34:29.831
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We've had our attorneys tell us that there are some limitations, significant limitations to what you can do on a franchise transfer.

2457
03:34:30.593 --> 03:34:33.337
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think we need to operate within those limitations.

2458
03:34:35.073 --> 03:34:40.195
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's hard to avoid a Groundhog Day when there are folks who don't want to operate within those limitations.

2459
03:34:40.261 --> 03:34:53.175
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I think that we should all always be willing to have conversations about what policy can look like to make sure that we can get a majority vote on things that are the business of the council.

2460
03:34:53.240 --> 03:34:59.397
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I hope that everybody is willing to have that conversation over the next week.

2461
03:35:02.760 --> 03:35:04.043
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2462
03:35:04.564 --> 03:35:05.213
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

2463
03:35:05.604 --> 03:35:06.385
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Councilor President.

2464
03:35:06.433 --> 03:35:08.757
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Just really briefly, I appreciate your comments.

2465
03:35:09.513 --> 03:35:13.859
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>As the oldest member of the council, I think I'm already experiencing climate change.

2466
03:35:13.923 --> 03:35:15.527
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm already experiencing those things.

2467
03:35:15.847 --> 03:35:17.500
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We don't have to wait any longer.

2468
03:35:18.333 --> 03:35:27.201
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I would just say that, sure, I'm open to looking at things, but as Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just mentioned, there are certain sideboards to this, and I think we have to respect that.

2469
03:35:27.635 --> 03:35:32.317
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I'm always open to learning more, and I'll just leave it at that.

2470
03:35:32.992 --> 03:35:33.889
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

2471
03:35:33.969 --> 03:35:34.514
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

2472
03:35:36.134 --> 03:35:46.638
<v Steve Novick>I just have to say that I find Councilor Morillo's assertion that anyone who disagrees with her on an issue relating to which company has a franchise agreement means that they don't care about climate change.

2473
03:35:48.600 --> 03:35:49.434
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2474
03:35:49.756 --> 03:35:51.138
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

2475
03:35:51.540 --> 03:36:06.513
<v Sameer Kanal>So, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just say it's hard because We're trying to be responsible here, and when I say we, I do mean all of us who are here.

2476
03:36:07.990 --> 03:36:13.881
<v Sameer Kanal>And also, we have a resolved issue, maybe not to everyone's liking how it was resolved.

2477
03:36:13.931 --> 03:36:21.412
<v Sameer Kanal>There was a vote, and we're talking about reopening it, and it's— if it's going to be reopened just to change the outcome of the vote, that's not a good reason.

2478
03:36:21.733 --> 03:36:27.030
<v Sameer Kanal>And in fact, if you go into Robert's Rules, it actually says that's not a good reason unless someone's actually changing their mind.

2479
03:36:27.111 --> 03:36:33.413
<v Sameer Kanal>It's But if there's a reason to change it in terms of amending the document, that makes sense.

2480
03:36:33.639 --> 03:36:34.675
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate that.

2481
03:36:34.934 --> 03:36:37.832
<v Sameer Kanal>The problem is we have no way of knowing that for obvious reasons.

2482
03:36:38.284 --> 03:36:46.843
<v Sameer Kanal>So I think in order to give my colleagues time to determine what it is that we could change, I would move to postpone the vote on reconsidering until next week.

2483
03:36:49.920 --> 03:36:51.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>How does that work?

2484
03:36:51.093 --> 03:36:52.852
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Point of information, Council President.

2485
03:36:52.902 --> 03:36:54.254
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think we're in the middle of debate.

2486
03:36:54.430 --> 03:36:56.456
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>To a motion that you made?

2487
03:36:56.877 --> 03:36:59.049
<v Robert Taylor>It's a great, uh, great question.

2488
03:36:59.389 --> 03:37:02.823
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, so the— there is a pending motion to reconsider.

2489
03:37:04.483 --> 03:37:14.334
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, that pending motion to reconsider itself is subject to a subsidiary motion to postpone to a date certain.

2490
03:37:15.700 --> 03:37:23.810
<v Robert Taylor>So you could vote to postpone the pending motion to reconsider until next week.

2491
03:37:24.852 --> 03:37:28.700
<v Sameer Kanal>So I would move to do that, to postpone.

2492
03:37:29.004 --> 03:37:36.218
<v Sameer Kanal>I would move the subsidiary motion to postpone the vote on the main motion to reconsider until next week.

2493
03:37:36.459 --> 03:37:40.113
<v Sameer Kanal>And if you need more specific than next week, I'm happy to provide that at a time of your choice.

2494
03:37:40.290 --> 03:37:44.649
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, by saying next week, we will go ahead and accommodate that if that is the will of the council.

2495
03:37:45.050 --> 03:37:45.323
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

2496
03:37:45.370 --> 03:37:45.675
<v Loretta Smith>Second.

2497
03:37:46.253 --> 03:37:51.575
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Kanal has made a subsidiary motion to postpone.

2498
03:37:52.231 --> 03:37:53.818
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's 9:30, y'all, I'm sorry.

2499
03:37:54.252 --> 03:37:59.861
<v Jamie Dunphy>Postpone the vote on the motion to reconsider to next week, and Councilor Avalos has seconded.

2500
03:37:59.941 --> 03:38:00.662
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that right?

2501
03:38:00.742 --> 03:38:02.120
<v Jamie Dunphy>Did I get that mostly correct?

2502
03:38:02.745 --> 03:38:03.226
<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

2503
03:38:03.386 --> 03:38:03.707
<v Robert Taylor>Yes.

2504
03:38:03.962 --> 03:38:04.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

2505
03:38:04.332 --> 03:38:05.518
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is this a debatable motion?

2506
03:38:06.415 --> 03:38:13.690
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, the, the— it is debatable as to the, the time to which you are postponing.

2507
03:38:13.947 --> 03:38:14.379
<v Jamie Dunphy>There we go.

2508
03:38:14.459 --> 03:38:14.683
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

2509
03:38:16.110 --> 03:38:16.367
<v Michaela McCormick>Okay.

2510
03:38:17.311 --> 03:38:19.346
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman, to the— okay.

2511
03:38:20.085 --> 03:38:28.587
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there further discussion of Councilor Kanal's amendment or motion to postpone the vote on the motion to reconsider?

2512
03:38:29.260 --> 03:38:29.822
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

2513
03:38:31.460 --> 03:38:51.253
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I, I think that it's clear there are some concerns that people have about moving this forward right now due to everything we've already discussed, and so I think it's the most responsible thing to postpone So that we can give all the councilors whatever comforts they need to make that decision.

2514
03:38:51.941 --> 03:39:08.925
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think it is— I would urge my colleagues to support this motion because I also agree that I'm not at this point interested in voting to reconsider something that I have not seen any material change in people's opinions.

2515
03:39:09.808 --> 03:39:14.647
<v Candace Avalos>And so I would love to be able to make that Judgment call with more information.

2516
03:39:14.856 --> 03:39:18.816
<v Candace Avalos>It's impossible for me to do that now, so I would not vote to reconsider it today.

2517
03:39:19.329 --> 03:39:20.726
<v Candace Avalos>I'd be open to it in the future.

2518
03:39:20.870 --> 03:39:26.915
<v Candace Avalos>And so if that's what people want, then I would recommend we vote for this to postpone it so that we can make that possible next time.

2519
03:39:27.027 --> 03:39:28.854
<v Candace Avalos>Otherwise, I'm just going to be a no on reconsidering.

2520
03:39:29.272 --> 03:39:29.416
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

2521
03:39:29.769 --> 03:39:30.619
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

2522
03:39:30.715 --> 03:39:31.277
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

2523
03:39:32.639 --> 03:39:33.713
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, and yeah, go ahead.

2524
03:39:33.842 --> 03:39:34.949
<v Jamie Dunphy>Just, just do it.

2525
03:39:35.125 --> 03:39:35.734
<v Benjamin Gilbert>Yeah, you're good.

2526
03:39:35.781 --> 03:39:36.119
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2527
03:39:36.487 --> 03:39:43.350
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, yeah, I appreciate that approach so that we have some time to I'm also just going to lay a boundary here right now.

2528
03:39:44.199 --> 03:39:50.738
<v Angelita Morillo>Earlier, I think I spoke very calmly, nicely, and sort of made a plea for my generation about my experiences.

2529
03:39:51.252 --> 03:39:55.338
<v Angelita Morillo>And then another colleague reinterpreted my comments in a different way that was very negative.

2530
03:39:56.125 --> 03:39:59.121
<v Angelita Morillo>And again, having questions about my intentions and behavior.

2531
03:39:59.185 --> 03:40:03.771
<v Angelita Morillo>And I'm sort of done with that happening repeatedly to me and being chastised on council.

2532
03:40:03.851 --> 03:40:06.656
<v Angelita Morillo>So you can take my words at face value.

2533
03:40:06.736 --> 03:40:07.408
<v Angelita Morillo>There's really no subtlety to them.

2534
03:40:08.182 --> 03:40:16.150
<v Steve Novick>There is no other way to interpret Councilor Rio's words the way I interpreted them.

2535
03:40:16.538 --> 03:40:18.327
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and call a vote.

2536
03:40:18.474 --> 03:40:28.989
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the vote on Councilor Kanal's motion to delay the vote on the motion to reconsideration to next week or something?

2537
03:40:30.417 --> 03:40:32.316
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Kanal, seconded by Avalos.

2538
03:40:32.738 --> 03:40:32.835
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2539
03:40:32.900 --> 03:40:32.916
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

2540
03:40:32.998 --> 03:40:33.014
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2541
03:40:35.843 --> 03:40:35.895
<v Emily Waldron>Aye.

2542
03:40:36.521 --> 03:40:36.959
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

2543
03:40:38.595 --> 03:40:38.611
<v Emily Waldron>Aye.

2544
03:40:39.001 --> 03:40:39.245
<v Loretta Smith>No.

2545
03:40:41.679 --> 03:40:41.727
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2546
03:40:44.352 --> 03:40:44.399
<v Jamie Bradley Kissel>Aye.

2547
03:40:48.400 --> 03:40:57.341
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's pretty clear to me this is the only way that we're going to be able to have this conversation, so aye.

2548
03:40:58.122 --> 03:40:58.219
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

2549
03:40:59.602 --> 03:40:59.970
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

2550
03:41:00.548 --> 03:41:00.595
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

2551
03:41:01.510 --> 03:41:05.709
<v Keelan McClymont>The motion carries with 8 ayes and 4 nays.

2552
03:41:05.774 --> 03:41:09.076
<v Jamie Dunphy>The vote on the reconsideration will be moved to next week.

2553
03:41:09.220 --> 03:41:09.990
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are adjourned.

2554
03:41:10.647 --> 03:41:11.161
<v Jamie Dunphy>Am I right?

2555
03:41:11.240 --> 03:41:13.356
<v Jamie Dunphy>Am I, am I good?

2556
03:41:13.486 --> 03:41:14.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>Am I good, everybody?

2557
03:41:14.447 --> 03:41:15.153
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, we're adjourned.

2558
03:41:15.713 --> 03:41:17.189
<v Sameer Kanal>Fuck yeah.