{ "meetingId": "2026-09-15-hpc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Housing & Permitting Committee 09/15/26", "date": "2026-09-15T14:00:00-07:00", "duration": 120, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW-2AnkF1hY", "videoId": "bW-2AnkF1hY", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/housing-and-permitting-committee/2026/9/15", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Housing and Permitting community feedback", "type": "Public hearing", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/public-hearing/placed-file/2026-321" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Informational briefing on Mandatory Relocation Assistance", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/informational-briefing-mandatory-relocation-assistance" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Renter feedback forum", "type": "Public hearing", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/public-hearing/placed-file/2026-323" } ], "summary": "**Portland's Housing and Permitting Committee took no action at its September 15 meeting, using two hours to examine the city's decade-old mandatory relocation assistance policy and to hear renters and landlords debate whether the payment that renters get when a rent hike forces them out should be triggered at a 5% increase rather than the current 10%.** The committee, chaired by Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1), placed all three agenda items on file.\n\n## What the relocation policy does, and why fewer people use it\n\nThe Portland Housing Bureau briefed the committee on the Mandatory Relocation Assistance policy, known as RELO, which requires landlords to pay a departing tenant when a landlord's decision — a no-cause termination or a rent increase of 10% or more — forces a move. Interim Director Light and Policy and Planning Director Josh Roper walked through a policy adopted by emergency ordinance in 2017 and made permanent in 2018, with 5 triggering events and 12 exemptions. The current payments — **$2,900 for a studio, $3,300 for a one-bedroom, $4,200 for a two-bedroom, and $4,500 for three or more bedrooms** — have not changed since 2017 ([00:22:00](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:22:00)).\n\nRoper said relocation notices tied to rent increases fell from **27 in fiscal 2022-23 to 4 in fiscal 2024-25** ([00:26:15](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:26:15)), which staff attributed largely to state law — Senate Bill 611 in 2023 capped covered increases at the lower of 10% or 7% plus inflation — and softening rents. Asked by Avalos whether fewer people were being displaced or the policy was simply reaching fewer of them, Roper said staff could not be certain ([00:49:22](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:49:22)). If the payment amounts were revised, he said, \"I would expect it to go up based on the numbers\" ([00:51:43](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:51:43)). The bureau reported **728 help desk contacts about RELO in fiscal 2026**, and noted it does not track what happens to tenants after they receive assistance.\n\nVice Chair Mitch Green (District 4) pressed on the state cap, saying it functions as roughly 10% because inflation is never zero — \"this year it's ... 7.9%\" — and that at that rate \"rents double in 7 years\" under the rule of 72 ([00:40:18](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:40:18)). Green also questioned whether the bureau's hired consultant would understand tenants; Roper named the firm as **Stout**, citing its right-to-counsel experience ([00:39:23](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:39:23)). Staff clarified the broader review covers all landlord-tenant policies, including FAIR and the North/Northeast preference policy, not RELO alone ([01:07:29](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:07:29)); the request for proposals went out last December and the contract is being finalized this month. Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) noted that 15-20% rent increases were once routine and that no-cause evictions remain the largest source of relocation payments ([00:59:30](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:59:30)).\n\n## Renters, a landlord, and a councilor testify\n\nEleven people registered and two walked in for the renter forum. The dominant proposal came from Jamie Evenstar, a District 4 council candidate who described herself as author of Portland's tenant protections, including FAIR and RELO. Evenstar urged lowering the RELO trigger from 10% to 5%, saying \"10% ... has always been too high\" and that her 2017 analysis showed anything above 5-7% pushes the average renter into severe rent burden ([01:28:14](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:28:14)). She said the city defended RELO \"all the way to the Oregon Supreme Court\" and named city attorney Denis Valliere.\n\nBen Gilbert, a Portland DSA volunteer lobbyist and District 4 renter, cited Oregon's **$7 million antitrust settlement with Greystar** over RealPage price-fixing and thanked Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) for an AI rental price-fixing ban co-sponsored by Green and Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) \"which passed with 8 councilors in support,\" adding that \"over 50% of renters in Portland are cost burdened\" ([01:32:07](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:32:07)). Heather Heatley, a medical practitioner, backed the lower trigger, calling moving \"one of the top 10 stressors\" ([01:31:03](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:31:03)).\n\nThe counterpoint came from Mariah Hudson, a small landlord with a single rental, who asked the committee to finish its policy review before changing the threshold. She said her fixed costs rose 4.3% last year and she spent $6,700 on HVAC repairs, and that a 5% threshold leaves \"little flexibility\" ([01:40:58](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:40:58)). Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2), testifying as one of \"the 47% of the city ... who is a renter,\" said his own rent has risen \"below 5%\" most years, so a 5% trigger \"would not actually ... change their behavior\" for most landlords — the change would reach only those raising rents higher ([01:43:58](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:43:58)). He emphasized inspections as the complaint he hears most.\n\nMadison, 30, born in Portland, said studios in new buildings start \"at like $1,400\" and are reserved for people making \"over like $90,000 a year\" ([01:49:25](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:49:25)). Elizabeth Jones said she had been priced out of the city. During earlier open comment, former Rental Services Commissioner Amber Cook attacked CoStar rental data, saying it claimed \"rents in Portland had only gone up 6% in the last decade\" ([00:12:56](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@00:12:56)).\n\n## Green's closing remarks\n\nGreen closed the forum by noting **53% of District 4 residents are renters, half of them rent burdened** ([01:54:45](meeting:2026-09-15-hpc-1@01:54:45)). Responding to Hudson's rental-as-retirement point, he said the long-run S&P 500 return is \"10%, 6 to 7% net of inflation\" and quoted Adam Smith's line that landlords \"love to reap where they never sowed.\" Avalos said too many city resources reach people only after they have \"already falling off the edge.\"\n\n## What's next\n\nThe committee meets **October 6** for a presentation on climate and health standards policy and three executive items — a housing finance item, an ordinance aligning city code with state land use laws, and the **Central City 2035 plan** — with staff presentation and testimony that day and the item expected to continue into the second October meeting. Avalos said the committee will run a \"rental ripoffs\" tour across the city in November to gather renter experiences before assembling a package of actions.", "summaryText": "Portland's Housing and Permitting Committee took no action at its September 15 meeting, using two hours to examine the city's decade-old mandatory relocation assistance policy and to hear renters and landlords debate whether the payment that renters get when a rent hike forces them out should be triggered at a 5% increase rather than the current 10%. The committee, chaired by Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1), placed all three agenda items on file.\n\nThe Portland Housing Bureau briefed the committee on the Mandatory Relocation Assistance policy, known as RELO, which requires landlords to pay a departing tenant when a landlord's decision — a no-cause termination or a rent increase of 10% or more — forces a move. Interim Director Light and Policy and Planning Director Josh Roper walked through a policy adopted by emergency ordinance in 2017 and made permanent in 2018, with 5 triggering events and 12 exemptions. The current payments — $2,900 for a studio, $3,300 for a one-bedroom, $4,200 for a two-bedroom, and $4,500 for three or more bedrooms — have not changed since 2017 (00:22:00).\n\nRoper said relocation notices tied to rent increases fell from 27 in fiscal 2022-23 to 4 in fiscal 2024-25 (00:26:15), which staff attributed largely to state law — Senate Bill 611 in 2023 capped covered increases at the lower of 10% or 7% plus inflation — and softening rents. Asked by Avalos whether fewer people were being displaced or the policy was simply reaching fewer of them, Roper said staff could not be certain (00:49:22). If the payment amounts were revised, he said, \"I would expect it to go up based on the numbers\" (00:51:43). The bureau reported 728 help desk contacts about RELO in fiscal 2026, and noted it does not track what happens to tenants after they receive assistance.\n\nVice Chair Mitch Green (District 4) pressed on the state cap, saying it functions as roughly 10% because inflation is never zero — \"this year it's ... 7.9%\" — and that at that rate \"rents double in 7 years\" under the rule of 72 (00:40:18). Green also questioned whether the bureau's hired consultant would understand tenants; Roper named the firm as Stout, citing its right-to-counsel experience (00:39:23). Staff clarified the broader review covers all landlord-tenant policies, including FAIR and the North/Northeast preference policy, not RELO alone (01:07:29); the request for proposals went out last December and the contract is being finalized this month. Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) noted that 15-20% rent increases were once routine and that no-cause evictions remain the largest source of relocation payments (00:59:30).\n\nEleven people registered and two walked in for the renter forum. The dominant proposal came from Jamie Evenstar, a District 4 council candidate who described herself as author of Portland's tenant protections, including FAIR and RELO. Evenstar urged lowering the RELO trigger from 10% to 5%, saying \"10% ... has always been too high\" and that her 2017 analysis showed anything above 5-7% pushes the average renter into severe rent burden (01:28:14). She said the city defended RELO \"all the way to the Oregon Supreme Court\" and named city attorney Denis Valliere.\n\nBen Gilbert, a Portland DSA volunteer lobbyist and District 4 renter, cited Oregon's $7 million antitrust settlement with Greystar over RealPage price-fixing and thanked Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) for an AI rental price-fixing ban co-sponsored by Green and Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) \"which passed with 8 councilors in support,\" adding that \"over 50% of renters in Portland are cost burdened\" (01:32:07). Heather Heatley, a medical practitioner, backed the lower trigger, calling moving \"one of the top 10 stressors\" (01:31:03).\n\nThe counterpoint came from Mariah Hudson, a small landlord with a single rental, who asked the committee to finish its policy review before changing the threshold. She said her fixed costs rose 4.3% last year and she spent $6,700 on HVAC repairs, and that a 5% threshold leaves \"little flexibility\" (01:40:58). Councilor Sameer Kanal (District 2), testifying as one of \"the 47% of the city ... who is a renter,\" said his own rent has risen \"below 5%\" most years, so a 5% trigger \"would not actually ... change their behavior\" for most landlords — the change would reach only those raising rents higher (01:43:58). He emphasized inspections as the complaint he hears most.\n\nMadison, 30, born in Portland, said studios in new buildings start \"at like $1,400\" and are reserved for people making \"over like $90,000 a year\" (01:49:25). Elizabeth Jones said she had been priced out of the city. During earlier open comment, former Rental Services Commissioner Amber Cook attacked CoStar rental data, saying it claimed \"rents in Portland had only gone up 6% in the last decade\" (00:12:56).\n\nGreen closed the forum by noting 53% of District 4 residents are renters, half of them rent burdened (01:54:45). Responding to Hudson's rental-as-retirement point, he said the long-run S&P 500 return is \"10%, 6 to 7% net of inflation\" and quoted Adam Smith's line that landlords \"love to reap where they never sowed.\" Avalos said too many city resources reach people only after they have \"already falling off the edge.\"\n\nThe committee meets October 6 for a presentation on climate and health standards policy and three executive items — a housing finance item, an ordinance aligning city code with state land use laws, and the Central City 2035 plan — with staff presentation and testimony that day and the item expected to continue into the second October meeting. Avalos said the committee will run a \"rental ripoffs\" tour across the city in November to gather renter experiences before assembling a package of actions.", "summaryLede": "Portland's Housing and Permitting Committee took no action at its September 15 meeting, using two hours to examine the city's decade-old mandatory relocation assistance policy and to hear renters and landlords debate whether the payment that renters get when a rent hike forces them out should be triggered at a 5% increase rather than the current 10%. 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the meeting of the Housing and Permitting Committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-19", "start": 423.447, "end": 435.025, "text": "To testify before this committee in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the committee agenda at portland.gov/council/agenda/housingandpermittingcommittee or by calling 311.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-20", "start": 435.703, "end": 439.046, "text": "Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-21", "start": 439.66, "end": 442.727, "text": "In-person testifiers must sign up before the agenda item is heard.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-22", "start": 443.547, "end": 448.9, "text": "If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the chair states otherwise.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-23", "start": 449.413, "end": 451.785, "text": "Your microphone will be muted when 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"text": "We have 3 main items on today's agenda.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-37", "start": 490.865, "end": 495.385, "text": "We'll start off like we always do with some general public comments on housing and permitting issues.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-38", "start": 495.962, "end": 501.076, "text": "Then we will have a staff overview and update on the city's mandatory relocation assistance policy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 501.749, "end": 509.366, "text": "Then we will hear from Portland renters on their concerns, ideas, or suggestions as, uh, for things that we should consider as a committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 509.92, "end": 518.137, "text": "Before we get into those items, we need to adopt committee minutes, and we are today approving our minutes from our July and August meetings.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 518.25, "end": 521.01, "text": "So the minutes are approved by unanimous consent.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 521.108, "end": 522.072, "text": "Are there any objections?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 524.54, "end": 526.366, "text": "Without objection, the minutes are approved.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 526.9, "end": 528.064, "text": "Wendy, please read item 2.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 531.692, "end": 537.553, "text": "Item number 2, document number 2026-321, Housing and Permitting Community Feedback.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 538.099, "end": 542.338, "text": "All right, now we will hear from, uh, community members on any topics related to housing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 543.012, "end": 544.827, "text": "Wendy, go ahead and call up our testifiers.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 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}, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 850.772, "end": 863.153, "text": "At a better rate than local rents increase or become practically useless to the renters it aims to keep from falling into homelessness for receiving a non— no-fault eviction from their landlord.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 865.234, "end": 869.394, "text": "Groups like Multifamily Northwest have an openly stated goal to end RELO in the city.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 870.149, "end": 878.684, "text": "Somehow the big landlords have enacted a campaign of misinformation that renters have a ton of protections in Portland to the detriment of the poor landlords.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 880.22, "end": 899.379, "text": "Portland has a few good protections like RELO, but many more are needed to even begin to address the power imbalance and the mistreatment of renters, especially low-income renters, not only in, you know, providing the truly 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924.17, "text": "All right, let's go ahead and move to the next item.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-111", "start": 926.784, "end": 933.374, "text": "Item number 3, document number 2026-322, informational briefing on mandatory relocation assistance.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-112", "start": 933.598, "end": 935.345, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-113", "start": 936.771, "end": 942.108, "text": "As our guest presenters come up, I'll open us— I'll open up this discussion.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-114", "start": 942.252, "end": 963.007, "text": "So in 2017, in response to Portland's rental housing shortage, continued rent increases of 10% or more, and concerns regarding displacement of Portland residents, the council passed a mandatory relocation assistance policy specifically intended to support tenants who receive a no-cause eviction or rent increase of 10% or more within a 12-month period.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-115", "start": 963.071, "end": 963.199, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-116", "start": 963.938, "end": 975.191, "text": "Since it went into effect nearly 10 years ago, the RELO policy has been amended several times by council to create certain exemptions for certain landlords and tenancies, and also to align the policy with state law.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 975.929, "end": 990.409, "text": "So I have asked PHB staff today to share with us an overview of the city's current RELO policy, discuss the recommendations from the Rental Services Commission in 2022, and share an update on an upcoming evaluation of the city's tenant-landlord policies.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 991.307, "end": 993.936, "text": "Displacement is costly and incredibly disruptive.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 994.208, "end": 1000.909, 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"speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1333.022, "end": 1336.49, "text": "The landlord must notify the tenant about potential eligibility.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1337.95, "end": 1343.67, "text": "For a qualifying rent increase or a substantial lease change, the tenant must request the payment.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1344.65, "end": 1351.215, "text": "And if the tenant accepts relocation assistance, the tenant must move by the applicable date or repay the assistance.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1352.81, "end": 1359.463, "text": "For no-cause terminations, the payment generally reaches the tenant 45 days before the termination date.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1360.51, "end": 1371.567, "text": "That timing matters because it places funds in the tenant's hands while that household is searching for 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2114.036, "text": "This is Rental Services Office help desk yes.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 2114.276, "end": 2115.814, "text": "Contact, contact.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 2117.16, "end": 2125.187, "text": "During fiscal year 2026, the Rental Services Office received 728 calls, emails, or in-person contacts about RELO.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 2125.892, "end": 2139.175, "text": "Tenants commonly ask whether a rent increase or lease change triggered assistance, whether habitability problems qualified, what to do when a landlord did not provide payment, and whether a claimed exemption was valid.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 2139.768, "end": 2149.736, "text": "Landlords commonly asked when an increase triggers what language a termination notice must include, how to apply for an exemption, and how the different notice periods work.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": 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"speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 2193.51, "end": 2200.517, "text": "So to close, RELO remains an important tenant stability policy, but the legal and market context has thank you.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 2201.11, "end": 2207.989, "text": "I just want to say we appreciate the committee's interest in the 2022 recommendations.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 2208.999, "end": 2213.569, "text": "Again, not providing them as current recommendations, but appreciate the opportunity to discuss them.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2214.259, "end": 2224.538, "text": "PHB's evaluation work will help shape recommendations going forward about payment levels, exemptions, administration, and the broader policy framework, not limited to RELO.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2225.5, "end": 2225.837, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2225.901, "end": 2233.436, "text": "And we thank you so much for the presentation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2234.95, "end": 2236.536, "text": "Let's kick it off with Vice Chair Green.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2238.55, "end": 2249.419, "text": "Thank you so much, Chair Avalos, for programming this item, and thank you so much for coming here to brief us on this, Director Light and Deputy Director— is it Director or Deputy Director?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2249.628, "end": 2250.738, "text": "Policy and Planning Director.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2250.996, "end": 2252.525, "text": "Policy and Planning Director Roper.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2253.418, "end": 2253.691, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2253.756, "end": 2254.56, "text": "I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Mitch 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"speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2416.603, "end": 2418.289, "text": "Happy to talk more about that though.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2418.45, "end": 2422.592, "text": "I appreciate that, and that's encouraging to hear, especially that experience on right to counsel.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2422.688, "end": 2423.909, "text": "That's a big priority for us.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2424.696, "end": 2427.12, "text": "Um, uh, thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2427.345, "end": 2429.336, "text": "Um, I just want to go back a little bit.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2429.705, "end": 2438.681, "text": "The kind of policy timeline is really helpful for contextualizing where this came from and, uh, the interaction with state law, which is important.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2439.307, "end": 2455.428, "text": "Um, so As you guys have analyzed the interaction with the state, um, I think one of the things that I've always been a little concerned about was, you know, this 7% plus inflation as the lower bound.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2455.621, "end": 2459.154, "text": "I mean, that's always just going to be about 10% because inflation's not zero.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2460.021, "end": 2462.815, "text": "Um, we don't have— we don't have like deflation in the United States.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2463.152, "end": 2467.873, "text": "Um, and, uh, and so it's really just 10%.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2468.387, "end": 2475.565, "text": "I think this year it's 9 point 7.9% is what the Department of Administrative Services has published as its schedule.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2477.612, "end": 2485.874, "text": "And that means that rents, if that's the cap, and if rents do hit that cap, that means rents double in 7 years because that's the rule of 72.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2486.1, "end": 2489.61, "text": "72 divided by your rate of growth, and that's how many years it takes to double.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2491.408, "end": 2500.314, "text": "And for folks who are on fixed incomes, Social Security, they don't get a 10% per year increase generally, and so we're getting outpaced.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2500.362, "end": 2509.118, "text": "So from your standpoint, looking at how rents actually change in the city of Portland, um, do you have any comment on that?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2509.182, "end": 2515.859, "text": "I don't know if it puts you in an awkward position, but do you think that that state law is serving renters or not?", "speaker": 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"And it was a very measured answer, so I appreciate the care and I get it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2645.573, "end": 2662.537, "text": "I guess my last question would be, you know, we have a sort of fabric of policies here and At the forefront for me is anti-displacement, is making sure that, you know, within the bounds of the law, that we are doing everything we can to keep tenants from being displaced.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2664.15, "end": 2667.903, "text": "And so is your study kind of looking at the broad interactions there?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2668.857, "end": 2670.33, "text": "Yeah, that is definitely within scope.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2670.815, "end": 2672.077, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2672.174, "end": 2692.284, "text": "I guess even going back to your initial question, I think 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consultant in the right way.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2712.7, "end": 2712.911, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mike Etterer" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2713.041, "end": 2717.328, "text": "And, you know, I understand that rents are softer in recent years.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2717.588, "end": 2726.672, "text": "The rate of change for rents on average, it's a case-by-case basis, is softer than it has been when these were initially being conceived.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2727.401, "end": 2741.334, "text": "But I think for me, there's some asymmetry in the market where it's like when you have a tight market and things are, You have good growth, good population growth, there's strong economic growth, and rents ratchet up pretty quickly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2742.088, "end": 2744.862, "text": "But they don't come down in the same measure 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"In fact, yesterday I met 2 separate people who, you know, I come and I'm like, Hey, I'm your government and I'm here to help.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2933.71, "end": 2936.147, "text": "And they're just like, well, I'm about to lose my house.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2936.852, "end": 2938.247, "text": "So it's very dire out there.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2938.439, "end": 2944.082, "text": "And I think we need to, like Vice Chair Green is saying, we need to start looking at the future.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2944.13, "end": 2953.62, "text": "We can't just look at the right now and start preempting that future where, again, it's only getting worse for Portlanders and East Portlanders are feeling it pretty heavily.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2953.7, "end": 2962.292, "text": "So also, I'll just say that I'm 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showing us?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2981.434, "end": 2983.811, "text": "Is the policy not accomplishing its original purpose?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2983.94, "end": 2986.285, "text": "And therefore, what are some changes we could consider?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2986.526, "end": 2988.63, "text": "So let's start with this.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2989.625, "end": 3001.966, "text": "I As it relates to the, what is it, the amount of people using ReLo going down, can you just talk to us a little bit about why you are seeing that?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 3002.081, "end": 3003.037, "text": "What could be the reason?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 3005.343, "end": 3019.164, "text": "Yeah, we think, we don't know for sure, but we think it has to do with the state law change and 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3112.488, "text": "So that calculation is based on old data, and that's where the payment standard came from.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 3112.617, "end": 3123.845, "text": "But if we were revising that, we would use similar data, probably additional data, to update that, and I would expect it to go up based on the numbers.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 3129.461, "end": 3137.843, "text": "So, so, PHB, um, your evaluation raises the possibility of reconsidering the design and administration of the exemptions.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 3138.425, "end": 3146.387, "text": "Could you talk to us about what concerns or questions, um, have emerged around the exemptions as you've been implementing this policy over the last 10 years?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 3147.541, "end": 3152.447, "text": "It has to do with the— well, in part, the volume of questions that we get through the help desk.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3152.544, "end": 3162.707, "text": "So that's a good rough estimate of how much confusion or administrative burden people are experiencing, both on the tenant and landlord side.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3164.154, "end": 3167.248, "text": "So, you know, there are 12 exemptions.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3167.361, "end": 3168.819, "text": "They're a little complicated.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 3169.305, "end": 3177.007, "text": "So I think the evaluation question is, first, are these exemptions meeting the purpose of the policy?", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 3177.853, "end": 3196.033, "text": "And then, to the extent that they are, how do we streamline administration or simplify the exemptions or the documentation or, you know, fill in the blank implementation aspect to make it as easy as possible for tenants and landlords?", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3197.268, "end": 3202.002, "text": "A good amount of this evaluation work I expect to be focused on administrative burden.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 3202.066, "end": 3219.598, "text": "I think easing administrative burden, including for landlords, is Do we know how often tenants who are legally entitled to relocation assistance actually receive it?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 3220.438, "end": 3221.441, "text": "Do we have any data on that?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 3221.797, "end": 3224.174, "text": "That we don't have great data on.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 3224.238, "end": 3231.061, "text": "Part of that is by design because some of the exemptions don't require reporting to the Rental Services Office.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 3231.174, "end": 3236.795, "text": "So we only by design get a slice, but also the data is imperfect.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 3237.52, "end": 3238.89, "text": "So we don't have a great number for that.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 3240.885, "end": 3248.07, "text": "What are some of the most common questions or complaints that PHB receives as it relates to the relo assistance?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3251.701, "end": 3261.455, "text": "The feedback that was listed on one of the slides, I think, is a good summary, or at least intro to that question.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3261.503, "end": 3266.364, "text": "I can go through that again, but we can also put together a more comprehensive—.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3266.861, "end": 3267.407, "text": "Which slide?", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3267.599, "end": 3269.573, "text": "This is slide 19.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3269.685, "end": 3271.899, "text": "Do you want me to share again?", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3272.332, "end": 3272.717, "text": "Oh, I see.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3272.878, "end": 3273.054, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3273.151, "end": 3282.889, "text": "So these are some of the common questions, but we can go deeper and share additional feedback that we get from landlords and tenants.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3283.547, "end": 3285.266, "text": "You're saying you can follow up with us on that?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3285.331, "end": 3286.134, "text": "Yeah, exactly.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3286.52, "end": 3287.757, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3288.786, "end": 3298.622, "text": "And then are there any populations or types of renters that PHB believes the current policy is particularly effective or ineffective at protecting from displacement?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3302.567, "end": 3306.552, "text": "I think that's a— it's an important piece of the evaluation.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3306.617, "end": 3311.981, "text": "I will say accessibility has come into focus as a major need.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3314.036, "end": 3325.98, "text": "And I can't say one way or the other exactly what the data will tell us about accessibility and its connection to RELO, but that is an area where I think we will need to do more or could do more.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3328.378, "end": 3329.275, "text": "But that's not the only one.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3332.256, "end": 3332.952, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3333.292, "end": 3336.759, "text": "I think I'll pause it there for now, and let's go to Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3342.878, "end": 3343.75, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3344.525, "end": 3361.673, "text": "Um, I am curious— thank you for your presentation, thank you for being here— um, are you experiencing, hearing about, hearing about situations where someone is clearly involuntarily having to move, being displaced, but isn't being covered by the current triggers?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3362.018, "end": 3364.191, "text": "And If that's happening, is it coming up?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3364.288, "end": 3365.566, "text": "Are there certain situations?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3365.63, "end": 3367.765, "text": "Are there some patterns that seem to be coming up more?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3369.436, "end": 3376.651, "text": "I think this is another one where we could follow up with more of an in-depth analysis of the help desk data that we get.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3377.325, "end": 3384.713, "text": "We have a team that fields these requests, but they, they manage it via a database so we can pull relevant information.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3386.037, "end": 3394.404, "text": "And I'm wondering if we collect data on what happens to tenants after they receive relocation assistance?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3394.677, "end": 3397.852, "text": "Do we know if they remain in Portland, leave the city?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3398.83, "end": 3400.209, "text": "Is there any follow-up?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3400.514, "end": 3401.3, "text": "If so, for how long?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3402.278, "end": 3406.897, "text": "We don't have outcome data past— to that extent.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3407.025, "end": 3412.301, "text": "I think it's an— it would be a really interesting thing to pursue via the evaluation.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3412.397, "end": 3418.826, "text": "And, you know, some of what we're going to be looking at administrative data improvements, like improvements around the data that we collect.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3420.79, "end": 3429.313, "text": "That kind of outcome data can be a little challenging to get and expensive in some cases, but not expensive, but resource intensive to get.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3429.637, "end": 3430.702, "text": "But I think it's a really interesting question.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3433.891, "end": 3437.393, "text": "And this question, if you have an answer, I'd love to hear.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3437.474, "end": 3444.739, "text": "I'd also be interested if there are any advocates when when you testify, if you want to let me know what you think too, if you have seen the process of this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3444.835, "end": 3460.712, "text": "But knowing what we've learned since this was adopted, if you were designing Portland's relocation assistance policy from scratch today, are there things that you would do differently that you wish PHB could do differently?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3464.12, "end": 3467.809, "text": "Well, again, I will 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3543.621, "text": "That makes sense.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3543.669, "end": 3544.086, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3544.567, "end": 3546.009, "text": "And I didn't— there was no right answer.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3546.073, "end": 3549.151, "text": "I was just curious if there's anything you're like, Wow, we should have thought of that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 3549.215, "end": 3556.611, "text": "And it makes sense that you're— sometimes something has to play out to actually know what data you want to be looking at.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 3557.542, "end": 3559.05, "text": "And thank you all for your commitment to this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 3559.595, "end": 3560.109, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 3561.392, "end": 3562.195, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3562.291, "end": 3562.933, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3564.296, "end": 3564.794, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3565.885, "end": 3570.922, "text": "So I just wanted to make a couple of historical observations, and correct me if you think I'm wrong.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3570.971, "end": 3577.198, "text": "I mean, as far as the effectiveness of the state law I think that, you know, we can—.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3577.391, "end": 3581.758, "text": "That there was a time when we were seeing routinely like 15-20% rent increases.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3581.87, "end": 3586.976, "text": "Maybe that wouldn't have 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"text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3646.66, "end": 3647.176, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3648.916, "end": 3659.533, "text": "This feels like one of the programs that we have at the city that depending on who you ask and how you ask, is trying to meet many different goals at once.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3659.79, "end": 3663.564, "text": "And I, as you say, of course we would build the program differently from the ground up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3663.66, "end": 3672.186, "text": "I think that's often the case when we're trying to do a lot of different things, and we're not always clear on which we're optimized to.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3672.957, "end": 3674.225, "text": "So I just, I want to note that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3675.526, "end": 3686.183, "text": "Do we have data now, or are we going to find out through this report, How, um, how do I want to word this?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3688.26, "end": 3698.056, "text": "I'm wondering if folks who do receive relocation assistance are finding equivalent housing, and if so, what we mean by that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3698.17, "end": 3706.482, "text": "Are they finding housing that they can afford that's at a similar price point, that is a similar setup?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3706.579, "end": 3706.725, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3707.149, "end": 3707.359, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3707.489, "end": 3711.176, "text": "Size, bedrooms, access to transportation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3711.92, "end": 3723.526, "text": "Are they finding housing in the same general neighborhood that meets the convenience needs in terms of transportation, kids' school, proximity to work, things like that?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3725.982, "end": 3740.449, "text": "If part of— if one of the many goals of relocation assistance is helping folks through that transition, Are we actually meeting that goal compared to, for example, people who don't receive relocation assistance?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3740.513, "end": 3752.34, "text": "And this feels like something where, because there are exemptions, we could actually compare the experience of people who are receiving assistance versus not in finding some sort of equivalent housing.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3752.548, "end": 3758.765, "text": "So I'm wondering if we have that information now, and if not, if that's part of what we're going to learn in this report.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3759.599, "end": 3761.141, "text": "I think it's a great question.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3761.19, "end": 3767.569, "text": "It sort of relates to Councilor Koyama Lane's post-payment outcomes question.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3768.195, "end": 3768.999, "text": "Sort of the same answer.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3769.047, "end": 3797.451, "text": "We don't have that data right now, but yes, I would say in connection with the evaluation, we should be looking at both how that consultant team can support in doing maybe a limited survey or some kind of outreach to determine outcomes after relocation payments, and then also thinking about Any potential changes that are feasible to how we implement the program to capture that data in an ongoing way.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3799.12, "end": 3799.396, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3799.703, "end": 3801.842, "text": "That would be great to see included.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3803.9, "end": 3825.878, "text": "Are we, again, as you think about changes that might come, proposals that might come out of the report, are you focused on optimizing the program for that are you thinking about optimizing the program to prevent folks from having to move in the first place?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3826.729, "end": 3828.753, "text": "Um, a deterrent?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3828.994, "end": 3836.67, "text": "Are you thinking about optimizing the program to help, um, prevent significant rent increases?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3836.863, "end": 3841.022, "text": "Though I know this interplays with that state law in a way where that's maybe less of an issue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3841.102, "end": 3841.728, "text": "I think that's a great question.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3842.556, "end": 3844.596, "text": "What should we expect to see?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3844.822, "end": 3847.833, "text": "I know you're not going to weigh in on specific policies.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3847.898, "end": 3848.788, "text": "We have to see the report.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3848.869, "end": 3852.49, "text": "But what's the direction to the consultant in terms of what we're trying to optimize?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3855.49, "end": 3859.214, "text": "We are— it's a great 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"id": "cue-554", "start": 3889.39, "end": 3894.509, "text": "With respect to ReLo, yeah, generally trying to soften the landing.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3895.526, "end": 3904.355, "text": "But that is just where my head is, and it doesn't need to be where, you know, where the evaluation goes necessarily, or it doesn't need to be locked into that.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3906.091, "end": 3907.906, "text": "We're going to be pulling in multiple perspectives.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3908.083, "end": 3908.549, "text": "Sorry, go ahead.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3908.645, "end": 3909.626, "text": "Yeah, no, sorry about that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3910.011, "end": 3917.04, "text": "No, and I think it's also when you look across, we have these other bodies of work that are out there, right?", "speaker": "Unidentified 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the housing stability that we ultimately say in our social housing report is what we're about, right?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3950.465, "end": 3951.99, "text": "It's delivering housing stability.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3952.07, "end": 3958.362, "text": "And that means I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3958.443, "end": 3975.835, "text": "It gets perhaps to the answer of the next question I wanted to ask, which is, are you looking at this tool as the tool, in essence, to help create that soft landing, or are you looking at this as a tool within a broader ecosystem?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3976.111, "end": 3978.743, "text": "And is the report going to reflect that broader ecosystem?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3978.792, "end": 3978.89, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3980.345, "end": 3994.12, "text": "Meaning, if you see this as one tool in a broader ecosystem, but the report is just asking about how to optimize this tool, I fear we might get proposals that don't actually take into account the other work we do.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3994.778, "end": 4004.737, "text": "On the other hand, if this really is the only tool you see us being able to use in the near future, we should make sure that the report is really looking at it with that lens.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 4004.801, "end": 4004.945, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 4006.559, "end": 4008.093, "text": "That level of need and power.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 4010.142, "end": 4011.887, "text": "I don't think this is the only tool.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" 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"cue-600", "start": 4112.471, "end": 4119.553, "text": "I think it was pretty successful in getting input from the community, from stakeholders.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 4120.541, "end": 4125.106, "text": "I'll also just kind of piggyback on one note.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 4126.86, "end": 4136.605, "text": "This evaluation work has been described, at least occasionally, as a FAIR review or an evaluation of FAIR.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 4136.703, "end": 4156.757, "text": "And I just, I do want to underscore that it is, again, a broader effort to look at landlord-tenant policy existing and potential in Portland and really bring quantitative and qualitative data to the table and, you know, think deeply about the best version of the landlord-tenant policy landscape we can come up with for Portland.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 4157.721, "end": 4157.882, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 4158.493, "end": 4163.48, "text": "Councilor, did the former committee have any conversation about priorities in this report?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 4163.528, "end": 4166.984, "text": "It seems like this is a really big deal for our work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 4168.586, "end": 4175.794, "text": "It was brought forward in a presentation about a very narrow thing, And I'm wondering if council has weighed in at all.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 4177.718, "end": 4179.692, "text": "We didn't talk about it in committee last year.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 4179.967, "end": 4182.798, "text": "I don't know that council has weighed in in a formal way.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 4182.895, "end": 4187.009, "text": "I mean, it seems like you 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"id": "cue-616", "start": 4225.98, "end": 4227.814, "text": "Well, thank you so much for your time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 4227.929, "end": 4240.712, "text": "I think importantly, what this conversation I'm hoping does is just enter this committee into this discussion because like you said, that report is about broad landlord-tenant policy.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 4241.29, "end": 4251.999, "text": "We all know as councilors that the rent is too damn high and people are really struggling and they are looking to us as policymakers to make decisions to support, to support them.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 4252.064, "end": 4254.007, "text": "And so this is a first step.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 4254.135, "end": 4254.215, "text": "Whoops.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 4255.658, "end": 4261.445, "text": "And, uh, with 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"id": "cue-627", "start": 4281.228, "end": 4281.728, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 4282.937, "end": 4284.565, "text": "Okay folks, let's go ahead.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 4284.63, "end": 4289.905, "text": "We're going to do a quick break before we enter into public comment on the Renters Forum.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4291.151, "end": 4296.151, "text": "I am going to give us until 3:20.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4297.236, "end": 4297.85, "text": "Did I do my math right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-632", "start": 4297.947, "end": 4298.691, "text": "Is that 12 minutes?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4298.837, "end": 4299.403, "text": "That's 12 minutes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4299.483, "end": 4301.569, "text": "Okay, let's, uh, come back at 3:20.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4301.763, "end": 4302.006, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 5202.06, "end": 5203.297, "text": "All right, welcome back.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 5203.442, "end": 5205.419, "text": "We will call this meeting back into order.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 5207.6, "end": 5209.472, "text": "Um, Wendy, can you please read the next item for us?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 5210.603, "end": 5211.281, "text": "Yes, thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 5211.814, "end": 5217.635, "text": "Item number 4, document number 2026-323, Renters Feedback Forum.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 5219.256, "end": 5220.164, "text": "All right, thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 5220.504, "end": 5229.384, "text": "So we have invited renters in our city to share their concerns, ideas, or suggestions for policy changes within the committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 5230.268, "end": 5232.951, "text": "Uh, and so we've got how many folks signed up?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 5233.032, "end": 5234.253, "text": "10 At this point?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 5234.847, "end": 5236.47, "text": "We actually have 11 people signed up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 5236.775, "end": 5237.129, "text": "Wonderful.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 5237.595, "end": 5247.316, "text": "If you are in the audience or listening online and you want a chance to speak and have not signed up officially, you can come up and speak to the clerk if you are in person.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 5247.396, "end": 5250.183, "text": "If they're online, is there a way, Clerk, No.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 5250.343, "end": 5250.52, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 5250.665, "end": 5253.958, "text": "So just if you're in person, you can come sign up and add yourself to the list.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 5256.111, "end": 5256.385, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 5256.786, "end": 5259.793, "text": "So if we're ready, let's go ahead and call up our first panel.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 5260.942, "end": 5261.119, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 5261.265, "end": 5263.093, "text": "I will call you up in groups of 3.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 5264.096, "end": 5273.736, "text": "And the first folks are Benjamin G., Jamie E., 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Come on up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 5274.529, "end": 5276.45, "text": "And just a reminder, you have 3 minutes for your testimony.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 5276.5, "end": 5277.466, "text": "You'll hear 2 chimes.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 5277.832, "end": 5283.287, "text": "The first one indicating you have 30 seconds left and the second one indicating your time is up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 5284.571, "end": 5288.742, "text": "I just want to note that I know there are some folks lingering outside that were— that you called.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 5288.935, "end": 5291.742, "text": "So if they come in later, we'll just make sure to call them back up.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 5291.855, "end": 5292.24, "text": "Of course.", "speaker": "Keelan 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"end": 5389.867, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 5390.012, "end": 5390.701, "text": "To 5%.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 5391.117, "end": 5394.915, "text": "It's an easy and sound way to prevent more homelessness.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 5395.38, "end": 5404.322, "text": "I strongly encourage you to discuss this with Denis Valliere, the city attorney who successfully defended this policy in court, about what is possible here, because I have.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 5405.155, "end": 5415.331, "text": "There are lots of other ways you should update and right-size RELO, including increasing the payment amounts, which were based on a formula of the average rent per unit size multiplied by 3.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 5415.491, "end": 5415.603, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 5416.454, "end": 5419.472, "text": "Those numbers have also increased over the last 10 years.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 5420.307, "end": 5426.473, "text": "But the truth is that RELA was always a workaround for the fact that the state has preempted the city from regulating rent.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 5427.211, "end": 5430.872, "text": "And that's the real hard work that you all need to prioritize.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 5431.45, "end": 5435.336, "text": "We must demand the state give us control over our rental markets.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 5435.801, "end": 5439.366, "text": "The needs for housing and the cost of housing varies across the state.", "speaker": "Jamie Evenstar" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 5439.976, "end": 5446.896, "text": "Lifting the preemption would give us the ability to create our own local rent 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"Hello, my name is Ben Gilbert.", "speaker": "Josh Roper" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 5529.923, "end": 5534.529, "text": "I'm a volunteer lobbyist for the Portland DSA, and I'm a renter in District 4.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 5535.604, "end": 5542.328, "text": "In November of 2025, Oregon reached a $7 million antitrust settlement with my landlord, Greystar Management Services.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 5543.243, "end": 5544.655, "text": "The allegation was price fixing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 5545.008, "end": 5550.433, "text": "Greystar used algorithmic price— pricing tools such as RealPage to artificially inflate rent prices.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 5551.412, "end": 5557.077, "text": "The company was accused of sharing sensitive non-public pricing data with rival landlords to eliminate Market competition.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": 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"id": "cue-817", "start": 6119.396, "end": 6132.581, "text": "Publicly state expectations that tenants will not be punished for speaking their truth, and if they are, that they're generally eligible for legal protections due to the very public manner of these sessions, and provide access to the ORS.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 6132.791, "end": 6135.649, "text": "Don't listen passively.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 6136.151, "end": 6138.399, "text": "Ask questions and repeat back key issues.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 6138.998, "end": 6143.56, "text": "Your silence says this is a waste of time, as their time has been wasted so many times before.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 6143.608, "end": 6143.786, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 6144.667, "end": 6146.894, "text": "That it's well-intentioned but performative.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 6148.394, "end": 6156.778, "text": "Say in advance what this could change—not big promises—but that predominant problems could shift X policy and/or Y practice more to their benefit.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 6157.505, "end": 6163.857, "text": "Do not just ask them to come bear their trauma stories in the hope it might create some sort of change sometime down the line.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 6165.418, "end": 6173.823, "text": "Show something of what you already know ahead of time, such as we understand that having so many PSH entered into housing without the S supportive services has created a hardship for the vulnerable.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 6175.81, "end": 6182.682, "text": "Working poor, so we're considering putting more funds into supportive services, but need better understand how to do it effectively.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 6183.469, "end": 6187.884, "text": "An offer to connect every renter participant to another agency or org to help them now.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 6188.623, "end": 6200.456, "text": "Sign up properties for city or fire marshal inspections, city council property tours with tenants, have a relo one-pager and other info on low-income legal clinics, the Eviction Defense Project.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 6201.034, "end": 6207.104, "text": "Um, Things like free therapy and counseling resources and suicide prevention.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 6207.618, "end": 6210.363, "text": "Suicide in low-income housing is a lot more frequent than you know.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 6211.584, "end": 6216.963, "text": "Make sure to have interpreters and actually consult low-income renters on how to run listening sessions.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 6217.589, "end": 6221.731, "text": "Have a lot more of these and create data from them the public can access afterwards.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 6221.796, "end": 6222.036, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 6230.38, "end": 6231.315, "text": "Councilor Knall.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 6238.456, "end": 6243.079, "text": "Chair Avalos, members of the Housing and Permitting Committee, thanks for taking the time to listen to renters.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 6243.143, "end": 6244.109, "text": "My name is Samir Knall.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 6244.657, "end": 6257.818, "text": "I, in addition to being a city councilor from District 2, I am one of the 47% of the city of Portland who is a renter, and I'm really grateful for the opportunity to speak in that My experience is not 100% the same as everyone else's.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 6257.866, "end": 6264.921, "text": "I've generally, in the city of Portland, rented single-family homes, and the rent changes there are a little bit different.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 6265.001, "end": 6269.346, "text": "I— and when I rented in Seattle and New York, it was often very different.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 6270.052, "end": 6273.836, "text": "Having the experience of being a renter most of my adult life, I've lived in a lot of apartments.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 6274.317, "end": 6289.296, "text": "I've had landlords who were listed on alternative weekly newspapers as lists of top 10 slumlords In the past, and it showed inconsistently in the way in which those interactions happened.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 6289.925, "end": 6292.43, "text": "I've had a lot better experiences in Portland, and I want to acknowledge that.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 6294.155, "end": 6301.629, "text": "At the same time, I think there's a lot of things that could be done a lot better in Portland, and I'm really excited that you're taking this on.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 6302.473, "end": 6305.237, "text": "I did want to mention, as it relates to the—.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 6305.383, "end": 6306.066, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 6307.456, "end": 6310.92, "text": "The possibility of looking at relocation and changing that.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 6311.26, "end": 6315.733, "text": "My rent has gone up most years, but most of the time below 5%.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 6316.859, "end": 6329.985, "text": "And what that means is that for many landlords in the city, capping or creating the trigger point at 5% instead of 10% would not actually change— have to affect their behavior or change their behavior in any way because they're already doing it.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 6330.41, "end": 6336.845, "text": "So the— what the— a policy change like that would do is ultimately affect only the people who are raising it Higher, which is the point, right?", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 6336.957, "end": 6340.169, "text": "And so that's a good thing, and I wanted to, to get that on the record.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 6341.116, "end": 6347.202, "text": "Um, the thing that I want to get across the most is inspections.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 6347.876, "end": 6363.387, "text": "When I'm out and around and I talk to folks, the idea of sub— of low-quality housing below the level of what we consider a minimum standard of living that hasn't been seen by a city inspector in far too long is what I see and hear about the most.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 6363.435, "end": 6363.515, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 6366.598, "end": 6371.511, "text": "So those are the things that I wanted to share from, from my experience.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 6371.72, "end": 6377.87, "text": "I, I think that there's a lot here in the context of the Renters' Bill of Rights that deserves, uh, revisiting.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6377.966, "end": 6382.655, "text": "And I hope that in addition to talking about RELO and in parallel to all of that, those come up too.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6382.783, "end": 6390.072, "text": "I, I know that it's really important that we're protecting the most vulnerable people, and the most vulnerable people in the context of housing is renters.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6390.81, "end": 6392.206, "text": "And it's important to remember that.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6392.27, "end": 6395.35, "text": "That's why we have to protect people from evictions during the school year.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 6395.703, "end": 6398.046, "text": "We have to protect people from evictions during extreme weather events.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 6398.286, "end": 6401.543, "text": "We have to protect people from rent raises when there is a code violation.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 6402.057, "end": 6404.094, "text": "And so, and of course, the lobbying at the state.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 6404.688, "end": 6407.479, "text": "The last thing I wanted to mention is that we should help the whole person.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6407.688, "end": 6417.314, "text": "If they want to become a homeowner, that's great, but we can never pit homeownership programs that we absolutely have to fund against protecting renters and make those funding an either-or.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6417.378, "end": 6419.8, "text": "We have to find a way to do Thanks for the time.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6419.901, "end": 6420.386, "text": "Thanks for the consideration.", "speaker": "Samir Knall" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6426.19, "end": 6439.231, "text": "Okay, calling for a second time, Heather C., Nicole M., James L. Looks like that concludes public testimony.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6441.406, "end": 6441.583, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mike Etterer" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6445.316, "end": 6456.955, "text": "Um, if there are folks who walked in the room and wanted to speak, you have 10 seconds to come up to the clerk and sign up.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6457.214, "end": 6458.475, "text": "So let me give you those 10 seconds.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6459.299, "end": 6462.371, "text": "If you did not speak and you would like to, come on up.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6467.13, "end": 6468.034, "text": "Clerk, what would you prefer?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6468.198, "end": 6468.987, "text": "Do you just need a name?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6469.595, "end": 6474.413, "text": "Yeah, if you could just give me your name and you can do it after you speak.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6488.714, "end": 6490.081, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6492.3, "end": 6496.806, "text": "Hi, my name is Elizabeth Jones, and I can't live in Portland anymore.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6497.323, "end": 6498.195, "text": "I've been priced out.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6500.08, "end": 6501.623, "text": "Well, honestly, years ago.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 6502.106, "end": 6514.453, "text": "And the same is true for many of my close friends who don't necessarily have the luxury of being able to afford moving up to Vancouver and working and living there.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 6516.162, "end": 6524.828, "text": "I've had too many friends who've been forced to go into dangerous housing arrangements or live in shelters.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 6525.15, "end": 6525.262, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 6525.728, "end": 6527.367, "text": "Because they just can't afford the rent.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 6528.219, "end": 6531.529, "text": "And that doesn't— they work full-time.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 6531.834, "end": 6536.777, "text": "They, they are doing their part and they're doing their best, and it is not enough.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 6539.119, "end": 6542.469, "text": "Um, this shouldn't happen.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 6543.133, "end": 6544.476, "text": "Uh, rent is too high.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 6544.832, "end": 6545.836, "text": "It needs to stay—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6547.114, "end": 6548.432, "text": "It needs to go down if possible.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6549.335, "end": 6552.694, "text": "Um, And there's nothing more I can really say.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6554.2, "end": 6555.253, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6555.35, "end": 6556.338, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6556.986, "end": 6558.979, "text": "Last call.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6561.684, "end": 6562.089, "text": "Come on up.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6562.96, "end": 6564.757, "text": "Why don't you go ahead and speak and then we'll get your name after?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6565.032, "end": 6567.056, "text": "Okay, is this the mic?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6569.256, "end": 6570.915, "text": "Hi everybody, my name is Madison.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6571.512, "end": 6574.025, "text": "Um, I was born and raised here in Portland.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6575.136, "end": 6576.328, "text": "I went to school downtown.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6577.45, "end": 6584.502, "text": "Um, and I have not really been able to afford rent very often in my adult life.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6584.728, "end": 6585.196, "text": "I'm 30.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6586.261, "end": 6589.983, "text": "I've had to live with roommates, um, in substandard conditions, I would say.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6590.45, "end": 6595.669, "text": "And as a college student, my first time around, I had to drop out because I couldn't afford housing.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6597.067, "end": 6603.249, "text": "Um, and last year I got laid off and it made it hard for me to afford rent and I had to move back in with family.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6604.65, "end": 6608.939, "text": "Uh, so I would say that I'm very concerned about the cost of rent.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6609.003, "end": 6617.917, "text": "When I was younger, I was hopeful that I'd be able to rent here and hopefully buy a house someday, but, um, it's becoming more and more difficult to do that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6618.078, "end": 6621.788, "text": "And a lot of my friends have had to move out of the city because they can't afford rent either.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6622.093, "end": 6633.188, "text": "So yeah, it's really sad for me as someone who's local to the area to be from a poor family and most of my family can't afford to live here anywhere either.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6633.638, "end": 6658.449, "text": "Um, and yeah, I would say that my hope for our city moving forward is that we do more to combat the costs of new housing, because when I do look for new housing in nice buildings with appliances and safe living conditions, they're way higher than myself or anyone that I know at my income level could afford.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6660.37, "end": 6668.307, "text": "It's mostly reserved for people who make really over like $90,000 a year who can afford those types of new building apartments.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6670.566, "end": 6678.761, "text": "Any less than that, then they're going to be pretty broke trying to live in those buildings because the rent usually starts at like $1,400 for a studio.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6679.404, "end": 6680.117, "text": "That's what I've been seeing.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6681.306, "end": 6687.963, "text": "And I don't know about you guys, But I think that's way too high, and especially for renters.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6688.092, "end": 6713.146, "text": "If that was a mortgage, maybe it'd be worth it, but it's not worth it when it's, um, a private equity company who's price gouging you at every corner in a building that's in a part of town where all of the local buildings are being purchased and rented out at these rates, um, for people who are not even I don't know, it's— it just doesn't feel fair.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6713.5, "end": 6718.337, "text": "So, um, yeah, thanks for listening and thanks for having this meeting.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6718.466, "end": 6719.527, "text": "I appreciate all your time.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6720.24, "end": 6721.016, "text": "Yeah, thanks so much.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6722.764, "end": 6723.376, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6726.531, "end": 6730.251, "text": "Okay, I don't see anyone else chomping at the bit here.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6730.524, "end": 6732.363, "text": "Excuse me, could you come back and give me your name?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6732.464, "end": 6732.748, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6732.815, "end": 6733.15, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6733.82, "end": 6734.087, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6736.506, "end": 6740.039, "text": "All right, folks, so thank you to everyone who came out today.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6740.199, "end": 6742.27, "text": "I know that, uh, it is the middle of the day.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6742.367, "end": 6747.665, "text": "I don't expect that we're going to get a groundswell of folks, uh, especially working folks who are struggling with their rent.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6748.211, "end": 6750.17, "text": "Uh, they're not going to be able to come at 3:00.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6750.218, "end": 6755.983, "text": "So thank you for those that could and for also representing the voices of the many Portlanders that are struggling.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6756.561, "end": 6768.863, "text": "Um, you know, this is— this conversation we had prior to this was about just assessing our policies as a city, what we need to be doing to increase affordability and access to folks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6769.088, "end": 6776.605, "text": "I regularly, you know, as I go around and knock on doors, it's actually really difficult because that is the number one thing that I hear.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6776.958, "end": 6780.476, "text": "And I know that the city needs to do better to provide resources.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6780.572, "end": 6789.245, "text": "It really sucks, frankly, to be standing on someone's doorstep who's telling me that they are on the verge of losing their home and not having a tool right available to them.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6789.566, "end": 6791.445, "text": "So that is my policy outcome.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 6791.509, "end": 6793.291, "text": "That is my goal as a legislator.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 6793.596, "end": 6794.912, "text": "What are those immediate tools?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 6794.961, "end": 6797.144, "text": "How can we get people that are right on the edge?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 6797.786, "end": 6810.501, "text": "So many of our resources are dependent on people already falling off the edge, and that is contributing to the broader instability and our inability as a city to get people ahead of that curve.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 6811.576, "end": 6814.193, "text": "This is the beginning of this conversation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 6814.627, "end": 6830.75, "text": "I want to let folks know that we are going to be doing a series of rental rip- We're— we want to go around and hear not only about rent, but also what are your experiences in your rentals.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 6830.75, "end": 6841.27, "text": "For example, I had, uh, somebody who I spoke to on their door and said that, um, they reported rodents, and instead of fixing the problem, they got moved.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 6841.27, "end": 6847.87, "text": "And it's like, sure, maybe to the landlord they were like, I solved the problem, I gave them a new place to live, but now they're living in a place that has rodents.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 6847.87, "end": 6847.89, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 6847.892, "end": 6850.572, "text": "Further away from their, their workplace.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 6850.925, "end": 6855.803, "text": "Obviously moving is not a fun thing for anybody, regardless of if you have the money to move.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 6856.22, "end": 6862.03, "text": "And so these are the kinds of things that add up and are creating this instability, not just economically too.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 6862.174, "end": 6874.643, "text": "So, um, these are the things that we want to hear in these rental ripoffs, and, um, hopefully from that, uh, put together a package of some, uh, actions that we can take right away, uh, in the coming year.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 6874.787, "end": 6876.112, "text": "So So keep an eye out for that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 6876.161, "end": 6882.256, "text": "I'll talk more about it in committee in the coming weeks, but November, expect we'll do a round of rental ripoffs across the city.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 6882.935, "end": 6883.469, "text": "Vice Chair Green.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 6885.22, "end": 6886.103, "text": "Thank you, Chair Avalos.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 6886.28, "end": 6892.513, "text": "I didn't know if you wanted to use any time after this for councilors to sort of respond to what they heard.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 6892.561, "end": 6893.011, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 6893.124, "end": 6895.277, "text": "Um, okay, then I'll jump into that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 6895.535, "end": 6903.839, "text": "I, I want to thank everyone for coming today, and, uh, I know it's not easy to get here downtown at this time of the day.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 6904.625, "end": 6910.304, "text": "And I know it's a risk if you're a tenant to talk about some of these issues.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 6910.416, "end": 6920.651, "text": "And there are some specific properties that I know in my district in particular that I think tenants are acutely worried about retaliation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 6921.164, "end": 6940.546, "text": "And so I think I want to thank you for helping us be brave because part of the motivation for Councilor Avalos and I is, is to use our committees, and this one in particular, to make sure that we are validating that this is the people's house and this is the renter's house.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 6942.04, "end": 6949.351, "text": "In District 4, 53% of my constituents are renters, which is greater than the average of the city overall.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 6950.235, "end": 6959.884, "text": "And I think people sometimes forget that because District 4 is home to the wealthiest people in the city of Portland, but it's also home to 53% of renters, half of whom are rent burdened.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 6960.75, "end": 6966.928, "text": "And so the stakes are very real, and what we want to do is make sure we use this committee as a place to raise up your voice and your power.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 6967.65, "end": 6980.44, "text": "And so my office is particularly interested in bringing forward and developing policy that increases the power of tenants and not just sort of give a voice but increase your power.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 6980.552, "end": 6981.739, "text": "And so stay tuned on that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 6981.852, "end": 6983.434, "text": "And if you have ideas, let's meet.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 6985.737, "end": 6993.359, "text": "I want to provide some comments on the idea of rental housing as a sort of retirement plan.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 6994.595, "end": 6995.635, "text": "And I just need to say this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 6997.432, "end": 7005.625, "text": "The only way that works out is if you're betting on the speculative price increase of housing over time and a pretty high cap rate.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 7005.674, "end": 7007.319, "text": "So basically what that means is what is your yield?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 7008.083, "end": 7008.597, "text": "Over time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 7009.592, "end": 7019.172, "text": "And that's incommensurate with stable rent growth and rent as a utility rather than a sort of speculative asset.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 7019.301, "end": 7026.265, "text": "And the city that I'm trying to build, I think many of us are trying to envision, is a city where there is less, less commodification in housing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 7027.725, "end": 7037.507, "text": "And I think that's the only way we can get to a place where we're not pitting renters against homeowners against, you know, Everyone else, so we can all share in this together.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 7039.139, "end": 7051.91, "text": "I'll note that the long-run average return for the S&P 500, even including the recession years we've lived through the last 20, 30 years, is 10%, 6 to 7% net of inflation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 7054.017, "end": 7059.543, "text": "I think it's better to put your money in the stock market to save for a rainy day, and you have fewer risks anyway.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 7060.421, "end": 7060.632, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 7065.431, "end": 7074.183, "text": "If you have to raise rents faster than the rate of inflation, then you're taking it from someone else who has earned a wage to pay that rent.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 7074.328, "end": 7075.498, "text": "And I'll just leave you with this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 7076.155, "end": 7081.638, "text": "Adam Smith, everyone remembers Adam Smith as this sort of architect of capitalism.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 7081.766, "end": 7085.437, "text": "You know, he's often quoted by libertarians.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 7086.255, "end": 7088.066, "text": "But he famously said this in The Wealth of Nations.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 7088.114, "end": 7099.083, "text": "He says, as soon as the land of any country has all become private property, The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 7099.483, "end": 7110.533, "text": "And so the meaning there is like when we, when we allow housing to be scarce and we allow that to be held by landlords to just do with that what they will, they're going to extract an unearned rent.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 7110.581, "end": 7112.217, "text": "And that's what that means in economic terms.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 7112.265, "end": 7114.094, "text": "So it also means we need to build more housing too.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 7114.174, "end": 7115.617, "text": "We need to make housing not scarce.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 7116.419, "end": 7126.658, "text": "So I think I think strong tenant protections, rent control, and a pro-housing production agenda that has social housing at its core is the future of our city.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 7126.723, "end": 7129.041, "text": "And I, I hope that you help us build that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 7129.202, "end": 7129.46, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 7133.469, "end": 7134.306, "text": "Thank you, Vice Chair.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 7135.981, "end": 7137.378, "text": "Any other comments from committee?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 7141.761, "end": 7147.134, "text": "Okay, then with that, um, let me give you a couple announcements.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 7147.182, "end": 7150.449, "text": "So our next meeting is on On October 6th.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 7150.898, "end": 7157.565, "text": "At that meeting, we are going to have a presentation and committee discussion on climate and health standards policy development.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 7157.709, "end": 7163.061, "text": "I will share more to committee members about that, but there will be, uh, informational presentation.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 7163.718, "end": 7174.504, "text": "Um, and then we will also have 3 executive items, including a housing finance item, an ordinance to align the city's code with state land use laws, and the Central City 2035 plan.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 7175.177, "end": 7182.567, "text": "Uh, on October 6th, we'll hear a staff presentation and take public testimony, and we anticipate continuing that item into the second meeting of October.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 7183.636, "end": 7186.192, "text": "With that, I will adjourn this meeting at 3:56 PM.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 7187.272, "end": 7191.109, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Amber Cook" } ] }