{ "meetingId": "2026-09-10-ws-1", "title": "City Council Work Session - Budget Process Revisions 09/10/26", "date": "2026-09-10T09:00:00-07:00", "duration": 149, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXznSKHKr7c", "videoId": "nXznSKHKr7c", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/auditor/council-clerk/events/2026/9/10/city-council-work-session", "agendaItems": [], "summary": "**Portland's budget team laid out four areas of possible changes to the city budget process for the 2027-28 cycle at a September 10 work session, taking direction from the 12-member council but casting nothing as a recommendation and taking no vote.**\n\nChief Financial Officer Jonas Biery and Budget Director Ruth Levine presented options grouped into four themes — information access, decision-making support, community engagement, and budget accuracy — each option flagged as easy, challenging, or medium to implement. Biery told councilors the options were \"a synthesis of the feedback that we've heard\" and that \"nothing in here is identified as a recommendation.\" Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) ran the queue and held members to five minutes per theme.\n\n## Members press for spreadsheets over narrative\n\nThe sharpest agreement of the afternoon came on how budget information reaches the council. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said she wanted line-by-line data showing programs, dollars, and staffing counts. \"I don't need a story for you to explain. I just need a spreadsheet,\" she said ([00:35:05](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@00:35:05)), and objected to internal-fee charges she put at rising 22% a year. Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) said forward-facing budget documents carry too much internal accounting data, pointing to fund transfers of **$500,000** between identical line items as meaningless for decisions. \"Names help, numbers don't,\" he said ([00:47:46](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@00:47:46)).\n\nCouncilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) asked the team to restore the program-offer detail published under the former form of government. Levine said program offers still exist in the budget book but changed with new software, and are tied to the city's SAP financial system, making a full overhaul a multi-year effort. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said his office got answers when it asked but the process is \"under-resourced relative to the demand,\" and urged the next proposed budget to fund training so council staff can run standardized data queries. Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) and Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) asked for standardized one-page bureau summaries; Ryan wanted a 5- and 10-year look-back and figures on money going to private and nonprofit partners.\n\n## Whether to issue a City Administrator report\n\nOn decision-making, Biery said members disagree over whether to keep the City Administrator's budget report and what it should contain, with general agreement it should not carry balanced recommendations. Dunphy, in his opening, said cutting that report this year left the mayor's proposed budget appearing to \"come out of a black box.\" Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said she would accept a report framed as analysis but not one resembling a budget proposal.\n\nLevine described scenario guidance built around cut targets such as 3% and 10% from current service level. Ryan said, \"I find across-the-board cuts to be lazy and not very strategic\" ([01:05:51](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@01:05:51)). Morillo cautioned against asking for deeper cuts than needed, citing employee morale after years of feared layoffs, and said the council learned merit increases went unawarded to non-represented staff because some bureaus budgeted for them and some did not.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) and Zimmerman opened a question over who sets bureau performance goals. Kanal said clearance rates are absent from Portland Police Bureau performance metrics and that goals shift when the chief changes ([01:17:15](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@01:17:15)). Zimmerman argued the executive budget must come from the executive but said he was \"alarmed\" at \"how few bureau directors seem to have a command of their information\" ([01:19:03](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@01:19:03)). City Administrator Raymond C. Lee said the budget \"tells the story of what are the priorities of the city\" and that a strategic plan to align bureau priorities is a multi-year process he could not guarantee would finish within this budget.\n\n## Community engagement tools\n\nMembers backed reviving \"budget mapping,\" which ties spending to geographic areas. Dunphy said he has a resolution drafted and heard repeated requests from East Portland; Kanal and Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) supported it. Avalos said she would not simply restart budget advisory committees, which \"tend to get a little gatekeepy,\" and wanted a redesign. Novick proposed a citywide citizen-jury of about 24 paid, representative residents. Pirtle-Guiney pressed for an interactive public tool letting Portlanders weigh program-level trade-offs, with results reported as public trends. Several members praised how District 2 ran joint engagement sessions with Mayor Keith Wilson.\n\n## Clash over the draft budget calendar\n\nDunphy circulated a draft 2027 budget calendar and said he intends the council to adopt a calendar at the fall trailing amendment ordinance, with those readings falling across October. Smith objected that the draft presumed Dunphy would remain council president: \"This is under the assumption that you're going to be president\" ([02:15:03](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@02:15:03)). Dunphy answered, \"No, ma'am, absolutely not. I will not be the council president\" ([02:15:16](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@02:15:16)), and said any calendar would be \"written in pencil, not in stone.\" Smith said a new president deserved the same flexibility to build their own calendar and asked that dates not be penciled in as though settled.\n\nPirtle-Guiney and Green defended having a detailed draft. Green said, \"it'd be wildly irresponsible to not put forward a calendar now,\" adding that \"no council action that can ever bind a future council\" ([02:21:05](meeting:2026-09-10-ws-1@02:21:05)). Biery cautioned members not to \"lean too heavily into the dates right now\" pending technical review. Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) said the council's job is to set shared policy direction and that it must do so to hold the administration accountable. Kanal raised funded positions left unfilled — at the emergency management bureau, a seismic-hub planner, and a council operations engagement role — and pushed for transparency into multi-year contracts, citing the Portland Tennis Center.\n\nNo public testimony was taken; work sessions do not accept it. Councilors Avalos and Clark participated virtually.\n\n## What's next\n\nBiery said a financial stabilization work session is set for **September 23**, with recommendations he expects to connect to the ideas raised. Dunphy will seek feedback on the draft calendar over the coming weeks and intends the council to adopt a budget calendar at the fall trailing amendment ordinance. Levine scheduled staff-and-council workshops on program-offer materials for September 21 and 22. Insight Survey data from the 2026 survey is expected in early 2027. Members flagged unresolved threads for later sessions: setting bureau performance goals and their timing, contracting-out and span-of-control review, and whether to revive budget advisory committees, which Kanal said he plans to bring to a Committee of the Whole.", "summaryText": "Portland's budget team laid out four areas of possible changes to the city budget process for the 2027-28 cycle at a September 10 work session, taking direction from the 12-member council but casting nothing as a recommendation and taking no vote.\n\nChief Financial Officer Jonas Biery and Budget Director Ruth Levine presented options grouped into four themes — information access, decision-making support, community engagement, and budget accuracy — each option flagged as easy, challenging, or medium to implement. Biery told councilors the options were \"a synthesis of the feedback that we've heard\" and that \"nothing in here is identified as a recommendation.\" Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) ran the queue and held members to five minutes per theme.\n\nThe sharpest agreement of the afternoon came on how budget information reaches the council. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said she wanted line-by-line data showing programs, dollars, and staffing counts. \"I don't need a story for you to explain. I just need a spreadsheet,\" she said (00:35:05), and objected to internal-fee charges she put at rising 22% a year. Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) said forward-facing budget documents carry too much internal accounting data, pointing to fund transfers of $500,000 between identical line items as meaningless for decisions. \"Names help, numbers don't,\" he said (00:47:46).\n\nCouncilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) asked the team to restore the program-offer detail published under the former form of government. Levine said program offers still exist in the budget book but changed with new software, and are tied to the city's SAP financial system, making a full overhaul a multi-year effort. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) said his office got answers when it asked but the process is \"under-resourced relative to the demand,\" and urged the next proposed budget to fund training so council staff can run standardized data queries. Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) and Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) asked for standardized one-page bureau summaries; Ryan wanted a 5- and 10-year look-back and figures on money going to private and nonprofit partners.\n\nOn decision-making, Biery said members disagree over whether to keep the City Administrator's budget report and what it should contain, with general agreement it should not carry balanced recommendations. Dunphy, in his opening, said cutting that report this year left the mayor's proposed budget appearing to \"come out of a black box.\" Councilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said she would accept a report framed as analysis but not one resembling a budget proposal.\n\nLevine described scenario guidance built around cut targets such as 3% and 10% from current service level. Ryan said, \"I find across-the-board cuts to be lazy and not very strategic\" (01:05:51). Morillo cautioned against asking for deeper cuts than needed, citing employee morale after years of feared layoffs, and said the council learned merit increases went unawarded to non-represented staff because some bureaus budgeted for them and some did not.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) and Zimmerman opened a question over who sets bureau performance goals. Kanal said clearance rates are absent from Portland Police Bureau performance metrics and that goals shift when the chief changes (01:17:15). Zimmerman argued the executive budget must come from the executive but said he was \"alarmed\" at \"how few bureau directors seem to have a command of their information\" (01:19:03). City Administrator Raymond C. Lee said the budget \"tells the story of what are the priorities of the city\" and that a strategic plan to align bureau priorities is a multi-year process he could not guarantee would finish within this budget.\n\nMembers backed reviving \"budget mapping,\" which ties spending to geographic areas. Dunphy said he has a resolution drafted and heard repeated requests from East Portland; Kanal and Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1) supported it. Avalos said she would not simply restart budget advisory committees, which \"tend to get a little gatekeepy,\" and wanted a redesign. Novick proposed a citywide citizen-jury of about 24 paid, representative residents. Pirtle-Guiney pressed for an interactive public tool letting Portlanders weigh program-level trade-offs, with results reported as public trends. Several members praised how District 2 ran joint engagement sessions with Mayor Keith Wilson.\n\nDunphy circulated a draft 2027 budget calendar and said he intends the council to adopt a calendar at the fall trailing amendment ordinance, with those readings falling across October. Smith objected that the draft presumed Dunphy would remain council president: \"This is under the assumption that you're going to be president\" (02:15:03). Dunphy answered, \"No, ma'am, absolutely not. I will not be the council president\" (02:15:16), and said any calendar would be \"written in pencil, not in stone.\" Smith said a new president deserved the same flexibility to build their own calendar and asked that dates not be penciled in as though settled.\n\nPirtle-Guiney and Green defended having a detailed draft. Green said, \"it'd be wildly irresponsible to not put forward a calendar now,\" adding that \"no council action that can ever bind a future council\" (02:21:05). Biery cautioned members not to \"lean too heavily into the dates right now\" pending technical review. Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) said the council's job is to set shared policy direction and that it must do so to hold the administration accountable. Kanal raised funded positions left unfilled — at the emergency management bureau, a seismic-hub planner, and a council operations engagement role — and pushed for transparency into multi-year contracts, citing the Portland Tennis Center.\n\nNo public testimony was taken; work sessions do not accept it. Councilors Avalos and Clark participated virtually.\n\nBiery said a financial stabilization work session is set for September 23, with recommendations he expects to connect to the ideas raised. Dunphy will seek feedback on the draft calendar over the coming weeks and intends the council to adopt a budget calendar at the fall trailing amendment ordinance. Levine scheduled staff-and-council workshops on program-offer materials for September 21 and 22. Insight Survey data from the 2026 survey is expected in early 2027. Members flagged unresolved threads for later sessions: setting bureau performance goals and their timing, contracting-out and span-of-control review, and whether to revive budget advisory committees, which Kanal said he plans to bring to a Committee of the Whole.", "summaryLede": "Portland's budget team laid out four areas of possible changes to the city budget process for the 2027-28 cycle at a September 10 work session, taking direction from the 12-member council but casting nothing as a recommendation and taking no vote.", "sections": [ { "title": "Introduction and Work Session Context", "startTime": "00:06:39.740", "endTime": "00:19:42.631", "items": [ { "title": "Opening Remarks and Meeting Purpose", "startTime": "00:06:39.740", "endTime": "00:11:39.341" }, { "title": "Overview of Budget Process Revisions", "startTime": "00:11:39.341", "endTime": "00:19:42.631" } ] }, { "title": "Theme 1: Information Access and Transparency", "startTime": "00:19:42.631", "endTime": "00:57:30.076", "items": [ { "title": "Presentation on Information Access and Financial Data", "startTime": "00:19:42.631", "endTime": "00:26:14.589" }, { "title": "Council Discussion on Program Offers and Budget Detail", "startTime": "00:26:14.589", "endTime": "00:57:30.076" } ] }, { "title": "Theme 2: Evaluating Budget Alternatives and Strategic Decision-Making", "startTime": "00:57:30.076", "endTime": "01:37:52.720", "items": [ { "title": "Presentation on Evaluating Bureau Options and Trade-offs", "startTime": "00:57:30.076", "endTime": "01:05:29.992" }, { "title": "Council Discussion on Strategic Options and Performance Metrics", "startTime": "01:05:29.992", "endTime": "01:24:23.757" }, { "title": "Recess and Break", "startTime": "01:24:23.757", "endTime": "01:37:52.720" } ] }, { "title": "Theme 3: Public Engagement and Budget Advisory Committees", "startTime": "01:37:52.720", "endTime": "02:02:11.733", "items": [ { "title": "Discussion on Budget Advisory Committees (BACs) Role", "startTime": 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"speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-17", "start": 463.709, "end": 471.708, "text": "As we— and to tell them exactly what it is we want to see and where there is limited capacity, what we want for them to do first.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-18", "start": 472.366, "end": 475.508, "text": "Where there's a misunderstanding or confusion, for us to find a way to clarity.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-19", "start": 476.165, "end": 480.974, "text": "CBO is going to be on deck to begin communicating with new expectations to bureaus very soon.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-20", "start": 481.022, "end": 484.212, "text": "So it's up to us to get those expectations solidified.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-21", "start": 485.142, "end": 491.137, "text": "The staff presentation today is going to lay out some key areas that council has taken interest in with some options for how we could approach each.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { 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task should start with is us all at the same table with the same information.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-35", "start": 602.386, "end": 603.387, "text": "We're a government in transition.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-36", "start": 603.935, "end": 609.63, "text": "The city has a longstanding practice of using bulk appropriations and non-standardized budgeting practices across bureaus.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-37", "start": 610.227, "end": 621.107, "text": "In a world where commissioners were the executives in small portfolios of bureaus where legislative and executive actions were mixed and there was not really a single central city, this was problematic but at least natural.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-38", "start": 621.604, "end": 636.732, "text": "And here on council, I think we have a lot of agitation about missing information that— about missing information that is that the budgeting practices have not really changed, but the law controlling how the legislative and administrative— administration communicate very much has.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 637.389, "end": 639.571, "text": "We haven't created norms that serve us adequately.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 640.614, "end": 647.208, "text": "It's also worth saying that the city administrator is trying to centralize and standardize how bureau budgets— bureaus budget and report.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 647.593, "end": 650.08, "text": "But this work also has not been completed yet.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 650.866, "end": 659.722, "text": "Sometimes when a councilor does not know what something in the budget means or does, what does the enterprise service line in Bureau X or Y actually mean?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 659.77, "end": 661.23, "text": "The city budget office also doesn't know.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 662.257, "end": 668.498, "text": "I want to remind us all that this is what we're solving for, in addition to shaking out the relationship between the executive and the legislative branches.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 668.626, "end": 671.477, "text": "So As always, let's keep it clean.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 671.686, "end": 673.378, "text": "No slide tackles, hands above the waist.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 673.442, "end": 674.28, "text": "Let's have fun out there.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 674.715, "end": 675.714, "text": "Ruth and Jonas, take it away.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 677.3, "end": 677.575, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 678.224, "end": 680.415, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 680.48, "end": 683.465, "text": "We'll keep our yellow cards handy if necessary.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 684.618, "end": 687.562, "text": "For the record, Jonas Biery, the city's Chief Financial Officer.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 688.42, "end": 689.795, "text": "And thank you, Council President, for the introduction.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 691.12, "end": 697.798, "text": "I'm going to kind of expand on, I think, a lot of what you said about the process to get here and kind of set the stage a little bit as we launch.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 699.342, "end": 703.206, "text": "So as you mentioned, why are we having this work session?", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 703.334, "end": 710.211, "text": "Over the last 2 months since adoption of the '26-'27 budget, we often think of it as a pause.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 710.724, "end": 711.333, "text": "We didn't pause.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 712.07, "end": 725.455, "text": "We immediately, as soon as that ink was dry, began doing robust and intentional after-action activities so that we could try to identify the opportunities to present to you today for potential budget process improvements.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 725.936, "end": 744.33, "text": "We received feedback from council, from community members, and from internal technical budget So the information presented today is kind of our attempt to synthesize that feedback that we've collected for feedback, for consideration and discussion and feedback from Council.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 745.3, "end": 759.73, "text": "I think some— the good news side of this equation is that that additional coordinated dialogue has helped us identify opportunities that we think generally align for Council, for the public, and for the administration.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 759.73, "end": 760.79, "text": "We'll talk about that in a second.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 760.79, "end": 775.774, "text": "I'd say in particular, the work that we've done with the City Budget Office, In particular, largely hearing a request for consistency in process and in expectations, which will then enhance accuracy, will enhance timeliness, and ultimately support decision-making all along the chain.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 776.431, "end": 779.621, "text": "And so I think that'll be an important kind of baseline.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 780.519, "end": 787.701, "text": "And I want to acknowledge that, as you know, we're also working on developing actions related to broader financial stabilization.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-65", 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"start": 817.796, "end": 820.286, "text": "So it is critical for us today to get your thoughts and input.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 820.351, "end": 820.495, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 821.026, "end": 826.277, "text": "Because we really begin the preliminary work on the '27-'28 budget right now.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 826.826, "end": 832.486, "text": "A lot of the work that happens behind the scenes and under the ocean really does start in September.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 832.566, "end": 838.566, "text": "And so it's really critical that we have your perspective as we begin doing that work, getting ready for spring.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 840.668, "end": 845.114, "text": "So the agenda today, kind of run of show, is that I'm going to provide some quick background.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": 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"cue-199", "start": 1552.871, "end": 1554.176, "text": "But feel free to take it away.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1554.402, "end": 1554.563, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1554.724, "end": 1560.665, "text": "And colleagues, both in your inbox and on your desk in front of you, there is a draft very, very, very much so draft.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1560.713, "end": 1570.512, "text": "This is something my staff threw together of a potential calendar of what the year might look like, just so you can physically look at it, but also interested in just getting folks' feedback.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1570.578, "end": 1572.377, "text": "So folks, feel free to jump into the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1574.59, "end": 1575.123, "text": "Councilor Maria.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1576.789, "end": 1577.904, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1578.179, "end": 1584.696, "text": "Thank you both so much for being here and for being willing to talk even more postmortem about the budget and what we can do differently this time.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1585.227, "end": 1586.126, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1586.207, "end": 1589.678, "text": "I think that this year's budget cycle was a lot better than the first time around.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1589.742, "end": 1593.904, "text": "And so I think there were already huge improvements made from our user standpoint.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1594, "end": 1600.01, "text": "And I think having shared information as councilors, I took a lot of notes on this prior.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" 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"text": "So the program offers are there.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1711.956, "end": 1719.614, "text": "They have changed slightly since the before times, but we are also totally open to changing what information is in there to help you yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1719.727, "end": 1720.665, "text": "Get what you need to know.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1720.859, "end": 1729.039, "text": "I think, so, you know, encourage folks to obviously look at the adopted budget book online and look at the dashboard.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1729.104, "end": 1753.186, "text": "But also I've set up 2, like, workshops, I think I called them, on the 21st and 22nd of this month for council staff and for council and staff to look at, like, hold up program, hold up whatever piece of information it is, and we can talk more in detail about what what it is that you're not finding 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"cue-233", "start": 1774.291, "end": 1775.736, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1775.833, "end": 1776.856, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1778.414, "end": 1779.534, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1781.71, "end": 1789.76, "text": "Um, first of all, I want to start with a thank you to our budget team for including that current service level identification this year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1789.856, "end": 1791.433, "text": "I think that fits within this category.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1792.03, "end": 1806.754, "text": "That was really helpful for me in understanding not just what the across-the-board increased— increases in costs are but what we have been doing and how, how we're going to be able to 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don't want this theme to drop off of our to-do list or out of our conversations because I do need to— I do think that we need to move away not just from listing our appropriations as bulk appropriations in the budget book and the information that's publicly available, but from budgeting in bulk appropriations.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1866.452, "end": 1873.568, "text": "I think a position-by-position budget is too heavy-handed and too detailed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1874.197, "end": 1886, "text": "We need our bureau directors to have the flexibility to do the work that we are asking them to get done, and we need to understand that sometimes midway through the year there are changes in priorities that they have to be able to carry out.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1887.33, "end": 1906.856, "text": "But there has to be a level that is somewhere in between the bulk 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}, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1941.715, "end": 1943.286, "text": "Can I just add one quick thing?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1944.023, "end": 1945.771, "text": "Didn't exclude it on purpose, one.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1946.139, "end": 1947.486, "text": "Two, so thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1948.271, "end": 1954.586, "text": "Two, I just, in part for folks who are listening, I think there's maybe a little bit of confusion, at least in the difference in the way people talk about things.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1955.74, "end": 1963.21, "text": "The appropriation schedule that you all adopt is set by the categories that are laid out in Oregon budget law.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1963.434, "end": 1966.656, "text": "So program expenditures, contingency, debt.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 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work, but it is a theme that comes out of these after-actions every year that I want to make sure we don't lose as we are talking about how we build the budget for next year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 2064.317, "end": 2081.892, "text": "And Councilor, I might add to take this opportunity so I don't have to say this like 20 times today, but bring that energy as well when we talk about financial stabilization, because I think there'll be a close connection to thinking about how we recraft those policies in the context of the stabilization actions that's very closely related.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 2081.956, "end": 2083.722, "text": "And so I think that will occur a lot today.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 2083.899, "end": 2087.463, "text": "I'm not going to say it 20 times, but wanted to take this opportunity to drop that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 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"id": "cue-282", "start": 2112.14, "end": 2135.585, "text": "I want some spreadsheets, and I want the spreadsheets to include the document that I gave you from the county with the year over for the last 2 years, which, um, funding is— which program is being paid for with, um, restricted dollars, um, general fund dollars On one page so that I can see if this is a new program or old program.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 2136.194, "end": 2146.481, "text": "I, I— it's really difficult for me to have a, a story, and I keep saying the same thing, having those stories, um, it just only irritates me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2147.908, "end": 2149.959, "text": "I don't need a story for you to explain.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2150.135, "end": 2150.968, "text": "I just need a spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2151.417, "end": 2153.981, "text": "Let me see what— what did we have this program last year?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2154.077, "end": 2154.75, "text": "How much did we pay?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2154.862, "end": 2156.689, "text": "How many FTEs did we have?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2156.753, "end": 2156.929, "text": "Councilwoman.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2157.9, "end": 2159.564, "text": "How many FTs are we losing?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2159.855, "end": 2163.571, "text": "I can see the up and over, so I can see where the changes are.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2164.459, "end": 2170.417, "text": "It, um, it is distracting to have everything in paragraph form.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2171.22, "end": 2173.036, "text": "It would make our lives a whole lot easier.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2173.791, "end": 2184.041, "text": "And I would challenge you all, and I wouldn't mind taking a road trip one day and just going over and getting the, the last year's budget of Multnomah County and us sitting through it and going through it so you can see it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2184.138, "end": 2184.235, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2186.39, "end": 2187.88, "text": "I don't want to keep saying it 20 times.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2188.009, "end": 2188.835, "text": "I don't have anything else.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2188.899, "end": 2194.225, "text": "I love this, this, this new way you all changed things around.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2194.5, "end": 2198.251, "text": "Council President had some suggestions that were really good in terms of what we hear.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2198.607, "end": 2200.256, "text": "And so I'm good with it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2201.921, "end": 2206.301, "text": "I think a lot of this will be solved if you just give us a spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2207.334, "end": 2208.788, "text": "I know the mayor uses a spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2208.868, "end": 2211.226, "text": "He's getting a spreadsheet of some stuff, but we're not getting the spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2211.274, "end": 2211.759, "text": "I'm going to get you a spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2211.85, "end": 2211.962, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2212.443, "end": 2219.366, "text": "So I just want to see how many, how many, how many, um, FTEs are we cutting this year so I can see directly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2219.415, "end": 2220.665, "text": "Go to it, go to the page.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2221.162, "end": 2228.438, "text": "It just makes it easier because when we have to keep coming back to you and reading through all this stuff and say we took 24%— that's the other thing, you all use percentages.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2229.095, "end": 2230.057, "text": "Don't give me a percentage.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2230.153, "end": 2234.4, "text": "Tell me in dollars, in cents, how much are we reducing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2234.464, "end": 2242.404, "text": "When you say we're reducing this by 24% and then don't tell me what that reduction— what number that reduction is, That's a problem.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2242.969, "end": 2251.554, "text": "It's— I don't— the storybooks, the percentages, just give me a spreadsheet and all of our lives will be much better.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2252.428, "end": 2252.768, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2254.773, "end": 2255.55, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2256.051, "end": 2257.006, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2257.75, "end": 2258.979, "text": "Yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2259.141, "end": 2260.832, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2261.502, "end": 2262.467, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2262.532, "end": 2263.235, "text": "I've started my timer.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2264.66, "end": 2265.532, "text": "Um, uh, thanks so much.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2265.597, "end": 2265.943, "text": "I just—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2265.943, "end": 2268.197, "text": "I'm going to echo some things for the sake of brevity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2268.698, "end": 2272.007, "text": "I echo that it was an improvement from the first year.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2272.778, "end": 2275.476, "text": "I really want to laud the diligent work that y'all are doing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2276.777, "end": 2286.446, "text": "My office, when we had questions, we got answers to those questions, but that interaction is under-resourced relative to the demand of the questions.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2286.511, "end": 2300.51, "text": "And so I'm glad to see on one of the slides that you guys are grappling with the challenging sort of feedback that how do we get It's important to be honest that there are constraints.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2301.19, "end": 2308.87, "text": "And if we have to talk about how to resource to invest in those, that's what we need to do as a budget committee.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2311.05, "end": 2321.27, "text": "I would like to think that we could front-load this more, but I think at the end of the day, we're always going to have a situation where we respond to the mayor's proposed budget because Oregon budget law sets a certain thing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2321.27, "end": 2321.39, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2321.95, "end": 2329.983, "text": "And so I want the next proposed budget to contemplate an investment in our ability to staff up that capability.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2330.418, "end": 2332.216, "text": "And if it's in the CBO, that's great.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2332.947, "end": 2338.827, "text": "If it's contemplating training council operations staff or some FTEs that have the right skill set, that's also fine.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2340.927, "end": 2347.221, "text": "I think that maybe some training— I think it's mentioned here, but some training for councilor staff Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2347.397, "end": 2353.125, "text": "To, to engage in that SAP query on a standardized basis so we can trust each other when we do that work.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2353.189, "end": 2358.563, "text": "Because some of our offices do that, but I think it's like if it doesn't come from the CBO, then it's not real.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" 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"cue-392", "start": 2636.989, "end": 2637.966, "text": "Yeah, let's work on that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2639.923, "end": 2649.868, "text": "Answering your questions that I see here, Yes, I want to hear about the work areas before, and before we go into the proposed.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2650.012, "end": 2661.336, "text": "And I think adding on to what Councilor Novick said, I think them coming with a standard one-pager is a really good idea, and we'll figure out what that looks like.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2661.962, "end": 2667.729, "text": "But in that, include the money that goes both to our private sector and our nonprofit sector partners.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2667.793, "end": 2667.905, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2670.169, "end": 2679.94, "text": "I think that 1-year look back is necessary, but as a 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"text": "So it's really important for me to see how many people it takes to do this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2714.552, "end": 2726.678, "text": "Oh, the one final thing I would add, when they give their presentations, I'm always missing a crisp summary of what their 3 to 5 strategies are, like what matters to them.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2726.839, "end": 2733.085, "text": "When we're in an efficiency crisis, I want to hear what they must— what we must invest in.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2733.599, "end": 2737.725, "text": "Like these are our top 3 to 5 things that we must do at the Bureau this year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2738.56, "end": 2743.12, "text": "And in that measures how they're measuring success with each of those.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2744.341, "end": 2748.371, "text": "And then we'll get to this continuous improvement 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"text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2771.75, "end": 2773.37, "text": "So, um, thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2773.694, "end": 2778.363, "text": "Uh, I think lots of the councilors have raised many similar things that I would say.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2778.844, "end": 2796.87, "text": "I think what I'd add to this is as it relates to staff support and data access, as you all know, as I've shared multiple times, that I care a lot about how we train not only ourselves but also future councilors because we are standing up a new form of government.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2797.191, "end": 2798.089, "text": "Excuse me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2799.259, "end": 2799.372, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2799.981, "end": 2810.819, "text": "And so I would love for I think it's important for us to think about how we're providing not just all of the information to councilors, but how to navigate the information.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2811.159, "end": 2829.424, "text": "I have been sitting looking in the— I guess they gave us 2 binders of the budget, the current fiscal year budget, and I sat down with CFO Biery to just be like, can you just show me where are the important places to focus so that I'm using my energy wisely?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2829.489, "end": 2832.205, "text": "Because obviously It's a lot of information to take in.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2832.253, "end": 2834.837, "text": "And so I would love to see more effort.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2834.885, "end": 2841.673, "text": "And I am— that's part of why I'm doing this with the CFO, because I'm trying to help create those kinds of systems.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2841.721, "end": 2842.732, "text": "It's the educator in me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2842.828, "end": 2843.711, "text": "I can't help it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2844.272, "end": 2848.043, "text": "But I really think that would be helpful to just not only have as much information.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2848.123, "end": 2851.606, "text": "I think everyone has shared the ways that we should have it or what types.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2851.654, "end": 2857.607, "text": "I think all of that is well and good, but how to navigate the information I think is more key, at least for me.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2858.78, "end": 2860.29, "text": "Um, I'll leave it at that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2860.643, "end": 2860.9, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2861.848, "end": 2862.636, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2862.732, "end": 2863.375, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2866.428, "end": 2866.813, "text": "Uh, thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2867.167, "end": 2872.416, "text": "The spreadsheets and straightforwardness is important from an access perspective though.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2872.481, "end": 2883.679, "text": "I think too much of the budget offices— and I say that broadly with different budget groups— too much of the back-of-house data is used in the forward-facing documents.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2884.219, "end": 2898.68, "text": "And I'll give an example of fund INV-002-123 transfers $500,000 to the same exact thing, but -104 is a meaningless document when it comes to decision-making.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2899.065, "end": 2901.477, "text": "And we have way too much of that that is coming forward.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2902.657, "end": 2914.539, "text": "And so I really, to Councilor Smith's point, it was like, I don't want to have to keep saying it, because what, what is great about the spreadsheet is that we also get a program description.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2915.294, "end": 2916.804, "text": "Names help, numbers don't.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2917.142, "end": 2918.283, "text": "Numbers and titles don't.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2918.347, "end": 2919.97, "text": "Numbers and actual budgets do.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2920.757, "end": 2926.542, "text": "But that rears its ugly little head in way too many places, and it, it means one of two things to me.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2926.783, "end": 2943.894, "text": "Either there is a lack of understanding about how nonfunctional that description is for funds, Or it is a strange bureaucratic practice of you don't have our decoder ring, and so we don't want you to know.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2944.279, "end": 2945.37, "text": "And I don't think that's the case.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2945.739, "end": 2948.916, "text": "And so I think it is just a matter of we've got to get descriptions.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2949.012, "end": 2956.215, "text": "And so data and access— and it is a little frustrating to have to say it because it should never have actually been presented.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 2956.264, "end": 2959.536, "text": "And we see it in ordinances and we see it in budget a lot.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 2959.777, "end": 2971.273, "text": "And so that has made it, um, challenging to make decisions because we get way too wrapped around back-of-house details when we just needed the first and the last, not all the in-betweeners.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 2971.611, "end": 2974.412, "text": "So I concur with everything else.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 2974.509, "end": 2976.634, "text": "I just wanted to highlight that last piece for me anyway.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 2977.97, "end": 2978.758, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 2978.871, "end": 2980.529, "text": "Councilor Kanal, last word and we'll move to the next section.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2982.891, "end": 2983.262, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2983.455, "end": 2986.659, "text": "Appreciate you all being here and thanks for the opportunity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2987.4, "end": 2990.604, "text": "In addition to reiterating everything we said in the last 2 conversations, I know this is coming later.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2990.669, "end": 3001.852, "text": "Since it was brought up, I would prefer commitment items i agree with Councilor Morillo about budgets including program offers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3002.013, "end": 3003.104, "text": "I like Option A on the whole.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3003.794, "end": 3008.642, "text": "I don't think we need more performance measures or equity analysis determined by the executive branch in here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3009.011, "end": 3013.393, "text": "This should be part of our direction to the bureaus or our consideration of the budget conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3013.89, "end": 3036.631, "text": "I don't like the idea of the bureau saying this is what we're here to accomplish when we established the bureau or our predecessors did for reasons that are often I do like improved consistency in equity analysis, but because of the inconsistency, I think it's probably something that, that shouldn't be assessed by the people proposing the change because there's an incentive there to say it's going to be good for equity no matter what.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3037.434, "end": 3038.093, "text": "I like Option B.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3038.318, "end": 3042.222, "text": "Uh, we need to see it before the mayor is proposed no matter what the, the schedules.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3042.43, "end": 3046.174, "text": "I, I'll also add that I need Portland Solutions to be as early as possible.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3046.334, "end": 3051.986, "text": "And generally, if you think council may propose more amendments to a service area, that's a reason it should go first.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3052.676, "end": 3060.186, "text": "Um, we've seen that, that scheduling it after the amendment deadline was done to make it harder for us to go into the Portland Solutions budget this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3060.78, "end": 3068.418, "text": "Um, so I think getting that earlier, um, in particular for that one, which is the thing I think most of us hear about the most and out in community, would be great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3068.9, "end": 3070.28, "text": "I like Option C, no notes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3070.489, "end": 3071.788, "text": "I like Option D, no notes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3072.494, "end": 3075.832, "text": "Um, I disagree with the CSL conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3075.88, "end": 3080.326, "text": "I think it distin— it erases the distinction between ongoing and one-time.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3080.776, "end": 3094.418, "text": "And I'd like to move back towards the idea that things that were funded with one-time dollars should be one-time, instead of establishing a benchmark that we're then comparing ourselves to that assumes that things that were funded last year with one-time dollars will continue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3095.606, "end": 3099.875, "text": "Um, and then finally, I agree with Councilor Smith on spreadsheets and everything Councilor Zimmerman just said.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3100.196, "end": 3100.453, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 3101.159, "end": 3101.865, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 3104.193, "end": 3104.836, "text": "On to Section 2.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 3106.764, "end": 3107.102, "text": "Awesome.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 3107.487, "end": 3107.937, "text": "Thank you guys.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 3107.986, "end": 3113.147, "text": "That's fantastic and well-formed and very much appreciated.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 3113.549, "end": 3138.952, "text": "Maybe before we move to 2, I do want to just circle back because I think one of the things that I keep coming back to as I've been thinking about improvements, and Ruth maybe is less enthusiastic about this than I am, but I'd really emphasize maybe putting some energy into looking at those existing dashboards because I think that is a really good construct to execute a lot of the things that I've heard just in the first 30 minutes of this conversation today.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 3139.37, "end": 3152.59, "text": "It's a lot of work to execute that, but I think we've really got the bones there to start delivering on some of what was just discussed, particularly in the vein of describing program histories, outcomes, changes, et cetera.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 3153.103, "end": 3156.456, "text": "So just as we move this conversation forward, would be helpful.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3156.553, "end": 3156.681, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3157.146, "end": 3158.845, "text": "Maybe draw some attention back to that as well.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3159.887, "end": 3164.632, "text": "All right, moving to theme 2, which was decision-making.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3164.697, "end": 3165.626, "text": "Real quick, Jonas.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3165.755, "end": 3166.155, "text": "Sure, go ahead.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 3166.236, "end": 3169.025, "text": "Sorry, just on that, I'm glad that you raised that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3169.362, "end": 3180.455, "text": "I don't know if it's possible to make that dashboard be able to export like detail at a good format and level, but if that's a thing that we can flip a switch on, that would be— that would solve most of my problems.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3180.872, "end": 3181.048, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3181.593, "end": 3182.154, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3183.437, "end": 3186.435, "text": "All right, so theme 2, decision-making support.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3187.14, "end": 3201.215, "text": "General feedback here summarizing what's on the page, but suggestion that budget development guidance should include multiple scenarios, including both add guidance in reduction years and reduction guidance or reduction scenarios in add years.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-495", "start": 3202.065, "end": 3218.786, "text": "So not just looking at one side of that equation, ensuring that prior council legislative directives are included in Bureau I'll say there's an area of the first appearance of the word disagreement, but there is disagreement about whether to issue a CA report, what should be included.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-496", "start": 3218.834, "end": 3226.092, "text": "I think general agreement that if it proceeds, that it shouldn't be overly specific and certainly shouldn't have balanced recommendations.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-497", "start": 3227.232, "end": 3231.166, "text": "Feedback about relaunching or reconsideration of the budget equity tool.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-498", "start": 3231.889, "end": 3246.937, "text": "On the administrative side, administrative staff really value clarity of about the process and communication related to decision-making so that they're clear about why and how and when they are doing some of the work behind the scenes to produce that information.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-499", "start": 3247.599, "end": 3253.639, "text": "Clear desire for broader employee input and engagement, including doing that earlier in the process.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-500", "start": 3254.627, "end": 3259.201, "text": "And then some thought around potential adjustments related to amendments.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-501", "start": 3261.31, "end": 3261.47, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-502", "start": 3262.6, "end": 3263.258, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-503", "start": 3263.355, "end": 3266.585, "text": "So the first of these is pretty straightforward.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3266.714, "end": 3272.869, "text": "It's the scenario-based guidance for— that comes out typically in November.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3272.999, "end": 3274.905, "text": "Budget guidance typically comes out in November.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3278.6, "end": 3285.941, "text": "You know, this, for example, contemplates like you could give a request for up to 3% increases for specific priorities.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3286.457, "end": 3289.171, "text": "Guidance in general could be connected to policy priorities.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3292.234, "end": 3299.287, "text": "Given by the mayor and/or by council in, you know, either more or less formal fashion.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3301.212, "end": 3314.149, "text": "A couple of things I want to know, I think it would be helpful to hear more on this about whether council wants to see multiple scenarios to achieve the same, say, 3% reduction, or whether you just want to see like the 3 and the 10.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3314.229, "end": 3315.195, "text": "I think we're going to see multiple scenarios.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3315.499, "end": 3321.891, "text": "So you could, you could give either A or B to get to 3%, or you could say A to get to 3% and B to get to 10%.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3322.601, "end": 3327.482, "text": "So that those 2 things play out differently in terms of how we run the process.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3329.09, "end": 3338.919, "text": "The CA report, you know, I think there's an option to kind of maybe hit some middle ground between what happened the past 2 years.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3338.967, "end": 3342.273, "text": "So last year was just gaps and surpluses from current service level.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3342.323, "end": 3342.843, "text": "I think that's what we're going to do.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3343.193, "end": 3345.142, "text": "The previous year had recommendations.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3345.207, "end": 3345.98, "text": "So real—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3345.996, "end": 3347.478, "text": "Sorry, real quick question from Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3347.526, "end": 3349.765, "text": "I'm sorry, could be an after-lunch moment.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3349.942, "end": 3352.165, "text": "Um, what did you just say, 3% or 10%?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3352.617, "end": 3353.296, "text": "I think I lost that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3353.425, "end": 3363.319, "text": "So sorry, say if there's— like last year, the guidance— what the scenario guidance was, 3% and 10% there of a cut from the year before.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3363.529, "end": 3364.128, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3364.322, "end": 3367.744, "text": "From, from, yeah, from current service level.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3367.848, "end": 3368.264, "text": "But yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3368.707, "end": 3375.068, "text": "And, and you might say, I want to see— you could do option A or option B to get to 3%.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3377.081, "end": 3383.148, "text": "That may not always make sense, but that, that's not— you know, council may want to see multiple ways to get to the same sort of dollar figure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3384.067, "end": 3392.004, "text": "Or you might just say 3% is one level of cut, 10% is another level of cut, or you might, you know, interpolate and pick one in the middle.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3392.403, "end": 3400.148, "text": "Um, so that's kind of what I'm— it's I guess the reason I bring it up, it's harder to get A and B that both get you to 3%.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3400.549, "end": 3402.17, "text": "It's just a harder thing to collect.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3402.218, "end": 3403.952, "text": "Our systems aren't set up for that right now.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3404.546, "end": 3412.764, "text": "But so I wanted to hear feedback on whether that is of value to Council or not, or if you're just interested in like, if you cut by this much, this is what happens.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3412.828, "end": 3415.124, "text": "If you cut by a bigger number, this is what happens.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-534", "start": 3415.236, "end": 3418.896, "text": "If you add by a small number, this is what we would prioritize.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3419.329, "end": 3419.939, "text": "So that's the question.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3420.372, "end": 3420.774, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3420.934, "end": 3422.315, "text": "You answered my clarifying question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3422.363, "end": 3422.443, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3422.523, "end": 3423.085, "text": "And I'll reflect now.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3423.486, "end": 3425.124, "text": "2 more slides or something before we jump into—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3425.59, "end": 3426.039, "text": "Yes, yes, yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3426.104, "end": 3428.576, "text": "Okay, let's get through the slides and I'll get colleagues in the queue.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3428.817, "end": 3448.181, "text": "So yes, the potential, I guess, middle ground, maybe that's overly optimistic, is to have some sort of high-level options or levers that could be pulled, but not specific, like not like we're gonna cut 3, we would cut 3 staff from this program, but, you know, high level, what are the kinds of things that could be done?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3450.076, "end": 3462.565, "text": "The next one is sort of connected to that, is having some kind of template or way of describing to council and the public how a bureau chooses between different options.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3462.983, "end": 3472.438, "text": "So if we say, if we come forward and say we would propose to cut 3 staff from this program, well, what else did you consider and why is that the option you went with?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3473.497, "end": 3478.602, "text": "Theoretically, we could get to some sort of standardized template by which they're communicating that kind of information.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3478.651, "end": 3478.827, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3479.295, "end": 3481.103, "text": "I think it's a little challenging to do this year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3481.313, "end": 3488.867, "text": "We attempted it for '24-'25 before you all were here in that budget process, and it was challenging.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3490.044, "end": 3491.463, "text": "So that's another option.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3491.721, "end": 3497.101, "text": "And then the budget equity tool, again, it could be brought into something like that, right?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3497.15, "end": 3505.196, "text": "You could have analysis that said we brought forward this option because another option would have been worse for its equity impact.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3505.245, "end": 3505.294, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3505.57, "end": 3506.622, "text": "Or something along those lines.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3508.326, "end": 3516.87, "text": "Um, there's also the option to do something like quantifying investment in equity supports such as accessibility, translation, etc.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3518.425, "end": 3518.652, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3519.057, "end": 3529.218, "text": "Um, yeah, so our main questions are around the CA report, um, but just generally what's the most helpful for specifically around decision-making and your decision-making.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3529.331, "end": 3529.991, "text": "Perfect.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3530.055, "end": 3530.973, "text": "Councilor Smith, kick us off.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3536.28, "end": 3536.651, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3538.961, "end": 3543.533, "text": "So what I would like you to do is— so let me ask you if, if this is true or not.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3543.582, "end": 3544.535, "text": "Maybe I'm off.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3545.017, "end": 3555.259, "text": "I know at Multnomah County, because most of our money was— is from, uh, the BITI and property taxes, so every bureau knew that they were going to get a 3% bump every year.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3556.683, "end": 3564.036, "text": "So before you start doing it at 3 or 10 you're automatically giving the administration all the money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3564.244, "end": 3576.078, "text": "I want you to spread the— spread their 3% upgrade and then take the cut of how much cut you need to take away from them in dollars.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3576.126, "end": 3583.999, "text": "See, so after you, after you actually give them their 3%, then you say to them, I need you to cut XYZ dollars out of the budget.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3584.929, "end": 3586.083, "text": "And so I'm not seeing that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3586.164, "end": 3587.414, "text": "I'm not seeing the upgrade.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3587.462, "end": 3587.831, "text": "I'm not seeing the cut.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3588.536, "end": 3597.367, "text": "And the, the bureaus are not getting their proper upgrade, and it's being held— some of the money is being held in a fund.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3597.688, "end": 3604.547, "text": "So when you give your staff their salary upgrades, you have to wait until your money is spent before you get it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3605.044, "end": 3605.637, "text": "I don't want to do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3605.701, "end": 3609.627, "text": "Just give me all my money, all my money at once.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3609.932, "end": 3612.432, "text": "Yeah, so, um, thank you for pointing that out.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3612.977, "end": 3616.968, "text": "That what you just described is aligned with how we were previously doing it.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3617.064, "end": 3627.304, "text": "So we, we took What was called compensation set aside, which accounted for COLA, health benefit increases, and PERS, and occasionally other bits and pieces.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3627.896, "end": 3636.357, "text": "And we would collect it for all of the general fund bureaus, and we would stick it in a contingency account called salary contingency.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3637.495, "end": 3638.841, "text": "We would call it compensation set aside.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3639.21, "end": 3644.001, "text": "Starting in this fiscal year for '26-'27, in the proposed, we allocated it out.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3644.065, "end": 3644.129, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3647.268, "end": 3650.254, "text": "In '27-'28, the plan is to allocate it from the jump.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3650.367, "end": 3664.57, "text": "So we will never have the— we will do essentially what you just suggested, which is bureaus will have all of the money for all of their known inflationary increases on personnel.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3664.618, "end": 3665.359, "text": "No, no, no, no.", "speaker": "Loretta 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operating budget up through the BLT and through property taxes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3708.374, "end": 3712.99, "text": "But if you wait like you're suggesting, they're not getting their full 3%.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3713.865, "end": 3727.701, "text": "And for every— in order for everybody to get their full 3%, then he can say, I need everybody to take a 5% constraint after the money has been given, not whether they're worthy of it or not.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3728.311, "end": 3730.88, "text": "They get it, and that's what I'm used to.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3731.603, "end": 3735.938, "text": "And then once they get their money, and then, then he goes in and says, okay, I want a 10% constraint.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3736.516, "end": 3750.935, "text": "So based on getting their up, their 3%, then they will cut after that so that they at least get their staff's, you know, 3% COLA and all the other things that, that, that are used with their money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3751.901, "end": 3760.841, "text": "And don't forget the administrative costs for us to pay for, those are going up every year.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3760.921, "end": 3771.416, "text": "I mean, we cannot take the brunt of those internal costs and our benefit costs that are going up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3771.659, "end": 3776.255, "text": "I mean, we have to spot ourselves 22% every year 'cause that's gonna go up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3777.907, "end": 3780.503, "text": "And then having to, to, to, to get an increase.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3780.568, "end": 3788.067, "text": "And I don't like— and I'm just going to tell you, I don't like the fact that we met our operating budget based on increasing our internal fees.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3788.5, "end": 3789.237, "text": "They're ridiculous.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3789.381, "end": 3791.352, "text": "They're too high, period.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3792.266, "end": 3802.297, "text": "And so that's how we've been balancing in the budget, is getting ongoing money and, and charging the bureaus and the councilors additional internal fees.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3802.845, "end": 3803.815, "text": "That has to stop.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3805.254, "end": 3809.571, "text": "And I said I wasn't going to say anything today, but I can't help myself.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3810.95, "end": 3811.465, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3811.545, "end": 3812.367, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3812.415, "end": 3813.752, "text": "And I just— it may be helpful.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3813.88, "end": 3820.694, "text": "I think what you— the concept you described is consistent with what we do, but maybe something's being lost in translation.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3820.791, "end": 3828.496, "text": "So I'd be happy to— let's chat, um, and make sure that we're in alignment, or if not, I can get a better understanding of what you're looking for so we can carry that forward.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3830.184, "end": 3831.034, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3831.467, "end": 3832.156, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3832.733, "end": 3833.936, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3834.096, "end": 3839.338, "text": "Very briefly, an answer to your questions, because I think these are so incredibly important.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3839.483, "end": 3854.295, "text": "The way that you have laid out a CA report would make me comfortable, uh, doing it like the first year we were here, where, um, it looks like a budget proposal as opposed to an analysis of where we are at with the budget.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3854.953, "end": 3857.47, "text": "Would be very problematic to me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3858.464, "end": 3893.956, "text": "In terms of the puts and takes we want to see in cuts or adds from each bureau, if doing a comparison is so administratively cumbersome that it would prevent you from making other changes that might be more important, I think that can wait, but only if the direction coming from the mayor and the city administrator is to make deeper cuts than we think we need to make, because that will in effect give us options to choose between without you having to change the software to do a comparison.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3894.71, "end": 3906.119, "text": "I also think it's really important to be asking bureaus, and I know some of my colleagues have talked about this also, about ads as well as cuts, even in a cuts budget, and about cuts as well as ads, even in an ad budget.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3906.808, "end": 3914.587, "text": "But to have room for ads in a cuts budget We need to be asking bureaus what they would do to cut more than the average that we need to cut.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 3915.229, "end": 3929.526, "text": "And so I think it's really important to have proposals from bureaus that give us that space to look at different options, and then to be very clear with Portlanders that we're not saying every bureau is going to have to cut to that level.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 3929.992, "end": 3936.523, "text": "We are asking for more so that the mayor and council and the public have a better sense of what the options are.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 3936.603, "end": 3936.779, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 3937.296, "end": 3945.885, "text": "To be able to put forward the least harmful budget that we can, and that that's why we're asking for cuts that are so deep.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 3948.098, "end": 3948.404, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 3948.598, "end": 3949.564, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 3949.95, "end": 3950.417, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 3951.819, "end": 3952.302, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 3953.349, "end": 3962.602, "text": "I will stick with the dialogue I did earlier when we talked about the percentage of cuts, and it was the 3% and 10% dialogue we were having.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3963.332, "end": 3970.178, "text": "My opinion is that I find across-the-board cuts to be lazy and not very strategic, so I'm not really a big fan of them.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3970.45, "end": 3980.454, "text": "I like to know what are our priorities, what's untouchable, and even in a tough time, you might increase the amount of spending on those priorities.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3981.127, "end": 3988.469, "text": "I think that's what we should do when we're looking at budgets in terms of percentage cuts or hopefully add-ons.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 3989.208, "end": 4000.11, "text": "You know, budgets are a strategic tool, and it's really important that we know what we're prioritizing, which is why I've been a big advocate to see if we can get some consensus amongst this body before the budget.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 4000.527, "end": 4007.559, "text": "And I appreciate that CA Lee understands the importance of that, and I hope that we can keep improving upon that process this year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-631", "start": 4008.394, "end": 4020.469, "text": "Anyway, I just want our budgets to be that type of strategic tool so voters and taxpayers know that we're really reading the big room called the city, and we're saying what is most important to Portlanders at this time.", "speaker": "Dan 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current appropriation levels, with it noting any adjustments that you guys have to make to fit within the CAL, and then phase for the inclusion of adds and cuts as directed or otherwise needed so that we have full transparency into that process.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4056.552, "end": 4059.572, "text": "And I think that's what Councilor Smith was getting at, which I agree with.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4061.115, "end": 4069.621, "text": "As far as the information that's most helpful for us when we're making decisions on the budget, I would like a lot more detail included in the decision packages.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4069.894, "end": 4078.436, "text": "I think that the level of detail about what is being requested or cut varies a lot across bureaus, and having that be more consistent would be really helpful for all of us.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4079.271, "end": 4083.51, "text": "I'm also hoping that all the bureaus are budgeting under the same set of assumptions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4084.008, "end": 4091.619, "text": "We found out this year that merit increases were not awarded to non-reps because some bureaus budgeted for them and some didn't.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4092.116, "end": 4102.653, "text": "In cases like that, it's making assumptions about merit and who gets to have it and who doesn't creates a lot of issues within the budget development guidance.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4103.984, "end": 4117.679, "text": "I also want to say within the add or cut options, I want us to be really cautious about asking for deeper cuts than we need each year because we know that we're at a point where this is going to have employees in fear of losing their jobs over and over again.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4118.326, "end": 4128.075, "text": "There are a lot of employees for who the past at least 5 years have thought that their jobs were on the line, and I think that has really lowered people's morale and just creates a negative environment.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4129.019, "end": 4138.234, "text": "So I know that we need to have a lot of options before us, and I would just caution about how we approach that, just given how our employees feel about it.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4140.68, "end": 4141.445, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4142.377, "end": 4143.026, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4143.706, "end": 4145.084, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4145.725, "end": 4149.586, "text": "I confess that I didn't print out the presentation and my notes are kind of bad.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4149.651, "end": 4158.591, "text": "I think at one point you said when the city administrator's report, something like high-level levels, and that sounded good, but I'm not quite sure I remember what it was.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4159.745, "end": 4167.115, "text": "The idea about having the bureaus present different options as opposed to just here's where we landed, I really like that idea.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4167.58, "end": 4171.057, "text": "So they say we consider different approaches to getting to a certain place, here's some of them.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4171.105, "end": 4171.361, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4172.484, "end": 4183.716, "text": "In terms of employee engagement, that takes me back to the issues that we always hear about of span of management bloat, span of control, and contracting out.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4184.262, "end": 4196.312, "text": "And I think it's really important that as soon as possible we have meaningful discussions about how much management we have, how much it compares to past years in different bureaus, et cetera.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4196.778, "end": 4198.061, "text": "What do we contract out?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4198.141, "end": 4199.505, "text": "To what extent are we contracting out?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4200.2, "end": 4202.05, "text": "Jobs, the same jobs that are done every year.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4202.18, "end": 4204.875, "text": "And if so, why or not isn't that done by a city employee?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4207.309, "end": 4217.214, "text": "We've talked about having a committee of the whole session on the 54 people who supervise fewer than 4 people.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4217.391, "end": 4218.31, "text": "So I hope we get to that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4218.374, "end": 4232.347, "text": "But I just want to underscore that I think that having a lengthy discussion of contracting out and of thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4233.383, "end": 4234.177, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4234.582, "end": 4235.051, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4236.849, "end": 4237.529, "text": "Uh, thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4238.144, "end": 4240.312, "text": "Echo what Councilor Novick just said.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" 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"Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4289.88, "end": 4289.95, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4289.95, "end": 4294.47, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4294.47, "end": 4299.67, "text": "Councilor Smith, I think you're on the record as having asked for a CA report.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4299.67, "end": 4310.03, "text": "I think the CA report needs to speak to what those council resolutions are as a way to anchor us in what the priorities that are coming out of this body.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4310.142, "end": 4313.161, "text": "And it might illuminate that we're chaotic and we don't have a set of priorities.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4313.257, "end": 4316.244, "text": "But I think that needs to be in the CA's report.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4316.966, "end": 4318.219, "text": "I think those are the 2 pieces.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4318.412, "end": 4322.072, "text": "I mean, I like the approach of gaps and surpluses.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4322.169, "end": 4327.243, "text": "And if we've adopted a financial policy that says here's what we're going to do with our surpluses, CA's report should speak to that too.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4327.644, "end": 4327.885, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4328.607, "end": 4329.314, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4329.555, "end": 4330.101, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4333.038, "end": 4335.442, "text": "All right, thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4335.65, "end": 4339.351, "text": "Um, so, uh, thanks again for all this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4339.431, "end": 4343.517, "text": "And again, just reiterating the note, uh, about everything I said before.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4343.677, "end": 4354.861, "text": "But also, uh, I support Option A. I, I, I strongly support— my underlying need here is having multiple scenarios that capture council's needs, which is to say add, reduction, hold constant, and a 4th one that mirrors the city budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4355.278, "end": 4360.052, "text": "So like some— and, and the add and reduction are again relative to the, the city budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4360.101, "end": 4360.709, "text": "I, I agree with that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4361.705, "end": 4370.215, "text": "I like including council legislative direction in it, and I would add to it, I'd prefer to just have council adopt an annual resolution with the budget guidance as an exhibit each autumn.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4371.034, "end": 4380.892, "text": "I think that, that avoids some of the concern that we have, or a code change that allows some combination of council priority on what the scenarios are and mayor having flexibility within that too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4381.92, "end": 4383.381, "text": "I support Option B, no notes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4383.606, "end": 4385.998, "text": "I'm interested in discussing Option C further.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4386.095, "end": 4386.175, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4386.576, "end": 4390.797, "text": "I'd suggest including the new citywide performance conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4390.845, "end": 4392.064, "text": "The team I think is being stood up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4392.209, "end": 4393.926, "text": "I don't know that that needs to be this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4394.439, "end": 4399.992, "text": "And one thing you'd asked offline is just for grace and the idea that some of this is not going to happen this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4400.136, "end": 4403.442, "text": "This one makes sense to me to make a multi-year process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4404.148, "end": 4408.545, "text": "Generally supportive of Option D. I like the idea of the budget equity tool returning.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4408.738, "end": 4412.798, "text": "That's not contradictory with what I said on Theme 1, but don't actually have the time to explain why in this setting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4413.006, "end": 4413.359, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4413.456, "end": 4414.419, "text": "I'll get to that later.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4414.901, "end": 4419.091, "text": "Uh, I like— you mentioned employee engagement and input earlier on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4419.172, "end": 4419.894, "text": "I think that's good.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4420.119, "end": 4425.177, "text": "Um, there's no specific option on that, so that might be something that we need to work with our labor partners and all that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4425.659, "end": 4433.061, "text": "And then I just wanted to note I agree with Councilor Smith's point on internal fees completely, and I agree with Councilor Green's points on the questions on this slide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 4433.221, "end": 4433.462, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 4434.249, "end": 4435.1, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 4435.855, "end": 4445.674, "text": "Uh, colleagues, I put myself in the queue for, uh, question So I have a question, and I'm not sure if it's best for you, best for the mayor, or possibly for the city administrator.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4445.738, "end": 4453.725, "text": "But under Option C, it says strategic budget practices require evaluating multiple trade-offs against set priorities.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4453.838, "end": 4457.783, "text": "And I appreciate that framing, and I kind of want to build on it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4457.928, "end": 4468.081, "text": "I think it's important for council to have a clear understanding of what a bureau's priorities are under the leadership of the mayor, under the leadership of the city administrator, and under the leadership of yes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4469.237, "end": 4471.002, "text": "But we don't necessarily have that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4471.227, "end": 4488.467, "text": "And if we are going to be strategic against, you know, making strategic cuts rather than what is the easiest cut, we kind of need to know, like, actually the Housing Bureau is going to worry about X, Y, and Z for this year, and that is why we chose to make these cuts in this area.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4488.804, "end": 4490.827, "text": "Is that at all possible?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4491.132, "end": 4492.287, "text": "Is there a way to do that?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4492.352, "end": 4495.305, "text": "I know, again, I don't know if this is from a budget perspective or necessarily looking to the mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4499.172, "end": 4502.493, "text": "Yeah, and CA, I saw you come on screen.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4502.541, "end": 4505.269, "text": "I don't know if you want to take a first crack at this.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4505.894, "end": 4507.114, "text": "I can take the first crack at it.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4507.178, "end": 4507.884, "text": "Thank you, Jonas.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4508.975, "end": 4524.329, "text": "It's a great question because anytime you get into the budget conversation, the budget conversation is really telling the story of what are the priorities of the city, and the budget is really that document that is really describing how you plan on achieving those priorities.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4524.826, "end": 4526.621, "text": "From, from a financial standpoint.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4527.246, "end": 4546.845, "text": "What we have struggled though, uh, in this transition as a government and what we're working on today is really working on what are those priorities that the different bureaus are working on and how do those all align to an overall vision, goals, and objectives of what we're trying to achieve as a city.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4547.839, "end": 4555.659, "text": "Part of that is the strategic plan that we talked about earlier, uh, that will be moving forward from the standpoint of trying to get a process together.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4555.707, "end": 4555.755, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4556.173, "end": 4562.916, "text": "In this budget year, but will be probably a multi-year process to get adopted by the City Council.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4563.542, "end": 4581.445, "text": "I know we will be sitting down with the mayor to kind of really outline some of the outcomes that we're trying to achieve as an organization, taking into account some of the conversation that we've received and heard from council in the priority setting conversation as well.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4581.862, "end": 4595.389, "text": "I think all of those help us really develop a budget that really speaks to the demands that we're hearing from the City Council, but also the outcomes and service delivery that we're hearing from the community that they want to receive.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4596.063, "end": 4598.117, "text": "That process is underway.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4599.096, "end": 4602.161, "text": "Will it all conclude by the time we're in this budget?", "speaker": "Raymond C. 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4620.38, "end": 4620.638, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4621.736, "end": 4621.978, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4622.946, "end": 4626.53, "text": "Uh, I'm noticing the 3 councilors in the queue have all spoken.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4626.578, "end": 4628.048, "text": "I'm just seeing if any of those are legacy hands.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4628.129, "end": 4629.68, "text": "Councilor Smith, Murillo, or Kanal?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4629.826, "end": 4631.215, "text": "Legacy.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4631.441, "end": 4632.088, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4632.233, "end": 4634.964, "text": "Councilor Murillo?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4635.077, "end": 4635.465, "text": "Councilor Kanal?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4635.816, "end": 4637.567, "text": "No, it's not a legacy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4637.68, "end": 4637.889, "text": "Cool.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4638.162, "end": 4652.537, "text": "So I'll just briefly say, I think we— I would love some time, Council President, for us to discuss how we set— how the process of setting goals for the bureaus is done, because the goals are going to drive the performance metrics in a perfect world.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4653.244, "end": 4661.066, "text": "And I don't know that they're— I don't like the idea of bureau directors changing, especially at the rate that they often do in some bureaus.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4662.21, "end": 4668.525, "text": "And then the goals changing, especially when there's often very clear requests from community, as C.I.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4668.768, "end": 4671.934, "text": "Lee mentioned, for what is happening.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4671.998, "end": 4673.389, "text": "And I'm gonna be very specific.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4673.777, "end": 4682.106, "text": "When we talked about, and yeah, I'm sure you could all pick a bureau on this, but when we, there's a reason that clearance rates are not in the performance metrics of the Portland Police Bureau.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4682.43, "end": 4686.938, "text": "It doesn't relate to the goals that have been set, and those goals change when the chief changes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4687.809, "end": 4698.89, "text": "So I want to have that conversation because I think I'm hearing from the public that not having resolution to issues that are reported and often investigated is a core function.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4699.323, "end": 4704.326, "text": "And now if that's something that we have to figure out why that is, and is it the DA, not the police, that's, that's all fine.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4704.39, "end": 4705.448, "text": "It's not about a blame game.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4705.769, "end": 4708.271, "text": "It's about understanding why it is that we're not getting the thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4708.639, "end": 4711.494, "text": "And we don't even measure it because right now it's not part of the goals.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4712.007, "end": 4720.073, "text": "And so before I think we premise the argument on what is the executive branch's goals, I think it's better if we have a conversation about should we be setting the goals?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4720.249, "end": 4722.478, "text": "That's our job as the legislative branch, in my opinion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4722.911, "end": 4724.563, "text": "But I think we should be having that conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4724.611, "end": 4731.025, "text": "Now, I know I have a colleague who doesn't think we should be dictating a word to the PPB, and I'm seeing the, the shake of the head over there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4731.49, "end": 4733.222, "text": "So I'm sure we'll have a different conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4733.319, "end": 4739.108, "text": "So my request is not to adjudicate that now, but to have time to discuss that issue later.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4739.412, "end": 4739.653, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4739.99, "end": 4740.888, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4741.673, "end": 4742.684, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, last word.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4743.357, "end": 4744.496, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4744.544, "end": 4747.557, "text": "So really valuable point there, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4747.749, "end": 4753.101, "text": "I just want to like think through that from a kind of a structures perspective in terms of how that goes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4753.198, "end": 4767.988, "text": "So I'm, I'm of the belief that the bureaus, offices, the service areas, you know, they, they have to craft a budget in, um, in the light of the way that the executive is proposing the budget.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4768.117, "end": 4786.105, "text": "And so my experience in that is that they they set up their KPIs or their outcomes and outputs and all those kind of things, whatever an organization uses for their performance metrics, and that is related to what their boss has given them as the, as the, as the goals.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4787.936, "end": 4798.712, "text": "I do think that there's a reasonable time from which we could have a council input on that topic, maybe before that Executive budget is released.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4798.841, "end": 4812.797, "text": "But the risk here that I worry about when we go down this a little bit is I would like to get a budget, and I'd like to look at any old office and say, I don't like this metric, but I see how you're funding it, and make some choices about that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4812.958, "end": 4817.867, "text": "Or I can say, I do support these, and I see— and I don't— or I do or don't think that you're funding it the right way.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4817.931, "end": 4821.589, "text": "I think that there's a role there for me once it comes out.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4821.797, "end": 4835.249, "text": "Once the executive budget comes out, I I don't know that I think our role should be to really be in the sausage-making of their performance metrics in the budget process, but hoping to craft it before then.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4835.426, "end": 4855.856, "text": "And the reason that's— this is difficult to describe, so I'm also kind of working this just in the moment as you— since you just spoke on it, which is if we start changing some of the performance metrics to assume then that the executive budget that's where I worry that that rub starts to get sideways.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4855.904, "end": 4858.529, "text": "So I want to offer that up just in terms of timing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4859.394, "end": 4861.627, "text": "If something like that's going to happen, the timing matters.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4861.676, "end": 4868.977, "text": "But I do value, and I really do think it's important to understand that the executive budget has to come from the executive.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4869.025, "end": 4881.404, "text": "And I've been a part of many budgets where I've seen a performance metric that seems to be important to that executive that I haven't agreed with, but I do believe it is their role in the charter.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4881.453, "end": 4884.896, "text": "And I think it's okay to say a couple of things.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4885.009, "end": 4894.493, "text": "Either it's so bad we choose not to fund that, or it's we allow it to go because it's on the fringes of maybe the things that— the larger package, if you will.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4894.542, "end": 4896.416, "text": "We're talking $8.5 billion here, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4896.884, "end": 4908.95, "text": "So I just kind of offer that just from a how would we make that work so that we're not in the weeds at the time we should be talking about program offers instead of So the timing would matter for me on that to get fully agreeable.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4909.92, "end": 4911.229, "text": "But I hear some of the 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"end": 4950.15, "text": "And a foundational understanding for what they want to achieve as the directors, the senior employee of that work, of that work section, of that office, of that service area.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4951.042, "end": 4957.201, "text": "Because if you are not convicted in, in what you want to achieve, it's easier for us to pick it apart.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4958.75, "end": 4976.764, "text": "One of the reasons that I think Chief Day is so damn successful is because he can articulate a vision and talk about the culture that he wants to build within his workforce in a way that runs circles around many who sat in both his chair but also other bureau and director-type areas.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4978.384, "end": 4990.974, "text": "So I'll go along with things maybe that I am not always sure about if I see a leader with a vision, more so than I will with an administrator who just seems to kind of fall into the position.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4992.216, "end": 4997.851, "text": "And last year's budget presentation, I didn't see a lot of leaders at their level.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4997.996, "end": 5000.051, "text": "And I believe leadership happens at a lot of levels.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5000.421, "end": 5001.4, "text": "So I want to see that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5001.994, "end": 5016.509, "text": "And I bring it up in this because the decision-making support for me, actually the bureau director's perspective, and if they're aligned with the executive budget and the vision that they outline, is actually a major factor for me in deciding whether or not I'm going to support a budget.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5017.503, "end": 5018.913, "text": "And so I just want to offer that up.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5018.961, "end": 5025.963, "text": "And Councilor Kanal, I welcome, you know, as we go further into this, kind of thinking how we might go through some of those performance metrics in the right timing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5026.075, "end": 5026.925, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5027.742, "end": 5028.575, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 5029.04, "end": 5033.222, "text": "Councilors Ryan, Novick, and Koyama Lane all jumped in the queue, but we are at time for this.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 5033.286, "end": 5035.321, "text": "Can you each keep it to about 90 seconds apiece?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5036.314, "end": 5037.388, "text": "Councilor Ryan first.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5037.596, "end": 5043.573, "text": "Yeah, I want to say that I really like the last 2 presentations or comments by Councilor Zimmerman and Kanal.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5044.408, "end": 5045.997, "text": "I did them.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5046.415, "end": 5048.92, "text": "And I think clearance rates are an important metric.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5049, "end": 5062.441, "text": "I've been saying that for 7 years, which is why I led the effort to get the investments out to the community to build more trust with the Office of Violence Prevention and the other contracts that go out into the community that work with police.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5063.758, "end": 5071.289, "text": "I do think we can't have some of those goals— I'm looking at you, Mayor— without a joint session with the county on public safety.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5071.869, "end": 5072.69, "text": "The county's 50%.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5073.157, "end": 5080.385, "text": "We're never going to get to any goals that we like without the county being on the same page as us on those goals.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5080.739, "end": 5092.376, "text": "And as long as the county spends 40% of its budget on public safety, whereas Clackamas spends 70% and Washington County spends 65% on public safety, it makes it difficult for us to reach these goals.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5094.35, "end": 5095.027, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5095.092, "end": 5095.737, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5096.14, "end": 5097.189, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5097.672, "end": 5109.265, "text": "I really appreciate what Councilor Zimmerman said, and I think I said something similar last year that I'd like to hear bureau directors unplugged saying what they'd really like to do.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5109.457, "end": 5120.627, "text": "And I think I heard pushback that, well, you can't have bureau directors going off without, you know, saying what they want to do when it's not necessarily consistent with the, what the city administrator or the mayor thinks.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5120.707, "end": 5127.03, "text": "But the closer we could get to that, to bureau directors articulating their vision, the better off I think we'd be.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5128.074, "end": 5128.635, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5129.037, "end": 5130.225, "text": "Councilor Karmelainen, do you want to—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5131.301, "end": 5132.553, "text": "Um, I don't think I can do it in 90 seconds.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5132.971, "end": 5134.175, "text": "Okey-doke, thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5134.753, "end": 5138.912, "text": "Well, we've reached a, a natural pause point where we're going to give everybody a 10-minute break.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5139.024, "end": 5141.914, "text": "So if everybody could please be back here at 3:31.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5142.38, "end": 5142.669, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5872.72, "end": 5874.383, "text": "And we're back.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5875.117, "end": 5877.237, "text": "Thank you all for the human break.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5878.55, "end": 5881.005, "text": "Ruth, Jonas, take us away to topic number 3.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5882.143, "end": 5883.07, "text": "Uh, great.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5883.135, "end": 5884.501, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5884.663, "end": 5885.281, "text": "Uh, Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 5885.393, "end": 5889.101, "text": "Theme 3, to jump right back in, is around community engagement.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 5889.887, "end": 5896.42, "text": "The general feedback on this theme was that community engagement can and should occur earlier prior to decision-making.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 5896.468, "end": 5898.779, "text": "We've talked a little bit about that already, but we'll come back to it.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 5899.517, "end": 5905.713, "text": "We should make space for input on general service area and bureau priorities before discussing specific budget proposals.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 5905.777, "end": 5907.27, "text": "We've talked a little bit about that already as well.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 5908.506, "end": 5920.467, "text": "That outreach and awareness of community engagement events and the timing of budget testimony and votes could be improved, and then conversation around bringing back some version of what were previously called budget advisory committees.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5923.084, "end": 5923.438, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5924.37, "end": 5938.447, "text": "So, and I'll just note that since I am not the lead or the expert on community engagement, Laura Oppenheimer is also in the audience, so she may— we may invite her up for the Q&A portion if needed.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5939.511, "end": 5942.927, "text": "So on Budget advisory committees.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5942.992, "end": 5953.685, "text": "There's been, you know, talk about this over the last few years, conversation around setting up budget advisory committees either at the service area level and/or at the citywide level.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5954.187, "end": 5958.496, "text": "They used to exist both at the bureau level and at a citywide level.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5960.53, "end": 5967.305, "text": "There's also been conversation around are they all dedicated budget advisory committees or are they more general advisory committees?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5967.456, "end": 5967.536, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5968.26, "end": 5979.802, "text": "Obviously, depending on how folks want to do that, there's questions around staffing, how they're appointed, and sort of what their charge is.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5979.899, "end": 5990.353, "text": "I think from the experience of prior budget advisory committees, it's going to be very important to clarify how their input, how and when their input is used in decision-making.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5990.45, "end": 5996.059, "text": "That was something that came up previously of, you know, whom are they advising?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5996.703, "end": 5996.993, "text": "And when.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 6001.228, "end": 6003.483, "text": "Separating the mayor's engagement.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 6003.564, "end": 6020.279, "text": "So I think the last 2 years there's been a couple of different approaches to budget engagement, and, you know, there's an option to kind of pull out the mayor's engagement from the council engagement and just have them be 2 separate things.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 6020.989, "end": 6022.639, "text": "Probably makes sense to have the mayor's Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6022.688, "end": 6026.253, "text": "Occur earlier in the process since the proposed happens first.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6029.076, "end": 6037.457, "text": "The Insight Survey, the data will come out in early 2027 from the 2026 survey.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6037.924, "end": 6048.905, "text": "And so this is something that, you know, could be integrated into the budget engagement events and sort of up to whoever is hosting those to figure out how to do that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6049.195, "end": 6052.818, "text": "But obviously staff are available to help figure that out.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 6055.55, "end": 6062.962, "text": "The past 2 years we've done public sort of Budget 101 sessions in roughly January.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 6064.45, "end": 6084.885, "text": "We've also had conversations about taking those from, you know, about sort of instead of or in addition to those larger events, doing more informational meetings And Q&A sessions with individual community-based organizations, which would allow for a little bit more of a tailored approach.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 6086.75, "end": 6088.382, "text": "Okay, that's all we've got on community engagement.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 6088.463, "end": 6093.232, "text": "I'm sure that— I'm sure there are other ideas, and yeah, happy to open it up.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6095.69, "end": 6097.227, "text": "Councilor Smith, are you still in the queue for this one?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6097.988, "end": 6101.517, "text": "Okay, well, colleagues, feel free to jump into the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6101.695, "end": 6102.489, "text": "I will jump in first.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6103.951, "end": 6119.306, "text": "Just to talk about something that we discussed as an engagement tool in the budget process this last time around, and collectively the council determined that probably it wasn't a budget note, but I had introduced bringing back budget mapping as a tool for community engagement.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6120.735, "end": 6127.835, "text": "I think in the old form of government, budget mapping, especially for East Portland, was really a helpful tool on the community.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6127.979, "end": 6133.653, "text": "I have heard so many times from the East Portland Action Plan Committee that they want this tool back.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6134.054, "end": 6141.89, "text": "And I am, you know, I heard from my colleagues, they felt that this was probably more, and also from the City Attorney, this is more appropriately set up to be a resolution.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6142.242, "end": 6143.492, "text": "I have that resolution drafted.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6144.95, "end": 6149.886, "text": "Is this something that you all would be willing to work with me on?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6150.014, "end": 6154.901, "text": "Is it something that is going to be, you know, in your categorization of, you know, easy, hard, medium, whatever?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6156.476, "end": 6162.146, "text": "Would that be something that's going to require additional resources or something, or should I just think about that for a future year?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6162.79, "end": 6163.935, "text": "Well, I'll start.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6164.016, "end": 6166.404, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6166.517, "end": 6168.049, "text": "And yeah, that's a good observation.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6168.13, "end": 6173.257, "text": "We've certainly heard that feedback as well in the process and probably should have acknowledged it more explicitly here.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 6174.832, "end": 6181.483, "text": "I think the implementation of it is not necessarily particularly difficult.", "speaker": "Jonas 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"text": "A little bit more of a perfected baseline.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 6218.819, "end": 6220.487, "text": "But we're just open to your thoughts too.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 6220.889, "end": 6228.38, "text": "Yeah, I just had a slightly more technical response, which is for things like capital projects, obviously it's pretty easy to use.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 6228.524, "end": 6232.022, "text": "In many cases, we have the GIS data available already.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6232.695, "end": 6256.86, "text": "For things that are sort of one level less specific to geography, think fire stations, precincts, and the like, It's just really important to have a consistent methodology that's used in order to attach, if you want to attach dollars to a location, because, you know, it could swing wildly depending on methodology.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6257.359, "end": 6262.737, "text": "And then, you know, how to clearly tag things that just can't really be specified to a location.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6262.931, "end": 6263.607, "text": "Yeah, absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6263.72, "end": 6266.442, "text": "I recognize, like, you know, the park rangers budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6266.571, "end": 6269.953, "text": "Do we count the seconds that they are driving in District 1?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6270.017, "end": 6270.565, "text": "No, that's silly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6270.922, "end": 6280.857, "text": "But also recognize that there's some nuance there that, you know, if you look at the total amount of dollars spent in 2024, East Portland blew the rest of the city away because we opened Mill Park.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6281.675, "end": 6282.141, "text": "And that doesn't—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6282.141, "end": 6282.59, "text": "That's not—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6282.799, "end": 6283.312, "text": "That doesn't count.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6283.36, "end": 6283.874, "text": "That's not fair.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6284.243, "end": 6286.089, "text": "That was a 10-year-in-the-process bank.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6286.169, "end": 6290.695, "text": "But I still think it's a valuable tool in some regard, and I'd love to work with you all over the next year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6290.807, "end": 6296.537, "text": "And I totally agree, we need to get our own house in order before we can start broadcasting to the world all these other things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6296.601, "end": 6296.745, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6297.328, "end": 6298.865, "text": "And we'd love to work with you all on that as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6299.188, "end": 6302.699, "text": "Yeah, more than happy to work with you or any other council offices on that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6302.763, "end": 6308.282, "text": "And then just one other note that this triggers is thinking ahead to our financial stabilization conversation in a couple weeks.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6308.33, "end": 6315.56, "text": "I think that's an element that'll be reflected in there too, but less around budget mapping and more around outcome data.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6315.64, "end": 6326.705, "text": "And so that may also be another more district or neighborhood-specific action that can be taken now to sort of maybe lay a little bit of groundwork to align to that future budget mapping exercise.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6327.536, "end": 6327.953, "text": "More to come.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6328.338, "end": 6328.514, "text": "Awesome.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6329.06, "end": 6330.503, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6330.583, "end": 6331.401, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6331.545, "end": 6336.163, "text": "Um, so broadly, I like everything on slide 17, your big broad strokes kind of slide there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6336.516, "end": 6347.083, "text": "Um, I support Option A. I did want to note that since June I've been planning, uh, there's conversation, a big picture conversation leading ideally to legislation on this in Committee of the Whole.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6347.34, "end": 6350.37, "text": "I have been on and staffed budget advisory committees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6350.899, "end": 6359.588, "text": "I'm looking forward to conversation with and hopefully collaboration with you on legislation on that, um, because I do think it's important to have this be something that is citywide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6360.165, "end": 6368.131, "text": "Um, I, I, and as in relatedly, I don't support, but I can live with the mayor doing Option B if that's, uh, the mayor's choice.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6368.355, "end": 6377.555, "text": "But I, I think it would be better for us to just collaborate more once Council Operations fills the position, um, that's been budgeted, uh, the, for engagement on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6377.796, "end": 6385.943, "text": "I, I think the challenge frankly had to do with the staffing timelines in the citywide engagement position last year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6386.151, "end": 6397.327, "text": "I think Councilor Zimmerman had sort of led a creation of a plan for budget engagement sessions last year, and then it kind of changed and it never really got fully settled.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6397.792, "end": 6399.43, "text": "So it's been better this year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6399.864, "end": 6414.732, "text": "I'm looking forward to, in terms of the collaboration and in terms of going into the next year, I would hope that Laura and eventually the, permanent person would work with hopefully our permanent person on council operations to just do it all together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6415.489, "end": 6416.6, "text": "I think that's possible.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6416.696, "end": 6420.931, "text": "I don't think engagement is the same, is a discipline that lives exclusively executively.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6422.2, "end": 6430.677, "text": "I, so I'm hesitant there, but I think that we can do better than option B ideally, but I understand that it might be the least bad option.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6432.233, "end": 6434.186, "text": "Option C is good, no notes, the insight survey.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6434.719, "end": 6444.563, "text": "Option D, I think this is good and I have a lot of, similarly, because engagement's not, I think, an executive-only thing, If council's part of that same idea, I think it can work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6444.627, "end": 6446.025, "text": "Otherwise, I'm not sure about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6447.664, "end": 6454.94, "text": "I have so much more on the committees if there's time for that at some point, but— and so I won't get into that now, but reserve the right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6455.506, "end": 6458.305, "text": "But I did want to say I strongly, strongly support budget mapping.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6458.644, "end": 6460.962, "text": "I agree with everything the council president said on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6462.148, "end": 6462.667, "text": "Yeah, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6463.511, "end": 6464.307, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 6464.892, "end": 6465.525, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 6468.536, "end": 6473.155, "text": "Hey, I also agree with budget mapping, so I will third that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 6474.813, "end": 6483.344, "text": "As far as budget advisory committees go, I actually would not recommend trying to put in efforts into restarting those right now.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 6483.554, "end": 6495.169, "text": "I think that there are more innovative ways to engage community, and those committees have, you know, they tend to get a little gatekeepy and are more accessible to people with more political privilege.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 6495.694, "end": 6509.869, "text": "So if we're going to start up any kind of BACs again, I would really want to talk about what a complete redesign and rethinking about how to approach those, because as they were before, I would not want to recreate.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 6510.719, "end": 6520.051, "text": "As for the mayor's engagement being separate, yes, he should have separate engagement, but also he should be doing it much, much sooner before his proposed budget.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 6520.131, "end": 6533.942, "text": "So we need to have engagement starting as early as I mean, ideally in the fall or early winter in the future, but he should be having his own version of engagement that's necessary to inform his process, and then we'll have our own.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 6534.937, "end": 6544.595, "text": "And so, yeah, and also I think that we need more public opportunities for— like, though, I liked how we did just kind of informational type of things.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 6544.643, "end": 6551.493, "text": "I think people reacted well to the stations where people could could go talk to bureaus directly and ask them.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 6551.557, "end": 6557.493, "text": "So I think those are some cool ideas that have been worked and, um, that, that have worked and could work better.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 6558.359, "end": 6569.316, "text": "But also, we need to really, um, expand our council ops capacity to help the council in general with budget engagement and with things like budget research and analysis.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 6569.364, "end": 6578.963, "text": "So, um, I, I definitely want to see, uh, I want to see where council ops is going to step up and provide a vision for how they're going to support the council during the budget process.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 6579.028, "end": 6583.218, "text": "I think this is why Council Ops exists, and we haven't used it to our maximum potential.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 6585.25, "end": 6612.549, "text": "Lastly, I think that the Insight Survey— so I did an East Portland budget survey this year, again, just kind of piloting it out to get a sense, but I really took a lot of the methodology and kind of foundation from the city's Insight Survey as a way to One, get some of that data too, but then also because East Portlanders have had such a harder time engaging and we have— they've been so underrepresented in a lot of ways.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 6612.982, "end": 6620.276, "text": "And so actually, I feel like, is there a way to put more budget-type things in the insight survey?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 6620.597, "end": 6623.033, "text": "We're already going to do that, you know, every couple years.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 6623.146, "end": 6629.623, "text": "I get that there's some level of consistency that's important in the survey so that you can measure things over time.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 6630.056, "end": 6634.308, "text": "But I think this is a good opportunity to maybe look at that survey.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 6634.773, "end": 6637.661, "text": "And, you know, I'd be happy to talk more about that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 6637.741, "end": 6642.891, "text": "But we just really like kind of blended the insight survey with some budget survey.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 6643.437, "end": 6645.266, "text": "And I think we already have resources.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 6645.362, "end": 6648.843, "text": "That's a great way to make that survey be more useful for budget.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 6648.972, "end": 6650.929, "text": "I think it is a useful tool in general.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 6650.993, "end": 6651.057, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 6651.458, "end": 6664.491, "text": "And if we want it to be used for budget, let's actually be thank you, Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 6664.765, "end": 6665.538, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 6665.876, "end": 6668.548, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 6669.176, "end": 6675.333, "text": "Uh, you know, in District 2 last year, I thought the way we were able to do engagement with the mayor was really helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 6675.382, "end": 6680.219, "text": "We had an early session together, we had a later session with councilors and the city administrator.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 6680.896, "end": 6684.825, "text": "If the mayor wants to do additional engagement on him, great, fine.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 6685.342, "end": 6700.144, "text": "But I would like to be able to have that district-driven, council-driven, an engagement session before there's a proposal so that we can hear from folks not reacting to cuts, but more generally what their priorities are.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 6700.84, "end": 6710.077, "text": "And then the engagement session between the mayor's proposed and council's deliberations to hear reactions to the mayor's proposed cuts.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 6711.33, "end": 6723.007, "text": "But I think that those very important outreach opportunities and the BAC opportunities both still miss the mark on the breadth of community engagement that we need.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 6723.055, "end": 6725.978, "text": "And this is where I'm going to sound a little bit like a broken record, Jonas.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 6726.106, "end": 6726.861, "text": "I apologize.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 6727.632, "end": 6755.942, "text": "Um, we need a tool, and the programs to develop one pretty easily where Portlanders can weigh in on the same types of trade-offs that we have to make and really understand what it is that we need to balance in this budget and propose their own ideas of how we balance the budget.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 6756.766, "end": 6757.848, "text": "And we need that tool.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 6758.284, "end": 6761.94, "text": "I really appreciated the first step on this last year, so credit where credit is due.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 6761.991, "end": 6762.872, "text": "But I think we need to take it a step further.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 6763.393, "end": 6770.023, "text": "We had a first step last year at the service area level where folks could play with some levers.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 6770.697, "end": 6772.64, "text": "But we need this to be at the program level.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 6773.33, "end": 6775.963, "text": "We need it to be across bureaus.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 6776.862, "end": 6789.865, "text": "And we need it to allow folks to save their results and then have a public accounting on the website where that's located.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 6790.925, "end": 6793.012, "text": "That shows what the trends are.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 6793.414, "end": 6796.047, "text": "What are Portlanders most willing to cut?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 6796.288, "end": 6798.953, "text": "What are Portlanders least willing to cut?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 6799.355, "end": 6802.133, "text": "How many Portlanders are willing to look at additional revenue?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 6802.245, "end": 6803.835, "text": "And if so, what types of revenue?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 6804.236, "end": 6808.796, "text": "How many Portlanders think we should be putting more into our reserves versus not?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 6809.294, "end": 6814.865, "text": "We need to be showing those trends so that there's clear transparency and accountability.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 6814.914, "end": 6815.17, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 6816.359, "end": 6838.183, "text": "And so that when we then make our decisions, it's clear to Portlanders and there's transparency and accountability for, for a Portlander to Portlanders around our decisions and whether we make different decisions where most Portlanders would have made their own decisions looking at those same trade-offs that we have to make.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 6838.697, "end": 6859.767, "text": "I think that's an incredibly important tool for getting beyond people who can show up to an event or who have the privilege of serving on a BAC to really do broader community engagement and allow people to understand what the trade-offs are for our communities and to capture in a comprehensive way the trend in the trade-offs Portlanders would make.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 6859.88, "end": 6863.422, "text": "So huge credit for doing the first step last year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 6864.256, "end": 6869.289, "text": "I would like to see us build this out year over year to have a really comprehensive tool.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 6869.401, "end": 6869.545, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 6870.508, "end": 6870.909, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 6871.55, "end": 6872.512, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 6872.929, "end": 6873.507, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 6873.651, "end": 6875.335, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 6875.992, "end": 6877.756, "text": "I really like the detailed feedback on this one.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 6877.804, "end": 6879.296, "text": "I'll just thumb through this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 6880.13, "end": 6881.397, "text": "Options for changes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 6881.734, "end": 6895.509, "text": "I think the work sessions with the advisory leaders of their boards, some kind of hybrid in the— what I found most helpful when we had those was the actual, say, DRAC had its own opinion on the budget.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 6896.217, "end": 6897.561, "text": "They were closer to it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 6898.241, "end": 6913.825, "text": "I actually found it was more useful with the Parks Bureau's board, with the DRAC board for permitting, than it was to have one big overarching, because it allowed me to really listen to people who have dove into the work, and they had better insight, I felt.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 6914.236, "end": 6917.424, "text": "So I think there's a way to do some sort of hybrid with that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 6920.18, "end": 6921.391, "text": "Separate mayor engagement.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 6921.49, "end": 6923.83, "text": "I agree, ditto to everything Councilor Pirtle-Guiney said.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 6924.543, "end": 6933.744, "text": "It was so helpful to have a session with the mayor, with CA Lee, with the way that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and Councilor Kanal helped with the engagement with the visuals.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 6934.498, "end": 6935.542, "text": "That was really smart.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 6935.767, "end": 6938.32, "text": "And I just hope that all of them went as well as ours did.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 6938.898, "end": 6941.451, "text": "And then I do think it would be helpful to have one after.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 6941.884, "end": 6942.96, "text": "So I think a before and after.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 6943.008, "end": 6949.206, "text": "And I think that all us being at the same table is smart because we eventually have to come to an agreement together.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 6949.254, "end": 6949.447, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 6949.898, "end": 6951.623, "text": "The 3 branches of government, if you will.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 6951.833, "end": 6955.187, "text": "And so I think revealing that is very transparent and smart.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 6957.18, "end": 6957.358, "text": "I—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 6957.439, "end": 6960.531, "text": "The surveys, you know, with those, it depends on the efficacy of it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 6960.758, "end": 6965.34, "text": "I think, um, there's sometimes push-pull campaigning that goes on.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 6965.534, "end": 6966.505, "text": "It's disproportionate.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 6967.152, "end": 6972.556, "text": "And so I think I need to look at what the demographic, uh, asks are made at the beginning.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 6973.714, "end": 6976.92, "text": "And so it's like if someone works at the city or yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 6976.92, "end": 6986.71, "text": "So if you ask somebody who's a developer, gets money from the city, they're going to answer that very differently because they're chasing money than somebody that just wants services from the city that gives to the city through their taxes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 6986.98, "end": 6995.2, "text": "So I think I want that defined so I understand where the themes and threads are coming from, and it would be a little bit more objective then.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 6996.66, "end": 6998.52, "text": "Options for change.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 6999.98, "end": 7001.64, "text": "What is this one?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7001.64, "end": 7004.7, "text": "Expand informational meetings, engagement with community-based organizations.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7006.31, "end": 7009.48, "text": "As long as they can come with an objective stance.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7010.208, "end": 7015.786, "text": "So if it's organizations that are already getting money from the city, I wouldn't trust it as much.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 7015.964, "end": 7020.237, "text": "So I think getting skilled objective facilitators would be very helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 7022.146, "end": 7022.404, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 7022.63, "end": 7024.953, "text": "So I don't know if you need to have a budget committee.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 7025.131, "end": 7032.422, "text": "Like, I think you could utilize the efficiency of those committees that are in each bureau to take that on because they're going to anyway.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 7032.606, "end": 7033.103, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 7034.307, "end": 7035.045, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 7035.205, "end": 7035.831, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 7036.393, "end": 7037.356, "text": "Thank you, Mr. President.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 7037.901, "end": 7041.014, "text": "Uh, I liked the Bureau Budget Advisory Committees.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 7041.367, "end": 7046.551, "text": "I understand Councilor Avalos's point that they weren't necessarily representative, but I think they were better than nothing.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 7047.128, "end": 7055.473, "text": "What I can't remember from 10 years ago is whether the whole council heard from them or just like individual commissioners in charge heard from them.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 7055.713, "end": 7068.459, "text": "They used to provide— I, I mean, I, I think it varied in terms of how many commissioners in charge met with them, but they did used to provide a letter typically with the requested budget for each bureau to all of council.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 7068.783, "end": 7069.448, "text": "To all council?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 7069.594, "end": 7069.708, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 7069.773, "end": 7077.355, "text": "Yeah, I mean, I do think that that was helpful, but I mean, might have been particularly helpful for commissioners in charge that would listen to them more.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 7078.192, "end": 7087.358, "text": "Ideally, what I'd like to have is a budget advisory committee for the whole city along the lines of a citizen jury.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 7088.023, "end": 7095.929, "text": "Where you go out and you find a group of 24 more or less representative people and you pay them a stipend for their time.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 7096.266, "end": 7101.702, "text": "And I mean, it's a model that's worked well for a lot of different topics in a lot of jurisdictions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 7102.36, "end": 7109.384, "text": "And then, I mean, you proactively try to make it as representative as 24 people can and you engage them.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 7109.689, "end": 7123.984, "text": "So I don't know what, I mean, that would obviously have a cost to it, But I think that that's the way that you address the problem of people self-selecting and winds up not being representative.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 7124.641, "end": 7125.394, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 7125.938, "end": 7126.547, "text": "Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 7127.3, "end": 7128.117, "text": "Hi, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 7128.245, "end": 7129.575, "text": "I just wanted to get on the record.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 7129.623, "end": 7134.926, "text": "I also agree with Councilors Pirtle-Guiney and Ryan about how District 2 went.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 7135.07, "end": 7143.369, "text": "And Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, you couldn't see this, but Councilor Ryan and I were nodding along really emphatically as you were describing the experience that we had with those sessions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 7143.482, "end": 7148.214, "text": "And so, um, really do want to commend that, um, everyone involved in that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 7148.76, "end": 7159.605, "text": "Um, in terms of the committees, I, I think, um, ensuring that, that there's someone who's— that no one who's, uh, receiving money from the thing that they're giving feedback on the budget of is, is vital.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 7159.686, "end": 7160.776, "text": "It's a, a bare minimum.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 7160.905, "end": 7163.055, "text": "It's an obvious financial conflict of interest.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 7163.44, "end": 7165.59, "text": "But I think that broader thing is, is worth discussing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 7166.167, "end": 7178.687, "text": "I, I also think it's, it's important to recognize that I think that the advantage of having it be broader is largely like the way that it was done before was the bureau directors generally appointed the people to it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 7178.767, "end": 7185.284, "text": "There's very little incentive for anyone to say this bureau budget could be cut in this way or could be streamlined in that way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 7185.365, "end": 7187.644, "text": "It just becomes by virtue of how the people got there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 7188.254, "end": 7196.056, "text": "And so I think that broader conversation that's a little bit more citywide in strategy is helpful, even if there's more granularity in what they discuss.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 7196.104, "end": 7196.425, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 7196.602, "end": 7205.781, "text": "And I'm looking forward to hearing more about that when we get to the Committee of the Whole conversation because there is an element of being closer to it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 7205.894, "end": 7208.271, "text": "And I fully acknowledge that and agree with that part.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 7208.643, "end": 7215.442, "text": "And at the same time, there's sometimes competing ways to do the same thing within some of the service areas.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 7215.491, "end": 7217.257, "text": "So I'm interested in that as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 7217.744, "end": 7217.841, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 7218.165, "end": 7222.028, "text": "And the only thing about service areas that's not captured is we have some things that aren't service areas.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 7222.156, "end": 7222.845, "text": "Areas, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 7222.894, "end": 7225.428, "text": "Obviously council ourselves, but also Portland Solutions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 7225.573, "end": 7231.044, "text": "So there's— I think there's, uh, we need to figure out what the— how to bucket things if we're going to do buckets beyond bureaus.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 7231.316, "end": 7231.669, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 7232.439, "end": 7234.188, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 7234.268, "end": 7235.456, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 7235.889, "end": 7241.472, "text": "Just, uh, one more thing I want to put out there because we're in the participatory type engagement conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 7241.905, "end": 7255.377, "text": "I feel like there's an elephant dancing around in the middle here that something might pass this November, and are we, um, doing some scenario planning for that, um, because clearly that will have a big impact on this conversation if it passes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 7255.973, "end": 7261.942, "text": "So I just wanted to put that out in the room, and I hope people are seeing that there's a lot of participatory opportunities without that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 7262.217, "end": 7262.589, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 7263.592, "end": 7264.336, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 7265.549, "end": 7267.263, "text": "Okay, on to theme number 4.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 7269.088, "end": 7270.009, "text": "Uh, great.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 7270.623, "end": 7272.884, "text": "Um, so fast I wasn't quite ready here.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 7273.046, "end": 7280.979, "text": "Um, theme number 4, uh, last theme, and then just a reminder, we do want to— I think we're well good on time, but want to make some space I'll give you a chance at the end to talk about next steps and wrap up.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 7282.055, "end": 7284.672, "text": "But theme 4 is around budget accuracy.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 7285.699, "end": 7296.072, "text": "General comments here were that inaccuracy, lack of clarity, or late data updates in the budget books or in budget-related communications erode trust in the products and the process.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 7296.811, "end": 7302.093, "text": "Also acknowledging that's also sometimes very hard on staff who put in the work to promote that accuracy.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 7302.141, "end": 7303.619, "text": "So fully support that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 7303.667, "end": 7303.795, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 7303.86, "end": 7312.916, "text": "Second one is a shared desire for reliable data on potential service impacts or budget changes, again related to some of the conversation already.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 7313.332, "end": 7331.685, "text": "And then lastly, that budget staff passionately want to avoid mistakes and would love more predictable schedules, both predictable in a single year but predictable year over year, that also includes time built in to perform adequate QA/QC before public communications and other conversations go forward.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 7331.733, "end": 7331.845, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 7334.414, "end": 7334.639, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 7334.976, "end": 7342.057, "text": "Um, so, uh, segueing from that point, um, trying to set a budget development calendar sooner.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 7342.297, "end": 7348.045, "text": "Obviously the last couple of years we've had some, um, structural transitions that made it challenging.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 7348.463, "end": 7365.305, "text": "Um, but moving forward, um, I think if there could— if we could get to a point with having a budget calendar where at least the major deliverables are set well ahead of time so we can plan for it and create internal deadlines as well to ensure accuracy and review.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 7366, "end": 7367.566, "text": "I think that would help.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 7369.398, "end": 7373.946, "text": "So looking forward to this conversation helping us get to something sooner than we have.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 7376.02, "end": 7383.906, "text": "Likewise, building in QA/QC of the— specifically around the proposed budget book where we've had issues because the timeline there is so tight.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 7384.97, "end": 7394.812, "text": "So looking at potentially including like an embargo period where there's some internal review of the book that is fully complete.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 7396.79, "end": 7400.866, "text": "And so that could be something that we choose to do.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 7401.254, "end": 7408.092, "text": "It's pretty much an internal administrative thing, but just for the public and for you all to be aware that that would mean an embargo period.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 7409.65, "end": 7409.776, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 7410.809, "end": 7412.883, "text": "And then increased frequency of training.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 7413.061, "end": 7423.684, "text": "Again, this is something I think that's really mostly on us, but, you know, providing more consistent training.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 7423.782, "end": 7429.303, "text": "I think really since COVID some of our regular trainings kind of fell off, and then with charter change.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 7429.352, "end": 7432.97, "text": "So really trying to reinstitute some required trainings for staff.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 7433.926, "end": 7437.478, "text": "You know, I think council staff could attend if yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 7437.575, "end": 7440.459, "text": "Or we could do separate ones, talk more about that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 7440.977, "end": 7458.902, "text": "But I think having that to ensure both the specific deliverables and that are clear and that people know what's 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to that end, colleagues, that's the printout in front of you right now is a draft again of what a 2027 budget calendar could look like.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 7493.852, "end": 7495.439, "text": "You'll note that it starts in 2026.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 7496.022, "end": 7505.232, "text": "While I don't need you to react to this today, and you also have a digital copy of this in your inboxes, I would love feedback over the next coming weeks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 7505.362, "end": 7510.138, "text": "It is my intention to have us adopt a calendar with the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 7511.089, "end": 7515.457, "text": "So we set ourselves up by the fall TAO for the next year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 7516.33, "end": 7520.226, "text": "Obviously there are, you know, we can tweak things as we need to and will, but that is my intention.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 7521.908, "end": 7525.371, "text": "So, uh, feel free, folks, to hop in the queue for this section.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 7525.5, "end": 7526.401, "text": "Uh, Councilor Novick?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 7527.754, "end": 7528.237, "text": "Legacy?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 7528.479, "end": 7528.946, "text": "Councilor Green?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 7530.508, "end": 7533.08, "text": "Just real quick on— real quick on the, the budget calendar.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 7533.225, "end": 7543.392, "text": "Um, to the extent possible, I understand it's difficult to solve around a lot of constraints, but if we can avoid big budget hearings on religious holidays, um, I would prefer that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 7544.101, "end": 7544.553, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 7544.989, "end": 7545.392, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 7545.553, "end": 7546.085, "text": "Councilor Smith?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 7547.23, "end": 7550.484, "text": "When is the town Uh, end of October?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 7550.823, "end": 7551.324, "text": "Middle October?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 7551.728, "end": 7558.074, "text": "Work session October 7th, Committee of the Whole October 15th, first reading October 22nd, second reading October 29th.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 7558.122, "end": 7559.237, "text": "So every week in October.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 7559.496, "end": 7561.277, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 7564.562, "end": 7565.921, "text": "Um, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 7568.767, "end": 7573.73, "text": "Thank you for this presentation and for also taking feedback.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 7573.86, "end": 7583.626, "text": "I can see things that my office and I have talked to you all about being implemented and appreciate that this is iterative and there's always a desire to improve.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 7585.35, "end": 7586.455, "text": "Can I just kind of zoom out?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 7586.538, "end": 7588.584, "text": "And it's about this, but kind of everything.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 7591.73, "end": 7599.067, "text": "It's council's job to be focused on policies and systems and to be giving direction to the administration.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 7599.277, "end": 7600.535, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 7601.593, "end": 7610.424, "text": "Well, I can see that I have colleagues that have skills to get into the weeds, to do some of the line item looking at that stuff.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 7610.489, "end": 7615.425, "text": "I think that's your prerogative to do that, but I see our job as more giving the direction.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 7615.938, "end": 7623.76, "text": "And then also to the mayor, to the administrative side, and then holding the executive, the mayor responsible for executing our policy directions.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 7624.898, "end": 7628.841, "text": "And I also, we've had conversations how more oversight reporting would be great.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 7630.862, "end": 7630.943, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 7631.588, "end": 7646.584, "text": "But I do want to share that in order for that to happen— so this is more like talking to my colleagues— we as a council, we have to be able to clearly provide some policy directions together in order to actually hold the administration accountable for it.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 7647.614, "end": 7651.218, "text": "And that part is on us, not the administration.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 7652.853, "end": 7664.303, "text": "Or else what I see happening is we're going without some clear policy directions, we're instead just always going to be simply responding to what's presented to us and then arguing about it afterwards.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 7666.316, "end": 7671.077, "text": "I know there's difference of opinions in strategic priority setting.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 7672.28, "end": 7675.555, "text": "This is an area that Councilor Ryan and I have talked a lot about.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 7675.684, "end": 7681.879, "text": "I know that we didn't come to very clear priorities, but we were starting to talk about what some of that looks like.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 7683.43, "end": 7690.687, "text": "And I think if there's not an agreement of at least some shared policy priorities for us as a 12, then I think that's our first job.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 7690.849, "end": 7694.588, "text": "That's job number one for council is figure out how we're giving that direction.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 7701.232, "end": 7712.959, "text": "Yeah, I think my greatest hope for the coming process is that council receives the information needed to truly understand Be able to read the administration's budget.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 7713.023, "end": 7721.818, "text": "I appreciate hearing that there might be some, even some different trainings or possibilities for our staff to get trained up in how to read some of these.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 7723.466, "end": 7729.26, "text": "And then I think the other big thing on my mind is how we're providing some clear policy direction.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 7730.93, "end": 7737.644, "text": "And also if we're— so we're able to do that to the bureaus before they are building their budgets.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 7737.692, "end": 7737.805, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 7738.096, "end": 7738.357, "text": "To.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 7738.521, "end": 7741.529, "text": "So that can be giving them some guidance.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 7743.229, "end": 7752.017, "text": "Um, and then the bureau proposed budgets should be measured directly by whether or not they're meeting our policy priorities and which directions we set.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 7753.959, "end": 7755.056, "text": "All right, that for now.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 7755.384, "end": 7756.335, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 7758.07, "end": 7759.305, "text": "Colleagues, there we go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 7759.484, "end": 7762.33, "text": "I figured there was nobody done talking yet.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 7762.558, "end": 7762.948, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 7763.468, "end": 7763.614, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 7763.7, "end": 7764.325, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 7764.389, "end": 7767.453, "text": "Uh, so for this theme, I don't have much to add.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 7767.582, "end": 7770.084, "text": "I agree with your assessments in, in slide 23.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 7770.132, "end": 7772.121, "text": "I've heard much of the same, and I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 7772.619, "end": 7776.87, "text": "Um, it's not directly tied to our roles, as you noted, so I'm broadly supportive.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 7777.046, "end": 7788.788, "text": "And, and if there's things that we need to do, including, um, resource you to be able to do options ABC, and, and of course anything in this, like, I, I want, I want to be as supportive as possible on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 7788.837, "end": 7799.328, "text": "And I just, for everyone, if there's anything that that you would like to do or that you know that we've asked to do but you don't have the resources to do, that's something we need to do to be aware of so that we can fix that in the budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 7799.841, "end": 7809.964, "text": "Since I think this is the last part of this and I don't think we have like an overarching 5th area of comment, I'll take the opportunity to note a couple things that were not mentioned here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 7811.039, "end": 7815.274, "text": "Performance did get mentioned, but one thing that hasn't been discussed is just non-implementation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 7815.707, "end": 7817.343, "text": "We had PBEM positions added.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 7817.391, "end": 7822.329, "text": "There was a there was a CEI hub planner position that was added in the budget last year but weren't immediately filled.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 7822.681, "end": 7825.407, "text": "There's a pretty lengthy delay with that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 7825.471, "end": 7832.605, "text": "Obviously, there was a hiring freeze, but there was also obvious council direction through the budget to do this position.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 7833.326, "end": 7835.987, "text": "An engagement position in council operations wasn't filled.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 7836.067, "end": 7837.013, "text": "So these all matter.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 7837.189, "end": 7843.041, "text": "The 311 hours I brought up last week with the city administrator's update item is when I mentioned it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 7843.153, "end": 7843.297, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 7843.763, "end": 7851.368, "text": "Is another thing, and I think this actually might need independent analysis because I think it might be taken differently.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 7853.43, "end": 7865.225, "text": "I, and that may sound contradictory because I also agree, I think it was Councilor Novick who mentioned that we need to discuss contracting out in a general sense, and I agree with that, as well as span of control and management ratios.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 7865.745, "end": 7872.218, "text": "I did want to note that I think it's the reason I was so grateful for the assessment slide is because the budget staff does a great job.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 7872.783, "end": 7876.772, "text": "I know that this— it's come up before about neutrality.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 7876.901, "end": 7878.548, "text": "I've always felt that CBO is neutral.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 7878.597, "end": 7882.522, "text": "I've always felt that you are professional and able to give information here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 7882.587, "end": 7885.397, "text": "And I also appreciate both of you as leaders in this space.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 7888.983, "end": 7907.69, "text": "The other thing that I wanted to get into in here, we must have transparency into both existing contracts that extend beyond the fiscal year, because that's our 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this is informed consent by the council to things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 7943.656, "end": 7945.868, "text": "And so having that be, you know, upfront.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 7946.484, "end": 7950.019, "text": "I agree with the council president on pairing the calendar with the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 7950.133, "end": 7950.733, "text": "I think that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 7950.798, "end": 7955.621, "text": "And it's also like I think making these inflection points in the budget process more obvious.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 7956.392, "end": 7961.257, "text": "I'll take the opportunity to say that I think we need to be more careful about how we use the word technical.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 7962.349, "end": 7964.051, "text": "There are things that are often discussed there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 7964.099, "end": 7966.732, "text": "I think it's just fair to call it a budget adjustment if it is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 7966.909, "end": 7967.679, "text": "We used to call it that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 7968.29, "end": 7969.622, "text": "Well, actually, we used to call it monitoring.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 7970.297, "end": 7971.18, "text": "That's a separate issue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 7971.485, "end": 7974.086, "text": "I think it's okay to just call it a supplemental budget if that's what it is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 7974.15, "end": 7976.013, "text": "Some things actually are technical, some aren't.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 7976.511, "end": 7977.265, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 7978.405, "end": 7984.374, "text": "And then I agree with the point that Councilor Zimmerman raised earlier about KPI conversation timing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 7984.904, "end": 7988.274, "text": "I agree that it needs to be earlier, not through the actual discussion of the budget.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 7988.932, "end": 7989.59, "text": "So I was there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 7990.119, "end": 8000.727, "text": "But, and relatedly, I think this actually connects with part 2, hopefully, of strategic priority setting, which I agree with Councilor Ryan's resolution from last year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 8000.791, "end": 8002.492, "text": "I hope that we have a chance to do that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 8002.797, "end": 8004.161, "text": "I don't know that it's the right time of year.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 8004.225, "end": 8004.337, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 8005.153, "end": 8008.528, "text": "If we do strategic priority setting in like February, it's too late, I think.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 8009.481, "end": 8016.431, "text": "But I would like to have conversations that inform that through the process that we've created through your resolution, Councilor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 8016.512, "end": 8019.995, "text": "Council President, this is a work session, so I'm used to being able to do some dialogue.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 8021.49, "end": 8023.291, "text": "Right now, am I seeing this right?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 8023.389, "end": 8027.218, "text": "It says Wednesday, March 17th for that?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 8030.642, "end": 8031.782, "text": "I agree with you, Councilor Knoll.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 8031.943, "end": 8036.214, "text": "I think it should be earlier than that for sure, if that's in fact what I just looked at.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 8036.968, "end": 8038.124, "text": "Yeah, you're right.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 8038.172, "end": 8038.59, "text": "That is on there.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 8038.734, "end": 8039.136, "text": "Good catch.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 8039.617, "end": 8045.429, "text": "So catching that and then hearing you say February sounding too late, well, you know, we have a little problem here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 8045.493, "end": 8047.886, "text": "So we'll have to do some adjustments to the calendar on that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 8048.383, "end": 8048.48, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 8048.528, "end": 8051.947, "text": "And I think broadly, I'm with you on the timing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 8051.996, "end": 8053.858, "text": "I hadn't noticed that being in here in March.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 8053.922, "end": 8054.581, "text": "So agreed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 8054.709, "end": 8058.495, "text": "I guess my underlying point is I like the process we did.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 8058.624, "end": 8063.958, "text": "I think we can do it at a time that it can inform it and iterate on our first attempt this year and make it better.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 8064.408, "end": 8067.868, "text": "Obviously, I know that nothing's ever perfect the first year you do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 8068.21, "end": 8069.887, "text": "So yeah, appreciate it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 8069.935, "end": 8070.733, "text": "Thanks, Council President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 8071.058, "end": 8071.84, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 8072.442, "end": 8080.275, "text": "I put myself in the queue, colleagues, just to sort of double down on the point that Councilor Kanal was talking about with regard to contracts.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 8081.856, "end": 8099.66, "text": "I have found that to be one of the more confusing parts of our budget to understand and the full scope of what a bureau is going to be paying for, and whatever way we can line item contracts or make them clearer to the average idiot like me would be really helpful.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 8101.456, "end": 8102.228, "text": "And that's all I had to say on that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 8102.518, "end": 8102.969, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 8103.967, "end": 8105.577, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 8106.205, "end": 8109.409, "text": "Thank you for putting this draft calendar together.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 8111.522, "end": 8113.899, "text": "This is under the assumption that you're going to be president.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 8114.091, "end": 8115.585, "text": "No, ma'am, absolutely not.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 8115.633, "end": 8116.5, "text": "I will not be the council president.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 8116.564, 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8188.663, "end": 8189.545, "text": "Yeah, absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 8190.94, "end": 8191.598, "text": "Yeah, we—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 8191.71, "end": 8193.41, "text": "Again, he is saying draft.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 8193.795, "end": 8193.907, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 8194.035, "end": 8196.537, "text": "Um, can I please respond to that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 8196.697, "end": 8201.685, "text": "And I recognize it's a draft, but I'm also recognizing that we're going to have a regime change.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 8201.974, "end": 8202.358, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 8203.337, "end": 8203.914, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 8204.058, "end": 8209.415, "text": "And anything that we would approve in terms of a calendar would be written in pencil, not in stone.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 8209.751, "end": 8215.765, "text": "Um, I just want to give our budget staff, as was said sort of earlier, budget staff want to have the bookend.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 8217.45, "end": 8221.091, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 8221.155, "end": 8222.17, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 8223.475, "end": 8223.974, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 8224.039, "end": 8229.728, "text": "I just wanted to underscore double exclamation points about the training of council staff.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 8230.424, "end": 8236.562, "text": "I had the— I was fortunate to have a chief of staff that worked in the budget office and was a whiz.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 8237.081, "end": 8238.963, "text": "So I don't have that capacity anymore.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 8239.093, "end": 8241.219, "text": "And so I think it's important that we have a training program in place.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 8241.803, "end": 8247.874, "text": "It allows me to be more objective, I think, on this and say it's so important that we all get that kind of training.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 8248.468, "end": 8250.283, "text": "And I understand the read-only function.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 8250.878, "end": 8257.479, "text": "But then when you're in there, I think underscoring the same frustration of trying to really find out where the money went.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 8257.88, "end": 8269.267, "text": "So I know that under some bureaus there's this big payout that goes to this nonprofit to do this work, but I can't find it when I'm I just want to know.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 8269.973, "end": 8275.497, "text": "I'm always going to prioritize our employees as much as possible.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 8276.091, "end": 8282.722, "text": "And I think it's hard for me to make that equation when I can't see where— how much money is going out to external partners.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 8283.139, "end": 8284.938, "text": "I'm not against external partners at all.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 8284.986, "end": 8285.709, "text": "I believe in that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 8286.11, "end": 8292.966, "text": "However, I think at a time where we've been doing layoffs, it's more important than ever to be crystal clear and transparent about that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 8294.199, "end": 8302.399, "text": "Um, and then another ditto to, um, I'm trying to say this, the council priorities starting in, in January no matter who, what regime.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 8304.598, "end": 8305.083, "text": "Your word.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 8307.411, "end": 8308.93, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 8309.351, "end": 8313.26, "text": "Uh, Councilor— yeah, I mean, you know, I'm, I'm running a regime.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 8313.309, "end": 8313.696, "text": "I got this.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 8314.035, "end": 8315.777, "text": "And, and I'm, and I'm not doing it next year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 8315.826, "end": 8316.52, "text": "Y'all get ready.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 8316.794, "end": 8317.601, "text": "Councilor—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 8317.762, "end": 8318.343, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 8318.408, "end": 8318.779, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 8320.514, "end": 8321.956, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 8322.037, "end": 8335.086, "text": "Just— I just want to say, as it relates to the conversation around the calendar and how much of a calendar you put together, that I think having a robust calendar that says draft all over it is really important.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 8335.182, "end": 8355.855, "text": "Having sat in a room with Council Operations and with the budget team and tried to figure out how much I should put on paper so that the next council president potentially had a place to start from or a place to veer from, but we could all pencil in our schedules and staff could pencil in their schedules in the meantime.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 8356.416, "end": 8358.486, "text": "I think it is so important to have something.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 8359.224, "end": 8361.887, "text": "We don't know who the next council president will be.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 8361.967, "end": 8364.213, "text": "We don't know what they are going to want this to look like.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 8364.293, "end": 8379.643, "text": "But to walk into that office with very nothing is a surefire way to make sure that council Council as a whole is behind the ball and frankly to limit our power with relationship to the executive branch pretty significantly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 8379.804, "end": 8389.31, "text": "So I would be supportive of you doing whatever you need to, to make sure that council can continue operating smoothly even through a transition.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 8391.043, "end": 8392.145, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 8392.809, "end": 8393.279, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 8394.267, "end": 8414.984, "text": "Yeah, and I just want to reiterate that you know, when you're already in leadership and you basically are controlling the calendar for next year and supporting to have your staff pencil in things already, that is not a fairness that I think that the rest of us has.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 8415.097, "end": 8416.406, "text": "We don't— I'm not in leadership.", "speaker": "Loretta 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do appreciate you putting something forward, but whoever is the, the new council president, they need the same respect that the two of you had in the prior 2 years to be able to put their own calendar together.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 8459.61, "end": 8459.863, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 8460.049, "end": 8461.216, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 8462.53, "end": 8463.11, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 8465.285, "end": 8465.558, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 8465.929, "end": 8476.28, "text": "Um, as one of 12 people, 13 people who were elected and have lived now through 2 regimes, uh, first was the Pirtle-Guiney regime, now is, now is the time of the Dunphy regime.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 8476.864, "end": 8477.985, "text": "I don't know what the third regime is going to be.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 8479.456, "end": 8484.771, "text": "But I know that Portlanders expect us to plan and to think about the future.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 8485.173, "end": 8490.808, "text": "So I think, I think it'd be wildly irresponsible to not put forward a calendar now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 8491.804, "end": 8494.245, "text": "Of course, the future council can change at any time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 8494.453, "end": 8497.135, "text": "There's no council action that can ever bind a future council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 8497.841, "end": 8500.651, "text": "But that's— you just gotta, you just gotta put forward a plan.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 8500.956, "end": 8504.296, "text": "And we were up here saying that we want earlier engagement.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 8504.344, "end": 8505.804, "text": "We want to start planning earlier.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 8506.832, "end": 8511.181, "text": "That's not consistent with waiting until January 1st to take up a new calendar.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 8511.261, "end": 8511.983, "text": "So I support this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 8512.208, "end": 8512.513, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 8512.914, "end": 8521.405, "text": "And just for clarity's sake, when I came into office in January, we had already approved a budget calendar by resolution.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 8521.453, "end": 8526.749, "text": "So I came in with a calendar approved for me and we tweaked it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" 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President, appreciate getting an early start.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 8555.06, "end": 8570.73, "text": "Um, it is really important, as I mentioned in the beginning, for staff to have some clarity about what the process is, not not just for staff, but that will help with things that we've all identified that we care about: accuracy, time to have robust communication.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 8572.4, "end": 8575.12, "text": "I just want to acknowledge we haven't— we've kind of seen a precursory look.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 8575.12, "end": 8579.11, "text": "And so I just want to also acknowledge we had some questions that we're going to work with Council President's office.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 8579.32, "end": 8587.72, "text": "So I mentioned that in the context of I wouldn't lean too heavily into the dates right now because we still need to have that dialogue to make sure it's consistent with what we technically execute.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 8587.72, "end": 8587.76, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 8588.237, "end": 8595.652, "text": "And certainly work with Council President, current or future, to continue to make sure that what's proposed is actually implementable within the budget system.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 8595.716, "end": 8599.343, "text": "So I wanted to just tee that up before we talk about some of those dates from our perspective.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 8600.37, "end": 8600.611, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 8601.478, "end": 8605.763, "text": "And yeah, we already had much of this conversation, but just gonna show a few slides.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 8605.827, "end": 8606.742, "text": "This should look familiar.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 8607.047, "end": 8613.193, "text": "So these are the sort of required pieces of the calendar that do need to be written.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 8614.471, "end": 8615.535, "text": "More or less in stone.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 8619.1, "end": 8622.709, "text": "So just that, that's been shown before, but just want to make sure that's clear.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 8622.918, "end": 8628.285, "text": "And then the slides we've provided have 2 example calendars.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 8628.479, "end": 8633.432, "text": "Council President's differs and also is much more detailed than these 2.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 8633.965, "end": 8650.173, "text": "The point of these slides was just to begin— again, Council 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I'm trying to make sure that there's not any one month that has like 4 things going on because we just won't honestly be able to deliver that at that point.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 8798.733, "end": 8800.849, "text": "So that is all I have.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 8800.961, "end": 8801.185, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 8805.376, "end": 8806.42, "text": "Jonas, you want to take us away?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 8807.207, "end": 8808.989, "text": "Um, yeah, so thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 8809.294, "end": 8813.854, "text": "And yeah, I just wanted to take a minute as we wrap up to just appreciate the conversation.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 8814.047, "end": 8820.389, "text": "I mean, this is really, really valuable, um, both the conversations we've had leading into this, uh, and then the conversation today.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 8820.614, "end": 8832.711, "text": "Obviously, you know, we're here to support you and to support your decision-making and ultimately to support Portlanders in, in getting the right decisions around the budget so we can get the right services delivered into the community.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 8833.448, "end": 8838.337, "text": "I know, we all know, because we've experienced the first 2 years were really, really difficult.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 8839.155, "end": 8851.193, "text": "It won't be easy, but I'm optimistic that it'll be a lot less difficult than we've had as we've sort of navigated 2 years of really fundamental change around how we think about budgets and how we manage that process.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 8852.364, "end": 8853.117, "text": "So look forward to that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 8853.229, "end": 8853.325, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 8855.413, "end": 8863.264, "text": "Lastly, I'll just sort of be real that, A, you know, as we look through the options we presented, nothing was listed as impossible.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 8864.083, "end": 8865.593, "text": "There were some things that were listed as challenging.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 8865.705, "end": 8867.054, "text": "Nothing was listed as impossible.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 8867.873, "end": 8881.569, "text": "But largely the body of everything we've described is really kind of the holy grail, the right mix and balance of strategic direction, of public engagement, of transparency, and ultimately of efficiency.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 8882.837, "end": 8884.543, "text": "So that's the dream.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 8884.929, "end": 8890.125, "text": "I'm really, really glad that we can talk about that and start to put some framework around how we start to implement that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 8890.801, "end": 8891.912, "text": "It will take multiple years.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 8892.749, "end": 8901.14, "text": "We're here for it and appreciate that we have chance to have the dialogue so we can help collectively form that future so we can achieve that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 8901.286, "end": 8901.676, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 8903.319, "end": 8906.474, "text": "Colleagues, I want to thank you all for the conversation we've had today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 8907.516, "end": 8911.91, "text": "Jonas, Ruth, thank you for your willingness to continue to iterate and improve.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 8912.728, "end": 8914.845, "text": "Uh, we've made your jobs hard over the last 2 years.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8914.893, "end": 8916.224, "text": "Our jobs have been hard as well.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8916.897, "end": 8922.782, "text": "Uh, I'm wildly optimistic that it will be incrementally less hard this year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8923.472, "end": 8925.364, "text": "Um, we're not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8925.412, "end": 8927.994, "text": "We're going to find places that we can improve these things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8928.042, "end": 8928.972, "text": "We will make mistakes.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8929.02, "end": 8929.79, "text": "We will find things.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8930.287, "end": 8939.172, "text": "We will try things that will not work, and we will continue to iterate towards the process of a transparent, accountable public process that also doesn't drive everybody crazy.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8939.415, "end": 8940.711, "text": "Colleagues, thank you for your time today.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8940.775, "end": 8941.86, "text": "We are adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8941.925, "end": 8942.249, "text": "Adjourned.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" } ] }