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<v Loretta Smith>Keelan, let, um, Council President know that I'm on, that I'm on live.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'll do it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll resign from council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I am calling to order this meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It is Wednesday, September 9th.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can you please call the roll?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Good morning.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Um.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Present.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please, uh, read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

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<v Robert Taylor>Good morning.

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<v Robert Taylor>Welcome to Portland City Council.

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<v Robert Taylor>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

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<v Robert Taylor>Information on engaging with the council can be found on the council Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Robert Taylor>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Robert Taylor>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Robert Taylor>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Robert Taylor>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Robert Taylor>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Robert Taylor>Additionally, Council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Robert Taylor>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Robert Taylor>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Robert Taylor>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Robert Taylor>And virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the Council Clerk calls your name.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we have a jam-packed agenda, and unfortunately it looks like we are going to have jam-packed agendas for the remainder of this year.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Last year, or last week, we went 4 hours long and multiple councilors spoke individually Usually for more than 30 minutes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I will be limiting debate today to 5 minutes per councilor per item.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You're welcome to get back into the queue, but we have to get through a lot of stuff today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>First item on our agenda is always the approval of the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>However, the following items were pulled from the consent agenda this week.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>A community member with a fiduciary interest in the property up for foreclosure pulled item 16, which is regarding 2734 And 2738 Northeast Alberta Street to give testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That request came in before the agenda publication, and the item is placed first on the regular agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The administration came to arrangements with the property owners of properties in foreclosure related to documents 252, 257, and 258, and has asked that they be pulled and referred back to the mayor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Smith pulled document 306 related to the council public information officer classification documents 247, 248, 250, 253, 260, and 261, all foreclosures, for further discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That certainly means that we will not get to item 21, advertising on bus benches, or item 22, data center NDAs, today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>If anyone is here for that, I apologize, we will not hear that today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like to move to postpone both of these items, most likely data centers to next week and bus benches to the following, pending feedback from the sponsors.

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<v Dan Ryan>Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, may I have unanimous consent to reschedule these items?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Those items are rescheduled.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And for today, the items that have been pulled from consent have been placed at the end of the agenda in order, as is standard practice.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like to place at the beginning of the regular agenda documents 252, 257, and 258, the foreclosures that are going to be sent back to the mayor as a package, followed immediately by document 306, The council PIO position.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll leave the rest of the foreclosures at the end of the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>May I have unanimous consent to do so?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The order items are reordered.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Are there any other requests to amend the agenda, to reorder items, or reschedule an item for a future meeting date?

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<v Dan Ryan>Council President, I'm just curious, um, items 18, 19, and 20, they've been, uh, read, uh, previously, some multiple times, and we've had People come to the council multiple times, and I don't want to sit through another meeting where we don't get to items 19 and 20, for example.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I would, as is standard practice, we will not be having staff presentation on the items that were pulled from consent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll be turning to the councilor who specifically pulled them and ask if she has specific questions about them.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I believe that Councilor Smith may be amenable to calling items 15 through 20 as an—.

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<v Dan Ryan>I don't want to take up more time, but I would be very upset if we don't get through item 20.

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<v Dan Ryan>20 Today, because it's becoming quite concerning why we're dragging this out so long.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yep.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, sir.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Knoll?

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's for the next time.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Understood.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The agenda is approved.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call public communications?

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<v Keelan McClymont>First up today, we have Kat Inez.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kat, can you hear us?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kat, you're muted.

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<v Loretta Smith>Can you hear me?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yes, we see you and hear you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Awesome.

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<v Cat Innes>Good morning, my name is Cat Innes.

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<v Cat Innes>I live in Beaverton and regularly travel to Portland to spend money at Portland businesses and produce events here.

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<v Cat Innes>I'm here to talk about ODOT's 5-week closure on southbound I-5.

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<v Cat Innes>I want to be clear, I support repairing this infrastructure.

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<v Cat Innes>I support doing it in a way that makes sure that workers are safe.

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<v Cat Innes>I want the road fixed.

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<v Cat Innes>What I'm questioning is how ODOT determined that the 5-week continuous closure was the most cost-effective way and whose costs were included in that calculation.

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<v Cat Innes>A project doesn't simply become cheaper because the costs move off ODOT's balance sheets.

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<v Cat Innes>I've already experienced this on both sides.

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<v Cat Innes>As a customer, I regularly drive from Beaverton to a small fitness studio in Portland, and during this closure, I'm choosing not to make that trip.

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<v Cat Innes>That's money I would normally spend in Portland businesses that's not reaching the business I'm also a small event producer with an event in October at the Star during this closure.

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<v Cat Innes>I don't know how many people won't decide to buy a ticket because they're worried about traffic.

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<v Cat Innes>I don't know how the closure might affect my performers, crew, audience, and everyone traveling to the venue.

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<v Cat Innes>And that's part of why I'm here.

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<v Cat Innes>My question, when ODOT says construction alternative is cheaper than another, is anyone measuring costs like mine?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith.

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<v Cat Innes>I'm only one person, but multiply that impact across the region.

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<v Cat Innes>Businesses will lose customers and revenue.

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<v Cat Innes>Workers will spend more time— additional time in commute and fuel.

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<v Cat Innes>Freight and delivery will encounter congestion, driving up the cost of goods.

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<v Cat Innes>And Portland streets will absorb traffic displaced from I-5.

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<v Cat Innes>Those are real costs, even when they don't appear on ODOT's budget sheet.

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<v Cat Innes>I understand this closure begins in 2 days.

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<v Cat Innes>I'm not asking for it to stop.

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<v Cat Innes>I'm asking you to learn from it.

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<v Cat Innes>This won't be the last major transportation disruption Portland faces.

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<v Cat Innes>We have additional work needed on I-5 and a much bigger interstate bridge replacement project ahead of us.

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<v Cat Innes>I ask the council to document the economic and transportation impacts during these 5 weeks and ask ODOT to publicly show what's included when comparing alternatives.

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<v Cat Innes>Did it assign a value to freight delays, road time user loss of business activity, additional fuel consumption?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Cat Innes>I found all this information difficult to find.

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<v Cat Innes>If those costs were included, please show us the analysis.

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<v Cat Innes>If they weren't, we should ask why and make, and make sure they consider it before the major next project, because Oregon has enormous transportation investments in front of us.

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<v Cat Innes>Oregonians deserve good stewardship of both our transportation system and our public dollars that support it.

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<v Cat Innes>Good stewardship isn't simply finding the least expensive way to build.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith.

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<v Cat Innes>Complete a project.

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<v Cat Innes>It's understanding the total cost of the choices we make, including borne by the public.

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<v Cat Innes>Oregon residents and businesses have their time too— or Oregon residents' time and businesses have value too.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you so much today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have David Dysart.

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<v David Dysart>Good morning.

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<v David Dysart>Good morning.

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<v David Dysart>My name is Dan Ryan.

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<v David Dysart>I've lived in the downtown area for nearly 20 years and in Portland on both sides of the river for the better part of 37 years.

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<v David Dysart>Portland's grown significantly during that time.

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<v David Dysart>But the city's leadership has failed to address many of the challenges and crises that follow.

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<v David Dysart>We're living with the consequences of small thinking, naive assumptions, and bureaucratic finger-pointing.

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<v David Dysart>We can't solve our big problems if we care more about process than outcomes.

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<v David Dysart>Too often we've made the perfect the enemy of the good.

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<v David Dysart>It's like being surprised 200 people couldn't agree on the perfect sobering sentence, so they just gave up.

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<v David Dysart>But at least every conceivable interest group Too often we're more focused on virtue signaling to our tribes than helping the most vulnerable among us, more concerned about ideology than individuals in need.

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<v David Dysart>Our downtown and adjacent neighborhoods are at the center of these challenges.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry, pause for a quick sec.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Your microphone is off.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, staff, are we able to get the microphone turned on at the desk there?

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<v Mitch Green>There we go.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I see the little green light.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry, sorry to interrupt.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Please go ahead.

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<v David Dysart>Do I need to begin again?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, why don't you go ahead and start over?

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<v David Dysart>Thanks for the trial run.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That's great.

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<v David Dysart>Good morning.

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<v David Dysart>My name is David Dysart.

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<v David Dysart>I've lived in the downtown area for nearly 20 years and in Portland on both sides of the river for the better part of 37 years.

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<v David Dysart>Portland's grown significantly during that time, but the city's leadership has failed to address many of the challenges and crises that followed.

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<v David Dysart>We're living with the consequences of small thinking, naive assumptions, and bureaucratic finger-pointing.

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<v David Dysart>We can't solve our big problems if we care more about process than outcomes.

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<v David Dysart>Too often we've made the perfect the enemy of the good, like being surprised 200 people couldn't agree on the perfect sobering center, so they just gave up.

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<v David Dysart>But at least every conceivable interest group got a voice in doing nothing.

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<v David Dysart>And too often we're more focused on virtue signaling to our tribes than helping the most vulnerable among us, more concerned about ideology than individuals in need.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v David Dysart>Our downtown and adjacent neighborhoods are at the center of these challenges.

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<v David Dysart>They bear the brunt of them.

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<v David Dysart>Downtown isn't just another neighborhood.

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<v David Dysart>It's our heart, and it's on life support.

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<v David Dysart>Portlanders have lost confidence in this council.

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<v David Dysart>Taking up ideologically driven agendas from special interests sends a message you're not focused on the critical challenges we face.

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<v David Dysart>Perception is reality in politics, and you're squandering the precious bandwidth you have to win hearts and minds.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v David Dysart>We need to care more about who's on our streets than who's in the White House.

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<v David Dysart>We need to care more about who's on our streets than who's in the White House.

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<v David Dysart>Trips to Europe for social housing ideas, banning niche food and renaming already renamed streets.

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<v David Dysart>Our house is on fire and we're picking out curtains.

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<v David Dysart>If you're not focused on economic development, people in crisis on our streets, and public safety, you're not meeting the moment.

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<v David Dysart>Your inaction is doing the talking.

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<v David Dysart>We're hemorrhaging our tax base, driving out the very people and businesses we need to fund basic services.

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<v David Dysart>It used to be a no-brainer to be in Portland.

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<v David Dysart>Now it's a challenged choice.

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<v David Dysart>It's vital we attract more investment and visitors downtown, but we are either unwilling or unable to meaningfully address the human crisis on our streets.

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<v David Dysart>Name one entrance to downtown where visitors don't either immediately or within short distance confront a humanitarian crisis.

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<v David Dysart>We declared a state of emergency on the houseless 20 years ago.

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<v David Dysart>Can we blame folks for thinking we have no idea how to run a city?

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<v David Dysart>Why in 2026 are the same first 4 blocks that folks encounter from the Burnside Bridge into downtown a dystopian nightmare?

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<v David Dysart>Over 40,000 trips go across that bridge every day.

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<v David Dysart>When people see this chaos, they perceive the city is in crisis and unable to deal with its challenges.

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<v Mitch Green>Councilmember Herbold.

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<v David Dysart>Leading many to avoid downtown and for some, Portland altogether.

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<v David Dysart>That's not keeping Portland weird.

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<v David Dysart>It's keeping Portland broke.

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<v David Dysart>Thank you for your time.

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<v David Dysart>Good day.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Addie Smith.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Addie, you're muted.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Can you hear us?

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<v Alata Fajina>Um, I'm sorry, Keelan, can you go to the next person and let me go last, please?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Sure thing.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, we'll go on to Alata Fajina.

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<v Alata Fajina>Alata?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Um, all right, we'll go on to Roger Wohl.

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<v Roger Wohl>We're just laughing about what showed up up there.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>A little levity is well recommended.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please feel free to introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Roger Wohl>Good morning.

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<v Roger Wohl>My name is Roger Wohl, and I am here representing the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation and the Oregon Rail Heritage Center.

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<v Roger Wohl>We're located at Tilikum Crossing Bridge at Southeast Water Avenue, and we're part of District 3.

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<v Roger Wohl>Here today with me are Renee Devereaux, our executive director, Rick Franklin, the board chair president, and Jim Thomas, a board member, and a former deputy city attorney, David Gerling.

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<v Roger Wohl>I want to begin with something that you all may not know.

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<v Roger Wohl>The City of Portland owns 3 historic steam locomotives, gigantic steam locomotives.

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<v Roger Wohl>They're housed at the Oregon Rail Heritage Center on land also owned by the City of Portland.

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<v Roger Wohl>So we have a very close relationship.

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<v Roger Wohl>Those locomotives are entrusted to our care through agreements with the city.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Roger Wohl>For both the preservation and their operation.

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<v Roger Wohl>These aren't just simply museum artifacts.

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<v Roger Wohl>They are part of Portland's living history.

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<v Roger Wohl>They include the Southern Pacific 4449, one of the world's best-known steam locomotives.

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<v Roger Wohl>It was the American Freedom Train in 1976 bicentennial, pulling historical artifacts over 30,000 miles over 27 months around this nation.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Roger Wohl>These locomotives bring visitors to Portland from across the country and around the world.

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<v Roger Wohl>They provide schoolchildren, families, and the public an opportunity to learn how railroads and diverse workers helped to build Portland and our nation, and the important role railroads continue to play today.

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<v Roger Wohl>More than 40,000 people visit the Rail Heritage Center each year, and our excursion trains carry approximately 30,000 passengers.

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<v Roger Wohl>You may have heard the Holiday Express whistle during the holiday season.

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<v Roger Wohl>Today we have an opportunity to protect the railroad that makes much of that possible.

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<v Roger Wohl>ORF has entered into an agreement to purchase and permanently preserve the Oregon Pacific Railroad, which runs adjacent to us.

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<v Roger Wohl>This is not an abandoned railroad we hope someday to restore.

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<v Roger Wohl>It is a working railroad in Portland today.

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<v Roger Wohl>It serves industrial businesses, connects with both the Union Pacific and BNSF, and preserves a rare and unique urban freight corridor.

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<v Roger Wohl>Once a railroad corridor like this disappears, it is almost impossible to recreate.

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<v Roger Wohl>It is also a railroad of our historic trains operate on.

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<v Roger Wohl>Purchases will be permanently protect our operations strengthen our educational and tourism programs, and preserve an important infrastructure.

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<v Roger Wohl>ORF has applied for funding through the Oregon State Connect Oregon program, and we're asking that you support us today, not with funding, but with a letter to the Oregon Department of Transportation to support this purchase and the preservation of this corridor in Portland, Oregon.

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<v Roger Wohl>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Addie, can you hear us?

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<v Addie Smith>Yes, I'm ready.

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<v Addie Smith>Give me one second.

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<v Addie Smith>I apologize, I dropped my laptop, so it's going haywire.

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<v Addie Smith>Hello, my name is Addie Smith.

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<v Addie Smith>Today's Wednesday, September 9th, 2026.

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<v Addie Smith>I'm speaking before the Portland City Council.

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<v Addie Smith>I want to once again call out Sophie Peel at the Willamette Weekly for her racist and biased reporting on Ivory Matthews, the former CEO at Home Forward.

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<v Addie Smith>Home Forward still employs Ian Davies, the chief operating officer, who's likely responsible for the $30 million shortfall.

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<v Addie Smith>As Chief Operating Officer, he was responsible for the mid- and long-term operations of HomeForward's real estate portfolio, making strategic recommendations on sales, capital issues, and most importantly, cash flow.

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<v Addie Smith>The COO should analyze property performance to balance financial returns with improving housing stability and the tenant experience, integrate safety standards across properties, and build frameworks for leadership responses to urgent emergency situations.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Addie Smith>The Chief Operating Officer is responsible for overseeing the daily execution of strategic and operational objectives.

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<v Addie Smith>They lead the organization's housing service and asset management programs, ensuring that operations are aligned with the organization's mission and racial equity goals.

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<v Addie Smith>Ian Davey has not done this and should be terminated.

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<v Addie Smith>Sophie Peel, a white woman, hasn't mentioned Ian Davey's Once.

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<v Addie Smith>She also hasn't mentioned the former Chief Financial Officer Candy Sage, another white woman, in any of her reporting.

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<v Addie Smith>It is racist and it is biased.

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<v Addie Smith>Ian Davies has been with Home Forward for 7 years and Candy Sage was with Home Forward for over 20 years.

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<v Addie Smith>Not to mention her silence on uneducated and unqualified Michael Bonacore, who's been with Home Forward for over 20 years, but mentions the over $30 million shortfall.

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<v Addie Smith>We're talking about training A Black woman attended who worked for Home Forward for 4 years.

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<v Addie Smith>Next, I want to call out the Democratic Party of Oregon officers Nathan Soltz, Kim Schmidt, Eileen Keeley, Diane Grover, Kian Trong, Steph Newton, and especially Candy Emmons and Ron Morgan.

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<v Addie Smith>The Democratic Party of Oregon officers are racist.

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<v Addie Smith>Candy Emmons told a Black woman that she wasn't a fit to volunteer at the state fair.

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<v Addie Smith>This after the Black woman had signed up.

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<v Addie Smith>Thank you.

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<v Addie Smith>Scheduled the time slot, gone to the booth training, and set aside time to go.

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<v Addie Smith>This Black woman is an elected PCP, mails dozens of postcards, volunteers their time with multiple Democratic Party committees, and more.

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<v Addie Smith>She's also been asked to canvass for the current governor.

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<v Addie Smith>However, Candy Emmons says she's not a fit to volunteer at a booth, yet people register to vote at the state fair.

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<v Addie Smith>It's time to remove Nathan Schultz and all of the officers in the Democratic Party of Oregon.

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<v Addie Smith>They've ignored numerous racist experiences.

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<v Addie Smith>Why are Black people consistently told to focus on making sure a Republican doesn't take office over anti-Blackness and racism within the party?

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<v Addie Smith>These are white Democrats being racist to Black Democrats within the party.

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<v Addie Smith>It is time for new leadership.

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<v Addie Smith>I also want to call out the city council, Gresham City Council, Multnomah County Commissioners, and the mayor for keeping the same board members in place at Home Forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Addie Smith>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Our alternate today is Susan Murnahan.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Susan?

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<v Keelan McClymont>That completes public communications.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, our next item is the consent agenda approval.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Keelan, can you please call the— can you please read the consent agenda?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah, um, the consent agenda, um, I'll call the roll for the remainder of the items on the consent agenda that weren't pulled.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan?

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The consent agenda is approved with 12 aye votes.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call items 6, 7, and 8 together as a packet?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, sorry, just a second.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Let me make sure.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, item— our document 2026-252, initiate foreclosure action on 7250 Northeast Lombard Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2— oh, sorry, document 2026-257, initiate foreclosure action on 4324 Southeast 65th Avenue for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

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<v Keelan McClymont>And document 2026-258, initiate foreclosure action on 6627 Southeast Woodstock Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Keelan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, uh, Revenue has asked that these items be referred back to the mayor's office, which they have the right to do.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But I see Councilor Kanal has—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I would object to referring back item 6.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, okay, so we have— and, and if I can take 30 seconds to speak to it, it's simply that this isn't our district.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I've gotten absolutely no information on what's gone on, and I don't think it's appropriate for the administration to use the council agenda as leverage without actually talking to us about what's going on here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So the numbers are changing on the agenda, just so everybody knows.

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<v Sameer Kanal>This is the Lombard one.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Gotcha.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm referring to 2026-252.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, uh, the administration does have the right to pull items back, and so, uh, I will be asking for the council to have further— for further information on this as the administration pulls it back.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But, uh, Then thank you for coming up, but I don't actually need you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, the administration has the right to pull these back, and so these 3 items will be placed on file.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Keelan, can we please call item number 9?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, document 2026-306, create new non-represented classification of council public information officer and Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Since this item was on consent, there is not a staff summary report for it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, you pulled this item.

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<v Loretta Smith>You're welcome to— Can you read the item, please, Keelan?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yes, I can repeat the title.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Create a new non-represented classification of council public Information Officer and establish a compensation range for this classification.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-306.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>I pulled this item because I wasn't quite clear what it was and what the objective was, was going to be for this.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, it is in Council Operations.

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<v Loretta Smith>I thought this particular position was under the city administrator, and I had further conversation with— is Is Dana here?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Dana is in the back of the room.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, come on up, Dana.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I just wanted to make sure that, um, Dana— we had a conversation yesterday, and I just wanted to make sure that this was a position that was to serve all of council, that this was not a, um, uh, A CA Lee position.

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<v Loretta Smith>This was not a mayor's position.

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<v Loretta Smith>This is the position that will serve all 12 of us, and that's what I wanted to make sure.

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<v Loretta Smith>And we had that conversation in private, but I wanted to say it out here.

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<v Loretta Smith>That was the reason why I pulled it.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sure.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor—.

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<v Dana Richardson>Uh, Council President and Councilor Smith, that's correct.

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<v Dana Richardson>This position has been—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Dana Richardson>Oh darn it, thanks.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Uh, good morning.

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<v Dana Richardson>Dana Richardson, Council Operations Manager.

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<v Dana Richardson>Um, this position has currently been serving the council doing a lot of these duties as our senior council aide.

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<v Keelan McClymont>There—.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's the reason for this new classification, is to better reflect the scope, um, of the work of this individual.

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<v Dana Richardson>And yes, they work on behalf of the entire council.

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<v Loretta Smith>And the one point that you made that was very, um, that, that was, that was clear, that the reason why I pulled it in addition to that other issue was that it had something to do with personnel and labor.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I thought, wow, why is this person doing labor.

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<v Loretta Smith>So can you explain the other reason why, um, this job description was, was, uh, described in this way?

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<v Dana Richardson>Yes, Councilor Smith.

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<v Dana Richardson>Um, as the classification is presented, this position is non-represented, and it will allow the person in this position to speak on behalf of the council when the council has a united position on a labor or personnel issue.

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<v Loretta Smith>Relating to our employees in labor.

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<v Dana Richardson>Exactly.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>I appreciate it, and thank you for coming up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there any further discussion on this item?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, this item now moves to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call, um, sorry, item— new item number 10, the, uh, Northeast Alberta Street foreclosure.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-, uh, I'm sorry, you know what, let me make sure I'm calling the right one.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Um, the document—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, document, uh, 2026-256.

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<v Keelan McClymont>There we go.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you so much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Initiate, uh, document 2026-256 Initiate foreclosure action on 2734 through 2738 Northeast Alberta Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, uh, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>As before, this was an item that was pulled from consent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There's not a staff summary report available.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I understand there is a person available here to speak to this item, but I will turn to Councilor Avalos and see if she possibly has any opening remarks on it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You are welcome to say no.

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<v Candace Avalos>Well, I do.

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<v Candace Avalos>Yeah.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

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<v Candace Avalos>I'll share my chair remarks.

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<v Candace Avalos>So these ordinances come to the council from Housing and Permitting.

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<v Candace Avalos>They authorize the city treasurer to initiate foreclosure proceedings on delinquent city liens.

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<v Candace Avalos>And these were identified through the city's vacant and distressed properties process and were determined to meet the criteria for foreclosure under city administrative rule.

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<v Candace Avalos>The committee first heard these items on July 21st, and they're definitely Definitely, as you can see, was a lot of mixing around of things.

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<v Candace Avalos>But, um, at that meeting— oh boy, whatever I was reading just disappeared in front of my eyes.

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<v Candace Avalos>Uh, okay, hold on.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, shoot, one second.

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<v Candace Avalos>Uh, okay, so, um, rather than immediately advancing the full package, we continued the items to August 4th, um, to give the committee members additional time to understand.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, and then that additional time did result in some changes, and so that's why we've got some properties that, um, were ultimately withdrawn after some resolutions were reached, uh, including owners satisfying outstanding balances or entering into payment plans.

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<v Candace Avalos>We also, um, held the Herald Street property in committee to give the property's owner— uh, property owner's family additional time to determine whether they can resolve the situation.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, and yeah, I think that's all for now.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, I understand there is someone signed up for public testimony on this.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, yeah, we have one person signed up.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Miso Honey.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry, somebody is trolling us, Council President.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, is that what— I didn't, I didn't hear it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Inappropriate.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Fair enough.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I did not catch that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, seeing no one else to discuss this, this item— colleagues, is there any further council discussion on this?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, this item moves to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call, uh, new item number 11, which is document 2026-272?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, sorry.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, item, uh, yeah, document 2026-272, appropriate grant award of $35 million for Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, This is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We've already had testimony and, uh, staff summary report.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any further council discussion on this item?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, Keelan, can we please call the roll?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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00:36:38.454 --> 00:36:39.385
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

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00:36:39.724 --> 00:36:39.739
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with a vote of 12 ayes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call item— new number item number 12, document 2026-243?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Authorize exception to Code Chapter 17.93, renaming city streets, and authorize the renaming of Cesar E. Chavez Boulevard to Campesinos Boulevard.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Allow exceptions to Code Sections 17.93.010, 17.93.020, 17.93.030, 17.93.040, and 17.93.041.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we heard public testimony on this, but this was continued as a first— I believe it was continued as a continued first reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But I also understand that Councilor Koyama Lane has an amendment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Koyama Lane, am I wrong?

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<v Candace Avalos>Point of order.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, okay, I'm wrong.

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<v Loretta Smith>Second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This is the second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, but I still understand Councilor Koyama Lane has an amendment.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, first I would like to welcome our Mexican Consul General Carlos Quesnel.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Who's here with us today.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's an honor to have him here.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The conversation last week was really moving and meaningful.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I want to thank all my colleagues for engaging in very thoughtful ways, honoring the Campesinos community and movement while also acknowledging and addressing the concerns of the residents who want to revert it back to 39th.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And it's really important that we recognize the work of activists and community Naming a street is one of the most visible, permanent ways a city can honor historical legacies, communities.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Additionally, it's important that we listen to survivors like Dolores Huerta and honor Latinx labor leaders and farmworkers by renaming this boulevard to Campesinos.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you to all of the community members who came to testify and support our city's continued commitment to our values.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And as Councilor Smith said at our last meeting, we are making history.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It's true.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>History is now, and I hope the history books tell a story of a community that took a stand to honor labor leaders, survivors, and marginalized community members, and ultimately change the code to make a better process for everyone.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That's what we're gonna work on next.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Additionally, I'd like to introduce an amendment.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Our ordinance as it stands has not accounted for the double signage requirement that's in the current code, which requires featuring both Cesar Chavez Boulevard and Calpacinos for 5 years.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>This would be unacceptable because of the circumstances around Chavez.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so this amendment waives the 5-year requirement and seeks to remove Chavez's name from our streets as soon as possible.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>This amendment was crafted with the support of folks in PBOT, with DCA, and also a city attorney helped with this, and also Councilor Smith.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And as Councilor Knoll said last week, supporting survivors is part of our commitment to equity.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Moving quickly on this rather than debating it indefinitely is itself a form of that support.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for those words.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I would like to formally move Koyama Lane 1.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane moves Koyama Lane 1.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there a second?

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<v Olivia Clark>Second.

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<v Loretta Smith>Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clark, just a little bit there.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clark seconds.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of the amendment?

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<v Candace Avalos>Point of information, where is the amendment?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It should be in your inbox.

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<v Candace Avalos>In our inbox.

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<v Jonas Biery>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>To discussion of the amendment, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah, Council President, I'm sorry to have to ask questions about this, um, but I would like to ask a question of the PBOT director.

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<v Olivia Clark>What?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Interim DCA.

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<v Loretta Smith>You're right.

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<v Millicent Williams>Also acting PBOT director.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Interim DCA and acting PBOT director Williams.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When we had a discussion about the underlying item, I asked you about how the transition would work and the notification of the various entities that make changes in systems so people can still have their daily lives continue.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That was a concern that I heard raised by multiple people who live along the street.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is the retention of 2 street signs for 5 years Something that we do to help individuals going down the street with wayfinding, or is it something that we do because there is a technical implication for all of those various mapping entities and apps and things like that, which we would be changing by limiting this to a 1-year period of time?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Essentially what I'm trying to understand is, is this, um, Is this about people recognizing what street it is, and is this about the name and keeping a name up there that folks rightfully want removed, or is there a more technical implication that would have an impact on the people who live on the street and their ability to live their daily lives?

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<v Millicent Williams>Good morning, Councilor.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you very much for the question.

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<v Millicent Williams>For the record, Millicent Williams, Deputy City Administrator, Interim Deputy City Administrator for Public Works.

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<v Millicent Williams>And Acting PBOT Director.

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<v Millicent Williams>To address your question, it's a little bit of both.

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<v Millicent Williams>There is the technical need for us to maintain the signs and the naming convention as it currently exists today, and that's for any street.

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<v Millicent Williams>But there's also the need to acknowledge that it does take the time to transition those names through all of the entities that we discussed last week, to include the U.S.

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<v Millicent Williams>Postal Service, of Of course, the State Department of Transportation and others, the mapping services, all of those folks need to be made aware of those changes.

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<v Millicent Williams>The reduction in the amount of time does not change the urgency and the need to address that name changing.

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<v Millicent Williams>And for the record, it does not keep historical systems from acknowledging even 39th Street.

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<v Millicent Williams>So there are systems today that if you access them looking for Cesar Chavez, Yes.

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<v Millicent Williams>So there's a longstanding history of names showing up on the record for a very long period of time, allowing people the opportunity to change their deeds, to change the stationery, to change whatever they need to change without there being a significant impediment to them being able to receive whatever it is that they need to receive, for banks to be able to make the changes that need to be made.

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<v Millicent Williams>And for there not to be any punitive or accidental skipping of people receiving whatever it is that they need.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So does—.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm sorry, does limiting this from 5 years to 1 year create a technical difference in implementation and in the experience for people who live on the street, or is it simply about what sign happens to be on the street corner and there is no So there's no technical difference?

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<v Millicent Williams>There's no technical difference.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Steve Novick>I also have a question for the acting deputy.

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<v Steve Novick>So I just wanted to— I think that this relates— for how long will the post office deliver mail to Cesar Chavez?

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<v Steve Novick>In fact, does the post office even still deliver mail to 39th?

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<v Millicent Williams>Yes, forever.

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<v Millicent Williams>They will continue to deliver to 39th, to Cesar Chavez, and then to the newly named street.

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<v Steve Novick>And this is for the sponsor as well.

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<v Steve Novick>I mean, have we done any outreach to businesses or residents along Cesar Chavez to like ask them if there'd be any particular value to them to having more than More than a year to make this adjustment?

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<v Steve Novick>I actually met with some folks in Creston-Kenilworth yesterday, and I were upset about the process, and I was saying, well, you know that the same signs are up for 5 years, and some of them found it reassuring.

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<v Steve Novick>I was just wondering if we've done any outreach to folks to ask about whether, you know, a year is long enough.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for the question.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I've had conversations with some business owners, and And when we were on the dais last week, invited any folks that would like assistance or would like support with the changes to reach out to my office and also suggested that Prosper Portland be tapped for figuring out how we can use some of those small business grants to support.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But this amendment is more of something that we did with PBOT in the last few hours.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for your support on this, realizing that rather than giving PBOT 5 years to do this.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It actually mandates in the code that you have to have both names up.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So wanted to provide flexibility.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And when talking with Director, Interim DCA, and Shoshana Cohen, they said— I got a suggestion from Shoshana to use the same language that was used when we just changed Jackson.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So this is what they suggested that we did.

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<v Steve Novick>That was a year as well?

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<v Millicent Williams>I believe it's 2 years for, for Jack— is it, is it a year?

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<v Millicent Williams>I'm sorry, I, I don't have the details on Jackson even though we just finished doing that work the other day.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I can get— I can double-check with Shoshana.

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<v Millicent Williams>Yeah, I can, I can certainly find that out for you, Councilor.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, thank you, Interim DCA, uh, Williams.

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<v Loretta Smith>Uh, I just found out about this 3 hours ago, and I was not aware that there was already an amendment in the work that was being worked on, I was told about this, like, we can bring this up because it might be an issue and we may be able to do this as an amendment.

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<v Loretta Smith>But this is clearly something that had been thought about.

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<v Loretta Smith>I was not sure about the 1 year.

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<v Loretta Smith>I just— it just stuck in my head about the 1 year and giving people time to There's a lot going on.

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<v Loretta Smith>Giving people time to change their letterhead and all those things, I don't think that 1 year is enough.

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<v Loretta Smith>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Loretta Smith>I don't think it's enough.

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<v Loretta Smith>I don't know that we can get it out in a year.

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<v Loretta Smith>Do you think we can get this out in a year?

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<v Millicent Williams>We would not be able— it's likely that we would not be able to do all the name changes and post all of the signs within a year, given the overall process.

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<v Loretta Smith>So that's what I'm concerned about.

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<v Millicent Williams>Um, do we need 5?

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<v Millicent Williams>Probably not.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, but 1 is, is, um, not impossible, but it would be not without its challenges.

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<v Loretta Smith>So I would like to add another year onto this, add another, add another amendment to this to give more time, because I'm just I'm just not clear.

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<v Loretta Smith>So I'd like to make a motion and add an amendment to the amendment to give another year.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Does she have the floor?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry, we're in the middle of the one amendment motion right now, so we'll need to—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So we're unable to— yeah, we are debating a motion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We cannot make a positional motion during that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But if the—.

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<v Olivia Clark>You can—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We can introduce—.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>I did have the floor.

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<v Loretta Smith>I had my hand up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yep.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, let's see, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, you already spoke, so I'll come back to you.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Council President, is it, um, can I be recognized to pull my amendment and then restate it with 2 years?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, let me get through the queue here real quick.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You are quickly coming up here in a second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

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<v Sameer Kanal>All right, so, um, just in terms of the, the The renaming of Jackson Street to Rose Hill Street.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Mm-hmm.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's— we're talking about Ordinance 192142 that was adopted in February of this year.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That does 6 months.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm gonna read from that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The requirements in the code subsection 1793.060 are hereby waived for the proposed renaming of a portion of Southwest Jackson Street to Southwest Rose Hill Street.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Instead, the existing street name sign and proposed new street name sign shall both be posted and maintained for 6 months following approval for the proposed renaming of a portion of Southwest Jackson Street to Southwest Rose Hill Street.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Why would it be different in this particular— is it, is it simply the length of the street, or is there another reason why, uh, a year would be insufficient?

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you for that, Councilor.

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<v Millicent Williams>After I said 2 years, I remembered that it was a 6-month period.

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<v Millicent Williams>Part of that is driven by the length of the street.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are a limited number of blocks.

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<v Millicent Williams>It's That's 3 blocks that we would need to change the signage on for us to remove Jackson and change it to Rose Hill.

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<v Millicent Williams>So that is something that we could do quite quickly with limited amount of labor and planning.

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<v Millicent Williams>And there are a significantly smaller number of addresses that we would need to engage with in order to do that, to make that change.

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<v Millicent Williams>The Cesar Chavez Street naming, renaming requires— it's a 5.5-mile stretch.

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<v Robert Taylor>Good.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we would need to address that, get the signage produced.

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<v Millicent Williams>There would be some outreach on the staff's behalf, and we would also need to work with the Oregon Department of Transportation.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are street signs, or there are wayfinding signs that cross the interstate.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so there would be the need to do that coordination because it would require a closure in either direction where those signs are for us to replace the signs.

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<v Millicent Williams>So it would take a little bit more effort, or significantly more effort, in order to do that.

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<v Millicent Williams>Again, something that could be done within a year, uh, uh, because of the length of the, um, street and the details associated, it, um, would be a, a hard, a hard push.

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<v Millicent Williams>And, um, I'd also like to acknowledge that while we do have staff that dedicate a portion of their time to this This would require the bureau to identify additional folks to help to ensure that we got this over the finish line or create the opportunity for the person who spends most of their time working on, for example, the Rose Hill Street renaming, dedicate almost all of their time to that effort.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I was— that makes sense.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I was curious if there were any other reasons I think, and maybe this didn't happen between the two, but my recollection is that between April when this came up and now, the one person who makes the signs left PBOT.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's less of a concern now.

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<v Millicent Williams>The sign maker did retire in April, so we no longer have a sign shop within the bureau.

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<v Millicent Williams>We do have on tap contractors who are able to create the signs that we need.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clameling.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>17.93.06 Implementation A says both names will be in place for a period of 5 years unless a petition is submitted to the city administrator from a majority of abutting property occupants requesting that the dual signage period be extended to 10 years.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Be shortened.

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<v Roger Wohl>Okay.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Both street names will be maintained for the 5-year period at the same level of maintenance approved for street name sign maintenance citywide, at which time the old name will be removed.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The way this code is written says there's no way in 5 years that Chavez's name will come down.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I would like for there to be some flexibility.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I asked for PBOT for help on what to pick I was told 1 year.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Now I'm hearing something different.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I was actually okay with just changing the wording to up to 5 years so PBOT can have some flexibility.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I'm seeing some nodding.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So maybe that's what I need to draft rather than asking others for support.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I will be bringing that.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>What I would like is if things are going well, for PBOT to have the choice to take that name down.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Not be forced to keep both up.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Because one of my constituents sent me a note that says every time they see Cesar Chavez Street when they go to Safeway or Trader Joe's, they're reminded about men abusing women and getting away with it.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I will be bringing a new amendment.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'll withdraw my current one.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, uh, Clark, do you agree with withdrawing that since you seconded?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Councilor Koyama Lane's amendment has been withdrawn.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, now to the underlying, which changes my order of people talking.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Yes, thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Steve Novick>There's an amendment that I thought of bringing last week and decided it wasn't worth it because it's just a whereas clause.

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<v Steve Novick>And since then, I've concluded that it is worth doing, and I still wasn't going to do it if there weren't any other amendments because I don't want to post— I'm not trying to mess with the second reading, but there's language in paragraph 2 of the resolution that says there's widespread consensus in the community to make this name change.

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<v Steve Novick>And I don't think that's actually true.

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<v Steve Novick>The majority of people, individual people who have commented on this proposal, are opposed to it.

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<v Steve Novick>There's a lot of people who would like it to be 39th.

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<v Steve Novick>So by saying there's widespread consensus in the community, I think it kind of It tells a lot of people that they don't exist.

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<v Steve Novick>And although I agree with this name change, I'm concerned, particularly when there really was very little outreach to the broader community about this issue.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm concerned about having that language.

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<v Steve Novick>So again, because there's another amendment on the floor, we've sent out the proposed amendment, which would simply say under item 2, instead of widespread consensus across the community is coalesced around a shared desire, just say council desires to swiftly rename Portland Cesar Chavez Boulevard in a manner that benefits and honors La Causa Latino, Latinx labor leaders, and farmworker organizations.

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<v Steve Novick>So I offer that amendment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick moves Novick 1.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there a second?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal seconds.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues to the amendment?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith to the amendment?

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>I don't support this amendment.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think it is general enough and that there is widespread support for this.

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<v Loretta Smith>I did not say there, there was overwhelming support.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, words matter, and there is wide support.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, all you have to do is go to my Facebook and Instagram pages and you will see the wide support.

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<v Loretta Smith>Now, if you're saying the people who live in District 3, I mean, that, that's That's, that's a little bit, um, that's different.

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<v Loretta Smith>But I think changing the, um, the spirit of what this is, because there is widespread support for this name change, and trying to wordsmith this at this point, I think, is, um, is not Critical for us to pass this ordinance today.

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<v Loretta Smith>I think it's nitpicking.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Olivia Clark>There's— is there someone else in the queue who wants to speak to this amendment?

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, Councilor Novick is a person who cares a lot about precision in our findings and also our impact statements.

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<v Mitch Green>I think it's a more— I think it's truer to say that council just It's a declarative statement of council's will.

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<v Mitch Green>Council desires to do this thing, and we're not adding extra assertions about the consensus position.

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<v Mitch Green>So for that reason, I'm going to support your amendment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Anybody else in the queue that wants to speak to this amendment?

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<v Olivia Clark>It has been— I'm sorry.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>My hand is up.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm sorry, I can't—.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

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<v Olivia Clark>Go ahead.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Madam Vice President.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, the— is Marta here?

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<v Loretta Smith>Marta and some of the, um, advocates, could you please come up to the, to the desk?

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<v Loretta Smith>And so I hate to go over this again.

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<v Loretta Smith>There were over 350 organizations and individuals who signed a letter to show that there was widespread support.

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<v Loretta Smith>And if you want to also say, in addition to widespread support, that there is council support as well, okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>But leaving it where it is— so can you tell me, Mark, could you introduce—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm sorry, Councilor, we, we do not have, uh, public testimony or invited testimony on second readings.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So I appreciate these folks are definitely Of order.

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<v Jonas Biery>Absolutely.

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<v Loretta Smith>Can I ask you a question?

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<v Candace Avalos>Yeah.

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<v Loretta Smith>Can you give me a point of personal privilege?

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<v Loretta Smith>Because we're debating whether or not we change a word and we're wordsmithing on the second reading.

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<v Loretta Smith>If that was a problem, I feel like it should have been brought up before.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Heard, but I am not going to be entertaining additional public testimony at this time.

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<v Roger Wohl>Sorry.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, it's not allowing us to talk.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>I just wanted to say thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, Councilor Smith, I agree that words matter, and the word that was most of concern to me here is widespread consensus, which implies that everybody agrees.

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<v Steve Novick>You've said widespread support.

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<v Steve Novick>I would actually be okay if we changed it to There is widespread support in the community for swiftly renaming, etc.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Loretta Smith>May I answer?

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, sure, Councilor Novick, that sounds a lot better.

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<v Steve Novick>Uh, in that case, hang on, let me, um, see, um, what that would mean.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, I'm just doing on the fly.

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<v Steve Novick>There is widespread support.

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<v Steve Novick>I would change it to there's widespread support in the community to swiftly rename.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And again, amendments, even though I appreciate the conversation, we do need to reduce this to writing.

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<v Steve Novick>I'll do that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I just want to get some clarification from Councilor Novick.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So when you say in the community, are you talking about within the Latino community?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Since you're saying that folks in District 3 in the Laurelhurst neighborhood are not for it, what is the intention of the change now?

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<v Steve Novick>May I respond?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, sir.

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<v Steve Novick>Um, I think that since we're the Portland City Council, we say in the community, we mean the entire community of the city of Portland.

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<v Steve Novick>And I would also note, if it matters, that we had a letter this week objecting to the process for this, although they're not the name change from the Creston-Kenilworth neighborhood, not from the Laurelhurst neighborhood.

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<v Steve Novick>I think that, I think that the community is the entire community of Portland, not just people that some councilors happen to have talked to.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, that's fair.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, I, I understand that.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think, um, yeah, this is a tough one.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, I understand why there are times where this council has circumvented process, because I do think we have a tendency to do process for the process at times.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And this is very painful specifically for the Latino community, so we're having a bit of a different reaction to it right now.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, and, uh, honestly, I think some of the comments about changing it back to 39th are also an erasure of what was done With the original name change.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And so I just want to name that here as a South American immigrant on this council, as our communities are being targeted and we are being forced to hide and not be seen, not go to work for potentially being targeted by immigration enforcement, that I think we are being told to Hide, not be a part of the public, not be seen in many ways.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And so we are not a huge majority in District 3.

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<v Angelita Morillo>District 3, like the rest of the city, is vast majority white, non-immigrant.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But there are Latinos in District 3 too, and this is uniquely painful for us.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I guess I just want to name that as we're proceeding with this discussion about when we say who the majority is.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>This city is also majority white, and they don't have the ties to that community that's actively being harmed.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And, um, and yeah, sorry, I'm a little sick today, so I'm not being as eloquent as I want to be, but I hope that I'm just like naming the, the tension as we're having that discussion moving forward.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I would like to move this towards a vote, please.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues who are in the queue have each spoken a number of times.

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<v Steve Novick>I'm withdrawing that and ask my chief of staff to quickly write up the revised amendment that talks about support rather than consensus.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>I was just going to call the question.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Gotcha.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Point of information.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yes.

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<v Steve Novick>Councilmember Wilson.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

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<v Candace Avalos>Point of information.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>It sounds like we have 2 amendments that are being crafted.

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<v Candace Avalos>Can I just confirm, are Councilor Novick and Councilor Priyamalane, are you working on getting us something?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

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<v Candace Avalos>So is it that we just need to pause until those are ready?

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<v Candace Avalos>Like 5 minutes?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm in the queue to propose that we move this until after the next item on the agenda and hope that the time of the next item gives us time to get those 2 amendments.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Not because I want to delay this unnecessarily, but because I think we have some folks who are hoping to have an opportunity, and I don't want to delay our meeting stalling.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I agree.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, then I am going to ask that we move— I don't procedurally know how to do this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We just move to the next item and come back to this?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>How do I do this?

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<v Keelan McClymont>I think you have the option, without objection from the rest of council, to just pause or Pause this item and then come back to it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We're going to pause this item so councilors can get, uh, additional work done, and we're going to move to item 13, which is document 2026-270, and we'll come back to this one.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Accept the future of large-scale performing arts recommendations to advance a new Broadway-capable venue as part of the proposed Performing Arts and Culture Center at Portland State University.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This is a continued first— oh, this is a resolution.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are continuing from last week where we heard 53 pieces of testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are now into a position where we have technical and clarifying questions or council discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any— yeah, folks, feel free to jump into the queue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Actually, I have a couple of technical or clarifying questions, and I'm hoping that Uh, Donnie or Sue Pak are available to come on up.

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<v Loretta Smith>There's Sue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Hi, Sue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Donnie, she could join.

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<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Oliveira.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Sue, maybe you are able to answer this first one, and we'll also, in the process of me talking, we'll give Donnie a few minutes to walk in.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But in response to some of the testimony that I heard last week, there was a little— there was some— there was a lack of clarity on whether or not the new Performing Arts and Culture Center will be a city-owned asset.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can you confirm that whatever gets built, where it gets built, this will continue to be a city-owned asset and will have the same share of, you know, of revenue as it does currently with the other P5 venues?

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<v Sue Pack>Uh, for the record, I'm Sue Pack.

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<v Sue Pack>Um, my understanding is that it would be a city-owned asset.

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<v Sue Pack>As to who operates it and what would be Kind of the business plan or revenue share.

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<v Sue Pack>None of that has been determined at this point.

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<v Sue Pack>We need a decision first and then we can move on to think through those very important details.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And to that exact specific end, the RFP for management of the P5 goes out today, I understand, or at least this week, hopefully at some point.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Does the structure imagined in the RFP Give us space to fold in a proposed new theater into the P5 umbrella?

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<v Sue Pack>The current— the RFP, the way it's written now, is just for the current 5 venues as a part of Portland 5.

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<v Sue Pack>It will make it clear that PSU is not included, and that would have to be a separate process.

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<v Sue Pack>And we would need to consider again who's operating and what is the operating model to— and a future RFP potentially.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And then one other question I had in response to public testimony that we heard last week was what— and you may not be able to answer this directly, but what was the city's assessment of the seismic risk of the Keller?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We heard conflicting things last week.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah.

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<v Sue Pack>So the city commissioned a study in 2020, Miller Consulting Engineers, and their conclusion was that Keller Auditorium would not withstand a major earthquake.

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<v Sue Pack>In testimony, we did hear from others who were a part of the Halperin proposal and concepting Otherwise, to our knowledge, that was not a full structural analysis of the Keller by a licensed structural engineer, and the only one of that kind was what was conducted and recognized by the city in 2020.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, go ahead and jump in the queue for any technical or clarifying questions or discussion broadly.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan kicks off.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, questions about the city's financial responsibility.

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<v Dan Ryan>It hasn't been very clear.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, is it $44 million?

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<v Sue Pack>The city has not made a commitment at this time to the $44 million that was posed.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>So we're discussing a resolution that doesn't have a financial commitment to PSU?

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<v Sue Pack>There are no financial commitments.

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<v Sue Pack>The resolution greenlights financial planning and getting clarity on the roles and responsibilities of PSU and the city.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, it's been murky at best.

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<v Dan Ryan>So sometimes I hear that we are, sometimes I don't.

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<v Dan Ryan>If in fact we did, we are going to commit, I heard that from PSU itself, when does PSU expect that payment?

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<v Dan Ryan>Maybe someone from PSU who has that expectation— hi, Sarah— could come up and say what that answer is.

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<v Sue Pack>Huh?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Right.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So she was walking up.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, we just need this to be transparent.

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<v Candace Avalos>Hi.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sure.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Hi, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>This is Sarah Schwarz, uh, PSU president, PSU Foundation president, and lead for the project, for the record.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>So this, this resolution simply allows us to get in the room and start to figure out how the financial stack will come together between PSU and the city.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>At this stage, we have from the last 2 and a half years several partners who have put resources forward and made commitments.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>So we do need at some point very soon some level of commitment from the city that they are fully in on the project, which includes some identification of resource towards the project Specifically towards the project that will be owned by the City of Portland, which is the 3,000-seat venue.

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<v Dan Ryan>I appreciate you being clear about that.

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<v Dan Ryan>So there is going to be a financial commitment.

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<v Dan Ryan>Um, uh, DCA, hi, you're here.

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<v Dan Ryan>Maybe you have some sense of where the source is for that.

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<v Dan Ryan>Hi, CFO Biery.

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<v Jonas Biery>Uh, thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jonas Biery>Uh, for the record, I'm not City Administrator Raymond Leach, Chief Financial Officer I would just acknowledge, as was mentioned, it's a dynamic situation with lots of possible pathways.

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<v Jonas Biery>And so it just remains, I think, an active conversation to identify how that— both the broader cost share and the city obligation will ultimately play out.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>So in summary, we know there's going to be a financial commitment.

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<v Dan Ryan>We know that it's going to be due sooner than later.

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<v Dan Ryan>And we don't have a source identified.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Dan Ryan>Another technical question is about the traffic studies.

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<v Dan Ryan>Did we do a traffic study on Southwest— is that 3rd in front of the Keller between the fountain and the—.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>Did we do a study on what I think a lot of people envisioned is for that to not be a street, but that to be an open plaza that would allow more flexibility as we envision a remodeled and restored, historically restored Keller?

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<v Sue Pack>The study that we did asked for 3 scenarios since we were at that point considering a 2-venue strategy.

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<v Sue Pack>So it was renovated Keller, new site at PSU, or both operating simultaneously.

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<v Sue Pack>And so that was what was requested.

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<v Sue Pack>And there were no fatal flaws for any of those scenarios.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>As to—.

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<v Sue Pack>Kind of a deeper detailed study on the closure of 3rd Avenue.

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<v Sue Pack>I would have to get back to you on that.

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<v Sue Pack>I know that was something that was in conversation.

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<v Sue Pack>I don't have the details or the specifics on what was concluded regarding that.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>So there wasn't a traffic study with that specific vision in mind.

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<v Dan Ryan>What about on Southwest Lincoln?

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<v Dan Ryan>Where it's one lane and then you have the light rail in the middle.

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<v Dan Ryan>Was there a traffic study that looked at the impact of the traffic going to the performances, going to the hotel, up to maybe 4,000 people on that one-lane road?

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<v Dan Ryan>What was that?

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<v Dan Ryan>What was the conclusion of that traffic study?

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<v Sue Pack>I'd have to look at the technical report.

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<v Sue Pack>I'm sorry, I'm not so familiar with the The details and the technical, um, this is not my area of expertise.

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<v Dan Ryan>These are questions I've been asking for like 3 or 4 years, so I just want some answers someday.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Sue Pack>Be happy to share with you the full, uh, traffic study.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, so we heard some testimony last week on The need to upgrade the performing sort of arts curricula, you know, capacity at Portland State.

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<v Mitch Green>I've done the tour.

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<v Mitch Green>It's woefully inadequate for those students.

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<v Mitch Green>So I guess my question is, the resolution that we're contemplating is about the City of Portland doing a performing arts venue.

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<v Mitch Green>If the city did not do that, would those students still get an upgraded set of facilities?

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Yes.

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<v Mitch Green>To do their, their work in?

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<v Sarah Schwarz>I would answer that question to say that right now we are fully focused on the vision that we've presented to you.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>And of course, there can be scenario planning that can happen if in fact there's a change in the direction.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>But we are fully forward with the Keller— excuse me, with the 3,000-seat venue being a part of the project at this time.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay.

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<v Mitch Green>So It's not super clear, but—.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Well, if I can restate that, I apologize.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>The highest and best use of the 4.25 acres is having the 3,000-seat venue at the heart of a larger cultural and academic setting.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>So we would in fact love over time to have all the appropriate spaces for our students, but at this moment in time, this particular vision makes sense as highest and best use for that set of Okay, thanks for clarifying on that.

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<v Mitch Green>So I just wanna make sure that we know what we're talking about and the public knows what we're talking about.

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<v Mitch Green>So we are contemplating a resolution to move us down a path that will go towards a financial commitment, and that's about a performing arts venue.

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<v Mitch Green>And so all the testimony we heard about the students is ancillary to that?

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Correct.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Really what's before the council is the determination around building the 3,000-seat venue on the PSU land.

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<v Mitch Green>But if the city council chose not to go down this road, it wouldn't be because the city council made a decision why those students wouldn't get those upgrades.

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<v Mitch Green>It'd be Portland State University, right?

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Correct.

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<v Sarah Schwarz>Then it would be back to us to make determinations from there.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>And I meant to start my timer, Council President.

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<v Mitch Green>I apologize.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I started it for you.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I know you did.

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<v Donnie Oliveira>Okay.

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<v Mitch Green>CFO Biery, I don't know if you know this answer off the top of your head, and if you don't, that's okay.

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<v Mitch Green>We can try to get it into the conversation.

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<v Mitch Green>But I recall when we were thinking through the financial stability work and we're trying to understand our cost centers, the internal service fund and the rate structure that sort of recover those costs Some of that's driven by the Vanport building and the debt service on that.

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<v Mitch Green>Do you have a sense of scale on that?

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<v Jonas Biery>Yeah, Councilor, I don't know off the top of my head what that sense of scale is, but we can work with the team to get you specifically those amounts and how they factor through those facilities-related interagency rates.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>And I apologize for putting you on the spot like that.

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<v Mitch Green>You don't want to give an imprecise answer, but the reason I bring it up is because To Councilor Ryan's questions, if we go down this road and then we ended up getting into the same financial arrangement that we currently have with the Vanport Building, that's going to drive an increase in our internal service costs.

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<v Mitch Green>And so unless we are able to identify a specific source of funds that doesn't do that, we just have to recognize that this would be a decision that raises the overall cost across all of our bureaus.

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<v Mitch Green>And I know I'm running out of time, so I think the last question I have The question I have actually for the city attorney is that one of the things I've been thinking a lot about is the division of power between the executive and the council.

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01:17:46.319 --> 01:18:00.015
<v Mitch Green>And when we adopt a resolution like this, in the city attorney's view, would it then empower the executive to start signing contracts and negotiating on behalf of the city that would then bind the city in some kind of sense?

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01:18:00.287 --> 01:18:01.057
<v Mitch Green>That's the question I have.

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01:18:01.154 --> 01:18:12.775
<v Robert Taylor>Councilor I think generally the city administrator is empowered to sign contracts as long as there's a budget allocation for it.

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01:18:12.823 --> 01:18:14.349
<v Robert Taylor>That's what's specified in the charter.

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01:18:14.654 --> 01:18:23.159
<v Robert Taylor>So if, if there's not a— if it's not budgeted for, then they're not going to be able to sign a contract.

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01:18:23.256 --> 01:18:23.512
<v Mitch Green>Is that—.

936
01:18:23.512 --> 01:18:24.796
<v Angelita Morillo>Does that answer your question?

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01:18:24.908 --> 01:18:40.923
<v Mitch Green>Or, I mean, it does, because I think the thing I'm concerned about, like, we recently signed a contract with the city attorney's office We just approved a contract for the U.S. Tennis Association, which I know that there's a difference of opinion on that at this dais, but that's a 25-year contract and we approved a 1-year budget.

938
01:18:41.036 --> 01:18:45.009
<v Mitch Green>And so I'm starting to get nervous about what is the length of time.

939
01:18:45.057 --> 01:18:48.694
<v Mitch Green>Have we failed to sort of clarify what that scope and boundary is?

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01:18:48.838 --> 01:18:48.935
<v Jamie Dunphy>Right.

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01:18:49.207 --> 01:18:59.076
<v Mitch Green>What I don't want to happen here is all of the background information has been said, is sort of couched in terms of don't worry, this does not commit the city to anything financially.

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01:18:59.123 --> 01:18:59.925
<v Mitch Green>You'll always have a choice.

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01:19:00.270 --> 01:19:08.729
<v Mitch Green>But if we take this step, are we then going to be presented with a no-choice scenario where it's like, well, your guys already said yes by a resolution, so now pay for it?

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01:19:08.729 --> 01:19:09.850
<v Mitch Green>Like, that's what I'm worried about.

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01:19:09.850 --> 01:19:18.189
<v Mitch Green>And I, I want to make sure that that's on the record now, uh, because it's not $44 million, it's $440 million, because the $44 is 10%.

946
01:19:18.189 --> 01:19:20.220
<v Mitch Green>That's a 10% kitty up front.

947
01:19:20.350 --> 01:19:22.670
<v Mitch Green>And that's what I've gotten from my conversations as well.

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01:19:22.670 --> 01:19:27.270
<v Mitch Green>And so if we're going to go down this road of committing ourselves to $440 million with no funding source, I think that's a fair point.

949
01:19:28.372 --> 01:19:30.957
<v Mitch Green>We just need to be crystal clear about what that means and what our trade-offs are.

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01:19:31.246 --> 01:19:34.649
<v Mitch Green>So, um, I'll leave it there for now.

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01:19:35.323 --> 01:19:35.805
<v Mitch Green>Uh, thank you.

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01:19:36.046 --> 01:19:37.314
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Green.

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01:19:37.570 --> 01:19:38.358
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:19:39.434 --> 01:19:40.637
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

955
01:19:40.863 --> 01:19:47.462
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, Sue, I want to ask a quick question because you said something in your conversation with Councilor Dunphy that was curious to me.

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01:19:48.024 --> 01:20:09.005
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I, I understand from the previous conversations we had in committee and from the dialogue that you with the councilor— council president that the moving forward with conversations around a city-owned venue on the PSU campus would be separate from our P5 venues.

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01:20:09.632 --> 01:20:31.740
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But is there anything in the RFP that's on the table right now for the operation of those venues, or in the resolution that we're moving forward today, that would prevent us from operating a future venue owned by the city and located on the PSU campus alongside our P5 venues if a future city council or administration decided that that was the best choice for the city?

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01:20:32.496 --> 01:20:35.113
<v Sue Pack>The RFP does not limit that possibility.

959
01:20:35.386 --> 01:20:35.546
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

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01:20:35.722 --> 01:20:37.070
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Nor does what we're considering today.

961
01:20:37.712 --> 01:20:39.126
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So we're essentially leaving that open.

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01:20:39.173 --> 01:20:40.635
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're not binding ourselves to that.

963
01:20:40.844 --> 01:20:43.155
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're also not binding ourselves away from that.

964
01:20:43.894 --> 01:20:44.118
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

965
01:20:44.697 --> 01:20:45.820
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that's important.

966
01:20:45.997 --> 01:20:48.679
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think these conversations about cost are important.

967
01:20:49.979 --> 01:21:03.710
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, we are being asked how we want to move forward for the arts in our community, and I, I just would ask that we figure out a way that we can take this step in a way that is comfortable for folks.

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01:21:04.207 --> 01:21:08.190
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we need to get some things on the record, let's make sure we do that, but let's move forward.

969
01:21:09.170 --> 01:21:14.421
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need to have a venue that can operate these large-scale productions.

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01:21:14.470 --> 01:21:24.275
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need to do so in a way that Doesn't create a break in operations, which would be negative for our community for a lot of different reasons.

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01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:28.234
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>First and foremost, the jobs, but also the access to culture and the arts.

972
01:21:30.057 --> 01:21:32.458
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think this gives us the step to start to do that.

973
01:21:32.507 --> 01:21:34.231
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I hope we take that seriously.

974
01:21:34.682 --> 01:21:38.600
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It gives us the step to start to do that while also continuing to invest in the Keller.

975
01:21:40.074 --> 01:21:42.699
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I hope we can find a way to move forward today without too much delay.

976
01:21:42.748 --> 01:21:42.862
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

977
01:21:43.253 --> 01:21:45.317
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

978
01:21:45.413 --> 01:21:45.881
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

979
01:21:50.185 --> 01:21:51.298
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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01:21:52.479 --> 01:22:08.247
<v Loretta Smith>I want to go back to the cost of this and something that Councilor Green said in terms of the entire cost of this particular— that the buy-in would be $440 million from the City of Portland.

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01:22:08.472 --> 01:22:10.523
<v Loretta Smith>Is this what it is binding us to?

982
01:22:11.715 --> 01:22:17.542
<v Sue Pack>The estimated cost for the 3,000-seater at PSU is $447 million.

983
01:22:18.055 --> 01:22:22.069
<v Sue Pack>That is not to say that the city would be on the hook for the entire amount.

984
01:22:22.775 --> 01:22:35.024
<v Sue Pack>The hope is with this resolution that there can be further work done in terms of financial planning and developing a capital stack to understand what the funding sources are.

985
01:22:35.618 --> 01:22:42.662
<v Sue Pack>The city certainly will need to commit But the thinking is there would be diversified sources.

986
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.628
<v Loretta Smith>So let me tell you what my concern is.

987
01:22:45.886 --> 01:22:56.181
<v Loretta Smith>I was on the Arts Committee when this came up, and I wanted to figure out a pathway so that the Keller could get done because we actually own that right now.

988
01:22:56.648 --> 01:22:59.149
<v Loretta Smith>We're not building a stage.

989
01:22:59.213 --> 01:23:01.523
<v Loretta Smith>We already have a stage that we can go forward with.

990
01:23:02.324 --> 01:23:20.166
<v Loretta Smith>The other piece that I'm having a dual conversation with myself about is that, um, we have a contract that we have to get done with, with the Blazers, and that is another multi-hundred million dollar deal.

991
01:23:20.730 --> 01:23:23.618
<v Loretta Smith>And I'm trying to figure out where we get all this money from.

992
01:23:24.118 --> 01:23:31.109
<v Loretta Smith>Unless there's some money under the, the park benches that I don't know about, it's not clear to me.

993
01:23:31.564 --> 01:23:39.731
<v Loretta Smith>Um, In terms of getting a capital stack, I would think that you would have the capital stack figured out before you got a resolution from us.

994
01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:54.576
<v Loretta Smith>Why not go get a capital stack and tell me where you're getting the money from before you're asking me to, to vote blindly on something that I, I don't see a pathway?

995
01:23:54.978 --> 01:23:56.782
<v Loretta Smith>I don't see a pathway how we do this.

996
01:23:57.136 --> 01:23:57.362
<v Loretta Smith>That's—.

997
01:23:57.716 --> 01:24:03.167
<v Loretta Smith>And I needed to explain from our CFO to the to the folks who brought it here how we're going to pay for this.

998
01:24:04.801 --> 01:24:16.220
<v Loretta Smith>If we want to just do a resolution to say, oh yeah, we're thinking about it and that's what we're going to do, but this resolution binds us to pay for this right now.

999
01:24:16.685 --> 01:24:17.313
<v Sue Pack>It does not.

1000
01:24:17.698 --> 01:24:19.449
<v Loretta Smith>But it— but in essence it does.

1001
01:24:19.497 --> 01:24:27.323
<v Loretta Smith>It's saying that we're, we're, we're going to go forward, and then once we find out what the stack looks like, then we would— we're doing things backwards to me.

1002
01:24:28.061 --> 01:24:30.770
<v Sarah Schwarz>If I may, Councilor Smith, if I could just jump in for a quick moment.

1003
01:24:31.266 --> 01:24:42.581
<v Sarah Schwarz>So 3 years ago, when the city asked for a proposal for a new venue as a contemplation point, we did do significant work on the PSU side to start to develop what a capital stack could look like.

1004
01:24:42.788 --> 01:24:43.172
<v Loretta Smith>Right.

1005
01:24:43.590 --> 01:24:55.274
<v Sarah Schwarz>Over the last 2 and a half years, with changes in council and a whole variety of things, any conversations that we might have been able to have with any of the financial folks across the city Those have been put on hold.

1006
01:24:55.386 --> 01:25:02.898
<v Sarah Schwarz>We have not had any access to speak with people to actually say, here are the 27 things that we have on our list that we think could be possibilities.

1007
01:25:03.395 --> 01:25:04.936
<v Sarah Schwarz>Not all of them are going to be from the city.

1008
01:25:05.337 --> 01:25:06.911
<v Sarah Schwarz>They come from a variety of sources.

1009
01:25:07.569 --> 01:25:12.993
<v Sarah Schwarz>What this resolution does from our perspective is finally allows that conversation to happen.

1010
01:25:13.524 --> 01:25:17.457
<v Sarah Schwarz>We are not here trying to hoodwink you into any sort of long-term commitment.

1011
01:25:18.018 --> 01:25:21.998
<v Sarah Schwarz>This is to take that next step that we've really been waiting for for quite a long time.

1012
01:25:22.368 --> 01:25:28.228
<v Sarah Schwarz>To sit in a room and say, of this list of items and of things that you know, what's our path forward?

1013
01:25:28.613 --> 01:25:31.953
<v Sarah Schwarz>And again, it will not rely solely on city assets and city dollars.

1014
01:25:32.707 --> 01:25:36.368
<v Sarah Schwarz>Many municipalities are able to put together creative paths forward.

1015
01:25:36.801 --> 01:25:43.127
<v Sarah Schwarz>We think Portland has a real shot at being able to do that too, but we need to be able to do that with the partners of the city to figure it out.

1016
01:25:43.463 --> 01:25:43.769
<v Loretta Smith>Right.

1017
01:25:43.864 --> 01:25:45.646
<v Loretta Smith>And I don't think you're trying to hoodwink us at all.

1018
01:25:45.792 --> 01:25:50.414
<v Loretta Smith>I think you're trying to, to get us through this resolution, make PSU the priority.

1019
01:25:50.752 --> 01:25:55.904
<v Loretta Smith>That's what I think you're trying to do without having the other capital stack to go along with it.

1020
01:25:56.529 --> 01:25:58.488
<v Loretta Smith>Um, if I could also—.

1021
01:25:58.536 --> 01:26:00.060
<v Sarah Schwarz>I'm sorry, just add in on this too.

1022
01:26:00.172 --> 01:26:10.027
<v Sarah Schwarz>So also over this course of time, we have secured the state bonds, again primarily for the PSU component, but it will serve all of the undergirdings for the entire project.

1023
01:26:10.588 --> 01:26:14.345
<v Sarah Schwarz>And even more importantly, we have $12.5 million in philanthropy.

1024
01:26:14.408 --> 01:26:14.488
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes.

1025
01:26:15.002 --> 01:26:29.510
<v Sarah Schwarz>Donors who stepped forward almost within the first 6 months of the first round of City Council action, who were very entrepreneurial and said they wanted to step forward to show confidence that there are folks who are willing to support a project of this scale and of this vision.

1026
01:26:30.569 --> 01:26:32.273
<v Sarah Schwarz>I am the primary fundraiser for it.

1027
01:26:32.432 --> 01:26:41.654
<v Sarah Schwarz>I am concerned that we will start to lose donor interest in this project and perhaps even donor philanthropy that's been stated to date because of the protracted nature of the project.

1028
01:26:41.734 --> 01:26:41.878
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1029
01:26:42.697 --> 01:26:47.439
<v Sarah Schwarz>Which is not to say that this isn't huge, and we need to be very diligent in stepping through each point.

1030
01:26:48.161 --> 01:26:56.238
<v Sarah Schwarz>I guess my— what I would hope that we could walk away from today is a sense of urgency to move forward and suss this out.

1031
01:26:56.333 --> 01:27:10.680
<v Sarah Schwarz>Because to Councilor Ryan's question and others, and Councilor Green's, it may be that after a couple of months of working together, we may determine in fact that we come back to you and say The path looks pretty different than what we thought it might be.

1032
01:27:11.242 --> 01:27:12.654
<v Sarah Schwarz>Now we're going a different direction.

1033
01:27:13.345 --> 01:27:17.516
<v Sarah Schwarz>So PSU and our donors also have a component in this as well too.

1034
01:27:18.127 --> 01:27:23.520
<v Sarah Schwarz>But again, we're missing the city's voice at the table to actually do the financial stack work.

1035
01:27:24.563 --> 01:27:26.841
<v Loretta Smith>Right, because they want to know that the city is going to come in.

1036
01:27:27.114 --> 01:27:33.854
<v Loretta Smith>And so while we are saying it doesn't, um, it doesn't bind us to this, but it really does bind us to it.

1037
01:27:34.649 --> 01:27:43.520
<v Loretta Smith>And until we figure out how we're going to pay for all these other things that we have in the queue right now, I'm not comfortable right now with this resolution.

1038
01:27:43.569 --> 01:27:45.119
<v Loretta Smith>I'm not comfortable with this at all.

1039
01:27:46.137 --> 01:28:21.502
<v Loretta Smith>And I understand you're trying to keep your donors together, but I also know that there are a lot of students who are not going to be able to go to school at PSU because there are a lot of funding that you're missing on the other public And so while kids are not allowed— are not going to be allowed to go to school because of the funding issues that you have on the public side, not the private fundraising side for this, it just does not look good that you're raising all these millions and gazillions of dollars and then we have students who are not going to be able to go to school.

1040
01:28:22.594 --> 01:28:24.439
<v Loretta Smith>So that's a problem.

1041
01:28:24.810 --> 01:28:26.126
<v Loretta Smith>That's a public relations problem.

1042
01:28:26.190 --> 01:28:26.399
<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Smith.

1043
01:28:26.671 --> 01:28:34.832
<v Sarah Schwarz>Last year we raised $45.6 million almost specifically for student success and student support at the PSU Foundation.

1044
01:28:35.506 --> 01:28:36.806
<v Sarah Schwarz>I understand the optics.

1045
01:28:37.337 --> 01:28:46.862
<v Sarah Schwarz>I think very similar to what City Council is facing, we have to both manage very challenging financial situations at the same time of looking forward toward big vision.

1046
01:28:47.552 --> 01:28:58.059
<v Sarah Schwarz>An investment forward is one way to ensure that our students will have state-of-the-art facilities that we will grow enrollment in areas where we are already having lots of enrollment growth across the campus.

1047
01:28:58.203 --> 01:29:00.078
<v Sarah Schwarz>The College of the Arts is a gem for us.

1048
01:29:00.703 --> 01:29:16.725
<v Sarah Schwarz>We see this as a transformational opportunity and a way to do 2 things at once: work on our financial sustainability and our student support for the immediate future— or for the immediate now, I should say— while being visionary and forward-thinking for our students of the future, not to mention our city of Portland.

1049
01:29:17.447 --> 01:29:19.529
<v Jamie Dunphy>And thank you very much.

1050
01:29:19.609 --> 01:29:20.426
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're past 5 minutes.

1051
01:29:20.490 --> 01:29:20.810
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1052
01:29:21.212 --> 01:29:21.904
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1053
01:29:22.018 --> 01:29:22.791
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

1054
01:29:24.981 --> 01:29:25.417
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1055
01:29:25.804 --> 01:29:29.573
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I'll save my comment things for, for later.

1056
01:29:29.653 --> 01:29:39.074
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I think, um, the questions I have are, are really derived from a context that, that Councilor Green referenced, um, which is the tennis center.

1057
01:29:39.740 --> 01:29:54.347
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, that doesn't sound like it's relevant to everybody, but I want to just be clear that on May 18th, uh, in this chamber, um, we did a technical amendment to extend funding for the, the tennis center Which was going to expire June 30th of this year to December 31st of this year.

1058
01:29:54.813 --> 01:30:01.487
<v Sameer Kanal>And in that, I asked whether or not that would commit us to a path of privatization, and I was told no, we'll be— it'll come back.

1059
01:30:01.567 --> 01:30:02.994
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll read the transcript in a moment.

1060
01:30:03.460 --> 01:30:11.225
<v Sameer Kanal>And then, oh, I found out yesterday in the chamber that a contract has already been signed to transfer control to the Portland Tennis Center.

1061
01:30:11.274 --> 01:30:15.990
<v Sameer Kanal>So I agree with Councilor Smith's analysis that this would commit us.

1062
01:30:16.038 --> 01:30:16.167
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1063
01:30:17.338 --> 01:30:20.837
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and there's— so I think that we have to have that conversation, but I don't think it's—.

1064
01:30:21.529 --> 01:30:21.833
<v Candace Avalos>It's—.

1065
01:30:21.913 --> 01:30:23.680
<v Sameer Kanal>And that's not because of anything PSU's done.

1066
01:30:24.176 --> 01:30:29.122
<v Sameer Kanal>That has to do with the internal side within this chamber and between the 2 floors of this building.

1067
01:30:29.779 --> 01:30:30.935
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, that is my concern.

1068
01:30:31.015 --> 01:30:32.171
<v Sameer Kanal>I just want to be clear about that.

1069
01:30:32.909 --> 01:30:42.717
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I just— transcript here is Amendment 3, Technical Amendment 3, talks about making— about thoughtful decision-making and implementation of the potential transition.

1070
01:30:42.782 --> 01:30:51.783
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm a little curious as to There hasn't yet been a council vote on transferring anything with USTA, and there's several councilors who've expressed concern, trepidation, whatever word, hesitation, let's say, about it.

1071
01:30:52.184 --> 01:30:55.185
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm curious how much this commits us to that course of action without a debate.

1072
01:30:55.233 --> 01:30:56.693
<v Sameer Kanal>That's me asking, uh, CA Lee.

1073
01:30:57.301 --> 01:30:58.970
<v Sameer Kanal>His response: it doesn't commit you to it.

1074
01:30:59.484 --> 01:31:02.275
<v Sameer Kanal>Council officially has to adopt the budget, which this would be a part of it.

1075
01:31:02.452 --> 01:31:05.725
<v Sameer Kanal>This is just amending the portions of the mayor's proposed budget as it relates to this work.

1076
01:31:06.061 --> 01:31:11.657
<v Sameer Kanal>Council officially will make the decision as it relates to the overall adopted budget, which this may be a included as part of your deliberation with this amendment.

1077
01:31:12.011 --> 01:31:19.701
<v Sameer Kanal>And I asked, so the adopted budget is where the decision on transferring, on privatizing this, the Portland Tennis Center, is made, or is that a separate standalone ordinance?

1078
01:31:21.184 --> 01:31:23.729
<v Sameer Kanal>It's the appropriation of the money is done through this budgeting process.

1079
01:31:23.859 --> 01:31:28.576
<v Sameer Kanal>If there's documentation as it relates to the privatization of that, that would be done separately.

1080
01:31:30.045 --> 01:31:37.082
<v Sameer Kanal>So we were told that we were going to get a separate conversation on it, and then behind our back— and I, I use those those words very specifically.

1081
01:31:37.498 --> 01:31:38.765
<v Sameer Kanal>It was done around us.

1082
01:31:39.100 --> 01:31:43.731
<v Sameer Kanal>I believe that if we were to support this resolution, we're committing to the whole package.

1083
01:31:43.908 --> 01:31:53.426
<v Sameer Kanal>Now, that might only be $44 million, $42 million, not the whole, because I recognize that there's other financial components that are part of this.

1084
01:31:54.501 --> 01:31:58.923
<v Sameer Kanal>But I did want to ask the council president if you could remind us, how much did it cost?

1085
01:31:59.148 --> 01:32:06.739
<v Sameer Kanal>Well, we quoted about moving your desk Across the hall in your district, in your City Hall office?

1086
01:32:06.997 --> 01:32:08.282
<v Jamie Dunphy>It was about $24,000.

1087
01:32:08.603 --> 01:32:08.779
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

1088
01:32:09.198 --> 01:32:15.076
<v Sameer Kanal>So $24,000 to move a desk, a distance that's about from here to the back of this chamber.

1089
01:32:15.992 --> 01:32:20.970
<v Sameer Kanal>That's the internal rates that we're paying, and that's what's going to go up if we don't have another funding source.

1090
01:32:21.949 --> 01:32:25.354
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's already, I would argue, too high.

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01:32:25.484 --> 01:32:30.029
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that's probably a consensus position here, that $24,000 to move a desk is too high.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but it's one of several things that we've been quoted these extremely high amounts on here, and, and we as councilors have, you know, the, the charges are levied on us just the same as between the bureaus.

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01:32:44.815 --> 01:32:46.515
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's a concern that I have.

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01:32:46.659 --> 01:32:54.149
<v Sameer Kanal>And I, I did want to ask, I really appreciate Councilor Ryan, um, outlining his thoughts, which he's been bringing up for a few years.

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01:32:54.261 --> 01:33:04.220
<v Sameer Kanal>I also noted in the The ex officio report that Councilor Clark served on that, but did not support this recommendation as per the report.

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01:33:04.300 --> 01:33:18.619
<v Sameer Kanal>And I would be really curious as we go through the queue, I'm not gonna put you on the spot, if you can speak to that because I think these are questions that I imagine you were more in the weeds as was Councilor Ryan on this.

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01:33:19.277 --> 01:33:25.240
<v Sameer Kanal>I did wanna say thank you to Sue because I know You were the contact person yesterday.

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01:33:25.288 --> 01:33:37.305
<v Sameer Kanal>We talked about the Interstate Firehouse Cultural Center, and I know that— I don't know if you still work on that, or, uh, and when we talk about the arts, they're not just large-scale venues downtown.

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01:33:37.962 --> 01:33:45.221
<v Sameer Kanal>They're also 99-seat theaters on Interstate in District 2 where people have often seen their first plays.

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01:33:45.878 --> 01:33:48.395
<v Sameer Kanal>And so they're also the Keller that already exists.

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01:33:48.458 --> 01:33:50.060
<v Sameer Kanal>They're also potentially whatever happens at Piazzetta.

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01:33:50.140 --> 01:33:50.189
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah.

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01:33:51.025 --> 01:33:53.715
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I would love to have that broader conversation here.

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01:33:54.632 --> 01:33:57.837
<v Sameer Kanal>And I understand that, that there's been a long process going on.

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01:33:59.470 --> 01:34:06.970
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think one of the challenges is that when you run for office, you kind of inherit all of the muck that came before.

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01:34:07.641 --> 01:34:13.148
<v Sameer Kanal>And there was a lot of that prior to January 1st, 2025 that we're digging out of here.

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01:34:13.582 --> 01:34:17.886
<v Sameer Kanal>And that means owning some of the decisions in the past, but it also means owning the fact that the budget is not great.

1108
01:34:17.939 --> 01:34:18.042
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:34:18.909 --> 01:34:23.546
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I don't know that there is the financial resources available to do all the things we would wanna do.

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01:34:23.609 --> 01:34:28.582
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm interested as this process continues in exploring if there's a path I hadn't thought of.

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01:34:29.340 --> 01:34:29.581
<v Candace Avalos>Thanks.

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01:34:29.725 --> 01:34:31.514
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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01:34:32.463 --> 01:34:39.502
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I'll just note, I do see DCA Donnie Oliveira hanging out in the back if there are any technical questions that Sue is unable to answer.

1114
01:34:40.135 --> 01:34:40.605
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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01:34:42.100 --> 01:34:42.442
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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01:34:44.585 --> 01:34:49.000
<v Candace Avalos>Let me start by saying I'm feeling conflicted and a little bit confused.

1117
01:34:49.176 --> 01:34:57.525
<v Candace Avalos>I'm listening to the answers to the questions that my colleagues are asking, and I'm starting to grow concerned.

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01:34:57.591 --> 01:35:05.282
<v Candace Avalos>And so, but I wanted to start by also flagging some amendments that I brought forward in City Life and talked about why I did that.

1119
01:35:05.362 --> 01:35:13.367
<v Candace Avalos>And, you know, I came into this having those amendments feeling Okay, uh, but now I'm— I don't know how I'm feeling.

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01:35:13.462 --> 01:35:15.850
<v Candace Avalos>So I just want to be honest that I am grappling with this.

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01:35:16.043 --> 01:35:27.969
<v Candace Avalos>But what the amendments were doing, the principle behind them was, um, essentially what I'm hearing, these fears, right, that we're advancing a project, um, but not financially committing to it.

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01:35:28.064 --> 01:35:38.329
<v Candace Avalos>And so I amended it in a way that supports— that makes the resolution support planning and pre-development for the, you know, potential new Thank you.

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01:35:38.329 --> 01:35:38.550
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

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01:35:38.550 --> 01:35:46.130
<v Candace Avalos>So this resolution is a resolution that authorizes the city to move forward with the development of the proposed Rosewood Park Parkland Park venue, but also preserves council's approval of the financial plan, the capital funding strategy, the city's financial obligations before we make a final commitment.

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<v Candace Avalos>It also makes it explicit that this resolution does not authorize or commit additional city funding for development or construction.

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01:35:54.470 --> 01:36:02.869
<v Candace Avalos>Before the city takes on those obligations, staff need to return to council with the total project cost and the city— proposed city contribution, the full capital stack, etc., etc.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I guess what I'm wanting to understand, and I also want to say this for everyone that's left in the queue, because one, I'd love to hear a reaction on like, if you had those fears, did my amendments help those fears at all?

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01:36:20.002 --> 01:36:21.350
<v Candace Avalos>And if not, tell me more.

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01:36:21.605 --> 01:36:22.182
<v Candace Avalos>I'd love to know.

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01:36:22.953 --> 01:36:25.212
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and then I also would love to hear from you.

1131
01:36:25.277 --> 01:36:29.925
<v Candace Avalos>I see you're next in the queue, Councilor Clark, or Vice President Clark, um, about what was going on.

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01:36:30.457 --> 01:36:43.047
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and then I think, I guess, what is the, um, this sentiment that people are feeling that if we put this forward, that even though it technically doesn't commit, people feel committed?

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01:36:43.533 --> 01:36:49.154
<v Candace Avalos>I think that, um, I want to understand what your expectation is of us by approving this.

1134
01:36:49.266 --> 01:36:51.567
<v Candace Avalos>Like, does— why does it have to come to us?

1135
01:36:51.614 --> 01:37:00.809
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I know that there was a commission and we have to approve findings, and so I guess I'm just feeling I'm trying to understand the process of why this has to come in this way to us.

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01:37:02.086 --> 01:37:13.297
<v Candace Avalos>And then also, I imagine it is the expectation that by us approving this planning, that PSU expects us to be part of that capital stack.

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01:37:13.377 --> 01:37:24.755
<v Candace Avalos>So I think I'm also wanting to get what happens if we approve this, we move forward, and we as the city, you know, per my amendments, I'm hoping that any decision on actual funding is still gonna come back to us.

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01:37:24.804 --> 01:37:25.470
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm not committing any money to this.

1139
01:37:25.537 --> 01:37:25.747
<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Smith.

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01:37:28.487 --> 01:37:32.189
<v Candace Avalos>I absolutely agree with my colleagues that I don't even know where that's coming from.

1141
01:37:32.588 --> 01:37:36.002
<v Candace Avalos>But are you going to be expecting us to be part of the capital stack?

1142
01:37:36.099 --> 01:37:37.476
<v Candace Avalos>And if we are not, then what?

1143
01:37:37.942 --> 01:37:41.211
<v Candace Avalos>And then I guess another question of what happens if this resolution does not pass?

1144
01:37:41.354 --> 01:37:46.146
<v Candace Avalos>Because I'm just kind of glancing around the dais and I don't know if people are having appetite for this.

1145
01:37:46.211 --> 01:37:49.768
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think I'm also weighing like, what does that mean if it doesn't pass?

1146
01:37:49.929 --> 01:37:53.134
<v Candace Avalos>So I don't know who those questions are for.

1147
01:37:53.966 --> 01:37:55.746
<v Candace Avalos>They're kind of broad.

1148
01:37:56.225 --> 01:37:59.127
<v Candace Avalos>Maybe let me direct the question around what is the expectation of us as a city?

1149
01:37:59.238 --> 01:37:59.350
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah.

1150
01:37:59.416 --> 01:38:00.729
<v Candace Avalos>Us being part of the capital stack.

1151
01:38:00.793 --> 01:38:05.055
<v Candace Avalos>Like, if we're part of this planning, are you expecting us to be part of that?

1152
01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:08.581
<v Candace Avalos>How are you seeing the city's, uh, role moving forward?

1153
01:38:08.966 --> 01:38:12.346
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, I just want to restate again that this would be the city's venue.

1154
01:38:12.875 --> 01:38:19.284
<v Unidentified speaker>PSU was invited by the city, the then council, uh, to come forward with a proposal, as they did for a variety of groups.

1155
01:38:19.461 --> 01:38:32.981
<v Unidentified speaker>And we went through a whole process to winnow down to the decision that happened in, um, October of 2024, which was a 2-venue strategy to continue looking at the Keller and to also start moving forward on the PSU site.

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01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:47.385
<v Unidentified speaker>There was an LOI that was signed in November of 2024 between PSU and the city administrator that clearly outlined the next steps, which included things like developing a capital stack, securing state funding, taking the lead on philanthropic work.

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01:38:47.786 --> 01:38:49.279
<v Unidentified speaker>We've accomplished all of those things.

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01:38:49.858 --> 01:38:55.028
<v Unidentified speaker>That LOI also contained a market feasibility study request, an economic feasibility study request, Yes.

1159
01:38:55.412 --> 01:38:57.755
<v Unidentified speaker>A traffic study, all of which have been completed.

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01:38:58.283 --> 01:39:06.577
<v Unidentified speaker>And in addition to that, of course, the mayor's ex officio and the steering committee, which were convened this spring to again review the materials to really look at the issue.

1161
01:39:07.443 --> 01:39:12.543
<v Unidentified speaker>I state all of that to say that it's been a very thorough process and it started with the city.

1162
01:39:13.073 --> 01:39:15.319
<v Unidentified speaker>So yes, this is the city's venue.

1163
01:39:15.784 --> 01:39:17.389
<v Unidentified speaker>PSU is here as your partner.

1164
01:39:17.789 --> 01:39:22.313
<v Unidentified speaker>We believe that we can help unlock resources to pay for portions of the city component.

1165
01:39:22.842 --> 01:39:25.668
<v Unidentified speaker>But at the end of the day, this came from a city request.

1166
01:39:25.974 --> 01:39:31.033
<v Unidentified speaker>It would be a city venue, and the city would absolutely be part of the partnership in financing the project.

1167
01:39:31.595 --> 01:39:34.645
<v Unidentified speaker>And by the project, I mean only the 3,000-seat venue.

1168
01:39:35.127 --> 01:39:42.931
<v Unidentified speaker>We have all the costs covered for the PSU academic and community spaces, and we have a partner negotiation for the hotel, and we have the parking paid for.

1169
01:39:43.783 --> 01:39:43.960
<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

1170
01:39:44.136 --> 01:39:46.432
<v Unidentified speaker>So that's the only part that's in front of City Council.

1171
01:39:46.512 --> 01:39:47.106
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1172
01:39:47.235 --> 01:39:52.599
<v Candace Avalos>And I think also, Vice President Clark, when you go up, I'd love to— if you could share about your amendment with the council.

1173
01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:53.519
<v Candace Avalos>I think I can take that one.

1174
01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:55.198
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Taylor, and maybe explain a little bit of that.

1175
01:39:55.279 --> 01:40:06.154
<v Candace Avalos>But I think what you're hearing from this council is that, as what I'm realizing as a councilor, is that decisions get made before we're here, right?

1176
01:40:06.284 --> 01:40:07.520
<v Candace Avalos>And we're picking things up.

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01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:12.212
<v Candace Avalos>We're also facing unexpected budget shortfalls.

1178
01:40:12.260 --> 01:40:18.095
<v Candace Avalos>I mean, we've had only budget deficits since we've been councilors, so we are very wary of where our dollars go.

1179
01:40:19.123 --> 01:40:27.052
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think just to— so that you— I say that because I don't want you to feel like we don't think that you did your due diligence or that you did the process or that the city started this.

1180
01:40:27.149 --> 01:40:27.759
<v Candace Avalos>Absolutely.

1181
01:40:28.192 --> 01:40:31.048
<v Candace Avalos>That wasn't me, but I am still responsible for those things.

1182
01:40:31.386 --> 01:40:34.498
<v Candace Avalos>But, you know, I have to weigh what is current, right?

1183
01:40:34.595 --> 01:40:36.345
<v Candace Avalos>And what is our current budget capacity?

1184
01:40:37.420 --> 01:40:47.625
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think that's where I'm grappling because I'm like, what— by us even telling you to do this and go through this whole process, what have we unintentionally committed through there?

1185
01:40:48.010 --> 01:40:58.048
<v Candace Avalos>And so I'm not trying to go back necessarily on our commitments, but I am faced with a literal budget reality that I like— doesn't matter what I commit if I don't have money for it, right?

1186
01:40:58.128 --> 01:41:04.335
<v Candace Avalos>So I think that's what we're grappling with, just so you know that it's not about feeling like that process wasn't thorough.

1187
01:41:04.430 --> 01:41:05.055
<v Candace Avalos>I think it was.

1188
01:41:05.569 --> 01:41:09.065
<v Candace Avalos>I think we're just hitting a wall with our budget, and that's what we're weighing.

1189
01:41:09.417 --> 01:41:10.653
<v Sarah Schwarz>Completely appreciate that.

1190
01:41:11.021 --> 01:41:18.055
<v Sarah Schwarz>Just very much respect your position, and I'll say again, similar to PSU, right, there's the immediate crunch as well as trying to be visionary for the future.

1191
01:41:18.152 --> 01:41:18.488
<v Robert Taylor>Sure.

1192
01:41:18.890 --> 01:41:27.046
<v Unidentified speaker>I also just wanted to note for the capital stack, while the city would be a component of it, there are other dollars including federal dollars that we see as possible for this project.

1193
01:41:27.766 --> 01:41:32.060
<v Unidentified speaker>We also see private funders, and we also see philanthropy both local as well as nationally.

1194
01:41:32.573 --> 01:41:34.560
<v Unidentified speaker>So I don't want to again soft sell this.

1195
01:41:34.657 --> 01:41:38.953
<v Unidentified speaker>There's definitely city dollars that would be put into this, as it being a city venue.

1196
01:41:40.171 --> 01:41:45.770
<v Unidentified speaker>And we're just really excited to start doing some of the homework with you all because we think there could be a path.

1197
01:41:46.443 --> 01:41:50.662
<v Unidentified speaker>Last thing I'll say, we've done multiple case studies with a whole variety of venues.

1198
01:41:50.757 --> 01:41:53.596
<v Unidentified speaker>These only come along maybe once every 20 years nationally.

1199
01:41:53.966 --> 01:41:54.815
<v Unidentified speaker>They're a really big deal.

1200
01:41:55.328 --> 01:42:01.777
<v Unidentified speaker>You do need to take the time to feel like you are very much in support of this vision and that you see the city wanting to put this forward.

1201
01:42:01.841 --> 01:42:03.829
<v Unidentified speaker>So we want you to be doing that too.

1202
01:42:04.471 --> 01:42:10.786
<v Unidentified speaker>I will tell you, in none of those cases Did any municipality start down the track knowing exactly where all the dollars are going to come from?

1203
01:42:11.314 --> 01:42:26.648
<v Unidentified speaker>If you look at the Dr. Phillips Center, which is really a state-of-the-art 10-acre project that is still continuing to develop today, they went through about 4 mayors and I don't know how many city councils in order to accomplish the project, but they did get there and it is now a gold standard nationally.

1204
01:42:27.224 --> 01:42:30.188
<v Unidentified speaker>We see an opportunity for Portland to become a center of gravity like that.

1205
01:42:30.685 --> 01:42:35.234
<v Unidentified speaker>I also respectfully understand what you're weighing and this snapshot in time, which is different from where we started.

1206
01:42:35.283 --> 01:42:35.395
<v Sue Pack>Thank you.

1207
01:42:35.507 --> 01:42:36.436
<v Sarah Schwarz>A couple of years ago.

1208
01:42:36.789 --> 01:42:37.511
<v Sarah Schwarz>So thank you.

1209
01:42:37.734 --> 01:42:43.055
<v Sarah Schwarz>Councilor Avalos, may I respond to your question about why are we bringing this before you?

1210
01:42:43.182 --> 01:42:43.631
<v Candace Avalos>That would be helpful.

1211
01:42:43.728 --> 01:42:43.921
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1212
01:42:44.048 --> 01:42:56.131
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, just to back up a little bit, in the previous form of government, October 2024, there was a council resolution that basically there were 2 options: Keller or PSU.

1213
01:42:56.644 --> 01:42:59.015
<v Unidentified speaker>The direction was let's try to do both.

1214
01:42:59.207 --> 01:43:01.019
<v Unidentified speaker>So that's the 2-venue strategy.

1215
01:43:01.932 --> 01:43:08.559
<v Unidentified speaker>Can Portland support 2 large-scale, 3,000-seat Broadway-capable theaters?

1216
01:43:09.875 --> 01:43:16.501
<v Unidentified speaker>And then we did economic— an economic impact study, market feasibility study, transportation study.

1217
01:43:16.917 --> 01:43:26.416
<v Unidentified speaker>The conclusion was Portland only has demand program supply and market demand for one venue, one large-scale venue.

1218
01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:26.769
<v Sarah Schwarz>Thank you.

1219
01:43:27.203 --> 01:43:29.561
<v Unidentified speaker>So then the question becomes, which one?

1220
01:43:30.733 --> 01:43:43.734
<v Unidentified speaker>And that's where our consultants who— Hund and Partners, who did the market feasibility and economic impact study, recommended building new at PSU.

1221
01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:58.108
<v Unidentified speaker>And the steering committee unanimously supported building new at PSU, and the ex officio Supported it with the majority, not all members.

1222
01:43:59.354 --> 01:44:17.505
<v Unidentified speaker>And so based on all those recommendations, the mayor's resolution is coming forward and saying, let's move forward in planning, not committing, to building a new venue at PSU and reimagining the Keller as a smaller venue.

1223
01:44:18.444 --> 01:44:24.456
<v Unidentified speaker>And And we need your support on that approach because the 2-venue strategy is not an option.

1224
01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:26.474
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1225
01:44:26.537 --> 01:44:26.957
<v Candace Avalos>That's all for now.

1226
01:44:27.262 --> 01:44:28.131
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1227
01:44:28.324 --> 01:44:31.238
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, just a heads up, there are 8 more councilors in the queue.

1228
01:44:31.529 --> 01:44:37.860
<v Jamie Dunphy>I am going to limit debate after Councilor Clark concludes, so if anybody else wants to get in the queue, uh, please do now.

1229
01:44:38.394 --> 01:44:39.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark, take it away.

1230
01:44:39.668 --> 01:44:40.604
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, thank you, Councilor President.

1231
01:44:40.654 --> 01:44:44.204
<v Olivia Clark>I wasn't prepared to actually, um, make a huge statement.

1232
01:44:44.284 --> 01:44:46.489
<v Olivia Clark>I was going to save that But I'll, I'll try to weave it all together.

1233
01:44:46.601 --> 01:44:47.131
<v Jamie Dunphy>You can do that after.

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01:44:47.259 --> 01:44:52.274
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I really appreciate, um, Councilor Avalos's, um, amendments and my own.

1235
01:44:52.338 --> 01:44:54.021
<v Olivia Clark>I think we were both trying to thread the needle.

1236
01:44:54.485 --> 01:44:58.060
<v Olivia Clark>We're both trying to make this palatable and protect ourselves.

1237
01:44:58.636 --> 01:45:02.867
<v Olivia Clark>And, and from my perspective, it's to keep, um, working on the Keller.

1238
01:45:03.524 --> 01:45:07.418
<v Olivia Clark>Um, clearly I've been an advocate for the Keller all the way through this process.

1239
01:45:08.091 --> 01:45:10.479
<v Olivia Clark>On the ex officio committee, I was pro Keller.

1240
01:45:11.056 --> 01:45:14.057
<v Olivia Clark>I think that the transportation study was substandard.

1241
01:45:14.283 --> 01:45:14.731
<v Olivia Clark>I really do.

1242
01:45:14.908 --> 01:45:21.872
<v Olivia Clark>I don't think it was, um, as complete as it should be given the impact of 405 and the light rail right in front of the facility.

1243
01:45:22.610 --> 01:45:25.500
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I wasn't happy with the Hundon, uh, report.

1244
01:45:25.659 --> 01:45:31.774
<v Olivia Clark>I thought they went beyond what they were asked to do by making a recommendation to support, um, PSU.

1245
01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:37.359
<v Olivia Clark>Um, so I was on the, um, short end of the stick in the ex officio group.

1246
01:45:38.097 --> 01:45:45.506
<v Olivia Clark>But I realized I was on the losing end, and I said, well, what we need to do is to have addenda, which you and I have addressed in our amendments.

1247
01:45:46.631 --> 01:45:53.733
<v Olivia Clark>I did want to go back to what some of the other— my other colleagues mentioned earlier and just pursue this.

1248
01:45:54.488 --> 01:45:57.846
<v Olivia Clark>I, I'm not— I don't understand why we need a resolution necessarily.

1249
01:45:57.958 --> 01:46:01.011
<v Olivia Clark>I mean, this is work that could be done by the administration, you would think.

1250
01:46:01.559 --> 01:46:11.940
<v Olivia Clark>You know, a lot of this work However, I'm very sensitive to the fact that PSU needs to have a new academic facility.

1251
01:46:12.069 --> 01:46:14.314
<v Olivia Clark>My choir practices at PSU.

1252
01:46:14.748 --> 01:46:16.047
<v Olivia Clark>It's as bad as my high school.

1253
01:46:16.480 --> 01:46:18.534
<v Olivia Clark>You know, they do need another facility.

1254
01:46:18.599 --> 01:46:20.492
<v Olivia Clark>So I respect that.

1255
01:46:20.587 --> 01:46:26.380
<v Olivia Clark>And they went to the legislature, they got the funds, and I don't want to get in the way of that.

1256
01:46:26.444 --> 01:46:28.176
<v Olivia Clark>I want them to have that facility.

1257
01:46:28.594 --> 01:46:28.850
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1258
01:46:29.734 --> 01:46:33.186
<v Olivia Clark>Lots of concerns obviously have expressed all the way through this process.

1259
01:46:33.748 --> 01:46:38.936
<v Olivia Clark>I want to go back to what Councilor Green brought up about the commitment.

1260
01:46:39.595 --> 01:46:44.126
<v Olivia Clark>And in the, um, in the resolution, it talks about December 1st.

1261
01:46:44.671 --> 01:46:52.783
<v Olivia Clark>Does that mean that on December 1st, this— the report answering all these questions that are in the resolution is coming back to us?

1262
01:46:52.847 --> 01:46:54.726
<v Olivia Clark>Maybe— I don't know if Donnie Oliveira can answer that.

1263
01:46:55.295 --> 01:46:58.137
<v Olivia Clark>Is that going to be a decision point for us December 1st?

1264
01:46:59.162 --> 01:47:00.608
<v Olivia Clark>What does that mean exactly?

1265
01:47:01.212 --> 01:47:14.358
<v Olivia Clark>And, and to the point about decisions get made without us having a vote, I want to be very clear that, and as you have amended this resolution to say, we are not making a financial commitment.

1266
01:47:16.100 --> 01:47:17.069
<v Olivia Clark>End of statement.

1267
01:47:17.166 --> 01:47:17.731
<v Olivia Clark>We are not.

1268
01:47:18.296 --> 01:47:20.073
<v Olivia Clark>But what happens on December 1st?

1269
01:47:20.154 --> 01:47:21.912
<v Olivia Clark>Does it come back to us at that point?

1270
01:47:21.978 --> 01:47:22.059
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

1271
01:47:22.603 --> 01:47:24.819
<v Olivia Clark>Are you coming to council for another decision?

1272
01:47:25.895 --> 01:47:28.689
<v Donnie Oliveira>Yeah, thank you for the question, Vice President Clark.

1273
01:47:29.188 --> 01:47:30.182
<v Donnie Oliveira>Donnie Oliveira, for the record.

1274
01:47:30.231 --> 01:47:31.725
<v Donnie Oliveira>Apologize I couldn't be here any sooner.

1275
01:47:32.463 --> 01:47:40.157
<v Donnie Oliveira>Um, Councilor, I think the place to start is picking up something that both Sarah and Sue have, uh, expressed already.

1276
01:47:41.136 --> 01:47:47.463
<v Donnie Oliveira>Part of the resolution, part of the intent, if it was here, was to stop the swirl, um, that was going on for the last several years.

1277
01:47:47.657 --> 01:47:51.719
<v Donnie Oliveira>I've been a part of this conversation for for many years as well about what to do with the venues.

1278
01:47:52.859 --> 01:48:10.202
<v Donnie Oliveira>And the reality is, is all we're asking for is a green light to formally sit down with PSU to contemplate what it might look like for the city to participate in this— the RFP process that we started, to Sarah's point, about investing in a performing arts venue on a PSU parcel.

1279
01:48:11.662 --> 01:48:28.069
<v Donnie Oliveira>As a reminder, the reason why we're even here is because when we started contemplating a renovation of Keller, Very quickly we understood that the impact of doing that, of pausing Broadway operations programming, would be detrimental not just to Broadway but to our overall P5 venues.

1280
01:48:28.341 --> 01:48:31.965
<v Donnie Oliveira>So that's why that secondary venue even became a scenario to contemplate.

1281
01:48:32.365 --> 01:48:37.798
<v Donnie Oliveira>So it's not just a pick one or the other, it is what is the opportunity cost or impact to only do Keller.

1282
01:48:38.296 --> 01:48:46.537
<v Donnie Oliveira>So that's where the secondary venue option even began to become a possibility, was we started to realize that you can't just displace Broadway for 6 months.

1283
01:48:46.778 --> 01:48:47.515
<v Donnie Oliveira>That's not viable.

1284
01:48:48.221 --> 01:48:49.971
<v Donnie Oliveira>You can't just pay off the labor.

1285
01:48:50.228 --> 01:48:50.951
<v Donnie Oliveira>That's not real.

1286
01:48:51.752 --> 01:48:54.448
<v Donnie Oliveira>What is real is we want to sustain Broadway operations.

1287
01:48:54.962 --> 01:48:55.813
<v Donnie Oliveira>So back to your question.

1288
01:48:56.969 --> 01:49:03.805
<v Donnie Oliveira>So we have this resolution before you, and thank you, Councilor Avalos, for your amendments that crystallize that we need some to do some homework that we haven't done, by the way.

1289
01:49:04.591 --> 01:49:07.030
<v Donnie Oliveira>And I just want to acknowledge this right now candidly with you all.

1290
01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:11.139
<v Donnie Oliveira>If we had done all the work and come to you all with a really baked capital stack, Thank you.

1291
01:49:11.220 --> 01:49:16.823
<v Donnie Oliveira>I'm guessing there would have been some frustrations that we did that work without getting a green light from you first, right?

1292
01:49:16.871 --> 01:49:18.091
<v Donnie Oliveira>So there's a little bit of a tension here.

1293
01:49:18.300 --> 01:49:19.103
<v Donnie Oliveira>What do you want us to do?

1294
01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:23.662
<v Donnie Oliveira>Bring you the numbers or get your permission to do advance that work in transparency?

1295
01:49:24.417 --> 01:49:35.271
<v Donnie Oliveira>So here we are asking, hey, administration, go forth, figure it out, work with PSU, and come back to us on December 1st with a concept that we can get behind.

1296
01:49:35.657 --> 01:49:36.908
<v Donnie Oliveira>Or maybe not.

1297
01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:38.804
<v Donnie Oliveira>Maybe it doesn't work out.

1298
01:49:39.172 --> 01:49:40.233
<v Donnie Oliveira>We haven't done the work yet.

1299
01:49:40.634 --> 01:49:41.356
<v Donnie Oliveira>We really haven't.

1300
01:49:41.582 --> 01:49:44.697
<v Donnie Oliveira>Our CFO hasn't been involved because we haven't started that conversation.

1301
01:49:45.515 --> 01:49:48.952
<v Donnie Oliveira>So I completely hear the concern that many of you have about committing dollars.

1302
01:49:49.127 --> 01:49:49.947
<v Donnie Oliveira>Completely fair.

1303
01:49:50.429 --> 01:49:52.981
<v Donnie Oliveira>We're concerned too because we haven't started the work.

1304
01:49:54.042 --> 01:50:07.810
<v Donnie Oliveira>So, Councilor, December 1st, best-case scenario, we work out with our partners at PSU with a viable option for this council to contemplate Maybe it's for $44 million, maybe it's for $100 million, maybe it's for the full capital stack because we, we hit the lottery.

1305
01:50:08.548 --> 01:50:11.354
<v Donnie Oliveira>But I don't have that information for you because we haven't started the work.

1306
01:50:12.734 --> 01:50:13.150
<v Donnie Oliveira>Is that helpful?

1307
01:50:14.016 --> 01:50:15.235
<v Olivia Clark>Yeah, I appreciate that.

1308
01:50:16.246 --> 01:50:17.833
<v Olivia Clark>And I won't take up any more time.

1309
01:50:18.010 --> 01:50:21.104
<v Olivia Clark>I'd like to come back later and talk about this a little bit more.

1310
01:50:21.296 --> 01:50:25.337
<v Olivia Clark>But I am, bottom line, very concerned about the money.

1311
01:50:25.483 --> 01:50:31.737
<v Olivia Clark>And I would just reiterate what I've heard from my colleagues is there is no We're focused right now on MOTA.

1312
01:50:32.298 --> 01:50:33.582
<v Olivia Clark>How do we get the money for MOTA?

1313
01:50:34.287 --> 01:50:40.609
<v Olivia Clark>I just don't— I don't foresee us coming back in December and saying, okay, capital stack, yeah, we're going to go for this money.

1314
01:50:40.945 --> 01:50:46.543
<v Olivia Clark>I think we're going to be in the same place in December that we are today, unfortunately.

1315
01:50:48.020 --> 01:50:49.720
<v Olivia Clark>But I am trying to thread the needle.

1316
01:50:49.784 --> 01:50:57.627
<v Olivia Clark>And I know, Donnie, with all due respect, that you didn't like my amendments about keeping Keller alive, but I do think that we can make small investments in Keller.

1317
01:50:57.707 --> 01:51:01.283
<v Olivia Clark>We're going to keep Keller open while we go through this process.

1318
01:51:01.331 --> 01:51:08.161
<v Olivia Clark>Keller has to stay open for the Broadway in America shows, and Keller has to stay open to be able to support P5.

1319
01:51:08.240 --> 01:51:10.596
<v Olivia Clark>It's the only profitable thing we have in P5.

1320
01:51:11.127 --> 01:51:14.493
<v Olivia Clark>So I'm just worried that we're, we're not kicking the can.

1321
01:51:14.556 --> 01:51:18.083
<v Olivia Clark>We're getting more information, but we are going to keep Keller alive.

1322
01:51:18.163 --> 01:51:25.609
<v Olivia Clark>And Keller, in this resolution, we amended it to do this in tandem with the Keller.

1323
01:51:26.025 --> 01:51:26.845
<v Olivia Clark>I'll just leave it at that.

1324
01:51:26.893 --> 01:51:27.551
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Mr.

1325
01:51:27.615 --> 01:51:27.807
<v Olivia Clark>Chair.

1326
01:51:28.016 --> 01:51:28.643
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

1327
01:51:28.916 --> 01:51:30.296
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are 10 councilors in queue.

1328
01:51:31.083 --> 01:51:32.287
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is 11:15.

1329
01:51:32.384 --> 01:51:33.492
<v Jamie Dunphy>Our staff need a break.

1330
01:51:33.636 --> 01:51:38.565
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to give us a 15-minute break and come back here at— okay, I'm gonna give us a 12-minute break.

1331
01:51:38.726 --> 01:51:40.556
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm gonna have us all back here at 11:30.

1332
01:51:41.585 --> 01:51:41.890
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1333
02:06:07.515 --> 02:06:09.923
<v Jamie Dunphy>Council is adjourned.

1334
02:06:10.582 --> 02:06:11.561
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome back, folks.

1335
02:06:11.609 --> 02:06:13.198
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all so much for your patience.

1336
02:06:13.296 --> 02:06:16.104
<v Jamie Dunphy>I understand we are going to be losing a couple folks here in a few minutes.

1337
02:06:16.444 --> 02:06:27.564
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so, colleagues, with your permission, I am going to— I have noted the queue in the lineup for the conversation with regard to the large-scale performing arts venue.

1338
02:06:28.386 --> 02:06:32.485
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are going to go back to the Campesinos item.

1339
02:06:33.019 --> 02:06:41.029
<v Jamie Dunphy>I understand there are still 2 amendments and then an underlying— then we will move to pass it.

1340
02:06:41.095 --> 02:06:50.814
<v Jamie Dunphy>So with your Permission, colleagues, I would like to again pause item 13 and reopen item 12.

1341
02:06:52.393 --> 02:06:55.551
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Keelan, do you need to read it, reread it, or are we just on it now?

1342
02:06:55.939 --> 02:06:58.981
<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah, I, I think we can just move back to it since I've already read it.

1343
02:06:59.255 --> 02:07:08.863
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, go ahead and pull yourselves out of the queue for the, uh, Keller item and feel free to jump into the queue for the now reopened item 12, document 2026-243.

1344
02:07:12.524 --> 02:07:14.604
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I believe we have amendments to start with.

1345
02:07:14.653 --> 02:07:15.201
<v David Dysart>Is this correct?

1346
02:07:15.280 --> 02:07:17.828
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane, would you like to start with yours?

1347
02:07:18.989 --> 02:07:22.412
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yes, I would like to move Koyama Lane Amendment 2.

1348
02:07:23.585 --> 02:07:26.027
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>You should have a copy of that in your inbox.

1349
02:07:26.091 --> 02:07:27.826
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It connects what we were talking about earlier.

1350
02:07:28.002 --> 02:07:55.975
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It now states that the requirements in code subsection 17.93.060.A are hereby waived for the proposed renaming of Northeast and Southeast Cesar Chavez Boulevard Instead, the existing street name sign and proposed new name sign shall both be posted and maintained up to 5 years following approval for the proposed renaming of the names.

1351
02:07:57.203 --> 02:08:01.480
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for your feedback, and I'd like to formally move this amendment and would appreciate a second.

1352
02:08:02.034 --> 02:08:02.213
<v Unidentified speaker>Second.

1353
02:08:02.328 --> 02:08:04.301
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane moves Koyama Lane 2.

1354
02:08:04.529 --> 02:08:05.622
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clark— Vice President Clark, do you move?

1355
02:08:05.671 --> 02:08:05.965
<v Jamie Dunphy>Second.

1356
02:08:06.899 --> 02:08:07.015
<v Angelita Morillo>Second.

1357
02:08:07.413 --> 02:08:09.273
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there discussion of this amendment?

1358
02:08:11.140 --> 02:08:12.155
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo?

1359
02:08:12.301 --> 02:08:12.365
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1360
02:08:12.688 --> 02:08:13.413
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick?

1361
02:08:14.382 --> 02:08:14.462
<v Roger Wohl>No.

1362
02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:15.253
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney?

1363
02:08:15.930 --> 02:08:16.350
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1364
02:08:16.721 --> 02:08:17.997
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate the changes.

1365
02:08:18.255 --> 02:08:34.407
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I just want to say on the record that I hope that PBOT, because this is a flexible timeline, gives notification on the specific timeline that residents along the street should expect to those residents with some Some advance warning.

1366
02:08:34.663 --> 02:08:43.895
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>For example, if 10 months in you think you can do this in 18 months, shoot folks who live on the street and have businesses on the street a letter letting them know that.

1367
02:08:44.957 --> 02:08:46.837
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I hope that PBOT is listening.

1368
02:08:46.900 --> 02:08:51.417
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't see folks in the room, but I will follow up to make sure they know that that is a request.

1369
02:08:51.890 --> 02:08:53.918
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Councilor, for amending your language.

1370
02:08:54.277 --> 02:08:55.576
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1371
02:08:57.199 --> 02:09:01.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue for discussion of Uh, Koyama Lane 2.

1372
02:09:01.345 --> 02:09:02.331
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, could we please call the roll?

1373
02:09:02.944 --> 02:09:04.898
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Koyama Lane, seconded by Clark.

1374
02:09:05.043 --> 02:09:05.511
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

1375
02:09:06.173 --> 02:09:06.221
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1376
02:09:06.673 --> 02:09:07.061
<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo.

1377
02:09:07.949 --> 02:09:07.997
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1378
02:09:08.693 --> 02:09:09.923
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

1379
02:09:11.511 --> 02:09:11.689
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1380
02:09:12.239 --> 02:09:12.742
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark.

1381
02:09:12.967 --> 02:09:13.016
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1382
02:09:13.615 --> 02:09:13.631
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1383
02:09:14.101 --> 02:09:14.150
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1384
02:09:15.347 --> 02:09:17.345
<v Keelan McClymont>Denphy.

1385
02:09:18.295 --> 02:09:18.471
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1386
02:09:19.180 --> 02:09:22.546
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with a vote of 12 ayes.

1387
02:09:22.980 --> 02:09:23.560
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you very much.

1388
02:09:23.608 --> 02:09:24.252
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Novick.

1389
02:09:25.882 --> 02:09:26.925
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

1390
02:09:27.069 --> 02:09:47.841
<v Steve Novick>I'd like to move my rewritten amendment, which is Novick 2, because we sent out an erroneous version first, that the amendment would amend paragraph 2 to say there is widespread support in the community to swiftly rename Portland Cesar Chavez Boulevard in a manner that befits and honors, et cetera, et cetera.

1391
02:09:48.082 --> 02:09:48.802
<v Sameer Kanal>Second.

1392
02:09:49.106 --> 02:09:50.502
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick moves Novick 2.

1393
02:09:50.630 --> 02:09:51.975
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal seconds.

1394
02:09:52.072 --> 02:09:53.755
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there further discussion of the amendments?

1395
02:09:57.930 --> 02:10:01.579
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on Novick 2?

1396
02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:05.039
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Novick, seconded by Kanal.

1397
02:10:05.039 --> 02:10:05.800
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

1398
02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:06.420
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1399
02:10:06.420 --> 02:10:08.340
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

1400
02:10:09.079 --> 02:10:09.579
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1401
02:10:09.579 --> 02:10:10.520
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1402
02:10:10.520 --> 02:10:11.159
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1403
02:10:11.159 --> 02:10:12.000
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1404
02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:12.100
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1405
02:10:12.100 --> 02:10:12.119
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1406
02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:12.159
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1407
02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:19.920
<v Keelan McClymont>The motion passes unanimously.

1408
02:10:20.336 --> 02:10:20.384
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1409
02:10:21.377 --> 02:10:21.537
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1410
02:10:22.114 --> 02:10:22.403
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1411
02:10:22.979 --> 02:10:23.028
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1412
02:10:23.301 --> 02:10:26.024
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

1413
02:10:26.265 --> 02:10:26.440
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1414
02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:27.627
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Vice President Clark?

1415
02:10:28.188 --> 02:10:29.149
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, thank you, Council President.

1416
02:10:29.244 --> 02:10:32.578
<v Olivia Clark>I would like to offer an amendment, um, to the ordinance to add an emergency clause.

1417
02:10:32.707 --> 02:10:37.322
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, I believe it's important that we move this item forward and not delay another week.

1418
02:10:37.738 --> 02:10:49.970
<v Olivia Clark>We would like to ensure that we are responsive to community concerns about the negative impact of survivors of abuse and others, and to ensure that we facilitate the timely operation of Okay.

1419
02:10:50.309 --> 02:10:50.518
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1420
02:10:50.567 --> 02:10:52.143
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark moves Clark 1.

1421
02:10:52.882 --> 02:10:54.314
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Ryan seconds.

1422
02:10:54.507 --> 02:10:56.261
<v Jamie Dunphy>The, uh, this amendment's been reviewed.

1423
02:10:56.342 --> 02:10:57.694
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see it in writing, so I see a copy.

1424
02:10:57.886 --> 02:10:59.363
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have a copy of it?

1425
02:11:00.148 --> 02:11:00.295
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have.

1426
02:11:01.619 --> 02:11:01.898
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1427
02:11:03.725 --> 02:11:04.987
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Uh, of the emergency clause?

1428
02:11:05.198 --> 02:11:06.087
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, the emergency clause.

1429
02:11:06.314 --> 02:11:07.529
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, we can send it.

1430
02:11:08.015 --> 02:11:11.462
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I'm gonna get that into your inboxes, colleagues.

1431
02:11:11.802 --> 02:11:14.952
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, any discussion of the Clark 1 amendment?

1432
02:11:18.310 --> 02:11:19.539
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, have you gotten a copy of this yet?

1433
02:11:21.626 --> 02:11:22.097
<v Keelan McClymont>Um, let me check.

1434
02:11:26.229 --> 02:11:31.951
<v Keelan McClymont>I think my team is clear on the reason for the emergency, so I think we can proceed with the vote if you're ready.

1435
02:11:32.015 --> 02:11:32.582
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sounds good.

1436
02:11:32.648 --> 02:11:34.721
<v Jamie Dunphy>Let's please call the roll on Clerk 1.

1437
02:11:38.671 --> 02:11:40.728
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, moved by Clerk, seconded by Ryan.

1438
02:11:41.202 --> 02:11:43.060
<v Keelan McClymont>This is to add the emergency clause.

1439
02:11:44.260 --> 02:11:44.502
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

1440
02:11:45.002 --> 02:11:45.051
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1441
02:11:45.666 --> 02:11:45.988
<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo?

1442
02:11:47.993 --> 02:11:48.042
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1443
02:11:49.690 --> 02:11:50.046
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

1444
02:11:50.256 --> 02:11:50.305
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1445
02:11:50.759 --> 02:11:51.065
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

1446
02:11:51.307 --> 02:11:51.356
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1447
02:11:52.020 --> 02:11:52.180
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

1448
02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:53.018
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1449
02:11:53.742 --> 02:11:54.112
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1450
02:11:54.386 --> 02:11:54.466
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1451
02:11:54.853 --> 02:11:55.158
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

1452
02:11:55.497 --> 02:11:55.545
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1453
02:11:55.996 --> 02:11:56.284
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

1454
02:11:56.542 --> 02:11:56.671
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1455
02:11:57.186 --> 02:11:57.493
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

1456
02:11:57.831 --> 02:11:57.992
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1457
02:11:58.329 --> 02:11:58.779
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

1458
02:11:59.118 --> 02:11:59.150
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1459
02:12:00.164 --> 02:12:00.180
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1460
02:12:00.648 --> 02:12:00.985
<v Keelan McClymont>Dennehy?

1461
02:12:01.292 --> 02:12:01.340
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1462
02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:03.860
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

1463
02:12:04.087 --> 02:12:10.184
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there any further discussion of the now thrice amended Underlying ordinance.

1464
02:12:12.488 --> 02:12:13.154
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1465
02:12:13.543 --> 02:12:15.506
<v Eric Zimmerman>Never lose the moment, so let's pass this sucker.

1466
02:12:16.170 --> 02:12:16.699
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

1467
02:12:16.828 --> 02:12:17.858
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1468
02:12:18.533 --> 02:12:23.984
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President, and thank you, Council Vice President, for adding this emergency clause because it is so important.

1469
02:12:24.865 --> 02:12:31.341
<v Loretta Smith>In 2009, we, uh, we first named 39th Boulevard Cesar Chavez Boulevard.

1470
02:12:32.176 --> 02:12:35.621
<v Loretta Smith>We unknowingly honored a very flawed man Thank you.

1471
02:12:35.877 --> 02:12:43.645
<v Loretta Smith>Who gave voice to millions and taught a nation that justice is cultivated through organizing and peaceful resolve.

1472
02:12:44.640 --> 02:12:47.962
<v Loretta Smith>We are reminded that a movement is never built by one individual.

1473
02:12:48.555 --> 02:13:04.932
<v Loretta Smith>It is built by the workers in the rows, bent over under the heat of the sun, enduring backbreaking labor from dawn until dusk so that families across our city and our state have food on their tables.

1474
02:13:06.095 --> 02:13:14.289
<v Loretta Smith>By dedicating this corridor to our campesinos, we honor the hands that feed us.

1475
02:13:17.020 --> 02:13:17.358
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1476
02:13:18.904 --> 02:13:20.724
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1477
02:13:20.917 --> 02:13:21.560
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1478
02:13:23.315 --> 02:13:34.810
<v Steve Novick>Uh, I think that this proposal is a very elegant I think that the idea of honoring Cesar Chavez to begin with was to honor the farmworkers movement.

1479
02:13:34.810 --> 02:13:40.539
<v Steve Novick>And I'm somebody who didn't eat grapes until I was like 7 years old because you're supposed to boycott them.

1480
02:13:41.350 --> 02:13:48.520
<v Steve Novick>I am sensitive to the concerns of folks who feel like this was a rushed process because it was.

1481
02:13:49.109 --> 02:13:57.189
<v Steve Novick>And the council president has indicated a desire to bring forward something that would establish a process that's not as elaborate as the street renaming process that we currently have.

1482
02:13:57.189 --> 02:13:57.350
<v Steve Novick>Council President, I think that's a good point.

1483
02:13:57.783 --> 02:13:58.779
<v Steve Novick>But it is still something.

1484
02:13:59.373 --> 02:14:02.201
<v Steve Novick>And here we basically had nothing.

1485
02:14:02.667 --> 02:14:08.546
<v Steve Novick>And I don't know that any process would have changed anybody's mind, but part of the point of process is just to allow people a chance to yell at us.

1486
02:14:09.091 --> 02:14:12.689
<v Steve Novick>And I wish we'd figured out a way to give people more of a chance to yell at us.

1487
02:14:13.990 --> 02:14:22.536
<v Steve Novick>And I'm not going to cast a protest vote today in support of giving people more time to yell at us, but I'm going to vote yes.

1488
02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:22.824
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1489
02:14:23.243 --> 02:14:30.644
<v Steve Novick>But I think that we need to make sure that before we do any other more street renamings, we have a process that we're actually willing to stick to.

1490
02:14:32.090 --> 02:14:33.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Novick.

1491
02:14:33.253 --> 02:14:34.271
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

1492
02:14:34.708 --> 02:14:43.018
<v Sameer Kanal>Just flagging, thanks for that, and I am committed to getting that on the Committee of the Whole agenda, and it's— you'll see it penciled in for the future for the next couple of months.

1493
02:14:43.470 --> 02:14:43.680
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1494
02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:45.992
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1495
02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:50.545
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue for discussion, Thank you.

1496
02:14:50.594 --> 02:14:53.578
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the roll on the underlying now amended ordinance?

1497
02:14:56.630 --> 02:15:00.055
<v Keelan McClymont>This is now an emergency and it requires 9 votes to pass.

1498
02:15:00.462 --> 02:15:00.932
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

1499
02:15:01.614 --> 02:15:03.125
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you so much, advocates.

1500
02:15:03.238 --> 02:15:03.659
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I vote aye.

1501
02:15:04.954 --> 02:15:05.068
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

1502
02:15:06.378 --> 02:15:06.426
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1503
02:15:07.997 --> 02:15:08.046
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1504
02:15:08.740 --> 02:15:08.918
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1505
02:15:09.292 --> 02:15:09.340
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1506
02:15:11.556 --> 02:15:11.605
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1507
02:15:16.613 --> 02:15:23.872
<v Loretta Smith>I'd just like to say I am deeply proud to sponsor this ordinance along with my colleague, uh, Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane.

1508
02:15:24.448 --> 02:15:26.387
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you for your help and your support.

1509
02:15:26.868 --> 02:15:40.297
<v Loretta Smith>I'm excited to cast my vote in favor of this ordinance on its second reading, and I urge all my colleagues to join me in cementing this tribute into the bedrock of our city spaces and streets.

1510
02:15:40.875 --> 02:15:41.226
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1511
02:15:44.372 --> 02:15:44.421
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1512
02:15:45.912 --> 02:15:45.962
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

1513
02:15:46.886 --> 02:15:47.064
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

1514
02:15:47.954 --> 02:15:51.765
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

1515
02:15:52.088 --> 02:15:53.027
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, colleagues.

1516
02:15:53.286 --> 02:15:57.278
<v Jamie Dunphy>Moving back to item number 13, I will— I have folks in the queue.

1517
02:15:57.423 --> 02:16:00.931
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have all 10 colleagues, um, and I will call folks out.

1518
02:16:01.220 --> 02:16:05.010
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, it was— we're going to start with— it's going to go Novick, Dunphy, Zimmerman.

1519
02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:05.889
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1520
02:16:06.524 --> 02:16:07.173
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

1521
02:16:08.706 --> 02:16:10.198
<v Steve Novick>Let's see, is the city attorney here?

1522
02:16:10.975 --> 02:16:12.725
<v Loretta Smith>One of them.

1523
02:16:16.113 --> 02:16:16.403
<v Steve Novick>Do we—.

1524
02:16:16.515 --> 02:16:19.542
<v Robert Taylor>Maybe I have not advised on this.

1525
02:16:20.025 --> 02:16:22.907
<v Steve Novick>Okay, well, that might be hard.

1526
02:16:23.519 --> 02:16:28.233
<v Steve Novick>So my question, I just want to clear up this idea of whether this resolution commits us to spending any money.

1527
02:16:29.332 --> 02:16:32.694
<v Steve Novick>So if you're comfortable answering the question, I will pose it this way.

1528
02:16:33.286 --> 02:16:42.552
<v Steve Novick>If we vote for this resolution and then we decide that we're not going to commit $44 million to anything and PSU then sued us for $44 million, would you be worried that they would win?

1529
02:16:43.722 --> 02:16:43.931
<v Angelita Morillo>I would—.

1530
02:16:43.962 --> 02:16:44.476
<v Keelan McClymont>No, I would not.

1531
02:16:44.668 --> 02:16:44.700
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I—.

1532
02:16:45.004 --> 02:16:46.816
<v Robert Taylor>It does not commit us to spending the money.

1533
02:16:47.088 --> 02:16:52.427
<v Robert Taylor>I would not be worried about defending our position in court that we are not obligated to spend the $44 million.

1534
02:16:52.603 --> 02:16:53.823
<v Steve Novick>Okay, thank you.

1535
02:16:54.207 --> 02:16:59.519
<v Steve Novick>Um, and as to the substance, um, this is This is difficult for me.

1536
02:17:00.629 --> 02:17:03.949
<v Steve Novick>Most of my friends who care about this issue are committed to the Keller.

1537
02:17:04.448 --> 02:17:14.067
<v Steve Novick>If I could wave a magic wand, I would make the Keller, you know, seismically resilient and be up to date overnight.

1538
02:17:15.736 --> 02:17:20.028
<v Steve Novick>I see, and I also share my colleagues' concerns that I don't know where the heck we're going to get the money to do anything.

1539
02:17:21.585 --> 02:17:39.665
<v Steve Novick>I see this vote as a vote to at least explore the possibility That we will be able over the next 20 years to have continuous Broadway-level productions and that we won't have an interruption for a significant period of time, which would cost people's jobs and hurt our economy.

1540
02:17:41.690 --> 02:17:46.150
<v Steve Novick>I know that some of the Keller advocates have said that maybe we should have a temporary venue.

1541
02:17:46.816 --> 02:17:50.727
<v Steve Novick>I know also the Broadway Across America folks have said that they don't see any way that that would work.

1542
02:17:51.334 --> 02:18:03.074
<v Steve Novick>So So I regret having to wind up like voting against my friends, but I just really think that I don't want to announce today that we're going to give up on the idea of continuous productions.

1543
02:18:04.263 --> 02:18:10.512
<v Steve Novick>And finally, this was not decisive for me, but I really appreciated the fact that Rosetta Benetucci quoted Hairspray last week.

1544
02:18:10.849 --> 02:18:14.384
<v Steve Novick>I really think that anybody testifying on an issue like this should work in a Broadway musical reference.

1545
02:18:15.573 --> 02:18:16.471
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1546
02:18:17.194 --> 02:18:18.593
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I put myself next in the queue.

1547
02:18:18.786 --> 02:18:19.266
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1548
02:18:19.522 --> 02:18:22.968
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think I've been extremely clear about where I stand on this proposal.

1549
02:18:23.593 --> 02:18:27.778
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that building a new venue at Portland State University is a really good idea.

1550
02:18:28.418 --> 02:18:31.239
<v Jamie Dunphy>But I want to talk about what this is all about in the big picture.

1551
02:18:31.720 --> 02:18:33.516
<v Jamie Dunphy>The Keller is one of the P5 theaters.

1552
02:18:33.933 --> 02:18:39.863
<v Jamie Dunphy>The city owns the building, which was first built in 1917 and remodeled in 1965 into what we know today.

1553
02:18:40.264 --> 02:18:45.746
<v Jamie Dunphy>It was named after Ira Keller, first chair of the Portland Development Commission and the architect of the demolition of Lower Alameda.

1554
02:18:45.810 --> 02:18:45.954
<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

1555
02:18:47.174 --> 02:18:52.852
<v Jamie Dunphy>The Keller still has 2 full walls that were built out of the 1917 brick masonry.

1556
02:18:53.832 --> 02:18:57.906
<v Jamie Dunphy>They didn't fix that in the 1965 renovation, so it's a seismic death trap.

1557
02:18:58.500 --> 02:19:04.403
<v Jamie Dunphy>A 4,000-seat assembly space, a giant room full of kids seeing The Nutcracker that will collapse in a serious earthquake.

1558
02:19:04.483 --> 02:19:17.520
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is another one of the situations where the city owns a building, the only building in Portland that can host Broadway-capable shows, and it is question of whether— of how and when we pay to fix it, not whether we will.

1559
02:19:17.808 --> 02:19:21.495
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I am convinced that the PSU proposal is the right proposal to move the city forward.

1560
02:19:22.281 --> 02:19:31.240
<v Jamie Dunphy>The proposal to close the Keller for major renovations, as I've said many times, would suspend touring Broadway productions in Portland for up to 5 years.

1561
02:19:31.673 --> 02:19:35.424
<v Jamie Dunphy>That would put scores of union stagehands and ticket takers out of work.

1562
02:19:35.536 --> 02:19:44.754
<v Jamie Dunphy>Specifically, with skilled technical labor, the city would very likely lose a major section of this work Workforce to Seattle, to Boise, or to competitor cities in the Sun Belt.

1563
02:19:46.005 --> 02:19:51.763
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we would lose the economic engine that pays for all other activities in the city-owned theaters downtown.

1564
02:19:52.579 --> 02:20:04.591
<v Jamie Dunphy>The extended loss of Broadway revenue would break P5's financial back at a time when it's already in financial distress and transition, and would place the city on a path towards full private— for-profit privatization of those theaters.

1565
02:20:05.023 --> 02:20:06.113
<v Jamie Dunphy>It has happened in other cities.

1566
02:20:07.173 --> 02:20:29.897
<v Jamie Dunphy>In contrast, by moving forward in partnership with Portland State University, the city will be tapping into one of the most effective and proven capital project development teams in our region who have clearly and repeatedly committed to spending their staff time, energy, and reputation on raising private dollars for what will be a city-owned asset, and who are proposing a joint approach on funding ongoing regular maintenance throughout the multi-building complex.

1567
02:20:30.539 --> 02:20:42.110
<v Jamie Dunphy>After 30 years limping along with our broken city metro model, the operating model has finally cracked, and our buildings are too empty, too expensive for community and arts groups alike and they are running out of money.

1568
02:20:42.494 --> 02:20:46.756
<v Jamie Dunphy>But imagine in 5 or 10 years we've built this new performing arts center at PSU.

1569
02:20:47.365 --> 02:20:58.903
<v Jamie Dunphy>Not only is it a new cool shiny object, not only does it get cranes in the sky, but we will have a state-of-the-art academic theater and the region's largest professionally touring house sharing the same complex.

1570
02:20:59.639 --> 02:21:02.941
<v Jamie Dunphy>PSU and the unions are already discussing a workforce development program.

1571
02:21:03.165 --> 02:21:18.208
<v Jamie Dunphy>Kids growing up in my district will be able to go from Parkrose High School and their theater program to an education at PSU that they can afford, where there will be opportunities to work with professional-grade equipment and have direct hands-on experience with national-level labor and practitioners.

1572
02:21:18.800 --> 02:21:22.057
<v Jamie Dunphy>Right now, you have to leave Oregon to get that education.

1573
02:21:22.570 --> 02:21:25.699
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is not something in my— that kids in my neighborhood can afford to do.

1574
02:21:26.740 --> 02:21:35.259
<v Jamie Dunphy>The new performing arts center will also be accessible to local arts community, which is starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel of a 2-decade-long crisis in affordable arts spaces.

1575
02:21:36.125 --> 02:21:44.359
<v Jamie Dunphy>PSU consulted with local arts groups to set the size of their proposed academic theater at a size that local nonprofits can also fill and will be able to utilize.

1576
02:21:44.536 --> 02:21:48.836
<v Jamie Dunphy>And from the beginning, they proposed to make studio and office space available to local groups as well.

1577
02:21:49.847 --> 02:21:55.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>This venue can catalyze the whole transition of the south end of downtown into a true cultural district.

1578
02:21:55.771 --> 02:22:03.456
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, our downtown theaters are changing after 30 years of the unique city metro management Metro steps away on July 1st, 2027.

1579
02:22:03.584 --> 02:22:17.986
<v Jamie Dunphy>So let's imagine once the Performing Arts Center is scoped, funded, and built, it'll become part of the P6, managed with a community benefit mission to provide great art and entertainment for the community and great places for local professionals to grow and present their work.

1580
02:22:18.628 --> 02:22:23.470
<v Jamie Dunphy>Broadway moves to join a vibrant art campus at the Performing Arts and Cultural Center.

1581
02:22:24.256 --> 02:22:26.037
<v Jamie Dunphy>Commercial shows bloom at the Keller and the Schnitzel.

1582
02:22:26.101 --> 02:22:26.197
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1583
02:22:26.903 --> 02:22:31.269
<v Jamie Dunphy>And someday one of those spaces will be redeveloped into a true concert hall.

1584
02:22:32.521 --> 02:22:39.855
<v Jamie Dunphy>Though it will take hard work, vision, and of course money, all of the benefit is to so many cross-sections of Portland that it could bring.

1585
02:22:40.450 --> 02:22:44.445
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is all absolutely possible, but the first step is thinking forwards, not backwards.

1586
02:22:45.200 --> 02:22:50.416
<v Jamie Dunphy>With good partners at the table and a plan that will set up so much potential for growth, we must move forward today.

1587
02:22:51.203 --> 02:23:06.081
<v Jamie Dunphy>We must believe in what is possible, and we must believe that what should be and could be And not fall back on those things that, than those who would say that the city can't do big things, that the only way for us to grow is to privatize, and that half measures are the best we can hope for in the absence of an actual vision.

1588
02:23:06.129 --> 02:23:08.100
<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, let's move forward.

1589
02:23:08.756 --> 02:23:12.155
<v Jamie Dunphy>We've been in the trenches of indecision for a decade, and please vote yes.

1590
02:23:12.619 --> 02:23:12.940
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1591
02:23:13.100 --> 02:23:15.376
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, thank you for your time, colleagues.

1592
02:23:15.424 --> 02:23:17.331
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1593
02:23:17.490 --> 02:23:18.388
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you, Mr. President.

1594
02:23:19.046 --> 02:23:30.747
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I just wanna lay out a few questions as, you know, if this were to go forward, a resolution to engage in a study, the questions that are really on my mind is, Why does the city have to have an ownership stake moving forward?

1595
02:23:30.797 --> 02:23:38.560
<v Eric Zimmerman>I actually don't understand that, so I would need that defined and understood as we go forward.

1596
02:23:39.796 --> 02:23:42.025
<v Eric Zimmerman>The capital stack is something that I'm very interested in.

1597
02:23:42.105 --> 02:23:50.961
<v Eric Zimmerman>I know that the note of $12.5 million was mentioned earlier, but $12.5 million out of $450 million is not a number I think is significant in terms of getting something over.

1598
02:23:51.025 --> 02:23:56.576
<v Eric Zimmerman>So what that really looks like on top of the state bonds is something that I'm curious about.

1599
02:23:56.625 --> 02:23:56.769
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1600
02:23:58.229 --> 02:24:06.708
<v Eric Zimmerman>You know, I have read this now times to the point where my eyes are blurring a little bit to ensure that there is no commitment, fully commitment of money in this, and that's what I'm seeing.

1601
02:24:06.772 --> 02:24:15.587
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'm leaning towards support of this mostly because I am a believer in getting in the room to figure out if this can be a thing or if it can't.

1602
02:24:15.667 --> 02:24:28.082
<v Eric Zimmerman>And right now, one of the disappointing things about this entire experience has been the lack of, of of coherent, aligned message or story or what could be.

1603
02:24:28.290 --> 02:24:35.384
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think there's a lot of work to be done there on the PSU side, on the city side, and I hope on the community side.

1604
02:24:37.568 --> 02:24:41.265
<v Eric Zimmerman>One of my colleagues said to me, God, I wish you were one of those theater gays.

1605
02:24:41.782 --> 02:24:44.995
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that was probably because they hoped I was more fired up on this topic.

1606
02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:55.092
<v Eric Zimmerman>And, and I take that in stride because Because I recognize I don't know a lot about is Portland right for an 18,000 or 3,900-person theater.

1607
02:24:55.220 --> 02:24:56.441
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't actually want to know.

1608
02:24:56.522 --> 02:24:57.532
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, that's not my wheelhouse.

1609
02:24:57.726 --> 02:25:05.323
<v Eric Zimmerman>What I'm looking for are people who do know that industry, do know how we do the thing that Council President just mentioned, which is not go dark for 5 years.

1610
02:25:05.514 --> 02:25:06.688
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's what I'm interested in.

1611
02:25:06.736 --> 02:25:22.316
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I said in committee that despite not fully understanding the market of different theater, that I looked at the role of Um, building something is, is, is good in terms of— I'm a— I'm in favor of cranes in the air right now.

1612
02:25:22.621 --> 02:25:39.393
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am so concerned about our economic position, our workforce, that if our engaging in a negotiation gets PSU— or I guess the word I want to think of is enables PSU— then I'm open to that at this, at this point.

1613
02:25:39.472 --> 02:25:45.104
<v Eric Zimmerman>I will be fully invested in understanding what the commitment will be that comes back later in the year, like Council Vice President mentioned.

1614
02:25:46.227 --> 02:25:53.405
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I want to just keep in mind, like, I'm not taking votes to build math centers, engineering labs, history buildings.

1615
02:25:53.581 --> 02:26:01.960
<v Eric Zimmerman>So the question about why is Portland involved in Portland State's performing arts center remains a big question that should be answered in this, and I hope that it will be.

1616
02:26:02.088 --> 02:26:06.302
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I have faith in talking with some city folks that we can get to that point.

1617
02:26:07.537 --> 02:26:14.284
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I do think that if we are able to enable another major organization to do a big thing, then we should be open to that.

1618
02:26:14.349 --> 02:26:33.175
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so while this has been a frustrating experience, I am still leaning toward a yes vote at this point, and largely because I appreciate Council Vice President who brought forward an amendment in committee to concurrent this with a Keller future, because a Keller future was paramountly important to me.

1619
02:26:33.336 --> 02:26:36.897
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I saw her put that in, and I, and I think this resolution now does that.

1620
02:26:36.960 --> 02:26:37.057
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1621
02:26:37.831 --> 02:26:39.332
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so this has been complicated.

1622
02:26:39.379 --> 02:26:43.397
<v Eric Zimmerman>I wanted to share some thoughts, but that's where I'm at, and I'm still leaning toward a yes on that, and I appreciate it.

1623
02:26:43.478 --> 02:26:43.753
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1624
02:26:44.204 --> 02:26:45.204
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Zimmerman.

1625
02:26:45.870 --> 02:26:47.970
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, it's— we have Kanal, Pirtle-Guiney, then Smith.

1626
02:26:48.084 --> 02:26:48.715
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Kanal.

1627
02:26:49.926 --> 02:26:51.786
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

1628
02:26:51.948 --> 02:27:05.328
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I think, you know, the, the thing that each decision we make is going to have some problem, and the problem I haven't yet been able to solve is going to change Depending on as, as this conversation evolves, right?

1629
02:27:05.649 --> 02:27:11.434
<v Sameer Kanal>So, um, I really wanted to answer Councilor Avalos's question.

1630
02:27:11.898 --> 02:27:16.257
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, when we started engaging with this, it was already post-amendment, but the amendments are, are good.

1631
02:27:16.322 --> 02:27:22.411
<v Sameer Kanal>And I noticed in the document it does say multiple times, um, that this doesn't commit and there'll be a process for money.

1632
02:27:22.476 --> 02:27:26.112
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I do want to acknowledge that, and some of that is, is a relation to the amendments.

1633
02:27:26.641 --> 02:27:40.283
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think what, what everyone's seeing here is just I think there's just a trust gap between the administration and the council on whether or not we actually are anything more than an advisory committee to the mayor.

1634
02:27:40.379 --> 02:27:42.961
<v Sameer Kanal>And that's been the same conversation we've had for a while.

1635
02:27:43.365 --> 02:27:48.317
<v Sameer Kanal>And I would hope that the media in this room actually talk about that because it has not been discussed enough.

1636
02:27:50.825 --> 02:27:57.084
<v Sameer Kanal>I also want to say that Councilor Clark's amendment has been a good kind of complication to this for me.

1637
02:27:57.420 --> 02:28:15.582
<v Sameer Kanal>Because I, I do appreciate that it didn't commit us fully, um, to only going down the PSU, um, path, but also looking at what we have to do to retain the Keller at least, um, for the 5 years, but also, um, in, in a smaller, uh, state going forward.

1638
02:28:16.208 --> 02:28:17.636
<v Sameer Kanal>And I, I'm personally very interested in this.

1639
02:28:17.747 --> 02:28:22.546
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I have the privilege— I lived in New York for a little bit, got the chance to see like, uh, the play called Grace on Broadway.

1640
02:28:22.947 --> 02:28:24.406
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, obviously a big supporter of PSU.

1641
02:28:24.486 --> 02:28:27.005
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm a Portlander because my dad got into I went to grad school here.

1642
02:28:27.054 --> 02:28:28.497
<v Sameer Kanal>That's why my family lives here.

1643
02:28:29.042 --> 02:28:40.048
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that the challenge I'm dealing with right now is PSU is a state university, and the state is restricting our ability to do taxation at the level that we might want to.

1644
02:28:41.075 --> 02:28:52.816
<v Sameer Kanal>If we— if you look at the foreclosure places where we have on today's agenda on Portland Maps, you're going to see a lot of property tax assessment levels that are much lower than the market value.

1645
02:28:52.880 --> 02:28:52.944
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1646
02:28:53.683 --> 02:28:58.468
<v Sameer Kanal>And if we were able to get out from Measure 5 and 50, we would be able to pay for things like this easily.

1647
02:28:59.063 --> 02:29:05.356
<v Sameer Kanal>The reason that Portland has had difficulty taking big swings is largely because of state restriction.

1648
02:29:05.790 --> 02:29:13.867
<v Sameer Kanal>And it's hard for me to try and move— taxation authority continually goes up the levels of government while the obligation to pay for things is being pushed down.

1649
02:29:14.477 --> 02:29:18.185
<v Sameer Kanal>That's really a frustration I have, and I'm grateful to see some colleagues nodding along here.

1650
02:29:18.250 --> 02:29:18.346
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1651
02:29:19.027 --> 02:29:20.754
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I'm, I'm struggling with that.

1652
02:29:20.819 --> 02:29:27.505
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think maybe I'd feel differently about this if this was not right now, um, because we're broke.

1653
02:29:27.747 --> 02:29:29.213
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think it's important that we just say that.

1654
02:29:29.520 --> 02:29:31.784
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and some of my colleagues have too.

1655
02:29:32.346 --> 02:29:33.391
<v Sameer Kanal>I just don't know how we pay for this.

1656
02:29:33.487 --> 02:29:35.480
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's why I'm leaning towards a no vote.

1657
02:29:35.786 --> 02:29:37.424
<v Sameer Kanal>I would love to have this happen.

1658
02:29:37.488 --> 02:29:38.647
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I'm very supportive of it.

1659
02:29:38.694 --> 02:29:40.708
<v Sameer Kanal>I just don't know how we get the money to go around.

1660
02:29:41.111 --> 02:29:42.914
<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to flag one thing for later.

1661
02:29:43.510 --> 02:29:56.220
<v Sameer Kanal>This is— I, I learned today about another interesting timing thing about an November 2024 commitment made by the city administration to this project.

1662
02:29:56.770 --> 02:30:03.436
<v Sameer Kanal>And I cannot— I understand that the business of the city doesn't pause for 2 months after an election and before people take over.

1663
02:30:03.808 --> 02:30:21.569
<v Sameer Kanal>But the idea that after that election, we would be committing to this after an election that got rid of 4/5 of the sitting city council, put 11/12 of the new council in and a new mayor, The idea that we'd be making big commitments for years and years and years, which we saw the day after the election, we extended Downtown Clean and Safe as well.

1664
02:30:21.634 --> 02:30:24.557
<v Sameer Kanal>There's a lot of big commitments that were made to try and tie our hands.

1665
02:30:25.135 --> 02:30:31.397
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I would hope that we are all exercising thought based on our own opinions on it as we pursue this.

1666
02:30:31.494 --> 02:30:44.629
<v Sameer Kanal>But that— I just wanted to flag that because at some point we're going to have to need to— we're going to need to do oversight on just that 7, 8-week period and all the things that the transition Tried to tie our hands on, because that's unacceptable.

1667
02:30:45.287 --> 02:30:50.182
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, getting back to this, I want to really appreciate the testifiers from last week.

1668
02:30:50.824 --> 02:30:57.468
<v Sameer Kanal>It really helped with me as I've been thinking about it, in particular, uh, the folks from Halperin, in particular folks from IATSE as well.

1669
02:30:58.046 --> 02:31:02.363
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and, and really complicating it, this— there's not an easy answer to this one.

1670
02:31:02.412 --> 02:31:06.777
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's why I keep saying I'm leaning, but, um, I am looking forward to hearing everybody else's before we take a vote.

1671
02:31:07.129 --> 02:31:07.323
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1672
02:31:08.735 --> 02:31:11.926
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1673
02:31:12.327 --> 02:31:14.558
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, and then it'll be Smith and Ryan.

1674
02:31:14.766 --> 02:31:15.521
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1675
02:31:15.697 --> 02:31:16.628
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1676
02:31:16.675 --> 02:31:18.537
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, we build for our future.

1677
02:31:19.483 --> 02:31:23.751
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We build the bike infrastructure for the ridership we know future Portland must have.

1678
02:31:24.296 --> 02:31:30.521
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We build transit-oriented housing and density with less parking for the future Portland we know we will have.

1679
02:31:31.354 --> 02:31:33.745
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We also must build out our arts venues for the future we want.

1680
02:31:34.804 --> 02:31:40.000
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want a future Portland that has a more practical, workable, large-scale seated venue.

1681
02:31:41.058 --> 02:31:54.770
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also want a future Portland with venues for our smallest theater companies, where we as a city support arts that tell all of our stories and lift up the future actors and playwrights and dancers and musicians and singers and undefinable performance artists who got their start here.

1682
02:31:55.893 --> 02:32:01.891
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have to build that future now, and we have to build it While acknowledging the money we have today.

1683
02:32:01.971 --> 02:32:03.222
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that's why we're here.

1684
02:32:03.495 --> 02:32:05.566
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's why we have this resolution before us.

1685
02:32:06.175 --> 02:32:12.546
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we weren't keeping an eye on our bottom line, we would be in negotiations as a city for 2 large-scale venues.

1686
02:32:13.380 --> 02:32:14.407
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But we can't.

1687
02:32:15.066 --> 02:32:16.060
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We can't support that.

1688
02:32:16.831 --> 02:32:37.424
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Instead, we have a proposal that will allow us to enter into conversations with a partner with the stated goal of creating a new 3,000-seat venue while also Using the opportunity we have of the Keller to fill in the other gaps in our theater ecosystem that aren't filled now in a revitalized future Keller.

1689
02:32:38.324 --> 02:32:52.597
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We can do this, and frankly, we can do it with a PLA already negotiated on the project, a timeline that ensures folks who work in our performing arts venues don't lose hours, losing pay, and potentially losing healthcare while we do it.

1690
02:32:53.503 --> 02:32:56.496
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We can do it with a partner who's committed to those things.

1691
02:32:58.360 --> 02:33:02.855
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have collectively as a body a lot of questions we need answered.

1692
02:33:03.567 --> 02:33:08.960
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Portland has collectively as a city a lot of questions we need answered.

1693
02:33:10.033 --> 02:33:19.770
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate the amendments to strengthen this proposal, the amendments that strengthen the commitment to the Keller and to being deliberate about funding decisions.

1694
02:33:19.817 --> 02:33:19.915
<v Roger Wohl>Thank you.

1695
02:33:20.444 --> 02:33:27.030
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because we must be careful how we balance our future needs and our current abilities that we debated and adopted in committee.

1696
02:33:27.869 --> 02:33:29.852
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I want to talk about the cost of a no vote.

1697
02:33:31.297 --> 02:33:37.986
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Inaction today means we are telling the administration no, no, don't enter into conversations with PSU.

1698
02:33:39.677 --> 02:33:43.406
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, think about the vision Councilor Dunphy painted for us just a moment ago.

1699
02:33:44.299 --> 02:33:45.583
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>President Dunphy, I apologize.

1700
02:33:45.697 --> 02:33:45.843
<v Sameer Kanal>All good.

1701
02:33:47.334 --> 02:33:50.638
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Think about what future Portland needs to offer.

1702
02:33:51.442 --> 02:33:55.681
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What opportunities do we want available for budding artists across our city?

1703
02:33:57.632 --> 02:33:59.780
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Are we willing to close the door on this?

1704
02:34:01.102 --> 02:34:03.233
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I am not willing to close that door today.

1705
02:34:04.006 --> 02:34:08.502
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think we need to tell the administration to start the work, and we need to lay out our conditions.

1706
02:34:08.549 --> 02:34:12.156
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And colleagues, we have done that in the conversations we had in committee.

1707
02:34:12.221 --> 02:34:12.334
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1708
02:34:12.884 --> 02:34:21.140
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The amendments that were adopted there and the conversations we have had on this dais today, we have made our conditions clear on the record.

1709
02:34:22.540 --> 02:34:25.641
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's tell the administration to have the conversation.

1710
02:34:26.381 --> 02:34:29.099
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's tell them to do the work to answer our questions.

1711
02:34:29.998 --> 02:34:34.988
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's tell them to figure out how we can build the future we know our city can and should have.

1712
02:34:36.433 --> 02:34:38.552
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And let's tell them to figure out how to do that within our means.

1713
02:34:38.602 --> 02:34:38.717
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1714
02:34:40.104 --> 02:34:43.280
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we take a yes vote today, that is what we are saying.

1715
02:34:44.579 --> 02:34:51.176
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we take a no vote, we're closing the door on what our arts ecosystem looks like in future Portland.

1716
02:34:52.832 --> 02:34:54.295
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I hope we can support this here today.

1717
02:34:54.522 --> 02:34:54.863
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1718
02:34:54.944 --> 02:34:56.407
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1719
02:34:56.895 --> 02:34:58.861
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, then Ryan, then Murillo.

1720
02:34:58.942 --> 02:34:59.512
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Smith.

1721
02:35:01.158 --> 02:35:02.237
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1722
02:35:04.766 --> 02:35:17.472
<v Loretta Smith>I am really too concerned about where we get the money from, but I appreciate you laying this out, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, because it really does make a difference.

1723
02:35:17.538 --> 02:35:23.474
<v Loretta Smith>And I hear what you're saying, that we're saying to the arts community that we don't care, and that's not so.

1724
02:35:23.538 --> 02:35:24.981
<v Loretta Smith>That's not who we are up here.

1725
02:35:25.783 --> 02:35:29.073
<v Loretta Smith>And so you all have given me something to think about.

1726
02:35:29.329 --> 02:35:29.699
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1727
02:35:30.198 --> 02:35:42.757
<v Loretta Smith>And I support, uh, Councilor Avalos's, uh, amendment so that we're making crystal clear that we are not making a commitment to dollars today.

1728
02:35:44.933 --> 02:35:54.817
<v Loretta Smith>And, uh, Council President, I know that this has been a, um, a priority of yours, um, for a long time, and, um, I get it.

1729
02:35:55.269 --> 02:36:10.222
<v Loretta Smith>I, I will expect to see those apprenticeships and all, all the things to making sure that people in our district are being able to, um, take advantage of this opportunity, because it means a lot.

1730
02:36:10.528 --> 02:36:19.011
<v Loretta Smith>From Parkrose, from David Douglas, from Reynolds, I want the folks in our neck of the woods— and, and when I say neck of the woods, it is neck of the woods—.

1731
02:36:19.011 --> 02:36:19.540
<v Olivia Clark>Mm-hmm.

1732
02:36:19.748 --> 02:36:22.746
<v Loretta Smith>Um, that they have an opportunity to have an opportunity.

1733
02:36:23.388 --> 02:36:26.500
<v Loretta Smith>So thank you for bringing this forward.

1734
02:36:27.045 --> 02:36:27.751
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1735
02:36:28.006 --> 02:36:30.075
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan, then Morillo, then Avalos.

1736
02:36:30.268 --> 02:36:30.750
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

1737
02:36:30.989 --> 02:36:31.550
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, thank you.

1738
02:36:31.951 --> 02:36:32.931
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

1739
02:36:32.995 --> 02:36:38.608
<v Dan Ryan>First, congratulations to Portland State University on building a new student-centered performance hall.

1740
02:36:38.832 --> 02:36:42.343
<v Dan Ryan>I was so happy that you were successful in the last legislative session.

1741
02:36:42.617 --> 02:36:45.727
<v Dan Ryan>That was partly why we took the pause, was to let that get worked out.

1742
02:36:46.129 --> 02:36:48.998
<v Dan Ryan>It's really great news for the students at your fine university.

1743
02:36:49.209 --> 02:36:50.002
<v Dan Ryan>I'm thrilled with that.

1744
02:36:50.648 --> 02:36:54.161
<v Dan Ryan>I respect and personally know advocates on both sides of this conversation.

1745
02:36:54.694 --> 02:36:59.043
<v Dan Ryan>In my career, I spent 9 years at Portland State's Development Foundation offices.

1746
02:36:59.157 --> 02:37:05.493
<v Dan Ryan>In fact, my first position was in the School of Fine and Performing Arts, the first development director that was hired.

1747
02:37:05.943 --> 02:37:07.700
<v Dan Ryan>It was a couple decades ago.

1748
02:37:08.167 --> 02:37:11.423
<v Dan Ryan>And a couple years raising funds at Oregon Ballet Theatre.

1749
02:37:13.640 --> 02:37:16.953
<v Dan Ryan>If I was holding those positions, I would probably advocate for a yes vote today.

1750
02:37:17.481 --> 02:37:27.666
<v Dan Ryan>Today, I'm a member of the Portland City Council during a time of de-escalating value of commercial properties, a struggling economy, and escalating deferred maintenance of our assets.

1751
02:37:28.549 --> 02:37:45.613
<v Dan Ryan>Abandoning the Keller and our partners at the Halperin Sequence— thank you to all, to all the hardworking Halperin Sequence volunteers who have been at the table longer than anyone in this room fighting for the future of our performing arts center— and we would abandon that and jump into building a new facility that will add to our deferred maintenance.

1752
02:37:45.662 --> 02:37:45.967
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilmember Ryan.

1753
02:37:47.475 --> 02:37:51.132
<v Dan Ryan>Both choices offer a vision for the future of arts in our city.

1754
02:37:52.031 --> 02:38:00.679
<v Dan Ryan>I envision a full restoration of our current asset, Keller Performance Hall, across from our world-renowned public art jewel, the Four Court Fountain.

1755
02:38:01.433 --> 02:38:07.962
<v Dan Ryan>Some people call it Keller, located in the core of our downtown that has parking, hotels, and restaurants.

1756
02:38:08.958 --> 02:38:16.558
<v Dan Ryan>I don't want that area to go dark, and Keller is in the driver of foot traffic also for that core part of downtown.

1757
02:38:17.456 --> 02:38:22.248
<v Dan Ryan>I have faith we can be creative, scrappy, and innovative to both produce Broadway during that year of construction.

1758
02:38:22.825 --> 02:38:32.106
<v Dan Ryan>And, and so Portland Opera will continue to be subsidized by the traveling Broadway shows, and I have confidence that we will be true to the laborers during construction.

1759
02:38:33.165 --> 02:38:38.759
<v Dan Ryan>As such, the origin of this resolution is based on the fear of us not taking care of business during construction.

1760
02:38:38.823 --> 02:38:38.934
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1761
02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:47.460
<v Dan Ryan>Construction and the fantasy that we'll find $1 billion for 2 new large-scale performance halls that are not needed, as confirmed by staff today.

1762
02:38:48.889 --> 02:38:56.468
<v Dan Ryan>Time to be reasonable and improve on what we are already responsible for and not add further government-induced blight to a core area of downtown.

1763
02:38:57.272 --> 02:38:58.653
<v Dan Ryan>I'll be voting no on this resolution.

1764
02:38:59.567 --> 02:39:00.675
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1765
02:39:01.270 --> 02:39:03.438
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have Councilors Murillo, Avalos, and then Clark.

1766
02:39:03.518 --> 02:39:04.239
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Murillo.

1767
02:39:05.911 --> 02:39:06.858
<v Angelita Morillo>Hi, thank you so much.

1768
02:39:07.114 --> 02:39:10.054
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, I have a question for the city attorney, and I'll try to be quick.

1769
02:39:10.102 --> 02:39:16.123
<v Angelita Morillo>Council President, I apologize, uh, the fire alarm went off in my building during the earlier question portion and I couldn't ask it.

1770
02:39:16.751 --> 02:39:18.709
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so is there a city attorney that's coming up right now?

1771
02:39:18.998 --> 02:39:19.255
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yep.

1772
02:39:20.202 --> 02:39:20.540
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1773
02:39:21.487 --> 02:39:34.238
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so I'll keep talking while that person is going up, but I just want to say that contrary to what Councilor Novick, uh, stated in his inquiry, I'm not worried that PSU is going to sue for a certain dollar amount and potentially win.

1774
02:39:35.930 --> 02:39:41.763
<v Angelita Morillo>The question I have is actually more around the executive authority, because we saw that with the tennis center.

1775
02:39:42.311 --> 02:39:50.921
<v Angelita Morillo>We were told as council the executive was not going to move forward in a certain way, and then they did that without us, regardless of what we had intended when we approved an amendment.

1776
02:39:52.540 --> 02:40:05.072
<v Angelita Morillo>So the question to me on executive authority and whether what we are approving today empowers the executive to take certain steps without council consultation is what I'm asking for.

1777
02:40:06.091 --> 02:40:11.744
<v Angelita Morillo>Are there any steps that the executive can take as a result of this resolution being approved that would bind council?

1778
02:40:17.525 --> 02:40:20.581
<v Robert Taylor>The steps that the— this is Robert Taylor, the city attorney.

1779
02:40:21.082 --> 02:40:25.916
<v Robert Taylor>The steps that the council could take would be constrained by the terms of this resolution.

1780
02:40:27.003 --> 02:40:31.363
<v Robert Taylor>This resolution says explicitly that no funding is being committed.

1781
02:40:33.786 --> 02:40:39.126
<v Robert Taylor>And so this is a different circumstance than the Tennis Center situation.

1782
02:40:39.959 --> 02:40:49.692
<v Robert Taylor>But in terms of this, this action, it really is, as, as DCA Oliveira described, it is just the, the choice of council.

1783
02:40:49.740 --> 02:40:55.192
<v Robert Taylor>Do we want to pursue more due diligence on the PSU project?

1784
02:40:56.540 --> 02:40:58.913
<v Robert Taylor>But it's not a commitment to actually go through with it.

1785
02:40:59.025 --> 02:41:00.674
<v Robert Taylor>It's not a commitment to fund it.

1786
02:41:00.804 --> 02:41:04.733
<v Robert Taylor>It's not an authorization to do anything more than that.

1787
02:41:06.253 --> 02:41:06.576
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

1788
02:41:07.450 --> 02:41:18.363
<v Angelita Morillo>I think when we went through the Tennis Center debacle, even though it's not the same, it's similar because the amendment we approved did not bind us into privatizing our city assets.

1789
02:41:18.509 --> 02:41:25.584
<v Angelita Morillo>And then that's exactly what happened without really a lot of consultation or discussion from council or frankly from our constituents.

1790
02:41:26.206 --> 02:41:30.275
<v Angelita Morillo>So the pause that I have in this entire discussion is actually not because of PSU.

1791
02:41:30.772 --> 02:41:36.653
<v Angelita Morillo>I think they've done a really good job trying to get the capital stack, show us that they are committed to finding that funding elsewhere.

1792
02:41:37.823 --> 02:41:44.841
<v Angelita Morillo>And I share the concerns that my other colleagues have talked about, the longevity of the arts in our city and what this can do for students.

1793
02:41:45.593 --> 02:41:51.025
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm more concerned about how our executive is interacting with the council, the legislative body.

1794
02:41:51.138 --> 02:42:03.581
<v Angelita Morillo>So I guess a follow-up question on that is, Does this resolution allow for the executive to take steps that are going to bind us financially in the future, including how the executive is allowed to engage on this?

1795
02:42:06.170 --> 02:42:07.540
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, not again.

1796
02:42:07.975 --> 02:42:13.745
<v Robert Taylor>The, the scope of the executive's authority would be limited by the terms of the, the resolution.

1797
02:42:14.504 --> 02:42:14.585
<v Steve Novick>The—.

1798
02:42:14.911 --> 02:42:25.614
<v Robert Taylor>Under the charter, the, the mayor has authority to execute contracts consistent with So if funds have been budgeted, they could execute those contracts.

1799
02:42:26.224 --> 02:42:38.906
<v Robert Taylor>If a contract is executed and there is no budget authority for it, then the contract needs to be explicit that council at any time can decline to fund the commitments in the contract.

1800
02:42:40.093 --> 02:42:53.171
<v Robert Taylor>So for this resolution, it is very explicit in one of the be it resolved sections that this resolution does not commit any funding to the ultimate development.

1801
02:42:53.218 --> 02:43:03.810
<v Robert Taylor>So I think this is very, very clear in my mind as far as limiting the executive's authority to make any financial commitment.

1802
02:43:06.084 --> 02:43:07.186
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, thank you, City Attorney.

1803
02:43:07.236 --> 02:43:13.747
<v Angelita Morillo>I appreciate you putting that on the record, and I think we'll be able to pull that on later if we need to.

1804
02:43:18.221 --> 02:43:25.929
<v Angelita Morillo>I— it's not lost on me that we're being asked to approve this, um, Keller, Moda.

1805
02:43:26.411 --> 02:43:32.484
<v Angelita Morillo>I think very soon we're going to be asked to make upgrades to the Timber Stadium as well in the coming years.

1806
02:43:32.661 --> 02:43:40.203
<v Angelita Morillo>And so we have a lot of major infrastructure projects that we are being asked to find support for that we don't really have funding for at the city.

1807
02:43:40.316 --> 02:43:41.728
<v Angelita Morillo>We have laid off a ton employees.

1808
02:43:41.856 --> 02:43:49.032
<v Angelita Morillo>We have cut core services, and frankly, our city is being hacked up and being sold for parts, including with the tennis center.

1809
02:43:49.497 --> 02:43:52.274
<v Angelita Morillo>And so I have a lot of concerns about all of this long term.

1810
02:43:52.709 --> 02:43:58.888
<v Angelita Morillo>What I am hearing from the city attorney is that this is simply going to be a convening to try to figure out some different options for that.

1811
02:43:59.290 --> 02:44:23.712
<v Angelita Morillo>So what I want to say on the record right now is that I am okay with investigating options, but I am not okay with being financially or politically bound to approve this later down the line if it turns out the city does not have those those funds, because I, I am very worried that we are being constantly put in this political position of approving things and saying, don't worry about it, you're not bound to it.

1812
02:44:23.856 --> 02:44:27.118
<v Angelita Morillo>But really, we are being politically bound to it in some ways.

1813
02:44:27.855 --> 02:44:30.250
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, so I'm still quite torn on this, actually.

1814
02:44:30.506 --> 02:44:37.477
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, but I do care about the future of the arts and the workers at these stadiums that are going to be, um, potentially put out of work.

1815
02:44:37.590 --> 02:44:37.701
<v Olivia Clark>So—.

1816
02:44:37.718 --> 02:44:37.815
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes.

1817
02:44:38.442 --> 02:44:47.056
<v Angelita Morillo>That's where I'm at right now, but I appreciate you clarifying that, City Attorney Robert Taylor, and I hope the executive has heard us loud and clear on this as well.

1818
02:44:47.283 --> 02:44:47.560
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1819
02:44:48.505 --> 02:44:49.254
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

1820
02:44:49.498 --> 02:44:51.226
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have Avalos, then Clark, then Green.

1821
02:44:51.273 --> 02:44:51.990
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Avalos.

1822
02:44:53.399 --> 02:44:53.737
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1823
02:44:55.448 --> 02:44:57.061
<v Candace Avalos>If this— if you could stay up there.

1824
02:44:57.304 --> 02:44:57.530
<v Candace Avalos>Hi.

1825
02:44:58.093 --> 02:45:05.076
<v Candace Avalos>If this resolution doesn't pass, well, what authority do you think the city has If this does not pass?

1826
02:45:06.342 --> 02:45:15.138
<v Candace Avalos>Like, will the work to scope and talk with PSU still move forward, or will it end because they're waiting for this resolution to pass?

1827
02:45:17.141 --> 02:45:19.934
<v Robert Taylor>I think that's a great question.

1828
02:45:20.209 --> 02:45:39.950
<v Robert Taylor>I think that perhaps DCA Oliveira might be better equipped to answer that in the sense that Um, the administration, they can still have conversations, they can still engage in due diligence if they choose to do that or not.

1829
02:45:40.826 --> 02:45:53.666
<v Robert Taylor>The— I, I think the bind, the bind that they feel themselves in is they don't want to go too far down a path if they don't feel like there's majority council support for something.

1830
02:45:54.086 --> 02:45:57.372
<v Robert Taylor>They don't want to waste their time, they don't want to waste the community's time.

1831
02:45:57.436 --> 02:45:58.995
<v Robert Taylor>They don't want to waste their partner's time.

1832
02:45:59.912 --> 02:46:05.968
<v Robert Taylor>And, and, and so they, they kind of just want to know, is the game worth the candle here?

1833
02:46:06.578 --> 02:46:08.442
<v Robert Taylor>Do we want to go down this road or not?

1834
02:46:08.667 --> 02:46:15.448
<v Robert Taylor>That's what they're hoping to get from council, is a sense of, are we okay going down this road?

1835
02:46:15.995 --> 02:46:16.588
<v Candace Avalos>And when you say—.

1836
02:46:16.861 --> 02:46:28.036
<v Robert Taylor>And if, and if council rejects this or doesn't approve it, then I think the administration is, is is where they were 2 weeks ago, which is, well, we don't really know.

1837
02:46:28.918 --> 02:46:30.362
<v Robert Taylor>We're kind of stuck right now.

1838
02:46:30.763 --> 02:46:31.983
<v Robert Taylor>And they're not sure what to do.

1839
02:46:32.753 --> 02:46:34.181
<v Robert Taylor>They're not sure if there's support.

1840
02:46:34.292 --> 02:46:41.143
<v Robert Taylor>And I think that's what they're hoping to get from council, is just a sense of, is it worth going down this path or not?

1841
02:46:42.170 --> 02:46:47.448
<v Candace Avalos>So they're looking for council support of going down a path of exploring and getting the numbers and yada yada.

1842
02:46:47.929 --> 02:46:53.170
<v Candace Avalos>And also, per the amendments and the way that it's currently written, that it won't have financial commitments.

1843
02:46:53.619 --> 02:47:01.807
<v Candace Avalos>Now, you keep saying that, um, you know, per charter, the mayor and city administrator have the authority to move forward with funds that are budgeted.

1844
02:47:01.887 --> 02:47:07.752
<v Candace Avalos>So I guess let me explicitly ask, are there funds budgeted for anything related to this?

1845
02:47:07.799 --> 02:47:09.177
<v Candace Avalos>Because I keep hearing about this $44 million.

1846
02:47:09.306 --> 02:47:13.216
<v Candace Avalos>I genuinely don't know what that $44 million is, where it is, where it's coming from.

1847
02:47:13.584 --> 02:47:20.308
<v Candace Avalos>So I guess I want to understand explicitly Do you all already feel you have authority based on some money that's budgeted that I'm not aware of?

1848
02:47:22.079 --> 02:47:23.729
<v Donnie Oliveira>Thank you for the question, Councilor Donnie Oliveira.

1849
02:47:23.875 --> 02:47:28.728
<v Donnie Oliveira>We do not have any resources budgeted other than the staff time necessary to potentially do the work.

1850
02:47:29.407 --> 02:47:33.621
<v Donnie Oliveira>So there's not $44 million set aside, there's not a reserve fund, nothing's, nothing's, uh, budgeted.

1851
02:47:34.176 --> 02:47:35.222
<v Candace Avalos>What is the $44 million?

1852
02:47:36.817 --> 02:47:37.093
<v Unidentified speaker>I'll—.

1853
02:47:37.158 --> 02:47:39.674
<v Sarah Schwarz>I think what, uh, Sarah can speak to that.

1854
02:47:39.738 --> 02:47:44.586
<v Donnie Oliveira>It was just a portion of the What was necessary to commit the state dollars.

1855
02:47:44.860 --> 02:47:45.677
<v Donnie Oliveira>Would you want to speak to that?

1856
02:47:46.078 --> 02:47:46.304
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sure.

1857
02:47:46.479 --> 02:47:53.890
<v Sarah Schwarz>So as you may recall, there's a range of costs for the total city-owned venue between $358 and $448 million.

1858
02:47:55.367 --> 02:48:15.715
<v Sarah Schwarz>We were simply trying to establish an initial target, which would be 10% of the $448 million of the city's own venue, for us to begin work towards to show commitment on the city's part and also to give a sign of confidence to other funders that we would like to be in conversation with who are completely on hold until they have any sense that the city might be moving forward.

1859
02:48:16.388 --> 02:48:24.081
<v Candace Avalos>I guess then my question is, do you believe that the city has committed— the way that I heard that is that you believe that the city has already committed 10% of the capital stack.

1860
02:48:24.337 --> 02:48:25.461
<v Candace Avalos>Am I not understanding that right?

1861
02:48:25.621 --> 02:48:27.003
<v Sarah Schwarz>No, no commitments have been made.

1862
02:48:27.692 --> 02:48:33.650
<v Sarah Schwarz>And the reason we put that forward was just as a target to start working for as we're building the capital stack.

1863
02:48:33.730 --> 02:48:36.620
<v Sarah Schwarz>But there's no commitment from the city of any particular number.

1864
02:48:37.165 --> 02:48:46.048
<v Sarah Schwarz>It was just a place to start aiming towards in our conversations when we can get together in the room to begin figuring out the capital stack in the early stages of funding.

1865
02:48:46.399 --> 02:48:57.397
<v Candace Avalos>And it is— is it, I guess, because it's— you're saying it's a place to start from, so are you all— is it your desire that, that, uh, the city be 10%?

1866
02:48:57.862 --> 02:48:59.593
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I just feel like we keep dancing around it.

1867
02:48:59.641 --> 02:49:00.972
<v Candace Avalos>Like, do you want that 10% or not?

1868
02:49:01.068 --> 02:49:02.207
<v Candace Avalos>Is it part of the capital stack?

1869
02:49:02.287 --> 02:49:03.890
<v Candace Avalos>Is it Is it not the capital stack?

1870
02:49:03.954 --> 02:49:06.536
<v Candace Avalos>I guess maybe trying to understand what the capital stack is.

1871
02:49:06.584 --> 02:49:09.037
<v Candace Avalos>Does that include the pre-development or is the capital stack for—.

1872
02:49:09.084 --> 02:49:15.337
<v Unidentified speaker>It's the $44 million subtracted out of the total cost of whatever the project for the city-owned venue would ultimately be.

1873
02:49:16.363 --> 02:49:24.139
<v Candace Avalos>So then is there a scenario, I guess, that, you know, because again, I keep hearing that it's like we have, we want this 10%, that's how I'm hearing it.

1874
02:49:24.316 --> 02:49:34.643
<v Candace Avalos>But is there a scenario where you all, after we do all this, you know, work that you all come back and say, We found a, a billionaire who's going to pay for it all.

1875
02:49:34.899 --> 02:49:37.032
<v Candace Avalos>We found all these other sources of money.

1876
02:49:37.226 --> 02:49:39.520
<v Candace Avalos>We've got foundations, we've got private dollars.

1877
02:49:39.567 --> 02:49:51.148
<v Candace Avalos>Like, I guess I'm trying to understand what your intent is, because if your intent is that I'm going to go look for money for 90% thinking that I'm going to get that 10% from the city, that's what people are concerned about.

1878
02:49:51.197 --> 02:49:55.047
<v Candace Avalos>Because even— we're talking about $400 million, but even $44 million is a lot, right?

1879
02:49:55.254 --> 02:49:55.352
<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

1880
02:49:55.432 --> 02:50:00.950
<v Candace Avalos>And I'm not prepared to give $44 million right now of the city's budget when we're looking at probably another $100 million in a deficit.

1881
02:50:01.351 --> 02:50:13.720
<v Candace Avalos>So that's why I just— I feel like I, I'm getting danced around, and I want to understand what is y'all's intent for what you're looking for from us at this phase, because I keep hearing that there's money that we are supposed to put up, like, for pre-development.

1882
02:50:14.346 --> 02:50:20.282
<v Sarah Schwarz>Total intent is to get in a room and start figuring out what money there may be available and how we put the package together.

1883
02:50:21.021 --> 02:50:28.209
<v Sarah Schwarz>The $44 million was simply a target to start working towards as an initial commitment that would signal that the city is all in on the project.

1884
02:50:28.868 --> 02:50:33.592
<v Sarah Schwarz>But that may not be the number, and when we get in the room, we may have a completely different path.

1885
02:50:34.266 --> 02:50:47.251
<v Sarah Schwarz>When I talk about other funding opportunities, they almost always are going to ask for some sort of match from the city because at this point in time, this is the city's own venue that we would be developing with you as a partner.

1886
02:50:47.828 --> 02:50:50.448
<v Sarah Schwarz>So I don't want to feel like there's any dancing around.

1887
02:50:50.496 --> 02:50:53.757
<v Sarah Schwarz>We would fully expect for the city to potentially fund the entire project.

1888
02:50:53.823 --> 02:50:53.934
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1889
02:50:54.335 --> 02:50:56.021
<v Candace Avalos>Do we think the city will have to do that?

1890
02:50:56.422 --> 02:50:56.662
<v Donnie Oliveira>No.

1891
02:50:57.078 --> 02:50:59.726
<v Unidentified speaker>We think there are a lot of different partnerships that are available.

1892
02:51:00.047 --> 02:51:10.809
<v Unidentified speaker>But again, this resolution is our first chance to have permission to actually speak with the folks who can help us develop that and see what the possibilities are to bring back to you.

1893
02:51:11.340 --> 02:51:15.815
<v Unidentified speaker>And I know there's a long list of questions that you all have in addition to just some of these numbers.

1894
02:51:16.728 --> 02:51:21.189
<v Unidentified speaker>That's what we want to deliver to you in very short order to see if this is a go or a no-go for all of us.

1895
02:51:21.253 --> 02:51:21.397
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1896
02:51:24.109 --> 02:51:26.066
<v Donnie Oliveira>Councilor, we have not committed to any number.

1897
02:51:26.193 --> 02:51:27.284
<v Donnie Oliveira>We haven't had the conversation.

1898
02:51:27.397 --> 02:51:33.461
<v Donnie Oliveira>The 44 came from PSU from sort of a logic train that makes sense, but that isn't something that we've contemplated.

1899
02:51:34.056 --> 02:51:41.259
<v Candace Avalos>And, you know, I'm aware in general about like the concept of like matching and how that shows confidence to people to invest.

1900
02:51:41.338 --> 02:51:42.221
<v Candace Avalos>I get that.

1901
02:51:43.183 --> 02:51:52.765
<v Candace Avalos>But I think where like I'm at is I would much prefer That we not have to, like, I guess that's why I'm like, how are you moving past this point, right?

1902
02:51:52.814 --> 02:51:56.297
<v Candace Avalos>Are you saying we're going to get a match from the city and therefore, right?

1903
02:51:56.361 --> 02:52:03.216
<v Candace Avalos>Because if that's how you're selling it, then that is what feels to us like a commitment that we're making in this, in this phase.

1904
02:52:03.281 --> 02:52:04.933
<v Candace Avalos>And so that's what we're trying to ask about.

1905
02:52:05.352 --> 02:52:05.880
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No sales.

1906
02:52:06.154 --> 02:52:14.228
<v Unidentified speaker>We need to get with the folks in the room and figure out what the possibilities are, and then we would take it to external partners, but only after it's been thoroughly vetted.

1907
02:52:15.520 --> 02:52:26.209
<v Candace Avalos>So there's a scenario where we do all of this and it comes back and we say the city is going to put zero and we're going to find the $440 million from somewhere else.

1908
02:52:26.209 --> 02:52:27.540
<v Candace Avalos>There is a scenario where that happens.

1909
02:52:27.690 --> 02:52:30.889
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I want to figure out what the— I hear that you want the money.

1910
02:52:31.350 --> 02:52:35.059
<v Sarah Schwarz>I want to find that billion-dollar donor too, so let's go do that together.

1911
02:52:35.409 --> 02:52:49.643
<v Sarah Schwarz>Um, I don't think that's where we're going to come back, and I think as long as we continue to say that this is the city's own venue, there will always be an expectation from anyone else who might participate in this project that the city will have some portion of investment into this project.

1912
02:52:49.707 --> 02:52:52.398
<v Sarah Schwarz>But this is the work that we're excited to do.

1913
02:52:52.976 --> 02:52:53.296
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1914
02:52:53.472 --> 02:52:56.165
<v Candace Avalos>Last question, uh, for, uh, City Attorney.

1915
02:52:56.917 --> 02:53:12.746
<v Candace Avalos>What happens if the city— this, now when I say the city, I mean the administration et al.— does move forward with making some financial commitment, even though we are very clearly stating we don't want that, what is council's recourse in that scenario?

1916
02:53:16.356 --> 02:53:38.975
<v Robert Taylor>If, if, for example, the executive takes some action, signs some contract, for example, and council believes that there was not authority for that, then council by resolution could pass Could direct the city attorney to file what's called a validation proceeding.

1917
02:53:39.728 --> 02:53:47.094
<v Robert Taylor>So we would go to court and then put that in front of the judge and have the judge decide whether that contract was executed with authority or not.

1918
02:53:47.174 --> 02:53:49.181
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, well, you obviously hear our intent.

1919
02:53:49.502 --> 02:53:53.546
<v Candace Avalos>I don't, I don't think anybody wants to go down that road, but I had to ask in case we had to.

1920
02:53:53.931 --> 02:53:56.578
<v Candace Avalos>But the goal is that we don't go that road because you don't do that.

1921
02:53:56.674 --> 02:53:57.685
<v Candace Avalos>So that's my intent.

1922
02:53:58.167 --> 02:54:00.286
<v Candace Avalos>I'm with my colleagues and feeling very torn.

1923
02:54:00.671 --> 02:54:10.800
<v Candace Avalos>I did put up all those amendments to try to get myself to yes and Hopefully bring my colleagues along to yes, because in my view, when I was in committee, I was like, seems like this is moving forward, like at that point.

1924
02:54:11.105 --> 02:54:13.513
<v Candace Avalos>And so I was like, what can I do to protect the city?

1925
02:54:13.594 --> 02:54:15.488
<v Candace Avalos>Because I'm seeing the train rolling.

1926
02:54:15.906 --> 02:54:18.587
<v Candace Avalos>And I— that— so that's how I was approaching my amendments.

1927
02:54:18.974 --> 02:54:22.602
<v Candace Avalos>And so that's what I was hoping would provide some comfort.

1928
02:54:22.666 --> 02:54:24.898
<v Candace Avalos>And obviously we've had a dynamic discussion today.

1929
02:54:25.236 --> 02:54:27.691
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm going to wait to hear the final things.

1930
02:54:27.789 --> 02:54:28.977
<v Candace Avalos>Probably going to be a game-time decision.

1931
02:54:29.040 --> 02:54:42.834
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Smith, But I do feel like I, I put some, some protections for the city, and I feel good about those, at least at this state, knowing that the intent is clear and that we're going to have something come back to us before we make, uh, a commitment on dollars.

1932
02:54:42.881 --> 02:54:43.635
<v Candace Avalos>So that's where I'm at.

1933
02:54:43.763 --> 02:54:43.940
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1934
02:54:44.004 --> 02:54:45.254
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1935
02:54:45.351 --> 02:54:47.324
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, there are 5 more colleagues in the queue.

1936
02:54:47.515 --> 02:54:50.788
<v Jamie Dunphy>Again, um, Councilor Clark, then Green, then Kanal.

1937
02:54:51.300 --> 02:54:52.343
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor President.

1938
02:54:52.968 --> 02:54:59.661
<v Olivia Clark>Um, just one little piece of information I believe that the city has put money in already.

1939
02:54:59.806 --> 02:55:02.391
<v Olivia Clark>It came from an old TIF district.

1940
02:55:02.440 --> 02:55:10.597
<v Olivia Clark>I think there's, what, $7 million that was dedicated to this that we haven't talked about at all, but that was a previous council, previous decision.

1941
02:55:10.727 --> 02:55:17.199
<v Olivia Clark>But there, there is a little over $7 million coming from the old South Waterfront TIF district, I believe.

1942
02:55:17.792 --> 02:55:19.703
<v Donnie Oliveira>Correct, Councilor— Vice President, excuse me.

1943
02:55:19.864 --> 02:55:23.851
<v Donnie Oliveira>Um, but that money has, has been sort of amorphous in terms of where it could go.

1944
02:55:24.703 --> 02:55:30.099
<v Donnie Oliveira>It's tentatively placed if this project were to go forward, but there's, again, a lot of work to be done to sort that out.

1945
02:55:30.727 --> 02:55:34.612
<v Donnie Oliveira>I would caution on saying that that's a guaranteed committed resource.

1946
02:55:34.693 --> 02:55:36.308
<v Olivia Clark>Okay, well, I just knew it was hanging out there.

1947
02:55:36.694 --> 02:55:38.986
<v Olivia Clark>I just want to make a couple of comments.

1948
02:55:39.195 --> 02:55:39.325
<v Olivia Clark>I—.

1949
02:55:39.615 --> 02:56:00.219
<v Olivia Clark>And I've already spoken, but when I first saw the plans that the Keller Group came up with, with Michael Curry and with Stew Fish, the redesign, Um, including the, the fountain and the closure of Third, I thought, this is brilliant, this is fantastic, it's wonderful.

1950
02:56:00.828 --> 02:56:09.256
<v Olivia Clark>Um, and I, I've been trying to thread the needle ever since then because I've been very supportive of, um, redoing the Keller.

1951
02:56:10.041 --> 02:56:17.156
<v Olivia Clark>Um, and unfortunately, I, I feel like this has become sort of a Sophie's Choice, and it really shouldn't have been.

1952
02:56:17.413 --> 02:56:19.849
<v Olivia Clark>We should have had a better partnership from the beginning.

1953
02:56:19.913 --> 02:56:21.324
<v Olivia Clark>But now we have the resolution.

1954
02:56:21.980 --> 02:56:30.140
<v Olivia Clark>It's been amended gratefully by, um, Councilor Avalos and myself to include the Keller and to include some sideboards.

1955
02:56:30.429 --> 02:56:40.769
<v Olivia Clark>So it's really, um, to support advancing planning and pre-development, getting information for a potential— and I emphasize potential— Broadway-capable venue.

1956
02:56:41.779 --> 02:56:44.504
<v Olivia Clark>Um, just want to make that really clear.

1957
02:56:44.584 --> 02:56:44.777
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

1958
02:56:45.389 --> 02:57:01.032
<v Olivia Clark>You know, upon reflection, it's been hard for me because I've been sort of the person who talks the most about taking care of what we have, our asset management, and we have not taken care of the Keller, and it wouldn't cost that much to really make it a better facility.

1959
02:57:01.561 --> 02:57:05.218
<v Olivia Clark>We can still do that as we've amended this resolution.

1960
02:57:05.829 --> 02:57:09.342
<v Olivia Clark>But I don't really understand why we have to have a resolution to answer all these questions.

1961
02:57:09.389 --> 02:57:09.841
<v Olivia Clark>Unfortunately, we do.

1962
02:57:09.922 --> 02:57:20.766
<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Smith, I think you're Unfortunately, but I appreciate that it helps PSU obtain the legislative commitment, continue their philanthropic activity.

1963
02:57:21.825 --> 02:57:22.498
<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate that.

1964
02:57:22.578 --> 02:57:23.364
<v Olivia Clark>I support that.

1965
02:57:23.445 --> 02:57:24.216
<v Olivia Clark>I respect that.

1966
02:57:25.226 --> 02:57:33.808
<v Olivia Clark>If only I could channel Bill Naito, and I think that he would say, let's do both, as somebody mentioned earlier.

1967
02:57:34.674 --> 02:57:48.183
<v Olivia Clark>But having amended the resolution, Um, and having Candace, um, or Councilor Avalos's amendments, I, I think it's okay to investigate the options because we have sideboards, we have protections.

1968
02:57:48.231 --> 02:58:01.630
<v Olivia Clark>However, I will predict that we will be here in December with the answers to our questions, um, but, um, about the city's potential obligations, but the material circumstances are not going to be different.

1969
02:58:02.209 --> 02:58:03.511
<v Olivia Clark>We're looking at money for the MOTA.

1970
02:58:03.575 --> 02:58:03.622
<v Keelan McClymont>Yes.

1971
02:58:04.263 --> 02:58:06.484
<v Olivia Clark>We're looking at new management for P5.

1972
02:58:07.063 --> 02:58:11.019
<v Olivia Clark>We'll be staring down a potential $100 million budget deficit.

1973
02:58:11.979 --> 02:58:16.226
<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Murillo actually mentioned the Providence Park upgrades that need to be made.

1974
02:58:18.471 --> 02:58:25.564
<v Olivia Clark>So I think we're going to be back right in the same place that we are, but we'll have more information, and that's not a bad thing.

1975
02:58:27.689 --> 02:58:41.566
<v Olivia Clark>So at the same time, I think I agree with Councilor Ryan, that I hesitate to think what the Portland taxpayers are going to think about this right now, further obligating the potential obligation of city funds.

1976
02:58:42.643 --> 02:58:48.536
<v Olivia Clark>So I'm uncomfortable with this situation, but I'm trying to thread the needle.

1977
02:58:48.600 --> 02:58:53.191
<v Olivia Clark>I've been trying to thread the needle from the very beginning, so I'm going to be in support of the resolution.

1978
02:58:53.385 --> 02:58:55.247
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1979
02:58:55.407 --> 02:58:57.888
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilors Green, Kanal, Smith, and Ryan.

1980
02:58:58.595 --> 02:58:59.138
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Green.

1981
02:59:00.860 --> 02:59:01.765
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

1982
02:59:01.846 --> 02:59:09.485
<v Mitch Green>And I know that this has gone on far longer than you, you want, um, and, uh, in that spirit, I'll try to be brief.

1983
02:59:11.698 --> 02:59:22.895
<v Mitch Green>Um, when we went through the MOTU conversations, um, I heard from my District 2 colleagues a deep fear and anxiety of a neighborhood going dark.

1984
02:59:23.797 --> 02:59:33.338
<v Mitch Green>Of a venue becoming vacant and sort of the impact, the local, hyper-localized impact of that in the Keller.

1985
02:59:34.541 --> 02:59:37.924
<v Mitch Green>And so I kind of hold that here at the same time in the same kind of way.

1986
02:59:38.871 --> 02:59:44.451
<v Mitch Green>And I think that's where a lot of my apprehension comes from by sort of trying to greenlight this resolution.

1987
02:59:45.301 --> 02:59:48.524
<v Mitch Green>DCA Oliveira, you said something that was very poignant though, and I really appreciate it.

1988
02:59:48.574 --> 02:59:57.521
<v Mitch Green>And I want to make sure everyone caught it, which was you didn't feel like you could go out and do these negotiations unless you knew that City Council could support that.

1989
02:59:57.568 --> 02:59:59.449
<v Mitch Green>And I actually think that's a strong signal.

1990
02:59:59.737 --> 03:00:06.985
<v Mitch Green>That's— I want to validate that signal because I want— for something of this magnitude, I want you to come to Council and ask how we should proceed.

1991
03:00:07.065 --> 03:00:10.245
<v Mitch Green>That's, that's how we bring the democracy into the building.

1992
03:00:11.338 --> 03:00:12.703
<v Mitch Green>So I didn't want that to get lost.

1993
03:00:13.395 --> 03:00:17.183
<v Mitch Green>And so there's been a pretty rich conversation here over the last hour almost.

1994
03:00:17.425 --> 03:00:32.247
<v Mitch Green>Um, I, I already raised concerns about, um, process and how, how one decision leads to another, and then pretty soon your cost centers have grown in the City of Portland.

1995
03:00:32.504 --> 03:00:38.591
<v Mitch Green>And that's, that's on the record, and we have to deal with that, and we have to address that.

1996
03:00:38.783 --> 03:00:50.826
<v Mitch Green>And I think, um, Councilor Clark, you made some points just a moment ago about, um, We've already amended this piece to provide some very firm guardrails and some sideboards into it.

1997
03:00:51.565 --> 03:00:57.664
<v Mitch Green>And you're right, in a couple months, we're probably going to have the same conversation and be presented with the same material conditions.

1998
03:00:58.546 --> 03:01:01.162
<v Mitch Green>But maybe we'll have more information on the asset management plan by then.

1999
03:01:01.514 --> 03:01:09.652
<v Mitch Green>And maybe we'll be able to contextualize this stuff and contemplate asking voters whether they want to have a say in how to fund this.

2000
03:01:09.700 --> 03:01:09.941
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

2001
03:01:10.229 --> 03:01:10.310
<v Dan Ryan>This.

2002
03:01:10.667 --> 03:01:18.798
<v Mitch Green>Because I think what we've found when we poll them is if we can point to very clear benefits, they're much more supportive of saying yes to things.

2003
03:01:18.943 --> 03:01:22.519
<v Mitch Green>But they don't trust us to necessarily steward their funds right now.

2004
03:01:22.584 --> 03:01:27.915
<v Mitch Green>And so this messy conversation is part of earning that trust back to steward those funds.

2005
03:01:30.948 --> 03:01:38.027
<v Mitch Green>It's also not lost on me that right now as we speak, I think SEIU 503 members are having a rally at Portland Portland State University over a contract.

2006
03:01:38.575 --> 03:01:50.037
<v Mitch Green>And, you know, so in the context of workers and labor standards, you know, taking a decision on this without naming that is something that we must do.

2007
03:01:51.629 --> 03:02:02.556
<v Mitch Green>I also heard from some workers who have pinched nerves because they— the work that they experience as stagehands is dangerous.

2008
03:02:03.038 --> 03:02:03.567
<v Mitch Green>It's onerous.

2009
03:02:04.450 --> 03:02:05.444
<v Mitch Green>And so I'm holding a lot here.

2010
03:02:06.230 --> 03:02:19.643
<v Mitch Green>And I think that Councilor Kanal, you had sort of really broached, got us down this path where we laid into the record the chief concerns about this balance between executive purview and council intent.

2011
03:02:19.707 --> 03:02:24.005
<v Mitch Green>And so I think in the context of that, I'm in a place now where I can support this resolution.

2012
03:02:25.176 --> 03:02:25.931
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

2013
03:02:26.429 --> 03:02:29.816
<v Jamie Dunphy>Last 3 colleagues, we have Councilor Kanal, then Councilor Smith, Councilor Smith and Councilor Ryan.

2014
03:02:29.913 --> 03:02:30.334
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

2015
03:02:30.804 --> 03:02:31.144
<v David Dysart>Thanks.

2016
03:02:31.370 --> 03:02:37.021
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I actually have questions for both of our folks here, but also Jonas, uh, our CFO, uh, Biery.

2017
03:02:37.684 --> 03:02:46.477
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we had this conversation, uh, Robert Taylor mentioned that, um, contracts are okay if they're within the, the, the scope of what money is budgeted.

2018
03:02:48.275 --> 03:02:51.328
<v Sameer Kanal>Is any money budgeted right now definitively?

2019
03:02:51.522 --> 03:02:52.912
<v Sameer Kanal>And I don't just mean $44 million.

2020
03:02:53.218 --> 03:03:00.763
<v Sameer Kanal>Is, is one penny Councilor, um, I'll—.

2021
03:03:00.876 --> 03:03:02.158
<v Jonas Biery>My understanding is no.

2022
03:03:02.384 --> 03:03:05.061
<v Jonas Biery>I can't answer whether there's any operational dollars.

2023
03:03:05.110 --> 03:03:15.709
<v Jonas Biery>I believe DC Oliveira mentioned there is some staff resources to accommodate this work, but to my understanding, there's no, um, capital or project dollars that are committed specifically to this project.

2024
03:03:16.656 --> 03:03:22.691
<v Donnie Oliveira>With the caveat of a TIF action plan for the South Waterfront, which is a potential use But there's still steps to realize that.

2025
03:03:23.075 --> 03:03:24.378
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, thank you for clarifying that.

2026
03:03:24.441 --> 03:03:26.611
<v Sameer Kanal>I know Council Vice President Clark mentioned that as well.

2027
03:03:27.913 --> 03:03:46.230
<v Sameer Kanal>Given that, to Robert, would it be legal if a member of the administration committed to anything beyond staff resources or the TIF dollars based on the answers we just got?

2028
03:03:47.338 --> 03:03:51.945
<v Robert Taylor>I mean, it would depend on what they wanted to do.

2029
03:03:52.091 --> 03:03:57.308
<v Robert Taylor>So for example, you could execute a contract that says all of this is subject to council approval.

2030
03:03:58.031 --> 03:03:59.924
<v Robert Taylor>The funding would be subject to council approval.

2031
03:04:00.358 --> 03:04:06.667
<v Robert Taylor>That would be a contract that could be entered, but it would still preserve your council's ability to make the funding decision.

2032
03:04:07.679 --> 03:04:17.977
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, can I ask, would, if that were to happen, the example you gave, Would it have to be explicitly mentioned in the budget to do that?

2033
03:04:18.665 --> 03:04:27.511
<v Sameer Kanal>Because I've noticed that there are things which are in documentation that does not end up in the budget that comes to us for a vote.

2034
03:04:27.782 --> 03:04:29.865
<v Sameer Kanal>So we get these like A through J exhibits, right?

2035
03:04:30.411 --> 03:04:36.869
<v Sameer Kanal>And then there's questions that we ask that are dug into in spreadsheets that exist elsewhere.

2036
03:04:38.022 --> 03:05:00.161
<v Sameer Kanal>So is it possible that a contract with that caveat was put into place, and then a budget that doesn't include that was given to us for, uh, proposed to us by the mayor, voted on and approved by the council, and then later we find out that it wasn't in these documents, it was in these other documents that are not on the council item, that there was money budgeted towards this?

2037
03:05:00.818 --> 03:05:16.557
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, I mean, it's— I think you're asking a question about the The budget process that we go through and the contracting authority based on what's in the budget.

2038
03:05:16.605 --> 03:05:33.361
<v Robert Taylor>I think that's a much broader conversation, and I'm hesitant to give you a broad legal response to that broad hypothetical here, but I'd be happy to engage in more conversation with you about that.

2039
03:05:33.411 --> 03:05:33.574
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

2040
03:05:34.254 --> 03:05:43.778
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, and I would love to just to put on the record the concern is that we effectively have unitary executive theory here where if it's not explicitly banned, it's just happening.

2041
03:05:44.355 --> 03:05:49.078
<v Sameer Kanal>The tennis center is the most egregious of these things, but that's, that's my concern.

2042
03:05:49.495 --> 03:05:56.193
<v Sameer Kanal>And I brought this up in several budget meetings and been told it's not actually a big deal that there's things that aren't in the budget that you're voting on.

2043
03:05:56.242 --> 03:05:58.602
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I think that's a, a pretty big deal in my opinion.

2044
03:05:59.293 --> 03:06:06.135
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, There was a comment that you made, DC Oliveira, about evaluating if there's money available.

2045
03:06:06.778 --> 03:06:07.981
<v Sameer Kanal>We just went through this with Moda.

2046
03:06:08.448 --> 03:06:10.102
<v Sameer Kanal>Who decides if there's money available?

2047
03:06:10.230 --> 03:06:20.815
<v Sameer Kanal>Because it appears to me, looking at that one, that the $120 million— that all these dollar amounts were basically 3 executives sitting in a room and saying, what, what is— what do I think I can get out of my, my legislature?

2048
03:06:21.618 --> 03:06:23.529
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and that wasn't 100%.

2049
03:06:24.027 --> 03:06:26.147
<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, at least the governor at least talked to the legislature about it first.

2050
03:06:26.210 --> 03:06:26.259
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah.

2051
03:06:26.515 --> 03:06:29.115
<v Sameer Kanal>But the county chair does not appear to have.

2052
03:06:29.180 --> 03:06:29.565
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know.

2053
03:06:30.143 --> 03:06:30.960
<v Sameer Kanal>Mayor certainly didn't.

2054
03:06:31.025 --> 03:06:34.684
<v Sameer Kanal>So who's deciding if it's available in this back room that we're authorizing?

2055
03:06:35.102 --> 03:06:37.798
<v Donnie Oliveira>Yeah, thanks for the opportunity to clarify that, Councilor.

2056
03:06:37.845 --> 03:06:49.336
<v Donnie Oliveira>What I was trying to speak to is sitting down with PSU, evaluating the capital stack and the options, and seeing what, you know, what amount the city would need to contribute, whatever that number may be.

2057
03:06:50.027 --> 03:07:04.356
<v Donnie Oliveira>Um, but going back to the— what the language is in the resolution, Surely working with CFO and his team, we'd have to contemplate options, but I don't think we're going to be deciding what resources are going to this until we even understand what the city contribution might even need to be.

2058
03:07:04.950 --> 03:07:13.952
<v Donnie Oliveira>We might, we might get to the, um, the table with PSU and to Councilor Avalos's, uh, concept, we found somebody to fund the whole thing, so the city contribution is zero.

2059
03:07:14.273 --> 03:07:14.674
<v Donnie Oliveira>That's great.

2060
03:07:15.300 --> 03:07:21.703
<v Donnie Oliveira>Or we have a scenario where it's, it's the full $440,000, and we come back to you all like, hey, we have to find $440 million.

2061
03:07:22.619 --> 03:07:23.358
<v Donnie Oliveira>This is what it looks like.

2062
03:07:23.406 --> 03:07:25.734
<v Donnie Oliveira>That seems like an easy no for you all.

2063
03:07:26.551 --> 03:07:30.903
<v Donnie Oliveira>Within that process, we're absolutely going to be working with our finance team about scenarios.

2064
03:07:31.031 --> 03:07:31.657
<v Donnie Oliveira>Is it bonding?

2065
03:07:31.754 --> 03:07:33.295
<v Donnie Oliveira>Is it whatever it may be, right?

2066
03:07:33.841 --> 03:07:38.143
<v Donnie Oliveira>Um, that's— it's premature for me to even speculate because we haven't actually sat down yet.

2067
03:07:38.513 --> 03:07:46.636
<v Donnie Oliveira>But I think what you're getting at, if I can just be more explicit, is I don't think it's our decision to decide what the funding source is on this particular case.

2068
03:07:46.700 --> 03:07:53.620
<v Donnie Oliveira>I think We're going to be coming to you with the range of options, ideally with a target that is reasonable.

2069
03:07:53.828 --> 03:08:01.039
<v Donnie Oliveira>Because there's a scenario where we even— we don't come back on December 1st because we couldn't get to a number that we think would reasonably deliver on.

2070
03:08:01.327 --> 03:08:01.825
<v Donnie Oliveira>Does that make sense?

2071
03:08:02.500 --> 03:08:03.559
<v Donnie Oliveira>That's a real possibility.

2072
03:08:03.880 --> 03:08:10.897
<v Donnie Oliveira>Maybe my colleagues at PSU are kind of cringing at that, but there's a scenario where there's a December 1st discussion about how we couldn't get to a deal.

2073
03:08:11.587 --> 03:08:11.957
<v Mitch Green>That's feasible.

2074
03:08:12.134 --> 03:08:12.406
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

2075
03:08:13.806 --> 03:08:19.656
<v Robert Taylor>And if I can just respond to the unitary executive comment.

2076
03:08:20.595 --> 03:08:32.186
<v Robert Taylor>I do think, you know, we're 2 years into this almost, and I do think that it— I do think many of you have noted the tension between the legislative and the executive.

2077
03:08:33.253 --> 03:08:35.094
<v Robert Taylor>I do think that that's a real tension.

2078
03:08:35.191 --> 03:08:39.376
<v Robert Taylor>I do think that that's something that we need to continue to work on as a city.

2079
03:08:39.441 --> 03:08:39.585
<v Robert Taylor>Thank you.

2080
03:08:40.540 --> 03:08:50.323
<v Robert Taylor>Um, and I think it's important to note that by charter we have a divided government.

2081
03:08:50.420 --> 03:08:58.371
<v Robert Taylor>There's a legislative body and there is an executive body, and they are given separate authorities.

2082
03:08:59.213 --> 03:09:04.447
<v Robert Taylor>Under the old form of government, every contract would have to come back to council for approval, or most of them would.

2083
03:09:05.127 --> 03:09:16.620
<v Robert Taylor>And, and The, the charter, by, by its terms, says we don't do that anymore, that the mayor can execute contracts as long as it's consistent with the budget.

2084
03:09:17.551 --> 03:09:19.656
<v Robert Taylor>So that was a choice that the voters made.

2085
03:09:20.444 --> 03:09:25.085
<v Robert Taylor>The voters also made that choice to have a divided legislative and executive branch.

2086
03:09:26.095 --> 03:09:30.788
<v Robert Taylor>We, we don't have a, a council-manager form of government.

2087
03:09:31.796 --> 03:09:31.988
<v Donnie Oliveira>Right.

2088
03:09:32.212 --> 03:09:33.110
<v Robert Taylor>We do not have that.

2089
03:09:33.735 --> 03:09:35.513
<v Robert Taylor>We have a divided form of government.

2090
03:09:36.058 --> 03:09:37.227
<v Robert Taylor>And so I think that's important.

2091
03:09:37.740 --> 03:09:48.683
<v Robert Taylor>Now, I think the other piece of this is we have a long history here at the city of doing what's called bulk appropriations, where the budget decisions are made at a very, very high level.

2092
03:09:49.756 --> 03:09:55.253
<v Robert Taylor>And then that gives the executive a lot more discretion about making those spending decisions.

2093
03:09:56.246 --> 03:09:59.738
<v Robert Taylor>And that's something we've gone through a couple of times in the budget process.

2094
03:10:00.333 --> 03:10:12.460
<v Robert Taylor>There are ways for this council, using their budget authority, to be more restrictive and specific about how you make spending decisions within a bulk appropriation context.

2095
03:10:13.311 --> 03:10:24.461
<v Robert Taylor>You can also, if we decide to, we could go to a line item budget where council makes individual spending decisions and then the executive is bound by that.

2096
03:10:25.039 --> 03:10:25.825
<v Robert Taylor>So there, there are— I think that's a good idea.

2097
03:10:26.653 --> 03:10:36.637
<v Robert Taylor>There are ways to change both the budget process and honor the division and separation of powers in our charter.

2098
03:10:37.752 --> 03:10:37.994
<v Steve Novick>Thanks.

2099
03:10:38.253 --> 03:10:41.501
<v Sameer Kanal>My last question, I guess it's for all 3.

2100
03:10:41.854 --> 03:10:51.361
<v Sameer Kanal>To the best of your knowledge, has it ever been asked about by anybody, suggested, floated, any reference to Portland Clean Energy funds being used for this?

2101
03:10:53.924 --> 03:11:06.810
<v Donnie Oliveira>Uh, in the original RFP that went out in 2023, my staff can correct the exact date, the projects were, um, asked to kind of contemplate capital stacks.

2102
03:11:06.875 --> 03:11:13.756
<v Donnie Oliveira>And I think in a couple, Clean Energy Fund was just noted as a possibility, but this was like a, you know, dream, you know, dream casting.

2103
03:11:14.015 --> 03:11:15.456
<v Donnie Oliveira>They were just like, you know, ideating.

2104
03:11:15.634 --> 03:11:16.556
<v Donnie Oliveira>There was no commitment to that.

2105
03:11:16.637 --> 03:11:17.074
<v Donnie Oliveira>It was just sort of how might it look.

2106
03:11:17.122 --> 03:11:17.495
<v Donnie Oliveira>Yeah, I think that's a good point.

2107
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<v Donnie Oliveira>So you might find some reference to it in some of the proposals going back, you know, a couple years ago, a few years ago at this point.

2108
03:11:25.101 --> 03:11:25.939
<v Donnie Oliveira>Wow, 2026.

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03:11:26.583 --> 03:11:28.227
<v Jamie Dunphy>Anything else subsequent to that?

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03:11:28.340 --> 03:11:31.675
<v Donnie Oliveira>To the best of my knowledge, that's the, that's the last time I can think about it coming up.

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<v Jonas Biery>Councilor, I'll just acknowledge as well, I think you're looking at me for an answer as well, if I'm reading the room.

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03:11:38.352 --> 03:11:39.239
<v Jonas Biery>Uh, uh, thank you.

2113
03:11:39.805 --> 03:11:41.595
<v Jonas Biery>Um, to my awareness, uh, no.

2114
03:11:41.676 --> 03:11:44.515
<v Jonas Biery>But as was mentioned earlier, I'm not involved in the details of this.

2115
03:11:45.346 --> 03:11:58.731
<v Jonas Biery>I do wanna acknowledge in response to your question and the City Attorney's response, just to be very clear for the public that the administration cannot spend dollars that are not appropriated in the budget and authorized by Council.

2116
03:11:59.228 --> 03:12:05.864
<v Jonas Biery>So I wanna be very clear for anybody who's paying attention that we follow state budget law, we follow the state charter.

2117
03:12:06.442 --> 03:12:12.807
<v Jonas Biery>I appreciate, and as the City Attorney acknowledged, there's probably differences of thought about the level of gradient detail.

2118
03:12:12.934 --> 03:12:13.352
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah.

2119
03:12:13.479 --> 03:12:22.736
<v Jonas Biery>Also just acknowledge we're having a work session tomorrow afternoon in this room to talk about budget process improvements, and I would welcome that conversation as part of that work session tomorrow.

2120
03:12:22.799 --> 03:12:23.184
<v Jonas Biery>Thank you.

2121
03:12:24.388 --> 03:12:24.645
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

2122
03:12:24.790 --> 03:12:26.058
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate all those answers.

2123
03:12:27.052 --> 03:12:44.775
<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to say I'm looking forward to having the conversation in a few years about Providence Park, since that was referenced by Councilor Murillo as well, and that I'll be a no on this today, but I look forward to being a yes on this if we get something good back in December.

2124
03:12:44.855 --> 03:12:45.356
<v Steve Novick>Thanks.

2125
03:12:47.536 --> 03:12:48.262
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2126
03:12:48.343 --> 03:12:51.055
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, programming note, it is currently 12:40.

2127
03:12:51.167 --> 03:13:01.841
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are, uh, extending this meeting until 1:30 to try and get through as much as we can do it, but we still have the Zenith item first reading and 5 foreclosure items to try and get through.

2128
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<v Jamie Dunphy>I imagine we will not get through all of that today, so I am limiting debate in the queue right now.

2129
03:13:07.115 --> 03:13:11.217
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Koyama Lane will be the final person to, uh, speak on this item, and then we'll move to a vote.

2130
03:13:11.575 --> 03:13:13.733
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith, Councilor Smith, then Ryan, then Koyama Lane.

2131
03:13:13.861 --> 03:13:14.326
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

2132
03:13:14.825 --> 03:13:15.869
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

2133
03:13:15.965 --> 03:13:18.934
<v Loretta Smith>I just want to remind you all that experience does matter.

2134
03:13:19.561 --> 03:13:32.600
<v Loretta Smith>I put an amendment to the budget for the '25-'26 year asking that my councilors approve an amendment that would have all contracts come before council that are over $50,000.

2135
03:13:33.531 --> 03:13:37.449
<v Loretta Smith>And since we did not have— the mayor breaks the, the tie rule.

2136
03:13:38.064 --> 03:13:38.795
<v Loretta Smith>It didn't pass.

2137
03:13:41.889 --> 03:13:46.468
<v Loretta Smith>So we're coming back today and constantly saying the administration is doing this and that.

2138
03:13:46.532 --> 03:13:50.545
<v Loretta Smith>Well, it's in the, it's in the, the, uh, charter that the mayor can.

2139
03:13:50.738 --> 03:13:58.918
<v Loretta Smith>He can actually go into a budget that's already been approved and rearrange them and say this is not what the priority is, and he can use those funds.

2140
03:14:00.602 --> 03:14:04.488
<v Loretta Smith>And so for me, it's, it's kind of like a moot point.

2141
03:14:04.585 --> 03:14:10.115
<v Loretta Smith>We can't have one, one, um, we can't have our cake and eat it too.

2142
03:14:11.959 --> 03:14:18.233
<v Loretta Smith>You want to, you want to look at everything, but you don't want to go through the process to, to make sure that we can look at everything.

2143
03:14:18.298 --> 03:14:28.323
<v Loretta Smith>So I would, um, encourage and urge, because I'm not doing it again, um, and we'll have a 6-6 vote again, and then the mayor will break the tie, and then everyone will be all upset again.

2144
03:14:28.871 --> 03:14:39.542
<v Loretta Smith>So So I think that we need to get the information, make sure that we know what's coming forward, what the possibility is.

2145
03:14:40.527 --> 03:14:56.693
<v Loretta Smith>I would like to actually change the date because if we don't have those numbers or an approved term sheet for Moda Center, we're going to, we're going to be up A creek.

2146
03:14:57.078 --> 03:14:58.393
<v Loretta Smith>That's all I want to say about that.

2147
03:14:58.441 --> 03:15:04.657
<v Loretta Smith>We're going to be up the creek because I, I don't see how we come out with that and we don't have an approved term sheet.

2148
03:15:05.827 --> 03:15:08.216
<v Loretta Smith>Because where, where, where is the money coming from?

2149
03:15:08.936 --> 03:15:25.065
<v Loretta Smith>And the longer that we keep debating this point about the money and where it's coming from, we all— I think I took a consensus, um, Councilor Novick, of the, of the council And I think we are all concerned about where those dollars are coming from.

2150
03:15:26.254 --> 03:15:31.215
<v Loretta Smith>And so just remember, um, votes have consequences.

2151
03:15:31.953 --> 03:15:36.192
<v Loretta Smith>We can go back and redo some things, and we can have everything come before us, and we can just change this.

2152
03:15:37.012 --> 03:15:45.698
<v Loretta Smith>Um, or we can approve this today, wait to see what the capital stack looks like, and say this is something that we can do.

2153
03:15:45.923 --> 03:15:46.147
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

2154
03:15:46.405 --> 03:15:46.565
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

2155
03:15:47.447 --> 03:15:48.152
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

2156
03:15:48.343 --> 03:15:50.667
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan and then, uh, Koyama Lane.

2157
03:15:50.747 --> 03:15:51.197
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

2158
03:15:51.372 --> 03:15:52.334
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

2159
03:15:52.430 --> 03:16:03.343
<v Dan Ryan>Just a couple level-setting questions since we're here, um, and that is, please, please confirm that Portland State University owns the property that we're discussing of the site of this performance hall.

2160
03:16:03.407 --> 03:16:03.871
<v Donnie Oliveira>That is correct.

2161
03:16:03.951 --> 03:16:04.656
<v Dan Ryan>That's correct.

2162
03:16:04.770 --> 03:16:05.090
<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

2163
03:16:05.795 --> 03:16:12.364
<v Dan Ryan>And the scenarios that I think are making people feel better to vote on this is that we won't be responsible for any, uh, money to build this.

2164
03:16:13.022 --> 03:16:16.676
<v Dan Ryan>I agree with you, Sarah, that of course you want 10% from your public partner.

2165
03:16:17.099 --> 03:16:20.558
<v Dan Ryan>That's what a person in your role would say, and I appreciate your honesty.

2166
03:16:21.350 --> 03:16:32.148
<v Dan Ryan>So, but if the scenario comes to fruition that we're not in it for even a penny, um, does that mean that wouldn't PSU then own the building?

2167
03:16:33.775 --> 03:16:35.789
<v Sarah Schwarz>Well, I think that's a decision tree for another day.

2168
03:16:35.966 --> 03:16:44.775
<v Sarah Schwarz>I would really love for us just to give a good run Figuring out what the path forward in partnership with the city could look like following this resolution, and then come back to you, Councilor Waring.

2169
03:16:44.855 --> 03:16:46.703
<v Dan Ryan>We just have to surface reality now and then.

2170
03:16:46.799 --> 03:16:56.825
<v Dan Ryan>So if in fact we're in this agreement and we provide zero to your capital stack, I predict that you would want to maybe own the building.

2171
03:16:57.340 --> 03:16:58.673
<v Dan Ryan>I don't know, I'm just saying.

2172
03:16:59.106 --> 03:17:01.822
<v Dan Ryan>And at least we won't be responsible for the deferred maintenance.

2173
03:17:02.304 --> 03:17:04.939
<v Dan Ryan>But, um, I just had to make sure we daylighted that reality.

2174
03:17:05.676 --> 03:17:07.311
<v Dan Ryan>And that's all.

2175
03:17:07.841 --> 03:17:12.010
<v Dan Ryan>And we did have conversations for history's sake about peace epiphany for Keller.

2176
03:17:12.105 --> 03:17:12.890
<v Dan Ryan>Why Keller?

2177
03:17:13.211 --> 03:17:14.879
<v Dan Ryan>Because it's a full restoration.

2178
03:17:15.697 --> 03:17:22.093
<v Dan Ryan>And the people on the committee at that time signaled that's preferred than new— over new construction.

2179
03:17:22.751 --> 03:17:23.408
<v Dan Ryan>Okay, thanks.

2180
03:17:23.488 --> 03:17:24.129
<v Dan Ryan>Wanted to give you that.

2181
03:17:24.514 --> 03:17:28.299
<v Dan Ryan>And we were ready to make a decision, but elections got in the way, if you will.

2182
03:17:28.442 --> 03:17:29.245
<v Dan Ryan>Just thought I'd tell you that.

2183
03:17:29.356 --> 03:17:31.938
<v Dan Ryan>So we ended up extending this.

2184
03:17:32.147 --> 03:17:38.164
<v Dan Ryan>There were 2 outstanding candidates, one that was involved A few years before PSU, and then it opened up to include PSU.

2185
03:17:38.405 --> 03:17:48.809
<v Dan Ryan>That's probably why I like to mention the Halperin folks, because they've been working on this, developing their own capital stack to do a full restoration of the Keller in a core part of our downtown.

2186
03:17:49.404 --> 03:17:49.820
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

2187
03:17:50.608 --> 03:17:51.281
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

2188
03:17:51.329 --> 03:17:52.583
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Cleomalean, last word.

2189
03:17:52.920 --> 03:17:53.963
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Council President.

2190
03:17:54.300 --> 03:17:56.244
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I appreciate the conversations being had.

2191
03:17:56.308 --> 03:18:00.846
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I appreciate the work that was done in committee and the amendments that Councilor Avalos brought.

2192
03:18:01.252 --> 03:18:05.231
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I know there's been work on this, and I love PSU.

2193
03:18:05.458 --> 03:18:06.235
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I love the arts.

2194
03:18:06.347 --> 03:18:12.262
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm very supportive, and I am leaning no on this.

2195
03:18:12.552 --> 03:18:18.659
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And there are many different things that my colleagues have brought up that are reasons for that.

2196
03:18:18.756 --> 03:18:34.056
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And one of them also is I just left for a little bit to go to PSU campus to I'm going to need to speak to SEIU 501 classified staff who are getting ready to strike for fair wages and job security and dignity on the job.

2197
03:18:34.618 --> 03:18:36.337
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>They are the classified staff at PSU.

2198
03:18:36.466 --> 03:18:46.668
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so when they're not getting those needs met from administration, I'm going to need to have some questions answered before it's feeling like there's space to be doing extra.

2199
03:18:47.551 --> 03:18:51.954
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So at this point, I'm a no and look forward to further conversations that might happen.

2200
03:18:52.003 --> 03:18:52.114
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2201
03:18:53.345 --> 03:18:54.386
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2202
03:18:55.718 --> 03:18:58.286
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the roll on the resolution?

2203
03:19:01.552 --> 03:19:04.368
<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-270.

2204
03:19:04.529 --> 03:19:05.059
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

2205
03:19:05.494 --> 03:19:05.638
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>No.

2206
03:19:06.700 --> 03:19:07.069
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

2207
03:19:08.936 --> 03:19:09.195
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

2208
03:19:10.166 --> 03:19:10.570
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

2209
03:19:11.443 --> 03:19:11.493
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2210
03:19:12.253 --> 03:19:12.593
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

2211
03:19:13.061 --> 03:19:13.110
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2212
03:19:13.806 --> 03:19:13.822
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2213
03:19:16.297 --> 03:19:16.344
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

2214
03:19:19.270 --> 03:19:19.318
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

2215
03:19:26.148 --> 03:19:26.198
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

2216
03:19:30.584 --> 03:19:30.631
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2217
03:19:33.174 --> 03:19:36.097
<v Jamie Dunphy>Regrettably, no.

2218
03:19:36.792 --> 03:19:36.842
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2219
03:19:37.618 --> 03:19:38.167
<v Dan Ryan>No.

2220
03:19:39.784 --> 03:19:39.834
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

2221
03:19:40.933 --> 03:19:44.661
<v Keelan McClymont>The resolution is adopted with a vote of 8 ayes and 4 nays.

2222
03:19:44.956 --> 03:19:46.666
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2223
03:19:46.988 --> 03:19:52.587
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 14, document 2026-263?

2224
03:19:54.087 --> 03:20:05.912
<v Keelan McClymont>Consent to franchise transfer from Zenith Energy Terminal Holdings LLC to ISQ Springer Holdings LLC, amend ordinance 188554.

2225
03:20:07.201 --> 03:20:09.653
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we continue this as a first reading.

2226
03:20:09.926 --> 03:20:16.102
<v Jamie Dunphy>We heard public testimony and began public discu— or council discussion of the Green-Murillo 1 amendment.

2227
03:20:16.166 --> 03:20:19.331
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are still in that motion at this time.

2228
03:20:19.396 --> 03:20:24.746
<v Jamie Dunphy>I want to extend the courtesy to Councilor Green to give us any updates of where we are.

2229
03:20:24.908 --> 03:20:29.995
<v Mitch Green>I'm actually going to pass that to Councilor Murillo, who's going to pick us up where we left off.

2230
03:20:30.144 --> 03:20:30.557
<v Jamie Dunphy>Perfect.

2231
03:20:30.738 --> 03:20:31.581
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo, please go ahead.

2232
03:20:33.387 --> 03:20:36.129
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you all, and thanks for your patience over this discussion.

2233
03:20:36.390 --> 03:20:38.007
<v Angelita Morillo>I think it's something that's really important to the public.

2234
03:20:39.826 --> 03:20:46.679
<v Angelita Morillo>We brought forward an amendment, so I'm just going to sort of level set some of the things that had been said last week so that we can remember where we are.

2235
03:20:47.530 --> 03:20:54.847
<v Angelita Morillo>So our amendment allows us to bring a citizen suit, and last week we heard that citizen suits can't enforce city contracts.

2236
03:20:55.538 --> 03:21:04.477
<v Angelita Morillo>Our citizen suit provision uses one of the oldest tools in contract law, which is naming a third-party beneficiary here who's going to be the public who can enforce the agreement.

2237
03:21:04.524 --> 03:21:04.637
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

2238
03:21:05.327 --> 03:21:07.271
<v Angelita Morillo>And private parties do this every single day.

2239
03:21:07.897 --> 03:21:19.445
<v Angelita Morillo>Courts have called citizens the principal beneficiaries of city franchises for decades and have allowed them to enforce contracts between a government and franchisee when there is intent for that to occur, as our amendment proposes.

2240
03:21:19.879 --> 03:21:27.316
<v Angelita Morillo>In fact, courts have held that the company operating under a franchise takes on duties to the public beyond an ordinary contract.

2241
03:21:27.670 --> 03:21:30.288
<v Angelita Morillo>A franchise is exactly where public enforcement belongs.

2242
03:21:30.352 --> 03:21:30.480
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2243
03:21:31.442 --> 03:21:36.527
<v Angelita Morillo>We also heard that citizen suits bring environment— belong to environmental law, not to franchise law.

2244
03:21:37.200 --> 03:21:55.980
<v Angelita Morillo>And while that might feel like a lawyerly distinction that we want to make, it's not, because the tools in a contract follow the risk in the contract, not the label of the COVID We put arbitration clauses into employment agreements and seismic standards into housing leases, and nobody objects that we've mixed up our areas of law when we do that.

2245
03:21:56.558 --> 03:22:01.263
<v Angelita Morillo>So what is inside this franchise that I think council needs to consider is the risk.

2246
03:22:01.680 --> 03:22:05.887
<v Angelita Morillo>Portlanders are not going to experience risk as franchise law or environmental law.

2247
03:22:06.416 --> 03:22:14.911
<v Angelita Morillo>They experience it as fuel moving under their streets, and the only thing that protects them is whether someone can hold the operator to its contractual safety commitments.

2248
03:22:15.552 --> 03:22:21.799
<v Angelita Morillo>Congress built citizen suits into the Clean Air or Pipeline Safety Act, an act governing pipes like these.

2249
03:22:22.072 --> 03:22:23.324
<v Angelita Morillo>For that exact same reason.

2250
03:22:24.238 --> 03:22:30.721
<v Angelita Morillo>We also heard that citizen suits are unnecessary because the franchise agreement already has mechanisms to hold the franchisee accountable.

2251
03:22:31.219 --> 03:22:34.204
<v Angelita Morillo>But what we've seen is that these mechanisms are not sufficient.

2252
03:22:34.750 --> 03:22:48.454
<v Angelita Morillo>Zenith enforcement under the franchise agreement found zero violations, while the state found many violations, and they found that there were years of unauthorized operation at this facility after reports from citizens.

2253
03:22:49.352 --> 03:23:05.078
<v Angelita Morillo>When Congress wrote the Clean Water Act, it included full government enforcement powers and added citizen suits as well, because remedies on paper don't, don't enforce themselves, and agencies run short on staff, budget, and sometimes we are unable or unwilling to enforce them.

2254
03:23:05.543 --> 03:23:07.354
<v Angelita Morillo>We just experienced that with Zenith.

2255
03:23:08.413 --> 03:23:12.645
<v Angelita Morillo>We also heard that citizen suit condition is not related to I Squared's qualifications.

2256
03:23:13.077 --> 03:23:19.858
<v Angelita Morillo>The clause says conditions must relate to the buyer's qualifications to perform according to the terms of this franchise as council deems reasonably appropriate.

2257
03:23:19.906 --> 03:23:20.354
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that's a good point.

2258
03:23:20.835 --> 03:23:25.227
<v Angelita Morillo>So the question is, what assurance do we have that I Squared is going to perform?

2259
03:23:25.899 --> 03:23:31.893
<v Angelita Morillo>With Zenith in 2018, the city at least had years of operating experience with Zenith, and even that did not protect us.

2260
03:23:32.389 --> 03:23:34.328
<v Angelita Morillo>This buyer has no experience in Portland.

2261
03:23:34.697 --> 03:23:39.087
<v Angelita Morillo>Its qualification submission is based on promises and its parent company finances.

2262
03:23:39.841 --> 03:23:43.093
<v Angelita Morillo>A promise is only as good as your ability to hold the maker to it.

2263
03:23:43.671 --> 03:23:46.475
<v Angelita Morillo>Oversight is what turns a promise into a qualification.

2264
03:23:46.522 --> 03:23:46.635
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

2265
03:23:47.132 --> 03:23:52.987
<v Angelita Morillo>And for a buyer that has no intention of breaking the law, this provision doesn't cost a dollar to them.

2266
03:23:54.031 --> 03:24:00.335
<v Angelita Morillo>We heard that I Squared might reject the citizen suit condition and the sale collapses, but we haven't even had the opportunity to talk to them.

2267
03:24:00.833 --> 03:24:05.037
<v Angelita Morillo>I emailed Jules Bailey earlier last week and I did not hear back from them.

2268
03:24:05.502 --> 03:24:07.780
<v Angelita Morillo>This condition is not going to kill the sale.

2269
03:24:08.292 --> 03:24:09.465
<v Angelita Morillo>Only I Squared can do that.

2270
03:24:09.834 --> 03:24:12.496
<v Angelita Morillo>And by refusing a term that costs a compliant operator nothing, they are going to be violating the law.

2271
03:24:12.545 --> 03:24:12.656
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2272
03:24:13.684 --> 03:24:19.352
<v Angelita Morillo>Last week, I Squared stood at the dais and volunteered an annual public report of its fuels, its— and its emissions.

2273
03:24:20.011 --> 03:24:23.077
<v Angelita Morillo>A company that volunteers transparency should not fear enforcement.

2274
03:24:23.719 --> 03:24:30.318
<v Angelita Morillo>If they would walk away from this purchase rather than be held to their contract, that isn't a risk that's created by our amendment.

2275
03:24:30.704 --> 03:24:37.704
<v Angelita Morillo>In fact, that's the most important fact that we could learn before handing them the life and safety of thousands of Portlanders.

2276
03:24:37.770 --> 03:24:38.218
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilmember Herbold.

2277
03:24:39.257 --> 03:24:43.016
<v Angelita Morillo>I squared's rejection of the transfer with a citizen suit condition stops nothing.

2278
03:24:43.755 --> 03:24:52.916
<v Angelita Morillo>In that case, the question of transfer consent comes back to this council, and we can act on it again within weeks or whatever terms we choose, including without the citizen suit provision.

2279
03:24:53.513 --> 03:24:55.450
<v Angelita Morillo>We get to control the agenda as council.

2280
03:24:56.059 --> 03:25:00.180
<v Angelita Morillo>Engaging in a good faith public process is not an unreasonable delay.

2281
03:25:01.920 --> 03:25:12.290
<v Angelita Morillo>We've also heard from some of our colleagues that we should just wait, approve the transfer now, and do citizen Today is when we have leverage.

2282
03:25:12.664 --> 03:25:15.406
<v Angelita Morillo>The buyer accepts this term and it becomes part of the agreement.

2283
03:25:15.969 --> 03:25:21.474
<v Angelita Morillo>Later, it's the city rewriting a signed contract, which tends to be the kind of thing that gets struck down in the courts.

2284
03:25:22.030 --> 03:25:39.599
<v Angelita Morillo>So we'd be rejecting the strong version now for a weak version later, and when later comes, we'll be told we can't vote for it because it's weak or unworkable, and we will forever be in the position of never Second, later doesn't have any leverage.

2285
03:25:39.744 --> 03:25:46.796
<v Angelita Morillo>The city attorney told us that the path to doing this condition, if we wait until after we approve the transfer, is mutually agreeable amendment.

2286
03:25:47.230 --> 03:25:51.554
<v Angelita Morillo>What makes it agreeable to a company that has everything it needs from us for the next decade?

2287
03:25:52.860 --> 03:25:57.522
<v Angelita Morillo>Third, if we approve this transfer, we certify this buyer as qualified without any assurance mechanism.

2288
03:25:57.958 --> 03:26:02.104
<v Angelita Morillo>Our own vote becomes the first piece of evidence against the future ordinance asking for more conditions.

2289
03:26:02.153 --> 03:26:02.379
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith.

2290
03:26:03.459 --> 03:26:07.377
<v Angelita Morillo>If we don't pursue the citizen suit condition, where does that leave us today?

2291
03:26:08.051 --> 03:26:09.352
<v Angelita Morillo>Citizen suits are not new.

2292
03:26:09.560 --> 03:26:15.775
<v Angelita Morillo>Courts have let the public enforce city contracts for a century, and Congress has been writing citizen suits into law for decades.

2293
03:26:16.226 --> 03:26:18.826
<v Angelita Morillo>And they cost nothing to a company that intends to follow the law.

2294
03:26:19.951 --> 03:26:36.567
<v Angelita Morillo>So, colleagues, I am moving this item— I am moving to continue this item for 2 weeks so that we can have our city leadership, including our city council, Start conversations with I Squared principals to encourage acceptance of the citizen suit condition and complete this transfer.

2295
03:26:37.274 --> 03:26:44.737
<v Angelita Morillo>In communication with the city and our body, I Squared has repeatedly stated that they will operate this site responsibly and in accordance with the law.

2296
03:26:45.603 --> 03:26:52.810
<v Angelita Morillo>As a body, our duty is to the constituents we represent, and our constituents are struggling to find trust in the governance of our city.

2297
03:26:53.324 --> 03:26:54.897
<v Angelita Morillo>We should engage in conversations.

2298
03:26:56.132 --> 03:27:08.081
<v Angelita Morillo>With I Squared to help them understand how this condition we are proposing is the best way to ensure that they, as an entity seeking to operate in Portland and the city, are showing up as partners to promote the public's trust.

2299
03:27:08.578 --> 03:27:18.855
<v Angelita Morillo>We have the authority to set this condition as council sets conditions it deems reasonably appropriate, but authority is exercised through engagement, accountability, and commitment to partnership.

2300
03:27:19.417 --> 03:27:22.727
<v Angelita Morillo>We can be built— we can continue to rebuild the public's trust today.

2301
03:27:22.790 --> 03:27:22.934
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

2302
03:27:23.656 --> 03:27:32.941
<v Angelita Morillo>And so, colleagues, I would really hope that this amendment is something that we can discuss with I Squared before we just vote it down and don't do any of our duties.

2303
03:27:33.295 --> 03:27:33.695
<v Angelita Morillo>Thanks.

2304
03:27:34.882 --> 03:27:35.748
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2305
03:27:36.583 --> 03:27:38.843
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, colleagues, we are in the motion to the amendment.

2306
03:27:39.533 --> 03:27:42.596
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are unable to entertain additional motions until we move on from this amendment.

2307
03:27:42.740 --> 03:27:45.884
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so to the amendment, Councilor Ryan.

2308
03:27:46.990 --> 03:27:48.915
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Novick.

2309
03:28:19.208 --> 03:28:30.162
<v Steve Novick>Second, it is— there is a difference between a citizen suit clause in a statute of general applicability and a citizen suit clause in this situation.

2310
03:28:31.156 --> 03:28:33.897
<v Steve Novick>This is— we're not talking about a statute of general applicability.

2311
03:28:34.346 --> 03:28:36.576
<v Steve Novick>We're talking about an agreement between 2 parties.

2312
03:28:37.090 --> 03:28:41.515
<v Steve Novick>And normally the people who enforce agreements between 2 parties with lawsuits are the parties to that agreement.

2313
03:28:41.564 --> 03:28:42.045
<v Steve Novick>I think that's a fair point.

2314
03:28:42.688 --> 03:28:58.604
<v Steve Novick>Yes, there are such things as third-party beneficiaries, which have a right to sue in certain circumstances, like when there's a creditor of the promisee in a contract and the promisee owes them an existing financial or legal obligation that the promisor is paying off.

2315
03:29:00.034 --> 03:29:01.063
<v Steve Novick>That is not this case.

2316
03:29:01.961 --> 03:29:21.656
<v Steve Novick>What if the— if I— if this agreement is violated by Zenith or If we adopt this amendment, we're essentially saying we, the City of Portland, do not trust ourselves to enforce this agreement, so we're outsourcing enforcement to the general public.

2317
03:29:22.226 --> 03:29:25.084
<v Steve Novick>We'd essentially be announcing we are a dysfunctional government.

2318
03:29:28.534 --> 03:29:29.346
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2319
03:29:29.769 --> 03:29:30.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

2320
03:29:32.105 --> 03:29:32.707
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, there we go.

2321
03:29:32.772 --> 03:29:33.129
<v David Dysart>Councilor Ryan.

2322
03:29:35.406 --> 03:29:36.566
<v Dan Ryan>Oh yeah, I did jump in.

2323
03:29:36.777 --> 03:29:44.247
<v Dan Ryan>I unfortunately couldn't attend the executive session, so I want to take a breath here to make sure that I, um, I know that you all received some information.

2324
03:29:44.849 --> 03:29:50.824
<v Dan Ryan>So, um, I will, um, connect with, um, a staffer before I ask my question.

2325
03:29:51.579 --> 03:29:56.180
<v Dan Ryan>But, um, yeah.

2326
03:29:57.022 --> 03:29:58.237
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you, Councilor.

2327
03:29:58.917 --> 03:29:59.614
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2328
03:30:03.585 --> 03:30:04.764
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

2329
03:30:07.577 --> 03:30:19.463
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, as you all remember, we went into exec session last week in the middle of talking about this amendment, and at that time I had a few technical questions, the answers of which I'd hoped would lead me to be ready to vote yes.

2330
03:30:21.014 --> 03:30:37.029
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But coming out of that session, based on the advice of our attorney, it is my understanding that this amendment is not legally permissible, that this amendment crosses the line from a condition of the contract and goes farther than we can legally go.

2331
03:30:38.438 --> 03:30:44.596
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That means that this is not a policy call, but a matter of whether I trust our attorney's legal advice.

2332
03:30:46.218 --> 03:30:51.173
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And while there are times where many of us have disagreed with our attorneys, Councilor Smith.

2333
03:30:52.440 --> 03:30:55.634
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Generally feel that we need to listen to the folks who are going to have to represent us.

2334
03:30:57.110 --> 03:31:08.825
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are a number of choices coming before us over the next 6 months where we will be looking at the future of the CEI Hub, and there is much work to do there.

2335
03:31:09.781 --> 03:31:16.377
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But on this amendment, I feel as though I need to follow the advice that was given to me and vote no.

2336
03:31:16.441 --> 03:31:16.768
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith, thank you.

2337
03:31:18.915 --> 03:31:19.801
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2338
03:31:21.575 --> 03:31:22.301
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

2339
03:31:26.075 --> 03:31:27.028
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you, everyone.

2340
03:31:28.319 --> 03:31:35.984
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, everyone should have received a legal memo in their inboxes from other land use attorneys, uh, on this very issue.

2341
03:31:36.064 --> 03:31:40.280
<v Angelita Morillo>I recommend people read that, and it's very clear to me that people have not read that.

2342
03:31:40.829 --> 03:31:55.611
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, that's also part of why I understand we're in the motion for the amendment right now, but that's also So why I recommend that we actually table this discussion, have the time to talk to I Squared about this and continue the negotiations, because it's clear that we're not ready to have this vote.

2343
03:31:56.347 --> 03:32:05.870
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, but, uh, I will say again, in my speech I said it before and I'll say it again, there are third-party beneficiary contracts in the context of franchises.

2344
03:32:06.769 --> 03:32:18.825
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, and that was also addressed in the legal memo that was sent Have residents enforced contracts between a city and a franchise utility?

2345
03:32:19.299 --> 03:32:22.448
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, in several states going back to the 1800s.

2346
03:32:23.029 --> 03:32:27.936
<v Angelita Morillo>And when an agreement's own language said residents could enforce it, the court enforced it as written.

2347
03:32:28.479 --> 03:32:37.202
<v Angelita Morillo>What we haven't found is a city franchise that assembles the package exactly the way this one does, which is the notice first, a cure window, recovery defined, Etc.

2348
03:32:37.683 --> 03:32:39.271
<v Angelita Morillo>But those guardrails aren't ours either.

2349
03:32:39.447 --> 03:32:42.700
<v Angelita Morillo>That's how Congress has built enforcement into environmental law for 50 years.

2350
03:32:43.213 --> 03:32:45.729
<v Angelita Morillo>So no, we didn't invent anything new here.

2351
03:32:46.163 --> 03:32:48.615
<v Angelita Morillo>Every piece is settled law, and we put it into a condition.

2352
03:32:49.064 --> 03:32:50.251
<v Angelita Morillo>That's how contracts work.

2353
03:32:50.666 --> 03:32:56.245
<v Angelita Morillo>And if courts will find citizen enforcement in contracts that never said it, there's nothing radical about a contract that says it.

2354
03:32:56.742 --> 03:32:58.377
<v Angelita Morillo>All we're doing is removing the doubt.

2355
03:32:59.227 --> 03:32:59.483
<v Keelan McClymont>The—.

2356
03:33:00.429 --> 03:33:03.795
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not about whether or not we have a functional or dysfunctional government.

2357
03:33:04.355 --> 03:33:13.156
<v Angelita Morillo>This is an additional enforcement layer so that should our executive fail to enforce this contract, then the public has other recourse.

2358
03:33:13.748 --> 03:33:16.762
<v Angelita Morillo>And again, this has been established in law for a very long time.

2359
03:33:17.370 --> 03:33:23.959
<v Angelita Morillo>So the public deserves to have as many options as possible when it is their lives that are going to be impacted by this.

2360
03:33:24.711 --> 03:33:31.828
<v Angelita Morillo>And I will also say, I'm very surprised to hear that people are just taking I Squared's word for it for how they are going to run the facility.

2361
03:33:31.893 --> 03:33:32.308
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that's a fair point.

2362
03:33:33.386 --> 03:33:35.301
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, Zenith was running it poorly.

2363
03:33:35.656 --> 03:33:37.476
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, they got away with a lot of things.

2364
03:33:37.975 --> 03:33:49.693
<v Angelita Morillo>And to think that a company is just going to come in and we're going to buy their advertising when we know next to nothing about them is extremely absurd to me.

2365
03:33:50.162 --> 03:33:57.597
<v Angelita Morillo>We have to examine who these companies are, what they're going to do, how and why, because this is the number one issue that's going to impact the city.

2366
03:33:57.744 --> 03:34:05.440
<v Angelita Morillo>And it's It's something that people are only going to understand once an earthquake actually happens and the entire Willamette River is poisoned and our city is on fire.

2367
03:34:05.888 --> 03:34:07.156
<v Angelita Morillo>That is really what's at stake.

2368
03:34:07.252 --> 03:34:13.314
<v Angelita Morillo>And I know some of the I Squared folks in the audience laughed last week when I said that, but that is not an exaggeration.

2369
03:34:13.409 --> 03:34:14.820
<v Angelita Morillo>That is what is on the line here.

2370
03:34:15.591 --> 03:34:20.931
<v Angelita Morillo>So, um, I just want to say, colleagues, that I really hope that we can actually try to push this.

2371
03:34:21.667 --> 03:34:24.699
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, as the memo discussed, this is a reasonable condition.

2372
03:34:25.213 --> 03:34:29.817
<v Angelita Morillo>And we are empowered to impose reasonable conditions on a franchise transfer.

2373
03:34:30.283 --> 03:34:30.590
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2374
03:34:31.653 --> 03:34:32.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2375
03:34:32.458 --> 03:34:32.907
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

2376
03:34:34.760 --> 03:34:35.470
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

2377
03:34:37.951 --> 03:34:46.739
<v Mitch Green>Um, you know, Councilor Novick, I just want to respond to the comment on, um, whether Portlanders think that this is a functional government or not in the context of adopting this.

2378
03:34:47.495 --> 03:34:53.577
<v Mitch Green>I actually think there's a lot of Portlanders who don't think that we're a functional government because we failed to do proper oversight and hold ourselves accountable.

2379
03:34:55.030 --> 03:34:58.599
<v Mitch Green>And that's something that we also need to take to heart.

2380
03:34:58.695 --> 03:35:01.408
<v Mitch Green>And it's a very urgent concern, I think, for a lot of Portlanders.

2381
03:35:03.487 --> 03:35:04.568
<v Mitch Green>They do want Zenith out.

2382
03:35:05.021 --> 03:35:10.184
<v Mitch Green>And the advocates who are asking for a third-party supervision also want Zenith out.

2383
03:35:10.912 --> 03:35:31.581
<v Mitch Green>And they don't probably love this transfer at all, but they are willing to accept that if we can put this condition on, then we can bridge that gap and, you know, send a signal that the city is willing to make movements towards, you know, holding its own self accountable, frankly.

2384
03:35:32.745 --> 03:35:39.165
<v Mitch Green>So I think the eye is in the beholder on that one, on what is a functional government or not.

2385
03:35:39.295 --> 03:35:43.063
<v Mitch Green>But I think I want to go to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2386
03:35:43.305 --> 03:35:43.645
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Mayor.

2387
03:35:43.729 --> 03:35:51.519
<v Mitch Green>Your position is whether you like it or not, you just don't think this is appropriate condition for the scope of the franchise.

2388
03:35:51.775 --> 03:35:52.242
<v Mitch Green>I think it is.

2389
03:35:52.979 --> 03:36:15.528
<v Mitch Green>And I think it is because as I read the franchise agreement, it says, you know, the city may condition any transfer of this franchise upon such conditions related to technical, legal, and financial qualifications of the prospective party to To perform according to the terms of this agreement.

2390
03:36:15.575 --> 03:36:16.844
<v Mitch Green>And that's an important piece there.

2391
03:36:17.406 --> 03:36:20.424
<v Mitch Green>And then it finishes by saying, as it deems reasonably appropriate.

2392
03:36:20.472 --> 03:36:22.031
<v Mitch Green>So it's the council adopting an ordinance.

2393
03:36:22.143 --> 03:36:22.207
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah.

2394
03:36:22.288 --> 03:36:26.430
<v Mitch Green>So it's the city council that's making the judgment on what is reasonably appropriate.

2395
03:36:27.023 --> 03:36:45.861
<v Mitch Green>As far as I'm concerned, reading the application, reading the structure, the very many-layered, Degrees of separation and holding companies on this structure, I have open questions on whether they have the legal capability to perform.

2396
03:36:45.925 --> 03:36:52.744
<v Mitch Green>I have no doubt that they have good lawyers, and I know that they're registered in the state of Oregon, but that's not the same as being able to perform to the terms.

2397
03:36:55.271 --> 03:37:04.878
<v Mitch Green>And so I think, yes, to Councilor Murillo's points, it's not enough to just I think we should just accept assertions of saying we're going to be better.

2398
03:37:05.023 --> 03:37:05.832
<v Mitch Green>Like, I hope that's true.

2399
03:37:06.559 --> 03:37:09.130
<v Mitch Green>And I think this is a reasonable condition.

2400
03:37:09.227 --> 03:37:12.020
<v Mitch Green>I think it's valid in the context of franchise transfer.

2401
03:37:12.148 --> 03:37:26.145
<v Mitch Green>And I think if we, if we move forward without placing some conditions on this, I think that we're going to do damage to the trust in government that is frankly pretty fragile.

2402
03:37:26.388 --> 03:37:26.697
<v Mitch Green>So.

2403
03:37:26.778 --> 03:37:26.924
<v Jonas Biery>Thank you.

2404
03:37:27.816 --> 03:37:31.520
<v Mitch Green>I, and I think it's worth trying to get I-Square Capital to agree to this.

2405
03:37:31.841 --> 03:37:33.604
<v Mitch Green>I actually don't know why they wouldn't.

2406
03:37:33.700 --> 03:37:39.568
<v Mitch Green>So, um, I don't know if that's the motion on the floor, more of an appeal, but, um, I'll leave it at that.

2407
03:37:40.578 --> 03:37:41.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

2408
03:37:41.379 --> 03:37:41.908
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

2409
03:37:42.903 --> 03:37:50.519
<v Eric Zimmerman>Just wanted to check in with you, Council President, in terms of, uh, where we're at and your intent on how long the council goes today.

2410
03:37:51.304 --> 03:37:51.689
<v Roger Wohl>Uh, I am—.

2411
03:37:52.281 --> 03:37:55.263
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are going to— we must be done at 1:30 today.

2412
03:37:55.311 --> 03:38:01.587
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay, I'd like to limit debate to the I'm going to go ahead and limit debate to those in the queue.

2413
03:38:02.134 --> 03:38:03.096
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Zimmerman.

2414
03:38:03.257 --> 03:38:03.724
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

2415
03:38:04.076 --> 03:38:05.344
<v Dan Ryan>Yes, thank you, Council President.

2416
03:38:05.585 --> 03:38:13.629
<v Dan Ryan>Um, we've been on this issue, uh, this legislation since July 23rd, and it was requested by the staff a month earlier than that.

2417
03:38:14.690 --> 03:38:22.300
<v Dan Ryan>So the slow walking of this legislation, um, is noted, and congratulations to those in opposition for successfully doing that.

2418
03:38:22.926 --> 03:38:27.486
<v Dan Ryan>Um, I want to thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, for affirming my read.

2419
03:38:28.306 --> 03:38:33.427
<v Dan Ryan>Um, I did discuss with my staff further, um, when this amendment was first proposed.

2420
03:38:34.005 --> 03:38:38.212
<v Dan Ryan>Um, so I will not, uh, be supporting this amendment.

2421
03:38:38.292 --> 03:38:39.690
<v Dan Ryan>It's too financially risky.

2422
03:38:40.427 --> 03:38:43.126
<v Dan Ryan>Um, time to vote up or down on this legislation.

2423
03:38:43.174 --> 03:38:44.378
<v Dan Ryan>I'm glad we're limiting debate.

2424
03:38:45.582 --> 03:38:45.823
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

2425
03:38:46.144 --> 03:38:47.219
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

2426
03:38:47.493 --> 03:38:48.119
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo, last word.

2427
03:38:52.063 --> 03:38:57.786
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Ryan, I know that you are constantly centering the perspective of oil companies because I remember when I was chair of the—.

2428
03:38:57.786 --> 03:39:02.995
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo, I find that to be impugning the character of a colleague.

2429
03:39:03.059 --> 03:39:03.269
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please.

2430
03:39:03.685 --> 03:39:12.888
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, well, he impugned our character when he implied that we were specifically slow rolling this, and that is a comment that puts the city at legal risk when that is not true.

2431
03:39:13.000 --> 03:39:13.784
<v Angelita Morillo>So he was impugning our character.

2432
03:39:14.507 --> 03:39:21.882
<v Angelita Morillo>I hope you'll hold him accountable for that as well, because it is common for agenda items to be put on the council within 90 days.

2433
03:39:22.380 --> 03:39:29.081
<v Angelita Morillo>And there were, as you have seen, everyone in the audience and right now, a lot of delays due to a lot of the long speeches that people give.

2434
03:39:29.466 --> 03:39:35.667
<v Angelita Morillo>So to say that this was intentionally done to put the city at financial risk, I think is impugning our character.

2435
03:39:36.856 --> 03:39:40.215
<v Angelita Morillo>But I want to address a few of the other more technical things then while we're at it.

2436
03:39:41.418 --> 03:39:54.885
<v Angelita Morillo>The idea that I Squared is going to operate differently because of their own advertising doesn't make any sense when we know that a lot of the employees that work at I Squared are carryovers from Zenith, if not the vast majority of them.

2437
03:39:55.334 --> 03:40:29.180
<v Angelita Morillo>So we have an opportunity to actually add accountability into this franchise agreement, and I don't know why we wouldn't take every and any step that we can to protect The franchise agreement transfers are legislative decisions that belong to us as council, and why this council repeatedly refuses to use our authority or to say that there is always a better time to do something is extremely frustrating.

2438
03:40:29.540 --> 03:40:33.040
<v Angelita Morillo>Council is authorized to, to impose conditions on this franchise transfer, and we have done so.

2439
03:40:33.040 --> 03:40:33.079
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

2440
03:40:33.456 --> 03:40:39.836
<v Angelita Morillo>And a citizen suit is a condition, and it's related to the qualifications of the prospective party to perform.

2441
03:40:40.445 --> 03:40:45.463
<v Angelita Morillo>The citizen suit condition changes no terms of the franchise, so there is no need to renegotiate.

2442
03:40:45.799 --> 03:40:51.155
<v Angelita Morillo>It is an additional condition, and the citizen suit condition is reasonably appropriate.

2443
03:40:51.603 --> 03:40:57.038
<v Angelita Morillo>So doing legislative process, having public process, is not unreasonable.

2444
03:40:57.423 --> 03:40:58.640
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not an unreasonable delay.

2445
03:40:59.367 --> 03:41:00.271
<v Angelita Morillo>And it's not purposeful.

2446
03:41:00.658 --> 03:41:10.775
<v Angelita Morillo>This is part of our duties as a council to do oversight and to do our due diligence for Portlanders, not for an oil company's, uh, ease of transfer.

2447
03:41:12.458 --> 03:41:19.254
<v Angelita Morillo>We have a responsibility here to Portlanders today, and if other people are going to impugn my motives, then I hope you hold them accountable too.

2448
03:41:19.661 --> 03:41:19.968
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2449
03:41:20.713 --> 03:41:21.929
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2450
03:41:22.738 --> 03:41:25.995
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call the roll on Green-Morillo 1?

2451
03:41:28.618 --> 03:41:31.270
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Green, seconded by Morillo.

2452
03:41:31.916 --> 03:41:32.386
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

2453
03:41:32.807 --> 03:41:32.935
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

2454
03:41:33.469 --> 03:41:33.922
<v Keelan McClymont>Morillo?

2455
03:41:34.989 --> 03:41:35.038
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

2456
03:41:35.734 --> 03:41:36.057
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

2457
03:41:36.380 --> 03:41:36.606
<v Steve Novick>Nay.

2458
03:41:37.399 --> 03:41:38.063
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

2459
03:41:38.111 --> 03:41:38.208
<v Olivia Clark>No.

2460
03:41:38.467 --> 03:41:38.693
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

2461
03:41:39.680 --> 03:41:39.842
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

2462
03:41:40.327 --> 03:41:40.683
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

2463
03:41:41.072 --> 03:41:41.298
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

2464
03:41:41.799 --> 03:41:42.091
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

2465
03:41:42.592 --> 03:41:42.721
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2466
03:41:43.255 --> 03:41:43.628
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

2467
03:41:45.504 --> 03:41:45.746
<v Loretta Smith>No.

2468
03:41:46.540 --> 03:41:46.734
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

2469
03:41:47.040 --> 03:41:47.218
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

2470
03:41:47.688 --> 03:41:48.076
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

2471
03:41:48.739 --> 03:41:48.902
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

2472
03:41:49.468 --> 03:41:49.693
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan?

2473
03:41:50.147 --> 03:41:50.358
<v Dan Ryan>No.

2474
03:41:50.810 --> 03:41:51.150
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

2475
03:41:51.764 --> 03:41:51.814
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

2476
03:41:52.894 --> 03:41:56.233
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment fails with a vote of 6 ayes and 6 nays.

2477
03:41:56.906 --> 03:42:03.905
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I feel as though this item has— the underlying has been pretty thoroughly discussed through the process of this discussing this amendment.

2478
03:42:04.450 --> 03:42:08.912
<v Jamie Dunphy>Unless there is objection, I would like to move to pass this to second reading without further discussion.

2479
03:42:09.248 --> 03:42:09.843
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there objection?

2480
03:42:09.923 --> 03:42:13.165
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, this item moves to second reading.

2481
03:42:13.614 --> 03:42:13.984
<v Angelita Morillo>I object.

2482
03:42:14.064 --> 03:42:14.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, okay.

2483
03:42:14.561 --> 03:42:15.108
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

2484
03:42:15.203 --> 03:42:25.965
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that— I think we should have a meeting with Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2485
03:42:27.188 --> 03:42:28.957
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there further discussion of the underlying?

2486
03:42:30.556 --> 03:42:31.750
<v Candace Avalos>Just a point of information.

2487
03:42:32.088 --> 03:42:35.912
<v Candace Avalos>When you say the updated amendment, could you tell us more what you mean, Councilor Morillo?

2488
03:42:37.654 --> 03:42:43.638
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that this council, we have not even had the opportunity to talk to I Squared about these updated conditions.

2489
03:42:44.718 --> 03:42:49.966
<v Angelita Morillo>Uh, some of the people who objected here weren't able to be at the executive session to even talk to the attorneys.

2490
03:42:50.030 --> 03:42:51.763
<v Angelita Morillo>We weren't able to have a back and forth.

2491
03:42:52.422 --> 03:43:01.120
<v Angelita Morillo>It doesn't make sense for us to move forward on the assumptions of what a company is going to do without actually having that conversation with I Squared.

2492
03:43:01.504 --> 03:43:03.688
<v Angelita Morillo>Like I said, I did try to do my due diligence.

2493
03:43:03.816 --> 03:43:14.405
<v Angelita Morillo>I emailed Jules Bailey last week in the hopes of talking to him before this came back to council so I wouldn't waste everyone's time and extend this process any further, contrary to the accusations made by my colleagues.

2494
03:43:14.904 --> 03:43:16.530
<v Angelita Morillo>But unfortunately, I did not get a response.

2495
03:43:17.520 --> 03:43:22.531
<v Angelita Morillo>So until we have that meeting, I don't really see how we can continue to move forward on these things.

2496
03:43:24.398 --> 03:43:25.898
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2497
03:43:26.818 --> 03:43:29.336
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there any further discussion of the underlying?

2498
03:43:32.981 --> 03:43:34.684
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, this item moves to second reading.

2499
03:43:34.734 --> 03:43:35.504
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2500
03:43:36.281 --> 03:43:37.486
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

2501
03:43:37.727 --> 03:43:47.617
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please move to— actually, Councilor Smith, you had pulled the remaining items on the agenda were the foreclosure items that you had pulled.

2502
03:43:48.163 --> 03:43:54.505
<v Jamie Dunphy>There was some discussion with my staff and your staff about whether to pull them individually at this point or read them, the last 5 together.

2503
03:43:54.618 --> 03:43:55.340
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do you have a preference?

2504
03:43:55.950 --> 03:44:06.200
<v Loretta Smith>We could actually do them together because there's one in particular that I'm really concerned about that I wanted to move off the consent agenda into the, uh, regular agenda.

2505
03:44:06.200 --> 03:44:06.700
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

2506
03:44:07.090 --> 03:44:09.290
<v Loretta Smith>Um, but you can move them together.

2507
03:44:09.420 --> 03:44:10.100
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

2508
03:44:10.100 --> 03:44:26.739
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call, uh, item 2026-247, 2026-248, 2026-250, 2026-253, 2026-260, and 2026-261 together?

2509
03:44:26.739 --> 03:44:27.700
<v Keelan McClymont>Yes, thank you.

2510
03:44:27.709 --> 03:44:27.985
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2511
03:44:31.531 --> 03:44:42.495
<v Keelan McClymont>First up, 2026-247, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2512
03:44:43.543 --> 03:44:56.059
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-248, initiate foreclosure action on 7545 within Northeast Sandy Boulevard for the collection of delinquent Delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2513
03:44:57.000 --> 03:45:05.819
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-250, initiate foreclosure action on North Columbia Boulevard for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2514
03:45:06.239 --> 03:45:18.020
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-253, initiate foreclosure action on 7101 through 7103 Southeast Division Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2515
03:45:18.500 --> 03:45:18.639
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Second.

2516
03:45:19.670 --> 03:45:28.350
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-260, initiate foreclosure action on 5706 Southeast Lambert Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2517
03:45:29.010 --> 03:45:38.649
<v Keelan McClymont>Document 2026-261, initiate foreclosure action on 855 Northeast Church Street for the collection of delinquent city liens placed against the property.

2518
03:45:38.809 --> 03:45:39.850
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, colleagues.

2519
03:45:39.850 --> 03:45:44.149
<v Jamie Dunphy>Items that are pulled from consent agenda do not have staff summaries, but we do have staff available to answer questions.

2520
03:45:44.290 --> 03:45:45.170
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

2521
03:45:46.899 --> 03:45:47.333
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

2522
03:45:48.183 --> 03:45:59.637
<v Loretta Smith>Um, the question I had about many of these were in regards to, are there people actually living in the residential, uh, foreclosures that you have on the agenda item?

2523
03:46:00.951 --> 03:46:02.042
<v Jamie Dunphy>For the record, I'll state my name.

2524
03:46:02.155 --> 03:46:05.492
<v Jamie Dunphy>My name is Kevin Foster, Foreclosure Prevention Manager.

2525
03:46:06.148 --> 03:46:07.416
<v Jamie Dunphy>All of the properties are vacant.

2526
03:46:08.796 --> 03:46:12.388
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, and I, I want to go to specific item 20.

2527
03:46:13.943 --> 03:46:16.796
<v Loretta Smith>And I believe that's at 855 Northeast, uh, Church.

2528
03:46:18.030 --> 03:46:34.744
<v Loretta Smith>And it is my understanding that the owner of that property, who happens to live in my district in Argay Terrace, that, that is a, um, a rental property, and that the owner has been ill and has not been able to have conversations with the department.

2529
03:46:34.840 --> 03:46:44.820
<v Loretta Smith>And I wanted to see if, if this could be moved to the next So I've actually spoken with the owner as recently as 2 weeks ago.

2530
03:46:45.447 --> 03:46:45.736
<v Loretta Smith>Really?

2531
03:46:46.168 --> 03:46:46.345
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

2532
03:46:47.117 --> 03:46:56.477
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, prior to that, I spoke to her 2 weeks before that, and she was, um, trying to, to work to get the, the issues at the property resolved.

2533
03:46:56.670 --> 03:47:03.638
<v Jamie Dunphy>Her plan is to eventually rehab the entire property, um, and make it into an adult care facility.

2534
03:47:04.619 --> 03:47:11.188
<v Jamie Dunphy>And the reason why we're proceeding forward is just because of the impact that it's having on the community, that property specifically.

2535
03:47:11.862 --> 03:47:15.283
<v Jamie Dunphy>And right now we don't have a solid plan forward for resolution.

2536
03:47:16.376 --> 03:47:20.777
<v Jamie Dunphy>Over the last couple of days, I've gotten several complaints from the neighbors that live in that neighborhood.

2537
03:47:21.661 --> 03:47:21.852
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

2538
03:47:21.966 --> 03:47:23.395
<v Jamie Dunphy>And with no resolution—.

2539
03:47:24.470 --> 03:47:45.531
<v Loretta Smith>I understand, but I would like to put a motion on the floor because as of this last weekend, I understand she was in the hospital, and, and my concern is that, um, with her current medical situation, that it's, it's going to put a, a real strain on her ability to be able to negotiate with you all.

2540
03:47:45.950 --> 03:47:53.850
<v Loretta Smith>If we put this on the next 30-day foreclosure list, is— would that be a problem in 3 months that, that we bring this back?

2541
03:47:55.361 --> 03:47:56.449
<v Jonas Biery>Yeah, Councilor, thanks.

2542
03:47:56.497 --> 03:47:56.968
<v Jonas Biery>I'll jump in.

2543
03:47:57.228 --> 03:47:57.943
<v Jonas Biery>Uh, thank you.

2544
03:47:57.992 --> 03:47:58.902
<v Jonas Biery>I'll jump in and answer the question.

2545
03:47:59.030 --> 03:48:01.034
<v Jonas Biery>For the record, CFO Jonas Biery.

2546
03:48:02.109 --> 03:48:04.724
<v Jonas Biery>So I think there's 2, a couple of pathways.

2547
03:48:05.799 --> 03:48:10.242
<v Jonas Biery>One is this remains on the list passed by council today.

2548
03:48:10.932 --> 03:48:14.750
<v Jonas Biery>It then moves on to the foreclosure list and there's a window, I think 60-ish days.

2549
03:48:15.135 --> 03:48:15.343
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

2550
03:48:15.407 --> 03:48:17.059
<v Jonas Biery>Before this will go to the actual sale.

2551
03:48:17.268 --> 03:48:23.332
<v Jonas Biery>So that's additional time for any property to continue to resolve the issues and avoid that foreclosure action.

2552
03:48:23.908 --> 03:48:28.209
<v Jonas Biery>A second pathway would be simply to remove it from the this inventory today.

2553
03:48:29.122 --> 03:48:37.290
<v Jonas Biery>It would remain out there, continue to still dialogue with the property owner with the option to bring it back at the next batch.

2554
03:48:37.868 --> 03:48:38.718
<v Jonas Biery>Just want to be clear that may—.

2555
03:48:38.718 --> 03:48:39.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>Which is every 90 days?

2556
03:48:39.792 --> 03:48:41.734
<v Jonas Biery>We don't know what the timing of that will be.

2557
03:48:42.200 --> 03:48:44.990
<v Jonas Biery>We sort of have aspiration to come every 90 to 120 days.

2558
03:48:45.745 --> 03:48:48.521
<v Jonas Biery>That's somewhat subject to Council agendas and other issues.

2559
03:48:48.634 --> 03:48:55.019
<v Jonas Biery>But I just want to be clear, we don't know what that next iteration would be to bring it back, but that would certainly be a pathway that's open to Council.

2560
03:48:55.435 --> 03:49:10.947
<v Loretta Smith>Yes, CFO Biery, I like your second idea because it would put it— generally we have these every, um, 90 days, um, and it would still give her the opportunity to work with the department regardless of what her plans are.

2561
03:49:11.316 --> 03:49:25.541
<v Loretta Smith>Um, but I, I think there's some, there's some really serious critical medical things that she needs to get control of before she can have a good conversation with you about what's really going on.

2562
03:49:25.590 --> 03:49:38.481
<v Loretta Smith>So I would like to be able to put a motion on the floor to postpone this foreclosure action for another— for the next foreclosure action in the next 90 days.

2563
03:49:39.637 --> 03:49:47.013
<v Jamie Dunphy>Before we do that, can I have Mike just give some testimony about the property and about what's been going on at the property and the neighbor?

2564
03:49:47.799 --> 03:49:48.006
<v Loretta Smith>Sure.

2565
03:49:48.311 --> 03:49:50.540
<v Sameer Kanal>Mike Liefeld, Portland Permitting and Development.

2566
03:49:51.245 --> 03:49:57.974
<v Sameer Kanal>Notwithstanding the updated information that you're sharing, I just want to share some background on this property.

2567
03:49:58.424 --> 03:50:10.001
<v Sameer Kanal>The listed owner was a contract purchaser in 2016, was aware of the violations when they took over the property around 2022 to 2023.

2568
03:50:10.594 --> 03:50:16.439
<v Sameer Kanal>They indicated to staff that they were going to evict the tenants to regain legal control of the property.

2569
03:50:16.775 --> 03:50:19.890
<v Sameer Kanal>Were unable to secure that legal authority.

2570
03:50:20.308 --> 03:50:25.270
<v Sameer Kanal>The city had to undertake a code hearing to secure a vacate order, which we have now executed.

2571
03:50:25.703 --> 03:50:28.962
<v Sameer Kanal>We performed 2 contractor abatements since that time.

2572
03:50:29.861 --> 03:50:33.104
<v Sameer Kanal>There is a large vector issue that is unresolved.

2573
03:50:33.876 --> 03:50:42.658
<v Sameer Kanal>We're not seeing a lot of maintenance for the lowest-level nuisance issues at the property being demonstrated by current Ownership.

2574
03:50:42.722 --> 03:50:51.500
<v Sameer Kanal>So our track record would indicate that more time may not produce the result we're all looking for.

2575
03:50:53.415 --> 03:50:54.431
<v Loretta Smith>Can I respond?

2576
03:50:55.252 --> 03:51:10.073
<v Loretta Smith>I think that if you've had some latest conversations, and with me knowing about her health situation, I think she probably understands that this this serious at this point.

2577
03:51:10.890 --> 03:51:29.309
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I wouldn't ask for this unless I felt like that there was some serious medical issues that are going on, that I think that she needs to be fully aware of what's going on with, with the properties and to be able to give you some fluid, concrete, um, actions, uh, within the interim.

2578
03:51:29.486 --> 03:51:37.564
<v Loretta Smith>It would be great if we could actually, once she gets to a point that she's healthy enough to have those kind of conversations.

2579
03:51:38.381 --> 03:51:44.343
<v Loretta Smith>And I'm not convinced yet that she is because of what I've learned this weekend.

2580
03:51:45.111 --> 03:52:00.959
<v Loretta Smith>And I understand about the 2016, but also I also want to say during that time her husband was in a coma and he generally helped with the maintenance of her rental properties.

2581
03:52:01.391 --> 03:52:02.209
<v Loretta Smith>And he is now gone.

2582
03:52:02.257 --> 03:52:17.743
<v Loretta Smith>He's passed away, uh, because of COVID And so I'm just asking you to let us put it on the next 3 months and try to, to make sure that we're giving her the proper due diligence.

2583
03:52:17.904 --> 03:52:25.998
<v Loretta Smith>I don't want the public to come back to say that, you know, we knew that she was under duress, under a huge medical strain.

2584
03:52:26.144 --> 03:52:27.057
<v Loretta Smith>Councilwoman Smith, I'm sorry.

2585
03:52:27.403 --> 03:52:30.284
<v Loretta Smith>Just, you know, going through a lot of stuff.

2586
03:52:30.864 --> 03:52:37.128
<v Loretta Smith>I, I think it's worth having another 3 months, pushing it off to the next 3 months.

2587
03:52:37.852 --> 03:52:45.631
<v Loretta Smith>And, you know, like I said, she lives in District 1 and has lived there, a longtime community member.

2588
03:52:46.453 --> 03:53:09.875
<v Loretta Smith>And it is, it is, um, really, um, stressful for me to know that she's in a particular health situation right now that I'm not sure that she's able to have these very serious conversations with you about what she's going to do, because she— I don't know that she's in that position right now, and she needs to get some extra help.

2589
03:53:10.355 --> 03:53:24.769
<v Loretta Smith>And I have also reached out to some of her, uh, close friends to see what, what help they can give her, because I don't think she's in a position to tell you exactly what she's going to do because she has to figure out what— how is she going to maintain her current health situation.

2590
03:53:25.104 --> 03:53:42.118
<v Loretta Smith>She's not healthy enough to have these conversations, and to add an extra pressure of a foreclosure, I'm not sure what— just, I, I would like to just have some, some, uh, courtesy to, to have this postponed for another couple months.

2591
03:53:43.240 --> 03:53:49.493
<v Jonas Biery>Councilor, if I may, if Council President, if it's all right, um, a third path that, uh, dawns on me is that perhaps these are First readings today.

2592
03:53:49.573 --> 03:53:53.497
<v Jonas Biery>These will move forward to second reading, assuming that's direction from Council President.

2593
03:53:54.042 --> 03:54:06.362
<v Jonas Biery>Perhaps an option just to expedite today is move it forward, but we'll acknowledge that we'll continue to dialogue with the property owner to the extent we're able, perhaps do a little additional outreach, and then I can work with the mayor's office.

2594
03:54:06.810 --> 03:54:16.536
<v Jonas Biery>I'll commit to do that, that if we need to pull it off of next week's agenda or the week that it comes to vote so that it doesn't go forward, then I'm happy to facilitate that and work with your office.

2595
03:54:16.647 --> 03:54:18.682
<v Loretta Smith>No, sir, I think we need to do it now.

2596
03:54:18.954 --> 03:54:32.894
<v Loretta Smith>We need to do just give the time now on the front end, um, because like I said, that— I, I, I think it's worth having the time specifically because of her current health situation.

2597
03:54:33.279 --> 03:54:36.980
<v Loretta Smith>This is not an issue of I'm just not feeling good today.

2598
03:54:38.688 --> 03:54:42.656
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we've got about 10, 9 minutes left before we absolutely turn into pumpkins.

2599
03:54:43.272 --> 03:54:47.046
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, Councilor, is there— are you making a specific motion at this point?

2600
03:54:47.159 --> 03:54:49.906
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah, I'd like to make a motion To, um, to move this to the next.

2601
03:54:50.018 --> 03:54:50.274
<v Loretta Smith>Did you—.

2602
03:54:51.689 --> 03:54:53.647
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

2603
03:54:53.775 --> 03:54:55.125
<v Robert Taylor>You have a couple of different options.

2604
03:54:55.783 --> 03:55:08.292
<v Robert Taylor>Um, you could post— make a motion to postpone it to a date certain, um, and then if we get to that date certain and we're still not ready to act, you can postpone it again.

2605
03:55:09.690 --> 03:55:15.359
<v Robert Taylor>You could lay it on the table, at which point at a future council meeting you could take it off the table.

2606
03:55:16.915 --> 03:55:24.313
<v Robert Taylor>Another thing you could do is make a motion to refer this to committee, maybe refer it to the Committee of the Whole.

2607
03:55:25.484 --> 03:55:28.275
<v Robert Taylor>There, it would rest in that committee until there's some action.

2608
03:55:29.334 --> 03:55:29.929
<v Robert Taylor>What I would caution you—.

2609
03:55:29.977 --> 03:55:30.666
<v Loretta Smith>I like what you said.

2610
03:55:31.260 --> 03:55:35.063
<v Loretta Smith>I, I just need a couple of months for her.

2611
03:55:35.272 --> 03:55:42.908
<v Loretta Smith>That's what she needs is a couple of months to, to, to, to realize where she's at in terms of her current health situation.

2612
03:55:43.375 --> 03:55:55.237
<v Loretta Smith>Like I said, this is not, you know, I just scraped my knee kind of thing, and Um, she has a, um, a number of, of pressures on her right now, and she doesn't have the help.

2613
03:55:55.895 --> 03:56:01.326
<v Loretta Smith>And I'm just trying to ease some of this, some of this pressure and postpone this for a couple months.

2614
03:56:01.984 --> 03:56:05.878
<v Loretta Smith>And then if it goes back on our next list, and you can proceed.

2615
03:56:06.614 --> 03:56:16.654
<v Loretta Smith>But I didn't know about this situation until I— me and my staff were looking at it, and I always look up all the addresses and, and owners and see.

2616
03:56:17.440 --> 03:56:22.049
<v Loretta Smith>And I, and I know I recognized that she was a person who lives in Argay that I've known for a long time.

2617
03:56:22.096 --> 03:56:29.065
<v Loretta Smith>She was a longtime Multnomah County, um, uh, employee, and she's having some really difficult times.

2618
03:56:30.125 --> 03:56:32.147
<v Loretta Smith>And so I just— I didn't know if you all knew that.

2619
03:56:32.532 --> 03:56:38.539
<v Loretta Smith>And you said that you've talked to her, but if you've talked to her, you probably have recognized that she is not in the best of health.

2620
03:56:40.218 --> 03:56:44.111
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor, in the interest of time, uh, is there a mo— a specific motion you're going to—.

2621
03:56:44.143 --> 03:56:51.391
<v Loretta Smith>I'd like to do a motion to postpone this for the next, um, foreclosure, uh, list that comes out in the next couple months.

2622
03:56:52.914 --> 03:56:55.244
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, the motion is to postpone this.

2623
03:56:55.503 --> 03:57:01.155
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that sufficient for a motion to postpone to the item, or is a date—.

2624
03:57:01.734 --> 03:57:02.426
<v Sameer Kanal>Is a date required?

2625
03:57:03.022 --> 03:57:05.864
<v Robert Taylor>I think the intent of that is Okay.

2626
03:57:06.585 --> 03:57:07.755
<v Candace Avalos>Point of information.

2627
03:57:08.173 --> 03:57:08.718
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

2628
03:57:08.845 --> 03:57:23.514
<v Candace Avalos>So because in committee when we had all these, we did a similar thing with one where it was like moved to another time, like does it just get put in that same queue, I guess, or like is there a relationship between the ones that are— the other ones that are being stalled?

2629
03:57:24.012 --> 03:57:25.743
<v Candace Avalos>Just trying to understand process.

2630
03:57:26.609 --> 03:57:34.310
<v Jamie Dunphy>We can, we can look at adding it to the— so like right now I've already receive the list of properties that I'm working on for the next list.

2631
03:57:34.470 --> 03:57:39.352
<v Jamie Dunphy>So it may push it down the road to after that list is completed.

2632
03:57:40.653 --> 03:57:43.960
<v Robert Taylor>And did these go through the— which committee did these go through?

2633
03:57:44.009 --> 03:57:45.453
<v Candace Avalos>They originally went through the Housing Committee.

2634
03:57:45.550 --> 03:57:50.352
<v Candace Avalos>We've been discussing that in the future they should go to the Committee of the Whole, but these all went to Housing.

2635
03:57:50.769 --> 03:57:58.138
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, if you know the second batch is going to go through a particular committee, then you could refer this one to that committee.

2636
03:57:58.430 --> 03:58:00.111
<v Robert Taylor>So that then they could all just track.

2637
03:58:00.661 --> 03:58:02.373
<v Jamie Dunphy>They will be going through the Committee of the Whole.

2638
03:58:02.940 --> 03:58:03.990
<v Jamie Dunphy>And there is a motion on the floor.

2639
03:58:04.039 --> 03:58:05.010
<v Loretta Smith>There is a motion on the floor.

2640
03:58:05.058 --> 03:58:05.801
<v Jamie Dunphy>There's not been seconded yet.

2641
03:58:06.879 --> 03:58:07.007
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

2642
03:58:07.057 --> 03:58:07.314
<v Steve Novick>Second.

2643
03:58:07.941 --> 03:58:08.200
<v Jamie Dunphy>Here we go.

2644
03:58:08.281 --> 03:58:16.832
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith moves to postpone this item to align with the next batch of foreclosure items.

2645
03:58:17.121 --> 03:58:18.876
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick seconds.

2646
03:58:19.632 --> 03:58:21.243
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of the amendment?

2647
03:58:21.726 --> 03:58:22.161
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

2648
03:58:22.933 --> 03:58:23.384
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

2649
03:58:23.576 --> 03:58:24.204
<v Sameer Kanal>I had a question.

2650
03:58:26.354 --> 03:58:30.715
<v Sameer Kanal>In the timeline, you mentioned 2016, you mentioned 2022, 2023.

2651
03:58:31.549 --> 03:58:43.041
<v Sameer Kanal>I see that there's an ordinance that was filed for the February 7th, 2024 City Council agenda about this property, and I'm just curious if you could— it's a foreclosure action there.

2652
03:58:43.907 --> 03:58:44.966
<v Sameer Kanal>That wasn't mentioned here.

2653
03:58:45.030 --> 03:58:46.521
<v Sameer Kanal>Can you speak to exactly what happened?

2654
03:58:46.777 --> 03:58:53.846
<v Sameer Kanal>It shows that it was referred to Commissioner of Finance and Administration, which is, I'm assuming, whichever Commissioner was over the bureau at the time.

2655
03:58:54.648 --> 03:58:56.043
<v Sameer Kanal>But can you give a little bit more on that?

2656
03:58:56.477 --> 03:58:56.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sure.

2657
03:58:57.760 --> 03:59:04.045
<v Jamie Dunphy>That particular time, we were able to— I was able to work out arrangement with the property owner, and so we removed it from the list.

2658
03:59:04.430 --> 03:59:09.368
<v Jamie Dunphy>And at that point, the tenants had vacated the property.

2659
03:59:10.281 --> 03:59:10.907
<v Jonas Biery>Thank you.

2660
03:59:11.468 --> 03:59:14.628
<v Jamie Dunphy>And at that point, the tenants were no longer in the property.

2661
03:59:14.691 --> 03:59:31.030
<v Sameer Kanal>It was vacant, and we removed it from the list at that time to allow time for her to do Okay, and is that the issue that remains unresolved now, or is it a new set of issues that got it back on this list?

2662
03:59:32.250 --> 03:59:33.469
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'll let Mike answer that one.

2663
03:59:35.110 --> 03:59:49.391
<v Sameer Kanal>There are unresolved property maintenance violations from the original case back in 2016 regarding the interior condition of the property, along with, uh, Exterior nuisance conditions, including rat harborage, which are unabated.

2664
03:59:51.559 --> 03:59:58.727
<v Sameer Kanal>And all of those predate the 2024 set of— or were included or predate the 2024 list?

2665
03:59:58.905 --> 04:00:00.834
<v Sameer Kanal>Is any of that new subsequent to 2024?

2666
04:00:01.381 --> 04:00:10.811
<v Sameer Kanal>It's possible during reinspections they may do a reinspection and find that some violations were corrected, some new violations have appeared.

2667
04:00:11.226 --> 04:00:14.465
<v Sameer Kanal>So I don't want to say that they're all remaining.

2668
04:00:14.530 --> 04:00:22.194
<v Sameer Kanal>There could be some new violations that were noted for deteriorating conditions after 2024 if reinspections were done.

2669
04:00:22.628 --> 04:00:26.443
<v Sameer Kanal>But predominantly, I think these conditions were all cited in 2016.

2670
04:00:27.823 --> 04:00:28.000
<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

2671
04:00:28.560 --> 04:00:29.700
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I appreciate that.

2672
04:00:29.747 --> 04:00:37.043
<v Sameer Kanal>And, you know, this is— I don't know the owner or really the situation specifically.

2673
04:00:37.123 --> 04:00:38.208
<v Sameer Kanal>I do know this area.

2674
04:00:38.289 --> 04:00:42.882
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, it's in obviously in our district, and so driven by this, this particular location.

2675
04:00:43.546 --> 04:00:50.914
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so I, I'm interested in, in resolving that too, in, in addition to ensuring that we're doing right by, by the folks who live here and, and own it.

2676
04:00:51.523 --> 04:00:51.813
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

2677
04:00:51.941 --> 04:00:52.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2678
04:00:52.986 --> 04:00:53.629
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2679
04:00:54.593 --> 04:00:55.701
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

2680
04:00:55.862 --> 04:01:05.726
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, do we have a specific— do we know when the next batch of Foreclosures will be coming forward.

2681
04:01:05.790 --> 04:01:10.656
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We heard CFO say that we try to do between 90 and 100 days.

2682
04:01:10.753 --> 04:01:14.944
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I know when I was council president, we had talked about trying to move to a quarterly cadence.

2683
04:01:15.731 --> 04:01:32.820
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if this is something where we are asking neighbors to wait an additional 2 to 3 months to get this resolved, that feels very different to me than if we are asking neighbors to wait an indefinite amount of time because we don't know when the next batch is coming.

2684
04:01:33.237 --> 04:01:34.602
<v Jonas Biery>Yeah, Councilor, thank you for the question.

2685
04:01:34.763 --> 04:01:42.612
<v Jonas Biery>Our objective, our aspiration is to put about 90 to 120 days between these kind of batching of foreclosure items.

2686
04:01:43.688 --> 04:01:53.191
<v Jonas Biery>The 2 challenges with that, one is getting space on a council and committee agenda, acknowledging that we started this conversation at committee almost 2 months ago and just to get to this date.

2687
04:01:54.105 --> 04:02:03.691
<v Jonas Biery>The other issue we have is just staffing constraints that we don't always have staff capacity to catch these as often as the nuisance property requests come up.

2688
04:02:03.755 --> 04:02:06.613
<v Jonas Biery>And so we have to kind of navigate both of those challenges.

2689
04:02:07.288 --> 04:02:11.863
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, your intent is to move foreclosures through Committee of the Whole in the future, is that correct?

2690
04:02:11.944 --> 04:02:12.441
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is correct.

2691
04:02:12.971 --> 04:02:22.220
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And Councilor Kanal, how would scheduling look a few months from now for the next batch of foreclosures in Committee of the Whole?

2692
04:02:23.086 --> 04:02:25.029
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, may I respond to that, Council President?

2693
04:02:25.350 --> 04:02:27.275
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm also using that question to pull up my notes.

2694
04:02:27.820 --> 04:02:30.806
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, you know, we haven't scheduled past Thanksgiving.

2695
04:02:31.351 --> 04:02:33.405
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, we've got penciled in through that far.

2696
04:02:34.239 --> 04:02:40.161
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but so I, I— nothing else is on the radar for after that except, um, one meeting of an oversight hearing.

2697
04:02:40.818 --> 04:02:43.353
<v Sameer Kanal>So, and, and I think we have 4 meetings after that.

2698
04:02:44.108 --> 04:02:47.942
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, might just be 3 actually, so let me say 3 to be safe.

2699
04:02:47.992 --> 04:02:55.663
<v Sameer Kanal>So I, I, I don't anticipate it being a challenge There's the other things that I know are coming are some appointments to volunteer bodies.

2700
04:02:55.727 --> 04:03:04.986
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So presumably a 90-day cadence from when this first came to committee, which was I believe sometime in August, would put us at sometime in November.

2701
04:03:05.424 --> 04:03:09.664
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You're saying that you could likely get things on the schedule the beginning of December?

2702
04:03:12.632 --> 04:03:15.088
<v Sameer Kanal>I, uh, sorry, I was going off of 3 months from now.

2703
04:03:15.783 --> 04:03:22.038
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, going off 3 months from then, there's, there's gaps I'm not 100% sure how we're handling a couple specific dates.

2704
04:03:22.281 --> 04:03:29.623
<v Sameer Kanal>I just heard about the week of the first full week of November having some issues with the building.

2705
04:03:30.220 --> 04:03:32.382
<v Sameer Kanal>So going virtual, I think, for that one.

2706
04:03:32.625 --> 04:03:36.900
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so that since we still have that date, then I think it's possible.

2707
04:03:37.319 --> 04:03:40.408
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't want to give you 100%, but I'm not particularly worried about it right now.

2708
04:03:40.734 --> 04:03:43.628
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we are at 1:30, the time that I told staff we would be done.

2709
04:03:43.938 --> 04:03:45.994
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Smith, please briefly, last word.

2710
04:03:46.235 --> 04:03:46.523
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

2711
04:03:46.637 --> 04:03:47.712
<v Loretta Smith>I just want to say this last thing.

2712
04:03:47.777 --> 04:04:02.569
<v Loretta Smith>She's an elderly woman who's in poor health, who has been a longtime advocate for folks in the African-American community, and I just felt like, um, she's always speaking up for others and trying to help others, that there's no one to speak up for her.

2713
04:04:02.859 --> 04:04:06.522
<v Loretta Smith>And, um, I want to make sure that she's in her right mind.

2714
04:04:06.569 --> 04:04:24.370
<v Loretta Smith>This is, mind you, this is prime property in inner Northeast Portland, and I don't want her to be a victim of someone trying to get that property and she doesn't have a chance to help her own self out.

2715
04:04:25.156 --> 04:04:31.136
<v Loretta Smith>That's, that's, that's my other concern with this, is someone will try to take advantage of her in this current state.

2716
04:04:31.808 --> 04:04:37.983
<v Loretta Smith>And I've seen it happen so many times to elderly folks in our community And I just don't want her to be a victim of that.

2717
04:04:39.134 --> 04:04:39.846
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

2718
04:04:40.788 --> 04:04:43.656
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, Keelan, can we please call the roll on Smith 1?

2719
04:04:46.362 --> 04:04:48.421
<v Keelan McClymont>Moved by Smith, seconded by Novick.

2720
04:04:48.823 --> 04:04:49.290
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

2721
04:04:50.110 --> 04:04:50.238
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

2722
04:04:51.219 --> 04:04:51.574
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

2723
04:04:53.647 --> 04:04:55.584
<v Angelita Morillo>I think this is a really noble way to use government.

2724
04:04:56.656 --> 04:04:57.063
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

2725
04:04:57.452 --> 04:04:57.486
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2726
04:04:58.102 --> 04:04:58.444
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

2727
04:04:58.753 --> 04:04:58.801
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2728
04:04:59.403 --> 04:04:59.630
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

2729
04:04:59.890 --> 04:04:59.940
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

2730
04:05:00.638 --> 04:05:00.962
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

2731
04:05:01.352 --> 04:05:01.370
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

2732
04:05:04.297 --> 04:05:04.345
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

2733
04:05:05.756 --> 04:05:05.822
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2734
04:05:06.908 --> 04:05:07.055
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2735
04:05:08.029 --> 04:05:08.076
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

2736
04:05:09.488 --> 04:05:09.504
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

2737
04:05:10.153 --> 04:05:14.882
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, the motion carries with a vote of 12 ayes.

2738
04:05:15.221 --> 04:05:15.496
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2739
04:05:15.626 --> 04:05:17.224
<v Jamie Dunphy>All the remaining items move to second reading.

2740
04:05:17.336 --> 04:05:19.864
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are in recess until tomorrow.

2741
04:05:19.914 --> 04:05:21.086
<v Jamie Dunphy>We don't have tomorrow, right?

2742
04:05:21.136 --> 04:05:21.625
<v Sameer Kanal>We're adjourned.

2743
04:05:21.967 --> 04:05:22.652
<v Jamie Dunphy>We got a work session tomorrow.

2744
04:05:22.700 --> 04:05:23.352
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're adjourned.

2745
04:05:23.515 --> 04:05:24.135
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, everybody.