{ "meetingId": "2026-08-04-cpsc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Community & Public Safety Committee 08/04/26", "displayTitle": "Community & Public Safety Committee", "date": "2026-08-04T16:30:00-07:00", "duration": 192, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5FdK-kYolM", "videoId": "o5FdK-kYolM", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/community-and-public-safety-committee/2026/8/4", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Appropriate grant award of $207,411 for speed racing street takeover", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/appropriate-speed-racing-award" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Appropriate grant award of $103,069 for expanded traffic enforcement", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/appropriate-expanded-traffic-enforcement-award" }, { "number": 4, "title": "Multnomah County Department of Community Justice", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-279" }, { "number": 5, "title": "Amend Code related to prohibitions on possession of firearms within certain City buildings to disallow affirmative defense for persons with concealed handgun licenses (amend Code Sections 3.18.020, 14A.60.010 and 20.12.050)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/protecting-public-buildings" }, { "number": 6, "title": "Add Psychedelic Health and Safety Code and create the Portland Psychedelics Advisory Commission (add Code Chapter 14B.140)", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/psychedelic-health-and-safety-act" } ], "summary": "**The Community and Public Safety Committee referred a grant to expand police traffic enforcement to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections from two members that the city was funding an activity with documented racial disparities before examining them.** The committee, chaired by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3), also advanced a psychedelics deprioritization ordinance after stripping out its proposed advisory commission, and heard an hour-long briefing from Multnomah County's corrections agency.\n\n## Traffic enforcement grant splits the committee\n\nThe committee voted **3-2** to refer a **$103,069** grant from the Oregon Department of Transportation for expanded traffic enforcement, with a $25,768 match from the Portland Police Bureau ([02:48:46](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:48:46)). The money funds officer training, mobile citation printers, and drones used to document crash scenes. Sergeant Christopher Petrov of the Traffic Division said the drones are for \"crime scene purposes only\" and not for enforcement.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) read from the bureau's own stops-data reports to show that Traffic Division stops of Black Portlanders rose from 8.0% in 2012 to **15.4% in the 2025 report**, against a Black population of about 5.8% ([02:18:02](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:18:02)). He said he did not want to \"expand something that's a problem by a dollar if we are not able to have the conversation about how to make it not a problem\" ([02:47:14](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:47:14)). Deputy Chief Brian Hughes said the Chief's Office acknowledges the disparities \"do exist and warrant additional exploration.\" Kanal asked that an equity measure be added to the grant's evaluation plan, which lists efficiency and accuracy but not equity; the city administrator said he would involve chief equity officer Latrice.\n\nCouncilor Angelita Morillo (District 3), who also voted no, pressed for a privacy impact assessment through the city's new Data Privacy Office before any new equipment is bought and called the sequence \"very backwards,\" objecting that the committee spent over an hour on a county program it does not oversee while rushing an item within its direct responsibility ([02:42:22](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:42:22)). Novick said he had not been told the item would be \"a forum for a much broader discussion\" and committed to schedule a future session on traffic-stop disparities with police leadership present. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said the matter belonged in the Committee of the Whole and voted to move the grant. Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) voted aye but criticized the budget document as unhelpful, saying it lacked any breakdown of what the money buys.\n\nA companion grant of **$207,411** for street racing and takeover enforcement, also from ODOT with a $50,000 police match, was referred **5-0** ([02:05:53](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:05:53)). Captain Chris Burley said the bureau had no intent to buy drones or cameras with those funds.\n\n## Psychedelics ordinance advances without its commission\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance making natural psychedelics a low priority for police enforcement, first stripping the proposed Portland Psychedelics Advisory Commission. Kanal's amendment removing the commission passed **3-2** ([03:02:40](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@03:02:40)), and the ordinance as amended passed **4-1**, with Smith the only no ([03:11:50](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@03:11:50)).\n\nNovick said he was uneasy about city liability and the city's lack of expertise to staff a body giving public-health advice on psychedelics. Courtney Moran, for the Portland Psychedelic Society Action, said the group backed the amendment rather than risk the whole ordinance and clarified the measure is \"just a deprioritization for law enforcement,\" not decriminalization ([02:57:42](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@02:57:42)). Zimmerman voted no on the amendment, worried that removing the body left a \"decision advisory void.\"\n\nSmith, who voted against the ordinance, repeatedly asked why an ordinance was needed at all: \"If it is already a low priority for police, why are we putting this forward?\" ([03:04:24](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@03:04:24)). Kanal answered that her premise \"implies that either PPB will be breaking the law or that the legislative body of the city is an advisory group. I think neither of those is true\" ([03:10:40](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@03:10:40)).\n\n## County corrections agency describes strain and disparities\n\nDenise Peña, Director of the Multnomah County Department of Community Justice, told the committee her agency supervised over 10,000 justice-involved people last year with more than 400 staff on a budget of **nearly $116 million** ([00:26:16](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@00:26:16)). She said about 71% comes from the county general fund and that the agency cut roughly 5% from the prior year, including nearly **$2 million** in housing contracts after state Senate Bill 1145 reductions ([00:52:19](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@00:52:19)).\n\nJuvenile Services Director Dr. Kyla Armstrong Romero said the Donald E. Long detention facility, meant for short stays, now holds some youth more than 500 days — about 25% of the average daily population — with one youth held over 920 days awaiting a case ([00:58:13](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@00:58:13)). She confirmed a racial disparity when Morillo asked, saying nearly 35% of youth served identify as Black or African American against a far smaller share of the county population. Adult Services Director Tyra Hubbard said a statewide cost study put supervision at $18.18 per person per day while the county is funded at under $16 ([01:32:54](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@01:32:54)). Zimmerman called SB 1145 \"a partially funded mandate.\" Smith said the disparities point to decisions across the system — policing, the district attorney, and judges — not police alone. The item was placed on file.\n\n## Wildfire response\n\nTribal Government Relations Manager Gerald Skelton and Fire Chief Lauren Johnson opened the meeting with a briefing on wildfires affecting the Warm Springs Reservation, where 8 homes and 5 other structures were destroyed and a water conservation order is in effect ([00:10:37](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@00:10:37)). Johnson said Portland Fire and Rescue has deployed 37 personnel this season, with 8 currently assigned ([00:13:54](meeting:2026-08-04-cpsc-1@00:13:54)). She put the Bench Fire near Warm Springs at more than 40,000 acres; Skelton cited more than 64,000 acres from the Northwest Coordination Center.\n\n## What's next\n\nNovick committed to schedule a future committee session on racial disparities in traffic stops with police leadership present, and the city administrator said the chief equity officer would be brought into the grant-evaluation process. Both ODOT grants may require an administrative extension by the city administrator if funds are not spent by September 30. The psychedelics proponents said they would maintain their own educational resources, and Kanal committed to a separate conversation on a possible advisory body. All three referred ordinances now go to the full City Council. The minutes were approved by unanimous consent, and the agenda was reordered by unanimous consent.", "summaryText": "The Community and Public Safety Committee referred a grant to expand police traffic enforcement to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections from two members that the city was funding an activity with documented racial disparities before examining them. The committee, chaired by Councilor Steve Novick (District 3), also advanced a psychedelics deprioritization ordinance after stripping out its proposed advisory commission, and heard an hour-long briefing from Multnomah County's corrections agency.\n\nThe committee voted 3-2 to refer a $103,069 grant from the Oregon Department of Transportation for expanded traffic enforcement, with a $25,768 match from the Portland Police Bureau (02:48:46). The money funds officer training, mobile citation printers, and drones used to document crash scenes. Sergeant Christopher Petrov of the Traffic Division said the drones are for \"crime scene purposes only\" and not for enforcement.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) read from the bureau's own stops-data reports to show that Traffic Division stops of Black Portlanders rose from 8.0% in 2012 to 15.4% in the 2025 report, against a Black population of about 5.8% (02:18:02). He said he did not want to \"expand something that's a problem by a dollar if we are not able to have the conversation about how to make it not a problem\" (02:47:14). Deputy Chief Brian Hughes said the Chief's Office acknowledges the disparities \"do exist and warrant additional exploration.\" Kanal asked that an equity measure be added to the grant's evaluation plan, which lists efficiency and accuracy but not equity; the city administrator said he would involve chief equity officer Latrice.\n\nCouncilor Angelita Morillo (District 3), who also voted no, pressed for a privacy impact assessment through the city's new Data Privacy Office before any new equipment is bought and called the sequence \"very backwards,\" objecting that the committee spent over an hour on a county program it does not oversee while rushing an item within its direct responsibility (02:42:22). Novick said he had not been told the item would be \"a forum for a much broader discussion\" and committed to schedule a future session on traffic-stop disparities with police leadership present. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said the matter belonged in the Committee of the Whole and voted to move the grant. Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) voted aye but criticized the budget document as unhelpful, saying it lacked any breakdown of what the money buys.\n\nA companion grant of $207,411 for street racing and takeover enforcement, also from ODOT with a $50,000 police match, was referred 5-0 (02:05:53). Captain Chris Burley said the bureau had no intent to buy drones or cameras with those funds.\n\nThe committee referred an ordinance making natural psychedelics a low priority for police enforcement, first stripping the proposed Portland Psychedelics Advisory Commission. Kanal's amendment removing the commission passed 3-2 (03:02:40), and the ordinance as amended passed 4-1, with Smith the only no (03:11:50).\n\nNovick said he was uneasy about city liability and the city's lack of expertise to staff a body giving public-health advice on psychedelics. Courtney Moran, for the Portland Psychedelic Society Action, said the group backed the amendment rather than risk the whole ordinance and clarified the measure is \"just a deprioritization for law enforcement,\" not decriminalization (02:57:42). Zimmerman voted no on the amendment, worried that removing the body left a \"decision advisory void.\"\n\nSmith, who voted against the ordinance, repeatedly asked why an ordinance was needed at all: \"If it is already a low priority for police, why are we putting this forward?\" (03:04:24). Kanal answered that her premise \"implies that either PPB will be breaking the law or that the legislative body of the city is an advisory group. I think neither of those is true\" (03:10:40).\n\nDenise Peña, Director of the Multnomah County Department of Community Justice, told the committee her agency supervised over 10,000 justice-involved people last year with more than 400 staff on a budget of nearly $116 million (00:26:16). She said about 71% comes from the county general fund and that the agency cut roughly 5% from the prior year, including nearly $2 million in housing contracts after state Senate Bill 1145 reductions (00:52:19).\n\nJuvenile Services Director Dr. Kyla Armstrong Romero said the Donald E. Long detention facility, meant for short stays, now holds some youth more than 500 days — about 25% of the average daily population — with one youth held over 920 days awaiting a case (00:58:13). She confirmed a racial disparity when Morillo asked, saying nearly 35% of youth served identify as Black or African American against a far smaller share of the county population. Adult Services Director Tyra Hubbard said a statewide cost study put supervision at $18.18 per person per day while the county is funded at under $16 (01:32:54). Zimmerman called SB 1145 \"a partially funded mandate.\" Smith said the disparities point to decisions across the system — policing, the district attorney, and judges — not police alone. The item was placed on file.\n\nTribal Government Relations Manager Gerald Skelton and Fire Chief Lauren Johnson opened the meeting with a briefing on wildfires affecting the Warm Springs Reservation, where 8 homes and 5 other structures were destroyed and a water conservation order is in effect (00:10:37). Johnson said Portland Fire and Rescue has deployed 37 personnel this season, with 8 currently assigned (00:13:54). She put the Bench Fire near Warm Springs at more than 40,000 acres; Skelton cited more than 64,000 acres from the Northwest Coordination Center.\n\nNovick committed to schedule a future committee session on racial disparities in traffic stops with police leadership present, and the city administrator said the chief equity officer would be brought into the grant-evaluation process. Both ODOT grants may require an administrative extension by the city administrator if funds are not spent by September 30. The psychedelics proponents said they would maintain their own educational resources, and Kanal committed to a separate conversation on a possible advisory body. All three referred ordinances now go to the full City Council. The minutes were approved by unanimous consent, and the agenda was reordered by unanimous consent.", "summaryLede": "The Community and Public Safety Committee referred a grant to expand police traffic enforcement to the full City Council on a 3-2 vote, over objections from two members that the city was funding an activity with documented racial disparities before examining them. 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397.44, "end": 398.504, "text": "Is Loretta supposed to be here?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-2", "start": 476.324, "end": 477.256, "text": "Good morning, everyone.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-3", "start": 477.529, "end": 483.943, "text": "It is Tuesday, August 4th, 2026 at 9:30 AM, and I call this meeting of the Committee and Public Safety Committee to order.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-4", "start": 484.986, "end": 486.098, "text": "Uh, could the clerk please call the roll?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-5", "start": 487.324, "end": 487.711, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-6", "start": 488.211, "end": 488.711, "text": "Uh, Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-7", "start": 490.146, "end": 490.275, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-8", "start": 490.904, "end": 491.421, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-9", 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committee agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda/community-and-public-safety-committee or by calling 311.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-18", "start": 517.337, "end": 519.396, "text": "Information on engaging with the committee can be found at this link.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-19", "start": 519.749, "end": 522.371, "text": "Registration for virtual testimony closes 1 hour prior to the meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-20", "start": 522.564, "end": 529.868, "text": "In-person testifiers must sign up before If public testimony will be taken on an item, individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the Chair states otherwise.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-21", "start": 530.301, "end": 531.954, "text": "Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-22", "start": 532.307, "end": 533.238, "text": "The Chair preserves order.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-23", "start": 533.495, "end": 539.289, "text": "Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or committee deliberations will not be allowed.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-24", "start": 539.931, "end": 541.953, "text": "If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-25", "start": 542.017, "end": 543.991, "text": "Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-26", "start": 544.184, "end": 546.64, "text": "Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-27", "start": 547.073, "end": 549.529, "text": "Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-28", "start": 549.802, "end": 550.187, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-29", "start": 552.374, "end": 553.193, "text": "Thank you, Christopher.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 554.463, "end": 573.193, "text": "So we need to start by acknowledging that today is August 4th, the anniversary of one of the greatest events in history, which— because it's on August 4th, 1789, that the representatives of the nobility and the clergy in the National Assembly of France rose up to renounce their feudal privileges.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 573.306, "end": 578.008, "text": "And by the end of the night, the National Assembly had declared that the feudal system is abolished in its entirety.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 579.329, "end": 581.67, "text": "So I always want to commemorate that fact.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-33", "start": 583.495, "end": 591.549, "text": "The Oregonian reported this week that Oregon has already set 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"end": 637.66, "text": "All righty.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 638.333, "end": 638.75, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 638.814, "end": 639.888, "text": "My name is Gerald Skelton.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 639.936, "end": 645.034, "text": "I'm the Tribal Government Relations Manager for the City of Portland and a member of the Climate Tribes.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 646.508, "end": 654.459, "text": "Thank you for providing us the opportunity to raise awareness of the current wildfire impacts on tribal lands and possible needs for assistance.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 655.085, "end": 666.515, "text": "Based on my conversations with the emergency management directors at their respective tribes and communication with Portland Bureau of Emergency Management and Portland Fire and Rescue, this is what we 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this time.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 730.649, "end": 735.613, "text": "Some tribal members are temporarily housed in hotels, and housing assistance may be needed.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 736.354, "end": 740.525, "text": "Air quality due to smoke continues to negatively impact the Burns community.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 741.185, "end": 746.627, "text": "And we could say air quality due to smoke will impact all those tribes that we're talking about today.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 747.383, "end": 748.644, "text": "As well as the communities.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 750.1, "end": 754.547, "text": "Umatilla tribes currently have areas under level, level 3 evacuation zones.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 754.806, "end": 758.8, "text": "However, they are not requesting additional fire 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"Although not in the state of Oregon, Yakama tribes may need wildfire assistance as well.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 801.599, "end": 808.153, "text": "All efforts to date have been in collaboration with the Portland Bureau of Emergency Management and Portland Fire and Rescue.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 808.843, "end": 818.449, "text": "We will continue to maintain contact with the emergency managers and designated staff of the 9 Oregon tribes and regional tribes throughout the wildfire season.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 819.365, "end": 826.93, "text": "Thank you again for affording us the opportunity to raise awareness on the potential needs for assistance amongst the 9 Oregon and regional tribes.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 827.46, "end": 830.121, "text": "Your time and consideration are greatly appreciated.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 834.59, "end": 834.962, "text": "Thanks, Gerald.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 835.512, "end": 838.23, "text": "Good morning, chairs, um, and committee members.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 838.813, "end": 842.519, "text": "For the record, my name is Lauren Johnson, and I'm the fire chief for Portland Fire and Rescue.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-75", "start": 843.21, "end": 852.656, "text": "Thanks for the opportunity to provide an update on Portland Fire and Rescue's wildfire deployments across Oregon, and specifically to fires affecting the Warm Springs Reservation.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-76", "start": 853.82, "end": 866.675, "text": "We currently have 8 members actively assigned to wildfire incidents throughout the state, our participation is managed through the State Fire Marshal when emergency declarations are made or when the Conflagration Act is invoked.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-77", "start": 867.32, "end": 872.518, "text": "This year, we've deployed a total of 37 personnel to assist on fires in multiple regions.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-78", "start": 873.25, "end": 885.896, "text": "Portland Fire's overall capacity to support the state's needs remains strong with 120 trained members across incident management teams, wildland teams, and rapid extrication and medical support.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-79", "start": 886.009, "end": 887.653, "text": "This is called REMS teams.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-80", "start": 888.883, "end": 894.99, "text": "It's important for you to know that while we're sending resources out, we continue to prioritize protecting Portland first.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-81", "start": 895.76, "end": 909.769, "text": "We maintain the same number of frontline firefighters that we do every other day, and we're able to recover our personnel and apparatus costs because we participate according to preexisting agreements and the laws in both the state and federal systems.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 910.762, "end": 915.715, "text": "Our firefighters and support personnel have been operating on incidents that you've probably heard about.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 916.117, "end": 917.788, "text": "And Sisters and Warm Springs.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 918.543, "end": 931.061, "text": "This includes the Cow Butte Fire near Sisters, where our REMS team, made of firefighters who specialize in technical rescue, provide advanced rescue capability for the firefighters working in rugged and remote terrain.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 932.523, "end": 941.329, "text": "The Bench Fire near Warm Springs has been particularly destructive, burning more than 40,000 acres and destroying homes on the Warm Springs Reservation.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 942.164, "end": 956.34, "text": "In response, Portland Fire deployed 2 incident management team members to support the statewide coordination of fire resources, and the Multnomah County Strike Team 10, which we are a part of, sent fire engines to protect homes on the reservation.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 957.576, "end": 970.725, "text": "Over several operational periods, the team worked closely with partners to assess community threats, extinguish hotspots near residents— residences, and later provided structure protection in the Three Rivers community.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-88", "start": 971.688, "end": 974.803, "text": "This season continues to challenge fire agencies statewide.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-89", "start": 975.461, "end": 984.999, "text": "Oregon is experiencing record-setting fire activity, like Councilor Novick mentioned at the opening, pushing every department to stretch their limits in an effort to provide aid to others.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-90", "start": 985.673, "end": 988.869, "text": "Portland Fire and Rescue has been central to several of those efforts.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 989.11, "end": 995.757, "text": "For the first time, we've launched the standalone RIMS program, which has already proven its value at the fires near Sisters.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 996.576, "end": 1005.214, "text": "We've also helped pioneer mixed county task forces, which brings together partners such as Silverton and Mount Angel with our local resources.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 1005.952, "end": 1018.004, "text": "And this approach has strengthened our collective capacity to provide resources to jurisdictions in need during periods of heavy fire demand while still maintaining the protection and capabilities that we need here at home.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 1019.03, "end": 1025.136, "text": "As another example, a special PF&R rig from Station 29 was integrated into a Columbia County strike team.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-95", "start": 1025.217, "end": 1025.441, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 1026.21, "end": 1032.436, "text": "Supporting operations across the state when resource availability is limited for most, if not all, agencies.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 1033.924, "end": 1039.955, "text": "In short, Portland Fire and Rescue continues to lead with expertise, adaptability, and commitment.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 1040.796, "end": 1048.366, "text": "I've heard from the State Fire Marshal about the importance of our partnership, and I'm grateful to have the support of our city to help others during such devastating times.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 1049.207, "end": 1053.869, "text": "I've heard from Mayor Wilson that he is also receiving calls thanking Portland for sharing resources.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 1054.888, "end": 1062.643, "text": "We know that fires don't recognize jurisdictional lines, and I believe strongly that these partnerships are a win-win for PF&R and the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 1063.35, "end": 1069.804, "text": "Our members are making a meaningful difference on the fire line and in the communities most affected by this historic wildfire season.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-102", "start": 1070.543, "end": 1076.307, "text": "Thank you for your support as we continue this critical work, and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 1077.688, "end": 1078.587, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 1078.812, "end": 1079.519, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 1082.33, "end": 1082.686, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 1083.48, "end": 1087.35, "text": "I don't have any questions, but Chair, I think it was smart to add this to the front of it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 1088.16, "end": 1096.707, "text": "Um, you know, it's present, and, uh, we often think about the towns and what they're going through, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 1096.918, "end": 1101.758, "text": "And I appreciate you sharing the, the experience of the people where these fires are occurring.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-109", "start": 1102.826, "end": 1107.225, "text": "Um, as a member of the 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do it all over again.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-126", "start": 1200.387, "end": 1204.397, "text": "And you use your little headlamp to find your tent where you're sleeping.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-127", "start": 1205.958, "end": 1208.164, "text": "And it's a remarkable experience.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-128", "start": 1208.212, "end": 1214.451, "text": "It's very rewarding, but it is a sacrifice for our employees, for the The firefighters who do this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-129", "start": 1214.564, "end": 1231.926, "text": "And one of the awesomeness about it is when you go look at the parking lot around one of these fairgrounds or wherever people have set up base camp, and you'll see firefighting apparatus trucks with names of towns you've never heard of from across the West, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 1232.023, "end": 1233.249, "text": "Small towns all over the place.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 1233.459, "end": 1239.865, "text": "It's really, to Chief Johnson's point, it's really remarkable in terms of the way the community shows up to take care of folks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 1239.929, "end": 1241.785, "text": "It doesn't— nobody cares about jurisdictional lines.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 1241.834, "end": 1241.979, "text": "That's right.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 1242.106, "end": 1242.571, "text": "At that point.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-135", "start": 1243.469, "end": 1250.961, "text": "And it's always remarkable to me how the town that's in crisis also shows up, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-136", "start": 1251.17, "end": 1254.442, "text": "There will be signs, there will be meals, there'll be restaurants with their doors open.", "speaker": "Eric 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are on whatever the right term is, work outside work, et cetera.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 1288.098, "end": 1291.887, "text": "So it is just a remarkable thing to see if you've been around a fire camp.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 1291.935, "end": 1301.931, "text": "And so for those members, Chief, of your force who have deployed to do this, I respect anybody who has a go bag and anybody who is on the road within hours of the call.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-144", "start": 1302.125, "end": 1303.24, "text": "That's really important.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-145", "start": 1303.806, "end": 1306.197, "text": "And I acknowledge that sacrifice.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-146", "start": 1306.391, "end": 1312.825, "text": "I have only done it once and it was a memorable experience and I keep that in my mind.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-147", "start": 1312.874, "end": 1327.444, "text": "So thanks, Chair, for putting this forward because this is a record-setting year and it's— Portland doesn't always understand or feel that pinch that Central and Eastern and Southern Oregon feel almost every summer.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-148", "start": 1327.508, "end": 1328.069, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-149", "start": 1328.55, "end": 1331.434, "text": "Yes, thank you so much.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-150", "start": 1331.514, "end": 1337.043, "text": "And although it's terrible that these destructive fires are raging, it's heartwarming to know that we are able to help.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-151", "start": 1337.668, "end": 1341.017, "text": "It's— so, oh, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-152", "start": 1342.475, "end": 1343.084, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-153", "start": 1343.693, "end": 1348.421, "text": "And obviously we know that folks around the region are dealing with a lot.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-154", "start": 1349.062, "end": 1352.958, "text": "I have friends in Spokane who I know are dealing with a lot, as well as around the state.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-155", "start": 1354.359, "end": 1361.663, "text": "And it's always appreciated to know both how much we do in support, but also that the mutual aid is— it's obviously mutual.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-156", "start": 1361.711, "end": 1366.211, "text": "So when we're in need, I also know that you're dealing with a lot locally.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-157", "start": 1366.275, "end": 1370.885, "text": "I mean, obviously we had the Centennial Mills fire over the last day.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-158", "start": 1370.965, "end": 1377.493, "text": "So that's something where we are appreciative of the work of your members, of your staff.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-159", "start": 1377.563, "end": 1377.86, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-160", "start": 1378.088, "end": 1378.73, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1379.982, "end": 1392.007, "text": "I'm looking forward to kind of following up on this conversation, and I'm curious how often we can sort of do this where we're able to talk about it maybe before next year's season.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1392.521, "end": 1398.268, "text": "Obviously, we don't know what the committees will look like next year, but just wanted to kind of flag that it'd be great to have that opportunity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1398.846, "end": 1412.928, "text": "I also know that there's need for, going back to the sort of first part of the presentation here, some of our neighbors in reservations are in need of water, drinking water right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1413.041, "end": 1417.698, "text": "And so I think we'll be collecting water at— I'm doing a picnic this Sunday.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1417.747, "end": 1418.652, "text": "We'll be collecting water there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1418.798, "end": 1420.495, "text": "And I'm sure there's many other opportunities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1420.576, "end": 1425.424, "text": "If there's anything that you'd like us to boost to help with our neighbors there, please let me know.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1425.505, "end": 1426.526, "text": "I'm happy to send it around.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1426.95, "end": 1427.129, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1430.123, "end": 1430.547, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1433.447, "end": 1433.769, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1434.252, "end": 1434.591, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1436.7, "end": 1439.824, "text": "So I'm going to restructure the agenda a bit.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1440.388, "end": 1455.589, "text": "We're actually going to start with our guests from Multnomah County Department of Community Justice, then move on to the 2 grant items, then to the psychedelic item, and conclude with the concealed carry ordinance.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1457.316, "end": 1478.058, "text": "So first, I want to establish a practice of hearing from our county partners in public safety because the police and the police, fire, or other public safety aspects of the city are part of a system that includes the county.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1479.56, "end": 1485.434, "text": "And I hope to have the county ambulance folks come at some point, the DA, the sheriff.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1485.866, "end": 1495.024, "text": "But today I'm honored to have Denise Peña, Director of Multnomah County Department of Community Justice, to talk a bit about their work and the intersection of their work and ours.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1495.234, "end": 1498.78, "text": "And we'll have commentary from some city folks about that afterwards.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1499.248, "end": 1499.893, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1501.623, "end": 1502.107, "text": "Before we—.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1502.172, "end": 1505.656, "text": "Oh, sorry, I forgot to ask you to read the— I forgot to ask the clerk to read the first item.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1506.124, "end": 1510.06, "text": "I was going to say, can we read both the first item, which is the minutes, and then I can—.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1510.318, "end": 1512.125, "text": "After we approve that, I can read the next item.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1512.337, "end": 1512.984, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1513.226, "end": 1514.084, "text": "Oh, that's just fine.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1514.844, "end": 1524.353, "text": "Item number 1, June 2, 2026 to June 16, 2026, Community and Public Safety Committee meeting minutes.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1526.652, "end": 1529.463, "text": "And I forget, do we need to vote in accepting the minutes?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1529.867, "end": 1533.906, "text": "So long as there's no objection, they can be approved with unanimous consent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1534.855, "end": 1535.908, "text": "Uh, any objection?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1536.653, "end": 1537.755, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1539.218, "end": 1539.607, "text": "Perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1539.672, "end": 1552.105, "text": "Uh, let's see, item number 2, formerly noticed as item number 4, document number 2026-279, Multnomah County Department of Community Justice.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1552.378, "end": 1558.363, "text": "Point of information, I, I have no concern with the reordering, but don't we have to do the reordering?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1558.95, "end": 1562.528, "text": "Don't we like need to do some sort of unanimous consent on that?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1564.249, "end": 1567.888, "text": "So long as nobody— yes, you can do it by unanimous consent.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1568.176, "end": 1568.561, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1569.186, "end": 1570.212, "text": "Do we have unanimous consent?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1570.533, "end": 1571.174, "text": "Yeah, I just— Yeah, sorry.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1571.35, "end": 1572.761, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1573.514, "end": 1573.867, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1574.572, "end": 1575.903, "text": "Director Peña, please proceed.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1576.656, "end": 1576.993, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1577.057, "end": 1577.394, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1577.682, "end": 1578.468, "text": "Good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1578.564, "end": 1579.542, "text": "My name is Denise Peña.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1579.622, "end": 1583.309, "text": "I am the director of the Department of Community Justice, and I use she and her pronouns.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1583.71, "end": 1589.849, "text": "And I am joined this morning by our DCJ leadership team who will be introducing themselves a little bit later in the presentation.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1590.445, "end": 1596.998, "text": "Thank you to Councilor Novick and the entire Community of Public Safety Committee for inviting DCJ here today.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, 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"These are reviewed during the intake and assessment process, which then drives our responsive case planning.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2182.918, "end": 2187.767, "text": "This includes identifying the criminogenic needs most likely to reduce the risk to reoffend.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2188.554, "end": 2193.933, "text": "POs then introduce skills such as decision-making and problem-solving, as well as referrals to treatment.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2194.816, "end": 2198.685, "text": "This slide shows the path of an individual assigned to supervision within ASD.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2199.536, "end": 2211.171, "text": "Our intake unit will review and connect clients with the transition services unit for access to basic needs that can include housing support, Health and community services, telephone access, or bus tickets.", "speaker": "Tyra 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2249.683, "text": "Supervision is the main component of this work, as outlined here.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2250.486, "end": 2262.067, "text": "This means we have to meet the minimum contact standards in the office, in the field, and develop case plans to address based on their risk level, which is determined through assessments completed at intake.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2262.533, "end": 2275.27, "text": "We address criminogenic needs such as antisocial behavior, pro-criminal attitudes, lack of employment or substance abuse, and responsivity needs such as gender, culture, mental health, and cognition, as outlined on the screen.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2276.571, "end": 2280.409, "text": "All of this work is essential to support public safety by changing behaviors.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2281.469, "end": 2293.578, "text": "In line with this, POs recommend sanctions when conditions of release are violated based on Oregon Administrative Rules, Oregon Revised statute and the requirements of the releasing authority, with interventions also outlined on the screen.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2294.895, "end": 2300.868, "text": "POs also integrate connections to services based on criminogenic need, which impacts their risk to recidivate.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2301.799, "end": 2313.119, "text": "Multnomah County has, has historically supported expanded access to housing and employment services as funding is available, with significant recent decreases due to budget constraints.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2314.003, "end": 2324.818, "text": "But the key services required by ORS include cognitive behavioral services, substance use disorder, mental health treatment, and domestic violence and sex offense treatment.", "speaker": "Tyra 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"speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2362.66, "end": 2380.984, "text": "This is known as the Stabilization and Readiness Program, often referred to as SARP plays a crucial role in connecting clients with acute mental health challenges and housing instability with supervision and services in a day center format, helping to keep the streets of downtown Portland safer during business hours.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2381.882, "end": 2388.742, "text": "This program was established during the pandemic when DCJ saw a need where our clients were so acute that providers were not able to work with them.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2390.056, "end": 2398.294, "text": "Each year, this program supports over 280 of the 450 clients from our mental health specialty unit in response to their identified needs.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2399.271, "end": 2411.081, "text": "To give you more 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"speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2437.777, "end": 2440.33, "text": "For the record, my name is Dr. Kyla Armstrong Romero.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2440.427, "end": 2447.331, "text": "I'm the Director of the Juvenile Services Division, also known as JSD, with the Department of Community Justice, and my pronouns are she and her.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2448.177, "end": 2453.984, "text": "Thank you for having us here today to share the vital work our team carries out every day across Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2454.916, "end": 2460.525, "text": "At JSD, our vision is rooted in community safety and opportunity for young people and their families.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2461.184, "end": 2464.948, "text": "Our division operates a comprehensive spectrum of youth-focused 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"speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2788.45, "end": 2798.752, "text": "To address complex risks and maintain community safety, our JCCs operate in specialty units with dedicated training to supervise specific high-risk populations.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2799.41, "end": 2811.075, "text": "As part of this work, our staff participate in collaborative meetings with the City of Portland to align resources, share relevant insights, and ensure we're providing comprehensive supervision for youth.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2812.342, "end": 2818.808, "text": "Spanning both detention and community supervision, our restorative practices team combines active accountability with skill building.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2819.643, "end": 2831.733, "text": "This team also facilitates restorative justice processes that hold youth accountable directly to harmed parties and the community, such as the partnership with Lutheran Community Services that you heard about in June.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2832.702, "end": 2836.492, "text": "We also have our juvenile detention services that I will provide more detail on.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2839.326, "end": 2845.078, "text": "The Donald E. 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is reviewed using a validated detention screening instrument that assesses public safety risk score, as well as the risk for failure to appear at court appearances to determine whether a youth should be detained or released to a parent or guardian while they await the adjudication process.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2892.69, "end": 2899.225, "text": "Our detention facility prioritizes evidence-based practices to provide developmentally appropriate and trauma-informed care.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2900.156, "end": 2916.18, "text": "Based on our current fiscal year 2027 budget allocation, our facility is staffed for a total of a total capacity of 36 beds, which are allocated as 29 beds for Multnomah County youth and 7 beds reserved for other required holds.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2916.853, "end": 2931.409, "text": "In addition to Multnomah County youth, we're legally required to hold youth under the Interstate Compact, the Oregon Juvenile Department Directors Association, OJDDA, mutual aid agreements, out-of-state runaways, and Oregon Youth Authority sanctioned youth.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2933.124, "end": 2940.931, "text": "I want to provide a little bit of context on our juvenile detention population, length of stay, and allegation trends that impact our resource needs and response.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2942.181, "end": 2948, "text": "These graphs illustrate a significant shift in our detention population for Multnomah County youth over the last 5 years.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2948.674, "end": 2951.96, "text": "On the left, you see the population delineated by allegation type.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2952.537, "end": 2965.557, "text": "Since fiscal year '23, we've seen a steady influx of SB 1008 cases which keeps serious violent Measure 11 allegations in juvenile court rather than them being automatically waived to adult court.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2966.631, "end": 2973.223, "text": "The severity of the allegations are resulting in an increased length of, length of stay, which is shown on the chart on the right.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2974.153, "end": 2977.986, "text": "I mentioned that our detention facility is intended for short-term confinement.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2978.804, "end": 2983.759, "text": "However, today we are seeing an unprecedented increase in youth held for over 500 days.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2984.442, "end": 2989.766, "text": "Approximately 25% of our average daily population falls into this category.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" 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Director Suzanne Brown McBride to review the work of the Director's Office.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 3033.105, "end": 3033.785, "text": "Good morning, councilors.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 3033.833, "end": 3034.9, "text": "I'm Suzanne Brown McBride.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 3034.949, "end": 3037.439, "text": "I'm DCJ's Deputy Director, and I use she/her pronouns.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 3037.928, "end": 3042.56, "text": "I'll present a very brief overview of the work that DCJ's Director's Office for you today.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 3042.784, "end": 3051.696, "text": "Our office provides critical infrastructure to both Adult and Juvenile Services Division, as well as direct client support through our Victim and Survivor Services Unit, and that's what I'll be focusing on here today.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 3052.738, "end": 3061.602, "text": "Within the Director's Office, our Victim and Survivor Services Unit supports crime victims and survivors harmed by justice-involved individuals on supervision with DCJ, that is post-adjudication.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 3062.435, "end": 3081.787, "text": "They provide 3 key services for victims: informing of rights, providing notifications of critical stages in the justice process, both of which are constitutionally mandated here in Oregon, and additional advocacy to help victims and survivors understand their rights and options and identify supportive resources and support them in navigating the complex post-conviction system.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 3082.751, "end": 3098.861, "text": "The team informed over 3,800 victims in the last reporting year of their rights, with nearly 2,500 of those victims opting in to receive notifications, and over 1,000 of those victims were supported with additional advocacy that can include things like safety planning and connection to additional resources.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 3100.017, "end": 3103.068, "text": "We continue to leverage technical advancements as we improve this work.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 3103.71, "end": 3111.546, "text": "For example, a new online platform called Case Companion was launched in this last year to help victims of crime understand their rights and stay informed about the justice process in Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Suzanne Brown McBride" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 3112.14, "end": 3121.335, "text": "This platform is designed for victims pre- and post-adjudication, enables a better handoff between our colleagues in the District Attorney's Office and DCJ once cases are adjudicated.", "speaker": "Suzanne 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with the Portland Police Bureau.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 3152.538, "end": 3155.117, "text": "And I'll highlight a few areas of collaboration specifically.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 3155.806, "end": 3163.001, "text": "One of our most basic but essential functions, or essential areas that we rely on, is a strong partnership with PPB is on law enforcement coordination.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 3163.658, "end": 3171.173, "text": "This involves not only our ability to access police reports, but we also have staff that connect law enforcement to a supervising officer 24/7.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 3171.83, "end": 3179.063, "text": "This allows us to interrupt and intervene, and it is also critical to enforce probation violations, and without this, we cannot conduct our work.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 3179.786, "end": 3183.88, "text": "Gun violence and community safety are challenges that do not stop at jurisdictional lines.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 3184.121, "end": 3192.198, "text": "Over the last several years, DCJ has strengthened partnerships with the city to focus on coordination and responses within City of Portland entities.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 3192.872, "end": 3201.109, "text": "On the adult side, our probation officers work directly alongside the Portland Police Bureau's focused intervention team that aims to reduce gun violence in real time.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 3201.702, "end": 3210.76, "text": "During the recent summer cooldown mission, our POs were able to provide support and contributed to multiple firearm seizures and identifying robbery suspects leading to swift arrest.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 3211.401, "end": 3221.869, "text": "Unfortunately, with budget constraints, our ability to authorize overtime for these type of missions is increasingly limited, but we're appreciative the POs are able to flex schedules to support missions such as these.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 3222.783, "end": 3230.897, "text": "We have a dedicated PO that covers a sex trafficking caseload, and he works and coordinates closely with PPB's Human Trafficking Unit.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 3231.924, "end": 3241.164, "text": "DCJ also participates alongside PPB and other criminal justice partners on the multidisciplinary divert to respond to high-lethality domestic violence cases that Suzanne referenced.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 3242.015, "end": 3268.335, "text": "Both of our adult and juvenile staff are actively engaged with the community and participate in Portland events, whether it's our JCC's presence at the Wear Orange event in June and partnering with OVP during Youth Violent Prevention Week to speak directly to students across Portland Public Schools, or our PO's presence during high-profile gun violence or homicide trials and at community celebrations like Good in the Hood and the Mississippi Street Fair, we are partners in supporting a safe environment for all.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 3268.977, "end": 3276.915, "text": "In that light, we're happy to participate in the Safe Blocks Program National Night Out and join the event at Director Park last Friday.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 3277.46, "end": 3284.259, "text": "These are great opportunities to connect with our local public safety partners and community members to share our vision of community safety through positive change.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 3284.837, "end": 3292.86, "text": "And as you can see, our collaboration is constant, dynamic, and we are deeply appreciative of our partners with OVP team and PPB command staff.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 3294.224, "end": 3298.219, "text": "Before we close, I'll briefly discuss impacts across the public safety system.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 3298.973, "end": 3305.439, "text": "DCJ sits at the end of the public safety continuum after arrests, prosecution, and adjudication has taken place.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 3306.274, "end": 3315.676, "text": "This means that the work of the Portland Police, the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office, and the courts directly impacts the level of service and corresponding workload that will be required from DCJ.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 3315.74, "end": 3316.029, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 3316.687, "end": 3320.858, "text": "As conditions change and charges increase, so do the requirements for our staff.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 3321.676, "end": 3338.727, "text": "The length of time that DCJ engages with justice-involved individuals and crime victims through juvenile pre-adjudication support and juvenile and adult community supervision is the longest in the criminal justice continuum, ranging from 90 days to 3 years, and we even have some limited cases that have lifetime supervision.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 3339.722, "end": 3349.433, "text": "We are seeing increased needs for our core legally mandated services We do not have the corresponding increase in resources to fund and staff the route services required.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 3349.513, "end": 3352.051, "text": "Instead, we see our resources continue to decrease.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 3353.03, "end": 3360.803, "text": "Housing and shelter is another area that DCJ has historically been able to allocate resources to respond to the housing needs of our clients on supervision.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 3361.461, "end": 3367.387, "text": "However, these resources are increasingly being reduced and are compounded by reductions across the county and the city.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 3368.126, "end": 3378.556, "text": "For example, in FY25, we reduced almost $2 million in housing contracts specifically designated for our clients as a result of state reductions in our Senate Bill 1145 funding.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 3379.36, "end": 3386.685, "text": "To respond to these dynamics in a time of constraint, collaboration is needed more than ever, and we are happy to be here today in advance of this collaboration.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 3387.572, "end": 3391.925, "text": "We are happy to take any questions or hear your feedback on how we can further strengthen this partnership.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 3392.236, "end": 3392.874, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 3395.277, "end": 3395.715, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 3395.783, "end": 3396.591, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 3399.289, "end": 3400.122, "text": "Um, thank you so much.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 3400.186, "end": 3401.436, "text": "Thanks for this presentation.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 3401.564, "end": 3403.919, "text": "It was really helpful to hear about all the things that you're working on.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 3404.576, "end": 3419.782, "text": "Um, I was curious on the slide about the DeLong facility, is there any information with disaggregated data around which, uh, like demographics are being held longer, or is there any difference at all that you've seen?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 3420.07, "end": 3421.16, "text": "Is that publicly available?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 3422.041, "end": 3432.529, "text": "We can absolutely provide the council with more data We've provided that to our subcommittee, our Juvenile Justice Steering Committee, and so we can definitely— we have that data available.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 3434.21, "end": 3444.514, "text": "Yeah, I'd be very curious to see that because I suspect that we are seeing youth of color, Black youth, being held a lot longer in those spaces than others.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 3444.772, "end": 3449.442, "text": "And I'm just curious, like, what is being worked on to address that?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 3450.005, "end": 3451.406, "text": "I'm assuming there's a disparity.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 3451.455, "end": 3457.61, "text": "My staffer recently went to a juvenile detention facility and did a tour and had those discussions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 3457.658, "end": 3466.552, "text": "And obviously a lot of what we heard back was that a lot of the folks that are being held there, it's also largely crimes of poverty and things like that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 3467.434, "end": 3470.623, "text": "So I would just like to know more details on that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 3471.184, "end": 3475.895, "text": "Do you know off the top of your head if there is a disparity, even if you don't have specific numbers?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 3476.344, "end": 3482.337, "text": "There is a disparity, and I had the pleasure of being the person who co-facilitated that tour with your staff.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 3482.578, "end": 3483.267, "text": "Oh, wonderful.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 3483.443, "end": 3490.648, "text": "I had the opportunity to And so I, I can say certainly there is a disparity.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 3492.413, "end": 3492.591, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 3493.368, "end": 3500.358, "text": "Um, is there anything that we as the city can do to sort of help address that from a policy or funding perspective?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3501.365, "end": 3518.05, "text": "I think that, you know, with the conversations that are currently happening with youth and gun violence, and, um, especially the last, you know, 2 years, weekend, um, 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"text": "However, going through the process takes a long time.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 3557.027, "end": 3563.783, "text": "So notably last year, we had a kid who was there for over 920 days waiting for their case.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 3564.152, "end": 3566.047, "text": "To, to move through the court system.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 3566.721, "end": 3570.157, "text": "And so I— it's, it's tough.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 3570.398, "end": 3578.282, "text": "Um, we've had to piece together things for kids because we are truly meant to be a short-term detention center.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 3578.844, "end": 3583.355, "text": "And so we don't have funding for like college-level courses, things like that.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 3583.403, "end": 3589.729, "text": "We're only required to, uh, do kind of the, the basic K through 12 education.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 3589.842, "end": 3598.936, "text": "And so trying to figure out when we have kids who graduate Last year we had 6 kids graduate while in detention, which is— we think great, yay.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 3599.368, "end": 3608.169, "text": "However, the fact that they're there long enough and some of them came in with 8th grade reading levels and then completed, that's quite significant.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3608.298, "end": 3619.711, "text": "So I think having more conversations, more targeted partnerships, especially with the city— we have really great partnerships with OVP and Ceasefire team.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3619.968, "end": 3627.117, "text": "And so just continuing 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"Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 4167.649, "end": 4174.664, "text": "They receive one risk score based on the public safety checklist, but they may be on probation, post-prison supervision.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 4174.728, "end": 4175.755, "text": "They may be on for a theft.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 4176.588, "end": 4182.027, "text": "So typically what we do when we look at crime types is we look at the most serious.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 4182.444, "end": 4187.786, "text": "So putting it within the 2 buckets of a person or sort of non-person, that's information that we could compile.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 4188.364, "end": 4189.84, "text": "Okay, that makes sense.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 4190.305, "end": 4194.267, "text": "In the context, I mean, I know we talked in the juvenile sense on 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"text": "So I think that there are— I have an interest there and I'd like to follow up with you on that, but I'll leave it at that for now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 4530.732, "end": 4531.325, "text": "Thank you, Chair Novick.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 4531.373, "end": 4537.084, "text": "This is a table full of— every one of us were victim advocates in prior lives, so we appreciate that absolutely.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 4537.549, "end": 4543.966, "text": "And I would also say that our Victim and Survivor Services really works actively with our restorative practices programs and our restorative justice programs.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 4544.287, "end": 4547.189, "text": "Like, that's one absolute avenue, but it would be great to continue talking about that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 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"Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-633", "start": 4680.067, "end": 4680.644, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-634", "start": 4681.558, "end": 4686.611, "text": "I want to thank you for bringing this presentation to all of us and to the public.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-635", "start": 4687.414, "end": 4695.74, "text": "I don't think that people really understand the disparities, particularly in youth, that are happening.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-636", "start": 4697.136, "end": 4703.184, "text": "I had the honor of being a county commissioner, and it is not surprising, these numbers.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-637", "start": 4703.297, "end": 4705.928, "text": "I've seen them, the juvenile numbers.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 4706.136, "end": 4706.505, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4706.844, 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Lipstick is because I think this level of disparity, it, um, it should signal that there is a call for a deeper yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4787.706, "end": 4816.378, "text": "It suggests to me that factors such as the socioeconomic disparities, differences in policing practices and school practices of Black youth, and/or potential biases at the various decision points— who's arrested, who's detained, who's screened, and who's sentenced to the many years that Black youth and Black men are sentenced to.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4816.924, "end": 4824.935, "text": "These are the things that are contributing to the unequal outcomes of what you see at the Donald E. Long and what you see in our prison system.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4825.513, "end": 4826.685, "text": "It's not just one thing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4826.733, "end": 4839.134, "text": "It's, it's, it's, it's an entire ecosystem of our, um, of, of our different public agencies that that have contact with youth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4839.794, "end": 4841.517, "text": "And I don't think we talk enough about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4841.565, "end": 4845.043, "text": "And I think that is something that needs to be addressed in LPSIC.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4845.913, "end": 4861.626, "text": "I think they need to talk about those things because it's easy to say that the police are policing Black neighborhoods more than they're policing white neighborhoods or underserved neighborhoods, but no one is talking about those folks when you talk about the DA's office.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4862.371, "end": 4862.517, "text": "Who—.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4862.517, "end": 4862.679, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4862.78, "end": 4863.566, "text": "Who are they charging?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4864.803, "end": 4868.126, "text": "What sentences are the judges giving to Black youth?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4868.447, "end": 4875.785, "text": "So they're the ones— there's a disconnect, and there's always a finger pointing at police.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4876.283, "end": 4887.056, "text": "But we have to go into the entire system and see where those disparities are coming from and why Black youth are being despaired in this fashion and not other youth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4887.763, "end": 4888.485, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4889.543, "end": 4899.819, "text": "I just want to say that I appreciate the work that you do, and I know that you're understaffed and you don't have enough resources to do those things that you need to do to be successful.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4900.509, "end": 4912.997, "text": "But I would like to— I'm going to get on the agenda at LPSIC because I want to talk about some of those things that we can do collectively together.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4913.109, "end": 4913.238, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4914.537, "end": 4919.111, "text": "Even through like ceasefire, they're doing a lot of good work in this area.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4919.512, "end": 4934.871, "text": "And so I want to make sure if that's, if that's what we need to do, and I'm trying to alert the city administrator so that we, in our next budget cycle, we can do some things that might change the game.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4934.936, "end": 4939.686, "text": "Because just like my counselors talked about, we're talking about mental health services that they don't get.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4939.734, "end": 4939.991, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4941.019, "end": 4943.973, "text": "Those are all things that happen in Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4944.471, "end": 4947.233, "text": "But I think we need to talk about the entire system.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4947.361, "end": 4961.684, "text": "And since I haven't been privy to those conversations and what that looks like, I'd like to be able to put that on the desk of LPSIC since everybody is around that table and talk about how can we partner better.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4962.246, "end": 4966.051, "text": "I just had a conversation with a guy last night who works at Donald I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4966.163, "end": 4966.982, "text": "And he was attacked.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4967.031, "end": 4980.584, "text": "He got put on, um, uh, not probation, but he, he is on medical leave because a 13-year-old attacked him and it messed his arm up and, and all sorts of things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4980.681, "end": 4981.821, "text": "His back is messed up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4982.865, "end": 4990.958, "text": "This is behind a 13-year-old who had amazing strength, and, um, he was trying to be helpful.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" 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the situation that you're talking about.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 5017.373, "end": 5025.627, "text": "I didn't offer what we do in detention as it relates to mental health services, and we do a robust amount of things.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 5025.804, "end": 5027.319, "text": "We partner with Corrections Health.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 5027.754, "end": 5037.244, "text": "But what I will tell you is that in some cases that we— the kids that we have currently, some of them don't need to be in detention.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 5037.438, "end": 5041.915, "text": "They need acute psychiatric inpatient care.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 5042.607, "end": 5046.441, "text": "And we have, we have kids who've been denied Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 5046.537, "end": 5046.842, "text": "Or such.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 5047.435, "end": 5056.403, "text": "And so our facility is not equipped to provide psychiatric mental healthcare for kids, right?", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 5056.499, "end": 5061.568, "text": "And so a 13-year-old, and honestly, we have, like I mentioned before, an 11-year-old.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 5062.194, "end": 5068.851, "text": "And so when you have these kids, the kids at that age are not the problem.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 5069.573, "end": 5078.417, "text": "They have, many of them have been victims themselves And it's the situation that we're in is very unique, I think.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 5078.626, "end": 5078.835, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 5079.124, "end": 5084.712, "text": "I think that there does, we do have to have a conversation about the resources that do exist in the community.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 5085.225, "end": 5092.547, "text": "We talk about OYA and the kids who succeed when they go to Camp Tillamook or they are sent away from Portland.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 5092.997, "end": 5098.055, "text": "Yeah, they succeed because they're taken out of the environment, but then they're brought back.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 5098.697, "end": 5108.787, "text": "And when they're brought right back into the environment, they're more susceptible to fall into the behaviors that led them to OYA in the first place.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 5109.445, "end": 5120.017, "text": "And I will say that the lack of independent living— some kids may not need to go back home to parents or guardians.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 5120.225, "end": 5120.707, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 5121.412, "end": 5124.268, "text": "Some kids, that may not be the environment for them.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 5125.086, "end": 5133.521, "text": "And the lack of true independent living supports and resources in Multnomah County, in the state of Oregon, period.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 5134.147, "end": 5135.093, "text": "There, there are none.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 5135.285, "end": 5138.701, "text": "There are virtually none that focus on independent living skills.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 5139.134, "end": 5148.804, "text": "They will give you some skills, teach you how to write a resume or do your laundry, but long-term solutions, we don't have them, and that's what's needed.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 5149.718, "end": 5153.085, "text": "Yeah, and so I'm glad, you know, this this incident happened yesterday.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 5153.149, "end": 5153.213, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 5153.373, "end": 5157.813, "text": "So I was just minding my own business, going to get some dinner, and he came to my lap.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 5158.198, "end": 5159.656, "text": "Councilor, this is what happened to me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 5160.217, "end": 5161.452, "text": "And we started talking about that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 5161.5, "end": 5165.603, "text": "But I'd heard about this kid over the last couple months as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 5166.068, "end": 5178.458, "text": "And I was not happy to see him in this hand brace and all of that because he truly, truly thought he was making some inroads with the kid.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 5179.836, "end": 5187.961, "text": "Was really upset, not necessarily about for himself, but he wanted to make sure that the kid was being cared for and that he had all the resources necessary.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 5188.025, "end": 5188.955, "text": "And he said, we don't.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 5189.387, "end": 5197.512, "text": "I have referred him before to Chairwoman Jessica Vega Peterson because of the mental health aspect of it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 5198.185, "end": 5207.836, "text": "And I hope the kid can get some really good help going forward because this is this is serious.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 5208.366, "end": 5226.724, "text": "And in summary, I think that the data reflects a substantial inequality in outcomes for Black youth within the juvenile justice system, indicating that they are disproportionately impacted by confinement relative to their peers and in general population.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 5226.774, "end": 5232.539, "text": "And I know this particular kid is in— he's in lockdown for like 7 to 9 hours.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 5232.638, "end": 5233.115, "text": "That's what I heard.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 5233.164, "end": 5233.214, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 5233.967, "end": 5235.171, "text": "And that doesn't help.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 5235.764, "end": 5236.261, "text": "Not at all.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 5236.791, "end": 5251.438, "text": "And coming in— and the youth has been here since April— and when you're there on a charge and then you assault staff or other people, then you're likely to pick up more charges.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 5251.551, "end": 5251.903, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 5251.952, "end": 5257.535, "text": "And so it's like a never-ending cycle, and our system is just not set up for that.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 5258.834, "end": 5259.331, "text": "Well, thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 5259.492, "end": 5267.819, "text": "If there's anything else that I can do, I am going to have my staff look at the schedule to see if I can actually get on there, see if there's some things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 5267.868, "end": 5279.985, "text": "And I'll check back in with our folks and Stephanie Howard to see if there's some things that we can do that might help to increase the number of resources that we have.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 5281.743, "end": 5285.492, "text": "But I think we can do a little bit better with a lot more coordination.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 5286.876, "end": 5287.584, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 5288.324, "end": 5288.469, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 5289.916, "end": 5293.529, "text": "I know we're running way behind, but this is an important conversation.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 5294.091, "end": 5297.382, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 5297.527, "end": 5297.768, "text": "Hi.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 5297.944, "end": 5300.048, "text": "So thank you, Director Piña.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 5300.112, "end": 5300.754, "text": "Great to see you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 5301.22, "end": 5304.833, "text": "I'm glad my colleagues spent a lot of time on the youth side of it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 5304.993, "end": 5307.145, "text": "I've been to OIA, I've been to your facilities.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 5307.241, "end": 5310.003, "text": "I've met a lot of pretty remarkable youth, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 5310.131, "end": 5311.4, "text": "Really tough circumstances.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 5311.577, "end": 5323.142, "text": "And when you go just past the surface, you also get some pretty remarkable reintegration stories or behavioral reset stories that I just think are important.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 5323.767, "end": 5330.855, "text": "So I'm not going to spend time today on youth because so many of my other colleagues— I do want to bring it back more on the adult side.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 5331.095, "end": 5343.154, "text": "So, um, Director Peña, can we— can you tell us a little bit more again about— I think I got this right— Senate Bill 1145 funding and what that means for your organization and for the, I think, the county jail as well.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 5343.907, "end": 5347.129, "text": "Yes, actually, I'm going to ask Tira to speak about the 1145 funding.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 5347.193, "end": 5347.434, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 5348.075, "end": 5352.5, "text": "So, in it, community corrections used to be state, state-run.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 5353.269, "end": 5361.189, "text": "In 1996, Senate Bill 1145 was passed, and that allowed for local counties to be able to have their own community corrections.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 5361.365, "end": 5369.944, "text": "And so all but 2 counties, community corrections is locally controlled, which means that is ran by the county to meet the needs of their population.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 5370.621, "end": 5377.528, "text": "We are still— we have to adhere to the State Department of Corrections Oregon Administrative Rules, our intergovernmental agreement.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 5378.368, "end": 5386.014, "text": "We receive funding from the Department of Corrections to provide supervision, sanctions, and services based on our forecasted population.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 5386.289, "end": 5392.206, "text": "That's why I mentioned what cases are funded by the state and which ones aren't.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 5392.558, "end": 5398.292, "text": "So the state covers felonies, drug enforcement misdemeanors, 2 specific domestic violence—.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 5398.292, "end": 5400.011, "text": "When you say covers, you mean they fund you to do—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 5400.011, "end": 5401.263, "text": "They fund it, yes, they fund.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 5402.404, "end": 5404.99, "text": "And then a sex abuse 3 misdemeanor.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 5405.295, "end": 5409.343, "text": "Any other misdemeanors are not funded by the state.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 5409.407, "end": 5411.929, "text": "So they are not covered under the Senate Bill 1145.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 5412.057, "end": 5413.053, "text": "I'm gonna pause you right there, Director.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 5413.101, "end": 5420.987, "text": "So the way I wanna make sure I'm interpreting this is, so you're a convicted felon, you leave the state pen, and now you're on parole.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 5421.18, "end": 5429.038, "text": "Probation, and we're asking Multnomah County to do the job that the state is saying this person is now allowed to go be on parole.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 5429.152, "end": 5429.848, "text": "Is that the right term?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 5430.752, "end": 5432.256, "text": "Post-prison supervision, most of the time.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 5432.321, "end": 5433.162, "text": "That's the nice way to say it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 5433.339, "end": 5436.8, "text": "Okay, so now we're— but we're going to do it at a local level.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 5436.897, "end": 5445.315, "text": "And I— the reason I'm highlighting this is the county taking on what is a state decision that that person is reintegrating into the community.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 5446, "end": 5446.342, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 5446.489, "end": 5446.538, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 5446.688, "end": 5447.925, "text": "All right, please keep going.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 5448.198, "end": 5456.118, "text": "Yes, they get sentenced to time in prison, and then they receive a post-prison reentry amount of years afterwards.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 5456.455, "end": 5467.363, "text": "The state does fund us for that post-prison reentry timeframe, 1 year to 3 years, depending on the crime of conviction, length of time that they served in prison.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 5467.54, "end": 5467.685, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 5468.295, "end": 5473.051, "text": "So we are funded based on risk, which is why we reference it often.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 5473.79, "end": 5492.123, "text": "Greater funding from the state for individuals that are at a higher risk to recidivate, because we need to focus more resources on those who pose the highest risk, uh, less for those who pose a lower risk, with the idea that we shouldn't be involving ourselves more than necessary in those who pose a low risk.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 5492.22, "end": 5500.558, "text": "We need to get them referred to community treatment resources and sort of move them through the system as quickly and with as much of a A touch.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 5501.312, "end": 5505.193, "text": "So the Senate Bill 1145 funds very basic services.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 5505.29, "end": 5509.845, "text": "It pays for our parole and probation officers, a handful of managers, some of our records technicians.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 5510.455, "end": 5515.219, "text": "It's unable to fund programs like SARP, some of the more specialized programming.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 5515.652, "end": 5533.078, "text": "That is where county general fund allows us to do more in Multnomah County than many of our other partner community corrections agencies throughout the state because they don't receive additional when I was at the county, we generally understood it, and I'm gonna ask you if this remains true.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 5533.142, "end": 5542.343, "text": "We generally understood it though that the state funding for 1145 funding never kept up with the requirement that you all have to perform those duties.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 5542.455, "end": 5543.997, "text": "Is that still an accurate statement?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 5544.061, "end": 5545.747, "text": "Yes, that is still an accurate statement.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 5546.052, "end": 5560.988, "text": "Okay, so if I were to trend line from, let's say, 1998, so 2 years after it was enacted, I'd probably see a DCJ budget that goes steeper than an 1145 budget if I were to look at that 30 years of that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 5562.335, "end": 5567.482, "text": "Meaning that the state requires you, this is the epitome of an unfunded mandate, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 5567.562, "end": 5569.646, "text": "It's just a partially funded mandate at this point.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 5570.191, "end": 5570.496, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 5570.56, "end": 5572.981, "text": "Right, that's how we're approaching this role that we have.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 5573.494, "end": 5573.622, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 5573.975, "end": 5574.215, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 5574.44, "end": 5582.039, "text": "Last long session, we brought forth the like cost per day that it costs to run community corrections and it was $1,880 per day.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 5582.152, "end": 5587.259, "text": "Is what it costs, $18.80 that it costs to have someone on community supervision.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 5587.307, "end": 5587.74, "text": "Statewide?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 5587.949, "end": 5589.459, "text": "Statewide, that's the average.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 5589.539, "end": 5591.386, "text": "We are not funded at $18.18 per day.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 5591.45, "end": 5595.208, "text": "I think we came through getting funded at under $16, like $15 and some change.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5595.337, "end": 5595.546, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5595.963, "end": 5601.488, "text": "So we do a cost study every 6 years, which informs the state how much it costs to do this work.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5601.664, "end": 5603.816, "text": "And what it costs is $18.18 per day.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5603.865, "end": 5604.202, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5604.298, "end": 5606.081, "text": "That's not what we're funded at.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5606.739, "end": 5613.785, "text": "So we're running on, Cost of living to do this work from multiple years back.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5614.041, "end": 5614.266, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5614.41, "end": 5615.598, "text": "There haven't been increases.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 5616.015, "end": 5616.384, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 5616.737, "end": 5623.475, "text": "The other thing I would add to that is that even though the cost study is mandated, to fund to the cost study as funding is not.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5623.989, "end": 5631.289, "text": "So that is why we have historically continued to be underfunded, even based on their own cost study of how much it costs to do the work at the local jurisdiction.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5631.337, "end": 5638.539, "text": "So Multnomah County taxpayers, they pay their state taxes, which funds the state penitentiary and that system.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5639.613, "end": 5646.22, "text": "They pay their state taxes that is in theory supposed to fund 1145, and then they pay their property taxes to Multnomah County.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5646.268, "end": 5655.376, "text": "And what Multnomah County's had to do is band-aid the state 1145 funding with additional Multnomah County taxes to not let the hole get bigger, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5655.633, "end": 5657.814, "text": "So I'm painting a little bit of an illustration here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5658.455, "end": 5679.89, "text": "Now, Director Piña, a couple years ago, So you and I had a conversation and I, we talked about the availability of jail beds for your officers to use as, I'll use layman's colloquial, just like the backstop, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5680.439, "end": 5686.315, "text": "Somebody's out on probation, parole and probation supervision, whatever the right word is, they need some time.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5686.857, "end": 5710.67, "text": "And that practice has changed significantly in the past decade based on availability of beds, meaning there was a time maybe when an officer could refer somebody or send somebody back to jail here locally, locally in the Multnomah County Jail, as a behavioral correctional kind of moment for a certain amount of time because they violated something.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5711.731, "end": 5714.772, "text": "As the jail beds squeeze has squeezed the whole system.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5714.821, "end": 5721.761, "text": "That has also affected how your officers are able to use that, like, most last step, I guess.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5722.211, "end": 5724, "text": "Is that still an accurate statement?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5724.048, "end": 5724.644, "text": "Can we talk a little?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5724.709, "end": 5726.207, "text": "I don't know what the right terms of what this is called.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5726.255, "end": 5734.14, "text": "I'm just remembering this conversation in one of our visits and what its impact is on how you work with supervised persons.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5734.463, "end": 5734.721, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5735.512, "end": 5740.242, "text": "And so we do get $1,145 can be applied towards jail beds.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5740.34, "end": 5752.345, "text": "And historically, when we received our $1,145 funding, It was a split between DCJ for the probation piece, for the Sheriff's Office for the confinement piece, where we do essentially pay for a certain amount of beds allotted for our clients.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5752.668, "end": 5756.637, "text": "And then Lipsync actually gets a small percentage of 1145 funding as well.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5757.685, "end": 5760.928, "text": "So 2 things in terms of a change of practice.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5760.976, "end": 5768.825, "text": "So I would even say even pre the pandemic, we started looking in our own kind of research in terms of what changes long-term behavior.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5769.272, "end": 5772.273, "text": "Like Tyra was talking about, and we know that jail does not do that.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5773.203, "end": 5774.695, "text": "It is certainly a confinement model.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5774.808, "end": 5780.359, "text": "There are folks that do need to be removed from the community when there is an imminent public or community or victim safety risk.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5780.744, "end": 5791.142, "text": "But we walked away from putting people in jail for technical violations, for not reporting, for drug use, where there wasn't any other kind of harm to it.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5791.254, "end": 5800.194, "text": "And so I think internally we made that shift that we were going to preserve jail beds for those that are again, posing that imminent public safety concern.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5800.804, "end": 5807.87, "text": "And that does couple, though, with the fact that jail is expensive, and that is a resource that we want to preserve for more of our higher risk.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5808.191, "end": 5814.117, "text": "A change that we did in FY27 is that we actually did a swap with the sheriff.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5814.598, "end": 5818.774, "text": "So now she is receiving what historically she would get from 1145.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 5818.886, "end": 5832.08, "text": "So DCJ gave our county general funds to the sheriff, and now we are receiving the entirety of and this is for a couple of reasons.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 5832.08, "end": 5834.64, "text": "This better aligns with the community corrections plan.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 5835.2, "end": 5844.17, "text": "We still do have the number of beds that are allotted for our clients, whether they are serving a jail sanction or whether they are serving a revocation that's going to happen here locally.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 5845.6, "end": 5850.82, "text": "So, but unfortunately, what that does do for DCJ is that it does make us more susceptible to the impact of susceptible, the budget cuts.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 5850.82, "end": 5850.86, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 5852.01, "end": 5858.338, "text": "If there are additional 1145 cuts, then it would be DCJ needing to absorb all of that reduction.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5858.451, "end": 5863.237, "text": "And that's not going to be a 45-35 split like we have historically done.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5863.51, "end": 5864.57, "text": "I hope that answers the question.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5864.618, "end": 5865.292, "text": "That's very helpful.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5865.501, "end": 5880.384, "text": "I mean, it's challenging because you're asking Multnomah County, asking Portland to go along with you on this idea that, you know, maybe in your words, I think the less impact like you violated drug use, et cetera, et cetera.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5882.061, "end": 5889.238, "text": "And yet since 2020, right, my district, it's certainly representing downtown, Old Town.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5889.834, "end": 5898.991, "text": "We are constantly facing the person who has more charges than we know what to do with, and a whole lot of people who get told there's nothing that can be done.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5899.25, "end": 5903.456, "text": "But then you find out that they're on probation, they're on parole, they violate a thing, and no one has ever No.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5903.537, "end": 5909.057, "text": "No one's ever put that backstop to them because we've applied a different standard or a different perspective.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5910.56, "end": 5929.962, "text": "And while I think I used to probably fall in this category too of thinking like drug use is a personal, you know, it's a personal assault to your own body, but it's— we've learned in these last 6 years that definitely has a much deeper community impact, particularly the way it has yes.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5930.156, "end": 5934.477, "text": "Concentrated in this, I'll say, this new era of drug use.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5934.671, "end": 5944.637, "text": "And it's hard to hear about a person who's on probation, continues to make violations, and then isn't held accountable in any way that the public sees as meaningful.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5946.107, "end": 5949.444, "text": "And so is this the right approach?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5949.525, "end": 5964.621, "text": "What are the types of things that these, these, Folks who are kind of on their own, they're being supervised, but they continue to have the, I'll say, low-level stuff that has larger impacts eventually or leads to larger impacts.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5964.702, "end": 5966.129, "text": "How do we work with those kind of clients?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5966.178, "end": 5970.14, "text": "Because that's what the community talks about right now, of seeing like no solution.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5971.295, "end": 5973.718, "text": "May I just— Councilor, I need to interrupt.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5974.103, "end": 5979.878, "text": "We are— I really appreciate the fact that my colleagues are really interested in DCJ's work, but we're way behind schedule.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 5979.942, "end": 5983.821, "text": "I'd like to have a bit of a reaction from the city folks that interact with DCJ.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 5983.901, "end": 5991.865, "text": "So Director Peña, could you try giving a short answer to the councilor's, you know, very large question?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5993.099, "end": 5993.996, "text": "I will do my best.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5994.445, "end": 5999.076, "text": "And I actually realized that I did not answer a question that you asked earlier in terms of current jail capacity issues.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5999.444, "end": 6011.9, "text": "So we do— we are a part of when the jail hits, you know, capacity issues and at yellow alert, where we look at the population that are serving a local sanction for us and then we determine which of those individuals can be released early.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 6012.735, "end": 6017.646, "text": "Again, probably pre-pandemic, we could probably contribute a lot to be a relief valve for the jail.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 6018.015, "end": 6025.045, "text": "That is no longer the case because, again, if a client is currently in custody, it is because they are there for a community or a victim safety issue.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 6025.414, "end": 6031.481, "text": "And so we will not be releasing folks early or recommending that we reduce a sanction in order to help the jail population.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 6032.476, "end": 6037.931, "text": "To your point, Councilwoman, about the accountability piece, we do hold folks accountable.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 6037.995, "end": 6040.61, "text": "There are different varieties of interventions that we can apply.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 6041.139, "end": 6046.32, "text": "There are noncustodial sanctions, I'm sorry, such as community service.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 6046.914, "end": 6052.063, "text": "But to your point, you're right, that is not something that is typically visible to the community or really see the impacts.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 6052.448, "end": 6059.122, "text": "And we are more than happy to follow up with you or the council on more specifics about what sanctions may or may not look like.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 6059.266, "end": 6065.892, "text": "Last piece, do you know how many out of the 36 Counties in Oregon, how many have a similar approach?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 6066.342, "end": 6067.609, "text": "Is this a metro thing only?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6067.673, "end": 6068.989, "text": "This is a Multnomah County thing only?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6069.23, "end": 6075.103, "text": "Or 36 out of 36 counties are now kind of doing that the same way?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6075.375, "end": 6077.124, "text": "It depends on jail bed capacity.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6077.317, "end": 6078.761, "text": "Each county's pretty unique.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6078.905, "end": 6086.736, "text": "I previously worked in Jackson County for most of my career, and there wasn't a day that went by there where forced releases weren't part of my experience.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 6086.784, "end": 6088.276, "text": "Oh, sorry, I don't mean the matrixing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 6088.533, "end": 6093.599, "text": "I meant the not using jail for the outcome.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 6093.76, "end": 6101.791, "text": "That specifically informs those decisions that each agency is having to make, how they determine who gets put into jail.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 6102.576, "end": 6108.924, "text": "Evidence-based practices inform that we should not be using incarceration for technical violations.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 6109.549, "end": 6115.224, "text": "We have in Multnomah County, one of our 3 top priorities is engaging people into treatment.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 6115.32, "end": 6121.372, "text": "And so we've been doing incredibly targeted efforts to make sure that our POs are engaging people into treatment.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 6121.822, "end": 6127.49, "text": "If substance use is going untreated, it's going to exhibit itself in behaviors.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 6127.843, "end": 6130.38, "text": "Those behaviors are going to result in new crimes.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 6130.733, "end": 6133.27, "text": "Those new crimes are not technical violations.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6133.848, "end": 6138.89, "text": "And so working with them along the way, we want to get ahead of the new crimes occurring.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6139.388, "end": 6148.189, "text": "And so we are trying our hardest refusal to do so escalates the responses to that violation.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6148.639, "end": 6153.153, "text": "But really connecting people to the services they need is how we can prevent the crimes from happening.", "speaker": "Tyra Hubbard" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6153.683, "end": 6154.582, "text": "Thank you for coming over here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6156.028, "end": 6156.911, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6157.297, "end": 6177.497, "text": "Um, I'd like, uh, there's Chief Hughes or Director Howard to come up, or whoever they would like to designate, to just talk briefly from the city's perspective about the thank you so much, councilors.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6177.593, "end": 6179.148, "text": "For the record, my name is Stephanie Howard.", "speaker": "Stephanie Howard" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6179.196, "end": 6184.806, "text": "I'm the Director of Community Safety here for the City of Portland, and Deputy Chief Hughes is joining me.", "speaker": "Stephanie Howard" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6185.367, "end": 6186.28, "text": "I can be very brief.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6186.344, "end": 6194.454, "text": "I think, you know, much of the information that you shared or that was shared today is information that we are continually discussing with our partners.", "speaker": "Stephanie Howard" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6194.583, "end": 6195.737, "text": "We are meeting regularly.", "speaker": "Stephanie Howard" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6195.865, "end": 6218.416, "text": "We are I think this will be probably our 3rd meeting this week, and as incidents arise, we're continually looking at how we can maximize resources, not duplicate efforts, make sure that we're identifying gaps and using whatever tools we have available to try to provide support to the folks that are within their purview and also those that are sort of on the fringes of that.", "speaker": "Stephanie Howard" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6221.204, "end": 6222.688, "text": "Thank you, Councilor, for having me up today.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6222.753, "end": 6223.422, "text": "My name is Brian Hughes.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6223.47, "end": 6224.155, "text": "I'm the Deputy Chief.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6224.3, "end": 6225.935, "text": "For the Portland Police Bureau.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6226.21, "end": 6228.801, "text": "I just wanna thank Director Peña and her team.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6229.351, "end": 6231.78, "text": "She and I are now at yet another table together.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6232.58, "end": 6236.572, "text": "Her team is constantly in the same spaces that we are at.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6236.781, "end": 6249.879, "text": "I interact with Director Peña at the LPSIC meetings, at the deflection executive policy team, and just a year ago, Thank you.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6250.028, "end": 6253.885, "text": "I came across one of her parole and probation officers at a National Night Out party.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6253.966, "end": 6257.261, "text": "So while they were there at Director's Park last week, that's not new for them.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6257.389, "end": 6261.392, "text": "They're constantly out in the community and interacting with us and supporting us.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6262.233, "end": 6263.931, "text": "And I just appreciate the work.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6264.27, "end": 6269.947, "text": "And I would also like to highlight when Director Peña said that their team comes in at the end.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6270.094, "end": 6273.178, "text": "While that's true, they're not out looking for people to supervise.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6274.967, "end": 6285.442, "text": "I would like to highlight that the people that they do supervise Oftentimes it's not well captured, the amount of crime that doesn't happen as a result of their engagement with those people.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6285.491, "end": 6287.06, "text": "So that's an important highlight.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6287.157, "end": 6296.057, "text": "And while they do come at the end, I would say that they also come at the beginning in preventing people from continuing on criminal paths.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6296.445, "end": 6296.879, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6296.944, "end": 6298.408, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6298.778, "end": 6305.02, "text": "And I want to say, I was talking to a national criminal justice researcher a couple of weeks I think we have a few minutes left.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6305.02, "end": 6305.02, "text": "I think we have a few minutes left.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6305.02, "end": 6305.02, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6305.02, "end": 6305.02, "text": "I think we have a couple of minutes left.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6305.02, "end": 6305.02, "text": "I want to thank all of our presenters.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6305.02, "end": 6310.68, "text": "I mean, there were a lot of folks who said, well, of course I know about Multnomah County DCJ's innovative and effective practices.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6310.68, "end": 6317.82, "text": "I mean, this is an organization that has been at the forefront of, you know, evidence-based practices.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6317.82, "end": 6321.28, "text": "And I really appreciate, Director Peña, you and your team coming here today.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6322.46, "end": 6325.2, "text": "And thank you, Chief Hughes, Director Howard.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6326.1, "end": 6339.579, "text": "I think I'm going to take a 10-minute break, and then I hope we can get through the legislative hopefully we can get through the 2 grant allocations quickly, and I think that we'll be able to simplify the psychedelic issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6340.291, "end": 6345.887, "text": "And then I think that we'll have presentations on proposed amendments on the concealed carry issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6346.032, "end": 6350.409, "text": "I don't think that we'll get to a vote today, but I hope we can hear from the presenters on the proposed amendments.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6350.897, "end": 6354.102, "text": "So we will recess until 11:21.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6354.297, "end": 6354.883, "text": "Recessed.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 7030.135, "end": 7049.018, "text": "All right, this meeting of the Committee on Public Safety Committee is back in session.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 7049.605, "end": 7051.76, "text": "Um, could the clerk please read the next item?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 7052.913, "end": 7056.953, "text": "Item 3 was item 2, the street racing takeover grant award.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 7058.92, "end": 7071.966, "text": "Item 3, document number 2026-277, appropriate grant award of $207,411 for Speed Racing Street Takeover.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 7073.255, "end": 7074.205, "text": "Thank you, please proceed.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 7075.205, "end": 7075.575, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 7075.93, "end": 7076.703, "text": "I think it's still morning.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 7076.961, "end": 7082.937, "text": "Um, I'm here on behalf of the Grants Management Division stepping in for Councilor Sheila Craig.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 7084.227, "end": 7085.037, "text": "My name is Kari Mosdin.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 7086.542, "end": 7091.763, "text": "Let me— thank you.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 7092.182, "end": 7096.715, "text": "Does that work?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 7097.65, "end": 7097.876, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 7098.796, "end": 7099.215, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 7100.195, "end": 7101.28, "text": "Anything else I need to do there?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 7101.895, "end": 7102.867, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 7103.012, "end": 7107.288, "text": "Uh, so we're looking at an ordinance to budget appropriation for a grant award.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 7107.857, "end": 7111.043, "text": "For Speed Racing Street Takeover for $207,411.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 7115.16, "end": 7117.236, "text": "Hopefully my screen will work.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 7119.38, "end": 7119.484, "text": "Nope.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 7119.572, "end": 7119.852, "text": "There we go.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 7121.12, "end": 7127.857, "text": "Uh, this ordinance amends the budget to appropriate grant funds awarded by the State of Oregon's Transportation Safety Office into the grants fund.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 7128.566, "end": 7143.101, "text": "The grant application with SAP ID PL276 was submitted on February 5th of this year, Oregon Department of Transportation notified the city of a Speed Racing Street Takeover grant award to the city in the amount of $207,411.35.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 7146.482, "end": 7151.307, "text": "The grant period runs from, uh, 7/8/26 through 9/30/26.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 7152.049, "end": 7154.195, "text": "This grant does require matching funds.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 7154.615, "end": 7163.236, "text": "Uh, the Police Bureau is providing those funds via straight time and associated benefits using the excuse me, the PPB's general fund in the amount of $50,000.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 7164.043, "end": 7168.145, "text": "And as always, this grant is intended to supplement, not replace existing city revenues.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 7171.8, "end": 7175.397, "text": "So just a little bit of an overview on what this grant funds.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 7177.96, "end": 7199.936, "text": "We're looking at addressing the prevalence of speed racing and street takeover through PPB overtime missions to combat planned and ad hoc street racing/takeover events, which traditionally involve hundreds if not thousands of people, have led to severe injuries and deaths to bystanders and participants and routinely block important access points for first responders.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 7201.42, "end": 7212.705, "text": "Also covers coverage for responding officer overtime and associated benefits, and provides funding for the police bureau to purchase supplies and equipment such as deployable cameras to increase the effectiveness.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 7213.442, "end": 7223.042, "text": "Of responding officers' attempts to break up existing and prevent potential street racing takeover events and to prosecute those responsible for violating traffic law to conduct those events.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 7224.547, "end": 7226.263, "text": "That is the end of my presentation.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 7226.327, "end": 7233.561, "text": "We do have a couple folks here from PPB if there are any specific questions, or I'm happy to answer other questions about the grant award itself.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 7237.936, "end": 7238.281, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 7238.347, "end": 7238.938, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 7240.417, "end": 7240.801, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 7242.019, "end": 7248.861, "text": "Let me ask about the portion of this that's not related to personnel, but to technology.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 7249.422, "end": 7251.345, "text": "Specifically, there's a drone component here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 7252.466, "end": 7258.924, "text": "So I guess let me start with the big question, which is bigger picture question, which is data-driven traffic enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 7259.084, "end": 7264.468, "text": "And if we can get more information on what that exactly means in this context.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 7264.772, "end": 7264.948, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 7265.028, "end": 7273.66, "text": "Yeah, I'm gonna call on, we've got Captain Burley and Lieutenant Moore, who have joined me and can answer some of those questions with more detail.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 7273.708, "end": 7279.885, "text": "Okay, and then I guess the question that you might be able to answer or might be theirs is you mentioned prevent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 7281.42, "end": 7287.604, "text": "You said break up existing and prevent potential street racing takeover events.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 7288.28, "end": 7294.39, "text": "And I know that there are restrictions on drone usage that, have been approved by council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 7294.583, "end": 7306.486, "text": "I think there's an open question as to how they're being used, but I wanted to ask about how prevention is gonna occur in the context of that, the technology usage.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 7307.561, "end": 7308.17, "text": "Great questions.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 7308.427, "end": 7309.037, "text": "Thanks for being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 7309.727, "end": 7311.604, "text": "Yeah, good morning everyone.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 7311.876, "end": 7314.539, "text": "Chris Burley, I'm the captain for North Precinct.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 7315.165, "end": 7317.892, "text": "Appreciate your question, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 7318.726, "end": 7333.538, "text": "So the prevention piece is by presence and it's also, as you said, As you said, the data-driven piece and finding information through open-source media to learn when an event might happen, we're finding that that's extremely difficult.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 7334.323, "end": 7348.217, "text": "Fortunate for us, we believe that this grant will allow us the ability, with the complexity of trying to figure out when the events are going to occur, when sometimes they say they're going to occur and they don't, it gives us that flexibility to have the presence.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 7348.265, "end": 7348.409, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 7348.602, "end": 7359.766, "text": "And to be able to go out and do traffic enforcement as it relates to these street takeover events, which we believe deters actions like this happening down the road.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 7360.312, "end": 7365.677, "text": "And you mentioned the unmanned aerial support units or UAS.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 7366.335, "end": 7374.045, "text": "At this time, based on the current budget, we have no intention of purchasing equipment.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 7374.142, "end": 7378.989, "text": "That we're planning on using the monies that were given towards staffing.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 7379.759, "end": 7392.631, "text": "However, we are following the standard operating procedure, which was approved by the prior city council and which is available on our website talking about the drone program.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 7394.027, "end": 7404.08, "text": "Again, in that, we are following the directive and using drones yeah, thanks for that.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 7407.63, "end": 7413.53, "text": "Maybe in the context of this grant, because I know there's also on the next legislative item, there's a little bit more specifics on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 7413.53, "end": 7416.72, "text": "For this grant, it talks about deployable cameras.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 7418.15, "end": 7418.53, "text": "Again—.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 7418.53, "end": 7426.05, "text": "Can you speak to what that— I mean, that might refer to existing equipment, so that's helpful to know, but also what that means in terms of the deployment of cameras.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 7426.057, "end": 7427.804, "text": "Is that referring to drones, or did I make a leap there?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 7430.391, "end": 7431.746, "text": "Greg Moore, Lieutenant out of North.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 7432.342, "end": 7434.891, "text": "So no, it's not referring to drones or drone cameras.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 7434.939, "end": 7441.44, "text": "It's referring to cameras like GoPro cameras that would be used during— for collection of evidence.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 7444.296, "end": 7444.393, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 7444.635, "end": 7449.416, "text": "But again, we have no intention of purchasing cameras as part of this grant.", "speaker": "Chris Burley" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 7450.126, "end": 7450.433, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 7450.934, "end": 7455.049, "text": "I'll follow up on that because I feel like You have dashcams and bodycams, so I'm curious.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 7455.115, "end": 7456.268, "text": "We don't have dashcams though.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 7457.588, "end": 7459.05, "text": "Okay, then that— okay, great.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 7459.805, "end": 7465.639, "text": "As we get into the time period is the other question I had.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 7465.993, "end": 7473.111, "text": "This is backdated by a month, so just wanted to understand, will all the funds be spent by September 30th?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 7473.272, "end": 7474.225, "text": "Are we gonna be coming back?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 7475.176, "end": 7477.702, "text": "It's a relatively short grant period, so I'm just curious on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 7477.784, "end": 7487.693, "text": "It's a short grant period, and what typically would happen in that case is that if the funds aren't expended, there would be an extension to the contract to be able to spend those down.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 7487.805, "end": 7491.621, "text": "But that's something that we would address as needed.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 7492.614, "end": 7492.727, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 7493.64, "end": 7494.538, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 7494.779, "end": 7497.199, "text": "Appreciate it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 7497.44, "end": 7498.562, "text": "I actually had the same question.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 7498.786, "end": 7501.479, "text": "Would council— how did the extension work?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 7502.313, "end": 7506.257, "text": "Would you just be able to— would the council have to approve an extension?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 7506.321, "end": 7506.705, "text": "What would happen?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 7508.197, "end": 7513.226, "text": "That's typically administrative action, and so that's something that's executed by the city administrator.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 7514.844, "end": 7517.487, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7517.536, "end": 7525.463, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, could I have a motion to refer this item to full council, the recommendation that we passed?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7527.618, "end": 7528.248, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7529.282, "end": 7530.688, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 7530.753, "end": 7533.629, "text": "Been moved by Councilor Kanal, seconded by Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 7538.45, "end": 7539.068, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 7539.394, "end": 7543.448, "text": "For document number 2026-277, Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 7545.44, "end": 7545.617, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 7546.342, "end": 7546.809, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 7547.002, "end": 7547.164, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 7547.792, "end": 7548.098, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 7549.242, "end": 7549.291, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 7549.822, "end": 7550.257, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 7551.015, "end": 7551.031, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 7551.74, "end": 7552.078, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 7552.707, "end": 7552.819, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 7553.98, "end": 7560.839, "text": "With 5 ayes, the motion to refer the ordinance with the recommendation it be passed has passed.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 7562.052, "end": 7562.526, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 7562.771, "end": 7563.784, "text": "Please read the next item.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 7565.95, "end": 7586.175, "text": "Next item, uh, I currently— item number 4, previously labeled as item number 3, document number 2026-278, appropriate grant award of $103,600— sorry, $103,069 for expanded traffic enforcement.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 7588.741, "end": 7589.126, "text": "Hello again.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 7589.8, "end": 7591.533, "text": "For the record again, my name is Kari Moss.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 7591.581, "end": 7605.554, "text": "I'm with Grants Management Division and, uh, looking at another budget appropriation for a grant award, this one regarding a grant award for expanded traffic enforcement for $103,000 and, uh, $103,069.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 7605.827, "end": 7606.484, "text": "I had the same problem.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 7607.447, "end": 7608.506, "text": "Um, let's see.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 7608.875, "end": 7616.199, "text": "Uh, so this ordinance amends the budget to appropriate grant funds awarded by the State of Oregon Transportation Safety Office into the grants fund.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 7617.038, "end": 7623.872, "text": "This is grant application with SAP ID PL277, which was submitted on February 5th of this year.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 7624.791, "end": 7630.754, "text": "Oregon Department of Transportation notified the city of an expanded traffic enforcement grant award to the city in the amount of $103,069.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 7633.363, "end": 7637.457, "text": "The grant period is from 7/14/26 to 9/30/26.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 7638.202, "end": 7639.642, "text": "This grant does require matching funds.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 7639.772, "end": 7640.209, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 7640.39, "end": 7652.052, "text": "PPB, Portland Police Bureau, is providing those funds using their general fund in the amount of $25,768, and the grant is intended to supplement, not replace, existing city revenues.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 7654.84, "end": 7656.653, "text": "Uh, just a little background on the grant fund.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 7656.799, "end": 7675.765, "text": "Uh, this seeks to increase the efficiency of traffic crash investigations and to expand patrol-based traffic enforcement through officer training time, associated benefits In mobile citation and drone use, mobile citation printers and associated supplies, crash investigation drones, and a dedicated crash investigation computer.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 7676.406, "end": 7686.741, "text": "Increased efficiency in investigations will improve the speed and accuracy of scene documentation, reduce roadway closure durations, and strengthen downstream case preparation for traffic incidents.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 7688.023, "end": 7694.175, "text": "The expansion of patrol-based traffic enforcement will streamline citation issue— issuance during enforcement stops.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 7694.352, "end": 7703.259, "text": "The removal of paper-based processes is intended to reduce stop duration, improve officer and driver safety, and increase the feasibility of proactive enforcement during routine patrol.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 7703.96, "end": 7709.264, "text": "This will also streamline data collection and analysis to guide future enforcement resource deployments.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 7711.492, "end": 7713.542, "text": "That is the end of my presentation.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 7713.591, "end": 7728.614, "text": "I'm happy to answer questions about the award, and we also have Sergeant Petrov online to answer any questions about thank you.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 7728.857, "end": 7733.58, "text": "Um, so first question is just the same, the grant period's short, same idea as last?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 7733.662, "end": 7735.09, "text": "Exactly the same situation, yes.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 7735.545, "end": 7736.259, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 7736.892, "end": 7743.366, "text": "Um, the other question I had, just on your slide you talk about, um, mobile citation and drone use.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 7743.415, "end": 7746.432, "text": "I just want to understand, mobile applies here to drone as well?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 7746.779, "end": 7750.797, "text": "It's not just mobile citation and drone use, it's mobile citation and mobile drone use.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 7750.878, "end": 7753.508, "text": "Is that correct way to interpret that first?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 7754.97, "end": 7756.615, "text": "I'll call on Sergeant Petrov to answer that.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 7756.664, "end": 7758.425, "text": "The, the higher bullet point there, the first one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 7760.726, "end": 7761.676, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 7761.869, "end": 7764.025, "text": "Apologies, I have a summer flu.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 7764.186, "end": 7769.111, "text": "I'm Sergeant Christopher Petrov with the Portland Police Bureau, the Traffic Division, and the 2 are actually independent.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 7769.802, "end": 7785.048, "text": "Um, all of our UAS systems or commonly referred to drones are used for photogrammetry, which is just crime scene processing to document for mapping and whatnot.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 7785.773, "end": 7789.092, "text": "The mobile citation stuff is completely separate.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 7789.221, "end": 7806.71, "text": "What we have is a handheld— our phones have an application system on them, and that allows us to electronically fill out citations, which then links to a mobile printer, and then we can print off citations, and the 2 are completely separate.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 7806.774, "end": 7824.269, "text": "So the, the mobile application is strictly for the printers to make the citation process much more efficient, and then the drone use is just for crash investigations, or unless we supplement another investigative unit for mapping, just for crime scene purposes only.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 7825.832, "end": 7826.555, "text": "Okay, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 7826.715, "end": 7829.557, "text": "I'm a little confused by that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 7829.686, "end": 7830.665, "text": "That all makes sense to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 7830.713, "end": 7841.279, "text": "I'm a little confused by, there's a lot of conversation here about increasing, or I should say expanding patrol-based traffic enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 7842.049, "end": 7853.776, "text": "And so how do these 2 things connect when we're talking about primarily stops through Or are these 2 different, completely 2 different parts of it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 7853.825, "end": 7860.194, "text": "How do the— how does the drones after— US is after the fact relate to patrol-based traffic enforcement in the moment?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 7862.45, "end": 7864.864, "text": "The grant is helping us purchase equipment.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 7865.399, "end": 7870.147, "text": "One, one of the portions of the grant will purchase mobile printers.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 7871.071, "end": 7874.479, "text": "The traffic division does what we call a build-a-cop program.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 7874.543, "end": 7889.629, "text": "So we take officers from patrol and we, uh, help rotate them through the traffic division so we can expand their abilities to do traffic enforcement, DUI enforcement, DUI detection, um, and crash investigations.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 7889.677, "end": 7915.125, "text": "So that way the printers will be used by these officers that are more inclined towards traffic enforcement to expand, because our traffic enforcement numbers are limited with motor and, uh, So the broader we can get through enhanced training for more patrol officers to be interested in DUI detection and traffic enforcement is where the mobile printers come in.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 7916.056, "end": 7916.249, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 7916.313, "end": 7917.083, "text": "And drones—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 7917.5, "end": 7918.319, "text": "Sorry, go ahead.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 7918.479, "end": 7920.405, "text": "No, I'll— sorry, didn't mean to cut you off there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 7921.224, "end": 7922.01, "text": "Oh, that's okay.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 7922.074, "end": 7933.657, "text": "And then I was— the other portion of the— another part of the equipment will be for UAS systems to help us be able to broaden our ability to process crime scenes faster.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 7933.881, "end": 7952.898, "text": "So we'll have, uh, more UAS platforms to fly during a crash scene, especially on the more comprehensive ones where we have multiple fatalities, or maybe we assist, uh, the Forensic and Evidence Division or homicide in a major crime scene or of sorts like that.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 7954.069, "end": 7954.245, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 7954.309, "end": 7961.098, "text": "But the drones are not used for traffic enforcement in any okay, thank you for clarifying that.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 7961.146, "end": 7970.88, "text": "I think that addresses the portion of my questions that relate to UAS, so I'll focus on the training, the mobile citation printers, et cetera.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 7972.378, "end": 7972.652, "text": "Can you—.", "speaker": "Kyla Armstrong Romero" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 7972.861, "end": 7973.103, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 7973.28, "end": 7981.846, "text": "Can you give some context to the data-driven— what exactly do you mean by data-driven traffic enforcement in the context of this grant or more broadly?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 7984.267, "end": 7998.303, "text": "The data-driven comes from multiple sources using, you know, high-crash corridors, crash data, the places where fatal crashes and trauma injury crashes are taking place the most.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 7998.8, "end": 8009.849, "text": "So when we talk about data-driven enforcement, we're using historical data to use to enforce traffic laws for future crashes, I guess is how I'd like to look at it.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 8010.266, "end": 8023.196, "text": "We're trying to take the resources and the data that we have available so we can focus the limited resources we have in the areas where we are seeing trends of crashes going up or fatal crashes going up.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 8024.239, "end": 8033.03, "text": "Like currently this year for 2026, we're working on trying to slow down motorcyclists because we've had a tremendous increase in motorcycle fatalities.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 8033.126, "end": 8043.196, "text": "So that's how we're trying to use the data to drive our traffic enforcement and focus on the areas where the, the most damage and the most harm is occurring.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 8045.121, "end": 8045.847, "text": "Thanks for that, Sergeant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 8045.895, "end": 8054.216, "text": "Does that also include the, uh, injury collision data that has historically been collected in the context of stops?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 8055.977, "end": 8059.885, "text": "Yeah, well, I guess, what do you— I'm not understanding what you mean there.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 8060.902, "end": 8080.954, "text": "In the stops data report, In the report that PPB puts out quarterly, and I guess the annual one has the benchmarking, there's a data collection related to injury collision where it measures the number of people who are involved in injury collisions and then has demographics on that group of people.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 8082.245, "end": 8087.133, "text": "And I'm curious if that is an input that you mentioned in the context of how data-driven works.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 8089.112, "end": 8095.877, "text": "Yeah, if we find an intersection, uh, hypothetically speaking, we could use, uh, 2nd and Main downtown.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 8095.925, "end": 8106.064, "text": "If we had an uptick in traffic crashes there, uh, we would focus on moving our resources there to try and slow cars down.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 8106.209, "end": 8119.15, "text": "Or if it was impairment-based, trying to figure out where, uh, how to reduce the impairment crashes and making stops to just reduce okay.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 8119.311, "end": 8122.055, "text": "Kind of related, but switching gears a little bit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 8122.152, "end": 8129.706, "text": "The grant documents mention improving efficiency and accuracy in traffic stops, but nowhere do they mention improvements in equity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 8130.464, "end": 8141.647, "text": "And so I'm curious if there is a parallel plan for what PPB is doing to ensure Black and brown Portlanders are not subject to— continued to be subject to disproportionate to disproportionate traffic stops.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 8143.473, "end": 8145.429, "text": "And that's also based on the Grand Evaluation Plan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 8147.833, "end": 8160.037, "text": "Yes, our— the traffic division does not focus on, uh, stopping people outside of what they actually see that's being done in a motor vehicle or another vehicle, even like a bicyclist.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 8160.118, "end": 8170.905, "text": "Our intent is to find the vehicles that are traveling at the higher paces or are navigating the roads in a dangerous manner, and then we stop the vehicle.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 8171.049, "end": 8178.356, "text": "Like, the actual driver of the car is who we contact, but it's based on our perception of what the vehicle is doing.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 8178.421, "end": 8186.577, "text": "So our intent is to never stop anyone based on, uh, a skin color or, uh, any particular demographic.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 8186.833, "end": 8203.957, "text": "We're just focused on traffic safety, and we contact members of the community of yeah, I appreciate that, and I, I'm not intending to, to make a comment on intent here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 8204.391, "end": 8211.178, "text": "Um, I can speak to the impact, uh, looking at the, um, looking at the stops data.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 8211.258, "end": 8229.842, "text": "So there are disparities, uh, right now, and I'm curious as to how increasing and expanding this work, which is disparate, does not either perpetuate or expand that disparity and the harm caused by it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 8234.15, "end": 8238.427, "text": "Well, I don't have a good answer for you in relation to the traffic division.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 8238.686, "end": 8247.315, "text": "I know there is— it's a complicated topic when it comes to traffic stops and what police do, whether in Portland or around the nation.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 8247.412, "end": 8259.604, "text": "But all I can say is that when we're making stops and it's in relation to the traffic division, we're not working towards any particular goal other than traffic safety.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 8260.44, "end": 8263.035, "text": "And I, I don't know the numbers.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 8263.717, "end": 8281.349, "text": "I, and I can work on those to show that I don't believe the traffic division stop data would We're just working on stopping impaired drivers and speeders and people running red lights to keep everybody else safe.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 8282.247, "end": 8283.721, "text": "Okay, I, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 8283.769, "end": 8292.422, "text": "That's, that, that's a little concerning to me in the context of, um, expansion, uh, and I want to just be clear, I'm citing my sources here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 8292.503, "end": 8294.874, "text": "This is from PPB's own stops data reports.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 8295.496, "end": 8302.808, "text": "Specifically, the annual reports available at portland.gov/police/open-data/stops-data.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 8304.818, "end": 8307.286, "text": "You know that I'm going to give a couple lists of numbers here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 8307.415, "end": 8315.048, "text": "This is the year, the percentage of drivers that Traffic Division stopped who are Black, and the percentage of the population.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 8316.224, "end": 8320.278, "text": "So 2012, 8.0% stops for Black Portlanders.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 8320.919, "end": 8324.809, "text": "Population not noted in the report, but census data shows it's just shy of 6%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 8324.809, "end": 8328.089, "text": "2013, 7.8% Stops of Black Portlanders.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 8328.259, "end": 8332.689, "text": "Population not noted in this report yet, but was just shy of 6% from census data.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 8333.049, "end": 8335.789, "text": "Starting in 2014, that is noted.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 8335.789, "end": 8338.549, "text": "It's 8.2% to 5.7%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 8338.549, "end": 8341.089, "text": "2015, 8.9% To 5.7%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 8341.089, "end": 8343.669, "text": "2016, 8.8% To 6.1%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 8343.669, "end": 8346.329, "text": "2017, 10.9% To 6.1%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 8346.329, "end": 8347.569, "text": "2018, 10.7% To 6.1%.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 8347.705, "end": 8361.537, "text": "It continues just inching up to where it's now 15.4% of traffic division stops in the 2025 report and 5.8% of the population that is Black.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 8363.489, "end": 8373.838, "text": "And so there are limitations of the census, which I think the report notes, notably undercounting of people of color, complication with specific racial group tracking such as Middle Eastern.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 8374.854, "end": 8379.075, "text": "That doesn't explain the size of the disparity nor the concerning trend line.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 8379.588, "end": 8398.447, "text": "What concerns me is that the report notes an overrepresentation of Native American and Indigenous drivers often, but doesn't acknowledge the disparity in other groups, including Black drivers on a regular basis because of the use of the injury collection— sorry, injury collision benchmark, previously known as injury accident.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 8400.578, "end": 8417.285, "text": "That's concerning to me when we talk about data and how we use it here, because after the first year of this report, 2012, which didn't have benchmarking, in 2013 it was added because of the pretty clear disparity, which was much smaller in 2012 than it is now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 8420.02, "end": 8425.974, "text": "Because it— PPB reports argue we should not compare the 2 numbers that I just compared.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 8426.152, "end": 8435.453, "text": "The percentage of Portlanders of a given racial group and the percentage of people of that racial group who were stopped by police and instead say we should compare it to injury accident data.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 8436.319, "end": 8452.275, "text": "And so I have more on this and I'm going to get into it, but I'm curious about the degree to which that is being reevaluated in the context of determining where to allocate and how to allocate police resources.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 8452.372, "end": 8475.497, "text": "And again, all of this— I don't know how long anyone's been here or in their current role at PPB, but my anticipation, my assumption is that these practices, both in terms of how resources are deployed and how things are benchmarked, probably predates everybody who's in the role that they're in now, ranging from yourself, Sergeant, up to the leadership.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 8475.562, "end": 8477.999, "text": "I know it predates everybody in the— Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 8478.603, "end": 8479.359, "text": "Chief's office now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 8480.791, "end": 8488.466, "text": "So I'm not trying to ascribe intent here, but to say here's a problem that you've inherited at some point, and can we fix it?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 8488.919, "end": 8495.417, "text": "So I guess the the question I'm asking right here is: Do we have?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 8496.56, "end": 8503.759, "text": "Is there a plan to evaluate what data is used and how it is interpreted in the context of?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 8505.263, "end": 8513.469, "text": "And by the way, I should note patrol enforcement has greater disparities than the traffic division itself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 8514.2, "end": 8532.053, "text": "So everything I just said is actually a greater level when you go outside of the traffic division, which is both, I think, a good thing for the traffic division and indicative of the concern about expanding to where more parts of the bureau are involved in traffic enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 8532.102, "end": 8532.329, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 8532.488, "end": 8536.623, "text": "Stops on a regular basis, which is something we just talked about in the context of mobile printers.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 8537.073, "end": 8540.951, "text": "So could you speak to that at all in terms of what's being changed or what's being looked at?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 8544.498, "end": 8556.609, "text": "To put it simply, we are not changing how we come at traffic enforcement because we focus on where the crashes are and the severity of the crashes.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 8557.28, "end": 8560.073, "text": "However, It doesn't mean we're opposed to changing.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 8561.238, "end": 8584.745, "text": "I guess what I would have to figure out is if we create a change, how do we be comprehensive in reducing disparate treatment that you're referring to, or just disparate stops, but also combating traffic crashes where we have lots of injuries, fatals, and just overall harm to the general public?", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 8585.329, "end": 8593.74, "text": "Is what I would like to figure out, because I, I believe the crash data itself is super important to focus our efforts on slowing people down.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 8594.366, "end": 8601.236, "text": "Um, and if, if that in some way is coming across as disparate, that is extremely unfortunate.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 8601.685, "end": 8618.977, "text": "But the— as I'll always say, our goal— and I've been with traffic, just so you understand, I've been with the traffic division, uh, since 2012, and I've been with the Portland Police Bureau so I do have some historical knowledge where a lot of this did come from.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 8619.122, "end": 8634.659, "text": "I would agree it does predate me, but in that same breath, the statistics usually help direct us where we want to go when it involves crash and who's dying.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 8635.624, "end": 8637.409, "text": "I know there are others in the queue, so I'll come back in.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 8637.714, "end": 8637.988, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 8638.422, "end": 8639.001, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 8645.735, "end": 8646.473, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 8646.873, "end": 8652.722, "text": "Yeah, I had some questions along the same vein as what Councilor Kanal was talking about.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 8653.699, "end": 8662.192, "text": "So I just wanted to clarify from this slide, when you're talking about doing, you know, increasing this space, are you talking about more staffing?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 8662.256, "end": 8663.715, "text": "Are you talking about increasing cameras?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 8663.763, "end": 8664.964, "text": "It's sort of unclear from that slide what we're talking about.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 8665.029, "end": 8665.734, "text": "Yeah, so we're talking about increasing staffing.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 8668.6, "end": 8670.93, "text": "Uh, we're not increasing cameras.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 8670.93, "end": 8675.57, "text": "Well, if you're talking about— are you referring to photo enforcement cameras?", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 8677.15, "end": 8681.55, "text": "Um, yeah, anything that would be—.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 8681.55, "end": 8689.51, "text": "Uh, I happen to be the photo enforcement manager, so yeah, there is a plan to increase traffic enforcement cam— photo enforcement cameras throughout the city.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 8689.51, "end": 8693.59, "text": "Uh, but as in regards to camera systems for traffic stops, no.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 8693.59, "end": 8708.103, "text": "Outside of the body-worn cameras that we use, we don't We don't use any kind of camera system, and there's no plans on expanding any type of camera surveillance or anything in relation to traffic enforcement.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 8709.34, "end": 8709.805, "text": "Gotcha.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 8709.902, "end": 8710.223, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 8710.624, "end": 8714.238, "text": "And first of all, I want to say thank you for answering all of our questions while you're not feeling well today.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 8714.784, "end": 8716.101, "text": "Appreciate you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 8717.353, "end": 8722.637, "text": "I think it would be really helpful to have a breakdown of what exactly we're buying with these dollars.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 8723.552, "end": 8727.452, "text": "Because it's a little bit unclear to me from this presentation what exactly we're purchasing.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 8728.19, "end": 8736.231, "text": "And, you know, I'm also wondering if there is going to be a privacy impact analysis we have, or assessment.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 8736.295, "end": 8741.944, "text": "I can't remember what it stands for exactly, but we do have the Data Privacy Office now at the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 8742.249, "end": 8745.218, "text": "We are actively establishing it as we speak.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 8745.764, "end": 8760.2, "text": "And I think that I'm going to be really pushing for in the coming months, both for, you know, this item, the last item, That anytime the city is bringing in new technology, I have questions, or just increasing surveillance and storing that data, right?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 8760.52, "end": 8768.567, "text": "Whether it's with a camera or with a person who's just actively engaged in tracking that on their own, how is that information being stored?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 8768.936, "end": 8771.597, "text": "What is it going to be used for in other contexts?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 8772.238, "end": 8779.243, "text": "These are the types of things that I would want to know through a privacy impact assessment that would go through the Data Privacy Office.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 8779.925, "end": 8786.248, "text": "And there's also questions for me about the vendor, the deployment of these technologies.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 8787.86, "end": 8794.274, "text": "So are we going to be expanding the existing uses of this technology?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 8794.371, "end": 8795.248, "text": "Are we getting new ones?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 8796.785, "end": 8807.836, "text": "And I really firmly believe moving forward that as a council, we need to make sure that the privacy impact assessment happens long before we are deploying or purchasing new tech.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 8808.736, "end": 8813.865, "text": "It doesn't— there's a chicken or egg situation here, and we have to have that assessment beforehand.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 8815.15, "end": 8818.688, "text": "So are there any plans to do that before this moves forward?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 8820.37, "end": 8825.854, "text": "Currently, our— the UAS platforms that we use are the only ones that are authorized to use it.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 8826.677, "end": 8828.484, "text": "I would not say it's new technology.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 8828.532, "end": 8830.725, "text": "It's just current technology that we have.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 8831.918, "end": 8836.156, "text": "And we don't use them for surveillance whatsoever in the traffic division.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 8836.205, "end": 8839.929, "text": "These are strictly for crime scene management and documentation.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 8840.363, "end": 8857.268, "text": "So if, if any public, any citizen in the City of Portland is impacted by this, like if a car crash happens and it goes on a private property, we actually have to get consent from the property owner for us to fly over their property.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 8857.316, "end": 8870.665, "text": "So We're in no way trying to collect data that's not in a public space, so we can only use it over private property and record their property where something has occurred if we get their permission.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 8871.099, "end": 8877.259, "text": "Outside of that, a lot of our UAS systems are done for fly-throughs, which are at a low level.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 8878.192, "end": 8887.712, "text": "We do aerial scanning, and the drone only follows a mapped-out portion for the crash scene, and it's recording that, and that it's all just internal police bureau data.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 8888.196, "end": 8898.395, "text": "I mean, people could obviously make public records requests, but in general, the data that we're using is just for the crime scene, and we do not use the platforms for any other purpose.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 8899.955, "end": 8900.357, "text": "Gotcha.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 8900.582, "end": 8914.028, "text": "And I definitely understand, you know, that 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using new technology.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 8971.158, "end": 8980.757, "text": "We're just trying to maintain our current technology and add to it a little bit so we can manage more complex crime scenes easier.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 8980.982, "end": 8982.655, "text": "That's where our efficiency comes in.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 8983.218, "end": 9004.067, "text": "If we, for an example, if we had a crash, which has occurred unfortunately, off of say the Morrison Bridge where the car exits the roadway from the bridge and lands down below, those are very complex and very difficult scenes to just use our FARO scanner, which is a 3D scanner that does the mapping.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 9004.997, "end": 9007.515, "text": "So now we have the ability to use the UAS system.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 9007.563, "end": 9018.74, "text": "So we could use one on top and one below and split our crime scenes up and actually make it so we can open up the bridges and the roads faster and remove the vehicles that are damaged.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 9019.205, "end": 9021.53, "text": "And that's how we're using our UAS systems.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 9021.595, "end": 9021.867, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 9025.98, "end": 9026.109, "text": "Gotcha.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 9026.998, "end": 9030.685, "text": "Um, yeah, I think, I, I think I'm beating a dead horse a little bit.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 9030.847, "end": 9044.547, "text": "I would say that the purchasing of any new equipment, um, even if it's old equipment, means that we're expanding the data collection that we're doing, which means that we do need to have a privacy impact assessment regardless.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 9045.199, "end": 9053.445, "text": "And so, um, You know, it— what you're describing to me does sort of sound like a new application of the existing technology.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 9054.023, "end": 9056.044, "text": "And I am not anti-technology.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 9056.109, "end": 9057.456, "text": "I think it can be used for great things.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 9057.552, "end": 9073.515, "text": "I just want to make sure that we start getting into the habit at the city of now that we have this new data privacy office that Councilor Novick and I co-sponsored, that we are going to be actually using it and getting these impact assessments before moving forward with new technology purposes.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 9073.612, "end": 9074.787, "text": "Purchases and expansion.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 9075.447, "end": 9079.826, "text": "Um, but I really appreciate the background, and I think I am again just beating a dead horse here.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 9079.906, "end": 9086.482, "text": "So, uh, just know that moving forward, as these things come to the committee and to council as a whole, they're the types of questions that I will continue to ask.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 9086.724, "end": 9086.999, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 9087.854, "end": 9088.193, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 9088.435, "end": 9093.035, "text": "And I was not insinuating that we should not have a privacy impact statement, if I came across that way.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 9093.36, "end": 9093.815, "text": "I'm just saying—.", "speaker": "Christopher Petrov" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 9093.993, "end": 9096.51, "text": "No, no, not at all.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 9096.607, "end": 9096.948, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 9097.419, "end": 9098.166, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 9100.044, "end": 9100.403, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 9101.758, "end": 9104.761, "text": "I know we've delved pretty far into the policy side of this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 9105.81, "end": 9110.48, "text": "Getting back to just the $103,000, and I'm sorry, can you say your name again?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 9110.593, "end": 9111.559, "text": "I'm not sure I have it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 9111.672, "end": 9112.091, "text": "Kari Mazdan.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 9112.203, "end": 9112.606, "text": "Yeah, Kari.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 9112.992, "end": 9113.943, "text": "Hi, Kari.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 9114.2, "end": 9120.876, "text": "I'm looking at the document as it was posted and it's, I'm looking at this budget impact chart here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 9123.577, "end": 9124.289, "text": "It has some numbers.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 9124.975, "end": 9126.645, "text": "But it has no other information.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 9127.083, "end": 9131.671, "text": "Can you help us understand, I think Councilor Murillo alluded to it, what is it actually paying for in this?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 9133.2, "end": 9133.926, "text": "Do we know anything?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 9135.168, "end": 9139.024, "text": "Those numbers refer to different, you know, it might refer to personnel.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 9139.12, "end": 9148.407, "text": "I don't have it in front of me, so I can't look at it specifically, but it might refer to, you know, that it pays for personnel or that it pays for equipment, just the different things that we spend on when we do our ledgers.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 9149.867, "end": 9155.151, "text": "What we could do is get you an accounting of what specifically the budget will be are you—.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 9155.536, "end": 9157.509, "text": "I'm sorry, are you Police Bureau or are you Grants Office?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 9157.573, "end": 9158.568, "text": "No, I'm in Grants Management.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 9158.616, "end": 9158.953, "text": "Grants Office.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 9159.001, "end": 9162.386, "text": "So I'm using this as an example, but Mr.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 9162.435, "end": 9168.644, "text": "Administrator, this document is not a helpful document because I think I would want that, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 9168.772, "end": 9169.847, "text": "But I would want that in this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 9170.36, "end": 9189.35, "text": "And this ain't my first government, but this is my first one where this continues to happen and no one will submit a document for budget impacts that actually discusses and so I've said this now more times to the budget office than I can count, and yet this is the standard that they continue to put forward.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 9189.703, "end": 9200.671, "text": "And the reason I'm upset about that is that it allows us to spend 30 or 40 minutes on $103,000 because we don't actually know what we're talking about.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 9201.988, "end": 9213.841, "text": "And your central budget office is now putting, I think, other bureaus in a position where they're having to our grants folks, others who are kind of in the, in the sights of council because we don't have the information we need.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 9213.937, "end": 9216.565, "text": "But that's— this is because this is the product they get from our budget office.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 9216.613, "end": 9228.359, "text": "So I am highlighting some disappointment because of how much this keeps happening, and this is a symptom of a much bigger problem.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 9228.471, "end": 9231.067, "text": "So this is not a you thing.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 9231.196, "end": 9232.125, "text": "I'm going to support this 100%.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 9232.205, "end": 9232.365, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 9232.688, "end": 9233.967, "text": "I do appreciate the questions.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 9234.177, "end": 9244.064, "text": "I'm keeping in mind this is $103,000, but sometimes the lack of information allows us to not understand and spend a lot of time on some other things, because I have a feeling I know what these all are.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 9244.177, "end": 9248.722, "text": "To your point, some personnel, some equipment, and unfortunately the document doesn't have that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 9248.803, "end": 9249.19, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 9250.078, "end": 9253.676, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 9253.886, "end": 9257.936, "text": "I put myself in the queue because I'd like to get through this.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 9258.337, "end": 9260.366, "text": "And get to the psychedelics issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 9260.672, "end": 9263.441, "text": "And Councilor Kanal, I know you put yourself back in the queue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 9263.57, "end": 9272.469, "text": "My impression is that you were planning to vote no because you have some big questions about traffic enforcement in general that you need to have answered before you voted yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 9273.276, "end": 9278.66, "text": "So if that's true, I'd like you to quickly ask whatever other questions you have.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 9282.322, "end": 9284.094, "text": "Councilor Novick, I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 9284.419, "end": 9287.799, "text": "I will say that this could be— the agenda could be reordered to get something higher up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 9287.848, "end": 9292.498, "text": "I obviously have interest in making sure we discuss psychedelics as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 9293.224, "end": 9311.099, "text": "But I, I think that this particular area of PPB's work has benefited from a lack of scrutiny over well over a decade now, um, due to the racial disparities in traffic stops that have been brought up primarily in the Portland Committee on Community Engaged Policing and really only there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 9312.016, "end": 9318.155, "text": "Um, so, you know, cut me off if you'd like, But I have a lot of questions that I want to get through.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 9318.204, "end": 9320.829, "text": "I got through my first half and I'm going to do the rest here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 9323.442, "end": 9334.574, "text": "I kind of think that we can arrange for a session about disparities in traffic stops and have, like, they make sure that we've got all the relevant police brass here.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 9336.84, "end": 9337.864, "text": "Chief Hughes, you're still here?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 9338.401, "end": 9347.867, "text": "I mean, I think, I actually think that at a minimum, perhaps possibly we should ask Chief Hughes rather than Sergeant Petrov to answer big policy questions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 9347.963, "end": 9348.703, "text": "That is very fair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1300", "start": 9348.783, "end": 9353.209, "text": "And I, whichever person in PSSA broadly, I welcome it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1301", "start": 9353.614, "end": 9360.644, "text": "I have made requests in the past that the data piece of this be handled by Enterprise Services as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1302", "start": 9361.085, "end": 9362.474, "text": "So that is not in-house.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1303", "start": 9364.144, "end": 9365.685, "text": "But I appreciate you being here, Chief Hughes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1304", "start": 9366.128, "end": 9374.253, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal, for the question there regarding well, you're gonna ask some questions, but I'd like to flag, first of all, my name is Brian Hughes, Deputy Chief, Portland Police Bureau.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1305", "start": 9374.815, "end": 9376.293, "text": "I do agree with Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1306", "start": 9376.341, "end": 9379.777, "text": "I think this warrants more attention and probably in a separate setting.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 9380.532, "end": 9383.984, "text": "We are aware of the data that you have mentioned regarding stops data.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 9384.61, "end": 9394.469, "text": "And as you said, the Chief's Office has, you know, we're all relatively new in our positions up here, but acknowledge that the disparities do exist and warrant additional exploration as to why.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 9394.517, "end": 9394.645, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 9395.159, "end": 9402.137, "text": "So I want to give time for that to be properly explained, bring the relevant stakeholders here to be able to more thoroughly answer your questions.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 9402.426, "end": 9403.036, "text": "That's fair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 9403.228, "end": 9409.421, "text": "I think the challenge that I have is I'm being asked to expand something without knowing that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 9409.581, "end": 9412.245, "text": "And so I was not intending to vote no on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 9412.325, "end": 9420.699, "text": "My intent was to ask that we have equity added into the evaluation piece and to ask for that to be added before we're asked to vote on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 9420.892, "end": 9421.582, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 9422.899, "end": 9434.476, "text": "Because as I mentioned, the evaluation component of this grant from the documents refers to efficiency and accuracy, which are also valid goals and should not be supplanted in any way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 9434.54, "end": 9436.884, "text": "This should remain, but also add equity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 9436.965, "end": 9440.096, "text": "Because I think the challenge here is free money is good.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 9441.444, "end": 9442.424, "text": "I think that's fair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 9442.873, "end": 9445.314, "text": "Obviously not free in the sense of you applied for it and earned it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 9445.362, "end": 9446.229, "text": "I don't mean to imply otherwise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 9446.823, "end": 9453.245, "text": "But money that is not coming from the city budget that is paid to cover costs of the city is good.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 9454.594, "end": 9468.979, "text": "But I want to make sure that we're not expanding something without, at a minimum, evaluating it on the core values of the city, in addition to understanding the nature of this particular area of work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 9469.525, "end": 9471.082, "text": "And obviously I voted for the other grant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 9471.163, "end": 9472.479, "text": "I'm not— I have questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 9472.835, "end": 9488.337, "text": "I don't have a concern about that grant, but for this particular one, I think it's, it's worth asking for a pause to ensure that those documents and that evaluation process includes an equity component before being asked to expand it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 9488.642, "end": 9496.484, "text": "And so that's why it doesn't make sense to me to, um, just vote this through without having that conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 9497.384, "end": 9499.922, "text": "Is that something that can be added to the evaluation process?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 9500.035, "end": 9500.099, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 9502.035, "end": 9504.282, "text": "Process, the grant evaluation plan specifically?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 9504.363, "end": 9509.019, "text": "In putting forward an application or in accepting the award?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 9509.31, "end": 9510.667, "text": "Which stage are you referring to?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 9512.37, "end": 9520.293, "text": "Not the application, because that's already happened, but the acceptance of the award, since we're discussing that now, but also after the award is accepted.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 9520.486, "end": 9521.195, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 9522.016, "end": 9532.747, "text": "I mean, I would say that the award agreement, you know, goes through attorney's office scrutiny for those sort of elements, and it is signed by the city administrator.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 9533.507, "end": 9535.043, "text": "Okay, I see the city administrator.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 9535.528, "end": 9545.289, "text": "There is an equity, uh, component of it, but I'm just emailing, uh, Latrice, our chief equity officer, to see how she can get more engaged in kind of these conversations as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 9546.247, "end": 9551.279, "text": "So we'll work on that process because I understand exactly what you're saying and the comments that you're making.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 9551.328, "end": 9554.894, "text": "So we'll most definitely look into it and follow up with you on that process.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 9555.36, "end": 9556.838, "text": "Yeah, and I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 9556.967, "end": 9573.453, "text": "The thing I wanted to mention, you know, in the report, which talks about the annual stops data report, which mentions not only traffic division stops, but patrol stops in a traffic context, and also focused intervention team stops, basically all stops are in that report.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 9573.935, "end": 9577.855, "text": "There used to be another benchmark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 9578.749, "end": 9586.47, "text": "Which was also not census data, and it was called the crime victimization benchmark to pedestrian stops.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 9586.534, "end": 9589.41, "text": "And I think this got added in 2013, 2014, back then as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 9591.157, "end": 9600.157, "text": "And you'll notice there's a fairly long area in all these reports that explains why PPB feels that's the appropriate benchmark to use.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 9600.575, "end": 9615.079, "text": "But in 2025's report, it offers a It's stunning, and I use that word with very high praise to PPB, a stunning reversal of this practice because that practice had been criticized just as roundly as the injury collision benchmark for the traffic division.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 9615.737, "end": 9627.635, "text": "The second benchmark is no longer being used, and the report quotes, you know, for the 2025 annual report, all driver stops regardless of the operational unit were benchmarked against the injury collision benchmark, end quote.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 9628.037, "end": 9638.707, "text": "So I I want to bring that up to highlight that PPB has listened on that one, has reevaluated it, and has chosen not to use that benchmark anymore.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 9639.172, "end": 9647.419, "text": "The thing that is being used now for all the other non-Traffic Division stops is now the same as this one, and I think this one also needs that evaluation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1350", "start": 9647.852, "end": 9654.879, "text": "And so I want to first thank the PPB, even though it's outside the scope of this grant, for the change on the crime victimization benchmark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1351", "start": 9655.315, "end": 9673.749, "text": "But also rethink strongly the— or ask for the rethinking of using injury collision data as a way of justifying, again, not applying— ascribing intent here, but impact, justifying a higher level of stops for Black Portlanders.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 9673.797, "end": 9679.858, "text": "And I'll note there are other disparities which are acknowledged, including the indigenous stops data, by the way, historically.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 9679.922, "end": 9681.083, "text": "But that's what I'm affected by.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 9684.58, "end": 9684.741, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 9685.063, "end": 9692.761, "text": "Councilor Kanal, I think that we should schedule some time in this committee to talk about the issue of disparities in traffic stops.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 9694.17, "end": 9695.619, "text": "But we should fund the disparities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 9695.732, "end": 9708.547, "text": "Well, I don't think that a $103,000 grant, it is, you know, where not the entire hierarchy is here to discuss the policy issues.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 9709.167, "end": 9713.253, "text": "Is the appropriate time to have this big, big policy discussion.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 9713.591, "end": 9714.829, "text": "I mean, you aired it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 9714.893, "end": 9725.278, "text": "I appreciate you airing it, and I want to get a broader discussion on the agenda, but I don't think that we're going to resolve your issues today on this issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 9725.519, "end": 9737.578, "text": "And I think that we should— I want to hear from Councilor Murillo, but I would like to move to a vote on this narrow issue, schedule a future time on the general issue of disparities in traffic stops and hopefully get to the next item on the agenda.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 9737.967, "end": 9738.747, "text": "Councilor Murillo.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 9742.108, "end": 9744.073, "text": "Uh, thank you, Chair Novick.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 9744.362, "end": 9752.921, "text": "Um, I, I have to say, I think this is very backwards because it doesn't really matter that the grant award is small.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 9753.309, "end": 9763.824, "text": "The reality is that this is an expansion of an area of, uh, surveillance that has had really detrimental impacts to Black and brown Portlanders.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1366", "start": 9765.318, "end": 9783.761, "text": "So the idea that this is a scheduling issue as far as how we schedule these meetings and what is put on the agenda— we spent over an hour talking about a county program that we don't even have direct influence or oversight over, and we spent a bunch of time talking about that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 9784.099, "end": 9786.91, "text": "This is something that we have direct responsibility to.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 9787.473, "end": 9790.422, "text": "That can impact the lives of Portlanders very heavily.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 9790.938, "end": 9806.751, "text": "So I agree with what Councilor Kanal is saying, and I would love to work with our new equity director to talk about when the Data Privacy Office is also consulted, because policy and funding go hand in hand.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 9807.22, "end": 9808.529, "text": "They are never separate.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1371", "start": 9808.594, "end": 9810.195, "text": "They are always intricately intertwined.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 9810.877, "end": 9815.91, "text": "And so it doesn't make sense to me to fund something before we know the policy impacts of it.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 9816.007, "end": 9816.234, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 9817.014, "end": 9825.269, "text": "So I am curious, does this particular grant have to move through today, or is this something that can be discussed at the next council meeting's agenda?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 9825.595, "end": 9840.467, "text": "Because I, I don't think it's fair that we should continue to rush certain portions of the agenda that people have strong questions about that we directly impact, while also taking a very long time to talk about things we don't really have direct oversight over.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 9840.533, "end": 9840.648, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 9844.234, "end": 9844.845, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 9846.727, "end": 9848.223, "text": "That's not answering my question.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 9848.336, "end": 9851.07, "text": "Can we hold off the vote for this grant?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 9853.574, "end": 9858.968, "text": "Uh, hey, Gary, is there an urgency in accepting the grant?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 9862.659, "end": 9863.226, "text": "Are you asking me?", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 9863.307, "end": 9863.63, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 9864.181, "end": 9866.754, "text": "Oh, sorry, I didn't realize.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 9868.624, "end": 9869.314, "text": "Can I take—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 9869.522, "end": 9871.399, "text": "I'll defer to my colleague Ben.", "speaker": "Kari Mosdin" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 9872.008, "end": 9873.516, "text": "My name is, for the record, Ben Smione.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 9873.596, "end": 9879.353, "text": "I'm a grants analyst with the Grants Management Division, and PPB is one of the bureaus in my portfolio.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 9880.476, "end": 9881.871, "text": "There is a bit of an urgency.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 9881.935, "end": 9882.304, "text": "So this—.", "speaker": "Brian Hughes" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 9882.496, "end": 9885.592, "text": "The grant period ends on September 30th.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 9887.067, "end": 9889.761, "text": "We've mentioned that there is the possibility of extension.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 9890.419, "end": 9901.808, "text": "What that will look like, what the possibility of that Or what the actual potential of it, I'm not quite sure because this is a pass-through from ODOT, from NHTSA.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 9902.115, "end": 9905.28, "text": "And in order to get an extension, it may look like a carryover.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 9905.441, "end": 9908.62, "text": "It may look like we have to reapply for a new grant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 9908.668, "end": 9916.483, "text": "There isn't a guarantee because they would have to get approval to spend their funds in the next federal fiscal year from NHTSA.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 9916.788, "end": 9927.939, "text": "And working in federal grants right now, it says the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration will— could take months.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 9928.132, "end": 9928.646, "text": "We may not know.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 9929.756, "end": 9936.972, "text": "And so if the sooner this is appropriated, the better.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 9938.069, "end": 9940.988, "text": "So it has to be done before September 30th, you said.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 9941.151, "end": 9944.026, "text": "Is there another CABS meeting before September 30th?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 9946.899, "end": 9947.287, "text": "There is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 9949.419, "end": 9955.767, "text": "I, I think that we should take some real time in a future meeting to talk about the broader issue.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 9956.39, "end": 9968.814, "text": "And in response to your previous comment, Councilor Murillo, if I had been told that this $100,000 grant item was going to be used as a forum for a much broader discussion, then I would have scheduled more time for it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 9968.976, "end": 9971.659, "text": "I was not aware that this is going to be the subject for much broader discussion.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 9971.707, "end": 9971.869, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 9974.828, "end": 9979.901, "text": "So I frankly would like to move ahead, vote on this, have the larger discussion later.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 9981.058, "end": 9985.264, "text": "And I'm going to ask Councilor Smith to ask whatever questions she has to ask.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 9986.597, "end": 9986.95, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 9988.058, "end": 9990.804, "text": "I do agree with you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 9990.852, "end": 9992.008, "text": "I think we need to vote on this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 9992.072, "end": 9997.419, "text": "This money comes from the feds that is passed through, through ODOT, that we need to do this before the next council meeting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 9998.28, "end": 9999.035, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 10000.882, "end": 10002.505, "text": "This is a bigger conversation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 10002.553, "end": 10004.369, "text": "It's not a CAPS conversation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 10004.417, "end": 10007.695, "text": "This is a policy conversation, a budget overall.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 10007.791, "end": 10012.42, "text": "This is something that needs to come through the Committee of the Whole, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 10013.256, "end": 10017.945, "text": "We don't have the time or the resources to nitpick this process.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 10018.01, "end": 10028.272, "text": "It's already in process, and it is actually going to do something to help streamline the data that we have, and I'd be supporting pushing this through right now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 10029.357, "end": 10030.166, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 10031.072, "end": 10031.865, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 10032.25, "end": 10032.799, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 10034.61, "end": 10043.555, "text": "Yeah, just, I want to point out in the last item that the one that the county item that Councilor Murillo mentioned, and by the way, I agree with Councilor Murillo's other questions about this item as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 10044.899, "end": 10067.234, "text": "We talked about disparities there, and the grounds for determining a disparity was comparison So I think it's really important that we observe that that standard is common, and the fact that we are not even acknowledging that a problem exists while simultaneously being asked to expand it by— I understand $100,000 is not a big amount.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 10068.423, "end": 10075.766, "text": "I don't want to expand something that's a problem by a dollar if we are not able to have the conversation about how to make it not a problem.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 10075.847, "end": 10080.571, "text": "Councilmember I think that's a fair thing because at some— I mean, we're going to be voting on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 10080.652, "end": 10087.823, "text": "It's going to be our stance on whether or not to accept this money, which also means whether or not to do this work that is funded by the grant.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 10088.065, "end": 10089.144, "text": "And that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 10089.208, "end": 10091.173, "text": "It just means that we should evaluate whether to do it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 10092.477, "end": 10093.427, "text": "I understand your position.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 10095.919, "end": 10101.339, "text": "Uh, can I have a motion to move this item to full council with the recommendation to be accepted?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 10101.582, "end": 10102.035, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 10103.422, "end": 10104.097, "text": "Do I have a second?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 10107.015, "end": 10107.409, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 10108.411, "end": 10109.381, "text": "Will the clerk please call the roll?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 10112.35, "end": 10113.764, "text": "All right, uh, Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 10115.662, "end": 10115.822, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 10117.221, "end": 10117.639, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 10118.877, "end": 10118.974, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 10119.553, "end": 10119.906, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 10120.566, "end": 10120.646, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 10121.226, "end": 10121.646, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 10123.064, "end": 10123.225, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 10124.128, "end": 10124.531, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 10124.918, "end": 10124.95, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 10126.046, "end": 10138.783, "text": "Uh, with 3 ayes and 2 nos, The motion to refer the document— or sorry, to refer the ordinance, document number 2026-278, to City Council with a recommendation it be passed has passed.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 10141.059, "end": 10141.487, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 10141.553, "end": 10142.524, "text": "Could you call the next item?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 10145.796, "end": 10169.945, "text": "Item number 5, shown on the agenda as item number 6, document number 2026-186, add psychedelic health please proceed.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 10173.66, "end": 10176.426, "text": "Good morning, Chair Novick, members of the committee.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 10176.587, "end": 10177.906, "text": "Thank you for having us here this morning.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 10178.019, "end": 10188.315, "text": "I am Courtney Moran, here on behalf of the Portland Psychedelic Society Action I believe our sponsors or their staff are on their way up here, but I will just get started.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 10189.48, "end": 10191.605, "text": "Thank you for the opportunity to continue this discussion today.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 10192.491, "end": 10207.008, "text": "We've really appreciated the collaboration and the efforts made by our sponsors and members of the committee and also the County Health Department since the last hearing to address some of the questions that came up during the last hearing regarding the creation of the advisory commission.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 10208.363, "end": 10210.014, "text": "Would you like me to pause, Devin, so you can—.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 10211.007, "end": 10211.552, "text": "No, you're—.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 10211.552, "end": 10212.369, "text": "You take it away.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 10212.994, "end": 10224.997, "text": "Um, so while we had hoped to advance the ordinance with the creation of an advisory body as originally introduced, our board understands that the committee has not yet been able to agree on amendments for language on the commission.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 10225.654, "end": 10243.888, "text": "As such, we understand that Councilor Kanal's amendment, um, will likely get brought forward again this morning, and we we are, as a board, supportive because we do not want the concerns around the commission to prevent the deprioritization ordinance from passing out of committee to the full council today.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 10244.452, "end": 10249.976, "text": "And as such, we will respectfully ask for your yes votes on the deprioritization ordinance to move to the full council.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 10250.411, "end": 10250.717, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 10252.166, "end": 10252.552, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 10255.641, "end": 10257.169, "text": "Councilor Karl, do you want to move your amendment?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 10257.651, "end": 10258.552, "text": "Sure, if there's the right time there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 10258.681, "end": 10261.918, "text": "Yeah, I, uh, First off, thank you for being here as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 10262.016, "end": 10262.757, "text": "Devin, as well, I see you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 10264.316, "end": 10266.904, "text": "I formally move Amendment Kanal 1.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 10267.405, "end": 10272.435, "text": "Just to speak to what it does, the amendment removes Directive B in the underlying ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 10272.985, "end": 10291.649, "text": "It makes an amendment to subsection 14B.140.010C, which is new code being added in Exhibit A that just references the creation of the advisory body, and then it removes Exhibit B in its entirety, which has information specific to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 10291.891, "end": 10292.844, "text": "And I would ask for a second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 10298.797, "end": 10300.64, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Denise Peña" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 10303.906, "end": 10304.681, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 10307.139, "end": 10307.559, "text": "Can you—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 10307.85, "end": 10309.135, "text": "I mean, this has been going on a while.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 10309.353, "end": 10311.042, "text": "I'm starting to lose the thread a little bit.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 10311.093, "end": 10325.811, "text": "Like what was the— you made some arguments about why the advisory board and the advisory body— I thought that maybe you were going to say what they would advise on would change, like harm reduction.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 10325.891, "end": 10331.745, "text": "I agree, it's really not a city role, but maybe they would advise on enforcement practices.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 10331.794, "end": 10335.58, "text": "So can you rearticulate why you want to get rid of this body?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 10335.629, "end": 10354.209, "text": "Because I'm not sure I'm well, my understanding was the intent of the proponents was for this body to, among other things, provide essentially public health advice to advise people on the appropriate use of psychedelics.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1479", "start": 10354.706, "end": 10359.598, "text": "And I was concerned about potential liability for the city if there was a city body that was giving advice on that.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1480", "start": 10359.999, "end": 10364.586, "text": "I was concerned about our capacity to even figure out who the right people were to be to give that advice.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1481", "start": 10364.634, "end": 10365.099, "text": "I think that's a very fair point.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1482", "start": 10367.679, "end": 10369.731, "text": "And I was concerned.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 10369.779, "end": 10373.833, "text": "It seemed to me that this is a public health issue that I would have expected the county to take on.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 10374.346, "end": 10384.954, "text": "So I was simply uneasy about the idea of having a city advisory body on psychedelics, given that it's something that we don't have much expertise in.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 10385.339, "end": 10390.147, "text": "I actually was willing to continue the conversation and see if some of my concerns could be addressed.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 10390.227, "end": 10390.675, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1487", "start": 10391.157, "end": 10397.445, "text": "And I did not tell the proponents that I was just— that I was insisting on stripping this out.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1488", "start": 10397.91, "end": 10408.224, "text": "But since the proponents are comfortable with moving forward with just the deprioritization and putting a pause on the advisory body, I was willing to accept that suggestion.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1489", "start": 10409.7, "end": 10411, "text": "Councilor Kanal, anything else to add?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1490", "start": 10411.689, "end": 10435.636, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate Courtney being clear about what the relative priorities are, and I think that the idea of doing the The primary purpose of city legislation now and not delaying on that while we figure out what might be possibly a good way to do an advisory body is one of the big reasons why this isn't a wholesale rewrite of Exhibit B, but is instead a removal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1491", "start": 10437.63, "end": 10444.641, "text": "Everything that Councilor Novick said, as someone who staffed 5 different bodies related to police, I think that this is a good way to go.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1492", "start": 10444.835, "end": 10445.286, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1493", "start": 10445.902, "end": 10453.663, "text": "I can't speak for PSSA, but I don't know that we need another advisory body to advise the Portland Police Bureau at this moment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1494", "start": 10454.804, "end": 10455.886, "text": "I only advised 5 of them.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1495", "start": 10455.935, "end": 10462.47, "text": "There are many others that I didn't directly work with, but had the sort of knowledge of.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1496", "start": 10463.149, "end": 10470.712, "text": "And then the last thing I'd say is, I think that without that comprehensive conversation, Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1497", "start": 10471.432, "end": 10486.721, "text": "I don't like the idea of not being fully developed enough where we're asking volunteers to step into something that is going to be, um, outside of the scope of the city, meaning that their, their advice would not be able to be heeded by the city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1498", "start": 10487.539, "end": 10502.247, "text": "Um, and I can tell you from talking to volunteers— I tried to do exit interviews as people left— um, that's something that was concerning to me, is the idea that I'm here, I'm talking about it, I care about this issue and I'm putting in free time as a volunteer without the ability to be successful.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 10502.893, "end": 10503.102, "text": "So that—.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 10503.215, "end": 10504.006, "text": "Those are all the reasons.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 10504.199, "end": 10510.364, "text": "I will say that for me, I would be very open to the conversation about what to do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 10510.412, "end": 10512.833, "text": "It just doesn't have to be through this particular legislative item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 10513.366, "end": 10518.139, "text": "And I do want to commit again to having that conversation separate from this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 10521.039, "end": 10532.326, "text": "And then from the proponent's perspective or sponsor's perspective, The reason that you all wanted an advisory panel or advisory body to the City of Portland, would you mind restating that?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 10544.31, "end": 10546.311, "text": "Hello, uh, my name is Max Kellman.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1506", "start": 10546.359, "end": 10548.635, "text": "I'm the executive director of the Portland Psychedelic Society.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1507", "start": 10548.699, "end": 10550.039, "text": "Can you please repeat the question?", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1508", "start": 10551.309, "end": 10553.158, "text": "They're asking us to cut out a thing you like.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1509", "start": 10553.222, "end": 10554.428, "text": "I'd like to know why you like it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1510", "start": 10555.313, "end": 10561.656, "text": "Why we liked it, because this is a very fast-moving field of research and study right now.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1511", "start": 10563.873, "end": 10566.235, "text": "The impacts on policy and communities is real.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1512", "start": 10566.866, "end": 10574.063, "text": "And so bringing experts together to help advise legislators, bureaucracy, would be advisable.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1513", "start": 10574.289, "end": 10579.429, "text": "And that's what we want to bring to the table of what's already happening in the field already in our city.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1514", "start": 10579.53, "end": 10585.43, "text": "City and our state and beyond, uh, to bring it to the table of the city, the county, and the state.", "speaker": "Max Kellman" }, { "id": "cue-1515", "start": 10589, "end": 10589.242, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Gerald Skelton" }, { "id": "cue-1516", "start": 10590.712, "end": 10601.427, "text": "I mean, I think last time I highlighted some challenges here, which is I don't see the county public health department promoting, right?", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1517", "start": 10601.476, "end": 10611.375, "text": "This is this balance between harm reduction and promotion, and I've said on the record many times in terms of this aspect of the county's public health, I don't think they have a great record.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1518", "start": 10620.751, "end": 10622.303, "text": "The—.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1519", "start": 10622.466, "end": 10642.43, "text": "It gives me a little bit of pause in the I don't even know what the right word is, but we decriminalize this thing that will then be available with a void of information about it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1520", "start": 10646.829, "end": 10647.168, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1521", "start": 10647.265, "end": 10653.009, "text": "I didn't know that this was being developed, so I am reacting a little bit just since late last night, frankly.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1522", "start": 10656.216, "end": 10658.815, "text": "I'm going to actually just hold my comments.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1523", "start": 10658.863, "end": 10661.125, "text": "I'd like to see where others' questions go.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1524", "start": 10661.446, "end": 10661.687, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 10662.168, "end": 10664.029, "text": "Councilor, can I add just a few comments here?", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 10664.093, "end": 10666.307, "text": "I just want to clarify, we are not decriminalizing.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 10666.356, "end": 10669.677, "text": "It's just a deprioritization for law enforcement.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1528", "start": 10669.725, "end": 10671.393, "text": "So that is not something that the city can do.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1529", "start": 10671.457, "end": 10674.089, "text": "That has to be done at the state level, and that's not what the ordinance does.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1530", "start": 10674.586, "end": 10679.431, "text": "The other piece is that the advisory body was never intended to promote use.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1531", "start": 10679.495, "end": 10693.253, "text": "It was to have a group of experts available to the city to provide evidence-based information as the police need it for any sort of implementation or for guidance or for the council as they want to develop future policies.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 10693.302, "end": 10697.123, "text": "So there's never any intent to encourage use.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 10697.171, "end": 10706.788, "text": "It's really just to provide that evidence-based information, have a group of experts available to all of you, to the mayor's office, to the city, to our police bureau.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 10707.093, "end": 10707.976, "text": "That's the intent.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 10708.089, "end": 10708.313, "text": "I think that—.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 10708.313, "end": 10708.474, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 10708.618, "end": 10710.208, "text": "You said it so much better than I did.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 10711.205, "end": 10719.192, "text": "I think the point there was something attractive in the original ordinance, which was a deprioritization.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 10719.321, "end": 10720.143, "text": "Thank you for correcting me.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 10720.711, "end": 10733.053, "text": "Deprioritization and how to implement that, meaning law enforcement knows what drugs are, they know how to enforce drugs.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1541", "start": 10733.471, "end": 10735.434, "text": "I know what a nail is if I'm a hammer.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1542", "start": 10735.578, "end": 10736.125, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1543", "start": 10736.557, "end": 10741.6, "text": "But if I need to do something a little different, I might need to be advised on the other tools.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1544", "start": 10741.777, "end": 10751.831, "text": "And so there was an aspect of that that was attractive to me that now taking this out puts us into a little bit of a decision advisory void space.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1545", "start": 10751.927, "end": 10754.577, "text": "So I think that's what I'm probably wrestling with.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 10754.641, "end": 10755.846, "text": "So I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 10756.89, "end": 10759.187, "text": "Again, I'm going to kind of listen to the rest of the conversation on this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 10760.182, "end": 10772.597, "text": "I think that's a very fair comment back, and I just I just want to also say that the advisory body was not necessarily to advise the police on their implementation, but more to serve as a reference for the police in their own implementation of the ordinance.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 10772.92, "end": 10781.294, "text": "If they needed access to information or experts or some other type of resources, that they would have a group to go to that has been vetted for their access.", "speaker": "Courtney Moran" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 10791.327, "end": 10791.984, "text": "Thank you for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 10792.048, "end": 10807.832, "text": "Yeah, I think the 2 things that were brought up last time and not yet on this one is one, the responsibility level of jurisdictions, meaning a lot of this is about, I mean, as we just heard, advising the county and the state.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 10807.993, "end": 10813.441, "text": "But once again, them not, those 2 jurisdictions not taking on this work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1553", "start": 10813.698, "end": 10813.939, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1554", "start": 10813.988, "end": 10823.876, "text": "Means that us with our limited tax— taxing authority would be asked to take on a job that would be better done at another jurisdiction, in my opinion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1555", "start": 10824.166, "end": 10832.918, "text": "I do see a merit in the idea that, I can't remember who brought it up a couple weeks ago, about seeing if we could work together like a Multnomah Youth Commission type of thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1556", "start": 10834.165, "end": 10837.985, "text": "But that's not something we can do unilaterally through an exhibit here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1557", "start": 10839.686, "end": 10843.006, "text": "The Exhibit B is not in my amendment because my amendment just removes it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1558", "start": 10843.086, "end": 10849.886, "text": "So for reference, it's not in there, but you can see the file if you go to the page for just this proposed ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1559", "start": 10850.592, "end": 10856.51, "text": "And, you know, first thing is harm reduction, research and recommend evidence-based harm reduction approaches.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1560", "start": 10856.863, "end": 10861.642, "text": "Second thing is study the use of natural psychedelics in alleviating alcohol or opioid dependency and other addictions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1561", "start": 10863.053, "end": 10869.406, "text": "Third thing is a strategic plan for Benchmarks for city consideration about natural psychedelics being used safely.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1562", "start": 10870.015, "end": 10872.534, "text": "It also includes the low priority for law enforcement.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1563", "start": 10872.582, "end": 10875.55, "text": "So 2.5 of the first 3 are sort of outside the scope.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 10876.032, "end": 10882.738, "text": "And as you continue down it, a lot of it is things that I actually very much support and I think is great to do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 10883.011, "end": 10886.268, "text": "But a lot of it is outside the scope of what the city does.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 10887.006, "end": 10893.025, "text": "In terms of the— I think Councilor Zimmerman's point about advisory deficit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 10893.667, "end": 10909.28, "text": "I think that it may be worth considering how to ask for— I mean, there is a Behavioral Health Unit Advisory Committee that has some interest and has discussed this at PPB, not to the degree of the expertise that something like this would be seeking to do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 10909.891, "end": 10922.209, "text": "But I do think that there are places for entry into that space that don't necessarily require a new thank you, councilor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1569", "start": 10922.988, "end": 10928.956, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue— bless you— could the clerk call the roll on this amendment?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1570", "start": 10930.74, "end": 10930.966, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1571", "start": 10931.565, "end": 10932.52, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1572", "start": 10934.317, "end": 10934.932, "text": "On the amendment, aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1573", "start": 10936.24, "end": 10936.644, "text": "Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1574", "start": 10939.828, "end": 10940.443, "text": "Apologies.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1575", "start": 10940.669, "end": 10942.825, "text": "Because I— Oh, sorry.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1576", "start": 10943.404, "end": 10944.852, "text": "Oh, apologies, I called you out of order.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1577", "start": 10946.863, "end": 10947.522, "text": "Oh, that's okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 10948.15, "end": 10952.784, "text": "Um, I— because I think it's what's needed to make sure the broader policy passes, aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 10953.959, "end": 10954.313, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 10954.603, "end": 10954.748, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 10956.293, "end": 10956.583, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1582", "start": 10957.034, "end": 10957.243, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1583", "start": 10958.209, "end": 10958.45, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1584", "start": 10959.014, "end": 10959.046, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1585", "start": 10960.141, "end": 10975.734, "text": "With, uh, 3 ayes and 2 nays, the, uh, motion to amend the directive in the ordinance and subsection— and remove subsections A out of Exhibit A and Exhibit B has passed.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1586", "start": 10977.776, "end": 10979.149, "text": "Any discussion of the underlying ordinance?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1587", "start": 10981.31, "end": 10981.924, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 10982.538, "end": 10991.332, "text": "Yeah, uh, now that that is passed, and thank you colleagues for the support for that, um, this ordinance is a great thing and I'm very glad to the sponsors for putting it forward.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 10991.67, "end": 11011.271, "text": "Um, I think as I read through the code, um, it's pretty clear and it aligns with some of the other things we've heard from not only the police bureau, but broadly the administration about sort of how we should prioritize our efforts with limited resources and a need for ordering of priorities.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 11012.666, "end": 11021.022, "text": "I think that the statement in the ordinance language that particularly talked to me was about the effectiveness of law enforcement prioritization.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 11021.07, "end": 11023.92, "text": "I think we've had this conversation in 15 different ways Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 11023.92, "end": 11023.92, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 11023.92, "end": 11042.04, "text": "I think we've made some progress in the, in the council, but defining low priority as having, quote, I think this is a quote, little or no measurable negative impact on the health, safety, and welfare of the public, but also stating that enforcement of this will generally get addressed, if at all, after higher priority crimes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 11042.04, "end": 11050.6, "text": "It's clear that we're not completely stepping away from this, but just having a clear measurement and order of operations.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 11051.615, "end": 11053.322, "text": "So I'm very supportive of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 11053.692, "end": 11057.347, "text": "I appreciate the work of the sponsors in developing it in the first place, as well as the advocates.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 11057.412, "end": 11059.843, "text": "I know some of the others, uh, are not just at the table.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 11059.908, "end": 11060.713, "text": "I see in the back as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 11060.81, "end": 11061.601, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 11062.005, "end": 11063.103, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 11064.831, "end": 11065.137, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 11065.315, "end": 11066.268, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1603", "start": 11066.865, "end": 11075.257, "text": "I asked this question in committee on June 2nd, and I asked it again on June— July 7th, and I have yet to get a clear answer.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 11075.84, "end": 11083.302, "text": "If this is all already a low priority for PPB, what is the purpose of putting in an ordinance?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 11084.103, "end": 11089.36, "text": "If PPB decides to make it a high priority at any point, then they can do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1606", "start": 11090.017, "end": 11099.856, "text": "Even if we pass this ordinance, it is up to PPB at their discretion to determine and prioritize based on the need of the community.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1607", "start": 11100.449, "end": 11101.843, "text": "So I will ask the question again.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1608", "start": 11102.757, "end": 11107.951, "text": "If it is already a low priority for police, why are we putting this forward?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1609", "start": 11108.64, "end": 11110.243, "text": "I'm not going to share.", "speaker": "Unidentified 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"cue-1638", "start": 11297.733, "end": 11301.164, "text": "So I'm still not understanding the answer.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 11301.629, "end": 11305.861, "text": "It's to give people psychological comfortability?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 11306.47, "end": 11307.031, "text": "Safety.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 11307.095, "end": 11309.468, "text": "Well, safety, you do, you do have the ability.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 11309.58, "end": 11310.445, "text": "That is the job.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 11310.622, "end": 11313.81, "text": "Is to help inform directives and support law enforcement.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 11313.859, "end": 11314.696, "text": "So I don't know how to—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 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"text": "But they're not bothering anybody.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 11351.996, "end": 11352.589, "text": "I hear your point.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 11352.669, "end": 11362.969, "text": "In 2017, when there was a renewed force to— or renewed push to move people out of the country, even if they were here legally, we renewed our— and I worked on this policy.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 11363.402, "end": 11368.474, "text": "We renewed our sanctuary city law, and the pushback from some was, why do this?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 11368.538, "end": 11369.373, "text": "It's not a problem yet.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 11369.999, "end": 11377.783, "text": "I don't know how to explain that other than that is a well-traveled policy and cultural phenomenon where we change laws to reflect a cultural norm.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 11378.072, "end": 11396.05, "text": "Over at the county, me and Chair Kefaurui, we sponsored that and it passed because we wanted to give people the sense that we would not be coming for them because there was a direct I don't see a direct threat coming from the city police in regards to this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 11396.05, "end": 11396.83, "text": "That's all I'm saying.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 11397.13, "end": 11397.39, "text": "I—.", "speaker": "Lauren Johnson" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 11397.39, "end": 11400.01, "text": "Look, you may have your votes for it, and it's fine.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 11400.01, "end": 11408.73, "text": "I'm just saying I don't see that there's been direct threats to this group of people from city police doing anything different from what they've said they were doing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 11408.73, "end": 11409.15, "text": "Totally agree.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 11409.15, "end": 11410.75, "text": "And it's not really about them.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 11410.75, "end": 11416.31, "text": "It's the people that we talked to, which is a ton of people who are living in the 56th anniversary of the drug war.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 11416.31, "end": 11416.55, "text": "And so I think that's what we need to be talking about.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 11416.673, "end": 11421.301, "text": "And that is the thing that they can't detach between certain bureaus and agencies.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 11421.574, "end": 11422.908, "text": "They don't know what the acronym is.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 11423.486, "end": 11434.075, "text": "And so it is, if you talk to a person in this space, I think you'll be happy with what you hear, 'cause nothing you're saying is off, but it is different than the experience of the people on the ground that we're talking to.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 11434.172, "end": 11435.168, "text": "We need to wrap this up.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 11435.232, "end": 11436.004, "text": "We're over time.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 11436.582, "end": 11438.205, "text": "We need to let the clerk's office go.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 11438.607, "end": 11439.78, "text": "Councilor Kanal, quickly.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 11440.519, "end": 11443.89, "text": "Yeah, I find it, Thank you for the answer.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 11444.307, "end": 11449.006, "text": "I think there's a broader conversation that we need to have later about what our role is.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1673", "start": 11449.278, "end": 11450.209, "text": "If PPB decides—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1674", "start": 11450.225, "end": 11450.658, "text": "There's a quote—.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1675", "start": 11450.658, "end": 11454.859, "text": "If PPB decides to make it a high priority at any point, then they can do that even if we pass this ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1676", "start": 11454.908, "end": 11457.057, "text": "It's up to PPB, end quote.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 11457.233, "end": 11466.438, "text": "I think implies that either PPB will be breaking the law or that the legislative body of the city is an advisory group.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 11467.08, "end": 11467.705, "text": "I think neither of those is true.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 11468.364, "end": 11472.297, "text": "And so I think we should put this forward and understand that we have a legislative role as a city.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 11472.94, "end": 11474.208, "text": "Thanks, City Council.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 11474.256, "end": 11483.473, "text": "Okay, seeing no one else in the queue, uh, like, do we have a motion to, uh, send the underlying ordinance to full council, the recommendation to be adopted?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 11483.939, "end": 11484.677, "text": "Did we already have that?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 11484.773, "end": 11485.143, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 11485.624, "end": 11485.865, "text": "What?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1685", "start": 11487.086, "end": 11487.728, "text": "So moved.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1686", "start": 11489.061, "end": 11491.453, "text": "Okay, Councilor Morillo moves, Councilor Kanal seconds.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1687", "start": 11491.806, "end": 11493.027, "text": "Could the clerk please call the roll?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1688", "start": 11494.44, "end": 11494.777, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1689", "start": 11495.499, "end": 11499.835, "text": "For document number 2026-186, Morillo?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1690", "start": 11501.184, "end": 11501.232, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 11502.083, "end": 11502.532, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 11502.789, "end": 11502.95, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 11503.464, "end": 11503.721, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 11504.973, "end": 11505.134, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 11505.921, "end": 11506.145, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 11506.659, "end": 11507.494, "text": "Thanks to the sponsors, aye.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 11508.185, "end": 11508.49, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 11509.132, "end": 11509.18, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 11510.272, "end": 11524.414, "text": "With a vote of 4 ayes and 1 nay, the motion to refer the ordinance as amended, document number 2026-186, to City Council with a recommendation it be passed has thank you.", "speaker": "Keelan McClymont" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 11524.802, "end": 11525.384, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 11525.691, "end": 11526.888, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 11526.969, "end": 11531.821, "text": "Um, with that, this meeting of the Committee on Community and Public Safety is adjourned.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 11533.979, "end": 11535.294, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" } ] }