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<v Olivia Clark>Good morning, everyone.

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<v Olivia Clark>Uh, I'm going to call the meeting of the Public Works Committee to order.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's Tuesday, July 28th, at 9:32.

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<v Olivia Clark>Deanna, can you please call the roll?

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<v Gabe Graff>Good morning.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Absent.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Clerk?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And Claire, can you please read the statement of conduct?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Chair.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Good morning and welcome to the meeting of the Public Works Committee.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Claire.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, colleagues, uh, for today's meeting, we have 2 updates from PBOT, uh, on topics where there is a lot of interest and a lot of anticipation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>First, we're going to hear about the implementation of the TUF and the street damage restoration fee based on direction that the council gave them that passed this year.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And then we'll have a discussion of automated vehicles, including in-progress rulemaking, and I would like to entertain possibly policy concepts.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But before we get to our main items, we need to adopt committee minutes for our meeting of June 9th and June 23rd.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Let's see.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Diana, can you please read the first item?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item number 1, June 9th, 2026 to June 23rd, 2026 Public Works Committee meeting minutes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Great.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Do I have any comments, objections, support?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Seeing okay, so, um, the minutes are approved by unanimous consent.

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<v Unidentified speaker>No objections.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Great, let's move on.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, Diana, can you please read the first item?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Item number 2, document number 2026-265, update on local transportation funding.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Terrific.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So colleagues, uh, as you recall, when we passed the transportation utility fee and the street damage restoration fee this spring, seems like so long ago at this point.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We included there lots of concerns, lots of work to be done by PBOT.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So my understanding is that there is specific methodology on some of those concerns is still being determined, but we're going to get an initial status update today.

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<v Unidentified speaker>As well as a preview of some of the more detailed information that we're going to get in the fall before implementation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So with that, I would like to hand this off to— I see Director Williams is here and Shoshana Cohen and Gabriel Graff.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Welcome.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you for being here this morning.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We're happy to see you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We're really looking forward to this update.

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<v Millicent Williams>Good morning.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you so much for having us.

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<v Millicent Williams>Give me one second, please.

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<v Millicent Williams>Shift some things around this morning.

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<v Millicent Williams>So good morning.

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<v Millicent Williams>My name is Millicent Williams.

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<v Millicent Williams>I am the director of the Portland Bureau of Transportation, and we'd like to thank you, Council Vice President Clark, and members of the committee for having us here today.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'm pleased that we're here today to provide a report back to the progress of setting up our new local funding next slide, please.

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<v Millicent Williams>Our Public Works service area delivers clean drinking water, maintains an award-winning parks and recreation system, provides reliable sewer and stormwater services, and keeps our transportation system safe and accessible so people can get to where they need to go.

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<v Millicent Williams>For years, funding for the maintenance of a safe and accessible transportation system has been eroding and unable to keep up with the needs of the system.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thanks to you and your council colleagues, PBOT's transportation funding is now a bit more stable.

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<v Millicent Williams>The transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee have already helped to stabilize this year's PBOT's budget and helped our staff to plan for the year with a certainty that we have not had for many, many years.

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<v Millicent Williams>While these mechanisms are helping to stabilize transportation funding, rolling them out is a collaborative Public Works project.

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<v Millicent Williams>We are 5 months away from implementation of the transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee, and we're working together as a service area on communications and many structural preparations.

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<v Millicent Williams>This is an exciting opportunity for cross-bureau collaboration, and I'm pleased to be here today with our first implementation update.

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<v Millicent Williams>As has already been mentioned, we've had challenges across all fronts at the federal, State and local level.

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<v Millicent Williams>One could say PBOT's financial foundation is standing on a wobbly stool.

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<v Millicent Williams>And if you'll advance to the next slide, I'm sorry I didn't mention that.

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<v Millicent Williams>And even though this graphic, which I am not a huge fan of, shows one wobbly leg, we've had really 3 wobbly legs.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Great graphic.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you for whoever did that.

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<v Millicent Williams>Your compliments to the chef.

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<v Millicent Williams>Next.

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<v Millicent Williams>So thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>The local funding for our work has been coming from the local gas tax and the heavy vehicle use tax.

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<v Millicent Williams>The local gas tax now buys half of what it did when it was established in 2016, and our ability to fund our work has been steadily decreasing.

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<v Millicent Williams>Next slide, please.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thanks to all of you, we now have a much more solid foundation at the local level.

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<v Millicent Williams>There will be another attempt at a statewide transportation package during the 2027 session, and PBOT's ability to continue to stabilize our operations and maintain our transportation system will still be dependent on a successful transportation package.

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<v Millicent Williams>However, today we are here to focus on the implementation work that we have begun around these new local funding sources.

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<v Millicent Williams>Once again, I wish to thank all of you for making this work possible.

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<v Millicent Williams>If not for the transportation utility fee, PBOT would have faced very significant reductions in services this fiscal year.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you for preventing this loss of critical services and for providing funding for maintenance, operations, and safety work on our transportation system.

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<v Millicent Williams>Today, we are here to provide our first update on the progress we are making to implement the Transportation Utility Fee and the Street Damage Restoration Fee.

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<v Millicent Williams>Implementing these new revenue sources and delivering this work is a bureau-wide and, as has already been mentioned, really a service area-wide effort.

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<v Millicent Williams>It involves teams from maintenance, engineering, project management, Vision Zero, Finance, our utility partners, and others.

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<v Millicent Williams>Some of our work in the first few months has been focused on setting up an internal structure that will ensure we are coordinating this large body of work across teams and delivering in a transparent and accountable way.

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<v Millicent Williams>To that end, I'd like to introduce Gabe Graff, who will be— excuse me.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'd like to introduce Gabe Graff, who you will be hearing from during this presentation.

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<v Millicent Williams>He is taking on this overall project management of delivering this work.

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<v Millicent Williams>Gabe is a seasoned project manager.

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<v Millicent Williams>He works in some of the most difficult environments to deliver on amazing work, and he is, uh, he is respected throughout the community, and he's respected throughout the bureau, and we're excited to have him on board for this critical project.

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<v Millicent Williams>As you know, the transportation utility fee and the street damage restoration fee will both go into effect on January 1st.

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<v Millicent Williams>We're still building the program and getting ready.

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<v Millicent Williams>Today we are here with the initial updates because we want to bring you along on our process.

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<v Millicent Williams>However, we still have additional work to do, and we will be back again both in September and November to go deeper.

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<v Millicent Williams>Next slide, please.

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<v Millicent Williams>So here's our agenda for our presentation.

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<v Millicent Williams>We'll share an update on the implementation timeline and a reminder about the transportation utility fee directives that we are working on.

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<v Millicent Williams>We'll provide an overview of this year's budget allocations and then discuss the implementation work that we're doing around communications, Billing, financial assistance, methodology updates, utility outreach, and accountability.

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<v Millicent Williams>Now I'll turn it over to PBOT Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen to begin with the timeline for our work.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you, Director.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>For the record, I'm Shoshana Cohen, PBOT Chief of Staff.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This implementation schedule before you includes upcoming milestones for both the transportation utility fee and the street damage restoration fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have a busy 6 months or so ahead of us.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It's already been a busy 6 months, but continuing.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have a special Fixing Our Streets Oversight Committee meeting next week on August 4th.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then we will be back, as has already been mentioned, before this committee again in September with a more detailed update.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then we expect to return to council again in November with a code alignment ordinance and to ensure the code reflects all the directives related to the transportation utility fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And as directed, we'll be holding a rate hearing for the non-residential methodology by February 15th.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we also plan on hosting district open houses in February.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This is the time when people will be receiving their first bills early in the year for the transportation utility fee, and we want to be out in community at that point making sure that people are able to learn about the work that is being funded.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Currently, the Street Damage Restoration Fee team is drafting revised administrative rules to incorporate the damage fee into the current permitting process.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>As part of the drafting process, we're engaging impacted utilities to help inform, review, and refine these rules.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We also have permitting software updates that we're working on to allow for the coordination and assessment work that's required with the street damage restoration fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And for both the transportation utility fee and street damage fee, we have ongoing outreach and communications work.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So this is a summary of the directives that were included in the transportation utility fee ordinance.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And these directives, you know, thank you for all of them.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>They really are driving our implementation work.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>You provided guidance around revenue allocation, establishing a low-income discount for multifamily housing residents, developing a commercial appeals process and an impact-based rate methodology for the commercial side, and a number of directives around accountability.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we really are working on all of this.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And now to sort of jump more into the details, I'll hand it over to Gabe Graff.

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<v Gabe Graff>Thank you, Shoshana, and thank you, Director Williams, for that kind introduction.

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<v Gabe Graff>For the record, my name is Gabe Graff.

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<v Gabe Graff>I'm a capital project manager at the Portland Bureau of Transportation, and I am newly assigned to manage the standing up of this transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee.

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<v Gabe Graff>I'm just a little over 2 weeks into this assignment, so I still have a lot to learn, and I may lean on my leadership here for questions that I can't answer.

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<v Gabe Graff>That said, I'm very excited about the work ahead and appreciate the opportunity to provide you all with an update.

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<v Gabe Graff>Next slide, please.

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<v Gabe Graff>So this slide shows this year's budget allocation aligned with the direction from the Transportation Utility Fee Ordinance and the Street Damage Restoration Fee Resolution.

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<v Gabe Graff>And we will talk about each of these revenue allocations over the next few slides.

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<v Gabe Graff>But before we do that, I want to highlight for you that we plan to be back in front of this committee in September with a more detailed Local Funding at Work investment strategy, which will really dive into each of the buckets, including more detailed prioritization criteria, reporting metrics, that kind of thing.

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<v Gabe Graff>Today will be more of a high-level overview.

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<v Gabe Graff>You'll note that at the bottom it says initial estimates to be refined.

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<v Gabe Graff>These estimates will change.

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<v Gabe Graff>Some of the factors that will affect our estimated net revenues include fine-tuning our collection costs, the implementation of the low-income discount, working out the appeals process, and other policy and implementation details that will get refined along the way.

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<v Gabe Graff>Next slide.

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<v Gabe Graff>The Transportation Utility Fee, or TUF, funding is split out per council direction with 75% of the funding for maintenance work and 25% of the funding for safety.

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<v Gabe Graff>And the Street Damage Restoration Fee funds are dedicated to pavement maintenance.

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<v Gabe Graff>Next slide.

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<v Gabe Graff>So here we are in the pavement maintenance category, which is where the majority of the new local funding will be invested, with funds coming from both the Street Damage Restoration Fee and the transportation utility fee.

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<v Gabe Graff>You'll see a range of investment levels here from $15 million to $26 million for this fiscal year.

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<v Gabe Graff>And this range is driven by uncertainty on the level of funding that the street damage restoration fee will generate at this stage of our work.

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<v Gabe Graff>This category of work is— this year is focused on basic pavement maintenance, including grind and paves, where we take off the top 2 inches of worn pavement and replace it with a smooth new layer of 2 inches of asphalt.

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<v Gabe Graff>Seals, including crack seals and slurry seals, essentially treatments that prolong the life of existing pavement by preventing water from getting through the pavement and eroding the base layer below.

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<v Gabe Graff>Base repair, where we tackle specific segments of the road where water has gotten through and damaged the supporting road structure underneath.

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<v Gabe Graff>And potholes, which are generally self-explanatory.

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<v Gabe Graff>In all of these categories, the team has put considerable time into thinking through how to prioritize projects and maintenance activities and you can see here we've got some criteria for how we select streets to pave or potholes to patch.

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<v Gabe Graff>Work in this category will be spread across all 4 districts with a focus on streets of citywide significance.

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<v Gabe Graff>These are streets that play critical roles in moving people and goods across Portland.

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<v Gabe Graff>These streets support transit, high-volume travel, freight, emergency response, and neighborhood greenways are prioritized pedestrian and cycling routes.

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<v Gabe Graff>We're also looking for opportunities to further our safety work and leverage opportunities with our sister bureaus across Public Works and other partners.

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<v Gabe Graff>On all categories of work, we are committed to transparent reporting on our progress, and you'll see here our reporting metrics are lane miles paved and number of potholes filled.

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<v Gabe Graff>Next slide.

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<v Gabe Graff>Okay, the streetlights and signals bucket of work is also in the maintenance category, also funded by the transportation utility fee, with $1.8 million invested in this fiscal year.

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<v Gabe Graff>This work will be focused on repairing streetlight knockdowns and vandalism, applying protective coatings to streetlights, and signal and rapid flashing beacon maintenance.

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<v Gabe Graff>And like all of our maintenance work, while this is in the maintenance category, there are clear safety benefits to these investments, and we're coordinating closely with our Vision Zero team to leverage opportunities to enhance safety alongside these maintenance efforts.

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<v Gabe Graff>Work in this category will also be spread across all 4 districts with work prioritized based on asset condition, the length of the disrepair, and whether the infrastructure is on one of our high crash next slide.

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<v Gabe Graff>Thanks.

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<v Gabe Graff>This slide just gives a little bit more flavor for the type of work that will be funded with the transportation utility fee in the signals and street lighting category.

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<v Gabe Graff>So you can see example projects like rebuilding of signals, addressing vandalism, and repairing or painting streetlights throughout the city.

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<v Gabe Graff>Okay, we're moving on to the safety categories of investment for the transportation utility fee here.

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<v Gabe Graff>In the Vision Zero category, we've got $2.9 million in this first fiscal year focused on both programmatic work and capital improvements.

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<v Gabe Graff>On the programmatic side, we're investing in safety analysis, project identification and development, community engagement, and safety evaluations to ensure our capital investments are having the desired results.

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<v Gabe Graff>The capital investments in the Vision Zero category are focused on high-crash intersections where we can make cost-effective improvements to make intersections safer.

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<v Gabe Graff>We're also looking to leverage that existing maintenance work we talked about earlier to gain additional safety benefits.

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<v Gabe Graff>So for example, when we know we'll be sending crews to do routine signal maintenance, we can also have them install reflective signal backplates, no turn on red signs, or pedestrian head starts, all of which will make intersections safer.

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<v Gabe Graff>Our Vision Zero work is data-driven at every level, including in the project prioritization, and work will be focused in this category on our high-crash network and high-injury road segments.

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<v Gabe Graff>The SIP, or Sidewalk Alternative Pathways category, is our final category of investment, also in the safety bucket.

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<v Gabe Graff>We've got $2.9 million here in this first fiscal year and will be focused on sidewalk infill projects similar to this one shown in the slide on Southeast Flavelle.

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<v Gabe Graff>Project selection for the SIP is building off of our existing plans such as PedPDX with a careful look to project readiness so we can stretch our limited dollars as far as possible.

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<v Gabe Graff>In this category, we are identifying early deliverable small projects in Districts 1 and 4.

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<v Gabe Graff>And looking forward, we are drafting a larger 200% list of potential SIP sidewalk projects building off of previous planning and engagement efforts.

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<v Gabe Graff>We'll be sharing those longer lists and gathering feedback through community engagement and at our February open houses that Shoshana mentioned early next year.

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<v Gabe Graff>Now I'm going to shift gears a little bit and talk a little bit about some of the other program implementation work we've been doing.

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<v Gabe Graff>Thank you.

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<v Gabe Graff>On the communication side, we have launched our Fixing Our Streets, Your Local Funding at Work website.

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<v Gabe Graff>We're going to continue to build out the website, but each of the local funding sources now has a page that can be found at www.portland.gov/fixingourstreets.

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<v Gabe Graff>We're working closely with our partners on the utility customer service team to develop communications that will go out to customers and help them prepare to respond to questions from customers as we get ready for the utility fee implementation date.

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<v Gabe Graff>January is coming up quickly, and as we've mentioned, one of the critical path tasks is making sure that our Public Works colleagues— that with our collaboration with our Public Works colleagues, that our implementation is going smoothly and we're prepared for January rollout.

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<v Gabe Graff>I just specifically want to thank Customer Service Director Becky Anneker and her team for the support and this process.

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<v Gabe Graff>And I'll turn it over to Shana to go over the next couple slides.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you, Gabe.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So we're also doing a lot of work on the non-residential side of things in alignment with the direction in the Transportation Utility Fee Ordinance.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This work includes developing an appeals process for the first year of the program from January 1st, 2027 to January 1st, 2028.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>During this period, the transportation utility fee for commercial and non-residential residential non-residential properties will be 4.3%— excuse me— of their water, sewer, and stormwater bill.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The appeals process will be developed to provide relief for non-residential users where the water, sewer, stormwater bill is disproportionate to the transportation impact based on regional averages for similar types of businesses.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're currently developing regional average commercial rates that will serve as the basis for the appeals process.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're also working with city billing staff to analyze administrative and financial implications of this work.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We'll use this information to develop a draft process, and this work will include feedback from businesses with a special consideration, as I believe you asked for, for the impact on small businesses.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In addition to the work on the appeals process, we're working on developing draft recommendations for an impact-based transportation utility fee methodology for non-residential and commercial properties that can be presented at a rate hearing by February 15th.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Approved by City Council by April 1st and implemented then by January 1st, 2028.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>At a minimum, the approaches will include a trip-based transportation utility fee that's similar to 31 other Oregon cities and a land use-based methodology with a combined per unit and parcel square footage rate model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In order to meet the ordinance's intent, again, that special consideration will be given to impacts on small businesses.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We'll be meeting with representatives from small businesses and other interested parties in advance of the rate hearings and fair this is again just sort of an initial touch, letting you know we've gotten started with this, and we intend to provide a more significant update on this work when we're here in September to ensure we're on track to implement an effective and efficient appeals process and successful rate hearings on discussing a next methodology.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We've also been exploring pathways for a transportation utility fee discount for income-qualified market-rate multifamily residents.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Another thing that we know is clearly important is As we brought this TUF forward.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>As you probably remember, the utility bill includes a discount already for low-income single— low-income customers in single-family housing, and that will be extended to the transportation utility fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, there's currently no way for individual multifamily households to directly receive a discount through the existing system.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This is because multifamily resident— residential properties typically have an overarching water sewer bill account, and individual tenants don't pay their own water bills.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The city doesn't have a direct connection to the individual household, so it's pretty complicated to find ways to give them a discount.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This is a challenge that our utility bureau and utility bureaus nationally have grappled with for years.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, I'm really pleased to say that we have a team who's very excited to be digging into this and looking forward to making progress and really being a leader in this complex area.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This team has been researching low-income discount programs that exist within the city, regionally, and nationally.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>There are 3 approaches that have emerged from the research, and they're shown on the slide.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The first is a property-based discount pass-through model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In this model, the utility discounts the sort of overarching master metered property account with the expectation that the owner will pass the discount along through to tenants through rent reductions, credits, or service enhancements.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, there are some significant limitations with this model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The model relies on the property owner or manager to comply and pass the discounts along to their tenants, and it can frankly be hard to know if the discount ever reaches the tenant.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Additionally, in market rate units, the model may put tenants in a situation where they would need to disclose personal income information to their property owners or managers to prove eligibility for the discount.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Another utility discount approach we looked at is a cross-utility crediting model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>For this model, another bill that the tenant does receive, such— and what we've seen is on an electric bill— is used as the vehicle for delivering the discount.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Our team met with staff from the City of Austin to learn more about this model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It has proven effective there.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, Austin's utility environment is much different than Portland because the city controls the municipal utility services, the electric service.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>There are not many cities that we've seen, Austin, maybe one or two others, but not many that do this.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we don't believe— we haven't found yet anyone that does it with non-municipal utilities.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So again, it shows promise.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It's working well in Austin, but we think in our environment it would be pretty challenging.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The third model is a direct-to-tenant rebate or credit model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Tenants apply to receive a discount and they're sent a rebate in a number of ways, either via mailed check, loaded debit or gift card, a digital app, or potentially another delivery model.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We believe this model is the most promising at this point because we could reach tenants directly and it works in our utility environment.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Any of these options will require new administrative processes.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, we'll be looking to find opportunities to streamline and find efficiencies through program design.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Again, we're sort of giving you— bringing you along.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>That's where we are right now.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We still have more work to do before we can come back with a clear recommendation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The ordinance directed us to be back with our study in December.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>However, we We plan to be back with a clearer recommendation in September in order to ensure we can get your feedback in time to implement a program next year.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're on a tight timeline here.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In doing that, we're continuing to work closely with a variety of city partners, revenue, city data office, all sorts of folks, and really thinking through implementation feasibility.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We'll also be doing more outreach with organizations that can help us better understand how to make this work for the people who need it most, and also can help us to make sure that people know about benefit once we make it available.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We also have staff who are hard at work thinking through the new pavement coordination and utility assessment processes and how we update our administrative rules for the street damage restoration fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We want this work to be informed by utilities, and one of the things we've just completed is a survey that was sent out to utility representatives to gain their input on things like how best to improve coordination and incentivize reducing the number of street cuts.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>PBOT is still assessing the survey responses, but initial utility feedback includes encouraging us to provide more advanced notice of paving and capital projects, improving the visibility of planned work by PBOT and other utilities, and providing centralized coordination versus project-to-project communication.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>They've also asked that the administrative rules clearly outline how the fee will be calculated, ensure the permit requirements are consistently applied, and PBOT provides dedicated staff to support utility coordination.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We really appreciate this feedback that we've been getting both from our external utilities and our partners in water and BES, and it's truly helping us to ensure we're able to put together an efficient program that is grounded in minimizing street damage.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>The existing Fixing Our Streets Oversight Committee, which used to be primarily over the 10-cent local gas tax, is expanding its oversight to include the transportation utility fee and the street damage restoration fee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We really appreciate the volunteers on this committee embracing this larger scope and responsibility.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>At their next committee meeting on August 4th, the committee will review some updates to the bylaws to reflect this new responsibility and review an overview of our implementation progress, very similar to what you're seeing here today.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Finally, as we've mentioned already a number of times, we'll be back again in September with more details on all of this.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we also— staff, we wanna make sure you all know, 'cause there's a lot of details here, that staff are available between now and September for any additional feedback or engagement on these items.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we encourage you all to be in touch.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then finally in November, we will be back to have a conversation about some things we'll have to put back in code with an ordinance.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I believe that concludes our presentation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Terrific.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you all, and welcome, Gabe.

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<v Olivia Clark>I imagine this is a little more complicated than a capital project.

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<v Olivia Clark>I don't know.

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<v Gabe Graff>It's a lot to learn.

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<v Olivia Clark>A lot to learn.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, thanks, and welcome to the team.

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<v Olivia Clark>We really appreciate this update.

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<v Olivia Clark>I know you can't dive too deeply, but we appreciate at least getting the skeleton of what's going on.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I know we're going to have lots of questions and comments here today.

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<v Olivia Clark>So why don't we start with Councilor Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Clark.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks everybody for being here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate the presentation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I, as I listened through the first, let's say, 18 slides, I appreciate, and the end as well, a lot of what's been done here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And it seems like the core function process is going forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Avalos and I put up an amendment to the original ordinance back in— what was that, April?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And it doesn't appear like a lot of work's been done on that yet.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate, Shoshana, you saying that we're going to be coming back with more information in September, but my understanding is September is when you're also going to be asking us to vote.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so I don't know how we're going to have the opportunity to provide— if there's going to be the opportunity for a feedback loop.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'll be more specific about what I'm looking at, but just from a process perspective, Are there going to be 2 different touchpoints in September, or is those going to be on the same— are those going to be on the same date?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're happy with you to work sort of as you sort of would like us to do.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We can come with 2 points.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I think that's why we were laying out sort of right now where we were, that we have those 3 options.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So happy to follow up and make this work as you see.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I think that we're also looking for some feedback on what we've what we presented today.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So I think this is sort of one of the first, um, points, but again, happy to continue working with you as much as you would like.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I think in terms of the SDRF, it feels like I have no immediate concern there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll, I'll, um, follow up if anything comes up, but that, that feels like it's, it's going well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>In terms of— and if you could go to slide 19, please.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, the, uh, it'll be 19 and 20 primarily, but it'll start at 19.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So the understanding that I have from how that amendment went is that the intention was to actually increase the amount of research and not limit it to what we already had.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Actually, we should start with slide 20.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I apologize.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm a little surprised.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know if anyone else here is a renter, but I rent a market rate unit.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The idea that it may require tenant to disclose income to owner, and that's a new thing, Is a little bizarre to me.

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<v Sameer Kanal>You already have to do that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's how you get approved for an apartment or rental.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's not a new thing.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That happens just about everywhere around the city for 47% of us who rent.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so that being a concern there, it, you know, the second one having primarily seems to only have been based on a conversation with Austin, but also we— and the idea that we don't run electricity, so we can't— we run water and sewer though.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We have that billing authority.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So it seems like we're just— we've already decided that we want to go with the third option.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I want to be clear, I won't vote yes on anything if I don't get another option besides that in September.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I am very opposed to that being the only thing that we explore.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And it appears that's all that's been explored.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Can— oh, go ahead.

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<v Olivia Clark>If I may, Councilor, thank you for raising your concern and referencing these are but 3, and we've not made a determination about which one.

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<v Olivia Clark>We're just talking about for implementation the challenges or lack of challenge with implementation if we chose one path over another.

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<v Olivia Clark>We're not suggesting that we wouldn't do the most involved resource— research-driven solution, but our team does need a little bit more time to continue to do the work.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Smith.

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<v Olivia Clark>Work to get to both the answers that you're wanting in terms of looking at a full panel of options and weighing that against the ability for us to do that implementation in a way that supports both the goals of this initiative as well as supports community that's being served by it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, and just to be clear, I am perfectly fine with the idea of taking more time on it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm also fine— I'm not saying I necessarily want to pursue either of these first 2 options.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I am concerned that there was one opportunity, one option presented back in April for a specific, a specific not only methodology but vendor.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And that's the only thing that has a green under it right now.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So by putting a red and green up here, that's a thumb on the scale as far as how I interpret it and how I think the public will interpret it in terms of challenging and moderate.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I really want I want to be clear, I need a second option besides the one vendor and option that was brought up in April.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I also want to be very clear that a couple things, just, and again, we are happy to sort of continue this conversation as much as possible.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I think we had reached out to your office last week to try to get some of this feedback.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're happy to, you know, we're here sharing sort of what is emerging, but we have no— we'll take as long as it needs.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I do want to clarify that a couple things.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have done more research.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It's been, in some ways, I think the team on this has dug in the most quickly and done, you know, this is just a hard area.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>As we said, there's not a lot of solutions nationally.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So I think what we saw early on, we are continuing to see.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I think if it was easy, if there were a lot of good solutions, more people would've done it.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But I do want to be very clear that it wasn't, I know there was an earlier Water Bureau report.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We've done more of our own original research.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We really have been digging in.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then also on that third option, I think what we're saying is some sort of direct payment to people seems like the thing that people would want most.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Like, send me a check.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>That seems like, you know, send me a check.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Or for people who don't have bank accounts, send me a debit card, something.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I know there is some conversation about a particular vendor.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We are not saying that this is a recommendation for that particular vendor.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're saying that some sort of an app thing is still on the table.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Some sort of a direct check is on the table.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Some sort of a debit card.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Something like that.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And that's where we also are trying to talk to community organizations and people and say, what would you prefer?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Would you like a check?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Would you like, you know, would you like an app?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Those are the things we're trying to dig in.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But we are not saying— there's been no sort of conversation about this is, you know, this is what we're presenting.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Again, I think the research so far did— has continued to lift up some of the challenges that we saw earlier.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But we can go back.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I think we also felt like we were under pressure to deliver by the beginning of the program or as close to that as possible, which means there's some limits.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I understand that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I think just to correct the record here, the time was offered.

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<v Sameer Kanal>My staff did meet.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We asked if more research had been done.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And in that briefing, we were told no.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I just want to get that on the record here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Secondly, I'm perfectly content to have other ways of doing the direct-to-tenant.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Like, that can be subdivided into different options, and I get that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>In terms of SEAMS, I do want to note, you know, I'm having a picnic and other events.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We offered that to your staff to come to do the community engagement so that SEAMS can be verified by data, right?

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<v Sameer Kanal>That's August 9th from 12 to 3 at McCoy Park.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Anyone interested?

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I just wanted to make sure that that's on the record here because I do understand the time crunch and I am content to look at potentially offering legislative flexibility to ensure that we're able to do it right.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm concerned about being sort of shoved into the only option that was identified in April.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so that's what I'm trying to avoid here.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor, I think that we've clarified that there's actually a lot more going on or has gone on.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I think some things get lost in translation.

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<v Olivia Clark>So I would encourage you to personally discuss this with Shoshana or somebody else from the team if you can.

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<v Sameer Kanal>My team did, and I'm happy to do it again.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I have the dates on that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>You can check the team's records, public records there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Chair.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Sorry, I am virtual today.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I wanted to say, as I was hearing this presentation, I wanted to say that I could really see that you all at PBOT really have taken close notes of what councilors are serious about and asking.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I know we don't have all of our answers and solutions yet, but I wanted to start with that, that I could really see that.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I can't see the faces of those who were presenting.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's kind of like teaching virtually on Zoom, but just know that I have appreciation there and hope you feel that.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>For my questions, you know, I'm just— I'm thinking about the limited Thank you.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We just received tough revenues.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's really exciting.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And we also have, you know, especially when thinking about Vision Zero, we have a lot to accomplish.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>There's a lot of different projects from capital projects to reporting, community engagement.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm wondering how we can make sure that we're really strategically deploying those funds to make sure that projects that are going to save the most lives possible are prioritized, and I'm wondering if whoever is the best-suited person could kind of speak to some of the thinking and planning around that.

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<v Gabe Graff>Sure.

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<v Gabe Graff>I think in this first fiscal year, we're really focused on intersection improvements and using our data-driven approach.

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<v Gabe Graff>It's a limited amount of funding that we have available, so we're both looking to do, you know, proven safety countermeasures at intersections that have a documented crash history and leveraging other maintenance activities at intersections that have a proven crash history to provide safety benefits.

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<v Gabe Graff>So that's that sort of double approach.

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<v Gabe Graff>I think we can stretch the dollars the furthest and have the most safety benefit.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And maybe I'll just add, the project selection is all driven by our PBOT Vision Zero team.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I know there's, you know, there's the citywide Vision Zero lead, but we also still have a number of staff who are dedicated Vision Zero staff in PBOT, and they're the ones who are using the data to identify the projects.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That's great to hear.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Um, you know, following up on a question from last week's Committee of the Whole when we were talking about Vision Zero, I am wondering if there's a funding source that could be used for safety assessments and studies when we're paving streets to improve high crash quarters, kind of like like when we were talking about Burnside and the questions of like, could we be conducting traffic safety assessments before we're doing big PBOT projects?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Could TUF funds be deployed for those types of studies?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is that something that is possible?

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you for the question, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Millicent Williams>The safety assessment is something that we start with and we end with.

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<v Millicent Williams>So there's pre-evaluation.

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<v Millicent Williams>It helps to to inform which projects we select, the types of things, the types of treatment that we actually provide at locations.

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<v Millicent Williams>And then in many instances, especially those where we're making a very significant investment, and by that I mean capital projects, we do post-work assessment after a number of years to determine the effectiveness of that work.

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<v Millicent Williams>We use that to guide our efforts in ways that ensure that As Gabe has mentioned, we're making the most impactful choices in the ways that we deliver our work.

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<v Millicent Williams>With regard to us being able to identify funding within the TUF funding, based on the prescription that this body has provided for us, we would need to ensure that that would be something that we would be able to pull out.

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<v Millicent Williams>If we would define it as being a component of a project, perhaps that's a way.

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<v Millicent Williams>But— That is something that we would need to discuss further in terms of how to actually finance something like that.

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<v Millicent Williams>As you are well aware, we have very limited discretionary funding to be able to do other things.

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<v Millicent Williams>I don't want to say extra things, but other or additional things.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so we would need to be creative in figuring out how to best do that.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'm not saying it's a no.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'm just saying I think we need to have more time to be able to go back and do the assessment to determine how we might be able to do the work that you're asking for.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Director.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That's really helpful.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And what I heard you say is that before there are big projects, that there, there are safety analyses happening already.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So that might be something that's, that's already part of the culture and part of the process.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is that what— did I hear you correctly?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Because that is what I'm—.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>For the public to know that.

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<v Millicent Williams>Yes, that's what I'm saying.

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<v Millicent Williams>I think that there's a lot of behind-the-scenes work that happens before any project even breaks ground.

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<v Millicent Williams>And what we are actually excited about being able to do is to tell our story better because of the need for us to amplify this is what TUF is paying for.

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<v Millicent Williams>People need to know what goes into the choices that we make, that we aren't just arbitrarily deciding on a site and a plan to deliver, but rather that we're looking at any number of factors before making a determination.

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<v Millicent Williams>Before we cut once, we measure twice to ensure that we're doing the right and best things.

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<v Millicent Williams>And—.

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<v Millicent Williams>I think I agree that it's an important thing for a community to know.

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<v Millicent Williams>I know that we've had lots of conversations about people's impressions about some of the work that we do and the what and the why.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we are going to be able to use, we believe, this opportunity to better amplify the whole of what PBOT does as an organization and why all of those components are important in us delivering ultimately for the communities that we're serving.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you for that, Director.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And if there's any way that I can help, my office can help with boosting some of that sharing, let me know.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I know there's a lot of behind the scenes that the public needs to know more about, so let me know how I can help.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And my last question is, looking at slide 14, it's really exciting to see, you know, different ways that those Vision Zero funds will be used and I'm just wondering, like, looking specifically at the capital improvements, is this— is that kind of a set list?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I know the no turn on red is something that Councilor Smith and I are excited about and are working on.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But I'm wondering, yeah, and how long will funds be reserved for that?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is it really the first 6 months?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Into 2027.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is there— how flexible is that list?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I know my team has— is in the beginning stages of exploring what it would look like to have 4-way stops on corners that are adjacent to schools.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is that something that can be added to that list?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is it something that would be considered in the next fiscal year?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>If someone could speak a little bit to Slide 14 in that list, that would be great.

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<v Gabe Graff>Sure, thank you for the question.

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<v Gabe Graff>Yeah, we're really— the list of capital improvements on this slide is for this fiscal year, for this $2.9 million.

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<v Gabe Graff>So I think looking forward to next fiscal year and future fiscal years, that list can grow and we can work in consultation with all of you on what the— highest and best use of those safety funds are.

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<v Gabe Graff>And I think in September when we come with our investment strategy, we'll look at not just the first 6 months but the first 18 months, year and a half, to sort of flesh that out a little bit more.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Great.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you so much for your work on this, everyone.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That's it for me for now.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I'm— I appreciate you bringing up Burnside because all of I want to come back to that in a moment.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Chair Clark.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you so much, PBOT, for the presentation today.

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<v Mitch Green>Big stuff and a lot to chew on here.

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<v Mitch Green>I want to jump right into the tough kind of rate design question.

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<v Mitch Green>Back in April when we were contemplating this ordinance, I had sort of signaled that I might bring an amendment to change the rate design, and then I pulled that back because I thought that was hazardous to do on the fly.

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<v Mitch Green>I think it is still a hazardous thing to do on the fly, but part of my commitment for the ordinance and the fee schedule itself was understanding that we're going to work together to kind of look at taking another bite at the apple on how to design the rate structure.

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<v Mitch Green>So it's not so impactful and regressive to particularly— I mean, the commercial side of the question is going to be pretty hard for a lot of our small businesses.

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<v Mitch Green>So, and I know that on your implementation schedule, I see a non-residential rate hearing scheduled for February 15th.

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<v Mitch Green>So that's good.

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<v Mitch Green>But I guess the question I have is, where is that work happening now?

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<v Mitch Green>Is that— is the rate design question Is there a discussion happening sort of internally behind the scenes now?

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<v Mitch Green>How can I engage on this?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Yes, thank you very much for the question.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we spoke to one of your staff just yesterday, I believe, about this.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So to date, we've been doing some research, talking.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have a couple of, you know, super smart people on this stuff.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So we've been doing a little bit of initial research.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then what we spoke to one of your staff about just yesterday is we would really like to engage more with your office because of the feedback you gave so that we can make sure that what the research we're doing is really reflecting what you and, and, um, you know, what, what you're interested in.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Um, and again, have a touch point.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So I think there is some sort of behind-the-scenes work, I guess, and then have another touch point on that publicly in September so that then we can be ready for the rate hearings in January or February, as we sort of said, by February 15th.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But we— it was initial research today, and now I think we're ready to sort of start engaging and making sure we're on track and just dive in deeper.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>That's great to hear.

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<v Mitch Green>And I just kind of want to offer this, um, you know, council has a recess in the last 2 weeks of August.

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<v Mitch Green>I will personally be on hand to dive deeply with, with you guys on that.

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<v Mitch Green>So please consider my office a resource.

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<v Mitch Green>Me personally, I, I'm actually kind of looking forward to literally rolling my sleeves up and maybe cracking open some spreadsheets and kind of working with folks to try to make it clear, like, what it is I'm looking for and raise any concerns that I might to have or present some opportunities.

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<v Mitch Green>Because I think if we can do that together in that timeline and have that first look in September be something with some real meat around it, I think that's going to go a long way towards communicating to the public to say, don't worry, we're not pushing this off.

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<v Mitch Green>We're being very proactive in understanding that there's going to be this sort of differential impact not only on your bottom line but the question— the broad question of fairness.

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<v Mitch Green>And happy to clear my schedule and make myself available for that work.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, and, you know, thanks for talking to my staff about this.

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<v Mitch Green>I got a little pre-brief on that this morning, and so just kind of bringing this into the public and making sure folks understand that we are talking about that.

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<v Mitch Green>So that is good.

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<v Mitch Green>There's a lot— as you all know, there's a lot of different ways to get to a number.

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<v Mitch Green>There's a ton of ways you can design rates to get there, and they all they all have trade-offs.

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<v Mitch Green>And so just being crystal clear about the trade-offs, who loses, who wins, I think is a critical matter of public interest.

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<v Mitch Green>And I'll support that.

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<v Mitch Green>The next question I have is related to SIP.

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<v Mitch Green>Actually, first of all, I'm just going to say I appreciate on slide 8 just the call out to the oversight committee and recognize the importance of that.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>I keep— I'm going to sound like a broken record, but every single meeting I'm at, at the dais now, I'm going to talk about this Metro polling that we received on the housing bond and why voters, if you were to put the housing bond out now, would say no.

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<v Mitch Green>It's because they say that we don't do enough oversight in our public bodies.

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<v Mitch Green>And so every opportunity that we have to say we recognize there's issues with trust in the public sector, with the administration of our dollars.

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<v Mitch Green>We're going to hit that head-on.

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<v Mitch Green>We're going to do oversight on ourselves voluntarily.

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<v Mitch Green>That's a really good thing.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm going to support that.

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<v Mitch Green>So thanks for calling that out.

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<v Millicent Williams>Councilor, before you go to your next question, I just wanted to acknowledge that that oversight committee really is an active body.

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<v Millicent Williams>They're not just there to say that they're there and for us to check a box.

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<v Millicent Williams>We bring forward project work, we ask them to help us to make decisions about prioritization.

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<v Millicent Williams>If we have the opportunities to see savings on one project, we ask their guidance about where they would like to see the additional investment go.

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<v Millicent Williams>If we find that we have a gap, we ask if there are recommendations for how we might not just fill the gap but make different decisions and potentially even sometimes make a different decision about a project altogether, whether or not we would make a minimal investment or hope for something to happen and be able to— and on the other hand, be able to fully complete a project.

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<v Millicent Williams>We're asking for that type of guidance.

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<v Millicent Williams>And in addition to having the oversight committee provide the insight, and we report to them and work with them on a quarterly basis, we will also have, as we've discussed previously, dashboards for the public to be able to see exactly where we are.

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<v Millicent Williams>Exactly what we're doing, what the timelines are, just like we have project websites now, but it'll be in a centralized location to ensure that people are able to see exactly where their dollar is going, when it's going to be invested, and what the outcomes of that work will be.

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<v Gabe Graff>I appreciate it.

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<v Olivia Clark>As I remember, I think that the members of the Oversight Committee came during the hearings on the TUF too and testified before us, so we might want to have them yeah, at some point.

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<v Mitch Green>Absolutely.

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<v Olivia Clark>We're happy to bring them with you.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'm sure they would be happy to come.

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<v Mitch Green>And they, you know, anytime that we have, you know, big questions around rate design or anything like that, just, I'd love to hear, I'd love, I'd love to know what that oversight committee is, is, uh, how they're, how they're engaging on those kind of questions.

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<v Millicent Williams>They'd be happy to be involved with that as well.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, thank you for interjecting.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm just interjecting and kind of adding that there.

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<v Mitch Green>Feel free to always interrupt me too, because sometimes I get on a rant.

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<v Mitch Green>I'll try not to, but—.

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<v Mitch Green>No, it's— you've never seen that before, have you?

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<v Mitch Green>Um, okay, uh, I want to go now to the Vision Zero stuff.

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<v Mitch Green>I want to pick up on something that Councilor Koyama Lane was asking about in the '26-'27 programming.

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<v Mitch Green>There's the $2.9 million of Vision Zero programming, um, and there's some enumeration of the capital improvements.

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<v Mitch Green>Uh, I see, I see some great stuff.

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<v Mitch Green>I see no turn on red.

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<v Mitch Green>I see, um, signal head reflective black back plates, pedestrian head starts, high-vis crosswalk mark, and protected left turns.

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<v Mitch Green>I don't see daylighting on there, and I wonder why.

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<v Mitch Green>Is that just sort of embedded, or is it implicit, or are we not thinking about that as a Vision Zero investment?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>No, it's not that we're not thinking about it.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It's that this is a limited set of funding.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I think in this year especially, the team is focused on, you know, has lifted up these things.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I actually, we may have to double, we may have to follow up, but I'm pretty sure we actually have some other funding that we're continuing to do some daylighting with.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So I think that work will be continuing through this year, just not with the TUF funds.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But we can triple check that.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay, thanks for that answer.

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<v Mitch Green>I just want to note that Hoboken, New Jersey had some high success by doing like infrastructure, physical barrier-based daylighting.

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<v Mitch Green>I mean, they had the flex posts, which are one tool, which are not very expensive.

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<v Mitch Green>Also planters in a daylight zone.

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<v Mitch Green>You know, there'll be some folks on that street who are used to parking in that spot and they'll be cranky about it, but I do also think—.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I know because we have been doing daylighting, and I, again, we can double-check.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I don't think we have the team in the room, but I think that we have done daylighting on most of our high-crash corridors already.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So these are other interventions at our high-crash intersections, but I know with the daylighting work we've been doing, there's been already an emphasis on high-crash network areas.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So maybe that in these places is already done.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I also think that daylighting is a good thing.

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<v Millicent Williams>I also wanted to mention that all of our capital projects, if they're visiting the streetscapes, it's incorporated in all of those capital projects.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we have several dozen projects where daylighting is a key component.

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<v Millicent Williams>That would not be something that's funded by TUF.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's funded through the capital program that we have.

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<v Millicent Williams>But that is something that we're thinking about all the time.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>The concerted effort that we had earlier this year and found funding to support daylighting is something that— is what Shoshana was mentioning.

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<v Millicent Williams>We do have the opportunity to continue to do that.

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<v Millicent Williams>And I would dare say, while this is a good list, I wouldn't suggest that it's an exhaustive list.

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<v Millicent Williams>So there may be things that are not raising to the level of being mentioned in the slide that we'll be doing.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>But we can certainly make sure that we keep daylighting front of mind.

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<v Millicent Williams>It is an important thing for me as well.

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<v Millicent Williams>I've mentioned it, I believe, before this body, having lived in other places.

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<v Millicent Williams>When I moved here, I was like, why are people parking up to the stop sign?

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<v Millicent Williams>That seems very strange to me.

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<v Millicent Williams>I've never seen that.

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<v Millicent Williams>I lived in a city that in front of my house I used to get tickets because I would be too close to the stop sign.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so that's a behavior change that we need to work on with folks, helping them to understand that it is safety that we're seeking.

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<v Millicent Williams>And we recognize that losing a parking space in the front of your house, if that's something that you're used to, may be hard for folks.

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<v Millicent Williams>But it is something that we look forward to being able to continue to do in places where it's a particular need, especially.

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<v Millicent Williams>Not that we don't need to do it everywhere, but where it's a particular need.

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<v Mitch Green>Yes.

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<v Mitch Green>I appreciate you recognizing that.

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<v Mitch Green>And I'll just note that, you know, it's even In some of the business district neighborhoods, it's just really common for folks who are visiting to park.

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<v Mitch Green>Or I used to live in Brooklyn.

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<v Mitch Green>When there's a show at the Aladdin, you get folks who are basically parking in the intersection at that point.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I get that you want to find a place to spark, but it's unacceptable and people get hurt from it.

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<v Mitch Green>So thank you for acknowledging that this is not an exhaustive list.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>This isn't really— I do think it's actually relevant, and I don't know, what do like photo radar ticketing machines, how do they play into this?

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<v Mitch Green>I know there's some— I certainly don't want flock style, you know, photo radar, but I've had constituents— we have constituents who live in like the Forest Park part of the city in the district, and Skyline Boulevard is increasingly used as a cut-through, a major cut-through.

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<v Mitch Green>And it's not—.

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<v Mitch Green>It's, you know, there's speed bumps on Skyline, but people go off into the ditch all the time.

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<v Mitch Green>And what they've asked for— I don't know if you've had this conversation— No, I haven't.

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<v Mitch Green>But they've asked for, can we get a ticketing radar system up front before they get into that part of the road and start to send some of that signal, that sort of like behavioral change stuff.

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<v Mitch Green>If that's at all in the world of what you're contemplating now, I just want to lend my support to that.

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<v Mitch Green>This is something my neighbors are asking for.

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<v Mitch Green>And so it's not one of these things where it's like we're going to plop this in and now we're really mad at you.

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<v Mitch Green>It's very much like, please put this on my street.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, it's a preventative measure, right?

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<v Mitch Green>It's a preventative measure.

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<v Mitch Green>Exactly.

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<v Millicent Williams>Sure.

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<v Millicent Williams>So thank you for that, Councilor.

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<v Millicent Williams>We will need to work together to identify how we can best deploy that tool to do that preventative work that we're talking about.

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<v Millicent Williams>Right now, our cameras are on the high-crash network, and we don't have the team here that's responsible for managing that system.

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<v Millicent Williams>We are always open to figuring out how we can more comprehensively provide that coverage that's necessary.

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<v Millicent Williams>In the space of not having other tools available, we know that that works.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so what we want to be able to do is figure out how we can further enhance the camera network, ensuring that we're using it as a meaningful tool, not a punitive tool, but something that helps to, again, And do it in places where we would glean the most benefit.

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<v Millicent Williams>So happy to have that conversation.

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<v Olivia Clark>I just want to add to that, Councilor Green.

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<v Olivia Clark>I've had this conversation with Councilor Novick, who's really dug into it, and I think one of the problems is the judicial pipeline in processing the tickets, if you will.

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<v Olivia Clark>And he's thinking about maybe a legislative effort to help fund the judicial department to process our ticketing, and that there is the potential to expand it.

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<v Olivia Clark>We just have this little backlog at that end of the process.

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<v Olivia Clark>So I think there's a lot of support for expanding this program, absolutely, as an alternative to other kinds of things.

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<v Olivia Clark>So we might want to talk to Councilor Novick.

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<v Millicent Williams>And the revenue the funding that's received does cover the cost of the camera.

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<v Millicent Williams>So it's not like we would be having to identify additional funding.

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<v Olivia Clark>But it's not— we're not making money on it.

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<v Millicent Williams>No.

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<v Millicent Williams>And it's not intended to be a moneymaker for us.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

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<v Mitch Green>And this is just one of those situations where, I mean, I'll name some of the controversy around this style of measure.

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<v Mitch Green>It tends to hit folks who are lower income and already suffer from a series of sort of overlapping oppressions.

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<v Mitch Green>And of an economic and broad nature.

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<v Mitch Green>But people who live on Skyline Boulevard tend to be a little more privileged.

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<v Mitch Green>And so, like, the risk factor in that regard is different.

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<v Mitch Green>So I think let us know how we can help.

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<v Millicent Williams>We've really grappled with the placement of the cameras and recognizing that they're on high crash corridors where the majority of the high crash corridors are, which means that the people who are harmed once are harmed twice are harmed and so, um, figuring that out will be, um, something we want to work together on.

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<v Millicent Williams>Uh, but there, uh, hopefully at a point, uh, those— the number of high-crash corridors and the things that we think to do on them, uh, to create a safer environment will, um, be fewer.

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<v Millicent Williams>So, uh, it'll give us an opportunity to be more judicious in the ways that we're spreading around yeah, that's one way to put it.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>One more question, if I may.

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<v Mitch Green>Just turning to SIP now, thanks for having a slide on SIP.

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<v Mitch Green>It's good to show what a muddy pathway looks like versus what we could have.

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<v Mitch Green>And sending that signal to voters is pretty key when it comes to sort of saying, like, here's here's how your tax dollars are transforming into something that's good for you.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, on that note, uh, I know that there's some sequencing and timing about the collection of our revenues from TUF versus when we can really start to do this work.

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<v Mitch Green>And I know these are— this was a budget allocation that was put in the budget to get some SIP money going.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, but I want to just raise again my support for bonding against TUF-related revenues for SIP.

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<v Mitch Green>Because $2.9 million would support something like $27 million in bonds.

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<v Mitch Green>And then if we were to sort of front-load that work in that kind of a way, we could do more at once and then put up a big sign that says, brought to you by SIP.

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<v Mitch Green>And this is— and it's— and it's— these bonds are backed by this revenue that you are paying, by the way.

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<v Mitch Green>And so that's how this transportation utility fee translates into not walking in the mud and actually having a and so I don't, I don't know if you guys are working on a— with Jonas to sort of put together a bonding proposal for council, but I, I would really like to see that.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are conversations that are happening.

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<v Millicent Williams>I also know that the city administrator is particularly keen on figuring out how we can bond against some of the investments that are planned or being made.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so we look forward to being able to come back and talk about that more.

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<v Mitch Green>All right, thanks so much.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Olivia Clark>Great question.

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<v Olivia Clark>Now, I have quite a list, but they're short.

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<v Olivia Clark>We have a pothole backlog.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm just wondering how you're prioritizing the potholes.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we're going to be doing 2 things.

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<v Millicent Williams>We're going to continue to take the reports that people provide for us on a daily basis.

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<v Millicent Williams>And when those reports come in, the team's measure is to fill those potholes or fill the potholes within that area.

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<v Millicent Williams>Within 30 days.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so we are within the frame of— we are within the limits of doing that.

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<v Millicent Williams>But we also intend to, on a quarterly basis, pick a district— not pick a district, but go district by district.

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<v Millicent Williams>I gotcha.

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<v Millicent Williams>And we will do some targeting work, targeted work on areas where we know that there are particular challenges.

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<v Millicent Williams>So it's going to be 2 things happening at one time.

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<v Millicent Williams>Kind of like driving a stick.

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<v Millicent Williams>We're going to continue to do the daily work that we're doing, but we're going to have some— I don't want to go so far as to call it pothole paloozas because that may turn my maintenance team— they may get a little upset with me when I say it.

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<v Millicent Williams>But mini paloozas all around to make sure that people are seeing the thing that they're wanting to see.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's terrific.

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<v Olivia Clark>I imagine you have quite a backlog though, quite a list.

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<v Millicent Williams>We have a good number, but we also tick through quite a few on an annual basis.

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<v Olivia Clark>Terrific.

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<v Olivia Clark>That's so meaningful.

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<v Olivia Clark>You know, I talked about pothole vigilantes, and I hope we can prevent that.

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<v Millicent Williams>We would like to prevent that, but I think—.

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<v Olivia Clark>I don't think there's any in our district, Councilor Green.

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<v Olivia Clark>But I am interested in the idea of having a vigilante.

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<v Olivia Clark>In the possibility in the future, you don't have to answer this, but just is there the possibility of some sort of neighborhood association training for painting the sidewalk, not sidewalk.

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<v Millicent Williams>Vision clearance?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yeah, or any of that.

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<v Olivia Clark>Is there any potential?

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<v Olivia Clark>Because I've got folks that want to go out and paint the stripes on their street.

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<v Olivia Clark>You know, it's easy to do.

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<v Olivia Clark>Can we train them?

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<v Olivia Clark>Can we give them the right paint?

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<v Olivia Clark>Is there a multiplier?

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<v Olivia Clark>Is that a possibility to do a pilot?

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<v Millicent Williams>Sure, that is a possibility.

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<v Millicent Williams>We currently actually do work with an organization of volunteers that do some of that work with and for us.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we could look at how we could replicate that around the city.

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<v Millicent Williams>Obviously, that would allow us to do more.

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<v Millicent Williams>I hate to use the term do more with less, but it would help us to create the opportunity to do more with more, with more people.

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<v Olivia Clark>Can you send me a link to that?

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<v Olivia Clark>Because I think we've got neighborhood associations that would just love to be engaged in that kind of activity.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are a number of ways that we could engage volunteers, and you and I, Councilor, have talked about volunteer engagement.

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<v Millicent Williams>It is a little bit more difficult with some of the work that we do based on the fact that it's often union-represented staff that are doing those types of things.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we have to be thoughtful about which areas of we can provide support for or take volunteer hours on.

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<v Millicent Williams>But I think we know that the volunteer hour is valuable.

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<v Millicent Williams>In the state of Oregon, volunteer hour right now is valued at about $35 per hour.

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<v Millicent Williams>So if you get a few folks together on a weekend or a weekday, we're making investments in our community in ways that people may not even realize by engaging that volunteer support.

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<v Olivia Clark>Terrific.

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<v Olivia Clark>That's great.

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<v Olivia Clark>Just an observation that there's got to be some overlap between what we're doing in maintenance and operations and Vision Zero.

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<v Olivia Clark>It seems like the Vision Zero number seems kind of low, but there is— there's a lot of— seems like there's a lot of projects within the maintenance category that are Vision Zero.

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<v Millicent Williams>If Jody were here, she would tell you maintenance is safety.

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<v Millicent Williams>And it is.

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<v Millicent Williams>That is true.

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<v Millicent Williams>A lot of the work that is being done is It's been identified because of its nexus with the need to create a safer environment for the traveling public.

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<v Millicent Williams>And by traveling public, I mean however anyone is moving about the system.

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<v Millicent Williams>So to suggest that it is not being invested in safety would be a bit of a fallacy.

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<v Millicent Williams>I would share that we would classify— be able to classify much of our maintenance work as safety.

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<v Olivia Clark>Not to make more work for you, but work for you, but somewhere down the line it might be interesting to try to quantify that or just to show that a lot of this, a lot of the maintenance work really falls into Vision Zero.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'll share that when we started the Vision—.

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<v Millicent Williams>Excuse me, Vision Zero, but the Fixing Our Streets work, we were required to separate the work out by maintenance versus safety.

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<v Millicent Williams>Were those the buckets?

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<v Millicent Williams>Yeah, yeah, it was 4357.

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<v Millicent Williams>So we, we, we have a tool to be able to determine what is, is, um, but, uh, sometimes, um, uh, that is a, a challenging definition to reach.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so we are making sure that we're landing in the same space in terms of what maintenance means and what safety means and how we can, um, uh, separate out those buckets.

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<v Millicent Williams>I'll share that I was in a conversation at the state level, uh, talking about maintenance maintenance, preservation, and safety.

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<v Millicent Williams>And one of the things that I shared in that conversation was one person's preservation is another person's maintenance is another person's capital program.

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<v Millicent Williams>So it's the meeting of the minds on the definitions, making sure we're articulating that clearly both to this body but also to the general public so that there is an understanding about what is happening and what is funding that work.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's excellent.

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<v Millicent Williams>Yeah, so we can certainly work on to do that.

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<v Olivia Clark>Couple more quick questions.

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<v Olivia Clark>So I know that a lot of this work that you're doing that was in our request requires help from BTS.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I'm just wondering, I know that, you know, with core realignment and they have a long priority list, if you're getting the help that you need.

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<v Millicent Williams>We have, as we were asked to provide insight to BTS on what our priorities would be or needed to be, especially in the coming weeks and months.

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<v Millicent Williams>We shared that the implementation of the TUF was something that we needed to make sure that they continued to focus on.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are a number of other programs that we use on a daily basis that we're anticipating understanding how BTS will be able to provide the levels of support that are necessary to provide continuity of operation.

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<v Millicent Williams>But we've been in direct conversation and in fact, I just heard from Director Rosenberg 2 days ago about connecting on Maximo, which is another system that we use, the work order system.

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<v Millicent Williams>We also use eBuilder, which is a tool that BES also uses.

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<v Millicent Williams>All of those are tools that we need to depend heavily on BTS to help to support.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so we're in those conversations.

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<v Millicent Williams>Okay.

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<v Millicent Williams>And then of course GIS is another one that depending on the flavor of the work, it takes on many different forms, but we're working to make sure that they are well aligned with our needs and expectations.

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<v Millicent Williams>And while we will probably need to come back to report about how the pace of some of the work has needed to adjust based on that centralization effort, know that we have made sure that they're aware of the importance.

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<v Olivia Clark>And just let us know.

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<v Olivia Clark>I want to go back to the question that Councilor Koyama Lane brought up, and in the context of Burnside, there's been a lot of pushback by some of our constituents on the work that you're planning to do.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I know that on page 11 you talked about the level of complexity, and I just wondered, can you address that?

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<v Millicent Williams>Sure.

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<v Olivia Clark>A little bit for us what's going on there?

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<v Olivia Clark>I know it was a— it is a high-crash corridor, and there are definitely maintenance needs on Burnside.

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<v Olivia Clark>So just, can you address it?

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<v Millicent Williams>I certainly am happy to address it, and I'm going to not ask Gabe to take the weight of some of the choices, but he is the project manager for yet another— he was the project manager for 4th as well.

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<v Millicent Williams>So he's pretty well adept at addressing really strong needs and opinions of community.

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<v Millicent Williams>I will share that as we were looking at the landscape of the city and the needs citywide, there were a number of streets of significance, and I would not necessarily call it as— this one is a street of citywide significance, but some of the streets that we looked at that were in need of a touch based on where they are, what they carry, how they currently operate that needed some care.

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<v Millicent Williams>The Burnside Bridge project was planned some years ago.

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<v Millicent Williams>The funding for that fell through.

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<v Millicent Williams>That was when we were going to work to do work on Burnside.

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<v Millicent Williams>Oh.

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<v Millicent Williams>Since that did not happen, we were looking at the need to figure out how we could address some of the needs, especially around not just the aesthetic, but the actual use of Burnside and the practicality of the use of Burnside, because it is a gateway to the city.

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<v Millicent Williams>And if you drive it, if you walk along it, we recognize there are places where it's particularly wide, especially at the bridgehead.

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<v Millicent Williams>There are places where the crossings are particularly challenging for pedestrians.

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<v Millicent Williams>We recognize that circulation is a challenge all throughout that corridor.

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<v Millicent Williams>But what is at its foundational element challenging is the general condition.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so the call was, and I will share that I challenged the team to identify a way for us to address Burnside.

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<v Millicent Williams>And when I asked the team to look into that work, I said, we're going to address the maintenance needs, and I recognize that there are probably going to be needs for us to go back and do more, especially because of the need for considerations around safety.

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<v Millicent Williams>The sidewalks are particularly narrow in certain portions of that corridor.

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<v Millicent Williams>All of those things were things that we knew going in that we would need to think about.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so Gabe and the team looked at a phased approach, and he worked with our maintenance folks as well to figure out the best ways to address the areas of greatest need, see where we had already made some investment, which is why the phasing is how it is.

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<v Millicent Williams>There were some investments that were made, and again, Gabe can speak to some of that.

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<v Millicent Williams>But it was buses stuck in ruts, people not being able to cross the street, people's heels getting stuck while they're trying to make crossings.

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<v Millicent Williams>The businesses that are contributing so much to the brand of the city, sitting right in a space where the neglect that has been a symptom of under or lack of investment— Powell's being right there— it was an eyesore for us.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so that was my challenge to the team.

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<v Millicent Williams>Did we think about all of the full universe of ways that we might be able to reimagine the corridor?

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<v Millicent Williams>I will share that in the urgency to move, my request is that— was that we not forego, but that we phase it so that we could look at how we might be able to get to a better place on that corridor.

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<v Millicent Williams>And so the 3 phases would be happening over the course of 3 years.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>Which does provide the opportunity for community input, for feedback, for recommendations.

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<v Millicent Williams>Doing what we would imagine would be something that folks would desire in terms of bringing it to a certain level would require a significant level of investment, which, as we know, we do not have.

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<v Millicent Williams>What we are fortunate in, though, is that there are alternatives on either side of Burnside that we have made investments in.

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<v Millicent Williams>Okay.

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<v Millicent Williams>Investments in for folks to be able to use, um, that aren't just car-centric.

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<v Millicent Williams>Um, and so, uh, we want to be able to highlight that as well as, as we continue to think about how we're going to reimagine, uh, Burnside.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, I think I, I wasn't aware of the 3 phases, and I don't know that the public, um, that we've heard from in District 4 was, uh, aware of the phases.

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<v Olivia Clark>So it would be helpful perhaps for Councilor Green and I to receive maybe some more information or an explanation of exactly why we're doing what we're doing now and not doing the full meal deal.

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<v Olivia Clark>That it is— if there's a plan for it phased in.

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<v Olivia Clark>And I think it was germane too that you mentioned the bridge, how that kind of— the loss of funding for the bridge kind of changed, um, our trajectory.

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<v Olivia Clark>So I think that would be helpful for at least us two and possibly for, um, the whole committee to hear I can share that.

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<v Millicent Williams>And there's some more analysis that has been planned based on some of the feedback that we've received.

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<v Millicent Williams>We have received the letters and calls for pauses or other actions.

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<v Millicent Williams>I don't know, Gabe, if there's anything else you'd like to share, if I covered it.

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<v Gabe Graff>I think that was a pretty good summary.

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<v Gabe Graff>The first phase of work is between 15th and 20th on West Burnside, and that segment we selected because as the Director noted, we've made a number of safety and crossing investments already at 18th and 19th and 15th and 16th.

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<v Gabe Graff>Most of the corners of the corridor in that segment have been upgraded and are fully accessible and certified.

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<v Gabe Graff>So it's the segment of West Burnside where the least additional work is needed in order to—.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Well, just getting some sort of explanation spelled out for us would be really helpful for us to respond to our constituents.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So let me move on really quickly and just get heads up, colleagues.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think I want to— when I'm done, I'll turn this over to Councilor Kanal, and then we'll take a break before we go on to the next issue.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Just one quick question.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah, Quick I just wanted to make sure question, very painful.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I know that in the state legislature there's going to be another effort to have a transportation package, and there's been conversation among some legislators, as we saw evidence at the last— the short session, about changing the distribution formula, the 50/30/20, which is truly the Holy Grail.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It has always been the Holy Grail.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I just wondered if you have done an estimate.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Should that change?

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think that's a very good question.

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<v Unidentified speaker>What we might lose, the range of the dollars that we would lose if they change the formula.

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<v Unidentified speaker>You don't have to answer that now, but I'm concerned about that, and it'll be on our legislative agenda that we don't want to have that change.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If anything, it should change in our direction.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But that's a real concern for me, and just a heads up.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I can just share, I mean, I think, yes, we've heard the conversation about potentially changing.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I haven't heard yet.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I mean, I hope that there is not a cities don't get anything.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I think that there's been some conversation about changing the proportion.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So there's sort of too many things to have done specific estimates, but it would be, as you know, very impactful.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Certainly any amount that they reduce of our share will be very impactful.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>That still contributes a large amount towards our general transportation revenue.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So continuing to see the state share, you know, again, we know you guys have done this important work to stay thank you so much.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm going to turn this over to Councilor Kanal.

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<v Olivia Clark>He's got more questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Clark.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's actually a comment, not a question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So just to kind of indicate where I'm thinking about this as we go forward, I think my vote on this back in April was contingent on credible affordability analysis.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's clear that Portland costs are rising.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Renters have expressed their inability to keep up, and I want to make sure that our most financially burdened and hurting multifamily residents are not required to foot the bill completely when they don't have access to discount programs.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I want to appreciate— I know that the staff has told us and has told you, Madam Chair, that it's operationally expensive to deliver discounts.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate the challenge in front of them, and I appreciate the work that they're doing on this.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>This.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I want to make sure that I'm, I'm on the record as saying, you know, choosing to deliver this bill in a way that is easy and/or cheap for the city but harmful for our community's most vulnerable was not a policy decision that I thought I was voting on in April.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I just want to put that on the record.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Kanal, for that clarification.

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<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate it.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, I don't think we have any other questions at this point.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, it's been a great great update, great conversation.

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<v Olivia Clark>Really appreciate the work that you're doing.

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<v Olivia Clark>I know there's a lot more work to come, and we'll be really interested in hearing about it in September.

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<v Olivia Clark>So thank you, thank you all again.

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<v Olivia Clark>And with that, colleagues, let's take a 10-minute break.

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<v Olivia Clark>When we come back at 11:01— I mean, yes, 11:01.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, just a bit.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, welcome back everyone.

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<v Olivia Clark>Sorry we're a little late.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, Diana, can you please read the next item, item number 3, document number 2026-266, Automated Vehicles Rulemaking Update.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Diana.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, colleagues, uh, we've been really eager to dig into the whole issue of automated vehicles, and we're going to get an update today on PBOT's rulemaking efforts.

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<v Olivia Clark>And the public input that they've received throughout this process.

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<v Olivia Clark>Additionally, PBOT staff are going to be reviewing the regulatory pathways that we could pursue to ensure that automated vehicles operate safely and contribute their fair share towards our infrastructure.

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<v Olivia Clark>This is a good opportunity for us colleagues to learn about approaches that other jurisdictions have taken to regulate autonomous vehicles and what we can also learn from them.

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<v Olivia Clark>But it's important that we, our council, sets this regulatory framework to ensure the best outcome for the city.

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<v Olivia Clark>My goal, which I've shared with some of you, is to really take a unified approach to this work to the extent that we can and develop in consort with our colleagues at PBOT committee ordinances that we can move to the full council sometime this fall or before the end of the year in anticipation of the 2027 state legislative session, where we know this was an issue in this short session and is due to come back in January.

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<v Olivia Clark>So with that, I'll hand it off to Director Williams.

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<v Olivia Clark>Hello again.

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<v Millicent Williams>Fancy seeing you here.

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<v Olivia Clark>Welcome back.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you and your team.

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<v Millicent Williams>So thank you, Council Vice President Clark.

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<v Millicent Williams>For the record, my name is Millicent Williams, and I am the director of the Portland Bureau of Transportation.

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<v Millicent Williams>We are here today to discuss automated vehicles.

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<v Millicent Williams>This is a quickly evolving new technology that is already having a big impact in multiple cities across the country.

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<v Millicent Williams>The City of Portland began preparing for automated vehicles in 2017, but as you've heard from this team when they presented their draft proposal in February to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, much has changed since then, and the industry is expanding more quickly now.

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<v Millicent Williams>You'll hear today from PBOT staff who've been learning about the impacts of AVs from peer cities and have been working with staff from across our own city to consider a path forward.

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<v Millicent Williams>I want to thank you for your time and consideration this morning, and now I'll turn it over to PBOT Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen to begin the presentation this morning.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you, Director Williams.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Again, for the record, my name is Shoshana Cohen and I'm the Chief of Staff for the Portland Bureau of Transportation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Here we have the agenda for our presentation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We'll first provide an overview of the strategy that we've been sort of taking so far around automated vehicles.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We'll then move into an update on the administrative rulemaking process, including an overview of feedback received from Portlanders during our public comment period.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And finally, we'll discuss a set of policy concepts that we'd like your feedback on, and your input will help us sort of collectively all determine next steps in the regulatory approach.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And continuing.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So I want to start by grounding us a little bit more in the goals, our goals at least, in coming to this Public Works session today.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>First, we're here to share updates again on the process that we've been going through in the strategy since we last Second, we're here to share a small set of policy concepts.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have more, but we're gonna sort of dig in on a few of the key concepts we think.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And the outcome of, again, of this discussion will guide our team as we're continuing to work on some administrative rule updates and some code updates that I know is a collaboration with you all.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Before we dive into the details, I'd also like to highlight the concurrent work that is still happening.

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<v Millicent Williams>Again, we have sort of a bigger list of administrative rule updates that we're working on.

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<v Gabe Graff>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Of rule updates that we're going through and some of the basic code updates that we're continuing to work on.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And these code updates live under Portland City Code Title 1640, which we're already working on even sort of outside of automated vehicles.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We're working on for some other reasons.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>1640 is the overarching regulatory framework that governs all of the private-for-hire transportation, including taxis, tour buses, limousines, Uber and Lyft, and now automated vehicles.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then finally, as you already alluded to, we're preparing for the 2027 state legislative session, which we expect to again include legislation around state regulation of automated vehicles.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I'll touch on that a little bit more in a couple slides.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So the team before you today really sort of frequently deals with emerging technologies but I do want to emphasize that in the topic of automated vehicles, we're really on the leading edge here.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>There's no city in the country that is currently regulating for hire automated vehicles.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And in fact, every city with an active deployment of AVs has been preempted by state legislation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>There are a few other cities that have regulations around testing of AVs.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We have some, Seattle does, and there are also a couple other cities is similar to us that are discussing local regulations right now, like Minnesota and Washington, DC.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But no one has been able to set up a full regulatory framework yet.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So this really gives you all an opportunity to lead the way.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And in thinking about the approach, if we're gonna be out front, at least the approach that we've been thinking about and as we've discussed with our peer cities, Sorry, I just lost my— I started talking too much and lost my place.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In talking to some of the cities that have been preempted and what we've learned from them and what we've heard from the public and what we heard from you all last time is that we really want to take an approach that sets a really high bar with operational standards and set that high bar and then as we move through the process sort of go slow and verify that whatever is happening is meeting our standards along the way.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And part of the rationale for setting this high bar approach is that automated vehicles companies really are claiming that their drivers are safer than human drivers.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And so we believe we should hold them to that standard.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>If we're gonna let them in, let's sort of make them prove that they're doing what they can say, what they're saying they're doing.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So again, this is the approach that has been guiding the staff as we've put together some things for you to think about.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So as mentioned, we've been spending a lot of time talking to other cities, learning from what's going on in other cities.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And again, unfortunately, the other cities that we're learning from don't yet have the ability to develop and enforce their own regulations.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>There has been this sweeping trend towards statewide preemption.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>At least 16 other states have passed legislation that preempts cities or counties from setting their own AV regulations.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>This includes every city with current for-hire deployments, which initially included cities in California, Arizona, and Texas, and has now expanded to Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So while speaking to peers in those cities, we've been learning about the significant challenges that they deal with on a daily basis from having for-hire AVs operate commercially without the ability to regulate them.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We've heard the challenge of having limited, or in most cases no local ability to hold AV companies accountable for actions such as school buses with the stop arm extended or driving into flooded streets.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And finally, these cities that have no regulatory control also are not receiving any data from the AV companies.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>That means they don't know how many trips are actually happening, they don't know where pickups and drop-offs are happening, and they just don't know how many AVs are on the road.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It makes it really difficult then to plan for and sort of help regulate the impacts on the transportation system.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So again, given what we're seeing in other states, we do remain concerned about the possibility of preemption here.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>As you already discussed in last year's legislative session, House Bill 4085 would have enabled automated vehicles and put all regulatory authority at the state level, completely preempting localities.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And as you know, we had many concerns about this bill.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>It didn't adequately address the likely impacts on the transportation system.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And while we all helped to ensure this bill didn't move forward last year, we do know that AV legislation is likely to resurface again.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>In fact, Waymo stated in their public feedback to our AV administrative rules that they look forward to seeing a successor bill approved in the 2027 session.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So as the staff has been thinking about our local approach, we're definitely keeping that state conversation in mind and trying to figure out how what we do with regulations here can help and with that, I will turn it over to Jacob Sherman to begin with updates on the rulemaking process.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Great, thanks, thanks so much, Shoshana.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.

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<v Jacob Sherman>For the record, my name is Jacob Sherman and I lead the city's work on emerging technology at the Portland Bureau of Transportation.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Our team works on topics including electric vehicle car charging, zero-emission freight, the private-for-hire industry, shared micromobility, as well as next slide.

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<v Jacob Sherman>The draft administrative rules that we presented to City Council's Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on February 9th were built on policy direction from the city's Safe Automated Vehicle Initiative.

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<v Jacob Sherman>As our team developed updates to these rules this past fall, we built them under the framework of City Code 1640, which, as was previously mentioned, regulates all of the private-for-hire transportation industry.

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<v Jacob Sherman>As Shoshana mentioned, we talked with many peer cities in one-on-one conversations and through convenings by expert groups like NACDO, and we also coordinated closely with staff from across the city and some of the bureaus and teams that you see here.

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<v Jacob Sherman>I actually want to pause for a second just to thank staff from across the city that have contributed to this work— our own policy team, our Vision Zero team, and to colleagues like Hannah, who will speak shortly, for her own leadership in this space.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Next slide.

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<v Jacob Sherman>So this slide contains a summary of some of the details in the draft regulations that we discussed with you in February.

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<v Jacob Sherman>These were the regulations that we put out for public comment.

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<v Jacob Sherman>The existing draft included a requirement for companies to provide a testing of statement— a statement of testing and deployment experience that would disclose all reported crashes, injuries, and other incidents that have negatively impacted the transportation system.

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<v Jacob Sherman>This will help ensure that we permit safe companies, not possible unsafe companies.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Our existing proposal also requires the submission of a passenger safety plan.

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<v Jacob Sherman>This would describe the main risks that passengers could face and the steps taken to mitigate those risks.

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<v Jacob Sherman>This could include everything from how passengers should safely identify, enter, and exit the vehicle, and what passengers should do in the event of a crash or how they should respond under unsafe We would also require a first responder plan and hands-on training for first responders.

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<v Jacob Sherman>The goal of this would be to ensure that first responders know how to respond to all types of scenarios with automated vehicles, from disengaging the automated vehicle driving system if needed to safely move an AV off the roadway or to other items.

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<v Jacob Sherman>I think it's worth noting this is not controversial at all.

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<v Jacob Sherman>This is something the AV companies are already doing in many cases.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Other places.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Our existing proposal also included a requirement that all for-hire automated vehicles be electric vehicles in order to submit— support our city's decarbonization goals.

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<v Jacob Sherman>And finally, we also want to highlight our requirements to coordinate with us in order to receive data and information on road closures like for Sunday Parkways, the Portland Marathon, street fairs, or other emergency events.

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<v Jacob Sherman>This is just a selection of the requirements from our draft rules.

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<v Jacob Sherman>We also included key topics like liability, insurance, public outreach, accessible service, and more.

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<v Jacob Sherman>And I also wanted to note that our liability requirements that we're thinking of have been developed kind of in partnership with the City Attorney, and we believe would give us fairly strong protections.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Thank you.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Councilmember Herbold.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Next slide.

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<v Jacob Sherman>So after we presented to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee in February, we moved forward into a public comment period.

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<v Jacob Sherman>To ensure that we gave Portlanders enough time to review the rules and provide feedback, we extended our traditional 30-day public comment period to just about 2 months.

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<v Jacob Sherman>We sent notice of rulemaking and the public hearing to over 30,000 people on our email lists and posted it on multiple public sites, including in the newspaper as well.

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<v Jacob Sherman>And consistent with our rulemaking process, we held a hybrid public hearing with— at the Portland Building, where people also had the option to attend virtually.

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<v Jacob Sherman>We hosted a dedicated listening session with the private-for-hire industry, and we also presented at all of PBOT's modal committees and held one-on-one conversations with industry.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Next slide.

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<v Jacob Sherman>During that process, we received over 220 comments from Portlanders.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Our team— and again, many thanks to Hannah Morrison and Clark Goldenrod— then spent the next several weeks reviewing all of these comments and considering feedback and policy suggestions in order to ultimately develop a summary report.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Some of the key themes that emerged from the comments helped inform some of these policy concepts that we want to talk with you about.

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<v Jacob Sherman>In our summary report, the largest theme that we heard from the public was safety, with over 50% of all comments mentioning safety.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Of those comments, 79% were concerned about the possible negative impacts of automated vehicles and suggested accountability measures like fines or safety reporting for transparency.

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<v Jacob Sherman>The other 20% were excited about the opportunity of automated vehicles and the possible safety benefits, most often from their own past experiences riding in them in other markets.

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<v Olivia Clark>Jacob, can you repeat that one more time, how that broke down?

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<v Jacob Sherman>Yeah, so, so of the 220 comments we received, over half of them, so over 110 comments, mentioned safety.

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<v Jacob Sherman>And of those 110 comments, comments, about 80% mentioned concerns on safety.

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<v Jacob Sherman>So that'd be what, 85 or 90 comments?

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<v Jacob Sherman>And then the remaining comments mentioned excitement about safety, having kind of mostly from their own personal experience with AVs in other markets.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Many of the comments that we received, over 35%, mentioned concerns around accountability and enforcement.

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<v Jacob Sherman>With questions on how automated vehicles would be ticketed and comments suggesting that AVs should be held to equal, if not higher, standards than human drivers.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Another broad theme that emerged from the public feedback was the possible impact on jobs, with 34% of all comments mentioning concerns around labor impacts and suggestions ranging from protecting the remaining human private-for-hire drivers to supporting a just workforce transition.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Finally, many comments highlighted concerns about how AVs could impact the transportation system through increased vehicle miles traveled, how it could impact other modes like transit, biking, and pedestrian.

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<v Jacob Sherman>And there were suggestions given about how to mitigate this, including ensuring that AVs know how to yield to buses and will not block MAX tracks, to prohibiting pickup and drop-offs in and bicycle lanes, or establishing a per-mile fee to discourage miles driven without passengers.

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<v Jacob Sherman>The full report is linked to in our slides and is available on our website and contains a lot of very detailed additional information about this.

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<v Jacob Sherman>So moving forward, I'd next like to hand it over to Hannah Morrison, who's going to talk with you about some of our proposed policy concepts so that we can get your direction as we move forward with thinking about rules thank you, Jacob.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.

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<v Hannah Morrison>For the record, my name is Hannah Morrison and I'm a planner on the Mobility and Innovation section at PBOT.

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<v Hannah Morrison>We have 7 policy concepts that we are hoping to get your feedback on today.

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<v Hannah Morrison>I'm proposing to go over all 7 of them and then we will move to discussion.

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<v Hannah Morrison>So our first policy proposal is to clearly define automated vehicle thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Hannah Morrison>I'm going to be talking about the proposed ordinance that would amend the rules for private-for-hire vehicles in private-for-hire code.

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<v Hannah Morrison>ORS 221.495 clearly defines our ability to regulate private-for-hire transportation, and this is something the city has done for over 100 years, beginning with the regulation of jitneys in the early 1900s.

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<v Hannah Morrison>So through Title 1640 of Portland City Code, which you've heard a lot about today, PBOT regulates a variety of private-for-hire transportation.

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<v Hannah Morrison>This includes horse-drawn carriages, pedicabs, tour buses, shuttles, party buses, limousines, non-emergency medical transportation, taxis, transportation network companies like Uber and Lyft, and now the next evolution in private for hire of automated vehicles.

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<v Hannah Morrison>The administrative rules that are regulating AVs that we've discussed today are already linked to Title 1640, and any code updates related to AVs we believe should go in this code as well.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Our second policy concept for discussion is to establish the authority to set fleet caps for automated vehicles in city code.

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<v Hannah Morrison>We believe that it would be stronger to establish this authority in city code rather than in administrative rules.

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<v Hannah Morrison>And to be clear, we are not proposing to establish the actual fleet size and set a number in city code, just establish the authority to cap automated vehicle fleets.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Under this proposal, the performance of a company during its testing phase would inform their initial fleet size, and testing itself would also be done with a limited fleet.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Once a company graduates from a testing permit to a for-hire permit, an initial fleet cap has been established.

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<v Hannah Morrison>The city would conduct an annual analysis on operations and safety of that fleet to inform fleet cap changes.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Setting a cap on automated for-hire vehicles will help us safely manage this change to our streets and to the greater for-hire industry.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Next, I'd like to discuss defining testing permit metrics.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Under our proposed framework, every AV company would be required to begin local operations with a testing permit.

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<v Hannah Morrison>This would ensure that they prove their technology can navigate unique aspects of Portland streets before beginning to offer paid rides through a for-hire permit.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Under this proposal, all companies would be required to log 50,000 miles across their entire fleet with a testing permit before becoming eligible to apply for that for-hire permit.

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<v Hannah Morrison>And I want to highlight that this mileage requirement is just one piece of our permitting structure, so companies would have to complete those 50,000 miles while complying with all of our other safety and operational— excuse me, safety and operational requirements.

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<v Hannah Morrison>The 50,000 miles driven with a testing permit aligns with California Public Utility Commission statewide requirements, and we believe could strike the right balance between enough miles driven to prove that they can safely navigate our streets and not too many miles driven that we are encouraging empty vehicle miles traveled.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Thank you.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Next, I'd like to share our proposal around metrics for permit suspension.

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<v Hannah Morrison>These metrics were informed by the claims that you've already heard mentioned today from— that automated vehicle companies are making that they are safer than human drivers.

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<v Hannah Morrison>In fact, Waymo's homepage currently states that the Waymo software, or the Waymo driver, is over 10 times safer than the average human driver.

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<v Hannah Morrison>Well, we have a standard for permitting human private-for-hire drivers in the city to ensure that we're permitting safe drivers.

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<v Hannah Morrison>And here we propose holding the robotaxis to that same standard.

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<v Hannah Morrison>One key difference is that since the AV companies treat their software as a singular driver, this proposal would consider violations by any car within one company's fleet as accumulating to the same driver because it's using the same software.

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<v Hannah Morrison>For example, under this proposal, if 2 separate vehicles within one company's fleet were to get traffic violations, That would count as 2 traffic violations for that company's singular AV driver and would be grounds for suspending that company's permit.

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<v Hannah Morrison>And just to make sure it's clear, these metrics of 2 traffic violations in 1 year or violating the expectation of operating in a safe manner are the same standards to which existing private-for-hire drivers are already held.

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<v Hannah Morrison>I'd also like to point out the degree to which this differs from the language from last year's unsuccessful House Bill 4085.

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<v Hannah Morrison>In that bill, there were only 2 ways that the state would revoke an AV company's— suspend or revoke an AV company's permit.

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<v Hannah Morrison>First, if the automated vehicle was found to not be in safe operational condition, or second, if their operations created substantial risk of death or had already caused death or serious injury.

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<v Hannah Morrison>And we believe what was proposed in that bill is too low of a bar.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Anna, can I interrupt you just for a second, if you don't mind?

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<v Unidentified speaker>That's really good to know how we stack up against that preemption measure.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But can you go back and tell us, on each of these concepts, are these things that the other states or other cities around the country that you spoke to regarded— they regarded these as high priorities?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Or what, what were their major complaints?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Maybe you could elucidate either during or after your presentation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah, yeah, I'd be happy to.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I can answer this a little bit right now because we're in very early conversations.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Most other cities are in very early stages.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I was on a call with 5 major US cities just last week, and we were trying to identify actually everyone's priorities.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So that is kind of the stage we're at.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The number one priority for most people is preemption and the ability to simply regulate, issue and suspend permits, and set fleet caps.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But beyond that, there's still a lot of work to be done.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you for that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Of course.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So just to kind of conclude this slide, under this proposal, the remedy to the suspension of the AV driver and therefore the entire fleet would be for the company to show that they have addressed the issue or issues for which they received tickets, which would likely be through a software update.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The next policy concept is also safety-focused.

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<v Unidentified speaker>While we can see that automated vehicles stopping in bicycle lanes to wait to pick up passengers or drop them off could become a safety hazard, We actually are already preempted by state law in our ability to prevent these actions.

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<v Unidentified speaker>State law allows, as you can see on the slide, the momentary stopping or parking in bicycle lanes while actually engaged in loading or unloading property or passengers.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So our proposal here, and we'd like to hear your— what we'd like to hear your thoughts on, is to explore defining loading and unloading in private-for-hire code to limit AV stopping in bicycle lanes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>One way to do this would be to put a time limit on those loading and unloading activities.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'd also like to point out, if this definition was added to private-for-hire code, then it would apply to all types of private-for-hire trips, from AVs to taxis and TNCs.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The next policy concept focuses on exploring limitations on the sale, sharing, or transferring of data collected by AVs.

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<v Unidentified speaker>AVs collect data both inside and outside of their vehicles.

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<v Unidentified speaker>They use LiDAR, radar, 360-degree video and audio data use of this robust sensor array is crucial for their safe operations.

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<v Unidentified speaker>For example, using radar allows the AV to cut through heavy rain, snow, or fog in order to track pedestrians, vehicles, or other hazards at far distances.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And so while we understand the need for this data for safe operations, we also believe it's important to have a conversation about what else this data is used for and where it goes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We have begun to work with the City Data and Privacy Office to develop a framework for how this data is used.

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<v Unidentified speaker>To ensure that any regulations here would be consistent with related city policies on surveillance and policy, such as City Code Title 34 that prohibits the use of facial recognition by private entities in places of public accommodation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>On this topic, we would like to discuss limitations around selling, sharing, or transferring data from our streets that we can add to our administrative rule.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And this is the final policy concept before we move to discussion.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Under our current proposal, AVs are subject to the same fees as TNCs, including all permit and per-trip fees.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Another area where we think a fee may be appropriate is around workforce transition.

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<v Unidentified speaker>A third of the comments that we received during the public comment period for this administrative rule were related to labor, as you heard from Jacob, and it is undeniable that there will be workforce impact with the introduction of AVs.

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<v Unidentified speaker>A workforce transition fee could provide funds for things like job training, job placement, or other we know this council just passed the Driver's Resource Center ordinance, and there may be a way to connect workforce transition activities to that new center.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And finally, we think that there should be some further consideration of other impact fees due to the continued growth and impacts of the entire private-for-hire industry on our streets.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, and I'd now like to hand it back to Shoshana Cohen to share next steps.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you, Hannah.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Next slide, please.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So again, before diving into discussion, just sort of reiterating next steps for this process.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>As mentioned, we've already been working on the next stage of AV administrative rules and some potential proposed code updates, which we really want to hear more about, sort of feedback.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And I think that's back and forth with you all.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And we expect, based on the feedback from this conversation, to be back sometime in the fall.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>And then— and I believe Derek Bradley is in the room from the Office of Government Relations.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Again, we're also already preparing for the state conversation.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We know it's coming and are just, you know, really trying to make sure we're not preempted as our top priority.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So that concludes our presentation, and we're looking forward to hearing your feedback.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you all very much for the work that you've done to date and for outlining some policy options for us.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I know we have a lot of questions and a lot of concerns about so let's start with Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Chair Clark.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, team, for the work on this.

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<v Mitch Green>It's been much anticipated.

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<v Mitch Green>My office has had a lot of conversations with your folks about ways that we might want to sort of respond to the Waymo question or the AV question.

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<v Mitch Green>And so kind of knowing that the fact that there's just this robust rulemaking process that's, I think, maybe envisioning more than just rulemaking, but kind of thinking, how do we lead on codification here, has been a very good thing.

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<v Mitch Green>So I just want to acknowledge that.

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<v Mitch Green>So I want to respond, I think, just right up front to the— because you're testing some ideas with us.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think that's— I think the 7 items are great.

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<v Mitch Green>I think it's a really great framework.

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<v Mitch Green>There's not much there that I think— well, there's nothing there I disagree with.

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<v Mitch Green>I think I want to flesh out some areas a little bit more, but one of the things that I do want to make sure that we acknowledge here is— I appreciate understanding that if we go down this road to permit Waymos to operate in our city, there will be a labor displacement problem.

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<v Mitch Green>Like, that's real.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think if we're going If we're going to say let's deal with that through a just transition style impact fee, the fees are going to be large.

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<v Mitch Green>Mm-hmm.

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<v Mitch Green>Because those are not just little, you know, couple hundred bucks per, you know, like this is, these are real livelihoods.

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<v Mitch Green>And so if we're going to go down to that level, we need to be pretty serious about what those impact fees might be.

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<v Mitch Green>So I'm just kind of noting that now, that if we're going to send that signal to the workers that you have to be honest that you actually want it to be a supportive tool.

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<v Mitch Green>There's obviously more conversation we need to have around this piece of it.

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<v Mitch Green>But I want to touch on a couple areas.

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<v Mitch Green>I support the approach that you kind of framed up of saying we do need to take a codification approach through the city in partnership with PBOT.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I would—.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm grateful to be part of that.

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<v Mitch Green>I support thank you.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Councilor Smith, I appreciate you bringing this up.

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<v Millicent Williams>I think it's important that we support that through this committee.

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<v Mitch Green>I— Councilor Koyama Lane and I have been kind of working on sort of a little bit of a one small element of a theme that's in here, which is really the Vision Zero compliance piece.

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<v Mitch Green>We were worried about missing the moment and not having any regulatory authority to say, I don't want to start issuing permits for these things before we have a handle on this.

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<v Mitch Green>I don't really buy their claims to safety.

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<v Mitch Green>They're not really grounded in evidence.

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<v Mitch Green>And So it's good to see that in here.

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<v Mitch Green>And so we were wanting to kind of move kind of quickly on a very sort of tight code change in this TNC code, understanding that that's not nearly sufficient enough.

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<v Mitch Green>And it was about really making sure you have a Vision Zero compliance piece.

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<v Mitch Green>But I'm seeing that language kind of already on the slide, which tells me that you're incorporating some of the things that we've already been talking to you guys about behind the scenes.

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<v Mitch Green>I think for my part, I think that if you cannot meet the basic bar of respecting our Vision Zero framework and not abusing the kind of preemption, which by the way is deeply troubling to me, maybe we want to take that up with the state legislation that like we need to tighten up what that language means because people camping in the bike lane with the hazards on for 15 minutes is unacceptable.

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<v Mitch Green>It happens to me all the time.

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<v Mitch Green>I ride my bike to and from work all the time, and I see, um, you know, I see folks just waiting there and waiting with hazards on.

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<v Mitch Green>Uh, if, if we expect that to be a Waymo outcome, that, that's going to doubly enrage me because at least someone's not getting paid for that work, right?

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<v Mitch Green>So, um, anyway, I'm rambling.

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<v Mitch Green>The point I'm trying to make thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>So all of this Vision Zero work rests on a scaffolding of commitment to make sure every opportunity we're kind of tweaking or turning our dials to kind of go towards enabling the outcomes that we want.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I support this broad framework.

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<v Mitch Green>I think this— the claims to safety are grounded in this idea that you completely replace your fleet with autonomous vehicles, and then at that Councilor Smith.

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<v Mitch Green>And then at that point, you get scale benefits of safety, but that's not ever going to happen because people are never going to just give their cars up and just take robo-taxi rides all the time.

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<v Mitch Green>So measurement matters, metrics matter.

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<v Mitch Green>It sounds like that's what PBOT wants to commit to here.

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<v Mitch Green>I like the idea of a conditional test permit because that allows us to say— it's easier, I think, to regulate up front than it is on the Mm-hmm.

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<v Mitch Green>That's kind of what I'm saying.

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<v Mitch Green>Data sharing and privacy limitations are core.

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<v Mitch Green>Like, we cannot be in the business of allowing companies to drive around our city and surveil us and then sell that to whoever.

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<v Mitch Green>And yeah, I probably have more to say, but I just think, you know, the reason why I was comfortable backing off, and I think Councilor Koyama Lane was comfortable backing off on approach is 'cause we recognize it's important to do this right and with maybe a broader buy-in here.

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<v Mitch Green>And you can't have 3 conversations with committee members, otherwise you violate quorum.

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<v Mitch Green>And so this is one of those moments where I think there's enough alignment on this committee to say, let's do this all together and let's kind of work in partnership with PBOT.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think fall timeline makes a lot of sense.

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<v Mitch Green>So I probably have more to say later, but I'll—.

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<v Mitch Green>Okay.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Olivia Clark>I really appreciate those comments.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Clark.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm a little confused by something I heard early on.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Shoshana, I think you said what we heard from you all last time, and I think someone else mentioned February in the context of hearing we want to take an approach that sets a really high bar with operational standards.

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<v Sameer Kanal>When was this?

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So, yeah, thank you for the question.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I realize this was the previous iteration of this committee when it was the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>So we would be happy to give you some more background if that would be helpful.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, our committee started April 14th, and at that, you know, previous time to that, a quarter of the city was not represented here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so, and I just wanna, since it's my first time, I guess, to be able to express it, that is not my opinion.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The approach I wanna take is a categorical ban and a full-press OGR effort at the state against preemption.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'd like to have code that simply says all vehicles require a human driver.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It would take 6 words.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I'm also concerned that the— appears there's a thumb on the scale here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I, I mean, there's marketing materials and city presentations, uh, which is concerning to me.

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<v Sameer Kanal>On slide 14, we've got their slogans and stuff here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I, I'm thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm concerned about that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And you can go to slide 14 if you'd like.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Waymo coming would require more training for PPB and emergency responders broadly on how to interact with driverless vehicles.

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<v Sameer Kanal>As of right now, Waymo permitting costs, or any autonomous vehicles, I think the current plan is $500.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I have a question for Deputy City Attorney Nancy Thorington.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The proposed funding for this program is $1 million, which is way too low, by the way.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's not supplanting general fund dollars for public safety trainings.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Overtime and training pay is expensive, and the need for the training is being caused by a technology that's not— the companies that are pushing are not paying for.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Additionally, I believe Jacoby said requiring training for first responders.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Has any discussion occurred related to bargaining about required training?

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<v Jacob Sherman>Sorry, Councilor Kanal, I didn't quite hear the last part of your question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Has any conversation happened in the bargaining context as it relates to represented workers and required trainings?

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<v Jacob Sherman>No, not that I'm aware of.

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<v Jacob Sherman>We have started conversations with Portland Police Bureau about like what these kinds of— this kind of training could look like, but we haven't gotten into a conversation on bargaining.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm switching gears to the data side.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I agree with everything Councilor Green said, and, you know, we don't know broadly what these companies do with the data they collect.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so another reason we shouldn't have them here is that they're not being required to share all their data as a stipulation of operating in Portland.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm also concerned about the use of the word limitation on selling.

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<v Sameer Kanal>What limits do that bans do not is allow some, right?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Ban means none.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Limitation means some.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I agree.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Could mean we're restricting it by 1% and 99% of it's okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So what I'm curious is what's the sum that's being proposed to be allowed?

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I have significant concerns about that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think our existing rules, compliance with them is vital, and they are itself not enough, which is why we started the conversation about data privacy and governance at council in previous legislation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Waymo does not currently receive We capture the cost to society in terms of environmental impacts of data center usage of both electricity and water.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't believe that we can account for that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So instead of— I guess broadly speaking here, I'm concerned about the approach of trying to either regulate something that just should not be allowed or use regulations to sort of backdoor a ban when we could just ban it with 6 words.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It might need more than 6, I understand that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm, I'm being rhetorically 6 words.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, Jacob, you mentioned that we've heard from 220 people so far.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Was any outreach done in District 2?

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<v Jacob Sherman>Our, um, outreach was, uh, we didn't do any physical outreach in District 2.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Um, you know, again, we kind of marketed this very broadly, went to all of our committees— bicycle, pedestrian, freight, um, advisory committee.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I'm sure some of those stakeholders well, and it was sent out to 30,000 people throughout.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We did sort of the standard administrative rulemaking outreach, plus I think knowing this was something that people were really interested in, we did send, I think, more emails.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We extended the time, I think, twice as long as typical.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So we didn't go out to a lot of places, but we did, I think, what we would consider robust outreach for So I recognize that, that the primary responsibility for engagement is no longer going to be with the bureaus, so I'm not putting this on you, but I do want to ask, what is the takeaway from the idea that time was extended, more emails were sent— 30,000 emails, you said— and that 220 people responded in the context where this may be a high-profile high engagement, high interest item.

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<v Sameer Kanal>What, what, what, uh, was a conclusion drawn by the level of participation, if any, by PBOT?

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you for the question, Councilor.

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<v Millicent Williams>I don't know that a conclusion was drawn other than, um, uh, perhaps people, um, aren't seeing the urgency and don't know the potential imminence of, uh, This type of tool being employed in the city potentially.

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<v Millicent Williams>I would imagine that if we were to go back again, perhaps even changing the way that we introduced the survey, if we did some personal district-by-district outreach, perhaps we would have a different outcome.

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<v Millicent Williams>But I don't know that we can draw definitive conclusions on what that's saying other than that 29,800 people chose not to comment.

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<v Gabe Graff>Yeah.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And to be clear, I, again, I think this is probably something that we need to reach out to the citywide engagement team on to provide support and not count on PBOT doing it.

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<v Millicent Williams>Thank you.

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<v Millicent Williams>That's great.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But I want, and I also want to offer to assist in that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I know they have capacity.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think there's capacity concerns too, but we— I don't think we can make a wholesale change to a very significant— the place where I think Portlanders interact the most with the city, that they know they're interacting with the city, is in transportation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I would put water and sewer on there too, but it's not always known which is private, which is not.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so if we're changing that front end of people's interaction with the city significantly, I think it does require more there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>2 final questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>One, the bike lane thing that you cited, a state law, do we know if that establishes a floor or if it is itself preemption?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Like, just because they exempted it, does that mean that we can't provide legislation that— and I don't know if you asked the lawyers already on that.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I believe that we can double-check, but that is our understanding, is that that does prevent us.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>But we can follow up again and double-check.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, that's another concern.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I agree with everything there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We currently have Amazon, UPS, all sorts of delivery vehicles blocking driver lanes, bike lanes all over the place, and we've shown an inability to deal with that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The idea of having a fleet of additional vehicles doing it is pretty concerning to me.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I routinely get stopped between driving around here in downtown while one lane is going and I can't get over because I'm stuck behind a vehicle that's just stopped illegally, I should note.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Last thing I wanted to mention is in the context of labor, you know, this is a new generation of tech bro companies here, but previous ones have developed a model that they call disrupting to the taxi industry.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And the taxi industry has its limitations, of course, but they did it by creating TNCs.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And in parallel, I lived in New York.

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02:19:41.144 --> 02:19:47.369
<v Sameer Kanal>They developed an app that let you hail a licensed medallion taxi there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>What TNCs did that was different is they also added the second thing of making drivers, instead of being employees, independent contractors.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And that took away labor protections.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It took away benefits from a workforce that is largely Black and brown men, and now we're talking about that wasn't good enough.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The only way to extract further profit is by putting that workforce, which remains primarily Black and brown men, out of business entirely, out of a job entirely.

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<v Sameer Kanal>That alone, to me, would be enough for a ban.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We do not have the capacity.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We don't have the money.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We don't have $500 for a.

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02:20:30.602 --> 02:20:39.403
<v Sameer Kanal>Permit or whatever is not going to cover the cost of a just transition for one driver, let alone, you know, the hundreds and thousands that we have.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so I am concerned that we are accepting the premise that this is going to happen instead of fighting as hard as we possibly can against it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and we might lose, but it won't be because we didn't stand up for people in our city, and it won't be because we didn't stand up for our environment or our data privacy or our budget in the context of ensuring payments for, uh, that, that supplant general fund dollars on trainings.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And it won't be because we didn't care about safety.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It'll be because we tried and we failed.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I am okay with that as long as we try.

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<v Gabe Graff>Thanks.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate your comments.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Smith, for those comments.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm going to ask a few questions before I turn it back over to Councilor Green, and I don't see Councilor Koyama Lane's hand up yet.

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<v Olivia Clark>Just a couple quick questions related— when there are closures or special events, I've noticed that my GIS or whatever it is on my phone doesn't catch up either.

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<v Olivia Clark>That's a problem.

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<v Olivia Clark>Just, I don't know if you guys have noticed that when you're going places, that doesn't work either.

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<v Olivia Clark>Let's see, on the fee concept, I think I really appreciate your adding that.

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<v Olivia Clark>I think that was at my request in a meeting that we charge for something.

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<v Olivia Clark>And you're right, the workforce impact fee is really not great enough, but I think we should also consider a transit impact fee.

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<v Jacob Sherman>Yeah.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Just throw that out there.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Um, and I know you, you are already speaking with the public safety community.

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02:22:23.729 --> 02:22:26.115
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, sounds like already working with them.

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02:22:26.244 --> 02:22:32.837
<v Unidentified speaker>I just bumped into a firefighter here earlier today and said we were talking about this issue today, and he expressed grave concern.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I'm, um, appreciate that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I'd like to call up Derek from OGR and ask him a couple of questions, and I knew you may wish to as well.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thanks for being here today, and thank you for your work last session in trying to impact the preemption bill that was floated during the 30-day session.

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<v Unidentified speaker>You know, I spent a part of my career trying to stop preemptions, working with a governor who was willing to do that, who was willing to not preempt cities, at least on revenue-raising issues and on mandates with no money.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We had an agreement to do that.

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02:23:23.251 --> 02:23:25.065
<v Unidentified speaker>That kind of went away with the next governor.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I guess I just wanted to hear you, Derek, talk about what you're— what you think might happen next session in January, this bill, whatever it was, I don't remember who the sponsors were, maybe you can share that as well, is going to be reintroduced in, I would imagine, the same format.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Can you just talk a little bit about that experience with us and what you foresee in the future?

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<v Derek Bradley>Certainly.

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<v Derek Bradley>Chair Clark, members of the committee, for the record, my name's Derek Bradley, he/him, state legislative— State regional coordinator for the City of Portland.

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<v Derek Bradley>Relations coordinator, sorry.

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02:24:05.536 --> 02:24:10.399
<v Derek Bradley>It's a little bit of a cloudy crystal ball at the moment.

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<v Derek Bradley>There is certainly some amount of, I would say, passion in the legislature about creating a statewide AV system that would have certainly some amount of preemption.

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02:24:28.564 --> 02:24:32.019
<v Derek Bradley>The amount or where that lands on the gauge is an active conversation.

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02:24:33.250 --> 02:24:59.851
<v Derek Bradley>There is, however, a lot going on and building up to come forward next legislative session, not just about transportation, which will have another attempt at a package, but serious questions about managing the impacts of HR 1 at the state, and there's, I think, some uncertainty about capacity for some of these.

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02:24:59.899 --> 02:25:00.846
<v Olivia Clark>And what was HR 1?

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02:25:01.457 --> 02:25:01.842
<v Millicent Williams>Is that right?

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02:25:02.099 --> 02:25:02.371
<v Millicent Williams>HR 1?

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02:25:02.966 --> 02:25:03.479
<v Derek Bradley>The federal—.

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<v Olivia Clark>Oh, that.

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<v Derek Bradley>Yes, yes.

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02:25:06.001 --> 02:25:14.141
<v Derek Bradley>Um, sorry, the federal transfer of public wealth to not the public.

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<v Derek Bradley>Um, And so I think there's a very real opportunity, chance that something returns.

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02:25:24.648 --> 02:25:36.536
<v Derek Bradley>I believe there was enough communication with legislators that we're not gonna see an exact replica of the previous bill.

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02:25:36.827 --> 02:25:47.233
<v Derek Bradley>But again, how far along they, what position they start from, how willing they are to consider Um, local impacts is very— it's difficult to tell at this moment in time.

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<v Derek Bradley>One thing that I do think I should emphasize for consideration is we have jurisdictional partners that are interested in the outcome of a statewide preemptive system, but I do believe they largely view this as a— this will impact the city of Portland first and maybe thank you.

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02:26:10.450 --> 02:26:10.450
<v Derek Bradley>I think that's a good point.

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02:26:10.450 --> 02:26:21.079
<v Derek Bradley>I think that this is probably only for a while, and we have a very serious and large agenda and transportation agenda already bubbling.

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02:26:22.010 --> 02:26:29.750
<v Derek Bradley>So when there are moments— and again, I hesitate to even put this because I don't want to speak for my colleagues that are lobbying for other jurisdictions.

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02:26:29.889 --> 02:26:33.250
<v Derek Bradley>I don't want to speak for legislators that haven't decided what they're going to pursue next year or how.

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02:26:33.709 --> 02:26:38.549
<v Derek Bradley>But I think there's risks involved with wherever the city lands.

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02:26:38.579 --> 02:26:57.257
<v Derek Bradley>Bans, wherever this— however far on the dial, as you move further and further or all the way to a ban or tighter or tighter regulations, there will be a reaction from not just the company but from people that are believers in Salem that this is a technology that should be embraced.

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02:26:57.949 --> 02:27:04.148
<v Derek Bradley>And that will create risks of preemptive language being introduced and garnering support.

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02:27:04.372 --> 02:27:18.426
<v Derek Bradley>And So I think you have— I will offer a worst-case scenario and a best-case scenario and put, you know, for your consideration as how you want to pursue in your deliberations.

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02:27:18.556 --> 02:27:26.443
<v Derek Bradley>I think worst-case scenario is that the city implements a ban or a highly restrictive framework.

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02:27:27.394 --> 02:27:34.531
<v Derek Bradley>It creates a large upswell of interest and passion in Salem to make a statewide framework.

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02:27:35.368 --> 02:27:48.408
<v Derek Bradley>There is a lot of interest among the pro-AV community while other jurisdictional partners have a very substantial amount of workload and can't participate as much as they might on a thing that directly impacts them immediately.

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<v Derek Bradley>And it's a very difficult, if not impossible, uphill struggle to stop a package from moving forward that is not exactly— that is not what the city is particularly interested in.

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02:28:00.424 --> 02:28:08.236
<v Derek Bradley>All the way on the other end, best case scenario, Uh, council considers, deliberates, and passes the AV either ban or framework that works best for them.

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02:28:09.072 --> 02:28:31.912
<v Derek Bradley>Um, there is some upsetness from for-profit corporations that stand to make money off of this, but it falls upon deaf ears as legislators have other things going on and other jurisdictions and partners come in and say this would be terrible and we think we should give Portland a shot to see how this pans out.

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<v Derek Bradley>It is a large— I acknowledge it is a very large, like, point A to point B is very far apart from one another, and how the reactions might play out, it's difficult to say.

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<v Derek Bradley>And so I do apologize I don't have a better sense to offer.

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02:28:50.271 --> 02:28:58.225
<v Derek Bradley>Uh, I do think there was some very good, like, education and discussion with legislators in this year's legislative session.

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02:28:59.240 --> 02:29:11.199
<v Derek Bradley>I think there was an initial belief that we had to hurry up and go down in Salem on this, and I think there was, there was clearly some success in slowing it down.

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<v Derek Bradley>How well that translates into action next year is unfortunately beyond my current ability to predict.

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02:29:20.248 --> 02:29:22.043
<v Olivia Clark>Well, thanks for that anyway.

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02:29:22.987 --> 02:29:25.734
<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate your thoughts.

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02:29:26.601 --> 02:29:35.335
<v Olivia Clark>I never found the Portland delegation, even maybe the regional delegation, very interested in transportation, frankly.

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02:29:35.448 --> 02:29:43.573
<v Olivia Clark>I mean, maybe they're more interested now, but I thought that the sponsors of the preemption legislation were from the metropolitan area.

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<v Olivia Clark>Is that right?

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02:29:45.628 --> 02:30:11.465
<v Derek Bradley>The and I think too, I want to— yes, but it is someone that opened the conversation saying, you know, I want to engage with the City of Portland and make sure we get this right, but I want to— I want a statewide framework, and I want a statewide framework that works for local jurisdictions and for the AVs to come in and operate.

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02:30:12.583 --> 02:30:15.238
<v Derek Bradley>And that was from a representative in the metropolitan area.

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02:30:15.987 --> 02:30:30.278
<v Derek Bradley>Who I think considering their level of interest in pursuing an updated version next year, I think she's— last I spoke to her last month, she's still working through her options and her considerations.

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<v Derek Bradley>But she was a great— she very proactively engaged with the city, with PBOT, myself, and realized that the initial effort was not best suited to get done in the short session.

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<v Derek Bradley>And so she has shown herself to be interested in these discourses and dialogues.

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02:30:50.365 --> 02:31:01.121
<v Derek Bradley>But I don't think we've gotten much further past the bill in the short session was moving quickly and had a lot of unanswered questions, and there were concerns raised by local jurisdictions.

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<v Derek Bradley>So we needed more time.

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02:31:02.933 --> 02:31:04.824
<v Derek Bradley>I don't think we've gotten beyond that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Well, thank you, Derek.

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02:31:06.075 --> 02:31:08.431
<v Unidentified speaker>I think I'm glad you're here today.

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02:31:08.719 --> 02:31:16.520
<v Unidentified speaker>I think you will benefit from the presentation that PBOT made today that has piqued our interests.

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02:31:16.698 --> 02:31:25.326
<v Unidentified speaker>And my own desire is to come up with an ordinance that puts much of this on the books for us.

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02:31:25.551 --> 02:31:29.237
<v Unidentified speaker>And I would like to think that that strengthens our position going into the session.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I don't know.

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02:31:30.480 --> 02:31:31.528
<v Unidentified speaker>There's a lot of unknowns.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But we'll have that conversation here I'm also going to ask PBOT for your help in drafting that for— with us, for us, given all of your— what you've heard to some extent and some of those policy issues, and particularly what you're learning, what you will learn, continue to learn from the other cities and their experience across the board.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I think we can really benefit from that.

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02:32:01.102 --> 02:32:06.614
<v Unidentified speaker>And we can share that with our delegation, our Salem delegation as well, is this is what's happened in other cities.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We don't want that to happen here, et cetera, et cetera.

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02:32:09.994 --> 02:32:13.195
<v Unidentified speaker>When we start thinking about January, I'm sorry, I'm already, I'm in January.

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<v Unidentified speaker>But thank you for your comments.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'm going to stop there.

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02:32:18.828 --> 02:32:23.162
<v Unidentified speaker>And Councilor Koyama Lane hasn't had a chance to ask a question.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Would you like to speak now?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Sure.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you so much.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you so much for the presentation.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Chair.

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02:32:31.510 --> 02:32:39.684
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I love this idea of us being a united front as much as possible and working on this with as many committee members as we can.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, this is something that I have been working on and talking about for months.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Councilor Green, for recognizing that work.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>No, there are a lot of issues around privacy, safety, permitting, Um, happy to see, see some stuff move forward.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I have a couple questions for PBOT.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm wondering if you know if AV companies that are operating in other cities have dedicated human staffers on call to address safety issues and other real-time troubleshooting.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>What have you found when looking into that, if you have?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Yeah, I can answer that one.

1312
02:33:22.748 --> 02:33:32.799
<v Unidentified speaker>So there are— what we've seen is that for first responders, there is a dedicated person that is there to respond to those incidents, especially for first responders.

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02:33:33.649 --> 02:33:40.617
<v Unidentified speaker>For city staff, they typically have a point of contact, but it is less of a safety issue, more of a kind of issues that arise every day.

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02:33:40.715 --> 02:33:42.974
<v Unidentified speaker>So there's those 2 separate contact flows.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And have you looked into much how some AV companies are outsourcing those, the human support staffers, to other countries?

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<v Unidentified speaker>We have tried to.

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02:33:58.408 --> 02:34:00.441
<v Unidentified speaker>There honestly is not a lot of information on that.

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02:34:00.506 --> 02:34:05.629
<v Unidentified speaker>That is something that has proven very difficult to get more information on beyond some of the news articles that I'm sure you've also seen.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay, thank you.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And some other— my colleagues have touched on this, but are there any other thoughts that you all have around what we can be doing to protect local jobs, in particular drivers of taxis, TNCs, who continue to see consistent disruptions in the private-for-hire transportation?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is there anything else that you can add on to that?

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<v Jacob Sherman>Councilor Koyama Lane, I think in many ways kind of the, the the package of concepts that we're thinking about kind of working in concert with one another is where I think we see probably the most synergistic benefit.

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<v Jacob Sherman>So if you were employing something like a just transition fee in concert with a fleet cap that kept things relatively small for an extended period of time while we saw this start to roll out on the streets alongside high standards that hold the AV companies to their claim that they're safer than human drivers.

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02:35:16.408 --> 02:35:21.672
<v Jacob Sherman>I think it's kind of the combination of all of those things that we think would probably be the most protective.

1325
02:35:21.719 --> 02:35:25.085
<v Jacob Sherman>There's probably some additional strategies we could consider.

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02:35:25.199 --> 02:35:30.341
<v Jacob Sherman>We'd be happy to talk with you or your staff on that or with any other members of this committee.

1327
02:35:31.386 --> 02:35:32.655
<v Jacob Sherman>But I think in general, Yeah.

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02:35:32.825 --> 02:35:37.422
<v Jacob Sherman>It's the combination of these moves where we think we get the most benefit.

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<v Jacob Sherman>I don't know if there's anything you'd add.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Well, just sort of building on that, I think both of those things, a just transition fee or workforce transition fee, of course, is a big idea.

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02:35:48.734 --> 02:35:52.349
<v Shoshana Cohen>There's lots of other industries where automation is taking over.

1332
02:35:52.686 --> 02:36:01.965
<v Shoshana Cohen>But is there a way that even a relatively small— maybe it's huge or maybe it's relatively small, Thank you.

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02:36:02.906 --> 02:36:07.746
<v Shoshana Cohen>And the fleet cap idea, you know, in San Francisco we think there's 800.

1334
02:36:08.888 --> 02:36:10.545
<v Shoshana Cohen>You know, we could start really small here.

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02:36:10.737 --> 02:36:23.138
<v Shoshana Cohen>We could start at 50 or something and just, you know, to allow for some folks who are interested in seeing what potential benefits could come.

1336
02:36:23.347 --> 02:36:26.929
<v Shoshana Cohen>You know, we could not only start We could start it small, but we could keep it small.

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02:36:27.314 --> 02:36:38.120
<v Shoshana Cohen>We could have a small fleet that exists on our street just to offer this alternative for people who really think that it's another good alternative and really keep it there for a while depending.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>I mean, I think there's just a variety of ways that we could address the concerns if that seems like the thing to do rather than sort of letting what seems likely at some point for the state to take over.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>We might be able to push that off for a while.

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<v Shoshana Cohen>Thank you.

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02:36:54.129 --> 02:37:00.590
<v Shoshana Cohen>Um, but, you know, at some point it is likely that, um, the, the state conversation will continue.

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<v Olivia Clark>This is really the, the favorite, favorite pastime of lobbyists— speculation.

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02:37:08.427 --> 02:37:10.861
<v Olivia Clark>Um, uh, thank you for that.

1344
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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Green?

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02:37:14.576 --> 02:37:15.886
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, thank you, Chair Clark.

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02:37:16.031 --> 02:37:34.197
<v Mitch Green>Um, you know, I— what's challenging about this specific one, and it's not even about the topic, it's about the committee itself, is I think there's a shared interest that we all— everyone on the committee probably wants to do something about this, but we can't talk more than 2 at a time on a specific thing.

1348
02:37:34.309 --> 02:37:44.031
<v Mitch Green>And so if this is going to be a shared committee ordinance approach, like, we have to kind of engage with our differences and approaches very publicly.

1349
02:37:44.323 --> 02:37:56.153
<v Mitch Green>And so to To the extent that I'm— I mean, I do want to have a committee approach that says, here's what the committee is going to do, but we have to be kind of vulnerable about that.

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02:37:56.570 --> 02:38:09.621
<v Mitch Green>And so it's good that we're talking with our OGR publicly, with our strategic approach publicly, but— and so we might have maybe some differences of opinion on what the risks are of preemption, what the stakes are.

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02:38:10.236 --> 02:38:18.636
<v Mitch Green>I'm grateful for the Councilor Kanal kind of laid out a different position because that's, that's frankly much closer to my position.

1352
02:38:18.988 --> 02:38:26.985
<v Mitch Green>But I wasn't really prepared to say, you know, we must kill all the robots today, you know, which is not exactly what you said, but that's a meme.

1353
02:38:27.578 --> 02:38:29.264
<v Mitch Green>Next in the queue.

1354
02:38:30.051 --> 02:38:42.486
<v Mitch Green>So I guess what I'm just trying to telegraph here is we either need to sort of flesh this all out up here over the course of the next few committee meetings, or be prepared to have multiple proposals come forward.

1355
02:38:43.739 --> 02:38:43.950
<v Mitch Green>Mm-hmm.

1356
02:38:43.998 --> 02:38:47.014
<v Mitch Green>And then just debate 'em up and down and amend 'em as we normally do.

1357
02:38:47.502 --> 02:38:51.847
<v Mitch Green>But I wanna respect that you wanted to pull us together and have this unified approach.

1358
02:38:53.088 --> 02:38:58.645
<v Mitch Green>I don't know if you're gonna be comfortable with Councilor Kanal's approach or not, but I will note this.

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02:39:00.534 --> 02:39:04.766
<v Mitch Green>I think the transportation piece of the legislative agenda is going to be very big.

1360
02:39:05.538 --> 02:39:16.573
<v Mitch Green>And I think that there might be some appetite from some incoming representatives and senators to go a little bit harder than some of the ones that are currently in there now.

1361
02:39:17.296 --> 02:39:28.575
<v Mitch Green>And so I don't know what that does to the balance of power in Salem, but I think if you think about where Oregonians are at when it comes to— you use the word tech bros.

1362
02:39:30.145 --> 02:39:38.653
<v Mitch Green>They think about large data centers killing the bees in their neighborhood, and they, and they think about AI, and they're probably associating that with Waymo.

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02:39:38.798 --> 02:39:51.385
<v Mitch Green>And so I— all I'm saying is that there's probably going to be a political situation that provides cover for legislators who maybe want to take a position that's not the same as the lobbyists in this situation.

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02:39:52.775 --> 02:39:56.320
<v Mitch Green>I think House bill 4085 was written by Waymo.

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02:39:57.364 --> 02:39:59.227
<v Mitch Green>I mean, with almost no exceptions.

1366
02:39:59.290 --> 02:40:04.236
<v Mitch Green>And so, and it's like you can get that done by— with a $1,000 campaign donation.

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02:40:04.510 --> 02:40:06.034
<v Mitch Green>And so like that's what happens down there.

1368
02:40:06.114 --> 02:40:13.823
<v Mitch Green>And I think going into the next legislative session, it is riskier to kind of play this sort of game, but it might be more principled.

1369
02:40:14.224 --> 02:40:18.495
<v Mitch Green>And so I'm just sort of expressing my openness to seeing how this conversation unfolds.

1370
02:40:18.542 --> 02:40:19.088
<v Mitch Green>We have to do it publicly.

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02:40:19.170 --> 02:40:20.920
<v Mitch Green>Or else we're going to violate single meetings law.

1372
02:40:21.626 --> 02:40:23.632
<v Mitch Green>So I'm really trying not to do that.

1373
02:40:23.697 --> 02:40:33.412
<v Mitch Green>So that's why I'm talking in kind of weird generalities here and being kind of open about all this, because I— because this is the only place to do it by the letter of the law.

1374
02:40:34.134 --> 02:40:35.547
<v Mitch Green>So we'll see how this goes.

1375
02:40:36.702 --> 02:40:38.838
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you so much for that comment, really.

1376
02:40:39.014 --> 02:40:42.018
<v Olivia Clark>I'm— and I'm always trying to thread the needle.

1377
02:40:42.628 --> 02:40:47.670
<v Olivia Clark>And having been in Salem and spent most I understand the threat to us.

1378
02:40:48.006 --> 02:40:59.069
<v Olivia Clark>And by— I was going to say something nasty, but I'm trying to figure out what the best strategy really is for us as a city.

1379
02:40:59.487 --> 02:41:04.095
<v Olivia Clark>And whether something is inevitable or not, I don't know.

1380
02:41:04.465 --> 02:41:12.975
<v Olivia Clark>But I want us to be in the best position that we can possibly be, and the more that we're united and we did that on the TUF.

1381
02:41:13.055 --> 02:41:14.933
<v Olivia Clark>We did that on the street restoration fee.

1382
02:41:15.479 --> 02:41:18.627
<v Olivia Clark>We were pretty much a united front, and I really appreciate that.

1383
02:41:18.674 --> 02:41:22.352
<v Olivia Clark>I think we can replicate that with some different degrees.

1384
02:41:22.528 --> 02:41:26.045
<v Olivia Clark>So we'll talk more about that one-on-one.

1385
02:41:27.040 --> 02:41:28.195
<v Olivia Clark>We'll be careful.

1386
02:41:28.903 --> 02:41:29.977
<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Kanal.

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02:41:30.878 --> 02:41:31.792
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Chair Clark.

1388
02:41:32.323 --> 02:41:32.708
<v Sameer Kanal>2 things.

1389
02:41:32.804 --> 02:41:33.896
<v Sameer Kanal>First, just housekeeping.

1390
02:41:33.943 --> 02:41:35.918
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to make sure I got my exact wording right.

1391
02:41:36.000 --> 02:41:36.289
<v Sameer Kanal>Right.

1392
02:41:36.352 --> 02:41:44.909
<v Sameer Kanal>Previously, I think I used the word primarily, and I want to make sure that we know it's disproportionate in terms of the workforce percentages.

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02:41:45.584 --> 02:41:46.885
<v Sameer Kanal>Primarily is in some states.

1394
02:41:46.949 --> 02:41:48.073
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not sure about nationwide.

1395
02:41:48.170 --> 02:41:51.252
<v Sameer Kanal>So I just want to make sure I amend that to disproportionately.

1396
02:41:52.086 --> 02:41:55.395
<v Sameer Kanal>Getting back to what we were talking about here, and thank you so much, Derek, for being here.

1397
02:41:55.763 --> 02:41:56.790
<v Sameer Kanal>Appreciate it so much.

1398
02:41:57.048 --> 02:42:07.003
<v Sameer Kanal>And I don't know that we're going to be able to having a small number, these things don't tend to get reversed.

1399
02:42:07.164 --> 02:42:08.994
<v Sameer Kanal>All that tends to do is slow it down.

1400
02:42:10.390 --> 02:42:15.962
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I— slowing it down is better than doing, you know, open season.

1401
02:42:17.038 --> 02:42:26.432
<v Sameer Kanal>But I would be— I don't love the idea, to get to the original ask, of having only the right to make a number in code.

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02:42:26.512 --> 02:42:42.369
<v Sameer Kanal>I would want to have the hard I just— it's been— the mayor is clearly supportive of this, and so I don't want that to be just whatever the mayor decides is an appropriate number to pursue.

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02:42:42.904 --> 02:42:45.968
<v Sameer Kanal>I would like to have that require a public conversation.

1404
02:42:46.719 --> 02:42:52.683
<v Sameer Kanal>But again, I think the challenge I have and the difficulty with answering those questions, which are very good questions, is that I don't have the answer.

1405
02:42:52.747 --> 02:42:52.925
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

1406
02:42:53.102 --> 02:42:58.402
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate the work that's been done, is I don't want to talk about how to do the thing that I don't want to do.

1407
02:42:58.483 --> 02:42:58.691
<v Sameer Kanal>Mm-hmm.

1408
02:42:58.739 --> 02:43:01.181
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm just going to be that blunt about it.

1409
02:43:02.497 --> 02:43:09.356
<v Sameer Kanal>Because, you know, we could, you know, it's like asking how many people do we want to die?

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02:43:09.984 --> 02:43:10.931
<v Sameer Kanal>Mm-hmm.

1411
02:43:11.156 --> 02:43:14.737
<v Sameer Kanal>And I, that's why I always talk about, you know, Vision Zero is a numerical goal for me.

1412
02:43:14.786 --> 02:43:15.701
<v Sameer Kanal>It's the same idea here.

1413
02:43:16.136 --> 02:43:18.609
<v Sameer Kanal>It's, you know, you want to reduce, but you also want to get to zero.

1414
02:43:19.126 --> 02:43:20.501
<v Sameer Kanal>It's kind of the idea here.

1415
02:43:20.663 --> 02:43:23.686
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't want to open the door to it at all.

1416
02:43:26.829 --> 02:43:33.305
<v Sameer Kanal>The other point I wanted to raise with relation to— I'm scrolling up here through my notes.

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02:43:33.370 --> 02:43:33.899
<v Sameer Kanal>I apologize.

1418
02:43:34.638 --> 02:43:39.057
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate Councilor Green bringing up the serial meetings law.

1419
02:43:39.349 --> 02:43:44.108
<v Sameer Kanal>That would be something that the state legislature should spend its time on instead of this.

1420
02:43:44.797 --> 02:43:45.597
<v Derek Bradley>Yes.

1421
02:43:46.094 --> 02:43:50.038
<v Sameer Kanal>Funding TriMet should be something that the state legislature spends its time on instead of this.

1422
02:43:50.583 --> 02:44:02.510
<v Sameer Kanal>I think for all the criticism that individual councilors and the council as a whole have gotten for our choices of where to spend time on other pieces of legislation, I think you've all seen that if you work in Salem.

1423
02:44:02.990 --> 02:44:16.789
<v Sameer Kanal>And I don't think you want to have to defend why you stopped us from saving lives and also didn't fund transit and also didn't fund public schools and also didn't do all the things that, that Portlanders and frankly Oregonians are counting on legislators to do.

1424
02:44:17.351 --> 02:44:32.836
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, not to mention enabling us to do our jobs better and every county school board and everything else by, by, um, fixing the, um, the public meetings law in a way that, that maintains transparency and, and sunshine provisions but also allows us to do our, our thing.

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02:44:33.174 --> 02:44:53.323
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, the other piece that I was, uh, bringing up is with relation to human support, I think the answer we got was about city— you mentioned first responders and city staff, but I don't know that we had anything about staff of Waymo and Zoox and things like that.

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02:44:53.547 --> 02:44:54.300
<v Sameer Kanal>Was there anything there?

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02:44:54.620 --> 02:45:00.264
<v Jacob Sherman>I mean, we know that the companies have like in-field operations staff.

1428
02:45:00.313 --> 02:45:06.998
<v Jacob Sherman>I don't think we can provide a specific number of how many staff are in different cities, but they typically do have staff.

1429
02:45:10.516 --> 02:45:15.227
<v Sameer Kanal>And when you say operations, are you distinguishing between operations and customer service in that?

1430
02:45:15.599 --> 02:45:15.858
<v Sameer Kanal>Correct.

1431
02:45:16.489 --> 02:45:17.087
<v Jacob Sherman>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1432
02:45:17.168 --> 02:45:26.631
<v Jacob Sherman>So operations that could actually help respond to an incident or something like that, retrieve vehicles or those kinds of things, differing from customer service.

1433
02:45:26.808 --> 02:45:34.969
<v Jacob Sherman>If you, you know, got overcharged on your ride or needed to talk to someone about kind of app-based issues, Based issues.

1434
02:45:36.859 --> 02:45:43.155
<v Sameer Kanal>In the last— since I've taken office, I'm going to say it that broadly to not name the specific one, uh, I attended a conference.

1435
02:45:43.461 --> 02:45:48.995
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I know, uh, that there's often, um, negativity associated with attending conferences.

1436
02:45:49.043 --> 02:46:00.141
<v Sameer Kanal>I think they're very valuable, but this particular one was very valuable on the whole, and it was sponsored by one of the ridesharing companies— that's, uh, sorry, one of the autonomous vehicle companies, one of the ones you we've discussed today.

1437
02:46:00.865 --> 02:46:08.386
<v Sameer Kanal>And the company, um, they, they were like one of the lead sponsors, and so they spoke early on in the conference.

1438
02:46:08.450 --> 02:46:14.594
<v Sameer Kanal>And they, um, in the hallway before you entered the room, they had a, a vehicle of theirs, um, kind of in the corner.

1439
02:46:14.959 --> 02:46:19.453
<v Sameer Kanal>So you'd walk and you'd go into the room, or you'd keep going straight and over towards like the restrooms and stuff.

1440
02:46:19.519 --> 02:46:24.110
<v Sameer Kanal>There's this vehicle, and they, they, uh, their— one of their brags was, uh, in their, in their intro—.

1441
02:46:24.288 --> 02:46:42.950
<v Sameer Kanal>Introductory thank you.

1442
02:46:42.950 --> 02:46:59.934
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not comfortable necessarily saying kill all the robots yet, but I am comfortable saying that it's not at a place where we can just blindly trust that it works because it's better theoretically than a human driver.

1443
02:46:59.983 --> 02:47:01.788
<v Sameer Kanal>We all know terrible human drivers, don't get me wrong.

1444
02:47:03.420 --> 02:47:10.825
<v Sameer Kanal>But the idea that this is something we should put tons of, I mean, literal tons, right?

1445
02:47:11.164 --> 02:47:15.518
<v Sameer Kanal>Weight driving around without any sort of verification piece on it.

1446
02:47:15.615 --> 02:47:17.096
<v Sameer Kanal>Liability wasn't brought up today either.

1447
02:47:17.146 --> 02:47:17.487
<v Sameer Kanal>That's been a concern.

1448
02:47:17.552 --> 02:47:17.634
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1449
02:47:18.628 --> 02:47:21.582
<v Sameer Kanal>That's where I'm coming from on this.

1450
02:47:21.854 --> 02:47:22.416
<v Sameer Kanal>So thanks.

1451
02:47:23.299 --> 02:47:27.313
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you so much for those comments, Councilor Kanal.

1452
02:47:27.618 --> 02:47:32.979
<v Olivia Clark>I don't know, did we talk about liability in any of the proposals?

1453
02:47:33.558 --> 02:47:33.990
<v Olivia Clark>Oh, okay.

1454
02:47:34.632 --> 02:47:40.844
<v Jacob Sherman>I think I briefly mentioned it, but it was part kind of included in our base set of rules.

1455
02:47:41.054 --> 02:47:49.577
<v Jacob Sherman>So we weren't really spending time talking about it because I think we're planning on advancing some of those liability protections that we've already worked on with the City Attorney's Office.

1456
02:47:50.188 --> 02:47:59.272
<v Jacob Sherman>So didn't spend a lot of time on that because we're kind of already taking that as a kind of a starting position, if you will, um, and wanted to talk about some of these other policy concepts.

1457
02:47:59.335 --> 02:48:02.641
<v Jacob Sherman>But I apologize for, um, glossing over that.

1458
02:48:02.690 --> 02:48:05.963
<v Jacob Sherman>We probably could have spent a little bit more time knowing it was a topic of some interest.

1459
02:48:06.173 --> 02:48:07.377
<v Unidentified speaker>No apology necessary.

1460
02:48:08.066 --> 02:48:11.197
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, well, colleagues, I don't see any other hands up.

1461
02:48:11.518 --> 02:48:14.469
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I think we'll conclude this part of our meeting.

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02:48:15.047 --> 02:48:15.863
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you so much.

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02:48:16.009 --> 02:48:29.485
<v Unidentified speaker>I, I do, um, I'm going to ask you, at least from my office, to begin to craft that ordinance while you're also working on your administrative rules, and we'll schedule a time, uh, for you to bring that back.

1464
02:48:30.046 --> 02:48:34.981
<v Unidentified speaker>I think we need to incorporate everything that you've presented today in terms of the policy areas.

1465
02:48:35.799 --> 02:48:40.271
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, I'm, uh, I was a little surprised to hear the start small with 50.

1466
02:48:41.010 --> 02:48:44.815
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, but that's a— that's an interesting concept as well.

1467
02:48:45.745 --> 02:48:59.860
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, and we will— um, I guess it's a, uh, it's incumbent on all of us to talk individually with our colleagues about this as well, those that are not on this committee that will have a real interest.

1468
02:48:59.956 --> 02:49:04.066
<v Unidentified speaker>I know others who used to be on this committee have a real interest.

1469
02:49:04.692 --> 02:49:07.582
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, So that's incumbent on all of us.

1470
02:49:07.679 --> 02:49:22.011
<v Unidentified speaker>But I do— I would really appreciate you— I know you're busy— but put together a draft for us, um, an ordinance that we might be able to implement, uh, if we get the votes on this council, um, before the legislature begins.

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02:49:22.588 --> 02:49:27.371
<v Unidentified speaker>That would be my, my hope, um, in some way, shape, or form.

1472
02:49:27.836 --> 02:49:31.014
<v Unidentified speaker>So thank you so much for the great work that you do.

1473
02:49:31.079 --> 02:49:31.319
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1474
02:49:31.416 --> 02:49:32.412
<v Unidentified speaker>Really appreciate it.

1475
02:49:32.540 --> 02:49:33.487
<v Unidentified speaker>Great presentation.

1476
02:49:33.921 --> 02:49:35.783
<v Unidentified speaker>And thanks also again, Derek, for being here.

1477
02:49:36.956 --> 02:49:45.369
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, okay, with that, um, just a little announcement from my colleagues.

1478
02:49:45.626 --> 02:49:49.752
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, our next meeting is Tuesday, August the 11th.

1479
02:49:50.442 --> 02:50:07.386
<v Unidentified speaker>We're still working on that agenda, but I'm— um, I suspect that we're going to bring back the bus advertising If, um, you've gotten the information that you wanted, uh, input from the City Attorney's Office, I believe, uh, we'll see if we can bring that back.

1480
02:50:07.931 --> 02:50:22.156
<v Unidentified speaker>And then I'm hoping that in our role on oversight that we are going to bring back the Bull Run Filtration Project and specifically learn about, um, their owner's rep and the independent filtration oversight panel.

1481
02:50:23.561 --> 02:50:24.772
<v Unidentified speaker>Oversight over oversight.

1482
02:50:25.644 --> 02:50:27.112
<v Unidentified speaker>So I think that will be beneficial.

1483
02:50:27.581 --> 02:50:33.561
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm not sure what else we're going to add or how much time we'll have, but that's what I'm thinking at this point.

1484
02:50:35.166 --> 02:50:39.852
<v Unidentified speaker>So with that, I will adjourn the meeting of the Public Works Committee.

1485
02:50:40.370 --> 02:50:40.889
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you all.

1486
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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

