{ "meetingId": "2026-07-28-pwc-1", "title": "Portland City Council Public Works Committee 07/28/26", "displayTitle": "Public Works Committee", "date": "2026-07-28T09:30:00-07:00", "duration": 171, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLeeuoDdm9M", "videoId": "qLeeuoDdm9M", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/public-works-committee/2026/7/28", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Update on local transportation funding", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-265" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Automated vehicles rulemaking update", "type": "Presentation", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/presentation/placed-file/2026-266" } ], "summary": "**Portland's Public Works Committee took no votes on July 28, placing on file two Portland Bureau of Transportation presentations — one on rolling out the new transportation fees, one on regulating driverless taxis — but a committee member said he would block one measure in September unless staff bring more options ([00:36:21](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:36:21)).**\n\nCouncilor Olivia Clark (District 4), the committee's chair and vice president, presided. Vice Chair Loretta Smith (District 1) was absent. The committee approved its June minutes by unanimous consent and heard no live public testimony on either item.\n\n## Transportation fee rollout and a discount fight\n\nPBOT Director Millicent Williams told the committee the transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee, both approved this spring, take effect **January 1** and have already stabilized the bureau's budget. \"If not for the transportation utility fee, PBOT would have faced very significant reductions in services this fiscal year,\" Williams said ([00:10:31](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:10:31)). She said the local gas tax now buys half of what it did in 2016.\n\nStaff laid out this year's allocations: the fee revenue splits 75% to maintenance and 25% to safety, with **$15 million to $26 million** for pavement maintenance ([00:20:31](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:20:31)) — the range driven by uncertainty over how much the street damage fee will raise — plus $1.8 million for streetlights and signals, $2.9 million for Vision Zero, and $2.9 million for sidewalk infill.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) pressed staff on the low-income discount for market-rate multifamily renters, saying the research presented only advanced one approach, a direct-to-tenant rebate. \"I won't vote yes on anything if I don't get another option besides that in September,\" Kanal said ([00:37:34](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:37:34)). He disputed staff's account of engagement: \"The time was offered. My staff did meet. We asked if more research had been done. And in that briefing, we were told no\" ([00:41:40](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:41:40)). Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen answered that the three models shown reflect implementation feasibility, not a final choice, and \"we have done more research\" on what she called a hard problem with few national precedents ([00:39:39](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:39:39)). Williams said the team needs more time to weigh a fuller set of options. Kanal later said his April vote \"was contingent on credible affordability analysis\" and that a bill delivered in a way \"easy and/or cheap for the city but harmful for our community's most vulnerable was not a policy decision that I thought I was voting on in April\" ([01:24:43](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@01:24:43)).\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) said he wants to revisit the rate design before the non-residential rate hearing, calling the commercial side hard on small businesses, and offered to work through the August recess \"cracking open some spreadsheets\" ([00:53:50](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@00:53:50)). He also urged bonding against Vision Zero revenue, noting $2.9 million could back roughly **$27 million** in bonds ([01:07:12](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@01:07:12)). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3), attending remotely, asked how the bureau would target funds to save the most lives and whether fee money could pay for safety studies ahead of paving.\n\nOn the West Burnside work that has drawn constituent pushback, Williams said the Burnside Bridge project funding \"fell through,\" prompting a phased approach spread over three years, with the first phase on West Burnside between 15th and 20th ([01:16:06](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@01:16:06)). Clark said she and Green had not been aware of the three phases and asked for a written explanation. Clark also flagged concern that the 2027 Legislature could change the state's 50/30/20 distribution formula.\n\n## Driverless-car rules and a call for an outright ban\n\nOn automated vehicles, Cohen told the committee \"there's no city in the country that is currently regulating for hire automated vehicles,\" and every city with an active deployment \"has been preempted by state legislation\" ([01:41:30](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@01:41:30)), with at least 16 states having passed preemption. She said Waymo, in written comments, \"look forward to seeing a successor bill approved in the 2027 session.\"\n\nJacob Sherman, who leads PBOT's emerging-technology work, said the rulemaking drew **over 220 comments**, with more than half mentioning safety and 34% raising labor and job concerns ([01:53:48](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@01:53:48)). Planner Hannah Morrison presented seven policy concepts, including authority to cap AV fleets, a testing permit requiring **50,000 miles** driven before a company could carry paying passengers, and treating a company's software as a single \"driver\" so violations across its fleet accumulate. She noted Waymo's homepage claims its system is \"over 10 times safer than the average human driver.\"\n\nKanal rejected the framing. \"I'd like to have code that simply says all vehicles require a human driver. It would take 6 words,\" he said, calling for a ban and a full state lobbying effort against preemption ([02:11:45](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:11:45)). He said the current $500 permit fee and a proposed **$1 million** program were \"way too low\" to cover police and first-responder training or a just transition for a workforce that is disproportionately Black and brown men. \"As long as we try,\" he said, he could accept losing the fight in Salem ([02:21:20](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:21:20)). Sherman confirmed no physical outreach was done in District 2.\n\nGreen said Kanal's position was \"frankly much closer to my position\" and that any just-transition fees \"are going to be large\" ([02:05:53](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:05:53)). He said the committee would have to argue its differences in public because members \"can't talk more than 2 at a time\" without violating meetings law, and offered his view that \"House Bill 4085 was written by Waymo... with almost no exceptions\" ([02:37:14](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:37:14)). Cohen suggested a fleet cap could start small — San Francisco has an estimated 800 vehicles, while Portland \"could start at 50\" ([02:35:39](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:35:39)). Derek Bradley of the Office of Government Relations offered a \"cloudy crystal ball,\" warning that a Portland ban could spur statewide preemption but noting the 2027 bill's metropolitan-area sponsor engaged the city and agreed the short session was not suited to the measure. Clark asked PBOT to draft an ordinance for the committee ([02:48:06](meeting:2026-07-28-pwc-1@02:48:06)).\n\n## What's next\n\nThe Fixing Our Streets Oversight Committee meets August 4. PBOT returns to the committee in September with a detailed investment strategy and a clearer low-income-discount recommendation, with a non-residential rate hearing set by February 15 and a code alignment ordinance in November. On automated vehicles, staff will return in the fall with rules and a draft ordinance ahead of the January 2027 legislative session. The committee's next meeting is Tuesday, August 11, when Clark expects to take up bus advertising and the Bull Run Filtration Project.", "summaryText": "Portland's Public Works Committee took no votes on July 28, placing on file two Portland Bureau of Transportation presentations — one on rolling out the new transportation fees, one on regulating driverless taxis — but a committee member said he would block one measure in September unless staff bring more options (00:36:21).\n\nCouncilor Olivia Clark (District 4), the committee's chair and vice president, presided. Vice Chair Loretta Smith (District 1) was absent. The committee approved its June minutes by unanimous consent and heard no live public testimony on either item.\n\nPBOT Director Millicent Williams told the committee the transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee, both approved this spring, take effect January 1 and have already stabilized the bureau's budget. \"If not for the transportation utility fee, PBOT would have faced very significant reductions in services this fiscal year,\" Williams said (00:10:31). She said the local gas tax now buys half of what it did in 2016.\n\nStaff laid out this year's allocations: the fee revenue splits 75% to maintenance and 25% to safety, with $15 million to $26 million for pavement maintenance (00:20:31) — the range driven by uncertainty over how much the street damage fee will raise — plus $1.8 million for streetlights and signals, $2.9 million for Vision Zero, and $2.9 million for sidewalk infill.\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) pressed staff on the low-income discount for market-rate multifamily renters, saying the research presented only advanced one approach, a direct-to-tenant rebate. \"I won't vote yes on anything if I don't get another option besides that in September,\" Kanal said (00:37:34). He disputed staff's account of engagement: \"The time was offered. My staff did meet. We asked if more research had been done. And in that briefing, we were told no\" (00:41:40). Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen answered that the three models shown reflect implementation feasibility, not a final choice, and \"we have done more research\" on what she called a hard problem with few national precedents (00:39:39). Williams said the team needs more time to weigh a fuller set of options. Kanal later said his April vote \"was contingent on credible affordability analysis\" and that a bill delivered in a way \"easy and/or cheap for the city but harmful for our community's most vulnerable was not a policy decision that I thought I was voting on in April\" (01:24:43).\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) said he wants to revisit the rate design before the non-residential rate hearing, calling the commercial side hard on small businesses, and offered to work through the August recess \"cracking open some spreadsheets\" (00:53:50). He also urged bonding against Vision Zero revenue, noting $2.9 million could back roughly $27 million in bonds (01:07:12). Councilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3), attending remotely, asked how the bureau would target funds to save the most lives and whether fee money could pay for safety studies ahead of paving.\n\nOn the West Burnside work that has drawn constituent pushback, Williams said the Burnside Bridge project funding \"fell through,\" prompting a phased approach spread over three years, with the first phase on West Burnside between 15th and 20th (01:16:06). Clark said she and Green had not been aware of the three phases and asked for a written explanation. Clark also flagged concern that the 2027 Legislature could change the state's 50/30/20 distribution formula.\n\nOn automated vehicles, Cohen told the committee \"there's no city in the country that is currently regulating for hire automated vehicles,\" and every city with an active deployment \"has been preempted by state legislation\" (01:41:30), with at least 16 states having passed preemption. She said Waymo, in written comments, \"look forward to seeing a successor bill approved in the 2027 session.\"\n\nJacob Sherman, who leads PBOT's emerging-technology work, said the rulemaking drew over 220 comments, with more than half mentioning safety and 34% raising labor and job concerns (01:53:48). Planner Hannah Morrison presented seven policy concepts, including authority to cap AV fleets, a testing permit requiring 50,000 miles driven before a company could carry paying passengers, and treating a company's software as a single \"driver\" so violations across its fleet accumulate. She noted Waymo's homepage claims its system is \"over 10 times safer than the average human driver.\"\n\nKanal rejected the framing. \"I'd like to have code that simply says all vehicles require a human driver. It would take 6 words,\" he said, calling for a ban and a full state lobbying effort against preemption (02:11:45). He said the current $500 permit fee and a proposed $1 million program were \"way too low\" to cover police and first-responder training or a just transition for a workforce that is disproportionately Black and brown men. \"As long as we try,\" he said, he could accept losing the fight in Salem (02:21:20). Sherman confirmed no physical outreach was done in District 2.\n\nGreen said Kanal's position was \"frankly much closer to my position\" and that any just-transition fees \"are going to be large\" (02:05:53). He said the committee would have to argue its differences in public because members \"can't talk more than 2 at a time\" without violating meetings law, and offered his view that \"House Bill 4085 was written by Waymo... with almost no exceptions\" (02:37:14). Cohen suggested a fleet cap could start small — San Francisco has an estimated 800 vehicles, while Portland \"could start at 50\" (02:35:39). Derek Bradley of the Office of Government Relations offered a \"cloudy crystal ball,\" warning that a Portland ban could spur statewide preemption but noting the 2027 bill's metropolitan-area sponsor engaged the city and agreed the short session was not suited to the measure. Clark asked PBOT to draft an ordinance for the committee (02:48:06).\n\nThe Fixing Our Streets Oversight Committee meets August 4. PBOT returns to the committee in September with a detailed investment strategy and a clearer low-income-discount recommendation, with a non-residential rate hearing set by February 15 and a code alignment ordinance in November. On automated vehicles, staff will return in the fall with rules and a draft ordinance ahead of the January 2027 legislative session. The committee's next meeting is Tuesday, August 11, when Clark expects to take up bus advertising and the Bull Run Filtration Project.", "summaryLede": "Portland's Public Works Committee took no votes on July 28, placing on file two Portland Bureau of Transportation presentations — one on rolling out the new transportation fees, one on regulating driverless taxis — but a committee member said he would block one measure in September unless staff bring more options.", "sections": [ { "title": "Regular agenda", "startTime": "00:06:30.052", "endTime": "02:50:23.561", "items": [ { "title": "Update on local transportation funding", "startTime": "00:06:30.052", "endTime": "01:38:49.587", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Automated vehicles rulemaking update", "startTime": "01:38:49.587", "endTime": "02:50:23.561", "agendaItemNumber": 3 } ] } ], "cues": [ { "id": "cue-1", "start": 390.053, "end": 390.993, "text": "Good morning, everyone.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-2", "start": 391.917, "end": 395.499, "text": "Uh, I'm going to call the meeting of the Public Works Committee to order.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-3", "start": 395.58, "end": 399.984, "text": "It's Tuesday, July 28th, at 9:32.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-4", "start": 401.106, "end": 402.701, "text": "Deanna, can you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-5", "start": 403.83, "end": 404.231, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-6", "start": 404.746, "end": 405.437, "text": "Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-7", "start": 406.353, "end": 406.465, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-8", "start": 407.301, "end": 407.687, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-9", "start": 408.587, "end": 408.699, "text": "Here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-10", "start": 409.422, "end": 409.776, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": 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"Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 527.784, "end": 530.017, "text": "Diana, can you please read the first item?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 531.62, "end": 539.899, "text": "Item number 1, June 9th, 2026 to June 23rd, 2026 Public Works Committee meeting minutes.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 542.077, "end": 542.255, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 542.319, "end": 545.804, "text": "Do I have any comments, objections, support?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 546.046, "end": 550.124, "text": "Seeing okay, so, um, the minutes are approved by unanimous consent.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 550.19, "end": 551.236, "text": "No objections.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-47", "start": 552.552, "end": 553.742, "text": "Great, let's move on.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 555.16, "end": 557.475, "text": "Uh, Diana, can you please read the first item?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 558.81, "end": 566.594, "text": "Item number 2, document number 2026-265, update on local transportation funding.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 568.51, "end": 568.881, "text": "Terrific.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 569.446, "end": 580.575, "text": "So colleagues, uh, as you recall, when we passed the transportation utility fee and the street damage restoration fee this spring, seems like so long ago at this point.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 582.41, "end": 592.148, "text": "We included there lots of concerns, lots of work to be done by PBOT.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 592.748, "end": 602.718, "text": "So my understanding is that there is specific 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624.028, "end": 625.618, "text": "We're really looking forward to this update.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 631.878, "end": 632.824, "text": "Good morning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 634.389, "end": 635.644, "text": "Thank you so much for having us.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 637.577, "end": 638.82, "text": "Give me one second, please.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 639.949, "end": 641.289, "text": "Shift some things around this morning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 641.854, "end": 642.402, "text": "So good morning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 642.596, "end": 643.984, "text": "My name is Millicent Williams.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 644.113, "end": 653.474, "text": "I am the director of the Portland Bureau of Transportation, and we'd 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"cue-70", "start": 686.977, "end": 692.472, "text": "Thanks to you and your council colleagues, PBOT's transportation funding is now a bit more stable.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 693.404, "end": 705.518, "text": "The transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee have already helped to stabilize this year's PBOT's budget and helped our staff to plan for the year with a certainty that we have not had for many, many years.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 706.514, "end": 713.005, "text": "While these mechanisms are helping to stabilize transportation funding, rolling them out is a collaborative Public Works project.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 713.506, "end": 724.217, "text": "We are 5 months away from implementation of the transportation utility fee and street damage restoration fee, and we're working together as a service area on communications and many structural 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"text": "Once again, I wish to thank all of you for making this work possible.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-91", "start": 813.474, "end": 819.98, "text": "If not for the transportation utility fee, PBOT would have faced very significant reductions in services this fiscal year.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-92", "start": 820.749, "end": 828.607, "text": "Thank you for preventing this loss of critical services and for providing funding for maintenance, operations, and safety work on our transportation system.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-93", "start": 829.346, "end": 836.507, "text": "Today, we are here to provide our first update on the progress we are making to implement the Transportation Utility Fee and the Street Damage Restoration Fee.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-94", "start": 837.117, "end": 844.921, "text": "Implementing these new revenue sources and delivering this work is a bureau-wide and, as 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"end": 1573.235, "text": "During this period, the transportation utility fee for commercial and non-residential residential non-residential properties will be 4.3%— excuse me— of their water, sewer, and stormwater bill.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1574.101, "end": 1585.844, "text": "The appeals process will be developed to provide relief for non-residential users where the water, sewer, stormwater bill is disproportionate to the transportation impact based on regional averages for similar types of businesses.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1586.741, "end": 1591.852, "text": "We're currently developing regional average commercial rates that will serve as the basis for the appeals process.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1592.125, "end": 1597.155, "text": "We're also working with city billing staff to analyze administrative and financial implications of this work.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, 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"start": 2067.905, "end": 2070.257, "text": "Thank you all, and welcome, Gabe.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 2070.744, "end": 2074.297, "text": "I imagine this is a little more complicated than a capital project.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 2074.637, "end": 2075.465, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 2076.742, "end": 2077.675, "text": "It's a lot to learn.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 2077.803, "end": 2078.591, "text": "A lot to learn.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 2079.057, "end": 2081.597, "text": "Well, thanks, and welcome to the team.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 2081.726, "end": 2083.993, "text": "We really appreciate this update.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 2085.538, "end": 2089.95, "text": "I know you can't dive too deeply, but we appreciate at least getting the skeleton of what's going on.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 2090.015, "end": 2092.642, "text": "And I know we're going to have lots of questions and comments here today.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2093.434, "end": 2095.461, "text": "So why don't we start with Councilor Kanal?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2096.321, "end": 2097.879, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2098.041, "end": 2099.112, "text": "Thanks everybody for being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2099.176, "end": 2100.198, "text": "I appreciate the presentation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2102.719, "end": 2110.753, "text": "I, as I listened through the first, let's say, 18 slides, I appreciate, and the end as well, a lot of what's been done here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2110.898, "end": 2115.136, "text": "And it seems like the core function process is going forward.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2115.652, "end": 2120.996, "text": "Councilor Avalos and I put up an amendment to the original ordinance back in— what was that, April?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2121.621, "end": 2127.267, "text": "And it doesn't appear like a lot of work's been done on that yet.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2127.332, "end": 2136.314, "text": "I appreciate, Shoshana, you saying that we're going to be coming back with more information in September, but my understanding is September is when you're also going to be asking us to vote.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2137.196, "end": 2143.067, "text": "And so I don't know how we're going to have the opportunity to provide— if there's going to be the opportunity for a feedback loop.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2143.452, "end": 2152.136, "text": "And I'll be more specific about what I'm looking at, but just from a process perspective, Are there going to be 2 different touchpoints in September, or is those going to be on the same— are those going to be on the same date?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2152.62, "end": 2158.571, "text": "We're happy with you to work sort of as you sort of would like us to do.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2158.636, "end": 2160.212, "text": "We can come with 2 points.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2160.763, "end": 2165.673, "text": "I think that's why we were laying out sort of right now where we were, that we have those 3 options.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2166.85, "end": 2171.015, "text": "So happy to follow up and make this work as you see.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2171.483, "end": 2174.645, "text": "I think that we're also looking for some feedback on what we've what we presented today.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2174.821, "end": 2180.487, "text": "So I think this is sort of one of the first, um, points, but again, happy to continue working with you as much as you would like.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2181.049, "end": 2185.671, "text": "Yeah, I think in terms of the SDRF, it feels like I have no immediate concern there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2185.784, "end": 2190.326, "text": "I'll, I'll, um, follow up if anything comes up, but that, that feels like it's, it's going well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2190.454, "end": 2192.99, "text": "In terms of— and if you could go to slide 19, please.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2193.648, "end": 2199.169, "text": "Um, the, uh, it'll be 19 and 20 primarily, but it'll start at 19.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2199.308, "end": 2214.178, "text": "So the understanding that I have from how that amendment went is that the intention was to actually increase the amount of research and not limit it to what we already had.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2214.775, "end": 2216.066, "text": "Actually, we should start with slide 20.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2216.13, "end": 2216.646, "text": "I apologize.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2218.952, "end": 2220.243, "text": "I'm a little surprised.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2220.646, "end": 2225.6, "text": "I don't know if anyone else here is a renter, but I rent a market rate unit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2225.664, "end": 2231.715, "text": "The idea that it may require tenant to disclose income to owner, and 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"start": 2262.013, "end": 2263.19, "text": "We have that billing authority.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2263.77, "end": 2268.331, "text": "So it seems like we're just— we've already decided that we want to go with the third option.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2268.944, "end": 2274.268, "text": "And I want to be clear, I won't vote yes on anything if I don't get another option besides that in September.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2274.735, "end": 2277.951, "text": "I am very opposed to that being the only thing that we explore.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2278, "end": 2279.658, "text": "And it appears that's all that's been explored.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2281.32, "end": 2282.207, "text": "Can— oh, go ahead.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2282.4, "end": 2295.207, "text": "If I may, Councilor, thank 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"text": "You can check the team's records, public records there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2589.679, "end": 2589.871, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2590, "end": 2590.417, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2592.727, "end": 2593.682, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2596.51, "end": 2597.064, "text": "Thank you, Chair.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2600.023, "end": 2601.792, "text": "Sorry, I am virtual today.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2604.146, "end": 2617.848, "text": "I wanted to say, as I was hearing this presentation, I wanted to say that I could really see that you all at PBOT really have taken close notes of what councilors are serious about and asking.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2621.722, 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choices that we make, that we aren't just arbitrarily deciding on a site and a plan to deliver, but rather that we're looking at any number of factors before making a determination.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2926.868, "end": 2931.929, "text": "Before we cut once, we measure twice to ensure that we're doing the right and best things.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2932.43, "end": 2932.915, "text": "And—.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2933.737, "end": 2937.7, "text": "I think I agree that it's an important thing for a community to know.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2938.266, "end": 2943.957, "text": "I know that we've had lots of conversations about people's impressions about some of the work that we do and the what and the why.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2944.199, "end": 2957.986, "text": "So we are going to 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3028.497, "text": "I know my team has— is in the beginning stages of exploring what it would look like to have 4-way stops on corners that are adjacent to schools.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3028.562, "end": 3030.988, "text": "Is that something that can be added to that list?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3031.052, "end": 3034.202, "text": "Is it something that would be considered in the next fiscal year?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3034.314, "end": 3040.202, "text": "If someone could speak a little bit to Slide 14 in that list, that would be great.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3041.797, "end": 3042.909, "text": "Sure, thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3043.585, "end": 3052.173, "text": "Yeah, we're really— the list of capital improvements on this slide is for this fiscal year, for this 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Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3089.26, "end": 3090.435, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3090.581, "end": 3094.939, "text": "And I'm— I appreciate you bringing up Burnside because all of I want to come back to that in a moment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3095.739, "end": 3096.277, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3097.859, "end": 3098.984, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3099.64, "end": 3102.759, "text": "Thank you so much, PBOT, for the presentation today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3104.173, "end": 3107.71, "text": "Big stuff and a lot to chew on here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3108.852, "end": 3114.399, "text": "I want to jump right into the tough kind of rate design question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { 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again, have a touch point.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 3211.177, "end": 3223.179, "text": "So I think there is some sort of behind-the-scenes work, I guess, and then have another touch point on that publicly in September so that then we can be ready for the rate hearings in January or February, as we sort of said, by February 15th.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 3223.291, "end": 3229.813, "text": "But we— it was initial research today, and now I think we're ready to sort of start engaging and making sure we're on track and just dive in deeper.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 3229.861, "end": 3229.957, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 3230.824, "end": 3231.626, "text": "That's great to hear.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 3231.706, "end": 3237.019, "text": "And I just kind of want to offer this, um, you know, council has a 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"cue-522", "start": 3455.403, "end": 3455.949, "text": "I appreciate it.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3456.029, "end": 3466.814, "text": "As I remember, I think that the members of the Oversight Committee came during the hearings on the TUF too and testified before us, so we might want to have them yeah, at some point.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3466.96, "end": 3467.317, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3467.382, "end": 3469.085, "text": "We're happy to bring them with you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3469.182, "end": 3470.204, "text": "I'm sure they would be happy to come.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3470.545, "end": 3486.891, "text": "And they, you know, anytime that we have, you know, big questions around rate design or anything like that, just, I'd love to hear, I'd love, I'd love to know what that oversight 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some other funding that we're continuing to do some daylighting with.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3564.507, "end": 3569.171, "text": "So I think that work will be continuing through this year, just not with the TUF funds.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3569.219, "end": 3570.293, "text": "But we can triple check that.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3570.341, "end": 3570.549, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3571.079, "end": 3572.974, "text": "Okay, thanks for that answer.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3573.311, "end": 3582.833, "text": "I just want to note that Hoboken, New Jersey had some high success by doing like infrastructure, physical barrier-based daylighting.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3583.041, "end": 3587.666, "text": "I mean, they had the flex posts, which are one tool, which are 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3644.605, "end": 3647.703, "text": "That's funded through the capital program that we have.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3647.815, "end": 3649.693, "text": "But that is something that we're thinking about all the time.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3649.741, "end": 3649.837, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3651.023, "end": 3660.689, "text": "The concerted effort that we had earlier this year and found funding to support daylighting is something that— is what Shoshana was mentioning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3661.041, "end": 3663.077, "text": "We do have the opportunity to continue to do that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3663.67, "end": 3671.22, "text": "And I would dare say, while this is a good list, I wouldn't suggest that it's an exhaustive list.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { 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"cue-574", "start": 3692.228, "end": 3693.77, "text": "That seems very strange to me.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3694.075, "end": 3695.006, "text": "I've never seen that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3695.119, "end": 3701.044, "text": "I lived in a city that in front of my house I used to get tickets because I would be too close to the stop sign.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3702.04, "end": 3709.309, "text": "And so that's a behavior change that we need to work on with folks, helping them to understand that it is safety that we're seeking.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3709.887, "end": 3718.324, "text": "And we recognize that losing a parking space in the front of your house, if that's something that you're used to, may be hard for folks.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3718.725, "end": 3726.312, "text": "But 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"start": 3815.038, "end": 3819.775, "text": "If that's at all in the world of what you're contemplating now, I just want to lend my support to that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3820.257, "end": 3822.408, "text": "This is something my neighbors are asking for.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3823.051, "end": 3826.679, "text": "And so it's not one of these things where it's like we're going to plop this in and now we're really mad at you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3827.145, "end": 3829.57, "text": "It's very much like, please put this on my street.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3829.65, "end": 3831.031, "text": "Well, it's a preventative measure, right?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3831.079, "end": 3831.721, "text": "It's a preventative measure.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3831.834, "end": 3832.299, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3832.941, "end": 3833.214, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3833.407, "end": 3835.527, "text": "So thank you for that, Councilor.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3836.155, "end": 3844.278, "text": "We will need to work together to identify how we can best deploy that tool to do that preventative work that we're talking about.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3844.326, "end": 3852.06, "text": "Right now, our cameras are on the high-crash network, and we don't have the team here that's responsible for managing that system.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3853.2, "end": 3861.841, "text": "We are always open to figuring out how we can more comprehensively provide that coverage that's necessary.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3862.928, "end": 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series of sort of overlapping oppressions.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 3965.062, "end": 3967.549, "text": "And of an economic and broad nature.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 3968.672, "end": 3973.067, "text": "But people who live on Skyline Boulevard tend to be a little more privileged.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3973.404, "end": 3976.821, "text": "And so, like, the risk factor in that regard is different.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3976.869, "end": 3979.532, "text": "So I think let us know how we can help.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3979.66, "end": 3997.588, "text": "We've really grappled with the placement of the cameras and recognizing that they're on high crash corridors where the majority of the high crash corridors are, which means that the people who are harmed once are harmed twice are harmed and so, um, figuring that out will 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against TUF-related revenues for SIP.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4069.922, "end": 4075.173, "text": "Because $2.9 million would support something like $27 million in bonds.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4075.221, "end": 4084.052, "text": "And then if we were to sort of front-load that work in that kind of a way, we could do more at once and then put up a big sign that says, brought to you by SIP.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4084.598, "end": 4089.752, "text": "And this is— and it's— and it's— these bonds are backed by this revenue that you are paying, by the way.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4090.234, "end": 4104.425, "text": "And so that's how this transportation utility fee translates into not walking in the mud and actually having a and so I don't, I don't know if you guys are working on a— with Jonas to sort of put together a bonding proposal for council, but I, I would really like to see that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4105.226, "end": 4106.957, "text": "There are conversations that are happening.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 4107.213, "end": 4115.337, "text": "I also know that the city administrator is particularly keen on figuring out how we can bond against some of the investments that are planned or being made.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 4115.401, "end": 4118.365, "text": "And so we look forward to being able to come back and talk about that more.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 4118.862, "end": 4119.535, "text": "All right, thanks so much.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 4119.727, "end": 4121.778, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 4122.115, "end": 4122.579, "text": "Great question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4123.512, "end": 4126.299, "text": "Now, I have quite a list, but they're short.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4127.894, "end": 4129.738, "text": "We have a pothole backlog.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4130.013, "end": 4133.038, "text": "I'm just wondering how you're prioritizing the potholes.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4133.864, "end": 4135.061, "text": "So we're going to be doing 2 things.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4135.303, "end": 4141.237, "text": "We're going to continue to take the reports that people provide for us on a daily basis.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4141.527, "end": 4149.579, "text": "And when those reports come in, the team's measure is to fill those potholes or fill the potholes within that area.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4150.068, "end": 4150.858, "text": "Within 30 days.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4151.052, "end": 4155.797, "text": "And so we are within the frame of— we are within the limits of doing that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4156.378, "end": 4165.273, "text": "But we also intend to, on a quarterly basis, pick a district— not pick a district, but go district by district.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4165.418, "end": 4166.082, "text": "I gotcha.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4167.118, "end": 4174.594, "text": "And we will do some targeting work, targeted work on areas where we know that there are particular challenges.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4175.15, "end": 4177.732, "text": "So it's going to be 2 things happening at one time.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4178.292, "end": 4179.352, "text": "Kind of like driving a stick.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4179.416, "end": 4194.557, "text": "We're going to continue to do the daily work that we're doing, but we're going to have some— I don't want to go so far as to call it pothole paloozas because that may turn my maintenance team— they may get a little upset with me when I say it.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4194.734, "end": 4203.132, "text": "But mini paloozas all around to make sure that people are seeing the thing that they're wanting to see.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4203.18, "end": 4203.308, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4205.011, "end": 4206.858, "text": "That's terrific.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4206.938, "end": 4209.748, "text": "I imagine you have quite a backlog though, quite a list.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4210.005, "end": 4214.501, "text": "We have a good number, but we also tick through quite a few on an annual basis.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4214.581, "end": 4215.047, "text": "Terrific.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4215.127, "end": 4216.267, "text": "That's so meaningful.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4216.652, "end": 4220.827, "text": "You know, I talked about pothole vigilantes, and I hope we can prevent that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4221.004, "end": 4223.492, "text": "We would like to prevent that, but I think—.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4223.557, "end": 4226.784, "text": "I don't think there's any in our district, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4227.266, "end": 4229.144, "text": "But I am interested in the idea of having a vigilante.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4229.228, "end": 4242.352, "text": "In the possibility in the future, you don't have to answer this, but just is there the possibility of some sort of neighborhood association training for painting the sidewalk, not sidewalk.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4242.401, "end": 4243.098, "text": "Vision clearance?", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4243.374, "end": 4244.573, "text": "Yeah, or any of that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4244.703, "end": 4245.725, "text": "Is there any potential?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4246.42, "end": 4250.65, "text": "Because I've got folks that want to go out and paint the stripes on their street.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4251.037, "end": 4252.038, "text": "You know, it's easy to do.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4252.264, "end": 4253.088, "text": "Can we train them?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4253.152, "end": 4253.863, "text": "Can we give them the right paint?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4255.203, "end": 4256.116, "text": "Is there a multiplier?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4256.789, "end": 4258.392, "text": "Is that a possibility to do a pilot?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 4258.648, "end": 4260.106, "text": "Sure, that is a possibility.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 4260.17, "end": 4266.26, "text": "We currently actually do work with an organization of volunteers that do some of that work with and for us.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 4266.66, "end": 4269.513, "text": "So we could look at how we could replicate that around the city.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 4270.25, "end": 4272.045, "text": "Obviously, that would allow us to do more.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 4272.653, "end": 4280.425, "text": "I hate to use the term do more with less, but it would help us to create the opportunity to do more with more, with more people.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 4280.778, "end": 4282.383, "text": "Can you send me a link to that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 4282.447, "end": 4287.759, "text": "Because I think we've got neighborhood associations that would just love to be engaged in that kind of activity.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 4287.904, "end": 4293.922, "text": "There are a number of ways that we could engage volunteers, and you and I, Councilor, have talked about volunteer engagement.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 4294.484, "end": 4303.599, "text": "It is a little bit more difficult with some of the work that we do based on the fact that it's often union-represented staff that are doing those types of things.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 4303.647, "end": 4312.14, "text": "So we have to be thoughtful about which areas of we can provide support for or take volunteer hours on.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 4312.594, "end": 4315.318, "text": "But I think we know that the volunteer hour is valuable.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 4315.99, "end": 4321.197, "text": "In the state of Oregon, volunteer hour right now is valued at about $35 per hour.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 4321.341, "end": 4330.614, "text": "So if you get a few folks together on a weekend or a weekday, we're making investments in our community in ways that people may not even realize by engaging that volunteer support.", "speaker": "Millicent 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"id": "cue-703", "start": 4354.993, "end": 4355.538, "text": "That is true.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4356.26, "end": 4365.686, "text": "A lot of the work that is being done is It's been identified because of its nexus with the need to create a safer environment for the traveling public.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4365.75, "end": 4368.788, "text": "And by traveling public, I mean however anyone is moving about the system.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4369.223, "end": 4378.195, "text": "So to suggest that it is not being invested in safety would be a bit of a fallacy.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4378.292, "end": 4383.188, "text": "I would share that we would classify— be able to classify much of our maintenance work as safety.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4383.334, "end": 4393.389, "text": "Not to make 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but, uh, sometimes, um, uh, that is a, a challenging definition to reach.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4424.003, "end": 4431.587, "text": "And so we are making sure that we're landing in the same space in terms of what maintenance means and what safety means and how we can, um, uh, separate out those buckets.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4431.636, "end": 4436.826, "text": "I'll share that I was in a conversation at the state level, uh, talking about maintenance maintenance, preservation, and safety.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4437.484, "end": 4446.854, "text": "And one of the things that I shared in that conversation was one person's preservation is another person's maintenance is another person's capital program.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4447.001, "end": 4461.149, "text": "So it's the meeting of the minds on the definitions, making sure we're articulating that clearly both to this body but also to the general public so that there is an understanding about what is happening and what is funding that work.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4461.402, "end": 4461.975, "text": "That's excellent.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4462.08, "end": 4464.276, "text": "Yeah, so we can certainly work on to do that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4464.596, "end": 4465.638, "text": "Couple more quick questions.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4466.216, "end": 4473.446, "text": "So I know that a lot of this work that you're doing that was in our request requires help from BTS.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4474.199, "end": 4480.227, "text": "And I'm just wondering, I know that, you know, with core realignment and they have a long priority list, if you're getting the help that you need.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4481.269, "end": 4492.416, "text": "We have, as we were asked to provide insight to BTS on what our priorities would be or needed to be, especially in the coming weeks and months.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4492.721, "end": 4498.001, "text": "We shared that the implementation of the TUF was something that we needed to make sure that they continued to focus on.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4498.419, "end": 4510.761, "text": "There are a number of other programs that we use on a daily basis that we're anticipating understanding how BTS will be able to provide the levels of support that are necessary to provide continuity of operation.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4511.195, "end": 4523.797, "text": "But we've been in direct conversation and in fact, I just heard from Director Rosenberg 2 days ago about connecting on Maximo, which is another system that we use, the work order system.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4524.119, "end": 4528.02, "text": "We also use eBuilder, which is a tool that BES also uses.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4528.678, "end": 4534.185, "text": "All of those are tools that we need to depend heavily on BTS to help to support.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4534.635, "end": 4535.823, "text": "And so we're in those conversations.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4535.871, "end": 4535.935, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4536.016, "end": 4550.338, "text": "And then of course GIS is another one that depending on the flavor of the work, it takes on many different forms, but we're working to make sure that they are well aligned with our needs and expectations.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4550.756, "end": 4566.716, "text": "And while we will probably need to come back to report about how the pace of some of the work has needed to adjust based on that centralization effort, know that we have made sure that they're aware of the importance.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4566.828, "end": 4567.599, "text": "And just let us know.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4571.951, "end": 4585.118, "text": "I want to go back to the question that Councilor Koyama Lane brought up, and in the context of Burnside, there's been a lot of pushback by some of our constituents on the work that you're planning to do.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4586.023, "end": 4592.999, "text": "And I know that on page 11 you talked about the level of complexity, and I just wondered, can you address that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4593.048, "end": 4593.114, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4593.402, "end": 4595.506, "text": "A little bit for us what's going on there?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4595.715, "end": 4602.831, "text": "I know it was a— it is a high-crash corridor, and there are definitely maintenance needs on Burnside.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4602.975, "end": 4604.63, "text": "So just, can you address it?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4604.951, "end": 4615.841, "text": "I certainly am happy to address it, and I'm going to not ask Gabe to take the weight of some of the choices, but he is the project manager for yet another— he was the project manager for 4th as well.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4615.905, "end": 4624.044, "text": "So he's pretty well adept at addressing really strong needs and opinions of community.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4624.622, "end": 4651.197, "text": "I will share that as we were looking at the landscape of the city and the needs citywide, there were a number of streets of significance, and I would not necessarily call it as— this one is a street of citywide significance, but some of the streets that we looked at that were in need of a touch based on where they are, what they carry, how they currently operate that needed some care.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4652.276, "end": 4657.369, "text": "The Burnside Bridge project was planned some years ago.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4657.774, "end": 4658.926, "text": "The funding for that fell through.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4658.991, "end": 4663.209, "text": "That was when we were going to work to do work on Burnside.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4663.355, "end": 4663.371, "text": "Oh.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4663.436, "end": 4684.236, "text": "Since that did not happen, we were looking at the need to figure out how we could address some of the needs, especially around not just the aesthetic, but the actual use of Burnside and the practicality of the use of Burnside, because it is a gateway to the city.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4684.925, "end": 4692.01, "text": "And if you drive it, if you walk along it, we recognize there are places where it's particularly wide, especially at the bridgehead.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4692.555, "end": 4696.45, "text": "There are places where the crossings are particularly challenging for pedestrians.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4697.123, "end": 4701.579, "text": "We recognize that circulation is a challenge all throughout that corridor.", "speaker": "Millicent 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"All of those things were things that we knew going in that we would need to think about.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4745.865, "end": 4760.431, "text": "And so Gabe and the team looked at a phased approach, and he worked with our maintenance folks as well to figure out the best ways to address the areas of greatest need, see where we had already made some investment, which is why the phasing is how it is.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4760.543, "end": 4763.256, "text": "There were some investments that were made, and again, Gabe can speak to some of that.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4763.753, "end": 4775.919, "text": "But it was buses stuck in ruts, people not being able to cross the street, people's heels getting stuck while they're trying to make crossings.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4776.994, "end": 4801.818, "text": "The businesses that are contributing so much to the brand of the city, sitting right in a space where the neglect that has been a symptom of under or lack of investment— Powell's being right there— it was an eyesore for us.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4802.092, "end": 4804.702, "text": "And so that was my challenge to the team.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4805.802, "end": 4813.28, "text": "Did we think about all of the full universe of ways that we might be able to reimagine the corridor?", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4814.05, "end": 4829.311, "text": "I will share that in the urgency to move, my request is that— was that we not forego, but that we phase it so that we could look at how we might be able to get to a better place on that corridor.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4829.793, "end": 4832.473, "text": "And so the 3 phases would be happening over the course of 3 years.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4832.521, "end": 4832.649, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4833.163, "end": 4838.836, "text": "Which does provide the opportunity for community input, for feedback, for recommendations.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4839.833, "end": 4851.795, "text": "Doing what we would imagine would be something that folks would desire in terms of bringing it to a certain level would require a significant level of investment, which, as we know, we do not have.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4852.231, "end": 4859.273, "text": "What we are fortunate in, though, is that there are alternatives on either side of Burnside that we have made investments in.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4859.402, "end": 4859.66, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4859.852, "end": 4864.829, "text": "Investments in for folks to be able to use, um, that aren't just car-centric.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4865.295, "end": 4874.303, "text": "Um, and so, uh, we want to be able to highlight that as well as, as we continue to think about how we're going to reimagine, uh, Burnside.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4874.704, "end": 4883.326, "text": "Well, I think I, I wasn't aware of the 3 phases, and I don't know that the public, um, that we've heard from in District 4 was, uh, aware of the phases.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4883.391, "end": 4894.161, "text": "So it would be helpful perhaps for Councilor Green and I to receive maybe some more information or an explanation of exactly why we're doing what we're doing now and not doing the full meal deal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4894.434, "end": 4897.435, "text": "That it is— if there's a plan for it phased in.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4897.499, "end": 4905.091, "text": "And I think it was germane too that you mentioned the bridge, how that kind of— the loss of funding for the bridge kind of changed, um, our trajectory.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4905.701, "end": 4912.842, "text": "So I think that would be helpful for at least us two and possibly for, um, the whole committee to hear I can share that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4912.906, "end": 4920.254, "text": "And there's some more analysis that has been planned based on some of the feedback that we've received.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4920.366, "end": 4926.11, "text": "We have received the letters and calls for pauses or other actions.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4926.238, "end": 4929.045, "text": "I don't know, Gabe, if there's anything else you'd like to share, if I covered it.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4929.815, "end": 4930.682, "text": "I think that was a pretty good summary.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4930.955, "end": 4946.086, "text": "The first phase of work is between 15th and 20th on West Burnside, and that segment we selected because as the Director noted, we've made a number of safety and crossing investments already at 18th and 19th and 15th and 16th.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4947.065, "end": 4954.431, "text": "Most of the corners of the corridor in that segment have been upgraded and are fully accessible and certified.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4954.961, "end": 4963.483, "text": "So it's the segment of West Burnside where the least additional work is needed in order to—.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4963.483, "end": 4963.659, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4968.43, "end": 4973.82, "text": "Well, just getting some sort of explanation spelled out for us would be really helpful for us to respond to our constituents.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4974.6, "end": 4979.74, "text": "So let me move on really quickly and just get heads up, colleagues.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4979.74, "end": 4985.85, "text": "I think I want to— when I'm done, I'll turn this over to Councilor Kanal, and then we'll take a break before we go on to the next issue.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4987.68, "end": 4989.26, "text": "Just one quick question.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4989.26, "end": 4991.161, "text": "Yeah, Quick I just wanted to make sure question, very painful.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { 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5022.113, "text": "What we might lose, the range of the dollars that we would lose if they change the formula.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 5022.161, "end": 5029.82, "text": "You don't have to answer that now, but I'm concerned about that, and it'll be on our legislative agenda that we don't want to have that change.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 5030.301, "end": 5032.87, "text": "If anything, it should change in our direction.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 5033.015, "end": 5037.029, "text": "But that's a real concern for me, and just a heads up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 5037.655, "end": 5042.19, "text": "I can just share, I mean, I think, yes, we've heard the conversation about potentially changing.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 5042.19, "end": 5043.7, "text": "I haven't heard yet.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 5044.09, "end": 5047.65, "text": "I mean, I hope that there is not a cities don't get anything.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 5047.73, "end": 5050.89, "text": "I think that there's been some conversation about changing the proportion.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 5051.05, "end": 5057.63, "text": "So there's sort of too many things to have done specific estimates, but it would be, as you know, very impactful.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 5057.63, "end": 5062.07, "text": "Certainly any amount that they reduce of our share will be very impactful.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 5062.19, "end": 5067.89, "text": "That still contributes a large amount towards our general transportation revenue.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 5067.89, "end": 5079.632, "text": "So continuing to see the state 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"This.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5124.64, "end": 5138.366, "text": "Um, but I want to make sure that I'm, I'm on the record as saying, you know, choosing to deliver this bill in a way that is easy and/or cheap for the city but harmful for our community's most vulnerable was not a policy decision that I thought I was voting on in April.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5138.527, "end": 5139.625, "text": "So I just want to put that on the record.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5139.674, "end": 5140.029, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5140.384, "end": 5143.421, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal, for that clarification.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5143.469, "end": 5144.149, "text": "I appreciate it.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5144.91, "end": 5148.81, "text": "Um, I don't think we have any other questions at this point.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5149.036, "end": 5152.021, "text": "Um, it's been a great great update, great conversation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5152.118, "end": 5153.556, "text": "Really appreciate the work that you're doing.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5153.653, "end": 5158.654, "text": "I know there's a lot more work to come, and we'll be really interested in hearing about it in September.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5158.785, "end": 5160.392, "text": "So thank you, thank you all again.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5161.94, "end": 5164.558, "text": "And with that, colleagues, let's take a 10-minute break.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5164.638, "end": 5168.097, "text": "When we come back at 11:01— I mean, yes, 11:01.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5168.178, "end": 5168.743, "text": "Yeah, just a bit.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5929.587, "end": 5931.262, "text": "Well, welcome back everyone.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5931.571, "end": 5932.856, "text": "Sorry we're a little late.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5934.592, "end": 5947.083, "text": "Um, Diana, can you please read the next item, item number 3, document number 2026-266, Automated Vehicles Rulemaking Update.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5948.713, "end": 5949.924, "text": "Thank you, Diana.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5950.489, "end": 5961.179, "text": "Um, colleagues, uh, we've been really eager to dig into the whole issue of automated vehicles, and we're going to get an update today on PBOT's rulemaking efforts.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5962.209, "end": 5966.03, "text": "And the public input that they've received throughout this process.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 5966.961, "end": 5980.85, "text": "Additionally, PBOT staff are going to be reviewing the regulatory pathways that we could pursue to ensure that automated vehicles operate safely and contribute their fair share towards our infrastructure.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 5981.653, "end": 5992.145, "text": "This is a good opportunity for us colleagues to learn about approaches that other jurisdictions have taken to regulate autonomous vehicles and what we can also learn from them.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 5993.714, "end": 5999.835, "text": "But it's important that we, our council, sets this regulatory framework to ensure the best outcome for the city.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 6000.972, "end": 6027.96, "text": "My goal, which I've shared with some of you, is to really take a unified approach to this work to the extent that we can and develop in consort with our colleagues at PBOT committee ordinances that we can move to the full council sometime this fall or before the end of the year in anticipation of the 2027 state legislative session, where we know this was an issue in this short session and is due to come back in January.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 6029.036, "end": 6032.424, "text": "So with that, I'll hand it off to Director Williams.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 6032.472, "end": 6033.179, "text": "Hello again.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 6033.596, "end": 6034.19, "text": "Fancy seeing you here.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 6034.255, "end": 6034.817, "text": "Welcome back.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 6035.218, "end": 6035.507, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 6035.925, "end": 6036.824, "text": "Thank you and your team.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 6037, "end": 6040.918, "text": "So thank you, Council Vice President Clark.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 6041.319, "end": 6045.926, "text": "For the record, my name is Millicent Williams, and I am the director of the Portland Bureau of Transportation.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 6046.536, "end": 6048.832, "text": "We are here today to discuss automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 6049.185, "end": 6055.815, "text": "This is a quickly evolving new technology that is already having a big impact in multiple cities across the country.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 6056.553, "end": 6070.636, "text": "The City of Portland began preparing for automated vehicles in 2017, but as you've heard from this team when they presented their draft proposal in February to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, much has changed since then, and the industry is expanding more quickly now.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 6071.729, "end": 6081.27, "text": "You'll hear today from PBOT staff who've been learning about the impacts of AVs from peer cities and have been working with staff from across our own city to consider a path forward.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 6082.01, "end": 6089.216, "text": "I want to thank you for your time and consideration this morning, and now I'll turn it over to PBOT Chief of Staff Shoshana Cohen to begin the presentation this morning.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 6090.95, "end": 6091.866, "text": "Thank you, Director Williams.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 6092.794, "end": 6095.203, "text": "Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 6095.267, "end": 6100.549, "text": "Again, for the record, my name is Shoshana Cohen and I'm the Chief of Staff for the Portland Bureau of Transportation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 6101.946, "end": 6103.744, "text": "Here we have the agenda for our presentation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 6104.419, "end": 6109.3, "text": "We'll first provide an overview of the strategy that we've been sort of taking so far around automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 6109.958, "end": 6117.905, "text": "We'll then move into an update on the administrative rulemaking process, including an overview of feedback received from Portlanders during our public comment period.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 6118.616, "end": 6127.847, "text": "And finally, we'll discuss a set of policy 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"speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 6218.558, "end": 6220.629, "text": "And I'll touch on that a little bit more in a couple slides.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 6221.73, "end": 6222.354, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 6225.406, "end": 6237.362, "text": "So the team before you today really sort of frequently deals with emerging technologies but I do want to emphasize that in the topic of automated vehicles, we're really on the leading edge here.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 6238.052, "end": 6242.673, "text": "There's no city in the country that is currently regulating for hire automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 6243.331, "end": 6248.85, "text": "And in fact, every city with an active deployment of AVs has been preempted by state legislation.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-879", 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6321.73, "end": 6323.769, "text": "And so we believe we should hold them to that standard.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 6323.817, "end": 6329.116, "text": "If we're gonna let them in, let's sort of make them prove that they're doing what they can say, what they're saying they're doing.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 6329.597, "end": 6334.495, "text": "So again, this is the approach that has been guiding the staff as we've put together some things for you to think about.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 6335.41, "end": 6336.052, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 6336.1, "end": 6336.405, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 6338.348, "end": 6344.016, "text": "So as mentioned, we've been spending a lot of time talking to other cities, learning from what's going on in other cities.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 6344.112, "end": 6351.321, "text": "And again, unfortunately, the other cities that we're learning from don't yet have the ability to develop and enforce their own regulations.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 6351.819, "end": 6355.014, "text": "There has been this sweeping trend towards statewide preemption.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 6355.608, "end": 6362.367, "text": "At least 16 other states have passed legislation that preempts cities or counties from setting their own AV regulations.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 6362.912, "end": 6374.069, "text": "This includes every city with current for-hire deployments, which initially included cities in California, Arizona, and Texas, and has now expanded to Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 6375.256, "end": 6386.429, "text": "So while speaking to peers in those cities, we've been learning about the significant challenges that they deal with on a daily basis from having for-hire AVs operate commercially without the ability to regulate them.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 6387.278, "end": 6398.74, "text": "We've heard the challenge of having limited, or in most cases no local ability to hold AV companies accountable for actions such as school buses with the stop arm extended or driving into flooded streets.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 6399.766, "end": 6405.521, "text": "And finally, these cities that have no regulatory control also are not receiving any data from the AV companies.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 6406.178, "end": 6413.825, "text": "That means they don't know how many trips are actually happening, they don't know where pickups and drop-offs are happening, and they just don't know how many AVs are on the road.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 6414.45, "end": 6420.157, "text": "It makes it really difficult then to plan for and sort of help regulate the impacts on the transportation system.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 6420.205, "end": 6420.445, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 6422.065, "end": 6422.675, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 6423.204, "end": 6428.496, "text": "So again, given what we're seeing in other states, we do remain concerned about the possibility of preemption here.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 6429.747, "end": 6442.321, "text": "As you already discussed in last year's legislative session, House Bill 4085 would have enabled automated vehicles and put all regulatory authority at the state level, completely preempting localities.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 6443.139, "end": 6446.09, "text": "And as you know, we had many concerns about this bill.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 6446.219, "end": 6449.795, "text": "It didn't adequately address the likely impacts on the transportation system.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 6450.517, "end": 6457.4, "text": "And while we all helped to ensure this bill didn't move forward last year, we do know that AV legislation is likely to resurface again.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 6458.395, "end": 6467.525, "text": "In fact, Waymo stated in their public feedback to our AV administrative rules that they look forward to seeing a successor bill approved in the 2027 session.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 6468.343, "end": 6486.525, "text": "So as the staff has been thinking about our local approach, we're definitely keeping that state conversation in mind and trying to figure out how what we do with regulations here can help and with that, I will turn it over to Jacob Sherman to begin with updates on the rulemaking process.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 6486.718, "end": 6488.676, "text": "Great, thanks, thanks so much, Shoshana.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 6489.431, "end": 6491.951, "text": "Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 6492.015, "end": 6497.762, "text": "For the record, my name is Jacob Sherman and I lead the city's work on emerging technology at the Portland Bureau of Transportation.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 6498.42, "end": 6508.515, "text": "Our team works on topics including electric vehicle car charging, zero-emission freight, the private-for-hire industry, shared micromobility, as well as next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 6509.509, "end": 6521.107, "text": "The draft administrative rules that we presented to City Council's Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on February 9th were built on policy direction from the city's Safe Automated Vehicle Initiative.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 6521.925, "end": 6533.859, "text": "As our team developed updates to these rules this past fall, we built them under the framework of City Code 1640, which, as was previously mentioned, regulates all of the private-for-hire transportation industry.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 6534.854, "end": 6548.208, "text": "As Shoshana mentioned, we talked with many peer cities in one-on-one conversations and through convenings by expert groups like NACDO, and we also coordinated closely with staff from across the city and some of the bureaus and teams that you see here.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 6548.754, "end": 6562.493, "text": "I actually want to pause for a second just to thank staff from across the city that have contributed to this work— our own policy team, our Vision Zero team, and to colleagues like Hannah, who will speak shortly, for her own leadership in this space.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 6563.299, "end": 6563.75, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 6565.342, "end": 6573.596, "text": "So this slide contains a summary of some of the details in the draft regulations that we discussed with you in February.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 6573.872, "end": 6576.992, "text": "These were the regulations that we put out for public comment.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 6577.47, "end": 6592.489, "text": "The existing draft included a requirement for companies to provide a testing of statement— a statement of testing and deployment experience that would disclose all reported crashes, injuries, and other incidents that have negatively impacted the transportation system.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 6593.197, "end": 6598.795, "text": "This will help ensure that we permit safe companies, not possible unsafe companies.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 6599.773, "end": 6603.671, "text": "Our existing proposal also requires the submission of a passenger safety plan.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 6604.264, "end": 6610.055, "text": "This would describe the main risks that passengers could face and the steps taken to mitigate those risks.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 6610.44, "end": 6628.906, "text": "This could include everything from how passengers should safely identify, enter, and exit the vehicle, and what passengers should do in the event of a crash or how they should respond under unsafe We would also require a first responder plan and hands-on training for first responders.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 6629.342, "end": 6643.015, "text": "The goal of this would be to ensure that first responders know how to respond to all types of scenarios with automated vehicles, from disengaging the automated vehicle driving system if needed to safely move an AV off the roadway or to other items.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 6643.534, "end": 6646, "text": "I think it's worth noting this is not controversial at all.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 6646.13, "end": 6648.288, "text": "This is something the AV companies are already doing in many cases.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 6648.422, "end": 6649.113, "text": "Other places.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 6650.285, "end": 6661.163, "text": "Our existing proposal also included a requirement that all for-hire automated vehicles be electric vehicles in order to submit— support our city's decarbonization goals.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 6661.838, "end": 6674.515, "text": "And finally, we also want to highlight our requirements to coordinate with us in order to receive data and information on road closures like for Sunday Parkways, the Portland Marathon, street fairs, or other emergency events.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 6677.91, "end": 6685.64, "text": "This is just a selection of the requirements from our draft rules.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 6685.64, "end": 6693.18, "text": "We also included key topics like liability, insurance, public outreach, accessible service, and more.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 6693.18, "end": 6704.56, "text": "And I also wanted to note that our liability requirements that we're thinking of have been developed kind of in partnership with the City Attorney, and we believe would give us fairly strong protections.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 6704.56, "end": 6704.6, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 6704.6, "end": 6704.64, "text": "Councilmember Herbold.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 6704.813, "end": 6705.751, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 6707.416, "end": 6715.099, "text": "So after we presented to the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee in February, we moved forward into a public comment period.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 6715.795, "end": 6727.301, "text": "To ensure that we gave Portlanders enough time to review the rules and provide feedback, we extended our traditional 30-day public comment period to just about 2 months.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 6727.912, "end": 6738.709, "text": "We sent notice of rulemaking and the public hearing to over 30,000 people on our email lists and posted it on multiple public sites, including in the newspaper as well.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 6739.27, "end": 6749.174, "text": "And consistent with our rulemaking process, we held a hybrid public hearing with— at the Portland Building, where people also had the option to attend virtually.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 6749.767, "end": 6759.189, "text": "We hosted a dedicated listening session with the private-for-hire industry, and we also presented at all of PBOT's modal committees and held one-on-one conversations with industry.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 6760.744, "end": 6761.272, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 6762.426, "end": 6766.319, "text": "During that process, we received over 220 comments from Portlanders.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 6767.056, "end": 6780.931, "text": "Our team— and again, many thanks to Hannah Morrison and Clark Goldenrod— then spent the next several weeks reviewing all of these comments and considering feedback and policy suggestions in order to ultimately develop a summary report.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 6781.636, "end": 6788.349, "text": "Some of the key themes that emerged from the comments helped inform some of these policy concepts that we want to talk with you about.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 6789.023, "end": 6798.7, "text": "In our summary report, the largest theme that we heard from the public was safety, with over 50% of all comments mentioning safety.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 6799.358, "end": 6813.143, "text": "Of those comments, 79% were concerned about the possible negative impacts of automated vehicles and suggested accountability measures like fines or safety reporting for transparency.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 6814.058, "end": 6827.793, "text": "The other 20% were excited about the opportunity of automated vehicles and the possible safety benefits, most often from their own past experiences riding in them in other markets.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 6828.194, "end": 6830.652, "text": "Jacob, can you repeat that one more time, how that broke down?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 6830.909, "end": 6839.537, "text": "Yeah, so, so of the 220 comments we received, over half of them, so over 110 comments, mentioned safety.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 6840.324, "end": 6847.512, "text": "And of those 110 comments, comments, about 80% mentioned concerns on safety.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 6847.593, "end": 6851.111, "text": "So that'd be what, 85 or 90 comments?", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 6851.45, "end": 6859.357, "text": "And then the remaining comments mentioned excitement about safety, having kind of mostly from their own personal experience with AVs in other markets.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 6861.668, "end": 6867.958, "text": "Many of the comments that we received, over 35%, mentioned concerns around accountability and enforcement.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 6868.564, "end": 6878.012, "text": "With questions on how automated vehicles would be ticketed and comments suggesting that AVs should be held to equal, if not higher, standards than human drivers.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 6878.928, "end": 6897.028, "text": "Another broad theme that emerged from the public feedback was the possible impact on jobs, with 34% of all comments mentioning concerns around labor impacts and suggestions ranging from protecting the remaining human private-for-hire drivers to supporting a just workforce transition.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 6898.182, "end": 6909.447, "text": "Finally, many comments highlighted concerns about how AVs could impact the transportation system through increased vehicle miles traveled, how it could impact other modes like transit, biking, and pedestrian.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 6909.96, "end": 6925.901, "text": "And there were suggestions given about how to mitigate this, including ensuring that AVs know how to yield to buses and will not block MAX tracks, to prohibiting pickup and drop-offs in and bicycle lanes, or establishing a per-mile fee to discourage miles driven without passengers.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 6926.8, "end": 6935.76, "text": "The full report is linked to in our slides and is available on our website and contains a lot of very detailed additional information about this.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 6936.868, "end": 6953.954, "text": "So moving forward, I'd next like to hand it over to Hannah Morrison, who's going to talk with you about some of our proposed policy concepts so that we can get your direction as we move forward with thinking about rules thank you, Jacob.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 6956.383, "end": 6959.343, "text": "Good morning, Council Vice President Clark and members of the committee.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 6959.841, "end": 6964.211, "text": "For the record, my name is Hannah Morrison and I'm a planner on the Mobility and Innovation section at PBOT.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 6965.098, "end": 6968.438, "text": "We have 7 policy concepts that we are hoping to get your feedback on today.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 6968.793, "end": 6972.156, "text": "I'm proposing to go over all 7 of them and then we will move to discussion.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 6974.64, "end": 6978.38, "text": "So our first policy proposal is to clearly define automated vehicle thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 6978.38, "end": 6978.38, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 6978.38, "end": 6979.4, "text": "I'm going to be talking about the proposed ordinance that would amend the rules for private-for-hire vehicles in private-for-hire code.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 6980.84, "end": 6992.92, "text": "ORS 221.495 clearly defines our ability to regulate private-for-hire transportation, and this is something the city has done for over 100 years, beginning with the regulation of jitneys in the early 1900s.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 6992.92, "end": 7000.07, "text": "So through Title 1640 of Portland City Code, which you've heard a lot about today, PBOT regulates a variety of private-for-hire transportation.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 7000.18, "end": 7014.479, "text": "This includes horse-drawn carriages, pedicabs, tour buses, shuttles, party buses, limousines, non-emergency medical transportation, taxis, transportation network companies like Uber and Lyft, and now the next evolution in private for hire of automated vehicles.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 7015.5, "end": 7024.911, "text": "The administrative rules that are regulating AVs that we've discussed today are already linked to Title 1640, and any code updates related to AVs we believe should go in this code as well.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 7028.28, "end": 7034.345, "text": "Our second policy concept for discussion is to establish the authority to set fleet caps for automated vehicles in city code.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 7035.611, "end": 7040.402, "text": "We believe that it would be stronger to establish this authority in city code rather than in administrative rules.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 7041.3, "end": 7049.328, "text": "And to be clear, we are not proposing to establish the actual fleet size and set a number in city code, just establish the authority to cap automated vehicle fleets.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 7050.369, "end": 7058.605, "text": "Under this proposal, the performance of a company during its testing phase would inform their initial fleet size, and testing itself would also be done with a limited fleet.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 7060.005, "end": 7065.576, "text": "Once a company graduates from a testing permit to a for-hire permit, an initial fleet cap has been established.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 7066.107, "end": 7071.813, "text": "The city would conduct an annual analysis on operations and safety of that fleet to inform fleet cap changes.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 7073.233, "end": 7079.357, "text": "Setting a cap on automated for-hire vehicles will help us safely manage this change to our streets and to the greater for-hire industry.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 7082.546, "end": 7084.91, "text": "Next, I'd like to discuss defining testing permit metrics.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 7086.034, "end": 7091.758, "text": "Under our proposed framework, every AV company would be required to begin local operations with a testing permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 7092.207, "end": 7099.391, "text": "This would ensure that they prove their technology can navigate unique aspects of Portland streets before beginning to offer paid rides through a for-hire permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 7100.385, "end": 7109.654, "text": "Under this proposal, all companies would be required to log 50,000 miles across their entire fleet with a testing permit before becoming eligible to apply for that for-hire permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 7109.782, "end": 7122.438, "text": "And I want to highlight that this mileage requirement is just one piece of our permitting structure, so companies would have to complete those 50,000 miles while complying with all of our other safety and operational— excuse me, safety and operational requirements.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 7123.27, "end": 7138.966, "text": "The 50,000 miles driven with a testing permit aligns with California Public Utility Commission statewide requirements, and we believe could strike the right balance between enough miles driven to prove that they can safely navigate our streets and not too many miles driven that we are encouraging empty vehicle miles traveled.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 7140.758, "end": 7142.008, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 7143.891, "end": 7147.052, "text": "Next, I'd like to share our proposal around metrics for permit suspension.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 7148.207, "end": 7155.555, "text": "These metrics were informed by the claims that you've already heard mentioned today from— that automated vehicle companies are making that they are safer than human drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 7156.228, "end": 7163.127, "text": "In fact, Waymo's homepage currently states that the Waymo software, or the Waymo driver, is over 10 times safer than the average human driver.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 7164.089, "end": 7169.593, "text": "Well, we have a standard for permitting human private-for-hire drivers in the city to ensure that we're permitting safe drivers.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 7170.187, "end": 7173.318, "text": "And here we propose holding the robotaxis to that same standard.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 7174.345, "end": 7187.464, "text": "One key difference is that since the AV companies treat their software as a singular driver, this proposal would consider violations by any car within one company's fleet as accumulating to the same driver because it's using the same software.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 7188.491, "end": 7201.886, "text": "For example, under this proposal, if 2 separate vehicles within one company's fleet were to get traffic violations, That would count as 2 traffic violations for that company's singular AV driver and would be grounds for suspending that company's permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 7202.848, "end": 7214.149, "text": "And just to make sure it's clear, these metrics of 2 traffic violations in 1 year or violating the expectation of operating in a safe manner are the same standards to which existing private-for-hire drivers are already held.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 7215.095, "end": 7220.657, "text": "I'd also like to point out the degree to which this differs from the language from last year's unsuccessful House Bill 4085.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 7221.668, "end": 7227.908, "text": "In that bill, there were only 2 ways that the state would revoke an AV company's— suspend or revoke an AV company's permit.", "speaker": "Hannah Morrison" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 7228.422, "end": 7239.299, "text": "First, if the automated vehicle was found to not be in safe operational condition, or second, if their operations created substantial 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we'd like to hear your thoughts on, is to explore defining loading and unloading in private-for-hire code to limit AV stopping in bicycle lanes.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 7353.309, "end": 7356.729, "text": "One way to do this would be to put a time limit on those loading and unloading activities.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 7357.608, "end": 7366.044, "text": "I'd also like to point out, if this definition was added to private-for-hire code, then it would apply to all types of private-for-hire trips, from AVs to taxis and TNCs.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 7370.134, "end": 7376.1, "text": "The next policy concept focuses on exploring limitations on the sale, sharing, or transferring of data collected by AVs.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 7377.248, "end": 7380.626, "text": "AVs collect data both inside and outside of their vehicles.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 7381.063, "end": 7391.088, "text": "They use LiDAR, radar, 360-degree video and audio data use of this robust sensor array is crucial for their safe operations.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 7391.473, "end": 7400.109, "text": "For example, using radar allows the AV to cut through heavy rain, snow, or fog in order to track pedestrians, vehicles, or other hazards at far distances.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 7400.784, "end": 7408.938, "text": "And so while we understand the need for this data for safe operations, we also believe it's important to have a conversation about what else this data is used for and where it goes.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 7410.014, "end": 7412.326, "text": "We have begun to work with the City Data and Privacy Office to develop a framework for how this data is used.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 7412.583, "end": 7425.181, "text": "To ensure that any regulations here would be consistent with related city policies on surveillance and policy, such as City Code Title 34 that prohibits the use of facial recognition by private entities in places of public accommodation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 7426.197, "end": 7432.943, "text": "On this topic, we would like to discuss limitations around selling, sharing, or transferring data from our streets that we can add to our administrative rule.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 7435.935, "end": 7438.688, "text": "And this is the final policy concept before we move to discussion.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 7439.983, "end": 7446.2, "text": "Under our current proposal, AVs are subject to the same fees as TNCs, including all permit and per-trip fees.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 7446.937, "end": 7450.927, "text": "Another area where we think a fee may be appropriate is around workforce transition.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 7451.583, "end": 7461.63, "text": "A third of the comments that we received during the public comment period for this administrative rule were related to labor, as you heard from Jacob, and it is undeniable that there will be workforce impact with the introduction of AVs.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 7462.559, "end": 7474.945, "text": "A workforce transition fee could provide funds for things like job training, job placement, or other we know this council just passed the Driver's Resource Center ordinance, and there may be a way to connect workforce transition activities to that new center.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 7476.006, "end": 7485.034, "text": "And finally, we 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"Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 7532.59, "end": 7535.407, "text": "So that concludes our presentation, and we're looking forward to hearing your feedback.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 7537.43, "end": 7543.768, "text": "Thank you all very much for the work that you've done to date and for outlining some policy options for us.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 7544.253, "end": 7550.952, "text": "I know we have a lot of questions and a lot of concerns about so let's start with Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 7553.914, "end": 7555.667, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 7556.953, "end": 7559.865, "text": "Thank you, team, for the work on this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 7560.186, "end": 7561.119, "text": "It's been much anticipated.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { 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see that in here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 7704.252, "end": 7715.11, "text": "And so we were wanting to kind of move kind of quickly on a very sort of tight code change in this TNC code, understanding that that's not nearly sufficient enough.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 7715.191, "end": 7718.217, "text": "And it was about really making sure you have a Vision Zero compliance piece.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 7719.313, "end": 7727.799, "text": "But I'm seeing that language kind of already on the slide, which tells me that you're incorporating some of the things that we've already been talking to you guys about behind the scenes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 7728.343, "end": 7755.64, "text": "I think for my part, I think that if you cannot meet the basic bar of respecting our Vision Zero framework and not abusing the kind of preemption, which by the way is deeply troubling to me, maybe we want to take that up with the state legislation that like we need to tighten up what that language means because people camping in the bike lane with the hazards on for 15 minutes is unacceptable.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 7755.881, "end": 7757.069, "text": "It happens to me all the time.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 7757.166, "end": 7765.727, "text": "I ride my bike to and from work all the time, and I see, um, you know, I see folks just waiting there and waiting with hazards on.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 7766.224, "end": 7775.042, "text": "Uh, if, if we expect that to be a Waymo outcome, that, that's going to doubly enrage me because at least someone's not getting paid for that work, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 7775.492, "end": 7777.933, "text": "So, um, anyway, I'm rambling.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 7778.672, "end": 7780.31, "text": "The point I'm trying to make thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 7780.535, "end": 7794.183, "text": "So all of this Vision Zero work rests on a scaffolding of commitment to make sure every opportunity we're kind of tweaking or turning our dials to kind of go towards enabling the outcomes that we want.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 7794.344, "end": 7796.367, "text": "And so I support this broad framework.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 7797.635, "end": 7805.36, "text": "I think this— the claims to safety are grounded in this idea that you completely replace your fleet with autonomous vehicles, and then at that Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 7805.424, "end": 7813.519, "text": "And then at that point, you get scale benefits of safety, but that's not ever going to happen because people are never going to just 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"text": "And I think fall timeline makes a lot of sense.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 7878.276, "end": 7881.719, "text": "So I probably have more to say later, but I'll—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 7881.719, "end": 7882.025, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 7882.617, "end": 7884.384, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 7884.464, "end": 7885.878, "text": "I really appreciate those comments.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 7886.151, "end": 7887.693, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 7887.853, "end": 7888.817, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 7889.122, "end": 7893.041, "text": "I'm a little confused by something I heard early on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 7894.198, "end": 7904.285, "text": "Shoshana, I think you said what we heard from you all last time, and I think someone else mentioned February in the context of hearing we want to take an approach that sets a really high bar with operational standards.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 7904.558, "end": 7905.072, "text": "When was this?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 7905.554, "end": 7907.594, "text": "So, yeah, thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 7907.674, "end": 7913.81, "text": "I realize this was the previous iteration of this committee when it was the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 7913.89, "end": 7918.211, "text": "So we would be happy to give you some more background if that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 7918.709, "end": 7926.322, "text": "Yeah, our committee started April 14th, and at that, you know, previous time to that, a quarter of the city was not represented here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 7926.868, "end": 7933.197, "text": "And so, and I just wanna, since it's my first time, I guess, to be able to express it, that is not my opinion.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 7933.309, "end": 7939.288, "text": "The approach I wanna take is a categorical ban and a full-press OGR effort at the state against preemption.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 7939.497, "end": 7943.436, "text": "I'd like to have code that simply says all vehicles require a human driver.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 7944.503, "end": 7945.275, "text": "It would take 6 words.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 7946.78, "end": 7951.019, "text": "Um, I'm also concerned that the— appears there's a thumb on the scale here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 7951.083, "end": 7955.549, "text": "I, I mean, there's marketing materials and city presentations, uh, which is concerning to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 7955.63, "end": 7958.671, "text": "On slide 14, we've got their slogans and stuff here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 7958.866, "end": 7959.611, "text": "Um, I, I'm thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 7959.725, "end": 7960.875, "text": "I'm concerned about that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 7960.939, "end": 7964.761, "text": "And you can go to slide 14 if you'd like.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 7970.246, "end": 7976.677, "text": "Waymo coming would require more training for PPB and emergency responders broadly on how to interact with driverless vehicles.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 7977.727, "end": 7984.837, "text": "As of right now, Waymo permitting costs, or any autonomous vehicles, I think the current plan is $500.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 7984.98, "end": 7985.38, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 7985.38, "end": 7985.38, "text": "I have a question for Deputy City Attorney Nancy Thorington.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 7985.38, "end": 7987.23, "text": "The proposed funding for this program is $1 million, which is way too low, by the way.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 7987.52, "end": 7990.8, "text": "It's not supplanting general fund dollars for public safety trainings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 7991, "end": 8000.17, "text": "Overtime and training pay is expensive, and the need for the training is being caused by a technology that's not— the companies that are pushing are not paying for.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 8000.5, "end": 8006.1, "text": "Additionally, I believe Jacoby said requiring training for first responders.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 8006.1, "end": 8006.96, "text": "I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 8006.96, "end": 8010.48, "text": "Has any discussion occurred related to bargaining about required training?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 8012.208, "end": 8015.798, "text": "Sorry, Councilor Kanal, I didn't quite hear the last part of your question.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 8016.391, "end": 8024.611, "text": "Has any conversation happened in the bargaining context as it relates to represented workers and required trainings?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 8025.525, "end": 8027.079, "text": "No, not that I'm aware of.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 8027.127, "end": 8036.229, "text": "We have started conversations with Portland Police Bureau about like what these kinds of— this kind of training could look like, but we haven't gotten into a conversation on bargaining.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 8036.999, "end": 8037.159, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 8038.17, "end": 8041.489, "text": "I'm switching gears to the data side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 8041.553, "end": 8047.535, "text": "I agree with everything Councilor Green said, and, you know, we don't know broadly what these companies do with the data they collect.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 8047.583, "end": 8054.141, "text": "And so another reason we shouldn't have them here is that they're not being required to share all their data as a stipulation of operating in Portland.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 8054.221, "end": 8057.637, "text": "I'm also concerned about the use of the word limitation on selling.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 8057.91, "end": 8061.71, "text": "What limits do that bans do not is allow some, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 8061.919, "end": 8062.48, "text": "Ban means none.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 8062.528, "end": 8062.993, "text": "Limitation means some.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 8063.041, "end": 8063.185, "text": "I agree.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 8063.843, "end": 8068.109, "text": "Could mean we're restricting it by 1% and 99% of it's okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 8068.83, "end": 8072.583, "text": "So what I'm curious is what's the sum that's being proposed to be allowed?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 8073.529, "end": 8075.983, "text": "And I have significant concerns about that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 8076.031, "end": 8087.626, "text": "I think our existing rules, compliance with them is vital, and they are itself not enough, which is why we started the conversation about data privacy and governance at council in previous legislation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 8088.219, "end": 8096.118, "text": "Waymo does not currently receive We capture the cost to society in terms of environmental impacts of data center usage of both electricity and water.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 8096.166, "end": 8098.96, "text": "I don't believe that we can account for that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 8100.1, "end": 8112.158, "text": "So instead of— I guess broadly speaking here, I'm concerned about the approach of trying to either regulate something that just should not be allowed or use regulations to sort of backdoor a ban when we could just ban it with 6 words.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 8113.17, "end": 8114.39, "text": "It might need more than 6, I understand that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 8114.454, "end": 8114.631, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 8114.76, "end": 8116.768, "text": "I'm, I'm being rhetorically 6 words.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 8117.025, "end": 8122.44, "text": "Uh, Jacob, you mentioned that we've heard from 220 people so far.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 8122.505, "end": 8124.581, "text": "Was any outreach done in District 2?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 8126.279, "end": 8131.033, "text": "Our, um, outreach was, uh, we didn't do any physical outreach in District 2.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 8131.615, "end": 8140.419, "text": "Um, you know, again, we kind of marketed this very broadly, went to all of our committees— bicycle, pedestrian, freight, um, advisory committee.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 8140.484, "end": 8148.357, "text": "I'm sure some of those stakeholders well, and it was sent out to 30,000 people throughout.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 8148.405, "end": 8158.874, "text": "We did sort of the standard administrative rulemaking outreach, plus I think knowing this was something that people were really interested in, we did send, I think, more emails.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 8159.701, "end": 8163.008, "text": "We extended the time, I think, twice as long as typical.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 8164.035, "end": 8198.454, "text": "So we didn't go out to a lot of places, but we did, I think, what we would consider robust outreach for So I recognize that, that the primary responsibility for engagement is no longer going to be with the bureaus, so I'm not putting this on you, but I do want to ask, what is the takeaway from the idea that time was extended, more emails were sent— 30,000 emails, you said— and that 220 people responded in the context where this may be a high-profile high engagement, high interest item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 8199.311, "end": 8208.845, "text": "What, what, what, uh, was a conclusion drawn by the level of participation, if any, by PBOT?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 8208.974, "end": 8210.157, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councilor.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 8210.238, "end": 8227.185, "text": "I don't know that a conclusion was drawn other than, um, uh, perhaps people, um, aren't seeing the urgency and don't know the potential imminence of, uh, This type of tool being employed in the city potentially.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 8227.845, "end": 8241.657, "text": "I would imagine that if we were to go back again, perhaps even changing the way that we introduced the survey, if we did some personal district-by-district outreach, perhaps we would have a different outcome.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 8243.42, "end": 8258.12, "text": "But I don't know that we can draw definitive conclusions on what that's saying other than that 29,800 people chose not to comment.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 8258.266, "end": 8258.379, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 8258.557, "end": 8268.548, "text": "And to be clear, I, again, I think this is probably something that we need to reach out to the citywide engagement team on to provide support and not count on PBOT doing it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 8268.756, "end": 8269.11, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 8269.222, "end": 8269.576, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 8269.656, "end": 8272.436, "text": "But I want, and I also want to offer to assist in that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 8272.693, "end": 8274.211, "text": "I know they have capacity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 8274.33, "end": 8287.413, "text": "I think there's capacity concerns too, but we— I don't think we can make a wholesale change to a very significant— the place where I think Portlanders interact the most with the city, that they know they're interacting with the city, is in transportation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 8287.75, "end": 8292.647, "text": "I would put water and sewer on there too, but it's not always known which is private, which is not.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 8293.867, "end": 8300.994, "text": "And so if we're changing that front end of people's interaction with the city significantly, I think it does require more there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 8301.091, "end": 8301.187, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 8302.442, "end": 8303.319, "text": "2 final questions.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 8303.416, "end": 8311.506, "text": "One, the bike lane thing that you cited, a state law, do we know if that establishes a floor or if it is itself preemption?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 8311.956, "end": 8319.121, "text": "Like, just because they exempted it, does that mean that we can't provide legislation that— and I don't know if you asked the lawyers already on that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 8319.443, "end": 8325.111, "text": "I believe that we can double-check, but that is our understanding, is that that does prevent us.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 8325.803, "end": 8327.429, "text": "But we can follow up again and double-check.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 8328.112, "end": 8328.338, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 8328.597, "end": 8330.63, "text": "Yeah, that's another concern.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 8330.678, "end": 8332.001, "text": "I agree with everything there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 8332.534, "end": 8342.801, "text": "We currently have Amazon, UPS, all sorts of delivery vehicles blocking driver lanes, bike lanes all over the place, and we've shown an inability to deal with that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 8342.93, "end": 8348.176, "text": "The idea of having a fleet of additional vehicles doing it is pretty concerning to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 8348.664, "end": 8360.633, "text": "I routinely get stopped between driving around here in downtown while one lane is going and I can't get over because I'm stuck behind a vehicle that's just stopped illegally, I should note.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 8361.99, "end": 8373.285, "text": "Last thing I wanted to mention is in the context of labor, you know, this is a new generation of tech bro companies here, but previous ones have developed a model that they call disrupting to the taxi industry.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 8373.998, "end": 8378.521, "text": "And the taxi industry has its limitations, of course, but they did it by creating TNCs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 8378.603, "end": 8378.716, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 8379.588, "end": 8381.096, "text": "And in parallel, I lived in New York.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 8381.144, "end": 8387.369, "text": "They developed an app that let you hail a licensed medallion taxi there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 8388.171, "end": 8395.374, "text": "What TNCs did that was different is they also added the second thing of making drivers, instead of being employees, independent contractors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 8396.273, "end": 8400.717, "text": "And that took away labor protections.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 8400.781, "end": 8409.986, "text": "It took away benefits from a workforce that is largely Black and brown men, and now we're talking about that wasn't good enough.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 8410.883, "end": 8421.159, "text": "The only way to extract further profit is by putting that workforce, which remains primarily Black and brown men, out of business entirely, out of a job entirely.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 8422.249, "end": 8424.526, "text": "That alone, to me, would be enough for a ban.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 8424.75, "end": 8426.321, "text": "We do not have the capacity.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 8426.995, "end": 8427.684, "text": "We don't have the money.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 8428.197, "end": 8430.265, "text": "We don't have $500 for a.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 8430.602, "end": 8439.403, "text": "Permit or whatever is not going to cover the cost of a just transition for one driver, let alone, you know, the hundreds and thousands that we have.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 8440.062, "end": 8450.662, "text": "And so I am concerned that we are accepting the premise that this is going to happen instead of fighting as hard as we possibly can against it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 8451.466, "end": 8472.326, "text": "Um, and we might lose, but it won't be because we didn't stand up for people in our city, and it won't be because we didn't stand up for our environment or our data privacy or our budget in the context of ensuring payments for, uh, that, that supplant general fund dollars on trainings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 8472.744, "end": 8475.538, "text": "And it won't be because we didn't care about safety.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 8475.731, "end": 8478.188, "text": "It'll be because we tried and we failed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 8478.236, "end": 8480.083, "text": "And I am okay with that as long as we try.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 8480.709, "end": 8480.95, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Gabe Graff" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 8481.913, "end": 8483.503, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 8483.567, "end": 8484.129, "text": "I appreciate your comments.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 8484.21, "end": 8485.269, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith, for those comments.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 8485.366, "end": 8492.816, "text": "I'm going to ask a few questions before I turn it back over to Councilor Green, and I don't see Councilor Koyama Lane's hand up yet.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 8493.474, "end": 8508.246, "text": "Just a couple quick questions related— when there are closures or special events, I've noticed that my GIS or whatever it is on my phone doesn't catch up either.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 8508.953, "end": 8509.611, "text": "That's a problem.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 8509.935, "end": 8514.899, "text": "Just, I don't know if you guys have noticed that when you're going places, that doesn't work either.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 8517.22, "end": 8522.505, "text": "Let's see, on the fee concept, I think I really appreciate your adding that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 8522.553, "end": 8526.966, "text": "I think that was at my request in a meeting that we charge for something.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 8527.625, "end": 8533.991, "text": "And you're right, the workforce impact fee is really not great enough, but I think we should also consider a transit impact fee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 8534.071, "end": 8534.135, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 8535.335, "end": 8536.485, "text": "Just throw that out there.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 8538.565, "end": 8543.279, "text": "Um, and I know you, you are already speaking with the public safety community.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 8543.73, "end": 8546.116, "text": "Um, sounds like already working with them.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 8546.244, "end": 8552.838, "text": "I just bumped into a firefighter here earlier today and said we were talking about this issue today, and he expressed grave concern.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 8553.51, "end": 8555.389, "text": "So I'm, um, appreciate that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 8556.576, "end": 8571.456, "text": "Um, I'd like to call up Derek from OGR and ask him a couple of questions, and I knew you may wish to as well.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 8574.117, "end": 8585.257, "text": "Thanks for being here today, and thank you for your work last session in trying to impact the preemption bill that was floated during the 30-day session.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 8587.74, "end": 8600.971, "text": "You know, I spent a part of my career trying to stop preemptions, working with a governor who was willing to do that, who was willing to not preempt cities, at least on revenue-raising issues and on mandates with no money.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 8601.164, "end": 8602.737, "text": "We had an agreement to do that.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 8603.251, "end": 8605.065, "text": "That kind of went away with the next governor.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 8606.446, "end": 8623.261, "text": "And I guess I just wanted to hear you, Derek, talk about what you're— what you think might happen next session in January, this bill, whatever it was, I don't remember who the sponsors were, maybe you can share that as well, is going to be reintroduced in, I would imagine, the same format.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 8623.862, "end": 8629.336, "text": "Can you just talk a little bit about that experience with us and what you foresee in the future?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 8631.315, "end": 8631.902, "text": "Certainly.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 8632.26, "end": 8641.145, "text": "Chair Clark, members of the committee, for the record, my name's Derek Bradley, he/him, state legislative— State regional coordinator for the City of Portland.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 8641.892, "end": 8643.257, "text": "Relations coordinator, sorry.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 8645.536, "end": 8650.4, "text": "It's a little bit of a cloudy crystal ball at the moment.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 8651.44, "end": 8666.756, "text": "There is certainly some amount of, I would say, passion in the legislature about creating a statewide AV system that would have certainly some amount of preemption.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 8668.564, "end": 8672.019, "text": "The amount or where that lands on the gauge is an active conversation.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 8673.25, "end": 8699.851, "text": "There is, however, a lot going on and building up to come forward next legislative session, not just about transportation, which will have another attempt at a package, but serious questions about managing the impacts of HR 1 at the state, and there's, I think, some uncertainty about capacity for some of these.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 8699.9, "end": 8700.847, "text": "And what was HR 1?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 8701.457, "end": 8701.842, "text": "Is that right?", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 8702.099, "end": 8702.372, "text": "HR 1?", "speaker": "Millicent Williams" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 8702.966, "end": 8703.48, "text": "The federal—.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 8703.833, "end": 8704.074, "text": "Oh, that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 8704.235, "end": 8704.957, "text": "Yes, yes.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 8706.001, "end": 8714.142, "text": "Um, sorry, the federal transfer of public wealth to not the public.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 8714.993, "end": 8723.757, "text": "Um, And so I think there's a very real opportunity, chance that something returns.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 8724.649, "end": 8736.536, "text": "I believe there was enough communication with legislators that we're not gonna see an exact replica of the previous bill.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 8736.828, "end": 8747.233, "text": "But again, how far along they, what position they start from, how willing they are to consider Um, local impacts is very— it's difficult to tell at this moment in time.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 8747.97, "end": 8770.45, "text": "One thing that I do think I should emphasize for consideration is we have jurisdictional partners that are interested in the outcome of a statewide preemptive system, but I do believe they largely view this as a— this will impact the city of Portland first and maybe thank you.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 8770.45, "end": 8770.45, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 8770.45, "end": 8781.08, "text": "I think that this is probably only for a while, and we have a very serious and large agenda and transportation agenda already bubbling.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 8782.01, "end": 8789.75, "text": "So when there are moments— and again, I hesitate to even put this because I don't want to speak for my colleagues that are lobbying for other jurisdictions.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 8789.89, "end": 8793.25, "text": "I don't want to speak for legislators that haven't decided what they're going to pursue next year or how.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 8793.71, "end": 8798.55, "text": "But I think there's risks involved with wherever the city lands.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 8798.58, "end": 8817.258, "text": "Bans, wherever this— however far on the dial, as you move further and further or all the way to a ban or tighter or tighter regulations, there will be a reaction from not just the company but from people that are believers in Salem that this is a technology that should be embraced.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 8817.949, "end": 8824.149, "text": "And that will create risks of preemptive language being introduced and garnering support.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 8824.373, "end": 8838.427, "text": "And So I think you have— I will offer a worst-case scenario and a best-case scenario and put, you know, for your consideration as how you want to pursue in your deliberations.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 8838.556, "end": 8846.444, "text": "I think worst-case scenario is that the city implements a ban or a highly restrictive framework.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 8847.394, "end": 8854.532, "text": "It creates a large upswell of interest and passion in Salem to make a statewide framework.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 8855.368, "end": 8868.409, "text": "There is a lot of interest among the pro-AV community while other jurisdictional partners have a very substantial amount of workload and can't participate as much as they might on a thing that directly impacts them immediately.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 8869.566, "end": 8880.163, "text": "And it's a very difficult, if not impossible, uphill struggle to stop a package from moving forward that is not exactly— that is not what the city is particularly interested in.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 8880.425, "end": 8888.237, "text": "All the way on the other end, best case scenario, Uh, council considers, deliberates, and passes the AV either ban or framework that works best for them.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 8889.072, "end": 8911.912, "text": "Um, there is some upsetness from for-profit corporations that stand to make money off of this, but it falls upon deaf ears as legislators have other things going on and other jurisdictions and partners come in and say this would be terrible and we think we should give Portland a shot to see how this pans out.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 8912.944, "end": 8925.363, "text": "It is a large— I acknowledge it is a very large, like, point A to point B is very far apart from one another, and how the reactions might play out, it's difficult to say.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 8925.589, "end": 8929.77, "text": "And so I do apologize I don't have a better sense to offer.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 8930.271, "end": 8938.225, "text": "Uh, I do think there was some very good, like, education and discussion with legislators in this year's legislative session.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 8939.241, "end": 8951.199, "text": "I think there was an initial belief that we had to hurry up and go down in Salem on this, and I think there was, there was clearly some success in slowing it down.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 8952.453, "end": 8959.388, "text": "How well that translates into action next year is unfortunately beyond my current ability to predict.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 8960.249, "end": 8962.044, "text": "Well, thanks for that anyway.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 8962.988, "end": 8965.734, "text": "I appreciate your thoughts.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 8966.601, "end": 8975.336, "text": "I never found the Portland delegation, even maybe the regional delegation, very interested in transportation, frankly.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 8975.448, "end": 8983.573, "text": "I mean, maybe they're more interested now, but I thought that the sponsors of the preemption legislation were from the metropolitan area.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 8983.621, "end": 8984.44, "text": "Is that right?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 8985.628, "end": 9011.465, "text": "The and I think too, I want to— yes, but it is someone that opened the conversation saying, you know, I want to engage with the City of Portland and make sure we get this right, but I want to— I want a statewide framework, and I want a statewide framework that works for local jurisdictions and for the AVs to come in and operate.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 9012.583, "end": 9015.239, "text": "And that was from a representative in the metropolitan area.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 9015.988, "end": 9030.278, "text": "Who I think considering their level of interest in pursuing an updated version next year, I think she's— last I spoke to her last month, she's still working through her options and her 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"text": "Councilor Koyama Lane, I think in many ways kind of the, the the package of concepts that we're thinking about kind of working in concert with one another is where I think we see probably the most synergistic benefit.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 9288.303, "end": 9315.327, "text": "So if you were employing something like a just transition fee in concert with a fleet cap that kept things relatively small for an extended period of time while we saw this start to roll out on the streets alongside high standards that hold the AV companies to their claim that they're safer than human drivers.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 9316.409, "end": 9321.672, "text": "I think it's kind of the combination of all of those things that we think would probably be the most protective.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 9321.72, "end": 9325.086, "text": "There's probably some additional strategies we could 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"speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 9387.314, "end": 9398.12, "text": "We could have a small fleet that exists on our street just to offer this alternative for people who really think that it's another good alternative and really keep it there for a while depending.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 9398.168, "end": 9411.109, "text": "I mean, I think there's just a variety of ways that we could address the concerns if that seems like the thing to do rather than sort of letting what seems likely at some point for the state to take over.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 9411.157, "end": 9413.244, "text": "We might be able to push that off for a while.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 9413.293, "end": 9413.437, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 9414.129, "end": 9420.59, "text": "Um, but, you know, at some point it is likely that, um, the, the state conversation will continue.", "speaker": "Shoshana Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 9421.218, "end": 9427.358, "text": "This is really the, the favorite, favorite pastime of lobbyists— speculation.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 9428.428, "end": 9430.861, "text": "Um, uh, thank you for that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 9430.959, "end": 9432.219, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 9432.332, "end": 9433.027, "text": "Councilor Green?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 9434.577, "end": 9435.886, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 9436.031, "end": 9454.197, "text": "Um, you know, I— what's challenging about this specific one, and it's not even about the topic, it's about the committee itself, is I think there's a shared interest that we all— everyone on 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"cue-1351", "start": 9490.237, "end": 9498.636, "text": "I'm grateful for the Councilor Kanal kind of laid out a different position because that's, that's frankly much closer to my position.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1352", "start": 9498.989, "end": 9506.985, "text": "But I wasn't really prepared to say, you know, we must kill all the robots today, you know, which is not exactly what you said, but that's a meme.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1353", "start": 9507.579, "end": 9509.265, "text": "Next in the queue.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1354", "start": 9510.052, "end": 9522.486, "text": "So I guess what I'm just trying to telegraph here is we either need to sort of flesh this all out up here over the course of the next few committee meetings, or be prepared to have multiple proposals come forward.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1355", "start": 9523.74, "end": 9523.95, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1356", "start": 9523.999, "end": 9527.015, "text": "And then just debate 'em up and down and amend 'em as we normally do.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1357", "start": 9527.502, "end": 9531.848, "text": "But I wanna respect that you wanted to pull us together and have this unified approach.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1358", "start": 9533.089, "end": 9538.645, "text": "I don't know if you're gonna be comfortable with Councilor Kanal's approach or not, but I will note this.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1359", "start": 9540.535, "end": 9544.767, "text": "I think the transportation piece of the legislative agenda is going to be very big.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1360", "start": 9545.538, "end": 9556.573, "text": "And I think that there might be some appetite from some incoming representatives and senators to go a little bit harder than some of the ones that are currently in there now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1361", "start": 9557.296, "end": 9568.576, "text": "And so I don't know what that does to the balance of power in Salem, but I think if you think about where Oregonians are at when it comes to— you use the word tech bros.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1362", "start": 9570.145, "end": 9578.653, "text": "They think about large data centers killing the bees in their neighborhood, and they, and they think about AI, and they're probably associating that with Waymo.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1363", "start": 9578.798, "end": 9591.385, "text": "And so I— all I'm saying is that there's probably going to be a political situation that provides cover for legislators who maybe want to take a position that's not the same as the lobbyists in this situation.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1364", "start": 9592.776, "end": 9596.321, "text": "I think House bill 4085 was written by Waymo.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1365", "start": 9597.365, 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"text": "Or else we're going to violate single meetings law.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1372", "start": 9621.626, "end": 9623.633, "text": "So I'm really trying not to do that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1373", "start": 9623.697, "end": 9633.412, "text": "So that's why I'm talking in kind of weird generalities here and being kind of open about all this, because I— because this is the only place to do it by the letter of the law.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1374", "start": 9634.134, "end": 9635.547, "text": "So we'll see how this goes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1375", "start": 9636.703, "end": 9638.839, "text": "Thank you so much for that comment, really.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1376", "start": 9639.015, "end": 9642.018, "text": "I'm— and I'm always trying to thread the needle.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1377", "start": 9642.628, "end": 9647.67, "text": "And having been in Salem and spent most I understand the threat to us.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 9648.007, "end": 9659.07, "text": "And by— I was going to say something nasty, but I'm trying to figure out what the best strategy really is for us as a city.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 9659.488, "end": 9664.096, "text": "And whether something is inevitable or not, I don't know.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 9664.465, "end": 9672.975, "text": "But I want us to be in the best position that we can possibly be, and the more that we're united and we did that on the TUF.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 9673.055, "end": 9674.934, "text": "We did that on the street restoration fee.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 9675.48, "end": 9678.627, "text": "We were pretty much a united front, and I really appreciate that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1383", "start": 9678.675, "end": 9682.352, "text": "I think we can replicate that with some different degrees.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1384", "start": 9682.528, "end": 9686.045, "text": "So we'll talk more about that one-on-one.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1385", "start": 9687.04, "end": 9688.196, "text": "We'll be careful.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1386", "start": 9688.903, "end": 9689.978, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1387", "start": 9690.878, "end": 9691.793, "text": "Thank you, Chair Clark.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 9692.323, "end": 9692.708, "text": "2 things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 9692.804, "end": 9693.896, "text": "First, just housekeeping.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 9693.944, "end": 9695.919, "text": "I want to make sure I got my exact wording right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 9696, "end": 9696.289, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 9696.353, "end": 9704.91, "text": "Previously, I think I used the word primarily, and I want to make sure that we know it's disproportionate in terms of the workforce percentages.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1393", "start": 9705.585, "end": 9706.885, "text": "Primarily is in some states.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1394", "start": 9706.949, "end": 9708.073, "text": "I'm not sure about nationwide.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1395", "start": 9708.17, "end": 9711.252, "text": "So I just want to make sure I amend that to disproportionately.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1396", "start": 9712.087, "end": 9715.395, "text": "Getting back to what we were talking about here, and thank you so much, Derek, for being here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1397", "start": 9715.764, "end": 9716.791, "text": "Appreciate it so much.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1398", "start": 9717.048, "end": 9727.003, "text": "And I don't know that we're going to be able to having a small number, these things don't tend to get reversed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 9727.164, "end": 9728.994, "text": "All that tends to do is slow it down.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 9730.391, "end": 9735.963, "text": "And so I— slowing it down is better than doing, you know, open season.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 9737.038, "end": 9746.432, "text": "But I would be— I don't love the idea, to get to the original ask, of having only the right to make a number in code.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 9746.512, "end": 9762.369, "text": "I would want to have the hard I just— it's been— the mayor is clearly supportive of this, and so I don't want that to be just whatever the mayor decides is an appropriate number to pursue.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 9762.904, "end": 9765.968, "text": "I would like to have that require a public conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 9766.72, "end": 9772.683, "text": "But again, I think the challenge I have and the difficulty with answering those questions, which are very good questions, is that I don't have the answer.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 9772.748, "end": 9772.926, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 9773.102, "end": 9778.402, "text": "And I appreciate the work that's been done, is I don't want to talk about how to do the thing that I don't want to do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 9778.483, "end": 9778.691, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 9778.74, "end": 9781.181, "text": "I'm just going to be that blunt about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 9782.498, "end": 9789.357, "text": "Because, you know, we could, you know, it's like asking how many people do we want to die?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 9789.984, "end": 9790.931, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 9791.156, "end": 9794.738, "text": "And I, that's why I always talk about, you know, Vision Zero is a numerical goal for me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 9794.786, "end": 9795.702, "text": "It's the same idea here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 9796.136, "end": 9798.609, "text": "It's, you know, you want to reduce, but you also want to get to zero.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 9799.126, "end": 9800.501, "text": "It's kind of the idea here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 9800.663, "end": 9803.687, "text": "I don't want to open the door to it at all.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 9806.83, "end": 9813.305, "text": "The other point I wanted to raise with relation to— I'm scrolling up here through my notes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 9813.37, "end": 9813.9, "text": "I apologize.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 9814.639, "end": 9819.057, "text": "I appreciate Councilor Green bringing up the serial meetings law.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 9819.349, "end": 9824.108, "text": "That would be something that the state legislature should spend its time on instead of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 9824.797, "end": 9825.598, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Derek Bradley" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 9826.095, "end": 9830.038, "text": "Funding TriMet should be something that the state legislature spends its time on instead of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" 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thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 9873.174, "end": 9893.323, "text": "Um, the other piece that I was, uh, bringing up is with relation to human support, I think the answer we got was about city— you mentioned first responders and city staff, but I don't know that we had anything about staff of Waymo and Zoox and things like that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 9893.547, "end": 9894.301, "text": "Was there anything there?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 9894.621, "end": 9900.265, "text": "I mean, we know that the companies have like in-field operations staff.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 9900.313, "end": 9906.999, "text": "I don't think we can provide a specific number of how many staff are in different cities, but they typically do have staff.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 9910.517, "end": 9915.227, "text": "And when you say operations, are you distinguishing between operations and customer service in that?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 9915.599, "end": 9915.858, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 9916.49, "end": 9917.088, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 9917.169, "end": 9926.632, "text": "So operations that could actually help respond to an incident or something like that, retrieve vehicles or those kinds of things, differing from customer service.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 9926.809, "end": 9934.97, "text": "If you, you know, got overcharged on your ride or needed to talk to someone about kind of app-based issues, Based issues.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 9936.859, "end": 9943.155, "text": "In the last— since I've taken office, I'm going to say it that broadly to not name the specific one, uh, I attended a 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"id": "cue-1439", "start": 9974.96, "end": 9979.454, "text": "So you'd walk and you'd go into the room, or you'd keep going straight and over towards like the restrooms and stuff.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 9979.519, "end": 9984.11, "text": "There's this vehicle, and they, they, uh, their— one of their brags was, uh, in their, in their intro—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 9984.288, "end": 10002.95, "text": "Introductory thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 10002.95, "end": 10019.935, "text": "I'm not comfortable necessarily saying kill all the robots yet, but I am comfortable saying that it's not at a place where we can just blindly trust that it works because it's better theoretically than a human driver.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 10019.983, "end": 10021.788, "text": "We all know terrible human drivers, don't get me wrong.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 10023.42, "end": 10030.826, "text": "But the idea that this is something we should put tons of, I mean, literal tons, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 10031.164, "end": 10035.518, "text": "Weight driving around without any sort of verification piece on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 10035.616, "end": 10037.097, "text": "Liability wasn't brought up today either.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 10037.146, "end": 10037.488, "text": "That's been a concern.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 10037.553, "end": 10037.634, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 10038.628, "end": 10041.582, "text": "That's where I'm coming from on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 10041.855, "end": 10042.417, "text": "So thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 10043.3, "end": 10047.313, "text": "Thank you so much for those comments, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 10047.618, "end": 10052.98, "text": "I don't know, did we talk about liability in any of the proposals?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 10053.558, "end": 10053.991, "text": "Oh, okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 10054.633, "end": 10060.845, "text": "I think I briefly mentioned it, but it was part kind of included in our base set of rules.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 10061.054, "end": 10069.578, "text": "So we weren't really spending time talking about it because I think we're planning on advancing some of those liability protections that we've already worked on with the City Attorney's Office.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 10070.188, "end": 10079.272, "text": "So didn't spend a lot of time on that because we're kind of already taking that as a kind of a starting position, if you will, um, and wanted to talk about some of these other policy concepts.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 10079.336, "end": 10082.642, "text": "But I apologize for, um, glossing over that.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 10082.69, "end": 10085.964, "text": "We probably could have spent a little bit more time knowing it was a topic of some interest.", "speaker": "Jacob Sherman" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 10086.173, "end": 10087.377, "text": "No apology necessary.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 10088.067, "end": 10091.197, "text": "Um, well, colleagues, I don't see any other hands up.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 10091.518, "end": 10094.47, "text": "Um, I think we'll conclude this part of our meeting.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 10095.047, "end": 10095.864, "text": "Thank you so much.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 10096.009, "end": 10109.485, "text": "I, I do, um, I'm going to ask you, at least from my office, to begin to craft that ordinance while you're also working on your administrative rules, and we'll schedule a time, uh, for you to bring that back.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 10110.046, "end": 10114.982, "text": "I think we need to incorporate everything that you've presented today in terms of the policy areas.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 10115.799, "end": 10120.271, "text": "Um, I'm, uh, I was a little surprised to hear the start small with 50.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 10121.01, "end": 10124.815, "text": "Um, but that's a— that's an interesting concept as well.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 10125.746, "end": 10139.86, "text": "Um, and we will— um, I guess it's a, uh, it's incumbent on all of us to talk individually with our colleagues about this as well, those that are not on this committee that will have a real interest.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1468", "start": 10139.956, "end": 10144.067, "text": "I know others who used to be on this committee have a real interest.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1469", "start": 10144.693, "end": 10147.582, "text": "Um, So that's incumbent on all of us.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1470", "start": 10147.679, "end": 10162.011, "text": "But I do— I would really appreciate you— I know you're busy— but put together a draft for us, um, an ordinance that we might be able to implement, uh, if we get the votes on this council, um, before the legislature begins.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1471", "start": 10162.589, "end": 10167.372, "text": "That would be my, my hope, um, in some way, shape, or form.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 10167.837, "end": 10171.015, "text": "So thank you so much for the great work that you do.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 10171.08, "end": 10171.32, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 10171.417, "end": 10172.412, "text": "Really appreciate it.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 10172.541, "end": 10173.488, "text": "Great presentation.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 10173.921, "end": 10175.784, "text": "And thanks also again, Derek, for being here.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1477", "start": 10176.956, "end": 10185.369, "text": "Um, okay, with that, um, just a little announcement from my colleagues.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1478", "start": 10185.626, "end": 10189.752, "text": "Um, our next 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"speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1483", "start": 10227.581, "end": 10233.562, "text": "I'm not sure what else we're going to add or how much time we'll have, but that's what I'm thinking at this point.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1484", "start": 10235.167, "end": 10239.852, "text": "So with that, I will adjourn the meeting of the Public Works Committee.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1485", "start": 10240.371, "end": 10240.89, "text": "Thank you all.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1486", "start": 10242.866, "end": 10248.168, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" } ] }