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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Avalos, are you available online?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Great, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Calling back to order this recessed meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It's 2:02 on Thursday, July 23rd.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, can you please call the roll?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Good afternoon.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Council Vice President Olivia Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Mayor Kevin Lewis?

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<v Keith Wilson>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Council Member Marianne Sawant.

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<v Loretta Smith>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Angelita Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>City Manager Raymond C. Lee?

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Mitch Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Eric Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Samir Khan?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Present.

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<v Olivia Clark>Present.

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<v Olivia Clark>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Mimi Swartz?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Jamie Dunphy?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Good afternoon.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda, www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we have 5 items today, including a land use item, A sec— a single second reading and 3 first readings of non-emergency ordinances.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Let's see if we can get through all of it today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, can we please call item number 8?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Our time's certain.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 8, amend the comprehensive plan map and zoning map for a vacant lot on Northwest 31st Ave described as Willamette Heights Addition Block 18, Lot 14, at the request of Portland Parks and Recreation, LU 26-007967.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, first our city attorney is going to make some announcements about today's hearing.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Lauren.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Hello, uh, this is an evidentiary hearing.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This means you may submit new evidence in to the council in support of your arguments, um, for council consideration of a hearings officer recommendation on a comprehensive plan map amendment Testimony will be heard as follows.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We will begin with a staff report by PP&D staff.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Following the staff report, the City Council will hear from interested persons in the following order.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The applicant will go first and will have 15 minutes, um, or is it 10?

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<v Queesha Light>10.

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<v Unidentified speaker>10 Minutes, sorry, following this, uh, uh, to address Council.

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<v Unidentified speaker>After the applicant, Council will hear from individuals or organizations who support the applicant's proposal.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Each person will have 3 minutes to speak.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Next, council will hear from persons or organizations who oppose the applicant's proposal.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Again, each person will have 3 minutes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If there was testimony in opposition to the applicant's proposal, the applicant will have 5 additional minutes to rebut the testimony given in opposition to the proposal.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Council may then close the hearing and deliberate.

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<v Unidentified speaker>As this is a non-emergency ordinance, it will pass the second reading, and council may make amendments to the ordinance and findings or direct staff to return with amendments.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Scope of testimony.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I would like to announce several guidelines for those who will be addressing City Council today.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Submitting evidence into the record.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Any letters or documents you wish to become part of the record should be given to the council clerk after you testify.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Similarly, the original or a copy of any slides, photographs, drawings, maps, videos, or other items you show the council during your testimony, including PowerPoint presentations, should be given to the council clerk to make sure they become part of the record.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Testimony must be directed to the approval criteria.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Any testimony, arguments, and evidence you present must be directed toward the applicable approval criteria for this land use review or other criteria in the city's comprehensive plan or zoning code that you believe will apply to the decision.

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<v Unidentified speaker>PP&D staff will identify the applicable approval criteria as a part of their staff report to council.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Issues must be raised with specificity.

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<v Unidentified speaker>You must raise an issue clearly enough to give the council and the parties an opportunity to respond to the issue.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If you do not, you'll be precluded from appealing to the Land Use Board of Appeals based on that issue.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Applicants must identify constitutional challenges to conditions of approval.

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<v Unidentified speaker>If the applicant fails to raise constitutional or other issues related to the proposed conditions of approval with enough specificity to allow the council to respond, the applicant will be precluded from bringing an action for damages in circuit court.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Lauren.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, first The next item on my little script here is to ask if any councilors wish to declare a conflict of interest.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And additionally, since I'm not seeing anybody jump up with a conflict of interest, which is great, no councilors have declared a conflict of interest.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do any councilors have any ex parte contacts to declare or information gathered outside of this hearing to disclose?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Similarly, seeing no councilors with ex parte communications Have any members of the council made any visits to the site involved in this matter?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Again, nobody.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So no councilors have visited the site.

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<v Queesha Light>Great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So we're now moving into the testimony portion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>First, the staff report, followed by the presentation of the applicant, then supporters of the applicant, then opponents of the applicant.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And if there has been opposing testimony, the applicant will be able to give rebuttal.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Let's move into staff presentation.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Welcome.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>I have a PowerPoint, should be coming up.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>Yeah, so good afternoon.

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<v Andy Galizia>I am Andy Galizia.

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<v Andy Galizia>I'm a planner with Portland Permitting and Development.

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<v Andy Galizia>This is a land use hearing for a comprehensive plan map amendment and a zoning map amendment requested by Portland Parks and Recreation for a property that they own.

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<v Andy Galizia>For this type of application, a land use hearings officer employed by the City Auditor's Office holds an initial public hearing, and then the hearings officer issues a recommendation for City Council.

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<v Andy Galizia>The City Council then decides the application in another public hearing, which we're doing today.

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<v Andy Galizia>The initial public hearing with the hearings officer took place on April 20th of this year.

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<v Andy Galizia>No neighbors or other members of the public attended that hearing, and the hearings officer issued a written recommendation to Council on May the 20th.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>And I'm going to summarize the findings and the recommendation from the hearings officer.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>So this is an aerial view with the subject site outlined in blue.

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<v Andy Galizia>Subject site is a 5,000-square-foot vacant lot in Northwest Portland.

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<v Andy Galizia>It's on Northwest 31st Avenue between Northwest Thurman and Vaughn Streets.

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<v Andy Galizia>It is surrounded on 3 sides by lots developed with houses.

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<v Andy Galizia>The lot is owned by Portland Parks and Recreation, but it is not developed as a park.

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<v Andy Galizia>Portland Parks and Recreation would like to be able to sell this lot, and that's the reason for this application.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>This is a view of the subject site looking east from Northwest 31st Avenue.

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<v Andy Galizia>It is a vacant lot, and you can see there are lots developed with houses on both sides.

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<v Andy Galizia>There's also another lot behind this one with a house on it.

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<v Andy Galizia>That house is out of view behind the trees in this photo.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>This map shows the zoning pattern in this area, which also reflects the comprehensive plan map.

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<v Andy Galizia>The subject site is outlined in red.

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<v Andy Galizia>It is zoned OS, or open space.

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<v Andy Galizia>The southeast part of this lot is also in the environmental conservation, or C overlay zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>The lot is surrounded by the R-5 residential zone on all sides, and this lot was also zoned R-5 until 2018, when it was rezoned to OS in a legislative action that applied the OS zone to Portland Parks and Recreation's properties that were not zoned OS already.

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<v Andy Galizia>This lot, though, again, is not part of any park.

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<v Andy Galizia>Lower McLay Park is on the same block, but this property is not contiguous with the park.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>So in order for Portland Parks and Recreation to be able to sell this lot for housing development, they are requesting 2 things in this application: a comprehensive plan map amendment to remove the open space comprehensive plan designation from this property, And apply the Residential 5000 Comprehensive Plan map designation instead.

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<v Andy Galizia>And 2, a concurrent zoning map amendment to rezone the property from the Open Space or OS zone to the R-5 residential zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>And there would also be the same Environmental Conservation Overlay and a new Constrained Sites Overlay zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>Those are the C and Z overlays.

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<v Andy Galizia>In the lower left here, you can see the existing zoning map with the subject site in red hash marks.

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<v Andy Galizia>The purple dots show other properties in this area that are also owned by Portland Parks and Recreation.

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<v Andy Galizia>Again, Lower McLay Park covers part of this block, but the subject property for this review is not contiguous with the park.

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<v Andy Galizia>And in the lower right, you can see the proposed zoning map.

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<v Andy Galizia>The subject site would have the R-5 residential base zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>The environmental conservation or C overlay zone would remain unchanged in the southeast part of the site, and there would be a new overlay, the constrained sites or Z overlay, applied to the entire site.

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<v Andy Galizia>So by code, the Z overlay is always applied to lots in the R-5 zone when any part of the lot has the environmental conservation overlay.

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<v Andy Galizia>And what the Z overlay does is restrict development to a house or a duplex.

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<v Andy Galizia>The Z overlay does not allow triplexes, fourplexes, or cottage clusters, which are allowed on other R-5 zone lots without the Z overlay.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>The comprehensive plan map amendment would remove the open space comprehensive plan map designation from this property and apply the residential R-5— I'm sorry, residential 5,000 designation instead.

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<v Andy Galizia>And this comprehensive plan map amendment is necessary for the property to be rezoned to the R-5 residential zone and then for a house or a duplex to be constructed on it.

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<v Andy Galizia>The approval criteria for the comprehensive plan map amendment are in zoning code section 33-810-050A.

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<v Andy Galizia>The criteria require that compared with the existing open space comprehensive plan map designation, the proposed residential 5,000 designation must be equally or more supportive of the comprehensive Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Andy Galizia>Councilmember Herbold.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Andy Galizia>The hearing officer found that the proposed ordinance would not be in conflict with the comprehensive plan as a whole.

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<v Andy Galizia>This criterion required an analysis of a number of different factors which are addressed in the hearings officer's recommendation.

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<v Andy Galizia>This includes Metro's Urban Growth Management Functional Plan for the metropolitan region, the Oregon Statewide Planning Goals, the Northwest District Plan for this neighborhood, and comprehensive plan policies related to housing, natural resources, and public services.

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<v Andy Galizia>The hearings officer found that by creating an opportunity for new housing on a vacant lot in a central area with good access to services, the proposed amendment is equally or more supportive of the comprehensive plan as a whole.

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<v Andy Galizia>An opportunity for new housing directly supports a number of policy goals related to housing supply and efficient use of land.

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<v Andy Galizia>Various review groups at the city evaluated this request, and they all indicated that adequate public services are available for future residential development on this lot.

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<v Andy Galizia>Natural resources protections will remain through the existing environmental conservation overlay that will remain over the southeast part of this lot And also from Title 11 Tree Code regulations that regulate tree removal and require a minimum tree canopy on a residential development site.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>The second part of this is the zoning map amendment to rezone the property to the R-5 residential zone, and the approval criteria for the zoning map amendment are in Zoning Code Section 33-855-050 and 33-855-060.

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<v Andy Galizia>And the first criterion is that the zoning map must be consistent with the comprehensive plan map.

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<v Andy Galizia>With concurrent approval of the comprehensive plan map amendment to the Residential 5000 designation, this zoning map amendment request meets this requirement.

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<v Andy Galizia>The R-5 residential zone that's proposed here is the only corresponding zone for the Residential 5000 comprehensive plan map designation.

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<v Andy Galizia>The second criterion is that adequate public services must be available to serve development that could occur in the R-5 zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>Which on this lot would be a house or a duplex.

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<v Andy Galizia>Again, different review groups at the city evaluated this request.

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<v Andy Galizia>They all indicated that adequate public services are available for possible residential development on this site.

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<v Andy Galizia>This includes water, sewer, stormwater, police, and the capacity of the transportation system in the area.

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<v Andy Galizia>And lastly, the application of the Z overlay or the constrained sites overlay must be necessary to address a situation And must be consistent with the adoption criteria for the overlay and with the comprehensive plan.

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<v Andy Galizia>Again, the Z overlay limits development to a house or a duplex, and the Z overlay adoption criteria in the zoning code require the Z overlay on the entirety of all R-5 zone lots when any part of that lot has the environmental conservation zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>So the fact that the southeast corner of this lot is in the environmental conservation zone is a situation that requires the Z overlay to be applied.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>The Z overlay code was adopted by the City Council with a residential infill project in 2020, and at that time, all components of the residential infill project, including the new Z overlay at that time, were found to be consistent with the comprehensive plan.

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<v Andy Galizia>Next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>So the hearings officer found that all of the applicable approval criteria were met.

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<v Andy Galizia>So the hearings officer recommended approval of the comprehensive plan map amendment to apply the Residential 5000 comprehensive plan map designation.

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<v Andy Galizia>Thank you.

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<v Andy Galizia>And approval of the zoning map amendment to apply the R-5 residential zone alongside the existing environmental conservation zone and the new constrained sites or Z overlay zone.

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<v Andy Galizia>Uh, next slide, please.

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<v Andy Galizia>And that concludes my presentation.

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<v Andy Galizia>Be happy to answer any questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, are there any technical or clarifying questions from the presentation?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I just want to make sure I understand that this was R-5, then in 2018 we made it open space, now we're going to make it R-5 again?

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<v Andy Galizia>That's correct.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm not sure this is really relevant, but can I ask, it looks like there's a driveway.

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<v Olivia Clark>Did there used to be a house there?

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<v Andy Galizia>I don't believe so.

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<v Andy Galizia>I believe this was This has been a vacant lot for— I don't know if there was ever a house there, but I don't believe there was any house there anytime in the recent past.

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<v Olivia Clark>I was just curious because of the driveway.

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<v Olivia Clark>How— can I ask how the city became the owner of this lot?

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<v Andy Galizia>I don't know that either.

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<v Andy Galizia>Portland Parks and Recreation staff are here.

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<v Andy Galizia>They may know the answer to that question.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>If I may, I'm Zelaine Nunn from Portland Parks and Recreation.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>I believe it was a tax foreclosure about 100 years ago.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>And it's just been a vacant lot.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>I think there was a shed on there at one point.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>It's gotten some use from the neighborhood, but it's not ever been used formally by parks.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Queesha Light>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I'm not 100% sure if you're the right folks to ask this to, but I appreciate the presentation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'll just ask and let me know if not.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Why now?

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<v Sameer Kanal>What's motivating the change?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is there— I mean, does this link inextricably to a sale?

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<v Zelaine Nunn>So that, that is the plan.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>We went out a few— we went through the disposition process several years ago and got council approval to dispose of the property.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>We were finding that difficult to do with the OS zoning, so we're now looking to rezone it so that we can then sell it.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, council already voted on the sale?

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Yes.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Prior to that, had there ever been a goal of acquiring the adjacent property?

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Uh, well, there's houses on either side.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>I'm not real sure what the parcel between that and Lower McLay is.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Not that I'm aware of, I guess, is the answer to your question.

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<v Queesha Light>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, what I'm trying to understand, and this might be outside the scope, is whether this is the best use of the property.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Use of property, you know, in terms of losing the, the natural space, the green space.

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<v Sameer Kanal>But, um, I'm trying to understand why— what motivated the, um, the sale, or the— I should say the, uh, the intent to sell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, at some later point, could you follow up and let, uh, maybe just via email and send over the information as to when council approved that?

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<v Candace Avalos>Uh, sure.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>I do have the ordinance number with me if that would be helpful.

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<v Dan Ryan>Great.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Uh, it was in 2021.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>It's Ordinance 190259.

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<v Steve Novick>Great.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>And that declared it surplus.

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<v Sameer Kanal>190—.

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<v Steve Novick>Okay, cool.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>259.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Also, Possibly outside the scope of what we're doing here, but I will ask because it continues on where my colleague was going.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because this was approved as surplus previously, after any rezoning that this council may approve, does Parks then have the ability to sell this without coming back to council?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or because that zoning change occurred, would there need to be any further action by council before a sale occurred?

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<v Zelaine Nunn>To my understanding, we do not need to go back to council.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you, Council President.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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<v Steve Novick>Mr. President, I just wanted to suggest that maybe we should establish a policy that when we foreclose on a property, we should check in every 100 years to see if it's zoned properly.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good suggestion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That concludes the technical or clarifying questions from councilors.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think we're going to move now to We'll now move to the presentation of the applicant.

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<v Christopher Hare>Good afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>My name is Chris Hagerman.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm with the Bookin Group.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>We were the land use planners that worked with Parks on this process.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>We are delighted with the staff report, delighted with the work that the city has done And we have no further presentation at this time except to make ourselves available for your questions.

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<v Candace Avalos>Excellent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, do you have any questions for our applicant?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, still in the—.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sorry, that's old.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There we go.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no further questions for our applicant, Questions from any councilors?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for your presentation.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We're now moving to testimony from supporters of the applicant.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have any signed up for that?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>No one is signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And do we have any opponents of the applicant?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>One person is signed up.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Ghalib bin Imhotep El.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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<v Christopher Hare>Come on down.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Okay.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I prepared this Monday, maybe Tuesday, before Wednesday happened.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>And though this applies specifically to this, I think what happened Wednesday night or Wednesday afternoon when, um, that last agenda item, I think this is a perfect example of what needs to happen as far as change is concerned.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Now, I chose to speak on this exact— let me start off by saying good afternoon, councilors.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I am Ghalib Benimut M. Hotep L., and I reside— I am domiciled in District 4.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I chose to speak on this exact ordinance for a reason that may not sit well with you, and it does not sit well with me either.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>When City Administrator Lee spoke of change management, it is my sincerest hope that the idea was for the management to change the culture and the processes, or refine the processes, in the name of transparency, Accountability and diligence.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>This process does not feel like change.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>That's why I'm opposed to it.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I don't oppose this ordinance on its merits.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>It's, it's a simple change.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>5,000 Square feet of open space to 5,000 square feet of residence, probably for a duplex, 2 single-family dwellings.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>My opposition is in the process and the language.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I have too many questions that lack answers, and it is my hope that these answers have been asked and answered already.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>First question, why were there only 2 people in that initial public hearing that was a Zoom call?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>The 2 people that were adjacent in the property, the 2 property owners of the adjacent properties, I think they would have some interest in what's going on with that property there in the middle.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>But there's been this public outcry about these hearings and the notice that's given of them.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Thank you.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>And yet here we are having another meeting where there is just the assigned group and the Portland Parks and Recreation Bureau.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>So there's no other additional input.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>That's questionable.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>There's also this question: when and where will this actual lot be made available for purchase?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>That question's already been answered.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>It was purchased back in 2021.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Thank you.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Considering that the change to open space occurred in 2018 with a comprehensive update, a process that is required by ORS Revised Statute 197 to actually provide to the state, why pass an ordinance that's contrary to those goals that are set to be realized by 2035?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Is that progressive?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Why does the language keep referring to the PP&R not using the space as a park?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>That was never the intention.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>It was meant to be an open space for clean air, clean water, and vegetation.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Basically greenery, because trees are our carbon dioxide scrubs.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>That's what they are for us.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>We breathe in good oxygen because we have those trees there.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>So why would they consider it a legislative process?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Why make vague language?

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Again, I don't intend to bombard you with issues.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>There's a simple solution: transparency.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I oppose this ordinance Because it's not transparent and that lot has already been sold in lieu of this process.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Your choice in this matter is your choice, but the scent of theocracy is ripe in the public documents.

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<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>Just remember this, no matter what you choose, I love you all unconditionally.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Rebecca, does that conclude?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>That concludes testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, as there was opposing testimony, the, the applicant is entitled up to 5 minutes for rebuttal if they so choose.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, the applicant has denied that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, discussion?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

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<v Dori Hellier>Thanks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Um, couple questions.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, first, just wanted to understand if I can get clarification on the current legal ownership of this property.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Just want to respond, be responsive to the, the item, the, uh, point raised in testimony here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>If either the applicant or the staff could come back on up.

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<v Dylan Paul>There you are.

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<v Olivia Clark>Cool.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Andy Galizia>So the property is currently owned by Portland Parks and Recreation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There are properties to the east and south that if hypothetically were acquired by the city would make it contiguous with the larger green space.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Were those properties ever targeted by any part of the city for acquisition should they have become available?

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<v Dylan Paul>Good afternoon.

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<v Dylan Paul>Dylan Paul, Public Works Business Services, Real Estate Services.

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<v Dylan Paul>We represent Parks on this matter.

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<v Dylan Paul>Um, I can say from my experience working with Parks and Recreation that oftentimes we do look at adjacent parcels.

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<v Dylan Paul>Oftentimes we will buy an easement In order to create new access corridors, in this case, it wasn't something that was warranted or needed.

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<v Dylan Paul>This lot, in order to connect it to the park, would have taken a considerable considerable amount of resources.

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<v Dylan Paul>However, in most cases in the past, we would also record an easement and then end up selling the property.

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<v Dylan Paul>It just seemed unlikely and infeasible that we would ever.

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<v Dylan Paul>Get the corresponding easements required to connect an access point.

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<v Dylan Paul>And there were already 2 different— 3 different access points available for Maclay at this time.

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<v Dylan Paul>So it was seen as a low priority and potentially a bit of a liability since it was being used in an unpermitted fashion.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Unpermitted.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Was there ever a consideration of creating a community garden there?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Or any other sort of usage?

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<v Sameer Kanal>I feel like, you know, obviously we— there was a whole conversation on this prior to us getting here, so I'm just trying to understand.

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<v Dylan Paul>Yeah, great, great, you know, I think comment where we look at community gardens.

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<v Dylan Paul>Typically we're looking for much larger areas to provide those services.

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<v Dylan Paul>They can be very expensive.

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<v Dylan Paul>They can also have an impact on adjacent homes with a lot of different visitors.

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<v Dylan Paul>So this wasn't seen as an ideal situation for a community garden.

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<v Dylan Paul>But, you know, I'd be happy to follow up with, you know, where all of ours are and what criteria they look for.

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<v Dylan Paul>But most often we're looking for a much larger, you know, hopefully, you know, close to an acre.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

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<v Mitch Green>I—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I haven't been to the site, but I have looked at it on Google Maps, and the satellite view looks Like a portion of it is kind of in that being used in that way.

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<v Sameer Kanal>It's a little hard to tell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And obviously the street view, you can't see the back of the lot as easily.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So that's the basis for the question.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm also not 100% sure.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I would love to get some follow-up that's outside of the scope of this document on what the criteria that Parks looks at for community gardens, because Just interested, would love to support him.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I guess the only other thing I wanted to ask, we had a presentation in Committee of the Whole earlier today for Prosper Portland board appointees, and one of the things that got talked about in that was just how assertive, and I say this as a positive thing, and how proactive Prosper is with land acquisition.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm seeing a lot of sale but not a lot of purchase, Broadly through the administration.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know that I can say that that's specifically to parks.

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00:42:23.708 --> 00:42:43.954
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I think just 2 things to put a pin in for later, maybe for the city administrator, is I'd love to understand the sort of net on that as we start repivoting and reaffirming our interest in land banking as a council, but also how we can move away from Portland Parks owning land and get back to, or get to a place of Portland, the city of Portland owning land.

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<v Andy Galizia>Councilor Smith.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Because one of the things that I think complicates this is that bureaus are, you know, we're not a city yet.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We're 27 bureaus and a trash co. And I would love to get to a place where, yeah, and I know that's a priority for you as well, Mr. City Administrator.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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00:43:05.615 --> 00:43:07.188
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What outreach was done to the neighbors?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is striking to me that Folks who have had an empty lot next to them have no opinion about this, whether positive or negative.

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00:43:15.628 --> 00:43:21.353
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I, I've seen situations with neighbors who feel strongly one way or another, but we're not hearing anything today.

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00:43:22.458 --> 00:43:40.755
<v Andy Galizia>Yeah, so before the initial public hearing in April, there was a notice sent by mail to all property owners within 400 feet of the site, as well as to the neighborhood association district coalition, and there was a sign posted in front of the property Advertising to the public hearing with where to get more information on how to attend.

390
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<v Andy Galizia>So I would've thought too that people would've been more curious or concerned, but I did get some questions.

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00:43:47.634 --> 00:43:56.927
<v Andy Galizia>So I know that there were some people who were aware of this, but I did not— no one— it's correct that it was just Mr. Hageman and myself at the last hearing, that none of the neighbors came or provided testimony.

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00:43:57.362 --> 00:44:01.112
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But you received questions from neighbors who wanted more information, clarification?

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00:44:01.853 --> 00:44:02.045
<v Christopher Hare>Yeah.

394
00:44:02.663 --> 00:44:09.326
<v Andy Galizia>There was one neighbor who asked about whether, you know, how the property would be marketed and what the price might be.

395
00:44:09.485 --> 00:44:12.938
<v Andy Galizia>And Mr. Hageman responded at the first hearing that wasn't decided yet.

396
00:44:14.126 --> 00:44:20.275
<v Andy Galizia>I think I got a phone call from another person just asking some general questions about the process, I think, but nothing more than that.

397
00:44:20.789 --> 00:44:25.172
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The notifications, though, it sounds like made it clear to neighbors that this change would likely lead to a sale.

398
00:44:26.585 --> 00:44:27.211
<v Andy Galizia>Yes, I think so.

399
00:44:27.307 --> 00:44:32.376
<v Andy Galizia>I mean, because it was, Talks about how it's for potential house or duplex or housing development in the future.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Okay.

401
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<v Dylan Paul>In 2020, the sign was also on the lot.

402
00:44:36.947 --> 00:44:40.827
<v Dylan Paul>So when it originally went through city disposition process, it was posted.

403
00:44:41.646 --> 00:44:45.431
<v Dylan Paul>And at that time, the sign did indicate that it would be sold on the open market.

404
00:44:45.590 --> 00:44:50.112
<v Dylan Paul>There were 2, you know, the adjacent neighbors, you know, were somewhat opposed to that.

405
00:44:50.226 --> 00:44:54.458
<v Dylan Paul>However, there was a very high level of interest from the community to have that lot.

406
00:44:55.391 --> 00:44:58.425
<v Dylan Paul>So we got a lot of interest.

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00:44:58.521 --> 00:45:03.210
<v Dylan Paul>It was just too big of a hurdle to risk having the rezone not work out for them.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Understood.

409
00:45:04.606 --> 00:45:12.586
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And hearing that folks reached out gives me confidence that the outreach that the city did was sufficient for folks to understand what was happening here.

410
00:45:13.422 --> 00:45:26.277
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just want to note, because it was brought up, that while I don't think this lot in particular is a great spot for a park or a You have homes around it that generally have yards that they could put gardens in, things like that.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I hope we can have a conversation between this council and parks about whether everything has to be the large, full-scale, full-service model, or whether it might make sense as we need more public green space and more public garden space and things like that to have different sized models that work.

412
00:45:44.952 --> 00:45:45.130
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

413
00:45:46.157 --> 00:45:48.905
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I look forward to having more of that conversation in the future.

414
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

415
00:45:49.853 --> 00:45:50.704
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

416
00:45:50.976 --> 00:45:52.005
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

417
00:45:52.181 --> 00:45:52.648
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

418
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:56.315
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

419
00:45:56.380 --> 00:45:59.931
<v Mitch Green>So this is a Type 3 quasi-judicial consideration.

420
00:46:00.012 --> 00:46:00.706
<v Mitch Green>Is that what this is?

421
00:46:03.090 --> 00:46:04.684
<v Unidentified speaker>Type 4 quasi-judicial.

422
00:46:04.764 --> 00:46:09.030
<v Unidentified speaker>So meaning that it goes straight— it's just a recommendation from the hearings officer and it goes straight to council.

423
00:46:09.110 --> 00:46:10.172
<v Unidentified speaker>But yes, quasi-judicial.

424
00:46:10.543 --> 00:46:10.800
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

425
00:46:12.344 --> 00:46:15.748
<v Mitch Green>I appreciate— oh, it's 3?

426
00:46:16.358 --> 00:46:18.478
<v Unidentified speaker>It's, yeah, it goes straight to council.

427
00:46:18.525 --> 00:46:20.067
<v Unidentified speaker>Just a Type 4 is just demolition review.

428
00:46:20.114 --> 00:46:20.581
<v Unidentified speaker>I apologize.

429
00:46:20.644 --> 00:46:22.539
<v Unidentified speaker>So we call it Type 3 in terms of how we notice.

430
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:23.471
<v Unidentified speaker>Is that correct, Andy?

431
00:46:23.664 --> 00:46:25.204
<v Unidentified speaker>All right, you were correct initially.

432
00:46:25.268 --> 00:46:25.639
<v Unidentified speaker>I apologize.

433
00:46:25.896 --> 00:46:28.706
<v Unidentified speaker>It still comes straight to council from the hearings officer.

434
00:46:28.753 --> 00:46:30.311
<v Mitch Green>Pretend like I didn't hear that I was correct.

435
00:46:30.375 --> 00:46:31.692
<v Mitch Green>It'll get to my head.

436
00:46:31.932 --> 00:46:32.253
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

437
00:46:33.217 --> 00:46:35.561
<v Mitch Green>No, colleagues, this feels pretty straightforward.

438
00:46:36.413 --> 00:46:37.407
<v Mitch Green>This is in my district.

439
00:46:37.536 --> 00:46:38.836
<v Mitch Green>I've walked this neighborhood.

440
00:46:38.981 --> 00:46:45.789
<v Mitch Green>I know that the sort of constituents I have in this neighborhood would be acutely aware of a sign of public notice.

441
00:46:46.625 --> 00:46:49.804
<v Mitch Green>These are things that happen a lot at our neighborhood association meetings.

442
00:46:50.623 --> 00:46:55.311
<v Mitch Green>It's a big topic of discussion whenever there's a proposed development or proposed land use change.

443
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:01.108
<v Mitch Green>So if we haven't heard anything from the adjacent property owners, it's not because we failed to do outreach on this.

444
00:47:01.317 --> 00:47:04.329
<v Mitch Green>I'm pretty confident that We've, we've properly noticed this.

445
00:47:05.851 --> 00:47:11.228
<v Mitch Green>In terms of the open land, you know, this is right next to Forest Park, and Forest Park is massive.

446
00:47:12.226 --> 00:47:14.847
<v Mitch Green>And I think we've got a lot of that going on as part of this.

447
00:47:15.057 --> 00:47:18.309
<v Mitch Green>I don't think we need this 5,000-square-foot parcel as part of that.

448
00:47:19.762 --> 00:47:26.125
<v Mitch Green>In terms of the access and continuity, if you just walk around the block, you get to Lower McLeod Park trailhead.

449
00:47:26.724 --> 00:47:28.115
<v Mitch Green>So there's plenty of opportunity there.

450
00:47:28.164 --> 00:47:36.211
<v Mitch Green>And So I think what we don't want is just a vacant lot that just sits as a vacant lot for time immemorial.

451
00:47:37.619 --> 00:47:40.795
<v Mitch Green>So if there's an opportunity to turn that into productive use, I fully support that.

452
00:47:41.443 --> 00:47:45.202
<v Mitch Green>It looks like from the aerial photos there is like sort of an above-ground swimming pool there.

453
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:52.949
<v Mitch Green>I don't know, so maybe the neighbors want to get together, pitch in, buy the lot, and make their own little block party pool, and that's something that they should do.

454
00:47:53.047 --> 00:47:53.614
<v Mitch Green>I think that's a great idea.

455
00:47:54.527 --> 00:48:08.769
<v Mitch Green>Um, but if we're thinking about the resources that we have in the Parks Bureau to support parks programming and new parks, I much prefer investing in Slabtown to get that thing going than try to like do this 5,000-foot one-off little park thing.

456
00:48:08.835 --> 00:48:15.257
<v Mitch Green>So appreciate the concern for the District 4, but I, I feel pretty confident that my constituents were noticed.

457
00:48:15.802 --> 00:48:24.007
<v Mitch Green>We would have heard about it, and, uh, looking forward to getting to a place where we can just approve this and turn unproductive land into productive land so people can have a place to live in our city.

458
00:48:24.248 --> 00:48:24.648
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

459
00:48:25.532 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

460
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:27.956
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

461
00:48:28.822 --> 00:48:29.465
<v Eric Zimmerman>What he said.

462
00:48:29.545 --> 00:48:30.059
<v Eric Zimmerman>We got this.

463
00:48:30.172 --> 00:48:30.797
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you very much.

464
00:48:31.215 --> 00:48:34.009
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, I mean, it's a hill, for God's sake, you guys.

465
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.934
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, let's not overdo this.

466
00:48:36.128 --> 00:48:41.023
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, there comes a point where— I mean, I think we spent an hour and a half on an appointment earlier today.

467
00:48:41.570 --> 00:48:42.003
<v Eric Zimmerman>My God.

468
00:48:42.291 --> 00:48:44.668
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, like, this is, this is straightforward.

469
00:48:44.715 --> 00:48:52.518
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I was trying to be funny with the R-5 to open space to R-5 and the switcheroo that we're doing in a 7, 8-year period, right?

470
00:48:52.648 --> 00:48:54.141
<v Eric Zimmerman>But we got this.

471
00:48:54.414 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Candace Avalos>It—.

472
00:48:54.911 --> 00:49:00.018
<v Eric Zimmerman>This is a neighborhood who I'm pretty sure has their neighborhood association meetings in somebody's living room.

473
00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:04.224
<v Eric Zimmerman>So there's an acute awareness of everything going on.

474
00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have zero concerns for engagement on this.

475
00:49:06.536 --> 00:49:08.768
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have zero concerns with moving it to R-5.

476
00:49:09.266 --> 00:49:13.702
<v Eric Zimmerman>It looks like it meets all the criteria, and I think that we should move Thank you.

477
00:49:14.510 --> 00:49:15.367
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

478
00:49:16.141 --> 00:49:21.362
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, colleagues, I am going to close the evidentiary record.

479
00:49:23.213 --> 00:49:25.016
<v Jamie Dunphy>The evidentiary record in this hearing is now closed.

480
00:49:25.065 --> 00:49:29.012
<v Jamie Dunphy>This means council will accept no more oral or written testimony on the land use appeal.

481
00:49:30.291 --> 00:49:47.195
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I am going to move that the council tentatively uphold the recommendations of the hearings officer and ask that the applicant Second.

482
00:49:47.244 --> 00:49:48.447
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clark seconds.

483
00:49:48.793 --> 00:49:49.965
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark seconds.

484
00:49:51.349 --> 00:49:52.505
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any discussion of the motion?

485
00:49:55.309 --> 00:49:57.355
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we move to a roll call vote on this then, please?

486
00:49:57.878 --> 00:49:59.710
<v Jamie Dunphy>This requires 7 affirmative votes to pass.

487
00:50:02.507 --> 00:50:07.505
<v Rebecca Dobert>Calling the vote on 2026-242, moved by Council President Dunphy, seconded by Councilor Smith.

488
00:50:07.909 --> 00:50:09.902
<v Rebecca Dobert>Seconded by Council Vice President Clark.

489
00:50:10.929 --> 00:50:11.476
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

490
00:50:11.974 --> 00:50:12.023
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

491
00:50:13.018 --> 00:50:13.420
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

492
00:50:13.661 --> 00:50:13.710
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

493
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:14.175
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

494
00:50:14.304 --> 00:50:14.722
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

495
00:50:14.867 --> 00:50:14.916
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

496
00:50:15.606 --> 00:50:15.927
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

497
00:50:16.233 --> 00:50:16.313
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

498
00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:16.860
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

499
00:50:17.445 --> 00:50:17.492
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

500
00:50:18.108 --> 00:50:18.563
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

501
00:50:18.983 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

502
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:20.668
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

503
00:50:21.657 --> 00:50:21.704
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

504
00:50:22.661 --> 00:50:23.099
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

505
00:50:24.086 --> 00:50:24.135
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

506
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:25.364
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

507
00:50:27.077 --> 00:50:27.125
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

508
00:50:29.257 --> 00:50:29.644
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

509
00:50:30.065 --> 00:50:30.112
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

510
00:50:31.356 --> 00:50:31.664
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

511
00:50:32.003 --> 00:50:32.083
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

512
00:50:32.907 --> 00:50:33.230
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

513
00:50:33.887 --> 00:50:33.934
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

514
00:50:34.851 --> 00:50:37.195
<v Rebecca Dobert>Motion is approved with a 12 aye vote.

515
00:50:37.693 --> 00:50:46.186
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, the motion to uphold the hearings officer's recommendation has passed 12 to 0, and the applicant— application is tentatively granted.

516
00:50:46.603 --> 00:50:57.746
<v Jamie Dunphy>This matter will return to council on August 6th, Thursday, August 6th at 2 o'clock PM, time certain, for the adoption of the findings and a final vote.

517
00:50:59.673 --> 00:51:01.536
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for everybody for being here today.

518
00:51:02.387 --> 00:51:04.443
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move, call item number 9?

519
00:51:04.972 --> 00:51:12.246
<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 9, extend lease with Urban Office and Parking Facilities for the City Kids Childcare and Development Center space by 5 years.

520
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:19.103
<v Rebecca Dobert>Amend CLM Contract 10014, document number 2026-216.

521
00:51:19.487 --> 00:51:22.009
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the second reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

522
00:51:22.088 --> 00:51:23.485
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any further council discussion?

523
00:51:28.108 --> 00:51:32.382
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing none, Keelan— or Rebecca, can we please call the roll?

524
00:51:37.726 --> 00:51:38.597
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

525
00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:39.740
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

526
00:51:40.192 --> 00:51:41.110
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

527
00:51:41.594 --> 00:51:41.643
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

528
00:51:42.577 --> 00:51:42.996
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

529
00:51:43.126 --> 00:51:43.173
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

530
00:51:44.125 --> 00:51:44.447
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

531
00:51:44.737 --> 00:51:44.769
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

532
00:51:45.769 --> 00:51:45.932
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

533
00:51:46.193 --> 00:51:46.373
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

534
00:51:47.420 --> 00:51:47.813
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

535
00:51:48.009 --> 00:51:48.041
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

536
00:51:50.036 --> 00:51:50.346
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

537
00:51:51.208 --> 00:51:51.255
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

538
00:51:51.952 --> 00:51:52.326
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

539
00:51:53.233 --> 00:51:53.396
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

540
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:54.351
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

541
00:51:54.773 --> 00:51:54.903
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

542
00:51:55.503 --> 00:51:55.972
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

543
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:56.768
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

544
00:51:57.708 --> 00:51:58.081
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

545
00:51:58.340 --> 00:51:58.389
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

546
00:51:59.539 --> 00:51:59.782
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

547
00:52:00.041 --> 00:52:00.090
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

548
00:52:01.255 --> 00:52:03.181
<v Rebecca Dobert>Uh, the ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

549
00:52:03.844 --> 00:52:04.572
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

550
00:52:04.653 --> 00:52:06.175
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 10?

551
00:52:09.936 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 10, amend vehicles and traffic code to clarify applicability of ride fees and establish a driver's resource center for transportation network company drivers.

552
00:52:19.625 --> 00:52:29.141
<v Rebecca Dobert>Amend Code Section 16.40.030 and 16.40.240, document number 2026-192.

553
00:52:30.590 --> 00:52:35.985
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is a continued first reading of our— of a non-emergency ordinance.

554
00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Jamie Dunphy>We heard an initial presentation and public testimony on this previously, and Thank you, Council President.

555
00:52:56.936 --> 00:53:02.992
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, as the Council President reminded us, we heard testimony on this item but didn't have time for debate.

556
00:53:03.202 --> 00:53:10.471
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And when we last heard this item, I shared that we had received some concerns from particularly Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash.

557
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:10.827
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

558
00:53:10.893 --> 00:53:20.313
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>As well, um, about questions around the intent of the, uh, scope of a driver resource center.

559
00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:32.860
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Their concerns were not reflective of the language in the ordinance, but I had said that we would work with them since we had that extra time to bring forward an amendment to create some clarification.

560
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:44.630
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You have before you today posted Pirtle-Guiney Novick 2, and because this is an amendment to a code amendment, there are 2 shades of red.

561
00:53:44.775 --> 00:53:48.175
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I'm just going to draw your attention to the places where the changes are.

562
00:53:49.585 --> 00:54:02.789
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>On the second page of the posted amendment to the ordinance, there is a new N, which actually defines what deactivation means so that that That's clear.

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00:54:04.764 --> 00:54:21.873
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The second change— I'm sorry, I don't have the page numbers in front of me on this one, um, but if you go all the way to the part of Code 16.40240, it is about 2/3 of the way through.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We are looking at a new Section 3— wait, am I in the wrong I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong spot.

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00:54:29.376 --> 00:54:53.204
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're going to H in that section and changes to H2, which will now say that it will provide some authority to the city administrator to designate a customer service supervisor or to have designated for them a customer service supervisor.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So that it is clear who the city administrator, through the city administrator, the driver resource center should work with within the TNCs to help drivers escalate concerns.

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00:55:09.387 --> 00:55:13.768
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I apologize, we are going backwards now to see in that section a new 3.

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00:55:14.398 --> 00:55:19.005
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>A driver's resource center may be established to assist drivers in navigating deactivation.

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00:55:19.608 --> 00:55:21.197
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or other account issues.

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00:55:21.793 --> 00:55:26.099
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And it clarifies a little bit more about what a driver resource center does.

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00:55:26.757 --> 00:55:37.233
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But the fact that the driver resource center does not exercise regulatory or adjudicatory authority, that was the main crux of the concern that Lyft and Uber raised.

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00:55:38.101 --> 00:55:41.876
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This amendment has been reviewed by the TNCs.

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00:55:42.583 --> 00:55:45.235
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>They had a few comments.

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00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:54.210
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Few other asks that didn't make it in here, so I don't think it quite got them too excited about this ordinance, but it certainly neutralized their concerns.

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00:55:55.431 --> 00:56:05.289
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It has been run by the drivers union leadership who are in the room with us today and who have expressed to my office that they are okay with these changes.

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00:56:06.268 --> 00:56:18.768
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And it has been run by PBOT to ensure that these are all workable and fit within in what PBOT currently does in running the program and what their assumptions are about their relationship with the Driver Resource Center.

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00:56:19.577 --> 00:56:28.170
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we would ask for your support in adding this to the underlying and ultimately in the underlying ordinance.

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00:56:29.503 --> 00:56:30.373
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

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00:56:30.454 --> 00:56:33.313
<v Jamie Dunphy>And are you formally moving this amendment?

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00:56:33.362 --> 00:56:34.556
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes, I would move this amendment.

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00:56:34.605 --> 00:56:34.992
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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00:56:35.298 --> 00:56:35.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>Second.

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00:56:36.391 --> 00:56:37.894
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Koyama Lane seconds.

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00:56:38.492 --> 00:56:41.369
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of the amendment?

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00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:43.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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00:56:45.536 --> 00:56:48.965
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

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00:56:49.387 --> 00:57:01.081
<v Mitch Green>If you would permit, can I call someone from the driver's unit up to ask them if they're— I mean, I saw some hand waves, but I'd love to hear directly from you whether or not you support this amendment.

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00:57:02.148 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm happy to have them come on up.

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00:57:03.458 --> 00:57:13.757
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, thank you, Councilor Green.

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00:57:13.806 --> 00:57:15.746
<v Jamie Dunphy>Joe Jackson with Drivers Union, for the record.

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00:57:16.456 --> 00:57:21.628
<v Mitch Green>Thank you for being here today, and thanks for your sort of ongoing stalwart advocacy for your drivers.

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00:57:21.974 --> 00:57:23.873
<v Mitch Green>Um, I know you've been working closely with these offices.

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00:57:24.981 --> 00:57:26.402
<v Mitch Green>Uh, just want to hear it from you.

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00:57:26.610 --> 00:57:29.257
<v Mitch Green>Uh, have you had a chance to review this amendment, and do—.

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00:57:29.257 --> 00:57:37.922
<v Jamie Dunphy>Are you comfortable We have had a chance to review the amendment, and we do believe that this will help us accomplish our goals.

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00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:40.463
<v Mitch Green>Okay, that's all I need to hear.

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00:57:40.753 --> 00:57:41.059
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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00:57:41.382 --> 00:57:42.659
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Green.

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00:57:43.902 --> 00:57:45.467
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, further discussion of the amendment?

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00:57:49.722 --> 00:57:50.606
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

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00:57:52.038 --> 00:57:53.195
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

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00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:58.657
<v Olivia Clark>I would just like to ask City Attorney Lee about the From the administration's perspective, do you have any thoughts about this?

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00:57:59.737 --> 00:58:00.851
<v Olivia Clark>You are mentioned in here.

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00:58:02.248 --> 00:58:09.186
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I believe what's mentioned within this ordinance is stuff that we can carry through, so no issues on the administration side.

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00:58:11.762 --> 00:58:30.751
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, if I may clarify, the references in the new language to the city administrator are, um, the city administrator we assume would delegate Powers or share information to PBOT and through PBOT to their contracted operator of the Driver Resource Center.

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00:58:31.233 --> 00:58:43.951
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is not meant to be additional work for the city administrator himself, but rather that technical nature of referring to the city administrator on behalf of the administration to then delegate.

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00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.422
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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00:58:46.632 --> 00:58:47.467
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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00:58:49.643 --> 00:58:58.548
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue for discussion of the amendment, Rebecca, can we please call the roll on, uh, is it Pirtle-Guiney-Novick 1?

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00:58:58.838 --> 00:58:58.981
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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00:59:00.010 --> 00:59:02.420
<v Rebecca Dobert>I believe it's Pirtle-Guiney-Novick 2.

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<v Steve Novick>2.

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00:59:03.545 --> 00:59:04.686
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is Pirtle-Guiney-Novick 2.

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00:59:04.751 --> 00:59:06.101
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We had a technical amendment previously.

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00:59:06.148 --> 00:59:06.552
<v Sameer Kanal>That's right.

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00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:07.034
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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00:59:07.164 --> 00:59:07.501
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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00:59:07.744 --> 00:59:08.081
<v Jamie Dunphy>Good catch.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Uh, calling the roll on amendment Pirtle-Guiney-Novick 2.

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00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:18.677
<v Rebecca Dobert>Amendment 2, moved by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Councilor Koyama Lane.

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00:59:19.173 --> 00:59:19.639
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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00:59:21.097 --> 00:59:21.146
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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00:59:22.074 --> 00:59:22.460
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

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00:59:23.021 --> 00:59:23.148
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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00:59:23.822 --> 00:59:24.222
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

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00:59:24.543 --> 00:59:24.592
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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00:59:25.184 --> 00:59:25.601
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

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00:59:25.907 --> 00:59:25.922
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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00:59:26.563 --> 00:59:26.771
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

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00:59:27.108 --> 00:59:27.284
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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00:59:27.942 --> 00:59:28.375
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

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00:59:28.711 --> 00:59:28.791
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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00:59:29.353 --> 00:59:29.657
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

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00:59:30.715 --> 00:59:30.731
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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00:59:31.373 --> 00:59:31.742
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

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00:59:32.398 --> 00:59:32.447
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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00:59:33.376 --> 00:59:33.585
<v Olivia Clark>Knell?

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00:59:34.001 --> 00:59:34.161
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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00:59:34.579 --> 00:59:35.059
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

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00:59:35.364 --> 00:59:35.411
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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00:59:36.101 --> 00:59:36.389
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

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00:59:36.967 --> 00:59:37.014
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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00:59:37.784 --> 00:59:38.186
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

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00:59:38.489 --> 00:59:38.666
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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00:59:39.067 --> 00:59:41.166
<v Rebecca Dobert>The amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

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00:59:41.797 --> 00:59:42.425
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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00:59:43.264 --> 00:59:47.208
<v Jamie Dunphy>Now, colleagues, discussion of the underlying— now amended underlying ordinance?

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00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:53.199
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark?

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00:59:53.778 --> 00:59:54.697
<v Olivia Clark>Good bill should pass.

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00:59:55.550 --> 00:59:57.001
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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00:59:57.644 --> 00:59:58.853
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I want to thank the sponsors for bringing this forward.

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01:00:02.324 --> 01:00:13.918
<v Sameer Kanal>Colleagues, uh, last year I put up a, uh, a budget note, um, proposal that did Didn't end up getting a vote to explore expanding the driver's resource program into a driver's resource center.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And since then, obviously didn't get a chance to get it voted on then, but I'm really grateful that that work's been picked up and carried forward.

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01:00:22.476 --> 01:00:29.251
<v Sameer Kanal>I also was going back over the 2 amendments that were done in committee, which both were improvements as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So just wanted to say thanks there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:37.286
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't remember who the sponsors were, and I apologize if I'm leaving you out on it.

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01:00:37.641 --> 01:00:39.565
<v Sameer Kanal>Zimmerman was one, and okay.

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01:00:42.717 --> 01:00:47.409
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, would've loved to have known about it early enough to be a co-sponsor.

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01:00:47.456 --> 01:00:52.342
<v Sameer Kanal>Would've loved to be able to support it in that way, but happy to vote yes on it and support it in the way we can.

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01:00:52.454 --> 01:00:52.856
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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01:00:53.018 --> 01:00:54.356
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

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01:00:54.612 --> 01:00:55.112
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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01:00:55.579 --> 01:00:57.722
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, thank you, Council President.

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01:00:58.443 --> 01:01:04.947
<v Dan Ryan>This has been— because I'm in City Life, perhaps— you all have spent so much time here, and I appreciate that.

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01:01:05.655 --> 01:01:10.666
<v Dan Ryan>I would ask if the sponsors would be okay if we put an asterisk on this as an emergency.

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01:01:10.713 --> 01:01:15.918
<v Dan Ryan>I'm sure we have 9 votes, and so you don't have to keep coming back for additional times.

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01:01:16.335 --> 01:01:18.327
<v Dan Ryan>Do I have a second?

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01:01:18.775 --> 01:01:19.418
<v Olivia Clark>Second.

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01:01:19.628 --> 01:01:20.929
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay, cool.

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01:01:21.152 --> 01:01:21.507
<v Unidentified speaker>Wait, what?

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01:01:21.554 --> 01:01:22.485
<v Dan Ryan>Oh, sponsors are cool.

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01:01:23.418 --> 01:01:23.659
<v Candace Avalos>All right.

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01:01:23.818 --> 01:01:31.838
<v Jamie Dunphy>Also, we'll need language specifically to designate why this is an emergency, um, and we need that, uh, in writing, unfortunately.

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01:01:33.121 --> 01:01:40.108
<v Dan Ryan>I know it's hardship that they have to keep coming here over and over and over again and not out there making money and serving the public.

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01:01:40.172 --> 01:01:43.777
<v Dan Ryan>And, you know, it's— I feel like you could invoice us at this point.

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01:01:44.259 --> 01:01:45.989
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, so, President—.

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01:01:46.085 --> 01:01:46.693
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, what's that?

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01:01:46.757 --> 01:02:15.628
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So, President— yes, might an appropriate emergency be that, um, the That there are drivers who are facing— let me get my language totally correct here— there are drivers who are facing deactivation every week in our city, and that enacting this more quickly would allow for them to have the proper support to address those deactivations more quickly.

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01:02:16.351 --> 01:02:19.224
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that's a valid excuse for sure.

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01:02:19.322 --> 01:02:24.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>But if somebody could please reduce that to writing so that we can move on it.

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01:02:24.447 --> 01:02:26.068
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Ryan, you made a motion.

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01:02:26.132 --> 01:02:28.173
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Would you like to do that or would you like me to type that up?

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01:02:28.222 --> 01:02:28.849
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, go ahead.

686
01:02:28.976 --> 01:02:29.670
<v Dan Ryan>I'm not used to this.

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01:02:29.766 --> 01:02:32.041
<v Dan Ryan>We've been able to do this in the past.

688
01:02:32.106 --> 01:02:32.331
<v Andy Galizia>I know.

689
01:02:32.492 --> 01:02:33.557
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm being a jerk about it.

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01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:38.478
<v Dan Ryan>I don't know about that, but I think you might be taking it too seriously.

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01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.773
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, I just want to make sure we have the exact language for our clerk to vote for.

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01:02:42.855 --> 01:02:44.152
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, all right.

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01:02:44.313 --> 01:02:47.396
<v Jamie Dunphy>2 Minutes on this and then we'll— Great.

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01:02:47.445 --> 01:02:49.429
<v Jamie Dunphy>In the interim, Councilor Green.

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01:02:51.309 --> 01:02:53.128
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

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01:02:53.336 --> 01:03:00.286
<v Mitch Green>I will speak long enough for the language to be drafted because I will support an amendment to make it an emergency ordinance.

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01:03:01.782 --> 01:03:11.987
<v Mitch Green>I can say that over the last decade or more, but probably acutely over the last decade, more and more of the labor market has shifted toward Thank you.

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01:03:12.083 --> 01:03:26.903
<v Mitch Green>So these are sort of 1099 or contract-based labor in sectors that have very little protection, that are oftentimes feast and famine when it comes to the dollars that you earn.

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01:03:27.257 --> 01:03:35.398
<v Mitch Green>And I'll just share a vignette with a driver that I had a conversation with just the other night because I rode my bike to work and then it was in the middle of a heat wave and I was like, I'm not trying to ride this bike home.

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01:03:35.510 --> 01:03:36.666
<v Mitch Green>I forgot to charge it here.

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01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:47.248
<v Mitch Green>So I took a Lyft home, or I took an Uber home, and the entire ride I listened to the driver who was exacerbated about the economic conditions that he faces.

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01:03:47.954 --> 01:03:52.610
<v Mitch Green>And it's getting harder and harder and harder out there to just make ends meet.

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01:03:53.012 --> 01:04:04.394
<v Mitch Green>And so when you also look at the rest of the political world that we inhabit, whether we're talking about the local or the federal level, you have people who are putting in the work every single day to try to provide for their families.

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01:04:04.987 --> 01:04:09.014
<v Mitch Green>And then we nickel and dime them on fees and surcharges and the like.

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01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.293
<v Mitch Green>And sometimes we have to do that to pay for the infrastructure.

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01:04:11.871 --> 01:04:24.610
<v Mitch Green>But if we're not going to take one basic step to exercise our regulatory authority where we have it to provide some sort of bulwark against the erosion of the protections that these workers have, then we are failing those workers.

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01:04:24.802 --> 01:04:26.967
<v Mitch Green>And so it is an emergency in that regard.

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01:04:28.847 --> 01:04:36.617
<v Mitch Green>Today you could be driving, picking someone up from the airport, you could be in good standing, and tomorrow you can be deactivated like that, and there's no recourse.

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01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:39.297
<v Mitch Green>And now your family has to deal with that.

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01:04:40.041 --> 01:04:42.889
<v Mitch Green>And now you are maybe at risk of losing your housing.

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01:04:42.954 --> 01:04:46.659
<v Mitch Green>And then it— then you get connected to the broader set of crises that we have in the city.

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01:04:47.231 --> 01:04:51.286
<v Mitch Green>And so to me, this looks like a— this feels like a minimum step we have to take.

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01:04:51.643 --> 01:04:52.442
<v Mitch Green>It's not the end of it.

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01:04:53.402 --> 01:04:57.184
<v Mitch Green>Um, And there are a lot of workers who are in this sector now.

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01:04:58.340 --> 01:05:01.405
<v Mitch Green>And there's going to be other things that we talk about next week at the Public Works Committee.

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01:05:01.485 --> 01:05:05.144
<v Mitch Green>We're going to hear some discussion on autonomous vehicles.

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01:05:05.402 --> 01:05:07.023
<v Mitch Green>We're going to have a conversation around that.

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01:05:07.103 --> 01:05:14.454
<v Mitch Green>And for me and for this body, we have to recognize that these— this landscape of policy is all woven together.

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01:05:15.432 --> 01:05:25.690
<v Mitch Green>And so acting with the urgency that we need to in the moment, and I want to thank the city I also want to give special commendation to Councilor Loretta Smith because a lot of these conversations began with her.

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01:05:25.690 --> 01:05:32.050
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:35.510
<v Mitch Green>And I commend you for that.

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01:05:38.610 --> 01:05:44.969
<v Mitch Green>I also want— I want to give special commendation to Councilor Loretta Smith because a lot of these conversations began with her.

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01:05:45.052 --> 01:05:49.673
<v Mitch Green>In the Labor and Workforce Development Committee, and you always made room for the drivers.

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01:05:50.605 --> 01:05:51.664
<v Mitch Green>Not once, not twice.

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01:05:51.777 --> 01:05:57.956
<v Mitch Green>There were maybe 5 different meetings that we had that you guys raised the issue up and the councilor gave due airtime for.

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01:05:58.373 --> 01:06:01.887
<v Mitch Green>And so a lot of that early work happened in that committee that no longer exists.

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01:06:02.001 --> 01:06:32.166
<v Mitch Green>So I'm really grateful that that continuity transferred to City Life and that, and that the other councilors picked it And I'm sure by now there is some language that we can consider for an emergency ordinance, but I just think that if we want to think about economic development in the city of Portland, if we're not centering those of us who put in the work every single day, work long hours in dangerous conditions, who spend most of our paychecks, then we're not serious about economic development.

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01:06:32.954 --> 01:06:33.949
<v Mitch Green>So I just needed to name that.

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01:06:33.998 --> 01:06:35.893
<v Mitch Green>I wanted to thank you guys for what you do for Portlanders.

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01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:36.068
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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01:06:36.666 --> 01:06:47.623
<v Mitch Green>And, uh, you've kept me out of trouble many times, uh, when I should not be driving from point A to point B. I can pick up the phone, I can, you know, click a few buttons, and I got a safe ride home.

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01:06:48.045 --> 01:06:48.952
<v Mitch Green>So I appreciate y'all.

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01:06:49.407 --> 01:06:49.666
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

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01:06:49.893 --> 01:06:50.784
<v Eric Zimmerman>In a heat wave, right?

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01:06:51.271 --> 01:06:52.195
<v Mitch Green>In a heat wave, yeah.

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01:06:52.989 --> 01:06:55.356
<v Sameer Kanal>May I, uh, do you need another 30 seconds?

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01:06:55.838 --> 01:06:56.000
<v Jamie Dunphy>No?

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01:06:56.242 --> 01:06:56.724
<v Dylan Paul>We're ready.

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01:06:57.530 --> 01:07:00.137
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, but you're welcome to say a response if you'd like.

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01:07:00.186 --> 01:07:00.605
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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01:07:00.813 --> 01:07:02.536
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, for the record, Nathaniel Hudson Hartman.

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01:07:02.601 --> 01:07:03.485
<v Sameer Kanal>I use he/him pronouns.

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01:07:03.722 --> 01:07:10.583
<v Sameer Kanal>I've been a rideshare driver for over 9 years now and a proud advocate on behalf of drivers with Drivers Union Oregon.

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01:07:10.695 --> 01:07:13.710
<v Sameer Kanal>I just want to say thank you all so much.

745
01:07:14.288 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm like just overcome with emotion to think, you know, to not quite prepared for this to become an emergency ordinance.

746
01:07:22.465 --> 01:07:23.956
<v Sameer Kanal>I've learned that now that can become a thing.

747
01:07:24.003 --> 01:07:24.677
<v Sameer Kanal>That's really cool.

748
01:07:25.447 --> 01:07:32.436
<v Sameer Kanal>But just to think of the last year, how far we've come, and I just want to appreciate and recognize everyone who was in this building last week.

749
01:07:32.882 --> 01:07:35.311
<v Sameer Kanal>That recognizes that this is the start.

750
01:07:36.201 --> 01:07:37.106
<v Sameer Kanal>This is not the end.

751
01:07:37.172 --> 01:07:51.788
<v Sameer Kanal>We have so much that we need to accomplish to help our community, and it's just great to be getting this off of the ground and looking forward to collaborating and doing, you know, so much more to help our community.

752
01:07:51.853 --> 01:07:52.581
<v Sameer Kanal>So thank you all.

753
01:07:53.715 --> 01:07:54.331
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

754
01:07:55.172 --> 01:07:55.708
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

755
01:07:56.550 --> 01:07:57.068
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thanks.

756
01:07:57.117 --> 01:08:17.171
<v Sameer Kanal>I forgot to mention, I actually asked— I was I was traveling over the course of earlier this month, and I asked 2 drivers in Los Angeles about a driver's resource center because I have things that aren't work to talk about, and I do that, but I also talk about work even when I'm traveling.

757
01:08:17.750 --> 01:08:24.510
<v Sameer Kanal>And both of them, the level of enthusiasm that they had was really, really interesting, and I don't know what it's like in LA.

758
01:08:25.152 --> 01:08:27.672
<v Sameer Kanal>In the broader economic conditions of a driver there.

759
01:08:27.801 --> 01:08:34.706
<v Sameer Kanal>But it was really fascinating to me, and it was like, do that, do that immediately, and then help us get one here.

760
01:08:35.765 --> 01:08:41.466
<v Sameer Kanal>So you might get reached out to by some folks for advice after this.

761
01:08:42.091 --> 01:08:43.505
<v Sameer Kanal>They have our numbers.

762
01:08:44.822 --> 01:08:45.110
<v Dan Ryan>Cool.

763
01:08:45.367 --> 01:08:47.020
<v Sameer Kanal>And I just wanted to say that.

764
01:08:47.470 --> 01:08:53.335
<v Sameer Kanal>And, you know, I tend to take rideshare I hear a lot more when I'm traveling, but I do occasionally hear as well.

765
01:08:53.640 --> 01:09:01.606
<v Sameer Kanal>And it's something I've asked locally earlier also, but it was great to see that that's a common— well, it's not great.

766
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:10.612
<v Sameer Kanal>It's actually very bad that that's a common set of experiences that make people around the country want there to be localized driver resource centers in their communities.

767
01:09:12.367 --> 01:09:20.113
<v Sameer Kanal>But the existence of that and our knowledge of it gives us Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

768
01:09:20.386 --> 01:09:21.158
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

769
01:09:21.815 --> 01:09:23.100
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

770
01:09:23.518 --> 01:09:29.458
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You all should have an amendment in your inboxes that Devin sent at 2:56.

771
01:09:29.538 --> 01:09:32.043
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you to everybody for creating the time there.

772
01:09:32.108 --> 01:09:33.569
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's listed as Ryan 1.

773
01:09:33.634 --> 01:09:35.302
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Ryan, are you comfortable with that?

774
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:36.186
<v Dan Ryan>Yeah, yeah.

775
01:09:36.444 --> 01:09:37.278
<v Dan Ryan>I was working with Devin.

776
01:09:37.327 --> 01:09:38.081
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Perfect.

777
01:09:39.157 --> 01:09:42.046
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And Council President, I really just wanted to take a minute to thank the City Attorney for Thank you.

778
01:09:42.144 --> 01:09:42.529
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

779
01:09:42.689 --> 01:10:00.454
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just wanted to thank the drivers, both the leadership who are here in the room and the folks who are out on the streets every day and not in the room, for your patience, because this has been a long time coming, and it's, it's about bread and butter for your folks, right?

780
01:10:00.534 --> 01:10:10.653
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is about people's ability to advocate for their needs in the workplace in a Councilor Smith.

781
01:10:10.733 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Mayor.

782
01:10:12.338 --> 01:10:19.131
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you for your patience as we made sure we got it right so it can be something that is sustaining.

783
01:10:19.949 --> 01:10:29.021
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then I wanted to thank the folks who have supported this along the way, including all those who have been shouted out and all of the co-sponsors on the amendment.

784
01:10:29.101 --> 01:10:35.871
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I know a lot of other councilors have been involved in this work and, and have been interested in the work even if their names aren't on it as well.

785
01:10:35.984 --> 01:10:39.789
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I just want to make sure that we're spreading that credit around.

786
01:10:39.854 --> 01:10:51.506
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then thanks as well to folks at PBOT who have worked with us to make sure that the way we word this fits in with the regulatory body of work that already occurs.

787
01:10:52.412 --> 01:10:52.671
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

788
01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:53.724
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

789
01:10:54.112 --> 01:10:56.685
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Ryan, would you like to formally move Ryan 1?

790
01:10:57.689 --> 01:10:57.786
<v Dan Ryan>Sure.

791
01:10:58.485 --> 01:10:58.712
<v Dan Ryan>Read this.

792
01:10:59.779 --> 01:11:05.667
<v Dan Ryan>The council declares that an emergency exists due to the ongoing deactivation of rideshare drivers in Portland.

793
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:16.868
<v Dan Ryan>Immediate implementation of the deactivation requirements and establishment of the resource center are necessary to provide timely protection, support, and due process to affected drivers.

794
01:11:19.149 --> 01:11:20.038
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan moves.

795
01:11:20.297 --> 01:11:20.765
<v Jamie Dunphy>Ryan, 1.

796
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.574
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there a second?

797
01:11:21.865 --> 01:11:22.416
<v Angelita Morillo>Second.

798
01:11:22.577 --> 01:11:26.646
<v Jamie Dunphy>Ooh, that was a lot of I don't even know who that could possibly be.

799
01:11:26.875 --> 01:11:29.500
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I'm gonna say a Murillo.

800
01:11:29.646 --> 01:11:30.005
<v Jamie Dunphy>There we go.

801
01:11:30.970 --> 01:11:34.122
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there further discussion of Ryan 1?

802
01:11:35.595 --> 01:11:37.729
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see some concerned looks from my friends over here.

803
01:11:37.795 --> 01:11:38.296
<v Jamie Dunphy>You guys okay?

804
01:11:38.750 --> 01:11:38.863
<v Queesha Light>Okay.

805
01:11:39.984 --> 01:11:41.121
<v Rebecca Dobert>Just the second was Murillo?

806
01:11:41.219 --> 01:11:42.079
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're gonna call it Murillo.

807
01:11:42.274 --> 01:11:42.599
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

808
01:11:42.923 --> 01:11:43.979
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, cool.

809
01:11:44.141 --> 01:11:46.113
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of Ryan 1?

810
01:11:46.177 --> 01:11:46.766
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Novick?

811
01:11:47.306 --> 01:11:47.470
<v Steve Novick>No.

812
01:11:49.041 --> 01:11:49.792
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney?

813
01:11:50.663 --> 01:11:50.744
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

814
01:11:50.793 --> 01:11:50.970
<v Dylan Paul>Okay.

815
01:11:52.265 --> 01:11:57.002
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue for the discussion of Ryan 1, can we please call the roll?

816
01:11:57.872 --> 01:12:03.835
<v Rebecca Dobert>Calling the roll on the motion to add an emergency clause to document 2026-192 as shown in Ryan 1.

817
01:12:04.417 --> 01:12:06.283
<v Rebecca Dobert>Moved by Ryan, seconded by Murillo.

818
01:12:06.931 --> 01:12:07.484
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

819
01:12:07.824 --> 01:12:07.954
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

820
01:12:08.393 --> 01:12:08.798
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

821
01:12:09.367 --> 01:12:10.438
<v Angelita Morillo>You have done enough.

822
01:12:10.666 --> 01:12:10.713
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

823
01:12:11.314 --> 01:12:11.720
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

824
01:12:12.207 --> 01:12:12.256
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

825
01:12:12.581 --> 01:12:12.938
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

826
01:12:13.668 --> 01:12:13.716
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

827
01:12:14.140 --> 01:12:14.465
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

828
01:12:14.807 --> 01:12:14.856
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

829
01:12:15.328 --> 01:12:15.850
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

830
01:12:16.127 --> 01:12:16.159
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

831
01:12:21.006 --> 01:12:22.551
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Novick.

832
01:12:22.728 --> 01:12:22.760
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

833
01:12:22.936 --> 01:12:23.113
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

834
01:12:23.595 --> 01:12:23.612
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

835
01:12:23.837 --> 01:12:23.853
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

836
01:12:23.997 --> 01:12:24.014
<v Rebecca Dobert>Aye.

837
01:12:24.465 --> 01:12:24.512
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

838
01:12:25.028 --> 01:12:25.252
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan.

839
01:12:25.591 --> 01:12:25.671
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

840
01:12:26.088 --> 01:12:26.458
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy.

841
01:12:26.877 --> 01:12:27.006
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

842
01:12:27.761 --> 01:12:30.014
<v Rebecca Dobert>And the amendment is approved with 12 aye votes.

843
01:12:30.390 --> 01:12:34.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, to the now newly amended emergency ordinance.

844
01:12:34.060 --> 01:12:34.707
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Novick.

845
01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:36.470
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

846
01:12:36.568 --> 01:12:41.344
<v Steve Novick>I just wanted to echo what Nathaniel said and to say that this is a really important step, but it's the appetizer.

847
01:12:42.534 --> 01:12:55.881
<v Steve Novick>The ordinance on compensation will be the entree, and Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and the other sponsors and the drivers and PBOT are working together to ensure that that entree will be as nourishing and delicious as possible.

848
01:12:57.190 --> 01:12:58.095
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

849
01:13:00.420 --> 01:13:02.778
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there further discussion of the now amended emergency ordinance?

850
01:13:04.328 --> 01:13:07.297
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one in the queue, Rebecca, can we please call the roll?

851
01:13:07.992 --> 01:13:09.851
<v Rebecca Dobert>Calling the roll on emergency ordinance.

852
01:13:09.948 --> 01:13:11.502
<v Jamie Dunphy>Requires 9 votes to pass.

853
01:13:11.970 --> 01:13:14.332
<v Rebecca Dobert>Document number 2026-192.

854
01:13:15.125 --> 01:13:15.578
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

855
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:16.774
<v Olivia Clark>Proud to vote aye.

856
01:13:17.780 --> 01:13:18.186
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

857
01:13:18.672 --> 01:13:18.721
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

858
01:13:19.337 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

859
01:13:20.295 --> 01:13:20.425
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

860
01:13:20.814 --> 01:13:21.365
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

861
01:13:21.673 --> 01:13:21.722
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

862
01:13:22.338 --> 01:13:22.550
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

863
01:13:23.296 --> 01:13:23.377
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

864
01:13:24.010 --> 01:13:24.331
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

865
01:13:24.667 --> 01:13:24.684
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

866
01:13:25.230 --> 01:13:25.617
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

867
01:13:26.837 --> 01:13:28.011
<v Candace Avalos>Very proud of the advocates.

868
01:13:28.060 --> 01:13:28.461
<v Candace Avalos>Good job.

869
01:13:28.685 --> 01:13:28.702
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

870
01:13:29.280 --> 01:13:29.634
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

871
01:13:30.292 --> 01:13:30.341
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

872
01:13:31.048 --> 01:13:31.242
<v Rebecca Dobert>Knell?

873
01:13:31.739 --> 01:13:31.787
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

874
01:13:32.382 --> 01:13:32.849
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

875
01:13:33.127 --> 01:13:33.305
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

876
01:13:33.695 --> 01:13:33.988
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

877
01:13:34.265 --> 01:13:34.280
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

878
01:13:34.784 --> 01:13:35.141
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

879
01:13:35.500 --> 01:13:36.215
<v Jamie Dunphy>Congratulations all.

880
01:13:36.621 --> 01:13:36.636
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

881
01:13:36.962 --> 01:13:38.587
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

882
01:13:39.074 --> 01:13:40.016
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all very much.

883
01:13:41.885 --> 01:13:44.105
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call item number 12 now?

884
01:13:46.170 --> 01:13:46.962
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, wait, 11.

885
01:13:47.091 --> 01:13:47.641
<v Jamie Dunphy>Item 11.

886
01:13:48.224 --> 01:13:48.757
<v Jamie Dunphy>I jumped ahead.

887
01:13:49.744 --> 01:13:51.346
<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 11.

888
01:13:51.685 --> 01:13:51.993
<v Olivia Clark>11.

889
01:13:53.222 --> 01:13:53.497
<v Dori Hellier>Thank you.

890
01:13:54.291 --> 01:14:10.833
<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 11, amend partial and full exemptions of system development charges for affordable housing developments code To temporarily remove income requirements for homeownership units, amend Code Section 30.01.095, document number 2026-205.

891
01:14:11.962 --> 01:14:12.850
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

892
01:14:13.011 --> 01:14:15.255
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

893
01:14:16.072 --> 01:14:20.453
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Claire Adamsick with Council Operations is supposed to be here, I believe.

894
01:14:21.163 --> 01:14:25.511
<v Candace Avalos>Well, Council President, I was going to ask, since this was continued, we already did the—.

895
01:14:25.545 --> 01:14:26.564
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, we did do that already, didn't we?

896
01:14:26.634 --> 01:14:26.789
<v Rebecca Dobert>Yeah.

897
01:14:27.042 --> 01:14:32.944
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, I'm just gonna turn it over to Councilor Avalos then very briefly if you have any other remarks to catch us up or we can jump into—.

898
01:14:32.944 --> 01:14:38.588
<v Candace Avalos>No, I said it all in my last time, so I don't have anything else to add.

899
01:14:38.766 --> 01:14:38.912
<v Zelaine Nunn>Thanks.

900
01:14:38.978 --> 01:14:39.349
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sounds good.

901
01:14:39.511 --> 01:14:39.899
<v Rebecca Dobert>Perfect.

902
01:14:40.900 --> 01:14:41.322
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

903
01:14:42.016 --> 01:14:46.255
<v Rebecca Dobert>So colleagues, there are a number of amendments that have been proposed.

904
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:47.729
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I see 2 specifically.

905
01:14:47.908 --> 01:14:52.106
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd like to turn it over to Councilor Pirtle-Guiney to introduce hers.

906
01:14:53.068 --> 01:14:54.319
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

907
01:14:54.913 --> 01:15:05.688
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I raised some concerns when this was before us in committee because, um, we, you know, that— let me take a step back.

908
01:15:06.250 --> 01:15:17.457
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The discussion around this in committee was around, um, the fact that perhaps the work we had done on other SDC proposals had made it harder to sell these houses.

909
01:15:18.997 --> 01:15:32.841
<v Eric Zimmerman>Then as we got into some of the details of the discussion, it became clear that we were actually looking at a challenge around the market and a challenge around finding the right buyers for these houses.

910
01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:57.903
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I feel strongly that if we lay out a policy, a policy that folks who make what is in this case an average wage for community should have the opportunity to find a home that is affordable to them to buy, that we shouldn't undo that policy because the homes aren't selling.

911
01:15:58.689 --> 01:16:05.427
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We should lean into the policy and figure out why they're not selling and provide the tools necessary to ensure that they can sell.

912
01:16:06.711 --> 01:16:13.675
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Having raised that concern, I didn't think it was fair to come to council without some proposal to try to move us in that direction.

913
01:16:14.850 --> 01:16:21.365
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So working with Councilor Koyama Lane, thank you for your partnership on this.

914
01:16:23.011 --> 01:16:26.778
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have an amendment for us to consider today that does 2 things.

915
01:16:27.774 --> 01:16:36.278
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Rather than simply remove the income requirement before us, go from an income requirement of 100% of Thank you.

916
01:16:36.341 --> 01:16:41.336
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So we're talking about median area, median income to homes available for anybody.

917
01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:42.363
<v Jamie Dunphy>We stair-step it.

918
01:16:42.828 --> 01:16:51.773
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If a home isn't selling, let's allow a slightly higher income level individual an opportunity to try to purchase it.

919
01:16:51.885 --> 01:16:57.505
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>120% After 60 days, 140% after 120 days.

920
01:16:58.099 --> 01:17:04.202
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then if a home is still on the market after 180 days, Remove that income requirement altogether.

921
01:17:05.149 --> 01:17:10.708
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But at the same time, let's lean into the policy itself and ensuring the policy can work.

922
01:17:10.854 --> 01:17:20.800
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so this amendment does two other things in the therefore parts of the the code change before us.

923
01:17:20.978 --> 01:17:26.877
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That first was a change to the code, to the exhibit, but in the therefore portions.

924
01:17:27.305 --> 01:17:42.126
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Of the language before us, add a B and a C. And B would say that the— would direct the city administrator, and through the city administrator, the housing bureau, to identify funds that may be used for down payment assistance.

925
01:17:42.735 --> 01:17:51.020
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Again, to lean into that policy, what do we need to do to make these homes actually affordable for individuals who make 100% of median income?

926
01:17:51.567 --> 01:18:06.226
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And to report back to us by October 1st what funds might be available for that work, what the balance of those funds are, and if there are any current planned or reasonably anticipated uses for those funds.

927
01:18:06.420 --> 01:18:14.511
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What would this work be competing against, and is it something that we think is more or less important than this topic so that we can make some decisions there?

928
01:18:15.395 --> 01:18:38.949
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then second, in the, the new C, It asks the Housing Bureau, again through the city administrator, to market these programs because another piece we have heard is that the appropriate buyers for these homes, folks at that income level, are not always getting the information about the programs that are available to them.

929
01:18:40.283 --> 01:19:15.149
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>A significant amount of marketing already happens through our Housing Bureau, but to make sure that we are doing that work to the fullest extent practicable and looking at places where we might be able to have better coordination with lenders and real estate professionals so that individuals at 100% of median income, or if a house doesn't sell, 120%, 140%, know that these opportunities exist so that we can lean into the policy choice we've made in the past rather than Thank you, Councilor.

930
01:19:15.197 --> 01:19:16.872
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Are you wanting us to move amendments now?

931
01:19:17.002 --> 01:19:17.211
<v Candace Avalos>Are you—.

932
01:19:17.645 --> 01:19:21.720
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, I would move, uh, Pirtle-Guiney/Koyama Lane 1.

933
01:19:22.719 --> 01:19:23.668
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, there we go.

934
01:19:23.765 --> 01:19:26.310
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney moves, Councilor Koyama Lane seconds.

935
01:19:26.970 --> 01:19:32.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of Pirtle-Guiney/Koyama Lane 1?

936
01:19:33.456 --> 01:19:34.233
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

937
01:19:35.729 --> 01:19:35.859
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thanks.

938
01:19:36.569 --> 01:19:58.347
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So when this item was discussed at committee, my first questions were around how eliminating the income limit would negatively impact families, specifically families that would qualify under the current income limit and make it harder for those families making $128,300 or less to complete— to compete and purchase a home.

939
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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>You know, after asking quite a bit of questions in committee, I'm not convinced that we should Completely remove the income requirement entirely.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I think this amendment does do a good job of introducing a phased or laddered timeline that makes a window for families that are at or near the MFI threshold to find ways to purchase these homes.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think this amendment preserves the original purpose of the Affordable Housing SDC exemption program and also expands at the same time the pool of qualified buyers for these homes.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I would appreciate the support from my colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I put myself in the queue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I had a couple of technical sort of clarifying questions on this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we know that— I mean, what the level of administrative burden would be of implementing something like this?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm worried about— well, we've heard repeatedly that the Housing Bureau staff are, uh, very tight in their time, and this seems like a pretty heavy burden.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I'm happy to share the communication that we got from the Housing Bureau director, who I see coming up as well.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Essentially what I would say is that our staff have— my staff have worked with the Housing Bureau, and this proposal is not without an administrative You're right.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This proposal certainly is— makes it a little more difficult to do the verification.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There is a verification that already exists, that 100% of AMI verification.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So compared to the underlying, which removes that altogether, it's a significant administrative burden compared to the status quo, what we have without moving this ordinance.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think the question is, is it a significant administrative burden?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is it fair to describe it as a slightly greater administrative burden because there are those checkpoints on a check that already happens?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would contend that there are large challenges right now to folks' ability to afford a home, and I think the decision that we need to make today is whether we want to continue to prioritize that policy and whether we're willing to accept a small additional administrative burden to do so, or whether that policy, affordable homeownership for folks making the average wage in our community, is not a policy priority at this time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And just sort of following up on that, do you think that— I mean, do we have a sense of the number of existing homes as of right this second that are Uh, that this would apply to?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, that's my questions.

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<v Queesha Light>I think I know the number, but I want to make sure.

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<v Queesha Light>I think it's somewhere in that— around 200 to 400 homes that this could apply to.

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<v Zelaine Nunn>I can't remember.

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<v Dori Hellier>Oh, so yeah, thank you.

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<v Dori Hellier>So just to clarify, um, I'm Dori Hellier and I manage the Development incentives programs, and it was how many homes do we believe fall within this category.

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<v Dori Hellier>Yeah, we're estimating, um, around 200 to 400 depending on current status of ones that are pending for sale.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And that's like 200 to 400, like, physical buildings that exist in Portland today?

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<v Andy Galizia>Yes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That are just sort of vacant or unable to move.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And just so I'm clear, no one is currently building under this program right now since we have a citywide SDC waiver.

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<v Dylan Paul>Is that right?

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<v Dori Hellier>We do receive a handful of applications still when developers are seeking other incentives that are related, such as for exemption of tree fees.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And there are others still building under the same requirements in order to receive a tax exemption that benefits the buyers and And recognizing that there is, as Councilor Pirtle-Guiney said, there's an administrative burden, do you think that your bureau would require additional resources or would have to stop doing other things in order to prioritize this?

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<v Queesha Light>So, Councilor Queesha Light, for the record, Queesha Light, interim director.

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<v Queesha Light>I think if we look at this program just by itself, that's one thing.

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<v Queesha Light>But the reality is, is that Dori's team is managing multiple programs.

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<v Queesha Light>And so when you add programs that have all these distinctions and nuances within them, that's when for us the administrative burden comes in because you're adding on to multiple programs that already exist and they all have all these nuances.

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<v Queesha Light>And Dori has a small team that is trying, and their map of these programs is honestly—.

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<v Loretta Smith>It's a map.

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<v Queesha Light>Something, you know, that should be hanging on a wall in, in an art museum because it does not— it is a web of if this, then this, if this, then this, if this, then this.

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<v Queesha Light>And so yes, resourcing— resources would be necessary to keep doing these things.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Maria.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Uh, thank you, Council President.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, can we have Matt Gander come up as Well, to answer some questions on the just I just have some questions on the language of the amendment.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I I think I'm curious for the the sponsors of the amendment why it's so specific to say it says additional down payment assistance rather than writing something that's a little bit more general because my understanding is that Title 30 tends to be about general affordable housing support.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I understand that there's an emphasis on homeownership that we're trying to strike, but I also feel like there are so many challenges in the affordable housing space generally that I'm kind of wondering if we should make that a little bit more general.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I guess first, that's my question for legislative intent from you, and then I'll have some questions for Matt.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The policy intent here was that because we are looking at loosening the income requirements requirements for a homeownership program.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We look simultaneously at providing additional assistance for folks who are seeking to undertake homeownership under this program.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We didn't specifically call out this program when we talked about down payment assistance because that seemed like it would get too narrow, but the goal here was to say if this Gotcha.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Anything you want to add?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The only thing I wanted to add is it was hard for me to understand and get clear on the language.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>If this homeownership program wasn't working, or if there were developers that felt like we got in line and the rules were one way, and, and when we got in line, we had to make sure that there were income requirements for when we sold these buildings, sold these units.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But now you made an SDC waiver for everyone, so we want to— we don't want to have to jump through those same hoops.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Loretta Smith.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The rules changed when we got in line.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It was unclear how— when I asked questions how many of these buildings, how long they had been on the market, it was said that right next door there's going to be buildings where people don't have to do the same income requirements.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>But we just passed that SDC waiver in the fall.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So it was unclear, are there really buildings side by side?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And are we taking opportunities off the market for people who can't afford, who are at this level and would be able to buy a home because they qualify for their— because of their salary or not?

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<v Zelaine Nunn>Gotcha.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, that's helpful context.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think what— I like the amendment generally.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think what I, based on what you said and I would like to hear from you as well, Mr. Gander, is that the— to me, it would make sense to change that part into and making it more general.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I think I would change the language instead of additional down payment assistance to instead say affordable housing support opportunities.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Is there any reason, Attorney, why we shouldn't make it more general like that, or do you think that would work either way?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think either way is fine.

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<v Andy Galizia>Uh, Matt Gander, for the record.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, do you have any preference for either?

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<v Candace Avalos>No.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Okay, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Mr. President.

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<v Mitch Green>Um, having a little trouble with the amendment, and it's not for lack— I, I know that you guys are well-intentioned and you're, you're trying to make— you're trying to get to a place where your concerns are assuaged with this, and I, I see that here.

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<v Mitch Green>I think the thing that I'm concerned about is my understanding of this dynamic is that through accidents of history, through maybe the fact that we weren't thinking broadly enough when we did an SDC exemption, we placed a new hurdle on an already strained market condition.

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<v Mitch Green>You have high interest rates and you've got soft And so if you've got new construction that's basically at par, then you're going to have all this other stock under this other program that's going to lie fallow for, for, for a while while this other stuff gets sold.

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<v Mitch Green>And my concern with that dynamic is the, the segment of the market that's being sold Yes.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is the segment of the —served market that's being sold.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Mitch Green>By this kind of means-tested homeownership, you know, production, we risk those providers going belly up.

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<v Mitch Green>And they bring with them capabilities that serve this target population.

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<v Mitch Green>So they bring with them the ability to market and work with lenders, to work through the paperwork to make sure that folks know about these opportunities.

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<v Mitch Green>And if they go out of business because we can't kind of correct the uneven playing field that we created, then that's capability that we've lost that we need to try to get back somehow when the market does pick up and then there is more demand chasing a tighter supply of housing.

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<v Mitch Green>And it also means that they don't have the ability to recycle their capital into a new pipeline development and take advantage of some of the other residential infill project and maybe, God willing, the Inner Eastside for All project to ramp up production.

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<v Mitch Green>So I think if we— I think this amendment makes it more difficult for them to dispose of their properties.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think we would require— if I'm looking at Section B of the directive part of the resolution or the ordinance, it looks like it's repurposing scarce resources to then focus on these types of properties that would otherwise go to programs like the North-Northeast Preference Policy or some of the other kind of homeownership efforts that we were trying to cultivate and develop.

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<v Mitch Green>And colleagues, down payment assistance dollars don't go very far.

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<v Mitch Green>They really don't.

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<v Mitch Green>And so if you take that capital out and you say that's a priority, we just had a presentation in the Housing Committee on the North Northeast preference policy work over the last decade, and it's good work.

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<v Mitch Green>The message, though, in there was that we need more money for down payment assistance.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I'm worried that if we if we say we want to prioritize down payment assistance for those at or below 100% median to help solve this problem, then we're going to pull resources away from that North Northeast preference policy problem.

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<v Mitch Green>The other piece is.

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<v Mitch Green>The underlying ordinance has 2 protections that preserve, I think, the intent here.

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<v Mitch Green>It's a— there's a sale price cap on $400,000, so you're not in a situation where someone's— some wealthy person is going to come in and speculate and bid up the price of this house.

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<v Mitch Green>It is capped at $400,000.

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<v Mitch Green>So there might be a queuing problem, but we are in a soft market, so there is not much of a queuing problem.

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<v Mitch Green>The other piece is this can't be a speculative investment property.

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<v Candace Avalos>Right.

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<v Mitch Green>This is supposed to be your primary residence.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I think if we were to adopt this amendment, it would add more reporting requirements and actually further complicate the ability of the— there's like 3 different tranches of incomes to check, and it further complicates the ability of these developers to sign contracts to get these things off of their books so they can get into the business of developing the next property.

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<v Mitch Green>And we need a lot more housing built.

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<v Mitch Green>And so— Councilor Dan Ryan.

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<v Mitch Green>So I'm not supportive of the amendment as it stands.

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<v Mitch Green>I'm just seeing it, so I'm still digesting it.

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<v Mitch Green>So I'll listen to the balance of the conversation.

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<v Mitch Green>But I want to note that these are not large, greedy developers.

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<v Mitch Green>These are very small boutique developers who operate on very thin margins.

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<v Mitch Green>And bankruptcy is real, and liquidation is a policy choice we could choose, but that's much closer to bankruptcy than a foreclosure.

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<v Dylan Paul>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>Me too.

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<v Mitch Green>Closer to kind of like free market economics than it is something else.

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<v Mitch Green>And so that's my understanding of the dynamic and the state of play here.

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<v Mitch Green>And that's why I'm hesitant to support the amendment, even though I know what you're trying to do is to serve the people I care about too.

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<v Mitch Green>So I'll just kind of leave it there for now.

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<v Mitch Green>And if folks want to like grill me too, I'm happy to be in cross-dais dialogue and defend my case.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Council President, may I respond?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sure.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Is that okay?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Yeah.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I appreciate what you shared, and I think it's trying to find the— how to thread the needle with balancing the importance of what you just said, developers being able to dispose of properties, and also making sure that homes that were built with the intention of them being for families who meet certain Qualifications, that they also have access to those.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So I do see this as an attempt at a compromise between just lifting all of those income requirements and then, you know, having the ones that are holding back certain families to accessing these homes.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>I see that as some sort of in-between.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And what I felt in our committee is I could not see that there were steps taken in between that and that the Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, I agree with, uh, Councilor Green because I'm looking through, uh, my district, and my district has new properties that have been on the market for, uh, 2 years, 3 years, 245 days, 336 days, 246, and they range in between $220,000 a year to, um, $349,000 a year.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so those are— and these are brand new properties.

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<v Loretta Smith>Uh, no one is buying them.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so that may work in District 2.

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<v Loretta Smith>We have a different, um, you have different residents there that can afford different types of levels of housing.

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<v Loretta Smith>But for my district, if you're talking about some of these folks who are developers, they can't— they need their capital stack to build.

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<v Loretta Smith>They can't wait 245 days, 330, over a year for some of these folks.

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<v Loretta Smith>And adding some of these restrictions in this amendment is going to make it Yes.

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<v Loretta Smith>Very difficult for those folks.

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<v Loretta Smith>And, you know, and they may not even— and let me tell you the zip codes they're in: 97220, 97236, 97230, and 97233, uh, and 97266 out in, uh, Lentz.

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<v Loretta Smith>So they can't afford to keep their capital in, in a project and not sell these, these, uh, type of, uh, of, uh, units.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I think it would make it much more difficult, and they'd be in the same position that they're in right now.

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<v Loretta Smith>So I wouldn't be supporting it.

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<v Loretta Smith>Um, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, I am a big fan of trying to make sure that people who are at the 60th percentile to the 120th percentile, that they're able to buy homes.

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<v Loretta Smith>But this is going to put a huge burden on a group of folks to build these kinds of houses, and it's not going to be good for us.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>Uh, I agree with much of what was just said by Councilor Smith and earlier by Councilor Green.

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<v Dan Ryan>The people who approached the Housing Committee, as I recall, and then worked with DC Oliveira, um, I recall Justin Wood, um, and I can't remember the name of the, the Construction firm, but it doesn't matter.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's, uh, he's the one that's been doing this, this work for a long time.

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<v Dan Ryan>Did you have conversations with the actual builders?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You know, this was brought forward by the committee chair as something that she had been working on.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, there was one builder who testified, uh, but there was not a, a significant number of So no, we did not, in developing this, work directly with those builders.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What we tried to do was balance the intent of the program, the calls for the change we had heard, and make sure with the bureau that it was workable.

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01:38:01.738 --> 01:38:11.228
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I try to generally work with stakeholders, but because there wasn't a big stakeholder group there, we were told this had come from the chair, we didn't have those groups to work with.

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01:38:11.621 --> 01:38:11.865
<v Dan Ryan>Okay.

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01:38:12.421 --> 01:38:13.435
<v Dan Ryan>I think this does get up to council.

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01:38:13.608 --> 01:38:20.051
<v Dan Ryan>Supply, and this amendment goes against the spirit of just trying to make a simple fix for a very specific policy.

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01:38:20.805 --> 01:38:24.060
<v Dan Ryan>And now we could be adding a new unintended consequence.

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01:38:24.877 --> 01:38:36.002
<v Dan Ryan>And sadly, this council has had a history of adding these type of amendments that add unintended consequences that have impacted the supply of housing in the city of Portland and low-income housing specifically.

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01:38:36.500 --> 01:38:38.729
<v Dan Ryan>So I can't support this amendment.

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01:38:38.824 --> 01:38:39.016
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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01:38:39.210 --> 01:38:39.417
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

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01:38:40.109 --> 01:38:41.087
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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01:38:41.167 --> 01:38:41.793
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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01:38:42.774 --> 01:38:43.737
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

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01:38:44.203 --> 01:38:46.755
<v Steve Novick>I echo what Councilor Green and Councilor Smith have said.

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01:38:47.092 --> 01:39:05.251
<v Steve Novick>I also want to say that a concern I've heard is that in this housing market, there's comparably priced homes available to people who meet the income requirements who would prefer to buy those homes because meeting— as I think Councilor Avalos has said, proving that you're poor is a pain in the neck.

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01:39:06.478 --> 01:39:10.577
<v Steve Novick>So I think that's something that— I used to work on Medicaid eligibility issues.

1107
01:39:10.689 --> 01:39:13.853
<v Steve Novick>I mean, it's really familiar with how much of a pain in the neck it is to prove that you're poor.

1108
01:39:14.015 --> 01:39:15.418
<v Steve Novick>So I think that's another factor to be considered.

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01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:17.756
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1110
01:39:18.061 --> 01:39:19.333
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:39:20.090 --> 01:39:21.250
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1112
01:39:21.363 --> 01:39:31.833
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I wanted to just address a couple of things that have been called out in testimony, and I also want to Councilor Smith.

1113
01:39:31.881 --> 01:39:32.251
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Mayor.

1114
01:39:32.298 --> 01:39:36.176
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just want to be clear that this solution is not an elegant solution.

1115
01:39:36.689 --> 01:39:49.333
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I recognize that we were trying to figure out how to address the need that was brought forward while still maintaining the policy goals of the underlying program, and there wasn't an elegant way to do that.

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01:39:50.390 --> 01:40:01.121
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I do want to note that in the amendment to the exhibit, the language around number of days is after a property is listed on the market.

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01:40:01.875 --> 01:40:16.454
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So the concern that Councilor Green raised and those homes that Councilor Smith identified, homes that had been on the market for 245, 336, 246 days, are all well past that 180-day marker.

1118
01:40:17.096 --> 01:40:22.783
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If this amendment were to pass and the underlying ordinance were to pass, those would all be eligible Councilor Smith.

1119
01:40:22.895 --> 01:40:23.122
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Mayor.

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01:40:23.251 --> 01:40:36.405
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So the language in the ordinance is still eligible to sell at— to any buyer without any income restriction because the language is not tied to the passage of this amendment and this ordinance, but rather to when properties were listed on the market.

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01:40:36.957 --> 01:40:59.529
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that was done very intentionally knowing that we have a backlog, but that this applies to properties built over a period of time, a time Capped period of time, but nonetheless one that's extensive enough that we might have properties that fall into each of those different tiers of days on the market right now.

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01:41:02.430 --> 01:41:16.056
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also, can I, I'm sorry, I would like to flag one other thing, which is that the upper portions of the amendment, specifically Section B, does not redirect any funding.

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01:41:16.362 --> 01:41:29.930
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It simply asks what's available so that we can make an informed decision about whether this is a program whose underlying policy goals we still want to lean into or whether we don't.

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01:41:30.555 --> 01:41:46.003
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And to suggest that this would pull money from other programs, particularly from the North and Northeast Housing Preference Policy Program, where we have heard loud and clear, more down payment assistance is absolutely needed, is this does no such thing.

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01:41:46.601 --> 01:41:50.952
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This identifies sources and allows us to make informed decisions later.

1126
01:41:51.594 --> 01:42:01.207
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would contend that we should be looking at ways to support homeownership across programs that already exist more robustly.

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01:42:02.220 --> 01:42:02.527
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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01:42:03.010 --> 01:42:03.944
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:42:04.216 --> 01:42:04.845
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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01:42:05.634 --> 01:42:05.956
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1131
01:42:06.180 --> 01:42:08.096
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, technical question, then a substantive one.

1132
01:42:08.274 --> 01:42:10.623
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, technical question for the administrator.

1133
01:42:10.769 --> 01:42:13.747
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, October 1st, 2026 is proposed here.

1134
01:42:13.827 --> 01:42:14.953
<v Sameer Kanal>Are there any concerns on that?

1135
01:42:16.844 --> 01:42:17.132
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not sure.

1136
01:42:17.229 --> 01:42:20.704
<v Sameer Kanal>I have to defer to staff to kind of answer that one if there's any concerns on that one.

1137
01:42:21.332 --> 01:42:32.194
<v Queesha Light>I would say the challenge that we have right now is we have unified housing strategy, we have social housing report, we have a whole bunch of things that are coming due at the same time.

1138
01:42:33.729 --> 01:42:38.546
<v Queesha Light>And I didn't think about all of that until I was sitting here and the date was said again.

1139
01:42:38.627 --> 01:42:39.911
<v Queesha Light>I was like, oh my gosh, October.

1140
01:42:40.247 --> 01:42:41.902
<v Queesha Light>No, that's not good for us.

1141
01:42:42.672 --> 01:42:49.030
<v Queesha Light>So I would say it would be good to have that moved out some because we have a lot right now.

1142
01:42:49.657 --> 01:42:57.349
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, I appreciate that answer and I'll leave it to the amendment sponsors to work on that.

1143
01:42:58.537 --> 01:43:07.207
<v Sameer Kanal>I just kind of need a little bit more on the, the concerns around North-Northeast preference policy because that obviously got, uh, everybody's, uh, attention, I think.

1144
01:43:07.368 --> 01:43:16.150
<v Sameer Kanal>And, um, and I just love to get a little bit more from Councilor Green as to the, the concern because I'm not on that committee, so I don't have that context.

1145
01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:26.090
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, but what I do, I do see like a plain text reading doesn't have any moving money, but I, I'm curious if I can get a little bit more there, um, at some point.

1146
01:43:26.171 --> 01:43:28.547
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, the— up to you whether you want to do it now or in the queue.

1147
01:43:28.838 --> 01:43:29.179
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1148
01:43:31.750 --> 01:43:32.461
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

1149
01:43:32.962 --> 01:43:35.293
<v Jamie Dunphy>Did you want to respond?

1150
01:43:35.470 --> 01:43:36.176
<v Mitch Green>I'm happy to.

1151
01:43:36.675 --> 01:43:46.264
<v Mitch Green>And Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, I appreciate you clarifying the intent of Sections B and C. I had misread that as more of a directive to reallocate, so that's— I apologize.

1152
01:43:47.037 --> 01:44:02.898
<v Mitch Green>Um, it is confusing, however, to put that in there And so as long as we're clear that the other parts of the amendment are not dependent upon some sort of report of findings here, is that what I'm understanding?

1153
01:44:04.958 --> 01:44:19.327
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The intent, and I will look to the attorney who reviewed this to make sure that that is how our legal counsel would interpret it as well, is that if the city If the amendment were to pass, the underlying ordinance would do 3 things.

1154
01:44:19.586 --> 01:44:25.685
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It would adopt a code change in Exhibit A, and the amendment provides some changes to that code change.

1155
01:44:26.945 --> 01:44:39.726
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It would direct the bureau through the city administrator to bring us a report on funds that could be used for down payment assistance, again, to help us keep the policy goal here by October 1st.

1156
01:44:39.792 --> 01:44:41.885
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if that date needs to be changed, that's Okay.

1157
01:44:42.158 --> 01:44:55.640
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Obviously, in an ideal world, we would have those funds before we lifted any income restrictions so that the 2 things could work in partnership, but that didn't feel workable to tie together.

1158
01:44:55.738 --> 01:44:59.286
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So they're operating on different timelines here.

1159
01:44:59.997 --> 01:45:13.765
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And the third is that it would ensure through C that we are marketing to the fullest extent practicable, including with our lenders and real estate professionals, some of which is certainly already happening.

1160
01:45:13.814 --> 01:45:17.131
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't want to diminish that at all, but make sure that we're maximizing it.

1161
01:45:17.698 --> 01:45:31.587
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So those are 3 separate things— that code change in Exhibit A, and then the 2 new requirements, which all operate independently but are related to ensuring that this program can be successful.

1162
01:45:32.167 --> 01:45:33.150
<v Mitch Green>Okay, that's helpful.

1163
01:45:33.425 --> 01:45:44.331
<v Mitch Green>And so So I will concede that passage of this amendment wouldn't necessarily follow that there would be a redirection of funds from efforts like the North-Northwest Policy.

1164
01:45:44.766 --> 01:45:54.466
<v Mitch Green>But I do raise it because we did hear that sort of state of the program presentation in the Housing and Permitting Committee recently.

1165
01:45:54.530 --> 01:45:59.096
<v Mitch Green>And the big takeaway was we have spent significant resources.

1166
01:45:59.194 --> 01:45:59.323
<v Dori Hellier>Yes.

1167
01:45:59.927 --> 01:46:08.429
<v Mitch Green>Under that policy for the purpose of building homeownership opportunities for the target population.

1168
01:46:09.432 --> 01:46:14.837
<v Mitch Green>And it's still several dozen to 100-some-odd households.

1169
01:46:15.274 --> 01:46:16.534
<v Mitch Green>And that's not a lot.

1170
01:46:16.648 --> 01:46:24.605
<v Mitch Green>It's meaningful for those households, but for the scale of the money, we're talking maybe about something like $300,000 to $400,000 per unit.

1171
01:46:24.734 --> 01:46:24.863
<v Mitch Green>Okay.

1172
01:46:24.992 --> 01:46:32.988
<v Mitch Green>And that's the assistance that's necessary all in to make sure that you put someone in that house and meet the intent.

1173
01:46:33.083 --> 01:47:01.006
<v Mitch Green>And so I get nervous every time we try to solve a policy gap by saying, well, we need more down payment assistance, especially in a market where if we don't make hay while the sun shines and try to sell off and kind of dispose from the balance sheets the real property that that was paid for on a previous lower-cost paradigm, then we're going to be getting into a situation where we have to chase more expensive goods with scarce dollars.

1174
01:47:01.824 --> 01:47:04.105
<v Mitch Green>And I'm always going to be really hesitant of that piece.

1175
01:47:04.170 --> 01:47:15.698
<v Mitch Green>And so the reason why I'm supporting the unamended underlying is it provides what I think is a much lower-cost mechanism to allow these developers to move forward and sell these houses.

1176
01:47:16.212 --> 01:47:19.853
<v Mitch Green>For like $20,000 to $30,000 a pop, maybe instead of a couple hundred thousand a pop.

1177
01:47:20.948 --> 01:47:25.773
<v Mitch Green>And so that way they can hit the reset switch and go out and try to build something new.

1178
01:47:25.822 --> 01:47:28.698
<v Mitch Green>So that's the basic underlying logic for me.

1179
01:47:30.918 --> 01:47:38.270
<v Mitch Green>I did feel it necessary to kind of correct my earlier statements on the sort of tight linkage of the redirect of the funding because I had misread that.

1180
01:47:38.368 --> 01:47:39.431
<v Mitch Green>So thanks for clarifying that.

1181
01:47:40.935 --> 01:47:41.198
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1182
01:47:41.998 --> 01:47:55.246
<v Mitch Green>I think my other concerns around the other thresholds and the 2 more stages of testing means is I don't see how that results in solving the problem, frankly.

1183
01:47:55.390 --> 01:48:10.920
<v Mitch Green>But I got to think a little bit more about what you said earlier, Councilor, about— you mentioned something about the timelines and the time hacks and you saying that there's no effective difference here, because if there's— if If most of these houses have already been on the market for 180 days or so, then maybe there's no point.

1184
01:48:11.449 --> 01:48:16.479
<v Mitch Green>But I'm just seeing this resolution before we walked in here, so I'm trying to process the things that you've said.

1185
01:48:16.769 --> 01:48:18.247
<v Mitch Green>So I'll shut up and process.

1186
01:48:19.387 --> 01:48:21.203
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that clarification.

1187
01:48:21.252 --> 01:48:23.565
<v Sameer Kanal>I think I still have the— yeah.

1188
01:48:23.726 --> 01:48:30.057
<v Sameer Kanal>And I share some of the questions around— well, I'll say concerns about means testing broadly, but that's the whole thing.

1189
01:48:30.733 --> 01:48:34.007
<v Sameer Kanal>So as it is, as it would be amended, and as it would be amending the amendment.

1190
01:48:34.569 --> 01:48:46.815
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I— since we were talking about the North Northeast Preference Policy, and since there is this piece here about actively marketing affordable housing programs, I don't think it necessarily needs to be, uh, changed textually.

1191
01:48:47.313 --> 01:48:54.014
<v Sameer Kanal>But if, uh, if this amendment should pass, I would, I would hope that this is— that we're doing culturally specific marketing as well.

1192
01:48:54.286 --> 01:48:56.802
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I just wanted to get that on the record while I have the floor.

1193
01:48:56.947 --> 01:48:57.188
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1194
01:48:57.332 --> 01:48:58.998
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1195
01:48:59.192 --> 01:49:01.435
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

1196
01:49:01.659 --> 01:49:02.717
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

1197
01:49:03.264 --> 01:49:12.240
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, just listening to this discussion, I definitely am leaning more towards the analysis that I think Councilors Novick and Green have outlined.

1198
01:49:12.738 --> 01:49:20.368
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think to Councilor— or to Council President Dunphy's point, I am a little bit concerned that PHB's capacity is reaching a limit.

1199
01:49:20.417 --> 01:49:36.466
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm definitely hearing you with all the reports we're making you do, and I expect that if and when this report comes out, the first question that we're going to have to answer is, are these funding sources for down payments also going to apply to this homeownership opportunity or this affordable housing opportunity?

1200
01:49:37.046 --> 01:49:40.479
<v Angelita Morillo>And that's sort of forcing PHBA to do that same work again.

1201
01:49:42.793 --> 01:49:46.270
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think the— some of the language is also just a little bit incongruent.

1202
01:49:46.641 --> 01:49:50.408
<v Angelita Morillo>Like in Section C, it says marketing on affordable housing.

1203
01:49:50.872 --> 01:49:54.585
<v Angelita Morillo>But then in B, it says a detailed report on down payments specifically.

1204
01:49:56.503 --> 01:50:06.470
<v Angelita Morillo>So because of that, I think I'm just leaning towards supporting the underlying without this unless— but I'm open to changing my mind as I listen to other folks talk about this a bit more.

1205
01:50:06.779 --> 01:50:07.103
<v Angelita Morillo>Thanks.

1206
01:50:07.653 --> 01:50:08.494
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Murillo.

1207
01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:09.872
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, just a programming note.

1208
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:11.101
<v Jamie Dunphy>We will get through this amendment.

1209
01:50:11.150 --> 01:50:13.645
<v Jamie Dunphy>We're gonna take a restroom break, come back for an additional amendment.

1210
01:50:14.756 --> 01:50:16.938
<v Jamie Dunphy>And then Councilor Avalos.

1211
01:50:18.902 --> 01:50:20.122
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, thank you.

1212
01:50:20.363 --> 01:50:21.054
<v Candace Avalos>Good discussion.

1213
01:50:21.166 --> 01:50:29.162
<v Candace Avalos>Um, like I have said before, I spent a lot of time trying to understand the problem with the ordinance and what it was trying to solve.

1214
01:50:29.659 --> 01:50:40.787
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and we heard that essentially the issue isn't the income limit, it's that these homes are competing against similarly priced homes that are built under that broader SDC exemption that doesn't require the verification.

1215
01:50:40.916 --> 01:50:46.583
<v Candace Avalos>So I don't see how this amendment is addressing Raising the income limit doesn't solve that competitive disadvantage.

1216
01:50:47.016 --> 01:50:51.432
<v Candace Avalos>It also doesn't address the broader affordability challenges that we're seeing with today's interest rates.

1217
01:50:51.512 --> 01:51:07.746
<v Candace Avalos>And so I see the way that the ordinance is written without the amendment is it's affecting about 200 homes, but it's still preserving important protections like the sale price caps, the owner occupancy requirements, and many of those homes are also going to be income restricted through other PHB programs.

1218
01:51:08.100 --> 01:51:14.622
<v Candace Avalos>So I think that the ordinance addresses the problem we're actually trying to solve, and I will be voting no on the amendment and yes on the ordinance.

1219
01:51:14.926 --> 01:51:15.181
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

1220
01:51:16.448 --> 01:51:17.282
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1221
01:51:17.409 --> 01:51:18.131
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

1222
01:51:18.547 --> 01:51:19.621
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

1223
01:51:19.668 --> 01:51:39.502
<v Olivia Clark>Just really briefly, I, I appreciate the intent of the 2 amendment co-sponsors, but I thought that we had— the underlying ordinance was really an elegant, simple solution to just moving the inventory, and I don't have a problem with that, and especially given what my colleague Councilor Green has said.

1224
01:51:39.953 --> 01:51:46.664
<v Olivia Clark>And I don't want to put any more administrative burdens and make this more difficult for the Housing Bureau, so I'm, I'm going to vote no on the amendment.

1225
01:51:47.564 --> 01:51:48.768
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1226
01:51:48.927 --> 01:51:49.474
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1227
01:51:50.309 --> 01:51:51.208
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1228
01:51:51.256 --> 01:51:56.619
<v Loretta Smith>I want to go back and answer one of Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's issues.

1229
01:51:56.731 --> 01:52:07.274
<v Loretta Smith>And so she said, since these These projects are over 246 under, you know, in days that they would be eligible to, uh, to buy at a higher rate.

1230
01:52:07.466 --> 01:52:09.454
<v Loretta Smith>But this is my point exactly.

1231
01:52:09.969 --> 01:52:12.743
<v Loretta Smith>They've had to wait already 246 days.

1232
01:52:12.855 --> 01:52:18.485
<v Loretta Smith>If that was lifted like 150 days ago, that would be okay.

1233
01:52:18.694 --> 01:52:23.923
<v Loretta Smith>But apparently the people who can buy these houses in this price point, they're not doing it.

1234
01:52:24.951 --> 01:52:32.099
<v Dan Ryan>There are other people who want this house who who may make a little bit more money, but they're not able to buy them.

1235
01:52:32.389 --> 01:52:35.291
<v Loretta Smith>So that is the other issue, leaving stock.

1236
01:52:35.372 --> 01:52:50.168
<v Loretta Smith>I mean, in most places— I remember a time in Portland where if you had a brand new house under $349,000, $220,000, $195,000, the minute that you put it on, it would be gone before you could get off work.

1237
01:52:50.524 --> 01:52:54.585
<v Loretta Smith>So That doesn't, that doesn't help for me.

1238
01:52:54.664 --> 01:53:04.583
<v Loretta Smith>I, I still think that it's adding too much administrative, um, bureaucracy on this program, and, uh, we need to help folks right now sell these houses now.

1239
01:53:06.390 --> 01:53:07.668
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1240
01:53:08.171 --> 01:53:08.738
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1241
01:53:11.490 --> 01:53:11.846
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1242
01:53:12.139 --> 01:53:24.302
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have a ton of concerns about this entire underlying, but to the amendment, I think that this I think this thread about making something more complicated is gaining traction for me.

1243
01:53:26.260 --> 01:53:30.783
<v Eric Zimmerman>Apologies for some harsh comments, but right now my faith is not in the Housing Bureau, right?

1244
01:53:30.847 --> 01:53:35.564
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have a lot of concerns about the future of the Housing Bureau and the ability to execute programs.

1245
01:53:35.628 --> 01:53:42.454
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so making something more complicated is not something I feel like can be executed well.

1246
01:53:42.827 --> 01:53:44.493
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I would have concerns here.

1247
01:53:44.542 --> 01:53:44.979
<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor Dan Ryan.

1248
01:53:47.159 --> 01:54:08.492
<v Eric Zimmerman>The inability to just get straight answers from the Housing Bureau, from Home Forward, from the entire affordable housing industry right now, I think is leading us to try and shoehorn in some solutions without a lot of straight answers on the problem we're trying to solve.

1249
01:54:08.798 --> 01:54:09.735
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that's a problem.

1250
01:54:09.930 --> 01:54:10.301
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so—.

1251
01:54:10.318 --> 01:54:10.787
<v Ghalib bin Imhotep El>I think that's a fair point.

1252
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I do see the intent here for the sponsors.

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01:54:15.627 --> 01:54:21.546
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, like I said, I'm not sure I even like the underline that much.

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01:54:23.023 --> 01:54:29.391
<v Eric Zimmerman>I care a lot about these income restrictions and I'm not sure what solution we think we will have done at the end of this.

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01:54:30.145 --> 01:54:46.310
<v Eric Zimmerman>But this amendment, having a cascading of different times and different amounts is, I guess I'm just, I'm missing the, Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

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01:54:46.310 --> 01:54:47.609
<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:54:47.609 --> 01:54:49.470
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President and colleagues.

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01:54:49.470 --> 01:54:50.289
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you for your feedback.

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01:54:51.090 --> 01:55:00.409
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There have been a lot of things said about this underlying that are very interesting to me and, and a lot of reasons for its need that have been pointed out.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I think that— I think it was Councilor Clark who said it who best, that we need to make sure that we're really laid out what it seemed to me the underlying was for, which is just move inventory.

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01:55:11.805 --> 01:55:37.271
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And when I saw the underlying before me and the reasons for it that were brought forward, that it's too hard to verify people's income, that people who Can buy these houses under the restrictions, maybe are buying other houses because of that, or maybe can't afford to buy a house at all.

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01:55:37.431 --> 01:55:45.909
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There have been many reasons thrown out for the need for this, but the reality is this is about allowing folks to just move inventory.

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01:55:46.985 --> 01:55:58.431
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so I would ask if our underlying goal with this program is to make it easier for people who make An average wage— I'm not talking about low-income folks here, y'all.

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01:55:58.496 --> 01:56:08.036
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're talking about people who make an average wage in our community and can't afford to buy a home without some intervention in the market.

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01:56:08.342 --> 01:56:09.279
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is that a policy goal?

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01:56:09.878 --> 01:56:16.337
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In which case, how do we solve the concerns that have been brought forward by developers in a way that still meets that policy goal?

1267
01:56:17.989 --> 01:56:18.703
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Or is it not?

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01:56:19.125 --> 01:56:30.979
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And do we want to just move the inventory and say that ensuring that we're doing everything we can so that folks making an average wage can buy a home have that opportunity.

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01:56:31.412 --> 01:56:44.868
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Because when we remove the income restriction, what we will do is say that this home that has a capped price can be purchased by anyone, whether or not they need that capped price.

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01:56:46.337 --> 01:57:15.568
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And so I just want to be really clear about the reasons we brought this forward and what the underlying changes in terms of our, our policy thrust versus what we were trying to get at, which is addressing concerns that were brought up while still maintaining the underlying policy goal of ensuring people who make an average wage in our community have the opportunity for homeownership as well.

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01:57:16.515 --> 01:57:21.252
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I just, I want to be really clear about that as we move toward a vote.

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01:57:21.412 --> 01:57:22.279
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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01:57:22.536 --> 01:57:23.484
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:57:23.756 --> 01:57:26.533
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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01:57:27.193 --> 01:57:27.434
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

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01:57:27.529 --> 01:57:29.055
<v Eric Zimmerman>I mean, I think those are good points.

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01:57:29.216 --> 01:57:34.434
<v Eric Zimmerman>What I'm trying to say is I don't see how your amendment is making that difference.

1278
01:57:34.595 --> 01:57:36.505
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm actually not sure how the underlying is making that difference.

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01:57:37.404 --> 01:57:37.581
<v Eric Zimmerman>Right?

1280
01:57:37.742 --> 01:57:41.417
<v Eric Zimmerman>$455,000 Is the cap that's in this document.

1281
01:57:42.125 --> 01:57:43.425
<v Eric Zimmerman>$128,000.

1282
01:57:44.051 --> 01:57:47.295
<v Eric Zimmerman>We're really talking about people buying houses at 50% of their take-home pay.

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01:57:48.659 --> 01:58:00.396
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I, I, that's where all of this— when I say shoehorning into a solution, I'm not sure that we're shoehorning into anything other than like we moved some numbers and the same problem exists 30 days from now that existed 30 days ago.

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01:58:01.006 --> 01:58:02.274
<v Eric Zimmerman>That, that's what I'm trying to talk about.

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01:58:03.496 --> 01:58:08.167
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I guess I'm not hearing that you've made the case that your amendment makes this any better.

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01:58:08.552 --> 01:58:15.296
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not— I'm applying that to my statement that I'm not sure the underlying is even going to do that.

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01:58:15.554 --> 01:58:20.145
<v Eric Zimmerman>So if you can make that case, if there's something there, okay.

1288
01:58:20.659 --> 01:58:25.990
<v Eric Zimmerman>Then the secondary part is, do you have faith in the Housing Bureau to be able to deliver a more complicated thing?

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01:58:26.055 --> 01:58:26.472
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's a critique I have.

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01:58:26.520 --> 01:58:27.274
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's a fair critique.

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01:58:28.287 --> 01:58:35.710
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I think across the board, we're trying to see like what— what you're, you're saying this thing, but we're not seeing how you've made that case yet in this amendment.

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01:58:36.909 --> 01:58:38.319
<v Andy Galizia>Council President, can I respond to that?

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01:58:38.497 --> 01:58:39.307
<v Eric Zimmerman>Sure.

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01:58:39.631 --> 01:58:45.173
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So right now, these homes can only be sold to somebody who makes 100% of AMI.

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01:58:46.890 --> 01:58:51.939
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Under the underlying change, unamended, that income cap would be removed.

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01:58:52.068 --> 01:58:59.083
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So the homes would still have sale price cap, but anybody could go to purchase that home.

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01:59:01.449 --> 01:59:08.095
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Hearing that there aren't buyers right now, what we are trying to do in the amendment is say, okay, there aren't buyers right now at 100%.

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01:59:10.015 --> 01:59:13.471
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's give the market time to see if there are buyers at 120%.

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01:59:14.878 --> 01:59:22.500
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If there aren't buyers at 120%, let's give the market time to see if there are buyers at And if there aren't, then raise the income cap.

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01:59:23.126 --> 01:59:34.260
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But try to ensure that we are still allowing folks who need a little extra help the opportunity to buy this house, which has a capped sales price, an artificially capped sales price.

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01:59:34.613 --> 01:59:34.869
<v Queesha Light>Yeah.

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01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:42.650
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Before we open up that benefit, the benefit of an artificially capped sales price to any buyer on the market.

1303
01:59:42.715 --> 01:59:44.849
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So that's how we're trying to address the concern.

1304
01:59:44.944 --> 01:59:57.463
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What I I had mentioned with regard to the homes that Councilor Smith has had raised is that for homes that have already been sitting on the market for 180 days, they would go straight to that no income cap.

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01:59:58.041 --> 02:00:07.398
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are also plenty of homes that would be affected that have not been on the market for 180 days where that stair-stepped cap would apply at those different levels.

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02:00:08.055 --> 02:00:09.307
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Does that provide a little bit of a more direct explanation?

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02:00:09.387 --> 02:00:12.387
<v Eric Zimmerman>So given that, what my suggestion would have Just, just set your number.

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02:00:13.622 --> 02:00:18.765
<v Eric Zimmerman>Staircases, stair-stepping, whatever the right term is, is I think what's leaning me away from this.

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02:00:19.614 --> 02:00:29.823
<v Eric Zimmerman>If you have a concern, and I, and I think I share it, right, that, that there are certain things that are not going to sell at, frankly, what should be able to sell— $128,000 should be able to buy a home.

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02:00:29.935 --> 02:00:31.585
<v Eric Zimmerman>It's really sad that we're in this situation.

1311
02:00:32.610 --> 02:00:33.076
<v Zelaine Nunn>I agree.

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02:00:33.252 --> 02:00:41.875
<v Eric Zimmerman>So maybe instead of this, like, incrementalism Go bold and be like, to move this market, we're going to do 150%, 180%.

1313
02:00:41.974 --> 02:00:44.311
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't know what the right number would be, but just say one thing.

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02:00:46.050 --> 02:00:51.792
<v Eric Zimmerman>The administration of how many days have you been on stair-stepping is what's killing your amendment, Councilor.

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02:00:52.680 --> 02:00:59.117
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I think if you could say, here's the magic number, and we're admitting it's not a great move, but here it is, I think you'd have power in that.

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02:00:59.327 --> 02:01:13.395
<v Eric Zimmerman>And then the other part that is giving me, um, Because that's one aspect of it, but then you've got this other stuff about moving balances and number B or letter B that is, I don't, it seems erroneous to the point you've been actually talking about.

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02:01:14.997 --> 02:01:19.435
<v Eric Zimmerman>So maybe you've included too much or you tried to be too good at it and just be simple.

1318
02:01:20.756 --> 02:01:27.306
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The original proposal as we were iterating on it on my team was to just pick a number.

1319
02:01:28.046 --> 02:01:36.266
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And because that concern was out there of, well, what if it still doesn't sell?

1320
02:01:36.427 --> 02:01:41.436
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do we need to get to raising the cap completely, getting rid of that income cap completely?

1321
02:01:42.030 --> 02:01:42.898
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We stair-stepped it.

1322
02:01:44.103 --> 02:01:49.385
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would be perfectly comfortable saying, you know what, $140,000, that's it for everybody.

1323
02:01:50.235 --> 02:01:51.006
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Doesn't go away.

1324
02:01:51.103 --> 02:01:52.966
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's $140,000 now instead of $100,000.

1325
02:01:53.143 --> 02:01:53.623
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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02:01:53.675 --> 02:01:55.470
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's something I would be very comfortable with.

1327
02:01:55.536 --> 02:01:58.626
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We were trying to be a little more responsive, which is why we didn't do it that way.

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02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:18.702
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll note again that the idea behind B, and the timing is not tied on these, it is not a you must have this to do that, but the idea behind B was that if we really want to look comprehensively at this problem, then we say, okay, perhaps 100% is too low.

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02:02:19.042 --> 02:02:19.363
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1330
02:02:20.229 --> 02:02:23.586
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>An AMI, it needs to be— I'm going to take the number 140.

1331
02:02:24.516 --> 02:02:27.182
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So let's raise it, see if we can get some buyers there.

1332
02:02:27.872 --> 02:02:35.274
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But we also know that in some cases the purchasing power isn't there, that down payment power, because frankly rents are so high.

1333
02:02:35.354 --> 02:02:39.899
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So if you don't own a home right now, saving for a down payment is very difficult.

1334
02:02:40.493 --> 02:02:47.703
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So let's simultaneously say, my goodness, we need to do more to to make sure that people can get that down payment.

1335
02:02:48.490 --> 02:02:57.228
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And there are a lot of other tools out there that I think we should look at as a city, but right now the tool that we have is to put our public dollars into down payment assistance.

1336
02:02:57.837 --> 02:03:10.574
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So simultaneously, let's raise that cap and let's start looking at whether there are funds that we should be putting into down payment assistance more aggressively, which would also help with the other side of it.

1337
02:03:10.622 --> 02:03:10.734
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1338
02:03:13.733 --> 02:03:17.534
<v Eric Zimmerman>That sounds like a resolution though, rather than an ordinance, right?

1339
02:03:17.615 --> 02:03:28.039
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think you're setting a direction for bring us a budget offer, and I think that's where I think a few of us are kind of— in theory, many of us have talked about some down payment assistance stuff, and this is different.

1340
02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:36.775
<v Eric Zimmerman>And the last thing I just want to mention, right, I'm a person who's watched values change in my own neighborhood.

1341
02:03:36.890 --> 02:03:36.954
<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

1342
02:03:37.082 --> 02:03:40.470
<v Eric Zimmerman>Portfolio, my 2 house— my one rental and one house I live in, right?

1343
02:03:40.550 --> 02:03:41.079
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm watching it.

1344
02:03:41.721 --> 02:03:45.783
<v Eric Zimmerman>We're in the world in which these numbers are now dipped below these numbers that we're talking about.

1345
02:03:46.635 --> 02:03:51.162
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I was an appraiser for Multnomah County during the boom.

1346
02:03:51.756 --> 02:03:57.890
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have gone to more skinny homes, more, more regulated properties that were designed for this type of program.

1347
02:03:57.939 --> 02:03:58.694
<v Andy Galizia>It was awesome.

1348
02:03:58.774 --> 02:03:59.416
<v Eric Zimmerman>It was really great.

1349
02:03:59.497 --> 02:04:02.257
<v Eric Zimmerman>It taught me a lot about it, taught me a lot about how people were getting in.

1350
02:04:02.693 --> 02:04:11.564
<v Eric Zimmerman>But we were in a moment where we could build at a place where that buyer could qualify and it could be acceptable.

1351
02:04:13.296 --> 02:04:20.125
<v Eric Zimmerman>The market has changed in a way in which the new build is not the target for a person in the income level we're talking about.

1352
02:04:20.657 --> 02:04:23.930
<v Eric Zimmerman>It's, it's an older home, which is perfectly fine.

1353
02:04:24.525 --> 02:04:26.234
<v Eric Zimmerman>My house was built sometime in the '50s.

1354
02:04:26.283 --> 02:04:36.934
<v Eric Zimmerman>You know, it's like This is focused on builders, and this is where I kind of gave Councilor Green— I'm a little concerned about the whole thing here because we're talking about capital and turning your stack over.

1355
02:04:36.981 --> 02:04:42.097
<v Eric Zimmerman>And those all made sense in 2007, 2006.

1356
02:04:42.162 --> 02:04:44.280
<v Eric Zimmerman>It all fell out in '08 and '09, right?

1357
02:04:44.362 --> 02:05:03.645
<v Eric Zimmerman>But this— a new build, given the price of the workforce and housing, I'm not sure that this is actually tackling because if If you are struggling at a 6.2% interest rate, you're at 100% AMI, the new build is really not targeted for you.

1358
02:05:03.789 --> 02:05:08.533
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I don't think that this changes the market enough to make the new build your target.

1359
02:05:08.597 --> 02:05:19.519
<v Eric Zimmerman>I actually think going after the older home who is stagnant or maybe even losing value in these years is the area in which we want these homebuyer programs to target.

1360
02:05:20.006 --> 02:05:25.658
<v Eric Zimmerman>But when we target this as just being about new family homes, that's where I'm, I'm wondering how big the impact is.

1361
02:05:25.706 --> 02:05:37.251
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that's why I think we might be talking about just a couple of dozen homes at this point, which seems like a big squeeze for a market that's in trouble in so many facets.

1362
02:05:38.342 --> 02:05:38.568
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't know.

1363
02:05:38.728 --> 02:05:39.048
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

1364
02:05:39.756 --> 02:05:40.559
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1365
02:05:40.639 --> 02:05:43.336
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I'm limiting debate to this on this amendment.

1366
02:05:43.448 --> 02:05:44.588
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, you'll be our last.

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02:05:46.007 --> 02:05:46.345
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1368
02:05:46.506 --> 02:05:52.650
<v Mitch Green>I wanted to address the hypothetical that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney posed to us, which is like, what is the objective here?

1369
02:05:53.085 --> 02:06:04.738
<v Mitch Green>Is the objective to make it about making sure there's opportunities for people at the 100 AMI level to be able to have a path to homeownership, or is it to simply move the houses?

1370
02:06:06.479 --> 02:06:15.777
<v Mitch Green>I'll remind us that we're in— we're facing this ordinance in the first place because we adopted a temporary temporary SDC waiver, just carte blanche, that created some conditions.

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02:06:16.274 --> 02:06:20.344
<v Mitch Green>The SDC exemption only existed for these affordable housing units in the first place.

1372
02:06:20.391 --> 02:06:24.814
<v Mitch Green>So this council took an action that upset a balance in the market.

1373
02:06:25.969 --> 02:06:44.186
<v Mitch Green>And this is an attempt to address a potential unintended consequence based upon that action that, in my view, Could result in a loss of capacity for the ability to deliver this type of program in the decades to come.

1374
02:06:44.828 --> 02:06:53.708
<v Mitch Green>Because these are things that don't— this is the thing that these private sector developers are delivering a capability for the market.

1375
02:06:53.820 --> 02:06:57.240
<v Mitch Green>They have invested in a type of build.

1376
02:06:57.658 --> 02:07:00.837
<v Mitch Green>They have invested in relationships with lenders.

1377
02:07:00.886 --> 02:07:02.137
<v Mitch Green>They've invested with programs.

1378
02:07:02.234 --> 02:07:02.346
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1379
02:07:02.460 --> 02:07:06.390
<v Mitch Green>That worked with sort of from soup to nuts with the buyers.

1380
02:07:06.503 --> 02:07:27.253
<v Mitch Green>And so if you lose that capability because they have to walk away from a project or they have to abandon this program because it doesn't work anymore and they need to stay in business, so they just completely walk away from the affordable housing sector as a whole because this period is tough, then that capability won't exist in the future unless we build it intentionally.

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02:07:27.832 --> 02:07:32.658
<v Mitch Green>And so there's a preservation piece here that I think is an analog to other things we're trying to preserve in our city right now.

1382
02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:44.323
<v Mitch Green>And so that's, for me, the effort and/or the decision before me right now is, do I want to make a decision that helps preserve capability or not?

1383
02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:54.405
<v Mitch Green>This is, you know, not a— I think you said it yourself, this is not the preferred method for any of the conversations that we're having.

1384
02:07:54.453 --> 02:07:54.519
<v Candace Avalos>Right.

1385
02:07:55.228 --> 02:08:02.542
<v Mitch Green>I do think that we need to find resources to more deeply subsidize homeownership or long-tenure social housing opportunities as a whole.

1386
02:08:05.291 --> 02:08:11.162
<v Mitch Green>But if an SDC waiver can make the difference, that's $20,000 to $30,000.

1387
02:08:11.680 --> 02:08:13.800
<v Mitch Green>And if it doesn't, well, then this was all a moot point anyway.

1388
02:08:14.630 --> 02:08:19.766
<v Mitch Green>So the opportunity cost, really, I think the stakes are pretty low, frankly, because we're in a market where—.

1389
02:08:19.766 --> 02:08:20.478
<v Candace Avalos>I think the stakes are pretty high.

1390
02:08:21.908 --> 02:08:23.743
<v Mitch Green>We're operating outside those normal conditions.

1391
02:08:23.838 --> 02:08:33.480
<v Mitch Green>So I think adopting the underlying has pretty low risk, frankly, to the overall intended program objective here.

1392
02:08:34.484 --> 02:08:40.567
<v Mitch Green>So for that reason, I'm not going to support the amendment, although I know that the intentions behind it are pure and aligned with my values.

1393
02:08:42.560 --> 02:08:43.212
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1394
02:08:44.780 --> 02:08:45.581
<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, can we please move?

1395
02:08:45.695 --> 02:09:00.168
<v Eric Zimmerman>I would move to amend this amendment Instead of the stair-stepping at 150% of the AMI, I think you have it at 100% currently now, and just have that set as a standard.

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02:09:01.082 --> 02:09:01.963
<v Eric Zimmerman>Sorry, Council President.

1397
02:09:02.140 --> 02:09:02.300
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

1398
02:09:02.363 --> 02:09:04.110
<v Eric Zimmerman>I was forming thoughts as you were getting ready.

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02:09:04.319 --> 02:09:04.815
<v Jamie Dunphy>No problem.

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02:09:05.472 --> 02:09:06.722
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, do we have that in writing?

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02:09:07.315 --> 02:09:08.358
<v Eric Zimmerman>No, you certainly don't.

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02:09:08.677 --> 02:09:09.847
<v Eric Zimmerman>I will type it away.

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02:09:10.280 --> 02:09:12.621
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, but I'm going to need some assistance here.

1404
02:09:12.716 --> 02:09:13.983
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'll just Let me explain a little.

1405
02:09:14.769 --> 02:09:25.011
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think I can get there on the underlying, but I'm so concerned about relieving some sort of income restriction on these properties.

1406
02:09:25.060 --> 02:09:26.952
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, it is really a huge concern for me.

1407
02:09:27.113 --> 02:09:45.380
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I, I hear what Councilor Green is saying, and I want to keep the pipeline going, but the idea of removing a restriction is giving me so much heartache because this is intended for a purpose and So I'm trusting that some of you who were at the council realize, or at the committee, realize that this could be a path.

1408
02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:54.207
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I guess what I'm signaling is I think that if we had a more concise number, I might be able to get there on the underlying.

1409
02:09:54.496 --> 02:09:58.171
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'm really looking to the 2 sponsors of the amendment.

1410
02:09:58.748 --> 02:09:59.841
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm getting one thumbs up.

1411
02:09:59.936 --> 02:10:08.351
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm getting maybe— I'm getting a nod from the other that this seems like it would be a workable Council President, permission to add something?

1412
02:10:09.029 --> 02:10:16.532
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor, I'd request that if you're going to offer an amendment, you also change the report deadline to December 1st.

1413
02:10:18.963 --> 02:10:20.283
<v Queesha Light>Yes, that works.

1414
02:10:20.573 --> 02:10:20.814
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

1415
02:10:21.716 --> 02:10:25.672
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The Bureau had originally seen this with October 1st, but it sounds like has some concerns now.

1416
02:10:25.755 --> 02:10:29.354
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So change that to December 1st to provide a little bit of space for the Bureau.

1417
02:10:32.444 --> 02:10:33.487
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have no opinion on that part.

1418
02:10:33.743 --> 02:10:34.112
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1419
02:10:34.832 --> 02:10:36.692
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, Councilor, do you want a couple minutes to—.

1420
02:10:37.171 --> 02:10:37.604
<v Eric Zimmerman>I've got it.

1421
02:10:37.765 --> 02:10:38.213
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, you're good?

1422
02:10:38.390 --> 02:10:38.694
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1423
02:10:39.030 --> 02:10:40.280
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think somebody just gave it to me.

1424
02:10:40.858 --> 02:10:49.030
<v Eric Zimmerman>No, no, is that not what— oh, is this— do you want to articulate what you're sending?

1425
02:10:49.207 --> 02:10:49.912
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo?

1426
02:10:50.136 --> 02:10:50.552
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, sure.

1427
02:10:51.097 --> 02:11:02.658
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, I was going to say, if we're going to make adjustments, uh, I just sent you a part that I would to change from down payment assistance to affordable housing support and supportive services, just to make it more open-ended.

1428
02:11:03.175 --> 02:11:04.872
<v Angelita Morillo>If you're interested in that, I'd add it.

1429
02:11:06.909 --> 02:11:07.938
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't know what that means.

1430
02:11:09.202 --> 02:11:10.127
<v Eric Zimmerman>I know what down payments are.

1431
02:11:10.256 --> 02:11:13.259
<v Eric Zimmerman>I don't know what the other 6 words that you listed meant.

1432
02:11:15.762 --> 02:11:18.640
<v Angelita Morillo>Uh, affordable housing support and supportive services.

1433
02:11:18.752 --> 02:11:19.028
<v Zelaine Nunn>You don't know?

1434
02:11:19.157 --> 02:11:26.557
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, but when we're talking about a housing purchase program, I guess That's where I'm like, I'd like to use housing purchase words, and this seems like that's not part of that.

1435
02:11:29.579 --> 02:11:31.002
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm going to say thank you, but no.

1436
02:11:31.179 --> 02:11:32.229
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's fair.

1437
02:11:33.054 --> 02:11:41.871
<v Eric Zimmerman>So if I could have a minute to type it up or even look to where it would be appropriate to change this.

1438
02:11:42.242 --> 02:11:51.876
<v Jamie Dunphy>Let's go ahead and take a 10-minute recess and give everybody a restroom break and be back here at 4:10 for a So if we just further work on this, back in 10 minutes.

1439
02:11:52.118 --> 02:11:52.359
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1440
02:11:54.034 --> 02:11:56.404
<v Eric Zimmerman>We keep that, it shall be one day.

1441
02:25:55.819 --> 02:25:57.441
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, we are back.

1442
02:25:58.432 --> 02:26:04.252
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman has let me know that he's not going to be pursuing the amendment at this time— amendment to the amendment at this time.

1443
02:26:05.149 --> 02:26:12.384
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have limited debate already, and so I'd like to call a roll on Pirtle-Guiney, Koyama Lane 1.

1444
02:26:15.347 --> 02:26:17.329
<v Rebecca Dobert>Calling Pirtle-Guiney, Koyama Lane 1.

1445
02:26:17.426 --> 02:26:19.584
<v Rebecca Dobert>Moved by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Koyama Lane.

1446
02:26:20.343 --> 02:26:20.870
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

1447
02:26:21.396 --> 02:26:21.444
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1448
02:26:22.545 --> 02:26:22.856
<v Rebecca Dobert>Morillo?

1449
02:26:23.272 --> 02:26:23.417
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1450
02:26:24.502 --> 02:26:24.970
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

1451
02:26:25.763 --> 02:26:25.924
<v Steve Novick>No.

1452
02:26:28.125 --> 02:26:28.529
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

1453
02:26:28.836 --> 02:26:29.078
<v Olivia Clark>No.

1454
02:26:30.600 --> 02:26:30.843
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

1455
02:26:31.591 --> 02:26:31.834
<v Mitch Green>No.

1456
02:26:32.257 --> 02:26:32.875
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

1457
02:26:33.217 --> 02:26:33.379
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

1458
02:26:34.354 --> 02:26:34.664
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

1459
02:26:35.605 --> 02:26:35.898
<v Candace Avalos>No.

1460
02:26:36.940 --> 02:26:37.181
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

1461
02:26:40.013 --> 02:26:40.271
<v Loretta Smith>No.

1462
02:26:41.621 --> 02:26:41.863
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

1463
02:26:45.675 --> 02:26:45.855
<v Sameer Kanal>No.

1464
02:26:46.837 --> 02:26:47.379
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

1465
02:26:47.805 --> 02:26:47.853
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1466
02:26:49.712 --> 02:26:49.922
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

1467
02:26:50.612 --> 02:26:50.726
<v Dan Ryan>No.

1468
02:26:51.239 --> 02:26:51.561
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

1469
02:26:52.045 --> 02:26:52.189
<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

1470
02:26:53.251 --> 02:26:57.127
<v Rebecca Dobert>The amendment fails with 11—.

1471
02:26:58.622 --> 02:26:59.088
<v Jamie Dunphy>10 To 1.

1472
02:26:59.170 --> 02:27:00.777
<v Rebecca Dobert>Sorry, 10 nay, 2 aye votes.

1473
02:27:00.888 --> 02:27:01.500
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, thank you.

1474
02:27:02.254 --> 02:27:06.578
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I am recognizing myself 'cause I can do that.

1475
02:27:07.462 --> 02:27:10.063
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have pre-filed Dunphy 1.

1476
02:27:10.450 --> 02:27:12.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>It is in your— it is posted online.

1477
02:27:12.795 --> 02:27:13.570
<v Jamie Dunphy>You should have a copy of it.

1478
02:27:14.984 --> 02:27:15.947
<v Jamie Dunphy>A little bit of explanation of this.

1479
02:27:16.092 --> 02:27:25.195
<v Jamie Dunphy>I have been working with the Portland Housing Bureau for multiple months on a problem that was brought to me by a constituent regarding the 3-bedroom FAR density bonus program.

1480
02:27:25.983 --> 02:27:33.159
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is a program that was meant to boost family-sized for-sale homes for moderate-income buyers, very much like we're talking about right now.

1481
02:27:33.289 --> 02:27:38.105
<v Jamie Dunphy>But only 4 projects have ever used this, largely because it doesn't work.

1482
02:27:38.426 --> 02:27:39.503
<v Andy Galizia>Hmm.

1483
02:27:39.871 --> 02:27:53.934
<v Jamie Dunphy>Right now, there are 14 permitted townhomes in District 1 that have remained unbuilt Largely because the builder can't afford to keep losing money under the program that's more restrictive than the SDC waiver limits that we're discussing removing today.

1484
02:27:55.460 --> 02:28:00.569
<v Jamie Dunphy>We cannot expect builders to sell at cost just to get qualified 100% AMI buyers in the door.

1485
02:28:00.618 --> 02:28:03.627
<v Jamie Dunphy>That's not sustainable and it's not what these programs are built for.

1486
02:28:03.675 --> 02:28:05.370
<v Jamie Dunphy>So my amendment does 3 things.

1487
02:28:06.227 --> 02:28:11.315
<v Jamie Dunphy>First, it removes the income restriction on this 3-bedroom FAR density program.

1488
02:28:12.156 --> 02:28:13.022
<v Jamie Dunphy>After 90 days.

1489
02:28:13.213 --> 02:28:22.956
<v Jamie Dunphy>If a home can't sell to a qualified buyer in 90 days, the home— the owner asks— can ask to sell it without income restrictions, but the rest of the 10-year affordability covenant stays.

1490
02:28:23.950 --> 02:28:36.287
<v Jamie Dunphy>It fixes the penalty calculation, and my proposal is a simple, more fair calculation that ties the penalty only to the bonus received so that it's not punitive of almost $40,000 per home.

1491
02:28:36.927 --> 02:28:45.760
<v Jamie Dunphy>And lastly, it gives the city administrator discretion I've talked to lenders.

1492
02:28:45.760 --> 02:28:48.819
<v Jamie Dunphy>The problem with these programs aren't greedy developers.

1493
02:28:48.819 --> 02:28:52.850
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's that very few buyers at this income have a down payment saved.

1494
02:28:52.959 --> 02:28:58.479
<v Jamie Dunphy>They don't know assistance exists, and they don't see the value in the extra cost of homeownership at today's rates.

1495
02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:03.260
<v Jamie Dunphy>So if we're serious about affordable housing, we have to largely rethink our strategy.

1496
02:29:03.440 --> 02:29:07.899
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's not our goal to put people who build out of business over market conditions that they can't control.

1497
02:29:07.899 --> 02:29:07.940
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

1498
02:29:07.940 --> 02:29:07.979
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilmember Herbold.

1499
02:29:08.740 --> 02:29:19.787
<v Jamie Dunphy>Our job is to find a balance and to make these programs actually work so that more builders use them and build an environment where middle-income Portlanders have a stability and access to programs that let them feel secure buying a home too.

1500
02:29:20.525 --> 02:29:23.977
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I would move Dunphy 1, and I would welcome a second.

1501
02:29:24.282 --> 02:29:25.069
<v Steve Novick>Second.

1502
02:29:25.584 --> 02:29:26.483
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1503
02:29:27.976 --> 02:29:30.657
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of this amendment?

1504
02:29:30.786 --> 02:29:32.327
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm happy to answer any further questions as well.

1505
02:29:32.792 --> 02:29:33.354
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

1506
02:29:34.318 --> 02:29:35.281
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor President.

1507
02:29:35.378 --> 02:29:36.197
<v Olivia Clark>I'm a little confused.

1508
02:29:36.245 --> 02:29:42.490
<v Olivia Clark>There was an Amendment 1, Dunphy 1, July 8th, and then there's another Dunphy.

1509
02:29:43.004 --> 02:29:43.808
<v Olivia Clark>Is this your only Dunphy?

1510
02:29:43.968 --> 02:29:45.140
<v Jamie Dunphy>Dunphy 1 is— there's only one.

1511
02:29:45.253 --> 02:29:49.282
<v Jamie Dunphy>We updated it because the underlying was changed slightly through committee.

1512
02:29:49.347 --> 02:29:52.462
<v Jamie Dunphy>So it is the same intent and definitions and everything.

1513
02:29:52.542 --> 02:29:54.325
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

1514
02:29:54.405 --> 02:29:54.934
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

1515
02:29:56.011 --> 02:29:57.280
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Councilor President.

1516
02:29:57.360 --> 02:30:02.564
<v Mitch Green>Can you— I know that This is going to be painful, but can you walk me through your red lines and blue lines?

1517
02:30:02.612 --> 02:30:03.742
<v Mitch Green>There's red lines and blue lines.

1518
02:30:03.807 --> 02:30:05.243
<v Mitch Green>Just help me understand what's happening.

1519
02:30:05.355 --> 02:30:05.936
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are.

1520
02:30:06.033 --> 02:30:16.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>So in this amendment, the— because a lot of these red lines are because right now this is talking about just the SDC program.

1521
02:30:17.090 --> 02:30:43.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>Because I am trying to expand the scope ultimately of this ordinance to also include not just the SDC, but Also explicitly to tie in the 3-bedroom unit and try to— some of this specifically adds the background that we would expect for a regular ordinance to describe what this 3-bedroom bonus was, what the intent was, and then describes part of this, the challenge of why it would be included in this ordinance.

1522
02:30:43.762 --> 02:30:55.166
<v Jamie Dunphy>And then creates an additional Exhibit B that would tighten some of our definitions and Does what I had said specifically around the penalties.

1523
02:30:57.125 --> 02:31:02.998
<v Jamie Dunphy>Just to be a little bit more clear, an FAR, I mean, for people who maybe don't know, FAR, floor area ratio.

1524
02:31:03.418 --> 02:31:11.757
<v Jamie Dunphy>This 3-bedroom program was intended to give a builder additional buildable space in order to get that 3-bedroom with a covenant that it'd remain affordable.

1525
02:31:13.430 --> 02:31:30.975
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is saying that we wouldn't— we would only reduce the— or we would— continue the payment or the penalty that are on the bonus but not on the entire program or the entire building, the entire individual property that was for sale.

1526
02:31:31.691 --> 02:32:07.664
<v Mitch Green>And then looking through my redlined very quickly, yeah, and then also is about giving the city administrator the flexibility necessary to, if there is a genuine financial distress or situation, to So is the idea by sort of limiting it to the bonus vis-à-vis the penalty that you're really sort of addressing that marginal piece, that sort of like that last leg that's not being used right now, and playing around with the penalty structure and the bonus structure as 2 sides of the same coin, saying, I'm going to isolate it to this?

1527
02:32:08.290 --> 02:32:08.995
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is my intent.

1528
02:32:09.139 --> 02:32:09.316
<v Mitch Green>Okay.

1529
02:32:09.718 --> 02:32:10.727
<v Mitch Green>That's how I understand when I read it.

1530
02:32:10.825 --> 02:32:11.016
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

1531
02:32:13.004 --> 02:32:13.778
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1532
02:32:13.970 --> 02:32:15.164
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Clark, Vice President Clark.

1533
02:32:15.405 --> 02:32:16.726
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Councilor President.

1534
02:32:16.807 --> 02:32:22.837
<v Olivia Clark>So my understanding is that there are very few 3 bedrooms being built.

1535
02:32:23.146 --> 02:32:23.986
<v Olivia Clark>Very few at all.

1536
02:32:24.358 --> 02:32:24.486
<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

1537
02:32:24.778 --> 02:32:27.527
<v Olivia Clark>And that we actually need more of those, right?

1538
02:32:28.496 --> 02:32:30.096
<v Olivia Clark>Particularly in your district.

1539
02:32:30.355 --> 02:32:30.727
<v Olivia Clark>Absolutely.

1540
02:32:30.889 --> 02:32:32.134
<v Olivia Clark>Maybe District 2, I don't know.

1541
02:32:33.662 --> 02:32:37.588
<v Olivia Clark>So are you thinking this is going to help incent developing more of these?

1542
02:32:37.945 --> 02:32:46.456
<v Jamie Dunphy>We know that at least in a very limited situation, there is a builder who is permitted to build these right now but cannot because his capital is tied up in buildings he cannot sell.

1543
02:32:47.420 --> 02:32:51.481
<v Jamie Dunphy>We know that at the very least, there would be 14 more 3-bedroom townhomes ready to come.

1544
02:32:52.397 --> 02:32:56.587
<v Jamie Dunphy>And as I said, this bonus program has only been used 4 times in its existence.

1545
02:32:57.695 --> 02:32:58.884
<v Jamie Dunphy>Developers don't really like it.

1546
02:32:59.300 --> 02:33:03.218
<v Jamie Dunphy>And with their current SDC waivers and other things, it's not being used.

1547
02:33:03.507 --> 02:33:09.375
<v Jamie Dunphy>So yeah, the hope is to largely free up the capital of these builders so that they can build what's already been permitted.

1548
02:33:09.456 --> 02:33:13.408
<v Olivia Clark>So you think if this passes, there's going to be more 3-bedroom units?

1549
02:33:13.698 --> 02:33:20.045
<v Olivia Clark>There's not going to be some giant rush to build 3-bedroom units, I don't suspect?

1550
02:33:20.126 --> 02:33:21.897
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, I don't suspect that that will be the impact.

1551
02:33:21.977 --> 02:33:27.846
<v Jamie Dunphy>I suspect the biggest challenge really is that it's just to get these ones that have already been built or permitted easier to sell.

1552
02:33:28.058 --> 02:33:29.014
<v Olivia Clark>And does this sunset ID?

1553
02:33:32.036 --> 02:33:38.808
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, no, this program doesn't— is— I mean, as we said, this program, this 3-bedroom bonus has been on the books for a number of years and it's only been used 4 times.

1554
02:33:39.516 --> 02:33:49.715
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that there is more— I think also we have to have a bigger conversation as a city about our affordable housing projects and affordable homeownership specifically.

1555
02:33:50.618 --> 02:33:52.746
<v Olivia Clark>Does the Housing Bureau have anything to say about this?

1556
02:33:52.877 --> 02:33:55.135
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm welcome to invite the Housing Bureau folks up.

1557
02:33:55.262 --> 02:33:55.891
<v Olivia Clark>They don't have to.

1558
02:33:55.988 --> 02:33:58.091
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm just curious if they have a thought.

1559
02:33:59.465 --> 02:34:04.799
<v Jamie Dunphy>I will say that we— while we've been working very closely with them, I do think that, uh, they're probably not as thrilled with it as I am.

1560
02:34:06.489 --> 02:34:07.494
<v Eric Zimmerman>Oh, I'm a yes then.

1561
02:34:09.218 --> 02:34:09.493
<v Jamie Dunphy>Done.

1562
02:34:12.009 --> 02:34:12.524
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1563
02:34:12.574 --> 02:34:16.363
<v Olivia Clark>I was just curious if you have a thought there on the 3-bedroom amendment.

1564
02:34:23.426 --> 02:34:25.836
<v Queesha Light>I'm Queesha Light, interim director of the Housing Bureau.

1565
02:34:28.171 --> 02:34:38.986
<v Queesha Light>Um, I would say that I understand the problem that is being addressed here, um, just like the underlying ordinance.

1566
02:34:39.777 --> 02:34:53.086
<v Queesha Light>And the reality is we all recognize that We've created a lot of programs when it comes to affordable housing, and the market has changed, and we need to rethink a lot of stuff.

1567
02:34:57.332 --> 02:35:09.917
<v Queesha Light>And my worry is that we create programs— we're essentially creating still one more thing, and we don't know how all of this is interacting.

1568
02:35:11.126 --> 02:35:14.610
<v Queesha Light>And I— but again, I recognize we do need to move stock.

1569
02:35:14.658 --> 02:35:14.742
<v Rebecca Dobert>Yes.

1570
02:35:15.022 --> 02:35:19.147
<v Queesha Light>We have a very— that's a very legitimate issue that we need to solve for.

1571
02:35:20.305 --> 02:35:32.763
<v Queesha Light>And I'm newer in this, so I'm just letting you know from that perspective of observing and taking it all in at this point, there are a lot of opportunities to step back and reexamine.

1572
02:35:32.844 --> 02:35:36.923
<v Queesha Light>And I think that's a lot of what we're doing through the unified housing strategy work.

1573
02:35:37.421 --> 02:35:40.183
<v Queesha Light>I think that's what we're doing with the social housing report.

1574
02:35:40.230 --> 02:35:40.359
<v Queesha Light>Thank you.

1575
02:35:40.552 --> 02:35:49.370
<v Queesha Light>We're getting an opportunity to look at everything again because that's what's needed and to figure out what worked before and what didn't work.

1576
02:35:49.578 --> 02:35:53.552
<v Queesha Light>And we have some opportunities to be innovative in our thinking.

1577
02:35:53.697 --> 02:35:55.659
<v Queesha Light>And so I appreciate that aspect here.

1578
02:35:58.195 --> 02:36:00.865
<v Queesha Light>So, I mean, I don't have a yes or no.

1579
02:36:00.961 --> 02:36:02.843
<v Queesha Light>The policy is yours to decide.

1580
02:36:04.307 --> 02:36:06.529
<v Queesha Light>The issue for me is Councilmember Herbold.

1581
02:36:06.593 --> 02:36:11.154
<v Queesha Light>As I stated before, and I want to be very clear, it's not about the capability of staff.

1582
02:36:11.411 --> 02:36:14.847
<v Queesha Light>The Housing Bureau staff is very capable of doing this work.

1583
02:36:16.051 --> 02:36:26.956
<v Queesha Light>I think it is more about all the things that we are trying to reexamine when it comes to the housing market, the housing providers, all the things that are happening.

1584
02:36:27.388 --> 02:36:31.756
<v Queesha Light>This team is trying to step back and reexamine a lot of things right now.

1585
02:36:32.351 --> 02:36:46.593
<v Queesha Light>So It is more about feasibility in the sense of operationally, we're trying to reexamine the structure, reexamine the work we've been assigned to do, and carry— keep the work going at the same time.

1586
02:36:46.640 --> 02:36:47.780
<v Queesha Light>And you have to be able to do both.

1587
02:36:47.843 --> 02:36:49.254
<v Queesha Light>And I think we're capable of doing both.

1588
02:36:49.912 --> 02:36:52.942
<v Queesha Light>It's— but there is a point where your capacity is limited.

1589
02:36:53.216 --> 02:37:04.013
<v Queesha Light>But I don't— like I said, I think that I understand what this program is trying to solve, what it's trying to get at, or what this But I'll turn it over to Dori.

1590
02:37:04.063 --> 02:37:05.565
<v Andy Galizia>She's a technical expert here.

1591
02:37:09.056 --> 02:37:17.500
<v Dori Hellier>So just to clarify your question, please, Councilor or Vice President Clark, is it strictly the effect on the housing bureau?

1592
02:37:18.209 --> 02:37:21.113
<v Olivia Clark>That would be helpful too, but I just wanted to get a general sense.

1593
02:37:21.759 --> 02:37:24.243
<v Olivia Clark>I really appreciate what the director has said.

1594
02:37:24.760 --> 02:37:27.656
<v Olivia Clark>The most compelling thing to me that you said is that we need more inventory.

1595
02:37:28.597 --> 02:37:30.860
<v Olivia Clark>And anything we can do to make that happen.

1596
02:37:30.907 --> 02:37:33.425
<v Olivia Clark>And this seems though it's very, very narrow, very small.

1597
02:37:34.611 --> 02:37:40.834
<v Olivia Clark>So if you have any other comments on that, if there is an administrative burden that comes with this one too.

1598
02:37:41.492 --> 02:37:52.093
<v Dori Hellier>I mean, there is an administrative burden in that if we are— there are other— there is a program that is still operational, although it hasn't been used to a significant degree.

1599
02:37:54.819 --> 02:38:07.667
<v Dori Hellier>There are a couple of things that we would need to implement with this, particularly with the financial review of any feasibility of a project is very complicated.

1600
02:38:07.797 --> 02:38:23.567
<v Dori Hellier>And trying to do an objective review of someone's financials is not something that I think the Housing Bureau is used to doing, nor are developers accustomed to turning that type of information over to the Housing Bureau for review.

1601
02:38:24.498 --> 02:38:45.729
<v Dori Hellier>I, I think that that could be a pretty fraught and complicated process, um, and, and nor is it something that the staff on my team is necessarily qualified to do in that they work on a lot of different things, but that's not something that they currently have the expertise in specifically.

1602
02:38:45.778 --> 02:38:52.301
<v Dori Hellier>There are other areas at the Bureau where they might, but They also are not staffed to do that additional work.

1603
02:38:52.882 --> 02:39:00.981
<v Dori Hellier>As far as the underlying changes to the penalty, that would not be too cumbersome to change how the penalty is implemented.

1604
02:39:03.406 --> 02:39:15.968
<v Dori Hellier>I mean, I will say too that currently there are no homes that remain in the first project that are unsold, so this wouldn't be something we would immediately be testing.

1605
02:39:16.018 --> 02:39:16.084
<v Dori Hellier>Okay.

1606
02:39:18.431 --> 02:39:24.283
<v Dori Hellier>And this is talking about a speculative project for this in this specific instance.

1607
02:39:24.878 --> 02:39:25.310
<v Olivia Clark>Oh, thank you.

1608
02:39:25.359 --> 02:39:29.961
<v Olivia Clark>So, Council President, these are projects that are already in the pipeline.

1609
02:39:30.058 --> 02:39:31.100
<v Olivia Clark>They're just sitting there, right?

1610
02:39:31.180 --> 02:39:32.960
<v Olivia Clark>So they've already gone through a process.

1611
02:39:33.923 --> 02:39:37.146
<v Jamie Dunphy>My understanding is, yeah, that there— this has been used 4 times total.

1612
02:39:37.274 --> 02:39:41.748
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are some— there are actually in all there are 30 unsold parcels.

1613
02:39:42.022 --> 02:39:50.727
<v Jamie Dunphy>Units on Long Division Street, um, and 14 waiting, permitted, ready to go, but for the ability to sell the, the remaining stock.

1614
02:39:50.825 --> 02:39:53.182
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, okay, thank you.

1615
02:39:53.310 --> 02:39:55.781
<v Olivia Clark>I appreciate, um, your input on that.

1616
02:39:55.894 --> 02:39:57.137
<v Olivia Clark>I'm going to mull it over here.

1617
02:39:58.090 --> 02:39:58.926
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1618
02:39:59.152 --> 02:39:59.780
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1619
02:40:00.762 --> 02:40:01.986
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you, Councilor Dunphy.

1620
02:40:02.066 --> 02:40:19.520
<v Eric Zimmerman>I guess when you say things like they're just unable to sell I guess I'm wondering, why are you asking me, us, to insert in this case into the market?

1621
02:40:19.810 --> 02:40:23.565
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because if I'm unable to rent a unit, I lower the rent.

1622
02:40:23.629 --> 02:40:25.344
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's why I yelled at HomeForward last week.

1623
02:40:26.296 --> 02:40:29.343
<v Eric Zimmerman>If I'm unable to sell my house, I lower the price.

1624
02:40:31.377 --> 02:40:33.458
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that some people build bad ideas.

1625
02:40:34.485 --> 02:40:37.302
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think some people open bad idea restaurants.

1626
02:40:38.750 --> 02:40:41.265
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that some people are bad at business.

1627
02:40:43.183 --> 02:40:44.843
<v Eric Zimmerman>That doesn't make them bad people, I guess.

1628
02:40:45.118 --> 02:40:49.000
<v Eric Zimmerman>But there is a point in which I go, where is our role in government to interfere?

1629
02:40:49.064 --> 02:41:01.046
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so what you're asking is allow this person to, uh, reduce the thing that they had agreed to be a part of.

1630
02:41:01.093 --> 02:41:02.808
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, they made a business choice to do it.

1631
02:41:02.872 --> 02:41:07.007
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think, you know, I'm going to stop that analogy.

1632
02:41:07.263 --> 02:41:16.141
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, but I think that— I, I guess that's where I, I'm wrestling a little bit with it, of like, I feel bad for whatever this situation is you're articulating.

1633
02:41:17.055 --> 02:41:20.341
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not sure that my role is to bail them out.

1634
02:41:20.565 --> 02:41:22.343
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm struggling with that.

1635
02:41:22.504 --> 02:41:25.596
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am all for this whole— this entire conversation.

1636
02:41:26.093 --> 02:41:29.672
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'd love to take this whole code, throw it I would throw it in garbage and rewrite from minute one, right?

1637
02:41:29.879 --> 02:41:36.141
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because this complicated to verify your income is wild to me.

1638
02:41:36.719 --> 02:41:38.807
<v Eric Zimmerman>It shouldn't be complicated to prove your income.

1639
02:41:39.754 --> 02:41:41.682
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, so these are the basics I think we should get to.

1640
02:41:41.762 --> 02:41:50.897
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm not— I guess I want to give you an opportunity to answer that, but I'm missing a point here of why would we help that if this just was a bad building decision?

1641
02:41:51.155 --> 02:41:51.941
<v Eric Zimmerman>And maybe it wasn't.

1642
02:41:52.022 --> 02:41:52.952
<v Eric Zimmerman>Maybe that's just how I'm hearing it.

1643
02:41:53.001 --> 02:41:53.867
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I I want to give you a chance.

1644
02:41:54.027 --> 02:41:56.528
<v Jamie Dunphy>You know, I won't defend whether or not this builder is a good builder.

1645
02:41:56.608 --> 02:41:57.826
<v Jamie Dunphy>I mean, he seems like a good guy.

1646
02:41:57.906 --> 02:42:00.791
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seems like— yeah, seems like he's building quality homes.

1647
02:42:00.921 --> 02:42:02.636
<v Jamie Dunphy>I can't speak to the specifics of that.

1648
02:42:02.683 --> 02:42:10.602
<v Jamie Dunphy>I can say that he signed up for a program that thought he was going to be able to do some good and ended up stuck functionally.

1649
02:42:11.100 --> 02:42:20.449
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm— what this does is not— we're not rewarding him in any way, but we're backing away from the penalties specific to around income requirements.

1650
02:42:20.496 --> 02:42:25.073
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's not so much the price of the unit so much as who, as we were talking about earlier, who can get into there.

1651
02:42:26.181 --> 02:42:32.411
<v Jamie Dunphy>And there's just a lot of specific challenges about trying to get to those income requirements for these people, a lot of these folks.

1652
02:42:33.486 --> 02:42:34.593
<v Jamie Dunphy>They have been marketed.

1653
02:42:34.867 --> 02:42:36.521
<v Jamie Dunphy>They are actively working on it.

1654
02:42:36.601 --> 02:42:40.486
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think a lot of these actually, these 30 units are currently being rented.

1655
02:42:40.647 --> 02:42:41.450
<v Queesha Light>Mm-hmm.

1656
02:42:41.755 --> 02:42:53.907
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, but as I understand it, Specifically, this builder took out construction loans and is paying back his rent or paying back the construction loans with rents, which is not what they're ever meant to be doing.

1657
02:42:53.971 --> 02:43:05.586
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, and right now it is simply the AMI is too restrictive for a market or a product that the market will actually give to that homeowner to be able to buy that house.

1658
02:43:06.154 --> 02:43:18.847
<v Jamie Dunphy>So it is, I think, I think based also off the fact that only 4 times in the history has this project or this bonus been used, I think there is something wrong here.

1659
02:43:18.976 --> 02:43:25.093
<v Jamie Dunphy>And maybe that also implies that, you know, as you were saying, maybe this builder isn't the savvy builder to know.

1660
02:43:25.190 --> 02:43:30.102
<v Jamie Dunphy>Maybe every other builder in the city figured out you don't touch that one, the live wire.

1661
02:43:30.311 --> 02:43:39.347
<v Jamie Dunphy>But regardless, as Councilor Green was sort of saying earlier, we got to move product because we have jobs that need to get— keep going, and, and we want to make sure we don't put this guy out.

1662
02:43:39.476 --> 02:43:41.048
<v Jamie Dunphy>So that— I mean, it is a choice though.

1663
02:43:41.128 --> 02:43:41.625
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're absolutely right.

1664
02:43:41.784 --> 02:43:42.956
<v Jamie Dunphy>I mean, like, it is us interfering.

1665
02:43:43.131 --> 02:43:47.286
<v Eric Zimmerman>I do appreciate that, and I, I want to be fair to that description.

1666
02:43:47.334 --> 02:43:48.922
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that that makes a lot of sense to me.

1667
02:43:48.969 --> 02:43:53.813
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not making any sort of value judgment against anybody who's been in a tough business situation, right?

1668
02:43:53.972 --> 02:43:54.358
<v Eric Zimmerman>I get it.

1669
02:43:54.871 --> 02:43:57.436
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm happy that there are some that are built and being rented.

1670
02:43:57.502 --> 02:43:58.271
<v Eric Zimmerman>Like, that's good.

1671
02:43:58.448 --> 02:44:07.649
<v Eric Zimmerman>And, and it's really unfortunate sometimes our ideas have to, for financial reasons, transfer to another person who can keep them afloat, and we take a loss on it.

1672
02:44:07.763 --> 02:44:11.130
<v Eric Zimmerman>That is part of a market economy, um, right, Mitch?

1673
02:44:11.211 --> 02:44:12.228
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's part of a market economy.

1674
02:44:12.278 --> 02:44:13.328
<v Eric Zimmerman>Is that— did I get that right?

1675
02:44:13.409 --> 02:44:13.684
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

1676
02:44:15.254 --> 02:44:19.750
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I am all for fixing this systemic, systemic issue.

1677
02:44:19.960 --> 02:44:24.300
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm just a little cautious on fixing a property for a person in code.

1678
02:44:24.398 --> 02:44:25.727
<v Eric Zimmerman>That is giving me some heartburn.

1679
02:44:26.295 --> 02:44:30.097
<v Eric Zimmerman>So from the larger perspective, I think I can get there on this one-off.

1680
02:44:30.179 --> 02:44:32.063
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm a little— I'm going to kind of listen a little bit.

1681
02:44:32.111 --> 02:44:33.271
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm— I haven't made a decision.

1682
02:44:34.254 --> 02:44:35.364
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Zimmerman.

1683
02:44:35.461 --> 02:44:35.929
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

1684
02:44:37.088 --> 02:44:37.378
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1685
02:44:37.540 --> 02:44:44.689
<v Sameer Kanal>On the broad, uh, statements just said, I agree with Councilor Zimmerman, uh, and I don't have anything else to add on that part.

1686
02:44:45.477 --> 02:45:03.502
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, I think I'm trying to see how applying that here, because I, I also see the, the point you're making about it's It's good for us if a developer who wants to build more large units is able to do so because they have sold the units they already have, right?

1687
02:45:03.566 --> 02:45:03.906
<v Sameer Kanal>I get that.

1688
02:45:03.986 --> 02:45:04.859
<v Sameer Kanal>I get that argument too.

1689
02:45:05.568 --> 02:45:10.655
<v Andy Galizia>I have a couple unrelated to that point questions, but that are part of this amendment.

1690
02:45:11.579 --> 02:45:18.129
<v Sameer Kanal>You have added in, it's on page 4 at the very top, it's in 30.01.160.

1691
02:45:20.620 --> 02:45:25.227
<v Sameer Kanal>C4 and 5, or about to be renumbered to 4 and 5.

1692
02:45:25.900 --> 02:45:37.488
<v Sameer Kanal>You've removed and may inspect files documenting tenant income and rents of the affordable rental dwelling units and adding in PHB may inspect files documenting tenant income.

1693
02:45:38.259 --> 02:45:45.192
<v Sameer Kanal>Did I miss something about another area where the rents, the ability to inspect rents were added back in, or can you speak to why?

1694
02:45:45.289 --> 02:45:48.702
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so Why that's being reduced, the authority there?

1695
02:45:49.327 --> 02:45:57.324
<v Jamie Dunphy>This was a specific, uh, uh, PHB edit to my original language.

1696
02:45:57.371 --> 02:46:03.493
<v Jamie Dunphy>I was working back and forth with the Housing Bureau specifically, and this was one that came back, um, from PHB and the city attorney.

1697
02:46:03.605 --> 02:46:05.673
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I'm not specifically sure of that.

1698
02:46:05.977 --> 02:46:08.524
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can I see if perhaps Matt Gander or Councilor Kanali—.

1699
02:46:09.423 --> 02:46:24.047
<v Dori Hellier>It really is in clarifying So we're clarifying how the penalty would apply to the different scenarios, being one, there is a rental portion of the program that this can apply to for rent home or buildings as well.

1700
02:46:24.707 --> 02:46:31.666
<v Dori Hellier>And then there's also a penalty that needs to be established during the long-term affordability period.

1701
02:46:31.716 --> 02:46:36.542
<v Dori Hellier>There's a 10-year restriction during the first 10 years of the ownership.

1702
02:46:36.703 --> 02:46:36.769
<v Dori Hellier>Okay.

1703
02:46:37.061 --> 02:46:37.975
<v Dori Hellier>By the home buyer.

1704
02:46:38.584 --> 02:46:45.859
<v Dori Hellier>And so these changes are clarifying that there are scenarios that apply to each of those 3 different criteria.

1705
02:46:46.355 --> 02:46:51.338
<v Dori Hellier>They vary slightly only based on how the penalty would be charged.

1706
02:46:52.028 --> 02:47:14.293
<v Dori Hellier>And when I reorganized, working with the city attorney to clarify things that are for rent and things that are for sale, that was one of those pieces that just technically got moved around so all of the pieces in that particular number apply to the for-rent homes, whereas we don't do ongoing compliance on for-sale homes and wouldn't need to inspect any records.

1707
02:47:14.727 --> 02:47:24.750
<v Dori Hellier>So it's not changing of the actual content, but really just reorganizing so it's clearer between what applies to the rental projects built and for-sale projects built.

1708
02:47:25.536 --> 02:47:34.763
<v Sameer Kanal>Now, I understand in the context of— I'm looking at I'm looking at the penalty section.

1709
02:47:34.843 --> 02:47:36.690
<v Sameer Kanal>I see that 3-part that you're talking about.

1710
02:47:36.771 --> 02:47:38.617
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm one section ahead of that.

1711
02:47:38.873 --> 02:47:39.227
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, it—.

1712
02:47:39.500 --> 02:47:54.721
<v Dori Hellier>If you look in some of the, um, the strikethrough in the next number, that information was in there before, and it's just moved to clarify that it falls into the— for, for rent projects and not for sale.

1713
02:47:55.507 --> 02:48:00.958
<v Sameer Kanal>No, I guess what I'm asking is where does it still say you can inspect, that you can get information on the rents?

1714
02:48:01.022 --> 02:48:02.881
<v Sameer Kanal>Where does it still empower PHB to do that?

1715
02:48:04.308 --> 02:48:17.131
<v Dori Hellier>If you go just above it in the number that starts number 4 now with the new numbering, at the end of that it still does say PHB may inspect files documenting tenant rent or income, excuse me.

1716
02:48:18.030 --> 02:48:19.648
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so that's the thing.

1717
02:48:19.697 --> 02:48:21.156
<v Sameer Kanal>It used to say income and rent.

1718
02:48:21.363 --> 02:48:21.908
<v Andy Galizia>Now it says income.

1719
02:48:24.299 --> 02:48:25.700
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm asking, where did the—.

1720
02:48:26.085 --> 02:48:46.288
<v Dori Hellier>I mean, so we do already have as part of the annual compliance tenant income and rent information that's submitted.

1721
02:48:48.620 --> 02:48:54.233
<v Dori Hellier>I mean, I don't know if there's too much of a difference with that, but it's a technicality.

1722
02:48:55.950 --> 02:49:07.299
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, in the preceding sentence it says both, so they're required to submit, um, both income and rents, and then you can only inspect the, the income ones.

1723
02:49:07.881 --> 02:49:09.225
<v Sameer Kanal>That's how it reads right now.

1724
02:49:10.163 --> 02:49:20.814
<v Eric Zimmerman>Well, I, I think that this kind of The language in blue allows PHP to request additional information.

1725
02:49:20.990 --> 02:49:30.656
<v Eric Zimmerman>So if they had questions about someone's income, as it happens in the reporting process, I don't think that all of that documentation is provided to the city.

1726
02:49:31.667 --> 02:49:41.643
<v Andy Galizia>But if the city saw something in that information and wanted more information, it could say, could you give us bank statements or Yeah, that's all about income.

1727
02:49:41.755 --> 02:49:42.546
<v Sameer Kanal>I understand that.

1728
02:49:42.738 --> 02:49:44.029
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not asking about income.

1729
02:49:44.271 --> 02:49:53.252
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to reiterate my question because the information says the owner or representative is going to be submitting information related to rents, how much they charge.

1730
02:49:53.316 --> 02:49:54.231
<v Sameer Kanal>It's their record.

1731
02:49:54.281 --> 02:49:55.790
<v Sameer Kanal>It is not the tenants in this case.

1732
02:49:56.289 --> 02:49:59.744
<v Sameer Kanal>And then it says PHB may inspect files documenting tenant income.

1733
02:50:00.307 --> 02:50:03.507
<v Sameer Kanal>It does not say PHB, as it previously did, that PHB can document tenant income.

1734
02:50:03.591 --> 02:50:04.727
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's a little bit of a misnomer.

1735
02:50:05.530 --> 02:50:05.691
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1736
02:50:05.738 --> 02:50:07.287
<v Sameer Kanal>Can inspect records regarding rent.

1737
02:50:07.448 --> 02:50:22.898
<v Sameer Kanal>And I would like to ensure that you have the same level of access protected by law to landlord information, and they have the same level of oversight on them that tenants do, as opposed to just looking at only enabling PHB to get involved in tenant business.

1738
02:50:23.818 --> 02:50:29.148
<v Sameer Kanal>We need to be not on the side here where we're weighing ourselves, you know, we're tilting the field.

1739
02:50:29.198 --> 02:50:30.388
<v Sameer Kanal>That's why I'm asking.

1740
02:50:30.931 --> 02:50:32.236
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that's a concern to me.

1741
02:50:32.527 --> 02:50:39.827
<v Sameer Kanal>And I, I— this was honestly just a curiosity, and now I'm actually more alarmed after going through this exercise than I was at the beginning.

1742
02:50:42.644 --> 02:50:58.852
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, Council President, when you put forward down below the penalty change, um, the in excess of what would be allowed, do we have an idea of what the— what's the relevant, uh, the relative level Like what's the percentage increase or decrease we anticipate?

1743
02:50:58.933 --> 02:51:03.593
<v Jamie Dunphy>Like how much of a bonus does this program give the individual builder?

1744
02:51:04.380 --> 02:51:12.558
<v Sameer Kanal>No, how much does the penalty get reduced if you're only charging it on the portions that are in excess of what would be allowed in the underlying zone?

1745
02:51:12.832 --> 02:51:14.439
<v Sameer Kanal>Like how much more was allowed?

1746
02:51:14.760 --> 02:51:18.827
<v Sameer Kanal>If it's a 5% increase, then we're doing a 95%, well, slightly higher.

1747
02:51:19.120 --> 02:51:19.902
<v Jamie Dunphy>Right.

1748
02:51:20.568 --> 02:51:20.747
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah.

1749
02:51:22.627 --> 02:51:23.872
<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't actually know the answer to that either.

1750
02:51:24.488 --> 02:51:27.209
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's a good question.

1751
02:51:28.034 --> 02:51:30.091
<v Jamie Dunphy>Let me see if my team has an answer to that real quick.

1752
02:51:30.155 --> 02:51:30.414
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry.

1753
02:51:30.736 --> 02:51:34.084
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, I'll just get my other 2 on the record then, just in case.

1754
02:51:34.198 --> 02:51:37.254
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know who needs to be able to answer it.

1755
02:51:38.016 --> 02:51:54.263
<v Sameer Kanal>Are we expecting the median or sort of central, maybe middle 50% Percentiles here, uh, in terms of buyer income range to change in any way based on this amendment?

1756
02:51:54.440 --> 02:52:08.040
<v Sameer Kanal>And how will you evaluate whether or not the change— and I'm going to ask this about the underlying too, by the way— how do we evaluate whether or not the temporary— or sorry, the change, um, will help actually move the units?

1757
02:52:08.408 --> 02:52:09.709
<v Sameer Kanal>What's the process for that?

1758
02:52:10.496 --> 02:52:24.701
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I can tell you that my, my team specifically just got back to me and said that, um, the reduction of— in terms of the, the dollar amounts of a penalty, roughly reduces it from what would be about $40,000 per unit to down to about $13,000 per unit.

1759
02:52:25.040 --> 02:52:26.448
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1760
02:52:27.675 --> 02:52:27.772
<v Candace Avalos>Okay.

1761
02:52:31.734 --> 02:52:34.827
<v Sameer Kanal>And then I don't know if you have any, uh, responses, uh, Director Lighter.

1762
02:52:34.893 --> 02:52:36.985
<v Queesha Light>Can you repeat the, the question that you asked?

1763
02:52:37.114 --> 02:52:37.292
<v Queesha Light>Sorry.

1764
02:52:37.974 --> 02:52:51.058
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I mean, Are we expecting to see changes to what the median buyer in terms of their income level, um, based on these— based on this proposed change?

1765
02:52:51.399 --> 02:52:53.515
<v Sameer Kanal>Are we expecting to see a change in that?

1766
02:52:55.817 --> 02:52:58.468
<v Queesha Light>I think my answer to that question is this.

1767
02:52:58.566 --> 02:53:18.079
<v Queesha Light>This is the challenge that I, I have with when we're with programs, when we're trying to do them quickly, and, and because we're not in a place where, um, you know, my background is you— when you run programs, you think about up front, like, what is the, what is the hypothesis for this program, right?

1768
02:53:18.385 --> 02:53:21.275
<v Queesha Light>What are you hoping to, to learn from this program?

1769
02:53:21.596 --> 02:53:24.102
<v Queesha Light>And then you set up the, the metrics around it.

1770
02:53:24.230 --> 02:53:33.225
<v Queesha Light>And those are things that we will need to be thinking through a little bit more as we say, how are we going to be able to measure this to know that it's having the intended impact?

1771
02:53:33.272 --> 02:53:33.385
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1772
02:53:33.708 --> 02:53:36.740
<v Queesha Light>Or so that we can adjust it and change it to a different program.

1773
02:53:37.273 --> 02:53:46.570
<v Queesha Light>And I think if anything that I have observed in this time is we need more of that measure and evaluation on all these programs, right?

1774
02:53:46.619 --> 02:53:48.725
<v Queesha Light>So that we understand the impact.

1775
02:53:48.870 --> 02:53:51.168
<v Queesha Light>Are we having the right impact or not?

1776
02:53:52.322 --> 02:54:01.048
<v Queesha Light>And so when we come before you and you're trying to figure out, is this the right policy or not, then we are in a better position.

1777
02:54:01.552 --> 02:54:02.273
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I don't—.

1778
02:54:02.340 --> 02:54:05.841
<v Queesha Light>I think, and this is not a negative, I just don't know.

1779
02:54:06.209 --> 02:54:19.509
<v Queesha Light>I think we've been in a time of just, you know, we've been constructing programs and now we're trying to step back and think about not just what this program is, but how do you measure and evaluate the impact of this program.

1780
02:54:19.941 --> 02:54:27.185
<v Queesha Light>So I don't have those measures right now, but those are things that we are talking about and thinking through as a team right now.

1781
02:54:27.570 --> 02:54:28.503
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, that makes sense.

1782
02:54:29.153 --> 02:54:33.825
<v Sameer Kanal>Not only in the context of your new role, but also in the context of we're discussing it.

1783
02:54:36.000 --> 02:54:36.470
<v Queesha Light>How would you—.

1784
02:54:38.307 --> 02:54:42.808
<v Sameer Kanal>The other question, I guess you kind of answered both of them, so I'll leave it there.

1785
02:54:43.920 --> 02:54:50.367
<v Sameer Kanal>Council President, if you're open to adding and rents, that would be helpful for me to get to a yes on this particular amendment.

1786
02:54:50.478 --> 02:54:50.915
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1787
02:54:51.269 --> 02:54:51.977
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1788
02:54:54.386 --> 02:54:56.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I'm, I'm certainly open to that.

1789
02:54:56.729 --> 02:55:02.093
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I will work with my team real quick to, to add an updated language to that.

1790
02:55:02.591 --> 02:55:04.967
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1791
02:55:05.561 --> 02:55:06.413
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1792
02:55:06.460 --> 02:55:16.608
<v Loretta Smith>So I guess I'm not clear on— you just put this— well, question that I have: why didn't this go through the Housing Committee?

1793
02:55:17.186 --> 02:55:25.049
<v Jamie Dunphy>You know, we've been working on this since Working to try and find the right way to move this forward.

1794
02:55:26.319 --> 02:55:36.431
<v Jamie Dunphy>We were working on a standalone ordinance to do this separately, and because of the alignment and sort of thematically, I thought this seemed appropriate as an amendment.

1795
02:55:36.575 --> 02:55:38.468
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah, I think this is a standalone.

1796
02:55:38.516 --> 02:55:40.747
<v Loretta Smith>I think this is something that probably should go in the towel.

1797
02:55:42.239 --> 02:55:45.157
<v Loretta Smith>This does not have anything to do with the underlying ordinance.

1798
02:55:45.932 --> 02:55:49.704
<v Loretta Smith>And I'm not quite clear what we're trying to do here.

1799
02:55:52.780 --> 02:55:54.259
<v Loretta Smith>Um, it sounds like a bailout.

1800
02:55:55.111 --> 02:56:09.772
<v Loretta Smith>And so that kind of thing should be a standalone thing where we can go up or down, or, you know, try to work with the administration to try to help someone who is a business owner, or go to, you know, Prosper to try to figure out how we can help them with some funding.

1801
02:56:09.820 --> 02:56:10.528
<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Loretta Smith.

1802
02:56:10.896 --> 02:56:12.876
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I don't think this is the appropriate place.

1803
02:56:14.775 --> 02:56:15.468
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1804
02:56:15.967 --> 02:56:16.674
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

1805
02:56:20.519 --> 02:56:22.495
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, um, thank you, Council President.

1806
02:56:22.542 --> 02:56:29.290
<v Candace Avalos>I do appreciate the intent behind the amendment and have a lot of empathy for the builders that are trying to make these projects work.

1807
02:56:29.579 --> 02:56:32.185
<v Candace Avalos>We obviously need more homes and we need those homes to move.

1808
02:56:32.733 --> 02:56:44.603
<v Candace Avalos>Um, that said, based on what I've heard from the PHB staff, I'm not convinced that We understand yet how this change is going to interact with the rest of our homeownership programs, or whether it addresses the underlying issue that we're trying to solve.

1809
02:56:44.667 --> 02:56:53.450
<v Candace Avalos>So to me, this is exactly why we're taking on the unified housing strategy, something we both did together, and have a number of housing programs on the books.

1810
02:56:54.686 --> 02:57:01.254
<v Candace Avalos>And we owe it to Portlanders to evaluate whether they're working as intended, how they're fitting together, and where they need to be improved.

1811
02:57:01.302 --> 02:57:08.318
<v Candace Avalos>So I want us to continue investing in that work rather than making changes program by program without that broader understanding.

1812
02:57:08.367 --> 02:57:11.081
<v Candace Avalos>So unfortunately, I can't support this amendment today.

1813
02:57:12.028 --> 02:57:12.815
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1814
02:57:13.554 --> 02:57:16.476
<v Jamie Dunphy>I just also would like to very quickly mention my staff.

1815
02:57:16.781 --> 02:57:24.456
<v Jamie Dunphy>The intention was originally to have this as part of the original SDC ordinance, that so that we didn't have to amend this in.

1816
02:57:24.889 --> 02:57:28.453
<v Jamie Dunphy>We've been working with the city attorneys and the housing bureau to finalize this language.

1817
02:57:28.519 --> 02:57:30.076
<v Jamie Dunphy>It did not— the timing did not align.

1818
02:57:30.125 --> 02:57:38.717
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, um, and Councilor, uh, Kanal, I am getting the additional 2 words added to that amendment.

1819
02:57:39.432 --> 02:57:44.182
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I will— I believe my team are sending that around right now.

1820
02:57:45.102 --> 02:58:03.263
<v Queesha Light>Um, Council President, may I ask, um, Councilor Kanal, because I wanted to make sure that we're fully understanding what you're hoping to capture with the and rent piece, because as I'm reading it, I'm— what I'm seeing is the ability for us to get those documents.

1821
02:58:03.359 --> 02:58:08.801
<v Queesha Light>And so I want to make sure that we're not missing what you're hoping for us to gain.

1822
02:58:09.058 --> 02:58:10.568
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm going to save us all some time.

1823
02:58:10.665 --> 02:58:12.719
<v Sameer Kanal>I will answer your question, Director Light, because it's a good one.

1824
02:58:13.234 --> 02:58:23.220
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm probably going to vote no on the amendment to just as a whole, because I actually— I don't think it should be part of the TAO, but I do I do think it makes sense as a standalone, and I appreciate Councilor Smith bringing that up.

1825
02:58:23.591 --> 02:58:31.168
<v Sameer Kanal>However, I do want to take this opportunity because I keep seeing changes that are, we're going to dig into tenant stuff, but we're not going to dig into landlord stuff.

1826
02:58:31.570 --> 02:58:31.730
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay.

1827
02:58:31.779 --> 02:58:35.055
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think we need to be a city that's on the side of the tenants.

1828
02:58:35.471 --> 02:58:40.145
<v Sameer Kanal>We need to be a city on the side of the renters, the 47% of people that rent, which is slightly higher in District 2.

1829
02:58:40.691 --> 02:58:49.950
<v Sameer Kanal>And that's what I'm concerned about broadly is the, We're going to take away this tool that change had it not been there before.

1830
02:58:50.569 --> 02:58:53.049
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm you know we may not have noticed it in this particular case.

1831
02:58:53.049 --> 02:59:01.030
<v Sameer Kanal>You may not have looked into it, but it's the idea of we're going to get this information, but we're only going to look into the part where we can come down on a renter and by verifying their income.

1832
02:59:01.030 --> 02:59:07.309
<v Sameer Kanal>It's it's we've already had the conversation about it being too hard to to verify that you're poor, and now we're only going to inspect that.

1833
02:59:07.309 --> 02:59:10.370
<v Sameer Kanal>But we're not going to inspect whether or not the we're going to ask.

1834
02:59:10.379 --> 02:59:10.443
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

1835
02:59:10.492 --> 02:59:13.751
<v Sameer Kanal>For the information but not be able to verify it, dig into it, inspect it.

1836
02:59:14.184 --> 02:59:16.385
<v Sameer Kanal>That's to me what the underlying concern is.

1837
02:59:16.433 --> 02:59:18.487
<v Sameer Kanal>And so it's about what message we send.

1838
02:59:18.536 --> 02:59:22.599
<v Sameer Kanal>It's about where we give ourselves the power and who we're actually digging into.

1839
02:59:22.679 --> 02:59:32.826
<v Sameer Kanal>Because we have a tendency, and this is way bigger than the Housing Bureau, it's maybe not even applicable to the Housing Bureau, but it's certainly society-wide, of we're going to mess with the people that are poor.

1840
02:59:32.890 --> 02:59:35.844
<v Sameer Kanal>We're going to ask them for all this paperwork and stuff.

1841
02:59:36.102 --> 02:59:42.391
<v Sameer Kanal>And if you are rich enough to own a house that you can rent out for someone else, a house that you don't even need to live in, we're not going to dig into that.

1842
02:59:42.856 --> 02:59:44.125
<v Sameer Kanal>That's what it's about for me.

1843
02:59:45.087 --> 02:59:56.801
<v Queesha Light>Okay, um, I, I was just going to offer that I honestly feel like the first sentence is all that's needed, and the second sentence probably could have been removed, but— and that would have probably taken care of the issue.

1844
02:59:56.865 --> 02:59:58.084
<v Queesha Light>Yeah, yeah, sure.

1845
02:59:58.309 --> 02:59:59.064
<v Zelaine Nunn>Okay, okay.

1846
03:00:00.075 --> 03:00:04.817
<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, seeing no one else in the queue, I, I will not bother drafting that Amendment change.

1847
03:00:05.060 --> 03:00:08.281
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, Rebecca, can we move to a roll call vote please on Dunphy 1?

1848
03:00:09.448 --> 03:00:17.915
<v Rebecca Dobert>Calling Dunphy 1, uh, amendment to document number 2026-205, moved by Dunphy, seconded by Novick.

1849
03:00:18.398 --> 03:00:18.932
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

1850
03:00:20.255 --> 03:00:20.304
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1851
03:00:21.370 --> 03:00:21.775
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

1852
03:00:22.198 --> 03:00:22.377
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1853
03:00:23.091 --> 03:00:23.496
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

1854
03:00:23.740 --> 03:00:23.790
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1855
03:00:24.813 --> 03:00:25.154
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

1856
03:00:25.609 --> 03:00:25.656
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1857
03:00:26.583 --> 03:00:26.891
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

1858
03:00:28.727 --> 03:00:32.093
<v Mitch Green>I invite you to I'm happy to bring this to Housing Committee if it fails.

1859
03:00:32.843 --> 03:00:33.004
<v Mitch Green>No.

1860
03:00:34.713 --> 03:00:35.006
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

1861
03:00:36.932 --> 03:00:36.951
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

1862
03:00:36.951 --> 03:00:37.809
<v Rebecca Dobert>I'm sorry, that was a no?

1863
03:00:37.987 --> 03:00:38.132
<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

1864
03:00:38.376 --> 03:00:38.683
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

1865
03:00:39.768 --> 03:00:40.139
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

1866
03:00:42.404 --> 03:00:42.582
<v Candace Avalos>No.

1867
03:00:43.163 --> 03:00:44.358
<v Rebecca Dobert>Also a no from Avalos?

1868
03:00:45.037 --> 03:00:45.279
<v Candace Avalos>No.

1869
03:00:45.763 --> 03:00:46.247
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

1870
03:00:47.217 --> 03:00:47.587
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

1871
03:00:48.023 --> 03:00:48.153
<v Loretta Smith>No.

1872
03:00:49.622 --> 03:00:49.945
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

1873
03:00:50.689 --> 03:00:54.594
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I'm happy to be supportive if and when it comes to, to the, um, committee, but no.

1874
03:00:57.730 --> 03:00:57.796
<v Sameer Kanal>No.

1875
03:00:58.540 --> 03:00:58.930
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

1876
03:00:59.772 --> 03:00:59.918
<v Dan Ryan>No.

1877
03:01:00.825 --> 03:01:01.199
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

1878
03:01:01.862 --> 03:01:01.960
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1879
03:01:03.888 --> 03:01:07.557
<v Rebecca Dobert>And the amendment fails with 4 aye, 8 nay.

1880
03:01:08.060 --> 03:01:12.370
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, discussion of the underlying amendment or underlying ordinance now.

1881
03:01:15.328 --> 03:01:15.947
<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Kanal.

1882
03:01:17.864 --> 03:01:34.395
<v Sameer Kanal>So, I guess the same questions from before, but now applied to the underlying about how do we have an— and this one I hope we may have a little more information about because it's been a little deeper in development.

1883
03:01:35.638 --> 03:01:38.771
<v Sameer Kanal>How do we expect things to change?

1884
03:01:39.093 --> 03:01:44.815
<v Sameer Kanal>What are the metrics we would be looking for to understand if passing this ordinance made an impact?

1885
03:01:50.175 --> 03:02:04.950
<v Dori Hellier>So we have— yes, Councilor Kanal, there's again a limited number of homes that this will apply to at this point since new homes built with a temporary SDC exemption are already exempt.

1886
03:02:05.451 --> 03:02:13.010
<v Dori Hellier>So the intention in what we can monitor then is, are these going, you know, are they moving forward with sales or are they not?

1887
03:02:13.058 --> 03:02:27.949
<v Dori Hellier>So I guess the question is, And if they're not, frankly, we do have a compliance process that we need to pursue and be looking at whether or not there are further default per our regulatory agreements recorded on title and that sort of thing.

1888
03:02:28.623 --> 03:02:40.493
<v Dori Hellier>Our certain goal with the program, all things aside of the fact that we would like to review the total suite of programs for goals and outcomes, but it is to have affordable units.

1889
03:02:40.605 --> 03:02:42.083
<v Dori Hellier>It's not for them to sit on the market.

1890
03:02:42.130 --> 03:02:43.753
<v Dori Hellier>It's not for them to be rented.

1891
03:02:44.298 --> 03:02:53.738
<v Dori Hellier>And so that's what we're trying to do with the program, is keep them as affordable and home— and homes that are affordable, whether it's with an income or not.

1892
03:02:53.915 --> 03:03:03.468
<v Dori Hellier>Um, and so we will be still monitoring the owner occupancy at sale, and we will still be monitoring the sale price of the home.

1893
03:03:03.566 --> 03:03:12.380
<v Dori Hellier>So we will be able to track Yeah, time on market.

1894
03:03:12.540 --> 03:03:20.231
<v Queesha Light>I would say we need to understand at what AMI, and if we can get a sense of that from the, the documents.

1895
03:03:20.408 --> 03:03:26.816
<v Queesha Light>Some of it we won't because they're not verifying, and so we're going to try to do the best that we can to understand some of those things.

1896
03:03:26.912 --> 03:03:27.023
<v Queesha Light>Yeah.

1897
03:03:27.425 --> 03:03:28.147
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, thanks.

1898
03:03:28.212 --> 03:03:30.588
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that, and I'm intending to support this.

1899
03:03:32.183 --> 03:03:32.361
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks.

1900
03:03:32.425 --> 03:03:33.121
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Khan.

1901
03:03:33.235 --> 03:03:33.931
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

1902
03:03:35.259 --> 03:03:37.104
<v Eric Zimmerman>I move to limit debate to those in the queue.

1903
03:03:37.218 --> 03:03:40.245
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I will go ahead and limit debate to those in the queue.

1904
03:03:40.950 --> 03:03:41.436
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1905
03:03:41.550 --> 03:03:44.851
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I can take myself out of the queue so we can just move if others aren't talking.

1906
03:03:45.127 --> 03:03:46.980
<v Jamie Dunphy>I mean, you're welcome to talk.

1907
03:03:48.090 --> 03:03:58.210
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, we can pass— we are going to pass this item to second reading.

1908
03:04:00.115 --> 03:04:03.970
<v Jamie Dunphy>And colleagues, as we have 8 minutes left, we really don't have enough time.

1909
03:04:04.036 --> 03:04:05.239
<v Jamie Dunphy>Actually, I'll check with Councilor Zimmerman.

1910
03:04:05.289 --> 03:04:07.634
<v Jamie Dunphy>Would you rather continue this to another—.

1911
03:04:07.923 --> 03:04:11.380
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think we can get through a first reading, to be honest.

1912
03:04:11.702 --> 03:04:12.878
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, let's open it up then.

1913
03:04:13.377 --> 03:04:16.097
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, that's— can we please call item number 12?

1914
03:04:16.819 --> 03:04:30.159
<v Rebecca Dobert>Item 12, add electric vehicle charging systems funding code, add Code Chapter 26B This is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

1915
03:04:30.260 --> 03:04:35.760
<v Steve Novick>Christopher Hare, who's been waiting patiently all day, Council Operations, is here with a committee staff summary report.

1916
03:04:35.760 --> 03:04:37.209
<v Eric Zimmerman>Read fast there, bolo.

1917
03:04:38.840 --> 03:04:39.930
<v Christopher Hare>Yeah, we'll go fast here.

1918
03:04:40.379 --> 03:04:44.430
<v Christopher Hare>Um, for the record, Christopher Hare, Council Operations Policy Analyst, staff to the City Life Committee.

1919
03:04:44.639 --> 03:04:49.540
<v Christopher Hare>So the ordinance before you, document number 2026-209, was considered in the City Life Committee on July 14th.

1920
03:04:49.656 --> 03:04:51.774
<v Christopher Hare>It was referred to council with the recommendation it be passed.

1921
03:04:52.240 --> 03:04:56.384
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance adds City Code Chapter 21.11, Electrical Vehicle Charging Systems Funding.

1922
03:04:57.041 --> 03:05:09.438
<v Christopher Hare>The chapter establishes workforce requirements for electrical vehicle or EV charging system installations when the city funds all or part of the installation of the charging station system located on the customer side of the electric meter.

1923
03:05:09.887 --> 03:05:16.870
<v Christopher Hare>Under the chapter, covered installations must be performed by contractors holding all licenses Thank you.

1924
03:05:16.870 --> 03:05:40.629
<v Christopher Hare>Thank you, Mayor Wilson.

1925
03:05:40.629 --> 03:05:41.180
<v Andy Galizia>Yes.

1926
03:05:41.180 --> 03:05:41.180
<v Christopher Hare>Second.

1927
03:05:41.180 --> 03:05:41.180
<v Christopher Hare>Any opposed?

1928
03:05:41.180 --> 03:05:41.180
<v Christopher Hare>Motion passes.

1929
03:05:41.180 --> 03:05:47.180
<v Christopher Hare>Second reading of Ordinance 2024-15, EV Charging Systems in Residential Buildings, requires that electricians performing installation work hold an EVITP or equivalent certification.

1930
03:05:47.180 --> 03:05:56.219
<v Christopher Hare>The chapter exempts from these requirements installation of EV charging systems serving single-family dwellings, townhouses, and multifamily residential buildings with 4 or fewer dwelling units.

1931
03:05:56.219 --> 03:06:09.913
<v Christopher Hare>Finally, the ordinance directs the Bureau of Fleet and Facilities, importantly, Clean Energy Community Benefits Fund, to provide annual reports to council on EV charging projects subject to the EVITP or equivalent training requirements, including whether the Workforce requirements were met.

1932
03:06:10.201 --> 03:06:16.254
<v Christopher Hare>Full impact statements on the item includes economic and real estate development impacts, community impacts and community involvement, and 100% renewable goals.

1933
03:06:16.559 --> 03:06:19.932
<v Christopher Hare>No verbal or written testimony was provided prior to committee action on July 14th.

1934
03:06:20.076 --> 03:06:21.409
<v Christopher Hare>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

1935
03:06:21.458 --> 03:06:21.746
<v Christopher Hare>Thank you.

1936
03:06:22.325 --> 03:06:23.128
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Christopher.

1937
03:06:23.529 --> 03:06:25.054
<v Sameer Kanal>Look at that, really impressive.

1938
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, this came out of the City Life Committee.

1939
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That overview was fantastic, and I am going to turn it over to the person who brought forward the policy.

1940
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, if you ever get fired We know you can sell Micro Machines from the '80s.

1941
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<v Eric Zimmerman>That was great.

1942
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Hey, so colleagues, this is really about safety and workforce.

1943
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<v Eric Zimmerman>That's really what this comes down to.

1944
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<v Eric Zimmerman>As we expand into a larger network of vehicle charging, which is something I think is how we get electrical vehicles to the rest of the population as we make that change, the City of Portland is going to be putting money behind those projects, those community projects.

1945
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<v Eric Zimmerman>The state of Oregon took action to say if you're going to use state money to do those types of things, we are going to require that you be certified in doing it.

1946
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<v Eric Zimmerman>It's a basics.

1947
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I have with us Chris from IBEW.

1948
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<v Eric Zimmerman>He presented to us during committee.

1949
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<v Eric Zimmerman>What you'd hear from him if he was presenting, and he can ask questions, answer questions if you need them, is that already for an electrician going through the training program, the apprenticeship program, they get this certification already in the program.

1950
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<v Eric Zimmerman>This is about Uh, making sure that those who have been electricians for a long time are also getting that certification and coming back to the workforce and making sure that we are putting— if we're going to put city dollars behind a thing, we're just like the state and we make sure that it's certified, it's safe, and that it grows the workforce.

1951
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Again, this is not about your home charger.

1952
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<v Eric Zimmerman>This is about the banks.

1953
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And that's why you heard that.

1954
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think it was 25-kilowatt standard.

1955
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I would appreciate your support on it.

1956
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I appreciate the Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1957
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Colleagues, is there—.

1958
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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are now into— well, actually, first, has anybody signed up to testify on this?

1959
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<v Rebecca Dobert>No one has signed up.

1960
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

1961
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, technical clarifying or discussion questions?

1962
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

1963
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<v Mitch Green>Yeah, I appreciate you bringing this forward, Councilor Zimmerman.

1964
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<v Mitch Green>I drive an EV.

1965
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<v Mitch Green>I routinely see EVs parked in the city streets.

1966
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<v Mitch Green>I routinely try to charge my EV at multiple commercial places and it's always out of order.

1967
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<v Mitch Green>And my instinct is that maybe there was someone who didn't— maybe that firm, that bank or institution didn't pony up and get the right level of labor to do that.

1968
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<v Mitch Green>Do you think that this sort of gets us to a place that makes sure we have the highest quality workers who are trained to do this work, are actually putting those in so we have a better end-use experience for the public?

1969
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<v Mitch Green>I think that's a great question.

1970
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I sure hope so.

1971
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, I think that the provisions in here about, about 25% of those who are working on that project have to be certified gets us to that place where it's a new technology.

1972
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And like all new technologies, you might understand the, the theory behind the industry, which is what we call it, Chris, electrical theory.

1973
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<v Eric Zimmerman>But there's a point in which the, the actual product itself has some specifications.

1974
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that's what we're trying to do here.

1975
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that anytime you've got an emerging technology, an emerging market, we've seen a lot of things kind of explode in a good way.

1976
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<v Eric Zimmerman>The market has exploded, but also we want to make sure that nothing explodes with real flames, right?

1977
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<v Eric Zimmerman>So I think that, I think that we'll get to a more reliable system as we move forward.

1978
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<v Eric Zimmerman>And as we're watching, the market is now getting more universal, meaning this brand can charge at that brand's location versus the per I'm glad that you completed the next part of that analogy and made sure we're not exploding in the wrong way.

1979
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah.

1980
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<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, and when the government is putting money behind that, I think us being smart to enhance all types of vehicles is better than just like one brand over the other as well.

1981
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<v Mitch Green>I'm glad that you completed the next part of that analogy and made sure we're not exploding in the wrong way.

1982
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<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

1983
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<v Mitch Green>Um, and I see here on item 3, there's an intention to approve a resolution There's this idea that this helps invest in the future of our workforce.

1984
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<v Mitch Green>Uh, are we thumbs up or thumbs down?

1985
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<v Mitch Green>Is this an apprenticeship pipeline thing that you're thinking?

1986
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<v Dan Ryan>Got it.

1987
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<v Mitch Green>All right, I'm, I'm prepared to support it.

1988
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Green.

1989
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, this item now moves to a second reading.

1990
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<v Jamie Dunphy>That completes our agenda for the day— for the week, and we are adjourned.

1991
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

