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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I am calling back to order this recessed meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, do we start with the roll?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That's always a good thing.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Let's do the roll.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Good afternoon.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Zimmerman?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Present.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

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<v Dan Ryan>Here.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please read the rules of decorum for the chamber?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes, Council President.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portland.gov/council/agenda.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Thank you.

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<v Christopher Hare>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, before we get started today, I want to briefly discuss how things are going to flow during this meeting.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>As you'll recall, last night, We held over 2 proposed supplemental budgets to continue their first readings to the end of today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Those items have been placed at the end of today's agenda to allow us to move forward some necessary business before returning to that discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>As my office has communicated on multiple channels, we have extended this meeting to be no later than 6:00 PM to allow the appropriate space for work to be concluded.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We're gonna start today with 2 administrative items that are critically time-bound.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll then work through 2 pieces of councilor-originated legislation that carried public notice.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That carry noticed public testimony, rather.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I intend for us to take up the supplemental budgets no earlier than the end of public testimony on item 9, likely no later than 4:30 PM.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Items 8 and 9 may not complete a vote or a first reading today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>If not, there is enough flex in next week's meetings to bring them back then.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Regardless of where we are, I'll be moving to pass the supplemental budgets to second reading no later than 6:00 PM today, as our labor partners deserve clarity on a second reading meeting at least 2 weeks before scheduled layoffs.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Onwards.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please read item number 6?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 6, authorize letter of agreement with the Laborers International Union of North America Local 483 for premium pay to assistants and aides as defined in the Preschool for All program, document number 2026-241.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is an emergency ordinance, and, uh, with us is— is it Sarah Daley with Labor Relations?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Hey, hiya, welcome, take it away.

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<v Sarah Daley>Try and share my screen here for a moment.

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<v Sarah Daley>There we go.

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<v Sarah Daley>Good afternoon, councilors.

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<v Sarah Daley>For the record, Sarah Daley with Labor Relations, City of Portland.

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<v Sarah Daley>I'm here to, um, bring before you a letter of agreement with LIUNA.

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<v Sarah Daley>You may recall that I was here approximately a year ago for the first version of this Premium for recreation associates working in preschool classrooms.

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<v Sarah Daley>Just a reminder that Multnomah County runs the Preschool for All program, and we have 11 classrooms in the city at 9 separate parks and recreation sites, and that all Preschool for All funding comes from Multnomah County.

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<v Sarah Daley>So this is a letter of agreement that has a yearly renewal that's required.

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<v Sarah Daley>Because Multnomah County sets their own yearly adjustments.

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<v Sarah Daley>And so therefore the difference has to be made up between their minimum wages that they share with us in approximately late winter, early spring, and our entry wage for recreation associates.

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<v Sarah Daley>So for the last fiscal year, the minimum wage rate for Preschool for All aides was $22.27.

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<v Sarah Daley>The entry wage for a recreation associate, which is the classification that fills that role, was $19.50.

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<v Sarah Daley>Okay.

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<v Sarah Daley>$2.99, And therefore the premium was set at $2.28.

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<v Sarah Daley>That's for any hours worked in preschool classrooms.

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<v Sarah Daley>For this year, the minimum wage rate set by Multnomah County for, uh, the Preschool for All aides is $23.16.

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<v Sarah Daley>After the July 1 COLA, the entry wage for a recreation associate was $20.59, and therefore the premium will be $2.57.

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<v Sarah Daley>And then Um, with the same caveat that I will be here again next year to do this all again.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent, thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, Rebecca, do we have folks signed up to testify on this?

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<v Keelan McClymont>We do.

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<v Keelan McClymont>We have 2 folks signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, let's go to testimony before we do any technical or clarifying questions, combine that with council discussion, and get our folks to come.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, uh, we have Anne Casper and Ryan Sotomayor.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan's online.

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<v Keelan McClymont>You can go ahead, Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think the tech is working.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Hello, Council President.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Hello, fellow councilors.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Nice to see you all again.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Appreciate your time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, just want to encourage an enthusiastic yes vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, from each of you on this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Preschool for All aides do remarkable work.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>They support the lead preschool teachers.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>They do so much positive work for our communities, and Multnomah County is paying for this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So, uh, I was an enthusiastic signer on this, and I will yield the rest of my time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Ryan.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And Casper.

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<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, is there any discussion, technical clarifying questions, or any further comments on this?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, I just quickly want to say that, um, a wage of $23.75 16 cents an hour means that a worker is making about an estimated take-home pay of about $2,700 a month after taxes.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And thinking about rent and living expenses, that's not quite enough to meet ends meet in Portland.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I want to specifically call out that care work is really important and vital work, especially taking care of our children.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And systemically, it's really undervalued.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Every worker deserves to have a living, thriving wage, and I hope that in the future we can— it can be even more.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So while I support the increase, I hope that we can be a better example down the road and make sure that our staff are getting paid what they need to both work and live here in Portland.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, this is an emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It requires 9 votes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebeca, can we please call the roll?

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<v Keelan McClymont>I'm sorry.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Councilor Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Ditto to everything Councilor Koyama Lane said.

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<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

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<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 12 aye votes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call item number 7?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 7, extend lease with Urban Office and Parking Facilities for the City Kids Child Care and Development Center space by 5 years, amend CLM Contract 10014, document number 2026-216.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I believe Christopher Hare with Council Operations is here for a committee staff summary report.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, Christopher.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry to make you jump.

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<v Christopher Hare>No, that's, uh, my apologies.

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<v Christopher Hare>Um, good afternoon, Council President, Vice President, and councilors.

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<v Christopher Hare>For the record, Christopher Hare, Council Operations Policy Analyst, and I serve as staff to the City Life Committee.

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<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-216, was considered in the City Life Committee on June 23rd, where it was referred to Council with a recommendation that it be passed.

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<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance authorizes execution of a 5-year lease with the Clown Plaza landlord for childcare space to be occupied and operated by Joyful Noise Incorporated, doing business as City Kids Childcare and Development Center, or City Kids.

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<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance requires that all lease documents receive approval as to form by the City Attorney or designated deputy prior to execution.

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<v Christopher Hare>It assigns responsibility for the lease's fiscal and performance obligations to the Bureau of Fleet and Facilities, BFF, while the Bureau of Human Resources, BHR, will ensure its contractor, Joyful Noise Incorporated, occupies and uses the space in accordance with the lease terms and supports BFF's lease administration.

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<v Christopher Hare>The city's contribution towards City Kids operating costs will continue to be funded through the participating city bureaus and facilities in the Downtown Blended Rate Program.

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<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance authorizes— ordinance also authorizes the city administrator or designee to prepare future budget documents necessary to account for the city's legal, contractual, and fiscal obligations under the lease.

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<v Christopher Hare>The estimated total cost for the rent and associated landlord operating expenses over the 5-year lease term is $1,256,283.

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<v Christopher Hare>The full impact statements on this includes financial and budgetary impacts.

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<v Christopher Hare>There is no verbal or written testimony provided during committee.

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<v Christopher Hare>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

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<v Christopher Hare>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Christopher.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, this came out of the City Life Committee.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Any opening remarks for me?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah, colleagues, this is a simple lease renewal with the Crowne Plaza for a child— childcare space.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The City of Portland used to offer childcare services within the Portland Building.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When the Portland Building was remodeled, that program was moved to this space at the Crowne Plaza, and this is a renewal of that lease.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is a pretty simple renewal I will note that during the committee, there was a discussion amongst a few of us about tuition rates, accessibility, and enrollment in the program, including how to maximize the benefit of the program for city employees in the future and how we might think about this program moving forward.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll note that there was also a conversation related to the remarks that Councilor Koyama Lane made regarding the need to have a program made on the last item about the fact that without subsidy, the cost of child care will never be able to meet the need for wages within the child care industry at a level that is affordable both for child care users and provides a living wage for child care providers.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And one of the ways to address that is through subsidy.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This program provides a subsidy through the provision of thank you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilmember Herbold, you have the floor.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is a lease for a space by the city in order to guarantee slots at what is a more affordable level than most child care of this quality in our city, uh, that provides a preference for city employees.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This lease allows us to continue that program for the next 5 years.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's something that the committee felt was important and that the administration wants to make sure we continue to provide.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thanks so much, Council President.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, Rebecca, has anyone signed up to testify on this item?

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<v Keelan McClymont>No one has signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, we are now into technical clarifying or council discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>I have a couple of questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, I'm not sure what side of town is this we have folks from Bureau of Human Resources here to help answer those.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But Christopher, I appreciate you jumping in.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I wanted to also know what is the percentage of city employees' kids that attend this daycare?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, thank you, Councilor, and good afternoon, Council President, Council Vice President, city councilors.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Ron Zito, HR Interim Director.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>In terms of the location of the facility, City Kids is located, I believe it would be just to the, let's see, it would be the south of the Keller.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, it's downtown.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That's correct.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so what's the capacity?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, the capacity currently, there's 96 children.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm sorry, that's incorrect.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Let me get up to the current numbers here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The facility is licensed for 87 children.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

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<v Loretta Smith>And how many city employees are using it?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Total city enrollees is 37, or 58% as of June of 2026.

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<v Loretta Smith>58%.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so do they also get a subsidy In addition to having the space subsidized, are they also getting a subsidy for the actual childcare services?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There's no direct subsidy for city employees' families that participate, but there is priority consideration in enrollment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And the overall rate of the support is much less than typical competitors in the area.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Okay.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so that doesn't— the Preschool for All, this couldn't be like a Preschool for All daycare?

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<v Loretta Smith>Or, or, uh, Oregon Promise?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It does participate in Preschool for All.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, so there is a subsidy on it of sorts?

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<v Terry Harris>Correct.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>For those participating in the Preschool for All, there is the county arrangement.

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<v Loretta Smith>Okay, okay, perfect.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Steve Wong>Of course.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, at the committee, I asked a lot of these similar questions too about just who is benefiting from City Kids and how the program supports city employees.

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<v Candace Avalos>Uh, I raised those questions because childcare is one of the biggest challenges that are facing working families, and I do appreciate that the city has had this longstanding commitment to provide this resource.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, but I also think it's important that we continue elevating whether we're maximizing the value of this investment, because we are committing, you know, $1.2 million over the course of a 5-year lease.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, but the, the primary benefit to employees is priority enrollment rather than you know, significantly reduced tuition or other direct financial assistance.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I think as we're continuing to talk about employee recruitment and retention, I hope we're also exploring the ways that we can make childcare more accessible and affordable to our employees.

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<v Candace Avalos>I had asked also about whether, like, why it wasn't in the Portland building, right?

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<v Candace Avalos>And like, it was originally there, there was the renovation.

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<v Candace Avalos>It doesn't sound like there's any potential for it to return to the Portland building, which I think is a shame because I think that was a benefit to have it nearby.

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<v Candace Avalos>I know it's kind of close to City Hall, but still.

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<v Candace Avalos>So yeah, I just wanted to raise that as we are having a lot of tough labor negotiations and a lot of what we are able to put on the table is not often financial.

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<v Candace Avalos>And so this to me, I mean, obviously this is a financial commitment in a way, but It's a different kind of investment in employees that I think we should elevate.

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<v Candace Avalos>And I would love to see the city, you know, propose ideas to us in upcoming labor negotiations or just upcoming budgets about how we can expand this benefit.

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<v Candace Avalos>I think it's good that it does qualify for Preschool for All, and I think we need to expand that.

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<v Candace Avalos>But what I'm hearing too is that it's not necessarily as accessible and I want to increase that.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I will be supporting this ordinance, but I wanted to put on the record my expectation that we continue to find ways to increase subsidy to employees for childcare.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith, I just wanted to add to your line of questioning that what we heard in committee was that this program is both— both has Preschool for All slots and participates in the ERDC program, the Employment Related Daycare program.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So there are 2 paths there for subsidy, and their rates are— I will just say anecdotally from my knowledge having young kids— a few hundred dollars a month less than what you would typically pay for child care with these extended hours.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It runs from, I believe, 8 in the morning until 6 in the evening, I think.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So it's a full workday coverage for your base price as opposed to having to pay additional for extended hours.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I will also add to what Councilor Avalos said, that there was a pretty robust discussion about how we subsidize child care and whether we should think about subsidizing child care for our employees in a way that benefits more city employees than this program is able to.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Obviously, this level of investment thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue to discuss this, this is a non-emergency— first reading of a non-emergency item.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This, uh, ordinance, this now moves to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, can we please call item number 8?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you both.

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<v Eric Engstrom>Thank you.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 8, direct the city administrator to reestablish a permitting improvement team to lead the second phase of the code alignment project, document number 2026-203.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is a, uh, resolution coming out of on behalf of the Housing and Permitting Committee, Claire Adamsick with Council Operations is here for a committee staff summary report.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Take it away, Claire.

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<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

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<v Claire Adamsick>For the record, Claire Adamsick, Council Policy Analyst and staff to the Housing and Permitting Committee.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The resolution before you, document number 2026-203, was heard in the Housing and Permitting Committee on June 16th, where it was referred to full council with a recommendation it be adopted.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The resolution urges the city administrator to reestablish a permitting improvement team within the Community and Economic Development Service Area to initiate the second phase of the city's code alignment project, or CAP 2.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The resolution requests that the city administrator and the deputy city administrators ensure participation in this effort by all relevant city service areas and bureaus to identify and resolve code and regulatory conflicts with the goal of consolidating the city's permitting authority, reducing regulatory burdens, and encouraging economic development.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The resolution further clarifies that the permitting improvement team, at the city administrator's direction, is authorized to serve as the coordinating lead of this work, including convening an external advisory body with stakeholders experienced in design, construction, permitting, and development to provide guidance to the team.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The city administrator is asked to ensure that all improvements to city administrative rules, procedures, and city code be made in collaboration with council and focus on improvements to encourage economic development.

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<v Claire Adamsick>Finally, the resolution requests delivery of the following from the city administrator to the city council.

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<v Claire Adamsick>A report within 60 days of adoption of the resolution that outlines the CAP2 project scope, timelines, staffing, and resource needs.

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<v Claire Adamsick>A work plan within 150 days of adoption that identifies a permanent code team responsible for code and administrative rule drafting, a list of city code chapters requiring amendment, and a framework for centralizing development review and permitting under a single city entity, an assessment of the benefits and challenges of this consolidation.

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<v Claire Adamsick>And finally, identification of staff and resources needed for this work, as well as quarterly progress reports on CAP2 improvement work.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The full impact statement on this item includes information on economic and real estate development impacts and analysis, and community impacts and community involvement.

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<v Claire Adamsick>2 People provided verbal testimony at the committee meeting on June 16th, and 2 people submitted written testimony prior to the committee's action.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The general themes of this testimony that the committee heard included highlighting the increased complexity of the permitting process and adverse impacts to project timelines.

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<v Claire Adamsick>Recognizing the urgency in removing barriers to develop needed housing of all types for all income levels.

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<v Claire Adamsick>The need for mechanisms for the city to hold housing developers accountable and ensure compliance with fire life and safety standards, particularly for affordable housing properties.

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<v Claire Adamsick>And finally, support for the resolution's emphasis on a single coordinating authority focusing on codes that.

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<v Claire Adamsick>Drive costs and delay, and identifying a sustainable funding strategy and centering accountability and stakeholder input.

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<v Claire Adamsick>And that concludes the city staff summary— committee staff summary.

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<v Claire Adamsick>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Claire.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos, this came out of your committee.

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<v Candace Avalos>Yes, thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>It came to committee.

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<v Candace Avalos>I won't add much more than what Claire said.

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<v Candace Avalos>It passed out of committee with little discussion with a 5-0 vote.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I'll leave it at that.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, as the chief sponsor of this, I have a couple of opening remarks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, so colleagues, Portland has the slowest permitting system in the region, averaging 413 days for a multi-family permit, which is nearly double the time of Vancouver or Hillsboro.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So even though our processes are nearly identical across cities, for some reason it just It takes way longer to move through ours.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And even though it's cliché, time is money.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>These delays don't just cost individuals.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The city lost an estimated $700 million in development investments last year alone.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>To be clear, I don't think any of this is intentional.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The slow process is simply what happens when you have decades of siloed operations and code writing with every bureau having some control but no one having accountability for system-wide performance.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>CAP 2 is our chance to change this, to empower a team— this team to cut red tape resolving conflicts across zoning, right-of-way, admin rules, internal procedures, and more.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It's an opportunity to look at permitting and code reform as a tool for economic development and to ask ourselves, how will we ensure that permittees get the same answers from permitting and development and Bureau of Transportation staff every time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>To me, this resolution is just asking for simplicity.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have limited staff and resources, so we need to ensure that we are not wasting time by continually negotiating project issues that should have clear and objective standards.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We need simple code writing systems that ensure issues raised— that ensures issues are raised by the implementing staff and that our customers are— and from our customers.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>At the end of the day, we're public servants, and I hope that in revisiting this work, we're reminded that permitting in the city isn't a privilege that we grant, but it's a service we owe.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It's an integral part of what it means to be a functional city.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And so I'm happy to be bringing this resolution forward with my co-sponsors, Councilors Avalos, Ryan, Murillo, and Novick, to support the administration's Cap 2 work, ensuring that we're not creating obstacles to housing and economic development but instead being the development partner that Portlanders deserve.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I'd love to turn this over to any of my fellow introducers on this, Councilors Ryan, Murillo, Novick, or Avalos.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's an honor to be a co-sponsor on this.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's legislation I've been active on since early 2021, and that's when we got the task force started.

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<v Dan Ryan>And the big issue was that we had too many.

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<v Dan Ryan>We had a lot of bureaus that did permitting and they were siloed and their communication internally was not good.

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<v Dan Ryan>Therefore, that customer experience was shared with the customers.

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<v Dan Ryan>And that's really what was part of the delay.

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<v Dan Ryan>The integration of the bureaus began in 2024 officially.

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<v Dan Ryan>And this is a big culture change.

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<v Dan Ryan>It takes a while.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I really think this, to me, I'm experiencing us doing oversight to say keep going with what is already in the code to do.

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<v Dan Ryan>But moving from a culture that you're familiar with to a new culture is difficult.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's called change.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's called organizational change.

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<v Dan Ryan>And human beings have a lot of trouble with change.

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<v Dan Ryan>In the education world, we noticed that the children, they were really adaptable, but not so much with the adults.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so adult behavior change is hard.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I just hope that we can continue to move forward.

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<v Dan Ryan>I want to thank all of those professionals that have moved from their bureau assignments within the specialty, say water, to this new integrated team.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I really am rooting for you to continue to become a part of that new integration that will provide more efficiencies for the customers in Portland so we can start to really improve our efficiency and time, as was said.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's a cliché, but it's true.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Dan Ryan>Time is money, especially in the construction and development world.

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<v Dan Ryan>And for all of those residents that really suffer from how complicated those emails can be.

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<v Dan Ryan>So anyway, this is really about customer service.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's about culture change.

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<v Dan Ryan>And this council, I'm grateful, has adopted the same tone as the last council on this issue.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I'm really rooting for us to continue to move forward.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you for all of those that have integrated into this change.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I hope that you can inspire others thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>We're just speaking to it as a co-sponsor.

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<v Candace Avalos>Okay, great.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, yeah, thank you, Council President.

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<v Candace Avalos>Very proud to be a co-sponsor of this, and thank you, Council President, as well for your leadership on this effort, um, and to all of the other co-sponsors.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, so my thoughts on this are that this resolution is building on years of work.

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<v Candace Avalos>It is including the creation of PPND and the first phase of CAP.

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<v Candace Avalos>And I think CAP 1 showed that targeted reforms can reduce unnecessary barriers.

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<v Candace Avalos>And CAP 2 is hoping to take that next step by addressing the structural issues that continue to slow projects and create inconsistency across bureaus.

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<v Candace Avalos>For me, this is fundamentally about making government work better.

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<v Candace Avalos>Whether someone's building affordable housing or opening a small business, they deserve to understand a clear permitting process that's coordinated and predictable.

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<v Candace Avalos>Um, you can imagine that as Chair of Housing and Permitting, I hear a lot from people, applicants and architects and housing providers, um, that are navigating this.

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<v Candace Avalos>And just, um, it is our duty to keep improving on their experience.

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<v Candace Avalos>And I also believe that permitting reform is housing policy.

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<v Candace Avalos>And if we want to increase housing production and reduce development costs, we have to continue removing these unnecessary process barriers while maintaining the health, safety and environmental standards that protect our community.

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<v Candace Avalos>It is tricky to balance those things, but it is important that we do.

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<v Candace Avalos>And I appreciate about the resolution that it doesn't treat permitting reform as a one-time project.

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<v Candace Avalos>This is about establishing an ongoing framework for identifying problems, resolving conflicts across bureaus, and bringing continuous improvements back to council over time.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I'm grateful for that commitment from staff to continue bringing things to us that we can approve.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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<v Candace Avalos>That's kind of the nitty-gritty work of government.

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<v Candace Avalos>And so I'm looking forward to seeing, you know, where there are changes we can make over time that at the end of it will hopefully have a big impact in summation.

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<v Candace Avalos>So yeah, I look forward to supporting this and thank you to everybody for your work on it.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Second, Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I don't have much more to add that my colleagues haven't already stated.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So appreciate your time on this.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I was wondering if the city administrator had anything to talk about with the timeline extension or anything else in the ordinance as far as how your branch of government will be executing it?

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I think this is important work.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>This is work that the city already had going in process to make sure that we were addressing some of the timeframes as it relates to people making their way through the development process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I think this is a great effort to continue that process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Ensuring that we are being responsive to our customers, which is our development community and our citizens when they're coming to us to have a development permit process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Timing of this is going to be key as we continue to work through this with the other things that we have on our plate.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I just ask council to work with us as we get deeper into this process and evaluate the timing of this process, that we have the opportunity to come back to council and give updates.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Of where we are within this process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And if it needs to be extended longer because we need to do some more due diligence on the project, that is something that we can take under consideration.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>But administration is in full, uh, full in favor of moving forward with a process like this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, check last with Councilor Novick, see if he had any opening remarks he wanted to give as a fellow co-sponsor.

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<v Steve Novick>I don't think I have anything to add to the eloquent remarks of my co-sponsors.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, perfect.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, colleagues, we have about 7 folks signed up to testify on this item.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'd love to get moved to public testimony first, and then we can do technical and clarifying questions and then council discussion.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So Rebecca, can we please call up our first panel of public testifiers?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Terry Harris.

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<v Keelan McClymont>R. Forrest Fora Alexander.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome folks, come on down.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please feel free to introduce yourselves.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You have 3 minutes, take it away.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Terry.

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<v Terry Harris>Um, hello everybody, I'm Terry Harris.

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<v Terry Harris>I'm from Hillsdale.

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<v Terry Harris>I'm happy to be here supporting this resolution.

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<v Terry Harris>Um, as you know, my interest in this comes from My time with GTAC and combing through codes and regs and understanding how those work in the new form of government.

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<v Terry Harris>So I'm here in support of the health and hygiene of our codes and regulations generally, and thinking that this process is probably going to be useful as a pilot and applicable across other codes and regulations.

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<v Terry Harris>Thank you.

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<v Terry Harris>So that's, that's why I'm here.

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<v Terry Harris>So in support, I think this resolution has the problem statement clear, um, fixed permitting.

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<v Terry Harris>It has the diagnosis clear, fragmented authorities and, and code and regulation conflicts.

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<v Terry Harris>And the direction is clear, cooperation, urgency, efficiency, and maintaining the standards that are already built in.

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<v Terry Harris>On implementation, I've got 3 points that I want to address to you all, but it's— it might, it might be the implementation team over here.

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<v Terry Harris>You have set up in this resolution a permit implementation— permit improvement team.

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<v Terry Harris>That team needs a leader, a leader that has the authority and accountability, the focus, and the responsibility for that effort.

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<v Terry Harris>This can't be everybody's second job in the next 150 days.

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<v Terry Harris>Somebody needs to take charge of this.

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<v Terry Harris>Um, if it's a permitting improvement czar that you need, I think that might be an individual that you can point to that says this is going to happen.

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<v Terry Harris>Similarly, the resolution has a code and policy coordination group.

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<v Terry Harris>Yes.

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<v Terry Harris>Again, I support that.

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<v Terry Harris>I've testified here several times about having a code commission to take a look at these things.

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<v Terry Harris>But that also needs authority, focus, accountability, something like a code keeper whose responsibility it is, is the health and hygiene of your codes.

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<v Terry Harris>And this, we're talking about the land use codes, the permitting codes, but a guy, somebody sitting there with a room full of the books working on this stuff all the time.

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<v Terry Harris>Finally, the 150 days that you have here needs to be focused on the procedures, not really the substance of the CAP underlying this effort.

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<v Terry Harris>You don't want to predetermine some of the outcomes of the policy choices that you're going to have to make in the CAP.

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<v Terry Harris>Right.

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<v Terry Harris>This is about streamlining, accelerating, improving process internal to the city.

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<v Terry Harris>Council has to retain its policy prerogatives.

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<v Terry Harris>Thank you for your time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Whoever wants to go next, jump in.

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<v Candace Avalos>Oh, sure.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Are you—.

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<v Olivia Clark>Okay.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Hello, friends.

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<v Rabbi Fora>My name is Rabbi Fora.

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<v Rabbi Fora>I am an advocate and also the political director of a consulting firm, but I also got started in housing policy as Human Rights Commissioner for the City of Austin shortly after we did our Zucker Report, where we implemented a lot of these changes.

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<v Rabbi Fora>I'm really happy to hear that the attitude is so positive among the councilors.

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<v Rabbi Fora>This is something that a lot of people ignore until it's too late.

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<v Rabbi Fora>But I wanted to go over some of the highlights of what you can get out of this process.

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<v Rabbi Fora>When San Diego did something similar, they were able to accomplish 45,000 permits in one fiscal year that were worth about $8.9 billion.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Wow.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Phoenix focused more on concurrent digital routing, so different phases happening at the same time digitally.

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<v Rabbi Fora>They were able to get a 90% first round completed on time.

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<v Rabbi Fora>And Austin, you know, my former home, we reduced from 223 days.

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<v Rabbi Fora>I'm so sorry to hear that you're at over 400.

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<v Rabbi Fora>We reduced from 223 days to a 120-day mandated minimum, and that lowered rents by 7% overall, saving people about $60 a month.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Okay.

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<v Rabbi Fora>So, uh, also my personal experience— I've been a case manager and housing navigator at a homeless shelter.

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<v Rabbi Fora>It was a motel style.

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<v Rabbi Fora>I really enjoyed working in that, but whenever we were looking at how to grow, the permits for trying to change those units are more expensive than just building them a new unit.

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<v Rabbi Fora>And people, as was mentioned earlier, people don't get paid to wait.

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<v Rabbi Fora>So we're purposefully, or not purposefully, purposelessly building in extra time into this process that wastes money and effort that contractors can't really afford.

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<v Rabbi Fora>So I strongly urge a yes vote.

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<v Rabbi Fora>Thank you for your time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Hi, good afternoon.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>My name is Peter Finley Frye.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>I'm not—.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Okay, I'm a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners, and, uh, I as a consultant serve Portland business owners and property owners, and I'm here to advocate on their behalf you hear a lot from developers, but my experience is actually just with people.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Yesterday, a friend of mine, client of mine, called me and she had finished, her and her husband, a project in Hasbrouck and Abernathy.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>It took them 4 years.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>It's a 1904 Victorian building.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>It's beautiful.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>They restored it and they now have a nationally award-winning restaurant in it.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>They were successful primarily because a person at Portland Permitting and Development took hold of the situation and helped them navigate through what was a nightmare at times— frontage, seismic, structural occupancy, American Disability Act, everything.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>There was no compromise to public safety.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>These were technical solutions dealing with the floor, the ability of the floor to carry the weight of the restaurant, things of that sort.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>I'm not going to get into that kind of detail right now.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Portland has a culture of restoration, a culture of rehabilitation, and a culture of people doing this on their own.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Thank you.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>And they utilize professionals, but often professionals like me can be part of the problem.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>And so I am strongly advocating for this solution.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>I really respect you moving forward on this, and I'm confident that this will help empower Portland citizens and families to develop their property.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>And continue to own their own future.

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<v Peter Finley Frye>Thank you very much.

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<v Samuel Araya>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks for being here today.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Todd Gooding, Steve Wong, Kip Silverman.

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<v Keelan McClymont>You can go ahead at the table.

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<v Steve Wong>Thanks.

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<v Steve Wong>I'm Steve Wong, Senior Vice President at SKB.

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<v Steve Wong>Todd Gooding wasn't able to make it.

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<v Steve Wong>He's our president, so I kind of consolidated our comments.

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<v Steve Wong>SKB is a Portland-based real estate company owning and operating primarily commercial real estate projects in Portland, Seattle, the Bay Area, Denver, and Phoenix.

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<v Steve Wong>Here in Portland, many of our projects involve renovations of office and industrial properties.

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<v Steve Wong>Thank you, council members, for considering ways to centralize the permit process.

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<v Steve Wong>We hope the city can find a way to streamline the process so it is more transparent and consistent, and hopefully a process where the city can work with building owners and their teams to get projects approved and completed in a more efficient manner that focuses on getting projects done in ways that make sense and not just flagging objections to overcome.

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<v Steve Wong>Now, most of the permitting issues we encountered occurred 3 or more years ago, As we frankly have not recently pursued many projects in Portland, particularly when extensive permitting would be needed.

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<v Steve Wong>Back then, while costs are always a consideration, the time to get through permitting had the largest implications.

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<v Steve Wong>Delays not only have financial costs to us, but to the companies that make up our tenants or prospective tenants.

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<v Steve Wong>The vast majority of our tenants here are small to mid-sized companies under 10,000 square feet.

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<v Steve Wong>When these companies need to expand, they don't have the luxury of the 6 or 12-month permitting times we experience to have the space they needed to grow.

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<v Steve Wong>These are tenant improvement permits, not larger project-level renovations.

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<v Steve Wong>Causes for the lengthy permit times include permit intake and final issuance processes, inconsistent direction from different bureaus, sequencing of the permit response, and changes required after permits are issued.

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<v Steve Wong>An example I have is our own Iron Fireman project located in Southeast, over by Southeast 17th and Holgate.

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<v Steve Wong>There, after the occupant load, in this case the maximum number of people who could be employed by the tenants of the building, had been determined by the building department, building department changed their mind and tried to reduce the number of occupants allowed.

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<v Steve Wong>We spent $100,000 and 12 months going through multiple appeals to finally get an acceptable It may be that permitting times in the past few years have improved, although that may be due to fewer permit applications representing less investment in the city.

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<v Steve Wong>If Portland's to attract investment in the city, having a predictable and efficient permitting process is required in order to attract that investment.

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<v Steve Wong>I should point out that the city has the facilities permit program that has been very efficient turning around tenant improvement permits, typically in 30 days or less.

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<v Steve Wong>It is a centralized process, allows plan check comments to be reviewed right away, and the Iron Fireman program is now in that, uh, Iron Fireman project is now in the program, but it wasn't allowed to participate until each individual space had been processed.

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<v Steve Wong>That's 20 or more spaces through the standard process, which took 6 years.

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<v Steve Wong>So thank you for your time and the opportunity to speak to you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kip, you can go ahead online.

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<v Kip Silverman>Great, thank you.

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<v Kip Silverman>Uh, good afternoon, my name is Kip Silverman.

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<v Kip Silverman>I use he/him pronouns and I represent District 2.

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<v Kip Silverman>Go D2!

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<v Kip Silverman>I'm testifying today in strong support of this effort.

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<v Kip Silverman>My perspective comes from unique personal history.

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<v Kip Silverman>When I worked in City Hall, I spent 4 months diving deep into our permitting challenges and speaking with Everyone from leadership to frontline workers.

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<v Kip Silverman>Now, 9 years later, it unfortunately looks like very little has changed from the outside.

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<v Kip Silverman>Historically, as has been stated, the biggest hurdle has been fragmented ownership and a miasmic approach to regulation creation.

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<v Kip Silverman>Different bureaus owned different pieces of the process, and no one had the authority or wherewithal to align them.

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<v Kip Silverman>Even under our new government structure, it seems we have merely replaced bureau-managed silos.

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<v Kip Silverman>We have DCA-managed silos without solving the underlying structural issues in many areas.

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<v Kip Silverman>We need this cross-organizational team with the authority to streamline decision-making, both for big-picture strategy and small day-to-day workflow improvements.

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<v Kip Silverman>While there has been talk of physically and technically consolidating everyone into a single bureau, that simply doesn't make sense in and of itself as a solution.

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<v Kip Silverman>Expertise should stay where it's best served.

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<v Kip Silverman>When I analyzed these challenges back in 2017, I approached them through a technological lens.

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<v Kip Silverman>At the time, there was a project underway to force an off-the-shelf permitting system to fit our highly complex, unique processes.

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<v Kip Silverman>From its very first month, that project went red and never recovered.

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<v Kip Silverman>While I cannot speak to its current status, it sounds like the same issues persist.

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<v Kip Silverman>Back then, it was already $20 million over budget and past delivery.

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<v Kip Silverman>Today, we are likely talking about millions more spent without a viable solution in place.

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<v Kip Silverman>The answers, in my very humble opinion, are pretty straightforward.

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<v Kip Silverman>First, we needed to tiger team these bottlenecks within a larger structure authorized to unblock challenges.

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<v Kip Silverman>Second, and from a technological standpoint, Instead of breaking a rigid off-the-shelf system to fit our needs, we should utilize a generic document management and workflow solution.

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<v Kip Silverman>Scripting module components allows us to adapt to our actual processes, processes that exist now, and easily swap out antiquated methodologies as things change.

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<v Kip Silverman>This proposal is an important step forward.

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<v Kip Silverman>It aims to solve these genuine systemic issues from a strategic level.

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<v Kip Silverman>Thank you.

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<v Kip Silverman>Building on what's already been started.

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<v Kip Silverman>As a senior technical program manager, this is exactly the enterprise management approach I would employ to ensure success, and I fully support it.

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<v Kip Silverman>Thank you for everyone's time.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Marty Kehoe.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, Marty.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Thank you.

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<v Marty Kehoe>My name is Marty Kehoe.

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<v Marty Kehoe>I'm the president of the Kehoe Northwest Properties.

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<v Marty Kehoe>We've been in business in Portland building homes for 33 years.

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<v Marty Kehoe>We've built 3,000 homes, most of them in the city of Portland, and I'm thankful that you're, you're undertaking this process.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Um, when Councilor Duffy, you said it was 413 days, uh, I would take that in a minute.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Um, we, 3 years ago, we built 118 houses in Washington County and Clackamas County, and in the same year we couldn't get permits to build 2 duplexes.

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<v Marty Kehoe>If you were me, where would you spend your time and resources?

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<v Marty Kehoe>Um, one of the, one of the, the, one of the things I'll show you right here is an interesting one.

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<v Marty Kehoe>I'll be brief on it.

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<v Marty Kehoe>It's zoned R— it's over in Northeast Portland.

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<v Marty Kehoe>It's zoned R-5 and CE, but the property was never bifurcated.

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<v Marty Kehoe>So in a normal world, you'd hire a surveyor, you'd get You'd get it surveyed, might take a week or 2, take it to the city, get the administrative approval of it and record it, and then you can plat your, your property.

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<v Marty Kehoe>No, in the city of Portland, it took 10 months and cost $50,000.

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<v Marty Kehoe>So where do you think the $50,000 comes from?

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<v Marty Kehoe>It gets tacked on to the price of the houses.

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<v Marty Kehoe>There are 100 horror stories like this that go on and on with a system that has so many conflicting rules, not just with PBOT, BDS, and BES, but within BDS itself there are conflicting rules.

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<v Marty Kehoe>We joke that every time we have a project, we come to the city and we play 20 questions.

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<v Marty Kehoe>One, the answer is no, you can't do that.

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<v Marty Kehoe>One down, 19 to go.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Well, what can we do?

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<v Marty Kehoe>How can you help us?

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<v Marty Kehoe>How can we work collaboratively?

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<v Marty Kehoe>And we don't, we don't get that.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Councilor Um, your— the fee-in-lieu for trees has caused more properties to not be developed because it just doesn't work.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Uh, the SDCs, the abatement was a great idea, but the reality of it is what you should have done is had— is said we're going to take the SDCs and we're going to limit them to $5,000 or $6,000 and leave it there.

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<v Marty Kehoe>But by doing an abatement like that, you're going to inherit the same problem you inherited with inclusionary zoning.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Councilor Smith.

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<v Marty Kehoe>You're going to have a massive glut of intake, and 70% of those were never built.

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<v Marty Kehoe>So that will clog your system for absolutely nothing.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Just all I'm talking about is the common sense thing.

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<v Marty Kehoe>Please.

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<v Marty Kehoe>There are so many stories of projects that have been delayed or completely canceled because we can't get them pushed through in a timely way.

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<v Marty Kehoe>If you truly want homes to become affordable and you want to see more homes built, then you need to work with us.

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<v Marty Kehoe>And I, I know some of you, and I've reached out, and I'm available to tell you from 33 years in this business what works and what really doesn't work.

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<v Marty Kehoe>And I would recommend an office of an ombudsman that would have the ability to step in immediately when we're meeting things that don't make common sense, where we need help.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That concludes testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, let's go ahead and jump into the queue for discussion or technical clarifying questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We do have additional folks here for technical and clarifying questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Start us off, Vice President Clark.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Olivia Clark>I just applaud your initiative and your co-sponsors.

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<v Olivia Clark>This is a great initiative.

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<v Olivia Clark>So needed to continue this process.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm, I'm so pleased that you're doing it, and I really appreciate the testimony that we've heard today.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's remarkable, um, the horror stories, the advice, the ideas.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, I really appreciate that, sharing your perspective.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm just wondering, uh, I think it was Terry Harris mentioned a change manager, code keeper, and I just wanted to ask, um, City Administrator Raymond C. Lee, I know that you're thinking about bringing in a change manager, and I'm hoping that this is a part of that.

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<v Olivia Clark>Can you talk about that a little bit, where you are in that process of change management?

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<v Olivia Clark>Because we need so much culture change.

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<v Olivia Clark>You know, I don't understand why we have this— what I think maybe it's Mr. Silverman said— a highly unique and complex process unlike any other.

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<v Olivia Clark>Can you talk about change management?

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And just on briefly where we are in the process, this is something that we will be doing a national search on to try to find someone to fit into that strategy and change management role for the organization.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Once this person is coming on board, they will be looking at holistically several different key projects that we have as a city.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>One is the city going through its comprehensive strategic planning process and what that process will look like and the work that needs to be done internally to the organization in partnership with the City Council to try to help move that endeavor forward.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>There are some other key projects that I want this individual to be looking at as well.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>A part of this is our realignment process as we go through this transformational process as an organization, kind of going on lessons learned and best management practices As we move forward, what should we be putting in place as an organization from a framework that helps us make better decisions, but also help communicate the organization, the changes that we're making and the why behind those changes is going to be key.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>This is another particular project that is going to be a culture shift for the organization.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>We're taking aspects of the organization that has been over the years and decades been done in a siloed kind of process between each bureau.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>This is gonna be a communication and framework that we're gonna have to establish to really break those things down and really working on the why and the outcomes that we're trying to achieve as an organization as it relates to permitting and development.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So projects like this, other, other projects, I know the list for this individual who hasn't even started yet is growing by the day, but I want this individual to focus on these type of projects.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And help us develop the framework for change management that needs to take place as an organization so these projects can move forward.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>'Cause we can sit in these rooms and come up with a million different policies and a million different work instructions and SOPs, but if the culture of the organization is not ready to make that type of transformation, we're doing it in vain.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So we just wanna make sure that we're setting up our organization, these processes, But also being responsive to our community as it relates to the changes that need to be made within our organization so we can be more efficient, effective, and economical in the services that we're providing to the community at broad.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>But this role plays a critical, uh, plays a critical point in this process of helping us figure out what is that game plan and strategy on our approach and how we're gonna move this forward.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And this is in conjunction with the DCAs in the bureau heads that are running these departments.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>But so much of the day, of their day, is putting out the fires.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And I want to look at what is the long-term strategy and what are we trying to do and how do we build towards that.

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<v Olivia Clark>Well, thank you for that.

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<v Olivia Clark>It sounds like this process that we're talking about today in this resolution is going to proceed before this person or persons come.

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<v Olivia Clark>But I hope that they'll be incorporated into the change management that you're looking forward to.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Most definitely.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And that's why I say work with us, 'cause if this person comes on board and sees we need to tweak something a little bit because we're moving at a rapid pace that the organization is not quite ready yet to turn to, or if there's some other things we need to take under consideration as we are going through this type of comprehensive change, I wanna be able to have that input in the process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>But there's still a lot of initial work that can be done without the change management process, just to review of our current processes and procedures.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>The change management person is really looking at the culture of our organization and how are we setting up the culture of our organization or equipping it to be able to take these type of changes and implement them and operate and produce some great outcomes.

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<v Olivia Clark>Terrific.

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<v Olivia Clark>I really appreciate learning more about that.

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<v Olivia Clark>Mr. President, do you think that we could ask Eric Engstrom to come up and just get his perspective on this?

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<v Olivia Clark>I'd like to hear what he has to say and if he's thinking about a change manager or how he's going to deal with this and maybe the timeframe as well.

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<v Candace Avalos>Sure.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Well, we have Eric Engstrom.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Eric Kooch is not here today, turns out.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, sorry.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But we also do have Christina Gann here from DCA's office.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But before, Eric, before we turn it over to you, I actually just found out that we— I screwed up and there was one additional testifier.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, Moni.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So I want to invite up the CEO of Hacienda CDC, Ernesto Fonseca.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, so sorry about that, Ernesto.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>No worries at all.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>It seems like the last 2 times I've been in the same space.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Council President Dunphy, members of the council, thank you very much for having me here today.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>I am really excited to speak about this issue.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Councilor Ryan and Mingus Mapp started this process identifying some of the inefficiencies that we continue to see, some of them, not all of them to this date, you know, from dealing with 7 departments back in the day individually as permitting candidates, now we deal with 4.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So after the creation 2024, the Planning and Permitting Department, yes, it is one single point of submission, but we still have to work with PHB, with Public Works permitting.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>And design review with months and months sometimes of wait.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Despite some of this progress, the time to get a permit in multifamily projects remains the same.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>I was excited to hear some of the stats in other cities, and I have put as an example the city of Phoenix, where I did significant work as an architect back before I moved to Oregon about 10 years ago.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>And it's day and night.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>From 8 months to a year and a half of permitting, it's a lot of money that we have to carry in interest in pre-development cost into the hundreds of thousands.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>When you multiply that by all the projects that we have on the city, it becomes very, very problematic.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>In addition to that, there are some inconsistencies that every, you know, probably every department that reviews plans, you know, sees, but not as much probably as we see in the city of Portland.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Every time we submit a set of plans, Councilor Smith.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>They do a redline review.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>That redline review goes back to our architects, and every time we come back, there are new redlines, new redlines, as opposed to having one single set, one shot to tell us, you know, what is wrong or what isn't.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>What is interesting in every city— this is not isolated to Portland— is that we developers and architects and builders, we're the ones that are liable for these buildings.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>The city is not, and the city is giving us the permission.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Thank you.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>To do it or not, but we still— we're still the ones that will pay the price if we don't do it right.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>We're still the ones that will pay for everything and every construction defect.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So it is in our own interest to deliver the best project that we can.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So we're not trying to submit something that wouldn't meet the threshold.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>In addition, planning, obviously land use, continued to be a big bottleneck.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>The statutory day, you know, Timeline calls for 120 days.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>The City of Portland typically permitting asks us to waive those 120 days because obviously, you know, we're not going to meet the 6-month deadline for, for us to get our permit.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>And permit— so really, that, that statutory, uh, rule has no meaning if we cannot meet those deadlines.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>I would say that, you know, having our, our process managers was an improvement that was led and championed by previous council members, but we still need to see a lot more.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Having one single point of contact, one project manager that really understands or is the convener of the many, many different departments and bureaus that we have in the city so we can get our permits sooner than later.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>One more example that I want to share with you that I find troubling is that we can have more than one permit at a time.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Yes.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So if you have a mixed-use project and you're trying to remodel the housing on top of that project, you can get that permit, but you couldn't get the permit to remodel the commercial space on the bottom because you can only have one active permit per address.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>That is a problem.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Other issues, you know, we have— we've been waiting for just a tenant improvement permit for ourselves for about almost 2 months now, and we haven't seen that.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>It's just moving a couple of walls and adding one single bathroom.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So we have a lot of work to do.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>I am excited to be part of, uh, this, at least this testimony.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>I was part of the permit, uh, improvement, uh, task force back then, and I'm hoping that I can contribute in any way, form, or shape.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>So with that said, I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to speak on this issue.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>And finally, I want to invite you to visit the project, the 57-unit project that we have in North Portland on District 2.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Hopefully you can come and see the work that we're trying to complete in that space.

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<v Ernesto Fonseca>Thank you so much, everyone.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor— Vice President Clark, we're going to jump back into some technical questions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We're going to invite Christina and Eric back up.

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<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

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<v Olivia Clark>Just as they're walking up, I just have to say, you know, long ago I formed a nonprofit to build farmworker housing.

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<v Olivia Clark>And when— I'm not associated with them anymore, but when I checked in with them last and asked them about what they're doing around the state, they refused to work in Portland because it's too complicated.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's too complicated to do affordable housing projects here.

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<v Olivia Clark>So I applaud Hacienda for continuing to, to work at it.

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<v Olivia Clark>But I just wanted to hear, uh, Mr. Engstrom's perspective on this and whether or not we need a quote-unquote change manager, or how do we move to something I think that was just suggested, sort of a case management for a project.

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<v Olivia Clark>This kind of reminds me of healthcare, you know, when you go from doctor to doctor to doctor to doctor and nobody works together.

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<v Olivia Clark>It sounds very, very similar.

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<v Olivia Clark>But do you mind addressing this to some degree?

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<v Eric Engstrom>Sure.

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<v Eric Engstrom>And I'd invite Christina to add on from the DCA's office perspective.

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<v Eric Engstrom>You all said the right things in your introductory remarks, and I want to just agree with a lot of what was said earlier.

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<v Eric Engstrom>The regulatory improvement and process improvement is a not-ending exercise.

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<v Eric Engstrom>It's something that we're always going to be doing, and it needs periodic reinvigorization or a shot in the arm periodically.

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<v Eric Engstrom>And this is one such moment.

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<v Eric Engstrom>I appreciate that this council is embracing that.

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<v Eric Engstrom>Thank you.

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<v Eric Engstrom>And it's, you know, we have always struggled with some of these issues in part because of the form of government, and, and we have a new form of government that allows you all and the city administrator to take this on from a different level, from a different perspective.

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<v Eric Engstrom>We've tried some of these things in the past and not been able to get them over the hurdle because of that distributed authority and no one having the single authority to actually make it happen.

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<v Eric Engstrom>So I just want to appreciate it from that perspective.

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<v Eric Engstrom>Thank you.

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<v Eric Engstrom>Also want to just appreciate, um, uh, Councilor Zimmerman, I think you had comments, um, in the recap, um, hearing about, you know, looking at the big picture when we're doing regulatory improvement and sometimes asking the question of not only how can we improve the regulation, but do we need it?

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<v Eric Engstrom>And so that's, that's part of this as well.

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<v Eric Engstrom>But absolutely, to your question, the having a centralized you know, it seems like we need more.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's more than a shot in the arm.

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<v Olivia Clark>It seems to me it's almost like— I may excuse my French— but kind of an enema.

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<v Olivia Clark>You know, we, we need something bigger here than just a shot in the arm.

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<v Olivia Clark>But thank you.

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<v Eric Engstrom>We'll embrace that analogy.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Do you have further questions?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I have a question.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Great.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Did I hear you say that you just want technical questions?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>No, no, we're in full discussion.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I, I wanted to just jump in the queue to reiterate a few of the things that I said in committee because I think there actually was some, some really important discussion during the committee process.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, the the testimony that we heard today is raising very real concerns that very reasonably need to be addressed.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>For it to take twice as long or more for a permit to go through in Portland than in some of our neighboring cities is a problem that we can fix and that we've started to fix.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But it's important that we do that in a way that focuses on the process concerns the duplication, the timelines, the consistency, the predictability, and not on shortening the timeline by making policy changes, by— through technical justifications taking away some of the policy decisions on what it takes to get a permit in Portland without a policy discussion about those changes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think that's really important, and I think as we approach this absolutely critical work, it's important that we do so with a commitment to separate the work around streamlining from any discussions around policy changes to ensure that that work around streamlining is— that folks can trust that process, that folks know when you come back that what we have doesn't have hidden pieces in there.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I brought this up in committee and I asked a lot of questions in committee because I had some concerns about this.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was reassured in committee that what we will receive back from our bureaus will be strictly technical changes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I thought it was important to reiterate it here as well in case there were other councilors who shared those concerns.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When we heard testimony previously, we heard the comment that council has to retain its policy prerogatives.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think it's just very important that as we go through this process, we get a piece of work back where we can all wholeheartedly say this will help to address the problems without needing to dig into policy pieces that should get their own robust discussion.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So thank you to the staff who provided the assurances that that is what we will be getting back in the future during committee.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I'm looking forward to seeing some of the solutions that our teams can come up with to make sure that this is a, a good place to do business, a good city to work in.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And Councilor, I think the thank you.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I think the main thing that we want to drive home through this whole process is predictability.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>I think as you're going through a process of permitting and development, you want to be able to predict the timeframe and your outcomes and what your cost is going to be.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And that has varied through our current process tremendously.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And I think as we look towards the outcomes that we're trying to drive to in this is making this process predictable from a timing and Council President, if I may.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate you making that comment, and I think increasing predictability, decreasing timeline, increasing the understanding of when you're going to get a yes and when you're going to get a no, and the speed at which you get a yes or a no is absolutely critical.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to make sure that we're not tweaking with when you get a yes or a no.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In the name of speeding up the process and the predictability and the dependability, because everybody doing business in our city should, should have an understanding that there's a clear timeline and you will be told yes or no.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if the answer is no, you'll get a clear path for how to get to a yes if you choose to take that path.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we can do it quickly and effectively and efficiently and consistently while still maintaining those pieces we've put in place that uphold our community's needs and values about when it's a yes and when it's a no.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan.

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<v Dan Ryan>Uh, thank you, Council President.

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<v Dan Ryan>Is the other Eric—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Is Eric, uh, permitting here?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>He's out of office this week.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>He's at a conference this week.

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<v Dan Ryan>He's at a conference?

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<v Christina Gann>He's out of the office right now.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Out of office.

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<v Dan Ryan>Okay, um, that's too bad.

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<v Dan Ryan>It'd be great to have him here today.

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<v Dan Ryan>But anyway, we'll, uh, You'll channel him.

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<v Dan Ryan>As the first elected official that brought together all 7 permitting bureaus and all 5 offices to finally get serious about this after 3 decades of people running on this issue and everyone promising, I have a lot to say, and I'll be careful here to not say too much.

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<v Dan Ryan>But there were 2 things, 2 things that we did weekly— monthly with former bureau director Esaw that was so helpful.

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<v Dan Ryan>We—.

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<v Dan Ryan>It took about 6 months to establish datasets So we actually knew what was going on and not just wait for an audit every 10 years that told us we were bad at this.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so we— that helped a lot.

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<v Dan Ryan>So we looked at issuance to completion.

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<v Dan Ryan>And at first it was like watching paint dry because I think the culture here isn't used to looking at data.

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<v Dan Ryan>This is for you, CA Lee.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so when we actually brought data to the table, 'cause that's how you do continuous improvement in the real world, is you become accountable.

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<v Dan Ryan>Yeah.

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<v Dan Ryan>To that data.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then we also had the DRAC board be very active.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I recruited a DRAC board, very diverse board that had lived experience in the field as customers.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then they were part of the permit task force.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I'm asking 2 things, is to make sure that we have datasets that are frequently looked at all the way down to the line staff that are doing permitting so the whole team can be a part of winning, which means improving the datasets that they're looking at, because you can find yourself in that data.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's not shaming.

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<v Dan Ryan>It's called a way to do accountability and do continuous improvement work.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so I hope that that becomes a part of it.

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<v Dan Ryan>And then again, that we have the checks and balances of having customers actually engaged in this work throughout, which a couple of people in testimony made that really clear.

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<v Dan Ryan>So if other Eric was here, I would ask him directly.

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<v Dan Ryan>This—.

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<v Dan Ryan>Your bureau was more— you guys were not free of causing challenges.

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<v Dan Ryan>Your bureau was the fact that you had code clutter that was absurd, that was going back quite a few decades 'cause people up here would do a lot of last-minute amendments and make our codes quite confusing.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so we just had all these codes that were literally choking each other, which made it hard for the staff to help the customers because they were arguing amongst themselves on which code to use.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I just want to hear from your bureau that you guys are all over this code clutter cleanup, which has been one of the challenges.

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<v Eric Engstrom>Absolutely.

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<v Eric Engstrom>From a BPS perspective, that's a top priority.

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<v Eric Engstrom>I can also say that data structure you helped set up continues on and we give monthly— we brief each other monthly on that same sort of improvement data.

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<v Dan Ryan>Alex, you know how satisfying it is to hear that something that you started is still existing 6 years later.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thank you.

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<v Christina Gann>Thank you, Councilor, if I may.

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<v Christina Gann>And Christine, again, for the record, I work for DCI Oliveira in the Community Nictative Service Area.

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<v Christina Gann>Yes, if Director Kooch were here, I think he would acknowledge that there is ongoing data enhancement work happening in the bureau.

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<v Christina Gann>Those of you who have had a chance to talk with him and meet with him know he's very passionate about reform and improvement work, and so that is definitely a lens that he's bringing to his role as director of PP&D.

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<v Christina Gann>And then in the context of the kind of code alignment work, the team is very focused on looking at the data, customer surveys, and other information to help understand and where the pinch points are in the process.

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<v Christina Gann>And then trying to validate that information with customers.

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01:17:53.831 --> 01:17:59.088
<v Christina Gann>They've gone to DRAC, they're doing targeted stakeholder engagement as they start to scope the second phase of the cap work.

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<v Christina Gann>That work is happening right now and underway.

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<v Christina Gann>And so we fully expect, you know, the team to have a package proposal that reflects kind of the real challenges folks are facing while also recognizing Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's concern around, you know, what topics are, are big enough that they really are their own project and they're not— it's a meaty enough policy debate in and of itself and probably doesn't make sense to be part of a multifaceted piece of legislation like a coded amendment package.

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<v Christina Gann>So that's kind of the balance we're trying to strike right now.

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<v Dan Ryan>What's the body that's now meeting that we used to have the permit task force meetings frequently?

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01:18:38.747 --> 01:18:43.860
<v Dan Ryan>What's the body that includes internal and external at the same table trying to improve this work?

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01:18:44.998 --> 01:18:57.113
<v Christina Gann>I don't believe that there's a current standing body equivalent to the Permit Improvement Task Force, but there are multi-bureau internal kind of code coordination groups happening.

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01:18:57.177 --> 01:18:59.453
<v Christina Gann>And then of course DRAC is serving in its current capacity as well.

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<v Christina Gann>I just—.

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<v Christina Gann>Okay.

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<v Christina Gann>Yeah, sure.

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<v Christina Gann>Sorry.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I'm just disappointed that that doesn't exist.

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01:19:05.350 --> 01:19:09.627
<v Dan Ryan>I think that that needs to come back because that was really helpful.

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01:19:09.854 --> 01:19:25.960
<v Dan Ryan>That's when you started having real nuanced conversations, and you would see a person in the city actually talking to a customer, not because they're in a heated moment about getting it done on a specific timeline, but talking about the big picture.

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<v Dan Ryan>And they started treating each other like peers, and you just saw that was the secret sauce that was really moving this along.

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<v Dan Ryan>So I think when the city moved— has currently moved away from that practice, I really encourage that to come back.

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<v Dan Ryan>And I know one time I was talking to the other sponsors that that was something that I wanted included in here.

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<v Dan Ryan>So that's why I wanted to talk about that.

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<v Christina Gann>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Christina Gann>It's quite possible that, as you know, this resolution is intended to kind of restand up some of that infrastructure that was previously in place and recentralize it back into the community active service area.

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<v Christina Gann>And so that might provide a forum for reconvening those types of conversations.

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<v Dan Ryan>I think we thought when we moved the deck chairs that things would be fine, and that isn't the case.

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01:20:05.246 --> 01:20:08.681
<v Dan Ryan>It just means that the chairs move, but people are still behaving the same way.

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<v Dan Ryan>And so we need to have that checks and balance system of oversight.

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<v Dan Ryan>And that's— I think when we took that away, I feel like some of the momentum got lost and the silos within your new deck chairs started ramping up.

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<v Dan Ryan>That's my gut.

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<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President, rest of the sponsors for bringing this forward.

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<v Mitch Green>I supported this out of committee.

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<v Mitch Green>I think it's a necessary recommitment and it's a good— in the new form of government, it's good to provide a resolution like this that says, here are our priorities.

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<v Mitch Green>It's related to the broader conversation around how are we setting priorities in and outside of the budget process.

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01:20:50.728 --> 01:20:52.622
<v Mitch Green>We had our little retreat earlier in the year.

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<v Mitch Green>I think one of the top-line issues in that retreat was a shared commitment to this type of building of administrative capacity and building of our ability to execute and unlock things that don't cost us a lot of money, but can unlock the ability to do development.

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<v Mitch Green>So I think this is a— I think it's in that spirit.

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<v Mitch Green>I was—.

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<v Mitch Green>There was something someone said in testimony that struck with me, which was it matters how you do it.

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<v Mitch Green>Like, you know, the— and I was encouraged to hear your— I think it was Kip Silverman, but I was encouraged to hear your connection, City Administrator Lee, to the change management role that you're trying to staff up.

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<v Mitch Green>I think that's gonna be an important piece of this and that connects with the kind of I keep calling it building administrative capacity because that's what it is.

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<v Mitch Green>It's the ability to say, okay, how do we align our codes?

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<v Mitch Green>How do we align our processes in such a way that just create these like positive reinforcing feedback loops to generate the efficiency we need to generate and to get to yes more often than not?

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<v Mitch Green>As part of that though, as like in my prior career, I worked in a bureaucracy, worked in the public sector.

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<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

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<v Mitch Green>I've seen these things happen before, and there's a pretty common lifecycle.

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01:22:13.658 --> 01:22:20.003
<v Mitch Green>Starts with an idea, says, okay, we need to get away from spreadsheets that are spread around different shared drives here and there.

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01:22:20.085 --> 01:22:21.305
<v Mitch Green>Let's get to a common system.

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<v Mitch Green>And then you hire a vendor, and then the vendor's not flexible.

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<v Mitch Green>Now you're in a change order problem.

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<v Mitch Green>And there were staff members along the way that were like, I don't know if we want to go down this road.

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<v Mitch Green>So I guess what I would like to know yes.

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<v Mitch Green>Is from your seat or your seat, Director Engstrom, how do you see sort of rank-and-file staff who are currently doing this work contributing to the sort of idea generation process and helping that change management?

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<v Mitch Green>Because I know they always have good ideas.

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<v Mitch Green>They might not always have good ideas, but I want to make sure that we're not losing the opportunity to hear from them.

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01:22:55.337 --> 01:22:59.175
<v Mitch Green>They might be sitting on a treasure trove of, of like innovative concepts.

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01:22:59.738 --> 01:23:00.074
<v Loretta Smith>Councilor Smith.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And I would say they have to play a role in this process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>That's the only way you can truly understand the true flow of operations and the process that we're currently following now and kind of the historical knowledge of how did we get to this point of why we're doing it this way.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So I think it plays a critical role in how do we develop what our future will look like, because at the end of the day, these are the individuals that are still going to have to produce those results that we're looking for from a standpoint of outcomes as it relates to having timely, predictable decisions being made as it relates to our permitting process.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So we want to make sure that our staff who is doing the day-to-day operations of this understand that, but we also understand for them what are those milestones or troubling things that they have to go through on a daily basis that is hindering their ability to do their work.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And be successful at doing their work.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>So, Councilor, you have— I think you hit the nail right on the head from the standpoint of ensuring that we have those staff members at the table to play a critical role in this.

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<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that.

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<v Mitch Green>And, um, yeah, I want to sort of echo support for this idea.

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<v Mitch Green>I mean, because I actually think this is one of the big things that we need to do in the city right now.

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<v Mitch Green>I mean, obviously we've got housing production goals, um, We need to generate economic activity, and if the City of Portland's bureaucratic processes are a deterrent to that on the margin when other capital is not there, that's a big problem.

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<v Mitch Green>So it's, to me, it's like probably one of the highest target things.

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<v Mitch Green>So I want to echo support for some of the concepts about a czar, a sort of, as you hire your change management person, maybe one of their early priorities is to find someone who's on point to make sure that we're kind of pulling the team together and having these standups, having it be very sort of efficient in that process and connected back to council in some sense.

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<v Mitch Green>There was— I think the idea of an ombudsman type of function is pretty compelling because it does provide some relief for the development community to say, okay, we've been here before.

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<v Mitch Green>Some promises have been made, but, you know, again, I'd have to make a choice between Portland and some other jurisdiction.

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<v Mitch Green>So that might be an interesting sort of like, let's take a chance on this, maybe on a pilot basis to say, is there a place where we can go that provides some relief in that sense?

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<v Mitch Green>Might be something to consider.

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<v Mitch Green>I don't know exactly what that looks like.

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<v Mitch Green>But, and then finally, I just want to, one thing that I am worried about though, and yes, change management has to happen.

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<v Mitch Green>I get that.

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<v Mitch Green>But I, but I do worry that I, I want to know that we're not going to substitute performance management for change management.

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<v Mitch Green>Like, are we going to do change management by firing people, or are we going to give them an opportunity to, to sort of adapt and contribute and help and, you know, go along with the process?

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<v Mitch Green>I think that's a great question.

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<v Mitch Green>Because I, because I worry about this idea that let's just purge and then rebuild, because I don't think that's good for our city.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>And change management is not taking the approach of getting rid of individuals.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>It's making sure that we have the right individuals at the table as a part of the decision-making process that are being communicated with and engaged with, so we're making a comprehensive change that everyone understands the why.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Behind the change and the expected outcomes of those change.

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01:26:31.266 --> 01:26:37.465
<v Raymond C. Lee>So when, when change management comes in, it's not looking at the organization saying what we need to get rid of.

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01:26:37.882 --> 01:26:46.216
<v Raymond C. Lee>It's how do we create a more integrated organization that are really driving towards the strategies and outcomes that we're trying to achieve as an organization?

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01:26:46.793 --> 01:26:52.077
<v Raymond C. Lee>And how are we incorporating the council's priorities along with the mayor's vision to achieve those things?

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01:26:52.189 --> 01:26:58.980
<v Raymond C. Lee>So I'm not looking at this, and I wouldn't want a change manager to look at it from the standpoint of who we need to get rid of.

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01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Raymond C. Lee>It's how do we bring people along in this process to help achieve outcomes that we want.

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01:27:05.033 --> 01:27:05.323
<v Peter Finley Frye>Thank you.

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01:27:05.372 --> 01:27:13.351
<v Mitch Green>I think that's gonna be a really important thing to make sure it's kind of consistent and clear throughout all this, 'cause I think we've got a lot of opportunity under the hood.

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01:27:13.849 --> 01:27:14.186
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

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01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:16.081
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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01:27:16.274 --> 01:27:16.884
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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01:27:21.659 --> 01:27:23.710
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you and good afternoon, everyone.

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01:27:23.710 --> 01:27:24.909
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks for the presentation.

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01:27:25.989 --> 01:27:27.489
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks to the co-sponsors for bringing this forward.

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01:27:27.529 --> 01:27:28.590
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm broadly supportive of it.

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01:27:28.590 --> 01:27:34.500
<v Sameer Kanal>I have one concern that I think we can address in the implementation through some of the questions I'm going to ask here.

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01:27:34.810 --> 01:27:42.060
<v Sameer Kanal>Before I get to that, I just really appreciate— want to add to what Councilor Ryan said about, you know, some of the turmoil associated with moving positions and change management.

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01:27:42.270 --> 01:27:43.350
<v Sameer Kanal>Change is inevitable.

882
01:27:43.350 --> 01:27:44.899
<v Sameer Kanal>I do think we need to support the staff.

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01:27:45.457 --> 01:27:46.114
<v Sameer Kanal>Better.

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01:27:46.194 --> 01:27:51.780
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate those who have been working professionally for the city on behalf of the city's residents while in a season of change.

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01:27:52.293 --> 01:28:09.452
<v Sameer Kanal>And just to double down briefly on what Councilor Green just mentioned, I do think this will result in consolidation that yields efficiencies, and I hope that those efficiencies are put back into the system effectively to resolve— result in faster improvements, faster permitting, and not layoffs.

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01:28:09.579 --> 01:28:10.527
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:28:10.993 --> 01:28:11.827
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks to all the testifiers.

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01:28:11.875 --> 01:28:14.650
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll be touring the Monarca, so I appreciate that invitation.

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01:28:15.149 --> 01:28:18.646
<v Sameer Kanal>Ernesto, I agree with Terry Harris's point about having a person in charge of this.

890
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:24.328
<v Sameer Kanal>On a different note, Terry, that you also raised, the Committee of the Whole will be discussing periodic code review in August or September.

891
01:28:25.371 --> 01:28:26.846
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so getting to the questions.

892
01:28:27.425 --> 01:28:40.328
<v Sameer Kanal>Can I think the administrator or staff clarify what specifically the PIT will be empowered to resolve immediately versus what will still require future Council action or code amendments.

893
01:28:40.939 --> 01:28:43.412
<v Sameer Kanal>And just getting a little bit of that on the record would be helpful for me.

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01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:44.680
<v Keelan McClymont>Sure.

895
01:28:44.761 --> 01:28:52.292
<v Christina Gann>Yeah, I'm happy to speak to at least my understanding of that and of course welcome one of the sponsors to jump in here if I get something wrong.

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01:28:53.222 --> 01:29:07.626
<v Christina Gann>So the resolution directs us first to reestablish the permanent improvement team and have that team put together the second phase of the code alignment project code package.

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01:29:08.541 --> 01:29:18.202
<v Christina Gann>And so that work would be happening in the coming months and then would eventually— I think the intention is for us to return in a few months with a proposed scope and schedule.

898
01:29:18.876 --> 01:29:26.065
<v Christina Gann>If we think it's going to take longer than 2 years, you'd be asking us to come up with a clear resource statement for what we would need in order to achieve that.

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01:29:26.371 --> 01:29:27.029
<v Christina Gann>Appreciate that.

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01:29:27.301 --> 01:29:29.564
<v Christina Gann>It's one of the tensions we're always navigating in this space.

901
01:29:30.287 --> 01:29:43.349
<v Christina Gann>And then separately, as a second deliverable, looking at our permit structure and finding opportunities to explore further consolidation and returning in, I think, about 5 months, 150 days with that work.

902
01:29:43.894 --> 01:29:49.229
<v Christina Gann>And so the permit improvement team, full transparency, right now it is one person.

903
01:29:49.903 --> 01:29:54.293
<v Christina Gann>That is all, that is all we have funded for currently in the budget.

904
01:29:55.192 --> 01:30:04.244
<v Christina Gann>But so restanding up that team and and using that, that person to coordinate the work across other bureaus and other folks in the city.

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01:30:04.984 --> 01:30:22.283
<v Christina Gann>I, I could see that person as potentially helping kind of shepherd those conversations, not leading them, not driving them, but it just really helps to have a person at the city whose job, whose whole job is to talk about these things and make sure all the right people are involved and all the right conversations happen.

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01:30:22.331 --> 01:30:35.943
<v Christina Gann>And so, um, That person would work very closely with both DCA Oliveira as well as other city leadership as well, bureau directors, DCA Dhanapal, to kind of deliver those 2 work plan deliverables that are included in the resolution.

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01:30:35.990 --> 01:30:38.158
<v Christina Gann>Does that sound right, Council President?

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01:30:38.301 --> 01:30:39.875
<v Jamie Dunphy>That's, that sounds my expectation as well.

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01:30:39.922 --> 01:30:41.416
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, absolutely.

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01:30:41.993 --> 01:30:53.050
<v Sameer Kanal>So, so what I'm hearing from that is, is largely that the answer to my question is largely going to be answered when we hear recommendation back in, in pieces over those different timelines.

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01:30:53.804 --> 01:31:23.228
<v Sameer Kanal>I guess maybe another way of phrasing it to get to the underlying question here is when eventually there is a proposal from this team, and this is maybe for the co-sponsors, is the intention that we're going to receive multiple options or a singular recommendation from staff for in terms of how to continue the process, sort of what the second I'll tell you, Councilor, it's my intention to bring something to Council for us to—.

912
01:31:23.613 --> 01:31:29.845
<v Jamie Dunphy>Not just an up and down, uh, to understand sort of holistically where we are going with these things and why.

913
01:31:30.475 --> 01:31:32.934
<v Jamie Dunphy>Some of these things I think will be very obvious up or down answers.

914
01:31:33.386 --> 01:31:36.297
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have multiple people writing the same sort of code?

915
01:31:36.685 --> 01:31:38.631
<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we have the same sort of people interpreting this code?

916
01:31:39.796 --> 01:31:55.313
<v Jamie Dunphy>Some of them will be a directional change that Council could have to take, but all of it will be very intentional about bringing it with not just what people think is the right way, but also based off of customer complaints and experience that we've had in the past.

917
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:01.957
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so, you know, these questions, both of those are informed sort of by the same thing that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney brought up.

918
01:32:02.167 --> 01:32:05.854
<v Sameer Kanal>I also want to do both streamlining and consolidation and policy changes.

919
01:32:06.529 --> 01:32:10.378
<v Sameer Kanal>I just want to make sure that we're not transferring power from the legislature to the executive through this.

920
01:32:11.324 --> 01:32:13.703
<v Sameer Kanal>And I was hoping you could speak to that, Council President.

921
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.176
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, that is absolutely not my intention.

922
01:32:16.225 --> 01:32:36.519
<v Jamie Dunphy>In fact, really, this is about getting our house in order from my perspective, not about giving new authority or new delegating any additional decision-making, but rather getting the bureaucratic structure in place so that there is somebody to be able to say, I'm in charge and this is how it's going to happen.

923
01:32:37.435 --> 01:32:51.771
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is the biggest thing from— for the biggest problem that I see we're trying to solve, where right now someone from PP&D cannot be directive or prescriptive towards someone who is issuing partial permit in transportation or in water.

924
01:32:52.077 --> 01:32:59.979
<v Jamie Dunphy>To be able to come back and affirmatively say this person is in charge, but not that that intervenes with our authority or our decision-making powers.

925
01:33:00.581 --> 01:33:01.231
<v Christina Gann>Councilor, if I may.

926
01:33:01.867 --> 01:33:02.063
<v Christina Gann>Please.

927
01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:15.091
<v Christina Gann>I'm just going to say, um, any, um, in regard to the code alignment kind of policy work, obviously any changes to the city's development codes need to come back to council for approval as part of your role as a legislative body.

928
01:33:15.140 --> 01:33:24.051
<v Christina Gann>There might, there might be very minor things that can be handled via administrative rules, but I'm guessing the bulk of the recommendations will be in the code space.

929
01:33:24.100 --> 01:33:28.097
<v Christina Gann>So that would come before you all hopefully next year, or sorry, in the next okay.

930
01:33:28.162 --> 01:33:29.014
<v Christina Gann>Hopefully in the next 2 years.

931
01:33:29.189 --> 01:33:51.338
<v Christina Gann>And then separately, as part of the second body of work around kind of permit structure and organization, as happened last time when PP&D was first created, that ended up being a package of legislation that came to council kind of aligned with the budget process because it is very real in terms of staffing moves and financing.

932
01:33:51.452 --> 01:34:01.363
<v Christina Gann>Not trying to suggest that anything specific will happen, but thanks.

933
01:34:01.574 --> 01:34:03.252
<v Sameer Kanal>And I— that answers my next question.

934
01:34:03.301 --> 01:34:08.381
<v Sameer Kanal>I guess the only other thing to add there is just the more that we're given options, the better.

935
01:34:09.065 --> 01:34:29.255
<v Sameer Kanal>I feel like technically speaking, we're still the legislative authority when we get a singular recommendation, but especially, especially when that's tied to the budget and the budget is already proposed as if we've accepted the proposal legislatively, that does not feel like we are the final authority, in my personal opinion.

936
01:34:30.029 --> 01:34:32.622
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll give the example that the Tennis Center is maybe the best.

937
01:34:32.702 --> 01:34:40.984
<v Sameer Kanal>Like, we, we, in order to make a change, we had to come up with money because the budget was already created around the idea that a policy decision would be made that hadn't been made yet.

938
01:34:41.032 --> 01:34:44.021
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's more just a point in the implementation.

939
01:34:44.167 --> 01:34:45.024
<v Sameer Kanal>My last question.

940
01:34:45.104 --> 01:34:45.265
<v Sameer Kanal>Yes.

941
01:34:47.948 --> 01:35:08.057
<v Sameer Kanal>I guess, and I'm not sure again who this is directed to, but are we looking at the desired outcomes being better timelines, number of times there's a review cycle, customer satisfaction rating, cost reduction, consistency of code interpretation, some combination there?

942
01:35:08.139 --> 01:35:12.655
<v Sameer Kanal>What are the metrics that— and I'm mostly asking because I believe it's probably a little bit of all of it.

943
01:35:12.737 --> 01:35:12.818
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

944
01:35:13.194 --> 01:35:19.287
<v Sameer Kanal>But I'm curious how we will measure success relative to today, um, in 2 to 3 years.

945
01:35:22.890 --> 01:35:25.739
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that that is still an open question, Councilor, at this moment.

946
01:35:25.902 --> 01:35:27.327
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think that that is part of the process.

947
01:35:27.423 --> 01:35:30.159
<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't think we've actually been in a place to define what success is.

948
01:35:30.662 --> 01:35:36.265
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I think that, um, this is— this authority question is going to give us the first opportunity to say, actually, what is the better option?

949
01:35:36.588 --> 01:35:40.841
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is it number of permits or how long each permit Is it the amount of money the city is bringing in?

950
01:35:40.890 --> 01:35:42.287
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is it the number of big developments?

951
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:44.630
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is it the number of steps?

952
01:35:44.679 --> 01:35:50.265
<v Jamie Dunphy>Or are we going to simply pat ourselves on the back because we've reduced our permits from talking to 7 engineers to only talking to 2?

953
01:35:51.565 --> 01:36:01.583
<v Jamie Dunphy>I think we need to hear that from the way that the system— and this, you know, I don't want to preassume how this permit improvement team or any future improvements might lead.

954
01:36:02.739 --> 01:36:04.859
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I— that was a bit of a garbled answer, but— Thank you.

955
01:36:05.275 --> 01:36:06.413
<v Dan Ryan>Council President, can I just add?

956
01:36:06.637 --> 01:36:07.279
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, Councilor.

957
01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:11.398
<v Dan Ryan>The datasets that you mentioned got to all those questions that you just mentioned.

958
01:36:11.445 --> 01:36:12.920
<v Dan Ryan>So we've worked that out.

959
01:36:12.984 --> 01:36:15.067
<v Dan Ryan>We had discussions about what success looked like.

960
01:36:15.148 --> 01:36:16.317
<v Dan Ryan>We were looking at it monthly.

961
01:36:16.845 --> 01:36:19.426
<v Dan Ryan>So I actually think that there should be there still.

962
01:36:19.954 --> 01:36:23.319
<v Dan Ryan>So maybe the council just needs to be exposed to that.

963
01:36:24.265 --> 01:36:25.676
<v Eric Engstrom>We have a starting point with that for sure.

964
01:36:26.109 --> 01:36:26.444
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

965
01:36:27.407 --> 01:36:35.963
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, I think I appreciate that and I appreciate Councilor Ryan, you bringing your experience into this conversation and obviously the work that you've done on this.

966
01:36:36.926 --> 01:37:01.279
<v Sameer Kanal>A, um, maybe this is just flagging for the next time we talk about this when we come back in a couple months to have, um, something clearer in terms of like our goal is to reduce average permitting timeline from X to Y for this type of, um, this type of application, I think is helpful, even if it's not, that's not necessarily a legally binding standard, but just understanding what the goal is.

967
01:37:01.792 --> 01:37:06.585
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, yesterday we had a conversation about Home Forward and we asked what is the goal for a vacancy rate?

968
01:37:07.230 --> 01:37:08.606
<v Sameer Kanal>And they had a very specific number.

969
01:37:08.845 --> 01:37:09.725
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know if they achieve it.

970
01:37:10.145 --> 01:37:13.822
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know if it's, you know, because it's not— there's different timelines for different numbers too.

971
01:37:14.663 --> 01:37:19.765
<v Sameer Kanal>But it is helpful to understand what the guiding principle is, the sort of short-term North Star.

972
01:37:21.908 --> 01:37:24.952
<v Sameer Kanal>Just to close out, I talked about this issue a lot on the campaign trail.

973
01:37:25.485 --> 01:37:27.395
<v Sameer Kanal>I talked to developers regularly, actually.

974
01:37:27.444 --> 01:37:33.606
<v Sameer Kanal>Money matters, of course, but the thing that I heard consistently was that time is the thing that we keep coming back to.

975
01:37:33.710 --> 01:37:38.953
<v Sameer Kanal>Time and sort of the less quantifiable experience of feeling hassled.

976
01:37:39.819 --> 01:37:43.234
<v Sameer Kanal>And so I appreciate this proposal.

977
01:37:43.282 --> 01:37:45.126
<v Sameer Kanal>I'll be supportive of it when we get to that vote.

978
01:37:45.511 --> 01:37:55.516
<v Sameer Kanal>But I really just wanted to say that this, the testimony we're hearing today is perfectly in line with what I was expecting to hear from folks who have experienced this directly.

979
01:37:56.094 --> 01:37:59.350
<v Sameer Kanal>And I believe that this can kickstart a process.

980
01:37:59.462 --> 01:38:04.859
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't think that passing this alone will necessarily achieve that, uh, those, those outcomes.

981
01:38:05.440 --> 01:38:11.842
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, but I do think that it, plus the built-in check-ins that you put in, I think pretty wisely, will do that.

982
01:38:11.923 --> 01:38:13.722
<v Sameer Kanal>So, um, thank you.

983
01:38:14.783 --> 01:38:15.940
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Councilor Kanal.

984
01:38:16.246 --> 01:38:18.173
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

985
01:38:18.414 --> 01:38:19.010
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

986
01:38:19.636 --> 01:38:45.251
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm curious at the— we talk a lot about the system, but when we're talking about 400-day timelines, what what is the driving accountability function that exists for what is expected and how much time you spend on this?

987
01:38:45.509 --> 01:38:53.146
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because I ask that question as I get a lot of— the public is complaining about a lack of access to employees.

988
01:38:53.243 --> 01:38:53.372
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah.

989
01:38:53.737 --> 01:38:55.457
<v Eric Zimmerman>And it doesn't seem like a good experience.

990
01:38:55.521 --> 01:39:01.443
<v Eric Zimmerman>But then I've got employees complaining about required to come back to the counter, so to speak, or having to come back into the office.

991
01:39:01.619 --> 01:39:12.780
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I don't know a lot about that because in these types of presentations we don't really talk about the effectiveness of, of the teams doing this work.

992
01:39:13.247 --> 01:39:14.935
<v Christina Gann>Yeah, I think we'll do our best on that one here.

993
01:39:15.015 --> 01:39:18.679
<v Christina Gann>Councilor Zimmerman noting that the person who's probably best suited to answer is not available to join us today.

994
01:39:19.912 --> 01:39:20.578
<v Eric Engstrom>Yeah.

995
01:39:20.707 --> 01:39:25.975
<v Eric Engstrom>I could maybe say a few things as a former development review manager in the former BDS Bureau.

996
01:39:26.073 --> 01:39:34.930
<v Eric Engstrom>I was there for a decade or so as a manager and we track permit timelines, then we did, and I know they still do within teams.

997
01:39:34.993 --> 01:39:41.122
<v Eric Engstrom>And we're aware as managers of what those timelines are and we actively manage staff around that.

998
01:39:41.396 --> 01:39:48.356
<v Eric Zimmerman>So do we have meetings like a weekly that say, All right, Eric, you've had that permit for 10 days.

999
01:39:48.421 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Eric Zimmerman>What are you doing with it?

1000
01:39:49.224 --> 01:39:49.899
<v Eric Zimmerman>Do we do that?

1001
01:39:50.252 --> 01:39:50.444
<v Eric Engstrom>Yeah.

1002
01:39:51.150 --> 01:39:53.077
<v Eric Engstrom>And, you know, there's variability.

1003
01:39:53.141 --> 01:39:54.329
<v Eric Zimmerman>Why are you at 10 days?

1004
01:39:54.426 --> 01:40:00.832
<v Eric Engstrom>There's variability in both the people and the project complexity that makes it more complicated.

1005
01:40:01.345 --> 01:40:07.975
<v Eric Engstrom>But yes, there's active management of that and training and culture building and to varying degrees.

1006
01:40:09.436 --> 01:40:14.301
<v Eric Engstrom>And there's, as a manager, you're aware of when the phones aren't being answered and when they are.

1007
01:40:14.895 --> 01:40:19.350
<v Eric Engstrom>And you get awareness of who's generating complaints and who's not.

1008
01:40:19.478 --> 01:40:25.244
<v Eric Engstrom>And so that's an active process of building a positive culture within the organization.

1009
01:40:25.326 --> 01:40:35.787
<v Eric Engstrom>And as CA Lee said earlier, you've gotta bring your staff along with change and it's a constant process of trying to improve those outcomes.

1010
01:40:36.877 --> 01:40:45.746
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm a little worried we're more concerned about bringing our staff along than we are of being a high-efficiency organization and meeting the needs to the public on this.

1011
01:40:46.230 --> 01:40:54.335
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm concerned we've actually— 'cause I think the point you're making would seem reasonable to me if we were trying to be the best in the state.

1012
01:40:54.899 --> 01:40:57.734
<v Eric Zimmerman>And at this point, I just think we're trying not to be the worst in the state.

1013
01:40:57.961 --> 01:41:01.844
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm not sure that that measurement is the one I really want to hear about.

1014
01:41:01.972 --> 01:41:11.704
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am worried that what you're describing is the tools you would use in an organization who is already doing well.

1015
01:41:11.753 --> 01:41:11.835
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah.

1016
01:41:13.006 --> 01:41:14.965
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so that's challenging for me.

1017
01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:19.961
<v Eric Engstrom>Yeah, I mean, to be clear, what I just described was my experience 10 years ago in this agency.

1018
01:41:20.298 --> 01:41:25.134
<v Eric Engstrom>I think right now we are in a different moment and, and, and a more dire moment.

1019
01:41:25.213 --> 01:41:26.113
<v Eric Engstrom>So I would agree with you.

1020
01:41:26.257 --> 01:41:33.519
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because I take these, I take these public testimonies and these, you know, various conversations very seriously because they're embarrassing.

1021
01:41:34.208 --> 01:41:35.703
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm, I'm embarrassed by them.

1022
01:41:35.880 --> 01:41:36.988
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm very embarrassed by them.

1023
01:41:37.244 --> 01:41:47.592
<v Eric Zimmerman>I, I have said this many times as I watched when the city enacted residential infill, and I was excited about that.

1024
01:41:47.689 --> 01:41:51.345
<v Eric Zimmerman>And when I came back, I thought, I'm going to look into doing that on my own property.

1025
01:41:51.859 --> 01:41:58.962
<v Eric Zimmerman>And what I was told is, you don't have enough finances to outweigh the city's timeline.

1026
01:41:59.220 --> 01:42:03.854
<v Eric Zimmerman>You can afford the project, you have the land for the project, but you can't outdo the city's timeline.

1027
01:42:04.287 --> 01:42:06.762
<v Eric Zimmerman>And the only people who can are the developers.

1028
01:42:06.961 --> 01:42:07.853
<v Eric Zimmerman>The developers, right?

1029
01:42:09.212 --> 01:42:12.469
<v Eric Zimmerman>Which was the opposite of what residential infill was supposed to be about, I thought.

1030
01:42:13.246 --> 01:42:15.304
<v Eric Zimmerman>So that has stayed very true with me.

1031
01:42:16.300 --> 01:42:25.476
<v Eric Zimmerman>The reason I kind of bring this up is I'm not— I am fully supportive of this and I don't think it's going to work.

1032
01:42:26.372 --> 01:42:27.515
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's where I'm at.

1033
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:34.801
<v Eric Zimmerman>Question if we should, you know, zero-sum budgeting.

1034
01:42:34.867 --> 01:42:38.994
<v Eric Zimmerman>Isn't that where you just scrap out last year's budget and you start filling it in from the very bottom?

1035
01:42:39.076 --> 01:42:44.301
<v Eric Zimmerman>Well, I need one secretary, I need one police officer, I need one car, and then you figure out what the budget is.

1036
01:42:44.494 --> 01:42:46.887
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm kind of wondering why we don't do that with our code.

1037
01:42:48.475 --> 01:43:01.238
<v Eric Zimmerman>Why don't we go and, and just eliminate and build from the ground up a code instead of, hey, can you tell us about what's kind of annoying in your workspace and maybe what you want to get to be more aligned with somebody else?

1038
01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:06.908
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because that that seems like a very foundationally bad start.

1039
01:43:08.985 --> 01:43:24.792
<v Eric Zimmerman>If the City of Portland were to go far more aggressive, if we were to start from zero and start articulating the codes of 2026 that we'd like to see, that's a really different kind of process and a different outcome.

1040
01:43:24.855 --> 01:43:37.851
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I'm worried that if we start where we're at, and I'll say it's not the start, I know that Dan Ryan started it, but I'd like to have more faith in it, but I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in it.

1041
01:43:38.494 --> 01:43:43.150
<v Raymond C. Lee>And to be honest with you, Councilor, for that type of process, that would be a multi-year endeavor.

1042
01:43:43.697 --> 01:43:44.644
<v Eric Zimmerman>Oh, and it should be, right?

1043
01:43:44.692 --> 01:43:45.815
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because land use is important.

1044
01:43:46.282 --> 01:43:46.747
<v Eric Zimmerman>Very much so.

1045
01:43:47.164 --> 01:43:48.144
<v Eric Zimmerman>Permitting is important.

1046
01:43:48.305 --> 01:43:49.668
<v Eric Zimmerman>Safe buildings are important.

1047
01:43:50.359 --> 01:44:04.905
<v Eric Zimmerman>But we have gone so far, and I don't have a good analogy there, but we have just gone so far in the other direction and very few City of Portland employees who are involved with it have ever said, I too am embarrassed by 400 days.

1048
01:44:05.829 --> 01:44:06.987
<v Eric Zimmerman>That worries me a lot.

1049
01:44:07.539 --> 01:44:08.644
<v Eric Zimmerman>That worries me a lot.

1050
01:44:10.109 --> 01:44:13.394
<v Eric Zimmerman>So, you know, I, I do appreciate the efforts.

1051
01:44:13.909 --> 01:44:20.033
<v Eric Zimmerman>I would love it if we could play the tape and say, Councilor Zimmerman, you were wrong.

1052
01:44:22.139 --> 01:44:23.295
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not sure that's going to happen though.

1053
01:44:23.396 --> 01:44:37.890
<v Eric Engstrom>Councilor Councilor, as the goal matters, as the BPS director and, and the one who deals with zoning code, I think I'm in a space where I'm, I'm trying to agree with both you and Councilor Pearl-Guinney on these questions.

1054
01:44:38.115 --> 01:44:52.538
<v Eric Engstrom>And my reality is, is that you're both somewhat right about this, in that we do need significant policy discussion, and we need to do that transparently and not confuse it with this process improvement and the, and the more routine code maintenance.

1055
01:44:53.278 --> 01:44:53.872
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's fair.

1056
01:44:54.096 --> 01:44:58.030
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I offer 2 different types of leadership, right?

1057
01:44:58.592 --> 01:45:01.113
<v Eric Zimmerman>Process leader, crisis leader, right?

1058
01:45:01.242 --> 01:45:05.738
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think the question for ourselves is, are we in crisis or are we in a process improvement?

1059
01:45:06.139 --> 01:45:07.631
<v Eric Zimmerman>I would surmise that we're in crisis.

1060
01:45:08.788 --> 01:45:12.400
<v Eric Zimmerman>We are 80 outta 81 in terms of places in which people invest.

1061
01:45:13.043 --> 01:45:18.069
<v Eric Zimmerman>We have a person who testified who says, I do projects everywhere except your jurisdiction, folks.

1062
01:45:19.193 --> 01:45:20.136
<v Eric Zimmerman>We are in crisis.

1063
01:45:20.331 --> 01:45:23.094
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so incrementalism to me is a failure.

1064
01:45:23.890 --> 01:45:28.547
<v Eric Zimmerman>But you're 100% right, Director Engstrom, that there is a discussion of which one do we want to have.

1065
01:45:28.613 --> 01:45:35.065
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'm offering that I think that process improvement is not the thing you do when your house is on fire.

1066
01:45:36.470 --> 01:45:39.938
<v Eric Zimmerman>You flood that sucker with as much water as you can and you worry about the bushes later.

1067
01:45:41.020 --> 01:45:42.907
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that's where we need to be thinking about this.

1068
01:45:43.278 --> 01:45:43.456
<v Samuel Araya>Thank you.

1069
01:45:46.429 --> 01:45:47.298
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1070
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.572
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, I'm going to limit debate to those in the queue right now.

1071
01:45:51.539 --> 01:45:53.184
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Smith.

1072
01:45:55.673 --> 01:45:56.802
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1073
01:45:58.238 --> 01:46:00.399
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman, for your, for your comments.

1074
01:46:01.011 --> 01:46:05.820
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I don't sit on the Housing Committee, but I do want to say thank you for tackling this issue.

1075
01:46:05.934 --> 01:46:15.939
<v Loretta Smith>It's a big, it's a big issue, and I appreciate where we're starting for and thank Councilor Ryan for, uh, for getting this started because it's so important.

1076
01:46:16.484 --> 01:46:18.229
<v Loretta Smith>This is, this is our book of business.

1077
01:46:19.063 --> 01:46:24.207
<v Loretta Smith>I know Councilor Green loves it when I say that, but this is our book of business.

1078
01:46:24.270 --> 01:46:29.639
<v Loretta Smith>And so we have to be good and, and be about our business when we're doing our book of business.

1079
01:46:29.783 --> 01:46:44.797
<v Loretta Smith>And so whatever we can do to be helpful— I didn't get a chance to hear the whole entire, um, presentation from the Housing Committee, but I think We, we have to begin and, and continue and, and, and streamline, and I support what you're talking about.

1080
01:46:45.505 --> 01:46:48.895
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I, I understand what Councilor Zimmerman is talking about.

1081
01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:55.259
<v Loretta Smith>He's been around for a long time, and it— and he has a historical knowledge and a working knowledge of what this looks like.

1082
01:46:55.386 --> 01:46:56.833
<v Loretta Smith>But I am rooting for you all.

1083
01:46:57.556 --> 01:46:57.765
<v Loretta Smith>I am.

1084
01:46:58.439 --> 01:46:58.713
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1085
01:46:58.922 --> 01:46:59.163
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1086
01:46:59.501 --> 01:47:00.239
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1087
01:47:00.465 --> 01:47:01.091
<v Jamie Dunphy>Vice President Clark.

1088
01:47:01.510 --> 01:47:03.518
<v Olivia Clark>Just really quickly, thank you, Council President.

1089
01:47:03.662 --> 01:47:13.319
<v Olivia Clark>I think Councilor Councilor Zimmerman, I think you were referencing what Ezra Klein talked about in his book Abundance, um, and I think you're also referencing the medical procedure that I mentioned earlier.

1090
01:47:14.010 --> 01:47:17.190
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I just, I, I have just a quick question.

1091
01:47:17.465 --> 01:47:23.322
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, when I was reading this for the first time, I was a little concerned about the timing.

1092
01:47:23.662 --> 01:47:27.222
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, is this enough time, the 60 days, 150 days?

1093
01:47:29.189 --> 01:47:36.618
<v Raymond C. Lee>I would always say you're gonna need more time, especially for code changes or anything like this for evaluation.

1094
01:47:36.667 --> 01:47:37.003
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1095
01:47:37.132 --> 01:47:42.563
<v Raymond C. Lee>I would say give us some more time to evaluate this and bring back a solid product to the council.

1096
01:47:43.109 --> 01:47:43.671
<v Heidi Brown>Okay, thank you.

1097
01:47:44.121 --> 01:47:45.502
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1098
01:47:45.904 --> 01:47:46.948
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Ryan, last word.

1099
01:47:47.189 --> 01:47:47.688
<v Dan Ryan>Oh, okay.

1100
01:47:47.815 --> 01:47:48.860
<v Dan Ryan>Thank you, Council President.

1101
01:47:49.101 --> 01:48:00.792
<v Dan Ryan>I just wanna acknowledge how helpful it was when we had a process where we had a continuous improvement team of 4, and that was a hard battle to get into the budget in 2022 for 2023.

1102
01:48:01.627 --> 01:48:04.435
<v Dan Ryan>And am I hearing now there's one person left on that team?

1103
01:48:05.011 --> 01:48:11.253
<v Christina Gann>Yeah, we received from federal resources a pro-housing grant that are supporting one of the positions for the next year or 2.

1104
01:48:11.573 --> 01:48:11.846
<v Rabbi Fora>Okay.

1105
01:48:12.632 --> 01:48:16.194
<v Dan Ryan>I think that is part of the challenge is we don't have that.

1106
01:48:16.547 --> 01:48:21.569
<v Dan Ryan>That team of 4 was very helpful and they were very artful of herding cats, if you will.

1107
01:48:23.608 --> 01:48:31.429
<v Dan Ryan>Having those positions that were just focused on this, which is what CA Lee is speaking of, I think, when you're talking about a change management team.

1108
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:36.247
<v Dan Ryan>And you probably didn't even know we had a team like that because there's a lot of institutional memory.

1109
01:48:36.310 --> 01:48:37.530
<v Dan Ryan>It's really sad when I'm in.

1110
01:48:38.639 --> 01:48:44.372
<v Dan Ryan>So I hope that we have some honesty about what it takes to do this work.

1111
01:48:45.207 --> 01:48:47.328
<v Dan Ryan>And it can't just come from the dais up here.

1112
01:48:47.391 --> 01:48:48.162
<v Dan Ryan>We all know that.

1113
01:48:48.515 --> 01:48:52.092
<v Dan Ryan>But it also can't always come from of folks that are already doing other jobs.

1114
01:48:52.622 --> 01:49:08.154
<v Dan Ryan>So I'm rooting for the CA Lee and all of you to embrace again an upgraded version, a 0.2 version of whatever that team looks like to do that cat herding to move this along, because I think it slowed down after the— those positions went away.

1115
01:49:08.730 --> 01:49:10.253
<v Dan Ryan>Does that make sense?

1116
01:49:10.398 --> 01:49:10.751
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1117
01:49:10.798 --> 01:49:21.278
<v Christina Gann>Yeah, it's my understanding that one of the homework assignments given to us by the resolution is to do that kind of thinking and figure out what can we do with existing staff resources, right?

1118
01:49:21.342 --> 01:49:26.667
<v Christina Gann>And then what would be the kind of boosted up version of that that might require more than we have right now?

1119
01:49:26.926 --> 01:49:29.743
<v Christina Gann>And then presenting that information to you all to weigh and—.

1120
01:49:29.806 --> 01:49:33.617
<v Dan Ryan>I hope when you come back, it's about that decision package.

1121
01:49:34.082 --> 01:49:34.435
<v Dan Ryan>Thanks.

1122
01:49:35.835 --> 01:49:36.533
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Ryan.

1123
01:49:38.118 --> 01:49:41.448
<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, can we please call the roll on this resolution?

1124
01:49:47.305 --> 01:49:52.395
<v Keelan McClymont>For document 2026-203, Koyama Lane?

1125
01:49:54.528 --> 01:49:54.707
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1126
01:49:55.748 --> 01:49:56.238
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

1127
01:49:56.725 --> 01:49:56.759
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1128
01:49:57.945 --> 01:49:58.042
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1129
01:49:58.913 --> 01:49:59.042
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1130
01:49:59.962 --> 01:49:59.978
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1131
01:50:00.606 --> 01:50:00.639
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1132
01:50:02.542 --> 01:50:02.590
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1133
01:50:03.542 --> 01:50:04.057
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

1134
01:50:04.557 --> 01:50:04.637
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1135
01:50:05.688 --> 01:50:05.998
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

1136
01:50:08.715 --> 01:50:09.025
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

1137
01:50:10.380 --> 01:50:10.395
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1138
01:50:11.286 --> 01:50:11.707
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal.

1139
01:50:12.905 --> 01:50:12.921
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

1140
01:50:13.893 --> 01:50:14.427
<v Rebecca Dobert>Pirtle-Guiney.

1141
01:50:15.091 --> 01:50:15.140
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1142
01:50:15.917 --> 01:50:16.289
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan.

1143
01:50:16.807 --> 01:50:16.953
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

1144
01:50:17.715 --> 01:50:18.152
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy.

1145
01:50:18.654 --> 01:50:18.783
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1146
01:50:19.609 --> 01:50:23.990
<v Keelan McClymont>And the resolution is adopted with 11 aye and 1 absent.

1147
01:50:24.377 --> 01:50:25.376
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you all very much.

1148
01:50:25.869 --> 01:50:27.465
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, it is 3:45.

1149
01:50:27.529 --> 01:50:29.500
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm gonna give us a 10-minute restroom break.

1150
01:50:29.564 --> 01:50:30.997
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please be back here at 3:55.

1151
02:03:08.735 --> 02:03:10.555
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we are coming back.

1152
02:03:10.621 --> 02:03:12.765
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have 8 folks— look at that, 9 folks!

1153
02:03:12.814 --> 02:03:14.310
<v Jamie Dunphy>Look at that, we're all here on time.

1154
02:03:15.340 --> 02:03:18.537
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, Rebecca, can we please call item number 9?

1155
02:03:21.993 --> 02:03:31.055
<v Keelan McClymont>Item 9, amend vehicles and traffic code to clarify applicability of ride fees and establish a driver's resource center for transportation network company drivers.

1156
02:03:31.167 --> 02:03:45.171
<v Jamie Dunphy>Amend code sections colleagues, this is the first reading of a non-emergency ordinance.

1157
02:03:46.251 --> 02:03:48.750
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are not going to be moving this towards second reading today.

1158
02:03:48.829 --> 02:03:53.087
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are going to get to hear from all the folks who have signed up to testify, though.

1159
02:03:53.296 --> 02:03:56.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>There's some additional work that still can be going on, but first reading of the ordinance.

1160
02:03:56.639 --> 02:03:58.479
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Deputy City Administrator.

1161
02:03:58.702 --> 02:04:00.162
<v Jamie Dunphy>First, I need to— where is it?

1162
02:04:00.211 --> 02:04:00.435
<v Jamie Dunphy>There it is.

1163
02:04:00.932 --> 02:04:05.170
<v Jamie Dunphy>First, I'm going to turn it over to Christopher Hare, Council Operations Committee staff summary.

1164
02:04:05.603 --> 02:04:06.005
<v Jamie Dunphy>Take it away.

1165
02:04:06.550 --> 02:04:10.145
<v Christopher Hare>Thank you, and good afternoon again, Council President, Vice President, and councilors.

1166
02:04:10.658 --> 02:04:15.601
<v Christopher Hare>For the record again, Christopher Hare, Council Operations Policy Analyst, and I serve as staff to the City Life Committee.

1167
02:04:16.131 --> 02:04:24.189
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-192, was considered in the City Life Committee on June 9th, where it was referred to council with a recommendation that it be passed.

1168
02:04:24.926 --> 02:04:33.354
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance amends City Code Sections 16.40.030 and 16.40.240, as shown in Exhibit A.

1169
02:04:33.979 --> 02:04:40.051
<v Christopher Hare>The amendments to Section 16.40.030 revise definitions used within Chapter 16.40.

1170
02:04:40.389 --> 02:04:51.636
<v Christopher Hare>While the majority of the changes are technical and conforming in nature, the definition of conducting business is substantively amended to specify that a trip occurring within the City of Portland is considered business activity conducted in Portland.

1171
02:04:51.944 --> 02:04:57.529
<v Christopher Hare>Regardless of where the trip originated and is subject to applicable permitting and regulatory requirements.

1172
02:04:57.934 --> 02:05:07.841
<v Christopher Hare>The amendments to Section 16.40.240 establish new requirements related to transportation network company, or TNC, driver deactivations.

1173
02:05:08.180 --> 02:05:16.685
<v Christopher Hare>When a driver's access to a platform is deactivated for an alleged violation of a TNC's terms of service, the TNC must provide written notice to the driver within 48 hours.

1174
02:05:17.063 --> 02:05:32.844
<v Christopher Hare>The notice must include a stated reason for deactivation, The specific terms of service alleged to have been violated, the effective date and duration of the deactivation, any actions the driver may take to seek reinstatement, and instructions for filing an appeal as provided by the city administrator.

1175
02:05:33.358 --> 02:05:39.270
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance also prohibits the disclosure of customer identifying information to the driver as part of the notification process.

1176
02:05:39.703 --> 02:05:53.164
<v Christopher Hare>In addition, the ordinance requires TNCs to provide the city administrator and authorized representatives with direct access to to the company's highest level of customer service for the purpose of assisting drivers and addressing issues related to compliance and appeals.

1177
02:05:53.920 --> 02:06:03.971
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance authorizes the city administrator to adopt administrative rules necessary to implement and collect permitted ride fees on trips that either originate or terminate within the City of Portland.

1178
02:06:04.278 --> 02:06:13.462
<v Christopher Hare>It also authorizes the establishment of and adoption of administrative rules for a driver's resource center, center within the private-for-hire transportation regulatory program.

1179
02:06:13.752 --> 02:06:30.027
<v Christopher Hare>The center may assist drivers with eligible deactivation appeals, provide translation and interpretation services, support access to required operating documentation, offer culturally responsive information, education, outreach, training, and related services for hire drivers operating in Portland.

1180
02:06:30.524 --> 02:06:37.113
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance further authorizes the use of a portion of permitted ride fee revenues to support administration and operation of the center.

1181
02:06:37.595 --> 02:06:48.310
<v Christopher Hare>Finally, the ordinance authorizes the city administrator to conduct the ordinance directs a competitive procurement process and enter into contract not to exceed $1.5 million annually with an independent organization to operate the center.

1182
02:06:48.614 --> 02:06:52.872
<v Christopher Hare>The selected contractor must be independent of TNCs and free from conflict of interest.

1183
02:06:53.177 --> 02:07:10.503
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance also directs preference be given to nonprofit organizations with demonstrated experience advocating for the civil and economic rights of drivers, contractors, and workers from disadvantaged socioeconomic groups, including experience providing representation in grievance proceedings and delivering services and resources to TNC drivers.

1184
02:07:10.935 --> 02:07:18.305
<v Christopher Hare>The full impact statements on this item includes financial and budgetary impacts, economic and real estate development impacts, community impacts, and community involvement.

1185
02:07:18.706 --> 02:07:24.521
<v Christopher Hare>2 Amendments were approved in committee on June 9th, the effects of which can be read in the committee staff summary posted online.

1186
02:07:25.259 --> 02:07:30.930
<v Christopher Hare>3 Individuals provided verbal testimony in committee and 4 submitted written testimony prior to committee action.

1187
02:07:31.506 --> 02:07:38.652
<v Christopher Hare>The general themes of testimony included drivers' experiences with platform deactivations, including concerns regarding limited information provided Thank you.

1188
02:07:38.699 --> 02:08:33.198
<v Christopher Hare>Questions or comments about the reason for deactivation and challenges communicating directly with TNCs, language access barriers and the availability of translation interpretation services to assist drivers in navigating TNC systems and resources, compensation levels for Portland TNC drivers compared with drivers in other jurisdictions including Seattle and Denver, requests for greater clarity regarding the definition of deactivation and which categories of deactivations would be eligible for review through the driver Drivers Resource Center, concerns that additional regulatory costs or transportation fees could increase the cost of rides for passengers, questions regarding the city's role in providing resources and support services for independent contractors and the potential impacts on competition between TNCs and traditional taxicab companies, perspectives regarding the potential business impact of the ordinance on TNCs operating in Portland and the relationship between driver compensation, business sustainability, and profitability.

1189
02:08:34.981 --> 02:08:36.555
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Christopher.

1190
02:08:36.925 --> 02:08:40.747
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, not only are you a sponsor of this, this also came out of your committee.

1191
02:08:41.261 --> 02:08:41.807
<v Jamie Dunphy>Turn to you.

1192
02:08:41.984 --> 02:08:42.563
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It sure did.

1193
02:08:42.627 --> 02:08:44.073
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you so much, Council President.

1194
02:08:44.217 --> 02:08:58.819
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to start by thanking my co-sponsors, Councilor Novick, Council President Dunphy, Councilor Murillo, and also thanking Councilor Zimmerman, who brought an amendment forward during the committee process to address some concerns he had.

1195
02:08:58.997 --> 02:09:00.112
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Had heard with the underlying.

1196
02:09:02.159 --> 02:09:10.280
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I'm going to go through a little bit of detail here because there's a lot to this measure, and I want to talk about the why behind it.

1197
02:09:11.184 --> 02:09:20.646
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So Portland has relied over a number of years now pretty heavily on rideshare as a core part of our transportation system.

1198
02:09:21.622 --> 02:09:29.797
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The people who make that system work, the drivers, are increasingly left behind as changes in that industry progress.

1199
02:09:30.791 --> 02:09:44.860
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Drivers face unpredictable wages, sudden deactivation without recourse or even a clear explanation as to why, and as independent contractors, lack access to benefits like healthcare, paid leave, and other job protections.

1200
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll note that they also, as independent contractors, lack the standard means of forming a union to advocate for their needs that are available to employee workers.

1201
02:09:56.845 --> 02:10:00.907
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The rideshare model relies on classifying drivers as independent contractors.

1202
02:10:01.323 --> 02:10:09.095
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It, in practice, allows many of the costs of doing business to be borne out by the drivers and by the city.

1203
02:10:09.850 --> 02:10:14.716
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When a driver is unfairly deactivated, they face employment and housing instability.

1204
02:10:16.015 --> 02:10:25.301
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When they make poor wages or lack benefits or face that instability from deactivation, they increasingly rely on state and city services.

1205
02:10:26.296 --> 02:10:34.827
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The model isn't just hard on drivers, but it creates instability and cost in our systems in Portland, including instability in our transportation system.

1206
02:10:36.319 --> 02:10:37.858
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need Portland's economy to work.

1207
02:10:39.045 --> 02:10:42.944
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Portlanders know that a strong economy is impossible without good jobs.

1208
02:10:43.940 --> 02:10:51.228
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And Portlanders know that a working economy in our transportation system has to have a system that works for these drivers.

1209
02:10:52.470 --> 02:10:53.744
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Right now, that's not the case.

1210
02:10:56.158 --> 02:11:04.354
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are a number of solutions to address a variety of concerns that have been brought up in this industry that we'll hear over the coming months.

1211
02:11:04.484 --> 02:11:07.154
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But today we have before us one critical part of the solution.

1212
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Which specifically addresses deactivations and the need to have experts, people who have experience contacting and working with our TNCs, our rideshare companies, who can support drivers as they navigate the world of working as independent contractors and who can walk beside drivers as they attempt to contact and work with TNCs.

1213
02:11:34.507 --> 02:11:44.139
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We've heard that one of the core challenges is just the ability to reach somebody, have a conversation, and truly understand what a deactivation is about.

1214
02:11:44.867 --> 02:11:48.829
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But when you've addressed that 100 times before, it's much easier to do.

1215
02:11:49.719 --> 02:11:55.171
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we need to set up a system where there are experts who have done this hundreds of times before and can help.

1216
02:11:56.853 --> 02:12:06.314
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So to do that, the ordinance establishes a driver resource resource center, or DRC, which is a centralized independent resource to support rideshare drivers.

1217
02:12:07.212 --> 02:12:16.350
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The DRC is a place where drivers can go when they get deactivated, when they're facing wage issues, when they're navigating benefits and protections that don't currently exist within the system.

1218
02:12:17.681 --> 02:12:23.847
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll note that in the past Portland contracted for an ombudsperson that did much of this work.

1219
02:12:25.037 --> 02:12:31.042
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The question came up in committee about whether this was within scope for Portland to do, and it most certainly is given that history.

1220
02:12:32.261 --> 02:12:36.581
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That system with an internal ombudsperson was somewhat underutilized.

1221
02:12:37.336 --> 02:12:46.118
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We had an internal person who didn't have the experience to provide drivers with the services that they most needed.

1222
02:12:47.048 --> 02:12:59.372
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>By contracting for this work with a driver resource center, we have seen in other states and cities that we can successfully successfully ensure that drivers are getting those services that they need and truly taking advantage of the system that's in place.

1223
02:13:02.159 --> 02:13:06.332
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I do want to clarify a little bit about what is and what isn't here.

1224
02:13:07.210 --> 02:13:11.087
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This ordinance will not change any rules around deactivation.

1225
02:13:12.475 --> 02:13:16.252
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It does not change the authority over who sets those rules.

1226
02:13:17.076 --> 02:13:28.251
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It does not do anything to change the relationship between drivers TNCs, or PBOT, or to change the scope of PBOT's regulatory authority or regulatory work.

1227
02:13:29.293 --> 02:13:46.914
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It simply provides a resource, an advocate, a partner for drivers who are navigating some really complicated regulations and really complicated rules within the TNC environment by ensuring that they can work with an expert who has done this and knows how to help support them.

1228
02:13:48.293 --> 02:13:51.002
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So how do we pay for that driver resource center?

1229
02:13:52.365 --> 02:14:05.255
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>As was mentioned in the committee staff summary, one of the changes in the code before us is to say that regardless of where a ride originates, it can be regulated by the City of Portland.

1230
02:14:05.927 --> 02:14:08.701
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's the case in many other cities and states.

1231
02:14:10.176 --> 02:14:15.762
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>By making that change, we actually free up a funding stream without raising costs.

1232
02:14:16.377 --> 02:14:28.162
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Today, the way that our code is written, Portland only charges ride fees on trips that originate within the city, but not those that originate elsewhere and end within our city.

1233
02:14:29.761 --> 02:14:37.965
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Other jurisdictions charge fees on rides within their city, including those that begin or end there, and we have the authority to do the same.

1234
02:14:38.993 --> 02:14:53.005
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This ordinance, by clarifying the regulatory applicability of rides that end but don't begin in our city, allows us to extend the fee that currently exists without expanding that fee to cover the costs.

1235
02:14:53.823 --> 02:14:55.283
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is not a new concept.

1236
02:14:55.604 --> 02:15:04.238
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>In fact, the mayor and PBOT have previously explored this approach for revenue raising, and I'll note that this ensures that the cost of the fee does not go up.

1237
02:15:08.686 --> 02:15:11.063
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Those were questions that came up in committee.

1238
02:15:12.460 --> 02:15:21.579
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So to clarify, this is that fee that council in our budget a year and a bit ago raised to $2 per ride.

1239
02:15:22.576 --> 02:15:28.564
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That increase made rides more expensive, theoretically reducing demand and directly impacting drivers' earnings.

1240
02:15:28.613 --> 02:15:29.175
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm sorry, can you repeat that?

1241
02:15:30.363 --> 02:15:33.537
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And provided no support through the increases to drivers.

1242
02:15:34.837 --> 02:15:55.556
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have the opportunity here through this change in how we regulate rides and, and where we collect fees to provide the funding for the Driver Resource Center, again, without changing the level of the fee, without cutting into PBOT funding, and in a way that has been considered previously by the administration.

1243
02:15:55.604 --> 02:15:55.716
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1244
02:15:56.407 --> 02:15:57.899
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And is very workable.

1245
02:15:59.069 --> 02:16:10.905
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>As long as TNCs maintain the independent contractor model, we can't fully get them to take on the social and economic costs created by a somewhat unstable work environment for drivers.

1246
02:16:11.980 --> 02:16:20.048
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But through this measure, we can ensure that drivers get the support that they need within the driver community to be successful at their jobs.

1247
02:16:21.042 --> 02:16:21.893
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I want to end.

1248
02:16:21.988 --> 02:16:24.139
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I started by thanking my co-sponsors.

1249
02:16:24.234 --> 02:16:24.667
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want thank you.

1250
02:16:24.747 --> 02:16:31.125
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to end by thanking the folks within this industry, starting with the drivers union for your advocacy.

1251
02:16:31.301 --> 02:16:45.325
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You came to us a little over a year ago asking if we could figure out a way to have a driver resource center in Portland, and your patience as we have looked for the best way to get it done and to fund it here is appreciated.

1252
02:16:46.721 --> 02:16:49.114
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And second, to Uber and Lyft for engaging on this.

1253
02:16:49.468 --> 02:17:00.934
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>They've provided They have raised some concerns about clarifying that this does not change how deactivation works within the system.

1254
02:17:01.014 --> 02:17:10.587
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It merely provides that advocacy path to support drivers who are facing deactivation and other changes in the system, other concerns with the system.

1255
02:17:11.438 --> 02:17:21.023
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>My understanding is that because of timing and the need to move forward on some other measures that are on the agenda, that this is not going to be on the agenda today we're only able to hear public testimony.

1256
02:17:21.842 --> 02:17:37.770
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I think we're going to take advantage of that delay that we are unfortunately facing on this measure to figure out if there is some easy language that we can use to clarify and ensure that those concerns don't persist.

1257
02:17:38.426 --> 02:17:49.389
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to be clear that any clarification wouldn't change the, the language here, the impact of that language, the intent of it, or the funding mechanism.

1258
02:17:49.486 --> 02:17:54.985
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It would merely add a line or two of clarity to the end that I described here today.

1259
02:17:55.192 --> 02:17:57.742
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We'll see if we get that or not.

1260
02:17:57.822 --> 02:18:01.814
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If so, we'll bring it forward when this comes back for the continuation of the first reading.

1261
02:18:02.968 --> 02:18:10.165
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>With that, I will just finally note that there is work being done at the state level coordinated by Senator Jama.

1262
02:18:10.599 --> 02:18:17.700
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>He has shared with us that this work is a supplement rather than a conflict with the work that he is doing.

1263
02:18:18.295 --> 02:18:22.584
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have a letter to that end posted in the record in case there are any questions there.

1264
02:18:23.341 --> 02:18:32.290
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I welcome the testimony today and discussion and questions later and would ask colleagues for your ultimate support on this measure.

1265
02:18:32.594 --> 02:18:33.703
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1266
02:18:33.783 --> 02:18:34.731
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1267
02:18:34.781 --> 02:19:01.319
<v Steve Novick>I'll turn to Councilors Novick yeah, um, I just wanted to say that, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney eloquently explained the proposal, and we're going to hear really eloquent explanations of the need for the proposal from the drivers that are going to testify.

1268
02:19:01.368 --> 02:19:01.675
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

1269
02:19:03.171 --> 02:19:05.420
<v Steve Novick>This is a driver-driven proposal.

1270
02:19:06.399 --> 02:19:08.585
<v Steve Novick>No pun intended.

1271
02:19:09.613 --> 02:19:10.577
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1272
02:19:10.979 --> 02:19:12.586
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Mariah.

1273
02:19:12.811 --> 02:19:16.250
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, I just want to say thanks for all the folks that put this together and worked on it.

1274
02:19:16.346 --> 02:19:20.171
<v Angelita Morillo>And thank you so much to the Drivers Union for— you guys have been pushing for this for a long time.

1275
02:19:20.218 --> 02:19:23.915
<v Angelita Morillo>It was one of the first things you chatted with me about when I first got into office.

1276
02:19:23.995 --> 02:19:27.674
<v Angelita Morillo>And if it wasn't for your lead and your expertise, we wouldn't be here today.

1277
02:19:28.172 --> 02:19:32.097
<v Angelita Morillo>I wish we were voting on it today because I just want to get it done, and I'm so excited about it.

1278
02:19:32.962 --> 02:19:39.245
<v Angelita Morillo>And I, again, because I don't have a license, I take Lyft and Uber all the time to get places when I'm not taking the bus.

1279
02:19:39.372 --> 02:19:45.013
<v Angelita Morillo>And this is something that I've heard from almost every single driver, that it's really essential for your guys' rights to be maintained.

1280
02:19:45.542 --> 02:20:01.293
<v Angelita Morillo>And as an immigrant too, I'm especially thinking about the immigrant drivers in our community that really need these resources and the language access who have been specifically and uniquely targeted because of these policies or because of the lack of clarity in the policies, really.

1281
02:20:01.359 --> 02:20:07.700
<v Angelita Morillo>So I'm really excited for the potential that this has to really help establish people's rights in that way.

1282
02:20:08.005 --> 02:20:14.123
<v Angelita Morillo>And thank you so much for leading us to come to this conclusion and do a lot better by the workers in our city.

1283
02:20:14.203 --> 02:20:18.265
<v Angelita Morillo>So I am very eagerly looking forward to the day that we get to vote on it.

1284
02:20:18.522 --> 02:20:18.747
<v Candace Avalos>Thanks.

1285
02:20:18.843 --> 02:20:19.117
<v Heidi Brown>Thank you.

1286
02:20:19.406 --> 02:20:20.372
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

1287
02:20:20.694 --> 02:20:21.934
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm also a sponsor on this.

1288
02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:23.416
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm proud to be a co-sponsor on this.

1289
02:20:23.610 --> 02:20:25.156
<v Jamie Dunphy>My colleagues have said everything that I would add.

1290
02:20:26.450 --> 02:20:29.661
<v Jamie Dunphy>TNC drivers need a strong permanent advocate.

1291
02:20:30.662 --> 02:20:32.533
<v Jamie Dunphy>This ordinance creates and funds that.

1292
02:20:32.953 --> 02:20:35.810
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's a straightforward and appropriate mechanism and it's well worth it.

1293
02:20:36.411 --> 02:20:38.065
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's simple and more to come.

1294
02:20:38.536 --> 02:20:43.676
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Rebecca, I'd love to jump into public testimony right now, please.

1295
02:20:48.827 --> 02:20:57.104
<v Keelan McClymont>First up, we have Sam Araya, Clint Hillis, Craig Bethel, Bob Casanelli.

1296
02:20:59.459 --> 02:21:00.234
<v Keelan McClymont>Sam is online.

1297
02:21:00.281 --> 02:21:01.137
<v Keelan McClymont>You can go ahead, Sam.

1298
02:21:07.945 --> 02:21:09.691
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1299
02:21:11.981 --> 02:21:13.127
<v Keelan McClymont>Sam, you can unmute.

1300
02:21:13.191 --> 02:21:13.563
<v Keelan McClymont>Go ahead.

1301
02:21:19.404 --> 02:21:23.631
<v Keelan McClymont>Looks like he's having trouble.

1302
02:21:23.712 --> 02:21:24.725
<v Keelan McClymont>You can start at the table.

1303
02:21:26.250 --> 02:21:28.415
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, I test—.

1304
02:21:28.787 --> 02:21:34.945
<v Craig Bethel>Gave testimony about 6 months ago, I think it was, for the Driver Resource Center, and I started off with this introduction.

1305
02:21:36.797 --> 02:21:38.385
<v Craig Bethel>I'm a 5th generation Oregonian.

1306
02:21:39.796 --> 02:21:40.742
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, and your name for the record.

1307
02:21:41.463 --> 02:21:46.484
<v Craig Bethel>And I've lived, I've lived in the Portland metro area for 69 years.

1308
02:21:47.621 --> 02:21:53.620
<v Craig Bethel>And 10 years ago I joined Lyft, and it's one of the most enjoyable jobs I've had.

1309
02:21:54.918 --> 02:22:00.355
<v Craig Bethel>I am saddened by the way Uber and Lyft treat the drivers.

1310
02:22:02.137 --> 02:22:10.190
<v Craig Bethel>Closing down our only resource for each of those places is why I'm really endorsing this driver's resource center.

1311
02:22:11.128 --> 02:22:20.143
<v Craig Bethel>And now I am the president of Fare Co-op, a third resource, a third rideshare coming to Portland.

1312
02:22:20.886 --> 02:22:28.297
<v Craig Bethel>And we have a lot of, a lot of good things for the drivers because we're based for the drivers, for the community.

1313
02:22:28.361 --> 02:22:28.459
<v Craig Bethel>Thank you.

1314
02:22:29.012 --> 02:22:32.377
<v Craig Bethel>Without being told by the corporate what we have to do.

1315
02:22:32.877 --> 02:22:35.083
<v Craig Bethel>They oversee us, but they don't tell us what we have to do.

1316
02:22:36.112 --> 02:22:40.152
<v Craig Bethel>So I want to thank everyone who worked to create the Driver Resource Center.

1317
02:22:43.736 --> 02:22:44.268
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

1318
02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.561
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please say your name on the record real quick.

1319
02:22:49.789 --> 02:22:50.647
<v Craig Bethel>Craig Bethel.

1320
02:22:50.842 --> 02:22:51.084
<v Sameer Kanal>There we go.

1321
02:22:51.393 --> 02:22:51.734
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1322
02:22:52.202 --> 02:22:52.706
<v Craig Bethel>Craig Bethel.

1323
02:22:53.743 --> 02:22:57.333
<v Craig Bethel>I have been working with Fair for four years trying to get them here.

1324
02:22:57.718 --> 02:22:58.394
<v Craig Bethel>They're finally here.

1325
02:22:59.422 --> 02:23:04.614
<v Craig Bethel>We we're operating, and we're operating for rideshare drivers.

1326
02:23:04.711 --> 02:23:07.626
<v Craig Bethel>This is more than just another program—the Drivers Resource Center.

1327
02:23:07.771 --> 02:23:12.859
<v Craig Bethel>This is a place where drivers can find support, guidance, and someone to turn to when they need help.

1328
02:23:15.369 --> 02:23:20.645
<v Craig Bethel>Whether it is assistance with deactivation, language barriers, documentation, or simple understanding of.

1329
02:23:20.729 --> 02:23:24.418
<v Craig Bethel>The system, the center fills the need for our industry.

1330
02:23:25.638 --> 02:23:31.236
<v Craig Bethel>I'm especially proud today that I am representing Fare Co-op, a rideshare company.

1331
02:23:31.751 --> 02:23:40.060
<v Craig Bethel>And let's see, I think I'm the only rideshare company here representing and speaking for the Driver Resource Center.

1332
02:23:40.735 --> 02:23:43.799
<v Craig Bethel>And of course, I'm president of Fare for Portland.

1333
02:23:44.424 --> 02:23:45.675
<v Craig Bethel>Fare Co-op is different.

1334
02:23:46.173 --> 02:23:58.577
<v Craig Bethel>We're a A majority driver-owned cooperative built on belief that can work better for everyone instead of maximizing profits for outside shareholders.

1335
02:23:59.235 --> 02:24:08.272
<v Craig Bethel>Our mission is to provide fairer opportunities for drivers while delivering reliable and respectable service to the customers.

1336
02:24:09.666 --> 02:24:11.494
<v Craig Bethel>We support the Driver Resource Center.

1337
02:24:12.793 --> 02:24:16.547
<v Craig Bethel>Because an informed and supported driver is a better driver.

1338
02:24:18.036 --> 02:24:29.209
<v Craig Bethel>When drivers have access to resources, education, advocacy, everyone benefits— drivers, riders, and the community as a whole.

1339
02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:41.596
<v Craig Bethel>As cooperative, we believe in the future of transportation should be built on fairness, transparency, and partnership.

1340
02:24:42.216 --> 02:24:53.665
<v Craig Bethel>We look forward to working with the Driver Resource Center, city's leaders, fellow drivers that make Portland— and make Portland a model of what rideshare can be, can become.

1341
02:24:54.354 --> 02:25:06.165
<v Craig Bethel>Thank you for your time, for your commitment to the drivers, and for giving FareCo-op the opportunity to be part of this important conversion.

1342
02:25:07.254 --> 02:25:07.971
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much.

1343
02:25:08.760 --> 02:25:09.372
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks, Craig.

1344
02:25:10.034 --> 02:25:13.619
<v Keelan McClymont>Sam Araya online, can you unmute and go ahead?

1345
02:25:17.659 --> 02:25:19.243
<v Keelan McClymont>We're seeing you online but not hearing you.

1346
02:25:20.500 --> 02:25:21.070
<v Samuel Araya>Can you hear me now?

1347
02:25:21.528 --> 02:25:22.965
<v Keelan McClymont>We can hear you now, you can go ahead.

1348
02:25:24.020 --> 02:25:26.028
<v Samuel Araya>Yeah, good afternoon, committee members.

1349
02:25:26.220 --> 02:25:27.506
<v Samuel Araya>My name is Samuel Araya.

1350
02:25:28.229 --> 02:25:40.031
<v Samuel Araya>I live in District 3 in Portland, and I was a rideshare driver for over 10 years before Uber and Lyft wrongfully deactivate me because of an error on my background check.

1351
02:25:40.738 --> 02:25:42.233
<v Samuel Araya>They don't make it easy for me.

1352
02:25:42.763 --> 02:25:45.541
<v Samuel Araya>We don't get to speak to a real person.

1353
02:25:45.879 --> 02:25:49.316
<v Samuel Araya>They make me text them in English, which is not my first language.

1354
02:25:49.976 --> 02:25:56.722
<v Samuel Araya>I just got reactivated on Uber but still struggling to catch up on my bills because of the time I lost on the road.

1355
02:25:58.167 --> 02:26:02.344
<v Samuel Araya>Even before I got deactivated, there was many times I was underpaid.

1356
02:26:03.003 --> 02:26:05.844
<v Samuel Araya>It was almost impossible to contact someone.

1357
02:26:06.615 --> 02:26:08.816
<v Samuel Araya>You get bounced around like a pinball.

1358
02:26:09.569 --> 02:26:15.174
<v Samuel Araya>They close the chats on you and they don't even understand what you're trying to tell them.

1359
02:26:16.555 --> 02:26:27.248
<v Samuel Araya>Like many drivers, I need help to communicate with the companies and help translate, but every time I need assistance, I have to drive across town.

1360
02:26:27.328 --> 02:26:27.779
<v Samuel Araya>Thank you.

1361
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<v Samuel Araya>To a coffee shop where the music is loud, or to the library where you have to be very quiet.

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02:26:34.645 --> 02:26:43.388
<v Samuel Araya>It's hard to get interpretation when you are worried about the sounds around you and when you don't have as much of privacy.

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<v Samuel Araya>But I hear that drivers in Colorado and Washington can go to the place and get support if they were owed money or if Uber and Lyft take their jobs away.

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<v Samuel Araya>Thank you.

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02:26:54.849 --> 02:26:59.233
<v Samuel Araya>Why can't Portland drivers have their own driver resource center?

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<v Samuel Araya>Thank you, Councilors Pirtle-Guiney, Novick, Mariello, and Dulphy and others for supporting your local rideshare drivers and giving us a place to go and get help where we need it the most.

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<v Samuel Araya>Thank you.

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<v Samuel Araya>I appreciate you all.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much.

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<v Samuel Araya>Have a good day.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Joe Jackson, Juliana Gonzalez, Ben Gilbert, Jordan Lewis.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please introduce yourself for the record.

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<v Steve Wong>Take it away.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>President Dunphy, Vice President Clark, members of the council.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>My name is Joe Jackson, for the record.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I've been a rideshare driver in the Portland metro area for 11 years.

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02:27:47.733 --> 02:27:51.712
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have driven thousands of trips and amassed hundreds of thousands of miles on these streets.

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02:27:52.889 --> 02:27:56.788
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm here in strong support of this ordinance to create a driver resource center.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Not much longer than a year ago, I was in this very seat— that seat, close enough— asking for this, and I praise the hard work of our sponsors and supporters.

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02:28:12.772 --> 02:28:15.632
<v Eric Zimmerman>Who have helped bring life to the ask that I had back then.

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02:28:16.754 --> 02:28:18.841
<v Eric Zimmerman>I just want to take a chance here to thank you all.

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02:28:18.922 --> 02:28:19.260
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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02:28:21.272 --> 02:28:42.575
<v Eric Zimmerman>Drivers need a place to go to get help, or if we have issues with the TNCs, regulatory issues or questions, trouble understanding, the Driver Resource Center could offer legal help at little to no cost to drivers who are worried about feeding their families after they've lost their job.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Translation and interpretation services for the culturally biased English-speaking AI chatbots that dominate the customer service that both of the current TNC giants offer.

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02:28:57.136 --> 02:29:01.802
<v Eric Zimmerman>And finally, outreach and education to the massive and diverse driver community.

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02:29:03.819 --> 02:29:11.297
<v Eric Zimmerman>The $2 trip fee has been in effect for over a year now without supporting the drivers that So desperately need the support.

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02:29:12.549 --> 02:29:17.275
<v Eric Zimmerman>And we understand that Portland has needs, but so do drivers.

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02:29:17.950 --> 02:29:21.300
<v Eric Zimmerman>And without us, the new funding wouldn't exist.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>So please support our Driver Resource Center so that we drivers can get the support we need.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

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02:29:30.825 --> 02:29:31.927
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you for supporting drivers.

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02:29:32.852 --> 02:29:33.412
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much.

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02:29:34.778 --> 02:29:35.742
<v Keelan McClymont>Juliana's online.

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02:29:35.922 --> 02:29:36.494
<v Keelan McClymont>You can go ahead.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>Thank you so much.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>Good afternoon, council members.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>My name is Juliana Gonzalez, and I serve as the executive director of Colorado Independent Drivers United, or CIDU.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>We represent rideshare drivers across Colorado and work every day to help workers navigate the unique challenges of app-based work.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>I'm here today to support funding for a driver resource center in Portland.

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02:30:02.029 --> 02:30:05.826
<v Juliana Gonzalez>Our experience in Colorado has shown that drivers need more than just rights on paper.

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02:30:06.677 --> 02:30:11.914
<v Juliana Gonzalez>They need accessible, trusted institutions that can help them understand and exercise those rights.

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02:30:12.620 --> 02:30:23.043
<v Juliana Gonzalez>The app-based workers often face language barriers, technological challenges, complex company policies, and processes that can be difficult to navigate alone.

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02:30:24.040 --> 02:30:36.566
<v Juliana Gonzalez>Through CIDU, we help drivers understand workplace protections, navigate the deactivations, access legal resources, Connect with government agencies, and advocate for fair treatment.

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02:30:37.352 --> 02:30:44.800
<v Juliana Gonzalez>Many drivers come to us after spending weeks or months trying unsuccessfully to resolve, resolve these issues on their own.

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02:30:45.636 --> 02:30:58.977
<v Juliana Gonzalez>Having a dedicated resource center creates a place where workers can receive support from people who understand the industry, speak their language, and can help them navigate the systems that are often confusing and inaccessible.

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<v Raymond C. Lee>Thank you.

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02:30:59.827 --> 02:31:01.531
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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02:31:02.415 --> 02:31:04.715
<v Juliana Gonzalez>These centers also benefit the broader community.

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02:31:05.389 --> 02:31:15.913
<v Juliana Gonzalez>They improve compliance with labor standards, increase awareness of worker protections, they reduce the misinformation, and create a more stable workforce.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>They serve as a bridge between workers, government agencies, and transportation network companies.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>As policymakers across the country continue to address the growth of app-based work, driver resource centers have proven to be an effective and practical investment.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>They help ensure that workers can access the rights and protections that lawmakers intended them to have.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>I encourage you to please support this funding and help create a resource center that will provide meaningful assistance to Portland's rideshare and delivery drivers for years to come.

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<v Juliana Gonzalez>Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

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02:31:51.426 --> 02:31:52.373
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you for joining us today.

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<v Ben Gilbert>My name is Ben Gilbert, and I'm a volunteer lobbyist with the Portland Democratic Socialists of America.

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<v Ben Gilbert>Please support the ordinance by Councilors Elana Pirtle-Guiney, Steve Novick, Jamie Dunphy, and Angelita Morillo to establish a driver's resource center for transportation network company drivers.

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<v Ben Gilbert>Online platforms like Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, etc.

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02:32:18.322 --> 02:32:23.747
<v Ben Gilbert>Have long exploited gaps in legislation to deny workers their basic rights because they lack status and recognition.

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02:32:24.662 --> 02:32:29.558
<v Ben Gilbert>Online platforms deny them regular work contracts even though they exercise control over their labor.

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02:32:30.424 --> 02:32:32.334
<v Ben Gilbert>This has given rise to degrading work conditions.

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02:32:33.010 --> 02:32:42.415
<v Ben Gilbert>Platform workers have irregular income, work long hours, are often effectively denied collective bargaining and labor representation, and do not have access to paid sick leave or holiday entitlements.

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02:32:43.121 --> 02:33:05.216
<v Ben Gilbert>Online platforms emerged with the 2008 financial crisis At a time when governments were aggressively pushing for austerity policies, implementing severe cuts to social services like health and education, and making moves to liberalize the labor market, the gig economy promised workers autonomy, but instead— sorry, but instead institutionalized precarious, insecure, and underpaid work.

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02:33:05.521 --> 02:33:11.075
<v Ben Gilbert>For corporations, this became an opportunity to circumvent hard-earned rights of workers to maximize profits.

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02:33:11.782 --> 02:33:15.395
<v Ben Gilbert>Workers are resisting this naked exploitation and degradation of their rights.

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02:33:15.797 --> 02:33:18.059
<v Ben Gilbert>The drivers union is one way workers are fighting back.

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<v Ben Gilbert>It is encouraging that council is recognizing this problem and taking action, however small that action is.

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02:33:23.985 --> 02:33:35.144
<v Ben Gilbert>Platform workers in Portland deserve fair pay, protection from unfair deactivations, transparency for drivers and their riders, and inclusion in public benefits like workers' compensation, paid family medical leave, and more.

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<v Ben Gilbert>Thank you.

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02:33:36.588 --> 02:33:37.375
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thanks a lot, Ben.

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02:33:39.380 --> 02:33:44.692
<v Jordan Lewis>Uh, Jordan Lewis, um, registered volunteer lobbyist with the Portland Democratic Socialists of America.

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<v Jordan Lewis>Um, I'm here today in support of this ordinance.

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<v Jordan Lewis>I want to congratulate and thank a lot of the rideshare drivers in the area for organizing however possible to them.

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02:33:55.461 --> 02:34:06.584
<v Jordan Lewis>I know that a lot of the legal pathways that other sectors have aren't there for them, so they've really come together and Demanded better, which I think is an awesome thing.

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<v Jordan Lewis>When it comes to transportation services like this, it ends up being exploitation.

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02:34:13.681 --> 02:34:22.493
<v Jordan Lewis>Like, the business model for a lot of these companies is human labor, and they end up trying to crunch as many labor hours through as few people as possible.

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02:34:23.108 --> 02:34:27.588
<v Jordan Lewis>And that's why taxi companies traditionally had unions.

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02:34:27.654 --> 02:34:30.760
<v Jordan Lewis>That's why transit agencies have unions.

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02:34:30.808 --> 02:34:33.489
<v Jordan Lewis>That's why postal delivery services have unions.

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02:34:33.604 --> 02:34:33.703
<v Jordan Lewis>Yeah.

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02:34:34.595 --> 02:34:36.938
<v Jordan Lewis>And this is an awesome first step.

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02:34:37.082 --> 02:34:39.263
<v Jordan Lewis>And I think I've listened to, I've heard their testimony.

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02:34:39.359 --> 02:34:42.469
<v Jordan Lewis>It's very clear why this Driver Resource Center is so important.

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02:34:43.496 --> 02:34:48.451
<v Jordan Lewis>And it's great that the Driver Resource Center is paid for without raising rates.

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02:34:48.645 --> 02:34:49.912
<v Jordan Lewis>That's really cool.

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02:34:50.729 --> 02:34:55.011
<v Jordan Lewis>But this hopefully is just the start and we need to see even more.

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02:34:55.363 --> 02:35:00.127
<v Jordan Lewis>And I think everyone should have a dignified life and— Thank you.

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02:35:01.231 --> 02:35:03.915
<v Jordan Lewis>Control over their labor, and they should be rewarded justly for it.

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02:35:04.043 --> 02:35:07.899
<v Jordan Lewis>So hopefully we can go even further than this, but who knows what that'll look like.

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02:35:08.445 --> 02:35:08.638
<v Jordan Lewis>Thank you.

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02:35:09.490 --> 02:35:10.148
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1453
02:35:11.799 --> 02:35:12.885
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, as I mentioned, we have, uh, we were going to hear testimony, and then I'm going to be continuing this item to, uh, next week's calendar, our next week's agenda.

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02:35:26.266 --> 02:35:32.183
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we'll work with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney on some of that last tightening that needs to happen.

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02:35:32.295 --> 02:35:39.349
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I am moving this— I am continuing item number 9 to future agenda.

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02:35:40.390 --> 02:35:44.688
<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan— I'm sorry, Rebecca, can we please call items 10 and 11 again?

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02:35:46.147 --> 02:36:06.763
<v Keelan McClymont>Item 10, amend the FY 2026-27 budget to appropriate $7,150,007 in Portland Clean Energy Fund Interest income and other fund resources to restore frontline positions and services reduced in the approved budget and to provide transition support for affected employees, document number 2026-222.

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02:36:07.340 --> 02:36:17.550
<v Keelan McClymont>Item 11, adopt a supplemental budget for FY 2026-27 to reduce potential risks to city services, document number 2026-223.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is the continued first reading of both of these ordinances.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have— we took votes on the pre-filed amendments yesterday and carried these items over in order to allow additional time for public debate of the underlying ordinances this afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>As I said earlier, reasonable time has already been provided for these items, and I do intend to move them to second reading today before adjournment.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, to further discussion, go ahead and hop into the queue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

1465
02:36:50.336 --> 02:36:51.280
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, sorry, apologies.

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02:36:53.166 --> 02:36:56.679
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great, we'll give it a second.

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02:37:01.138 --> 02:37:03.233
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I have both of the ordinances open at the same time.

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02:37:03.281 --> 02:37:04.069
<v Jamie Dunphy>We can talk about either.

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02:37:04.649 --> 02:37:06.325
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, yes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Murillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Um, thank you, colleagues.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think yesterday's discussion, I think, was a healthy one, actually.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that upon hearing everything that folks had been saying yesterday, I worked with my team overnight, and I think that there are more spaces where we are able to come to a compromise based on some of the things that people said were their stated interests.

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02:37:33.568 --> 02:37:39.022
<v Angelita Morillo>So I'm sorry, I'm waiting for my team to send the clerk some written amendments.

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02:37:39.135 --> 02:37:39.183
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay.

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02:37:39.391 --> 02:37:42.291
<v Angelita Morillo>So that should be coming in shortly and to the council offices as well.

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02:37:42.388 --> 02:37:43.300
<v Angelita Morillo>So check your inbox.

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02:37:43.861 --> 02:37:48.958
<v Angelita Morillo>And I will also have a brief presentation just to go over what the new amendment will do.

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02:37:49.710 --> 02:37:55.656
<v Angelita Morillo>I'll be honest, I think that this is a little bit of a tough amendment for some of us up here to stomach.

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02:37:56.057 --> 02:38:01.040
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not something that we necessarily wanted to bring forward at all if we didn't have to.

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02:38:01.665 --> 02:38:05.558
<v Angelita Morillo>But I understand that we're in a season where compromise is really necessary.

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02:38:05.622 --> 02:38:05.799
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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02:38:06.248 --> 02:38:09.427
<v Angelita Morillo>So I see the amendment language was just sent.

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02:38:10.005 --> 02:38:19.029
<v Angelita Morillo>If folks want to take a moment to review it, this is going to be an amendment for our ordinance, the one that we brought forward, not the other one.

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02:38:19.703 --> 02:38:27.459
<v Angelita Morillo>And part of that is because I think that the revenue source in our ordinance is a bit more stable than the one brought in the other one.

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02:38:27.522 --> 02:38:34.362
<v Angelita Morillo>So that's why it's an amendment to our ordinance, in the hopes that maybe this change will get some other folks on board.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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02:38:37.968 --> 02:38:43.167
<v Angelita Morillo>And I'm just checking with my team to see where things are at, but feel free to pull up the amendment language and review it now for a moment if you'd like.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I have not— I have not received it yet.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It was sent to council.

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02:38:51.271 --> 02:38:52.953
<v Angelita Morillo>It was emailed to everybody, I believe.

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02:38:53.676 --> 02:38:54.808
<v Angelita Morillo>Oh, it was sent to the council clerk.

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02:38:54.889 --> 02:38:55.084
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay.

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02:38:55.245 --> 02:39:00.875
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, team, if you're watching this, if you can just email it to the council offices to make it easy for everyone, that would be great.

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02:39:01.250 --> 02:39:01.362
<v Jamie Dunphy>Great.

1496
02:39:01.442 --> 02:39:04.189
<v Jamie Dunphy>And if possible, also maybe some printed copies would be nice.

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02:39:04.495 --> 02:39:07.693
<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, should we take a recess for a brief moment to get that, or—.

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02:39:09.261 --> 02:39:11.617
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, Council Clerk, do you have the presentation up?

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02:39:12.770 --> 02:39:14.280
<v Angelita Morillo>Are you able to share that?

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<v Keelan McClymont>The presentation is up.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I'm happy to go through that.

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02:39:32.719 --> 02:39:40.436
<v Angelita Morillo>And I would also request that my team just sent a written copy of the amendments to all of the council offices as well.

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02:39:41.032 --> 02:39:43.064
<v Angelita Morillo>But this presentation, I'll go through it briefly.

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02:39:43.306 --> 02:39:45.369
<v Angelita Morillo>It will go over what's in the language anyways.

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02:39:46.476 --> 02:39:48.028
<v Angelita Morillo>If that's— may I, Council President?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Go right ahead.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay, next slide, please.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So this amendment is going to fund 55 positions, and many of them were found in the other ordinance as well.

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02:40:00.629 --> 02:40:04.556
<v Angelita Morillo>So I think that there was a lot of shared values in what was being brought forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The positions that we're saving are going to be in parks, transportation, water, environmental services, fire, 311, and the police bureau's unarmed responders, PPB, PASS, and desk clerks, and the Office of Equity and Human Rights.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Along with BHR.

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<v Angelita Morillo>This restores the 24/7 fire and rescue vehicles, and it funds the $3 million in the PBB training for EMS, which I know was something that folks for the other ordinance were really prioritizing.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So that's something that we're bringing forward.

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02:40:40.290 --> 02:40:45.518
<v Angelita Morillo>The— we also are changing it to include the BLT reserve, which was something that was thank you.

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02:40:45.582 --> 02:40:51.897
<v Angelita Morillo>I know that, as indicated by some of our other colleagues, that was a concern before, so we wanted to make sure that that was included as well.

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<v Angelita Morillo>This continues to include the healthcare through August for the over 200 employees whose jobs were cut in the mayor's budget, and it directs the city administrator to deliver a service impact analysis for the positions restored in this package to understand the impact of the loss of these positions if not preserved beyond the 2026-27 fiscal year.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The city did not conduct this analysis before eliminating all of these 200 positions in the mayor's budget, so we thought it was important to include that as part of fiscal responsibility.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

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<v Angelita Morillo>This is going to be funded by appropriating— the full package amendment appropriates around $18 million in 3 broad parts.

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<v Angelita Morillo>It restores 55 jobs in city services.

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<v Angelita Morillo>You can go through that list there if you'd like.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And it has a transition to support affected employees as well who are going to be losing their jobs, as well as a restoration of the BLT reserves out of PSF interest.

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02:41:57.270 --> 02:41:57.972
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The reason I think that, you know, there are a lot of us up here who have this is not easy for any of us up here, and many of us are not interested in using even PSF interest to fund some of the things that have come forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I want to state very clearly that this is a sacrifice for everybody involved in a lot of different ways.

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<v Angelita Morillo>The reason we chose PSF interest is because it is a one-time stable funding source that already exists.

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<v Angelita Morillo>And we just found out this morning as well that now PSF interest has $27 million available to be appropriated, which is 2 times $2 million more than was originally budgeted.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Our ordinance uses about half of that already accrued total, and our source does not require backfill, unlike the other ordinance.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So it's just a more stable funding source, and I think that's really important to talk about.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Our proposed use is transparent and clearly defined.

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<v Angelita Morillo>If we don't put the PCF interest towards this ordinance, that PCF interest just goes back into the general fund, and it's a We have no idea what it actually gets used for specifically.

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02:43:03.497 --> 02:43:07.398
<v Angelita Morillo>This actually tells us and the public what it's going to be used for.

1534
02:43:07.915 --> 02:43:08.542
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

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02:43:11.656 --> 02:43:33.325
<v Angelita Morillo>To me, this is my final stand for a compromise with this council, and I think that it's really important because it restores key city positions and services, includes PS3s, desk clerks, the 3 critical fire rescue units, And every position that's included in the Save Our Services, Councilor Clark's ordinance.

1536
02:43:33.790 --> 02:43:42.397
<v Angelita Morillo>It requires that the administration consult labor unions and frontline staff for position impacts to ensure that this isn't just a delay of cuts that the mayor wants.

1537
02:43:42.959 --> 02:43:44.566
<v Angelita Morillo>It provides transition support.

1538
02:43:45.385 --> 02:43:50.315
<v Angelita Morillo>It protects the BLT without prioritizing that reserve over restoration of core positions.

1539
02:43:51.054 --> 02:43:54.441
<v Angelita Morillo>It does fund the police training, and I think for a lot of us, Yes.

1540
02:43:54.906 --> 02:44:09.404
<v Angelita Morillo>We didn't think that adding police training was a priority when we wanted to save actual positions, but because we heard so strongly from all of you that that was a priority, this is something that I'm really trying to compromise on, even though I don't necessarily agree with it.

1541
02:44:09.500 --> 02:44:10.156
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm trying here.

1542
02:44:10.638 --> 02:44:20.709
<v Angelita Morillo>So this also maintains our parks levy promise by funding the parks positions that the mayor cut, and it doesn't keep— spend down the city's rainy day fund, the general fund.

1543
02:44:20.822 --> 02:44:23.293
<v Angelita Morillo>Fund reserve in the hopes that we can backfill it later.

1544
02:44:24.259 --> 02:44:24.962
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

1545
02:44:28.444 --> 02:44:35.466
<v Angelita Morillo>I think it's really important that when we told voters that they need to help us with the parks levy, that we fulfill our promise to them.

1546
02:44:36.077 --> 02:44:40.744
<v Angelita Morillo>And so this restores the 14 parks positions and some park services that the mayor cut.

1547
02:44:41.406 --> 02:44:47.489
<v Angelita Morillo>It ensures that community gardens are maintaining current service levels and prevents increased fees to them.

1548
02:44:47.944 --> 02:44:54.308
<v Angelita Morillo>It prevents extended closures of community centers, pools, restrooms, event spaces, and canceled or disrupted events.

1549
02:44:55.105 --> 02:45:00.574
<v Angelita Morillo>It keeps the really critical senior center project by preserving equity in our service offerings.

1550
02:45:00.686 --> 02:45:07.441
<v Angelita Morillo>And that was something we heard a lot during our town halls and how important that was for our seniors who don't have a lot of other spaces to be connected.

1551
02:45:08.185 --> 02:45:13.109
<v Angelita Morillo>It keeps the park— the rec leaders at the Peninsula Park and Charles Jordan for after-school staffing.

1552
02:45:13.630 --> 02:45:16.245
<v Angelita Morillo>And we know that childcare is a really big issue in our city right now.

1553
02:45:16.326 --> 02:45:17.722
<v Angelita Morillo>It's extremely expensive.

1554
02:45:18.340 --> 02:45:23.727
<v Angelita Morillo>And it keeps the Parks Community Engagement Coordinator who coordinates with 40 community groups.

1555
02:45:24.361 --> 02:45:24.996
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

1556
02:45:30.224 --> 02:45:37.240
<v Angelita Morillo>Here is a chart that shows what the difference would be if you'd like to take a closer look at it, or if anyone in the audience wants to as well.

1557
02:45:37.322 --> 02:45:40.143
<v Angelita Morillo>We'll get it posted to the website soon so folks can take a look at that chart.

1558
02:45:41.559 --> 02:45:49.764
<v Angelita Morillo>But the Save Our Services amendment and— or ordinance and the other one have different funding sources, but the spending is actually fairly similar.

1559
02:45:49.828 --> 02:45:52.301
<v Angelita Morillo>I think we have similar goals in what we're trying to save.

1560
02:45:52.671 --> 02:46:05.227
<v Angelita Morillo>So both are willing to spend the same total amount, including transition support for impacted employees, and both ordinances spend about the same on actual police positions, but the Clark ordinance adds $3 million of training on top.

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02:46:05.275 --> 02:46:05.516
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

1562
02:46:05.987 --> 02:46:06.700
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide, please.

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02:46:09.149 --> 02:46:24.443
<v Angelita Morillo>So we tried to take what was in the Clark ordinance and included the $3 million in PPV training and $1.7 million for the BLT reserve and $1 million for positions included in the Clark ordinance, but not— that were not previously in our ordinance.

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02:46:25.670 --> 02:46:26.075
<v Angelita Morillo>Next slide.

1565
02:46:26.725 --> 02:46:27.843
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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02:46:31.615 --> 02:46:34.503
<v Angelita Morillo>And that is the summary that I have for you guys today.

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02:46:34.744 --> 02:46:44.913
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm looking forward to this discussion, and I really hope that we can come to a compromise today because I think that we really took your feedback seriously on all the things that we've heard in the last few days.

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02:46:45.329 --> 02:46:51.007
<v Angelita Morillo>You should have the amendment language in your inbox if you want to take a look at it directly, and it will be posted soon.

1569
02:46:52.163 --> 02:46:59.252
<v Angelita Morillo>And again, I want to reiterate, these are very difficult choices for us as we all have a lot of different groups that we are responsible to.

1570
02:46:59.333 --> 02:46:59.588
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

1571
02:46:59.925 --> 02:47:06.959
<v Angelita Morillo>And community advocates that are passionate about these issues, both with PSF dollars and with police training and that type of thing.

1572
02:47:07.457 --> 02:47:14.860
<v Angelita Morillo>But we are really trying to do our due diligence and work as the legislative body was intended to work under the new form of government.

1573
02:47:14.907 --> 02:47:19.539
<v Angelita Morillo>So I hope that you will take this in good faith and really consider it as we have this discussion.

1574
02:47:20.516 --> 02:47:20.772
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1575
02:47:21.013 --> 02:47:21.879
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

1576
02:47:22.119 --> 02:47:24.715
<v Jamie Dunphy>And are you formally moving, uh, this memo?

1577
02:47:25.020 --> 02:47:26.060
<v Angelita Morillo>Oh yeah, I should do that, huh?

1578
02:47:26.691 --> 02:47:28.569
<v Angelita Morillo>I would like to move this amendment forward.

1579
02:47:28.893 --> 02:47:29.395
<v Ben Gilbert>Second.

1580
02:47:29.945 --> 02:47:32.584
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo moves— is it Morillo 1, I suppose?

1581
02:47:32.779 --> 02:47:35.061
<v Jamie Dunphy>And then, uh, Councilor Green seconds.

1582
02:47:35.207 --> 02:47:37.147
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, discussion of the amendment?

1583
02:47:37.779 --> 02:47:38.441
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1584
02:47:41.433 --> 02:47:44.539
<v Steve Novick>So I said last night I'm not voting for any more amendments.

1585
02:47:44.829 --> 02:47:53.609
<v Steve Novick>I voted for an amendment that was a linguistic change that had no substantive effect, but I frankly am not interested in negotiating with Councilor Morillo.

1586
02:47:54.156 --> 02:48:03.829
<v Steve Novick>A few weeks ago, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I tried to negotiate with Councilor Rio and her fellow peacocks, and part of the negotiation was they said they had a red line— no money for police training.

1587
02:48:04.200 --> 02:48:12.195
<v Steve Novick>The peacocks had a strong position that they want poorly trained police, and then they walked away from the table, and Councilor Rio kept on publicly accusing us of walking over the table.

1588
02:48:12.681 --> 02:48:18.208
<v Steve Novick>So then Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I came up with a solid, responsible package with Councilor Smith.

1589
02:48:18.968 --> 02:48:19.084
<v Steve Novick>Hmm.

1590
02:48:19.406 --> 02:48:20.695
<v Steve Novick>And Councilor Clark.

1591
02:48:20.936 --> 02:48:28.673
<v Steve Novick>So I am sticking with that solid, responsible package, and I have to say that I do not really regard this as a true effort at compromise.

1592
02:48:29.036 --> 02:48:30.719
<v Steve Novick>I regard it as a desperate effort to save face.

1593
02:48:33.173 --> 02:48:34.141
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1594
02:48:34.384 --> 02:48:34.933
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1595
02:48:39.566 --> 02:48:42.093
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1596
02:48:42.738 --> 02:48:45.852
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, Councilor Morillo.

1597
02:48:48.406 --> 02:48:56.908
<v Loretta Smith>You did an excellent job of putting up, you know, the differences and what the similarities were, which really made it easy.

1598
02:48:57.977 --> 02:49:06.639
<v Loretta Smith>And I am— I'm sitting here, I'm shocked that you put the police training in there because that's so important.

1599
02:49:07.834 --> 02:49:10.398
<v Loretta Smith>And I think you did make a good faith effort.

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02:49:11.728 --> 02:49:17.039
<v Loretta Smith>This is amazing and outstanding what you written, and I, I like it.

1601
02:49:17.847 --> 02:49:19.361
<v Loretta Smith>So thank you for doing that.

1602
02:49:19.925 --> 02:49:32.422
<v Loretta Smith>I think that our constituents, they want us to do something in the gridlock that we have as a result of having an even-numbered council.

1603
02:49:33.292 --> 02:49:41.125
<v Loretta Smith>But you did make a, a really good effort of, um, bringing some of the things that we wanted.

1604
02:49:41.952 --> 02:49:43.805
<v Loretta Smith>How'd you do that within 24 hours?

1605
02:49:45.226 --> 02:49:46.619
<v Loretta Smith>You did a great job.

1606
02:49:47.438 --> 02:49:47.847
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1607
02:49:47.995 --> 02:49:48.995
<v Loretta Smith>I, I, I like it.

1608
02:49:50.770 --> 02:49:51.984
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1609
02:49:52.664 --> 02:49:53.360
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1610
02:49:54.591 --> 02:49:55.659
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1611
02:49:57.105 --> 02:49:58.882
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, 2 questions.

1612
02:49:58.997 --> 02:50:01.247
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We ran through those slides kind of quickly.

1613
02:50:02.120 --> 02:50:06.945
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The first is, can you speak to the funding sources?

1614
02:50:07.203 --> 02:50:13.459
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is it— is the complete funding coming from PSF interest, or are there additional funding sources?

1615
02:50:13.524 --> 02:50:15.404
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It wasn't really clear in the presentation.

1616
02:50:15.468 --> 02:50:19.533
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There were pullouts of some numbers, but not all pieces of it there.

1617
02:50:23.442 --> 02:50:30.075
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, let me pull up the language, but it's all PSF and bureau contingencies where appropriate for those funds.

1618
02:50:31.888 --> 02:50:32.760
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So, yeah.

1619
02:50:33.566 --> 02:50:55.391
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So when you say bureau contingency is appropriate for those funds, does that mean that for positions that are in non-general fund bureaus, the funding is coming from their contingency funds, but for positions that are general fund positions, it's coming from the Clean Energy Fund interest account, or is the breakdown different from that?

1620
02:50:56.253 --> 02:50:57.299
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, you are correct.

1621
02:50:57.443 --> 02:51:03.369
<v Angelita Morillo>And if we want to share slide 3, that has that outlined as well, if it helps to look at it at the same time.

1622
02:51:03.754 --> 02:51:04.720
<v Angelita Morillo>Sorry, I went through it quickly.

1623
02:51:04.770 --> 02:51:06.111
<v Angelita Morillo>I was trying to preserve our time for discussion.

1624
02:51:10.831 --> 02:51:11.898
<v Angelita Morillo>Are you getting that back up?

1625
02:51:21.458 --> 02:51:28.592
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I'm seeing $13 million total cost, just under $9 million from PSEF.

1626
02:51:28.672 --> 02:51:38.027
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Does that mean that I should assume that the additional $4 million is from contingency or reserve funds within those non-general fund bureaus?

1627
02:51:41.356 --> 02:51:42.781
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm sorry, can you repeat your question?

1628
02:51:43.961 --> 02:51:52.893
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I see $13 million total, just under $9 million in interest From PSF, and that's the, the next years of interest, the interest that's just being certified.

1629
02:51:53.551 --> 02:51:59.882
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then is the additional $4 million from contingency and reserve funds within other funded bureaus?

1630
02:52:00.862 --> 02:52:01.040
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

1631
02:52:01.585 --> 02:52:03.000
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's the number that's missing here.

1632
02:52:03.209 --> 02:52:03.450
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

1633
02:52:03.530 --> 02:52:16.188
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And do we have information on whether that's coming from contingencies or reserves and what that bucket of money that's coming from other bureaus was otherwise set aside for?

1634
02:52:18.559 --> 02:52:20.915
<v Angelita Morillo>Let me see if we have that breakdown and if I can give that to you.

1635
02:52:21.399 --> 02:52:21.721
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

1636
02:52:22.368 --> 02:52:28.829
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It would be good to understand what bureaus those are coming from, how much is coming from each bureau, and what it was otherwise set aside for.

1637
02:52:29.585 --> 02:52:33.554
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm also wondering, this is pretty expansive.

1638
02:52:33.959 --> 02:52:36.860
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Has it been through budget review?

1639
02:52:36.957 --> 02:52:43.531
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do we know that the numbers add up and work and all of the i's have been dotted and t's have been crossed?

1640
02:52:44.417 --> 02:52:46.608
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, it was, uh, it went through budget review.

1641
02:52:46.753 --> 02:52:49.870
<v Angelita Morillo>We spoke with the budget team and they checked on it all this morning.

1642
02:52:50.308 --> 02:52:51.345
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, and legal review?

1643
02:52:52.724 --> 02:52:54.831
<v Angelita Morillo>Uh, let me confirm with my team, but I believe so.

1644
02:52:55.802 --> 02:52:56.549
<v Angelita Morillo>We do have another week.

1645
02:52:58.862 --> 02:53:05.996
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, I'm looking to our folks in the back of the room and not seeing head nods yes or no from our budget and our legal folks.

1646
02:53:06.575 --> 02:53:11.503
<v Angelita Morillo>Sorry, yes, it was for both budget and legal, and it blends both existing ordinances.

1647
02:53:11.695 --> 02:53:14.746
<v Angelita Morillo>So some of these items were already checked on previously as well.

1648
02:53:15.084 --> 02:53:22.870
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, I hear you and I believe what you're saying, but I'm also seeing heads shaking no from the back of the room.

1649
02:53:24.058 --> 02:53:27.333
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, I don't wanna step on your toes inviting people up.

1650
02:53:27.510 --> 02:53:28.618
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, come on up.

1651
02:53:29.435 --> 02:53:30.174
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, no, come on.

1652
02:53:30.222 --> 02:53:30.849
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, no, no, no.

1653
02:53:31.041 --> 02:53:34.904
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I was saying no to the being— my toes being stepped on.

1654
02:53:34.951 --> 02:53:37.130
<v Jamie Dunphy>Come on up, Heidi.

1655
02:53:37.194 --> 02:53:38.380
<v Jamie Dunphy>You're always welcome at the dais.

1656
02:53:38.878 --> 02:53:39.423
<v Heidi Brown>Thank you.

1657
02:53:40.079 --> 02:53:42.468
<v Heidi Brown>Good afternoon, Council President, councilors.

1658
02:53:42.579 --> 02:53:44.870
<v Heidi Brown>My name is Heidi Brown, for the record, and Council Vice President.

1659
02:53:44.918 --> 02:53:45.784
<v Heidi Brown>Sorry to leave you out.

1660
02:53:46.585 --> 02:53:48.717
<v Heidi Brown>Heidi Brown, Chief Deputy with City Attorney's Office.

1661
02:53:49.807 --> 02:53:52.163
<v Heidi Brown>So we had advised on an earlier version.

1662
02:53:52.354 --> 02:53:54.198
<v Heidi Brown>I haven't reviewed this one yet.

1663
02:53:54.278 --> 02:53:57.745
<v Heidi Brown>We were just in the back with Director Levine Kind of going through it together.

1664
02:53:58.227 --> 02:54:03.590
<v Heidi Brown>So apologies, but we had reviewed an earlier one and that might be what Councilor Merlo was thinking of.

1665
02:54:03.992 --> 02:54:07.530
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, but we still need to get the thumbs up from you all on this version.

1666
02:54:07.727 --> 02:54:10.208
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And does this have the thumbs up from budget that it works?

1667
02:54:13.971 --> 02:54:15.977
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome up, Budget Director Levine.

1668
02:54:18.754 --> 02:54:20.837
<v Jamie Dunphy>I appreciate that you both coordinated stripes.

1669
02:54:22.389 --> 02:54:24.141
<v Heidi Brown>It was well planned out this morning.

1670
02:54:25.719 --> 02:54:27.988
<v Candace Avalos>Hi, sorry, Ruth Levine for the record, budget director.

1671
02:54:29.680 --> 02:54:38.974
<v Candace Avalos>Owen did look at it this morning, and I'm just— I just relooked at it now and have one outstanding question.

1672
02:54:39.183 --> 02:54:41.940
<v Candace Avalos>But other than that outstanding question, it's good.

1673
02:54:43.603 --> 02:54:44.363
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, great.

1674
02:54:44.574 --> 02:54:46.012
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you guys for those responses.

1675
02:54:46.190 --> 02:54:54.254
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I will look forward to hearing from legal and hearing more about that one outstanding question once you both have time to loop back with the sponsors.

1676
02:54:55.760 --> 02:54:55.987
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1677
02:54:56.425 --> 02:54:59.088
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, we're all just seeing this.

1678
02:54:59.251 --> 02:55:02.888
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I look forward to hearing the thoughts from my colleagues.

1679
02:55:02.985 --> 02:55:09.594
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I will say I am a little shocked by the extent of the price tag on it, to be honest.

1680
02:55:11.059 --> 02:55:11.431
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1681
02:55:11.948 --> 02:55:12.963
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1682
02:55:13.884 --> 02:55:14.658
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

1683
02:55:16.826 --> 02:55:17.897
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

1684
02:55:19.100 --> 02:55:23.825
<v Mitch Green>Councilor Morillo, I appreciate your willingness to— I know this is a tough move for you.

1685
02:55:25.316 --> 02:55:31.595
<v Mitch Green>It's a difficult thing to take a firm, hard line on saying, I don't want to spend this money on that specific use.

1686
02:55:32.319 --> 02:55:44.558
<v Mitch Green>But I think— and I'm speaking for myself, I don't want to speak for where you're at, but this has been over a month now of a conversation around how do we protect certain funds and protect certain values.

1687
02:55:45.314 --> 02:55:54.509
<v Mitch Green>And so this is a nimble way to, I think, address some of the— where we left it yesterday and say, let's focus on the jobs being restored.

1688
02:55:55.058 --> 02:56:02.915
<v Mitch Green>Let's focus on making sure that we're consistent with our source of funds and how we can just close the chapter on this stage.

1689
02:56:02.979 --> 02:56:08.542
<v Mitch Green>And so, you know, I mean, I think I had similar conversations with you, Councilor Smith.

1690
02:56:08.881 --> 02:56:10.951
<v Mitch Green>I had reservations not long ago on funding the training.

1691
02:56:11.004 --> 02:56:11.143
<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

1692
02:56:12.228 --> 02:56:22.679
<v Mitch Green>And so if that's what it takes to move it off of that other funding mechanism that we had problems with, that I had problems with yesterday, then I can get there on that today.

1693
02:56:23.144 --> 02:56:34.075
<v Mitch Green>And I think it's really important that we fund these fire trucks and that we fund these workers who've been watching every minute of these proceedings and just get this done so we can close the chapter on this.

1694
02:56:35.022 --> 02:56:36.370
<v Mitch Green>I know that this is one-time money.

1695
02:56:36.708 --> 02:56:51.845
<v Mitch Green>I know that we have work to do, but what this will do is it will give us the opportunity to ordinance does do is it provides a pathway for the city administrator to work with these workers to figure out how we can hit the reset switch a little bit on how to prepare for the next budget so we don't find ourselves left out like that.

1696
02:56:51.926 --> 02:56:54.706
<v Mitch Green>And so I think that's a big opportunity for us in the city.

1697
02:56:56.197 --> 02:56:57.790
<v Mitch Green>Colleagues, I hope we can pass this amendment.

1698
02:56:57.840 --> 02:57:11.720
<v Mitch Green>I know that there's still some outstanding kind of pieces to get knitted together, but if we pass this amendment, then I think we have an opportunity to show Portlanders that we did have some compromise, and we're going to step above individual grievances.

1699
02:57:11.817 --> 02:57:14.724
<v Mitch Green>I know I've felt some kind of feelings through this process, but it's not about me.

1700
02:57:15.525 --> 02:57:16.859
<v Mitch Green>It is about the workers.

1701
02:57:16.970 --> 02:57:17.773
<v Mitch Green>It is about the city.

1702
02:57:18.094 --> 02:57:24.452
<v Mitch Green>And so I will take my lashings probably for funding police training with PCF.

1703
02:57:24.597 --> 02:57:25.159
<v Mitch Green>That's okay.

1704
02:57:25.224 --> 02:57:26.171
<v Mitch Green>I can have that conversation.

1705
02:57:26.684 --> 02:57:29.591
<v Mitch Green>But I would take lashings for another of other choices too.

1706
02:57:29.816 --> 02:57:31.197
<v Mitch Green>And our job is to make tough decisions.

1707
02:57:31.245 --> 02:57:31.356
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1708
02:57:32.579 --> 02:57:37.969
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1709
02:57:37.969 --> 02:57:40.309
<v Mitch Green>Councilor Morillo.

1710
02:57:40.309 --> 02:57:44.489
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you, Council President, and thank you, Councilor Green, for saying that.

1711
02:57:44.489 --> 02:57:44.909
<v Angelita Morillo>I agree.

1712
02:57:44.909 --> 02:57:55.190
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that this was a tough decision for a lot of us for a lot of reasons, both on personal principle and because of the communities that we were sent here to represent and what we're meant to do.

1713
02:57:55.489 --> 02:57:58.149
<v Angelita Morillo>And part of being in elected office is also having to make some tough decisions.

1714
02:57:58.149 --> 02:57:58.430
<v Steve Novick>And I think that this was a tough decision for a lot of us.

1715
02:57:59.041 --> 02:58:14.096
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that this budget has been nothing but tough choices for everybody up here, and especially for our frontline workers who have been sort of being treated like a yo-yo and being told maybe we'll save your jobs, maybe we won't, and the long-term impacts that that's been having on people.

1716
02:58:17.264 --> 02:58:30.939
<v Angelita Morillo>I wanted to assert again that this has been through review with Owen, and we are waiting for Final legal review, but I also want to say that this is a blend of the 2 ordinances that already went through legal review.

1717
02:58:31.391 --> 02:58:35.904
<v Angelita Morillo>So I don't suspect that this is going to be drastically different than anything that we've already seen.

1718
02:58:38.079 --> 02:58:48.867
<v Angelita Morillo>And that, you know, moving forward, that we're going to have to really commit to working with a lot of these different groups that we have ignored when making these decisions.

1719
02:58:48.916 --> 02:58:49.216
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1720
02:58:49.914 --> 02:58:55.341
<v Angelita Morillo>The— to me, part of the reason I brought this forward was because of 2 reasons.

1721
02:58:55.998 --> 02:59:00.558
<v Angelita Morillo>The OCPA is something that I think really needs to be protected.

1722
02:59:01.234 --> 02:59:05.376
<v Angelita Morillo>It passed with 82% of the vote, which is unheard of for a ballot measure.

1723
02:59:06.114 --> 02:59:16.805
<v Angelita Morillo>And after the testimony from Tim Pitts yesterday and a lot of what we heard from Leroy Haynes as well, I was really concerned.

1724
02:59:17.190 --> 02:59:23.554
<v Angelita Morillo>I mean, I have been concerned, but I think hearing that solidified the impact that this will have on the Police Accountability Board.

1725
02:59:24.340 --> 02:59:37.325
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think with everything that we're seeing across the country, we can't send a message that we are going to take money away from something that uplifts police accountability to give to police when we have alternatives that make more sense.

1726
02:59:38.191 --> 02:59:49.073
<v Angelita Morillo>PSF interest right now, Always goes to the general fund, and maybe there are discussions to be had about that moving forward, but that is the standard practice right now.

1727
02:59:49.843 --> 02:59:58.481
<v Angelita Morillo>And so because that is the practice right now, this is a stable one-time revenue source to fund this, and that is why I made that tough decision.

1728
02:59:59.156 --> 03:00:05.963
<v Angelita Morillo>I don't even like it, but I'm bringing it forward because I really hope that we can, we can do that today.

1729
03:00:06.013 --> 03:00:06.204
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1730
03:00:06.861 --> 03:00:10.525
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, and so thanks for hearing me out and for considering.

1731
03:00:10.702 --> 03:00:13.290
<v Angelita Morillo>I appreciate that people are even taking time to consider it.

1732
03:00:13.370 --> 03:00:15.862
<v Angelita Morillo>It does mean a lot, um, after a hard week.

1733
03:00:15.959 --> 03:00:16.752
<v Angelita Morillo>So thanks.

1734
03:00:18.127 --> 03:00:18.918
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Murillo.

1735
03:00:19.663 --> 03:00:20.197
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1736
03:00:21.846 --> 03:00:22.251
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1737
03:00:22.316 --> 03:00:24.046
<v Loretta Smith>I just kind of want to go over something.

1738
03:00:24.143 --> 03:00:45.156
<v Loretta Smith>So yesterday we approved amendment that, um, changed the language of where we took our money originally from from OCPA, and it, it, it, it— with the new amended version of our ordinance, it, um, will take money from unknown bureaus, right?

1739
03:00:45.719 --> 03:00:47.379
<v Loretta Smith>That we don't know who's going to have the underspending.

1740
03:00:48.522 --> 03:00:54.670
<v Loretta Smith>But compare it to this ordinance that identifies specifically where the money comes from.

1741
03:00:55.702 --> 03:00:57.688
<v Loretta Smith>We know exactly where the money's coming from.

1742
03:00:57.736 --> 03:00:57.784
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1743
03:00:58.222 --> 03:01:04.406
<v Loretta Smith>We're not guessing, and we're not, we're not giving our power to a bureau to pick.

1744
03:01:04.566 --> 03:01:07.475
<v Loretta Smith>We are the policymakers, and that's what I like about this.

1745
03:01:07.522 --> 03:01:08.519
<v Loretta Smith>So am I correct on this?

1746
03:01:08.663 --> 03:01:11.056
<v Loretta Smith>Is, is that right, uh, Councilor Morillo?

1747
03:01:11.409 --> 03:01:14.284
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm so sorry, I was trying to get some papers printed for everyone.

1748
03:01:15.264 --> 03:01:16.195
<v Loretta Smith>So the answer is yes.

1749
03:01:16.709 --> 03:01:22.524
<v Loretta Smith>So I just want to make sure, so, so we know that we, we have a clear choice on the one that we approve.

1750
03:01:22.573 --> 03:01:29.229
<v Loretta Smith>And I did not vote for that that amended ordinance, even though I was a sponsor for it, because I didn't like how sloppily it was written.

1751
03:01:29.694 --> 03:01:38.788
<v Loretta Smith>But I want to make sure that the public knows that this is important to know where your money comes from, so you can be really clear.

1752
03:01:39.558 --> 03:01:46.934
<v Loretta Smith>And I don't have any, any problem with the PSF interest because we've been given permission to use the PSF interest, not the PSF principal.

1753
03:01:47.495 --> 03:01:48.924
<v Loretta Smith>And so I'm real good with this.

1754
03:01:48.971 --> 03:01:49.485
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1755
03:01:49.887 --> 03:02:02.471
<v Loretta Smith>I think that people also, also, if they're going to consider this, because I am considering voting for this, that we make this an emergency so we'll know that we can get done with this and move on.

1756
03:02:05.634 --> 03:02:06.439
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1757
03:02:07.209 --> 03:02:07.998
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

1758
03:02:11.945 --> 03:02:28.516
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Um, I wanted to appreciate, um, Councilor Morillo for her work on this and just wanted to confirm which positions, um, looking at the amendment that I was trying to bring between the Senior Center, International Relations, and Ceasefire Coordinator, um, which of those are saved in this.

1759
03:02:33.031 --> 03:02:35.655
<v Angelita Morillo>The Senior Center project is saved in this.

1760
03:02:36.009 --> 03:02:38.134
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, unfortunately, the other parts are not.

1761
03:02:39.245 --> 03:02:39.664
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1762
03:02:40.033 --> 03:02:47.608
<v Angelita Morillo>But yeah, you know, yesterday went the way it did, so at least we're going to get one of them Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

1763
03:02:48.244 --> 03:02:53.498
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1764
03:02:53.578 --> 03:03:01.581
<v Steve Novick>So Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I a few weeks ago said that we were open to using PSF interest as a funding source.

1765
03:03:02.422 --> 03:03:11.104
<v Steve Novick>Um, what I did not want to do is be fiscally responsible and dig too far into any source of money that we can help Balance next year's budget.

1766
03:03:11.728 --> 03:03:21.007
<v Steve Novick>So the difference between our, our proposal was limited to $10 million, which I thought was within the realm of responsibility.

1767
03:03:21.521 --> 03:03:23.299
<v Steve Novick>This is significantly more than that.

1768
03:03:23.507 --> 03:03:26.536
<v Steve Novick>This, I believe, is about $13 million in general fund.

1769
03:03:27.209 --> 03:03:33.619
<v Steve Novick>So that's more money that will not be available to balance next year's budget, and next year's budget is going to be a bear.

1770
03:03:33.843 --> 03:03:33.940
<v Marty Kehoe>Right.

1771
03:03:34.596 --> 03:03:39.958
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1772
03:03:40.360 --> 03:03:41.290
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1773
03:03:42.126 --> 03:03:43.154
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1774
03:03:43.250 --> 03:03:44.566
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sorry to be back in the queue.

1775
03:03:44.614 --> 03:03:46.975
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was still processing all of this the first time.

1776
03:03:48.388 --> 03:03:57.186
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I appreciate Councilor Novick's introduction to what I was going to say, which is that this appears to me to be a combination of just about everything.

1777
03:03:57.781 --> 03:04:00.638
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Again, we're choosing not to make cuts, but we're also not making increases.

1778
03:04:00.816 --> 03:04:04.011
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're abdicating our responsibility to make hard decisions.

1779
03:04:04.186 --> 03:04:09.180
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to be clear, I don't want to make any of these cuts.

1780
03:04:09.582 --> 03:04:11.909
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't want to cut a single job.

1781
03:04:12.952 --> 03:04:22.505
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I also don't want to be staring down $20 million in additional positions that were funded with one-time funding that we have no plan to address next year.

1782
03:04:23.773 --> 03:04:25.476
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to be clear about something.

1783
03:04:25.540 --> 03:04:34.174
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When we take funding that in the previous course of how we fund things would have been available for next year.

1784
03:04:35.010 --> 03:04:42.682
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>All of the funding that we're talking about is funding that in the normal course of things we would have used at the end of this year and going into next year.

1785
03:04:44.030 --> 03:04:46.388
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's the case for all of these funding sources.

1786
03:04:47.449 --> 03:04:58.805
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>When we take that funding and we spend $5 million extra using those funds this year, that doubles in terms of our cuts next year.

1787
03:04:59.256 --> 03:05:13.933
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We have the $5 million in positions that we funded this year that we don't have funding for next year, and we're in a $5 million deficit compared to where we otherwise would've been, where we would've been in the normal course of business going into next year.

1788
03:05:14.683 --> 03:05:17.327
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So that $5 million in additional this year becomes $10 million.

1789
03:05:18.548 --> 03:06:04.184
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So when I've talked about, and when Councilor Novick has talked about, wanting to make sure that we are capping how much we spend, that we are addressing the immediate life safety needs, that we are addressing the positions that labor raised as red flag positions that we know absolutely should not have been cut, when we say yes, we want to restore all of the other things because Portlanders deserve those services, and because we should know the position and the name of every person cut in a budget, because we should never take that lightly— not this year, not any year— when we say that and say we should be careful, it's not because we don't take that lightly.

1790
03:06:05.432 --> 03:06:13.931
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's because by expanding this from $10 million to $20 million We don't expand our cuts next year by 10.

1791
03:06:14.513 --> 03:06:17.329
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We expand our cuts next year by 20.

1792
03:06:19.126 --> 03:06:27.251
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's not something that I take lightly, and I am concerned by the extent of this.

1793
03:06:27.524 --> 03:06:34.978
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Again, not because there's anything here that I want to cut or think we should cut or think we ideally would cut or that I take lightly.

1794
03:06:36.625 --> 03:06:50.496
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But because that cut doubles in terms of its impact in the next budget, since we are in any of these proposals drawing on funds that would otherwise be available at the end of the year and the start of next year.

1795
03:06:50.994 --> 03:06:51.907
<v Loretta Smith>And we have debt service dropping.

1796
03:06:52.020 --> 03:06:52.646
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1797
03:06:53.047 --> 03:06:54.890
<v Loretta Smith>We have debt service dropping, Councilor.

1798
03:06:56.110 --> 03:06:56.365
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor—.

1799
03:06:56.365 --> 03:06:56.782
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm sorry.

1800
03:06:57.311 --> 03:06:58.531
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney has been recognized right now.

1801
03:06:58.594 --> 03:07:01.225
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I had the floor there still, and so I will just respond.

1802
03:07:01.387 --> 03:07:10.722
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would respond to that and say, Councilor, you know quite well that many people up here have ideas of other things that we want to use our debt service for, yourself included with SIP.

1803
03:07:10.804 --> 03:07:15.564
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I don't doubt that we are going to have many plans for those funds.

1804
03:07:21.670 --> 03:07:22.608
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1805
03:07:24.174 --> 03:07:26.808
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor— actually, Councilor Clark has not spoken yet on this.

1806
03:07:27.727 --> 03:07:30.645
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to— oh wait, neither has Kanal.

1807
03:07:30.692 --> 03:07:31.365
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm reading my wrong thing.

1808
03:07:32.296 --> 03:07:36.367
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry, Kanal, Clark, Morillo will have the last word.

1809
03:07:37.842 --> 03:07:38.611
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1810
03:07:39.380 --> 03:07:47.379
<v Sameer Kanal>So speaking to the amendment here, I want to appreciate the conversation that's happened here, and I want to appreciate Councilor Morillo for putting this forward.

1811
03:07:47.924 --> 03:07:53.439
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, I think we're looking at this from a perspective that's been informed by more voices.

1812
03:07:54.096 --> 03:07:56.792
<v Sameer Kanal>And by the way, I've mentioned this before, and I'll mention it again.

1813
03:07:56.906 --> 03:08:06.469
<v Sameer Kanal>There were some people in the room when we originally were discussing this back in the amendment process during the full budget consideration, and it wasn't everybody.

1814
03:08:07.111 --> 03:08:10.530
<v Sameer Kanal>And because of time in the budget process, it couldn't be everybody in public.

1815
03:08:10.577 --> 03:08:13.963
<v Sameer Kanal>So it had to be a few people who went and tried to negotiate a compromise behind.

1816
03:08:14.494 --> 03:08:18.763
<v Sameer Kanal>I think this conversation as a whole is benefiting from having more people involved in it.

1817
03:08:19.291 --> 03:08:20.078
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's also benefiting.

1818
03:08:20.158 --> 03:08:20.318
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1819
03:08:21.154 --> 03:08:22.985
<v Sameer Kanal>This specific amendment proposal.

1820
03:08:23.547 --> 03:08:27.448
<v Sameer Kanal>And I wish we could have done this earlier, but the state has not gotten its act together on public meetings law.

1821
03:08:28.155 --> 03:08:35.557
<v Sameer Kanal>So now that we're here and we're having this conversation, I'm going to speak in support of the amendment as the— as an idea here.

1822
03:08:35.909 --> 03:08:38.271
<v Sameer Kanal>I personally did not have all the same concerns.

1823
03:08:38.318 --> 03:08:39.345
<v Sameer Kanal>I had different preferences.

1824
03:08:39.459 --> 03:08:48.221
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think what my preferences led into was a similar calculation to what Councilor Pearl Guinea made, which is If you can't have everything, where do you spend money?

1825
03:08:49.726 --> 03:08:53.308
<v Sameer Kanal>And you— where— what are the risks that you're putting forward?

1826
03:08:53.372 --> 03:09:03.694
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think we all have different risk tolerance levels individually, and we're coming together to try to figure out what that collaborative endpoint is for our risk tolerance.

1827
03:09:04.049 --> 03:09:13.623
<v Sameer Kanal>I agree with the broad analysis that my colleague Councilor Perugini just made about, you know, you were— we're taking risks and we are pulling money forward in time and it won't be available later.

1828
03:09:13.832 --> 03:09:16.402
<v Sameer Kanal>I think the question has to be, what's the trade-off?

1829
03:09:16.882 --> 03:09:22.890
<v Sameer Kanal>And the trade-off is ideally where the cost is greater than— or sorry, the benefit is greater than the cost.

1830
03:09:22.986 --> 03:09:25.219
<v Sameer Kanal>And if the benefit is less than the cost, then we shouldn't do it.

1831
03:09:26.039 --> 03:09:29.861
<v Sameer Kanal>So all of these meet, um, pose that challenge.

1832
03:09:30.520 --> 03:09:32.110
<v Sameer Kanal>All— every proposal we've had in this.

1833
03:09:32.463 --> 03:09:46.885
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think the idea here is by using a stable named funding source, we are improving improving the, the, um, the process by looking at these particular positions, some of which are really important to some of our colleagues.

1834
03:09:47.478 --> 03:09:52.102
<v Sameer Kanal>We are, um, trying to make this a better proposal on the whole.

1835
03:09:52.536 --> 03:10:02.907
<v Sameer Kanal>Certainly people can look at the 2 proposals, uh, 2 underlying ordinances, but I think as we're talking about the amendment right now, does this make this proposal better?

1836
03:10:02.971 --> 03:10:06.834
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think for many of you it meets the, the specific things you mentioned.

1837
03:10:06.898 --> 03:10:15.648
<v Sameer Kanal>For others, it's maybe not ideal, but it's, it's, I think, an improvement from the perspective of trying to come together.

1838
03:10:16.022 --> 03:10:18.454
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think Portlanders want to see us try to come together.

1839
03:10:19.262 --> 03:10:22.266
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate Councilor Murillo putting up a proposal that does that.

1840
03:10:22.689 --> 03:10:24.102
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1841
03:10:24.459 --> 03:10:25.500
<v Jamie Dunphy>Council Vice President Clark.

1842
03:10:27.370 --> 03:10:28.287
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you, Council President.

1843
03:10:28.958 --> 03:10:30.727
<v Olivia Clark>Boy, isn't this interesting?

1844
03:10:31.311 --> 03:10:33.288
<v Olivia Clark>It, uh, it's quite a surprise.

1845
03:10:33.947 --> 03:10:37.578
<v Olivia Clark>Uh, I appreciate it, at least for the dialogue, if nothing else.

1846
03:10:38.365 --> 03:10:52.971
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I, uh, had been very conservative in my original ordinance, and the suggestion of some of my colleagues, I would have included other things, uh, in the pot, but we kept it to under $10 million.

1847
03:10:54.112 --> 03:11:00.191
<v Olivia Clark>Um, I feel like I haven't really had a chance to digest I don't think it's an emergency.

1848
03:11:00.852 --> 03:11:06.370
<v Olivia Clark>I do think that generally we are kicking the can, and we will have impacts.

1849
03:11:06.581 --> 03:11:08.439
<v Olivia Clark>This will lead to more impacts in the next budget.

1850
03:11:11.110 --> 03:11:16.493
<v Olivia Clark>But I'm interested, kind of interested in keeping it alive and mulling it over for the next week.

1851
03:11:17.340 --> 03:11:21.784
<v Olivia Clark>So I do not want to declare an emergency, with all due respect, Councilor.

1852
03:11:22.336 --> 03:11:22.888
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1853
03:11:24.172 --> 03:11:37.456
<v Olivia Clark>So, um, I'm gonna— I want to think about it for another week, and, uh, I am— I want us to be responsible, and I, I appreciate what you've done here, Councilor Murillo.

1854
03:11:38.148 --> 03:11:40.277
<v Olivia Clark>But let me, let me think about it for another week.

1855
03:11:43.222 --> 03:11:44.375
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Vice President Clark.

1856
03:11:44.941 --> 03:11:46.888
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

1857
03:11:47.763 --> 03:11:54.389
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, thank you everyone for that feedback, and I want to respond to a few things.

1858
03:11:55.065 --> 03:12:02.424
<v Angelita Morillo>I think one thing that someone brought up was our ordinance does include some of the red flag positions that were identified by labor.

1859
03:12:05.503 --> 03:12:11.256
<v Angelita Morillo>And as far as I see it, some of those positions and what we could save was sort of arbitrarily limited.

1860
03:12:11.322 --> 03:12:16.433
<v Angelita Morillo>I didn't really understand or get rationale for why certain numbers were chosen as the limits.

1861
03:12:16.788 --> 03:12:18.805
<v Angelita Morillo>So that's part of what we're trying to address here.

1862
03:12:20.634 --> 03:12:24.811
<v Angelita Morillo>So ours includes all the red flag positions, and I think that's really critical.

1863
03:12:25.502 --> 03:12:35.924
<v Angelita Morillo>The other thing that I would say is that we're trying to include positions from both ordinances because that's something that I think— thank you very much.

1864
03:12:36.742 --> 03:12:41.307
<v Angelita Morillo>You should be getting printed copies now if that's also making it a little bit more easy and accessible for you.

1865
03:12:41.388 --> 03:12:41.617
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1866
03:12:43.515 --> 03:12:48.891
<v Angelita Morillo>We're talking about protecting the city from future financial errors, right?

1867
03:12:49.854 --> 03:13:05.615
<v Angelita Morillo>But the way that I would describe the other ordinance, and I'm— is that we're trying to do— it's a little bit predicated on pixie dust because we're saying that maybe there will be leftover funding in some of these things to fund these positions later.

1868
03:13:06.226 --> 03:13:16.041
<v Angelita Morillo>To me, what would make more sense is We use the PCF interest now, and then if there is leftover funding later, then that can backfill the PCF interest.

1869
03:13:16.426 --> 03:13:24.189
<v Angelita Morillo>It doesn't make sense to do it in the reverse order because we have the PCF dollars right now, and those are one-time funding dollars.

1870
03:13:24.718 --> 03:13:33.106
<v Angelita Morillo>So there's sort of an order of operations here that needs to happen, and only one of them is a secure funding source right now in this very minute.

1871
03:13:33.155 --> 03:13:33.379
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1872
03:13:34.790 --> 03:13:46.088
<v Angelita Morillo>I am fine with having more discussion on the amendment and waiting till later, as long as, you know, the attorneys and stuff tell us that that's not going to mess up our ability to make sure that we save those jobs before people are laid off.

1873
03:13:46.185 --> 03:13:47.286
<v Angelita Morillo>That's my top priority.

1874
03:13:47.737 --> 03:13:52.184
<v Angelita Morillo>So if that needs to happen, then I would be concerned about pushing this off even further.

1875
03:13:54.266 --> 03:13:58.963
<v Angelita Morillo>And I also want to point out that this ordinance also does require a plan.

1876
03:13:59.240 --> 03:14:11.943
<v Angelita Morillo>It's in the analysis that we're asking the administration for on the impact, which is something that I think should have been done long before layoffs were proposed, but that we can ask for now.

1877
03:14:12.655 --> 03:14:17.175
<v Angelita Morillo>So that's sort of some of the things that we're trying to look at.

1878
03:14:23.106 --> 03:14:29.227
<v Angelita Morillo>And I know that Heidi— or sorry, City Attorney Heidi Brown, would you be willing to come back up and—.

1879
03:14:29.227 --> 03:14:29.388
<v Heidi Brown>Yes.

1880
03:14:30.647 --> 03:14:33.204
<v Angelita Morillo>I think maybe you have an update for us on the legality of this.

1881
03:14:37.600 --> 03:14:38.566
<v Heidi Brown>Yeah, thank you, Councilor.

1882
03:14:39.870 --> 03:14:41.029
<v Heidi Brown>Yes, I did look this over.

1883
03:14:41.076 --> 03:14:42.638
<v Heidi Brown>Thank you for giving me a few minutes to do that.

1884
03:14:42.702 --> 03:14:56.638
<v Heidi Brown>And my understanding is that the bases that you are using to propose the changes that are related to the jobs in 2026-223 are the ones that were identified in that.

1885
03:14:56.942 --> 03:15:11.643
<v Heidi Brown>In that ordinance, which was we talked about unascertained occurrences or pressing unforeseen needs, which are the bases, one of a couple of the bases why you can adopt a supplemental judgment— budget, excuse me.

1886
03:15:12.095 --> 03:15:17.408
<v Heidi Brown>And so given that you're relying on those bases that are reflected in 223, then I think it's fine.

1887
03:15:18.695 --> 03:15:22.649
<v Heidi Brown>I would also note that I know Tracy Warren's not here and we can ask her to come down.

1888
03:15:22.699 --> 03:15:23.087
<v Heidi Brown>I'm sure she's—.

1889
03:15:23.087 --> 03:15:23.298
<v Heidi Brown>She's here.

1890
03:15:23.816 --> 03:15:24.586
<v Heidi Brown>On standby.

1891
03:15:25.677 --> 03:15:39.042
<v Heidi Brown>But I do know that I had heard from HR that if it's already going to be challenging for them to undo the layoffs, and so if you don't go to second reading by next week, that could cause real problems.

1892
03:15:39.091 --> 03:15:44.242
<v Heidi Brown>So, but I'll see if Tracy can come down if you'd like to get more information on that.

1893
03:15:44.771 --> 03:15:45.621
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Attorney Heidi.

1894
03:15:46.921 --> 03:15:53.567
<v Angelita Morillo>For the clerk, I also want to announce that there was a Scrivener's error, and we emailed you the language as well, but I'll just read it out loud.

1895
03:15:54.645 --> 03:15:59.486
<v Angelita Morillo>In section, I think it's 15, sorry, I'm looking at a small screenshot here.

1896
03:16:00.096 --> 03:16:06.405
<v Angelita Morillo>The number was $5,826,002, but should be $5,491,000.

1897
03:16:08.834 --> 03:16:10.414
<v Angelita Morillo>And just wanted to verify that that's corrected.

1898
03:16:13.744 --> 03:16:15.121
<v Keelan McClymont>I believe those numbers are reversed.

1899
03:16:19.738 --> 03:16:25.242
<v Keelan McClymont>It was $5,491,002 and has been updated.

1900
03:16:25.549 --> 03:16:28.625
<v Keelan McClymont>The hard copies that were just handed out were updated to $5,826,002.

1901
03:16:32.909 --> 03:16:44.176
<v Angelita Morillo>It's Section 5.8, and I believe it's— sorry, I think Kristen Johnson emailed the amendment to you.

1902
03:17:01.921 --> 03:17:05.138
<v Jamie Dunphy>Are we verifying numbers or verifying the doc that— what is in the clerk's?

1903
03:17:07.009 --> 03:17:16.049
<v Angelita Morillo>I, I think I'll sidebar with you to correct the scrivener's error and just make sure we have the correct and I'll double-check to make sure the printed copy we just received has the correct numbers as well.

1904
03:17:16.729 --> 03:17:17.816
<v Angelita Morillo>I don't want to add to any confusion.

1905
03:17:19.229 --> 03:17:22.924
<v Angelita Morillo>It's— it shouldn't be a huge deal, but just a quick number change.

1906
03:17:24.569 --> 03:17:35.907
<v Angelita Morillo>But colleagues, I am really concerned about our inability to pass an amendment and get this done today because I am worried that if we don't do this in a timely manner, like we're running up against the clock.

1907
03:17:36.073 --> 03:17:37.043
<v Angelita Morillo>I think we're going to be able to do this.

1908
03:17:38.359 --> 03:17:41.230
<v Angelita Morillo>This is genuinely not an attempt to trick anyone.

1909
03:17:42.290 --> 03:17:46.253
<v Angelita Morillo>As you can see, my team put together a million charts to make this as clear as possible.

1910
03:17:46.461 --> 03:17:50.344
<v Angelita Morillo>They were— poor them, they were rushing and trying to help as much as they could to make it clear.

1911
03:17:51.355 --> 03:17:52.351
<v Angelita Morillo>And I'm very grateful for them.

1912
03:17:52.511 --> 03:17:56.987
<v Angelita Morillo>So I would consider if we could vote on this today.

1913
03:17:57.228 --> 03:18:01.449
<v Angelita Morillo>I would like to push for that so that we can get to a second reading on something.

1914
03:18:01.961 --> 03:18:02.893
<v Jamie Dunphy>Agreed, Councilor.

1915
03:18:03.389 --> 03:18:05.075
<v Jamie Dunphy>I intend to move us towards a vote on the amendment.

1916
03:18:05.316 --> 03:18:06.104
<v Jamie Dunphy>But not on the underlying.

1917
03:18:07.763 --> 03:18:09.292
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, okay.

1918
03:18:11.289 --> 03:18:13.204
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor—.

1919
03:18:13.286 --> 03:18:16.040
<v Keelan McClymont>Council President, point of personal privilege, if I may.

1920
03:18:16.993 --> 03:18:18.025
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I apologize.

1921
03:18:18.283 --> 03:18:25.510
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have a town hall scheduled for 6 o'clock tonight and didn't learn until just a few hours ago that this meeting was extended and I need to leave.

1922
03:18:25.719 --> 03:18:28.860
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just wanted to share with everybody why it is that I have to go.

1923
03:18:29.665 --> 03:18:30.519
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1924
03:18:31.386 --> 03:18:33.576
<v Jamie Dunphy>Apologies for the late schedule change.

1925
03:18:34.323 --> 03:18:38.201
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo, are we still waiting on that, or should we move to Councilor Kanal for this?

1926
03:18:39.367 --> 03:18:45.486
<v Angelita Morillo>Let's move to Councilor Kanal and I can sidebar, or perhaps, yeah, yeah, I'll figure the Scrivener error out.

1927
03:18:45.647 --> 03:18:48.304
<v Jamie Dunphy>I will come back to you before we are moving to a vote.

1928
03:18:48.561 --> 03:18:54.078
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think the printed copy you have has the Scrivener error, so I'm getting a new copy sent just to make sure you have the correct one.

1929
03:18:54.208 --> 03:18:54.483
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1930
03:18:54.595 --> 03:18:55.564
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Kanal.

1931
03:18:57.193 --> 03:18:57.772
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1932
03:18:58.156 --> 03:19:02.281
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not sure if she's leaving right now, but I just want to first appreciate Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's conflict.

1933
03:19:02.472 --> 03:19:08.361
<v Sameer Kanal>I also have a conflict that I'm trying to get pushed back a little bit, so I should be good, but just wanted to flag it.

1934
03:19:08.425 --> 03:19:14.379
<v Sameer Kanal>And at the risk of sounding contradictory to that point, I did want to respond to Councilor Smith's point.

1935
03:19:15.149 --> 03:19:22.498
<v Sameer Kanal>Obviously, I've been a stickler when it comes to emergency ordinances and their use.

1936
03:19:22.707 --> 03:19:29.804
<v Sameer Kanal>I would be comfortable If this was an emergency, I think that that's the appropriate thing.

1937
03:19:30.494 --> 03:19:31.538
<v Sameer Kanal>That saves us one week.

1938
03:19:31.602 --> 03:19:37.816
<v Sameer Kanal>To be clear, non-emergency budget ordinances don't have a 30 days after, is what I've been told.

1939
03:19:38.024 --> 03:19:39.662
<v Sameer Kanal>And so that would apply here too.

1940
03:19:39.727 --> 03:19:43.033
<v Sameer Kanal>We know it applies to the full budget, but either way, it would save us the week.

1941
03:19:43.420 --> 03:19:46.727
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm open to that conversation if there's something that can get to 9 votes.

1942
03:19:47.577 --> 03:19:56.231
<v Sameer Kanal>And I just wanted to flag that I wouldn't be and I think I can leave it there.

1943
03:19:56.328 --> 03:19:56.585
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1944
03:19:57.388 --> 03:19:57.709
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1945
03:19:57.853 --> 03:20:00.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm going to limit debate to the amendment, uh, to those in the queue.

1946
03:20:00.760 --> 03:20:01.386
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1947
03:20:01.804 --> 03:20:03.762
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, and Councilor Avalos will have the last word on the amendment.

1948
03:20:04.371 --> 03:20:04.933
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1949
03:20:05.736 --> 03:20:12.994
<v Steve Novick>Yeah, I just wanted to remind people that our proposal had PSAP interest as a possible funding source.

1950
03:20:13.684 --> 03:20:15.594
<v Steve Novick>It said that— it said look to the PSAP interest in the amendment.

1951
03:20:16.206 --> 03:20:20.244
<v Steve Novick>Under-projected underspending, but it also listed PSAP interest as a funding source.

1952
03:20:20.341 --> 03:20:31.763
<v Steve Novick>So, um, there's, there's no argument that we were relying purely on, um, unpredictable sources of money because it had that predictable source as a backup.

1953
03:20:33.404 --> 03:20:34.246
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1954
03:20:35.040 --> 03:20:35.737
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo.

1955
03:20:37.471 --> 03:20:42.075
<v Angelita Morillo>Well, Councilor Novick, while you're looking at the past, I am trying to get us moving ahead forward.

1956
03:20:42.667 --> 03:20:45.800
<v Angelita Morillo>So, um, I would like to call the vote.

1957
03:20:46.105 --> 03:20:53.086
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, oh, I know— well, okay, I see Councilor Avalos really has something she wants to say, but I'm— can I call the vote right after she speaks?

1958
03:20:53.250 --> 03:20:55.135
<v Angelita Morillo>After the— okay, she'll call the vote.

1959
03:20:55.216 --> 03:20:59.165
<v Jamie Dunphy>It has been limited debate, has been limited, and we are moving to a vote after Councilor Avalos.

1960
03:21:01.440 --> 03:21:02.147
<v Jamie Dunphy>Go ahead, Councilor Avalos.

1961
03:21:02.485 --> 03:21:03.465
<v Candace Avalos>All right, thank you.

1962
03:21:04.574 --> 03:21:10.915
<v Candace Avalos>I waited till the end because I just wanted to kind of see where the temperature was and get a sense for how colleagues are feeling.

1963
03:21:11.093 --> 03:21:15.766
<v Candace Avalos>And honestly, I feel really encouraged by the discussion that we just had.

1964
03:21:16.233 --> 03:21:30.222
<v Candace Avalos>I think that ultimately, whatever your issues are with previous negotiations or proposals or debates, I hope that we do not lose sight, colleagues, of what we're voting on, because these are workers with families who are at high risk of losing a job.

1965
03:21:30.463 --> 03:21:30.559
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah.

1966
03:21:31.010 --> 03:21:37.547
<v Candace Avalos>This is about essential services that Portlanders might lose, parks positions that serve some of our most disadvantaged communities.

1967
03:21:38.156 --> 03:21:39.344
<v Candace Avalos>Critical fire rescues.

1968
03:21:40.083 --> 03:21:44.048
<v Candace Avalos>I also don't love everything in this compromise, but like Murillo said, that's why it's a compromise.

1969
03:21:44.096 --> 03:21:45.364
<v Candace Avalos>Or maybe you said it, Councilor Green.

1970
03:21:45.861 --> 03:21:48.912
<v Candace Avalos>Um, that's kind of the nature of compromise, right?

1971
03:21:49.009 --> 03:21:51.433
<v Candace Avalos>Like that it's not always what we all love.

1972
03:21:51.560 --> 03:21:57.324
<v Candace Avalos>And I think we've spent many, many weeks trying to come to a compromise, trying to propose different things.

1973
03:21:57.902 --> 03:22:12.969
<v Candace Avalos>And I'm really, again, encouraged that this has finally, um, broken through that stalemate because, again, I think Also, I'll just thank the Portlanders who testified yesterday because I think they really helped lay out the consequences very clearly.

1974
03:22:13.628 --> 03:22:16.002
<v Candace Avalos>And I think we have an available source.

1975
03:22:16.514 --> 03:22:17.493
<v Candace Avalos>To me, it's a no-brainer.

1976
03:22:17.829 --> 03:22:20.139
<v Candace Avalos>I'm very grateful for your leadership, Councilor Morillo.

1977
03:22:20.203 --> 03:22:29.138
<v Candace Avalos>I'm really grateful to everybody who has really leaned in and decided that what is more important is not our disagreements, our interpersonal problems.

1978
03:22:29.186 --> 03:22:30.118
<v Candace Avalos>That does not matter.

1979
03:22:30.406 --> 03:22:32.218
<v Candace Avalos>What matters is Portlanders that we're going to serve.

1980
03:22:32.930 --> 03:22:39.879
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1981
03:22:39.879 --> 03:22:42.450
<v Jamie Dunphy>Rebecca, can we please call a roll on Murillo 1?

1982
03:22:42.700 --> 03:22:43.579
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, Councilor—.

1983
03:22:43.579 --> 03:22:44.750
<v Sameer Kanal>Can I quickly do a point of information?

1984
03:22:45.379 --> 03:22:47.000
<v Sameer Kanal>Absolutely, Councilor Kanal.

1985
03:22:47.000 --> 03:22:53.860
<v Sameer Kanal>Council President, can you just clarify, we're not voting on the underlying ordinance right now, we're just voting on whether to do the amendment that Councilor Murillo put forward?

1986
03:22:53.860 --> 03:22:56.180
<v Jamie Dunphy>Correct, we are voting on Murillo 1.

1987
03:22:56.180 --> 03:22:57.440
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1988
03:22:57.700 --> 03:23:01.639
<v Jamie Dunphy>Murillo 1 to document 2026-01.

1989
03:23:02.497 --> 03:23:03.061
<v Keelan McClymont>222.

1990
03:23:03.577 --> 03:23:10.269
<v Keelan McClymont>So exactly, yep, the vote for Murillo won for ordinance document number 2026-222.

1991
03:23:11.430 --> 03:23:11.752
<v Rebecca Dobert>Koyama Lane?

1992
03:23:12.186 --> 03:23:12.397
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yes.

1993
03:23:13.621 --> 03:23:14.024
<v Rebecca Dobert>Murillo?

1994
03:23:14.509 --> 03:23:14.557
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1995
03:23:15.251 --> 03:23:15.734
<v Rebecca Dobert>Novick?

1996
03:23:17.895 --> 03:23:18.056
<v Steve Novick>No.

1997
03:23:19.329 --> 03:23:19.522
<v Rebecca Dobert>Clark?

1998
03:23:19.924 --> 03:23:20.117
<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

1999
03:23:21.515 --> 03:23:21.822
<v Rebecca Dobert>Green?

2000
03:23:22.239 --> 03:23:22.288
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

2001
03:23:23.460 --> 03:23:23.815
<v Rebecca Dobert>Zimmerman?

2002
03:23:25.213 --> 03:23:25.375
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

2003
03:23:25.777 --> 03:23:26.082
<v Rebecca Dobert>Avalos?

2004
03:23:26.500 --> 03:23:26.581
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2005
03:23:27.174 --> 03:23:27.529
<v Rebecca Dobert>Smith?

2006
03:23:28.851 --> 03:23:31.727
<v Loretta Smith>I don't often like to be on a different side of Dr. Haynes.

2007
03:23:31.903 --> 03:23:37.927
<v Loretta Smith>I've been following him for years and we've never been on opposite sides, so I happily vote yes.

2008
03:23:38.024 --> 03:23:39.791
<v Loretta Smith>And thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2009
03:23:41.060 --> 03:23:41.495
<v Rebecca Dobert>Kanal?

2010
03:23:42.747 --> 03:23:42.797
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

2011
03:23:44.193 --> 03:23:45.302
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney, absent.

2012
03:23:46.202 --> 03:23:46.507
<v Rebecca Dobert>Ryan?

2013
03:23:47.085 --> 03:23:47.246
<v Dan Ryan>Aye.

2014
03:23:48.147 --> 03:23:48.484
<v Rebecca Dobert>Dunphy?

2015
03:23:48.853 --> 03:23:48.902
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

2016
03:23:50.058 --> 03:23:53.978
<v Keelan McClymont>And the amendment is approved with 10 aye, 1 nay, and 1 absent.

2017
03:23:55.579 --> 03:23:55.756
<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

2018
03:23:55.837 --> 03:23:58.391
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, now to the debate of the underlying bill.

2019
03:23:58.522 --> 03:24:01.236
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is still our first reading of both ordinances.

2020
03:24:01.431 --> 03:24:05.245
<v Jamie Dunphy>There is no additional voting today, and when we're done discussing this, it moves to second reading.

2021
03:24:07.020 --> 03:24:08.136
<v Jamie Dunphy>They both will move to second reading.

2022
03:24:08.183 --> 03:24:10.611
<v Jamie Dunphy>So, Councilor Avalos, are you in the queue still?

2023
03:24:11.242 --> 03:24:11.841
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

2024
03:24:13.846 --> 03:24:16.894
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

2025
03:24:17.168 --> 03:24:18.497
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

2026
03:24:18.692 --> 03:24:31.574
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I, I think I'm Nobody else is in the queue, so I might be doing this a little prematurely, but I didn't want to end this without mentioning, you know, yesterday Councilor Koyama Lane and I proposed an amendment that would restore 3 positions.

2027
03:24:32.231 --> 03:24:34.896
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, it was divided, um, all 3 failed 6-6.

2028
03:24:35.120 --> 03:24:41.894
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, one of those 3 positions is already in, um, Ordinance 2026-222.

2029
03:24:42.584 --> 03:24:54.127
<v Sameer Kanal>And, um, given that we're having the conversation and talking about both ordinances, I, I would like to propose an amendment to 2026-222 that restores the other 2 positions.

2030
03:24:54.175 --> 03:25:14.173
<v Sameer Kanal>So to be clear, the 3 positions that were brought up yesterday, one was the senior center position, one was the international relations position, and I believe the senior center position is the one that's in there.

2031
03:25:16.469 --> 03:25:20.218
<v Sameer Kanal>As it stands, and we're, by the way, getting this printed out and sent your way.

2032
03:25:24.224 --> 03:25:40.096
<v Sameer Kanal>And then there's a ceasefire position, which, as was mentioned yesterday, and I'd love to have— if CA Lee could speak to that, I would love to have that spoken to again, just to clarify what the request was from administration, which again, we heard it was requested by administration yesterday.

2033
03:25:41.564 --> 03:25:50.184
<v Sameer Kanal>But would love to have the conversation about adding back the international relations position as well as the ceasefire position to these— to Ordinance 2026-222.

2034
03:25:50.570 --> 03:25:55.335
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Koyama Lane, I believe, has the actual amendment, and we're getting that.

2035
03:25:55.802 --> 03:25:59.356
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not sure where that's at in terms of the physical chamber or the email, but I just wanted to mention that.

2036
03:25:59.453 --> 03:26:03.185
<v Sameer Kanal>And if it is ready for— I'll move it as soon as it's ready to be moved.

2037
03:26:05.239 --> 03:26:06.472
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2038
03:26:06.939 --> 03:26:08.137
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It's being passed out right now.

2039
03:26:08.282 --> 03:26:08.606
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Right now.

2040
03:26:11.213 --> 03:26:16.967
<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, then I will move formally, uh, Koyama Lane Canal 1 to Ordinance 2026-222.

2041
03:26:21.514 --> 03:26:25.914
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal moves Koyama Lane Canal— is it— would it be 1?

2042
03:26:26.176 --> 03:26:26.965
<v Ben Gilbert>Didn't we already have a 1?

2043
03:26:28.643 --> 03:26:29.878
<v Jamie Dunphy>Anyway, that was to the other ordinance.

2044
03:26:30.007 --> 03:26:30.528
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, you're right.

2045
03:26:30.593 --> 03:26:31.745
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, number however you'd like.

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03:26:32.038 --> 03:26:32.444
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

2047
03:26:32.941 --> 03:26:35.657
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Kanal moves Koyama Lane Kanal 1.

2048
03:26:35.739 --> 03:26:36.342
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there a second?

2049
03:26:38.931 --> 03:26:39.367
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Second.

2050
03:26:40.111 --> 03:26:42.472
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane seconds the amendment.

2051
03:26:43.056 --> 03:26:45.385
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, discussion to the amendment?

2052
03:26:47.538 --> 03:26:47.876
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

2053
03:26:48.665 --> 03:26:56.281
<v Loretta Smith>So ceasefire, it is my understanding— is anyone here from the budget office?

2054
03:26:56.431 --> 03:27:05.694
<v Loretta Smith>It's my understanding that ceasefire was funded not only fully, and we restored ceasefire fully, but we also put it in permanent budget.

2055
03:27:07.152 --> 03:27:14.527
<v Loretta Smith>So I'm not sure where this Scraggler, um, position comes from.

2056
03:27:15.040 --> 03:27:17.775
<v Loretta Smith>Is it something that they want to add in addition to what they have?

2057
03:27:17.840 --> 03:27:22.656
<v Loretta Smith>Because they got funded fully, and I'm not willing to give them anything else.

2058
03:27:23.558 --> 03:27:25.619
<v Loretta Smith>So this is, this is something new.

2059
03:27:26.433 --> 03:27:29.257
<v Loretta Smith>This is not something that was lost because they didn't lose anything.

2060
03:27:29.322 --> 03:27:30.734
<v Loretta Smith>They got everything restored.

2061
03:27:31.263 --> 03:27:33.431
<v Loretta Smith>So I'm not sure where this ceasefire came from.

2062
03:27:33.606 --> 03:27:35.709
<v Sameer Kanal>May I respond, Council President?

2063
03:27:36.689 --> 03:27:37.476
<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely, Councilor.

2064
03:27:38.614 --> 03:27:45.950
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so this was a cut position in the mayor's proposed budget that was not restored in our budget conversations.

2065
03:27:46.479 --> 03:27:52.739
<v Sameer Kanal>I know— I don't know if any— who's there from the budget office to speak to, but I do know that We have CA Lee here.

2066
03:27:52.899 --> 03:28:02.710
<v Sameer Kanal>We also have the Director of Community Safety, Stephanie Howard, on the call, so they can speak to that from the operational side if you'd like.

2067
03:28:03.289 --> 03:28:08.250
<v Loretta Smith>The question that I would ask Councilor Kanal is, how much money did they turn over?

2068
03:28:08.716 --> 03:28:12.023
<v Loretta Smith>How much money did they have that was unused?

2069
03:28:12.167 --> 03:28:19.815
<v Loretta Smith>And I think they got a lot of money that was unused from the, from the Department of Public Safety, they don't need this.

2070
03:28:19.863 --> 03:28:21.654
<v Loretta Smith>They can restore it with the money that they have.

2071
03:28:22.282 --> 03:28:25.622
<v Loretta Smith>Ceasefire already has money that they did not use, so they can use that.

2072
03:28:28.673 --> 03:28:37.332
<v Raymond C. Lee>If council would like, I know we have Stephanie Howard online to kind of speak to the program itself and kind of break down, uh, the request as well.

2073
03:28:38.987 --> 03:28:40.709
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you so much, City Administrator.

2074
03:28:41.018 --> 03:28:46.424
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, Stephanie Howard, Director of Community Safety, For the record, and I apologize, I'm traveling right now, so I'm off camera.

2075
03:28:47.148 --> 03:28:50.293
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But to speak to the question, Councilor Kanal is correct.

2076
03:28:50.373 --> 03:29:01.425
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We did lose this position in addition to some small cuts in the budget, but the funding was made ongoing, as you noted, Councilor Smith.

2077
03:29:01.862 --> 03:29:04.970
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We did not have carryover in the ceasefire program at all.

2078
03:29:05.182 --> 03:29:13.769
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So there was not any unspent funding that would not true.

2079
03:29:13.769 --> 03:29:15.670
<v Loretta Smith>I'm sorry, I talked to Ceasefire yesterday.

2080
03:29:15.670 --> 03:29:22.739
<v Loretta Smith>I talked to Sierra and she said there was $300,000 that POIC didn't use, so I know they have $300,000 in the budget.

2081
03:29:23.370 --> 03:29:28.670
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>No, I, I, I, we— I'm happy to provide additional information, but I don't think that is—.

2082
03:29:28.670 --> 03:29:32.239
<v Candace Avalos>That doesn't, that doesn't mean that that money wasn't accounted for elsewhere.

2083
03:29:32.649 --> 03:29:35.610
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I do not— we did not have a $300,000 underspend at Ceasefire.

2084
03:29:36.174 --> 03:29:41.093
<v Loretta Smith>There was an underspend because they didn't spend all of their money, and so that is an underspend.

2085
03:29:41.784 --> 03:29:47.726
<v Loretta Smith>When they didn't spend their allotted contractual, um, monies, there is an underspend.

2086
03:29:49.626 --> 03:29:57.596
<v Candace Avalos>Yes, Councilor, but the, the funding that was not spent by one contractor, we have repurposed that in amendments to provide gap filling.

2087
03:29:57.854 --> 03:29:59.394
<v Loretta Smith>I think you need to talk to your staff.

2088
03:29:59.984 --> 03:30:00.934
<v Loretta Smith>You need to talk to your staff.

2089
03:30:02.923 --> 03:30:03.244
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes, ma'am.

2090
03:30:03.807 --> 03:30:09.125
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, I, I— but I will just say this, this position has been requested because, yes, it was lost, it was not restored.

2091
03:30:09.269 --> 03:30:29.183
<v Candace Avalos>And, um, we have come, you know, we're working through the layoff process with that employee who we hate to lose, uh, and that if we can restore that position, it will avoid some of the sort of downstream effects to other programs like the Office of Violence Prevention in In the context of bumping.

2092
03:30:29.281 --> 03:30:33.397
<v Candace Avalos>And so because this opportunity came forward, and I'm not sure that we fully—.

2093
03:30:33.397 --> 03:30:35.318
<v Loretta Smith>Director Howard, you don't even know when you're winning.

2094
03:30:35.950 --> 03:30:38.611
<v Loretta Smith>You got it fully funded and you're in permanent budget.

2095
03:30:39.531 --> 03:30:39.902
<v Loretta Smith>Come on.

2096
03:30:43.962 --> 03:30:44.968
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Apologies, Councilor Smith.

2097
03:30:45.034 --> 03:30:46.834
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm trying to just answer the questions I was asked.

2098
03:30:50.610 --> 03:30:50.884
<v Claire Adamsick>Okay.

2099
03:30:56.850 --> 03:30:57.902
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, okay, thank you.

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03:30:58.565 --> 03:31:00.653
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, thank you, Councilor Smith.

2101
03:31:02.617 --> 03:31:03.007
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

2102
03:31:03.757 --> 03:31:04.654
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Council President.

2103
03:31:05.760 --> 03:31:13.773
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith, from what has been explained to me, I was told that we thought we fully restored ceasefire, but we didn't.

2104
03:31:14.860 --> 03:31:18.637
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We did not, and that this FTE, we did cut it in our budget.

2105
03:31:19.111 --> 03:31:21.327
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And that, that we did not realize that that happened.

2106
03:31:22.147 --> 03:31:34.029
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And after the meeting yesterday, I've had conversations with CA Lee that there was some confusion, and that is something that was brought to him that he did approve to be requested because we did cut that.

2107
03:31:34.702 --> 03:31:37.128
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>CA Lee, are you able to speak more to that?

2108
03:31:38.363 --> 03:31:38.974
<v Raymond C. Lee>Yes, I can.

2109
03:31:39.086 --> 03:31:44.305
<v Raymond C. Lee>I know we had the conversation on it, but I can also have Jonas come and talk about the budget in general.

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03:31:44.370 --> 03:31:46.514
<v Raymond C. Lee>General as it relates to ceasefire.

2111
03:31:46.983 --> 03:32:05.094
<v Raymond C. Lee>But staff came to me as it relates to a bumping issue due to not having adequate funding for the role and asked, could conversations be had as it relates to bringing back a role so we could avoid the bumping issue that we have in ceasefire?

2112
03:32:16.968 --> 03:32:18.139
<v Jamie Dunphy>No, nothing to that.

2113
03:32:18.492 --> 03:32:24.841
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I just, I guess I'd say for the record, Jonas Biery, Chief Financial Officer, agree with what Stephanie Howard said regarding the budget.

2114
03:32:25.546 --> 03:32:25.737
<v Loretta Smith>Yeah.

2115
03:32:25.882 --> 03:32:31.814
<v Jamie Dunphy>As far as no carryover and keeping that filled for this year, that's accurate.

2116
03:32:32.230 --> 03:32:35.388
<v Loretta Smith>Do you see, we all had to take a haircut.

2117
03:32:35.549 --> 03:32:35.662
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

2118
03:32:35.742 --> 03:32:36.224
<v Loretta Smith>Everywhere.

2119
03:32:37.364 --> 03:32:39.421
<v Loretta Smith>Everybody don't get their fully funded back.

2120
03:32:39.469 --> 03:32:42.666
<v Loretta Smith>It's one— it's— she got— she needs to trim her budget.

2121
03:32:42.715 --> 03:32:43.968
<v Loretta Smith>She got more than enough money.

2122
03:32:44.015 --> 03:32:49.119
<v Loretta Smith>She had millions of dollars that she had from '25-'26 that she turned over to '26-'27.

2123
03:32:49.587 --> 03:32:50.527
<v Loretta Smith>So I know she got some money.

2124
03:32:52.731 --> 03:32:56.076
<v Loretta Smith>And we need to stop piecemealing this stuff together.

2125
03:32:59.058 --> 03:33:01.117
<v Loretta Smith>And we also got to know when we winning.

2126
03:33:02.420 --> 03:33:03.739
<v Loretta Smith>And ceasefire is winning.

2127
03:33:03.739 --> 03:33:09.959
<v Loretta Smith>If that's the case, I'm going to go back and get the police's $20 million, another $15 million that was taken off.

2128
03:33:09.959 --> 03:33:15.690
<v Loretta Smith>If we're going to start doing that, do y'all want to— I can put an amendment in for the police.

2129
03:33:15.700 --> 03:33:17.260
<v Loretta Smith>They lost $15 other million.

2130
03:33:17.260 --> 03:33:18.889
<v Loretta Smith>Are you going to fund that?

2131
03:33:19.159 --> 03:33:20.959
<v Loretta Smith>Because they, they lost it.

2132
03:33:20.959 --> 03:33:22.319
<v Loretta Smith>We were in a cut budget.

2133
03:33:22.360 --> 03:33:28.430
<v Loretta Smith>The mayor had to cut $170 million, and we getting ready to fight over $197,000?

2134
03:33:29.540 --> 03:33:29.840
<v Loretta Smith>No.

2135
03:33:29.840 --> 03:33:29.899
<v Claire Adamsick>Councilor Loretta Smith.

2136
03:33:32.450 --> 03:33:34.666
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor— thanks, Councilor Smith.

2137
03:33:34.715 --> 03:33:35.507
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

2138
03:33:38.692 --> 03:33:39.825
<v Christina Gann>I may have lost the thread here.

2139
03:33:40.373 --> 03:33:40.793
<v Jamie Dunphy>Fair enough.

2140
03:33:41.198 --> 03:33:42.878
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, give me one second.

2141
03:33:43.540 --> 03:33:43.911
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, I—.

2142
03:33:44.088 --> 03:33:45.364
<v Eric Zimmerman>Here, here's my concern.

2143
03:33:46.406 --> 03:34:02.386
<v Eric Zimmerman>I find this a strange request from the administration because I'm pretty sure to expect, based on the rest of 222, that the mayor and the administration are going to blast this council.

2144
03:34:02.918 --> 03:34:04.484
<v Eric Zimmerman>So do not ask me for another one.

2145
03:34:05.801 --> 03:34:07.345
<v Eric Zimmerman>I find that very strange.

2146
03:34:07.650 --> 03:34:20.802
<v Eric Zimmerman>So, um, in the midst of all these positions and the— I don't love governing by position in a budget process.

2147
03:34:20.868 --> 03:34:23.003
<v Eric Zimmerman>I find that generally inappropriate.

2148
03:34:23.131 --> 03:34:29.675
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so we're down at the— we're in the 11th second of the 11th minute of the 11th hour kind of thing.

2149
03:34:29.725 --> 03:34:32.240
<v Eric Zimmerman>I mean, this thing expired on June 30th, and here we go.

2150
03:34:32.579 --> 03:34:50.800
<v Eric Zimmerman>So, um, I am hearing the request, but I'll just tell you from a supplementary budget perspective, I know that we have some staff here who perhaps are not very used to those, but Councilor Smith and I are used to them because Multnomah County does a supplementary budget it all the darn time.

2151
03:34:51.538 --> 03:35:03.220
<v Eric Zimmerman>Every time they change a position here and there, and they bring those in and they do it in an appropriate manner, but it's been added into these 2 larger ordinances by council, and I find that strange.

2152
03:35:03.717 --> 03:35:14.759
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, if you are fully intending that you have made a mistake, then you're not going to execute all the funds in this quarter anyway, and I think you can bring a one-off and do the thing.

2153
03:35:14.870 --> 03:35:19.840
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I I don't— this, this does not seem like the right or appropriate point.

2154
03:35:19.920 --> 03:35:26.299
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I do think that Councilor Smith has made some ongoing permanent funding cases here that resonate with me as well.

2155
03:35:26.717 --> 03:35:27.038
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2156
03:35:27.934 --> 03:35:28.800
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

2157
03:35:28.993 --> 03:35:29.666
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

2158
03:35:30.324 --> 03:35:38.708
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, so first off, thank you, uh, Director Howard, for being here and for explaining, um, what happened here.

2159
03:35:38.915 --> 03:35:46.897
<v Sameer Kanal>I, I just wanted to, to first ask the council president to To stick with the rules of conduct that we have here internally.

2160
03:35:47.890 --> 03:35:58.755
<v Sameer Kanal>But secondly, I just wanted to point out that even if hypothetically there's a money issue in terms of like we don't want to put more money towards this or not, like I recognize that that might be a conversation.

2161
03:35:59.349 --> 03:36:00.950
<v Sameer Kanal>There's still a position authority issue.

2162
03:36:01.656 --> 03:36:07.568
<v Sameer Kanal>And we're losing the position authority, so we would have to restore that even if they were to use existing dollars for this position.

2163
03:36:08.244 --> 03:36:11.717
<v Sameer Kanal>And so this, this doesn't just stop at that.

2164
03:36:11.764 --> 03:36:13.468
<v Sameer Kanal>It obviously gives the money as well, this amendment.

2165
03:36:13.549 --> 03:36:16.024
<v Sameer Kanal>But I— it's not as though there's just flexibility.

2166
03:36:16.762 --> 03:36:19.533
<v Sameer Kanal>We would need to actually authorize the creation of that position.

2167
03:36:19.727 --> 03:36:26.889
<v Sameer Kanal>And I appreciate the connection to the Office of Violence Prevention that was raised as well by Director Howard.

2168
03:36:27.246 --> 03:36:30.941
<v Sameer Kanal>The second thing I want to bring up is, as of right now, this amendment is 2 positions together.

2169
03:36:31.039 --> 03:36:33.031
<v Sameer Kanal>The other is the International Relations Program.

2170
03:36:34.218 --> 03:36:37.297
<v Sameer Kanal>And, you know, this is something that many of us have talked about supporting.

2171
03:36:37.361 --> 03:36:43.550
<v Sameer Kanal>This is something that when we had the Sister City reception, some of you spoke at that in favor of this work.

2172
03:36:44.000 --> 03:36:53.990
<v Sameer Kanal>It's something that we talked about at the Rose Festival when we had a dragon boat race against the city council from Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

2173
03:36:54.520 --> 03:37:02.427
<v Sameer Kanal>You know, this relationship that's curated and held within our city government by the International Relations Program at the Office of Government Relations.

2174
03:37:02.941 --> 03:37:05.670
<v Sameer Kanal>So I would hope that the colleagues would consider that.

2175
03:37:05.750 --> 03:37:22.694
<v Sameer Kanal>I think relative to the amount of money that is brought into this city, not just tax— I'm talking economic activity, but even just the tax receipts associated with international travel— that we should be actually not merely holding the line and trying to save this position, but investing further in our international relationships.

2176
03:37:23.159 --> 03:37:24.075
<v Sameer Kanal>That's not in front of us today.

2177
03:37:24.844 --> 03:37:32.752
<v Sameer Kanal>But the idea of coming back to where we are presently and, and keeping our international relations, uh, program whole is in front of us.

2178
03:37:32.833 --> 03:37:34.177
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'd ask for your support in that.

2179
03:37:35.916 --> 03:37:36.676
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2180
03:37:37.210 --> 03:37:37.825
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

2181
03:37:38.827 --> 03:37:39.086
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

2182
03:37:39.459 --> 03:37:49.144
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, I guess I'm just trying to understand if the disagreement is on the facts of whether this money is needed or on the value of whether we should fund these positions.

2183
03:37:49.726 --> 03:38:03.141
<v Candace Avalos>What I understood as it relates to the ceasefire situation is that they received— their program was kept whole, they got money for their programming, but they lost the position.

2184
03:38:03.319 --> 03:38:11.011
<v Candace Avalos>And the concern and why you raised it and asked us to fix it is because there's money for a program but no one to do the program.

2185
03:38:13.202 --> 03:38:13.870
<v Candace Avalos>Say it on the record.

2186
03:38:14.424 --> 03:38:14.912
<v Candace Avalos>Correct.

2187
03:38:15.156 --> 03:38:18.394
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, so that's the situation with the ceasefire thing, right?

2188
03:38:18.920 --> 03:38:22.555
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, so maybe Councilor Smith, help me understand what your position is.

2189
03:38:22.650 --> 03:38:26.109
<v Candace Avalos>I'm just trying to suss out like where the disagreement is, so if I can ask you directly.

2190
03:38:26.786 --> 03:38:34.933
<v Loretta Smith>Well, the, the, the issue is that I have— if we have 2 ordinances, then the smart thing would have been to tell both sides about it.

2191
03:38:35.709 --> 03:38:40.602
<v Loretta Smith>So there must have been an assumption that they— that you all could get it done and we couldn't.

2192
03:38:40.895 --> 03:38:56.199
<v Loretta Smith>So I don't care about this this— we've gone so far, and if this was so important, why didn't Councilor Morillo put it in her— to put everything together?

2193
03:38:56.361 --> 03:38:57.281
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm doing the best I can.

2194
03:38:57.621 --> 03:39:00.837
<v Loretta Smith>I know, but why didn't you all add it to hers?

2195
03:39:02.631 --> 03:39:04.212
<v Loretta Smith>I mean, it just— it's too much.

2196
03:39:04.665 --> 03:39:06.262
<v Loretta Smith>It's just too much right now.

2197
03:39:07.052 --> 03:39:07.843
<v Loretta Smith>I'm not going to support it.

2198
03:39:07.891 --> 03:39:08.988
<v Loretta Smith>Y'all can support it if y'all want to.

2199
03:39:09.102 --> 03:39:09.715
<v Loretta Smith>I'm not supporting it.

2200
03:39:10.307 --> 03:39:11.456
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thank you for your answer.

2201
03:39:11.555 --> 03:39:13.493
<v Candace Avalos>Just trying to get clarity on what's going on.

2202
03:39:15.364 --> 03:39:22.677
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and it sounds like another concern that has— is being raised is this perception that some people are getting information about what needs to be changed and not.

2203
03:39:23.192 --> 03:39:24.174
<v Candace Avalos>So we didn't know that.

2204
03:39:24.287 --> 03:39:40.877
<v Candace Avalos>Is that— is that something that we can— I don't know how to— we can't fix the past, but it sounds like that is a procedural thing we should discuss because I think part of it is that we're all building these budgets with our own offices with disparate information.

2205
03:39:41.037 --> 03:39:43.728
<v Candace Avalos>And I think that's what adds to this confusion.

2206
03:39:43.841 --> 03:39:50.826
<v Candace Avalos>And then so if I as a councilor like care about a certain program and I'm trying to save it in the budget, then I'm going and I'm talking to them, I'm doing all this stuff.

2207
03:39:50.890 --> 03:39:57.877
<v Candace Avalos>And so I think that's why the information doesn't get to everybody because we're all having to advocate for our things.

2208
03:39:57.941 --> 03:39:59.639
<v Candace Avalos>But I think that's not our fault.

2209
03:39:59.703 --> 03:39:59.768
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

2210
03:39:59.847 --> 03:40:11.924
<v Candace Avalos>I think that's a system problem of making sure that like there's transparency of like what well, first of all, if you're making an ask because something needs to get fixed, that is correct that you should be making that ask to the full council.

2211
03:40:11.972 --> 03:40:17.641
<v Candace Avalos>So I'll just say that I do think that we need to fix that because it does give this perception that, um, is unnecessary.

2212
03:40:17.706 --> 03:40:23.095
<v Candace Avalos>It's obviously creating conflict and it doesn't have to be because if you have an ask, you should tell the whole council to fund that.

2213
03:40:23.175 --> 03:40:24.109
<v Candace Avalos>So I'll leave that at that.

2214
03:40:24.520 --> 03:40:31.495
<v Candace Avalos>But, um, in general, I think I am concerned about the fact that there's dollars for a program but no one to administer it.

2215
03:40:31.545 --> 03:40:33.325
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm interested in supporting that.

2216
03:40:33.950 --> 03:40:42.533
<v Candace Avalos>As it relates to the international relations, um, position, you know, not something I advocated for, not something that is at the top of my list.

2217
03:40:42.629 --> 03:40:49.288
<v Candace Avalos>I understand the why and why, um, you know, you— this, uh, amendment is seeking to replace it.

2218
03:40:49.753 --> 03:40:52.833
<v Candace Avalos>I think the answer to why wasn't it included, I think it's just what I said, right?

2219
03:40:52.897 --> 03:40:54.870
<v Candace Avalos>It's just like everybody's just kind of doing their own thing.

2220
03:40:55.304 --> 03:40:56.763
<v Candace Avalos>We're all trying to piece things together.

2221
03:40:57.212 --> 03:40:59.643
<v Candace Avalos>And again, that is a systems issue.

2222
03:41:00.191 --> 03:41:07.985
<v Candace Avalos>Um, and, um, so I don't— so I appreciate that we're all working through, um, these silos and doing our best.

2223
03:41:08.033 --> 03:41:10.272
<v Candace Avalos>And so I wouldn't— I'm not going to put that on these councilors.

2224
03:41:10.368 --> 03:41:16.789
<v Candace Avalos>But, um, again, just wanted to get clarity on what the disagreement was, if it was a fiscal issue or if it was like we don't want to fund this position.

2225
03:41:18.148 --> 03:41:20.798
<v Candace Avalos>Sounds like more on the fiscal side, more on the process side.

2226
03:41:21.185 --> 03:41:25.289
<v Candace Avalos>Um, so just wanted to get clarity, and I don't have a closing statement.

2227
03:41:25.337 --> 03:41:26.049
<v Candace Avalos>That's all I got to say.

2228
03:41:26.193 --> 03:41:26.274
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Good.

2229
03:41:26.641 --> 03:41:27.844
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

2230
03:41:28.004 --> 03:41:28.854
<v Jamie Dunphy>Or Councilor Avalos.

2231
03:41:28.951 --> 03:41:31.870
<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm limiting debate on the amendment to those who are currently in the queue.

2232
03:41:31.934 --> 03:41:32.784
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

2233
03:41:33.779 --> 03:41:34.629
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

2234
03:41:34.740 --> 03:41:37.435
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Your line of questioning was really helpful.

2235
03:41:38.735 --> 03:41:40.804
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I understand that this is messy.

2236
03:41:40.979 --> 03:41:42.006
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>All of this has been messy.

2237
03:41:42.199 --> 03:41:46.079
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Instead of, like, we're collaborating in real time in front of everyone.

2238
03:41:47.171 --> 03:41:51.356
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>This really has just been trying to save some positions.

2239
03:41:51.421 --> 03:41:53.425
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think both of these positions are important.

2240
03:41:54.772 --> 03:42:05.680
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And honestly, Councilor Smith, I have been taking a cue from you and your tenacity, and I've been trying to be really tenacious about this because I think these are important.

2241
03:42:05.781 --> 03:42:06.424
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And so I'm trying.

2242
03:42:07.659 --> 03:42:10.260
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It might— likely won't pass, but here we go.

2243
03:42:12.864 --> 03:42:16.060
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Koyama Lane, a technicality.

2244
03:42:18.698 --> 03:42:21.798
<v Jamie Dunphy>The draft that the clerk just received is slightly more than a scribner's error.

2245
03:42:22.247 --> 03:42:23.494
<v Jamie Dunphy>Of an updated draft.

2246
03:42:24.287 --> 03:42:28.558
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'd like you to formally withdraw the amendment and then reintroduce it if you could.

2247
03:42:28.720 --> 03:42:30.775
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Okay, formally withdraw and reintroduce.

2248
03:42:32.090 --> 03:42:32.218
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

2249
03:42:32.281 --> 03:42:33.375
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Koyama Lane, Canal 1.

2250
03:42:34.049 --> 03:42:34.177
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Great.

2251
03:42:34.370 --> 03:42:35.030
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I think because it—.

2252
03:42:35.030 --> 03:42:35.593
<v Sameer Kanal>Second it.

2253
03:42:36.058 --> 03:42:36.299
<v Sameer Kanal>There we go.

2254
03:42:36.443 --> 03:42:38.870
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It notes the senior center in there.

2255
03:42:39.272 --> 03:42:39.657
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

2256
03:42:39.851 --> 03:42:41.200
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, that worked.

2257
03:42:41.281 --> 03:42:41.625
<v Jamie Dunphy>Are we good?

2258
03:42:42.418 --> 03:42:43.644
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, Heidi doesn't like what I did.

2259
03:42:47.835 --> 03:42:49.360
<v Keelan McClymont>Paragraph—.

2260
03:42:49.360 --> 03:42:53.564
<v Angelita Morillo>You had an additional paragraph 14 that was in the original one.

2261
03:42:53.788 --> 03:42:56.163
<v Jamie Dunphy>Hey, Adam, uh, the microphone's not on at the table.

2262
03:42:57.221 --> 03:42:59.307
<v Jamie Dunphy>You can say where you want it, it's just the whole thing turned on.

2263
03:42:59.451 --> 03:42:59.820
<v Heidi Brown>There we go.

2264
03:43:00.045 --> 03:43:03.190
<v Heidi Brown>Okay, um, again, Heidi Brown for the record.

2265
03:43:03.478 --> 03:43:15.674
<v Heidi Brown>Um, so Councilor Crammellin, you had— and Kanal, you had, um, you had it added in paragraph 14 which explained why you need the Parks and Rec Recreation center, senior center project.

2266
03:43:16.225 --> 03:43:23.496
<v Heidi Brown>However, I think that was already adopted in the amendment from Councilor Murillo that you just all did, so I don't know that you need 14.

2267
03:43:26.261 --> 03:43:26.826
<v Angelita Morillo>You could just—.

2268
03:43:26.826 --> 03:43:30.076
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Kanal, if it's okay with you, I'd like to withdraw this amendment.

2269
03:43:31.030 --> 03:43:31.933
<v Angelita Morillo>Yep.

2270
03:43:32.127 --> 03:43:35.112
<v Heidi Brown>Oh, I'm sorry, I just meant the one, that one paragraph is all.

2271
03:43:36.613 --> 03:43:40.228
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, councilor is withdrawing the amendments for now.

2272
03:43:40.569 --> 03:43:41.586
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, thank you both.

2273
03:43:43.110 --> 03:43:44.564
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, further discussion of the underlying?

2274
03:43:49.209 --> 03:43:52.727
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

2275
03:43:52.855 --> 03:43:53.275
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

2276
03:43:53.502 --> 03:44:22.352
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, restoring some of these positions, police and public safety and fire, has been the priority for me, and I think that, uh, between the 2 groups and those of you who sponsored these, you've created some interesting approaches, and I appreciate that Councilor Murillo placed some more public safety into the 222.

2277
03:44:22.641 --> 03:44:31.924
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am, like Councilor Clark alluded to earlier, going to think through this first reading about what this would look like.

2278
03:44:33.198 --> 03:44:50.941
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because on the one hand, when Council President Elana Pirtle-Guiney and Steve Novick changed out the funding source of their own— well, not you, President, but of their own ordinance, I think it really created a funding from where question for me, and that's problematic.

2279
03:44:51.471 --> 03:45:03.674
<v Eric Zimmerman>And while I may not prefer the one that was written by the peacocks of this organization, I do appreciate that you've at least identified I don't think it's the most responsible funding source, but it is at least a funding source.

2280
03:45:03.738 --> 03:45:09.085
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I've never passed a budget before or any budget item where we didn't actually know where the money was coming from.

2281
03:45:10.002 --> 03:45:22.204
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so while a couple of councilors have continued to try and say that this was some sort of linguistic thing to try and catch another councilor in a lie, I think they've actually introduced a poison pill, and I'm very concerned about that.

2282
03:45:22.429 --> 03:45:23.311
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so— I think it's a very good point.

2283
03:45:24.291 --> 03:45:25.288
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm going to wrestle with this.

2284
03:45:25.641 --> 03:45:33.290
<v Eric Zimmerman>I found one of the explanations that was given by staff about where this could be funded in the future to be inadequate.

2285
03:45:33.370 --> 03:45:51.397
<v Eric Zimmerman>And instead of trying to wrestle either budget or legal authority on the dais, I'm going to use my time to have a private staff meeting with the budget office, with the attorney's office, to better understand what the outcomes of these 2 different ordinances are.

2286
03:45:51.461 --> 03:45:51.655
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2287
03:45:51.781 --> 03:45:56.019
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I have appreciation to the councilor who brought today's amendment.

2288
03:45:56.114 --> 03:46:06.899
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think you made it a better thing, even though it's a larger thing, which is a concern for me because of the out-year use of the interest, which has been used in general fund.

2289
03:46:06.948 --> 03:46:12.823
<v Eric Zimmerman>I do think there will be a larger hit in the next year, but I think it was a responsible compromise package.

2290
03:46:13.111 --> 03:46:25.281
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I guess a few of us have been now on the well, receiving end of being told one thing to then see a sponsor do another thing.

2291
03:46:25.618 --> 03:46:29.382
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I was watching that in real time yesterday in disbelief.

2292
03:46:29.703 --> 03:46:32.877
<v Eric Zimmerman>And now it has put me quite literally on the line.

2293
03:46:32.924 --> 03:46:34.799
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'm glad my name was not on either one.

2294
03:46:34.863 --> 03:47:10.188
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I'm going to spend my week considering what is most appropriate to restore public safety positions and make sure that we don't become a city that has not got shifts being filled by police, that we are not a city that doesn't actually send our young officers to training to make sure that we are a community who continues to respond to all sorts of calls, critical calls, lower-rank calls, that we are a place that has trained police officers, trained PS3s, and the staff behind them to help them do their jobs.

2295
03:47:10.695 --> 03:47:19.639
<v Eric Zimmerman>So this has been a tough one to watch some of you, I think, make the hamburger and then burn it on the grill and forget about it and screw it up.

2296
03:47:19.880 --> 03:47:20.524
<v Eric Zimmerman>But here we are.

2297
03:47:21.264 --> 03:47:32.323
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I hope that I hear some good stuff from the budget office and from the attorneys on the outcomes of some of these amendments and what actually is being funded.

2298
03:47:32.371 --> 03:47:36.658
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because right now, like I said, I've never had a budget document that actually doesn't describe what's being funded.

2299
03:47:36.708 --> 03:47:36.805
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

2300
03:47:37.836 --> 03:47:42.878
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so 223 right now is a very concerning one for me.

2301
03:47:42.942 --> 03:47:45.058
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I request some staff assistance on that.

2302
03:47:45.123 --> 03:47:45.350
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thanks.

2303
03:47:46.335 --> 03:47:47.594
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

2304
03:47:47.644 --> 03:47:48.272
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

2305
03:47:49.967 --> 03:47:50.951
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

2306
03:47:51.581 --> 03:47:59.019
<v Steve Novick>Councilor Zimmerman, just responding to Councilor Zimmerman, I want to point out that our proposal never said money will come from CBPA underspending.

2307
03:47:59.523 --> 03:48:02.438
<v Steve Novick>We couldn't do that because we couldn't guarantee there'd be CBPA underspending.

2308
03:48:02.967 --> 03:48:07.781
<v Steve Novick>And we couldn't— we weren't going to cut the budget of the CBPA because that would be against the charter.

2309
03:48:08.424 --> 03:48:20.156
<v Steve Novick>Our measure started off by saying underspending, if it exists, and yes, take a look at the CBPA, and then the PCF interest as a backup to that.

2310
03:48:20.781 --> 03:48:25.757
<v Steve Novick>And all that the amendment yesterday did was say underspending, if it exists.

2311
03:48:26.078 --> 03:48:28.148
<v Steve Novick>It didn't call out one potential source of underspending.

2312
03:48:28.933 --> 03:48:45.334
<v Steve Novick>So substantively, um, there was no— there was no substantive change made yesterday, just removing the, um, the fact— just changing the fact that instead of one reference to one potential source of underspending, it refers to all general fund underspending in general.

2313
03:48:46.108 --> 03:48:49.975
<v Steve Novick>So, and again, it always had PSAP interest as backup.

2314
03:48:51.887 --> 03:48:52.759
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2315
03:48:53.583 --> 03:48:54.826
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2316
03:48:54.876 --> 03:48:55.408
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morial.

2317
03:48:57.763 --> 03:48:58.389
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, everyone.

2318
03:48:58.663 --> 03:49:15.168
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm actually genuinely confused now about what people are mad about, so I hope we can discuss that later, because I think that we have come a long way in the past few weeks from the original GAM 1 amendment that was introduced to negotiating that to negotiating all of these ordinances.

2319
03:49:16.147 --> 03:49:27.371
<v Angelita Morillo>And again, I want to reiterate and maybe echo some of what Councilor Novick said is that We don't know what the underspend for some of these agencies in the city is going to be.

2320
03:49:27.777 --> 03:49:35.898
<v Angelita Morillo>We do know what the PSF interest is right now, which again, as of this morning, we found out was $2 million more than we knew yesterday.

2321
03:49:36.549 --> 03:49:39.868
<v Angelita Morillo>So this is a much more sure and clear pot of money.

2322
03:49:40.611 --> 03:49:47.088
<v Angelita Morillo>And again, if there is underspend later, we can use that to correct the PSF interest if people are so inclined.

2323
03:49:47.154 --> 03:49:47.528
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

2324
03:49:48.088 --> 03:49:49.968
<v Angelita Morillo>It doesn't make sense to do it the other way around.

2325
03:49:51.061 --> 03:49:56.316
<v Angelita Morillo>So I am very grateful for the folks up here who— I know it's been a tough few weeks for a lot of us.

2326
03:49:56.509 --> 03:50:01.458
<v Angelita Morillo>It's been a lot of hard negotiations, and I didn't get everything I wanted out of this.

2327
03:50:01.585 --> 03:50:13.748
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not my favorite thing in the world, but I think that we're going to save some city employees and save some core services while we plan for the future about what to do with our revenue moving forward, because that's a big discussion that this council needs to have.

2328
03:50:14.583 --> 03:50:22.406
<v Angelita Morillo>So thank you, colleagues, for being willing to be gracious and have those hard discussions because none of this is easy, and I appreciate your time.

2329
03:50:23.559 --> 03:50:24.345
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2330
03:50:24.602 --> 03:50:25.645
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

2331
03:50:26.525 --> 03:50:33.114
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, first, thanks to Councilor Koyama Lane for, for trying to help save those jobs, those last 2 that we were just talking about there.

2332
03:50:34.541 --> 03:50:35.424
<v Sameer Kanal>Makes sense to withdraw.

2333
03:50:35.504 --> 03:50:39.334
<v Sameer Kanal>Does not appear that it has a path to a 7th vote, so I appreciate that.

2334
03:50:39.575 --> 03:50:41.213
<v Sameer Kanal>I still think it would have been the right thing to do.

2335
03:50:41.663 --> 03:50:43.236
<v Sameer Kanal>We can talk about that more later.

2336
03:50:44.313 --> 03:50:59.438
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to just first appreciate the willingness, because I don't really know why there's some push to Councilor Novick or Pirtle-Guiney for voting for that amendment last night, but just appreciate them being willing to do that and to work with us.

2337
03:50:59.486 --> 03:51:02.986
<v Sameer Kanal>I've found that those conversations have been productive.

2338
03:51:03.034 --> 03:51:10.280
<v Sameer Kanal>And again, that's why I put a lot of the blame on How we don't allow for everyone to be involved in these conversations all the time with the public meetings law.

2339
03:51:11.371 --> 03:51:16.225
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I think there's a, there's a, uh, a distinction here.

2340
03:51:16.386 --> 03:51:20.675
<v Sameer Kanal>It is neither, in my opinion, a meaningless change, nor is it a poison pill.

2341
03:51:21.334 --> 03:51:23.665
<v Sameer Kanal>It's that it no longer targets a specific bureau.

2342
03:51:23.825 --> 03:51:27.793
<v Sameer Kanal>We all have different views on that, and I recognize that, but I— and we can get into that more later.

2343
03:51:27.923 --> 03:51:32.097
<v Sameer Kanal>But that is, is a third option, and that's how I view what was And what was done yesterday.

2344
03:51:32.658 --> 03:51:39.695
<v Sameer Kanal>Getting back to the, um, the underlying ordinances, I think it's important to talk about having clear sources of funding.

2345
03:51:40.593 --> 03:51:47.263
<v Sameer Kanal>I think that, that's, that's, uh, a commitment we need to have, um, and we achieve it.

2346
03:51:47.343 --> 03:51:53.788
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's, it's fair to say, as Councilor Murillo did multiple times now, that there's, there's a known amount of money.

2347
03:51:53.835 --> 03:51:57.250
<v Sameer Kanal>It's not just clear in terms of where it's coming from, but we actually know how much the there is.

2348
03:51:58.645 --> 03:51:59.575
<v Sameer Kanal>It saves more jobs.

2349
03:52:00.311 --> 03:52:10.540
<v Sameer Kanal>It requires the evaluation so that we're not going blind into further reductions of positions over the course of the year.

2350
03:52:11.068 --> 03:52:30.870
<v Sameer Kanal>There are a great number of things that are not financial as well that are in this, and I hope that we get to see a hopefully slightly larger version of that comparison table That was in Councilor Murillo's slides with the distinctions between these 2 ordinances, and Councilor Green laid it out as well yesterday.

2351
03:52:31.351 --> 03:52:35.584
<v Sameer Kanal>But there are things that are not financial that are in 2026-222.

2352
03:52:35.697 --> 03:52:37.684
<v Sameer Kanal>So, and that's why I'll be supporting it.

2353
03:52:37.844 --> 03:52:57.092
<v Sameer Kanal>I hope that we're able to continue this conversation and hopefully come to a place where that's an option when we're having the conversation around getting enough information to do this job right, not just in this moment around this particular set of potential ordinance votes, but for the processes of staff adjustments that are happening over the course of the year.

2354
03:52:57.397 --> 03:52:57.575
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

2355
03:52:58.927 --> 03:52:59.184
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2356
03:52:59.250 --> 03:53:00.328
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, last word.

2357
03:53:01.745 --> 03:53:02.003
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

2358
03:53:02.084 --> 03:53:13.990
<v Mitch Green>Just back to 222 as the underlying, um, I just want to appreciate the moment we're in because where we were a year ago, we did not have City Administrator Raymond Lee.

2359
03:53:15.041 --> 03:53:19.581
<v Mitch Green>We hired a city administrator that was a permanent hire A very competitive process.

2360
03:53:19.646 --> 03:53:22.275
<v Mitch Green>And that's no shade against the previous interim city administrator.

2361
03:53:22.371 --> 03:53:23.638
<v Mitch Green>He did the job he had to do.

2362
03:53:24.280 --> 03:53:47.875
<v Mitch Green>But a big part of what this ordinance is here to do, and similar ordinances, I think both ordinances on the table are addressing that, like, there were some gaps that were created by the mayor's budget, multiple ways to try to address those gaps, recognizing that, um, no, it's not prudent to just always grab some one-time money and, and and plug some holes in the boats, but sometimes you have to plug the holes in the boats or else you sink.

2363
03:53:48.677 --> 03:53:56.289
<v Mitch Green>And so it's— sometimes you have to step up and say, we do want to save these things right now because we're worried about the consequences of not doing so.

2364
03:53:56.786 --> 03:54:03.336
<v Mitch Green>And we have Raymond, who will have the full benefit of being here from the jump.

2365
03:54:03.995 --> 03:54:07.432
<v Mitch Green>He's going to hire his change management people, and we have an opportunity.

2366
03:54:07.784 --> 03:54:09.470
<v Mitch Green>And through this, if this ordinance passes, Thank you.

2367
03:54:10.198 --> 03:54:14.691
<v Mitch Green>To create a very clear roadmap to say, all right, we're going to come together with labor.

2368
03:54:15.192 --> 03:54:17.375
<v Mitch Green>We're going to talk about how to find those efficiencies together.

2369
03:54:18.219 --> 03:54:22.432
<v Mitch Green>So that way, when we're here next time, it doesn't feel so clunky.

2370
03:54:23.176 --> 03:54:25.963
<v Mitch Green>And that's a big opportunity for the City of Portland.

2371
03:54:26.579 --> 03:54:27.795
<v Mitch Green>And I know it's been a rough process.

2372
03:54:29.753 --> 03:54:34.795
<v Mitch Green>I know a lot of people are watching right now to the very last word and just really hope we get it done.

2373
03:54:35.101 --> 03:54:35.310
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

2374
03:54:36.023 --> 03:54:39.327
<v Mitch Green>I do want to clarify, do we have to do an emergency ordinance next week?

2375
03:54:39.810 --> 03:54:39.891
<v Mitch Green>No.

2376
03:54:40.198 --> 03:54:42.534
<v Mitch Green>Okay, so it's a 7-vote next week.

2377
03:54:42.583 --> 03:54:49.310
<v Jamie Dunphy>But budget adjustments go into effect immediately, so we don't have the 30-day worry about— like we would with a normal ordinance.

2378
03:54:49.391 --> 03:54:49.649
<v Mitch Green>Great.

2379
03:54:49.763 --> 03:54:55.671
<v Mitch Green>So I would propose that we— nobody consider any other future amendments going forward.

2380
03:54:55.718 --> 03:55:00.424
<v Mitch Green>So we just need to close the chapter on this and make an up or down choice between the two.

2381
03:55:00.554 --> 03:55:02.279
<v Mitch Green>So, and I'm with you and you're right.

2382
03:55:02.641 --> 03:55:03.444
<v Mitch Green>So thank you.

2383
03:55:03.831 --> 03:55:04.938
<v Mitch Green>I'll leave you with that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, with that, no one else in the queue.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I now move both of these ordinances to second reading, be heard next week.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>With that, that completes our agenda and we are adjourned.