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Candace Avalos 5:23 - 5:32

5:23Okay, good afternoon.

5:24I will call the meeting of the Housing and Permitting Committee to order.

5:28It is Tuesday, May 5th at 2:01 PM.

5:31Diego, please call the roll.

Unidentified speaker 5:33 - 5:34

5:33Good afternoon.

Candace Avalos 5:35 - 5:36

5:35Pirtle-Guiney.

Unidentified speaker 5:44 - 5:46

5:44Present.

Mitch Green 5:47 - 5:48

5:47Here.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 5:48 - 5:49

5:48Here.

Unidentified speaker 5:50 - 5:51

5:50Here.

5:51Avalos?

Candace Avalos 5:52 - 5:52

5:52Present.

Unidentified speaker 5:53 - 5:54

5:53And I see Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 5:54 - 5:55

5:54I'm here.

Candace Avalos 5:56 - 5:58

5:56Okay, Claire, can you please read the statement of conduct?

Keelan McClymont 6:00 - 7:05

6:00Good afternoon and welcome to the meeting of the Housing and Permitting Committee.

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6:50Additionally, the committee may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

6:54Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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7:01And finally, virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the clerk calls your name.

7:05Thank you.

Candace Avalos 7:06 - 7:37

7:06Thank you, Claire.

7:07We have 4 items on our agenda today.

7:10First, we will have some time for public comments on housing and permitting issues of concern or interest.

7:15Then we will have 2 executive items, an emergency ordinance from the Housing Bureau on a property conveyance and Portland Permitting and Development's updated fee schedule.

7:24And for the second half of the meeting, we will have a panel discussion with the affordable housing providers on the current conditions of our affordable housing system.

7:32We'll take a quick break before the panel as well.

7:35Um, Diego, please read the first item.

Unidentified speaker 7:38 - 7:41

7:38Item 1, housing and permitting community feedback.

Candace Avalos 7:41 - 7:51

7:41All right, so we are now going to hear from community members on their concerns, ideas, or feedback regarding housing and permitting issues.

7:48Each testifier will have 3 minutes.

7:49Diego, please call up the first person.

Unidentified speaker 7:52 - 8:05

7:52We have 3 individuals signed up.

7:54First, Andrew Mendenhall, MD, Molly Hogan, Benjamin Gilbert.

8:03And you're welcome to begin when you're ready, once you're at the dais.

Candace Avalos 8:06 - 8:10

8:06Yeah.

8:08Thank you.

8:10Go ahead.

Loretta Smith 8:10 - 9:23

8:10Good afternoon, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Greene, members of the committee.

8:14Thanks for the time today to talk about the affordable housing challenge that is thank you.

8:23Thank you, Mayor.

8:23Thank you, Councilor Smith, for the introduction.

8:24I'm Dr. Andy Methenhall.

8:26I serve as the executive director and CEO of Central City Concern.

8:30And in Central— at Central City Concern in 2025, we provided housing to more than 4,500 people across a portfolio that is 2,400-plus units in size.

8:43We also provided healthcare to almost 12,000 folks during that time.

8:47And more than two-thirds of the folks that we are housing and providing healthcare services to are just a month ago, I was here speaking to you about the destabilization that is being experienced by not just Central City Concern, but many other deeply affordable and affordable housing providers.

9:10You're gonna hear from many others today.

9:13So I'm privileged to be able to speak first today, at least in this segment.

9:16And we are very grateful at Central City Concern for the $8.8 million that was allocated for stabilization.

Unidentified speaker 9:23 - 9:23

9:23But I wanna point out that the need is much greater than that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 9:23 - 9:23

9:23Thank you.

Loretta Smith 9:24 - 15:16

9:24Network for Oregon Affordable Housing has published an assessment in early 2025 that the Portland region needs over $200 million in just the metro region alone for stabilization of affordable housing and affordable housing providers.

9:39And this is because of the inflationary costs that are associated with doing this work.

9:45And those inflationary pressures have very much pressed beyond any individual nonprofit or affordable housing provider's ability to fundraise and/or address gaps on a grant-by-grant basis.

10:01It's important for us to be thinking about how do we fully sustain and meaningfully sustain affordable housing across the industry.

10:08Since the pandemic, costs for staffing at Central City Concern for our workforce, insurance, security needs related to behavioral health acuity that's going untreated in these environments, growing healthcare and case management needs, as well as construction and maintenance on many other older buildings, have outpaced the growth of public funding, and that's very much why I'm here.

10:31It's important to know that the staff that work in these environments are truly the unsung heroes.

10:37I get to be a leader.

10:37I'm privileged to be a leader and a spokesperson, and those staff are doing their best to connect tenants with the right services.

10:44But unfortunately, far too often, Councilor Smith.

10:48Those services don't have a lot of options, and that leads to a lot of the challenges that place people at risk for reentry into homelessness.

10:57One-time funding has become overly commonplace, but it is not a structural response, which is very much what we're asking to be elevated today.

11:05We're asking for a structural preservation strategy to be a priority of interest for the committee, if you're open to that, we're grateful.

11:16And really thinking about long-term investment as a core strategy for preservation, in particular for the 0 to 30% deeply affordable housing continuum within our region.

11:27Thank you very much.

11:30Thank you.

11:34Hello, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, and committee members.

11:38Thank you for the opportunity to provide public comment today.

11:41My name is Molly Hogan, and I'm with the Welcome Home Coalition Housing Justice Alliance in the Portland Metro.

11:48I want to thank Councilor Avalos and Councilor Green for both responding to our Finding Home petition signed by over 2,000 people that we brought to all council offices in December 2025.

11:59The petition asked that the city fund eviction prevention to stop the flood of families and individuals losing their housing every month.

12:06It also asked that the city use more public funds to purchase existing apartment buildings and hotels from the private sector and and convert them to non-market housing to make more truly affordable apartments.

12:18The ordinance Council passed on April 15th has funding for both these solutions, so thank you both again for your leadership.

12:25That said, I'm here today to make sure you all hear that the way you ensure the next crucial step— getting the money into real-world action— is essential if you hope to earn back trust from a very disillusioned public.

12:39Community members and organizations getting requests for housing help have been asking me how they can access the funds the city passed.

12:47I have no answer for them.

12:49Please use your positional power to ensure that the Portland Housing Bureau either use its existing infrastructure from COVID times or send the money to Multnomah County.

12:58Both already are systems that are set up to get rent assistance funds out and into orgs working directly with households.

13:05There is no need to wait another 5 minutes— 5 minutes, no, 5 months to help people stay and get housed.

13:13I also want to uplift some of the recommendations from our Finding Home report that came from input of over 600 people experiencing homelessness in the Portland Metro that we released last October.

13:24These are related to system experience of transitioning from homelessness to housing.

13:29Number 1, streamline the housing access process, simplify eligibility requirements, and use universal intake forms across all 3 counties and organizations.

13:39Create a publicly available centralized single list of available non-market and below-market rate housing that's updated regularly.

13:47Universal lease language required for publicly funded housing providers— same lease language for everybody, simplified.

13:56We know that people need support after transitioning to housing after homelessness.

14:00And when you listen to people who have recently made the transition, folks often talk about the loneliness of being in a studio apartment and living next door to strangers that they feel like is judging them.

14:11The following are some creative and logical ideas people have to address the issues that affordable housing providers like Central City and their tenants are experiencing.

14:22One, when clearing encampments, social workers should identify if there are residents of the encampment who would like to stay neighbors.

14:28And house them on a floor together in an apartment building.

14:322, Make sure public funding supports non-market housing providers to be able to hire multiple onsite staff, onsite staff to coordinate social activities and connect residents to services.

14:433, Make sure public funding supports non-police responders that can show up at apartment buildings, not just on the street, to assist in conflict and mental health crisis.

14:52Community safety increases with more social cohesion in apartment complexes, and neighbors feel better equipped to help neighbors in crisis if they have reliable professionals professionals to call upon.

15:02So at the end of the day, housing alone is not going to cure all society's crises that our society has created, but it is an essential human need to create safety and better health and to allow someone the breathing room to concentrate on thriving instead of surviving.

15:15Thank you.

Candace Avalos 15:17 - 15:17

15:17Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 15:21 - 16:03

15:21Hello, committee members.

15:22My name is Benjamin Gilbert, and I'm a volunteer lobbyist for the Portland Democratic Socialists of America.

15:27And while I am a familiar face, I apologize that I'm not wearing my specialist interest t-shirt.

15:33In a historic move, the Portland City Council created and capitalized a social housing revolving loan fund.

15:38Please protect this money.

15:40It is small and should be expanded, not dipped into as a funding source.

15:44Furthermore, we need a renters' bill of rights.

15:46Costs for tenants are out of control, and the number one reason why people are ending on the street— ending up on the street is because they're evicted.

15:57Thank you for your work.

15:59Thank you for your time.

16:02That concludes testimony.

Candace Avalos 16:04 - 17:12

16:04Thank you 3 for being here and sharing your perspective.

16:08Um, if you have any follow-up materials, please do send those over.

16:12Okay, um, Diego, can you please read the next item?

16:16Item 2, authorize conveyance of city-owned real property to Habitat for Humanity Portland/Metro East, all right, so next we're going to move into the True North Habitat Conveyance Ordinance.

16:31This item authorizes the city to transfer property to support the development of permanently affordable homeownership opportunities.

16:39It's an important piece of our broader strategy to expand access to homeownership, especially for first-time buyers and communities historically excluded from the market.

16:47I also want to note that this is a time-sensitive item tied to the approval of the development agreement.

16:51So timely action is critical to keep the project on track.

16:57The project is being advanced in partnership with Habitat for Humanity with a focus on long-term affordability and stability for families.

17:04And we're going to hear today about the site, the development plan, and the overall impact.

17:09So I will go ahead and turn it over to staff for the presentation.

17:11Thank you for being here.

Unidentified speaker 17:12 - 26:16

17:12Thank you, Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, councilors.

17:15Michael Bonaccor, interim director for the Portland Housing Bureau.

17:19It's a pleasure to be here today to tell you about the project.

17:22True North, which is a project that Habitat for Humanity Portland Region will develop as a new affordable homeownership development in the University Park neighborhood of North Portland.

17:34The development will be on a 3-acre site currently owned by the city, which will be transferred at financial closing.

17:42The proposed transfer of city-owned land will deliver 50 affordable homeownership units, 100% of which will be family-sized.

17:49Second.

17:50We want to thank Habitat for being here today and for their partnership in developing much-needed affordable homeownership opportunities with us, with Metro, and other funders.

18:02So the purpose of this ordinance, under the new form of government, the city administrator is authorized to approve Portland Housing Bureau financing and delegate authority to the PHB director to execute PHB financing documents.

18:18However, property dispositions require an ordinance and approval of City Council to authorize the city administrator to delegate authority to the PHB director to execute those disposition agreements.

18:31And that's why we're here today.

18:32The purpose is for you to authorize the transfer of the 3-acre parcel currently owned by PHB to Habitat for the construction of True North.

18:45A bit of background.

18:46In 2019, the Portland Housing Bureau purchased a 3-acre parcel in North Portland from the Portland Water Bureau to support the development of new affordable homeownership opportunities.

18:56PHB also sought to meet the North Northeast Neighborhood Housing Strategy to acquire land for permanently affordable housing and address the community's strong desire to preserve property within the interstate corridor urban renewal area for the development of affordable housing.

19:14In 2022, we made the land available as part of a notice of funding availability and paired the land with Metro Housing Bond and Interstate Corridor Urban Renewal Tax Increment Financing funds.

19:27PHB, along with a selection committee of community members, selected Habitat's proposal for True North.

19:33PHB and Habitat executed an award letter conditionally awarding Metro Housing Bond and ICRA funds TIF funds in addition to the transfer of the site.

19:44In June 2025, Portland Housing Bureau's, uh, Housing Investment Committee approved financing of up to just over $8 million and the transfer of the site to Habitat for the purchases of constructing True North.

19:58Uh, True North will be located in the University Park neighborhood of North Portland, and Habitat will partner with Proud Ground, a local nonprofit community land trust, who will provide long-term program stewardship, which will include homebuyer education and monitoring homebuyer eligibility and home sale affordability.

20:16The project will be 100% family-sized units with all units restricted to North-Northeast Preference Policy households at initial sale.

20:24Habitat will enter into a regulatory agreement with PHB in accordance with city policies to maintain affordability for 60 years.

20:32Next slide.

20:35So at initial sale, 25 units will be affordable to households earning up to 60% of area median income, which is about $74,460 for a family of 4.

20:4825 Units will be affordable to households earning up to 80% of area median income, which is around $99,000 for a family of 4.

20:56After initial sale, all homes will be regulated at 80% AMI, So PHB will regulate the property for 60 years, but an affordability covenant will be recorded on each home, which will guarantee affordability in perpetuity.

21:12The total units will include 20 2-bedroom, 19 3-bedroom, and 11 4-bedroom units.

21:21Amenities and timeline.

21:22Amenities will include 50 off-street parking spaces, 3 shared outdoor common areas, as well as a small— as well as small landscaped areas off for each unit and centrally located walkway that connects to Peninsula Crossing Trail.

21:39The project is pursuing Earth Advantage Net Zero Ready certification and will be solar ready.

21:46Some specific features include high-efficiency heat pumps for heating and cooling, WaterSense plumbing fixtures, and Energy Star appliances.

21:54Construction will start this June, and the first phase of homes are projected to begin selling in 2028.

22:00Thank you.

22:01Construction is scheduled to be fully completed in 2029.

22:07So our request to all of you is to approve the conveyance of city-owned property to Habitat for Humanity Portland Region and to authorize the city administrator to execute a disposition and development agreement and any other documents as may be required to convey the property to Habitat, subject to the approval as to form of such documents by the city attorney's office.

22:27Second.

22:29So with that, I will stop probably having stolen all of Steve's talking points and turn it over to him.

22:36Mostly.

22:37Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, members of the committee, thank you for your service to our city and for your support of affordable housing and affordable homeownership.

22:45I'm Steve Messinetti, President and CEO of Habitat for Humanity Portland Region, and I've been— had the privilege of serving in this role for about 22 years.

22:54During which we've built about 500 homes for over 2,000 people in our region, with a majority of those being sold to households under 60% AMI, which I'll highlight a little bit more.

23:06We were thrilled a couple years ago when we were selected to be the developers for the Cary Boulevard site that later became known as True North.

23:16This will be our 3rd project in partnership with the city through the the first 2 were completed and sold between 2020 and 2023.

23:2741 Of the 42 families who've purchased those homes are still in their homes successfully.

23:31One family decided to move out of state, so also a success.

23:36As Michael shared, we are building 50 homes on this site, all family-sized homes.

23:43We expect over 190 people to be living in this community when it's fully done.

23:502 Of the homes will be fully ADA-accessible single-story homes, which is a need in our community, and many of the other homes will also be visitable.

23:59We'll also have 52 parking spaces in the community, including 2 accessible spaces.

24:05And I think what's maybe most exciting about this for me is, is how this is a coming together of public and private at the public level, in addition to the city through TIF and Metro bond funds, we have a large grant from the state of Oregon, Oregon Housing Community Services LIFT funds of $6.7 million, and through Senator Merkley and Wyden, appropriations of $1 million towards the project.

24:30And all of those resources come together combined with private donations and support from OnPoint Credit Union, our Bank for the project, which will provide not only financing at below market but also financing to the buyers at below market with their mortgages, allow us to serve lower-income households.

24:48The average homebuyer of our homes that we're building right now have an income of under $58,000 a year.

24:56As was shared, our goal is to have at least half of these homes sold to households under 60% AMI, and I think you know what that means folks at that income level are much more at risk of displacement.

25:09They're typically paying more than 50% of their income to afford rent in our community and are experiencing all of the other challenges of being rent burdened, including frequent moves and not really having enough for other basic life necessities.

25:24What that also means is that our target of serving communities of color are also more easy to meet when we're serving serving a majority of lower-income households, which is what we've been able to see in terms of over, over our history of serving more than 70% of households of color.

25:43Finally, I just would share that we've already gone through an extensive community engagement process on this project.

25:48We engaged Camille Trummer from Interplay to do a community engagement which ended in both the naming of the thank you.

25:57So we had a very small pilot project, but we had over 200 participants, mostly through folks who've applied to the preference policy.

26:0484% were African American households, give input, which helped to define the design of the site.

26:12I think I'll close there and entertain questions.

26:15Thank you very much.

Candace Avalos 26:19 - 26:43

26:19Thank you very much for the presentation.

26:21So Colleagues, any questions?

26:26Before, as people get in the queue, I'll just say thank you.

26:30I think this is a really great opportunity to really plus up our homeownership opportunities in the city.

26:37So I'm grateful that that's part of our portfolio.

26:40So thanks for that work.

26:41We've got Vice Chair Green in the queue.

26:43Go ahead.

Mitch Green 26:45 - 26:50

26:45Thank you, Chair Avalos.

26:46I'm actually going to defer to the councilor from District 2.

26:49To go first?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 26:50 - 26:56

26:50Apologies, I'm not in the queue for questions, just for when we get to the opportunity to talk about this project.

Candace Avalos 26:56 - 26:57

26:56Okay, great.

Mitch Green 26:57 - 27:34

26:57Then I'll proceed.

26:59I just have a question.

27:02So just based on the background, PHP purchased the site in 2019.

27:07I know that you were not the director at the time, but I'm sure there's some staff here.

27:11Was this contemplated, was this transaction contemplated as part of a sort of like proto land banking strategy to support specifically this type of thing, or was it sort of a convenience purchase, or were you working with Proud Ground all the way back then?

27:25I'm just curious to understand a little bit more about how we got to here and how that connects to our kind of future thinking on how land banking supports stuff like this.

Unidentified speaker 27:35 - 27:45

27:35Sure.

27:36Well, without the benefit of full institutional knowledge, as you acknowledged, Councilor, I'll do my best.

27:42Kara, do you feel like you have this history as well if I mess it up?

Candace Avalos 27:46 - 27:46

27:46Mm-hmm.

Unidentified speaker 27:46 - 28:36

27:46Okay, great.

27:47So I believe that the intention when this was purchased was for— with the intention that it would be for homeownership.

27:56I don't believe any specific partners were identified because there would be a solicitation process.

28:03And I think the other thing that this touches on from a strategic perspective, as I mentioned earlier, is that this was a purchase, I believe, from the Portland Water Bureau.

28:14So, you know, I know there's interest in understanding what sorts of public lands are available, both from the city and other, potentially other jurisdictions, as we look to develop a land banking strategy.

28:24So I feel like this is an example of some early leadership that could be looked to around some of what we're contemplating moving forward.

28:33Is there anything I missed or misrepresented?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 28:36 - 28:49

28:36Thank you.

28:37My name is Cara Hamilton.

28:39I think also, you spoke to earlier that the goal was to address some of the goals of the North Northeast Housing Strategy and to preserve land to be permanently affordable for homeownership.

28:49Yes.

Mitch Green 28:50 - 29:52

28:50Yeah, thank you.

28:51So, so it does seem like this was sort of an early recognition that if you want to preserve affordability, you need to kind of make hay while the sun shines, take advantage of opportunities to purchase, recognizing that in the future prices almost always rise.

29:05They're not— we're not making new land.

29:07Right.

29:08So kudos to the foresight there.

29:11On a technical basis, I'm curious, you know, obviously there's no property tax for this, but I'm curious what the sort of real market value of this transaction would be and how that kind of plays into the capital stack.

29:24And obviously that's a big part of how you get to the affordability metrics you are there.

29:28I see on the Portland Maps Online there's an exemption of 5.

29:33$4 Million for 2025, that seems large.

29:36It was 9— it was almost $1 million a year prior to that.

29:39So just kind of trying to get a sense from a capital stack financing piece, how much of this makes a difference in the total final cost?

29:51And it's okay if you don't have an answer right now.

Loretta Smith 29:53 - 29:53

29:53No, that's okay.

Unidentified speaker 29:53 - 30:42

29:53There was the, uh, uh, staff did a great job of anticipating some questions, so I'll answer I'll provide what I have here and see if that gets fully at what you're asking, Councilor.

30:05So the Water Bureau and PHB agreed to a transfer price of $3.35 million, which was based on appraisal done in 2017.

30:18The actual amount PHB paid the Water Bureau at the time of transfer was $138,400.

30:28$2,400,000, which was the value of the asset that the Water Bureau had in their records at the time of transfers so that both bureaus' books were balanced.

30:37The current appraised value in December of 2025 was appraised at $2.8 million.

Mitch Green 30:44 - 31:09

30:44Okay, that's very helpful.

30:45So that's about $40,000 per unit that you would've otherwise had to come up with for your capital stack that you don't have to.

30:53In this case.

30:54All right, uh, that's it for now.

30:56I'm just really grateful to see this coming here.

30:59I think this is a step in the right direction for, um, our— we've had a lot of conversations about homeownership opportunities in the city of Portland.

31:06So, um, thanks.

31:07Looking forward to the discussion and debate.

Candace Avalos 31:11 - 31:12

31:11Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 31:13 - 31:15

31:13And are you wanting to do full discussion now, or—.

Candace Avalos 31:15 - 31:22

31:15Oh, and is that public testimony?

31:17And I was about to say, and I forgot to there is no public testimony, so we can go ahead into questions and discussion.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 31:23 - 34:45

31:23Perfect.

31:25Um, colleagues, as you may have picked up on, I'm often very skeptical of us disposing of property, and in this case, I am so very excited that we are disposing of this property that I signed on as a co-sponsor.

31:40Um, we've talked a lot about how to help stabilize families and how to ensure that families can afford a place to live in the long run.

31:50And homeownership is one of the ways that we can do that while also helping families build wealth.

31:56And the idea that we can help families who are earning under $60,000 a year have the choice, have the option of homeownership, is an incredible one.

32:09The fact that every single every single one of these homes, every single one of these, of these homes is built for a family.

32:17Not just 2 bedrooms where you're squeezing your kids into sharing a room, but up to 4 bedrooms for many of these homes is incredible.

32:27The fact that we're looking at not just 1 or 2 of those larger units, but a quarter of the units almost on the property as those 4-bedroom houses and pretty evenly split between 2 and 3 bedrooms for the— for the others is incredible.

32:42And I so appreciate that this is being done through the North Northeast Preference Policy, a policy that we hear all too often housing providers struggle with, and that Habitat for Humanity has said over and over again we will be a part of.

33:00What we have before us today is a property that the city has done a lot of different things with over the years.

33:07I had the opportunity to tour this space last year and learn more about the project, learn more about what neighbors think about the project.

33:15This is a space that was for a short time one of our, one of our shelter villages.

33:24This is the space where the Portland Goats were located.

33:27Until recently, and it was serving as a productive space for our city while we waited for this project to be ready, knowing that the end goal here really was to provide housing opportunities for more Portlanders.

33:45And I think about the kids who are going to get to go through— I believe this is in the Aster K-8 catch area.

33:52Thank you.

33:53And who are going to get to be in that school for their entire 9 years of education there because their family will own their home and have that stability.

34:06And the benefit that that provides to those families, to that school community, to the community at large.

34:16And so I, I wanted to jump in the queue first to let you all know that as a District 2 representative, I'm very supportive of this project.

34:27When I got the opportunity to tour the site previously, we heard about neighbors knowing this was coming, and generally there's always questions when there's development, but generally feeling good about the project, and I hope that it can earn all of your support today as well.

34:45Thank you.

Candace Avalos 34:48 - 34:49

34:48Councilor Koyama Lane.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 34:50 - 35:21

34:50Thank you, Chair.

34:51This is so exciting.

34:53I know this is a project that I— it's been talked about all over.

34:57I heard people in Seattle talking about it, um, as a really great example for local governments partnering with community land trusts and using land banking as a strategy.

35:07Um, so very, very exciting.

35:10Um, I'm wondering how many other Is this— how many times have we done something like this?

35:16And do we have other things in the works at the city level?

Unidentified speaker 35:22 - 35:26

35:22Sure.

35:22In terms of how many times we've done this—.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 35:26 - 35:34

35:26How many times we've done something like this where we're contributing land like this for homes and land banking in this way?

Unidentified speaker 35:34 - 36:07

35:34Yeah, yeah.

35:35Well, maybe I'll start with the second question, which I'm more sure of, which is that we currently have solicitation out with a property in the Mount Tabor area where we are hopeful to see a similar kind of project like this.

35:55So we are prioritizing homeownership for that parcel of land.

36:00So it is something we want to, you know, continue to see as part of our strategy.

36:05I know Steve has said this is the third.

Candace Avalos 36:07 - 36:07

36:07Yes.

Unidentified speaker 36:09 - 36:50

36:09I guess I would add, this is the 3rd project in partnership with the city for— through the North Northeast Preference Policy with TIF funds.

36:26There's over a dozen projects that we've done in partnership with the city.

36:30We have a 50-home site that also has Metro bus Bond stops.

36:33We have a 50-unit project that also has Metro bus stops.

36:34Funds through the city in Southwest Portland right now, but that this is the only— that only one that has the land contributed.

36:42The previous projects had the funding from the city, but we purchased the land, or in many cases actually received donations of land through churches.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 36:50 - 36:59

36:50Oh, neat.

36:51And the one in Tabor, is that one similarly where we'd be providing the land or providing funds for purchasing the land?

Unidentified speaker 37:01 - 37:01

37:01Both.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 37:02 - 37:02

37:02Land?

Unidentified speaker 37:02 - 38:03

37:02Yes, both.

37:03There will be both funding and land.

37:06And as we find ourselves sort of in this interim period where we have not yet adopted the social housing study, the findings from that, we are thinking about ways that we can start to bring in some of those elements.

37:27In the meantime.

37:28And so there is strong consideration to depart from what has been our most recent model of awarding the land fully to a development versus retaining ownership.

37:44So I think when it comes to multifamily housing, you know, we're going to look more at retaining that public ownership on the, on the on the property.

37:55And then in the case of homeownership, look to more of a community land trust model.

37:59So again, that ownership is retained sort of in the public good.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 38:04 - 38:11

38:04Thank you.

38:04And you mentioned in the past, like, a church has donated land.

38:08Have we had conversations around school districts doing that ever?

Unidentified speaker 38:14 - 38:18

38:14Hmm, we've talked a lot about it.

38:16Yeah, we haven't seen it happen yet.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 38:18 - 38:21

38:18Seems like there could be more conversation, maybe some opportunity there.

Loretta Smith 38:21 - 38:21

38:21Yes.

Unidentified speaker 38:22 - 38:22

38:22Great.

Candace Avalos 38:25 - 38:26

38:25All right, Councilor Novick.

Steve Novick 38:27 - 38:36

38:27Um, I actually don't have anything to add about this project.

38:31It sounds great, but I wanted to take this opportunity to apologize again to Steve for being a lousy fundraiser when I was on the Habitat board.

Candace Avalos 38:39 - 38:42

38:39It's not accepted.

38:40That's right.

38:42Um, Councilor Green.

Mitch Green 38:44 - 39:15

38:44Thank you, Chair Avalos.

38:46Obviously, I'm going to support this.

38:48I think this is great.

38:49I'm going to echo what I just heard from Councilor Koyama Lane, trying to articulate how this connects with our broader CLT strategy.

38:59I do have a question though.

39:00So can you walk me through how the sort of equity piece works?

39:04If this is under a regulatory agreement for 60-year affordability, how does that work when someone decides to sort of move on?

39:10They don't want to live there anymore, they sell out their piece.

39:13I'm a little bit dumb on that question, so if you could help me out.

Unidentified speaker 39:16 - 40:19

39:16Want to take that?

39:17Sure.

39:17So yeah, so this is sold through a land trust model.

39:21These will be condominium ownership, which makes it a little bit more confusing from a legal perspective, but the same resale restriction applies.

39:30And these will not only be affordable for 60 years, but really in perpetuity.

39:34So that's our standard model.

39:36Of course, That's right.

39:36That meets the 60 years and beyond.

39:39The way that essentially gets structured is that the original buyer is able to resell the house at the equivalent of a 2% appreciation, if you will, share every year.

39:50So if the house was purchased at $200,000 and they wanted to sell it after 1 year, they could sell it for $204,000.

39:58And it's just that simple math.

39:592% Per year is the sharing formula.

40:01They of course also get all of the equity they pay into that house, which actually is higher than typical because they have lower taxes because of the land trust model.

40:11They have a lower interest rate because we purchased down the interest rate.

40:14So most of their principal is going to pay down their mortgage, which is earned equity as well.

Mitch Green 40:21 - 41:01

40:21Thank you.

40:21I, I, I, I think I was like 80% there.

40:24Now I'm, uh, now I'm 100% there.

40:25That's really important for me to understand and for folks looking along.

40:30As we talk more broadly about affordability, or I should say homeownership in the context of affordability, we only have so many dollars to go around.

40:41And this sort of model, I think, allows us to scale the primary benefits of ownership to more people.

40:51And so kudos, kudos on bringing it and partnering up with the administration on this.

40:55I'm going to support this.

40:57And, um, yeah, I think I'm the only one standing between a vote on this, so I'll shut up.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 41:02 - 41:02

41:02Great.

Candace Avalos 41:02 - 41:14

41:02Well then, I— unless there are no other folks, I'd like to entertain a motion to move the emergency ordinance document number 2026-151 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 41:14 - 41:15

41:14So moved.

Candace Avalos 41:15 - 41:17

41:15Moved by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 41:17 - 41:18

41:17Second.

Candace Avalos 41:18 - 41:24

41:18Seconded by Councilor Koyama Lane.

41:20Any further discussion?

41:23Okay, Diego, please call the roll.

Unidentified speaker 41:25 - 41:25

41:25Pirtle-Guiney?

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 41:26 - 41:26

41:26Aye.

Unidentified speaker 41:27 - 41:27

41:27Koyama Lane?

Tiffany Koyama Lane 41:28 - 41:28

41:28Aye.

Unidentified speaker 41:29 - 41:29

41:29Novick?

Steve Novick 41:29 - 41:29

41:29Aye.

Unidentified speaker 41:30 - 41:31

41:30Greene?

Mitch Green 41:31 - 41:31

41:31Aye.

Unidentified speaker 41:32 - 41:32

41:32Avalos?

Candace Avalos 41:33 - 41:33

41:33Aye.

Unidentified speaker 41:34 - 41:43

41:34With 5 ayes, the motion carries, and the ordinance document number 2026-151 moves to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

Candace Avalos 41:44 - 41:53

41:44Thank you so much for being here.

41:46Cannot wait to see people moving in and enjoying this new land.

41:49Take care, have a good day.

41:52Diego, please call the next item.

Unidentified speaker 41:54 - 42:02

41:54Item 3, amend Portland permitting and development fee schedules to improve cost recovery to ensure an adequate level of service.

Candace Avalos 42:03 - 42:43

42:03All right, so we are going to, uh, move to talk about the FY26-27 PP&D fee change ordinance.

42:11So this item updates the fee schedule for permitting and development to align with the mayor's proposed budget.

42:17These updates are necessary to ensure the bureau can continue to provide core services and keep up with the cost of operations.

42:24I also want to flag that this is a time-sensitive item.

42:27These fees are already assumed in the proposed budget, so approval is needed to keep that budget whole and avoid service impacts.

42:34We're going to hear more from staff about the specific changes, the rationale behind them, and how they impact customers and operations.

42:40So I will go ahead and turn it over to staff for the presentation.

Mitch Green 42:44 - 42:45

42:44Thank you, Chair, Vice Chair.

Unidentified speaker 42:46 - 45:01

42:46Good afternoon, committee.

42:47My name is Don Oliveira, for the record.

42:50Thank you for the opportunity to present Portland Permitting Development's proposed fee schedule.

42:54I'm joined by Director Arkoosh, who will walk through the proposed fee changes, what influenced the need to— for those increases, and how those fees stack up to other localities.

43:03As the front door of all development in Portland, it is important that we maintain services at levels that meet the needs of our current demand and also do not hinder our ability to respond when production inevitably kicks back up.

43:15Fee cost is not the most significant financial impact permitting bureaus have on the cost of getting things built in our city.

43:21It's time.

43:23As this committee contemplates adopting the fee schedule, please note that we balanced fee increase with the alternatives of layoffs, which would have an impact on service delivery.

43:31We looked at different scenarios but ultimately came proposed Uh, propose— excuse me— a fee schedule that reflects that balance of maintaining costs that are measurable and manageable for our small businesses, our home builders, our communities that access the services, but also ensure that we have the people there to deliver timely permit reviews.

43:52Last thing I just want to share, just for the public's notification, this process is also on the timeline for the budget, but we have notification requirements for the state of Oregon.

44:01Okay.

44:02So we're kind of following that pathway as we delta back into the budget process, which is why we're here in a distinct moment in time.

44:09But with that, I'll hand it over to Director Kooch for the presentation.

44:12Thank you.

44:14Good afternoon, Council.

44:15My name is Eric Kooch.

44:16I'm the Director of Portland Permitting and Development.

44:18Today we're here to walk through our proposed fee adjustments and more importantly, why they are necessary to maintain the level of service our customers and this Council expects.

44:27This proposal is not about expanding services.

44:29It is about maintaining predictable, timely permitting in a challenging economic environment.

44:35Next slide, please.

44:39PP&D operates very differently than most city—.

44:48Do you have any suggestions?

44:53We have technical pop at this Huh?

44:58No, there you go.

Mitch Green 45:01 - 45:01

45:01I guess—.

Unidentified speaker 45:03 - 46:42

45:03Sorry about that.

45:05PP&D operates very differently than most city bureaus.

45:08About 94% of our ongoing funding comes directly from fees and charges for services.

45:13Only about 2% comes from the general fund, and about 4% is supported through PISA for tree permitting work.

45:20What that means, our financial health is directly tied to the construction market and the construction market is inherently volatile.

45:27Over the past several years, we've seen a significant shift in that market.

45:30Construction valuations declined during the pandemic and have not fully recovered.

45:34That is being driven by a combination of factors: high interest rates, low investor confidence, declining property values, and broader uncertainty in the financial markets.

45:45There's also a continued perception challenge around building in Portland that we cannot ignore.

45:51One of the most important dynamics to understand is that our revenue is heavily dependent on large, high-value projects because our fees are valuation-based.

45:58As those larger projects have slowed down, we've seen a disproportionate impact on revenue.

46:03At the same time, the workload coming into the bureau has not declined at the same rate.

46:08We're continuing to see smaller, lower-value projects come in, but those projects generate less revenue and often require a similar level of staff time to review.

46:18So what that creates is a structural imbalance.

46:20Our workload remains relatively steady while our revenue declines.

46:24To manage through that, the Bureau has relied on reserves to maintain service levels during this downturn.

46:29Even with staffing reductions through layoffs, retirements, and attrition, we've continued to draw on those reserves in order to keep services moving and avoid major impacts to our customers.

46:40But that approach— No, go back to this.

Mitch Green 46:42 - 46:43

46:42Last slide.

Unidentified speaker 46:44 - 50:36

46:44But that approach is not sustainable long-term.

46:46Additional staffing reductions would have a direct noticeable impact on permitting timelines and service delivery.

46:51And that's really the core issue this proposal is trying to address.

46:54How do we maintain service levels in a market that is producing less revenue?

46:58Next slide, please.

47:00Building on that, the next question is, what do we expect moving forward?

47:05The reality is that the construction market is highly volatile and very difficult to predict.

47:09That makes financial planning for a bureau like ours especially challenging because our revenue is directly tied to that activity.

47:15To address that, we go through a very rigorous forecasting process each year.

47:20One of the key components of that process is our Financial Advisory Committee.

47:24This is a group made up of local economists and development industry experts who provide independent insight into where the market is headed over the next 1 to 5 years.

47:32We use their input to inform our projections, and they also review and validate our assumptions around both revenue this year, the primary focus of those discussions was how long the current downturn is likely to last.

47:46The guidance we received was clear: we should plan conservatively and operate under the assumption that current conditions will continue rather than expecting a near-term rebound.

47:54In other words, we should not build a budget that depends on recovery until we actually see that in the data.

48:00And that's exactly what this proposal reflects.

48:03Their proposed fee adjustments are intended to allow the Bureau to maintain current service levels under those conditions rather than taking on additional risk based on uncertain projections.

48:12Next slide, please.

48:16I also want to take a moment to ground this conversation on what these fees actually support.

48:20At PP&D, fees are not just revenue.

48:22They directly fund the services that our staff provide to the public every day.

48:26Nearly all the work we do is supported through permit fees and charges for service.

48:30That includes everything from early assistance meetings, plan review, to inspections, to enforcement and customer support.

48:38So when we talk about fees, we are really talking about the capacity of our staff to deliver these services.

48:44Our teams are working directly with homeowners, contractors, small business owners, and developers, helping them navigate the process, answering questions, reviewing plans for code compliance, and ensuring that construction is safe and meets all applicable codes and standards.

48:59These are core public services that ensure life safety, structural integrity, and overall livability in Portland.

49:05And importantly, these services are not optional.

49:07They are required for development to move forward.

49:10So when staffing levels are reduced, the impact is immediate.

49:13It means longer review times, slower permitting, and increased uncertainty for our customers.

49:18And that ultimately translates into higher costs and delays for the very people we're trying to serve.

49:23And that is why maintaining staffing levels and the service capacity behind them is so critical.

49:29Next slide, please.

49:32I also want to address what's driving these cost increases.

49:35The majority of these are not discretionary.

49:37They're ongoing structural cost pressures that we face every year.

49:41These include things like mandatory PERS contribution increases, rising health and benefit costs, and increases tied to labor agreements and staff compensation.

49:50In addition to that, we are seeing increases in internal city service costs.

49:54Things like rent, technology support, and insurance, as well as broader inflation in materials and services.

50:00So even in a flat or declining market, our costs continue to rise.

50:06The other major factor is the growing complexity of the regulatory environment.

50:09As regulations become more complex, it requires more staff time both to review permits and to work directly with customers to help them understand and navigate those requirements.

50:19That means each project takes more time and effort to process than it did in the past.

50:24So when you combine rising structural costs with increased time per review, it creates additional pressure on the system that we have to account for.

50:31And again, because we are primarily fee-supported, those costs must be reflected in our fee structure in order to maintain service levels.

Mitch Green 50:37 - 50:39

50:37Next slide.

Unidentified speaker 50:41 - 52:52

50:41I also want to provide some context on how we've approached fee changes over time.

50:47As you can see from this slide, for a number of years, from roughly 2013 through 2019, PP&D did not propose fee increases for most programs, and in one year we actually reduced fees.

50:59That period coincided with a very strong construction market.

51:02Activity levels were high and the bureau was able to achieve full cost recovery and build reserves without increasing fees.

51:09At that time, we were very mindful of council's desire to keep costs down for customers, and we intentionally chose not to increase fees when it was not however, during that same period, our underlying costs continued to rise year over year.

51:22As the market began to slow and permit activity declined, the bureau's revenue dropped, but those costs remained.

51:28That's what led us to begin relying on reserves to maintain our current service levels.

51:32We've been drawing on those reserves significantly, especially in the current year, in order to avoid major impacts to customers and our permitting timelines.

51:40What you're seeing now is a more gradual and measured approach to bringing fees back in line with the actual costs of providing services.

51:47That is not a sudden shift, it is a necessary correction for several years of holding fees flat during stronger market conditions.

51:54Next slide.

51:58I also want to provide some context on how our fees compare to other jurisdictions.

52:02While no comparison is perfect, this gives a fair and consistent snapshot of where Portland stands.

52:07To keep this consistent, we're looking specifically at building permit and plan review fees.

52:11Fees, since those are the most comparable across jurisdictions and are consistently charged on development projects.

52:18The example shown here is a new single-family residence with a valuation of approximately $275,000.

52:24As you can see, Portland falls well within the range of comparable jurisdictions and in several cases is actually below them.

52:30So while we are always mindful of keeping fees as low as possible, we also have to consider the broader picture.

52:36For most projects, predictability and permitting timelines are just as important if not more important than the fee itself when it comes to overall project feasibility.

52:44Our goal is to strike the right balance, keeping fees reasonable while also maintaining the staffing and service levels needed to deliver timely and predictable permitting.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 52:52 - 52:54

52:52Next slide.

Unidentified speaker 52:55 - 57:45

52:55Now I want to walk through the proposed fee adjustments.

52:57Overall, most PP&D fees are proposed to increase in the range of 5 to 9%.

53:03There are some programs where increases are higher to address specific cost recovery issues, and others where there's no increase proposed.

53:09I'll walk through those details on the next slide.

53:13On this slide, I want to focus on what this means at a project level.

53:16For a typical new single-family residence, the proposed increase is approximately $1,000, moving from about $10,700 to roughly $11,700 in total PP&D fees.

53:29While any increase is important to acknowledge, it is also important to put that into context.

53:32Thank you.

53:33The cost of delays caused by reduced staffing and longer permitting timelines would far exceed that increase on any individual project.

53:40In other words, maintaining predictable and timely permitting has a much greater impact on overall project costs than this level of fee adjustment.

53:47We also want to ensure that these fees remain accessible.

53:50PP&D has a fee waiver program in place for low-income applicants, and we are committed to keeping the cost of obtaining a permit within reach because it is a critical part of ensuring building safety.

53:59Thank you.

54:00Next slide.

54:04This slide shows the fee changes by program, and I want to walk through this at a high level rather than going line by line.

54:10Overall, most programs are seeing a base increase of about 5%.

54:15There are also a few programs where no increase is proposed, including the facilities permit program and cannabis licensing.

54:22Beyond that, the higher adjustments you see here are targeted and tied to specific conditions within those programs.

54:29For example, building and mechanical is proposed at 9%.

54:32That program has been significantly impacted by the decline in larger, higher-value projects, but still requires the same level of staffing to support ongoing activity.

54:42You'll also see environmental review, water review, and urban forestry at 9% because those programs are currently operating below full cost recovery.

54:50Transportation review shows a larger increase that reflects a structural change moving away from interagency agreements and transitioning that program to be fully self-supported within PP&D.

55:01You'll also see higher increases in areas like accessory short-term rentals and noise.

55:06In both cases, those fees are currently well below the cost of providing the service, and these adjustments are intended to bring them back closer to cost recovery.

55:14So overall, the approach here is balanced.

55:16Most programs see modest increases while targeted adjustments are made where there are clear gaps between costs next slide.

55:27This slide highlights some of the more typical fees our customers encounter to give a clearer picture of the actual dollar impact.

55:33As I mentioned earlier, PP&D has hundreds of individual fees across many programs, so rather than showing everything, we focus here on commonly charged fees that customers are most likely to see.

55:44The key point I want to emphasize is that while some of the percentage increases may appear higher, The actual dollar impact in many cases is relatively modest.

55:51For example, you'll see that the accessory short-term rental application shows a 26% increase, but that equates to about $104 over a 2-year period.

56:01You'll also see that many of the standard permitting fees like electrical, plumbing, or site review are increasing by relatively small dollar amounts, often in the range of just a few dollars to a few dozen dollars.

56:13It's also important to note that not every fee applies to every project.

56:16The total cost to a customer will depend on the scope and type of work being done.

56:22So overall, while the percentages may look high, the actual dollar impact to most customers is relatively small and tied to the specific services that they use.

56:29Next slide.

56:31I'll close with the impacts of not moving forward with these fee adjustments.

56:36As we've discussed, PP&D is operating in a very challenging financial environment.

56:41Without these adjustments, the bureau would need to continue relying on reserves to maintain current service levels but those reserves are limited and cannot be sustained indefinitely.

56:49If we do not take action, we would be forced to make significant reductions.

56:52That would mean reduced staffing, slow— slower permitting timelines, and a decreased ability to support development activity across the city.

57:00It would also make it much harder to recruit and retain staff when the market recovers, putting us at risk of falling behind just as demand starts to increase.

57:08This is a scenario we need to avoid because the impacts would extend beyond the bureau.

57:11Thank you.

57:12Affecting customers, project timelines, and the broader economic recovery of Portland.

57:16One way to think about this is that every 1% of revenue is roughly equivalent to 3 staff positions.

57:23So this proposal is directly tied to maintaining the staffing and service levels needed to keep the system functioning effectively.

57:29In closing, this proposal is about stability, ensuring we can deliver consistent, reliable permitting now and be ready when growth returns.

57:36We believe this is a balanced and responsible approach, and we respectfully ask for your thank you so much for the presentation.

Candace Avalos 57:46 - 57:53

57:46Um, we have nobody signed up for public comment, so we'll go ahead into questions and deliberations, starting with Vice Chair Green.

Mitch Green 57:55 - 58:36

57:55Thank you, Chair Avalos.

57:56Uh, thank you, Director Kooch, for, um, presenting the fee structure.

58:00Uh, can you go back to the slide that shows where we rank to those other jurisdictions?

58:06A question.

58:12Yeah, perfect.

58:16So is this net of the proposal or is this just existing prior to the proposal where we rank?

58:24So like for instance, the $32.11 for Portland, would that be the effect after it's provided council adopted this new fee structure or is it letting us understand where we're at today before the fee increases?

Unidentified speaker 58:36 - 58:45

58:36Yeah, that's an excellent question.

58:38Let me check with my team real quick.

58:39I'm not sure if that was done with the newer fees or with existing.

58:44It's with our current fee structure.

Mitch Green 58:45 - 59:16

58:45Okay.

58:48You know, I think that it's a good slide because it shows that we're sort of— we're not outside the norm.

58:54I think the one piece I'm trying to anticipate is you know, we've had a lot of development activity leave Portland and go to Vancouver, Washington.

59:03And so just from an optics standpoint, if we adopt a fee schedule that places us at a more expensive place than Vancouver, maybe not great.

59:13But I wanted— it looks like, Donny, it looks like you're eager to weigh in as well.

Unidentified speaker 59:17 - 1:00:08

59:17Yeah, Councilor, thank you for the question.

59:19I think that's one of the notes that we're trying to hit here too is, Councilmember Herbold.

59:23It's not just the fee costs that we're dealing with.

59:27It's the optics that the director mentioned that Vancouver is friendlier to build in.

59:32But there is frankly a time element here where people, perception or reality, feel like they can get through permitting more quickly in Vancouver versus Portland.

59:44But I really don't want to overstate, because I don't think we can, just the dynamic right now of getting investor dollars in for those larger institutions.

59:52The waterfront over there looks amazing.

59:54Those dollars are supported by investments, and there just seems to be an interest in getting things built over there right now.

1:00:00And so we have to improve the optics there because we don't think the fees are going to have as material of an impact compared to that.

Mitch Green 1:00:09 - 1:00:58

1:00:09I appreciate that, and I want to be clear, I'm going to support a fee proposal because I agree with the premise that we cannot— we can't gut our capacity And have it not be there when the rest of the market conditions change and enable development to be happening.

1:00:24We need to be able to turn this fast.

1:00:28The other question I had was, so it looks like you took a very sort of like directly connected cost of service approach to the fee updates, but I'm curious if your team looked at what would happen if you sort of cross-subsidized across all the permitting activity and sort of peanut buttered this around all of the work.

1:00:49I'm curious if that blunts the effect on some areas.

1:00:55If you didn't study that, that's okay, but I'm sort of raising it now.

Unidentified speaker 1:00:59 - 1:01:02

1:00:59Yeah, that's an excellent question.

1:01:00If it's okay, I'm going to ask my staff to—.

Mitch Green 1:01:02 - 1:01:03

1:01:02Yeah, phone a friend.

Unidentified speaker 1:01:09 - 1:01:14

1:01:09Good afternoon, councilors.

1:01:11For the record, Elshad Hajiev, Deputy Director for PP&D.

Candace Avalos 1:01:16 - 1:01:17

1:01:16We—.

Unidentified speaker 1:01:17 - 1:01:36

1:01:17The bureau operates 2 distinct sets of programs.

1:01:21There are state-mandated programs and there are local programs.

1:01:25So the state-mandated programs are usually larger ones.

1:01:28We're talking about building, mechanical, electrical, plumbing.

1:01:31So these programs, the state statutes does not allow us to intermingle any funds.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:01:36 - 1:01:37

1:01:36Ah, okay.

Unidentified speaker 1:01:38 - 1:02:54

1:01:38So the expenditures and revenues are tracked separately.

1:01:41They have their own buckets and they only can support the activities in those programs.

1:01:47Then we have local programs like land use, site development, cannabis.

1:01:52You heard Director Kooch talking about them.

1:01:55Even for those, there is some in the city code that specifies that some of the funds cannot be intermingled.

1:02:02I think that's a good point.

1:02:04There are restrictions on the usage of those funds.

1:02:07So we prepare a monthly cost recovery report that separates every single program.

1:02:12That's why when Director Kooch was talking about that the fee increases, they vary across programs because different programs are doing differently and they're influenced by the construction cycle differently too.

1:02:24So right now, for example, you saw that FPP, the Facilities Permit Program, that mostly not mostly.

1:02:32It does the commercial remodel.

1:02:36So that program is at 0% because during the downturns, the remodels are up.

1:02:41People are not building as much, but they continue remodeling the existing buildings and structures.

1:02:47So that's why the approach of intermingling those funds, it's not allowable at this point.

Mitch Green 1:02:55 - 1:03:39

1:02:55That's extremely helpful, and I'm glad that you were able to answer that question.

1:03:00So what I'm hearing is we're basically operating within some legal constraints to deal with a situation that we have basically drawn our reserves down to the point where we can't ignore that anymore.

1:03:13We need to raise some fees to keep our functions operable so that way we can send the right signal that we need to send.

1:03:22That Portland is open for business if you want to develop here.

1:03:25That's the through line.

1:03:27Great.

1:03:29Thanks so much for this.

1:03:30I'm going to support this fee schedule increase, recognizing that it is— there's some areas that are a little painful, but it's more painful to not have anyone answer the phone when you call.

Candace Avalos 1:03:42 - 1:03:43

1:03:42Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:03:45 - 1:04:22

1:03:45Thank you, Chair.

1:03:50I very much understand and support the need to make sure that this bureau stays solvent and that we do so without dipping further into the reserves.

1:03:58I have some questions, like my colleague, about how we're doing that and making sure that we understand and that Portlanders understand the impact as we move forward.

1:04:08So did I just hear correctly that there are no fee increases for remodels?

1:04:13That's correct.

1:04:14Or is that just for a specific area of fees on remodels?

1:04:19And in other areas, there are increases for remodels?

Unidentified speaker 1:04:23 - 1:04:33

1:04:23That's for a specific program.

1:04:24Yeah.

1:04:25So, so to be clear, there are still fees for remodels, interior remodels.

1:04:30So what we spoke to was just for a specific program.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:04:33 - 1:04:50

1:04:33So what do the fee increases— I know there are fees, but what do the increases look like for an individual yeah, that's a good question.

Unidentified speaker 1:04:50 - 1:05:21

1:04:50As far as like the individual impact on a bathroom project, I wouldn't have that.

1:04:54I don't know if I have that information in front of me.

1:04:57Elshad, do you have that information?

1:04:57We don't, but I think that we had that comparison on one of the slides.

1:05:02If we're specifically talking about the bathroom, that will depend on the size of the bathroom.

1:05:06It's a plumbing permit, so it will depend on the number of fixtures.

1:05:12And I believe we had one of the fixtures on that slide.

1:05:17I think it's—.

1:05:17I can't remember what slide.

1:05:20Keep going, I think.

1:05:21Going.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:05:23 - 1:05:29

1:05:23Was that on slide 10?

1:05:27Plumbing per fixture, an increase of $3?

Unidentified speaker 1:05:30 - 1:05:55

1:05:30Yes.

1:05:31If I could just weigh in real quick, Councilor, I think the important thing to note is that every project's different.

1:05:36So even with just something like a bathroom project, it really depends on the scope of work within the bathroom, right?

1:05:42Because like, you know, say like if I do some work in my restroom, maybe I keep all the electrical, but I'm only rerouting the plumbing, right?

1:05:49So it really depends on the scope of work within the project itself.

1:05:52It's kind of hard to answer questions like that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:05:55 - 1:06:59

1:05:55To that end, I'm not looking for specific numbers.

1:05:57What I'd like to understand and what I'd like to make sure that we have clearly available in the conversation today for Portlanders is the difference between cost increases for an individual doing a remodel project, a person looking to build an ADU on their property not for a short-term rental but for long-term rental housing for an in-law to live in, something like that.

1:06:23Yes.

1:06:23A developer who is developing a duplex or a quad on a single parcel of property and a large-scale developer.

1:06:33And I'd like to understand if the percent increase— obviously the costs are different because we're dealing with different scales of construction here, but is the percent increase in those 4 different scenarios roughly equivalent or have you weighted this one way or another so that the percent increase hits harder on that individual doing a remodel, on the large construction project, one of the two in between?

Unidentified speaker 1:06:59 - 1:07:12

1:06:59It would definitely hit the larger projects more, right?

1:07:01Since our fees are valuation-based, the larger the project, the more in fees that you're going to be paying.

1:07:06So the impact on the larger developers would be much more than your homeowner doing like a smaller remodel project or something like that.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:07:12 - 1:07:17

1:07:12Is the percent increase different?

1:07:14Or is the percent increase across the board?

Unidentified speaker 1:07:17 - 1:07:38

1:07:17Well, again, it would vary by program, right?

1:07:22Because electric, it depends on the scope of work.

1:07:24So it's kind of hard to answer that because again, there's so many fees within our fee schedule that it would vary on the percentage increase depending on which specific permit we're talking about and program we're talking about.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:07:38 - 1:09:07

1:07:38Let me back up here then.

1:07:40I've heard very clearly over the last year, and like I said, I understand the need and my intent has been to support this, but I'm growing a little concerned right now.

1:07:51I have heard over the last year that time is more important than the dollar amount for large developers.

1:07:58That's very clear to me, and you repeated that as well.

1:08:01Mm-hmm.

1:08:02But I've also heard over the last year that individual homeowners looking to do that remodel, looking to put in that ADU, looking to build on their large oversized lot a unit behind it, sometimes struggle with the fees, that that can in fact be a barrier for that individual.

1:08:23And so I'm trying to understand if we are increasing that disparity and that barrier, if those costs are up proportionally compared to everybody else, compared to inflation, but not going up proportionally more where that barrier exists.

1:08:42Or if in fact we are continuing what I think you've said we do now, which is to tilt the opposite way, where we in essence subsidize the cost for those smaller projects with and I'm— what I'm looking for is an answer that is about the relative impact after these increases compared to now.

Unidentified speaker 1:09:13 - 1:09:40

1:09:13So essentially, I guess I'm trying to understand the exact question here.

1:09:20The impact is going to be between 5 to 9% increase on those projects.

1:09:25So specifically for like a remodel, for a smaller project, for like a, you know, your average customer, not a larger development, would be between 5% and 9% increase.

1:09:36I don't know if that answers your question.

1:09:38Maybe I'm not fully understanding the question, I think is the problem.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:09:41 - 1:09:44

1:09:41So these percent increases are the same for all construction types?

Unidentified speaker 1:09:45 - 1:11:11

1:09:45Correct.

1:09:46The fee schedule that we have does not differentiate the fees are not different between, let's say, a residential project or commercial project.

1:09:56Let's say if we take the building permit or building plan review, it's based on valuation.

1:10:02So, and the fees, the percentages are applied consistently across different levels of valuation.

1:10:08So if the value of the project is $100,000, the fee will go by 5%.

1:10:13If the value of the project, $1 million, the fee will go by 10%.

1:10:15So the fees are not different?

1:10:16So that 5% is applied equally across all levels of— I'm not talking about one fee right now, so, but all across all of those fees.

1:10:28The other thing is that traditionally lower valuation projects, a lot of times they are not at the cost recovery.

1:10:35And one of the reasons why we are not right now not at the cost recovery is because the predominant use of the property is residential.

1:10:41I'm not talking about the cost recovery.

1:10:42Of those smaller projects coming to us and lack of the larger projects.

1:10:47If you look at any jurisdiction in the United States, that there is, there is this subsidy that comes from the larger projects to subsidize smaller value projects because the goal is compliance with the code.

1:11:01So that's why we actually do not charge a full cost recovery at those smaller projects.

1:11:06Thank you.

1:11:07And that kind of a relationship will continue.

Candace Avalos 1:11:11 - 1:11:11

1:11:11Okay.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:11:12 - 1:11:16

1:11:12We are not trying to get closer to cost recovery on those projects.

1:11:15We are maintaining that subsidy.

Unidentified speaker 1:11:17 - 1:11:19

1:11:17We're maintaining the balance that exists right now.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:11:19 - 1:11:21

1:11:19Okay.

1:11:20That's what I needed to know.

1:11:21Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 1:11:21 - 1:11:29

1:11:21But Councilor, I just want to note though, but we're— part of the reason we're in that— this dilemma we're in is because we are so dependent on the larger projects.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:11:29 - 1:12:14

1:11:29Understood.

1:11:30And we're maintaining that risk.

1:11:31We are maintaining that risk.

1:11:33Yes.

1:11:34On the slide that Councilor Green was discussing that shows our ranking with other cities, should I assume that if most of the increases we're seeing are between 5% and 9%, and some are higher, so I'm going to round up just for the sake of making sure we don't get it wrong, is it fair to assume, let's say, a 10% increase would put us then at $3,500 for the cost moving forward, and that would probably be the, the high end because I'm estimating high here, and that, that would then put us between Beaverton and Gresham, or maybe a little below that after these new fees are incorporated.

Unidentified speaker 1:12:16 - 1:12:40

1:12:16It might.

1:12:17Uh, the, the information that you see on that slide are current fees that are charged by those respective jurisdictions.

1:12:24We do not know if Beaverton or Vancouver or any other jurisdiction are considering fee changes.

1:12:30I assume they do because they, just like us, they are under cost pressures too.

1:12:35So what you see is the current, what we charge right now, what they charge right now.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:12:40 - 1:12:49

1:12:40But if I want to compare us after this change to where they are now, because we don't know what they're changing, I would add that 5 to 9% or whatever the number is.

Unidentified speaker 1:12:49 - 1:12:50

1:12:49That's exactly right.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:12:50 - 1:13:05

1:12:50And it would put us somewhere above Sacramento and well below— somewhere above Sacramento and below Beaverton, and where in there, we're not quite sure.

1:13:00Correct.

1:13:01Okay, thank you.

1:13:02I appreciate the information.

1:13:05Thank you, Chair.

Candace Avalos 1:13:05 - 1:13:07

1:13:05Okay, Councilor Koyama Lane.

Unidentified speaker 1:13:08 - 1:13:09

1:13:08Thank you.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:13:09 - 1:13:34

1:13:09Thanks for this presentation.

1:13:11Thanks for all of your work.

1:13:13I assume that permitting is an area that if things are going smoothly, people probably don't notice much, but you get a lot of complaints if people are frustrated.

1:13:22So I wanted to tell you some good news, which is that my parents recently were interacting with your office to get some permits, and they told me it was smooth and positive and there was good follow-up and clear communication.

1:13:34So—.

Unidentified speaker 1:13:34 - 1:13:35

1:13:34Fantastic.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:13:35 - 1:13:48

1:13:35Wanted to share that.

1:13:41Wanted to hear a little bit about the fee waiver program.

1:13:44Who qualifies for that?

1:13:46How does it depend on the type of permit?

Unidentified speaker 1:13:51 - 1:14:28

1:13:51Yeah, no, actually, can you speak to the specifics of like what the qualifiers would be for— I know they apply, but I don't know if it's income-based.

1:14:00So it is income-based.

1:14:01It's also based on the type of the institution.

1:14:07There are a couple of examples.

1:14:08If it's affordable housing, if it's—.

1:14:11And I'm looking at you, Colleen, since you've yeah, it's nonprofit, affordable housing, community benefit, and low income.

1:14:23And then we have our empowered neighborhood empowered communities that also get reductions.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:14:30 - 1:14:32

1:14:30And do they find that information just through your office?

Unidentified speaker 1:14:33 - 1:14:40

1:14:33People, yeah, we have a website where they can apply and it has some information and then there's a, there's a form.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:14:40 - 1:14:54

1:14:40Thank you.

1:14:42Thinking about adequate level of service, can you remind us how many FTE are proposed to be cut in your office in the mayor's proposed budget, and if there's any also with the core realignment?

Unidentified speaker 1:14:56 - 1:15:15

1:14:56Sure.

1:14:58So with our proposed budget, we'll have 300.9 FTE, and we currently have 337.9.

1:15:06So what is that?

1:15:08So that's a cut of 37.

1:15:10However, 6 of those positions are full and then the rest are vacant.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:15:17 - 1:15:20

1:15:17So we're currently at 349, it'll go down to 337?

Unidentified speaker 1:15:20 - 1:15:26

1:15:20No, we're currently at 337.9 and we'll be going down to 300.9.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:15:26 - 1:15:27

1:15:26300.9.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:15:28 - 1:15:28

1:15:28Okay.

Unidentified speaker 1:15:33 - 1:16:08

1:15:33And again, 6 of those positions are filled.

1:15:35The rest are vacant.

1:15:36Okay, 6 filled are perm trees.

1:15:39Yeah, that's not this.

1:15:41The mayor's proposed budget includes 2 cuts.

1:15:44There are 14 FTE, 6 of them are filled positions like Director Kutch mentioned.

1:15:51And then due to realignment, there are positions— the rest of the 37 minus 14, those are the positions that are moving to BTS, to procurement, and to BHR as part of the realignment.

1:16:02So we're not losing those positions.

1:16:05They're just moving into their core service bureaus.

Candace Avalos 1:16:09 - 1:16:09

1:16:09Okay.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:16:10 - 1:16:22

1:16:10Can anyone speak at all to how things have shifted by moving tree permitting into your department?

1:16:17Has it made— how it has changed things?

1:16:21How's that going?

Unidentified speaker 1:16:23 - 1:17:05

1:16:23Yeah, it's an interesting question.

1:16:24You know, I've been with the City of Portland now 4 months.

1:16:27So in the 4 months I've been here, it's been going great.

1:16:30I think there's a lot of opportunity for improvements, of course, but for the most part, I think it's been going well.

1:16:38I think that there's been some— of course, with everything going on with the budget, right, they're, you know, the team's anxious with this upcoming budget cycle because there's going to be reductions within that team.

1:16:52But other than that, I think that, you know, we're on the way to making improvements there.

1:17:00But I'd be lying if I said there wasn't some anxiety within the team right now with the upcoming budget proposal.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:17:06 - 1:17:07

1:17:06Okay, that's it for now.

1:17:07Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 1:17:08 - 1:17:08

1:17:08Thanks.

Candace Avalos 1:17:09 - 1:17:09

1:17:09Councilor Novick.

Steve Novick 1:17:12 - 1:18:03

1:17:12Thank you, Chair.

1:17:14So this is a completely out-of-left-field unfair question, but I've been meaning to ask it for you for a while.

1:17:20I cannot.

1:17:22So every once in a while we get random things from our friends saying, hey, how can you explain this?

1:17:27And I got a random thing from a friend a couple of months ago saying, so I wanted— I was trying to compare Los Angeles and Portland permitting offices and how much work they do and how many people they have.

1:17:36And I like Googled it, and AI told me that Los Angeles has 450 people in their permitting department and they processed 3,300 applications last year, and Portland has 300 and they processed 648.

1:17:48What's the deal?

1:17:49Now, that doesn't match up at all with what you showed us about the relative fee cost in relative cities.

1:17:55And maybe this is like something you've heard numerous times, or maybe it's just out of nowhere, but I just wanted to see if you had any gut reaction.

Unidentified speaker 1:18:03 - 1:18:05

1:18:03I'm sorry, what exactly is the question?

Steve Novick 1:18:06 - 1:18:24

1:18:06How we compare to— what this person came up with on AI is that Los Angeles had 450 permitting people that processed 3,000 permits last year, and Portland had 300 that processed 648.

1:18:19So why the heck can Los Angeles do so much more with, with so much more per person?

Unidentified speaker 1:18:24 - 1:18:53

1:18:24Councilor, that's— sorry, that sounds like that's specifically just a housing number, but the housing— the permitting development bureau processes way more permits than that number.

1:18:32So, okay, we probably need to be comparing the right fruit.

1:18:36Um, and kind of what Director Kooch was speaking to is a lot of the permits that they're processing are sort of TI improvement stuff, renovations.

1:18:45So we're not seeing the big development.

1:18:47But those numbers, I don't— we'd have to dig into where those numbers are being drawn from.

1:18:51But that number is woefully short of the reality.

Steve Novick 1:18:54 - 1:18:57

1:18:54Okay.

1:18:54That sounds like a reasonable speculative answer.

1:18:56Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:18:59 - 1:19:48

1:18:59I was like, hmm, interesting.

1:19:03Thank you for the presentation.

1:19:05I'll also just say a bit of good news.

1:19:06I have recently interacted with the permitting department personally after my house fire and have been pleased with their speediness.

1:19:14Um, so I think there's some improvements on the way, but I appreciate what you are doing here to ensure that we can continue to grow the department, make sure that we're not— that we're staffed up and ready, um, when it comes time to start getting more of those housing units built.

1:19:28So, uh, any other comments?

1:19:32If not, I would like to entertain a motion.

1:19:37Um, there is a specific motion.

1:19:39Hold on.

1:19:41Entertain a motion to move the ordinance document number 2026-152 to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

Mitch Green 1:19:48 - 1:19:49

1:19:48So moved.

Steve Novick 1:19:49 - 1:19:49

1:19:49Second.

Candace Avalos 1:19:50 - 1:19:57

1:19:50All right, moved by Vice Chair Green, seconded by Councilor Novick.

1:19:53Any further discussion?

1:19:55Seeing none, let's call the roll.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:19:59 - 1:19:59

1:19:59Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:19:59 - 1:20:08

1:19:59I appreciate getting to the bottom of ensuring that we're not, um, changing the balance here on who is paying these fees.

Unidentified speaker 1:20:08 - 1:20:12

1:20:08I will vote aye.

1:20:11Was that an aye vote?

1:20:12Yep.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:20:13 - 1:20:13

1:20:13Yes, aye.

Loretta Smith 1:20:13 - 1:20:13

1:20:13Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 1:20:15 - 1:20:18

1:20:15Koyama Lane.

1:20:17Novick.

1:20:17Aye.

Steve Novick 1:20:19 - 1:20:36

1:20:19Uh, I should note that the same friend who forwarded me the Los Angeles question also said that he heard that permitting is I appreciated your line of questioning, Councilor, and thanks for your dialogue.

1:20:36Aye.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 1:20:38 - 1:20:38

1:20:38Aye.

Unidentified speaker 1:20:40 - 1:20:52

1:20:40With 5 ayes, the motion carries.

1:20:43The ordinance document number 2026-152 will move to the full council with a recommendation to pass.

1:20:51Thank you.

1:20:51Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:20:52 - 1:31:44

1:20:52Thank you so much for being here.

1:20:54All right, committee, so we are right about on time, which is great, but we will take a quick 10-minute break for staff.

1:21:01So that will bring us back at 3:27 PM.

1:31:36All right, we are going to bring this meeting back to order.

1:31:42Diego, can you go ahead and read the next item for us?

Unidentified speaker 1:31:45 - 1:31:49

1:31:45Item 4, Affordable Housing Properties Panel Discussion.

Candace Avalos 1:31:50 - 1:35:28

1:31:50All right, so I'm going to get started with some intro remarks.

1:31:54While I do that, let's go ahead and have all of the panelists who are here to speak, come on up.

1:31:58We've got enough chairs for all of you.

1:31:59We will figure out the mic situation, but go ahead and grab a seat.

1:32:06Thank you for being here.

1:32:08All right, so colleagues, today's discussion is focused on the state of our affordable housing system, specifically the conditions providers, agencies, and partners are navigating right now and what that means for the people who this system is intended to serve.

1:32:24We've been hearing consistent concerns across the system— staffing challenges, increasing tenant needs, safety issues, aging buildings, and real constraints on the ability to deliver and maintain high-quality affordable housing.

1:32:37That includes concerns about vacancy rates in affordable housing, which we know have real implications for both access to housing and overall system performance.

1:32:46I also want to acknowledge that there have been recent headlines and public conversations related to Home Forward and those concerns are real and accountability matters.

1:32:54At the same time, I want to be very clear about the purpose of today's conversation, especially when we have limited time.

1:33:00This is not about any one organization or individual issue.

1:33:04What we're here to do today is to step back and understand the system as a whole, how it's functioning, where it's under strain, because the reality is that many of the challenges that we're hearing about, including the vacancies, are not isolated.

1:33:17They're showing up across providers, across funding structures, and across the broader housing ecosystem in our country.

1:33:23So today we've invited a group of partners representing different parts of that system— operations, development, finance, policy, and services— to help ground us in what they are seeing on the ground.

1:33:35And so the goal is to better understand what has changed in recent years, what challenges are shared across the system, and where there may be opportunities for the city to better align policy, funding, and coordination To improve the health and sustainability of the system, and ultimately to make sure that we are focused on what matters most: whether people in our communities are able to access and stay in safe, stable housing.

1:33:59With that, I want to thank all of our panelists for being here today and for the work that you're all doing in our community.

1:34:04Thank you.

1:34:06So before we start, I want to just talk through how we're going to structure this conversation.

1:34:11We're going to begin with about 10 minutes of introductions.

1:34:13Where each panelist will have about a minute or 2 to briefly describe their role and the scope of their work within Portland's affordable housing system.

1:34:21And then from there, we're going to move into about 45 minutes of facilitated questions where I will guide the discussion across a few key topics.

1:34:28And the goal is to cut— have a broad spread of discussion from all of our panelists.

1:34:35During that portion, I'd ask that committee members hold questions to clarifying questions So that we can make sure we hear from everyone and move through the full set of questions today.

1:34:45And then we're going to transition into essentially whatever is remaining in the committee.

1:34:49We have about 20 minutes budgeted, but we have more time in the rest of the meeting.

1:34:55So whatever we need to take up until the end of the meeting, where councilors will have the opportunity to ask follow-up questions and engage more directly with this panel.

1:35:04So with that, let's move into the discussion.

1:35:07Thank you again, panelists, for being here.

1:35:09Thank you.

1:35:10And we're going to have you each introduce your organization, the scope of the work within Portland's affordable housing system, so that that can ground the rest of our conversation.

1:35:21So I'm actually going to call you by name and go from there.

1:35:25So we're going to start with Michael Bonaccor representing the Portland Housing Bureau.

Unidentified speaker 1:35:34 - 1:35:35

1:35:34Thank you, Chair Avalos.

Candace Avalos 1:35:35 - 1:35:36

1:35:35It's a little awkward.

Unidentified speaker 1:35:36 - 1:35:37

1:35:36Yeah.

Loretta Smith 1:35:41 - 1:35:42

1:35:41Squeeze.

Unidentified speaker 1:35:42 - 1:36:40

1:35:42Yeah.

1:35:43Thank you.

1:35:44Michael Bonaccor, interim director for the Portland Housing Bureau.

1:35:47Probably worth emphasizing that point because everyone knows that I will be transitioning to the interim director role at Home Forward, but we are all sort of clearly delineating that transition.

1:36:00So I'm here today specifically and solely in my role as the Portland Housing Bureau director the Housing Bureau funds affordable housing, sets housing policy for the city, supports homeownership and homeowner retention throughout the city of Portland.

1:36:17As it relates to today's conversation, the Housing Bureau provides regulatory oversight and support to a portfolio of about 19,000 apartments within the city, including for thank you, Michael.

Candace Avalos 1:36:40 - 1:36:42

1:36:40Next we'll do Ian from Home Forward.

Unidentified speaker 1:36:42 - 1:37:29

1:36:42Thank you, Chair.

1:36:43Ian Davey, Chief Operating Officer with Home Forward.

1:36:45Home Forward is the housing authority serving Multnomah County.

1:36:48We house thousands of tenants throughout the community.

1:36:51We own over 7,000 units of affordable housing, some deeply subsidized such as public housing, some without deep subsidies, low-income tax housing tax credit, but we do provide affordable housing to all Portlandians.

1:37:00Housing.

1:37:01We also administer over 10,000 Housing Choice Vouchers.

1:37:05Some of those are project-based, meaning they're tied to a specific unit.

1:37:09Many of those are also tenant-based, meaning a tenant can reside with those either in affordable housing or in market-rate housing.

1:37:15In my role as Chief Operating Officer, oversee our property management team, our asset management team on the portfolio side, oversee on the rent assistance side homeless initiatives and our Housing Choice Voucher programs, and then also oversee our legal and communications teams.

1:37:28Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:37:29 - 1:37:34

1:37:29Next we'll have Madison from REACH CDC.

Unidentified speaker 1:37:36 - 1:38:23

1:37:36Hi, Council Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green.

1:37:39Thank you so much for the opportunity.

1:37:40My name is Madison Moskowitz and I'm Government Relations Manager for REACH Community Development.

1:37:46REACH was founded in Southeast Portland in 1982 and now owns, uh, just about 2,700 homes across Portland.

1:37:56Um, most of those are low-income housing tax credit regulated affordable housing, um, sort of in the, in the middle of the, um, income band.

1:38:06And, uh, a lot of our residents are seniors, and all of them are low-income folks who are facing, um, barriers to economic empowerment, um, barriers to healthcare access, and the rest.

1:38:19Um, and really happy to be here.

1:38:22Thank you for having this conversation.

Candace Avalos 1:38:24 - 1:38:28

1:38:24Thank you.

1:38:26Next, we have Tracy from the Housing Development Center.

Unidentified speaker 1:38:29 - 1:40:46

1:38:29Thank you, Chair Avalos.

1:38:31Thank you for having me.

1:38:32My name is Tracy Manning.

1:38:33I am the executive director of the Housing Development Center.

1:38:37We're a statewide nonprofit.

1:38:39We've been around for 33 years, and we specifically work with other nonprofits, housing authorities, and local governments.

1:38:47To help them build and sustain affordable housing.

1:38:51And that sustain part is really what we're here for today.

1:38:54We're probably best known for our development work.

1:38:58We work with a lot of small rural BIPOC organizations, but really all kinds of folks all over the state.

1:39:04But an executive director of HDC maybe a couple decades ago got really passionate about sustaining affordable housing and, you know, what we call asset management.

1:39:17And it's—.

1:39:18Thank you.

1:39:19It's underfunded and under— it's not the sexy part at all, but it's really important.

1:39:24So I really want to thank the committee for being willing to dig into this, the unsexy side of this work.

1:39:32A couple things I want to highlight about what we've been doing more recently.

1:39:35We did PHB's portfolio analysis in 2025.

1:39:40We've been consulting with Metro to help them set up their asset management systems for the bond.

1:39:46We recently completed training for all of OHCS's asset management and compliance staff and those management teams.

1:39:54The last Oregon long session, Oregon legislative long session, they allocated specifically to address portfolio sustainability, allocated $3.3 million to be contracted between OHCS to HDC to impact urgent issues.

1:40:12In property and asset management capacity, and also to do the work to figure out how to impact those causes.

1:40:20And so I'm hoping we can build some partnerships there.

1:40:24And I guess I just want to mention that I've personally been in the industry for 33 years, and at one point was hired by Commissioner Nick Fish to run the relatively young Portland Housing Bureau, and worked with him for a couple years, and Commissioner Saltzman for a couple of years.

1:40:40Thank you.

1:40:42Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:40:47 - 1:40:48

1:40:47Next we have Brian from Housing Oregon.

Unidentified speaker 1:40:50 - 1:42:18

1:40:50Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, my name is Brian Hoop, Executive Director of Housing Oregon.

1:40:56We've been around since 1993.

1:40:58We're the statewide association representing about 150 member organizations, mission-driven community development corporations that build, finance, and operate affordable housing.

1:41:08We represent the nonprofit affordable housing industry spectrum from homeless service providers to multifamily rental developers and homeownership organizations and a number of for-profit affiliate businesses.

1:41:23About half our members are based in the Portland metro area.

1:41:27Our mission is to strengthen the collective voice and capacity of mission-driven organizations that serve the needs that of low-income families and families share in need.

1:41:32A commitment to housing justice.

1:41:34And through our statewide network, we build the affordable housing sector by offering education, resource development, and policy advocacy.

1:41:43And our Portland Metro Policy Council is our primary table where our members engage in developing policy positions, and many city, metro, and state officials often come and are in dialogue with our members on important issues.

1:41:57And lastly, Lastly, it's important to remember that the mission of nonprofit housing organizations is to keep people housed, and nonprofit housing providers are eager to continue working with the city on these issues and to help find solutions.

1:42:14And we know, recognize that we're not going to solve these issues, challenges on our own.

Candace Avalos 1:42:21 - 1:42:24

1:42:21Thank you.

1:42:22Next we have Elsa from Our Just Future.

Unidentified speaker 1:42:26 - 1:44:42

1:42:26Good afternoon, Chair Avalos and Vice Chair Green.

1:42:31My name is Elson Atal.

1:42:33I serve as the Affordable Housing Director for Our Just Future.

1:42:37I appreciate the opportunity to be here today.

1:42:40At Our Just Future, our work is rooted in safe, stable, and affordable, affordable housing, and it is a fundamental foundation for thriving communities.

1:42:53We focus on expanding access to affordable housing, preventing displacement, and ensuring that historically underserved residents, particularly low-income households and communities of color, have an opportunity to remain housed.

1:43:09Our Just Future primarily focuses on providing services, preventing— owning and operating affordable housing, and preventing housing loss and eviction in East Multnomah.

1:43:23We have approximately 900 units of affordable housing in our portfolio.

1:43:31Most of the units in our portfolio are large family units comprised of 4 or 5-bedroom family-style older thank you.

1:43:45We pride ourselves in primarily focusing on housing large families and families of color and providing a stable, safe place for residents that are the most vulnerable.

1:44:01My role at Our Just Future is to oversee the development of our projects, to oversee the asset management of our our various communities, as well as providing resident services for, uh, the— for the, um, residents of our communities.

1:44:18Our organization directly works with community members, listening to their needs and experiences and translating those into practical and equitable solutions.

1:44:29Uh, I am here today to share our thoughts, uh, from our community and to work, uh, on providing solutions.

1:44:38Thank you for your time and your commitment to this work.

1:44:42Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:44:42 - 1:44:44

1:44:42And last but not least, Erica from NEA.

Unidentified speaker 1:44:45 - 1:45:57

1:44:45Yes, uh, good afternoon, Chair Avalos and committee members.

1:44:49My name is Erica Silver, and I'm the director of Housing and Stabilization Services for NEA, which is the Native American Youth and Family Center.

1:44:59And we are a wraparound agency serving the urban Indigenous community we serve people from more than 380 different tribal affiliations, and a lot of our mission has to do with the success of Native youth.

1:45:16But it was realized a long time ago that in order to accomplish that, housing had to be a major part of that puzzle.

1:45:25We right now are probably the smallest provider in this table.

1:45:30We have a little over 280 units.

1:45:35Um, we have a mix of permanent supportive housing, project-based vouchers.

1:45:40We also have some Indian housing block grants through a partnership with the Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians.

1:45:48And then we also have just some regular affordable housing, uh, at 50% and 60%.

1:45:57Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:45:57 - 1:46:01

1:45:57I'm so sorry, I accidentally looked over my list at Angela.

1:46:00My bad, Angela.

Unidentified speaker 1:46:01 - 1:46:11

1:46:01You are not I thought I was getting out of here early.

1:46:07Chair Avalos, Vice Chair Green, thank you, and the rest of the committee, thank you so much.

Loretta Smith 1:46:11 - 1:46:12

1:46:11Angela Martin.

Unidentified speaker 1:46:12 - 1:47:15

1:46:12I'm the executive director of Here Together Coalition, a regional coalition of homeless service providers, affordable housing organizations, advocates, businesses, community partners, groups that came together to champion and help pass this regional supportive housing services measure.

1:46:30We continue operating as a coalition to focus both on implementation and on renewal, something that we're all very much depending on.

1:46:41I also serve on several oversight roles which inform some of the response that you'll hear from me today.

1:46:48The new Metro Regional Policy Oversight Committee, which manages Supportive Housing Services Fund, the Multnomah County Homeless Response Community Advisory Committee, and I serve as the board chair of Hacienda CDC.

1:47:01I've served on that board for 15 years.

1:47:04All of this means I just go to a lot of meetings, but more importantly, it means that I get to do a lot of listening to people who work throughout the continuum of affordable housing and homelessness.

1:47:15Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:47:16 - 1:48:12

1:47:16Great, thank you.

1:47:18So I've got a couple of categories of questions, just committee members, so you know, and the panelists have these questions in front of them ahead of time.

1:47:25We'll start with an opening question and we'll talk a little bit about occupancy challenges, occupancy trends, in particular with HDC and PHB, community safety, systems alignment involving tenant needs and solutions.

1:47:41So those are the kinds of categories of our discussion.

1:47:44And in each one, I'll— some of them I might point to particular people that I'd like to answer.

1:47:50But I'll just kind of manage time and we'll get through the facilitated discussion.

1:47:56So the first question is, how would you describe the current state of affordable housing in Portland comparing pre-COVID to today?

1:48:04And what are the greatest challenges to housing stability for the households that you serve?

1:48:09And I wanted to kick that off with Brian, if you could.

Unidentified speaker 1:48:15 - 1:51:24

1:48:15Thanks, Chair Avalos.

1:48:17So I would characterize it as the old affordable housing model is broken.

1:48:23Before COVID mission-driven or mission-based affordable housing providers made the numbers work.

1:48:29Rents covered operations.

1:48:31The small margins that they made supported resident services, community organizing, and long-term stewardship.

1:48:38That model is now broken.

1:48:41After COVID, The cost of operating housing shot up.

1:48:45Insurance, labor, maintenance, and utilities all became more expensive due to inflation.

1:48:52Fentanyl use spread.

1:48:54More people came indoors directly from the street with much higher acuity needs.

1:48:58Our mental health and behavioral health systems were nowhere near strong enough to meet those realities and serve those residents.

1:49:06A few of the challenges organizations are facing right now, tenant needs have increased well beyond what current funding levels can support, creating a structural mismatch between what housing is expected to do and what it is resourced to deliver.

1:49:24Many of our members have been asked to serve residents with high acuity needs without U.S. Housing and Urban Development or state or local local jurisdictions providing the necessary rent assistance that's needed to stabilize those housings over the long term.

1:49:40Portions of the behavioral health system have contracted, shifting responsibility for individuals with unmanaged mental illness or substance use disorders onto housing providers.

1:49:50Again, while operating costs, the staffing, safety, insurance, and maintenance costs have risen significantly without corresponding increases in funding.

1:50:00In units serving the lowest income and highest need residents in Portland, rents do not cover operating expenses even in buildings without debt service.

1:50:10Tenant needs have shifted as well in recent years.

1:50:15There's again thousands of residents with high or worsening medical and behavioral healthcare needs including substance use disorders, psychosis, traumatic brain injury.

1:50:24And aging-related conditions.

1:50:27It's my understanding in the Portland metro area roughly about 27,000 individuals, about 10% of Medicaid members, account for approximately 24% of healthcare costs and 40% of inpatient utilization.

1:50:42Many individuals in this group are also experiencing housing instability.

1:50:46And lastly, some of the key barriers that are impacting our members members' work.

1:50:51When individuals are housed that are not matched with the right services, our members face increased cost, risk, retention, and morale challenges for staff, resulting in turnover and recruitment challenges and operating deficits.

1:51:06Without actions, the consequences are clear.

1:51:09Housing providers will be forced to reduce services.

1:51:12Units will destabilize or go offline.

1:51:15And some providers will exit altogether at a time when they are needed most.

1:51:21I could say more, but others have more to share as well.

Candace Avalos 1:51:25 - 1:51:27

1:51:25Thank you, Brian.

1:51:27Let's hear from Ian next.

Unidentified speaker 1:51:30 - 1:52:32

1:51:30Sure.

1:51:31Well, I'll touch on 4 points.

1:51:33I think by far the biggest challenge facing residents right now in remaining housing stable is affordability.

1:51:39We just see a trend where despite thank you.

1:51:41So I'll just make a couple of brief comments.

1:51:41One is, I think it's important to note that we're here tonight being at this table talking about affordable housing.

1:51:43We know that for a lot of the folks needing supportive housing or folks exiting chronic homelessness, rents at the fixed levels that exist in a lot of our unsubsidized housing is not affordable.

1:51:56The second piece that relates pretty closely is the ability to access tenant services.

1:52:00While folks around this table and our region as a whole has done a commendable job in aligning new affordable housing construction with supportive housing services, those often don't appear for everyone and they don't exist in all types of affordable housing.

1:52:18So on the tenant side, those are 2 pretty massive challenges that they face.

1:52:22Now those relate to some of the biggest challenges on the provider side, some of which Brian highlighted there, right?

1:52:28The first is rising costs that were never anticipated in terms of how our—.

Steve Novick 1:52:32 - 1:52:32

1:52:32Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 1:52:34 - 1:54:49

1:52:34Housing developments and our broader housing, affordable housing market was established, right?

1:52:38Those include security, insurance, maintenance, labor, and then those tenant services that I highlighted up front, right?

1:52:46Which are a benefit to tenants, but also benefit to the providers in that they maintain the stability of those communities.

1:52:53And then the second piece there is it's just a challenging market.

1:52:57And I do believe that some of these items are cyclical.

1:53:00But what we've seen right now is a reality where many of the broader market rents, because of a slight dip or a leveling in the market, mean that they are as competitive sometimes as affordable housing rents.

1:53:16That is wonderful in one respect because it represents a lot of choice for tenants and families, right?

1:53:22They could choose to live maybe a little bit further out from downtown, maybe closer to parks or schools or jobs, and maybe just pay a little bit more.

1:53:30They don't have to deal with regulated housing and paperwork and all the pieces of the puzzle that exist for regulated housing providers.

1:53:40But that said, it then creates more competition for us and results in potentially less revenue coming in, some of the lower occupancy rates that Chair highlighted up front.

1:53:50And so I think when we combine those 4 things together, And we look at that over time, we are seeing real impacts post-COVID.

1:53:58And that is in part due to some of the ways that our society has really shifted.

1:54:02But I think it also is just a reflection of the pretty bold and audacious work that we did as a community, right?

1:54:09We created thousands of units of housing.

1:54:11We passed big bonds that were focused on construction, but also services.

1:54:17And while we have achieved a lot, We're sort of in the settling period that I think the providers around the room would see in any given community, right?

1:54:26As a community comes together, we often see it takes a couple years for the property management companies and the residents to really get to know each other and gel.

1:54:36I think we're seeing that more broadly as a region right now where, to Brian's point, we know we have items that we really need to fix within the broader system, and yet we've done a lot of great work to get there.

1:54:47So those are a few of the challenges that we're seeing.

Loretta Smith 1:54:49 - 1:54:50

1:54:49Thank you.

Candace Avalos 1:54:52 - 1:54:57

1:54:52Thank you, Ian.

1:54:52And then lastly on this opening question, let's hear from Madison, and then we'll keep going through a couple other topics.

Unidentified speaker 1:54:58 - 1:56:16

1:54:58Yeah, thank you, Chair Avalos.

1:55:00I think Ian and Brian are spot on that the pandemic kind of created this triple whammy of rising costs, and whether that's insurance, security is, is a big one that doesn't often go in the pro forma when you're doing a development that you're going to maybe need security, ongoing security costs.

1:55:21But that adds in, like, could add in multiple FTEs of a new labor cost, right?

1:55:27So, um, a lot of nonprofits, not just REACH and not just in Portland or in our metro area, are struggling with this.

1:55:35This is something we've seen across California and Washington, Minnesota, New York.

1:55:40So it's more than just Portland, but it's very acute here.

1:55:45And I think this conversation points to that.

1:55:48I think I would just sum it up that the gap between the resources we have and the needs of our residents is just broadening as federal resources disappear and our local budgets are strained.

1:56:06Um, local, state, everywhere in between.

1:56:09Um, so the gap is— it's wider, uh, than ever, and it, it seems to be continuing to grow.

Candace Avalos 1:56:19 - 1:56:52

1:56:19Thank you.

1:56:21So this next, um, area of questions is around, um, vacancy.

1:56:27So definitely want to start with Home Forward.

1:56:29And if you can talk to us about what are the primary and a sub-question, which is, you know, we're often asked why rents are not reduced to attract tenants to vacant units.

1:56:42Could you speak to that question?

1:56:43I think you started to get to that.

1:56:45And I want to line up that I'd like to hear from Tracy and Erica and Madison if we have time on this question.

1:56:51Go ahead.

Steve Novick 1:56:52 - 1:56:52

1:56:52Sure.

Unidentified speaker 1:56:52 - 1:58:42

1:56:52Thank you, Chair.

1:56:54I would say there are 3 main trends that we are seeing coming up in terms of the occupancy rate.

1:56:59Thank you.

1:57:03So when we look at the total affordable unit vacancies in Home Forward's portfolio, half of those appear in 8 buildings in the urban core.

1:57:14Home Forward owns over 100 buildings, right, throughout the county.

1:57:18So we see a real concentration there.

1:57:20And when we dive into those numbers, which is hundreds of vacancies, not insignificant, We see that 97% of those vacant units are unsubsidized, meaning they have a fixed rent that is just unaffordable to a lot of households.

1:57:33Again, to the example I provided earlier, who could choose to live a little bit further outside the city and have a pretty different environment than living downtown.

1:57:43And we see that 89% of those vacant units are smaller bedroom sizes, SROs, Right.

1:57:52So we've tried to really focus a lot of our attention on those units, recognizing that those are not low-hanging fruit, but those are the biggest challenge that we face and probably a lot of the folks at this table face.

1:58:07So then you asked the question about rents.

1:58:10I will start by saying that we have reduced rents at well over a half dozen properties.

1:58:15Many of the properties that It ultimately is an exercise in balancing mission with financial prudence, right?

1:58:26Madison highlighted some of the ways that we were not expecting that rents would not meet costs when these buildings were set up 5, 10, 20 years ago.

1:58:36And so we've had to make sure that we're being very careful there, recognizing that a lot of these market cycles are not predictable.

Loretta Smith 1:58:42 - 1:58:42

1:58:42Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 1:58:43 - 1:59:59

1:58:43Yes.

1:58:45And we are actually already seeing that even in the urban core.

1:58:53And so probably the other side of the coin here is debt coverage ratio, which you probably have read about recently.

1:58:59And the reality of debt coverage ratio is it is just a function of rents coming in and costs going out, right?

1:59:05So as we reduce rents and as we increase costs, Yes.

1:59:09That debt-to-coverage ratio is going to shift in a tough direction from a lender standpoint.

1:59:15When we look at our debt-to-coverage ratio over years, we see that we have invested more in tenant-facing supports.

1:59:21A lot of those are direct resident services, and we have kept rents as steady as possible in our housing.

1:59:28And I think Home Forward is unique in that we do not increase rents every year to the maximum level we would be able to increase to.

1:59:37But we try to make sure that we can maintain that housing stability for tenants.

1:59:40And we're at a point now where we are taking a hard look, building-specific, where we can reduce those rents.

1:59:47And then finally, you asked about solutions.

1:59:49The first is taking a hard look at where a given building or our broader operating incomes can support rent reductions.

1:59:58The other pieces are tenant concessions.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 1:59:59 - 1:59:59

1:59:59Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 2:00:00 - 2:01:01

2:00:00Those are both move-in concessions.

2:00:02And so we've begun offering a free month of rent and seeking no application fees.

2:00:08We're also looking at property management company incentives, providing a bonus for every unit leased, providing a longer-term bonus for maintaining stable staffing at a property, both on the maintenance and the property management side.

2:00:22We see that where there's over a year of stable staffing, We have much better outcomes both in terms of community safety and occupancy and a lot of the sort of core operational metrics.

2:00:34And then in general, just property management supports and transitions, right?

2:00:39So we've tried to really dive in and understand what are the challenging properties for which property management companies and is this gonna work long-term?

2:00:46If it's not, let's talk about what a transition could look like and where it is, you know, how can we continue to support?

2:00:51So I would put rents and tenant concessions at the top of that list.

2:00:55And then there are a few other items that we're really focused on and have been for a number of months and certainly are in the months ahead.

2:01:01Thank you.

Candace Avalos 2:01:02 - 2:01:06

2:01:02Thank you, Ian.

2:01:04Let's hear from Erica next.

Unidentified speaker 2:01:07 - 2:01:43

2:01:07Thank you.

2:01:10Some of our properties don't really struggle with vacancies as much as other properties.

2:01:16So similar to what Ian was saying.

2:01:22And I would say some of the reason is a little out of our control, and it more has to do with what's going on in the surrounding neighborhood and where it just is not as attractive a property for people to want to live.

2:01:38But as, as we've been talking, I really believe like everything is interconnected.

Keelan McClymont 2:01:44 - 2:01:44

2:01:44Yeah.

Unidentified speaker 2:01:46 - 2:03:33

2:01:46And so the word gets out.

2:01:49It takes— if we definitely want, and we work really hard to support people to stay housed, but sometimes in a building, if you have 1 or 2 tenants that have really actually committed some egregious violations and it's affecting the livability and the safety of the whole building, it takes a lot of work to get them out.

2:02:09And I think that's It takes such a long time to help those tenants to not live there anymore.

2:02:17So, and the word gets out on the street about that.

2:02:22And so that is one thing that I wanted to bring up that hasn't been brought up yet.

2:02:27It's property management and kind of the margins for property management at low-income housing is a real struggle to find quality property management that will stick with it, have staff retention, help work with us together to build a nice, positive, healthy community in the building.

2:02:57It's just sometimes so challenging.

2:02:59And again, like the margins just aren't there.

2:03:05So that's one thing.

2:03:06And then I think it can happen so fast where vacancies then lead to financial stress, and then it— some of the things at the property don't get addressed in the way that we would want them to.

2:03:23And it could be something so simple as shampooing the carpet, you know, but then when a prospective resident comes to look at it, they're like, I don't know about this.

Loretta Smith 2:03:33 - 2:03:34

2:03:33Place.

Unidentified speaker 2:03:34 - 2:04:55

2:03:34And, um, and, and like, it's just sometimes very, um, subtle things like that, but that kind of can make a downward spiral.

2:03:44Um, and I think as far as solutions, um, debt restructuring, um, is definitely one, um, that the state is helping us with right now at a few properties, and we're definitely like looking forward to seeing the actual result of that.

2:04:05I think another one that has been mentioned a little bit, but maybe not as much, is just resident services have to be above the line or there has to be another funding source for resident services.

2:04:20Like it's just, it's a necessary thing.

2:04:22And I will actually say that at one building that we partnered with Home Forward on, our resident services coordinator was the person who saved somebody's life yesterday.

2:04:33And like, and they— it is a necessary function.

2:04:37And we shouldn't be having to always looking for what grants can we get to fill in for this and how do we package it so that it seems like something new.

2:04:48Like resident services is just a necessary thing.

2:04:51So those are some of our thoughts.

2:04:54Thank you.

2:04:55Thank you so much.

Candace Avalos 2:04:57 - 2:04:58

2:04:57Thank you, Tracy.

Unidentified speaker 2:05:01 - 2:05:45

2:05:01Thank you.

2:05:02I'll be quick.

2:05:02I'm going to save some of my sort of zoom-out comments for the next question, but we are working with PHB to collect vacancy data for the mayor's vacancy activation committee.

2:05:15And so I can share a couple additional things that we've heard from folks, Home Forward's been real forthcoming about the fact that the properties in the central city, downtown, Northwest, are some of the properties facing the biggest vacancy challenges.

2:05:32It's also true for some providers in outer Southeast and Northeast.

2:05:37Those exact same areas have the highest vacancy percentage in the Multifamily Northwest recent survey, right?

2:05:45So it—.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:05:45 - 2:05:46

2:05:45Yes, Yes.

Unidentified speaker 2:05:46 - 2:07:21

2:05:46Affordable housing is a special snowflake and there are market trends that are impacting everybody.

2:05:54I think, you know, referral system labor shortages impact the whole market.

2:06:00So referral systems from service providers, people who are providing care in permanent supportive housing, addiction support, mental health support, they're all facing labor shortages.

2:06:15Property management system is in a real world of hurt right now, and that has a really heavy impact.

2:06:22And you can't just, oh, let's just change property managers because it upsets— I mean, sometimes you have to, but there's a real impact to tenants certainly and to the whole system with what's going on with property management right now.

2:06:41Deferred maintenance is another sort of downstream impact.

2:06:46They're taking units offline.

2:06:48Units turn over very slowly when you have a labor shortage and you don't have funding.

2:06:54And then I think I really wanna highlight particularly what Erica was sharing about the system as a whole is interconnected.

2:07:03And my— over the first half of my career was at Central City Concern.

2:07:07And I think, you know, we all know that partnership with addiction services, mental health services, healthcare, all of that for me personally shows up at home and it does for folks living in affordable housing too.

Candace Avalos 2:07:21 - 2:07:26

2:07:21So thank you.

2:07:24And Madison, lastly on this question.

Unidentified speaker 2:07:26 - 2:11:01

2:07:26Yeah, thank you.

2:07:29I really appreciated what, Ian, what you mentioned about affordability.

2:07:33And the challenges of occupancy within sort of particular geographies, I think it's really important to talk about the population that we serve.

2:07:45So from REACH's perspective, the majority of our communities are for folks who are at or below 60% area median income.

2:07:54In Portland, that's just under $60,000 a year in income for a couple, or under about $75,000 for a family of 4.

2:08:03So a household has to make below that threshold in income annually, but they still have to be able to make enough to pay their rent.

2:08:09So that's a pretty narrow band of Portlanders.

2:08:12And to the question of, you know, why can't we just reduce the rent to get folks into these units?

2:08:16Well, the rents have to be high enough that the building can service its debt and then pay for the resident services that keeps folks stable, the maintenance, Unit turns, etc.

2:08:29Um, so it's a— it's sort of a, a high-wire balancing act.

2:08:33Um, and in Portland's economy today, I think the share of households that, um, qualify for that band and then can keep paying their rent once their income qualified for that unit, um, is shrinking.

2:08:46Um, so it makes it harder to get folks into the units in the first place, and then it makes it hard to help those folks continue paying their rent and, and stay stable.

2:08:57I also think we at REACH see a geographic input to vacancies, especially out in East Portland where we see lower response times from Portland Police, for example.

2:09:09There's been some engagement with the mayor's office about addressing some of those public safety concerns.

2:09:14But Erica, to your point, like, word gets out that uh, one property may have— residents could experience a crime in their neighborhood that gets out, and then we have one building in East Portland that has a boatload of vacancies that are all 60% studios and one-bedrooms.

2:09:34I also think that there's an administrative burden that I haven't heard talked about nearly as much, but for a LIHTC building, low-income housing tax tax credit building, um, to get a voucher, to get into a more deeply subsidized affordable unit, there's a lot of paperwork.

2:09:53And when we see those 60%, uh, rents sitting really at par with a market unit, sometimes a resident could be looking at 2 properties across the street from each other.

2:10:06One's $10 more, but it has 100 fewer pages of paperwork for that household to do.

2:10:11And for, you know, a working mom or just somebody who has not a lot of free time and doesn't love doing paperwork, like, that's an easier choice for them.

2:10:21So I think that that contributes to the challenges of getting folks into these vacant units.

2:10:30And of course, residents' higher acuity makes it challenging to get them what they need so they can maintain stable housing in partnership with the housing provider.

2:10:38So, um, a couple of— and then also the, the cycle of needing capital repairs for a specific property to ensure that these units are habitable and rentable.

2:10:49Uh, we as a nonprofit can't afford to make those capital repairs because of low rent collections because the vacant units need repairs.

2:10:59You see how this goes.

2:11:01Thank you.

Candace Avalos 2:11:02 - 2:11:22

2:11:02Thank you.

2:11:03So the next section, uh, I want to hear from Michael and Tracy.

2:11:06So for HDC, what is the And why do you believe we are currently seeing a much higher rate?

2:11:14And then for Michael, what occupancy trends is PHB seeing across the city's regulated affordable housing portfolio?

2:11:21Tracy, go ahead.

Unidentified speaker 2:11:22 - 2:14:19

2:11:22Yeah, thank you.

2:11:24So forever, 5 to 7% physical vacancy has been what we've used, and for the most part, it's worked.

2:11:35In terms of why it isn't working now, I want to kind of hearken back to some other folks' comments.

2:11:43They've said a lot about these costs were outside of the pro forma or, you know, they're just past the margins.

2:11:49And really by design, the affordable housing system since the beginning normally has a small margin of error for really good reasons, right?

2:12:00We want to get the most bang for the public buck.

2:12:03We want to serve as many people as we can.

2:12:07I mean, for years, you know, we were looking at up to Seattle and their levy and how did they do it?

2:12:14How did they keep getting bigger levies?

2:12:15And a bunch of us would go up there and they'd talk to us about what they did.

2:12:19And what they kept saying to us over and over is you got to under-promise and over-deliver.

2:12:24And so we finally got our bond and we did.

2:12:28Like, we under-promised, we delivered more units.

2:12:30Thank you.

2:12:31Than we said we were going to, to the voters.

2:12:34And there's really good reasons that we did all that.

2:12:37But unit volume meant smaller units, they're cheaper.

2:12:41So some of those studios and ones, and it also meant units that needed to collect a higher rent.

2:12:47And so, you know, you kind of zooming out and looking at the system, we've built a system on small margins for good reasons.

2:12:56And over time, we've been really good at yes.

2:12:59Scrimping and dealing with one or two issues that came up at a time.

2:13:04Forever, you know, sort of said every organization that has been doing affordable housing for a long time has one or two stinkers in their portfolio, projects that are underwater, but the rest of the portfolio was fine.

2:13:16And so organizations would make it work, but it was how the system was sort of designed and it balanced because everything else was doing okay.

2:13:29But we are also getting away with not investing, and this is the geekiest thing I will say today probably, in asset management, right?

2:13:37So that's the practice of long-term care of assets.

2:13:40You know, if you think of housing as infrastructure, somebody's gotta be keeping an eye on it.

2:13:46And organizations, you know, when a building was not hitting pro forma, there's just things you do without.

2:13:52And again, that margin of error has continued to work until, as sort of Brian referenced and a few other people referenced in their pro forma, it stopped working pretty abruptly around COVID.

2:14:07That's when the labor market really changed, which impacted property managers and resident service providers and supportive service providers, but also impact— really impacted tenants.

Candace Avalos 2:14:19 - 2:14:20

2:14:19Right?

Unidentified speaker 2:14:20 - 2:15:52

2:14:20Like, gig economy is bullshit when you're trying to rent a rent-regulated unit.

2:14:25Excuse me.

2:14:28And the prices for everything went up all at once.

2:14:32Utilities, insurance, you know, everything.

2:14:37Carpet, new carpets.

2:14:39And so the margin of error, you've heard from several folks here, is just gone.

2:14:45I don't know if it's permanent, but for a project that has this pro forma that's sort of stuck in cement and wasn't built with a margin of error, it's probably something not close to permanent.

2:15:03Owners just lose their flexibility and also the resources they need to fulfill their mission.

2:15:10Repairs slip.

2:15:12Reserves get raided, and we do start with reserves.

2:15:15Positions stay vacant, and then eventually low-income renters are left living in buildings that are affordable and yet less safe, less decent, and less stable.

2:15:25I think I stole that from ShelterForce 'cause they really did a really good job of explaining it.

2:15:30So I don't know that the system is changed dramatically so much As it was, those margins were always by design, in my opinion, too thin because we couldn't, you know, we were trying to do our best with the public dollar and we did for a really long time.

Candace Avalos 2:15:55 - 2:15:56

2:15:55Thank you.

2:15:56Michael.

Unidentified speaker 2:15:58 - 2:19:35

2:15:58That is a great act to follow 'cause I wanna pick up on some of the themes that Tracy raised.

2:16:03Thank you.

2:16:03You heard Tracy use a phrase, Physical vacancy, right?

2:16:08Yeah.

2:16:10And that is a big emphasis of a lot of the public conversation that's happening right now around the issue of vacancy.

2:16:18And another really significant issue that I think there's some reluctance among providers to talk about is the idea of economic vacancy, which means there are folks who are living in apartments and are unable to pay their rent, right?

2:16:35And so this idea of we've got a lot of homeless folks and we've got a lot of vacancies, and those 2 things, there should be a solution with that math.

2:16:51But we have to talk about the fact that folks who are in apartments are struggling to be able to pay their rent.

2:16:56And when we talk about thank you.

2:16:57We talk about all of the economic pressures that providers are facing.

2:17:01It doesn't help them to fill their apartments if the folks who are living in them don't have the means to make their rent.

2:17:09And the choices that are associated with solving for that are really difficult, right?

2:17:14There's eviction for nonpayment of rent, and no one wants to do that, particularly mission-driven organizations.

2:17:20There's support with rent assistance that we all understand is and so, you know, the slate of options for dealing with all of that become even more complicated.

2:17:36And I think it's just really important to name that dynamic.

2:17:41And something else that Tracy talked about that I wanna pick up on is just this idea of what we have, Thank you.

2:17:49—Of promise to the community and how we need to think about changing that conversation as we move forward and as we ask them to invest in some next version of what funding for affordable housing looks like, whether it's social housing, whether it's another bond that does affordable housing.

2:18:08As Tracy said, and I think it bears repeating, we valued getting as many apartments as possible for the bond dollars last yes.

2:18:19And that meant building lots of studios and one-bedrooms.

2:18:26In the solicitation that the Portland Housing Bureau has out on the street right now, we have said for multifamily development that unless there's a very specific reason, we're not going to fund the building of studio apartments in this particular development.

2:18:45And where we have set a maximum subsidy of $150,000 In the past, we're saying we're not going to set a max subsidy.

2:18:54We want you to explain to us how the costs that you are building into your pro forma are gonna help you have a healthy operating budget moving forward.

2:19:07And that, you know, those kinds of steps, this is a very small, I mean, this is one solicitation, right?

2:19:12This is a very small step, but it's going to involve us talking to the community about the lowest price per door is not the highest value that we can deliver when we're perpetuating these sorts of systemic issues.

2:19:25And we have to think about how we as funders and policymakers are approaching those investments differently.

2:19:32So there's lots more to potentially say, but I'll leave it with that for now.

Candace Avalos 2:19:36 - 2:20:28

2:19:36Thank you.

2:19:36Yeah.

2:19:38So for the sake of time, I'm going to go into the community safety questions.

2:19:41I'm going to call on a couple of you, and then I want to open it up to committee so that we have time for the committee members to ask you questions.

2:19:48So the community safety questions, I'm going to read all 3 of them, and then I'm going to ask for Angela and Elsa to respond.

2:19:56Sound good?

2:19:58So we've heard and seen reports raising concerns about safety in affordable housing.

2:20:03Can you talk about how safety needs have shifted over time, how that's showing up in your work, What role do onsite services, resident engagement, and property management play in improving safety outcomes, and anything that the city can do in supporting affordable housing providers that are to address safety challenges?

2:20:22So very broad, but let's just hear from Angela and Elsa, and then we'll open up to committee members.

2:20:27Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:20:29 - 2:23:39

2:20:29Well, this has been well touched on because the safety issues that so many of the affordable housing providers are dealing with are a direct result of the increased acuity of the population that we're housing and the lack of services and funding to address that acuity.

2:20:51You said it so well.

2:20:52Um, at Hacienda, uh, Las Alitas was one of our proudest, uh, new properties.

2:20:58Oh.

2:20:59I loved it.

2:20:59It used to be the Sugar Shack, if y'all live in that neighborhood.

2:21:03What a moment to know that we were going to rise up, uh, housing for families.

2:21:08It became such a difficult property for us to lease up, in part because of the word got out that, uh, we had some troubled tenants.

2:21:19I was an advocate for including PSH.

2:21:23Uh, I might have been one of the few advocates at the board because of the work that I do, but the mismatch of the families that were placed in our PSH units without the level of support necessary created a very unsafe environment for families and children.

2:21:40So I understand, uh, what— why they made those decisions.

2:21:44So if we're going to get to safety, we really have to reach out to our partners and talk about behavioral health and the necessary supports.

2:21:55To make sure that the neighbors, the individuals dealing with untreated mental health are getting the care that they, that they need.

2:22:03You know, some of the other community safety features I think really can also be tied to resident services.

2:22:11As you have a robust resident services presence on a property, those are trusted relationships where you get to start seeing what households need a little bit extra help?

2:22:24Where is perhaps domestic violence happening?

2:22:27That happens through that trusted relationship of resident services and property management that is stable, consistent.

2:22:37If you have that there, you are able to catch things before they really bubble up.

2:22:43I want to make one comment because it hasn't been mentioned on the vacancy rates and something that we're seeing.

2:22:50We've talked a lot about the, the, the vacancies, you know, the economic, the physical, but the compounding, uh, impact of slower lease-up is another thing that we're seeing at, uh, some of our properties.

2:23:03And one of the drivers of that is the qualifications of renters seeking, um, apartments right now.

2:23:12The the eviction rates, the rent arrears that piled up during COVID left a crop of people just a lot less creditworthy than they were before.

2:23:26And we haven't had a conversation as a community or folks that oversee these qualification programs of how to address that.

2:23:36So thank you.

2:23:37Just wanted to offer that up.

Candace Avalos 2:23:40 - 2:23:42

2:23:40Thank you.

2:23:41Go ahead, Elsa.

Unidentified speaker 2:23:42 - 2:27:17

2:23:42Thank you.

2:23:43Similarly to Angela's comments, I believe that resident services is, is very important and is a catalyst to providing security at our properties.

2:23:55Our properties are unfortunately struggling financially, and as previously mentioned, when a property is not cash flowing, when it is struggling financially, The first thing to that that goes is the resident services.

2:24:11Resident services is absolutely crucial because they work so closely with the residents, and they are able to provide additional information that we at the high level as owners wouldn't be able to otherwise understand and, and provide support that they need.

2:24:34Similarly, um, to Angela's comment, we are also struggling with lease-up, um, and sometimes that has to do with security.

2:24:44We are, um, housing residents with higher acuity needs.

2:24:49We, um, are seeing that sometimes those residents can create issues throughout the property, uh, which then creates issues with lease-up our Aurora property, which is an amazing, beautiful property, newly built, took almost 2 years to lease up because it was just so hard to, one, vet tenants.

2:25:14It was harder to be able to get tenants housed.

2:25:19And then also we just had a significant amount of higher acuity than we expected, uh, less support, mental health support and services support in general, to be able to deal with a property that wasn't designed in that way.

2:25:38And then I think the last point that I want to make here is there is a significant and very important relationship between resident services and property management, and they really do assist with being the onsite security and providing those— the feeling— providing that feeling of security for residents in a property that does not have the ability to provide security services.

2:26:08So when a property management company has the mission in place and has the mission in mind to provide residents security and secure and stable housing that really fits in with the resident services and that just provides an overall sense of security for the residents.

2:26:28And the last point that I want to make is that properties that are struggling financially really do need an immediate demand— they have an immediate demand for funding and cannot cannot, um, provide the security enhancements that they need.

2:26:50For example, if a property does not have the ability to provide capital to repair a fence or to provide lighting systems or other systems that would help residents feel safe and secure and provide that safe and safety and security for residents, that is a big issue for and so being able to reinvest in our property to provide those security measures would, uh, is incredibly helpful, would be incredibly helpful.

2:27:17Thank you.

Candace Avalos 2:27:19 - 2:27:37

2:27:19Thank you so much to this panel.

2:27:21Uh, we've got eager councilors to ask you some questions.

2:27:24We have about 37 minutes, so about 8 minutes-ish each councilor.

2:27:29So just please, uh, be mindful of answering your questions as promptly as you can so that councilors can keep asking more.

2:27:35We'll kick it off with Councilor Koyama Lane.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:27:38 - 2:28:42

2:27:38Thank you, Chair.

2:27:39Thank you so much, everyone.

2:27:40I really appreciate the breadth and depth of the expertise that we have here.

2:27:46I just have 2 questions.

2:27:47The first one, we were starting to touch on it, is more concrete and specific, and then the second one's a little more aspirational.

2:27:53So the concrete one is about the property management resident services and thinking about some of the issues that are more chronic.

2:28:05And just what, are there things that folks have been thinking of doing and trying to, trying out in this area?

2:28:14What I hear is that there, it's hard to probably find quality property management and that's also very expensive.

2:28:23And doing it in-house is maybe a lot more challenging, is challenging.

2:28:28But then if you're not able to pay the folks, The staff have low wages and you have high turnover.

2:28:33So I'm just wondering if there are any tools or things that are being considered for dealing with some of those challenges.

Candace Avalos 2:28:45 - 2:28:47

2:28:45And then, yeah, whoever wants to answer, jump in.

Unidentified speaker 2:28:47 - 2:32:45

2:28:47Thank you.

2:28:48I appreciate the focus on solutions and how we can move forward from here.

2:28:56REACH had historically done its own property management in-house, and this year we had to make the decision to take that out of house and go with an external property management team.

2:29:10This has been a really significant transition for REACH as an organization, but it was becoming increasingly clear that just fiscally, like, it was not the— It's not the right fit.

2:29:22Councilor Avalos, as I believe you posted, you know, the math was not mathing.

2:29:26And so we needed to transition to an external firm to hasten lease-up and unit turnover when a tenant leaves, getting a new tenant into that home.

2:29:40And so that was frankly like, that's been an uncomfortable transition, but it's been necessary.

2:29:45So I think that—.

2:29:46Thank you.

2:29:47Change, change is afoot, uh, and, and we're going to see more changes across the Portland housing kind of ecosystem in, um, in that same vein.

2:29:58And REACH is also doing a pay equity study this year to ensure that our staff, from resident services to corporate staff to, um, to maintenance staff, are competitively compensated so that we can hopefully reduce turnover among our employees as well.

2:30:18And I think that, you know, the income part of it is a big thing.

2:30:23These are not, you know, we're nonprofits.

2:30:25These are not like cash cow jobs, right?

2:30:32I wanted to share, one of my member executive directors shared with me recently a study addressing the importance of the I think Erica mentioned the term funding them above— as an above-the-line investment, meaning not just assuming you're going to fund these resident services staff through the pro forma model, but we need public resources to fund these important roles.

2:30:59It was a study by the Stewards of Affordable Housing for the Future that found that service-enriched properties specifically, it found that providing resident services was associated with a 26% increase in net operating income for the average property, translating to about nearly $1,200 in additional net operating income per unit per year.

2:31:29So just trying to illustrate that.

2:31:30Thank you.

2:31:31Can I add on super quickly?

2:31:40I think it's super important to talk about what resident services actually is.

2:31:44What does that mean?

2:31:46One great example I'd love to share from REACH is our economic empowerment programs.

2:31:51We have one called Job Jumpstart that was funded by a private grant that allowed our resident services staff to work with our tenants to help To them get jobs.

2:31:59Provide sort of mini grants to residents to get them what they needed for— to continue in their job or advance in it.

2:32:06And so we covered things like certifications, license fees, upskilling training, some transportation, new wardrobes, anything that a resident needed to be more secure in their job or, or advance in their career.

2:32:22Of the residents who participated 78% improved their on-time payment of rent, which is pretty staggering.

2:32:29So I think that is one example of how the resident services can create that positive cycle.

2:32:38And there are all types of programs that nonprofits across Portland do.

2:32:42That's just one example that I think characterizes why it's so valuable.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:32:49 - 2:33:09

2:32:49How much time do I have left?

2:32:52Okay, um, for my aspirational question, I'm wondering if you had a, a magic policy wand idea that what you think would significantly improve affordable housing in our community other than more funding, what would it be?

2:33:08That's to anyone.

Unidentified speaker 2:33:10 - 2:38:39

2:33:10I, I'll chime in for Madison and I, who both whispered but more funding.

2:33:18Because I think it bears saying, just because there are a lot of policy and regulatory choices that can be made that can mitigate some of these issues.

2:33:32But I feel like there's also a longstanding— there are longstanding narratives like we can't build our way out of this.

2:33:41Or, you know, we— there's not enough money, so we have to be smarter.

2:33:47And there are lots of good answers to that question, but also money.

2:33:50So I just wanted to say that one.

2:33:56My non-financial— my magic wand would blow up all of the layers of compliance and reporting and that we've built up over 40 years and start over.

2:34:13Again, lots of really good reasons, trying to be good stewards of public money, trying to see that people who need the housing get the housing.

2:34:20And we've created such difficult jobs for our property managers and for our tenants.

2:34:27And so my magic wand would get rid of all of those and start fresh.

2:34:32And there are some, Some efforts underway to do that around margins.

2:34:38Thank you.

2:34:40Something that hasn't been mentioned, um, that affects our property and, uh, is not additional funding, although I agree additional funding is the best way to go, um, is, um, review of income restrictions.

2:34:53Some of our properties were— are extremely old.

2:34:57They were funded, uh, they're at— they're outside of the tax credit period.

2:35:00They've been— they were funded 20 years ago, and the income restrictions are so low that it does not allow us to recapitalize those properties.

2:35:11It does not allow us to be able to debt service those properties, and therefore we're not able to reinvest into those properties.

2:35:22So to the extent— and some of these properties are extremely, extremely low.

2:35:26I'm talking about most of the units are 30% AMI.

2:35:30Okay.

2:35:30So it just does not allow us to be able to provide the capital that we need to these properties.

2:35:37The other thing that has worked really well for us is debt reduction programs and the expanded Oregon Affordable Housing Tax Credit, the OTAC.

2:35:47Really, it has been very helpful specifically for the Aurora project because it allowed us to be able to not only obtain an extremely low debt rate, but also allowed us to pass on those rent savings to our residents.

2:36:03We have just one quick point.

2:36:06We have a little bit of an opposite problem in that our vacancy throughout our property is very much standard.

2:36:13It's about 6 to 7%, but our economic vacancy, folks that cannot pay the rent, is about 28%.

2:36:21So being able to pass down those rent savings or rental subsidies to our residents If I could share one, one example of what Tracy was speaking about, to redo the whole system around compliance.

2:36:36I hear from a lot of our members about waitlist regulations are really problematic, the coordinated entry system.

2:36:44So existing coordinated entry procedures as part of a lease-up process, getting folks into their units, can often extend turnovers by weeks or even months.

2:36:51Thank you.

2:36:52Even months.

2:36:53And complex tenant selection plans based on referrals can break down when community partners are having— or property managers are having staffing turnover.

2:37:02And then ambitious and laudable occupancy requirements such as asking for 2 heartbeats per bedroom can cause delays in search of the perfect family composition instead of serving the resident that might be right in front of you that needs housing now.

2:37:17And lastly, for some of our members, the North-Northeast preference policies that have been mentioned before or earlier in the hearing today complicate projects financed by low-income housing tax credits.

2:37:30LIHTC projects have a small window of time to complete the lease-up process, requiring the developer to fill units quickly after construction is finished in order to meet financial obligations.

2:37:42And some of these Councilor, I'll just wrap by saying my phone is blowing up from our asset management director asking me to talk about the mismatch between eligibility and AMI levels.

2:38:04But I am instead going to say, and this is maybe a free one, is I think we at Home Forward could do a better job of thank you.

2:38:09I think that's a really important part of hearing our tenants and of empowering our tenants.

2:38:13So much of the narrative and the ways that we have heard from our tenants has been frustrated of late.

2:38:19And I think Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and I sat down with some residents at Dawson Park and some follow-up meetings with those folks.

2:38:24I just saw the community that exists there, the power that I think exists through that community, and frankly, a lot of positive stories about the work that everyone at this table does.

2:38:35There's a power imbalance there that I would just love to focus on shifting a bit.

Tiffany Koyama Lane 2:38:42 - 2:38:45

2:38:42You can email me more of your magic wand ideas if you'd like.

Candace Avalos 2:38:47 - 2:38:48

2:38:47Thank you.

2:38:48Councilor Novick.

Steve Novick 2:38:49 - 2:39:49

2:38:49Thank you, Madam Chair.

2:38:51Um, I'm actually going to rip through these things because I have to leave early, so I've got about 7 minutes.

2:38:56So I'll ask each of you, whoever speaks first, answer, and then I follow what Councilor, um, Koyama Lane said, email me the other, other answers.

2:39:04Um, one thing I just wanted to one of the things I wanted to say is that hearing what Tracy said and others of you followed up on, it seems like having a session maybe of this committee, maybe this committee with folks from other jurisdictions who've added to the problems, having this discussion of what all the rules and regulations and compliance reporting are and talk through them and see if they can be taken apart, that sounds like, you know, a big necessary task.

2:39:30One question I had was folks have talked about higher acuity and need for more services.

2:39:36I'm wondering if anybody can sort of put that in concrete terms, like what are characteristics of tenants now that are common that were not common 10 years ago that are sort of higher acuity characteristics?

Unidentified speaker 2:39:49 - 2:43:29

2:39:49I'll go ahead and try my best to answer that.

2:39:53The high level of street drug addiction and the mental health byproducts of that.

2:40:06It's such a struggle for people.

2:40:08A lot of the people that come to our buildings are newly clean and sober.

2:40:14Some are long-term clean and sober, but none of our buildings are alcohol and drug-free housing, and it's sometimes So hard for people to stay clean and sober, um, in the environment of the building because of all the things that have already been talked about, of, um, safety concerns, um, the systems in the building even.

2:40:41Um, sometimes, like, I was in a meeting today and, um, it was brought up that there was a blind spot in the cameras on one of the stairwells, and then We're all thinking, well, how are we going to afford to get another camera to fix that blind spot?

2:40:56Because we don't want that.

2:40:59And definitely just the way that our behavioral health system has become so stretched to the limit, beyond its limit really, to where It really is a challenge to respond.

2:41:19And like the people that are in the building, the property managers, the resident services are doing the very, very best that they can.

2:41:27But like we are not mental health professionals.

2:41:30And especially with people that are really having psychotic realities, hearing things in their head, just all the different behaviors that can happen.

2:41:47And like, it's important for everybody to have housing.

2:41:49I believe housing is a basic human right, but it does— if the services aren't there, it's just really hard for the whole community.

2:42:00I'd love to pick up on that too and tack it on to something I was saying earlier, which is that when we as a community created our housing bonds We had goals related to the creation of permanent supportive housing.

2:42:17So similarly to, you know, we've got this goal of how many number of apartments we have to produce, we had this goal of how many permanent supportive housing apartments needed to be created.

2:42:28And that often meant 10 of the 60 units in a given building that were being developed were designated as permanent supportive housing.

2:42:41In some cases, buildings were designed and staffed with that— the needs of that particular population in mind, and that's what that building did.

2:42:53And I think some of where we've heard providers struggle is, you know, this well-intentioned model of we're going to get some of and buildings are not necessarily programmed and provided with the services and even sort of designed and interiors built with the needs of particular populations in mind.

2:43:19So there's, I think, both the acuity of the population and how, again, as we think about what we do in our next iteration of how we're funding housing, what are the lessons we've learned about what works well and not?

Mitch Green 2:43:30 - 2:43:30

2:43:30Thank you.

Unidentified speaker 2:43:30 - 2:43:33

2:43:30In terms of population and design of properties.

Steve Novick 2:43:33 - 2:43:46

2:43:33And I do apologize, I literally have to run in like 3 minutes and I've got other councilors, so I just, um, um, a similar question about security.

2:43:41What kind of things do you see now that you didn't see 10 years ago that increase the need for security?

Unidentified speaker 2:43:53 - 2:44:49

2:43:53Um, the, uh, um, the federal overreach coming from the ICE facility in South Waterfront does not make residents at Grays Landing, a 200-unit affordable development there 100 feet away, feel more safe.

2:44:07That's one example.

2:44:09I also think that a lot of nonprofit organizations are trying to respond to resident requests to feel more safe.

2:44:17One of those, you know, so it— I think it can be hard to put a nail on it.

2:44:21I know there's been stories and reporting about specific kind of, um, instances of criminal activity, um, that can make folks feel unsafe.

2:44:30But I think— I know for, for our organization, um, folks feel— may feel unsafe because of— for whatever personal reason they have or, or external reason, they ask, you know, the, the person in front of them that's their resident services manager or property manager, um, for help feeling safe at home, which I think everybody wants.

Steve Novick 2:44:51 - 2:45:22

2:44:51Okay, and actually I would love to get emails to the rest of you about that question, but I'll move on.

2:44:58In terms of vacancies, some people say that, well, they've got these vacancies, why can't they just keep on reducing the rent until they're filled?

2:45:07Why isn't it just that simple?

2:45:10And maybe I'd be charging different rents for different individual units to do that, but just somebody tell me, why isn't it that simple?

2:45:17If you can't rent it at X a month, you drop it to $50, and you drop it $50 the next month.

Unidentified speaker 2:45:23 - 2:46:10

2:45:23I, I can get us started.

2:45:25We have done that.

2:45:26Um, we have dropped our rents significantly in many of our buildings to, uh, increase the marketability of our units.

2:45:35At some of our, uh, properties, they are regulated at 60% AMI.

2:45:41But we're charging rents as low as 30% AMI.

2:45:44So we've dropped rents as low as $200 per month.

2:45:49I think it's the— for in our portfolio, it's the marketability of these older buildings.

2:45:55So preserving these older buildings is incredibly important, and being able to recapitalize and provide funds to be able to reinvest in these buildings is So that's my short answer.

Loretta Smith 2:46:10 - 2:46:10

2:46:10Okay.

Steve Novick 2:46:12 - 2:46:31

2:46:12Last quick question.

2:46:14This might be sort of a— I mean, you talk about people, about economic vacancies, in some cases them being large.

2:46:22Is there— and I know this is something people would want to say— but are there rules and regulations that have made it— make it too hard for you to evict people who aren't paying rent?

Unidentified speaker 2:46:44 - 2:48:00

2:46:44Everybody, I think, on this panel— I can only speak for myself— but we're housers, right?

2:46:48People who want to house people, not evict people.

2:46:51And so I know, um, from REACH's perspective, it's always a, a last resort.

2:46:56It's not something we want to pursue.

2:46:59Or like advance, right?

2:47:02However, as a nonprofit, we're not resourced to absorb someone's nonpayment of rent forever.

2:47:07And so I think it's a conversation that our community as a whole needs to have, 'cause the status quo's not gonna be sustainable.

2:47:16But again, no one gets into affordable housing 'cause they want to, you know, make evictions easier.

2:47:23Thank you.

2:47:23And I'll just add that within Homeport subsidized portfolio, of the folks who haven't paid rent, it breaks down on average to, I think, about 12 months at an average amount of about $190 a month, right?

2:47:37So when you think about that societally, is that a cost worth paying to keep that many thousands of folks housed?

2:47:44The answer is yes.

2:47:46However, you know, there are realities that thank you, Chair Avalos.

Mitch Green 2:48:01 - 2:51:44

2:48:01And I've got my eye on the time.

2:48:05Thanks for the presentation and the discussion today.

2:48:08This is a really important thing for us to sort of do as a collective body of people doing the work.

2:48:16Thank you.

2:48:16It's— there's been a lot of bad press out there around our affordable housing system, which I think misses some of the core foundational issues that we've started to touch on today.

2:48:28And as I see it, I'm identifying basically maybe 3, but 2 categories of challenges.

2:48:34And I want to make sure I've got that clearly from you.

2:48:38The first challenge is that we have shifted our focus It seems like we have shifted the broad burden of our woefully underfunded behavioral health apparatus onto the affordable housing system itself.

2:48:55Is that a fair statement?

2:48:57Mm-hmm.

2:48:59And maybe that was the best of intentions.

2:49:01Maybe it was because there was nothing else there, but that seems to be the effect.

2:49:05And if that's the case, picking up on this above-the-line, below-the-line kind of conversation, I think when I was talking to some of you about amendments for this kind of Keep Portland Housing approach based upon the debt buydowns or rent buydowns, the response I got was, well, every provider has a different balance sheet in some sense.

2:49:27And so I wonder if we had a— if we had a way to articulate what some above-the-line items are that might contribute to of these differences in balance sheets and what maybe what like some very common core capitalization problems are, it might help us develop a clear policy agenda to maybe work with OHCS, City of Portland, our county partners to then think about what is the next phase and frankly the region because I think for me I'm always working backwards from how do I figure out to get voters to say yes to the next bond or measure.

2:49:59I don't think they're there right now.

2:50:02And so I don't think they're there right now because of— they, they haven't seen that we've correctly identified, um, the diagnosis of the problem.

2:50:08And so I think, you know, what I see is both a threat and an opportunity.

2:50:12The threat is we might let our, our, our, our stock go into abeyance because we can't afford to keep it going.

2:50:19Like, it's like literally at risk of becoming— I see a lot of head noddings, like A thing that you have to dispose of off of your balance sheets or else you're, you're no longer a going concern.

2:50:30That to me is like unacceptable because where does it go?

2:50:34Well, it goes back into the market and then we've got different problems, or it just gets torn down and it doesn't get replaced.

2:50:41And so I think if we can say, look, there are capitalization or recapitalization opportunities to preserve in time, very similar to the way that we think about land banking.

2:50:51Right.

2:50:51Like preserving time, a stock of housing that is— was much lower to build at a period in history of the city of Portland.

2:50:59And then we resource it correctly with all the appropriate below-the-line investments to make it high-quality housing.

2:51:06And then as a community, um, whether it's the county or the city, or I'm not going to say IGA because, I mean, that's— we're all a little raw around that, but but as a community, thinking about how we can invest in common to fund these above-the-line behavioral health resources, these wraparound services, this sort of kind of whole-person type of approach, so that way it doesn't fall on each individual provider to try to find the income, the net operating income to support that, seems to be like a huge opportunity for us.

2:51:40And so I'm curious if any of that's resonating with this panel at all.

Unidentified speaker 2:51:46 - 2:54:22

2:51:46Yes.

2:51:48Yes.

2:51:48All right.

2:51:51I don't know if I a million percent understood the question, but would love to geek out in some future date about recapitalization of the portfolios, 'cause that's a lot of what we're doing right now is reviewing whole portfolios to try to figure out how to stabilize them.

2:52:07And so above the line, resident services, asset management, So above the line just means that it's funded out of the rents.

2:52:14Below the line means you fund it if you have any money left over.

2:52:17Okay.

2:52:18In our geeky housing world, I would not want to see behavioral health funded in housing.

2:52:24It's where people live.

2:52:26It's not where behavioral health— I mean, it's where behavioral health happens as much as it happens in your house, but it's not what the public should be funding inside housing.

2:52:34But if we're going to put permanent supportive housing or any kind of mandate in housing, we need to fund it because as you said, what we're doing right now is kind of breaking the system.

2:52:46And just one final point, I think, like I said, I've been doing this for decades.

2:52:54I used to work at Central City Concern.

2:52:56And so trying to match housing and services is kind of what I've been thinking about for a long time.

2:53:01And—.

2:53:01Thank you.

2:53:04Behavioral health and healthcare, period, follows a person.

2:53:09And we all build buildings.

2:53:13And that fundamental mismatch has not been solved.

2:53:19And I don't know that trying to solve that is working.

2:53:24It just feels like, let's focus on people's homes.

2:53:29Thank you.

2:53:30And their healthcare maybe separately, but not at— so I'll stop talking and rambling.

2:53:37Let me offer one small idea of the list of things that you mentioned.

2:53:43You think about eviction prevention.

2:53:45We often think about it as that's just paying for the rent.

2:53:50When we're talking about the behavioral health and safety issues, eviction prevention needs to go beyond how much rent is due and cover the case management to address the for-cause issues that are triggering that particular eviction.

2:54:04So really, you need to be thinking about the solutions for 2 separate sets of populations and what changes need to be made to your funding model to address the needs of a very high acuity population.

2:54:15With eviction prevention, make sure case management dollars are attached to it so we solve their eviction problem.

Mitch Green 2:54:22 - 2:55:41

2:54:22Thank you.

2:54:25I appreciate that.

2:54:26And, you know, these are not easy things to solve.

2:54:28I think my third— I guess there was a second category, which is just simply the cost of running the buildings.

2:54:34You guys have all cited the extraordinary inflation that we've experienced.

2:54:39There was also the sort of kind of ratchet effect of during the COVID period, there was just a lot of nonpayment of rent.

2:54:48And then, so then how do you turn that back on?

2:54:51It's very difficult to turn that back on.

2:54:52And so I imagine many of you took on obligations that you're still paying off from that period of time.

2:55:00That to me was a social thing that we took on.

2:55:03And so having that fall on any given provider's balance sheet feels like setting our system up for failure.

2:55:10And so, you know, I think that's why we advocated for rental assistance dollars.

2:55:14That's why we've advocated I think I'm very curious to know whether there's opportunities— Michael, we've talked about this— but common pool resources to share risk.

2:55:31And I guess you all have the same risk profile, so maybe that doesn't work here.

2:55:34But I mean, if your premiums are a function of— your insurance premiums are going to be a function of the risk that you're taking.

Loretta Smith 2:55:41 - 2:55:41

2:55:41Yeah.

Mitch Green 2:55:42 - 2:56:40

2:55:42But you can always buy that down a little bit with some help from other places.

2:55:45And so I wonder if the city might think about developing an approach to housing policy that lowers costs from the standpoint of saying we're stepping in also as an anchor tenant, so to speak, in the insurance counterparty problem.

2:55:59That could be an interesting area for us to look at to see if it has the effect of lowering costs for everyone at a bargain for us.

2:56:07I don't know.

2:56:07Thank you.

2:56:07I don't know.

2:56:08I'm just speaking.

2:56:09We're committee discussion spitballing here.

2:56:12And then finally, the regulatory piece.

2:56:14I'm very sensitive to that.

2:56:16My intuition is that part of the reason why this is so expensive is because there's just a huge long lead of regulatory challenges that are all costly.

2:56:25And who are the regulators?

2:56:27I mean, the federal government's involved.

2:56:29There's HUD.

2:56:30I imagine the City of Portland.

2:56:32I'm just curious if there's Is it a list that's smaller than 5?

2:56:36No.

2:56:37No?

2:56:38There's more than 5 regulars involved in any given?

Unidentified speaker 2:56:42 - 2:57:14

2:56:42I mean, an inspection list would probably be a tax credit investor, a lender, HUD, OHCS, and PHB.

2:56:54So that's just inspecting units.

2:56:57Okay.

2:56:59HUD Home Forward.

2:57:00I mean, I was kind of combining them, so—.

2:57:02How dare you.

2:57:04That's my bad.

2:57:06I'm sorry.

2:57:06Um, so yeah, over, over 5, right?

2:57:11It's sort of the everything bagel model of—.

Mitch Green 2:57:15 - 2:57:34

2:57:15So I think, you know, when we're trying to look at the social housing approach through this study going forward, I think one of the things we're trying to grapple with is, are we going to reproduce those same sort of and I just kind of put that out there.

2:57:30And I'm done talking because I want to leave time for my good colleague over here.

2:57:34Thanks.

Unidentified speaker 2:57:35 - 2:58:15

2:57:35I did want to acknowledge you talked about pooling, like an insurance pool.

2:57:41That does exist right now.

2:57:42And my memory is failing me what the acronym is.

2:57:45But maybe you might want to have— there is a local person here in the Portland metro area who could probably come and speak.

2:57:52A number of our member groups do participate in this kind of regional, or maybe it's just a statewide insurance pool.

2:57:59I don't— you keep looking at me.

2:58:01I have no idea.

2:58:02I thought you would save me and remember what the name of it is, but I made a note to check in.

2:58:06The last state legislature, you could, you could see what that study was that they were— that they're— the state legislature is doing a tiny little study on insurance.

Candace Avalos 2:58:15 - 2:58:17

2:58:15That's good.

2:58:16Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 2:58:18 - 3:01:52

2:58:18Thank you, Chair.

2:58:19I'd like to just toss out a few musings that I had listening to you all, and if you have thoughts on it, I'd love to sit down and follow up another time and then ask one question to be answered today.

2:58:32I think it is worth exploring.

2:58:36I heard nobody specifically came out and said folks who need support can't all get it in our units.

2:58:49But I kind of started to hear that in the conversation around behavioral health at the end, and I'd like to at some point explore that continuum from the more basic PSH needs to more significant behavioral health needs and how different populations are served in different types of housing.

2:59:08I would like to at some point explore the property management issue.

2:59:12I hear about this a lot from a few constituents in a couple of particular properties in my district, and I, I wonder if there is anything that the city can do to help support whatever work you all need to do there.

2:59:29I would like to at some point explore Um, the— we've heard a lot today about, um, folks who are not paying rent and the, the economic vacancies.

2:59:48And we heard about the lack of interest in some of those smaller-sized units.

2:59:54And it just strikes me that we have in a different piece of the work that this committee does, very small units with intended economic vacancies, right?

3:00:05Our safe rest villages, our shelters.

3:00:08And on the continuum, the difference between that and an SRO where somebody is not able to pay the rent is functionally not that different, even if we think about them as very different things.

3:00:21And I'd like to understand whether we are actually using our resources most effectively when we build shelters that are very small spaces for people to live rent-free instead of putting funds to supporting people who are living in our SROs and not able to pay the rent, and whether we are in fact being as efficient as we should be in our system.

3:00:45And I know that might touch nerves and sound third rail-y, um, Thank you.

3:00:52But I'm trying to think creatively about how we're using our resources.

3:00:57What I would like to ask for today is we heard a lot about what is not leasing well and the concentration of vacancies in certain units.

3:01:09And we know that there are funds for some NOFAs coming up within PHB, and I'd like to hear anybody's thoughts on what does lease well.

3:01:19What should we be specifically focusing on?

3:01:23Should we be focusing on specific parts of town?

3:01:26Should we be focusing on those family-size units?

3:01:29Should we be focusing on mixed-income neighborhoods?

3:01:32Should we be focusing on more residential neighborhoods or more transit access when those 2 things are sometimes the same but not always If you were putting together the profile of an ideal unit to be able to rent to get people in quickly, what should we be thinking about?

Unidentified speaker 3:01:56 - 3:04:32

3:01:56Well, I would answer very simply.

3:01:57Family-sized units with diverse rent levels, including subsidies.

3:02:02But, you know, Councilor— Vice Chair Green has talked about, you know, not just a sort of 60% of area median income cliff, but also a 30% but, but having various rent levels throughout the building, and whether or not it's subsidized, it just gives so much more access to tenants and so much more resiliency to the providers sitting here in terms of our ability to operate those for the long term.

3:02:24That has to be met on the other side with the right debt levels and the right capital stacks and all that.

3:02:30And then family-sized units are evergreen in terms of the need, right?

3:02:35Especially given how the affordable housing industry, but more importantly, the full market industry has and continues to develop in this community.

3:02:43We need to, you know, acknowledge that kids are going to grow up and families are going to grow and need a place to live.

3:02:50Thank you.

3:02:51I agree with that.

3:02:53We strive to create at least half of our units to be family-sized, 2, 3, 4-bedroom units.

3:03:02Those lease up incredibly well, and subsidies certainly help.

3:03:08The units that we struggle with, as you've heard, are the smaller studios and 1-bedrooms, particularly at the 60% AMI level.

3:03:16So when I perform a new development, I strive to have those family units.

3:03:24They're more expensive to build, as we all know, but they do lease up I just want to emphasize, uh, we need system-wide cooperation between the City of Portland, Multnomah County, metro government, and kind of mapping out what the needs are.

3:03:46So I think it's through that kind of collaborative dialogue we're going to get the best results.

3:03:52I know the Portland Housing Bureau is working with us on that as well.

3:03:54We're working on this unified housing strategy, and I encourage you as council not to give up on seeing that through.

3:04:04And any opportunities as possible to collaborate with Metro and Multnomah County on kind of coming up with a collective vision about how we answer your question, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

3:04:17Thank you.

3:04:20I would say too, like, buildings that are in vibrant neighborhoods are a lot more desirable, and buildings that have— that are beautiful.

Elana Pirtle-Guiney 3:04:35 - 3:05:01

3:04:35Beautiful.

3:04:36I know that Metro is doing some work there as well, and we certainly need to make sure we're coordinating.

3:04:40I also have had a number of conversations with, um, folks in our I'm always open to having more conversations there.

Candace Avalos 3:05:01 - 3:05:11

3:05:01Thank you so much to our panelists.

Steve Novick 3:05:11 - 3:05:11

3:05:11Thank you, Councilor Smith.

Loretta Smith 3:05:11 - 3:05:14

3:05:11Thank you, Councilor Smith, and thank you to all of our presenters for sharing your perspectives.

Candace Avalos 3:05:14 - 3:06:17

3:05:14What we heard clearly is that these are not isolated challenges.

3:05:17This is a system under real strain across multiple fronts, from operations to financing and just lots of complex tenant needs.

3:05:25We've also heard that things like vacancy rates and safety and service delivery are very connected to these broader system constraints.

3:05:34This conversation is important because it helps ground us in the reality of what's happening across our housing system.

3:05:39And that should inform how we think about our role as the city, whether that's through policy or funding, which I heard sometimes too, or coordination.

3:05:48And this will not be the end of the conversation, but it's an important step in making sure that we're aligned on the challenges and the opportunities ahead.

3:05:54So thank you for being here today.

3:05:57Committee members, our next meeting will be on Tuesday, June 2nd.

3:06:00We don't have another May meeting due to the budget process, but to Brian's point, at the June 2nd meeting, we will be talking about the Unified Housing Strategy.

3:06:08Thank you.

3:06:10The social housing study, and we're going to have a recap code package.

3:06:14So more to come.

3:06:16Thank you all.

3:06:16Meeting is adjourned.