{ "meetingId": "2026-04-01-ws-1", "title": "Portland City Council Spring TAO Work Session 04/01/26", "date": "2026-04-01T09:00:00-07:00", "duration": 114, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqW_m3R405Q", "videoId": "MqW_m3R405Q", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/auditor/council-clerk/events/2026/4/1/city-council-work-session", "agendaItems": [], "summary": "**Portland's budget office told the City Council the current year's general fund gap has grown to $21.9 million and laid out how a Spring Technical Adjustment Ordinance would close it — a work session that drew sustained objections from several councilors over forecasting, process, and cuts that were authorized but never made.**\n\nThe council took no vote. The ordinance gets its first reading Wednesday, April 8 ([00:14:28](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:14:28)).\n\n## The gap and how staff propose to close it\n\nChief Financial Officer Jonas Biery said a **$17.1 million** revenue shortfall for the current fiscal year was confirmed in the interim forecast published March 24, driven mainly by utility license fee revenue that came in lower after a milder-than-expected winter cut energy use; business license taxes came in as expected. Adding overspending and a revenue timing adjustment, Budget Director Ruth Levine put the total gap to solve at **$21.9 million** ([00:16:04](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:16:04)).\n\nThe proposed fixes include drawing $2.5 million of a $3 million unrestricted contingency, using $3.3 million in remaining compensation set-aside, $2.3 million in technology-reserve excess, $2 million from the Bancroft Bond Fund, $1.4 million in police asset-forfeiture money for event overtime, and **$4.25 million** from the Housing Investment Fund's short-term rental account ([00:19:17](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:19:17)). The roughly **$7 million** discretionary in the Portland Harbor Reserve is not being drawn. Levine said the projected **$3.6 million** overspend is driven \"exclusively\" by public safety bureaus, while other bureaus are projected to underspend by a combined $4 million.\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) established the city is not deficit-spending now; the overspend is projected only if the budget is left unchanged. Levine confirmed a placeholder 10% \"enterprise efficiency\" reduction was assumed but realized only for communications, leaving the rest as a current-year liability, and that vacancy savings kept the shortfall from reaching about **$25 million** ([00:25:07](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:25:07)).\n\n## Councilors press on cuts that were authorized but not made\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) asked why, when the council authorized reductions of 9.5% the first year and 10.5% the second, the response to falling short was a request for more appropriation rather than operational action. He said he was \"not suggesting the course of action I'm asking about\" — that is, layoffs. City Administrator Raymond C. Lee said some cuts were not made because of carryover effects into next year and would require council direction. Mayor Keith Wilson said he and Mike Jordan set the targets in a \"dynamic situation\" and that City Operations found continuing cuts \"would start to degrade service\" ([01:00:00](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@01:00:00)). Green said the situation was foreseeable: **\"That's exactly what I said in this seat in the fall, and I told you so\"** ([01:05:09](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@01:05:09)).\n\nCouncilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) named \"a third possibility, which is that the reductions we tried to take didn't work,\" told Lee **\"I don't want to have to do this again where we're making the same cuts more than once,\"** and noted the solutions are mostly one-time money-shifts rather than ongoing cuts ([01:05:19](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@01:05:19)). Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) said her office proposed reductions in the fall and \"We were told absolutely not,\" that concerns raised \"have been proven right every single time,\" and that achieving the savings now would mean laying off \"dozens of employees\" ([01:09:05](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@01:09:05)).\n\n## Loretta Smith's objections and a point of order\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said she had emailed staff to \"take my office budget out of your projection to fill the gap,\" noting the budget office has \"no control over legislative budgets.\" She called the presentation **\"irresponsible and disrespectful, and it is a relentless pursuit into always telling us that we are in a gap when we're not\"** ([00:31:00](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:31:00)), and demanded bureau-by-bureau overspending detail.\n\nSmith and Levine disagreed on the record about business license taxes: Levine attributed the shortfall principally to \"less than expected BLT revenue,\" while Smith said, **\"No, BLT was more. We got more BLT than we expected\"** ([00:49:39](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:49:39)); the dispute was not resolved. Levine said the general fund reserve holds about **$80 million**, is set at 10% of the general fund by policy, and can be tapped only through two triggers — an earthquake-type or recession-type emergency — adding \"we are on the cusp of whether that would be warranted.\" Biery said the city's bond ratings were \"just affirmed at the highest rating levels\" and the reserve underpins that.\n\nDuring Smith's remarks, Pirtle-Guiney raised a point of order: \"I'm a bit worried that we're veering into... some impugning of our staff that is not allowed under our rules.\" Smith replied, \"I didn't hear you say point of order\"; Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) said, \"She did. She did\" ([00:52:45](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:52:45)). Dunphy said he did not want to \"cross that line\" but appreciated the point.\n\nKanal questioned drawing an extra $500,000 from contingency rather than from the Harbor Reserve, saying **\"we are disinvesting in democracy through taking money out of council budgets\"** ([00:34:12](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@00:34:12)) and proposing that a Harbor draw could reduce the $4.3 million housing-fund draw and free money \"to keep people in their homes.\" Lee said whether the reserve's $7 million is used next year \"hasn't been determined yet.\" Pirtle-Guiney thanked staff for zeroing out the Harbor transfer, which she \"was really going to struggle to vote for.\"\n\n## Arts money, the Brooklyn Bridge, and a process fight\n\nThe ordinance also recognizes a **$37.7 million** previously unbudgeted beginning balance in the Housing Investment Fund, which Levine said is not allocated to any purpose. Dunphy explained two arts items: reallocating **$1.6 million** from an arts-tax reserve to backfill cut grants this year, with another $1.6 million next year, and redirecting about $300,000 in storefront-activation money because a hiring freeze blocked the planned hire.\n\nThe council learned $172,000 in council underspending is going to PBOT for District 4 projects, including **$100,000** for Brooklyn Bridge signage from Green's office and **$2,000** from Morillo's office. Smith objected that specific councilors' budgets should be named rather than lumped as \"council general fund underspending\"; Biery agreed it was fair. Smith also questioned how arts items reached the TAO outside the budget cycle, asking whether an email had invited such requests, and contrasted it with efforts to fund rent assistance.\n\nPirtle-Guiney pressed on whether the $190,000 storefront money would pay a contractor to do work a hired employee would have done under the freeze, calling that a labor and policy concern. Cherity Montez, Director of the Office of Arts and Culture, said up to **$25,000** would go to a contract artist/arts administrator and the rest to paying artists ([01:51:01](meeting:2026-04-01-ws-1@01:51:01)). Pirtle-Guiney said it was \"not what I was hoping you would say\" and that she had \"some concerns about our policy here.\"\n\nOn health costs, Levine said year-over-year benefit costs will rise about **$22.5 million** in FY26-27, with plan renewals coming in below the 15% budgeted last year under a budget note from Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1).\n\n## What's next\n\nThe Spring TAO and an accompanying inter-fund loan ordinance get their first reading Wednesday, April 8. Staff said they would circulate the full decision-package list, fund-balance descriptions, and encumbrance detail that afternoon. There is no formal amendment process for the Spring TAO; Levine directed councilors to Owen Saitz for amendments before April 8. Lee promised a fund-by-fund breakdown of accounts such as the Transportation Operating Fund — which Smith said holds about $506 million she cannot account for — through the budget process, and confirmed an independent audit is ongoing. Lee also owes Pirtle-Guiney a follow-up on the arts contract question. The council reconvenes the next morning at 9:25.", "summaryText": "Portland's budget office told the City Council the current year's general fund gap has grown to $21.9 million and laid out how a Spring Technical Adjustment Ordinance would close it — a work session that drew sustained objections from several councilors over forecasting, process, and cuts that were authorized but never made.\n\nThe council took no vote. The ordinance gets its first reading Wednesday, April 8 (00:14:28).\n\nChief Financial Officer Jonas Biery said a $17.1 million revenue shortfall for the current fiscal year was confirmed in the interim forecast published March 24, driven mainly by utility license fee revenue that came in lower after a milder-than-expected winter cut energy use; business license taxes came in as expected. Adding overspending and a revenue timing adjustment, Budget Director Ruth Levine put the total gap to solve at $21.9 million (00:16:04).\n\nThe proposed fixes include drawing $2.5 million of a $3 million unrestricted contingency, using $3.3 million in remaining compensation set-aside, $2.3 million in technology-reserve excess, $2 million from the Bancroft Bond Fund, $1.4 million in police asset-forfeiture money for event overtime, and $4.25 million from the Housing Investment Fund's short-term rental account (00:19:17). The roughly $7 million discretionary in the Portland Harbor Reserve is not being drawn. Levine said the projected $3.6 million overspend is driven \"exclusively\" by public safety bureaus, while other bureaus are projected to underspend by a combined $4 million.\n\nCouncilor Mitch Green (District 4) established the city is not deficit-spending now; the overspend is projected only if the budget is left unchanged. Levine confirmed a placeholder 10% \"enterprise efficiency\" reduction was assumed but realized only for communications, leaving the rest as a current-year liability, and that vacancy savings kept the shortfall from reaching about $25 million (00:25:07).\n\nCouncilor Sameer Kanal (District 2) asked why, when the council authorized reductions of 9.5% the first year and 10.5% the second, the response to falling short was a request for more appropriation rather than operational action. He said he was \"not suggesting the course of action I'm asking about\" — that is, layoffs. City Administrator Raymond C. Lee said some cuts were not made because of carryover effects into next year and would require council direction. Mayor Keith Wilson said he and Mike Jordan set the targets in a \"dynamic situation\" and that City Operations found continuing cuts \"would start to degrade service\" (01:00:00). Green said the situation was foreseeable: \"That's exactly what I said in this seat in the fall, and I told you so\" (01:05:09).\n\nCouncilor Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) named \"a third possibility, which is that the reductions we tried to take didn't work,\" told Lee \"I don't want to have to do this again where we're making the same cuts more than once,\" and noted the solutions are mostly one-time money-shifts rather than ongoing cuts (01:05:19). Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) said her office proposed reductions in the fall and \"We were told absolutely not,\" that concerns raised \"have been proven right every single time,\" and that achieving the savings now would mean laying off \"dozens of employees\" (01:09:05).\n\nCouncilor Loretta Smith (District 1) said she had emailed staff to \"take my office budget out of your projection to fill the gap,\" noting the budget office has \"no control over legislative budgets.\" She called the presentation \"irresponsible and disrespectful, and it is a relentless pursuit into always telling us that we are in a gap when we're not\" (00:31:00), and demanded bureau-by-bureau overspending detail.\n\nSmith and Levine disagreed on the record about business license taxes: Levine attributed the shortfall principally to \"less than expected BLT revenue,\" while Smith said, \"No, BLT was more. We got more BLT than we expected\" (00:49:39); the dispute was not resolved. Levine said the general fund reserve holds about $80 million, is set at 10% of the general fund by policy, and can be tapped only through two triggers — an earthquake-type or recession-type emergency — adding \"we are on the cusp of whether that would be warranted.\" Biery said the city's bond ratings were \"just affirmed at the highest rating levels\" and the reserve underpins that.\n\nDuring Smith's remarks, Pirtle-Guiney raised a point of order: \"I'm a bit worried that we're veering into... some impugning of our staff that is not allowed under our rules.\" Smith replied, \"I didn't hear you say point of order\"; Council President Jamie Dunphy (District 1) said, \"She did. She did\" (00:52:45). Dunphy said he did not want to \"cross that line\" but appreciated the point.\n\nKanal questioned drawing an extra $500,000 from contingency rather than from the Harbor Reserve, saying \"we are disinvesting in democracy through taking money out of council budgets\" (00:34:12) and proposing that a Harbor draw could reduce the $4.3 million housing-fund draw and free money \"to keep people in their homes.\" Lee said whether the reserve's $7 million is used next year \"hasn't been determined yet.\" Pirtle-Guiney thanked staff for zeroing out the Harbor transfer, which she \"was really going to struggle to vote for.\"\n\nThe ordinance also recognizes a $37.7 million previously unbudgeted beginning balance in the Housing Investment Fund, which Levine said is not allocated to any purpose. Dunphy explained two arts items: reallocating $1.6 million from an arts-tax reserve to backfill cut grants this year, with another $1.6 million next year, and redirecting about $300,000 in storefront-activation money because a hiring freeze blocked the planned hire.\n\nThe council learned $172,000 in council underspending is going to PBOT for District 4 projects, including $100,000 for Brooklyn Bridge signage from Green's office and $2,000 from Morillo's office. Smith objected that specific councilors' budgets should be named rather than lumped as \"council general fund underspending\"; Biery agreed it was fair. Smith also questioned how arts items reached the TAO outside the budget cycle, asking whether an email had invited such requests, and contrasted it with efforts to fund rent assistance.\n\nPirtle-Guiney pressed on whether the $190,000 storefront money would pay a contractor to do work a hired employee would have done under the freeze, calling that a labor and policy concern. Cherity Montez, Director of the Office of Arts and Culture, said up to $25,000 would go to a contract artist/arts administrator and the rest to paying artists (01:51:01). Pirtle-Guiney said it was \"not what I was hoping you would say\" and that she had \"some concerns about our policy here.\"\n\nOn health costs, Levine said year-over-year benefit costs will rise about $22.5 million in FY26-27, with plan renewals coming in below the 15% budgeted last year under a budget note from Councilor Candace Avalos (District 1).\n\nThe Spring TAO and an accompanying inter-fund loan ordinance get their first reading Wednesday, April 8. Staff said they would circulate the full decision-package list, fund-balance descriptions, and encumbrance detail that afternoon. There is no formal amendment process for the Spring TAO; Levine directed councilors to Owen Saitz for amendments before April 8. Lee promised a fund-by-fund breakdown of accounts such as the Transportation Operating Fund — which Smith said holds about $506 million she cannot account for — through the budget process, and confirmed an independent audit is ongoing. Lee also owes Pirtle-Guiney a follow-up on the arts contract question. The council reconvenes the next morning at 9:25.", "summaryLede": "Portland's budget office told the City Council the current year's general fund gap has grown to $21.9 million and laid out how a Spring Technical Adjustment Ordinance would close it — a work session that drew sustained objections from several councilors over forecasting, process, and cuts that were authorized but never made.", "sections": [ { "title": "Introduction and Financial Forecast Overview", "startTime": "00:08:23.197", "endTime": "00:14:40.409", "items": [ { "title": "Meeting Opening and Expectations for Spring TAO Conversation", "startTime": "00:08:23.197", "endTime": "00:11:15.625" }, { "title": "FY 2025-26 Financial Forecast and Revenue Snapshot", "startTime": "00:11:15.625", "endTime": "00:14:40.409" } ] }, { "title": "General Fund Expenditures and Bureau Balancing", "startTime": "00:14:40.409", "endTime": "01:12:09.175", "items": [ { "title": "Projected General Fund Expenditures and Compensation Set-Aside", 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"end": 654.655, "text": "If there's anything we're not able to answer today, we'll come back either next week or in the meantime with follow-up.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-25", "start": 654.704, "end": 656.196, "text": "And it looks like the presentation's up.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-26", "start": 656.795, "end": 660.079, "text": "If we can skip forward a couple of slides, please.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-27", "start": 660.32, "end": 661.157, "text": "Yeah, so agenda.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-28", "start": 661.866, "end": 662.445, "text": "Yep, perfect.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-29", "start": 662.51, "end": 662.88, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 663.636, "end": 673.006, "text": "So just wanted to quick, very quickly, we showed you a slide like this previously, reviewed the summary of prior actions and conversations about the current fiscal year that have 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752.209, "text": "Those are kind of the couple of big takeaways.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 752.899, "end": 753.861, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-42", "start": 754.309, "end": 764.392, "text": "And again, we'll have more conversation about this, the forecast broadly next week, but relevant to this year, to '25-'26, the fiscal year we're currently in.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-43", "start": 765.21, "end": 769.859, "text": "This slide sort of zooms in a little bit on the various slices of general fund revenue.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-44", "start": 770.437, "end": 773.772, "text": "And I'll draw your attention to kind of the 2 highlighted boxes.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-45", "start": 774.767, "end": 779.113, "text": "The kind of middle highlighted box is the current forecast.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-46", "start": 779.177, "end": 785.431, "text": "So as 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"end": 823.872, "text": "Many of the same factors that are driving these declines are occurring elsewhere.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 826.328, "end": 829.729, "text": "Certainly in the region and in some cases other places in the country.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 830.323, "end": 845.209, "text": "And while that's not exactly comforting information, I think it is important to acknowledge that many of the underlying factors driving these revenue declines are indicative of broader economic realities and not things that are necessarily specific directly to city actions.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 845.963, "end": 848.289, "text": "So that's just a quick snapshot reminder.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 848.45, "end": 854.939, "text": "We have Peter Holzman in the room, city economist Peter Holzman, but a reminder that we do have a full full work session, I anticipate.", 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that's unchanged since March.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-96", "start": 1114.345, "end": 1122.989, "text": "And then the PPB asset forfeiture being used for event overtime is also unchanged since March at $1.4 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-97", "start": 1125.184, "end": 1126.068, "text": "You can go to the next slide.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-98", "start": 1129.31, "end": 1133.103, "text": "This continues on the same as the previous slide.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-99", "start": 1134.43, "end": 1148.303, "text": "The Housing Investment Fund, there's the bucket in short-term rental that comes from transient lodging taxes, which is unrestricted except for by resolution by prior council.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-100", "start": 1148.691, "end": 1152.937, "text": "There's, oops, that should say $8.6, not $11, apologies.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-101", "start": 1154.08, "end": 1156.883, 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"speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-141", "start": 1352.705, "end": 1359.938, "text": "Okay, so help me understand this a little bit because I'm trying to kind of follow along with the bullet point narratives on the side.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-142", "start": 1360.846, "end": 1365.117, "text": "So this is projected overspend.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 1365.472, "end": 1366.005, "text": "So this is—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-144", "start": 1366.021, "end": 1366.328, "text": "That's right.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-145", "start": 1366.522, "end": 1369.299, "text": "We haven't— we're not like deficit spending right now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-146", "start": 1369.831, "end": 1370.203, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-147", "start": 1370.3, "end": 1372.671, "text": "We're saying that if we don't change our budget yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1432.502, "end": 1432.678, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-165", "start": 1432.919, "end": 1433.159, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-166", "start": 1433.239, "end": 1434.233, "text": "Thanks for clarifying that.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-167", "start": 1434.362, "end": 1448.212, "text": "And then offset by vacancy savings, does that bullet suggest that the projected overspend would be larger if not for the offsets, or is the offset contributing to the deficit?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-168", "start": 1448.452, "end": 1449.478, "text": "I don't really understand that piece.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-169", "start": 1449.654, "end": 1452.315, "text": "It's working the It's saving us money.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-170", "start": 1452.364, "end": 1453.69, "text": "It's working the way you would expect.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-171", "start": 1453.739, "end": 1469.03, "text": "So the vacancy savings is basically, yeah, if we didn't— if we hadn't done the vacancy freeze, we would presumably be spending more on personnel, and that would drive the overspending higher.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-172", "start": 1469.54, "end": 1473.559, "text": "I mostly put that bullet point on there to show, like, we've included it already.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1473.689, "end": 1475.569, "text": "It's not a separate item somewhere else.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1475.634, "end": 1475.715, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1476.098, "end": 1477.636, "text": "Okay, that's helpful.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1477.684, "end": 1484.896, "text": "And so these are deltas relative to some previous forecast or some previous budget, and that's the fall TAO, right?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1484.976, "end": 1485.104, "text": "That—.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1485.2, "end": 1487.235, "text": "For that 3rd line, yes, it is the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1487.395, "end": 1491.354, "text": "It's a little confusing because we don't typically update our revenue in the fall.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1492.107, "end": 1492.331, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1492.491, "end": 1498.356, "text": "And so the expenditures were updated in the fall per all the decisions made by council in the fall.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1498.981, "end": 1504.978, "text": "The revenue has not been changed since we adopted the budget last spring.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1505.555, "end": 1507.143, "text": "And so that's where it gets a little confusing.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1507.577, "end": 1519.944, "text": "Okay, so there were certain vacancy savings that we didn't like pre-code or pre-assume in the fall TAO that we're realizing now that then mitigates that, that negative $21.9 would be a larger number.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1520.409, "end": 1523.328, "text": "It'd be about $25 million if not for—.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1523.938, "end": 1524.692, "text": "Yes, that's right.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-187", "start": 1524.996, "end": 1529.247, "text": "All right, I had just very specific technical questions, so thanks for now.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-188", "start": 1530.08, "end": 1530.258, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-189", "start": 1530.599, "end": 1531.377, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-190", "start": 1531.637, "end": 1532.464, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-191", "start": 1532.707, "end": 1533.924, "text": "Thank you so much, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-192", "start": 1534.005, "end": 1534.946, "text": "I just have a quick question.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-193", "start": 1535.043, "end": 1540.754, "text": "I was kind of surprised to see the council underspending is only 0.5%.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-194", "start": 1540.802, "end": 1541.468, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-195", "start": 1542.1, "end": 1542.262, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-196", "start": 1542.506, "end": 1543.722, "text": "Have you heard from every office?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-197", "start": 1545.839, "end": 1547.117, "text": "I don't know.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-198", "start": 1549.899, "end": 1556.697, "text": "I wasn't in those conversations directly, so we'd have to get back to you on, you know, who they spoke with.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1556.778, "end": 1568.665, "text": "Yeah, my understanding, Councilor, is that Biz Ops, the person in Biz Ops who was works with your offices on your council budgets reached out to each individual council office and had that discussion directly with each council office.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1569.357, "end": 1569.663, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1569.905, "end": 1574.641, "text": "My chief of staff is out, so I can't verify the number, but I think our office is most of that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1574.771, "end": 1575.795, "text": "So I'm just kind of surprised.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-203", "start": 1575.844, "end": 1577.274, "text": "I thought that'd be a higher number.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-204", "start": 1579.416, "end": 1585.7, "text": "And I, you know, that's in line with— I was somebody that thought we were spending too much money in each council office when we—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-205", "start": 1585.975, "end": 1586.445, "text": "Way back when.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-206", "start": 1587.222, "end": 1589.615, "text": "So anyway, I'm just kind of surprised at that number being so low.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-207", "start": 1590.577, "end": 1590.978, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1591.86, "end": 1592.55, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1592.662, "end": 1593.432, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1594.346, "end": 1597.136, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1597.296, "end": 1599.75, "text": "Can we go forward one slide?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1601.225, "end": 1607.303, "text": "I just want to make sure that I'm looking at these new numbers correctly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1608.121, "end": 1614.679, "text": "So the original proposal on this first-line unrestricted contingency was to take $2 of the $3 million.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1615.524, "end": 1619.847, "text": "And you had a note when we first talked about this that there was a recommendation to leave $1 million.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1620.49, "end": 1623.448, "text": "There's now a recommendation to take $2.5 million of the $3 million.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 1624.253, "end": 1641.015, "text": "Is that because your assessment of what we need to keep available for the OEO if needed has decreased, or is that because we are in such hard times that you feel like we need to move past your original recommendation because there just aren't other options?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1642.51, "end": 1643.956, "text": "Yeah, good question, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1644.052, "end": 1647.072, "text": "I think it's a little bit of both, frankly.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1647.184, "end": 1667.325, "text": "I mean, I think maybe as we're getting a little clearer vision on what the risks might be for the remainder of the fiscal year, you know, increasingly more comfort that we're able to, you know, manage that with a lower amount of contingency and recognizing the options that were available to solve, that that was a trade-off worth making at that additional $500,000 amount.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1667.373, "end": 1667.485, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1669.72, "end": 1670.156, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1670.705, "end": 1679.186, "text": "And then on the next page, can you just give us a little bit more detail about the additional $3 million in the last line there?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1679.735, "end": 1681.817, "text": "Yeah, sorry, this was a little confusing.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1682.737, "end": 1692.062, "text": "It sounded like there were a lot of different things there, and I just wanna make sure that we're hearing on the record what that, those targeted reductions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1692.659, "end": 1692.966, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1693.208, "end": 1695.369, "text": "How we got the targeted reductions up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1696.314, "end": 1697.244, "text": "Pretty significantly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1697.597, "end": 1702.299, "text": "Yeah, so it's really the— sorry, if you go forward one slide.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1703.309, "end": 1708.797, "text": "So really it's $4 million of that $4.8 is the general fund returns.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1709.615, "end": 1723.959, "text": "I had previously netted the overspending with that number, so it— the overspending looked smaller in March, but really— but then now I've separated them out to try to make it a little clearer what's going on.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1724.248, "end": 1729.5, "text": "So that number has not changed very much, that $4 million figure of the, like, returns.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1730.159, "end": 1733.179, "text": "And then the $800,000 that's below it is new.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1733.869, "end": 1739.587, "text": "So the $1.8 to $4.8 is not really that we found $3 million additional in targeted reductions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1739.716, "end": 1741.45, "text": "It's that we're accounting for it differently.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1741.498, "end": 1741.932, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1741.98, "end": 1747.441, "text": "The $800,000 is the additional in targeted reductions, and we can speak more to what those are.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1747.521, "end": 1750.059, "text": "They're mostly in the public safety service area.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1750.252, "end": 1751.769, "text": "But okay, great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1752.027, "end": 1753.285, "text": "Thank you for that clarification.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-240", "start": 1753.624, "end": 1759.592, "text": "And thank you also for zeroing out the transfer from the CORF.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-241", "start": 1759.85, "end": 1765.366, "text": "That was something that I was really going to struggle to vote for, and I appreciate that you've brought us a proposal that doesn't require it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-242", "start": 1767.259, "end": 1768.211, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-243", "start": 1768.646, "end": 1769.179, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-244", "start": 1771.308, "end": 1772.922, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-245", "start": 1773.244, "end": 1775.568, "text": "Thank you for putting this together.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-246", "start": 1776.374, "end": 1805.966, "text": "I just wanted to go back um, to the question that was asked if you all had talked to council about our budgets, um, I sent, um, CBO Director Ruth Levine, uh, Benjamin Smith, Jonas Biery, and Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-247", "start": 1806.095, "end": 1822.44, "text": "I sent City Budget Office Chief Financial Officer Jonas Biery an email, and I sent it to the budget team, and I said, please take my office budget out of your projection to fill the gap to pay for '25-'26.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-248", "start": 1823.701, "end": 1826.03, "text": "We will be spending our budget.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-249", "start": 1827.242, "end": 1830.939, "text": "You should assume that we will spend all of our budget.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-250", "start": 1832.441, "end": 1842.326, "text": "And I suggested that you investigate the materials and services budget in the city administrator's budget to fill the gaps.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-251", "start": 1844.21, "end": 1856.75, "text": "And I didn't get a response, but just for the record, you all's office do not have any control over legislative budgets.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-252", "start": 1856.799, "end": 1857.009, "text": "That's correct.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1858.211, "end": 1861.594, "text": "Only the executive and the city administrator and those bureaus.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1862.274, "end": 1868.32, "text": "So you should never, ever, ever put our budgets as a part of your way to fill a gap.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1869.076, "end": 1884.152, "text": "Secondly, you need to go line by line and tell me which bureaus are overspending, and you need to go send them a note via the city administrator and say to them, you are out of money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1884.201, "end": 1884.379, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-257", "start": 1884.544, "end": 1885.042, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-258", "start": 1885.218, "end": 1886.455, "text": "You cannot spend anymore.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-259", "start": 1887.949, "end": 1900.542, "text": "To bring this forward to us in this kind of manner is irresponsible and disrespectful, and it is a relentless pursuit into always telling us that we are in a gap when we're not.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-260", "start": 1901.698, "end": 1910.211, "text": "There's lots of money that was rolled over from last year that we were not even told what the exact budget numbers were.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-261", "start": 1910.484, "end": 1911.414, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1911.574, "end": 1918.533, "text": "And I suggest that you go back and do that instead of always giving us a blanket, oh, we're in trouble, we're in trouble.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1918.614, "end": 1919.752, "text": "You did that at the last TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1920.394, "end": 1927.016, "text": "And yes, I am so irritated, irritated with this TAO, irritated that we were not given the final number.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1927.689, "end": 1937.615, "text": "You play games with the numbers because you think you can make it back up by the time we get new numbers and tell us we didn't take enough property taxes or we didn't take enough BLT, which is not true.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1938.45, "end": 1939.688, "text": "And I'm getting sick and tired of it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1940.668, "end": 1943.367, "text": "Go tell those bureaus to stop spending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1943.978, "end": 1951.835, "text": "Don't come back to me and give me a towel and say I got to pay $32 million, $21 million, and don't desegregate where, where the overspending is coming from.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1952.333, "end": 1955.353, "text": "Because it's irritating to us to look at this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1956.735, "end": 1963.708, "text": "And make sure that you keep our budgets out of your balancing act, because this is not fair and it's not right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1963.773, "end": 1963.885, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-272", "start": 1966.366, "end": 1967.787, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-273", "start": 1967.965, "end": 1968.514, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-274", "start": 1971.291, "end": 1972.341, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-275", "start": 1972.405, "end": 1974.939, "text": "Thanks for the, uh, the presentation, the information here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-276", "start": 1975.228, "end": 1990.579, "text": "I, um, I want to start by following up on a question that, uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney asked in the preceding slide about the $2.5 million out of general fund contingency when previously, uh, the idea was to leave a million in there.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-277", "start": 1990.725, "end": 1996.441, "text": "And my question effectively is CFO Biery, you mentioned trade-offs, and I understand that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-278", "start": 1996.988, "end": 2003.294, "text": "Why is it less risky to take an additional half million beyond what was originally the, the max you wanted to take?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-279", "start": 2003.619, "end": 2009.055, "text": "Why is that less risky than taking even a single dollar out of the Harbor Fund, the CORF?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-280", "start": 2010.814, "end": 2014.479, "text": "Um, Councilor, I think, think it's a different level of risk.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-281", "start": 2014.56, "end": 2017.062, "text": "It's the same level of risk that would drive that decision.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-282", "start": 2017.191, "end": 2025.878, "text": "The, the delta is that— or the difference in those 2 buckets is that the CORF Ultimately, we'd have to find a way to refill that at some point down the road.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-283", "start": 2026.184, "end": 2030.534, "text": "General fund contingency, we do too, but it's already embedded in the forecast.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-284", "start": 2031.26, "end": 2047.045, "text": "So the difference is just that the general fund contingency is sort of naturally flowing through the forecast, whereas the CORF is a separate bucket that we would have to come back and have a separate conversation about how do we put that $500,000 back in to make that fund whole.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-285", "start": 2051.51, "end": 2051.703, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-286", "start": 2052.01, "end": 2062.439, "text": "I am disappointed to not see anything coming out of that fund, especially given that we are disinvesting in democracy through taking money out of council budgets in this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-287", "start": 2063.002, "end": 2064.596, "text": "Democracy requires investment.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-288", "start": 2064.677, "end": 2072.126, "text": "And I understand that there's optional returns here, but I— and but there's also the operations piece.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-289", "start": 2072.191, "end": 2074.532, "text": "So I'd prefer to see that money instead of taking money out of council budgets.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-290", "start": 2074.581, "end": 2081.357, "text": "Councilor be kept in the council and council operations budget and instead taken from the Harbor Fund personally?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-291", "start": 2081.791, "end": 2088.719, "text": "But my broader question is, if we don't, is the expectation that that's going to get zeroed out in the, in next year's budget?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-292", "start": 2089.491, "end": 2097.28, "text": "Will this $7 million be used for other gaps in next year's, next fiscal year's budget?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-293", "start": 2099.416, "end": 2100.961, "text": "That hasn't been determined yet.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-294", "start": 2101.172, "end": 2104.684, "text": "We're still going through that analysis now of what the mayor's proposed budget will be.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-295", "start": 2106.384, "end": 2112.642, "text": "Okay, so there's no assumption built in as of right now that that money is going to be used for something else?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-296", "start": 2113.268, "end": 2123.089, "text": "As of right now, the penciling in is that it'll remain $7 million, or I mean, it's actually more in there, but, but the— that this $7 million will remain as of this moment?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-297", "start": 2123.313, "end": 2126.587, "text": "It's hard for me to answer that right now because we still have a gap.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-298", "start": 2126.94, "end": 2135.515, "text": "So as we were looking at trade-offs of what the budget would be moving forward from the mayor, it could be but we haven't finalized that yet.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-299", "start": 2136.897, "end": 2142.632, "text": "Okay, I guess maybe instead of framing this as a question that I don't want to make it difficult for you all to answer.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-300", "start": 2142.681, "end": 2144.935, "text": "By the way, I'm very appreciative that you are here, Mayor, as well.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-301", "start": 2146.529, "end": 2159.06, "text": "I think that it's— I'm a little concerned that we might be protecting this money for a different usage that is also non-harbor related by not taking it out here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-302", "start": 2160.107, "end": 2176.106, "text": "And instead taking money out of things that might be harder to take money out of in the full budget, including not only council offices, but I think some of the money in the contingency funds, some of that sort of conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-303", "start": 2177.035, "end": 2203.284, "text": "So just wanting to flag that, but in particular the housing dollars, because if we were able to take money from the $7 million in the Harbor Fund today, we might be able to not take $4.3 million out of the currently unbudgeted housing money and use that, or at least a lesser amount of it, and use the delta there to pay to keep people in their homes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-304", "start": 2204.37, "end": 2204.986, "text": "Does that make sense?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-305", "start": 2205.1, "end": 2208.456, "text": "There's a supplantation thing for all dollars in some sense.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 2208.504, "end": 2209.85, "text": "So I understand that there's—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 2209.947, "end": 2210.142, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 2212.149, "end": 2238.413, "text": "Technically speaking, this is kind of everywhere, but, but in the context of this, hypothetically, if instead of being $4.3 million in the Housing Investment Fund short-term rental, the 060, the first line of the next slide here, if that was still $4 million and instead of being zero out of the Harbor Fund, it was $0.3 million, and that would, when we get to the housing dollars conversation, mean that there's $300,000 remaining there to do debt buydowns or whatever else may be in that conversation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 2238.462, "end": 2239.919, "text": "So that's kind of my concern here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 2239.974, "end": 2240.027, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 2240.381, "end": 2243.661, "text": "Especially if the $7 million is just gonna get zeroed out anyway in the full budget.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 2243.709, "end": 2249.385, "text": "So it's a little hard because no matter what, one of these decisions has to happen first and there are 3 of them, right?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 2249.449, "end": 2252.738, "text": "Or 2.5 depending on how the housing conversation gets combined.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 2252.834, "end": 2259.687, "text": "But I just wanted to daylight that concern to kind of get us started here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 2260.155, "end": 2267.002, "text": "Can I ask a clarification around the $3.6 and $3.3 for the—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 2267.035, "end": 2267.522, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 2269.373, "end": 2276.048, "text": "The overspending without compensation set aside is the $3.6 million, and then the $3.3 million is the remaining compensation set aside available to draw.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 2276.9, "end": 2279.544, "text": "You said those are not— are those the comparable numbers?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 2282.059, "end": 2285.482, "text": "Like, so we left $3.3 million in it after the fall TAO?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 2286.093, "end": 2286.318, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 2286.72, "end": 2291.951, "text": "What is the need as of this moment for compensation set aside?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2292.354, "end": 2295.079, "text": "And I imagine most, if not all, of that is fire and police.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2295.196, "end": 2296.013, "text": "Lease overtime, right?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2296.574, "end": 2300.195, "text": "Yeah, I mean, you can think about it as $3.6 million being the need.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2300.916, "end": 2305.74, "text": "Okay, so, and that, that is less than I, uh, think that we had projected.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2305.788, "end": 2310.932, "text": "Is that because we already paid for some of it somewhere else, or is it because less overtime was actually used?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2311.941, "end": 2315.675, "text": "Um, we didn't already pay for it, I don't think.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2315.723, "end": 2316.268, "text": "I'm not sure.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2316.428, "end": 2320.659, "text": "I'm not 100% sure I understand that question, but, um, I think it's a combination.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2320.851, "end": 2329.636, "text": "So but as we said in the fall, we don't anticipate needing 100% of compensation set aside in any normal year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2330.15, "end": 2330.327, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2331.034, "end": 2333.283, "text": "So some of it is we just didn't need as much.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2333.716, "end": 2343.723, "text": "Some of it is the vacancy savings are baked in there, and some of it probably is that fire and police overtime are down from what they probably projected.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2344.221, "end": 2346.759, "text": "So I think it's a little bit of all of those things.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2347.176, "end": 2359.531, "text": "Okay, so the, the— I would say that the use of vacancy savings and maybe the additional amount of vacancy savings, uh, caused by the hiring freeze or any other policies is what I meant by, uh, paying for it some other way.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2359.692, "end": 2359.916, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2360.317, "end": 2372.68, "text": "Um, and then to the degree that it is a reduction in overtime, uh, commendations to everybody involved in, in doing that, because I know that's been a policy goal for, for many years, uh, to do it, and including by, uh, filling vacancies at both bureaus.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2372.746, "end": 2375.72, "text": "So, uh, commending those, those 2 chiefs as well.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2376.488, "end": 2384.035, "text": "Um, the other question I had can— yeah, I think it can wait.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2384.099, "end": 2385.082, "text": "So yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2385.856, "end": 2386.548, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2386.758, "end": 2387.53, "text": "Councilor Smith again.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2388.11, "end": 2389.22, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2389.897, "end": 2393.256, "text": "So I have a question, couple questions.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2396.142, "end": 2405.556, "text": "There are some expected rollover money that each bureau has given to the mayor's office, correct?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2406.824, "end": 2411.834, "text": "Like what they expect that they'll have left at the end of '25-'26?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2413.087, "end": 2414.981, "text": "That's all reflected here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2415.206, "end": 2420.087, "text": "So it's the $4 million of the general fund returns on the next slide.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2420.344, "end": 2423.909, "text": "So all we're expected to have left is $4 million?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2427.59, "end": 2428.788, "text": "Yeah, roughly speaking.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2428.967, "end": 2436.318, "text": "Out of all the, the 4 of the general fund money budgets, that's all we're expected to have left is $4 million?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2436.807, "end": 2450.088, "text": "So the way, so the way to think about this is the total overspending in the general fund is projected to be $3.6 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2450.969, "end": 2456.035, "text": "That is mostly driven by, in fact, exclusively driven by public safety bureaus.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2456.551, "end": 2456.696, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2457.116, "end": 2462.801, "text": "The other bureaus were told, come up with projections.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2463.22, "end": 2470.334, "text": "How much do you think you'll either overspend or underspend by the end of this fiscal year compared to your revised budget?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2470.641, "end": 2476.849, "text": "Everybody else who wasn't overspending was projected to underspend by a total of $4 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2478.279, "end": 2491.734, "text": "That's based off of their personnel projections, where their contracts are and the like, and any external revenues that come into the general fund, like fee revenues and things like that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2492.184, "end": 2492.954, "text": "That's $4 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2493.083, "end": 2502.813, "text": "So they just gave you a verbal and said, we're not— some of these, because we're talking about parks, we're talking about water, we're talking about fire, we're talking about police.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2503.423, "end": 2514.114, "text": "And so out of all of those folks who get hundreds of millions of dollars, they're saying that they are not going to have anything left, and they've told you that, and you believe them?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2514.483, "end": 2516.441, "text": "Well, we collected a spreadsheet.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2516.505, "end": 2525.591, "text": "We have the full projections, and we shared a version of that spreadsheet as of, I think it was like the week after our last work session, so March 12th or so.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2525.816, "end": 2528.641, "text": "We shared that out, and you should all have received that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2528.705, "end": 2530.599, "text": "That has the full detailed projections.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2531.112, "end": 2534.222, "text": "At the major object level for every general fund bureau.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2535.28, "end": 2537.188, "text": "Water doesn't receive any general fund, just to be clear.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2538.15, "end": 2549.275, "text": "And so all of them made those projections and we did some vetting to try to make sure they made some sense and try to understand what was in them.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2549.388, "end": 2556.505, "text": "So there was quite a bit of work that went into doing that exercise citywide to try to come up with the number that we expected.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2558.031, "end": 2561.901, "text": "And so generally we have a general fund reserve, right?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2562.543, "end": 2562.865, "text": "We do.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2563.587, "end": 2576.113, "text": "So it would seem to me if we're overspending that the city administrator or the mayor would say then we need to get it out of the general fund reserve or we need to stop folks from spending money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2576.691, "end": 2587.064, "text": "If the money is coming from operations, that's one thing, but if the money— the overspending is coming from bureaus wouldn't it be wise to ask these bureaus to stop spending?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2589.03, "end": 2589.992, "text": "I'm asking you a question.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2591.886, "end": 2595.373, "text": "So, Councilor, it's a good question.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2595.422, "end": 2602.768, "text": "I know we've had this discussion in various forms in this room before, dating back to, I think, around November or December.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2602.849, "end": 2608.255, "text": "There was direction given by the city administrator to do exactly that, to reduce spending.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2609.47, "end": 2612.552, "text": "We've talked a lot about the vacancy.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2612.827, "end": 2613.704, "text": "The hiring freeze was one tool.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2616.186, "end": 2618.383, "text": "That was identified to drive that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2619.49, "end": 2627.155, "text": "We did ask bureaus and service areas to look at all contracts and whether work could be paused or not, all other material and service spending.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2627.844, "end": 2640.192, "text": "So that work has occurred over the last 6-plus months or 5-plus months and is reflected in the underspending, overspending number reflected here.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2640.256, "end": 2646.9, "text": "So these numbers are minus the construction constraints that the mayor has put on all the bureaus to date.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2647.703, "end": 2652.15, "text": "This is after they have taken the constraint off that the mayor required them to take off.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2652.439, "end": 2655.955, "text": "That's what it appears to be, an overspending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2657.175, "end": 2662.297, "text": "Um, I, I think— let me say it another way and you tell me if this is what you— if this is what you mean.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2662.875, "end": 2670.764, "text": "Um, that the, the net overspending/underspending number reflects the outcomes of those constraints that the mayor put on it?", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2670.942, "end": 2671.298, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2671.687, "end": 2691.095, "text": "Well, then he needs to take the constraints off, and you, you guys need to pay for the bills that you need to pay for, because it is disingenuous to come here and say that we're overspending if that overspending is happening as a result of the mayor asking to take a 2%, a 5%, or a 10% constraint.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2691.579, "end": 2697.189, "text": "It means that he can't take the constraint right now, and then you come back to us and say that we're overspending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2697.828, "end": 2706.933, "text": "So we— just to be clear, there was no direction to take money out of bureaus' budgets to fund any of the mayor's priorities this year?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2707.109, "end": 2708.648, "text": "I'm not talking about the mayor's priorities.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2708.712, "end": 2724.661, "text": "The mayor can put a constraint on a budget and then say he puts a 10% constraint on a budget, and then you say to a bureau, okay, with the 10% constraint taken that was asked, how much will you have left over after that 10% constraint is taken?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2725.528, "end": 2731.308, "text": "And then you look at the way that they're spending and you'll say, oh, we're overspending, we don't have enough.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2731.469, "end": 2735.547, "text": "Well, I'm saying take the constraint off and maybe you can pay the bills.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2736.045, "end": 2739.754, "text": "There's no additional constraint on their budget.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2740.3, "end": 2744.459, "text": "The only constraints that were put were operationally to reduce spending.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 2744.555, "end": 2775.067, "text": "So there was no— the revised budget, like, I guess another way to put it is If council does nothing, if they change no budgets, right, and we continue to staff all of the fire stations and have police on the streets and keep our parks open for the rest of the fiscal year, at some point before the end of the fiscal year, say in June sometime, there will not be enough money to do that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 2775.388, "end": 2778.176, "text": "So I guess that's what I'm trying to understand.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 2778.37, "end": 2779.76, "text": "Help me understand this, Ruth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 2780.617, "end": 2789.199, "text": "Help me understand how is it that we so woefully underestimated how much money was going to be coming into our budgets?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 2789.8, "end": 2806.282, "text": "We kind of fixed this in December in the fall TAO, and now we have another unexpected property tax or BLT that came through.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 2807.058, "end": 2810.015, "text": "I, I don't understand how you guys forecast it so wrong.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2811.923, "end": 2812.951, "text": "Tell me how you did that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2813.112, "end": 2814.172, "text": "I don't know how.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2814.333, "end": 2819.827, "text": "I mean, we know exactly how much money is coming in, and we should of course corrected this in the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2820.438, "end": 2825.017, "text": "So now we're coming back to the spring TAO and saying that, okay, we're still under budget.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2825.421, "end": 2844.867, "text": "Is it because we under— we, we underestimated how much revenue was going to come in, or is it because the budgets of the bureaus that they put forward, they're overspending those budgets, or did we underestimate the revenue that we were expecting to come through the door?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2845.172, "end": 2847.066, "text": "Yeah, Councilor, it's the latter.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2847.195, "end": 2867.813, "text": "And I know, I'm not sure who all is in the room, but we did, if you'll recall, have conversation in January and February identifying that there was that that unexpected revenue delta that occurred subsequent to the fall tow and that we wanted to highlight that we were gonna have to take some actions to address that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2868.615, "end": 2883.288, "text": "That also led into the work session we had a month ago talking about what those solutions might be so we could come back with this bucket of solutions today for additional council consideration in advance of the vote.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2883.881, "end": 2884.507, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2885.218, "end": 2886.3, "text": "On next week.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2886.348, "end": 2893.643, "text": "So I just, we have identified that as soon as we became aware of that revenue shortfall and had dialogue with Council about that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2893.708, "end": 2902.515, "text": "I remember Peter telling us that we had an extra $15 million that we didn't know that we were gonna have from the BLT that was gonna be used.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2902.563, "end": 2904.352, "text": "And I said, why can't we use that for the fall TAO?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2905.145, "end": 2907.509, "text": "And that was supposed to be turned over for the spring TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2908.141, "end": 2912.453, "text": "So I'm not understanding all this mix-up in, in forecasting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2912.568, "end": 2915.007, "text": "I mean, who is responsible for this?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2917.03, "end": 2921.469, "text": "I, I thought we only dealt with real numbers once the, once the fall tally is, is in.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2921.97, "end": 2930.006, "text": "We can only deal with real numbers of what is expected to come in for '25-'26, but yet we're still forecasting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2930.102, "end": 2933.171, "text": "Why are we still forecasting in December?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2933.637, "end": 2937.537, "text": "Well, we're, we're always forecasting the revenue for that fiscal year, right?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2937.602, "end": 2942.058, "text": "Because we won't know what the revenue was for '25-'26 until after '25-'26 yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2943.389, "end": 2949.868, "text": "In a normal fiscal year, our revenues for that fiscal year do fluctuate from the forecast.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2949.98, "end": 2956.973, "text": "That's normal because we have to make a forecast based on the best knowledge at the time of the forecast, and they, they usually fluctuate.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2957.021, "end": 2965.023, "text": "We typically come in 1 to 2% off, and we try to forecast conservatively so that that 1 to 2% has us to the good.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2966.002, "end": 2979.118, "text": "This was just an unusual year, and are— and it is principally driven by the, um, less than expected BLT revenue, which is a very volatile revenue source.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2979.343, "end": 2981.334, "text": "No, BLT was more.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2981.43, "end": 2983.694, "text": "We got more BLT than we expected.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2984.079, "end": 2984.802, "text": "That is not true.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2985.83, "end": 2989.555, "text": "Um, so the question that I'm asking you right now, go take the money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2989.619, "end": 2991.979, "text": "How much money do we have in our general fund reserve?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2993.2, "end": 2994.187, "text": "About $80 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2994.533, "end": 2995.866, "text": "Okay, you got it.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2997.58, "end": 2999.498, "text": "Council would have to appropriate that as a council fund.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2999.597, "end": 3000.821, "text": "Didn't put that up there as an option.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 3002.7, "end": 3004.393, "text": "So why don't you put that up there as an option?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 3004.589, "end": 3005.875, "text": "Because that's what's supposed to happen.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 3007.817, "end": 3009.992, "text": "My question would be to, uh, the budget team.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 3010.35, "end": 3013.402, "text": "What are we required by charter to keep in our reserve?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 3013.467, "end": 3014.49, "text": "Because there is a certain percentage.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 3015.138, "end": 3017.082, "text": "You just can't empty out reserves.", "speaker": "Raymond C. 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{ "id": "cue-451", "start": 3041.396, "end": 3044.266, "text": "The other is for a recession-type emergency.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 3044.539, "end": 3046.559, "text": "And there's detailed language in the policy.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 3046.623, "end": 3049.077, "text": "I think we circulated that policy back in March.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 3050.653, "end": 3051.397, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 3051.511, "end": 3060.206, "text": "And I think we are on the cusp of whether that would be warranted based on our economic conditions.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 3060.693, "end": 3061.212, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 3061.407, "end": 3064.199, "text": "There's some quirks of how the policy is written.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 3065.716, "end": 3073.598, "text": "So that is a choice for City Council, for you all to make, if you would— if you want to draw a portion of this from the reserve.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 3075.922, "end": 3076.451, "text": "That's an option.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 3076.547, "end": 3078.005, "text": "Yeah, I would just add to that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 3078.23, "end": 3080.746, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Ruth and Councilor, for the conversation.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 3080.81, "end": 3089.192, "text": "I would just add to that that, you know, the City Administrator just noted at Council this morning that our ratings were just affirmed at the highest rating levels.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 3089.304, "end": 3094.192, "text": "That existence of that reserve is a critical piece of that assessment.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 3094.673, "end": 3103.183, "text": "And so just acknowledge if that's a path that Council chooses to take, fully at your discretion, just recognize there are other risks and trade-offs that come with that kind of a decision.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 3103.231, "end": 3110.148, "text": "Well, the trade-off is that we have to deal with staff that are not giving us a proper forecast.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 3111.05, "end": 3118.509, "text": "And this has been going on for 3— 3 times we've done a TAO in a budget, and the forecast has been wrong.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 3119.91, "end": 3121.086, "text": "It has been woefully wrong.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 3122.165, "end": 3131.523, "text": "And so for me, if you want to continue to have this facade that we're doing so well, well, I would say no, because we keep forecasting wrong.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 3131.571, "end": 3131.879, "text": "Councilor Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 3132.798, "end": 3133.231, "text": "Point of order.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 3133.279, "end": 3135.188, "text": "And we keep having to come back to this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 3135.3, "end": 3135.99, "text": "I don't believe—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 3136.584, "end": 3137.434, "text": "Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 3137.482, "end": 3137.995, "text": "I'm talking to Ruth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 3138.412, "end": 3150.99, "text": "Council President, I don't believe these are the staff who do the forecast, and I'm a bit worried that we're veering into, um, some, some impugning of our staff that is not 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that we make sure we don't get I don't want to cross that line, but I do appreciate the point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 3187.392, "end": 3191.791, "text": "I hear what you're saying, but it seems like I'm the only one that is really upset about this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 3194.529, "end": 3210.292, "text": "And to ask the question about the general fund and to try to persuade me not to do the general fund, but yet continue to take your bad advice on a forecast, that is just unconscionable to me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3212.289, "end": 3213.082, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3214.572, "end": 3216.079, "text": "Councilor, uh, Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3216.613, "end": 3217.699, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-495", 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3396.746, "end": 3406.287, "text": "And some of these questions came up earlier when we came forward with the first TAO— not first TAO, when we first had this conversation back in March.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3407.57, "end": 3410.328, "text": "That would cause some of the cuts that we're talking about now.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3410.857, "end": 3412.252, "text": "And some of the councilors brought it up now.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3412.461, "end": 3418.009, "text": "Do we start making some of the significant cuts now to the budget that we'll be making next year?", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-531", "start": 3419.019, "end": 3429.739, "text": "And some of those cuts, we were just not at a point yet to start making some of those cuts to our budget as it relates to some of the impacts it will have in the upcoming year.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-532", "start": 3430.41, "end": 3441.69, "text": "So as we look through some of these potential cuts now, all this still has carryover to next year as well and the impacts that will be in the proposed budget moving forward.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-533", "start": 3442.144, "end": 3447.548, "text": "So it's things that we're constantly looking at and there's always things that we could say we could cut services now.", "speaker": "Raymond C. 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Lee" }, { "id": "cue-535", "start": 3458.114, "end": 3462.605, "text": "So I understand that in the context of things that we anticipate needing to cut for next year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-536", "start": 3463.487, "end": 3481.702, "text": "Anything— what I'm asking about is the things that are in this fiscal year because the council voted on a budget that was inclusive of a 10% reduction for enterprise efficiency I should note, with the explanation on that, that there would not be a drop in service to achieve those cuts.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3482.408, "end": 3489.381, "text": "And although I am one of the people that was very skeptical about this, I was against this particular piece of it, I'll note, but council did pass it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3489.862, "end": 3499.545, "text": "And so my question remains, from a process perspective, why is it not the case— why are we not trying to achieve that council direction on the administrative side?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3499.593, "end": 3499.817, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3500.849, "end": 3506.918, "text": "As opposed to coming here and saying we're just going to keep doing what it is and assuming that we're going to find money somewhere.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3508.009, "end": 3514.32, "text": "Um, and again, I understand that at this stage of the year that would involve layoffs, and I get why it's not happening right now.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3514.368, "end": 3518.859, "text": "And again, not advocating for it, but when we brought this up in the fall town hall, it might not have.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3520.083, "end": 3526.796, "text": "Um, because this did come up as a sort of secondary conversation and during the fall town hall, and there was— now there's only 3 months left in the year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3526.861, "end": 3528.341, "text": "Then there were many more months in the year.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3528.393, "end": 3528.463, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3528.852, "end": 3529.765, "text": "We could have gotten our way.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3530.678, "end": 3535.549, "text": "There were— there are positions that have been, I assume, filled in this time subsequently.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3535.597, "end": 3542.886, "text": "There are other decisions that could have been made that would not be like, let's lay off 20 people altogether today, that could have been made earlier.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3543.175, "end": 3558.507, "text": "And I'm unclear as to why, because it feels like it is not technically by the letter of anything a violation of the council-authorized budget, but it is a path that we are on that will absolutely get there in 3 months.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3558.571, "end": 3558.859, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3559.613, "end": 3563.925, "text": "If we don't find a new source of money or another place to cut.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3564.502, "end": 3566.955, "text": "And we already decided where the cut was going to happen.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3567.003, "end": 3569.263, "text": "It was going to happen by achieving the 10% reduction.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3569.696, "end": 3573.399, "text": "So I'm trying to understand the process and I'm still not getting that answer.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3574.841, "end": 3575.707, "text": "Council President, may I?", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3576.829, "end": 3585.405, "text": "Just from a historical standpoint, Mike Jordan and I put together that target, the enterprise efficiency target of 10% in FY26.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3586.047, "end": 3588.935, "text": "With 20% into FY27.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3589.416, "end": 3594.293, "text": "Those are targets because, and I'm gonna use this word a couple times, because we're in a dynamic situation.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3594.807, "end": 3596.459, "text": "We really needed that efficiencies.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3596.812, "end": 3600.101, "text": "How we reorganized the city was designed to deliver on it.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3600.486, "end": 3600.598, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3600.887, "end": 3611.219, "text": "As we start to see the spending, Jonas and Ruth and CA, for only being a few months, started looking at underspends, hiring freezes, overtime reduction.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3611.797, "end": 3612.872, "text": "Looking at contracts.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3613.337, "end": 3618.231, "text": "And so those are all the things that we were really looking at hard in January, and we employed those tactics.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3618.856, "end": 3627.649, "text": "But in the same regards, working with Tracy Warren at City Operations, she started talking about the effectiveness of our cuts, and if we continue down the path, we would start to degrade service.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3628.275, "end": 3632.366, "text": "So that's why we really looked at those challenging changes and cuts.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3632.511, "end": 3635.319, "text": "But I also want to go back to Councilor Smith, what you were talking about.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3636.121, "end": 3638.367, "text": "Budgets are dynamic, but they're budgets.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3638.511, "end": 3644.816, "text": "The only time we true up the fiscal year is in the fall TAO, which looks back at the previous year.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3645.265, "end": 3646.805, "text": "We're just truing up the budgets.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3647.575, "end": 3656.254, "text": "Anytime Peter— and Peter, you do a great job, and I just want to highlight that right now— he's only bringing a barometer at that moment.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3656.719, "end": 3658.067, "text": "It is a prognostication.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3658.564, "end": 3664.724, "text": "It is not a diagnosis of the exact dollars that we have at that time to spend, and we only have those numbers.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3665.398, "end": 3676.438, "text": "We are, by all rights, Running a dynamic, a dynamic, and then we have revenue challenges as a city, and those revenues have not been going up, which is the tradition.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3677.818, "end": 3678.524, "text": "They're going down.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3678.942, "end": 3680.354, "text": "Commissioner Ryan can attest to that.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3680.626, "end": 3685.457, "text": "There is few circumstances where he sat on this commission where he had to do cut exercises.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3685.842, "end": 3689.822, "text": "They're usually called the fall bump because it was going up, not down.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3690.512, "end": 3698.114, "text": "We're in a unique situation right now, and I want us to all just focus on the process— Ruth and Jonas and Peter are doing their level best.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3698.194, "end": 3706.835, "text": "I promise they're putting the work in to provide the best information they can at the moment they have to try and allow you to make the best decision you can at the moment that you have.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3708.133, "end": 3711.131, "text": "So I appreciate that information.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3711.34, "end": 3718.506, "text": "And to be clear, I don't think anything that I'm personally discussing has anything to do with any of the 3 people you just mentioned.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3718.554, "end": 3719.419, "text": "I have no concern here.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3720.336, "end": 3723.501, "text": "Or about any of the information, including Peter, by the way.", "speaker": "Dan 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way to do it besides laying off a bunch of people.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3837.282, "end": 3842.758, "text": "So I'm not— again, I want to be super clear to the CPBW folks in particular listening, I'm not advocating for that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3843.149, "end": 3847.271, "text": "What I am saying is, is that I, I would like to not have to vote on things twice.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3848.363, "end": 3857.055, "text": "Um, Because if it happens, and then we're basically having to recommit to something or adjust course without any ability to affect it in the meantime.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3857.167, "end": 3858.691, "text": "So thanks, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3858.772, "end": 3859.542, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3860.2, "end": 3863.602, "text": "Um, Ruth, I just want to check, do you still have more slides to go through?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3863.731, "end": 3867.277, "text": "We have— I think 4 more in the queue right now, folks, and there we still have more to go through.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3867.358, "end": 3869.299, "text": "So I just want to make sure we keep that in mind.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3869.347, "end": 3869.781, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3870.326, "end": 3873.039, "text": "Uh, thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3873.119, "end": 3875.911, "text": "You got onto a line of questioning that that's a good question.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3876.184, "end": 3892.931, "text": "That now I'm very 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"cue-638", "start": 4026.133, "end": 4027.919, "text": "We did get that outside of the budget process.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 4029.502, "end": 4033.388, "text": "Um, and we're now looking at some one-time program cuts.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 4034.307, "end": 4034.583, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 4036.027, "end": 4041.253, "text": "But I asked about this the last time we had an update, and I need to reiterate it right now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 4043.1, "end": 4048.531, "text": "What we're looking at doing as a solution, for the most part, is not ongoing cuts.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 4050.558, "end": 4060.983, "text": "And what we're doing is moving money in to fill holes that we otherwise would have had at the beginning of the next budget cycle to help start us out 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and I appreciate that we did get the heads up about a month ago, but we've got to do better next year.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 4109.391, "end": 4113.758, "text": "I don't want to have to do this again where we're making the same cuts more than once.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 4113.96, "end": 4114.394, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 4114.974, "end": 4132.236, "text": "So as we go into the budget cycle— I know this is TAO, not budget cycle, but we're going to be having these same conversations— if you think something can't happen, please tell us that not in the fall, but in May when we are having the conversations.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 4132.301, "end": 4133.282, "text": "Tell us honestly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 4133.347, "end": 4138.384, "text": "Let's have an honest conversation about it so that we can make good decisions then.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 4138.979, "end": 4139.253, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 4139.653, "end": 4140.506, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-656", "start": 4140.619, "end": 4141.553, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-657", "start": 4141.682, "end": 4144.821, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-658", "start": 4145.916, "end": 4149.684, "text": "Absolutely, completely agree with everything that Councilor Pirtle-Guiney just said.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-659", "start": 4150.604, "end": 4155.059, "text": "And I really hope that you will take that to heart because she's correct.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-660", "start": 4155.124, "end": 4156.253, "text": "It's not staff's fault.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 4156.479, "end": 4161.844, "text": "It's the fact that we are funding things that we cannot fund and that there are not dollars to be found for.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 4163.179, "end": 4181.54, "text": "In the fall, when my office tried to close the budget gap by reducing appropriations to the general fund income risk encumbrance carryovers utilizing the City Budget Office's own policy for what should or should not be funded through that process, as well as a reduction to sweeps above and beyond their own original targets.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 4181.973, "end": 4183.964, "text": "We were told absolutely not.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 4184.141, "end": 4188.252, "text": "We should not complicate or contemplate any service reductions whatsoever.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 4188.958, "end": 4192.699, "text": "We warned that the compensation set-aside would be needed.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 4193.211, "end": 4205.843, "text": "We warned that revenue was likely to come in reduced again, and as Councilor Kanal had pointed out, we have no evidence that there has ever been an effort to meaningfully manage spending beyond a hiring freeze.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 4206.612, "end": 4210.411, "text": "So it gives me a lot of pause about the budget that we are facing.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 4211.084, "end": 4216.502, "text": "If we cannot manage spending to the tune of $20 million, how are we going to actualize next year's cuts?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 4217.32, "end": 4234.505, "text": "We are now put in the position, based on timing, Where in order to actualize this level of savings through savings this year through underspending, we would have to lay off dozens of employees, something that is untenable to all of us here and to our constituents who are receiving services from the city.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 4235.13, "end": 4246.383, "text": "So we very much have our hands forced in this situation, and I am going to bring it up again for my colleagues and for folks listening that I feel like.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 4246.897, "end": 4255.772, "text": "As an elected official who hired a financial analyst to help me go through all of this, when we have brought up concerns, we have been proven right every single time.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 4256.286, "end": 4261.92, "text": "And I have now gotten to the point where I actually will be annoying and a little bit petty about it, and I'll bring it up every time.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 4262.321, "end": 4268.484, "text": "Because if we had made some of these decisions in prior TAO sessions, we wouldn't be in this position today.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 4269.961, "end": 4284.402, "text": "So there are a lot of things that we need to take a look at moving forward, and I hope that when the elected officials here who manage the power of the purse and the budget, that we're going to be taken with the seriousness that we deserve.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 4287.449, "end": 4288.329, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Murillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 4290.626, "end": 4291.636, "text": "Ruth, turning back to you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 4292.73, "end": 4293.633, "text": "Great, thanks.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 4294.924, "end": 4296.441, "text": "Can you go forward a slide, please?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 4297.539, "end": 4303.948, "text": "So the spring TAO includes— we've just reviewed kind of the general fund and the position we're in.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 4304.225, "end": 4308.108, "text": "There are also other regular actions that occur occur in the spring TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 4308.188, "end": 4313.474, "text": "So I'm going to step through those a little bit, and we'll also have time for questions on those.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 4314.006, "end": 4314.683, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 4316.95, "end": 4328.576, "text": "So this is a summary of some of the other actions in the spring TAO as filed, and these are pretty typical types of things that happen in the spring supplemental budget.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 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4486.192, "end": 4488.79, "text": "Things like that will really affect the fund balance.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4490.438, "end": 4497.824, "text": "And so it's generally a pretty typical and technical exercise relating to timing primarily.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4499.252, "end": 4500.039, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4500.22, "end": 4500.368, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4502.575, "end": 4516.323, "text": "There are a couple of other relatively small changes to call out that are on this slide, 2 related to arts and the Office of Arts and Culture and one related to PBOT that are here.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4519.77, "end": 4520.304, "text": "Next slide, please.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4522.447, "end": 4524.032, "text": "You've seen this slide several times now.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4524.243, "end": 4538.589, "text": "Just a reminder, there is an inter-fund loan ordinance that is traveling with the spring TAO, so separate item, but you will vote on them both next— or well, you'll hear them first both next Wednesday, but they're traveling together.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4538.96, "end": 4541.256, "text": "But there's no changes to that from what we have previously presented.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4542.67, "end": 4542.975, "text": "Next slide.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4545.822, "end": 4547.382, "text": "Okay, and this is just the calendar.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4547.591, "end": 4557.479, "text": "And then I sent out in the slides, you should have— there are various appendix slides that walk through more detail of some of those other types of adjustments.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4557.544, "end": 4560.604, "text": "And so we're happy to answer questions on those at this point.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4562.32, "end": 4562.803, "text": "Thank you very much.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4563.64, "end": 4564.863, "text": "Couple more councilors in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4564.928, "end": 4565.507, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4566.232, "end": 4567.488, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4567.552, "end": 4574.422, "text": "I put my hand up there, uh, just on the kind of first slide in this second part of the session, um, where you describe true-ups.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4575.37, "end": 4585.134, "text": "Um, does the Spring Tow include the true-ups for the ACFR Portland Housing Bureau money?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4585.232, "end": 4587.644, "text": "And where would I find that to verify for my own self?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4587.806, "end": 4591.183, "text": "Yes, um, so it does.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4591.922, "end": 4600.863, "text": "And, um, in the exhibits— sorry, um, actually I'm gonna have Anthony— can you come up and speak to which exhibits?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4601.592, "end": 4601.915, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4602.417, "end": 4603.339, "text": "Exhibit 1.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4606.138, "end": 4608.972, "text": "For the record, Anthony Locke, uh, CBO analyst, Yes.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4609.053, "end": 4610.15, "text": "Supplemental budget coordinator.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4610.988, "end": 4624.733, "text": "You can find much of that information in Exhibit 2, the fund change memo, and you can see kind of the corresponding adjustments in the contingency line.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4625.346, "end": 4632.59, "text": "So for example, if you're in Exhibit 2 and you look at, let's see, which one should we do?", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4633.409, "end": 4634.212, "text": "Like 213.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4634.728, "end": 4641.68, "text": "Which would be the Housing Investment Fund, you'll see that there's an increase there of $37.7 million.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4642.47, "end": 4649.716, "text": "So that means that previously unrecognized beginning fund balance is now in the system.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4650.671, "end": 4657.263, "text": "Okay, so it is accounted for, it is budgeted for in the fall, the spring TAO action.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-744", "start": 4657.928, "end": 4658.269, "text": "That's right.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-745", "start": 4658.366, "end": 4658.512, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-746", "start": 4658.658, "end": 4663.776, "text": "Yes, it's budgeted as beginning fund balance, which is a revenue, It's not like fully allocated.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-747", "start": 4663.825, "end": 4665.847, "text": "There's no proposal about how to allocate those funds.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-748", "start": 4665.961, "end": 4667.364, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-749", "start": 4669.747, "end": 4670.825, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4671.275, "end": 4671.838, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4673.109, "end": 4673.318, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4673.608, "end": 4674.3, "text": "2 questions.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4674.637, "end": 4680.298, "text": "Um, I— the, the slide, the first slide on here, uh, makes sense to me, and I appreciate that clarification.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4680.362, "end": 4703.468, "text": "The one that, uh, has the other proposed changes, um, the third of those, uh, it, it was there does the spring TAO realign that $172,000 in line with a previous action, or is the TAO itself the act, the policy choice to allocate general fund under— council general fund underspending to PBOT?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4706.022, "end": 4710.705, "text": "Like, that's not something that we've done before, right?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4710.93, "end": 4713.329, "text": "I actually have a direct response to this because that comes from my office.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4714.426, "end": 4715.246, "text": "Okay, good enough for me.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4715.487, "end": 4716.692, "text": "I have one question withdrawn.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4716.917, "end": 4717.464, "text": "You did.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4718.123, "end": 4722.783, "text": "My other question is about the next slide with the graph.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4724.38, "end": 4755.057, "text": "My understanding is we have 2 items which are coming up tomorrow which are going to replenish this fund in part, not completely replenish the health fund, because the 11 or 12-ish percent increases in the health the inflation effectively on the health plans, the 2 health plans, is less than the 15% budgeted thanks to Councilor Avalos's budget note last year, and that the difference is going to go into the health funds.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4755.604, "end": 4757.084, "text": "Is that reflected on here?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4757.551, "end": 4758.467, "text": "Is that not reflected?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4758.516, "end": 4758.934, "text": "How does that—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4759.529, "end": 4759.787, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4760.012, "end": 4760.607, "text": "Yeah, good question.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4762.05, "end": 4766.594, "text": "So it's all sort of taken into account.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4766.853, "end": 4775.627, "text": "Basically the way we're, The way that we're treating the sort of health fund reserve is in a couple of different pieces.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4776.061, "end": 4787.004, "text": "This piece right here is for the current— is just to address the current fiscal year, is to ensure that we're able to pay for the health benefits out of that fund through the end of this fiscal year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4787.727, "end": 4807.23, "text": "What we've done is, because we were aware of this earlier in the year, we did briefings, we talked to council about it, we We assumed that would be true going in and in the forecast and expected those expenses for repaying this fund to hit next year.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4807.991, "end": 4817.616, "text": "So there's a sort of loan repayment already budgeted in or already planned for in next year's, in the '26-'27 budget.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4818.248, "end": 4820.822, "text": "And in addition, there is—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4821.016, "end": 4821.146, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4821.918, "end": 4832.621, "text": "Is the delta, as you just said, between the renewal amount and the 15% also going towards those reserves.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4833.155, "end": 4846.918, "text": "So the total increase year over year in health benefits that we're going to experience in '26-'27 is about $22.5 million.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4847.047, "end": 4847.095, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4848.246, "end": 4849.131, "text": "A little more than 22%.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4850.176, "end": 4858.12, "text": "That includes both the loan repayment amount and that reserve rebuilding moving forward so that we don't end up in this situation anymore.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4859.5, "end": 4865.322, "text": "What I believe what you're getting tomorrow is just the renewal contracts for the health plans.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4866.001, "end": 4867.343, "text": "Does that make sense?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4867.78, "end": 4868.508, "text": "Okay, so I think so.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4871.466, "end": 4892.925, "text": "Would I be correct in saying that the the, the deltas are replenishing from 4.3 to 5.2, but that we will then need to pay off $15 million to go from 5.2 to negative 9.8 next year to repay this year's loan, which is why it's projected as actual reserves negative 9.8.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4893.567, "end": 4899.955, "text": "So the delta— you're talking about the delta between the renewal cost and the, um, and the 15%?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4900.228, "end": 4900.437, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4900.485, "end": 4902.732, "text": "That's not impacting this year at all.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4902.86, "end": 4915.136, "text": "It will hit only in right, but, but there's a, um, if you look from 4— from $4.3 to $5.2, what causes that increase?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4917.097, "end": 4918.655, "text": "The loan, just the loan revenue.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4919.202, "end": 4922.818, "text": "Okay, so, so nothing related to that delta is showing up on this graph in any way?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 4922.914, "end": 4923.557, "text": "That is correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 4923.906, "end": 4935.98, "text": "Okay, and so at some point, if and when we take legislative action to appropriate the delta to the fund.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 4936.285, "end": 4936.477, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 4937.07, "end": 4941.528, "text": "That would increase both the $5.2 and negative $9.8 by that amount.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 4942.121, "end": 4942.506, "text": "That is right.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 4942.763, "end": 4943.035, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4943.436, "end": 4944.527, "text": "So this doesn't—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4944.767, "end": 4944.976, "text": "This—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4945.425, "end": 4952.688, "text": "Yes, this graph here doesn't show you anything about like those future forecasted, like, reserve rebuilding plan.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4953.185, "end": 4957.691, "text": "It just shows you what has happened and then what's the effect of the loan itself.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4958.174, "end": 4959.965, "text": "Does that clarify it at all?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 4960.11, "end": 4961.804, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 4961.949, "end": 4970.743, "text": "But what I'm getting at with that question is effectively that there will be a— there is room for this to get better, but not room for it to get worse based on that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 4970.839, "end": 4971.259, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4971.388, "end": 4971.743, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4971.872, "end": 4972.195, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4972.453, "end": 4981.461, "text": "And if you would like a graph kind of showing the projections, including that delta and the other planned reserve rebuilding amounts, we are happy to provide that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4981.863, "end": 4982.121, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4982.91, "end": 5007.55, "text": "In the ordinances tomorrow, just to close this up, It says in the council finds part, the sort of whereases, it says that there's a recommendation to use the 3.9% in the PPA side and use the 4.2%— those are the deltas— to replenish the self-funded medical plan reserve fund.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 5008.372, "end": 5010.627, "text": "It's just that that's not actually happening.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 5010.675, "end": 5012.028, "text": "That's just acknowledging the recommendation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 5012.077, "end": 5012.125, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 5012.621, "end": 5012.981, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 5013.046, "end": 5013.341, "text": "It would—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 5013.374, "end": 5015.14, "text": "The action for that to happen is in the budget.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 5015.843, "end": 5017.233, "text": "Okay, copy.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 5017.299, "end": 5018.097, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 5018.765, "end": 5019.71, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 5020.134, "end": 5020.606, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 5022.512, "end": 5023.554, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 5025.418, "end": 5028.84, "text": "I'm looking at the Transportation Operating Fund.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 5029.276, "end": 5065.888, "text": "Earlier— well, earlier last month, I was trying to get meetings with all the bureau heads So that I could be prepared to come and talk to you, Rosen and Jonas, today, uh, because I wanted to have— I look at this fund and it says there's half a billion dollars in the transportation operating fund that includes the $677,000, but I have no clue as to what that $506 million is scheduled to be used for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 5066.577, "end": 5068.068, "text": "There is no database.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 5068.244, "end": 5072.588, "text": "There is nothing that anyone can go to to show.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 5073.63, "end": 5079.578, "text": "Some of this money was put in 3 or 4 councils ago for projects that they wanted to do, whoever was over the transportation department.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 5079.642, "end": 5080.459, "text": "Now we don't know.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 5081.389, "end": 5086.888, "text": "And, uh, CA Lee asked me to hold off because he wanted to find out as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 5087.913, "end": 5100.706, "text": "So I'm not prepared today to really Um, refute any of the stuff that you're saying because I have no idea what these dollars are expected to be used for in the future.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 5101.846, "end": 5106.647, "text": "And I wish I could have a better understanding of everybody's fund, all those 70 funds.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 5107.402, "end": 5111.303, "text": "When are we expected to use those dollars and for which projects?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 5112.283, "end": 5117.404, "text": "Uh, so I am just assuming, um, Administrator Lee, that you are checking into this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 5118.705, "end": 5123.666, "text": "I wanted to give you an opportunity to do this first because I wanted to find out what this is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 5124.405, "end": 5141.425, "text": "Because saying that you're $677,000 to the bad in the, in the transportation operating fund, that really doesn't mean a whole lot to me when you already have a half a billion dollars in there that I have no idea where it is expected to be spent.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 5141.827, "end": 5143.856, "text": "And what year it's expected to be spent.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 5144.259, "end": 5150.732, "text": "And why is it important for us to put another $677,000 in that particular fund?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 5150.78, "end": 5159.559, "text": "So that is troublesome to me, and it's perplexing probably to you all too, because you're the budget folks.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 5160.487, "end": 5168.079, "text": "And so there is an assumption from where I'm sitting is that you should know where every penny is expected to go, and you all don't.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 5168.144, "end": 5168.289, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 5169.221, "end": 5176.117, "text": "You just know when you're down some money or that you loan some money from a fund and you want to put it back.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 5177.861, "end": 5179.346, "text": "I want to know what's in this money.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 5179.895, "end": 5184.252, "text": "I've been asking for desegregation of every penny in every fund.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 5184.8, "end": 5190.12, "text": "I want to know when it's expected to use because we can make some other choices with those funds.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 5191.191, "end": 5195.843, "text": "And if some of those funds can offset some general fund, That would be all to the better.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 5196.773, "end": 5205.638, "text": "So I'm, I'm really having a tough time saying that I support this TAO because I don't know where all the other money is expected to go.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 5206.071, "end": 5218.079, "text": "So for me, putting $677,000 back to a place, it doesn't give me solace in knowing that, that it's going back to something that I know that we need to pay for immediately.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 5218.271, "end": 5218.72, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 5220.002, "end": 5223.973, "text": "So my question, I guess it's for, um, Administrator Lee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 5225.232, "end": 5236.427, "text": "When can we expect a breakdown of these funds and when they're expected to be used and what they were originally put in these funds for?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 5238.658, "end": 5246.965, "text": "As we go through the budget process, we'll have something for related for each of these service areas where we have these different funds where we can have that broken down for you.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 5247.779, "end": 5253.003, "text": "So are we— are, are there going to be new uses, or are they going to be the original uses that they were put into the fund for?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 5253.067, "end": 5257.365, "text": "Because I know we were— you were going to call for an independent audit and an investigation.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 5257.413, "end": 5258.352, "text": "Is that still going on?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 5258.449, "end": 5259.452, "text": "That's still going on.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 5259.84, "end": 5264.046, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5265.243, "end": 5266.081, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5267.256, "end": 5268.624, "text": "Uh, colleagues, I put myself in the queue.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5269.107, "end": 5271.989, "text": "Um, can we go to the other true-up slide?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5273.838, "end": 5274.468, "text": "Uh, Ruth.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5276.098, "end": 5279.212, "text": "Uh, or sorry, the, the next, the one that has my name on it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5279.341, "end": 5279.729, "text": "It's about—.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 5279.729, "end": 5280.681, "text": "It says art on it.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 5280.794, "end": 5281.359, "text": "And there we go.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5281.762, "end": 5286.902, "text": "I just wanted to explain to my colleagues what this— these 2, uh, top art requests are specifically.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5287.322, "end": 5289.376, "text": "Um, number 2, I'm gonna start with number 2.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5289.44, "end": 5297.553, "text": "Art request number 2 is related to, uh, reporting that we had about a, uh, a reserve balance for the arts tax.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 5298.231, "end": 5316.446, "text": "Um, working with the revenue office, my office has asked to reallocate $1.6 million from that pot of dollar— that reserve fund in this budget to backfill the amount of dollars that were cut from grants, current arts grant recipients.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 5316.927, "end": 5326.812, "text": "Additionally, there will be in the new— or in the next year's budget, an additional $1.6 million from that reserve fund to continue to fill that in the next year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 5327.677, "end": 5331.091, "text": "And art request number 1 relates to an amendment thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 5331.139, "end": 5346.34, "text": "In the emergency ordinance that we all passed last year, again, thank you for that, we had allocated about $300,000 for storefront activation to put artists into some of the vacant storefronts that we have downtown, and then we immediately ran into the hiring freeze.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 5346.934, "end": 5349.936, "text": "And so we've been unable to hire the person who was going to go ahead and do that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 5350.529, "end": 5365.352, "text": "This effort, working with the Arts and Culture Office, redirects the dollars that we would have been using to hire somebody and redirects it so we're going to use it towards our ability to contract those dollars out and get some storefronts activated, especially explicitly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 5365.4, "end": 5375.723, "text": "We've been in conversation with the folks over at the Halperin Sequence, which have an amazing opportunity to activate that— the storefronts that are over there, but they've been sitting fallow for a long time.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 5375.804, "end": 5380.34, "text": "So those are what those 2 are, and I just wanted to give everybody an explanation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 5380.548, "end": 5383.578, "text": "And I'm happy to answer any questions if anybody has anything about that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 5383.738, "end": 5388.53, "text": "But otherwise, Councilor I had a question.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 5388.626, "end": 5390.357, "text": "Oh, Councilor Smith, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 5390.614, "end": 5392.809, "text": "Um, so this is very interesting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 5392.873, "end": 5400.373, "text": "This happened the last time with the TOW, and so Councilor Avalos asked the question, and I'm going to ask the same question again.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 5401.43, "end": 5414.931, "text": "How did you know that you could put something in this TOW instead of waiting for the budget to put earmarks into a TOW that we're supposed to shore up, um, supposedly our bureaus.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 5414.995, "end": 5422.06, "text": "But yet you got individual earmarks that were put in there specifically, like we did in the fall TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 5422.365, "end": 5425.545, "text": "And Councilor Avalos asked, how did you know about that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 5425.673, "end": 5430.137, "text": "And so no one else had the opportunity to put any of their requested earmarks in there as well.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 5430.635, "end": 5433.107, "text": "So now here you go, you did the same thing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 5433.926, "end": 5448.168, "text": "So how did we know, uh, Ruth, And, and, and, uh, Jonas, that there was an opportunity for us to shoot you some opportunities to put things that we wanted outside of the budget into the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 5449.276, "end": 5450.85, "text": "When did that conversation happen?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 5451.123, "end": 5457.112, "text": "Because I sure didn't see an email of you sending us a note saying if you have anything you want in the TAO, put it in.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 5458.091, "end": 5468.271, "text": "I thought that these kind of requests would go in to the budget as a budget amendment or something that you wanted the mayor to put in.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 5468.721, "end": 5470.889, "text": "So this is very, very new stuff to me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 5471.579, "end": 5472.928, "text": "Um, did I miss something?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 5473.04, "end": 5479.639, "text": "Was there an email that went out to the councilors that said that if you had any things that you wanted to go in our TAO, uh, let me know?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 5479.704, "end": 5480.924, "text": "It was certainly not from the budget.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5481.004, "end": 5487.314, "text": "This was— my office has been working both with the revenue office and the arts and culture office for the last year to try and implement Dunphy 2.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5488.133, "end": 5492.613, "text": "And also working directly— I've been working since I got into office on the reforms for the arts tax.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 5492.693, "end": 5493.32, "text": "Oh, I understand.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 5493.512, "end": 5503.082, "text": "When we knew about that at the time and heard the reporting specifically to the arts tax, worked with the revenue office to find out whether there is a solution for us to do it in this year.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 5503.146, "end": 5509.906, "text": "And this was the proposal of moving items from one side of a column to the other in the TAO being the most appropriate thing.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 5510.035, "end": 5514.61, "text": "I have been trying to make sure people who are getting ready to lose their housing got rent assistance.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 5514.947, "end": 5515.108, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 5515.349, "end": 5521.497, "text": "But yet you somehow got into the towel when people are getting ready to be evicted from their homes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 5522.172, "end": 5528.545, "text": "These are, these are simply dollars that had been previously— well, to Dunphy 2 specifically, these were dollars that we had previously allocated.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 5529.155, "end": 5531.659, "text": "This is about changing it from personnel to EMS.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 5532.671, "end": 5534.613, "text": "It is a, it's a color of money amendment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5534.758, "end": 5536.026, "text": "Yeah, I know, I know what it is.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5536.379, "end": 5536.604, "text": "I know.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5536.925, "end": 5538.899, "text": "And, and there's some things, some other things.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5538.948, "end": 5544.999, "text": "So I thought that these things had to be changed in our, in our budget cycle.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5545.128, "end": 5547.753, "text": "I did not know that you could do all things under this TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5549.01, "end": 5549.722, "text": "That's all I'm saying.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5552.872, "end": 5564.002, "text": "That, um, and that's why people feel like some councilors have more information, whether it be the council president or others who are chairs of, of committees.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5564.763, "end": 5573.597, "text": "They're getting more access to be able to put things into a TAO than all of us instead of us, I thought I had to amend the TAO to get something put into the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5573.822, "end": 5575.271, "text": "I didn't know I could put something in the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5576.012, "end": 5585.114, "text": "So this is, this is process, and I guess we're all getting used to the rhythm of how we all do this kind of work.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5586.309, "end": 5596.809, "text": "And I appreciated the, the budget note conversation that City Attorney Taylor put in on how we do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5596.866, "end": 5597.054, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5598.004, "end": 5605.909, "text": "I just didn't see another kind of memo that gives us the range of things that we could do by putting things in the TAO.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5607.066, "end": 5613.091, "text": "And I know that it's tough from the budget office to— you got, you got to respond to a lot of people.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5614.457, "end": 5630.571, "text": "And I'm going to tell you right now, Mayor, if you do not put no new money for budget office staff In this, I'm not voting for your, um, for your budget because I'm not— I'm not going to deal with this same problem next year.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5631.181, "end": 5632.274, "text": "There's not enough people.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5632.772, "end": 5634.282, "text": "People don't know what's going on.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5634.555, "end": 5650.812, "text": "You better take care of the people who take care of the money, because if you don't, you're always going to have this conversation with this level of intensity, of disapproval, and non-belief of what the budget office says until you shore that up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5650.86, "end": 5651.069, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5651.662, "end": 5653.089, "text": "That's what you need to shore up.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5654.211, "end": 5662.163, "text": "I understand that we have a homeless problem, but we have an infrastructure problem right now, and we need to take care of our infrastructure first.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5663.525, "end": 5663.862, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5664.327, "end": 5665.096, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5665.593, "end": 5666.298, "text": "Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5667.517, "end": 5668.815, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5669.376, "end": 5672.005, "text": "I do have a question about the ART request one.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5672.326, "end": 5672.983, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5674.25, "end": 5685.822, "text": "You said that this was money that was going to go to hiring a person to do the work of finding the right spaces to coordinate to get art in windows, basically.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5685.87, "end": 5685.934, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5686.671, "end": 5689.732, "text": "And now instead, we are contracting for that work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5691.175, "end": 5692.505, "text": "You understand why that made me pause?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5692.777, "end": 5693.226, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5693.595, "end": 5702.233, "text": "So I have no problem with a direct appropriation to fund the work, right?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5702.698, "end": 5704.605, "text": "We know that this is a good location.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 5705.118, "end": 5713.178, "text": "This money is going directly to the artists I have no problem with this is a one-time thing.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 5713.308, "end": 5720.903, "text": "So rather than a limited duration position for 2 months, we're going to contract for somebody for 2 months because it's such a short period of time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 5721.973, "end": 5733.482, "text": "I'm trying to understand if what you meant when you said we're contracting for the work is one of those 2 things, or if what you meant is we are actually contracting out for 6 or 10 or 12 months to do this work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5733.562, "end": 5734.109, "text": "I think it's the latter.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5734.492, "end": 5748.982, "text": "Somebody to do the work we would have hired somebody for because under a hiring freeze we are allowed to hire contractors and not employees, because that would be something that I would have a fundamental concern about.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5749.335, "end": 5759.557, "text": "Yeah, my understanding is that this aligns well with an existing contract that the city's already doing on some of that public space activation through the Office of Arts.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5759.99, "end": 5776.549, "text": "But you are right, in an ideal situation, We've been working for the last 9 months to try and get this hired as an employee, and we're essentially told that this was our last opportunity to get these dollars used without them being returned back.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5777.52, "end": 5778.172, "text": "So, but you're not wrong.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5778.302, "end": 5799.983, "text": "So that I understand though, is the money going— and maybe this is a question for the city administrator— is the money here going to fund somebody on contract Do we have a contract to do work because under our hiring freeze we are allowed to fund somebody under contract and not hire somebody, which I have a fundamental philosophical problem with?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5800.256, "end": 5802.889, "text": "If we're in a hiring freeze, we're not doing new work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5803.595, "end": 5814.466, "text": "Or do we have a contract where the money is going to pay for the actual artist's time and we are adding money to that to pay for more artist time?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5814.546, "end": 5814.915, "text": "I think that's a great question.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5817.958, "end": 5823.149, "text": "I'm not, I'm not 100% sure.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5823.279, "end": 5825.015, "text": "I have to follow up on that to see.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5825.226, "end": 5826.229, "text": "Could you get the answer for me?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5826.679, "end": 5827.275, "text": "Yeah, I can.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5827.5, "end": 5827.982, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5830.459, "end": 5831.264, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5831.312, "end": 5832.213, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5832.969, "end": 5835.17, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5835.624, "end": 5839.484, "text": "Uh, thank you for that line of questioning, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5839.597, "end": 5843.525, "text": "I appreciate it, and I'd like that info I think maybe the whole council might be interested.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5844.135, "end": 5853.506, "text": "Um, I, I think maybe one of the, the things that's coming up that we haven't really acknowledged is that a lot of what's in this ordinance is an adjustment but isn't technical.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5854.405, "end": 5863.616, "text": "Um, you know, there, there are things in here that are, are potentially a little bit more, um, policy conversation adjacent or, or overlapping.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5864.113, "end": 5869.337, "text": "And this has come up, um, since the, the, the brand of this yes.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5870.635, "end": 5873.23, "text": "It was a bump before, as the mayor pointed out.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5874.85, "end": 5877.083, "text": "Budget monitoring process was the acronym.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5877.437, "end": 5892.431, "text": "And as it changed to technical adjustment ordinance, I think that has maybe undersold the impact of it a little bit in terms of this is just— a technical adjustment would be moving something from last fiscal year to next fiscal year in the context of the fall bump.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5892.738, "end": 5894.133, "text": "Those encumbrance carryovers, those are technical.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5894.189, "end": 5894.355, "text": "I get that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5895.585, "end": 5899.507, "text": "But I think there are some things in here that are policy conversations too.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5899.604, "end": 5903.348, "text": "I don't think necessarily that the arts piece falls into that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5903.412, "end": 5912.725, "text": "I think because we already discussed it in the context of the budget, Dunphy 2, that what we're just doing is making it happen.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5913.08, "end": 5914.852, "text": "And I think that's maybe helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-969", "start": 5914.932, "end": 5919.654, "text": "We have done supplemental budgets before as their own standalone ordinances.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-970", "start": 5919.75, "end": 5921.168, "text": "And so I have no— I'm not saying anything about this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-971", "start": 5921.217, "end": 5921.829, "text": "I'm just saying that's what I'm saying.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-972", "start": 5923.16, "end": 5936.937, "text": "Year's spring TAO, but in the future, I think it might be helpful to allow for that separate conversation through a supplemental budget and, and allow for us to, to be more transparent, not only with the public but actually with the folks up on this side of the dais.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-973", "start": 5937.21, "end": 5937.564, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-974", "start": 5941.001, "end": 5942.042, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5943.277, "end": 5944.074, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5944.269, "end": 5948.097, "text": "Yes, Council President, and so I want to go back to the other proposed changes yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5948.354, "end": 5957.798, "text": "The Springtown realigns $172,000 of council general fund underspending to PBOT for projects located in District 4.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5958.396, "end": 5960.726, "text": "There's $100K signage for the new Brooklyn Bridge.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5962.198, "end": 5965.499, "text": "There's $2K, and then there's the Sheridan Street safety project.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5965.92, "end": 5973.579, "text": "And so it is my understanding it's not just council general fund underspending, that specific councilors have asked to use their specific budgets.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5974.595, "end": 5975.253, "text": "To pay for this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5975.317, "end": 5984.035, "text": "And I think that those specific councilors' budgets need to be identified instead of generally saying council general fund underspending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5984.308, "end": 5995.016, "text": "This is— it should be said that XYZ is coming out of Councilor Green's office, XYZ is coming out of Councilor Morillo's office for the New Brooklyn Bridge and the Sheridan Safety Project.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5995.128, "end": 5999.736, "text": "It should be the actual councilor's name, not just a general, because that's not the truth.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5999.8, "end": 6000.089, "text": "Councilor Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 6000.765, "end": 6004.492, "text": "It's not coming out of council general fund underspending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 6004.637, "end": 6008.719, "text": "It is coming out of specific councilors' budgets, and that should be identified.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 6010.786, "end": 6011.834, "text": "Is there a problem with that?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 6014.342, "end": 6015.904, "text": "Ruth or Anthony can jump in.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 6016.177, "end": 6018.56, "text": "I don't think there's a problem with describing it that way, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 6018.609, "end": 6020.557, "text": "I think that's a valid and fair point.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 6020.621, "end": 6029.865, "text": "I think the nuance here, and just acknowledging that I believe council offices are in one fund, And so that's the reason it's referred to just as a collective.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 6029.977, "end": 6030.955, "text": "But just—.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 6030.955, "end": 6042.49, "text": "If something happens to you all today and somebody else has to take the place, they have to do what's in writing and they'll just take out of whatever the big pot is of underspending.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 6042.554, "end": 6046.96, "text": "So you need to be very clear on what this is and what this looks like and who it's coming from.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 6047.265, "end": 6047.633, "text": "Yeah, that's fair.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 6047.681, "end": 6058.215, "text": "Because I'm sure they would probably want to get credit for doing the Brooklyn Bridge and doing the other things out of their district offices instead of just that's totally fair.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 6058.344, "end": 6062.329, "text": "And I mean, again, this is sort of focused on the budgetees, not councilors.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 6063.405, "end": 6067.679, "text": "I consider that a technical change in how we do this.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 6067.743, "end": 6072.129, "text": "Not changing it, but it's just giving credit to who's actually giving those resources.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 6072.467, "end": 6077.48, "text": "Understood, and happy to make space for councilors to take that credit if they choose to, at their discretion.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 6077.544, "end": 6079.086, "text": "I don't think they have a choice in it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 6079.135, "end": 6092.891, "text": "I'm just saying that you need to identify so I know thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 6093.325, "end": 6093.936, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 6096.603, "end": 6103.418, "text": "I, I just put my hand up to say full disclosure, $100 grand coming from Councilor Green's office for PBOT stuff.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 6103.776, "end": 6107.988, "text": "Um, $75 of it came from our last OEO from last budget.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 6108.85, "end": 6112.11, "text": "And then we have some underspend there, so we just— we're trying to roll it.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 6112.3, "end": 6113.58, "text": "We're just trying to allocate it here.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 6113.58, "end": 6120, "text": "And then we got— we had some conversation with, uh, PBOT about taking another $25,000 and just topping that up to make it an even $100,000.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 6120.56, "end": 6127.34, "text": "I agree with you 100% on your substantive point, which is like— because don't make it feel like it's coming from your budget or your budget or your budget.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 6127.34, "end": 6128.54, "text": "It is coming from my budget.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 6128.54, "end": 6133.8, "text": "And I'm— in the future, I understand you probably are like hesitant to put my name on it without asking and that sort of thing.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 6133.8, "end": 6133.82, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 6134.413, "end": 6136.147, "text": "You have my permission in these sorts of things.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 6136.403, "end": 6136.628, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 6136.821, "end": 6137.077, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Keith Wilson" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 6137.142, "end": 6137.8, "text": "And thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 6137.864, "end": 6144.091, "text": "And I do just want to note to both those comments, I mean, this is a unique, you know, Council obviously has a unique role at the city, absolutely.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 6144.588, "end": 6148.953, "text": "And each convers— there was individual conversations with each Council office.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 6149.082, "end": 6162.477, "text": "And so really those decisions are absolutely 100% based upon those individual Council office directives, which might include requests for, credit or requests otherwise.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 6162.541, "end": 6164.319, "text": "So we're merely being responsive to that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 6164.562, "end": 6169.087, "text": "If individual councilors want to approach that in a different way in the future, we're certainly happy to accommodate that.", "speaker": "Jonas Biery" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 6171.078, "end": 6171.868, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 6172.32, "end": 6173.4, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 6173.981, "end": 6180.118, "text": "Yeah, full disclosure, my office paid $2,000 to get the Brooklyn Bridge up late.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 6180.475, "end": 6186.178, "text": "So, you know, the Brooklyn Bridge is actually mine now, and I would like that reflected in the budget.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 6187.925, "end": 6189.072, "text": "But yeah, I know, right?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 6189.121, "end": 6190.721, "text": "$2K for a bridge and it's all yours?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 6191.48, "end": 6192.983, "text": "Just kidding, it belongs to the city.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 6193.565, "end": 6195.213, "text": "Oh, Olivia's telling me I have to maintain it now.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 6195.746, "end": 6196.586, "text": "I don't know how I feel about this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 6198.78, "end": 6200.062, "text": "No, I think that's fine.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 6200.111, "end": 6206.734, "text": "I feel fine having that, if it is helpful to people, having it line itemed whose office it came out of.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 6207.572, "end": 6218.72, "text": "I think the way I frankly went into a lot of our budgeting for our office was knowing that our bureaus are going to be taking really difficult cuts at this time, and everyone's going to be sort of pitching in and doing their part.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 6218.817, "end": 6227.884, "text": "So we have some money left over to give back to the general fund, and I'm— I think that's a good thing, or that was our intended way of spending our office funds.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 6228.482, "end": 6229.952, "text": "So I will leave it at that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 6230.987, "end": 6232.102, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 6235.61, "end": 6236.706, "text": "Councilor Green, are you in the queue again?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 6237.161, "end": 6237.347, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 6240.768, "end": 6241.122, "text": "Take us home.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 6241.25, "end": 6242.199, "text": "Anything further from y'all?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 6242.633, "end": 6243.003, "text": "Great.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 6244.274, "end": 6249.839, "text": "So there are a couple of follow-ups from today and we will get those out to you as soon as possible.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6251.202, "end": 6262.232, "text": "And I do wanna note there are the— we'll be circulating the full list of the decision packages in the spring TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6262.312, "end": 6268.878, "text": "So there's a little bit more narrative detail in there than what we posted and sent to you already.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6268.942, "end": 6269.926, "text": "So you will get that this afternoon.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6274.027, "end": 6274.998, "text": "Were there other things?", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6275.225, "end": 6285.256, "text": "Oh, and the fund, the description of the funds that were updated to reflect the ACVIR, you'll get an exhibit with that.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6285.579, "end": 6294.499, "text": "And we also have additional descriptions about the encumbrances that we will also circulate to you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6294.58, "end": 6297.53, "text": "So you will get all of that information and—.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6297.741, "end": 6298.746, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6299.923, "end": 6307.746, "text": "Feel free to reach out to us with any questions before Wednesday of next week when we have the first reading of this.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6307.858, "end": 6317.974, "text": "Additionally, we don't have a formal process set up for amendments for the spring TAO, although we should probably have a conversation about that moving forward for supplemental budgets.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6318.038, "end": 6329.916, "text": "But Owen Saitz, who's worked with you all and is working with you for the '26-'27 budget process, is also available for any amendments that you would like to put in for the spring TAO.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6329.98, "end": 6330.237, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6330.849, "end": 6348.968, "text": "So just go ahead and shoot him or us an email, and he's happy to help you ensure that those amendments, you know, have the correct technical language and information included in them before Wednesday of next week.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6349.016, "end": 6352.568, "text": "And if you'd like to post them, you know, we can make sure they get posted ahead of time.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6353.565, "end": 6353.838, "text": "Excellent.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6354.143, "end": 6354.577, "text": "Councilor Knell.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6355.927, "end": 6358.289, "text": "Just a question on that, or 2 questions.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6358.402, "end": 6365.496, "text": "One is, will that include the decision packages that are not I'm seeing a couple in— I'm in Exhibit 4, I want to say.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6365.576, "end": 6370.86, "text": "Yeah, that are proposed packages that are zeroed out.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6372.381, "end": 6381.703, "text": "So it's actually the, you know, these are the things that I'm assuming means that somebody asked for a change and was not— that was not included.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6382.04, "end": 6384.1, "text": "Will there be— will that be included in here?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1065", "start": 6384.566, "end": 6386.143, "text": "I'm looking at the very last line on page 2.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1066", "start": 6386.32, "end": 6386.545, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Raymond C. Lee" }, { "id": "cue-1067", "start": 6391.638, "end": 6401.353, "text": "So some of the dollar amounts that have zero represent like net neutral adjustments made in the general fund.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1068", "start": 6402.066, "end": 6412.835, "text": "And then there are a couple, and we can provide follow-up, where kind of on a technical basis, we're not— I'm sorry, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1069", "start": 6414.153, "end": 6414.925, "text": "Not advance forward.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1070", "start": 6415.053, "end": 6418.461, "text": "So it just became clear in conversations internal to the Bureau that those should be withdrawn.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1071", "start": 6419.055, "end": 6419.377, "text": "And so—.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1072", "start": 6419.859, "end": 6422.639, "text": "Yeah, this one just happens to say proposed package.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6423.169, "end": 6426.207, "text": "So I know there was a proposal in that scenario.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6427.432, "end": 6436.652, "text": "The other thing is, will these dollar amounts in the immediately preceding sections, this is the bulk of Part 2, the general fund return, will those be disaggregated further?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6436.928, "end": 6453.951, "text": "Because I'm seeing, what, you know, the $1.3 million, uh, we've talked about, the $1.4 million we've talked about, but the $2 million from the Office of the Public Safety DCA, I imagine, has a bunch of sub, uh, information there, and I would love to see that, um, particular one.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6455.844, "end": 6461.463, "text": "We, we can provide information that maps what we presented to specific decision packages.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6462.06, "end": 6475.562, "text": "I, I do recognize in the general fund return category there there are a couple of things that are just related to general fund underspending, and then there are some related to, like, for example, the special revenue fund adjustment for the PPV.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1078", "start": 6475.869, "end": 6476.581, "text": "Yeah, for police.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1079", "start": 6477.244, "end": 6481.676, "text": "So yeah, we can make sure that the information you see here is crosswalked properly.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1080", "start": 6482.256, "end": 6485.718, "text": "Yeah, I assume— I have faith that it's been crosswalked.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1081", "start": 6485.815, "end": 6486.733, "text": "I want to be clear on that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 6487.57, "end": 6490.904, "text": "I just want to know, $2 million is not one position.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 6490.952, "end": 6492.98, "text": "It's probably from several of that office.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 6493.028, "end": 6493.894, "text": "It's a big office.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 6494.038, "end": 6496.298, "text": "I'd love to have an understanding of, of that.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 6496.378, "end": 6500.176, "text": "I think if it's, you know, $30,000 from the Office of Equity, that's probably a single source.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 6500.288, "end": 6501.089, "text": "We can figure that out.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 6501.345, "end": 6504.07, "text": "But for those larger dollar amounts, having that transparency would be helpful.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 6504.374, "end": 6514.982, "text": "Yeah, and that information will be in the decision package, so you can see like what major object money is taken from when you see the— when you see all of the discrete items in, in the TOE.", "speaker": "Anthony Locke" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 6515.367, "end": 6517.579, "text": "We can provide it for the Office of Public Safety.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 6517.947, "end": 6521.665, "text": "Sounds like like that one, and then we'll look if there are any other significant size ones.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 6521.777, "end": 6530.927, "text": "Sometimes it is just like sort of personnel underspending, and so it's not disaggregated to specific programs.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 6530.991, "end": 6537.642, "text": "But to the extent there are large ones where there are multiple things happening in the bureau, we can certainly provide that detail.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1094", "start": 6538.283, "end": 6543.683, "text": "Yeah, and I think a good example is if you go up to the top of that section, the 2nd through 4th line, they're all BPS.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1095", "start": 6544.555, "end": 6549.256, "text": "But it tells me one is graffiti abatement, you know, that level of understanding.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1096", "start": 6549.867, "end": 6554.118, "text": "And it's— I understand that's how the, the bureau or the office requests it is probably how you have it.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1097", "start": 6554.44, "end": 6557.37, "text": "So it's a little bit subjective in terms of your evaluation.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1098", "start": 6557.418, "end": 6559.286, "text": "I just— that's one that I happen to be—.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan, Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1099", "start": 6559.286, "end": 6563.279, "text": "Yeah, we'll, we'll do our best to get as much detail in there as possible.", "speaker": "Ruth Levine" }, { "id": "cue-1100", "start": 6566.238, "end": 6567.116, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1101", "start": 6567.36, "end": 6582.668, "text": "Um, colleagues, our, our friends from the Office of Arts and Culture are here to answer some of Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's questions that she'd asked earlier about the, uh, Dunphy 2, uh, TAO carryover or TRUA.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1102", "start": 6585.335, "end": 6590.153, "text": "Hello, good afternoon.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1103", "start": 6590.267, "end": 6592.078, "text": "For the record, my name is Cherity Montez.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1104", "start": 6592.126, "end": 6593.873, "text": "I'm the Director of the Office of Arts and Culture.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1105", "start": 6594.31, "end": 6602.614, "text": "My understanding is there are questions about the second bullet on the previous slide, or the first bullet, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1106", "start": 6605.866, "end": 6607.981, "text": "Council President, is it helpful if I repeat the question?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1107", "start": 6608.304, "end": 6608.498, "text": "Please.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 6609.258, "end": 6609.42, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 6609.727, "end": 6612.072, "text": "And Ms. Montez, thank you for rushing over.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 6612.233, "end": 6617.615, "text": "I know that it's hard when you're in the middle of other projects and we suddenly have questions that weren't anticipated.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 6618.912, "end": 6628.801, "text": "What's listed as Art Request 1 was described as reallocating funds that were originally meant to hire somebody to connect artists with space.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 6629.555, "end": 6635.016, "text": "We couldn't hire that person because of a hiring freeze, so we're adding the funding to a contract to contract out the work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1113", "start": 6635.481, "end": 6660.441, "text": "What I'm trying to understand is whether we are putting this $190,000 toward, for example, paying for artists through this contract to activate spaces that have been identified as good spaces, or whether we are putting this money toward hiring somebody to do the work that the individual we were going to hire would have done but for the hiring freeze.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1114", "start": 6661.341, "end": 6661.662, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1115", "start": 6661.823, "end": 6662.803, "text": "Thank you for that question.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1116", "start": 6662.964, "end": 6688.076, "text": "And just so that you understand the motivation, if it's the latter, if we are essentially hiring somebody but through contract and the hiring freeze is changing how we bring somebody on to do the work but not actually limiting our spending on people doing the work, I have concerns both from a relationship with our labor unions and an effectiveness of our constraints.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1117", "start": 6690.506, "end": 6691.35, "text": "Thank you for the question.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1118", "start": 6691.464, "end": 6692.405, "text": "I understand the concern.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1119", "start": 6692.941, "end": 6696.562, "text": "We would look at, this would be a very short-term fix.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1120", "start": 6697.733, "end": 6705.108, "text": "We would not spend the full $190,000 on a contract for a person to help us do the work.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1121", "start": 6705.365, "end": 6717.832, "text": "I do believe that we would probably spend up to $25,000 to contract with with an existing artist/arts administrator to help us do some of the work to put art into vacant storefronts.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1122", "start": 6718.378, "end": 6721.409, "text": "The original Dunphy II had a collection of things.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1123", "start": 6721.585, "end": 6727.567, "text": "Some of it is grants, some of it was a space finder, and some of it was storefront activation through art.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1124", "start": 6728.593, "end": 6734.399, "text": "And we would use the rest of the $190,000 towards more art and paying more artists.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1125", "start": 6734.463, "end": 6734.575, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1126", "start": 6735.534, "end": 6747.432, "text": "So this is using $25,000-ish to pay for a person doing the same work we would have paid for a person internally to do, but we're not doing it internally because of the hiring freeze?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1127", "start": 6748.033, "end": 6750.613, "text": "Not all of the same work, a portion of the work.", "speaker": "Cherity Montez" }, { "id": "cue-1128", "start": 6751.32, "end": 6754.87, "text": "Okay, um, thank you for the explanation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1129", "start": 6755.128, "end": 6756.177, "text": "I really appreciate it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1130", "start": 6756.338, "end": 6765.757, "text": "Um, it's not what I was hoping you would say, but I think knowing that is really helpful and and Council President, I think I— it's a small amount of money.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 6766.435, "end": 6774.772, "text": "I don't want to pick a big issue over something small that is important, but I, I do have some concerns about our policy here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 6775.872, "end": 6777.684, "text": "I want to think about what I do with that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 6777.975, "end": 6778.379, "text": "Fair enough.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 6779.9, "end": 6780.872, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 6782.185, "end": 6792.43, "text": "Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue— pause for dramatic effect— I believe that concludes our work session on the spring TAO.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 6793.383, "end": 6796.533, "text": "Thank you all for your thoughtful questions and debate.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 6796.614, "end": 6800.405, "text": "Thank you, staff, for everybody for, uh, your thoughtful answers.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1138", "start": 6800.584, "end": 6804.975, "text": "And we will be back in this building, this exact space, 9:00 AM tomorrow.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1139", "start": 6805.92, "end": 6806.325, "text": "9:30?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1140", "start": 6806.827, "end": 6807.297, "text": "9:30.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 6809.113, "end": 6810.539, "text": "9:25, People.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 6811.122, "end": 6813.165, "text": "With that, I'm adjourning the, uh, work session.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 6813.327, "end": 6813.537, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 6815.051, "end": 6815.31, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 6815.456, "end": 6815.911, "text": "We're adjourned.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" } ] }