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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I am now convening the, uh, Wednesday, February 25th morning meeting of the Portland City Council.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please take the roll.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Good morning.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>Present.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

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<v Loretta Smith>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Here.

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<v Olivia Clark>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Here.

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<v Loretta Smith>Pierce?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Mitch Green>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

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<v Steve Novick>Here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>And I see Councilor Kanal.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Kanal has also joined us, yes.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And can we please read the, uh, rules of decorum for the chamber?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Good morning.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Welcome to the Portland City Council.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>The presiding officer preserves order.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting others' testimony or council deliberations will not be allowed.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you cause a disruption, a warning will be given.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Further disruption will result in ejection from the meeting.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Anyone who fails to leave once ejected is subject to arrest for trespass.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Additionally, council may take a short recess and reconvene virtually.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your testimony should address the matter being considered.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>When testifying, state your name for the record.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Your address is not necessary.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, colleagues.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>First thing on our agenda is approval of the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Are there any, uh, requests to amend the agenda, to reorder items, or reschedule items for the future?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do I have unanimous consent to approve the agenda?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, Council President?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I had heard, and perhaps I'm incorrect, that we might be holding an item over because some of our colleagues were absent today.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I had also heard that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I heard Councilor Zimmerman was going to be introducing a motion to postpone, and he's not here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Um, would you like to introduce it?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think out of respect for my colleague Councilor Ryan, who's not here and is one of the co-sponsors of agenda items 11 and 12, I'd like to ask that we take those up at the next council meeting when he is present.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I don't want to delay this significantly.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we're not able to do it at the next meeting, I'd ask that you let us know that.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think this is important to move as quickly as possible, but I do know that he was hoping to be able to weigh in.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Absolutely.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I have no objections to scheduling this for our next council hearing.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that a formal motion to postpone, or how do we do that?

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<v Candace Avalos>I have a point of information though.

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<v Candace Avalos>It's at the end of this agenda, right?

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<v Candace Avalos>Or towards the end of the agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Towards the end of the agenda.

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<v Candace Avalos>So which could mean it could be already moving to tomorrow.

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<v Candace Avalos>Like, can we make a decision later if it's going to be like— can it already be pushed to tomorrow?

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<v Candace Avalos>Does that make sense?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I would like to— I'm hoping to move it now a full week.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, I'd like to move it to next Wednesday.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I don't consent to that.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, we will.

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<v Keelan McClymont>So I think since we are changing the agenda, we will need to make a motion, a second, and vote to change update the agenda.

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<v Steve Novick>Okay.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Uh, I would move to— it's a little awkward because it sounds like we have co-sponsors on different sides of this.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I had heard the request from co-sponsor Councilor Ryan to move it, and I'm hearing the request from co-sponsor Koyama Lane not to.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I think, um, I'll put the motion out there that we postpone items 11 and 12 to next week.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President.

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<v Candace Avalos>Second.

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<v Keelan McClymont>All right, motion by Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Councilor Clark.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Candace Avalos>No.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

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<v Sameer Kanal>Point of information, is this not debatable?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't know.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is this a debatable— is a motion to postpone a debatable motion?

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<v Keelan McClymont>I would need to look really quickly.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I just have—.

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<v Loretta Smith>It is.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I just have a point of information, which is our are they absent for the whole day, or is it a— is there a chance they'll be here later?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Ryan is traveling, and I think out of— not able to call into the next couple of meetings like today and tomorrow.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, we'll see.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I didn't see a virtual participation or anything, or even an absence put in.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think I did see an absence, but I don't know.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm hearing about any of this.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Council President, it is debatable.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, this is a debatable motion.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Councilor—.

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<v Keelan McClymont>And we are in the middle of a vote, so—.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think we moved to the vote a little early.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Because Councilor Kanal had a—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I mean, I, I think I got my, my question answered, but I'm seeing that the absence includes next week, or at least next Wednesday, so I'm going to vote no.

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<v Keelan McClymont>All right, would you like to continue with the vote, Council President?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>No.

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<v Angelita Morillo>No.

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>No.

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The motion to postpone those items fails with 6 yes votes, 5 no votes, and 1 absent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, do I have consent to approve the remainder of the agenda?

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<v Keelan McClymont>No.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, can we take a vote on approval of the agenda then?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do we need a motion for that?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Avalos, I'm sorry, point of information.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If we don't approve the agenda, what happens?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't think we can meet.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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<v Keelan McClymont>All right, I'll continue with the vote.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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<v Angelita Morillo>I'm sorry, is this a debatable motion?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Agenda approval?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yes, because I have some things to say.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo, go ahead.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Okay.

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<v Olivia Clark>We—.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I understand that maybe there are some differences in a single amendment in this policy.

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<v Angelita Morillo>We have city business to get done that needs to move forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>We do not always get what we want, and negotiations are very difficult in this building, and I'm not entirely happy with how everything went down on many sides.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Councilor Smith.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But we have an agenda with a lot of important items to fulfill.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yesterday, the Housing Committee already got stalled because someone didn't file an absence and let us know they weren't going to be there, and we lost quorum.

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<v Angelita Morillo>We cannot have a Republican-lite legislature here that has walkouts or doesn't vote to approve the agenda for us to meet and get our work done because people are unhappy with individual items.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I would really like for us to just get our work done.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I wanna be clear that my motion to remove something to the agenda was not to stall for any purposes having to do with the amendments on the table, not to delay the important work that we have on today's agenda.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>There are many other very important things, but simply to where is his absence from?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>He has an absence filed online.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Smith.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, uh, Council President.

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<v Loretta Smith>And I agree that we have to get business done, but we also can't have councilors who engage with unpeaceful protesters stopping our meetings either, which happened last week.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Last week, multiple councilors up here said they wish this could move forward quickly.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>To clarify, this package has been ready since August, and the previous council president stalled that.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>So would love to keep this moving.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Zimmerman doesn't want this to come to an evening meeting.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>It seems like there are a lot of different tactics to stall things.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Community has spoken really clearly.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>That's who I'm here for.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'd like to get back to business, please.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, can we please move to the vote on approval of the agenda?

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, aye.

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<v Loretta Smith>No.

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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Oh nope, sorry.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Clark?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

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<v Eric Zimmerman>No.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The agenda is approved with 9 yes votes, 2 no, and 1 absent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to public communications?

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<v Keelan McClymont>First up, we have Guy Frankenstein.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Good morning.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Morning.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Identify yourself for the record.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Uh, my name is Guy Frankenstein.

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<v Mitch Green>That is my real name.

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<v Mitch Green>That's not a joke.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Uh, my pronouns are he/him.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Good?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, yeah, please.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>In 1932, Prussia, the largest state in Germany, saw SA and SS forces march through neighborhoods, provoke confrontation, and destabilize life.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Initially, Prussia fought back.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>They supported and enforced bans, they restricted permits, and they used police authority to stop mobilization.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Then the bans were lifted.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>It was argued that accommodating these forces would mitigate harm and prevent escalation, which would provide a better long-term outcome than resistance.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>So state government stepped back.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>If you need me to explain what happened to Prussian government officials a few months later, then you shouldn't be sitting in those seats.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Here is the truth about the situation with ICE.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>It will escalate.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>This council and everyone in this state are not outliers.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Repeating the mistakes of the past will lead to the same outcome.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>You can resist and have a chance at success, or you can do what you're currently doing, Thank you.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>With confidence that you will fail.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>You are a government of a city that is in the crosshairs of this administration, and acquiescence isn't going to buy you time.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>It's only going to ensure your demise.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>In the past 2 months, I have personally witnessed ICE tear gas children and union members, and on the day that ICE murdered Alex Pretty, watched Portland police throw protesters to the ground and laugh in their face, with one officer daring me to do something about it.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Councilor and the response to all of this is hollow words from Keith Wilson and opportunistic moralism from this fucking council.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>I don't know if the mayor and this council are scared or incompetent, but you were elected to exercise power, not narrate its limits.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>If you are waiting for the perfect opportunity to take action, you are waiting for something that is not going to arrive.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Portland has autonomy and legal authority to govern ourselves and rein in the actions of Gestapo agents within our walls, and you have you have abandoned that responsibility.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Portland is one of the most populated cities in the most powerful country in the world, and the inaction by its government belies the importance of what is taking place here.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>The president is threatening to illegally federalize our elections within months and have ICE agents at polls, yet you sit here and shuffle responsibility between departments.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>When ICE goosesteps through those doors on order from Kristi Noem, it will be the thousands of people you are failing that will stand between between you and them.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Not PPB, not Keith Wilson, not Tina Kotek.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Us.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Because we do our part even when you don't do yours.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>This November, I, along with many others, will be running for city council to replace you with the express purpose of ending illegal federal actions within our city and pushing hard accountability for anyone that enabled ICE.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>You are not built for the actions that this moment demands.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Thank you.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>And cannot see the end of the path you're on.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>We are fighting back because there will be no second chance.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Fuck this council.

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<v Guy Frankenstein>Fuck Keith Wilson.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And fuck ICE.

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<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

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<v Olivia Clark>Could you please explain the rule of decorum?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, colleagues, we cannot— or the public, we cannot tolerate, uh, profanity.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have an FCC license.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are broadcasting live.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Please try to maintain rules of decorum in the chamber.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Holly Brown online.

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<v Olivia Clark>Hi, yeah, can you all hear me?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, we can hear you.

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<v Candace Avalos>Go ahead.

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<v Olivia Clark>Um, yeah, my name is Holly Brown.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm a resident of District 2.

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm also a member of Portland Contra las Deportaciones.

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<v Olivia Clark>That's interesting, uh, Councilor Jamie Dunphy, you say that we cannot tolerate profanity.

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<v Olivia Clark>What about councilors threatening to shoot peaceful protesters like Loretta Smith?

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<v Olivia Clark>Do we tolerate that?

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<v Olivia Clark>Why is she allowed in the building today?

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<v Olivia Clark>I'm here to speak about the violent suppression of First Amendment rights that occurred last Wednesday during the evening meeting of council.

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<v Olivia Clark>Protesters are rightfully upset at the council's profound lack of action on ICE.

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<v Olivia Clark>You are the legislators of Portland, and yet even the most progressive of you pretend that you have no power and capitulate in advance to ICE and Trump.

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<v Olivia Clark>So it should come as no surprise to you when people disrupt your meetings.

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<v Olivia Clark>When you do not listen to the demands of the people or work on the things we are begging you to work on, there's nothing left for us to do than to make sure that you can hear our message and that you hear how serious the situation is with ICE here in Portland.

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<v Olivia Clark>In response to people simply chanting and holding up a petition with 19,000 signatures demanding that you put forth legislation to shut down the Portland ICE facility, Council President Jamie Dunphy called the police on protesters and all of you hid away in your offices.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Interesting.

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<v Olivia Clark>4 People were arrested that night, and you all stood by in silence as the mayor and police chief Bob Day put out statements saying our protest was violent and that we vandalized City Hall.

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<v Olivia Clark>This is simply a lie.

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<v Olivia Clark>2 Of the charges— or 2 of the protesters have already had their charges dropped, showing that these are sham charges meant to perpetuate a narrative that you are under threat when actually it is us who are under threat.

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<v Olivia Clark>In response to a petition, Councilor Loretta Smith There is no other way to interpret this than a threat to shoot protesters who get out of line and to try to silence us with violence.

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<v Olivia Clark>Shame on you, Loretta Smith.

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<v Olivia Clark>You should resign.

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<v Olivia Clark>Where were the denunciations from the rest of the council to this threat to shoot peaceful protesters?

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Kanal, simply saying that you would vote it down and would not bring a gun is not enough.

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<v Olivia Clark>Councilor Morillo saying that these protesters are annoying but that Loretta Smith's position is nuanced is a shame.

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<v Olivia Clark>Why could none of you say that we denounce this threat of violence?

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<v Olivia Clark>And those are just the councilors who said something.

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<v Olivia Clark>Most of you were completely quiet while Councilor Loretta Smith threatened to shoot protesters and continues to now smear us by saying that we are violent.

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<v Olivia Clark>What a lie.

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<v Olivia Clark>It is very clear what side you are on.

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<v Olivia Clark>We demand that Council President Jamie Dunphy commits to no longer Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>We demand that Mayor Wilson stop calling the police on protesters and that he changes security protocol to ensure the safety of the public in meetings from the police, from security, and now from the councilors, because I guess we have to worry about that.

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<v Olivia Clark>We also demand that all councilors denounce Loretta Smith's threat of violence.

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<v Olivia Clark>We want you to say this very clearly, that you denounce her threat to shoot protesters.

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<v Olivia Clark>We also demand an end to the practice of banning immigrant rights protesters from entering City Hall, because that is what is happening.

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<v Olivia Clark>It is illegal.

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<v Olivia Clark>We also demand that the charges are dropped against Susan Anglada-Bartley and Henry Roloff.

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<v Olivia Clark>Walking up to you with a petition does not deserve charges or to be placed in jail.

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<v Olivia Clark>We also demand that the Portland ICE facility is shut down immediately and that the permit is revoked.

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<v Olivia Clark>Stand up, do your job, stand against ICE.

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<v Olivia Clark>It's pathetic, honestly.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you for being here.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Cole Donahue.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Morning.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Last Wednesday at the last full council meeting, I and—.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>For the record.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Oh, oh, sorry.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Cole Dunnehue is my name.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Last Wednesday at the last full council meeting, I and more than 50 other people showed up to protest and exercise our First Amendment rights by calling for the facility to— or for the city to act and shut down the South Waterfront Ice Facility.

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<v Unidentified speaker>What followed was a disgusting response from the city, its private security goons, and PPB, in which 4 people, including me, were arrested.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Today, I'm gonna focus on my particular experience of that night.

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<v Unidentified speaker>When we were gathering outside of City Hall, one of the private security guards came up to me specifically and said that I had been trespassed from City Hall and that I would not be allowed entry.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I had been there for a total of about 5 minutes by that point and hadn't even attempted to enter the building yet.

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<v Unidentified speaker>A few minutes later, I was able to get the attention of that same security guard and ask what the legal justification for that order was.

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<v Unidentified speaker>He initially didn't even give me He never came back outside.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Without any documentation, I couldn't reasonably believe his words had any actual legal authority.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So when the doors to City Hall opened, I attempted to enter the building to attend the publicly accessible meeting.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I was once again told that I had been trespassing and that I wasn't going to be allowed entry.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This time they did give me a sheet of paper, but it was not documentation.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It had no charges listed on it, no cease and desist, nothing.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Councilmember Wilson, you're under arrest.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I was essentially being told I wasn't allowed in this public building because they didn't feel like letting me in.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'd also like to take this opportunity to call out how slowly everyone was let in that night.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The doors opened several minutes later than usual, and by the time they did open, well more than 50 people had 10 minutes to make it through security before the start of that City Council meeting.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The security process seemingly intentionally was extra slow for a large evening meeting.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Usually they let in about 2 people at once and check them, all of that.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This time they were just letting people in one by one.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith.

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<v Unidentified speaker>More than a dozen people were still waiting to be let in at 6:30, half an hour after the meeting was scheduled to start.

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<v Unidentified speaker>That is shameful.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And while I was never let into City Hall that night, Thomas Allen, a known right-wing agitator who has assaulted dozens of people with pepper spray, both at City Hall and down at the ICE facility, including 5 people earlier that same evening, including my own fucking sibling, was allowed entry into City Hall like it was absolutely no problem.

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<v Unidentified speaker>After being— after I was shown no documentation stating why I wasn't allowed entry into the building, I was told that the police were on their way and that they'd have the documentation I was looking for.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I stayed in the doorway waiting for their arrival to see it, and when the police did arrive, I left the building and was immediately arrested by police.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It is appalling that the City of Portland treats protesters the way it does by ignoring demands, suppressing peaceful— look at me, Loretta Smith— peaceful protesters, and then demonizing those same protesters in public statements afterwards.

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<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilmember Smith.

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<v Unidentified speaker>PBB should not be mobilized to this end.

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<v Unidentified speaker>They are the ones who escalate things.

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<v Unidentified speaker>They are the ones who put people in danger.

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<v Unidentified speaker>They are the ones who hurt people.

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<v Unidentified speaker>City Hall— City Council would not be disrupted as often if people felt like they were actually being listened to.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The way you fix that is by taking real action to impede ICE's reign of terror, and the way you do that is by shutting down ICE's facility on the South Waterfront.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Revoke the permit immediately.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Tyler Fellini.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Just a second, Councilor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Members of the council, Council President, my name is Brian Behman, the project manager for Allied Universal.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, the testimony today will have some evidence that he wants to, uh, bring and show you guys.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Being that they are spent incendiary rounds, they're going to remain in security control during this presentation.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You guys have any questions, Captain Truman will be able to show you guys.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Okay, so she's grabbing that right now, and I turn it back over to I'm just going to wait.

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<v Robert Taylor>Mind just setting the bags out so they can see?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Councilors, for the record, my name is Tyler Fellini.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I'm a registered lobbyist, uh, and the executive director of Portland Jobs with Justice.

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<v Tyler Fellini>These are spent munitions that were collected on the 31st of January and the 1st of February.

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<v Tyler Fellini>This is just 2 of the 4 bags that are in there.

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<v Tyler Fellini>On the 31st, I reached out to the mayor's office to speak about what had happened.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Our organization was one of the organizations that planned the massive peaceful rally and march that marched down and past the ice— the McAdam Ice Facility and was teargassed.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I have not heard back.

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<v Tyler Fellini>It's been almost a month.

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<v Tyler Fellini>That same day, I checked in with Councilor Green's team because I knew he'd been impacted by the gas, and I expressed our desire to speak on the actions of federal agents that day, and they recommended that I request public comment time.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Now, since the mayor has authority to enforce the fine that city councilors passed last month, I believe it's most important to get before him with my concerns, and I've been trying to get on the regular council agenda in the hopes that you would invite him here so that I could speak about that as a member of an organization that planned that rally.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Councilor Sameer Kanal.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I've been told that the proper way to get on the full agenda is to go through a committee.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I reached out to Councilor Novick and Councilor Kanal's staffs to try to get before the Public Safety Committee.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Still waiting to hear back.

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<v Tyler Fellini>At this point, I've spoken to many of you about our concerns, and I've expressed a desire to speak.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I have still not heard back from the mayor's office, so I'm now here before you all since this council has public and accessible meetings.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I'm concerned about the mayor's comments at a 5051 event in which he alleged that federal agents used tear gas in response to a handful of agitators.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Seeming to justify their actions, and I'm concerned about his office's lack of response to our request.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Again, I reached out on the 31st to his office.

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<v Tyler Fellini>As a registered lobbyist, I have the privilege to be here during the day that many other working Portlanders do not have.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I'd also like to think that I have a good grasp of how local government works, especially because of how often our organization engages with the city.

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<v Tyler Fellini>And if it's been this challenging for us to get before the mayor, especially as an organization that directly played a role in organizing the event on the 31st that the mayor has spoken about multiple times since, As well as the governor and the attorney general, I can only imagine how many other constituents must feel.

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<v Tyler Fellini>This is not a sign of an effective and responsive government, and despite the best efforts of you all to be accountable to your constituents, to have district talks, etc., the actions of the mayor's office have unfortunately put you all in the crosshairs.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Now, while some may disagree about the tactics that were used last week by constituents, I can certainly recognize the frustration that they must feel.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I feel that frustration.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Um, I want to close by saying this.

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<v Tyler Fellini>In a speech, Dr. King once said that a riot is the voice of the unheard.

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<v Tyler Fellini>That was not an endorsement for riots.

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<v Tyler Fellini>That was him saying that when change becomes impossible through ordinary measures, the people will turn to extraordinary measures.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I understand that you all are not the mayor.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I cannot get a hold of the mayor.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I am before you all.

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<v Tyler Fellini>I would urge you all to I would urge you to correct the mayor's record that a few agitators led to ICE tear gassing thousands of innocent people, because you and I both know that's not what happened that day.

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<v Tyler Fellini>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Next up, we have Seth Todd.

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<v Steve Novick>Seth Todd.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, we're gonna call the alternate since Seth isn't, uh, present.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Tobias Goldstone is joining us online.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Tobias Goldstone, resident of Old Town.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I just want to thank the City Council for allowing me to speak in this forum today, and thank you for working together to help solve some of the fundamental problems that our wonderful city is experiencing.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'm here to provide some awareness around a small infrastructure project that impacts over 1,000 residents in the Old Town neighborhood.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This is the NATO Flanders Crossing project.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It's to upgrade the train signals and alter the intersection to allow for safer pedestrian crossing under the steel bridge.

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<v Unidentified speaker>One outcome of the safety upgrades is to submit for a train horn exemption and allow for a quiet zone in the Old Town neighborhood.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This effort's been ongoing since 2010.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>With an administrative order that was issued requesting that this project be started in 2021.

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<v Unidentified speaker>This effort gained traction, and City Council voted to approve to move forward in 2023.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Subsequently engaged with ODOT and PBOT to get a project moving forward and reached 95% complete plans completion.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Unfortunately, due to the length of time it took To get to, uh, to get the plans completed.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Prices went up, and we have a shortfall of about $750,000 to complete this project.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, we are looking for a win in the Old Town neighborhood, especially on a project that has gone on for this long.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I'm hoping that City Council will be able to provide some options to be able to fill that funding gap.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And ultimately get this, get this safety crossing built.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And it will also support a safety— safer crossing for the, for the skate park that is planned in that area as well.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So there's a lot of, there's a lot of unlocks by, by doing this.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I urge the council to reach out to PBOT and please request to find alternate, some additional funding sources To be able to move this project along.

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<v Unidentified speaker>It certainly will help over 1,000 residents that live in that area that have experienced this problem for a long period of time.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So a very small thing that would be a big win for the city of Portland, and I urge the council to, to push this forward.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here this morning.

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<v Keelan McClymont>That completes communications.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, can I take a moment for a point of personal privilege?

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Sure.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just want to thank you for working with our security team to allow the former speaker to bring the spent canisters here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I've attended dozens, maybe hundreds of labor-led rallies over the years, and even if the situation were, as the mayor described, a few agitators, which I don't believe is what that rally was, And even if one believes that chemical munitions are an appropriate response in our neighborhoods, which I don't believe it is, that amount of chemical munitions is far beyond what I would have expected to see.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think it was impactful to have it here.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think it was important for us to see that and for our fellow Portlanders to be able to see the extent of what was deployed that day.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I appreciate you working with our security team to find a, a safe and reasonable way for our the former speaker to bring those into the building.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, our next item is the committee referral report, and as normal, colleagues, I'm not going to read it, uh, but I will encourage you to look at it online.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>A number of items have been referred to committees.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Some have already been heard.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Those items are listed in the committee referral report, which is available online at portland.gov/auditor/council-clerk.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Council.gov/committee-referral-list.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call our time-certain item number 4?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 2026-037, adopt the Affordable Housing Opportunities Project amendments to the comprehensive plan map and the official zoning map.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this is a land use item, and I am required to close testimony on the record before we vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So I am officially closing the oral and written testimony on this item.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, before we move to a vote, is there any discussion on this?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that a legacy hand?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call the vote?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:22.059
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan— oh, sorry, Koyama Lane.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Mitch Green>Green.

436
00:36:35.365 --> 00:36:35.414
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

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<v Olivia Clark>Zimmerman.

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00:36:36.661 --> 00:36:36.742
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

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00:36:37.163 --> 00:36:37.503
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy.

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<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 11 yes votes and 1 absent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Could we please call item number 5?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 5, document number 2026-063, adopt the Public Infrastructure Environmental Code Project to streamline environmental zoning regulations to accommodate needed infrastructure projects Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamsick from Council Ops is available online to give us our committee staff summary report.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, for the record, Claire Adamsick, council policy analyst and staff to the Climate Resilience and Land Use Committee.

448
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<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-063, was heard in the Climate Committee on February 12th, 2023, and moved by Councilor Yes.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance amends Title 33, Planning and Zoning, as specified in the Public Infrastructure Environmental Code Project Recommended Draft, which is Exhibit B.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance also directs adoption of the findings of fact report and commentary found in Exhibits A and B as legislative intent and further findings.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The code changes amend the standards and procedures for development in environmental overlay zones, to clarify requirements related to the maintenance, upgrade, and replacement of public infrastructure.

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00:37:59.121 --> 00:38:03.597
<v Unidentified speaker>The amendments also modify the approval process for natural resource management on public property.

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<v Unidentified speaker>As part of its recommendation to council, the Climate Committee approved a BPS staff-proposed technical amendment that's posted online, and the amendment is also summarized in the committee staff summary.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts economic and real estate development impacts, community impacts and community involvement, and the city's 100% renewable energy goal.

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<v Unidentified speaker>One person testified during the committee meeting on February 12th, and 2 people submitted written testimony via the MAP app prior to committee action.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The general themes of the testimony included the urgency in modernizing aging climate-resilient flood safety infrastructure, ensuring environmental codes align with the physical constraints of public infrastructure and do not impede development, inclusion of the Port of Portland in proposed code changes as an owner and manager of flood safety infrastructure, which include the Vanport Wetlands and Vanport Pump Station.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And finally, a request from the Urban Flood Safety and Water Quality District for the removal of a code provision related to the use of code standards in wetland areas.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilors Novick and Murillo, I'm not sure who was I think I was.

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<v Steve Novick>Do you remember, Councilor Morillo?

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<v Angelita Morillo>I feel like we always have this problem, Councilor Novick, but, um, yeah, the staff summary was great.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I don't have anything additional to add.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Steve Novick>Yeah, I would add that basically the point is when, um, as I— that when the Water Bureau is like doing routine work they have to do around pumping stations, they're not going to be able to do that.

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<v Steve Novick>Stations, um, there's standards that they should have to meet as opposed to going through a whole new review every time they do it.

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<v Steve Novick>That's the— that's the— I think that the, the gist of it, uh, have set standards for them they have to meet, uh, cut down on the amount of individual review they might have to do every time they have to do work in a pump station.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, are there any technical or clarifying questions about this item?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, Councilor Clark, Vice President Clark.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

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<v Rebecca Dobert>I would just—.

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<v Candace Avalos>A question for the co-sponsors.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Is this a, a streamlining measure, would you say?

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<v Steve Novick>Yes, I would.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Removing roadblocks?

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<v Steve Novick>Yes, acknowledging there's some work that has to be done routinely, And rather than sort of revisit how it's done every time, establish standards that have to be met every time.

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<v Olivia Clark>Excellent.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor— or Vice President Clark.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Keelan, is there anyone signed up for public testimony?

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<v Keelan McClymont>No one signed up.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, is there any debate on this item?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I just wanted to say, um, since I sit on that committee and I asked a lot of questions of the presenters at the time just around making sure that this is going to be used as more loopholes to bypass protections for climate.

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<v Candace Avalos>I understood that their intent is to make it easier to make things more climate resilient.

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<v Candace Avalos>So I felt satisfied by their answers.

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<v Candace Avalos>I can't remember exactly what I asked, but I remember feeling like, okay, that was what my concern was and why I ended up supporting it.

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<v Candace Avalos>So just wanted to let my other colleagues know.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I put myself in the queue.

494
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<v Jamie Dunphy>I have just a couple brief remarks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>You know, first, I do want to just start by thanking BPS for their hard work on this.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm largely very supportive of all the sort of efforts towards pragmatic reform and streamlining of our zoning code.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I do want to flag a couple of concerns.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The ordinance itself acknowledges that due to real-world physical constraints on public infrastructure, Many of the intended benefits of environmental review are not achievable.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>In practice, discretionary review can add significant cost and delay without delivering corresponding environmental or public benefit.

500
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<v Jamie Dunphy>This reality points to a code problem.

501
00:42:17.106 --> 00:42:18.710
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's not an applicant issue.

502
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<v Jamie Dunphy>We shouldn't rely on individual operators like the port to seek project-specific exemptions.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Instead, our code should be written in a way that provides councilmember Herbold.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think it's important that we have clear, uniform standards with appropriate flexibility so that the review effort is focused on outcomes, not process.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I'm also— I have some concerns with some of the provisions specifying some of the administrative details, like which bureau administers the reveg fee fund.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>It feels a little outside of the scope of a zoning code update and might have some future unnecessary complications.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>But, you know, my intent is to continue pursuing zoning process reforms that align with We need to build housing.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We have to update our aging infrastructure, and we have to allow for adaptive reuse of commercial spaces without unnecessary delay and conflicting requirements.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I think this is a step in the right direction, absolutely, and the way our city should be moving.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I will be supportive today, but just wanted to flag a couple of additional things on the record.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue to discuss this, Second.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>This now moves to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we— is that right?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yes.

516
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<v Jamie Dunphy>And yeah, there we go.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>I have a script to read.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>The oral and written testimony is now closed on this item, the Public Infrastructure Environmental Code Project zoning code amendments as amended in the Climate Resilience and Land Use Committee will be continued to March 11th at 9:45 AM, time certain for a final vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please move to the next item?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, next up we have the consent agenda.

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<v Keelan McClymont>No items have been pulled.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I move to adopt the consent agenda.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Are there any objections?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, you know what, I'm so sorry, consent agenda does require a roll call vote.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, I would move to adopt the consent agenda.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Yeah, and we don't actually need a motion, we'll just call the roll.

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<v Candace Avalos>Let's go.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Thanks.

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<v Keelan McClymont>All right, uh, Avalos?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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<v Rebecca Dobert>Aye.

533
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<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

534
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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:52.769
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

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00:44:52.769 --> 00:44:52.789
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

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<v Steve Novick>Aye.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 8?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-040, accept the 2024-2025 Parks Levy and Parks Levy Oversight Committee annual report.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I believe— is Claire also here?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>There we go.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Claire Adamsick.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I'm here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>From Council Operations is here to give us a Thank you again, Council President and councilors.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Again, for the record, Claire Adamsick, Council Policy Analyst and staff to the Climate Resilience and Land Use Committee.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The report before you, document number 2026-063, was heard in the Climate Committee on January 29th, where it was referred to council with a recommendation it be accepted.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The report requests the acceptance of the 2024-2025 Parks Levy Annual Report and the 2024-2025 Parks Levy Oversight Committee Annual Report.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The Parks Levy Annual Report provides information on the allocation and implementation of funds in the fiscal year 2024-2025 in alignment with 15 parks levy commitments passed by voters in the 2020 Parks Levy Ballot Measure.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The Parks Levy Oversight Committee Annual Report offers a review of parks levy actions in 2024 and 2025, including adherence to the original ballot measure language fiscal accountability and transparency.

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<v Unidentified speaker>The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and community impacts and community involvement.

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<v Unidentified speaker>No one provided written or verbal testimony prior to committee action, and that concludes the committee staff summary.

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<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

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00:46:49.715 --> 00:46:50.309
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

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00:46:50.583 --> 00:46:57.744
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilors Novick and Murillo, I will again look to you as the chair— uh, chairs of the committee, if any further comments.

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00:46:58.788 --> 00:46:59.398
<v Steve Novick>Nothing to add.

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00:47:01.112 --> 00:47:03.077
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, I don't have anything to add on the Parks Annual Report.

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00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:05.798
<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

564
00:47:06.525 --> 00:47:17.021
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we have a number of our folks from the Parks Bureau here if there are any technical or clarifying questions at this moment.

565
00:47:17.231 --> 00:47:18.101
<v Jamie Dunphy>Or, oh, Councilor Knoll.

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00:47:19.166 --> 00:47:23.987
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah, in a moment I'm gonna move to approve the report 'cause I think we need that motion.

567
00:47:24.605 --> 00:47:27.485
<v Sameer Kanal>But first I just wanted to point out one particular part in there.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The report was great and thank you to both Claire Adamsick And Claire Flynn, who does the levy coordination at Parks.

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00:47:33.856 --> 00:47:51.235
<v Sameer Kanal>But there was one piece in here that I wanted to highlight, which is that the report cautions about reliance on the parks levy as the primary funding source, or as a larger funding source than it already is, to fund Portland Parks and Recreation, and specifically notes that general fund cuts would erode the levy's impact.

570
00:47:51.282 --> 00:48:08.978
<v Sameer Kanal>And I just wanted to take the chance to remind everyone that in the context of the new levy passing, that we made a commitment to voters not to use levy funds as an excuse to cut general fund services, and that the purpose of the levy was to ensure maintenance of services at Portland Parks and Recreation.

571
00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:16.782
<v Sameer Kanal>And any cuts to parks and recreation that reduces service levels would be a breach, a violation of that commitment, and I intend to uphold that commitment.

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00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:21.293
<v Sameer Kanal>So I think it's worth noting that that was a commitment we made in the last levy, and we're continuing it to this day.

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00:48:21.342 --> 00:48:21.534
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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00:48:21.936 --> 00:48:25.335
<v Sameer Kanal>And looking forward to having that conversation in more detail when we get to the budget.

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00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.025
<v Sameer Kanal>But in the meantime, I'll move to adopt the report.

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00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:29.088
<v Jamie Dunphy>First, we have public testimony.

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00:48:29.867 --> 00:48:31.672
<v Sameer Kanal>Oh, my apologies.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, are there any technical or clarifying questions, or is there an interest in having any of our parks team come and give us additional information?

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00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:44.108
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to public testimony?

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00:48:46.362 --> 00:48:47.407
<v Keelan McClymont>We have Tim Williams.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

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00:49:00.782 --> 00:49:04.958
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please introduce yourself for the record, uh, if you prefer to share your pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

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00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:06.355
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

585
00:49:06.869 --> 00:49:07.976
<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, good morning, councilors.

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00:49:08.153 --> 00:49:09.101
<v Unidentified speaker>My name is Tim Williams.

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00:49:09.454 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Unidentified speaker>I'm a resident of Southeast Portland and a member of the Parks Levy Oversight Committee.

588
00:49:14.432 --> 00:49:24.909
<v Unidentified speaker>We are a committee of 5 community members, and in conjunction with park staff, we meet quarterly, and our role is to review information to verify general compliance with the 2020 Parks Levy.

589
00:49:25.358 --> 00:49:28.838
<v Unidentified speaker>Our meetings are open to the public, and we accept public comment.

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00:49:29.994 --> 00:49:38.335
<v Unidentified speaker>In year 4 of the 2020 Parks Levy, we found Portland Parks and Rec adhered to the ballot language and made continued progress on all 15 commitments.

591
00:49:39.137 --> 00:49:43.981
<v Unidentified speaker>The department was fiscally accountable in tracking dollars in a transparent, audible, and effective way.

592
00:49:44.061 --> 00:49:44.222
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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00:49:44.655 --> 00:49:50.338
<v Unidentified speaker>And was clear in their communication of the parks levy impact, particularly with the use of visual communication methods.

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00:49:51.413 --> 00:50:00.994
<v Unidentified speaker>We commend Parks for a clean third-party audit of the parks levy, which had no findings or recommendations, and we saw this as a validation of Portland Parks and Rec's framework and implementation.

595
00:50:02.472 --> 00:50:07.753
<v Unidentified speaker>We encourage Portland Parks and Rec to continue to share how parks levy funds are essential to a healthy Portland.

596
00:50:08.570 --> 00:50:16.114
<v Unidentified speaker>Without the parks levy, basic service levels such as park restroom cleaning, trash pickup, or open community centers would not be possible.

597
00:50:16.163 --> 00:50:16.259
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

598
00:50:17.237 --> 00:50:22.188
<v Unidentified speaker>The 2020 Parks Levy was approved by Portland voters to be additive funds for park and recreation services.

599
00:50:22.701 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Unidentified speaker>And as mentioned before, any cuts to general funds means that the Parks Levy is relied on more heavily to support Portland Parks and Rec operations.

600
00:50:30.233 --> 00:50:34.367
<v Unidentified speaker>That would undermine the ability of Portland Parks and Rec to fulfill commitments made to voters.

601
00:50:34.896 --> 00:50:40.777
<v Unidentified speaker>So we caution the council about a potential reliance on the levy, which would erode the impact of the Parks Levy.

602
00:50:41.931 --> 00:50:49.545
<v Unidentified speaker>But overall, we were very pleased with year 4 of the 2020 Parks Levy and emphasized the critical nature of this funding for a functioning parks and recreation system.

603
00:50:50.429 --> 00:51:00.865
<v Unidentified speaker>We would also like to take this opportunity to remind the council that 2020 Parks Levy is only for operational funding, and the 2025 levy includes a small portion for capital projects.

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00:51:01.507 --> 00:51:07.289
<v Unidentified speaker>The combination of the 2 levies do not address the sorely needed funding of capital projects within the Portland Parks system.

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00:51:08.315 --> 00:51:19.967
<v Unidentified speaker>I want to thank City Council for continued support of the Parks Levy, and we look forward to future years of success I would also like to thank Claire Flynn and Sarah Huggins for all their work with the committee in making sure that it functions.

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00:51:20.226 --> 00:51:20.855
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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00:51:21.371 --> 00:51:22.547
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much for being here this morning.

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00:51:25.338 --> 00:51:27.576
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

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00:51:27.769 --> 00:51:28.461
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

610
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:29.992
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we now move into discussion of this.

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00:51:30.588 --> 00:51:31.601
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

612
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:33.583
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

613
00:51:33.646 --> 00:51:41.398
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to thank the Oversight Committee for the continued work and for bringing forward this year's report.

614
00:51:42.112 --> 00:51:52.985
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is great trust that the public puts in us when they vote for a levy, and the oversight that this committee has provided is critical.

615
00:51:53.563 --> 00:52:02.077
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate the, the role that they've played in keeping us on track with delivering on all 15 commitments that were in the 2020 Parks Levy.

616
00:52:02.173 --> 00:52:07.706
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll also note that there were stronger commitments made in the levy that voters just passed.

617
00:52:07.771 --> 00:52:07.931
<v Rebecca Dobert>Thank you.

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00:52:08.251 --> 00:52:19.606
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And my colleague in District 2, Councilor Kanal, beat me to the punch on noting some of those commitments, including ensuring that we continue to fully fund our parks system.

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00:52:20.505 --> 00:52:26.822
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think it's important to say that over and over again as we near the, the budget season.

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00:52:27.641 --> 00:52:41.056
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And as we look to build the next oversight committee, I hope that they continue on the strong work of this oversight committee and ensure that we continue to meet our obligations to Portland voters with room to spare.

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00:52:42.422 --> 00:52:51.702
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It'll be a difficult budget year, and the services provided by our parks are critical services that we will need to maintain.

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00:52:52.521 --> 00:53:10.715
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just really am grateful to the current oversight committee for all the work that they have done in helping us to continue to have the trust of Portland voters to deliver, to deliver on the commitments that we make and that Portland voters ask for as they approve these levies.

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00:53:11.141 --> 00:53:11.485
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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00:53:12.125 --> 00:53:13.092
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

625
00:53:15.891 --> 00:53:19.554
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, I would accept a motion to accept the report.

626
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:20.554
<v Sameer Kanal>So moved.

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00:53:21.054 --> 00:53:21.458
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Second.

628
00:53:21.717 --> 00:53:24.509
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal moves, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney seconds.

629
00:53:25.298 --> 00:53:27.603
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to a roll call vote?

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00:53:31.132 --> 00:53:32.034
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, sorry.

631
00:53:34.097 --> 00:53:34.483
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Uh, Avalos?

632
00:53:34.822 --> 00:53:34.871
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

633
00:53:35.483 --> 00:53:35.773
<v Steve Novick>Smith?

634
00:53:36.353 --> 00:53:36.402
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

635
00:53:36.773 --> 00:53:37.273
<v Olivia Clark>Kanal?

636
00:53:37.563 --> 00:53:37.739
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

637
00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:38.998
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

638
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:40.056
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

639
00:53:40.875 --> 00:53:41.342
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

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00:53:41.742 --> 00:53:41.903
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

641
00:53:43.527 --> 00:53:43.994
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo?

642
00:53:44.476 --> 00:53:44.523
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

643
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:45.360
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick?

644
00:53:46.164 --> 00:53:46.211
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

645
00:53:47.047 --> 00:53:47.385
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

646
00:53:47.786 --> 00:53:47.818
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

647
00:53:48.902 --> 00:53:49.001
<v Keelan McClymont>Aye.

648
00:53:49.398 --> 00:53:49.414
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

649
00:53:49.978 --> 00:53:50.376
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

650
00:53:56.103 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Eric Zimmerman>Good work all.

651
00:53:56.735 --> 00:53:57.157
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

652
00:53:57.302 --> 00:53:57.871
<v Jamie Dunphy>More to come.

653
00:53:58.583 --> 00:53:58.632
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

654
00:53:59.733 --> 00:54:03.152
<v Keelan McClymont>The report is accepted with 10 yes votes and 2 absent.

655
00:54:04.269 --> 00:54:04.681
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you very much.

656
00:54:04.780 --> 00:54:07.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 9?

657
00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:28.068
<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-071, amend council committee code to allow for the creation of a committee to review the Colleagues, this is the second reading of an ordinance that we heard last week.

658
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:33.137
<v Jamie Dunphy>This code enables our ability to do the work that we already approved for our new committee structure.

659
00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:37.050
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there any council discussion of this item before we move to a vote?

660
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:44.824
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one, can we please call the roll?

661
00:54:44.907 --> 00:54:44.942
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

662
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:45.074
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

663
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:45.293
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Opposed?

664
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:48.856
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

665
00:54:50.804 --> 00:54:51.032
<v Loretta Smith>No.

666
00:54:53.224 --> 00:54:53.273
<v Unidentified speaker>Aye.

667
00:54:57.523 --> 00:54:57.570
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

668
00:54:59.623 --> 00:54:59.672
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

669
00:55:01.012 --> 00:55:01.190
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

670
00:55:01.965 --> 00:55:02.014
<v Guy Frankenstein>Aye.

671
00:55:07.230 --> 00:55:15.295
<v Keelan McClymont>The ordinance passes with 9 yes votes, 1 no vote, and 2 absent.

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00:55:16.547 --> 00:55:18.548
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item number 10?

673
00:55:19.802 --> 00:55:20.338
<v Mitch Green>Are you—.

674
00:55:20.371 --> 00:55:22.016
<v Sameer Kanal>May I have a brief point of personal privilege?

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00:55:22.570 --> 00:55:22.974
<v Unidentified speaker>Absolutely.

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00:55:23.086 --> 00:55:24.266
<v Sameer Kanal>Just wanted to note 2 things.

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00:55:24.541 --> 00:55:25.155
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, colleagues.

678
00:55:25.204 --> 00:55:29.650
<v Sameer Kanal>I didn't say this last week because we hadn't created the committee yet, but now that that is created, I appreciate it.

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00:55:29.715 --> 00:55:36.987
<v Sameer Kanal>And to everyone who testified about much of the issues with protests, we will be looking forward to discussing that in the Committee of the Whole.

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00:55:37.358 --> 00:55:37.697
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

681
00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:41.208
<v Keelan McClymont>Item 10.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Document number 2026-052, authorize Bureau of Transportation to acquire certain permanent and temporary property rights necessary for construction of the Northeast MLK Boulevard Safety and Access to Transit project through the exercise of the city's eminent domain authority.

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00:56:04.208 --> 00:56:04.992
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

684
00:56:05.108 --> 00:56:10.052
<v Jamie Dunphy>We have Christopher Hare with Council Operations here for a council Council committee summary.

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00:56:10.804 --> 00:56:11.173
<v Christopher Hare>Thank you.

686
00:56:11.751 --> 00:56:13.657
<v Christopher Hare>Good morning, Council President and councilors.

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00:56:13.753 --> 00:56:18.065
<v Christopher Hare>For the record, Christopher Hare, Council Operations Policy Analyst, and I serve as staff to the Finance Committee.

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00:56:18.818 --> 00:56:27.938
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance before you, document 2026-052, was considered in the Finance Committee on February 9th, where it was referred to council with a recommendation that it be passed.

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00:56:29.077 --> 00:56:44.757
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance declares it necessary to acquire property interests across 12 property owners, including 5 permanent easements and 12 temporary construction easements, as described in Exhibits 1 through 37 for the Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard Safety and Access to Transit Project.

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00:56:45.253 --> 00:56:56.367
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance further authorizes the Director of the Bureau of Transportation, PBOT, or a designee, and/or the City Attorney to acquire necessary permanent and temporary rights for the project under eminent domain.

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00:56:57.041 --> 00:57:04.597
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance grants PBOT and the City Attorney's Office the authority to negotiate and offer just compensation for the required property interests.

692
00:57:04.998 --> 00:57:12.947
<v Christopher Hare>If negotiations are unsuccessful, the ordinance authorizes the initiation and condemnation proceedings to determine just compensation through the judicial process.

693
00:57:13.509 --> 00:57:19.818
<v Christopher Hare>This authority does not extend or alter the jurisdiction of the courts beyond what is appropriate or reserved for the City Council determination.

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00:57:20.557 --> 00:57:29.114
<v Christopher Hare>PBOT is authorized to determine the continuing necessity, propriety, quantity, quality, and locality of the acquisitions and may reduce or abandon any authorized acquisition.

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00:57:29.885 --> 00:57:41.356
<v Christopher Hare>The ordinance further authorizes the creation of a subfund in the amount estimated to be the just compensation for each interest property, which, if necessary, shall be deposited with the clerk of the court where an action is commenced.

696
00:57:41.740 --> 00:57:47.307
<v Christopher Hare>The full impact statements on this includes financial and budgetary impacts and analysis, community impacts and community involvement.

697
00:57:47.773 --> 00:57:54.478
<v Christopher Hare>One individual provided verbal testimony in committee acknowledging the need for additional safety improvements at intersections along the boulevard.

698
00:57:54.831 --> 00:58:02.748
<v Christopher Hare>And expressed concern regarding a perceived discrepancy between intersections improved with enhanced safety features and those predominantly used by communities of color.

699
00:58:03.262 --> 00:58:05.798
<v Christopher Hare>No written testimony was submitted prior to committee action.

700
00:58:06.152 --> 00:58:07.373
<v Christopher Hare>And this concludes the committee staff summary.

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00:58:07.420 --> 00:58:07.548
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

702
00:58:07.597 --> 00:58:08.704
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much, Christopher.

703
00:58:09.668 --> 00:58:14.822
<v Jamie Dunphy>This came outta the Finance Committee and I was looking to Councilor Zimmerman who has stepped away from the desk.

704
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:19.447
<v Jamie Dunphy>So colleagues, I will open it up now to technical or clarifying questions.

705
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:27.275
<v Jamie Dunphy>Before we move to see if there's public testimony, is there anyone signed up for public testimony?

706
00:58:28.902 --> 00:58:29.532
<v Keelan McClymont>No one signed up.

707
00:58:29.791 --> 00:58:33.846
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, is there any discussion on this item?

708
00:58:35.427 --> 00:58:35.976
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

709
00:58:37.298 --> 00:58:39.010
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, uh, thank you, Council President.

710
00:58:39.139 --> 00:58:55.498
<v Mitch Green>Um, one of the areas of discussion during that committee meeting was whether or not, uh, it's appropriate to, um, Focus on enhancing and building out the ADA-compliant intersections when you do a job like this.

711
00:58:56.992 --> 00:59:13.170
<v Mitch Green>And I just— I had noted in that committee, and I want to raise for the full council, that when we are dealing with scarce resources and also a legally binding settlement to get so many ADA-compliant curb cuts done on a timeline— I think it's like 1,500 per year that we're supposed to do.

712
00:59:13.219 --> 00:59:13.813
<v Mitch Green>1,500 Curb cuts per year.

713
00:59:14.922 --> 00:59:16.581
<v Mitch Green>Then you have to make hay while the sun shines.

714
00:59:16.855 --> 00:59:20.590
<v Mitch Green>So you have to do these projects while you're doing other projects and kind of blend together that funding.

715
00:59:20.637 --> 00:59:26.347
<v Mitch Green>And so I just needed to make sure that the public understood that and that this body as a whole understands that as well.

716
00:59:26.751 --> 00:59:27.010
<v Angelita Morillo>Thanks.

717
00:59:27.802 --> 00:59:28.402
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

718
00:59:28.563 --> 00:59:29.405
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

719
00:59:31.523 --> 00:59:32.494
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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00:59:33.525 --> 00:59:44.724
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>One of the first things I heard about when I was seated as a councilor representing District 2 in this part of MLK were concerns about the dangers of some of these crossings.

721
00:59:44.983 --> 00:59:47.742
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I am so excited that we have this before us today.

722
00:59:48.230 --> 00:59:56.070
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to thank my constituent Keith Edwards for continuing to push for further improvements along this corridor.

723
00:59:56.134 --> 01:00:04.985
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>My understanding from staff is that this is phase 1 and we will see even more safety improvements for pedestrians coming forward in the future.

724
01:00:06.615 --> 01:00:09.869
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>This is It is a difficult stretch of road.

725
01:00:09.932 --> 01:00:13.628
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is a main thoroughfare and also heavily used by pedestrians.

726
01:00:13.773 --> 01:00:21.518
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>One of the crossings that will get an upgrade is a crossing I know well because one of my kids' close friends crosses it every day to get home from the school bus.

727
01:00:22.545 --> 01:00:27.318
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And it's an intersection where cars frequently run red lights and we need some improvements there.

728
01:00:27.945 --> 01:00:30.467
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I am excited to support this.

729
01:00:30.885 --> 01:00:32.717
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I am optimistic for my community.

730
01:00:32.813 --> 01:00:33.086
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

731
01:00:33.376 --> 01:00:41.175
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That this is step one and continue to appreciate the work of pedestrian safety improvements on corridors like this.

732
01:00:41.869 --> 01:00:42.079
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

733
01:00:42.659 --> 01:00:43.610
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

734
01:00:43.722 --> 01:00:44.543
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

735
01:00:46.523 --> 01:00:47.635
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

736
01:00:47.682 --> 01:00:52.579
<v Sameer Kanal>It's a D2 meeting today in many ways, going back and forth after parks on here.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm going to vote yes as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Safety is critically important in District 2 broadly and in this stretch of MLK.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I also wanted to acknowledge and thank Keith Edwards for bringing this up in committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And to praise the staff for going through a difficult meeting on that at PBOT.

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<v Sameer Kanal>We are in the top 5 streets for high crashes in D2.

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<v Sameer Kanal>There are programs that have been targeted to other districts that have not mentioned us, and no one from District 2 has so far been in the conversation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I am so grateful to my colleagues for putting a member of D2, it happens to be me, on the new Public Works Committee and looking forward to working with Chair Clark and the members of the committee on On issues related to D2 starting in a few weeks.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I also wanted to name that there have been a lot of conversations related to this area.

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<v Sameer Kanal>The Boise neighborhood has been bringing up some of the other neighborhood associations as well, improvement to crosswalks on Northeast 7th, on Irving, Skidmore.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that there's a lot of work that's been done on planning, but not necessarily on implementation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I'm looking forward to collaborating with folks in the administration administration, who I know share the desire to implement all of those, uh, types of improvements as well.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm looking forward to, um, to that conversation.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I did want to note that, uh, I, I would love it if in the future the administration could be consulting more with the district councilors when talking about specific projects in our districts.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think in particular around PBOT, but I think this applies just around everywhere.

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<v Sameer Kanal>So looking forward to continuing that conversation when we're on on the committee in a few weeks.

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<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Connell.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, this item will now move to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Keelan, can we please call items 11 and 12 together?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 11, document number 2026-073, amend Civil Rights Code related to sex sexual orientation and family status definitions and amend nondiscrimination clauses.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Amend Code Section 14A.50.110 and Code Chapter 23.01.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Item 12, document number 2026-074, declare the City of Portland will defend the rights of transgender people and all of the LGBTQIA2S+ community.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Keelan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are currently in debate on an open amendment to the resolution.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Before I move to colleagues in the queue, can I— can the clerk please recap what the amendment was that we are debating?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Do you have that?

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<v Keelan McClymont>Let me open it really quickly.

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<v Keelan McClymont>This is a proposed amendment from Councilor Koyama Lane amending Exhibit B, Section D, to add the following at the end.

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<v Keelan McClymont>I'll, I'll read the whole thing with the addition, the proposed addition.

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<v Keelan McClymont>Family or relationship structure means the actual or perceived involvement, or lack thereof, of consenting individuals in intimate personal relationships.

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<v Keelan McClymont>The proposed addition is intimate personal relationships include but are not limited to multi-partner or multi-parent families and relationships, stepfamilies, multi-generational households, diverse family structures, consensually non-monogamous relationships, and consensual sexual and/or intimate relationships, including asexual and aromantic relationships.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Keelan.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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01:04:38.811 --> 01:04:44.266
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would make a motion that we lay these items on the table to pick back up next week.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>May I speak to that motion?

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Colleagues, I am the councilor who asked us last week to move these items quickly.

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01:04:51.983 --> 01:04:53.668
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That was referred to previously today.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I am also the councilor whose team spent hours, literal hours, trying to find a path on these measures that would allow us to bring you a proposal with co-sponsorship from all of the members of this council who are out members of the LGBTQ2IA+ community, and I think that matters.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>One of our colleagues who is a co-sponsor of this measure and whose family is directly affected by some of its provisions is on a plane flying to meetings he is attending on behalf of the city.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yes, Yes, he, like me, was not notified of the last-minute amendment last— at the last meeting.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I'll have things to say about that amendment when we take it back up.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I was prepared to talk about it today until I was notified that Councilor Ryan could not be here and had requested that he be part of the continued conversation and vote.

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01:05:47.581 --> 01:05:53.007
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>My motion here today is not about that amendment nor any of the content before us.

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01:05:53.681 --> 01:05:59.221
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is simply about respect for our colleague who has in fact asked to be present.

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01:05:59.943 --> 01:06:02.961
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>He informed me that he will be back for next week's meeting.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>His chief of staff has confirmed that.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would ask us to allow our colleague the courtesy of postponing the next 2 items until next week so he can be part of the conversation and vote.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If it were any of the other queer councilors asking for this, If it was our other co-sponsor, Councilor Koyama Lane, I would be asking for this same courtesy.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It is simply not acceptable to me to deny him the right to be a part of this discussion.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:06:39.918 --> 01:06:40.822
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

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01:06:41.161 --> 01:06:43.128
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh wait, I'm sorry, was that a motion?

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01:06:43.773 --> 01:06:44.389
<v Jamie Dunphy>Did you make a motion?

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01:06:44.438 --> 01:06:45.153
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That was a motion.

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01:06:45.586 --> 01:06:46.253
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I would ask for a second.

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01:06:48.030 --> 01:06:52.637
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney has moved to table the conversation.

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01:06:52.702 --> 01:06:54.164
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is that the formal motion?

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01:06:54.211 --> 01:06:54.436
<v Jamie Dunphy>Sorry.

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01:06:54.773 --> 01:06:56.958
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The formal motion is to table the conversation.

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01:06:57.021 --> 01:07:01.099
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I believe I am allowed to request that it be until next week, though that would be at your discretion.

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01:07:01.293 --> 01:07:01.614
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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01:07:01.838 --> 01:07:02.063
<v Eric Zimmerman>Absolutely.

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01:07:02.255 --> 01:07:05.195
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Zimmerman has seconded the motion.

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01:07:05.949 --> 01:07:11.713
<v Rebecca Dobert>Council President, if it is laid on the table, it will be taken up at the next scheduled meeting, which I believe is tomorrow.

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01:07:11.826 --> 01:07:20.733
<v Rebecca Dobert>So It would be possible to then table it again, or you can have a motion to move to a time certain.

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01:07:21.248 --> 01:07:22.141
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Point of information.

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01:07:22.614 --> 01:07:27.438
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If tomorrow's meeting is a continuation of this meeting, wouldn't the next meeting be next Wednesday?

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01:07:30.626 --> 01:07:31.280
<v Loretta Smith>Let's—.

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01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:32.434
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It'll be our attorneys debating.

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01:07:34.871 --> 01:07:38.617
<v Rebecca Dobert>It appears if you lay it on the table, it will stay on the table until you take it back up.

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01:07:39.188 --> 01:07:41.534
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, is that acceptable?

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01:07:41.581 --> 01:07:43.800
<v Jamie Dunphy>All right, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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01:07:44.715 --> 01:07:48.869
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, uh, is this a debatable motion?

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01:07:49.539 --> 01:07:54.548
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is tabling a debatable motion, or do we move to a roll call?

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01:07:56.182 --> 01:07:58.092
<v Keelan McClymont>Is this a debatable motion?

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01:08:00.853 --> 01:08:03.329
<v Jamie Dunphy>We really need a professional parliamentarian.

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01:08:03.766 --> 01:08:05.775
<v Robert Taylor>Hi, uh, Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

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01:08:06.344 --> 01:08:08.626
<v Robert Taylor>A motion to lay on the table is not debatable.

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01:08:08.998 --> 01:08:13.106
<v Robert Taylor>You might— you may allow debate if there's no objection or you suspend the rules.

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01:08:15.041 --> 01:08:22.684
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, uh, colleagues in the queue, if anybody wants to get, uh, to the, to the motion— are you the motioner?

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01:08:23.310 --> 01:08:24.532
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor.

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01:08:24.627 --> 01:08:27.777
<v Candace Avalos>I just have a point of information just to clarify on the tabling thing.

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01:08:27.890 --> 01:08:39.548
<v Candace Avalos>So are we gonna— if this is approved, do we have to then make another motion at some other point to untable it, or are we saying that the council president can just put it on the next— no, it has to be another action.

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01:08:40.801 --> 01:08:41.819
<v Candace Avalos>Is that what we're saying?

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01:08:44.251 --> 01:08:45.015
<v Robert Taylor>That is correct.

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01:08:45.064 --> 01:08:58.462
<v Robert Taylor>If you— if the motion to lay it on the table carries today, the item will be on the table, and it can be taken off the table at any time in the future, but a motion to take from the table is necessary.

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01:08:59.524 --> 01:09:07.734
<v Candace Avalos>And that could just happen like what, we would go to the next, like say next week, and then somebody would at the top of the agenda just make a motion to untable it?

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01:09:07.814 --> 01:09:09.599
<v Candace Avalos>Is that the procedure of how that would happen?

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01:09:09.662 --> 01:09:09.887
<v Olivia Clark>Correct.

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01:09:10.305 --> 01:09:11.157
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thank you.

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01:09:11.654 --> 01:09:15.881
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Council President, I'm happy to amend my motion.

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01:09:15.976 --> 01:09:33.542
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>My colleague Councilor Kanal keeps a handy copy of Robert's Rules at the dais, and I would amend my motion to a motion to postpone this item to a time certain, or to a certain time rather, which is an official motion in Robert's Rules, and to postpone it to next Wednesday's meeting.

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01:09:33.751 --> 01:09:39.557
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, I don't know if that creates more comfort for you, Councilor Avalos, but hopefully that simplifies it.

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01:09:40.377 --> 01:09:48.686
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney has amended her, her motion and checked with Councilor Zimmerman to make sure that it's acceptable.

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01:09:48.814 --> 01:09:57.475
<v Robert Taylor>Councilor Zimmerman seconds that new for the record, sorry, everybody loves a pedant, so let me do, let me do my part here.

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01:09:58.944 --> 01:10:04.882
<v Robert Taylor>Uh, the, the motion to lay on the table is distinct from a motion to postpone to a date certain.

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01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:05.850
<v Robert Taylor>They're different motions.

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01:10:06.729 --> 01:10:13.238
<v Robert Taylor>So Pirtle-Guiney withdraws the motion to table, makes a new motion to postpone to a date certain.

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01:10:14.074 --> 01:10:16.819
<v Robert Taylor>That has been made by Pirtle-Guiney, seconded by Zimmerman.

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01:10:16.868 --> 01:10:16.983
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Second.

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01:10:17.252 --> 01:10:18.537
<v Jamie Dunphy>That's what I heard for sure.

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01:10:19.018 --> 01:10:19.259
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

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01:10:19.340 --> 01:10:19.708
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Exactly.

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01:10:19.917 --> 01:10:20.784
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Speak to that.

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01:10:21.170 --> 01:10:22.085
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane.

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01:10:22.694 --> 01:10:24.654
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Yeah, thank you, Council President.

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01:10:24.719 --> 01:10:33.020
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I do appreciate wanting to do what we can to make sure that as many councilors who are invested in this are here.

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01:10:33.710 --> 01:10:42.476
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I do just want to point out that we do have members of the public here and many people watching, people who have taken time off work, who have gotten childcare for their kids.

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01:10:44.425 --> 01:10:48.859
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I am prepared to continue this discussion.

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01:10:49.150 --> 01:10:56.675
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I strongly believe all families deserve civil rights, nondiscrimination protections, and that can't wait.

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01:10:58.511 --> 01:10:59.527
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

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01:11:00.949 --> 01:11:03.115
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos, are you in the queue to the motion or to the underlying?

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01:11:05.769 --> 01:11:06.125
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

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01:11:06.966 --> 01:11:09.685
<v Candace Avalos>I guess I just have a follow-up question maybe.

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01:11:09.815 --> 01:11:11.935
<v Candace Avalos>So am I understanding that the reason for the motion is that the ordinance is not clear enough?

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01:11:12.273 --> 01:11:17.524
<v Candace Avalos>This action is because Councilor Ryan just wants to be here to vote for it.

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01:11:17.587 --> 01:11:22.215
<v Candace Avalos>Is there any other, like, is it to be here to vote for it for X reason?

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01:11:22.489 --> 01:11:32.333
<v Candace Avalos>Or like, I just wanna understand the intent because, you know, people miss meetings all the time and, you know, I think it sounded to me like people were pretty supportive of this legislation.

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01:11:33.189 --> 01:11:34.851
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm just trying to understand why.

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01:11:36.500 --> 01:11:38.293
<v Candace Avalos>I don't know if that's for the, maybe the sponsor of the motion.

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01:11:38.375 --> 01:11:39.810
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>President, would you like me to speak to that?

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01:11:39.876 --> 01:11:39.957
<v Sameer Kanal>Please.

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01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:49.502
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Ryan made a request to me and potentially some of the other co-sponsors.

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01:11:49.551 --> 01:11:52.746
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm not sure that he'd be able to be here for this vote and debate.

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01:11:53.858 --> 01:12:05.783
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>He was disappointed that we were not able to move forward with the vote on the resolution last week and continue the progress here and wanted to be a part of that.

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01:12:06.347 --> 01:12:07.863
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't know what his motivation was.

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01:12:07.912 --> 01:12:08.588
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think he's just disappointed.

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01:12:09.465 --> 01:12:16.573
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just would offer that courtesy, like I said, to any of our colleagues if I were co-sponsoring a motion with them and they made that request to me.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I will affirm I did similarly receive that request from Councilor Ryan's office that there was an interest, not a procedural change, but rather just the interest in having the councilor be here.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Maria, are you here to the underlying motion or to the motion or to the no, I appreciate the motion.

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01:12:43.423 --> 01:12:46.796
<v Angelita Morillo>I understand that he would want to be here for a vote.

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01:12:48.029 --> 01:12:58.743
<v Angelita Morillo>I will say, when I have been out for matters that are profoundly important to me on a personal level, I log into the Zoom because the city business doesn't halt because we are unable to attend.

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01:12:58.890 --> 01:12:59.760
<v Angelita Morillo>Unfortunately, the public is not able to attend.

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01:12:59.824 --> 01:13:00.104
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

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01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:04.109
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Novick has been waiting for this for quite a few sessions.

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01:13:04.157 --> 01:13:05.006
<v Angelita Morillo>They have testified.

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01:13:05.583 --> 01:13:13.530
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think just to, like, name the elephant in the room, I think that what's really happening is there are different opinions on the underlying amendment.

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01:13:13.996 --> 01:13:22.585
<v Angelita Morillo>And most of our communities are not a monolith, including the LGBTQ community that is voted and elected on this dais, right?

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01:13:23.002 --> 01:13:34.543
<v Angelita Morillo>So sometimes there are differences in opinion that our policy I think people here all have that same intent.

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01:13:35.411 --> 01:13:39.570
<v Angelita Morillo>I have zero questions about the motivations of my colleagues with that regard.

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01:13:41.891 --> 01:13:55.335
<v Angelita Morillo>And I think that this is a really important discussion to have because I— the amendment that we were discussing before that enumerates certain additional families that this would apply to.

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01:13:55.784 --> 01:14:07.056
<v Angelita Morillo>I think one, it applies a lot to the queer community because of the way that we, you know, our community ends up having different types of relationships, and it protects for housing and zoning things.

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01:14:07.153 --> 01:14:08.677
<v Angelita Morillo>So I would love for us to have that discussion.

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01:14:09.673 --> 01:14:17.237
<v Angelita Morillo>I think it matters a lot, and I think that there are philosophical policy reasons for why there's discussion on the amendment.

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01:14:17.573 --> 01:14:20.653
<v Angelita Morillo>So I value Councilor Ryan.

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01:14:20.701 --> 01:14:24.097
<v Angelita Morillo>He's done work for decades for the LGBTQ community.

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01:14:24.289 --> 01:14:42.573
<v Angelita Morillo>I mean, it's— we can't really compare that type of work before, but I'm also disappointed for our queer community that came and testified and told us what they need, and that this is being halted over one amendment when let's just have the discussion, vote the amendment up or down, call it a day, move the policy forward.

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01:14:42.622 --> 01:14:44.577
<v Angelita Morillo>You know, that's the process of legislating.

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01:14:44.625 --> 01:14:44.849
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I would like to move forward with it if possible, but I understand the feelings around it.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thanks.

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01:14:51.998 --> 01:14:53.121
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

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01:14:53.442 --> 01:14:54.067
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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<v Sameer Kanal>My understanding is that in the event that we postpone this item without voting on the amendment, that should we come back to it in a week and then vote on the amendment, it would require a subsequent reading after that.

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01:15:07.340 --> 01:15:10.449
<v Sameer Kanal>So we'd actually be delaying it for 2 weeks in that scenario.

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01:15:11.091 --> 01:15:13.194
<v Sameer Kanal>Is that— can I get a clarification on that?

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01:15:14.078 --> 01:15:16.085
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm seeing the thumbs up from attorneys in the back.

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01:15:16.149 --> 01:15:16.533
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:15:16.631 --> 01:15:24.770
<v Sameer Kanal>So I'm uncomfortable with that because that would mean 4 meetings going to this item, which we all thought was a pretty straightforward item, I think, coming into this.

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01:15:25.301 --> 01:15:27.596
<v Sameer Kanal>I understand that the amendment has complicated it.

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01:15:28.175 --> 01:15:34.886
<v Sameer Kanal>I would be open to having the conversation around doing a courtesy for a colleague, for sure.

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01:15:35.255 --> 01:15:36.813
<v Sameer Kanal>I definitely want to take a vote on the amendment.

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01:15:36.860 --> 01:15:36.957
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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01:15:37.167 --> 01:15:37.587
<v Sameer Kanal>Today though.

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01:15:38.300 --> 01:15:45.603
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, and I think that to me is, uh, a tension point that I think we should resolve, um, and then know what we're getting into next week.

905
01:15:45.908 --> 01:15:46.167
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

906
01:15:46.971 --> 01:15:47.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

907
01:15:47.777 --> 01:15:48.387
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

908
01:15:50.979 --> 01:15:51.301
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

909
01:15:53.636 --> 01:15:59.865
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, I think the delay is for me less than about the amendment that was proposed.

910
01:16:00.819 --> 01:16:09.503
<v Eric Zimmerman>It is— I think that at times symbolism and representation matters, and Dan Ryan is one of those symbols.

911
01:16:11.970 --> 01:16:56.220
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm not going to share anything that he has not shared very publicly with everybody, but Dan Ryan represents a generation of gay men who generally are not here, and that matters to me as a 41-year-old gay man who is largely here because of I would ask you, all of you, to— if you don't understand our reason to ask for the delay, then be deferential to the delay.

912
01:16:56.470 --> 01:17:01.680
<v Eric Zimmerman>Because when I don't understand a thing about another minority in our community, I'm not going to speak on behalf of that minority.

913
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:06.994
<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor I try to be deferential to that, even if I don't understand.

914
01:17:07.655 --> 01:17:22.329
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I am just simply asking for the delay for those reasons, that Alana Pirtle-Guiney and I, an out lesbian and an out gay man who serve on this council, are asking for that.

915
01:17:22.458 --> 01:17:25.341
<v Eric Zimmerman>Dan Ryan, an out gay man, is asking for that.

916
01:17:26.887 --> 01:17:38.625
<v Eric Zimmerman>I hope that If it doesn't quite make sense to you, or if it causes you some pause, that you will at least lean on the side of deferential to those who are making the ask.

917
01:17:40.005 --> 01:17:41.498
<v Eric Zimmerman>Symbolism matters.

918
01:17:42.719 --> 01:17:46.556
<v Eric Zimmerman>Represent— representation matters.

919
01:17:47.375 --> 01:17:48.627
<v Jamie Dunphy>All forms of families matter.

920
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:52.337
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please, this is not an opportunity for disruptions.

921
01:17:52.448 --> 01:17:52.753
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

922
01:17:54.088 --> 01:18:05.314
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so as one of the authors of this resolution, it has been a privilege to write it with my other out colleagues.

923
01:18:06.475 --> 01:18:19.403
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I would like to think about how we would respond if this was about another group in our community, and if a member of our, of our dais was a part of that community, if we would want to.

924
01:18:20.153 --> 01:18:23.890
<v Eric Zimmerman>Take action without them there when they specifically asked to be a part of it.

925
01:18:23.987 --> 01:18:25.445
<v Eric Zimmerman>So that's just a request for me.

926
01:18:26.265 --> 01:18:34.958
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'll just note that the debate on the amendment, just in our form of government, let's remember that an absence is the same as a no, right?

927
01:18:35.006 --> 01:18:40.043
<v Eric Zimmerman>It doesn't, it doesn't change anything in terms of— we don't know where he'll be on, on any of that.

928
01:18:40.909 --> 01:18:46.573
<v Eric Zimmerman>But this is about having Dan here at this dais to represent a part of this population.

929
01:18:46.621 --> 01:18:46.716
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

930
01:18:49.747 --> 01:18:53.939
<v Candace Avalos>Point of information again, sorry.

931
01:18:54.524 --> 01:18:58.340
<v Candace Avalos>If we pass the amendment today, then it has to go for another reading.

932
01:18:58.487 --> 01:19:02.166
<v Candace Avalos>If we don't pass the amendment, then do we just go right into voting for the ordinance today?

933
01:19:03.362 --> 01:19:03.618
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

934
01:19:03.925 --> 01:19:04.664
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, thanks.

935
01:19:06.402 --> 01:19:07.189
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

936
01:19:09.634 --> 01:19:11.001
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

937
01:19:12.372 --> 01:19:25.502
<v Loretta Smith>I just want to remind folks that Council President moved to postpone, uh, the Slow the Flow to Homelessness last week, um, in my opinion, for no good reason.

938
01:19:27.779 --> 01:19:33.627
<v Loretta Smith>And if I'm comparing the two, I think this is a great reason to postpone.

939
01:19:35.280 --> 01:19:35.670
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

940
01:19:37.211 --> 01:19:38.717
<v Loretta Smith>You all can't have it both ways.

941
01:19:40.414 --> 01:19:42.719
<v Loretta Smith>When you don't want something to pass, you want to postpone it.

942
01:19:42.814 --> 01:19:46.698
<v Loretta Smith>When you don't— when you want to steamroll over someone, you don't give them a postponement.

943
01:19:47.422 --> 01:19:48.534
<v Loretta Smith>I mean, it's just ridiculous.

944
01:19:50.739 --> 01:19:58.166
<v Loretta Smith>You all know that Councilor Ryan was very instrumental in putting this together.

945
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:24.627
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I wish that we could have had the same consideration, Councilor Koyama Lane, For the constituents who came here last week, which there were 25, and more than half of them will probably not ever come back to this body again because of the violence that took place and the disruption that took place in this council chambers.

946
01:20:26.345 --> 01:20:36.932
<v Loretta Smith>So I would ask you all to use the same kind of compassion that you used last week.

947
01:20:37.094 --> 01:20:45.457
<v Loretta Smith>Well, the reason was because you all didn't understand the memo that city administrator had put out on February 6th.

948
01:20:46.548 --> 01:20:47.577
<v Loretta Smith>But this is an easy one.

949
01:20:47.752 --> 01:20:55.122
<v Loretta Smith>This is something that we can do for our colleague, and he asked you to do that.

950
01:20:55.716 --> 01:20:58.140
<v Loretta Smith>No one asked us to postpone last week.

951
01:20:58.685 --> 01:20:59.810
<v Loretta Smith>We did that just because.

952
01:20:59.873 --> 01:21:26.506
<v Loretta Smith>Councilwoman So for me, I would urge my colleagues to either vote for this, or if we— if there's some way that we can hear the testimony that we have in the room and not vote on it, if there's a way to do that, because I do believe that if people came here today and they made it their business to come here to testify, we should at least hear those voices but not take a vote.

953
01:21:26.650 --> 01:21:28.318
<v Loretta Smith>Is there a way to do that, Council President?

954
01:21:28.365 --> 01:21:34.949
<v Jamie Dunphy>Council President, uh, no, there is not at this time.

955
01:21:35.095 --> 01:21:37.126
<v Jamie Dunphy>Testimony is currently closed on the item.

956
01:21:37.850 --> 01:21:43.938
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, so there was some, there was some concern I heard that people are here to testify.

957
01:21:44.506 --> 01:21:45.837
<v Loretta Smith>So who's here to testify?

958
01:21:47.863 --> 01:21:49.560
<v Loretta Smith>Okay, okay.

959
01:21:49.801 --> 01:21:56.041
<v Loretta Smith>Again, I urge all of my colleagues to, um, vote to postpone this until next Thank you.

960
01:21:56.185 --> 01:21:57.708
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, thank you, Councilor Smith.

961
01:21:58.048 --> 01:22:01.029
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, I would like to clarify, Councilor Avalos, I gave you incorrect information.

962
01:22:01.850 --> 01:22:04.641
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are technically in a continuation of the first reading.

963
01:22:04.787 --> 01:22:06.095
<v Jamie Dunphy>We are not at a second reading.

964
01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:09.599
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so, uh, and the amendment is to the resolution.

965
01:22:10.641 --> 01:22:15.600
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so, uh, the ordinance will still— oh, I'm backwards on that.

966
01:22:15.666 --> 01:22:18.404
<v Jamie Dunphy>But regardless, we are still in the first reading of the ordinance.

967
01:22:18.963 --> 01:22:21.787
<v Candace Avalos>In other words, no matter what, we're not voting on it today.

968
01:22:21.890 --> 01:22:27.268
<v Jamie Dunphy>The resolution could be voted on today, but the ordinance will be voted on in a future council session.

969
01:22:27.476 --> 01:22:31.490
<v Candace Avalos>So either way, Councilor Ryan would be able to vote on it because we can't take any action today.

970
01:22:31.555 --> 01:22:32.438
<v Candace Avalos>That's what I'm trying to get at.

971
01:22:32.518 --> 01:22:33.161
<v Jamie Dunphy>On the ordinance.

972
01:22:33.721 --> 01:22:33.787
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Right.

973
01:22:33.850 --> 01:22:34.043
<v Keelan McClymont>Yes.

974
01:22:34.300 --> 01:22:35.505
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, sounds good.

975
01:22:36.612 --> 01:22:40.996
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor— yes, uh, Councilor Koyama Lane.

976
01:22:41.573 --> 01:22:55.221
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Oh, I was just sharing, I had shared with Council President that as a courtesy, I am— my team is open to postponing the resolution to allow Councilor Ryan to vote.

977
01:22:55.627 --> 01:22:55.838
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

978
01:22:56.779 --> 01:22:57.925
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

979
01:23:01.733 --> 01:23:04.283
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, I really appreciate this discussion.

980
01:23:04.461 --> 01:23:10.211
<v Angelita Morillo>And if we all want to give out our credentials for the public, I'm bisexual.

981
01:23:10.292 --> 01:23:12.578
<v Angelita Morillo>So that's my standing in getting to talk about this, I guess.

982
01:23:14.539 --> 01:23:23.582
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that when we are legislating for our community, though, representation absent of action is very frustrating to the public.

983
01:23:24.220 --> 01:23:42.217
<v Angelita Morillo>And so I, knowing that Councilor Ryan will be able to vote for the final product here, I would like for us to just have the discussion about the amendment because it will now be going to around 3 to 4 sessions listening to this.

984
01:23:43.041 --> 01:23:53.484
<v Angelita Morillo>And I don't think that one amendment is not comparable to an entire policy change that— this is one amendment.

985
01:23:53.613 --> 01:23:54.064
<v Angelita Morillo>We can vote.

986
01:23:54.194 --> 01:23:54.872
<v Angelita Morillo>Maybe it'll fail.

987
01:23:55.162 --> 01:23:56.050
<v Angelita Morillo>Maybe it'll succeed.

988
01:23:56.819 --> 01:23:58.162
<v Angelita Morillo>Maybe the policy will stay intact.

989
01:23:58.875 --> 01:24:00.850
<v Angelita Morillo>But I think that we just have to have the discussion.

990
01:24:00.979 --> 01:24:05.399
<v Angelita Morillo>And I don't understand, are we just going to continue having more discussions behind the scenes?

991
01:24:06.765 --> 01:24:10.824
<v Angelita Morillo>We're going to have to air out the differences about the amendment eventually.

992
01:24:12.265 --> 01:24:16.842
<v Angelita Morillo>And it sounds like Councilor Ryan will be able to vote on this, and maybe he won't support it, maybe he will.

993
01:24:17.296 --> 01:24:17.863
<v Angelita Morillo>That's up to him.

994
01:24:18.251 --> 01:24:19.689
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm not going to make that decision for him.

995
01:24:20.368 --> 01:24:25.914
<v Angelita Morillo>But this continuous— this should be not that hard, honestly.

996
01:24:26.578 --> 01:24:32.654
<v Angelita Morillo>And the amendment, in my eyes, it does not create additional harm.

997
01:24:33.012 --> 01:24:34.088
<v Angelita Morillo>It does enumerate more specifics.

998
01:24:34.137 --> 01:24:34.463
<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Loretta Smith.

999
01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:40.186
<v Angelita Morillo>So it's not like we're talking about something that is going to create massive harm for this community.

1000
01:24:40.765 --> 01:24:45.921
<v Angelita Morillo>The controversy is not that high compared to all of the other stuff that we're actually dealing with as a city.

1001
01:24:46.885 --> 01:24:49.599
<v Angelita Morillo>So I hope that we can just move forward with this discussion today.

1002
01:24:50.386 --> 01:25:00.216
<v Angelita Morillo>And I will remind my colleagues that as the only immigrant on this council, there were plenty of media news things that I was left out of, decision-making discussions that I was left out of.

1003
01:25:00.264 --> 01:25:00.585
<v Candace Avalos>Councilmember Koyama Lane.

1004
01:25:01.244 --> 01:25:09.884
<v Angelita Morillo>So when it comes to identity representation and the things that we do, sometimes you don't get a seat at the table and you do have to fight for that.

1005
01:25:11.094 --> 01:25:19.228
<v Angelita Morillo>But also to say that that is like a top priority for everybody up here, I think is a bit disingenuous because sometimes we just have to act.

1006
01:25:19.988 --> 01:25:22.832
<v Angelita Morillo>So this has been worked on for a long time.

1007
01:25:23.106 --> 01:25:24.755
<v Angelita Morillo>The discussion is really about one amendment.

1008
01:25:24.804 --> 01:25:25.869
<v Angelita Morillo>That's really what this is about.

1009
01:25:27.737 --> 01:25:30.306
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

1010
01:25:30.627 --> 01:25:31.046
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Point of order.

1011
01:25:31.109 --> 01:25:36.603
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'd just like to reiterate that we are in debate right now over whether or not to postpone, um, not over the amendments.

1012
01:25:36.731 --> 01:25:41.677
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And the reason for the request for postponement has nothing to do with the amendments or any content thereof.

1013
01:25:42.176 --> 01:25:43.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1014
01:25:43.797 --> 01:25:45.292
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

1015
01:25:46.351 --> 01:25:47.171
<v Mitch Green>Thank you, Council President.

1016
01:25:47.234 --> 01:25:49.661
<v Mitch Green>And this is to the matter of postponement.

1017
01:25:50.448 --> 01:25:52.454
<v Mitch Green>I think I'd just like to follow up a little bit.

1018
01:25:53.113 --> 01:26:05.600
<v Mitch Green>On what Councilor Murillo has teased out, which is when we talk about making sure that those who are most impacted on an issue are in the room, we have not applied that standard consistently at this city.

1019
01:26:06.659 --> 01:26:20.770
<v Mitch Green>There were notably at least 2 press conferences in response to the federal action where the decision was deliberately made to not have certain councilors at the front of the mic because that might feel unsafe for white people, frankly.

1020
01:26:21.590 --> 01:26:25.606
<v Mitch Green>And that's the decision that this body has made behind the scenes, not in the public.

1021
01:26:25.863 --> 01:26:27.599
<v Mitch Green>And so that's not a consistent application.

1022
01:26:29.698 --> 01:26:40.426
<v Mitch Green>Um, I'll also note that, um, when we talk about postponing slow the inflow, my decision to postpone that is— was based upon the— it's not because I didn't understand the city administrator's memo.

1023
01:26:40.490 --> 01:26:41.601
<v Mitch Green>I understand that very clearly.

1024
01:26:42.181 --> 01:26:45.284
<v Mitch Green>I think it's we had gotten ourselves into a situation of very sloppy policymaking.

1025
01:26:45.336 --> 01:26:45.471
<v Sameer Kanal>Yeah.

1026
01:26:45.815 --> 01:26:48.783
<v Mitch Green>Where we were just handing out sort of earmarks to whoever.

1027
01:26:49.423 --> 01:26:54.027
<v Mitch Green>And those may be good allocations to good entities, but that's not good policymaking.

1028
01:26:54.716 --> 01:26:57.395
<v Mitch Green>You budget to programs, not to people, not to entities.

1029
01:26:57.939 --> 01:27:01.275
<v Mitch Green>And so that sort of analogy is just not consistent, frankly.

1030
01:27:01.645 --> 01:27:11.266
<v Mitch Green>So I think in this, you know, I think there's a reasonable argument to be made about whether it's appropriate to postpone this, but not sort of a whataboutism on the slow the inflow.

1031
01:27:11.331 --> 01:27:11.458
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1032
01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:15.244
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1033
01:27:15.989 --> 01:27:18.707
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith— I'm sorry, Councilor Avalos, are you in the—.

1034
01:27:20.293 --> 01:27:23.481
<v Candace Avalos>No, I guess I'm like, I'm still in the queue to— for the next one.

1035
01:27:23.530 --> 01:27:24.340
<v Candace Avalos>Should I stay in the queue?

1036
01:27:24.404 --> 01:27:25.149
<v Candace Avalos>Should I get out of it?

1037
01:27:25.246 --> 01:27:26.006
<v Candace Avalos>I'm confused.

1038
01:27:26.103 --> 01:27:29.338
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, for now, folks, help me with the management of that would be great.

1039
01:27:29.841 --> 01:27:30.229
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1040
01:27:30.488 --> 01:27:30.925
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1041
01:27:31.440 --> 01:27:43.832
<v Loretta Smith>Yes, considering that, um, Councilor Ryan is traveling internationally, he can't get on a, uh, a Zoom call right now and be able to have this conversation in a meaningful way.

1042
01:27:44.667 --> 01:27:47.960
<v Loretta Smith>And I think that it is so important and critical to have his voice.

1043
01:27:48.682 --> 01:28:06.908
<v Loretta Smith>I don't want to marginalize the impact of Councilor Ryan on this committee, but I do also— I look at things that we do, and when we didn't do the slow the inflow last week, we prevented folks who are currently being evicted from housing right now.

1044
01:28:07.904 --> 01:28:13.117
<v Loretta Smith>If we could have voted for that last week, we would have been able to help hundreds of people.

1045
01:28:13.775 --> 01:28:16.979
<v Loretta Smith>And we can legislate in any way that we want to, Councilor Green.

1046
01:28:17.574 --> 01:28:22.856
<v Loretta Smith>We can legislate to programs, we can legislate to individual programs.

1047
01:28:23.211 --> 01:28:24.176
<v Loretta Smith>That's not the point.

1048
01:28:24.498 --> 01:28:35.716
<v Loretta Smith>The point is, we— he has very— he was very honest in his request and sincere.

1049
01:28:36.585 --> 01:28:38.887
<v Loretta Smith>And you all don't take sincerity very well.

1050
01:28:40.587 --> 01:28:44.305
<v Loretta Smith>And I think you need to use it in every situation.

1051
01:28:45.149 --> 01:28:55.789
<v Loretta Smith>While you may have understood the, the city administrator's, uh, memo, but the complaint was some didn't, and that's why they voted to postpone.

1052
01:28:56.228 --> 01:29:02.729
<v Loretta Smith>And so I'm just asking you, Councilor Green, Could you consider someone else other than yourself?

1053
01:29:03.661 --> 01:29:06.743
<v Loretta Smith>Consider that Councilor Ryan needs to sit here.

1054
01:29:06.806 --> 01:29:08.363
<v Loretta Smith>He needs to have that conversation.

1055
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:10.885
<v Loretta Smith>You are not a part of that.

1056
01:29:11.206 --> 01:29:13.918
<v Loretta Smith>I don't know, I, I shouldn't even say that.

1057
01:29:14.497 --> 01:29:25.782
<v Loretta Smith>I don't know if you're not a part of that community or not, but, um, we know that he is out and he, he does want to participate, so you should give him that opportunity.

1058
01:29:25.831 --> 01:29:25.990
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1059
01:29:26.457 --> 01:29:32.721
<v Loretta Smith>You always want people to— you call me all the time and ask me to support your stuff and do your stuff, but you never want to do nothing for nobody else.

1060
01:29:32.802 --> 01:29:33.332
<v Jamie Dunphy>Point of order.

1061
01:29:34.184 --> 01:29:35.404
<v Loretta Smith>So thank you.

1062
01:29:35.951 --> 01:29:48.884
<v Sameer Kanal>City Code 3.02.040, Section B, President and Vice President Duties, Section 1: The president is the presiding officer and will ensure councilors confine themselves to the question under debate and refrain from personal criticism.

1063
01:29:49.109 --> 01:29:51.453
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, thank you, uh, Councilor Kanal.

1064
01:29:51.759 --> 01:29:53.092
<v Loretta Smith>I appreciate you jumping in.

1065
01:29:54.452 --> 01:29:55.194
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Knoll.

1066
01:29:55.679 --> 01:30:01.619
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I will remind us that we are currently debating the merits of a motion to postpone.

1067
01:30:02.121 --> 01:30:07.018
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please, let's keep it away from personal attacks or implications of our colleagues.

1068
01:30:07.774 --> 01:30:08.645
<v Candace Avalos>Contacts, true.

1069
01:30:08.725 --> 01:30:09.434
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Knoll.

1070
01:30:11.850 --> 01:30:26.204
<v Sameer Kanal>So we did this thing earlier today and last week where we adopted a resolution about committees and then we Did the committee of the whole authorizing ordinance this week, because an ordinance takes 2 votes or 2 meetings and a resolution takes one.

1071
01:30:26.286 --> 01:30:37.605
<v Sameer Kanal>So for that reason, I'm very comfortable postponing the resolution, not only as a courtesy, but actually for many of the reasons that both Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and Councilor Zimmerman have said, and others about Councilor Ryan as well.

1072
01:30:38.391 --> 01:30:44.805
<v Sameer Kanal>With relation to the ordinance, as has been pointed out, it would need to get a second reading anyway.

1073
01:30:45.222 --> 01:30:47.179
<v Sameer Kanal>So this is really about do we vote on the amendment or not?

1074
01:30:47.226 --> 01:30:47.338
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1075
01:30:47.922 --> 01:30:50.073
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think it's appropriate to say we should.

1076
01:30:50.122 --> 01:30:52.467
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's where I'm at on this particular subject.

1077
01:30:53.060 --> 01:31:08.137
<v Sameer Kanal>I will point out that when 2 councilors of color have attempted to walk in after their name has been called, but while the vote has still been going on, and asked to have their vote counted, that requires unanimous consent.

1078
01:31:09.913 --> 01:31:13.175
<v Sameer Kanal>And that consent was denied by one councilor in both cases.

1079
01:31:13.618 --> 01:31:14.197
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

1080
01:31:14.358 --> 01:31:14.921
<v Loretta Smith>Point of order.

1081
01:31:15.002 --> 01:31:15.243
<v Mitch Green>Is that—.

1082
01:31:15.243 --> 01:31:16.097
<v Loretta Smith>Does it have anything to do with—.

1083
01:31:16.113 --> 01:31:21.829
<v Sameer Kanal>When I don't understand a thing about another minority in our community, I try to be deferential to that, even if I don't actually—.

1084
01:31:21.829 --> 01:31:23.212
<v Olivia Clark>We're not talking about that right now.

1085
01:31:23.373 --> 01:31:23.791
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1086
01:31:27.145 --> 01:31:32.649
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues.

1087
01:31:35.619 --> 01:31:35.752
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1088
01:31:37.639 --> 01:31:38.764
<v Jamie Dunphy>I don't know what is happening.

1089
01:31:41.070 --> 01:31:45.823
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane, are you due to the debate?

1090
01:31:47.011 --> 01:31:47.317
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I was.

1091
01:31:47.429 --> 01:31:54.783
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Knoll said what I was saying, which is basically in deference to Councilor Ryan and respecting his advocacy over the years.

1092
01:31:55.939 --> 01:32:04.850
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I would love to ask Councilor Pirtle-Guiney and Councilor Ryan if they would be willing to withdraw the motion and present a motion to postpone the resolution to next week so he can vote.

1093
01:32:05.400 --> 01:32:08.145
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I'd like to move forward with discussion of the ordinance.

1094
01:32:08.341 --> 01:32:15.024
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>If we're able to discuss and vote on the amendment today, complete the first reading, Councilor Ryan, we'll also be able to vote on the ordinance at the same time.

1095
01:32:23.717 --> 01:32:29.546
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think if my colleagues want to move in that direction, they could motion to divide the question.

1096
01:32:31.738 --> 01:32:37.078
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm going to keep it on the table as it stands, but would expect that we might hear that.

1097
01:32:41.550 --> 01:32:43.176
<v Angelita Morillo>I move to divide the question.

1098
01:32:44.909 --> 01:32:47.820
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Murillo has moved to divide the question.

1099
01:32:47.935 --> 01:32:50.279
<v Jamie Dunphy>That is, the question is divided.

1100
01:32:51.185 --> 01:32:55.759
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney, how would you like to take up the now divided question?

1101
01:32:56.573 --> 01:32:58.582
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Let's take up the resolution first.

1102
01:32:58.663 --> 01:33:06.126
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, we're going to look— I'm going to pause to just make sure that Robert isn't freaking out.

1103
01:33:10.220 --> 01:33:12.952
<v Jamie Dunphy>You guys are— we're having a lot of fun with Robert's rules today.

1104
01:33:14.036 --> 01:33:14.698
<v Olivia Clark>Good practice.

1105
01:33:14.844 --> 01:33:16.170
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, that's a— that's a—.

1106
01:33:17.027 --> 01:33:17.463
<v Olivia Clark>Yeah.

1107
01:33:19.211 --> 01:33:21.235
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, the question has been divided.

1108
01:33:21.304 --> 01:33:27.420
<v Jamie Dunphy>Then the roll call vote on the motion to postpone the resolution first.

1109
01:33:28.525 --> 01:33:30.319
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please call the roll.

1110
01:33:31.090 --> 01:33:31.314
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos.

1111
01:33:31.649 --> 01:33:31.810
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1112
01:33:32.771 --> 01:33:32.997
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith.

1113
01:33:33.734 --> 01:33:33.974
<v Loretta Smith>No.

1114
01:33:35.015 --> 01:33:35.319
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal.

1115
01:33:36.234 --> 01:33:37.306
<v Sameer Kanal>On the resolution, aye.

1116
01:33:38.556 --> 01:33:39.054
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney.

1117
01:33:39.422 --> 01:33:39.470
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

1118
01:33:40.463 --> 01:33:40.689
<v Keelan McClymont>Ryan.

1119
01:33:41.746 --> 01:33:42.323
<v Keelan McClymont>Oh, sorry.

1120
01:33:42.403 --> 01:33:42.724
<v Candace Avalos>Gosh.

1121
01:33:43.444 --> 01:33:43.877
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane.

1122
01:33:44.390 --> 01:33:44.438
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1123
01:33:45.287 --> 01:33:45.671
<v Keelan McClymont>Murillo.

1124
01:33:45.993 --> 01:33:46.041
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1125
01:33:47.211 --> 01:33:47.515
<v Keelan McClymont>Novick.

1126
01:33:48.409 --> 01:33:48.457
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

1127
01:33:49.332 --> 01:33:50.514
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark?

1128
01:33:53.024 --> 01:33:53.769
<v Keelan McClymont>Absent.

1129
01:33:54.497 --> 01:33:54.707
<v Angelita Morillo>Green?

1130
01:33:55.858 --> 01:33:56.019
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1131
01:33:57.380 --> 01:33:57.940
<v Loretta Smith>Kind always work.

1132
01:33:59.229 --> 01:33:59.609
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1133
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.703
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

1134
01:34:04.123 --> 01:34:04.286
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

1135
01:34:04.948 --> 01:34:05.238
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1136
01:34:05.577 --> 01:34:05.738
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1137
01:34:06.805 --> 01:34:18.595
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, the motion to divide and take up the resolution— no, no, sorry, the motion to take up the resolution and postpone it Is approved with 9 yes votes, 1 no, and 2 absent.

1138
01:34:19.613 --> 01:34:22.072
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we will bring that back next week.

1139
01:34:22.686 --> 01:34:26.489
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please call the roll on the motion to postpone the ordinance?

1140
01:34:33.233 --> 01:34:34.694
<v Keelan McClymont>Sorry, just a moment.

1141
01:34:38.189 --> 01:34:40.283
<v Jamie Dunphy>Again, colleagues, this is a motion to postpone the ordinance.

1142
01:34:40.716 --> 01:34:41.288
<v Jamie Dunphy>To next week.

1143
01:34:42.256 --> 01:34:43.796
<v Jamie Dunphy>A yes vote means you want to postpone.

1144
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:46.313
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

1145
01:34:49.307 --> 01:34:49.582
<v Loretta Smith>Yes.

1146
01:34:51.332 --> 01:34:51.560
<v Olivia Clark>No.

1147
01:34:53.916 --> 01:34:53.965
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

1148
01:34:57.238 --> 01:34:57.399
<v Loretta Smith>No.

1149
01:35:00.630 --> 01:35:00.854
<v Keelan McClymont>No.

1150
01:35:02.060 --> 01:35:02.109
<v Steve Novick>Aye.

1151
01:35:04.632 --> 01:35:06.061
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark is absent.

1152
01:35:06.231 --> 01:35:06.453
<v Keelan McClymont>Green.

1153
01:35:07.804 --> 01:35:07.900
<v Angelita Morillo>No.

1154
01:35:08.581 --> 01:35:08.953
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1155
01:35:09.292 --> 01:35:09.583
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yes.

1156
01:35:10.604 --> 01:35:10.944
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1157
01:35:11.396 --> 01:35:11.525
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yes.

1158
01:35:13.501 --> 01:35:21.863
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, the motion to postpone the ordinance fails with 5 yes votes, 5 no votes, and 2 absent.

1159
01:35:22.123 --> 01:35:26.470
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, the resolution will be heard next week.

1160
01:35:27.685 --> 01:35:33.034
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, we are now to the underlying amendment that is on the table to the ordinance.

1161
01:35:34.822 --> 01:35:39.779
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Council President.

1162
01:35:40.591 --> 01:35:55.296
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>As a long-term, uh, longtime public school teacher, as a parent, my intention is to support our LGBTQIA2S+ community, protect our trans community, and extend civil rights, non-discrimination protections to all families.

1163
01:35:56.201 --> 01:36:01.396
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Those are the shared reasons that brought me and my colleagues together to sponsor this package.

1164
01:36:01.862 --> 01:36:07.457
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I want to make it clear, I don't identify as a member of the LGBTQIA2S+ community.

1165
01:36:07.729 --> 01:36:14.784
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I don't share the same lived experiences as some of my co-sponsors on this dais, and I don't know the personal stories they're bringing to the table.

1166
01:36:15.730 --> 01:36:19.402
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>However, I also understand that no community is a monolith.

1167
01:36:20.300 --> 01:36:23.185
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I believe in listening to subject matter experts.

1168
01:36:23.762 --> 01:36:27.658
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I believe in listening to the legal advice of our own city attorneys.

1169
01:36:28.172 --> 01:36:34.970
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I believe in listening to the voices that have historically not been heard by the city of Portland's elected officials.

1170
01:36:36.192 --> 01:36:40.877
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Colleagues, last week we heard directly from families that would be protected by our policies.

1171
01:36:41.543 --> 01:36:48.344
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Families like David, Mark, and Amy Nash-Killies, who came to Portland looking for a safe place to raise their family.

1172
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:55.027
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Families like David, Mark, and Amy's deserve the same same protections that we have.

1173
01:36:56.020 --> 01:37:00.395
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>To share a quote from Mark's testimony, nobody should fear who they care for.

1174
01:37:01.631 --> 01:37:10.190
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Nobody should fear that who they care for could jeopardize their job, their housing, or their ability to live in public as their authentic selves.

1175
01:37:11.007 --> 01:37:21.641
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I really wish Vice President Clark was still here because after those first few testimonies, she was really moved and leaned over to me and said, wow, this is so powerful.

1176
01:37:21.707 --> 01:37:23.046
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'm so glad these people are here.

1177
01:37:25.345 --> 01:37:43.273
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Last week, we also heard from a diverse coalition of LGBTQIA2S+ organizations and advocates, and virtually everyone who gave verbal testimony or submitted written testimony was supportive of this code revision to expand our family and relationship status protections.

1178
01:37:43.934 --> 01:37:55.664
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>We also heard from attorneys across the country, including a staff attorney at Harvard Harvard Law School's LGBTQIA2S+ Advocacy Clinic, which called for the need to be specific with our language.

1179
01:37:56.836 --> 01:38:08.814
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Since our last meeting, I've followed back up with the City Attorney's Office, who has confirmed that it's best to be as clear as possible to make sure the courts interpret our laws in alignment with our intentions.

1180
01:38:10.130 --> 01:38:14.748
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>My intention with this amendment is to respond to the advice of the City Attorney.

1181
01:38:14.813 --> 01:38:14.925
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1182
01:38:15.487 --> 01:38:25.868
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And to respect the requests of families like the Nashkillies and many others, and to make it clear that the city of Portland protects them too.

1183
01:38:26.798 --> 01:38:33.618
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>As a reminder, Somerville, Massachusetts was the first city to pass their expanded family status definition in 2023.

1184
01:38:34.341 --> 01:38:42.573
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>The city of Berkeley expanded family stat— this same family status definition in 2024, and Oakland passed theirs in 2025.

1185
01:38:42.621 --> 01:38:42.716
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

1186
01:38:44.291 --> 01:38:46.442
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I look forward to our discussion and deliberation.

1187
01:38:46.859 --> 01:38:48.914
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Our community deserves that to be out in the open.

1188
01:38:49.845 --> 01:38:55.434
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I'd like to thank Senior Deputy Attorney Anne Milligan from the City Attorney's Office for joining us too.

1189
01:38:55.690 --> 01:39:07.154
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>She met with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney's office in October of last year to answer the same questions that were brought up last week on the dais, and Attorney Milligan is here ready to answer our questions.

1190
01:39:07.332 --> 01:39:18.743
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I would like to start with asking for Attorney Milligan to tell us if this is the right place in code to have family protections, or Robert Taylor.

1191
01:39:22.537 --> 01:39:24.046
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, City Attorney Robert Taylor.

1192
01:39:24.631 --> 01:39:26.271
<v Jamie Dunphy>We should just get you a chair.

1193
01:39:27.083 --> 01:39:27.408
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1194
01:39:27.976 --> 01:39:29.860
<v Robert Taylor>Robert Taylor, City Attorney, for the record.

1195
01:39:35.228 --> 01:39:47.056
<v Robert Taylor>This proposed amendment, in my view, and I appreciate the work of everybody in our office today, and I just want to speak for, for the office here today.

1196
01:39:50.594 --> 01:40:00.404
<v Robert Taylor>I think the definition in D as it exists in the exhibit as filed is very broad.

1197
01:40:02.489 --> 01:40:12.226
<v Robert Taylor>And I think that broad definition in itself would cover all of the various family and intimate relationships that we have heard about.

1198
01:40:13.927 --> 01:40:21.198
<v Robert Taylor>The question is, should we further provide detail to that definition?

1199
01:40:22.127 --> 01:40:23.756
<v Robert Taylor>That is what is in the proposed amendment.

1200
01:40:26.158 --> 01:40:33.975
<v Robert Taylor>I think we heard testimony from many people requesting that type of specificity to give them comfort that they were in fact covered.

1201
01:40:35.261 --> 01:40:46.375
<v Robert Taylor>My view is that they would be covered already under the existing language, but you certainly could add the more specific language to address the concerns that we've heard from constituents.

1202
01:40:47.710 --> 01:41:03.470
<v Robert Taylor>And certainly if there is that specific list and there was ever litigation about whether A particular relationship status was covered by the definition, having that identified specifically in a list would be more defensible.

1203
01:41:05.909 --> 01:41:07.235
<v Robert Taylor>There is always a risk.

1204
01:41:07.462 --> 01:41:14.889
<v Robert Taylor>You know, this is a situation, honestly, in my mind where there's some legal risk with just having a very broad definition.

1205
01:41:16.606 --> 01:41:19.502
<v Robert Taylor>There's also some legal risk with having a very specific list.

1206
01:41:19.568 --> 01:41:20.104
<v Unidentified speaker>I think that's a good point.

1207
01:41:21.405 --> 01:41:31.497
<v Robert Taylor>The risk of having just a broad definition is it can lead to questions and debate about does this particular situation really fall within that broad definition or not.

1208
01:41:33.260 --> 01:41:44.979
<v Robert Taylor>The legal risk of having a specific list like is proposed in the amendment is sometimes there can be litigation over if you have a particular situation that isn't specifically called out.

1209
01:41:45.060 --> 01:41:45.190
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

1210
01:41:46.622 --> 01:41:54.717
<v Robert Taylor>Sometimes an argument can be made if you were excluded from the list, you're not supposed to be in the list, and then you have an argument over that.

1211
01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.932
<v Robert Taylor>In, in my view, both of those risks are minimal.

1212
01:41:59.445 --> 01:42:02.940
<v Robert Taylor>I don't think one risk outweighs the other from a legal perspective.

1213
01:42:03.630 --> 01:42:20.484
<v Robert Taylor>I think really to me it is a, a question of preference to this council as a policy matter of whether they would like to rely on the broad definition thank you, sir.

1214
01:42:21.307 --> 01:42:22.487
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Koyama Lane, anything else?

1215
01:42:25.372 --> 01:42:25.952
<v Keelan McClymont>That's it for now.

1216
01:42:26.096 --> 01:42:26.547
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1217
01:42:27.144 --> 01:42:28.207
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Koyama Lane.

1218
01:42:28.270 --> 01:42:29.043
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

1219
01:42:31.088 --> 01:42:34.197
<v Candace Avalos>All right, thank you, um, colleagues.

1220
01:42:34.310 --> 01:42:37.984
<v Candace Avalos>I think at the end of the day, the question before us is pretty simple.

1221
01:42:38.681 --> 01:42:42.942
<v Candace Avalos>Do we believe that Portlanders have the right to live lives free of discrimination?

1222
01:42:43.134 --> 01:42:46.738
<v Candace Avalos>And if the answer is yes, then it should be easy to support this amendment in front of us today.

1223
01:42:47.458 --> 01:42:59.603
<v Candace Avalos>At our last council meeting, we heard from Portlander after Portlander who told us that the current ambiguity of our anti-discrimination laws puts them at risk and their families at risk, who have experienced real harm because of the lack of clear protections.

1224
01:43:00.051 --> 01:43:12.259
<v Candace Avalos>So adding this language to explicitly recognize diverse family and intimate structures sends a clear signal that this code applies regardless of whether someone's household includes stepparents, multiple caregivers, multi-partner relationships, or chosen family.

1225
01:43:12.306 --> 01:43:12.658
<v Candace Avalos>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

1226
01:43:13.396 --> 01:43:22.460
<v Candace Avalos>And to me, that matters especially in this moment when we have a fascist administration twisting civil rights laws to target the very communities they were originally written to protect.

1227
01:43:22.716 --> 01:43:26.213
<v Candace Avalos>And it's not good enough to rely on the assumption that others will act in good faith.

1228
01:43:26.904 --> 01:43:34.523
<v Candace Avalos>Our own city attorney working at the city's legal team said, quote, that it is best to be as clear as possible whenever possible, end quote.

1229
01:43:35.051 --> 01:43:42.802
<v Candace Avalos>And that, quote, while existing language of the original ordinance could definitely get the job done in a perfect world, the language would be more specific, end quote.

1230
01:43:43.493 --> 01:43:46.912
<v Candace Avalos>The amendment before us today is the exact approach recommended by our lawyers.

1231
01:43:47.185 --> 01:43:56.627
<v Candace Avalos>It's the exact approach taken by Cambridge, Somerville, Berkeley, and Oakland, and it's the exact approach requested by leading experts at the Harvard Law School LGBTQ+ Advocacy Clinic, among others.

1232
01:43:57.445 --> 01:44:00.945
<v Candace Avalos>And most importantly, this is exactly what our constituents are asking us to do.

1233
01:44:01.716 --> 01:44:10.931
<v Candace Avalos>This amendment confirms the fundamental right of every Portlander to live freely without the fear that they or their family will experience discrimination because of who they are or who they love.

1234
01:44:11.671 --> 01:44:15.716
<v Candace Avalos>I will be voting yes, and I really hope that my colleagues have the moral clarity to do so as well.

1235
01:44:16.104 --> 01:44:16.314
<v Candace Avalos>Thanks.

1236
01:44:17.091 --> 01:44:18.032
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1237
01:44:18.210 --> 01:44:20.654
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green, to the amendment.

1238
01:44:20.979 --> 01:44:22.646
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, thank you, Mr. President.

1239
01:44:22.743 --> 01:44:24.380
<v Mitch Green>Uh, Mr. Taylor, can you please come back up?

1240
01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:28.354
<v Olivia Clark>Sorry.

1241
01:44:31.770 --> 01:44:32.649
<v Mitch Green>More legal questions.

1242
01:44:39.702 --> 01:44:39.961
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1243
01:44:40.493 --> 01:45:02.909
<v Mitch Green>Um, so I'm looking at a, a letter from the Harvard, um, Law School LGBTQ+ Advocacy Clinic, and they make the argument that our, our court system, the dominant interpretive methodology in contemporary jurisprudence Yes.

1244
01:45:03.653 --> 01:45:25.470
<v Mitch Green>And they sort of raise the issue that, you know, while it is true that a broad, expansive definition leaves more opportunity to put more types of situations into the category, that at the end of the day, what protects the interpretation of the statute is the clearest, plainest meaning of the law.

1245
01:45:26.903 --> 01:45:31.658
<v Mitch Green>So would you agree that that's the dominant jurisprudence?

1246
01:45:33.029 --> 01:45:33.648
<v Mitch Green>You know what I'm trying to say.

1247
01:45:35.050 --> 01:45:35.501
<v Robert Taylor>Yeah, thank you.

1248
01:45:35.550 --> 01:45:36.663
<v Robert Taylor>Robert Taylor, City Attorney.

1249
01:45:36.792 --> 01:45:54.167
<v Robert Taylor>I do agree with that, and, and, and that's what I'm expressing, where if you, if you have specific language in a list and you are clearly one of those specified, um, situations, that's That is crystal clear.

1250
01:45:54.488 --> 01:45:54.583
<v Robert Taylor>Yep.

1251
01:45:54.632 --> 01:45:56.158
<v Robert Taylor>There's not going to be any debate about that.

1252
01:45:57.217 --> 01:46:14.880
<v Robert Taylor>I have litigated cases in private practice where a statute has a specific list like that, and the argument is over, well, I'm not— my situation isn't included in the list, but it's, it's like that, it's close enough like that, I should get the benefit of that.

1253
01:46:15.521 --> 01:46:17.497
<v Robert Taylor>And, and that's the argument you get into.

1254
01:46:18.412 --> 01:46:26.792
<v Robert Taylor>And so that's the risk of having a list, is you may unintentionally exclude somebody or raise some question about that.

1255
01:46:27.372 --> 01:46:33.443
<v Robert Taylor>So I don't view that as a particularly high legal risk, honestly.

1256
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:43.574
<v Robert Taylor>And I also don't really think the broad definition that was used in the initial code language presents significant legal risk either.

1257
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<v Robert Taylor>So to me, it's really— there's some legal risk with either approach.

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01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:52.060
<v Robert Taylor>I don't think that risk is very high in either case.

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<v Robert Taylor>And so it's really just a choice between counsel about how they want to proceed.

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<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think, colleagues, in the context of this amendment, there's a pretty enumerated list of structures and relationship types that I don't personally have a lot of experience with, but, but it seems to me to be a pretty big Venn diagram of a lot of different types of conditions that most people would face in the city of Portland.

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<v Mitch Green>And so I feel like the clause that says, but not limited to, provides a pretty clear signal to the intent, the legislative intent.

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<v Mitch Green>And I think when we make these kind of laws, it's about legislative intent.

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01:47:32.588 --> 01:47:46.868
<v Mitch Green>I really don't want us to go down a road where we we create so much uncertainty that gives landlords and gives other sort of private actors in the community the COVID to put their own biases into play when we think about that.

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<v Mitch Green>So I just wanted to make sure I understood whether or not that letter was accurate in terms of the standard practice of jurisprudence.

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<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, thank you for outlining that, and thank you, Robert, for being here to answer all of thank you, Mayor.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Councilor Smith, for questions.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I think there is some difficulty, it sounds like, because there's some disagreement within your office about what is necessary or unnecessary here.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But I think the thing that stuck out to me about what you said is that enumerating it gives more— it makes it more defensible in court, and I think that matters to me.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But while also saying that not limited to means that we're not going to accidentally exclude people who shouldn't be excluded.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Councilor Smith.

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01:48:28.935 --> 01:48:37.712
<v Angelita Morillo>So that's, uh, I, I have zero questions about the intent of all of my colleagues up here to defend civil liberties and civil rights.

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01:48:37.889 --> 01:48:39.997
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that is absolutely something that everybody here wants.

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01:48:40.143 --> 01:48:48.365
<v Angelita Morillo>It is a, a difference in policymaking, and I think that, um, I don't know, I just want to ground us in all that.

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01:48:48.494 --> 01:48:50.458
<v Angelita Morillo>I think that we do all care about that same thing.

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01:48:51.216 --> 01:48:54.210
<v Angelita Morillo>Um, to me, the amendment is very simple, and I hope that we move forward with it.

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01:48:54.259 --> 01:48:54.354
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

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01:48:54.456 --> 01:49:03.845
<v Angelita Morillo>With it because I think enumerating those rights, one, I think that protects different types of queer relationships that are not just monogamous queer relationships.

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01:49:05.048 --> 01:49:10.055
<v Angelita Morillo>And, you know, I think that this is in line with what other jurisdictions are doing.

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01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:11.981
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not like it's something that's super out of bounds.

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01:49:12.591 --> 01:49:15.287
<v Angelita Morillo>It's something that we have seen other cities do.

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01:49:15.497 --> 01:49:19.831
<v Angelita Morillo>And frankly, I think Portland is behind for being one of the most LGBTQ-friendly cities in the country.

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01:49:19.895 --> 01:49:20.055
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

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01:49:20.136 --> 01:49:22.095
<v Angelita Morillo>Friendly cities, allegedly, right?

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01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:27.720
<v Angelita Morillo>So I think that this is just a modernization of the policy that we have, and I hope that we can move that forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>But I believe that we all have the same intent here, and I'm looking forward to voting yes on the amendment.

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01:49:34.378 --> 01:49:35.283
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Murillo.

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01:49:35.363 --> 01:49:36.220
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President, and thank you to Councilor Murillo for saying the most important part of this, which is that I think everybody up here wants to make sure that we are protecting the civil rights of all of our friends and neighbors.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And the proposal that was brought forward in this amendment is an important one that deserves debate, not because the rights on the table deserve debate, but because we need to make sure that when we change our civil rights code, we do it right.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need to make sure that we're not leaving anybody out the list.

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01:50:16.090 --> 01:50:24.369
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We need to make sure that we are looking at any potential conflicting codes and getting those right.

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01:50:24.649 --> 01:50:34.250
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And unfortunately, when dais amendments are brought, we don't have the time and space to have that full conversation.

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01:50:36.029 --> 01:50:41.250
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, I really hate airing dirty laundry and talking about process on the dais.

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01:50:47.122 --> 01:50:58.587
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I mentioned earlier that my team did a lot of work making sure we could have full co-sponsorship by all 4 out members of the community on this measure.

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01:51:00.409 --> 01:51:11.324
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And as we had those conversations, there was a lot of language that was considered in different iterations of the proposals before us that were considered, because that's how this process works.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's normal.

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01:51:12.854 --> 01:51:19.225
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>You put language on the table, you take language off the table, you figure out where the right place is to land for this particular proposal.

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01:51:19.931 --> 01:51:23.819
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And some of the language taken off the table is really important, good language.

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01:51:23.884 --> 01:51:26.980
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's just not what the full group can move forward at this time.

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01:51:29.654 --> 01:51:34.538
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And a version of the language that is before us in this amendment was at one point on the table.

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01:51:36.010 --> 01:51:41.761
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, and wasn't moved forward in the final proposal that the co-sponsors brought to this group.

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01:51:43.481 --> 01:51:51.966
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And then one of our co-sponsors brought it back as an amendment, and that doesn't feel like negotiating in good faith to me.

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01:51:53.462 --> 01:51:59.740
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And that's really troubling to me because trust at this dais, trust amongst us matters.

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01:51:59.871 --> 01:52:00.033
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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01:52:01.118 --> 01:52:12.699
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure yet how I'm voting on this amendment, despite the fact that, as my colleague said, we all want to protect everybody's civil rights.

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01:52:13.715 --> 01:52:15.438
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to make sure we do that right.

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01:52:15.485 --> 01:52:20.471
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to make sure we get the balance of the 2 risks that Mr. Taylor described right.

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01:52:20.635 --> 01:52:27.095
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I want to have the proper debate on how to add the right language here.

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01:52:27.145 --> 01:52:27.533
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Councilor Smith.

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01:52:28.596 --> 01:52:53.354
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want us to have a good strong vote showing the trans community that this council, this community, is here today to make sure that among other things when members of the trans community come to Portland to get the life-saving healthcare that they need, they will not be arrested because there is an outstanding warrant from another state for receiving that healthcare.

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01:52:53.452 --> 01:53:02.909
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Care, because that was the underlying goal, among a few other related things, for what we're doing here today.

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01:53:03.855 --> 01:53:22.711
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm interested in hearing the debate from my colleagues, not about whether the amendment before us is important language or not, but about whether this is the right place and time to move it forward, or if we need to do a little work to make sure that the code is all compliant and the list is right before we move forward.

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01:53:23.833 --> 01:53:24.876
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1318
01:53:25.020 --> 01:53:26.207
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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01:53:26.545 --> 01:53:27.443
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Kanal.

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01:53:28.470 --> 01:53:29.497
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Council President.

1321
01:53:29.672 --> 01:53:33.619
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I had questions originally for, for, uh, City Attorney Taylor.

1322
01:53:33.684 --> 01:53:37.502
<v Sameer Kanal>I think Councilor Murillo's points, uh, really covered them all, so I won't, I won't ask them.

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01:53:38.176 --> 01:53:49.069
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, I appreciate the conversation here, and we've had this conversation around a couple other topics too, which is when we're talking about, um, Federal response, National Guard, ICE, a lot of these different things.

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01:53:49.117 --> 01:53:56.480
<v Sameer Kanal>Is it better to do the thing that, that maybe, um, is the strongest possible thing to do if it has 7, 8, 9 votes?

1325
01:53:56.881 --> 01:54:01.118
<v Sameer Kanal>Is it better to do the thing that we can get to 12 votes for and, and send a message?

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01:54:01.213 --> 01:54:04.327
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know that there's an absolute right or wrong answer to that.

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01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:08.354
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know that there's an absolute right or wrong answer in the context of this issue area either.

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01:54:08.979 --> 01:54:11.210
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, so, but I appreciate if Thank you.

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01:54:11.210 --> 01:54:19.659
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you, Councilor Mitch Green, and in particular Councilor Pirtle-Guiney for, for sort of bringing that up, because I think it's fair for us to say, to, to give everyone a look behind the curtain, that is a thing that is on at least some of our minds.

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01:54:19.970 --> 01:54:20.960
<v Sameer Kanal>It's certainly been on mine.

1331
01:54:21.789 --> 01:54:29.979
<v Sameer Kanal>Um, with relation to this amendment, I, I appreciated the conversation last week because, uh, it gave me time.

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01:54:30.010 --> 01:54:30.909
<v Sameer Kanal>It was a surprise to me.

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01:54:30.909 --> 01:54:36.789
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not involved in the committee conversation, and, um, as some of my colleagues know, I was not familiar with the amendment at all.

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01:54:36.789 --> 01:54:41.387
<v Sameer Kanal>Didn't initially think it, it needed to happen given the conversation there.

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01:54:41.452 --> 01:54:44.887
<v Sameer Kanal>But I got a lot of folks who weighed in over the last week.

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01:54:45.001 --> 01:54:50.780
<v Sameer Kanal>So I want to first thank my colleagues for ensuring that there was a week for that, for me to do my homework on that.

1337
01:54:50.845 --> 01:54:56.560
<v Sameer Kanal>I was always going to support the ordinance and the resolution broadly, but on the amendment specifically, hadn't had the homework.

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01:54:56.626 --> 01:55:06.003
<v Sameer Kanal>And a lot of folks, including but not limited to Basic Rights Oregon, reached out, and I want to just thank them for those pieces of information that they gave me.

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01:55:06.100 --> 01:55:25.654
<v Sameer Kanal>So I will be supporting it today because in this particular case, I think that the balance of this leans towards the comment that was made in testimony last week of, A, nothing about us without us, and then B, what we're hearing from the people who are most affected in the community.

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01:55:26.409 --> 01:55:37.645
<v Sameer Kanal>I don't know that there's a perfect answer to it, and I appreciate the comments that many colleagues have made about everyone sharing intent around this community, these several communities, and the needs to protect their rights.

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01:55:37.855 --> 01:55:38.257
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1342
01:55:38.710 --> 01:55:39.466
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1343
01:55:39.771 --> 01:55:40.480
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos.

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01:55:43.009 --> 01:55:46.068
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I think I'm just still a little bit confused.

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01:55:46.131 --> 01:55:59.311
<v Candace Avalos>And I'll just say, you know, as somebody who has actually a lot of experience being blindsided with amendments to bills that I wrote, what I have been told in those scenarios is that everybody here has the right to propose amendments, that that is the legislative process.

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01:56:00.051 --> 01:56:15.176
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, I understand that there's, you know, nuances to that because there's interpersonal dynamics that come into play, but from what I understand of how we legislate, any bill that gets put on this dais that is up for debate is open for amendments, which are open for debate, which require a vote.

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01:56:15.545 --> 01:56:21.551
<v Candace Avalos>Let's not forget, it's not like people proposing things, that is an ultimatum, that it requires a vote, and if you don't vote for it great.

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01:56:21.679 --> 01:56:22.417
<v Candace Avalos>If you vote for it, great.

1349
01:56:23.028 --> 01:56:27.636
<v Candace Avalos>And so I don't really agree with that being the point of this.

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01:56:27.765 --> 01:56:42.845
<v Candace Avalos>I think that if a councilor is responsive to what their community is saying, what their constituents are saying, and is proposing an amendment to update legislation to make it stronger for their constituents, that seems like the legislative process we all agree to.

1351
01:56:42.957 --> 01:56:50.548
<v Candace Avalos>So if that is the case, then we need to stop choosing when it applies, because I know I have constantly been berated for those kinds of things.

1352
01:56:50.596 --> 01:56:57.356
<v Candace Avalos>And I've experienced the brunt of being told, well, you just have to accept that I have a different view and I want to put another amendment.

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01:56:57.438 --> 01:56:57.695
<v Sameer Kanal>Great.

1354
01:56:57.938 --> 01:56:58.841
<v Candace Avalos>So then let's accept it.

1355
01:56:59.067 --> 01:57:00.793
<v Candace Avalos>I think that's very clear what we're doing here.

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01:57:01.390 --> 01:57:05.505
<v Candace Avalos>I think that everybody is 100% in bounds to do that.

1357
01:57:06.166 --> 01:57:14.140
<v Candace Avalos>And I genuinely still do not understand, because of what I heard from the lawyers, what I'm hearing is that this conversation has been going on for months.

1358
01:57:14.204 --> 01:57:14.269
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

1359
01:57:15.337 --> 01:57:17.407
<v Candace Avalos>That there has been discussion behind the scenes.

1360
01:57:17.823 --> 01:57:18.626
<v Candace Avalos>We've vetted it.

1361
01:57:18.722 --> 01:57:20.054
<v Candace Avalos>We've looked across the country.

1362
01:57:20.631 --> 01:57:22.733
<v Candace Avalos>What is left to figure out?

1363
01:57:22.796 --> 01:57:26.198
<v Candace Avalos>I mean, it sounds like people are saying there's more to figure out of where it goes in code.

1364
01:57:26.261 --> 01:57:28.042
<v Candace Avalos>We've already gotten those questions answered.

1365
01:57:28.105 --> 01:57:35.564
<v Candace Avalos>So genuinely, I don't understand what is still left to be uncovered before people feel comfortable making this vote.

1366
01:57:35.725 --> 01:57:39.078
<v Candace Avalos>So I guess, you know, I'll pose that back to the group.

1367
01:57:39.190 --> 01:57:41.452
<v Candace Avalos>It doesn't have to be necessarily anybody respond to it.

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01:57:41.501 --> 01:57:53.202
<v Candace Avalos>I mean, I can make it rhetorical, but I truly have been trying to sit here and listen to like the reason, and I haven't heard a clear reason other than, you know, we haven't debated it enough.

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01:57:53.266 --> 01:57:54.501
<v Candace Avalos>Well, I guess I disagree.

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01:57:54.564 --> 01:58:04.215
<v Candace Avalos>I think the lawyers have done that work, and there are email trains that show— email chains, I mean— that show that this discussion has been going back and forth for months.

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01:58:04.375 --> 01:58:08.527
<v Candace Avalos>So if it hasn't been figured out in a few months, I don't know what another few months are going to figure out.

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01:58:08.591 --> 01:58:08.878
<v Candace Avalos>Councilor Loretta Smith.

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01:58:09.233 --> 01:58:13.152
<v Candace Avalos>So I'm ready to vote for this.

1374
01:58:13.311 --> 01:58:15.368
<v Candace Avalos>I think this is very common sense legislation.

1375
01:58:15.738 --> 01:58:19.351
<v Candace Avalos>If we all say that we care about these communities, then let's support them.

1376
01:58:19.817 --> 01:58:26.579
<v Candace Avalos>I really hope that we can move past this weird, you know, it just seems like there's a lot of undertone and I'm kind of over it.

1377
01:58:26.659 --> 01:58:32.088
<v Candace Avalos>I think that this is how people legislate and we need to accept that that is our responsibility, our duty.

1378
01:58:32.587 --> 01:58:34.497
<v Candace Avalos>And I'm proud to support this amendment for those reasons.

1379
01:58:34.546 --> 01:58:34.755
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1380
01:58:36.006 --> 01:58:36.886
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Avalos.

1381
01:58:37.148 --> 01:58:37.703
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1382
01:58:39.858 --> 01:58:40.984
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1383
01:58:41.912 --> 01:58:45.341
<v Loretta Smith>Um, I have a question for our City Attorney, uh, Taylor.

1384
01:58:46.275 --> 01:58:54.399
<v Loretta Smith>So if we wanted to include— let's say if this passed and then we wanted to include something else, could we amend the amended piece of this?

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01:58:56.376 --> 01:59:01.572
<v Robert Taylor>You could always bring an amendment to the code later to— okay, to add to the list.

1386
01:59:01.722 --> 01:59:03.112
<v Loretta Smith>Yes, to add if we wanted to do that.

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01:59:03.162 --> 01:59:04.863
<v Loretta Smith>That's that's, that's what I needed to, to find out.

1388
01:59:05.007 --> 01:59:05.345
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1389
01:59:06.453 --> 01:59:07.304
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1390
01:59:08.524 --> 01:59:09.229
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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01:59:38.855 --> 02:00:07.762
<v Eric Zimmerman>Being an elected official and weighing in on ordinances about protecting a group of people who right now are in the spotlight is something that I've taken very seriously since this resolution and this ordinance change came on my radar.

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02:00:12.300 --> 02:00:28.042
<v Eric Zimmerman>I have seen, you know, it— I'll just say it is very— it seems like a simple act to pass in the large sense, in quotes, an LGBTQ package, right?

1393
02:00:28.105 --> 02:00:31.311
<v Eric Zimmerman>That in this community, that's a broadly accepted demographic.

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02:00:37.225 --> 02:01:08.592
<v Eric Zimmerman>But in doing so, I think that councilors and their staffs who are helping write this, we were I'm incredibly cognizant of the fact that we live in an era where the actions of a city council, which seem, you know, like they don't leave our shores, so to speak, they stay just in the city of Portland, but we know that that's not the case.

1395
02:01:11.326 --> 02:01:16.693
<v Eric Zimmerman>The language that's being proposed here is not language that I find problematic.

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02:01:17.033 --> 02:01:32.347
<v Eric Zimmerman>It's not language that I disagree with, but it is language that highlights something in an— in another— in a document that has a spec— had a specific focus.

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02:01:33.681 --> 02:01:49.904
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that specific focus for me was recognition that Oregon and that Portland is a place where people who are part of the trans community in particular, but LGBTQ overall, are finding refuge.

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02:01:52.301 --> 02:02:10.682
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that we live in a strange time when state legislature— legislatures, federal government are targeting everything from healthcare to activities to identification documents.

1399
02:02:14.935 --> 02:03:15.782
<v Eric Zimmerman>I thought that we could both take an action and not put a particular spotlight on Portland by those who will do us ill. Perhaps that was a mistake, but But I think that when you are doing right by the community, and when we are talking about those types of aggressive actions against a part of our community, being mindful that while they are going through that, while their families are figuring out what life looks like as transitions occur, as maybe reintroductions into new schools or into teams, into neighborhoods, to jobs, that, that is a heavy enough situation for anyone involved that extra spotlight by the Fox Newsites of the world is not helpful.

1400
02:03:16.567 --> 02:03:20.127
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm laying out on the table where my motivation came from.

1401
02:03:21.042 --> 02:03:29.815
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that we can achieve, and we have heard today, and this is why the city attorney essentially said, I think that the words that were in it would already protect.

1402
02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:30.328
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's a good point.

1403
02:03:31.104 --> 02:03:44.515
<v Eric Zimmerman>We landed on language that covered all of these family situations without creating what we thought might be undue fervor in the conservative ecosphere, if you will.

1404
02:03:50.210 --> 02:04:14.840
<v Eric Zimmerman>So at this point— And so I put a lot of faith in the team, and I thanked those staffers who were part of the negotiations on behalf of these counselors, uh, because we put a lot of work into, uh, negotiating and trying to understand what language was helpful, what language was harmful, what language was going to get taken out of context and be then more dangerous.

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02:04:14.953 --> 02:04:23.646
<v Eric Zimmerman>And in this world and in this time and on this topic, context matters, language matters, and I care very much about that.

1406
02:04:23.712 --> 02:04:35.358
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I felt I felt very good coming into this body last week with the agreed-upon language where everybody said, you know, I'm not— I got it, I'm not proposing any amendments.

1407
02:04:35.983 --> 02:04:37.521
<v Eric Zimmerman>Either themselves or their staff said it.

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02:04:37.666 --> 02:04:37.938
<v Loretta Smith>Okay.

1409
02:04:38.884 --> 02:04:42.729
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I still feel good about the underlying ordinance.

1410
02:04:42.810 --> 02:04:45.774
<v Eric Zimmerman>I feel very good about the underlying resolution.

1411
02:04:45.934 --> 02:04:53.130
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that Portlanders and those who are going to soon be Portlanders can have faith in Portland, in faith in our laws.

1412
02:04:53.469 --> 02:05:11.900
<v Eric Zimmerman>We are cleaning up code that is bygone, of a bygone era, and we are signaling a support for members of our community who are, uh, deep minorities and are right now the topic of the era for a part of this country who does not think them the same level of human.

1413
02:05:13.472 --> 02:05:17.400
<v Eric Zimmerman>That was my motivation and where I came to this and why I put so much Thank you.

1414
02:05:17.547 --> 02:05:21.858
<v Eric Zimmerman>Staff time into developing what I think were 2 good documents.

1415
02:05:24.989 --> 02:05:35.207
<v Eric Zimmerman>But part of that relied on faith that the process would take its course, that, that we could avoid some of those lightning rod moments, those lightning rod debates.

1416
02:05:35.483 --> 02:05:39.212
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that lightning rod debate has now happened.

1417
02:05:40.104 --> 02:05:41.530
<v Eric Zimmerman>You have aired it out there.

1418
02:05:43.234 --> 02:05:54.510
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I'm not sure what we can avoid from the perspective of those who will do us harm.

1419
02:05:55.333 --> 02:05:56.740
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that ship has sailed.

1420
02:05:56.869 --> 02:06:06.342
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I look to all my colleagues as somebody who was not in favor of this amendment, and I think it was a deep violation of our process and the sponsors who brought it.

1421
02:06:07.073 --> 02:06:08.417
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think we should pass it unanimously.

1422
02:06:09.091 --> 02:06:27.926
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think we should pass the resolution unanimously, and I think we need to pass the ordinance unanimously because at this point, um, I am pissed at myself for rewarding bad behavior by one of my fellow councilors, but I will not be straight-splained by members of this dais or members of this community.

1423
02:06:28.344 --> 02:06:31.331
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am— stay devoted to the underlying ordinance.

1424
02:06:31.490 --> 02:06:33.610
<v Eric Zimmerman>I stay devoted to the underlying resolution.

1425
02:06:33.931 --> 02:06:43.336
<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor and I am channeling everything I can with the people who are better than I when it comes to turning the other cheek.

1426
02:06:44.027 --> 02:06:57.605
<v Eric Zimmerman>And in gay rights and in gay liberation movements, we have been turning the other cheek a long time, and we have been incremental in our improvements in our society.

1427
02:06:58.106 --> 02:06:59.802
<v Eric Zimmerman>This is one of those incremental moments.

1428
02:06:59.851 --> 02:06:59.965
<v Keelan McClymont>Thank you.

1429
02:07:06.881 --> 02:07:24.547
<v Eric Zimmerman>It is not lost on me that there were members and there are people in this community who will speak that they are deep supporters of us but will not let us have a thing without being a part of it, commenting on it, and changing it.

1430
02:07:26.185 --> 02:07:30.483
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'm not going to let that change my overall support.

1431
02:07:30.564 --> 02:07:39.355
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I do plan to support this amendment, and I despise the fact that we were lied to, but I will support it because now it is all out there.

1432
02:07:40.854 --> 02:07:41.708
<v Eric Zimmerman>The drapes are down.

1433
02:07:41.981 --> 02:07:42.868
<v Eric Zimmerman>We're seeing through it.

1434
02:07:43.448 --> 02:07:44.060
<v Eric Zimmerman>Let's pass it.

1435
02:07:44.494 --> 02:07:52.759
<v Eric Zimmerman>Let's pass all the protections for the entire LGBTQ spectrum and send the signal that is important for Portlanders and soon-to-be Portlanders.

1436
02:07:53.270 --> 02:07:54.097
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you, Mr. President.

1437
02:07:54.487 --> 02:07:55.362
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1438
02:07:56.934 --> 02:08:02.682
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue to debate the amendment, I would ask Keelan to please call the roll.

1439
02:08:03.349 --> 02:08:12.372
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay, and then just to clarify, this is a motion to amend Exhibit B moved by Councilor Koyama Lane, seconded by Councilor Avalos.

1440
02:08:13.676 --> 02:08:13.903
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

1441
02:08:14.725 --> 02:08:14.773
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1442
02:08:15.868 --> 02:08:16.078
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

1443
02:08:17.561 --> 02:08:35.123
<v Loretta Smith>I just want to say that listening to our city attorney, and if we want to change some of these things too, um, I, I heard you loud and clear, Councilor, um, Pirtle-Guiney, about what happened in the process.

1444
02:08:35.283 --> 02:08:37.800
<v Loretta Smith>And, and I hear you too, Councilor Zimmerman.

1445
02:08:38.649 --> 02:08:42.542
<v Loretta Smith>But I agree with you, we need to pass this.

1446
02:08:43.359 --> 02:08:47.509
<v Loretta Smith>And if, if there's something better that we can improve it, let's just do that after the fact.

1447
02:08:47.573 --> 02:08:47.668
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1448
02:08:48.810 --> 02:09:03.248
<v Loretta Smith>Because it's the fact of the matter is, even in the transgender community, Black transgender folks—they are so marginalized and in a way that I have not seen others.

1449
02:09:04.646 --> 02:09:07.795
<v Loretta Smith>So I think they do need protections.

1450
02:09:07.939 --> 02:09:12.869
<v Loretta Smith>And if we want to beef this up in a way, let's do it after the fact and change it.

1451
02:09:12.917 --> 02:09:15.262
<v Loretta Smith>Let's just get this on and vote for this.

1452
02:09:15.391 --> 02:09:16.211
<v Loretta Smith>And so I vote aye.

1453
02:09:18.943 --> 02:09:19.248
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1454
02:09:21.417 --> 02:09:21.546
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Aye.

1455
02:09:24.230 --> 02:09:24.279
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

1456
02:09:26.167 --> 02:09:26.215
<v Robert Taylor>Aye.

1457
02:09:27.137 --> 02:09:27.185
<v Robert Taylor>Aye.

1458
02:09:28.676 --> 02:09:28.724
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

1459
02:09:31.588 --> 02:09:33.224
<v Keelan McClymont>Councilor Clarke is absent.

1460
02:09:34.257 --> 02:09:34.418
<v Mitch Green>Green?

1461
02:09:34.532 --> 02:09:34.547
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

1462
02:09:35.466 --> 02:09:35.789
<v Keelan McClymont>Zimmerman?

1463
02:09:36.112 --> 02:09:36.127
<v Eric Zimmerman>Aye.

1464
02:09:36.934 --> 02:09:37.305
<v Keelan McClymont>Dunphy?

1465
02:09:37.805 --> 02:09:37.966
<v Jamie Dunphy>Aye.

1466
02:09:39.190 --> 02:09:43.564
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with 10 yes votes 13 yes votes and 2 absent.

1467
02:09:43.628 --> 02:09:48.592
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, is there any further debate to the underlying ordinance or resolution at this time?

1468
02:09:49.448 --> 02:09:54.273
<v Jamie Dunphy>The resolution has been postponed, so no, no debate on the resolution, but any further debate on the underlying ordinance?

1469
02:09:55.617 --> 02:09:56.317
<v Jamie Dunphy>Waiting a second.

1470
02:09:56.609 --> 02:10:05.354
<v Jamie Dunphy>Seeing no one else in the queue, the ordinance will now move to second reading along with the now postponed resolution.

1471
02:10:06.194 --> 02:10:06.712
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, colleagues.

1472
02:10:08.054 --> 02:10:15.274
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please move to item— actually, before we move to item 13, I am going to have us take a 10-minute recess.

1473
02:10:18.119 --> 02:10:18.908
<v Jamie Dunphy>We'll be back at—.

1474
02:10:19.225 --> 02:10:19.359
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please.

1475
02:22:33.004 --> 02:22:34.457
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we are back.

1476
02:22:35.683 --> 02:22:37.588
<v Jamie Dunphy>Can we please read item number 13?

1477
02:22:43.102 --> 02:22:51.868
<v Keelan McClymont>Uh, item 13, document 2026-022, amend the Portland Clean Energy Community Benefit Fund Climate Investment Plan.

1478
02:22:54.862 --> 02:23:02.914
<v Jamie Dunphy>And we have Claire Adamsick from Council Ops for a committee summary, uh, Staff committee summary report, something like that.

1479
02:23:04.327 --> 02:23:06.352
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Council President and councilors.

1480
02:23:06.415 --> 02:23:11.362
<v Unidentified speaker>Again, for the record, Claire Adamsick, council policy analyst and staff to the Climate Resilience and Land Use Committee.

1481
02:23:12.182 --> 02:23:20.679
<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance before you, document number 2026-022, was heard in the Climate Committee on January 15th and again on January 29th.

1482
02:23:21.337 --> 02:23:25.754
<v Unidentified speaker>On January 29th, the ordinance was referred to council as amended with a recommendation to pass.

1483
02:23:26.653 --> 02:23:35.233
<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance directs the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability, BPS, to amend the Climate Investment Plan, or CIP, as provided in Exhibit A of the ordinance.

1484
02:23:35.953 --> 02:23:50.099
<v Unidentified speaker>It clarifies the amended CIP is in effect through June 30th, 2029, and that budgetary changes resulting from this amendment are subject to council authorization through the annual budget process and subsequent budget cycles where applicable.

1485
02:23:51.333 --> 02:24:10.809
<v Unidentified speaker>The ordinance further directs It also authorizes the BPS director to amend funding allocations of up to 10% of a specified program, provided the adjustments are recommended by the PCEF committee and preserve the CIP's intent across funding categories.

1486
02:24:11.340 --> 02:24:19.500
<v Unidentified speaker>At its January 29th meeting, the committee approved an amendment to Exhibit A of the ordinance that restored the original 5-year funding allocations for the PCEF program.

1487
02:24:19.500 --> 02:24:19.540
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1488
02:24:19.702 --> 02:24:29.068
<v Unidentified speaker>In Strategic Program 1, which is clean energy and regulated multifamily affordable housing, and Strategic Program 13, targeted electric vehicle financing tools.

1489
02:24:30.001 --> 02:24:38.708
<v Unidentified speaker>The amendment further directed staff analysis to determine necessary changes to text within Exhibit A to correspond with the amended funding allocations.

1490
02:24:40.010 --> 02:24:53.638
<v Unidentified speaker>Following committee action, PCF submitted— PCF staff submitted a proposed conforming amendment to Exhibit A To reflect the impacts of the committee amendment that was approved on January 29th, and that conforming amendment is posted online.

1491
02:24:54.793 --> 02:25:05.527
<v Unidentified speaker>The full impact statement on this item includes information on financial and budgetary impacts and analysis, economic and real estate development impacts, community impacts and community involvement, and the city's 100% renewable goal.

1492
02:25:06.602 --> 02:25:09.923
<v Unidentified speaker>17 People testified during the committee meeting on January 15th.

1493
02:25:10.420 --> 02:25:12.088
<v Unidentified speaker>37 People submitted written testimony.

1494
02:25:12.153 --> 02:25:12.344
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1495
02:25:12.665 --> 02:25:39.838
<v Unidentified speaker>Prior to committee action on January 29th, general themes of the testimony included the climate climate benefits for low-income households through energy upgrades and electrification, specifically upgrades to older housing stock, the potential impacts of trimet budget cuts on public access and climate-friendly improvements, increased pressure on local funding decisions in light of state and federal funding cuts, retaining funding allocations for transportation uses, including bike and transit infrastructure.

1496
02:25:40.352 --> 02:25:43.510
<v Unidentified speaker>Transportation decarbonization or a universal youth transit pass.

1497
02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:50.948
<v Unidentified speaker>And finally, keeping PSF investments focused on renewable and clean energy purposes in alignment with the original intent of the ballot measure.

1498
02:25:51.333 --> 02:25:52.583
<v Unidentified speaker>And that concludes the committee staff summary.

1499
02:25:52.711 --> 02:25:53.159
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1500
02:25:53.576 --> 02:25:54.234
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Claire.

1501
02:25:54.602 --> 02:25:58.113
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Novick, I see that you were the committee chair of this.

1502
02:25:58.771 --> 02:26:01.543
<v Jamie Dunphy>I also— colleagues recognize that we have a number of amendments on the table.

1503
02:26:02.939 --> 02:26:03.852
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, you both were?

1504
02:26:04.621 --> 02:26:05.006
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, great.

1505
02:26:05.102 --> 02:26:16.864
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, so I will turn first I'm going to turn to Councilor Novick, but I'd also like at that time, Councilor Novick, if you could share your amendments, and then I will turn to Councilor Avalos, who also has an amendment, I believe.

1506
02:26:17.218 --> 02:26:17.923
<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Morillo.

1507
02:26:18.900 --> 02:26:19.941
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you, Council President.

1508
02:26:20.263 --> 02:26:43.921
<v Angelita Morillo>Yeah, just to give a little bit more color to the discussion that happened in committee, you know, I think that there was a big discussion about what we do with these dollars and specifically with $15 million that was found in the PCF I think a core part of the discussion was the PSF committee came, they gave very strong testimony about wanting us to preserve their original recommendations as strongly as possible.

1509
02:26:44.403 --> 02:26:55.882
<v Angelita Morillo>They made it very clear that they viewed council tweaking something that they had worked on for a very long time as something that was very concerning to them and that it was an intrusion on community input.

1510
02:26:56.283 --> 02:26:58.564
<v Angelita Morillo>But there was also a debate amongst councilors as Okay.

1511
02:26:58.611 --> 02:27:07.676
<v Angelita Morillo>As far as, okay, if we have this multi— this billion-dollar fund, what do we do in a situation where we are getting feedback from community where they're pushing us in a certain way?

1512
02:27:08.061 --> 02:27:17.191
<v Angelita Morillo>Like, I think something that we heard about over the course of the past few weeks was learning that transit is being greatly reduced because the state legislature failed to fund it.

1513
02:27:17.528 --> 02:27:20.174
<v Angelita Morillo>What do we do then to address the needs of our community?

1514
02:27:20.688 --> 02:27:32.085
<v Angelita Morillo>So I think my big takeaway as someone who was chairing the meeting was that everybody deeply cares about climate issues, deeply cares about trying to make sure we're responsive to our constituents, and that there is disagreement about how that gets done.

1515
02:27:32.969 --> 02:27:35.427
<v Angelita Morillo>And some of my colleagues really articulated well, what do we do?

1516
02:27:37.003 --> 02:27:46.340
<v Angelita Morillo>Is council a rubber stamp for the PCF committee's recommendations, or do we get some say and give some feedback on what those recommendations are when they come to us?

1517
02:27:47.199 --> 02:27:48.674
<v Angelita Morillo>So that was just kind of an open question.

1518
02:27:48.722 --> 02:27:49.792
<v Angelita Morillo>I don't think we landed on a decision.

1519
02:27:49.842 --> 02:27:50.067
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Councilor Smith.

1520
02:27:50.577 --> 02:27:56.450
<v Angelita Morillo>And I just wanted to add some color to the discussion because it is very complicated and important for our community right now.

1521
02:27:56.581 --> 02:27:56.986
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1522
02:27:57.245 --> 02:27:58.231
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Morillo.

1523
02:27:58.297 --> 02:28:02.200
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, you are muted.

1524
02:28:04.680 --> 02:28:07.738
<v Steve Novick>Sorry, I appreciate Councilor Morillo's introduction.

1525
02:28:08.834 --> 02:28:10.283
<v Steve Novick>So a couple of things.

1526
02:28:10.493 --> 02:28:24.141
<v Steve Novick>One, um, what the committee wound up sending to full council was a group of technical amendments Not including the substantive move of money from one pot to another that the PSF had recommended.

1527
02:28:25.040 --> 02:28:32.042
<v Steve Novick>These technical amendments are somewhat time critical, and therefore I hope that we move to adopt those amendments today.

1528
02:28:33.471 --> 02:28:45.179
<v Steve Novick>As to the question of the $15 million, I have long been concerned that we're spending too little PSF money in transportation, which is our largest source of emissions.

1529
02:28:45.355 --> 02:28:51.204
<v Steve Novick>We're spending 17% of PCF money on transportation when it's 40% of emissions.

1530
02:28:51.879 --> 02:29:11.145
<v Steve Novick>So when I saw that that the committee was recommending that we change the climate investment plan to take 15 million out of transportation and putting into a housing program, which is a departure from the allocation that the committee did, you know, this original CIP approved by council, I thought that was a big.

1531
02:29:11.242 --> 02:29:14.926
<v Steve Novick>Deal, something the council should weigh in on and of concern to me.

1532
02:29:15.070 --> 02:29:19.861
<v Steve Novick>So I solicited ideas for transportation ways to use that money.

1533
02:29:20.439 --> 02:29:32.073
<v Steve Novick>Uh, oh, and by the way, the, um, the original transportation purpose was a financing program for electric vehicles, particularly for Uber and Lyft drivers, that just hasn't gotten really gotten off the ground yet.

1534
02:29:32.618 --> 02:29:42.228
<v Steve Novick>Um, so I went to Vivian Satterfield and PBOT and TriMet for ideas to how to spend that money on transportation and received a variety of proposals.

1535
02:29:42.341 --> 02:29:46.295
<v Steve Novick>One is saving streetcar service, which TriMet is planning to cut.

1536
02:29:46.359 --> 02:29:49.524
<v Steve Novick>And of course, we have a longstanding city investment in streetcar.

1537
02:29:50.119 --> 02:29:59.061
<v Steve Novick>Vivian Satterfield suggested extending the youth pass to David Douglas and Parkrose High School students.

1538
02:30:00.829 --> 02:30:25.340
<v Steve Novick>PBOT also proposed taking a look at a proposal to Um, within the James Beard Market, which is going to open next year, to start a net-zero delivery system for that market so that instead of diesel trucks causing a traffic nightmare on Alder Street, we have cargo bikes and electric, you know, e-cargo bikes and electric vehicles doing those deliveries.

1539
02:30:25.886 --> 02:30:29.788
<v Steve Novick>So the committee heard about these very— these various options.

1540
02:30:29.900 --> 02:30:29.996
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1541
02:30:30.686 --> 02:30:42.211
<v Steve Novick>And it was clear that we were not going to come to a conclusion as to whether to adopt a particular set of transportation proposals or to revert to the committee's original idea and put the money into housing.

1542
02:30:42.709 --> 02:31:03.879
<v Steve Novick>So what we did was sent the package without that housing amendment to full council, and full council can now— well, one thing I should note is that we passed— we stripped out The movement of $15 million, but there's some additional language, sort of conforming language that BPS has previously identified.

1543
02:31:04.135 --> 02:31:10.700
<v Steve Novick>So there's an amendment in front of you to conform the package, you know, as we sent it, to sort of true it up.

1544
02:31:12.064 --> 02:31:20.891
<v Steve Novick>And what this council could do now is we could simply adopt the conforming amendment and then adopt all the technical amendments and leave it alone.

1545
02:31:21.004 --> 02:31:21.950
<v Steve Novick>I think that's a good idea.

1546
02:31:22.433 --> 02:31:37.513
<v Steve Novick>And the effect of that would be that the money, the $15 million, is left in this pot for electric vehicle financing for another year, and then we'd see whether the committee comes forward and has another use for it.

1547
02:31:38.288 --> 02:31:43.150
<v Steve Novick>We could decide that we, the council, are going to take a different tack.

1548
02:31:44.251 --> 02:31:49.414
<v Steve Novick>I have one amendment that has a— that would use the whole $15 million for transportation.

1549
02:31:49.623 --> 02:31:49.834
<v Tyler Fellini>Uh-huh.

1550
02:31:50.388 --> 02:31:58.384
<v Steve Novick>Means, including the streetcar service retention and the James Beard Public Market.

1551
02:31:58.864 --> 02:32:01.958
<v Steve Novick>And I highlight those because they're both sort of time critical.

1552
02:32:02.005 --> 02:32:03.880
<v Steve Novick>Streetcar service is about to get cut.

1553
02:32:04.073 --> 02:32:06.813
<v Steve Novick>The James Beard Public Market is going to open next year.

1554
02:32:08.143 --> 02:32:16.138
<v Steve Novick>We also— that might— so I have one amendment that is sort of offered as a compromise, which I've not discussed with Councilor Avalos.

1555
02:32:16.572 --> 02:32:20.706
<v Steve Novick>Which would have basically half the money going to those 2 things and half the money going to housing.

1556
02:32:21.299 --> 02:32:36.954
<v Steve Novick>And then I have another proposal which has the whole thing going to transportation, but it includes also a proposal from Peabody Advocates— not Roger Geller at Peabody Advocates— to try to restore bike mode share to what it was in 2015.

1557
02:32:37.484 --> 02:32:50.096
<v Steve Novick>And also would give some money to TriMet to climate-proof some of their Overhead cable lines for the MAX station and some of their rail lines, that sort of both of which are under great stress under extreme weather.

1558
02:32:50.819 --> 02:32:57.823
<v Steve Novick>So I actually am going to suggest that we might not want to try to make a decision on this today.

1559
02:32:58.015 --> 02:33:07.845
<v Steve Novick>We might— it might make more sense to pass the conforming amendments, pass the technical amendments, and then have a broader discussion on another day.

1560
02:33:07.925 --> 02:33:08.085
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

1561
02:33:09.674 --> 02:33:12.318
<v Steve Novick>And maybe with sort of a preliminary discussion now.

1562
02:33:13.023 --> 02:33:25.030
<v Steve Novick>I also want to note that I think that this process raised significant issues as to, as Councilor Murillo said, how does council interact with the PCF staff and committee?

1563
02:33:25.847 --> 02:33:35.225
<v Steve Novick>Are we a rubber stamp, or do we, you know, stomp all over them with jackboots, or is there some intermediate way to behave?

1564
02:33:36.108 --> 02:33:51.018
<v Steve Novick>Originally, my hope was that council could send to PBOT committee, the PSF committee and staff, some transportation ideas that they could then review and get back to us fairly quickly with their assessment of them.

1565
02:33:51.531 --> 02:33:53.331
<v Steve Novick>They said that they don't want to do that.

1566
02:33:53.700 --> 02:33:57.604
<v Steve Novick>They only want to take up CIP amendments in their annual process.

1567
02:33:58.953 --> 02:34:10.261
<v Steve Novick>So I was hoping I was coming up with an idea to Have— it's where we're engaging with them, but that seemed, uh, not something they're willing to do on an interim basis.

1568
02:34:10.759 --> 02:34:13.120
<v Steve Novick>So that's the situation we're in.

1569
02:34:13.698 --> 02:34:30.274
<v Steve Novick>Um, and, uh, I, I move, um, the conforming amendments, uh, with the understanding that we might then have a debate about $15 million, but the conforming amendments are just to sort of make, uh, true up what's before you now and make it make sense and have all the Proper language.

1570
02:34:31.549 --> 02:34:32.599
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

1571
02:34:32.825 --> 02:34:37.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>And, uh, Councilor moved a, uh, the conforming amendment.

1572
02:34:37.441 --> 02:34:39.081
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, is there a second for that?

1573
02:34:41.778 --> 02:34:44.011
<v Jamie Dunphy>I, I will second it for the purposes of discussion.

1574
02:34:45.152 --> 02:34:46.261
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Avalos?

1575
02:34:48.542 --> 02:34:49.763
<v Candace Avalos>Okay, here we go.

1576
02:34:50.777 --> 02:34:51.211
<v Candace Avalos>Uh, thank you.

1577
02:34:51.260 --> 02:34:52.243
<v Candace Avalos>Yeah, I do have an amendment.

1578
02:34:53.192 --> 02:35:08.103
<v Candace Avalos>Um, we have discussed this item before us at length at the Climate Committee and multiple Climate Committee meetings, and, um, after hearing some of the arguments and suggestions, I am even more convinced that the best way to invest this $15 million is the PCEF Committee's original proposal.

1579
02:35:08.585 --> 02:35:16.524
<v Candace Avalos>So it's why I would like to move my amendment Avalos 1, which would restore those funding allocation recommendations delivered to us by the PCEF Committee.

1580
02:35:18.320 --> 02:35:24.621
<v Candace Avalos>Um, I have tried to be very clear over multiple committee meetings, and I'll repeat myself again here just since not all All of my colleagues sit on that committee.

1581
02:35:25.199 --> 02:35:29.046
<v Candace Avalos>I strongly support investments to decarbonize our transportation system.

1582
02:35:29.542 --> 02:35:36.003
<v Candace Avalos>What I don't support is yet another effort that puts the process and by association PSEF's purpose into question.

1583
02:35:36.066 --> 02:35:43.504
<v Candace Avalos>Let me also just make a quick note about the data on GHG emissions, because what continues to be stated is actually statewide data and not Portland data.

1584
02:35:44.032 --> 02:35:50.108
<v Candace Avalos>Emissions from buildings make up 53% of Portland's greenhouse gas emissions, while transportation emissions are 40%.

1585
02:35:50.220 --> 02:35:50.668
<v Candace Avalos>Councilmember Loretta Smith.

1586
02:35:51.343 --> 02:36:05.163
<v Candace Avalos>According to Portland's Climate and Energy Dashboard, transportation accounts for 40% of Portland's greenhouse gas emissions, while the combined building emissions— commercial at 24%, industrial at 11%, and residential at 18%— total 53%.

1587
02:36:06.528 --> 02:36:16.619
<v Candace Avalos>When voters overwhelmingly supported the creation of our groundbreaking Environmental Justice Fund, they also approved a governance structure designed to center community voices, not city bureaucrats or elected officials.

1588
02:36:17.075 --> 02:36:28.126
<v Candace Avalos>And that was intentional because in the old way of funding climate projects, small grassroots organizations like the one that I led never got their fair share, and neither did the frontline communities who experienced the greatest environmental harm.

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<v Candace Avalos>Through a structured, intentional review of the climate investment plan with staff analysis, public input, and deliberation, the PCEF committee arrived at the recommendations that I'm bringing in my amendment today.

1590
02:36:39.457 --> 02:36:43.315
<v Candace Avalos>They spent months reviewing implementation, readiness, and impact, and they worked through those trade-offs.

1591
02:36:43.833 --> 02:36:44.733
<v Candace Avalos>They debated options.

1592
02:36:44.861 --> 02:36:49.745
<v Candace Avalos>And then at what seems like the last minute, councilors were swooping in to propose their own ideas.

1593
02:36:49.858 --> 02:36:52.011
<v Candace Avalos>And I don't believe that that seems like good practice.

1594
02:36:52.349 --> 02:36:54.100
<v Candace Avalos>And I would hope that my colleagues could agree with that.

1595
02:36:54.757 --> 02:37:01.040
<v Candace Avalos>Because for me, that sends a dangerous signal that the oversight mechanisms and processes that govern PSF funds are optional.

1596
02:37:01.489 --> 02:37:08.104
<v Candace Avalos>And we are seeing the risks play out in real time that threaten the progress that's been made in our community to build climate resilience and reduce carbon emissions.

1597
02:37:08.558 --> 02:37:10.617
<v Candace Avalos>So does council have a role in shaping PSF priorities?

1598
02:37:10.665 --> 02:37:10.715
<v Candace Avalos>Yes.

1599
02:37:10.966 --> 02:37:14.962
<v Candace Avalos>Of course we do, but we have to follow the processes that are in place for a reason.

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02:37:15.139 --> 02:37:31.979
<v Candace Avalos>And when we are on the verge of the next climate investment plan process to set up the next 5 years of where we make these decisions for how to invest our dollars, I don't understand why we're treating a technical time-bound CIP adjustment as the place to ask bigger questions about proportionality, sector balance, and long-term strategy.

1601
02:37:32.414 --> 02:37:41.712
<v Candace Avalos>So I hope that my colleagues understand that what we're debating today has real implications for PSF's future beyond just this 50 $18 million, and why I'm urging you to support my amendment and would welcome a second.

1602
02:37:41.792 --> 02:37:42.099
<v Mitch Green>Second.

1603
02:37:42.853 --> 02:37:43.175
<v Candace Avalos>Thank you.

1604
02:37:44.139 --> 02:37:45.297
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Avalos moves her amendment.

1605
02:37:45.344 --> 02:37:46.438
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green seconds.

1606
02:37:47.559 --> 02:37:48.936
<v Jamie Dunphy>So we have some amendments on the table.

1607
02:37:50.680 --> 02:37:55.888
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, colleagues, we're going to move into, uh, are there additional amendments to present at this time?

1608
02:37:57.786 --> 02:37:58.586
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1609
02:37:59.746 --> 02:38:00.971
<v Loretta Smith>So when are we going to debate this?

1610
02:38:03.101 --> 02:38:09.522
<v Jamie Dunphy>We will We'll go to technical and clarifying questions, we'll get public testimony, then we'll come back and debate the individual amendments.

1611
02:38:10.920 --> 02:38:12.912
<v Jamie Dunphy>Excellent.

1612
02:38:13.074 --> 02:38:14.046
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Novick.

1613
02:38:15.601 --> 02:38:22.466
<v Steve Novick>Yes, I neglected to move my amendments Novick 2 and Novick 3, which I just described previously.

1614
02:38:24.030 --> 02:38:34.417
<v Steve Novick>Councilor— which allocates the full $15 million to transportation projects, and Novick 3, which allocates about half of it to the 2 urgent transportation projects I've mentioned.

1615
02:38:35.304 --> 02:38:38.362
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick moves Novick 2 and Novick 3.

1616
02:38:38.459 --> 02:38:39.136
<v Jamie Dunphy>Is there a second?

1617
02:38:40.828 --> 02:38:42.438
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'll second for purpose of debate.

1618
02:38:42.682 --> 02:38:46.971
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney seconds Novicks 2 and 3 for the purposes of debate.

1619
02:38:48.659 --> 02:38:56.298
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Murillo, and we are in technical and clarifying questions, which can be both to the amendments and to the underlying.

1620
02:38:58.282 --> 02:39:30.798
<v Angelita Morillo>I don't know if anyone is able to answer a technical question about— so if we move some of these dollars based on Councilor Novick's amendments, I got some information that some projects might— it was a little confusing because we were told that these dollars are not officially allocated, but then the presentation also said that these These home programs expect that these dollars would be there, and therefore it might end up killing those projects, and that's kind of concerning to me.

1621
02:39:31.934 --> 02:39:42.574
<v Angelita Morillo>So the ones that I had listed as potentially, like, if this doesn't move forward with the original allocation, would be Path Home Village, SEI, Mississippi Street Homes.

1622
02:39:43.573 --> 02:39:45.183
<v Angelita Morillo>And those are pretty critical to our community.

1623
02:39:45.327 --> 02:39:47.791
<v Angelita Morillo>Obviously, housing is a pretty big issue.

1624
02:39:47.841 --> 02:39:47.905
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

1625
02:39:49.611 --> 02:39:53.372
<v Angelita Morillo>Carbon production in housing is also a top issue.

1626
02:39:53.826 --> 02:39:57.394
<v Angelita Morillo>It's not just transportation, and I say that as someone who desperately loves and needs the bus.

1627
02:39:58.450 --> 02:40:03.450
<v Angelita Morillo>So I don't know if there's anyone who can answer that, but I think our offices received some info on that too.

1628
02:40:07.201 --> 02:40:09.481
<v Jamie Dunphy>I see Director Eric Engstrom coming up.

1629
02:40:09.611 --> 02:40:10.922
<v Jamie Dunphy>I also see Sam Barasso coming up.

1630
02:40:11.228 --> 02:40:11.520
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome.

1631
02:40:12.200 --> 02:40:18.042
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you for helping us navigate this, and please introduce Thanks, Tim.

1632
02:40:18.092 --> 02:40:20.093
<v Unidentified speaker>Director of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.

1633
02:40:20.754 --> 02:40:30.388
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, yeah, the debate or the discussion of, um, would this action, um, take money away from existing housing projects came up at the committee level.

1634
02:40:31.082 --> 02:40:50.475
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, technically the money has not been allocated to any particular housing project yet, but as some of you may know, housing finance is a long path, and so there are a number of projects that were anticipating the availability of this money And those may be affected or have to change their designs.

1635
02:40:51.138 --> 02:40:55.490
<v Unidentified speaker>But technically, there had been no promises or contracts signed with the money.

1636
02:40:56.346 --> 02:40:57.655
<v Unidentified speaker>Sam, if you have anything else to add.

1637
02:40:58.252 --> 02:40:59.286
<v Unidentified speaker>For the record, Sam Barrasso.

1638
02:40:59.882 --> 02:41:01.659
<v Unidentified speaker>I do not have anything to add at the moment.

1639
02:41:03.250 --> 02:41:03.522
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay.

1640
02:41:03.683 --> 02:41:05.788
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo, further follow-up?

1641
02:41:05.852 --> 02:41:06.864
<v Angelita Morillo>No, that answers my question.

1642
02:41:06.960 --> 02:41:07.331
<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

1643
02:41:07.700 --> 02:41:08.022
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1644
02:41:08.102 --> 02:41:09.435
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1645
02:41:11.781 --> 02:41:12.552
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

1646
02:41:13.649 --> 02:41:23.730
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I heard Councilor Novick say that what we have before us was moved from committee without the movement of the $15 million.

1647
02:41:23.826 --> 02:41:34.647
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I'm trying to understand if that means that that $15 million, if we pass what's before us today unamended, is still sitting in the transportation bucket.

1648
02:41:35.825 --> 02:41:44.502
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If it is sitting in committee still and hasn't been moved If so, what that means, because there's not a vehicle in committee to use it.

1649
02:41:44.583 --> 02:41:52.351
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I'm wondering if Councilor Novick, you can help me understand the technical nature of where the pieces of this are.

1650
02:41:54.110 --> 02:42:04.373
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I may look to the city attorney if there's some pieces that are still unclear, but I wanna make sure I understand where the dollars are if we take certain actions today.

1651
02:42:04.560 --> 02:42:04.697
<v Angelita Morillo>Okay.

1652
02:42:06.837 --> 02:42:09.469
<v Steve Novick>Can I answer that, Mr. President?

1653
02:42:09.566 --> 02:42:10.095
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please go ahead.

1654
02:42:11.396 --> 02:42:17.959
<v Steve Novick>Um, the dollars would remain in the pot they're in now, which is for financing for EV purchases.

1655
02:42:18.538 --> 02:42:22.662
<v Steve Novick>That is a program that has not been speedily moving ahead.

1656
02:42:22.743 --> 02:42:26.112
<v Steve Novick>I'm told that PCF still considers that a worthwhile program.

1657
02:42:26.979 --> 02:42:30.542
<v Steve Novick>My guess is that if it remains in that pot, it won't be spent in the next year.

1658
02:42:31.297 --> 02:42:41.382
<v Steve Novick>And but maybe at that point the program will have gotten underground, or maybe that by that point, uh, the PSF committee and staff will come up with another use for the money.

1659
02:42:41.960 --> 02:42:50.315
<v Steve Novick>But the effect of our adopting what's before us now, which stripped out that amendment, is simply that it stays in that transportation pot.

1660
02:42:51.293 --> 02:42:52.495
<v Steve Novick>So to be—.

1661
02:42:53.506 --> 02:43:01.255
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Yeah, so to be clear, when, when I have heard The committee moved forward everything except for that change.

1662
02:43:01.304 --> 02:43:06.072
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That doesn't mean that the committee is still holding onto that piece of the item to further debate.

1663
02:43:06.120 --> 02:43:09.861
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What it means is that that change was just reversed by the committee.

1664
02:43:10.149 --> 02:43:20.856
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It was amended by the committee to go back to the original location of those dollars, and the rest of the changes were adopted by the committee, but the entire package has been moved forward to full council.

1665
02:43:20.953 --> 02:43:21.772
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Is that correct?

1666
02:43:22.799 --> 02:43:23.378
<v Steve Novick>That is correct.

1667
02:43:23.458 --> 02:43:33.938
<v Steve Novick>The entire package Without that change, plus these conforming amendments to true up the language to make sure that all the documents reflect what we did with the $15 million.

1668
02:43:34.436 --> 02:43:36.047
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Okay, thank you.

1669
02:43:36.128 --> 02:43:41.152
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I think the questions that I thought I had for the city attorney then are no longer relevant.

1670
02:43:41.216 --> 02:43:42.951
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>That's different from how I had heard this before.

1671
02:43:43.100 --> 02:43:44.456
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I appreciate that, Council President.

1672
02:43:44.701 --> 02:43:45.665
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

1673
02:43:45.927 --> 02:43:46.532
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Knoll.

1674
02:43:48.731 --> 02:43:49.698
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1675
02:43:49.798 --> 02:44:07.631
<v Sameer Kanal>I have, uh, I don't know if it's a question or just a comment on for what was said by the staff who are up here, but the idea that there's anticipation is, I think, a challenge because what it does is it puts us in a position of saying no to something we never even heard about.

1676
02:44:08.403 --> 02:44:17.395
<v Sameer Kanal>And so in committee, we had people who are coming up saying we're taking money away that wasn't programmed because of the communication they received from the staff.

1677
02:44:17.459 --> 02:44:19.112
<v Sameer Kanal>And I have a major problem with that.

1678
02:44:19.161 --> 02:44:19.305
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

1679
02:44:20.027 --> 02:44:25.746
<v Sameer Kanal>I also think there are a few specific places in which the council being a rubber stamp is sort of required.

1680
02:44:25.795 --> 02:44:34.704
<v Sameer Kanal>We had a vote on the City of Gresham appointing a member to the Home Forward board, and like, it's their call who they appoint, but technically we have to approve it.

1681
02:44:35.025 --> 02:44:49.424
<v Sameer Kanal>And I want to understand as we go through this how and where our role is on PSAP, because if that's going to be what our role is, then I think we should be transparent about that and say, Everybody who has a thought on this, don't come talk to us, go talk to the PCEV committee.

1682
02:44:50.020 --> 02:44:51.465
<v Sameer Kanal>And that would be an honest thing to say.

1683
02:44:51.882 --> 02:44:57.889
<v Sameer Kanal>If on the other hand, it's council's final call, the jackboots example, then we should be transparent about that too.

1684
02:44:57.954 --> 02:44:59.786
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that's unfair to the PCEV committee.

1685
02:45:00.202 --> 02:45:02.114
<v Sameer Kanal>I think where we're— and frankly to the community.

1686
02:45:02.612 --> 02:45:17.326
<v Sameer Kanal>I think what we were talking about is if there is a desired change or simply a desire to not change the strategic program, just to change the specific program, within that for a pot of money that was allocated to something that wasn't being spent.

1687
02:45:19.537 --> 02:45:22.336
<v Sameer Kanal>What is the best way to engage with that conversation?

1688
02:45:22.385 --> 02:45:27.272
<v Sameer Kanal>Because it can't be councilors need to go attend the advisory committee's conversation.

1689
02:45:28.452 --> 02:45:31.457
<v Sameer Kanal>That's not as— that's not realistic here.

1690
02:45:31.745 --> 02:45:33.159
<v Sameer Kanal>It could be let's refer it back.

1691
02:45:33.674 --> 02:45:34.510
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think that's fair.

1692
02:45:34.655 --> 02:45:40.030
<v Sameer Kanal>The other thing that I have to point out is moving $15 million between 2 strategic programs is not a technical amendment.

1693
02:45:40.078 --> 02:45:40.275
<v Sameer Kanal>It's not.

1694
02:45:41.436 --> 02:45:46.950
<v Sameer Kanal>I think it's— we have to have that conversation with the understanding and acknowledgement that it is substantive.

1695
02:45:47.126 --> 02:45:51.436
<v Sameer Kanal>That doesn't mean that we have to agree with it or disagree with it, but I think we have to acknowledge that it's a big deal.

1696
02:45:52.494 --> 02:45:59.496
<v Sameer Kanal>And I think everybody in the city would understand if we said, hey, moving $15 million is something that deserves somebody to discuss and decide on it.

1697
02:46:00.025 --> 02:46:02.798
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's my framing conversation to this whole piece.

1698
02:46:03.390 --> 02:46:04.977
<v Sameer Kanal>I want to be understanding of it.

1699
02:46:05.025 --> 02:46:05.475
<v Sameer Kanal>I do think that it's a big deal.

1700
02:46:05.522 --> 02:46:05.906
<v Sameer Kanal>Councilor Smith.

1701
02:46:06.020 --> 02:46:18.924
<v Sameer Kanal>I have seen now some of these amendments and I'm broadly supportive of starting the conversation with something that makes sense by approving the technical conforming amendments and then having the discussion on the $15 million.

1702
02:46:19.356 --> 02:46:38.289
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm perfectly happy to do that, but I definitely had the concern that was raised by Councilor Novick during the committee, which is if we were to put this back into transportation with a specific specific set of issues, and this is my question, when would it be able to be spent?

1703
02:46:38.750 --> 02:46:44.507
<v Sameer Kanal>Because in the committee it came up that that might take another year or that it wouldn't be able to happen in the next fiscal year.

1704
02:46:45.186 --> 02:46:46.012
<v Sameer Kanal>It's the best way to put that.

1705
02:46:46.469 --> 02:46:46.630
<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

1706
02:46:46.824 --> 02:46:47.565
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

1707
02:46:47.935 --> 02:46:55.317
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, there's a lot of hands in the queue and I'm not clear if people are in technical or clarifying questions at this point.

1708
02:46:56.835 --> 02:46:57.727
<v Mitch Green>If you're not, please take it out.

1709
02:46:58.667 --> 02:46:59.296
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith?

1710
02:47:00.519 --> 02:47:00.695
<v Jamie Dunphy>No.

1711
02:47:00.792 --> 02:47:01.372
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, thank you.

1712
02:47:01.421 --> 02:47:04.318
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick, did you have another?

1713
02:47:05.365 --> 02:47:09.013
<v Steve Novick>Yes, I just wanted to respond to Councilor Kanal's question just now.

1714
02:47:09.888 --> 02:47:14.700
<v Steve Novick>If we decide to spend the money on certain transportation projects, that can start now.

1715
02:47:16.622 --> 02:47:30.665
<v Steve Novick>What would take a year is— my original suggestion was that council identify some transportation projects It would like the PCF committee to engage in reviewing and then get back to us.

1716
02:47:31.034 --> 02:47:35.075
<v Steve Novick>And they said, we don't want to do that except in our normal annual process.

1717
02:47:35.364 --> 02:47:37.129
<v Steve Novick>So if you want us to do that, that will take a year.

1718
02:47:38.411 --> 02:47:39.228
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for clarifying.

1719
02:47:39.277 --> 02:47:40.352
<v Sameer Kanal>Can I just put a finer point?

1720
02:47:40.415 --> 02:47:46.590
<v Sameer Kanal>So you're saying if we wanted to just decide where it goes, we could do that now, but if we wanted to engage with the committee, it would take a year?

1721
02:47:47.471 --> 02:47:47.872
<v Steve Novick>Exactly.

1722
02:47:48.192 --> 02:47:48.802
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you for clarifying.

1723
02:47:48.915 --> 02:47:50.759
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor.

1724
02:47:51.144 --> 02:47:51.689
<v Jamie Dunphy>Uh, Councilor Green.

1725
02:47:53.123 --> 02:47:55.120
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, Councilor Kanal, are you okay?

1726
02:47:56.569 --> 02:48:02.754
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue for technical or clarifying questions, uh, Keelan, do we have anyone signed up for public testimony?

1727
02:48:04.157 --> 02:48:06.706
<v Keelan McClymont>We, we do have folks signed up for public testimony.

1728
02:48:06.979 --> 02:48:12.737
<v Keelan McClymont>First up, we have Freda Walker, Marcus Mundy, and Brian Hoop.

1729
02:48:15.145 --> 02:48:16.460
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, come on up.

1730
02:48:16.626 --> 02:48:17.826
<v Jamie Dunphy>Please introduce yourselves for the record.

1731
02:48:18.059 --> 02:48:21.240
<v Jamie Dunphy>Feel free to share your preferred pronouns, and you have 3 minutes.

1732
02:48:26.309 --> 02:48:30.347
<v Unidentified speaker>Good afternoon, President Dunphy and members of the council.

1733
02:48:30.414 --> 02:48:35.007
<v Unidentified speaker>My name is Frida Walker, and I'm the Chief Compliance Officer with Self Enhancement Inc.

1734
02:48:35.573 --> 02:48:45.968
<v Unidentified speaker>I am here today to voice my strong support for Councilor Avalos' Amendment Number 1 to reinstate the full PCF recommendations, including transferring of the budget.

1735
02:48:47.772 --> 02:49:09.918
<v Unidentified speaker>The PSEF committee's recommendations were shaped by community volunteers who spent countless hours evaluating, conducting rigorous analyses, setting realistic implementation timelines, and engaging deeply with the community, all with a clear commitment to advance the PSEF fund's overall purpose.

1736
02:49:10.931 --> 02:49:12.584
<v Unidentified speaker>SEI fully shares that commitment.

1737
02:49:13.563 --> 02:49:18.020
<v Unidentified speaker>And today I want to emphasize a point that is essential in the integrity of this conversation.

1738
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<v Unidentified speaker>As you are aware, PCEP's mission is to fund community-driven climate solutions that reduce carbon emissions while centering frontline communities, especially low-income Portlanders and communities of color.

1739
02:49:32.061 --> 02:49:37.399
<v Unidentified speaker>Housing development and transportation decarbonization are both priorities within that mission.

1740
02:49:37.833 --> 02:49:38.666
<v Unidentified speaker>They are not in conflict.

1741
02:49:38.730 --> 02:49:38.890
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>Thank you.

1742
02:49:39.677 --> 02:49:46.167
<v Unidentified speaker>They are co-equal strategies to advance climate justice, reduce emissions, and build community resilience.

1743
02:49:46.602 --> 02:49:58.552
<v Unidentified speaker>That's why comparing these categories, treating housing and transportation as if they were complete competing or mutually exclusive, is neither productive nor necessary and ultimately harmful.

1744
02:49:59.050 --> 02:50:02.682
<v Unidentified speaker>Framing these areas as opponents do not strengthen PCF.

1745
02:50:02.762 --> 02:50:11.463
<v Unidentified speaker>It weakens the fund, undermines public confidence, and distracts from the goal maximizing climate impact for the communities who need it most.

1746
02:50:12.764 --> 02:50:19.472
<v Unidentified speaker>The reallocation of— from, uh, SP 13 to SP 1 reflects responsible stewardship.

1747
02:50:20.725 --> 02:50:23.181
<v Unidentified speaker>SP 1 resources have been fully committed.

1748
02:50:24.560 --> 02:50:29.793
<v Unidentified speaker>SP 13 resources, on the other hand, have not yet been committed to any projects.

1749
02:50:30.194 --> 02:50:40.059
<v Unidentified speaker>Adjusting the allocation now halfway through the 5-year climate investment plan ensures PSEF resources are deployed where they can have the greatest impact.

1750
02:50:42.290 --> 02:50:50.418
<v Unidentified speaker>Without the SP funding reallocation, I want to make this clear, and I'm actually going off my script.

1751
02:50:51.229 --> 02:50:59.388
<v Unidentified speaker>SEI and the others here today did not have a guarantee that these— we would get these dollars.

1752
02:50:59.977 --> 02:51:03.488
<v Unidentified speaker>Our projects were developed including them as a source.

1753
02:51:03.922 --> 02:51:09.309
<v Unidentified speaker>When you're stacking projects, it's very important to identify sources that are out there.

1754
02:51:09.373 --> 02:51:10.609
<v Unidentified speaker>It doesn't say you're going to get it.

1755
02:51:10.753 --> 02:51:12.565
<v Unidentified speaker>It does not say that you're going to get it.

1756
02:51:13.222 --> 02:51:24.784
<v Unidentified speaker>But I, I want to be clear that recommendations have come in from people that have worked, committed hours to the City of Portland, and we'd like to see that continue.

1757
02:51:24.849 --> 02:51:30.773
<v Unidentified speaker>We'd like to see you accept their recommendation because they're— they've been in the trenches in all of these discussions.

1758
02:51:31.272 --> 02:51:32.980
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you for your time and leadership.

1759
02:51:33.384 --> 02:51:34.287
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you so much for being here.

1760
02:51:36.659 --> 02:51:37.382
<v Unidentified speaker>Um, good afternoon.

1761
02:51:37.592 --> 02:51:38.925
<v Unidentified speaker>Oh, my turn, I guess.

1762
02:51:39.504 --> 02:51:46.479
<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, good afternoon, President Dunphy, councilors, City Administrator Lee, City Attorney, Clerk, everybody.

1763
02:51:47.064 --> 02:51:48.507
<v Unidentified speaker>I am, uh, Marcus Mundy.

1764
02:51:49.092 --> 02:51:53.270
<v Unidentified speaker>I am the executive director and a registered lobbyist for the Coalition of communities of color.

1765
02:51:54.057 --> 02:52:05.691
<v Unidentified speaker>We are an alliance of culturally specific organizations and have been a longtime advocate for PCEF since the initial ballot measure campaign, and we continue to work with partners at the Friends of PCEF table.

1766
02:52:06.397 --> 02:52:10.539
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you for all of your work to adopt the listed amendments to the climate justice plan.

1767
02:52:10.827 --> 02:52:18.483
<v Unidentified speaker>This was a robust, community-centered process that has resulted in recommendations to spend resources efficiently and effectively.

1768
02:52:18.531 --> 02:52:18.674
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1769
02:52:19.815 --> 02:52:32.307
<v Unidentified speaker>We are in full support of the amendment to allocate $15 million from the EV financing in SP 13 to SP 1 in order to adhere to the original recommendations of the Grant Committee.

1770
02:52:33.061 --> 02:52:58.818
<v Unidentified speaker>It replaces funding that was included in the original ordinance as recommended by the PCEP Committee, a $15 million reallocation from CIP Strategic Program 13 to Strategic Program 1, the Clean Energy in Regulated Multifamily Affordable Housing, which is making needed investments in energy efficiency and heat pumps for affordable housing projects that are already underway.

1771
02:52:59.683 --> 02:53:09.425
<v Unidentified speaker>As much as we respect and, and love and like the council and the committee members that proposed the change, we are in agreement with the original CIP proposal.

1772
02:53:10.003 --> 02:53:15.789
<v Unidentified speaker>However, we see this as a pivot that is an efficient and effective way to meet a community need.

1773
02:53:16.046 --> 02:53:22.602
<v Unidentified speaker>Affordable housing is desperately needed, as is reducing utility cost burdens for their future residents.

1774
02:53:23.003 --> 02:53:33.905
<v Unidentified speaker>Most importantly, that pivot emerged out of an extensive collaborative community engagement process, and that is why we are in strong support of Councilor Avalos's amendment.

1775
02:53:34.706 --> 02:53:37.078
<v Unidentified speaker>The amendment process began in June of '25.

1776
02:53:37.656 --> 02:53:45.091
<v Unidentified speaker>Held a public comment period in October and November, and the PCEP committee recommended the final proposal in December 25th.

1777
02:53:45.907 --> 02:53:47.461
<v Unidentified speaker>Process does matter.

1778
02:53:48.006 --> 02:53:51.051
<v Unidentified speaker>We need the voices of those who are most marginalized.

1779
02:53:51.531 --> 02:53:59.352
<v Unidentified speaker>This very intentional process is central to PCEP's foundational commitment to community-based climate solutions.

1780
02:54:00.009 --> 02:54:05.852
<v Unidentified speaker>We look forward to ongoing conversations with the City Council about engagement, and input as well.

1781
02:54:06.539 --> 02:54:09.560
<v Unidentified speaker>Otherwise, we should ask ourselves, why have a process?

1782
02:54:10.719 --> 02:54:14.795
<v Unidentified speaker>PCEP has evolved, but the CIP process remains the lodestar.

1783
02:54:15.423 --> 02:54:22.404
<v Unidentified speaker>We urge you to support Councilor Avalos's amendment that reinstates the original recommendation of the PCEP committee.

1784
02:54:22.715 --> 02:54:23.647
<v Unidentified speaker>And thank you for your time.

1785
02:54:23.941 --> 02:54:24.676
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1786
02:54:29.096 --> 02:54:33.378
<v Unidentified speaker>Council President Dunphy, Vice President Clark, members of council, my name is Brian Hoop.

1787
02:54:33.582 --> 02:54:35.477
<v Unidentified speaker>Executive Director of Housing Oregon.

1788
02:54:36.215 --> 02:54:44.549
<v Unidentified speaker>Housing Oregon is in support of the ordinance to amend the Portland Clean Energy Community Benefit Fund climate investment plan.

1789
02:54:44.740 --> 02:54:53.347
<v Unidentified speaker>I believe in support of Councilor Avalos's amendment or the original PCF recommendation to include the $15 million for strategic program number 1.

1790
02:54:54.454 --> 02:55:10.897
<v Unidentified speaker>Just for those who don't know, Housing Oregon is a statewide association of 147 Affordable housing and community development organizations representing the continuum of nonprofit homeless service organizations to multifamily rental and homeownership providers from across the state.

1791
02:55:11.876 --> 02:55:23.612
<v Unidentified speaker>So Portland still faces an affordable housing crisis, as we all know, and PCF resources utilized for affordable housing continue to be an essential component of climate infrastructure needs for the city of Portland.

1792
02:55:24.431 --> 02:55:33.477
<v Unidentified speaker>I understand the challenge councilors earlier have faced in committee weighing competing needs for PCF funding for transportation, affordable housing, and other needs.

1793
02:55:34.231 --> 02:55:42.204
<v Unidentified speaker>I can assure you that homeless that homeless services and affordable housing are also facing significant budget cuts in the state legislature as well.

1794
02:55:43.120 --> 02:55:48.879
<v Unidentified speaker>Homeless services last year received a 74% budget cut in the 2025 session.

1795
02:55:49.938 --> 02:55:56.514
<v Unidentified speaker>It has been estimated these additional PCF funds will support an estimated 580 additional high.

1796
02:55:56.659 --> 02:56:03.903
<v Unidentified speaker>Performance housing units benefiting low-income residents and households of color who are disproportionately impacted by climate change.

1797
02:56:04.559 --> 02:56:19.415
<v Unidentified speaker>Our members are ready to deploy these resources as they have already done successfully in the past several years in previous PCF grant cycles, and a significant percentage of those housing organizations that have received PCF funds have been culturally specific community-based organizations.

1798
02:56:20.471 --> 02:56:29.977
<v Unidentified speaker>And lastly, as Portland's affordable housing stock continues to age, and as new affordable housing homes are urgently needed, PSF resources are increasingly critical.

1799
02:56:30.253 --> 02:56:41.159
<v Unidentified speaker>Without these funds, many of these projects may not achieve full financing or could be built or retrofitted only to minimum code standards, resulting in higher utility costs for residents.

1800
02:56:41.659 --> 02:56:45.138
<v Unidentified speaker>So thanks for the opportunity to share my comments and for your public service.

1801
02:56:47.059 --> 02:56:47.760
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1802
02:56:48.365 --> 02:56:50.983
<v Keelan McClymont>Our last testifier is Alan Hipólito.

1803
02:56:55.610 --> 02:56:59.315
<v Jamie Dunphy>Welcome, Alan.

1804
02:57:07.450 --> 02:57:09.063
<v Unidentified speaker>Uh, buenas tardes, consejeras.

1805
02:57:09.159 --> 02:57:10.644
<v Unidentified speaker>Me llamo Alan Hipólito.

1806
02:57:10.933 --> 02:57:11.692
<v Unidentified speaker>I work for Summa.

1807
02:57:12.402 --> 02:57:15.548
<v Unidentified speaker>We use technology to fight poverty, racism, and climate change.

1808
02:57:15.612 --> 02:57:28.709
<v Unidentified speaker>Our Summa app is an e-commerce Marketplace where almost 2,500 low-income Portlanders buy essential expenses, overcoming privacy and other barriers that prevent these customers from using their phones to pay for food, transportation, and utilities.

1809
02:57:29.288 --> 02:57:35.549
<v Unidentified speaker>Sumi users took over 30,000 clean mobility rides in 2025, saving over $160,000.

1810
02:57:35.727 --> 02:57:42.439
<v Unidentified speaker>We know a little about building impactful transportation projects with PCEV priority populations.

1811
02:57:42.486 --> 02:57:42.614
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1812
02:57:43.193 --> 02:57:51.146
<v Unidentified speaker>I wanna state the position of the PCEF Coalition, the dozens of groups and hundreds of people who knocked on thousands of doors to pass the one-of-a-kind measure we're discussing today.

1813
02:57:51.788 --> 02:57:52.317
<v Unidentified speaker>You're welcome.

1814
02:57:53.395 --> 02:58:03.242
<v Unidentified speaker>We strongly support Councilor Avalos's amendment because it reinstates the original ordinance, which was developed by an inclusive process involving the PCEF Committee and public comment from community.

1815
02:58:03.996 --> 02:58:16.032
<v Unidentified speaker>Respecting community processes is the only path forward on this and future actions that aligns with the I was fortunate to help draft the initiative and serve as its campaign manager.

1816
02:58:16.433 --> 02:58:23.600
<v Unidentified speaker>Our coalition stayed involved as PSF hired staff, sat its grant committee, developed the CIP, and we're here right now.

1817
02:58:24.433 --> 02:58:26.341
<v Unidentified speaker>We're not stakeholders, we're your peers.

1818
02:58:26.757 --> 02:58:32.560
<v Unidentified speaker>We've got serious work to do together to meet the current moment while deepening the fund's community commitments.

1819
02:58:33.105 --> 02:58:35.735
<v Unidentified speaker>Many of you ran for office pledging to protect PSF.

1820
02:58:35.782 --> 02:58:35.895
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1821
02:58:36.167 --> 02:58:38.513
<v Unidentified speaker>I wanna tell you what that means to us.

1822
02:58:39.027 --> 02:58:40.601
<v Unidentified speaker>In this measure, we are very clear.

1823
02:58:41.194 --> 02:58:46.913
<v Unidentified speaker>This fund is dedicated to climate action led by communities on the front lines of climate change.

1824
02:58:47.379 --> 02:58:53.593
<v Unidentified speaker>To say our coalition prioritizes anything higher is to mischaracterize our position.

1825
02:58:54.445 --> 02:58:57.449
<v Unidentified speaker>To protect PCEF is to defend this commitment.

1826
02:58:58.139 --> 02:59:02.025
<v Unidentified speaker>PCEF is absolutely not about doing things for community.

1827
02:59:02.091 --> 02:59:02.218
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, it is.

1828
02:59:02.668 --> 02:59:12.200
<v Unidentified speaker>It's about doing things with community through processes that center their leadership because that's so clearly the best approach to getting climate justice results.

1829
02:59:12.843 --> 02:59:16.903
<v Unidentified speaker>The output of SP1 versus the output of SP13 is clear evidence of this.

1830
02:59:17.415 --> 02:59:22.872
<v Unidentified speaker>It's also evident in other underspent city bureau-led CIP strategic programs.

1831
02:59:23.754 --> 02:59:30.076
<v Unidentified speaker>Pivoting to discuss uses outside of the PCEFC Committee's recommendations is inherently problematic.

1832
02:59:30.574 --> 02:59:45.757
<v Unidentified speaker>It raises an enduring concern about the city making climate decisions without community, wholly substituting elected official or bureau director ideas for community ideas, which is exactly what things were like before PCEF.

1833
02:59:46.302 --> 02:59:52.476
<v Unidentified speaker>For these reasons, our coalition strongly, strongly opposes Councilor Novick's newest amendments.

1834
02:59:53.101 --> 02:59:59.596
<v Unidentified speaker>Decisions without community leadership weaken community power and are completely contrary to the PCEF initiative.

1835
03:00:00.061 --> 03:00:03.674
<v Unidentified speaker>Our coalition will strongly oppose such decisions forever.

1836
03:00:04.397 --> 03:00:09.887
<v Unidentified speaker>The truth is, we don't want to spend time convincing you we should be at the table.

1837
03:00:10.834 --> 03:00:16.020
<v Unidentified speaker>We want to spend time working with you to make good things happen for Portland.

1838
03:00:16.453 --> 03:00:18.427
<v Unidentified speaker>We hope you accept our sincere invitation.

1839
03:00:18.781 --> 03:00:19.085
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1840
03:00:19.888 --> 03:00:20.547
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

1841
03:00:21.029 --> 03:00:22.441
<v Keelan McClymont>That completes testimony.

1842
03:00:22.649 --> 03:00:24.977
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, colleagues, we're now going to move into discussion.

1843
03:00:25.041 --> 03:00:28.430
<v Jamie Dunphy>And just, I want to provide a little bit of clarification because there's been a I think we're ready to move forward.

1844
03:00:28.494 --> 03:00:28.896
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1845
03:00:28.992 --> 03:00:34.002
<v Jamie Dunphy>I know there's a lot of moving parts here, and I'm hoping that this is the order we can take up our 4 amendments that are on the table.

1846
03:00:34.836 --> 03:00:43.235
<v Jamie Dunphy>Specifically, Councilor Avalos' amendment would undo the decision in committee and would negate the need for a technical amendment.

1847
03:00:43.347 --> 03:00:50.059
<v Jamie Dunphy>And so I would like to— it is my intention to bring Councilor Avalos' proposal as a first vote for this council.

1848
03:00:50.558 --> 03:00:55.727
<v Jamie Dunphy>If that fails, then the technical amendment is necessary, and I will bring that amendment forward.

1849
03:00:56.819 --> 03:01:07.400
<v Jamie Dunphy>At that point, Councilor Novick has 2 competing allocation priority amendments, and we'll move to Novick 2 and Novick 3 in that order.

1850
03:01:08.476 --> 03:01:14.496
<v Jamie Dunphy>But for now, we're not moving to the debate of the specific amendments yet, but rather to the general council discussion.

1851
03:01:14.560 --> 03:01:20.807
<v Jamie Dunphy>And I will— folks who want to get in the queue are welcome to get in the queue to talk about either the amendments or the underlying.

1852
03:01:20.918 --> 03:01:21.191
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

1853
03:01:21.240 --> 03:01:21.449
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Mayor.

1854
03:01:23.310 --> 03:01:24.659
<v Mitch Green>I'm in the queue to talk about the underlying.

1855
03:01:24.788 --> 03:01:25.381
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, go ahead.

1856
03:01:25.896 --> 03:01:26.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>This is a good time.

1857
03:01:26.698 --> 03:01:28.784
<v Jamie Dunphy>Yeah, yeah, I'm curious.

1858
03:01:29.170 --> 03:01:32.588
<v Mitch Green>Um, so first of all, I'm going to support the Avalos amendment.

1859
03:01:32.941 --> 03:01:47.164
<v Mitch Green>Um, but I, I do want to ask the committee, uh, whether or not the, the question of SP 14— there's an amendment on SP 14 that is substantial in this update process— was that a point of discussion in the committee?

1860
03:01:47.275 --> 03:01:48.833
<v Mitch Green>Because I don't see it in the staff presentation.

1861
03:01:48.930 --> 03:01:57.361
<v Steve Novick>It's actually not I don't think we had a significant discussion of that.

1862
03:01:57.989 --> 03:02:03.575
<v Mitch Green>Yeah, can I have somebody from, um, the, the bureau staff come on up and maybe answer some questions for me?

1863
03:02:03.655 --> 03:02:10.844
<v Mitch Green>Maybe Sam or Eric would be great, and anyone from the PCF committee who's also here.

1864
03:02:13.420 --> 03:02:14.094
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

1865
03:02:14.193 --> 03:02:16.057
<v Mitch Green>Go ahead and introduce yourselves for the record.

1866
03:02:17.474 --> 03:02:19.813
<v Unidentified speaker>Eric Engstrom, Director of the Bureau of Planning and Sustainability.

1867
03:02:20.342 --> 03:02:22.713
<v Unidentified speaker>Sam Brosso, Program Manager for the Portland Clean Energy Fund.

1868
03:02:23.226 --> 03:02:26.783
<v Unidentified speaker>And James Valdez, Strategic Partnerships and Policy Manager for PSF.

1869
03:02:27.472 --> 03:02:27.728
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1870
03:02:27.808 --> 03:02:38.754
<v Mitch Green>So I'm asking the question because SP 14 is, by the amendment, Exhibit A of the amendment, a pretty substantial rewrite of SP 14.

1871
03:02:38.881 --> 03:03:03.511
<v Mitch Green>SP 14 in the last sort of community-driven update process was, um, was very much about providing— it to me is closer in the spirit of providing, um, you know, sort of financial products to the underserved, whereas what we're seeing now in this case is it's very much about providing flexible loan capital to office-to-residential conversions, some retrofit activities.

1872
03:03:03.575 --> 03:03:06.929
<v Mitch Green>And so I'm curious if you guys can give me a sense of what drove that change.

1873
03:03:07.490 --> 03:03:08.934
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, uh, Council President.

1874
03:03:09.272 --> 03:03:10.477
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1875
03:03:11.585 --> 03:03:32.934
<v Unidentified speaker>Essentially, when we looked at the— when you look at the broader climate investment plan, the original climate investment plan, Strategic Program 14 was always the place where we had essentially flexibility to provide complementary funding, gap funding, recognizing that we had been very prescriptive across several of our other buildings-focused programs around who the beneficiaries were and so forth.

1876
03:03:34.075 --> 03:03:47.819
<v Unidentified speaker>As we launched and developed those programs, What came to the surface is, for the most part, what we were seeing when we think about our more moderate and low-income households was the benefits we were directly targeting there were direct subsidies.

1877
03:03:48.398 --> 03:04:00.578
<v Unidentified speaker>And so as we started looking at what the financing mechanisms really serve, there wasn't, I would say that there wasn't a clear call-out that there still needed to be financing in that space.

1878
03:04:00.853 --> 03:04:04.737
<v Unidentified speaker>Now, That program will still have a consumer financing program.

1879
03:04:04.801 --> 03:04:08.920
<v Unidentified speaker>It's going to be more— we're still designing that and we're working consultants to design that element.

1880
03:04:08.984 --> 03:04:10.810
<v Unidentified speaker>So there's elements of that that remain.

1881
03:04:10.875 --> 03:04:16.371
<v Unidentified speaker>But as we worked with our colleagues and as we saw other opportunities come to the surface, office residential was one of those.

1882
03:04:16.484 --> 03:04:19.930
<v Unidentified speaker>We had in earnest begun working and understanding those projects.

1883
03:04:20.250 --> 03:04:27.316
<v Unidentified speaker>And so as we've gone down this and as you've heard some of the debate play out on the office residential space, what we attempted to do here is just bring more clarity for everyone.

1884
03:04:27.380 --> 03:04:27.477
<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

1885
03:04:27.765 --> 03:04:32.561
<v Unidentified speaker>Acknowledging this amendment would also set the stage for evaluating that more thoroughly.

1886
03:04:33.332 --> 03:04:42.507
<v Unidentified speaker>So it's taking what was ultimately a flexible program, learnings that we had where the need was less in that low and moderate income space in terms of financing.

1887
03:04:42.636 --> 03:04:49.084
<v Unidentified speaker>It was really our direct subsidies, which our other programs served, and then opportunistically leveraging where we did see demand and need.

1888
03:04:49.533 --> 03:04:52.422
<v Unidentified speaker>That isn't to say that is the only place, but that is the place where we saw those in the near term.

1889
03:04:52.469 --> 03:05:01.352
<v Unidentified speaker>Just to also add, I think there was some discussion last year year about transparency in that program because it did give us a wide berth for, for making decisions within the administration.

1890
03:05:01.400 --> 03:05:05.966
<v Unidentified speaker>And these amendments are, are for the sake of transparency, saying what we're intending to do with that.

1891
03:05:06.302 --> 03:05:18.956
<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that because that actually gets to my next question, which was that last May the mayor announced plans to use PCEF, particularly this fund, um, to support office-to-residential conversions.

1892
03:05:19.020 --> 03:05:23.459
<v Mitch Green>And as I read SP 14, I didn't I didn't see that actually as a mission of that bucket.

1893
03:05:23.540 --> 03:05:24.460
<v Mitch Green>So I was a little bit worried.

1894
03:05:24.832 --> 03:05:29.818
<v Mitch Green>So do you think that this was sort of an effort to true up the intention of how we're supposed to use that bucket of funds?

1895
03:05:31.620 --> 03:05:33.809
<v Unidentified speaker>It was— there was always enough flex.

1896
03:05:33.906 --> 03:05:38.915
<v Unidentified speaker>There was always— I think we just can acknowledge it has been discussions we've had with the Climate Committee as well.

1897
03:05:39.606 --> 03:05:40.605
<v Unidentified speaker>It was flexible.

1898
03:05:40.654 --> 03:05:47.933
<v Unidentified speaker>And so while we'd engaged with a couple early projects, this is certainly to be more clear that we could lean in further on office residential and true that up.

1899
03:05:48.238 --> 03:05:58.449
<v Unidentified speaker>So yes, so I want to just name there is this— that there was always a certain amount of room, but we wanted to be clear that of the $45 million, that if we were to go further, we need to be clear about that.

1900
03:05:58.761 --> 03:05:59.416
<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that.

1901
03:05:59.548 --> 03:05:59.745
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

1902
03:05:59.809 --> 03:06:06.165
<v Mitch Green>And then in the amended language, there's reference made to 2 Prosper Portland pilot projects.

1903
03:06:07.590 --> 03:06:11.454
<v Mitch Green>Previously, Prosper Portland has also talked about 2 pilot projects for office residentials.

1904
03:06:11.986 --> 03:06:28.856
<v Mitch Green>So am I to understand that these are maybe 2 other projects that could be funded from this pool, or this— or is this sort of a, um, maybe, um, pursuant to this idea of like saying, well, if this, this bucket of funds could maybe support those pilot projects that are already underway?

1905
03:06:29.290 --> 03:06:30.093
<v Mitch Green>How should I understand that?

1906
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<v Unidentified speaker>I believe the, the, the, the 2 projects that are currently under discussion are the 2 projects that I, I believe we're talking about the same 2 The Casket Building in Old Town, and then there's— And I think the Slate Building.

1907
03:06:44.441 --> 03:06:49.792
<v Unidentified speaker>And so those are the active projects currently where we're doing our evaluation to understand the benefits, the impacts, and so forth.

1908
03:06:50.293 --> 03:06:50.520
<v Mitch Green>Thanks.

1909
03:06:50.568 --> 03:06:57.293
<v Mitch Green>And then I think my last— I think this is more of a comment, and you guys can correct me maybe if I've missed the mark on it.

1910
03:06:57.343 --> 03:07:10.581
<v Mitch Green>But I think on its face, it seems to follow that preserving an existing building and saying let's transform office space into residential seems like it saves greenhouse gas, but I'm not convinced.

1911
03:07:11.093 --> 03:07:11.930
<v Mitch Green>I actually don't think it does.

1912
03:07:12.523 --> 03:07:17.984
<v Mitch Green>And I think that if the idea is to, um, to make the consideration— actually, we're seeing this a lot.

1913
03:07:18.079 --> 03:07:24.888
<v Mitch Green>This sort of narrative is a lot, um, when we think about stretching the use of PSF funds, is to say, well, the alternative is building something new.

1914
03:07:24.968 --> 03:07:26.863
<v Mitch Green>But, you know, the counterfactual matters.

1915
03:07:27.539 --> 03:07:31.488
<v Mitch Green>And if the alternative was never to build something new, then you're— we're kind of stretching the meaning here.

1916
03:07:32.099 --> 03:08:05.759
<v Mitch Green>Um, so when it comes to, um, carbon-abating the built environment, like changing the built environment to validate a land use approach that really does minimize carbon, then I think preserving a stock of building that has frankly pretty low density value and is surrounded by a bunch of, you know, surface parking lots in a part of the city that probably should just be torn down and rebuilt as a superblock with some high modern energy efficiency standards.

1917
03:08:06.868 --> 03:08:12.171
<v Mitch Green>I struggle to be convinced that there's the GHD nexus there that I think that we want to put.

1918
03:08:12.266 --> 03:08:16.895
<v Mitch Green>So I'm not going to try to amend or change this today because I think that's haphazard.

1919
03:08:16.942 --> 03:08:25.779
<v Mitch Green>I do want to respect the community process, but I do think I have an obligation to say this publicly as someone who's watching this stuff pretty critically because we're going to have more of of this, right?

1920
03:08:25.826 --> 03:08:37.373
<v Mitch Green>There's going to be more opportunities as we evolve down the road in our conversation around this about, um, saying this, this is eligible for PSF money because it, it saves GHS.

1921
03:08:37.453 --> 03:08:39.475
<v Mitch Green>It's like, well, you got to show your math, you know?

1922
03:08:40.277 --> 03:08:40.421
<v Mitch Green>Yeah.

1923
03:08:40.677 --> 03:08:43.355
<v Unidentified speaker>Council President, Councilor Green, if I can just do a quick response to that.

1924
03:08:43.484 --> 03:08:50.396
<v Unidentified speaker>I, I think what, um, what I will share is we feel fairly confident in the next 6 months we'll be having discussions with the PSF committee around studies.

1925
03:08:50.459 --> 03:08:53.503
<v Unidentified speaker>What we are exactly on that and evaluating what is the counterfactual.

1926
03:08:53.599 --> 03:08:54.566
<v Unidentified speaker>Would this building be demoed?

1927
03:08:54.985 --> 03:08:59.897
<v Unidentified speaker>If that was the case, what would be the delta in terms of emissions saved or sequestered or not?

1928
03:08:59.961 --> 03:09:04.559
<v Unidentified speaker>So I think that's frankly exactly the debate that the committee asked for and that we'll be having.

1929
03:09:05.202 --> 03:09:05.764
<v Mitch Green>I appreciate that.

1930
03:09:05.828 --> 03:09:06.166
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

1931
03:09:06.230 --> 03:09:07.887
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Green.

1932
03:09:08.385 --> 03:09:11.421
<v Jamie Dunphy>I apologize, Councilor Zimmerman, I meant to call you for your technical question.

1933
03:09:11.486 --> 03:09:11.843
<v Eric Zimmerman>That's okay.

1934
03:09:11.972 --> 03:09:12.281
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1935
03:09:16.347 --> 03:09:18.543
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm actually more on the technical side of my question.

1936
03:09:18.620 --> 03:09:19.134
<v Eric Zimmerman>Questions here.

1937
03:09:19.229 --> 03:09:25.271
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I want to make sure I've got an understanding for, uh, just the housing.

1938
03:09:25.318 --> 03:09:29.313
<v Eric Zimmerman>So Exhibit A went to the Climate and Land Use Committee.

1939
03:09:29.604 --> 03:09:30.254
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm getting nods.

1940
03:09:30.301 --> 03:09:30.561
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

1941
03:09:31.600 --> 03:09:34.614
<v Eric Zimmerman>Novick passed an amendment to that.

1942
03:09:36.056 --> 03:09:51.113
<v Eric Zimmerman>And can somebody tell me, what does proposed conforming amendment— and that's used for 2 of our documents— what does proposed conforming amendment mean in this, in this thank you, Council President Dunphy and Councilor Zimmerman.

1943
03:09:51.710 --> 03:10:07.853
<v Unidentified speaker>The conforming proposed amendment takes the amendment that Councilor Novick had, had put forward in the Climate, Land Use, and Resilience Committee, which was not specific in its language but said to revert the funding allocations back to the original.

1944
03:10:08.485 --> 03:10:17.262
<v Unidentified speaker>But then that also required that the city's some changes in that, that Exhibit A that we went and conformed to that change.

1945
03:10:17.502 --> 03:10:26.606
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay, so Novick moved big numbers, you put the details behind it, and that is what Proposed Conforming Amendment Attachment A and Proposed Conforming Amendment Exhibit A are?

1946
03:10:26.896 --> 03:10:27.072
<v Unidentified speaker>Correct.

1947
03:10:27.297 --> 03:10:33.174
<v Unidentified speaker>The exhibit is the explanation summary of the redlined document that is the exhibit.

1948
03:10:33.415 --> 03:10:35.908
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you everybody for riding along while I Am I caught up?

1949
03:10:36.152 --> 03:10:36.395
<v Eric Zimmerman>Okay.

1950
03:10:36.783 --> 03:10:46.198
<v Eric Zimmerman>Uh, and Councilor Avalos, you want to go all the way back to the beginning, what was submitted, Exhibit A, to the Climate Committee?

1951
03:10:46.618 --> 03:10:46.715
<v Rebecca Dobert>Yes.

1952
03:10:47.038 --> 03:10:48.800
<v Eric Zimmerman>Got it.

1953
03:10:50.110 --> 03:10:55.931
<v Eric Zimmerman>There is one aspect, Councilor Novick, that is confusing to me in the documents that were handed to me.

1954
03:10:57.961 --> 03:11:12.271
<v Eric Zimmerman>In what I'm noting in both Novick 2 and 3 are 4 bullet points, but in Novick 2 it adds— it looks like it adds TriMet.

1955
03:11:12.398 --> 03:11:18.602
<v Eric Zimmerman>And Novick 3, it's got similar items, but there's a difference in the 4th bullet.

1956
03:11:18.746 --> 03:11:23.337
<v Eric Zimmerman>One talks about PBOT and one talks about SP1, and also the numbers are different.

1957
03:11:23.434 --> 03:11:36.488
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'm a little confused, Councilor Novick, and I was hoping that once again, we can just get exactly— if Novick 2 passes and then Novick 3 passes, does it completely supplant what Novick 2 looks like?

1958
03:11:37.002 --> 03:11:38.541
<v Eric Zimmerman>It is to me, I'm a little bit confused here.

1959
03:11:39.391 --> 03:11:41.766
<v Steve Novick>They are, they are alternate proposals.

1960
03:11:42.424 --> 03:11:42.761
<v Unidentified speaker>Okay.

1961
03:11:43.066 --> 03:11:49.290
<v Steve Novick>Novick 2 would allocate all of the $15 million to various transportation projects.

1962
03:11:50.541 --> 03:12:04.609
<v Steve Novick>Novick 3 would only allocate about half of the money to transportation projects, in particular the James Beard Public Market decarbonization proposal and the preservation of streetcar service proposal.

1963
03:12:05.798 --> 03:12:11.261
<v Steve Novick>So that— what Novick himself would really like is Novick 2.

1964
03:12:11.566 --> 03:12:14.076
<v Steve Novick>What Novick is suggesting is kind of a compromise, is Novick 3.

1965
03:12:16.433 --> 03:12:17.022
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you.

1966
03:12:20.299 --> 03:12:28.592
<v Eric Zimmerman>I fully support any help that gets our MAX lines moving in our heat environments.

1967
03:12:28.737 --> 03:12:35.736
<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's an important— or it's a critical failure, right, just of a system that has evolved to how hot it is in Portland.

1968
03:12:36.558 --> 03:12:44.927
<v Eric Zimmerman>I am challenged by— in a world where we have to make choices, I'm challenged by housing priorities.

1969
03:12:45.110 --> 03:12:48.361
<v Eric Zimmerman>Projects in one hand and train lines in the other.

1970
03:12:49.150 --> 03:12:56.072
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think I'm leaning toward housing for me is, is a, is where I would put my resources if they were finite.

1971
03:12:57.796 --> 03:13:05.248
<v Eric Zimmerman>So, um, Council President, that's, that's it for my, my technical questions.

1972
03:13:05.297 --> 03:13:21.931
<v Eric Zimmerman>I just— there, there's this strange underlying kind of tone sometimes when we talk about PCF, and I offer this up just as you know, it at times makes me more skeptical of things than I think really has to be the case.

1973
03:13:22.027 --> 03:13:56.487
<v Eric Zimmerman>But I find it a little strange that I understand that at the committee, some members of, and I'm going to use a broad swath here not to pinpoint anybody, but the idea that council doesn't have a budgetary decision-making authority on selecting projects, that the end-all be-all ends with with the PCEF committee has gotten us into kind of a strange space sometimes in these topics that I, I think is making it seem, um, uh, it seems to be like a way of pitting things against, or you are either for or against the climate.

1974
03:13:56.536 --> 03:14:03.025
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I just find that to be a very strange thing and not something that we really see with as many of our other advisory groups.

1975
03:14:03.091 --> 03:14:16.968
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I would just encourage that, you know, public testimony and those that come to work and the groups who work in Um, you know, groups advise up to and to the City Council, and I think that's an important process that we have all the way through.

1976
03:14:17.674 --> 03:14:28.126
<v Eric Zimmerman>Not that I think that that's necessarily being changed here, but I do think that the, the vibe we put, the energy we put into the room can sometimes, can sometimes sway how this is discussed.

1977
03:14:28.190 --> 03:14:34.184
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so, uh, with that, I'm going to be all ears to everybody, uh, as you guys discuss these amendments.

1978
03:14:34.233 --> 03:14:34.361
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

1979
03:14:34.585 --> 03:14:36.828
<v Eric Zimmerman>I appreciate y'all helping me clarify.

1980
03:14:36.908 --> 03:14:37.887
<v Eric Zimmerman>Thank you to the staff.

1981
03:14:38.432 --> 03:14:39.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

1982
03:14:39.889 --> 03:14:40.738
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

1983
03:14:42.212 --> 03:14:43.318
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you, Council President.

1984
03:14:43.736 --> 03:14:50.226
<v Loretta Smith>I'd just like to say, um, I fully support the decision, uh, regarding the Avalos amendment.

1985
03:14:50.691 --> 03:14:52.981
<v Loretta Smith>Uh, in fact, I'd like to be a co-sponsor of it.

1986
03:14:53.831 --> 03:14:55.402
<v Loretta Smith>We are in a housing crisis.

1987
03:14:56.331 --> 03:16:04.582
<v Loretta Smith>It is essential that community-based developers are afforded the opportunity given that PSEF's established mission of promoting energy efficiency, decarbonization, and community climate resilience, along with its history of significant annual funding allocations for affordable housing developers, is justifiable reasons to anticipate that following the extensive committee process and analysis, that recommendations to reallocate funds to SP1 in October 2025— and this recommendation was sub— subsequently ratified by the full committee in December 2025— it just tells me that this project and these projects have been totally relying on these expectations, the community-based developers confidently made financial commitments to their housing projects.

1988
03:16:05.781 --> 03:16:09.816
<v Loretta Smith>And I believe that we should stand behind them.

1989
03:16:10.416 --> 03:16:15.079
<v Loretta Smith>They will be supporting programs in, in District 1, District 2, District 3.

1990
03:16:16.656 --> 03:16:31.933
<v Loretta Smith>HomePath, Hacienda, Mississippi Street Homes, SEI, OMSI— they have all undergone a thorough community process, and we should stand alongside them and have those projects funded.

1991
03:16:32.655 --> 03:16:33.153
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

1992
03:16:34.244 --> 03:16:35.077
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

1993
03:16:35.157 --> 03:16:38.078
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I will note that it is, uh, 12:42 at this time.

1994
03:16:38.191 --> 03:16:44.465
<v Jamie Dunphy>I want to make sure everybody has time to have a lunch break and our staff can get out of here, uh, before we come back for a work session this afternoon.

1995
03:16:44.529 --> 03:16:48.042
<v Jamie Dunphy>So I'm hoping we can move to vote relatively quickly.

1996
03:16:48.236 --> 03:16:49.123
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

1997
03:16:51.060 --> 03:16:52.610
<v Steve Novick>Yes, a few points.

1998
03:16:53.158 --> 03:17:08.819
<v Steve Novick>One is that there was an elaborate public community process to adopt the original CIP, which included a measly 17% of the money for transportation decarbonization, even though transportation represents, as Councilor Avalos noted, 40% of emissions.

1999
03:17:11.493 --> 03:17:21.047
<v Steve Novick>The PCF committee and staff are proposing to change the CIP by moving money from one significant pot to another.

2000
03:17:22.090 --> 03:17:28.416
<v Steve Novick>If the city council has no right to weigh in on a decision like that, then we are just a rubber stamp.

2001
03:17:28.817 --> 03:17:35.513
<v Steve Novick>And as Councilor Kamal suggested, we should just tell people anything to do with PCF, talk to the committee and the staff, don't talk to us.

2002
03:17:35.577 --> 03:17:35.721
<v Olivia Clark>Thank you.

2003
03:17:37.985 --> 03:17:56.641
<v Steve Novick>I also want to note that I told the committee and PCF staff in December— in fact, I think I told them earlier, but I know I told them in December— that I was concerned about this move and that I was going to look for other transportation ways to spend the money.

2004
03:17:57.218 --> 03:17:58.486
<v Steve Novick>This was not a last-minute thing.

2005
03:17:59.865 --> 03:18:04.996
<v Steve Novick>I want to analogize what's going on here to a children's levy hypothetical.

2006
03:18:05.656 --> 03:18:12.557
<v Steve Novick>As you recall, I didn't understand why we were— why some folks thought we should override the process of the children's levy.

2007
03:18:12.750 --> 03:18:20.138
<v Steve Novick>I just didn't understand what the rationale was of overriding what the various advisory committees said.

2008
03:18:21.202 --> 03:18:54.156
<v Steve Novick>However, if we were in the middle of a children's levy process and council had approved a proposal that 60% of the money go to programs for kids 1 to 5 and 40% of the money go to kids 6 to 18, if that was what we had approved, and then the Children's Levy Committee came back and said, actually, we think it should be 50/50, kids 5 and under and kids 6 to 18, then I would have thought that was a significant change that council would have a right to weigh in on.

2009
03:18:54.734 --> 03:18:57.619
<v Steve Novick>I would not have said Nope, all power to the children's levy committees.

2010
03:18:57.796 --> 03:18:58.763
<v Steve Novick>We can't even question it.

2011
03:18:59.989 --> 03:19:10.969
<v Steve Novick>I also want to note that one of the projects I'm proposing funding and preventing cuts to the streetcar does benefit low-income people and people of color to a great extent.

2012
03:19:11.518 --> 03:19:13.953
<v Steve Novick>There's 9,000 riders on the streetcar.

2013
03:19:14.763 --> 03:19:19.193
<v Steve Novick>40% Of them have incomes below $33,000 a year.

2014
03:19:19.664 --> 03:19:20.665
<v Steve Novick>That's 3,600 people.

2015
03:19:21.564 --> 03:19:23.426
<v Steve Novick>29% Of them are people of color.

2016
03:19:23.891 --> 03:19:25.336
<v Steve Novick>That's 2,600 people.

2017
03:19:26.059 --> 03:19:35.452
<v Steve Novick>So, but the, the, um, so it is not a matter of the transportation projects do not benefit low-income people and people of color.

2018
03:19:36.754 --> 03:19:45.778
<v Steve Novick>So, I mean, that's— I mean, I think that there's a strong case for continuing to spend a measly 17% of the overall money in transportation.

2019
03:19:46.194 --> 03:19:48.620
<v Steve Novick>I think I think there are specific worthy transportation projects.

2020
03:19:49.245 --> 03:19:54.720
<v Steve Novick>I think that we should not be saying that council has to be a rubber stamp for the PSF committee.

2021
03:19:55.603 --> 03:20:02.764
<v Steve Novick>And one other thing I wanted to mention is that as far as the original intent of PSF, it's called the Portland Clean Energy Fund.

2022
03:20:03.391 --> 03:20:11.629
<v Steve Novick>In the measure itself and all the ballot— in all the voters' pamphlet arguments about it, it led with clean energy projects and building efficient buildings.

2023
03:20:11.676 --> 03:20:14.494
<v Steve Novick>Councilmember energy efficiency and that kind of thing was always the second thing on the list.

2024
03:20:15.185 --> 03:20:18.388
<v Steve Novick>The fact is that we spent very little of the PSF money.

2025
03:20:18.727 --> 03:20:22.174
<v Steve Novick>So I think that most Portlanders thought that a big chunk of this money was going to go to solar panels.

2026
03:20:22.771 --> 03:20:23.675
<v Steve Novick>Very little has.

2027
03:20:24.240 --> 03:20:31.387
<v Steve Novick>So I just want to note that it's not as if the original— the voters who approved PSF thought all the money was going to building efficiency.

2028
03:20:31.825 --> 03:20:34.172
<v Steve Novick>In fact, they thought a lot of it was going to go to something it hasn't gone to at all.

2029
03:20:36.378 --> 03:20:36.747
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

2030
03:20:36.815 --> 03:20:37.167
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

2031
03:20:38.238 --> 03:20:39.467
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

2032
03:20:39.790 --> 03:20:40.646
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2033
03:20:41.567 --> 03:20:42.908
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

2034
03:20:46.472 --> 03:20:54.683
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We are looking at a very small amount of the money in here, and that's just one part of the work that PCF does.

2035
03:20:54.940 --> 03:21:07.634
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I want to frame this conversation in that because I have a very strong commitment to the community grants within PCF being solely driven by community.

2036
03:21:07.730 --> 03:21:14.908
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I also am looking at a CIP that was built in collaboration between PCF and the previous council.

2037
03:21:17.043 --> 03:21:26.992
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>The CIP had council's hands on it the first time around, not this council but the last one, and it was done, I believe, in coordination with the PCF committee when it was moved forward.

2038
03:21:28.507 --> 03:21:34.109
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I understand the frustration with the process here of an amendment after PCF recommendations came in.

2039
03:21:36.454 --> 03:21:50.996
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we need to figure out how we respect the community-driven process that, like I said, must be the final word on the community grants, but also respect that collaboration that we had in the building of the original CIP between PCF and council.

2040
03:21:52.523 --> 03:22:12.622
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>What I see before us in fact includes some collaboration between PCF Committee and an elected leader, between the PCF Committee and the mayor, on the part that, as Councilor Green pointed out, moves money to be more clearly in line with the mayor's goals around commercial to residential buildings.

2041
03:22:13.311 --> 03:22:26.603
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So this is not without collaboration with elected leaders, and I'd like us to put an end to the narrative that council shouldn't weigh in because that wasn't the case the first time around, and it certainly hasn't been the case with the mayor this time around.

2042
03:22:27.310 --> 03:22:33.880
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We're considering a move of millions of dollars that it's important for us to talk about.

2043
03:22:35.117 --> 03:22:44.417
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>To be clear, my district stands to lose a significant amount of needed housing and investment if we don't pass Councilor Avalos's amendment.

2044
03:22:45.702 --> 03:22:57.191
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I have heard from folks in my district That have already begun moving through the permit review process with plans that depend on these funds.

2045
03:22:58.413 --> 03:23:08.449
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And we can debate whether they should have done that or not before we approved the funds, but the reality is that's what's happening, and we stand to lose momentum and lose time.

2046
03:23:09.236 --> 03:23:14.837
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But I think there's a bigger question that I want to ask some, some pieces about, Council President, if that's all right.

2047
03:23:14.950 --> 03:23:15.014
<v Angelita Morillo>Yes.

2048
03:23:15.847 --> 03:23:16.040
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

2049
03:23:16.217 --> 03:23:17.164
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2050
03:23:17.773 --> 03:23:21.641
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>We heard from one testifier that this restores the original CIP plan.

2051
03:23:22.844 --> 03:23:35.332
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And while it restores the PCF investments, I see the original CIP plan as having $15 million more invested in transportation funds than what came from PCF to us.

2052
03:23:36.423 --> 03:23:39.343
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So I want to understand the process a little bit.

2053
03:23:40.500 --> 03:23:48.564
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Am I correct that the original CIP that allocated funding transportation projects was approved by both council and the PCEF committee?

2054
03:23:51.097 --> 03:23:51.404
<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

2055
03:23:51.595 --> 03:23:52.238
<v Unidentified speaker>Council President.

2056
03:23:52.399 --> 03:23:52.800
<v Unidentified speaker>Councilor.

2057
03:23:52.881 --> 03:23:54.487
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2058
03:23:55.853 --> 03:24:09.431
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And when the PCEF committee looked at making these updates, was there any conversation about other transportation projects that could achieve our greenhouse gas emission goals in the transportation sector?

2059
03:24:10.256 --> 03:24:16.788
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Before conversation about moving that money from a transportation strategic priority to a housing strategic priority?

2060
03:24:18.559 --> 03:24:25.208
<v Unidentified speaker>Yes, as they evaluated, and I wanna just set the context, they do this evaluation annually.

2061
03:24:25.322 --> 03:24:30.727
<v Unidentified speaker>We're setting that up so we can do it in an annual timeframe, not reopen the entire plan itself.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And as they did that, they did evaluate some transportation projects that we knew would need funding from PBOT.

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03:24:38.459 --> 03:24:44.227
<v Unidentified speaker>And the timing is such— I'm happy to provide context also— the timing as such weren't right for those projects.

2064
03:24:44.340 --> 03:24:49.209
<v Unidentified speaker>And so they said when those projects are right, we will consider those next year in our amendment process.

2065
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<v Unidentified speaker>But they did consider a handful of transportation projects.

2066
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Do we expect there to be funding available to this degree next year that we could put toward transportation projects?

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03:24:59.829 --> 03:25:10.518
<v Unidentified speaker>What we have signaled in the work we've done with the committee is we are just By the time we get to this process again next fall, summer, fall, we will be closing out year 2 of the CIP.

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<v Unidentified speaker>We will have better line of sight into how funding is going, spending is going on our programs and projects.

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03:25:16.291 --> 03:25:27.727
<v Unidentified speaker>And we think it's probably a more substantive process this coming year to make adjustments at a larger, potentially at a larger scale, depending on the information that comes back from programs in that year 2 phase.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So I think it's fair to say that this will not be the only chance.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Thank you.

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<v Unidentified speaker>In year 1, to be clear, Eric Engstrom for the record, we were intentionally fairly conservative about identifying underspending in programs in year 1 because we know everyone's trying to ramp up those programs.

2073
03:25:44.248 --> 03:25:48.156
<v Unidentified speaker>So it's not a real fair question to ask if you're falling behind on spending in year 1.

2074
03:25:48.286 --> 03:25:54.247
<v Unidentified speaker>But in this case, there was a clarity that we hadn't initiated that program fast enough to fully spend the money.

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03:25:55.783 --> 03:26:01.418
<v Unidentified speaker>So Sam's right, next year, in year 2, each year I think we'll have better line of sight into where there's actual underspending.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

2077
03:26:03.010 --> 03:26:09.656
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And did the PCF committee consider any of the transportation proposals that Councilor Novick has put forward?

2078
03:26:10.395 --> 03:26:12.658
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>If so, why did they reject them?

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03:26:12.754 --> 03:26:22.099
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And if not, is that because they weren't ripe and we didn't know about the need at the time, or because the PCF committee wasn't interested in such proposals, or for some other reason?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Council President, Councilor, I'll relay what I understand, and I acknowledge that our Our co-chair, committee co-chairs are not here.

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03:26:30.289 --> 03:26:35.103
<v Unidentified speaker>They went through a process that began in July and concluded really in December with their recommendation.

2082
03:26:35.876 --> 03:26:41.720
<v Unidentified speaker>I think this has been a work to figure out how do we balance and work with the committee, work with you all.

2083
03:26:41.769 --> 03:26:43.476
<v Unidentified speaker>And there's work to refine that process.

2084
03:26:43.540 --> 03:26:44.522
<v Unidentified speaker>We hear that loud and clear.

2085
03:26:45.150 --> 03:26:57.131
<v Unidentified speaker>But to do that ahead of the budget process, what they were— what we heard from them is we make a recommendation, you don't like the recommendation, you just send it back to us and tell us to go bring me another, you know, in a way, bring me something else.

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03:26:57.180 --> 03:26:57.939
<v Unidentified speaker>I think that's not what we're saying.

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03:26:59.322 --> 03:27:01.539
<v Unidentified speaker>That isn't sustainable for a volunteer body.

2088
03:27:01.652 --> 03:27:06.922
<v Unidentified speaker>And so they were saying if this recommendation isn't taken up, that's fine, that's council's prerogative.

2089
03:27:07.515 --> 03:27:15.727
<v Unidentified speaker>But then we will next year in our process, we'll reengage our process, start the clock, start the process again, make tweaks in that and reconsider.

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03:27:16.513 --> 03:27:30.362
<v Unidentified speaker>Just, Sam, to add to that, some of the specific ideas that Councilor Novick generated had not come up, that had not Arisen yet, and I think there's been greater clarity over transit funding in general as the years progress.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So, um, that it's fair that some of these are new needs that hadn't been identified at the time.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So they couldn't have been a part of that process?

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03:27:38.505 --> 03:27:39.067
<v Unidentified speaker>That's correct.

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03:27:39.148 --> 03:27:40.738
<v Unidentified speaker>They made the recommendation December 10th.

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03:27:41.316 --> 03:27:44.111
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Um, and I apologize if this sounds like a grilling.

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03:27:44.224 --> 03:27:45.108
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>It's not meant to be.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I just, I want to understand where we're at because I am concerned that we're moving money away from needed I am also concerned that I've got projects in my district that are now depending on funding.

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03:27:59.992 --> 03:28:08.851
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So did the recommendation to move money from transportation to housing, did that begin as a staff recommendation?

2099
03:28:09.028 --> 03:28:13.521
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Did that come from the PCEF committee through organic deliberation?

2100
03:28:13.634 --> 03:28:17.206
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Did that come from community groups saying, hey, we'd like the money over here?

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<v Olivia Clark>Yes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Here, if there's any extra money anywhere, what can you do?

2103
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>How did this change come to be part of the recommendations?

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<v Unidentified speaker>We first worked with the PSF committee to come up with a framework for how they would consider recommendations.

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03:28:32.676 --> 03:28:37.895
<v Unidentified speaker>And ultimately, a lot of what their work was doing is figuring out how do they evaluate existing programs.

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03:28:38.347 --> 03:28:46.377
<v Unidentified speaker>As part of that evaluation, we went through our 37 strategic programs in our community grants process and gave them A read on where the status was across programs.

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<v Unidentified speaker>At that point, they then zeroed in on about 4, about half a dozen programs that they dove into.

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03:28:52.399 --> 03:28:58.778
<v Unidentified speaker>What was clear is Strategic Program 1, our program focused on affordable housing, and we communicated this, is fully allocated.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So the conversation started with, okay, there's clear demand here.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And then we focused on where was there clearly that sort of polar opposite, where were there more challenges or just—.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Challenges.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And so we had a clear conversation with them on what the reality was of that existing program and our ability to deploy that $35 million in the EV financing program.

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03:29:19.813 --> 03:29:29.469
<v Unidentified speaker>So that's where they ultimately surfaced that reasoning of why don't we move funding from the EV financing program to this program to meet this clear need that exists within this framework.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>So it was a staff recommendation that more money was needed here, that less money was needed here, and then a committee decision to say then let's move it rather than say let's look at other transportation things and other funding options here?

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<v Unidentified speaker>I would say we provided them a status on where programs were, and I think that that naturally leads to that conclusion, correct.

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<v Unidentified speaker>Part of this, again, Eric Kingstrom for the record, part of this was that the way we framed the discussion was not a call for new ideas.

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03:29:55.271 --> 03:29:59.055
<v Unidentified speaker>It was a call of evaluating existing programs that were part of the CIP.

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<v Unidentified speaker>So that's maybe a learning we have in Retrospect about the process.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>But thank you, that's helpful clarity.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And if I may just add, I think as you all— as you all will see as we get into the 2027 development process for the next CIP, for every one idea there is another 10, 20 ideas.

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<v Unidentified speaker>And I think we strive to create a process that could be replicable year to year for the committee to make adjustments year to year of the life of the current CIP, knowing that That broader full-scale redo is gonna happen and it takes more work.

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<v Unidentified speaker>I just wanna acknowledge that the challenges of running a process in this way and being responsive to the moment.

2123
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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I know there are things we need to be working on now, both for the year 2 adjustments in this CIP and as we start to think about the next CIP.

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03:30:47.911 --> 03:31:03.283
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>And I hope that if we are— if this body ends up voting to move money out of transportation, transportation today, that the PCF committee is willing to work with us to look at some really deep investments in transportation decarbonization in those future processes.

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<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I don't know where the vote today will land, but I do know that this is a really important space for us to be doing more in than we currently are, and there are a lot of needs.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2128
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<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I just want to note it is 12:57.

2129
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<v Jamie Dunphy>We are back here at 2 o'clock.

2130
03:31:21.047 --> 03:31:25.542
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are currently 6 more colleagues in the queue to talk, and we have 4 votes to take.

2131
03:31:26.378 --> 03:31:32.783
<v Jamie Dunphy>If we are not able to finish this by 1:30, unfortunately we will need to hold this over till next week, but I'm sure we can do that.

2132
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<v Jamie Dunphy>And I'm also sure everybody would love to be able to have a lunch break.

2133
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<v Jamie Dunphy>So Councilor Knell.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>When this first came up in committee, my understanding was that the changes were originally designed, and maybe I misinterpreted, To be suggestions for the PCF committee to go back and talk about.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I think that was, that was a little unclear, um, in the communications.

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<v Sameer Kanal>And so that affected where I eventually landed on this, which was where I'm at now, that I don't like the idea of putting some— a decision in effect here and now, um, without consultation with the committee.

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<v Sameer Kanal>I've never been in favor of that.

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03:32:09.617 --> 03:32:15.269
<v Sameer Kanal>And I'm struggling with the idea that I think that if we were to send it back to them, that there's no process in place.

2140
03:32:15.316 --> 03:32:23.137
<v Sameer Kanal>Having worked with volunteer committees several times at the city, I think that it's hard, and I understand that.

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<v Sameer Kanal>They're volunteers.

2142
03:32:23.987 --> 03:32:24.903
<v Sameer Kanal>They have time commitments.

2143
03:32:24.967 --> 03:32:26.042
<v Sameer Kanal>They do so much already.

2144
03:32:26.091 --> 03:32:29.126
<v Sameer Kanal>This is one of the more intensive committees already.

2145
03:32:29.623 --> 03:32:37.202
<v Sameer Kanal>And also, that helps to create a structure that lends itself towards some of the feeling of being asked to be a rubber stamp.

2146
03:32:37.251 --> 03:32:37.395
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you.

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03:32:38.324 --> 03:32:57.594
<v Sameer Kanal>And so my, my question is, how are we going to fix that so that in a year when this comes back to us, we're not in a 2-option situation where we either accept it or we substitute our judgment, but where staff, staff have created a 3rd door for us to be able to engage with the committee?

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<v Unidentified speaker>Council President, Councilor Kanal, um, This is very top of mind for us as we come back to you too.

2149
03:33:06.742 --> 03:33:09.980
<v Unidentified speaker>I think it is starting earlier conversations with the council offices.

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03:33:10.045 --> 03:33:15.545
<v Unidentified speaker>I think we've got a process in place currently right now so we can start surfacing those ideas, those desires.

2151
03:33:15.736 --> 03:33:18.254
<v Unidentified speaker>Clearly we hear the conversation on transportation.

2152
03:33:18.302 --> 03:33:19.762
<v Unidentified speaker>We clearly hear Councilor Novick.

2153
03:33:19.809 --> 03:33:21.958
<v Unidentified speaker>So that's gonna provide at least a starting point.

2154
03:33:22.005 --> 03:33:31.643
<v Unidentified speaker>And then as we gear up in May, June, not too distant, not too far from now to start surfacing, we start signaling what we're seeing mid-year and—.

2155
03:33:31.643 --> 03:33:31.978
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

2156
03:33:32.252 --> 03:33:38.075
<v Unidentified speaker>To hear from your offices what you all are desiring so that we can make sure that there's a 2-way dialogue with the committee.

2157
03:33:38.283 --> 03:33:48.279
<v Unidentified speaker>I think the committee co-chairs, I expect, will also be having conversations directly with the chairs of the body that ultimately will be addressing climate issues as we move forward.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Thanks.

2159
03:33:50.139 --> 03:34:04.540
<v Sameer Kanal>And similarly, how are we going to make sure that there isn't— that people who are looking to— community groups that are looking to start a project are not anticipating decisions that haven't yet been made by council.

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03:34:04.748 --> 03:34:08.186
<v Sameer Kanal>What will staff do to prevent that from happening in the future?

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03:34:10.250 --> 03:34:23.674
<v Unidentified speaker>We— what we have— certainly we can do more to provide more transparency on the allocation of existing resources so those expectations are at least— or provide those lines of communication for folks to know, yep, this pool has been fully allocated, know that from here on it's a question mark.

2162
03:34:24.309 --> 03:34:30.039
<v Unidentified speaker>I think that's work that we can continue to do around just tracking where our existing allocations are tapped.

2163
03:34:30.297 --> 03:34:40.849
<v Unidentified speaker>We run application processes, so I think that will be a continued conversation with our team, the Portland Housing Bureau as well, to make sure we just have that more clear line for folks that are seeking out those housing programs.

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03:34:41.546 --> 03:34:42.434
<v Sameer Kanal>I appreciate that.

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03:34:42.531 --> 03:34:55.152
<v Sameer Kanal>And I want to put a finer point on it and say I don't view it as the potential recipient I don't think it's the Department of Funds' problem or fault or the council's problem or fault if this happens.

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03:34:55.552 --> 03:35:06.969
<v Sameer Kanal>And by this, I mean when a decision we haven't even engaged with yet is being framed as you're taking money away that hasn't actually been allocated, I view that as a systemic issue on the structural side.

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03:35:07.018 --> 03:35:09.345
<v Sameer Kanal>So that's what I'm trying to get at here.

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03:35:09.506 --> 03:35:14.692
<v Sameer Kanal>And I recognize that this is a new system, and so I'm not putting fault, but I'm saying it's something we need to fix going forward.

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03:35:14.740 --> 03:35:14.836
<v Sameer Kanal>Thank you.

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<v Sameer Kanal>Forward here.

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03:35:15.853 --> 03:35:18.806
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm not going to bury the lead here.

2172
03:35:19.240 --> 03:35:32.597
<v Sameer Kanal>I am, because of the fact that we would have to wait a year this year if we were to send it back, and because of the fact that I don't want to substitute our judgment here, I'm going to be voting for the amendments that Councilor Avalos put forward.

2173
03:35:33.292 --> 03:35:42.568
<v Sameer Kanal>I really do share a lot of the concerns around the transportation piece, though, so I'm going to take a second here to mention something about I'll take that and then something about what Councilor Green brought up.

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03:35:44.180 --> 03:35:48.707
<v Sameer Kanal>Many of the things that Councilor Novick put forward, I'm very supportive of, in particular the one-time costs.

2175
03:35:49.145 --> 03:35:56.037
<v Sameer Kanal>I think in this scenario with the singular upgrades, one-time upgrades to TriMet are things I support.

2176
03:35:57.159 --> 03:36:01.054
<v Sameer Kanal>I think some of the work at PBOT that's ongoing is also really great.

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03:36:01.458 --> 03:36:09.417
<v Sameer Kanal>I've expressed skepticism about marketing, but I do I agree with hiring ride leaders and improving bike infrastructure.

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03:36:09.467 --> 03:36:16.900
<v Sameer Kanal>There's a lot more here that I think is great, and I would really love it if the committee did look at that over the course of the next year.

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03:36:17.655 --> 03:36:28.766
<v Sameer Kanal>While I have major concerns with a process that discourages the council from weighing in but says the mayor can weigh in on a strategic program, I have massive issues with that process.

2180
03:36:28.975 --> 03:36:31.576
<v Sameer Kanal>I actually agree with the particular thing that is being done.

2181
03:36:31.640 --> 03:36:31.736
<v Guy Frankenstein>Thank you.

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03:36:31.881 --> 03:36:41.363
<v Sameer Kanal>I'm supportive of the Office of Residential dollars personally, um, and it's one of the very rare things that I'm going to say should be focused in District 4, downtown specifically.

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03:36:41.893 --> 03:36:55.192
<v Sameer Kanal>Uh, but I, I'm excited to, um, to, to get into the conversation on the process because I think the process is where the— my larger concerns are than the actual content of either of the scenarios that we were discussing.

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03:36:55.627 --> 03:37:06.287
<v Sameer Kanal>So I will be voting for, for the amendments Councilor Avalos put forward, and I look forward to working with Councilor Novick and with the committee and with everyone who's interested in helping ensure that there's investment in transportation next time.

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03:37:07.667 --> 03:37:08.469
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Kanal.

2186
03:37:08.871 --> 03:37:10.990
<v Jamie Dunphy>Just a quick note to our testifiers, we're not Salem.

2187
03:37:11.103 --> 03:37:13.335
<v Jamie Dunphy>You don't have to address me when you're talking to a councilor.

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03:37:13.384 --> 03:37:13.880
<v Jamie Dunphy>It's all good.

2189
03:37:14.492 --> 03:37:14.972
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Morillo.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Thank you.

2191
03:37:16.273 --> 03:37:19.773
<v Angelita Morillo>I'm going to keep my comments super brief because folks have already said a lot of what I wanted to say.

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<v Angelita Morillo>I agree with Councilor Kanal's assessment that I think that There needs to be more process so that council understands what's coming before us and so that we're involved.

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03:37:29.969 --> 03:37:33.293
<v Angelita Morillo>And from what I understand too, it sounds like that process is already underway.

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03:37:33.824 --> 03:37:48.227
<v Angelita Morillo>My office received an email with a form letter or some way that council can engage on this moving forward so that we can understand what the committee has done and then also give our input so that we don't end up having this sort of situation happen again.

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03:37:48.274 --> 03:37:48.370
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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03:37:48.500 --> 03:37:58.433
<v Angelita Morillo>Happening where we feel like we're a rubber stamp for dollars that should not have been— people should not consider, uh, dollars allocated to them until they are officially allocated to them.

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03:37:58.884 --> 03:38:00.152
<v Angelita Morillo>I used to work at a nonprofit.

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03:38:00.247 --> 03:38:01.900
<v Angelita Morillo>I had to do grants for a nonprofit.

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<v Angelita Morillo>Those dollars, I think, should never be considered yours until they are officially in your bank account, frankly.

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03:38:08.336 --> 03:38:26.141
<v Angelita Morillo>But that being said, these are extremely important projects that need our help now, and I think the sacrifice I say that again as someone who is transit reliant, who loves public transit and desperately needs it, and I hope that we focus on that in the future, and I hope that we create a process so that council can do that moving forward.

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<v Angelita Morillo>So I will be considering— I will be voting yes on the Avalos amendment in the hopes that we have that sort of instituted a bit more formally in the future.

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03:38:36.353 --> 03:38:39.355
<v Angelita Morillo>And I would urge my colleagues that if other people have already made your statements, just say aye.

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03:38:39.404 --> 03:38:45.691
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilmember thank you, Councilor Morillo.

2204
03:38:46.149 --> 03:38:51.114
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Zimmerman.

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03:38:52.270 --> 03:39:00.106
<v Eric Zimmerman>Yeah, I, I, um, I'm, I'm going to say this even though it has been said.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I agree.

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03:39:00.706 --> 03:39:05.064
<v Eric Zimmerman>Um, I would have liked to be able to have this discussion with the city attorney and the city attorney's office.

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03:39:05.272 --> 03:39:25.622
<v Eric Zimmerman>Debate that Councilor Novick is bringing up, and I don't get to really have that debate in an earnest and honest way when a significant portion of it is, but if this passes, these housing projects are dead, these specific housing projects are dead.

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03:39:28.246 --> 03:39:28.867
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'll admit it.

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03:39:29.536 --> 03:39:34.152
<v Eric Zimmerman>I'm gonna, I'm gonna bend the knee to the housing projects on this.

2211
03:39:34.328 --> 03:39:44.520
<v Eric Zimmerman>And Councilor Novick brings up very good points about the, the focus of PCF, and I would value to be able to have that debate.

2212
03:39:44.681 --> 03:39:46.940
<v Eric Zimmerman>Culturally, I think we have a deep problem.

2213
03:39:47.907 --> 03:39:53.898
<v Eric Zimmerman>There is a culture of things get through that are the friends of PCF members or staff.

2214
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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think that's a problem.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>I think the fact that we have people coming to testify Or that we have advocates in the community getting a hold of us that XYZ project by name will die based on the decision in this room today if we don't do a thing that should be grant-focused.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You have a leaking sieve of a situation, and we've got to fix that because that's not an honest assessment of a grant application if people already know that they are winners in that application.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor Smith.

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<v Eric Zimmerman>You may disagree with that, but that is the deep perception that exists.

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03:40:30.655 --> 03:40:40.851
<v Eric Zimmerman>And the pure fact that I am being lobbied by named projects today tells me that that perception is not just a little bit out there, it's a lot of it out there.

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03:40:40.995 --> 03:40:49.120
<v Eric Zimmerman>And so I, I don't know the right part of that debate, but I look forward to a transportation, to a carbon tax debate.

2221
03:40:49.183 --> 03:40:49.377
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you.

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03:40:52.877 --> 03:40:58.255
<v Eric Zimmerman>And my colleagues have underlined different aspects of where this seems off.

2223
03:40:58.995 --> 03:41:04.951
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that's— when multiple aspects of something are off, that's an indicator of a cultural problem.

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03:41:05.176 --> 03:41:13.862
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I just hope that we can spend some time, if there is some sort of reset that's happening or whatever you guys are citing, I am bothered that I don't get to truly have that.

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03:41:13.912 --> 03:41:14.713
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I think that's a cultural problem.

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03:41:14.763 --> 03:41:27.956
<v Eric Zimmerman>Councilor I'm surprised in myself that I'm going to go back to and be supportive of Avalos 1 today because I generally think that what comes out of the committee would have been the thing to pass.

2227
03:41:28.037 --> 03:41:32.022
<v Eric Zimmerman>So I guess I'm surprising even myself in that.

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03:41:33.156 --> 03:41:46.834
<v Eric Zimmerman>So please give us faith in how dialogue process debate happens and that that winners and losers haven't been pre-selected based on who they know, how they know, or their previous experience with the organization.

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03:41:46.881 --> 03:41:53.007
<v Eric Zimmerman>And that is— parts of it I just cannot tell right now, and it doesn't feel good, and I want it to feel good.

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03:41:53.200 --> 03:41:59.229
<v Eric Zimmerman>And I'll be sitting this committee with, with Councilor Pirtle-Guiney as the chair and me as vice chair.

2231
03:41:59.358 --> 03:42:09.596
<v Eric Zimmerman>And this is an area for growth for me, and I, and I am looking forward to it because, um, I think these These are going to be important discussions.

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03:42:09.661 --> 03:42:14.236
<v Eric Zimmerman>So thanks to everybody, and, uh, um, thanks for clarifying.

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03:42:14.415 --> 03:42:18.627
<v Eric Zimmerman>And Councilor Novick, I'm, I'm sorry, I will not be able to support your amendments today.

2234
03:42:19.818 --> 03:42:20.625
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Zimmerman.

2235
03:42:20.801 --> 03:42:21.381
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Smith.

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03:42:21.914 --> 03:42:22.219
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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03:42:22.397 --> 03:42:32.386
<v Loretta Smith>I'd just like to remind everybody again, we are in a housing crisis, and, um, these folks, they did go through a process, Councilor Zimmerman.

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03:42:32.467 --> 03:42:38.387
<v Loretta Smith>They, they went through an extensive analysis, and they were put in for recommendation by the PCF committee.

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03:42:39.283 --> 03:43:04.103
<v Loretta Smith>And, um, this is a perfect example why I said PCF should be in the Committee of the Whole, and we need to move the policy piece and PCF to the Committee of the Whole so that we all can have those conversations at the same time about a considerable amount of money when you're talking about identifying appropriations for $1 billion, we need to have that.

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<v Loretta Smith>So you may want to reconsider that, Mr. President.

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03:43:06.884 --> 03:43:12.603
<v Loretta Smith>But I would like to urge everybody to, um, don't think of this as this is something that people thought of last week.

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03:43:12.989 --> 03:43:16.605
<v Loretta Smith>They all have capital stacks that they have been working on forever.

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03:43:16.685 --> 03:43:19.481
<v Loretta Smith>They were not given an approval.

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03:43:19.577 --> 03:43:29.282
<v Loretta Smith>They were given the same type of approval that, um, the children's levy folks were until until we get actual approval from council, will you be able to say that you have it?

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03:43:29.781 --> 03:43:31.661
<v Loretta Smith>But they did their due diligence.

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03:43:31.709 --> 03:43:36.331
<v Loretta Smith>They didn't do anything wrong, and they're supposed to lobby us because we're going to vote on it.

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<v Loretta Smith>And so I urge everyone to vote yes on this Avalos one.

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03:43:40.610 --> 03:43:40.899
<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.

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03:43:41.206 --> 03:43:42.060
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Smith.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick.

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03:43:45.965 --> 03:43:46.369
<v Unidentified speaker>Muted.

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<v Steve Novick>Oh, sorry.

2253
03:43:47.497 --> 03:43:49.611
<v Steve Novick>Thank you, Mr. President.

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03:43:49.755 --> 03:44:12.079
<v Steve Novick>I was happy to see Mr. Engstrom, Director Engstrom, say that I think that maybe it was a little narrow-minded to say we're only not going to consider any new projects, we're only going to look at the projects that have already been identified in the initial CIP, because I think the idea that the only things we should do with the PSF money is frozen in amber for 5 years is problematic.

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<v Steve Novick>I also note that, as Councilor Green raised, that rationale doesn't seem to have applied to using money for office-to-residential conversions.

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03:44:22.825 --> 03:44:34.182
<v Steve Novick>I also wanted to say that there's one entity that was not consulted on the possibility of new transportation uses for the money, which is PBOT.

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03:44:34.648 --> 03:44:38.968
<v Steve Novick>I asked PBOT, were you asked for suggestions to use this $15 million?

2258
03:44:39.497 --> 03:44:40.286
<v Steve Novick>And they said no.

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03:44:41.024 --> 03:44:46.441
<v Steve Novick>And then I asked the PCF folks and the VPS folks, Did you consult with, with PBOT?

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03:44:46.505 --> 03:44:47.988
<v Steve Novick>And they said, well, we talked to PBOT all the time.

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03:44:48.504 --> 03:44:51.388
<v Steve Novick>So I asked PBOT again, were you consulted about this $15 million?

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03:44:52.041 --> 03:44:59.049
<v Steve Novick>And Milton Williams said, we have a good relationship with the PCF team and have a good number of regular conversations with them to discuss options about opportunities.

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03:45:00.090 --> 03:45:02.797
<v Steve Novick>That said, regarding this $15 million, our response remains the same.

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03:45:03.183 --> 03:45:05.246
<v Steve Novick>We've not had the opportunity to have the conversation.

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03:45:05.859 --> 03:45:12.791
<v Steve Novick>So to me, if you're talking about moving money away from transportation, You should probably next time talk to the Transportation Bureau.

2266
03:45:13.816 --> 03:45:14.138
<v Steve Novick>Thank you.

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03:45:14.522 --> 03:45:27.503
<v Steve Novick>Oh, sorry, I left out the most important thing, which is I started this conversation partly because I wanted to protect the $15 million for transportation, but partly because I wanted to start having a conversation about the relationship between the council and PSF.

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03:45:28.079 --> 03:45:32.373
<v Steve Novick>And I really appreciate that some of my colleagues seem to think that it's a good idea to have that conversation.

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03:45:32.887 --> 03:45:34.682
<v Steve Novick>I really appreciate Councilor Knoll.

2270
03:45:35.862 --> 03:45:39.143
<v Steve Novick>Raising my concerns about the process far more eloquently than I could.

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03:45:39.724 --> 03:45:48.879
<v Steve Novick>And I agree with Councilor Smith's suggestion that the relationship between council and PSAP should be discussed in the Committee of the Whole, which coincidentally I think is going to be led by Councilor Kanal.

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03:45:50.912 --> 03:45:52.037
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Novick.

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03:45:52.422 --> 03:45:53.001
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you very much.

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03:45:53.081 --> 03:45:53.691
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Green.

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03:45:55.813 --> 03:46:09.608
<v Mitch Green>I know that I am standing between my colleagues and lunch, but I, I just have to note that We're talking about $15 million, and I'm going to vote for Avalos 1 because I think it's the right thing to do.

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03:46:10.625 --> 03:46:15.694
<v Mitch Green>But earlier it was framed that we're pitting transportation against housing, which is unfair to do.

2277
03:46:16.695 --> 03:46:31.969
<v Mitch Green>And I have to say that the $15 million in SP 14, which has been codified now or will be codified when we take this vote as being for office to residential, which will almost certainly never come to pass as a We don't have the money to subsidize that deeply.

2278
03:46:32.920 --> 03:46:39.010
<v Mitch Green>That's money that could be used for housing right here in this same thing, and we could have kept the money in the transportation bucket.

2279
03:46:39.559 --> 03:46:51.100
<v Mitch Green>But we don't really get to have that level of debate in any kind of serious way because, you know, I don't really get easy access to the staff that make these decisions.

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03:46:51.100 --> 03:46:53.479
<v Mitch Green>So I think going forward, my expectation is My that we're going to have to expectation have a lot more of these conversations.

2281
03:46:53.479 --> 03:46:53.520
<v Mitch Green>Thank you.

2282
03:46:54.125 --> 03:47:11.125
<v Mitch Green>Is that if council is going to be required to just go ahead and do this and validate a spending decision, I expect no barriers between my office and the BPS staff who do this work so that way I can talk to the staff to do this work and so we can figure out how to better engage.

2283
03:47:11.623 --> 03:47:14.531
<v Mitch Green>That's going to be my expectation going forward.

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03:47:15.174 --> 03:47:23.655
<v Mitch Green>And I really look forward to helping shape some of this stuff in the next Thank you, Councilor Green.

2285
03:47:23.847 --> 03:47:24.619
<v Mitch Green>Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

2286
03:47:25.372 --> 03:47:26.529
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Thank you, Council President.

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03:47:26.577 --> 03:47:44.560
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Very briefly, I just want to lend my support for in the next round when staff bring ideas to the PCEF committee, seeing a robust investment, maybe even more than $15 million in transportation solutions that help— can help to decarbonize transportation and create access to the downtown.

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03:47:44.818 --> 03:47:47.200
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>For lower-income members of our community.

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03:47:48.368 --> 03:47:49.906
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>I look forward to that next year.

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03:47:51.909 --> 03:47:52.716
<v Jamie Dunphy>Thank you, Councilor Pirtle-Guiney.

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03:47:53.313 --> 03:47:55.990
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, I'm going to now move us towards a vote on the amendments.

2292
03:47:56.845 --> 03:48:00.218
<v Jamie Dunphy>Just to clarify, we have 4 amendments that have been moved and seconded.

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03:48:00.829 --> 03:48:03.334
<v Jamie Dunphy>Avalos 1 will be the first item that we vote on.

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03:48:04.159 --> 03:48:10.449
<v Jamie Dunphy>As a reminder, Avalos 1 returns the underlying to the pre-amended version.

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03:48:12.308 --> 03:48:19.490
<v Jamie Dunphy>That was filed at committee and as such would make the technical amendment moot.

2296
03:48:19.587 --> 03:48:28.109
<v Jamie Dunphy>However, because we have them all opened and moved, do we have to do a vote on all 4, or do we only vote on Avalos?

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03:48:32.850 --> 03:48:33.697
<v Jamie Dunphy>There are 4 amendments.

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03:48:33.762 --> 03:48:39.193
<v Jamie Dunphy>There's an Avalos one, the technical clarifying Novick 2 and Novick 3.

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03:48:40.059 --> 03:48:42.996
<v Angelita Morillo>But if Avalos's passes, then Novicks are moot.

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03:48:44.297 --> 03:48:46.046
<v Jamie Dunphy>Oh, Councilor— yeah, please.

2301
03:48:46.222 --> 03:48:47.602
<v Steve Novick>Yes, that's what I was going to say.

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03:48:47.940 --> 03:48:55.564
<v Steve Novick>If Councilor Avalos's motion passes, then my amendments and the conforming amendment are all moot, as you mentioned before, Council President.

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03:48:55.965 --> 03:49:05.762
<v Steve Novick>So if, as I suspect, Councilor Avalos's amendment passes, then I think that I withdraw my amendments, and I think I'm the one move the conforming amendment, so I withdraw that too.

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03:49:06.556 --> 03:49:06.913
<v Jamie Dunphy>Perfect.

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03:49:07.447 --> 03:49:10.364
<v Jamie Dunphy>Okay, can we please move to a roll call vote on Avalos 1?

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03:49:11.617 --> 03:49:11.843
<v Keelan McClymont>Avalos?

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03:49:12.343 --> 03:49:12.505
<v Candace Avalos>Aye.

2308
03:49:13.314 --> 03:49:13.540
<v Keelan McClymont>Smith?

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03:49:14.364 --> 03:49:14.414
<v Loretta Smith>Aye.

2310
03:49:15.432 --> 03:49:15.804
<v Keelan McClymont>Kanal?

2311
03:49:16.144 --> 03:49:16.159
<v Sameer Kanal>Aye.

2312
03:49:16.951 --> 03:49:17.340
<v Keelan McClymont>Pirtle-Guiney?

2313
03:49:17.599 --> 03:49:17.727
<v Elana Pirtle-Guiney>Aye.

2314
03:49:19.555 --> 03:49:20.088
<v Keelan McClymont>Koyama Lane?

2315
03:49:20.929 --> 03:49:32.376
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>I look forward to continuing conversations about how we can responsibly and transparently invest in infrastructure like biking and transit without losing sight of PSEF's core mission.

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03:49:32.957 --> 03:49:35.521
<v Tiffany Koyama Lane>And I'm also voting aye on Avalos 1.

2317
03:49:37.389 --> 03:49:37.439
<v Angelita Morillo>Aye.

2318
03:49:38.195 --> 03:49:38.453
<v Keelan McClymont>Nay.

2319
03:49:42.065 --> 03:49:43.112
<v Keelan McClymont>Clark is absent.

2320
03:49:44.709 --> 03:49:45.533
<v Keelan McClymont>Green?

2321
03:49:46.004 --> 03:49:46.020
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2322
03:49:46.894 --> 03:49:46.909
<v Mitch Green>Aye.

2323
03:49:47.540 --> 03:49:47.590
<v Olivia Clark>Aye.

2324
03:49:48.772 --> 03:49:52.719
<v Keelan McClymont>The amendment is approved with 9 yes votes, 1 no vote, and 2 absent.

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03:49:53.688 --> 03:49:54.039
<v Keelan McClymont>Okay.

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03:49:58.310 --> 03:50:05.179
<v Jamie Dunphy>And Councilor Novick, with the passage of Amendment Avalos 1, would you like to withdraw the 3 amendments?

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03:50:06.165 --> 03:50:08.325
<v Steve Novick>Yes, they are hereby withdrawn.

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03:50:09.163 --> 03:50:13.399
<v Jamie Dunphy>Councilor Novick withdraws the 3 amendments without objection.

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03:50:13.657 --> 03:50:14.963
<v Jamie Dunphy>I was a second on at least one of them.

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03:50:16.344 --> 03:50:21.268
<v Jamie Dunphy>Colleagues, this now amended ordinance moves to second reading.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>That is the last item on our agenda.

2332
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<v Jamie Dunphy>With that, we are recessed— not adjourned, we are recessed until tomorrow afternoon.

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<v Jamie Dunphy>Go get lunch.

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<v Loretta Smith>Thank you.