{ "meetingId": "2025-08-13-1", "title": "Portland City Council Special Meeting 08/13/25", "date": "2025-08-13T19:00:00-07:00", "duration": 184, "videoUrl": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmNVqq4Fx80", "videoId": "xmNVqq4Fx80", "agendaUrl": "https://www.portland.gov/council/agenda/2025/8/13", "agendaItems": [ { "number": 2, "title": "Adopt Council Regular Meeting Schedule pursuant to Code Subsection 3.02.010.C.1", "type": "Ordinance", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/ordinance/passed/192094" }, { "number": 3, "title": "Establish new City Council committee structure (Placed on file per Document Number 2026-210)", "type": "Resolution", "url": "https://www.portland.gov/council/documents/resolution/placed-file/2025-323" } ], "summary": "I'll work through this systematically, building the ledger first from the transcript.\n\n\n\nNow the digest:\n\n---\n\n**Portland's City Council sent an ordinance returning to weekly Wednesday meetings to a second reading on September 3, after amending it to hold one evening meeting a month rather than two.** The ordinance, sponsored by Councilors Sameer Kanal (District 2), Candace Avalos (District 1) and Jamie Dunphy (District 1), would put council back on a regular weekly schedule for the first time since the new government's meetings became irregular. No final vote was taken at the August 13 session; the council continued its second, contentious item — a new committee structure — to a recessed meeting the next day.\n\n## The meeting schedule\n\nThe council took the ordinance up amendment by amendment. A package from Kanal, folding in feedback from an earlier work session and stripping four sections of enacting language, passed **12-0** ([00:50:35](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:50:35)). Kanal said it reflected \"everything that was discussed that was a consensus position or near consensus\" ([00:39:31](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:39:31)).\n\nThe sharper fight was over evening meetings. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) moved to hold meetings each Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. with a single evening meeting on the third Wednesday, citing \"the increased costs and the toll evening meetings have on our support staff\" ([00:44:31](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:44:31)). Council President Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said a day running from 9:30 a.m. to 9 p.m. amounts to \"about a 16-hour day for staff\" once prep and wrap-up are counted ([00:53:24](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:53:24)). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) offered a friendly amendment making the third Wednesday an evening meeting in place of that morning's session; Smith accepted it.\n\nKanal, Avalos and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) pushed back. Kanal argued the council had already budgeted for two evening meetings a month in June and that the real question was whether the second slot went to the full council or a committee ([01:05:12](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:05:12)). Morillo said evening meetings draw different residents than daytime ones, which tend to bring \"people who are either wealthy, retired, or... lobbyists for organizations\" ([01:16:11](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:16:11)). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) backed Smith, framing fewer night meetings as concrete support for staff: \"we can either talk about supporting the employees who support us, or we can take action to support the employees who support us\" ([01:02:05](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:02:05)). The Smith amendment passed **7-5** ([01:27:47](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:27:47)). Because the ordinance carries no emergency clause, Pirtle-Guiney said it would not take effect until 30 days after passage — likely October 3.\n\n## A 6-6 tie on the agenda deadline\n\nCouncilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) moved to cut the time the presiding officer has to schedule a committee-cleared item to the full agenda from 90 days to 45. She argued that with meetings doubling, \"we may no longer need the full 90 days\" ([01:28:08](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:28:08)).\n\nThe proposal split the council. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) called it \"hard to imagine being the city of yes if we have a really long lead time\" ([01:32:50](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:32:50)). Kanal called the objections \"the tools of status quo bias\" ([01:34:21 area](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:33:39)), and Morillo said \"90 days is not acceptable when people are suffering\" ([02:04:40](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:04:40)). Zimmerman countered that the deadline strips the presiding officer of judgment and that had this very item hit a 45-day mark in May, \"it would have been chaos for us in the midst of a much bigger mission\" — the budget ([02:02:33](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:02:33)). Smith said it solved \"a problem we don't have yet\" and pointed to the existing nine-vote tool to force items forward ([01:53:33](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:53:33)).\n\nSarah Morrissey, acting City Administrator for the week, told the council the answer \"depends on the context\": 45 days would work for a resolution, but land-use items, Title 33 planning and zoning changes, or major budget impacts need more time to produce findings that hold up on appeal ([01:40:52](meeting:2025-08-13-1@01:40:52)). Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) said he was \"not prepared to vote today\" and cast \"a worried no\" ([02:08:04](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:08:04)). The amendment failed **6-6** ([02:10:35](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:10:35)); Mayor Keith Wilson did not break the tie.\n\n## Committee structure: chairs, co-chairs and a leadership team\n\nThe council reached its committee-structure resolution late and moved through only two amendments before recessing. Dunphy's first amendment would have locked in a chair/vice-chair model for committees, replacing the current mix that includes co-chairs. He argued the co-chair model is \"confusing to the public\" and that \"if everybody is a leader, then nobody is a leader,\" warning it can serve \"the health of egos of elected officials\" ([02:22:00](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:22:00)).\n\nMembers who co-chair committees defended the arrangement. Morillo said \"good leadership is actually being able to learn how to share power\" ([02:38:50](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:38:50)). Novick, opposing a proposed leadership team of committee chairs, quoted Bob Dylan — \"don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters\" ([02:24:29](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:24:29)). Clark supported Dunphy: \"I don't want twins. I just want one... council chair\" ([02:45:40](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:45:40)). Pirtle-Guiney opposed it to preserve flexibility, and addressed on the record what she called concerns \"away from this dais\" that she would stack a leadership team, saying she \"would not pull all from one or the other\" ([02:29:34](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:29:34)). The amendment failed **4-8** ([02:47:55](meeting:2025-08-13-1@02:47:55)).\n\nDunphy's second amendment, requiring each district to hold at least one committee chair, drew concern that the council had not yet decided how many committees to have. He laid it on the table to return once the number is set.\n\n## Public testimony\n\nTwo people testified on both items. Terry Harris said adding regular meetings would not fix the council's workload and urged doing detailed work in committee, warning against making the public \"come twice because they don't know which... hearing matters\" ([00:29:10](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:29:10)). Donna Cohen, a District 2 resident, said that before 2025 she could get a slot to address council \"within a week to a month\" but the current wait is \"over 2 months,\" with a waitlist that requires responding \"within as little as 4 to 5 minutes\" ([00:33:46](meeting:2025-08-13-1@00:33:46)). She said the new structure has offered \"less than half the opportunities for open public comment.\"\n\nThe council also welcomed Dana Richardson, introduced as its first permanent Council Operations Manager, who said she leads a team of 10 supporting policy work and committees.\n\n## What's next\n\nThe meeting-schedule ordinance returns for a second reading September 3 at 9:30 a.m. and, if passed then, would take effect roughly 30 days later. The committee-structure resolution was continued to a recessed meeting August 14 at 2:30 p.m., where Dunphy's tabled district-representation amendment, Pirtle-Guiney's four-committee proposal, and Novick's amendment on how chairs coordinate remained unresolved.", "summaryText": "I'll work through this systematically, building the ledger first from the transcript.\n\nNow the digest:\n\n---\n\nPortland's City Council sent an ordinance returning to weekly Wednesday meetings to a second reading on September 3, after amending it to hold one evening meeting a month rather than two. The ordinance, sponsored by Councilors Sameer Kanal (District 2), Candace Avalos (District 1) and Jamie Dunphy (District 1), would put council back on a regular weekly schedule for the first time since the new government's meetings became irregular. No final vote was taken at the August 13 session; the council continued its second, contentious item — a new committee structure — to a recessed meeting the next day.\n\nThe council took the ordinance up amendment by amendment. A package from Kanal, folding in feedback from an earlier work session and stripping four sections of enacting language, passed 12-0 (00:50:35). Kanal said it reflected \"everything that was discussed that was a consensus position or near consensus\" (00:39:31).\n\nThe sharper fight was over evening meetings. Councilor Loretta Smith (District 1) moved to hold meetings each Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. with a single evening meeting on the third Wednesday, citing \"the increased costs and the toll evening meetings have on our support staff\" (00:44:31). Council President Elana Pirtle-Guiney (District 2) said a day running from 9:30 a.m. to 9 p.m. amounts to \"about a 16-hour day for staff\" once prep and wrap-up are counted (00:53:24). Councilor Dan Ryan (District 2) offered a friendly amendment making the third Wednesday an evening meeting in place of that morning's session; Smith accepted it.\n\nKanal, Avalos and Councilor Angelita Morillo (District 3) pushed back. Kanal argued the council had already budgeted for two evening meetings a month in June and that the real question was whether the second slot went to the full council or a committee (01:05:12). Morillo said evening meetings draw different residents than daytime ones, which tend to bring \"people who are either wealthy, retired, or... lobbyists for organizations\" (01:16:11). Councilor Eric Zimmerman (District 4) backed Smith, framing fewer night meetings as concrete support for staff: \"we can either talk about supporting the employees who support us, or we can take action to support the employees who support us\" (01:02:05). The Smith amendment passed 7-5 (01:27:47). Because the ordinance carries no emergency clause, Pirtle-Guiney said it would not take effect until 30 days after passage — likely October 3.\n\nCouncilor Tiffany Koyama Lane (District 3) moved to cut the time the presiding officer has to schedule a committee-cleared item to the full agenda from 90 days to 45. She argued that with meetings doubling, \"we may no longer need the full 90 days\" (01:28:08).\n\nThe proposal split the council. Councilor Mitch Green (District 4) called it \"hard to imagine being the city of yes if we have a really long lead time\" (01:32:50). Kanal called the objections \"the tools of status quo bias\" (01:34:21 area), and Morillo said \"90 days is not acceptable when people are suffering\" (02:04:40). Zimmerman countered that the deadline strips the presiding officer of judgment and that had this very item hit a 45-day mark in May, \"it would have been chaos for us in the midst of a much bigger mission\" — the budget (02:02:33). Smith said it solved \"a problem we don't have yet\" and pointed to the existing nine-vote tool to force items forward (01:53:33).\n\nSarah Morrissey, acting City Administrator for the week, told the council the answer \"depends on the context\": 45 days would work for a resolution, but land-use items, Title 33 planning and zoning changes, or major budget impacts need more time to produce findings that hold up on appeal (01:40:52). Councilor Steve Novick (District 3) said he was \"not prepared to vote today\" and cast \"a worried no\" (02:08:04). The amendment failed 6-6 (02:10:35); Mayor Keith Wilson did not break the tie.\n\nThe council reached its committee-structure resolution late and moved through only two amendments before recessing. Dunphy's first amendment would have locked in a chair/vice-chair model for committees, replacing the current mix that includes co-chairs. He argued the co-chair model is \"confusing to the public\" and that \"if everybody is a leader, then nobody is a leader,\" warning it can serve \"the health of egos of elected officials\" (02:22:00).\n\nMembers who co-chair committees defended the arrangement. Morillo said \"good leadership is actually being able to learn how to share power\" (02:38:50). Novick, opposing a proposed leadership team of committee chairs, quoted Bob Dylan — \"don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters\" (02:24:29). Clark supported Dunphy: \"I don't want twins. I just want one... council chair\" (02:45:40). Pirtle-Guiney opposed it to preserve flexibility, and addressed on the record what she called concerns \"away from this dais\" that she would stack a leadership team, saying she \"would not pull all from one or the other\" (02:29:34). The amendment failed 4-8 (02:47:55).\n\nDunphy's second amendment, requiring each district to hold at least one committee chair, drew concern that the council had not yet decided how many committees to have. He laid it on the table to return once the number is set.\n\nTwo people testified on both items. Terry Harris said adding regular meetings would not fix the council's workload and urged doing detailed work in committee, warning against making the public \"come twice because they don't know which... hearing matters\" (00:29:10). Donna Cohen, a District 2 resident, said that before 2025 she could get a slot to address council \"within a week to a month\" but the current wait is \"over 2 months,\" with a waitlist that requires responding \"within as little as 4 to 5 minutes\" (00:33:46). She said the new structure has offered \"less than half the opportunities for open public comment.\"\n\nThe council also welcomed Dana Richardson, introduced as its first permanent Council Operations Manager, who said she leads a team of 10 supporting policy work and committees.\n\nThe meeting-schedule ordinance returns for a second reading September 3 at 9:30 a.m. and, if passed then, would take effect roughly 30 days later. The committee-structure resolution was continued to a recessed meeting August 14 at 2:30 p.m., where Dunphy's tabled district-representation amendment, Pirtle-Guiney's four-committee proposal, and Novick's amendment on how chairs coordinate remained unresolved.", "summaryLede": "I'll work through this systematically, building the ledger first from the transcript.", "sections": [ { "title": "Agenda approval", "startTime": "00:07:12.680", "endTime": "00:13:19.346", "items": [ { "title": "Agenda approval", "startTime": "00:07:12.680", "endTime": "00:13:19.346", "agendaItemNumber": 1 } ] }, { "title": "Regular agenda", "startTime": "00:13:19.346", "endTime": "03:03:28.968", "items": [ { "title": "Adopt Council Regular Meeting Schedule pursuant to Code Subsection 3.02.010.C.1", "startTime": "00:13:19.346", "endTime": "02:14:08.170", "agendaItemNumber": 2 }, { "title": "Establish new City Council committee structure", "startTime": "02:14:08.170", "endTime": "03:03:28.968", 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"text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-29", "start": 467.855, "end": 468.424, "text": "I'm here too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-30", "start": 472.71, "end": 473.714, "text": "Apologies, I didn't hear that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-31", "start": 473.795, "end": 474.119, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-32", "start": 474.346, "end": 475.173, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-33", "start": 476.372, "end": 480.488, "text": "Um, could we please have our attorney go over the rules of order and decorum?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-34", "start": 482.52, "end": 484.159, "text": "Welcome to the Portland City Council.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-35", "start": 484.224, "end": 490.767, "text": "To testify before council in person or virtually, you must sign up in advance on the council agenda at www.portlandoregistration.org.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-36", "start": 495.004, "end": 495.909, "text": "W.portland.gov/council/agenda.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-37", "start": 495.958, "end": 498.819, "text": "Information on engaging with council can be found on the council clerk's webpage.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-38", "start": 499.562, "end": 503.587, "text": "Individuals may testify for 3 minutes unless the presiding officer states otherwise.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-39", "start": 504.088, "end": 506.285, "text": "Your microphone will be muted when your time is over.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-40", "start": 506.915, "end": 508.53, "text": "The presiding officer preserves order.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-41", "start": 508.869, "end": 518.218, "text": "Disruptive conduct such as shouting, refusing to conclude your testimony when your time is up, or interrupting other testimony or 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"Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-48", "start": 539.816, "end": 541.323, "text": "Your address is not necessary.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-49", "start": 541.74, "end": 544.962, "text": "2, If you are a lobbyist, identify the organization you represent.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-50", "start": 545.459, "end": 549.867, "text": "3, Virtual testifiers should unmute themselves when the council clerk calls your name.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-51", "start": 550.011, "end": 550.107, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-52", "start": 550.557, "end": 551.793, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-53", "start": 552.74, "end": 555.117, "text": "Thank you very much, colleagues.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-54", "start": 555.229, "end": 570.195, "text": "We have 2 items on the agenda today, and we are adjourning our meeting in about 3 hours, but then we'll reconvene tomorrow at 2:30 if we have not concluded the business that we have before us.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-55", "start": 570.885, "end": 581.558, "text": "Before we open up those 2 items though for public testimony and discussion, I'd like to just take a moment for something not on the agenda.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-56", "start": 582.536, "end": 584.251, "text": "Do we need to approve today's agenda first?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-57", "start": 585.325, "end": 585.95, "text": "Am I skipping this?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-58", "start": 586.03, "end": 587.585, "text": "Yes, item 1 is agenda approval.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-59", "start": 587.713, "end": 589.461, "text": "Okay, I apologize, colleagues.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-60", "start": 589.717, "end": 591.32, "text": "Item 1 is approving the agenda.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-61", "start": 591.961, "end": 596.851, "text": "Actually, before we do that though, I'll do this before we go to approving the agenda.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-62", "start": 597.652, "end": 607.27, "text": "I just wanna take a moment because we had a new staff person start, our Council Operations Manager, Dana Richardson, on Monday.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-63", "start": 607.366, "end": 620.559, "text": "And I know some of you have had an opportunity to meet with her I think for some folks that's coming later this week still, but I just wanted to give Dana an opportunity to introduce herself in this setting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-64", "start": 621.874, "end": 629.857, "text": "For folks watching or in the audience today, Council Operations is the group that does a lot of the support, especially for our committee meetings.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-65", "start": 630.674, "end": 641.366, "text": "And we had an interim manager when we started who was here on a limited duration, intentionally came out of retirement to work with us short-term.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-66", "start": 641.43, "end": 641.687, "text": "So Dana, welcome.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-67", "start": 641.767, "end": 641.927, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-68", "start": 642.04, "end": 642.184, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-69", "start": 642.232, "end": 644.973, "text": "Dana is our first permanent Council Operations Manager.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-70", "start": 645.101, "end": 667.527, "text": "We are very glad to have her, and I wanted to make sure we had an opportunity again for folks on Council who hadn't had an opportunity yet to meet Dana, to get to hear a little bit from you, and also for the public who are watching to just know who you are, given that you do, and your team will— your team does, and you will do so much support for the work that we do, but often behind the scenes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-71", "start": 667.655, "end": 668.697, "text": "So please go ahead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-72", "start": 669.002, "end": 673.618, "text": "Thank you for this opportunity, uh, Madam President, uh, Madam Vice President, and councilors.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-73", "start": 674.195, "end": 685.304, "text": "As the president mentioned, this is my 3rd day on the job as the Council Operations Manager, and I'm pleased to be here and eager to learn how my team can support this council in its success.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-74", "start": 686.138, "end": 695.355, "text": "As you probably know, I lead a team of 10 folks that are here for policy development and analysis, whether that's in your 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"text": "Thank you so much, um, and welcome.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-82", "start": 721.792, "end": 727.112, "text": "I think this is the first time that we've gotten the opportunity to, to have you here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-83", "start": 727.225, "end": 732.872, "text": "I'm not sure if you were watching the committees earlier this week, but welcome and thank you for being here and being part of the team.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-84", "start": 733.13, "end": 733.47, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-85", "start": 733.6, "end": 737.163, "text": "Good luck.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-86", "start": 737.26, "end": 741.355, "text": "Okay, colleagues, the first item on our agenda is agenda approval.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-87", "start": 742.233, "end": 747.744, "text": "There has not been anything taken off the agenda or any 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"speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-103", "start": 859.525, "end": 859.75, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-104", "start": 860.407, "end": 861.129, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-105", "start": 861.209, "end": 865.314, "text": "And colleagues, if you haven't had a chance to look at that, that has been filed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-106", "start": 865.362, "end": 866.965, "text": "It's been up for about a week.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-107", "start": 867.286, "end": 873.356, "text": "And I know we had some discussion that was straightforward and everyone was on the same page and some where there were some divisions.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-108", "start": 873.404, "end": 878.51, "text": "I think Councilor Knoll tried to capture the things where it was mostly straightforward and folks were on the same page.", "speaker": 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"speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-117", "start": 898.501, "end": 901.592, "text": "So would I do that here or would I do that after?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-118", "start": 901.802, "end": 903.271, "text": "You could absolutely do that now.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-119", "start": 903.352, "end": 909.244, "text": "So that would be a floor amendment, and I'm trying to skim through this to see where that would go.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-120", "start": 909.308, "end": 918.299, "text": "I believe that would be in the first, therefore, A2, where it says on the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of each month at 6:00 PM.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-121", "start": 919.257, "end": 920.732, "text": "And you would amend?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-122", "start": 920.956, "end": 928.458, "text": "And I would amend that to have all meetings on Wednesdays, and on the 3rd Wednesday we 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"Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-130", "start": 942.42, "end": 953.521, "text": "On page 2 of— and I'm, I'm sorry, I'm working off of Councilor Kanal's proposed amendment right now rather than the original, but on Page 2 of Councilor Kanal's proposed amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-131", "start": 954.07, "end": 958.367, "text": "Now therefore, the council directs, A, council meetings will occur.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-132", "start": 960.016, "end": 976.263, "text": "I believe, Councilor Smith, 1 would say on each Wednesday of the month at 9:30 with a recessed meeting, and then 2 would say on the 3rd Wednesday of each month.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-133", "start": 976.311, "end": 976.375, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-134", "start": 977.681, "end": 980.037, "text": "We have 2 meetings, one in the morning, one at night.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-135", 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"cue-142", "start": 1002.43, "end": 1015.568, "text": "So the resolution would read every Wednesday a 9:30 meeting, the recessed session at 2:00 PM on Wednesday or 2:00 PM on Thursday, and a 6:00 PM meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each month.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-143", "start": 1015.714, "end": 1016.119, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-144", "start": 1016.766, "end": 1019.487, "text": "Rebecca, are you capturing that or do you want somebody to send this to you?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-145", "start": 1021.677, "end": 1022.802, "text": "We do need the language sent.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-146", "start": 1023.364, "end": 1025.003, "text": "Okay, we'll work on that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-147", "start": 1025.067, "end": 1025.228, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-148", "start": 1025.453, "end": 1028.088, "text": "So that's 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"cue-155", "start": 1053.569, "end": 1060.916, "text": "We are not in debate right now, but folks are putting amendments on the floor so that our testifiers know what the options are that they're responding to.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-156", "start": 1060.981, "end": 1061.078, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-157", "start": 1061.438, "end": 1065.379, "text": "Is there anything related?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-158", "start": 1068.596, "end": 1078.304, "text": "We have not had a consistent practice of having to offer amendments, but it is something that we have sometimes done in order to allow folks to know what is under consideration.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-159", "start": 1078.995, "end": 1090.294, "text": "I'll note that there are 2 amendments filed on the council committee structure as well, one by Councilor Dunphy and one by me.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-160", "start": 1090.359, "end": 1094.7, "text": "We'll talk about those more when we get to that discussion.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-161", "start": 1094.814, "end": 1098.249, "text": "But for folks who are testifying, I would assume that those are both in play as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-162", "start": 1100.16, "end": 1102.42, "text": "I feel like— did you have something to add, Councilor Caramelline?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-163", "start": 1104.55, "end": 1128.339, "text": "Yes, I also will be bringing a floor amendment that I just finished today, and we'll print— I printed out for everyone around making— as we are looking to have weekly council meetings currently, it takes— can take up to 3 months for an item to be placed on the full council agenda.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-164", "start": 1129.049, "end": 1137.315, "text": "And I am looking to make an amendment to 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"cue-172", "start": 1150.442, "end": 1152.623, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to request—.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-173", "start": 1152.623, "end": 1154.018, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-174", "start": 1154.387, "end": 1155.574, "text": "Can you hear me?", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-175", "start": 1156.071, "end": 1157.29, "text": "Yeah, can you pause for one minute?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-176", "start": 1157.418, "end": 1160.786, "text": "Was there a second to Councilor Koyama Lane's amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-177", "start": 1161.027, "end": 1162.47, "text": "And if not, we can do that later.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-178", "start": 1162.646, "end": 1163.609, "text": "Okay, I hear a second.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-179", "start": 1164.09, "end": 1165.212, "text": "Councilor Morillo, go right ahead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-180", "start": 1165.276, "end": 1165.822, "text": "I apologize.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-181", "start": 1166.72, "end": 1167.265, "text": "No, no worries.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-182", "start": 1167.361, "end": 1167.634, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-183", "start": 1167.73, "end": 1169.542, "text": "Sorry, I jumped ahead on that one.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-184", "start": 1170.104, "end": 1176.31, "text": "I'm just requesting that folks send an email with the updated amendment language so that we can all see it written.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-185", "start": 1176.519, "end": 1177.625, "text": "I think that's helpful for me.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-186", "start": 1178.618, "end": 1186.124, "text": "Also, I just wanted to say if I have to be camera off for a bit, 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then we'll distribute copies of it.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-199", "start": 1235.679, "end": 1239.723, "text": "Can you give a 2-second so that folks testifying know what that is?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-200", "start": 1241.45, "end": 1259.832, "text": "It would involve striking the idea of, actually I don't think that in the, it's formally referred to as a leadership committee, but it replaced the idea of the council president meeting with all of the committee chairs with an idea that committee chairs will meet with their counterparts in committees that have sort of overlapping jurisdictions.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-201", "start": 1260.886, "end": 1265.998, "text": "And only have one committee meet with another at a time, and the council president and vice president could attend those meetings.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-202", "start": 1266.431, "end": 1274.572, "text": "Because my idea is that the 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"start": 1306.264, "end": 1308.599, "text": "Councilor Dunphy.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-208", "start": 1309.227, "end": 1309.42, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-209", "start": 1309.485, "end": 1321.599, "text": "Very briefly, just colleagues, I sent an— or my team sent an email around about this yesterday, but with regard to the committee structure, You'll note that the resolution as filed is pretty bare bones, and that was an intentional choice.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-210", "start": 1322.737, "end": 1330.781, "text": "I had— we pulled out any of these sort of contentious pinch points that we didn't have unanimity around.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-211", "start": 1331.085, "end": 1334.819, "text": "For example, vice chair or chair, vice chair versus co-chair models.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-212", "start": 1335.252, "end": 1341.549, "text": "And I have subsequently filed amendments so that we can individually have an up and down vote on either of those.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-213", "start": 1341.888, "end": 1348.034, "text": "The intention is that if the council decides that chair, vice chair is the model to go with, great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-214", "start": 1348.13, "end": 1350.889, "text": "If this body decides that co-chairs are the model to go with, great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-215", "start": 1351.421, "end": 1356.627, "text": "If we can't come to an agreement, it defaults to a position of maximum flexibility for the president.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-216", "start": 1357.125, "end": 1363.408, "text": "So as we get into this, that is what you will be seeing filed in on the item itself.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-217", "start": 1363.568, "end": 1365.095, "text": "So just wanted to clarify that.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-218", "start": 1366.444, "end": 1367.312, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-219", "start": 1367.473, "end": 1370.429, "text": "And was there a second to Councilor Novick's proposal?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-220", "start": 1372.18, "end": 1372.382, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-221", "start": 1372.501, "end": 1373.651, "text": "Thank you, Vice President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-222", "start": 1376.12, "end": 1378.247, "text": "Councilor Kanal, are you back in the queue or is that an old hand?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-223", "start": 1378.972, "end": 1379.617, "text": "Okay, that's okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-224", "start": 1380.842, "end": 1385.304, "text": "So for folks watching, I know that was a flurry of information very quickly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-225", "start": 1386.075, "end": 1390.432, "text": "I'll try to summarize, and if I've missed something, please colleagues jump in.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-226", "start": 1391.108, "end": 1402.712, "text": "We have an underlying proposal on council meetings, which was debated in a work session, an amendment from Councilor Kanal, which has been proposed and seconded, which would capture thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-227", "start": 1402.776, "end": 1404.846, "text": "—Some of the conversation from that work session.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-228", "start": 1405.359, "end": 1418.403, "text": "An amendment from Councilor Smith that we are getting written up, which has been seconded, which would change the meeting schedule to include a weekly morning meeting and once-a-month evening meetings.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-229", "start": 1419.141, "end": 1431.319, "text": "And an amendment from Councilor Koyama Lane, which has been seconded, to decrease the amount of time before the council president must schedule something at a council meeting from 90 days to 45 days.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-230", "start": 1432.138, "end": 1447.192, "text": "We have an amendment that is under Councilor Dunphy's name, which a few councilors' staff helped to put together, that is a bit of a bare-bones capturing of the conversation around committees from our work session.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-231", "start": 1447.882, "end": 1457.239, "text": "We have a proposal that I have put forward based on some conversations since that was put together with a number of councilors around another way that we could think about committees.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-232", "start": 1457.287, "end": 1457.479, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-233", "start": 1458.28, "end": 1469.951, "text": "And a proposal put forward by Councilor Novick for that second item, the committee item around how our council's leadership meets with committee chairs.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-234", "start": 1471.277, "end": 1472.134, "text": "Did I miss anything?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-235", "start": 1473.847, "end": 1474.025, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-236", "start": 1475.544, "end": 1483.042, "text": "Just clarifying that that amendment was friendly and not seconded the package on the first one that I put forward.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-237", "start": 1483.904, "end": 1487.483, "text": "I think that we need to vote on it and not just accept it in.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-238", "start": 1487.981, "end": 1488.173, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-239", "start": 1489.104, "end": 1490.436, "text": "Just given the extent of it.", "speaker": "Elana 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1541.516, "text": "Mr. Harris, welcome.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-253", "start": 1542.513, "end": 1552.358, "text": "Yeah, you know, my Governance Committee testimony on Monday went 14 minutes, so cutting it in half is going to be, you know, just great.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-254", "start": 1553.005, "end": 1564.284, "text": "I appreciate the opportunity, um, as always, um, and I've had a lot of time to sort through all of this stuff, and I appreciate putting all the amendments out there.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-255", "start": 1566.128, "end": 1571.364, "text": "I'm going to testify as generally as to not get into the weeds of all your amendments.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-256", "start": 1572.472, "end": 1588.469, "text": "Um, in my assessment, the council's problem— and this is important— um, with committees and with meetings runs deeper than what scheduling consolidation or jurisdictional realignments are 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"cue-261", "start": 1634.094, "end": 1644.862, "text": "That is not going to fit my 6 minutes, so I'm going to hit the highlights here, the headlines if you will, and will be available to answer questions.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-262", "start": 1646.15, "end": 1651.409, "text": "First of all, an increase in regular meetings is not going to solve your workload problem.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-263", "start": 1652.302, "end": 1659.422, "text": "The detailed work of committee— detailed work of governance needs to be done in committee in parallel.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-264", "start": 1662.89, "end": 1671.85, "text": "In addition to establishing the new committees, the council should commit to actually using them, and a committee of the whole will help you do that.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-265", "start": 1673.41, "end": 1678.158, "text": "Um, I had, you know, 14 minutes on committee of the whole and governance yes.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-266", "start": 1678.383, "end": 1678.864, "text": "On Monday.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-267", "start": 1679.812, "end": 1683.953, "text": "Um, and I'll just say that you have some experience with that.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-268", "start": 1684.708, "end": 1688.705, "text": "Your budget committee operated as a committee of the whole.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-269", "start": 1689.524, "end": 1693.746, "text": "You took testimony in the budget committee as a committee of the whole.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-270", "start": 1694.26, "end": 1699.542, "text": "You did your amendments, you did all of your adjustment in the budget committee as a committee of the whole.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-271", "start": 1700.682, "end": 1708.024, "text": "Then you convened from the budget committee to the regular council to pass a budget bill.", "speaker": "On Monday" }, { "id": "cue-272", 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"speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-306", "start": 1940.57, "end": 1940.668, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-307", "start": 1940.931, "end": 1941.275, "text": "Welcome.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-308", "start": 1941.423, "end": 1942.9, "text": "Thank you for being here with us today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-309", "start": 1943.146, "end": 1943.573, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-310", "start": 1944.432, "end": 1947.791, "text": "I'm going to take a breath in between the 2 testimonies, if that's okay.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-311", "start": 1950.573, "end": 1954.462, "text": "So, um, morning, Council.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-312", "start": 1954.511, "end": 1955.608, "text": "My name is Donna Cohen.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-313", "start": 1956.837, "end": 1958.358, "text": "Uh, I'm a resident of District 2.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-314", "start": 1960.155, "end": 1962.34, "text": "I present workshops on civics to adults.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-315", "start": 1963.432, "end": 1974.023, "text": "In the how to engage with your elected officials part of my Citizen Activism 101 workshop, which I presented at Midland and Albina branch libraries this summer.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-316", "start": 1974.764, "end": 1980.432, "text": "I have always been pleased to say how fulfilling it is to speak to one's city council, county commission, et cetera.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-317", "start": 1980.675, "end": 1982.179, "text": "Would you show the picture, please?", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-318", "start": 1983.45, "end": 1993.014, "text": "This is a picture I show of when several of us came to council about a very serious, as in people were dying, traffic safety issue in St. Johns.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-319", "start": 1994.322, "end": 1996.692, "text": "Our t-shirts, by the way, signified the project we were working on.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-320", "start": 1996.741, "end": 1996.855, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-321", "start": 1998.647, "end": 2008.148, "text": "At the time, I'm actually on the schedule there, but I had spoken before and a new person wanted to speak from the neighborhood and we swapped, something which can't be done now.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-322", "start": 2008.698, "end": 2009.881, "text": "I don't quite understand that.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-323", "start": 2010.755, "end": 2018.681, "text": "Now I add a picture showing the slow process of the public communication process, unfortunately.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-324", "start": 2018.745, "end": 2025.232, "text": "Prior to 2025, my experience was that I could request a slot to speak to council and get scheduled within a week to a month.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-325", "start": 2025.28, "end": 2025.329, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-326", "start": 2026.168, "end": 2030.613, "text": "The current wait is, is over 2 months, and you're lucky if you can grab a spot at all.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-327", "start": 2031.159, "end": 2040.916, "text": "And the waitlist option, which may or may not prove useful, is exclusive to those who can get email alerts from their phones and respond within as little as 4 to 5 minutes.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-328", "start": 2041.269, "end": 2047.062, "text": "I kid you not, I have timestamp evidence of waitlist opportunities and when they are fulfilled.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-329", "start": 2048.009, "end": 2053.159, "text": "And not everyone has the luxury of flexibility for last-minute cancellations for a slot either.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-330", "start": 2053.88, "end": 2062.437, "text": "As outlined on the webpage description for this agenda item, there have been less than half the opportunities for open public comment with the new council meeting structure.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-331", "start": 2062.998, "end": 2068.59, "text": "Being able to speak to council on matters which council has yet to discuss or even be aware is critical.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-332", "start": 2068.67, "end": 2075.577, "text": "Council definitely needs to meet more frequently and thus provide more opportunities for the public to speak on any topic.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-333", "start": 2076.282, "end": 2078.557, "text": "Um, yes, the proposed ordinance will do just that.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-334", "start": 2078.621, "end": 2078.717, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-335", "start": 2079.745, "end": 2091.137, "text": "As someone who participated in forums during the creation of the plans for the new city government and was on the speakers bureau for Portland United for Change, I was impressed at how often the issue of communication between the public and the city council was brought up.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-336", "start": 2091.715, "end": 2095.427, "text": "I commend city council for recognizing the issues addressed by the proposed ordinance.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-337", "start": 2095.957, "end": 2101.564, "text": "We're still going through growing pains in our new government— with our new government, but you're clearly trying.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-338", "start": 2101.821, "end": 2107.251, "text": "Thank you for the proposal to increase council meetings and thus Public communication with council.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-339", "start": 2111.957, "end": 2117.885, "text": "Okay, so now the, um, second ordinance on policy committees.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-340", "start": 2120.076, "end": 2135.648, "text": "Um, in regard to the policy committees, there is a discussion of whether to reduce the number of committees from the current 8, whether to increase the time allowed for the meetings, and whether to make sure there is someone from every district on all policy committees I am in support of all these changes.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-341", "start": 2136.788, "end": 2143.436, "text": "One of my main concerns is that there has not been enough— there's not been time scheduled for open public communication during policy committee meetings.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-342", "start": 2144.079, "end": 2149.828, "text": "For example, I have some thoughts and some research to share with the Housing Committee but have had no opportunity to share them.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-343", "start": 2149.956, "end": 2152.799, "text": "I wrote to all the committee members, received no response.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-344", "start": 2153.184, "end": 2163.312, "text": "I wrote again, indicating a second attempt, and received response from 2 councilor offices, both directing me to the agenda page where there was no option for open public comment.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-345", "start": 2164.018, "end": 2166.39, "text": "Neither is there an email specifically for the committee.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-346", "start": 2166.502, "end": 2170.43, "text": "In other words, the public is totally shut out for anything but an agenda item.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-347", "start": 2171.792, "end": 2191.469, "text": "Another example is that, as the issue of life and death impact to tens of thousands, not only in District 2, but all those who have family members that work at the port facilities and Rivergate Industrial Area in District 2, namely that the North Peninsula will be completely severed from the rest of Portland after the quake to come, possibly for months.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-348", "start": 2191.999, "end": 2196.207, "text": "This should have been able to be presented to the Transportation and Public Safety Committees.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-349", "start": 2197.202, "end": 2199.596, "text": "It is a separate issue from the CEI overall.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-350", "start": 2200.656, "end": 2213.328, "text": "By not being able to do so, we saw the siloing of efforts to solicit monies from the legislature, one effort by the mayor and the city as a whole, and another by the community on the North Peninsula, just D2 councilors and our state legislators.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-351", "start": 2213.376, "end": 2213.585, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-352", "start": 2214.244, "end": 2217.264, "text": "Imagine how that looked to the State Transportation Committee.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-353", "start": 2218.18, "end": 2226.325, "text": "Now some of our leaders on the North Peninsula are seeking a Zoom meeting with the mayor and some of you councilors to smooth this out for the upcoming special session.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-354", "start": 2226.518, "end": 2228.639, "text": "We want to be on the same page.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-355", "start": 2229.426, "end": 2237.33, "text": "We have received an answer— as of yesterday, we had only received an answer from one office, Councilor Murillo, and today we heard something from D2.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-356", "start": 2238.085, "end": 2243.002, "text": "Uh, and I dropped off something in the mayor's office and Councilor Clark's office today.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-357", "start": 2244.833, "end": 2265.106, "text": "Public Communication and Policy Committees will allow input on new ideas to those council members most involved with the topic and overall provide more opportunities for public communication with, communication with council because the proposal to increase such time with the full council only brings us up to the amount that was available under our prior form of government.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-358", "start": 2265.831, "end": 2266.523, "text": "Thank you for your time.", "speaker": "Donna Cohen" }, { "id": "cue-359", "start": 2268.454, "end": 2271.653, "text": "Thank you very much for being here, Donna, and for sharing all of those ideas.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-360", "start": 2271.992, "end": 2272.331, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-361", "start": 2273.946, "end": 2275.077, "text": "That concludes testimony.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-362", "start": 2279.37, "end": 2292.58, "text": "Colleagues, I think we've heard a number of additional ideas, some of which have been part of our conversation and some of which have not yet thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-363", "start": 2292.58, "end": 2292.58, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Herbold, for that update.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-364", "start": 2292.58, "end": 2292.72, "text": "We appreciate that.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-365", "start": 2292.72, "end": 2296.6, "text": "We appreciate the information that we get from both Terry and Donna.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-366", "start": 2296.6, "end": 2321.485, "text": "I would like us to focus first on the first agenda item, the ordinance before us, and open up discussion on— sorry, I'm losing my page here— open up discussion on the ordinance to adopt council regular meeting schedule pursuant to code subsection 3.02010.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-367", "start": 2324.739, "end": 2331.648, "text": "We have a few amendments open, but I would like to start with the amendment that Councilor Kanal has put on the table.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-368", "start": 2331.712, "end": 2333.048, "text": "He was the first to propose one.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-369", "start": 2333.178, "end": 2337.424, "text": "It also generally relates to the discussion that we've already had.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-370", "start": 2337.472, "end": 2340.185, "text": "Councilor Kanal, are you in the queue to speak to that amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-371", "start": 2340.56, "end": 2340.986, "text": "I can be.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-372", "start": 2341.395, "end": 2342.756, "text": "Okay, why don't we start there?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-373", "start": 2343.936, "end": 2344.658, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-374", "start": 2347.496, "end": 2352.427, "text": "Colleagues, uh, today we are introducing an ordinance which would return council to scheduled weekly meetings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-375", "start": 2352.508, "end": 2355.527, "text": "It's being proposed by Councilor Dunphy, Councilor Avalos, and myself.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-376", "start": 2356.089, "end": 2370.128, "text": "Uh, we talked through the document at a work session last week, and based on those pieces of feedback heard from colleagues, uh, I have proposed an amendment which has been, um, agreed to by both co-sponsors as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-377", "start": 2370.176, "end": 2370.497, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-378", "start": 2371.203, "end": 2374.024, "text": "To reflect your feedback in it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-379", "start": 2374.152, "end": 2378.593, "text": "It does not reflect the things that were points of contention, as the council president brought up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-380", "start": 2378.657, "end": 2389.045, "text": "I think we can debate those subsequent to this amendment, but it does reflect everything that was discussed that was a consensus position or near consensus.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-381", "start": 2389.542, "end": 2392.091, "text": "So I'll just walk through it briefly.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-382", "start": 2393.149, "end": 2405.605, "text": "The key points here in the council findings, Section 1, It adjusts for the dates and times that have been updated since this was written in May.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-383", "start": 2406.169, "end": 2407.668, "text": "It removes references to July.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-384", "start": 2407.958, "end": 2408.798, "text": "We're past July now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-385", "start": 2409.249, "end": 2413.253, "text": "It adds into the findings the dates that we had scheduled special meetings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-386", "start": 2413.914, "end": 2417.993, "text": "And the key points are in the now therefore the council directs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-387", "start": 2419.017, "end": 2422.576, "text": "And it removes D, E, and F entirely.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-388", "start": 2422.625, "end": 2422.69, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-389", "start": 2423.546, "end": 2424.015, "text": "From it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-390", "start": 2425.164, "end": 2433.546, "text": "This is the removing the no executive sessions may be scheduled on Thursday between 2:00 and 5:00 PM unless with the written consent of at least 9 councilors.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-391", "start": 2433.837, "end": 2439.687, "text": "I'm realizing as I read this, and I'll mention now to Rebecca, sorry, Section C should also be removed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-392", "start": 2440.555, "end": 2442.19, "text": "That's based on feedback there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-393", "start": 2442.255, "end": 2443.583, "text": "So we'll send you that updated file.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-394", "start": 2445.153, "end": 2448.602, "text": "It removes the references to meetings on July 2nd and June 21st.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-395", "start": 2448.826, "end": 2448.97, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-396", "start": 2449.083, "end": 2477.629, "text": "That was Part E. And it also removes references to the budget-specific work sessions that are— and meetings that we'd already scheduled, which was Section F. So it narrows the field back down to the creation of a new schedule that has weekly meetings on Wednesday, the soft stop on, um, at 9 o'clock on evening meetings, and then there's updates to the impact statement to reflect everything I just said, and you can look down there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-397", "start": 2478.098, "end": 2494.34, "text": "Finally, although this was not discussed, I did take the opportunity to clarify one item in the second and third to last lines of the impact statement, which just had the word folks, and I expanded that out to emphasize who folks refers to, which is community, councilors, and staff.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-398", "start": 2494.76, "end": 2499.245, "text": "That was not discussed, but I figured it was— it made sense to update through this process as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-399", "start": 2501.414, "end": 2502.603, "text": "So that's what the amendment would do.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-400", "start": 2502.683, "end": 2504.225, "text": "I'm happy to take any questions on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-401", "start": 2504.306, "end": 2511.51, "text": "Again, this was, uh, my interpretation with colleagues based off of the full council feedback in the work session.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-402", "start": 2511.623, "end": 2512.919, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-403", "start": 2513.226, "end": 2513.955, "text": "And this was seconded.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-404", "start": 2514.538, "end": 2515.639, "text": "And this has been seconded.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-405", "start": 2517.397, "end": 2518.219, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-406", "start": 2518.38, "end": 2525.695, "text": "Colleagues, is there any discussion to the amendment before us as described by Councilor Kanal?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-407", "start": 2527.579, "end": 2530.819, "text": "I guess my question is, are they— is it— sorry, point of order.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-408", "start": 2531.609, "end": 2535.075, "text": "Because it's friendly, is it an amendment that we have to approve or no?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-409", "start": 2535.575, "end": 2540.293, "text": "I think that this is extensive enough that we should vote on it, just with all of those removals.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-410", "start": 2540.55, "end": 2543.899, "text": "Um, I hope it moves quickly, but I think we should vote.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-411", "start": 2544.494, "end": 2546.12, "text": "Uh, Councilor Zimmerman, was your hand up?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-412", "start": 2548.19, "end": 2548.548, "text": "Go right ahead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-413", "start": 2549.593, "end": 2549.854, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-414", "start": 2550.082, "end": 2565.991, "text": "Um, Councilor Knoll, I appreciate the detail in which you listened at those work sessions and, and C, D, E, and F being out, um, is enough for me to support this amendment and make this the new underlying baseline document.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-415", "start": 2566.767, "end": 2575.012, "text": "I also plan to support, uh, you know, Councilor Smith's, but this is, I think, a better start if that is, um, if it's going to go forward.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-416", "start": 2575.061, "end": 2586.449, "text": "So I just want to say thanks for that, and, and you'll have my support on this amendment to the and I'm not sure if everybody heard it, but just to clarify, C is not in the underlying file, but C should be removed as well.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-417", "start": 2586.514, "end": 2588.277, "text": "That's an error on our part when we sent it in.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-418", "start": 2588.341, "end": 2594.256, "text": "So I'd ask Councilor Green if you're okay with friendly amending this amendment to include the removal of C.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-419", "start": 2594.85, "end": 2603.971, "text": "So essentially the therefores would be A with the removal of the date and B, and that's really what we're talking about here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-420", "start": 2605.236, "end": 2605.349, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-421", "start": 2605.642, "end": 2606.486, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-422", "start": 2606.551, "end": 2607.493, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-423", "start": 2608.013, "end": 2609.978, "text": "That was almost exactly what I was going to say.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-424", "start": 2610.449, "end": 2610.757, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-425", "start": 2613.34, "end": 2614.148, "text": "Councilor Smith?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-426", "start": 2615.053, "end": 2616.039, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-427", "start": 2616.185, "end": 2625.709, "text": "I am in favor of weekly council meetings and generally supportive of Councilor Kanal's proposed amendment, which appears to meet several of our shared goals.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-428", "start": 2626.227, "end": 2630.362, "text": "One area of concern that I have is with introducing 2 evening meetings, Yes.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-429", "start": 2630.426, "end": 2639.675, "text": "Considering the, the increased costs and the toll evening meetings have on our support staff, that, that would not be the most optimal way to go about it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-430", "start": 2640.061, "end": 2658.125, "text": "In the financial and budgetary impact section of the amendment, it is suggested that the proposed changes would occur parallel to a corresponding reduction in committee meetings in a way that would mitigate, cancel out, or even exceed the budget increase from the additional full council meetings.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-431", "start": 2659.024, "end": 2674.272, "text": "But since its submission, the current best proposal for a subcommittee structure includes 5 standing committees down from 8, which would not reduce committee meetings or meeting time enough to be proportional to weekly council meetings as proposed.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-432", "start": 2674.769, "end": 2683.388, "text": "It seems that the only way to mitigate a substantial increase in cost without rejecting the proposal would be to limit evening meetings to once per month.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-433", "start": 2683.5, "end": 2694.74, "text": "Councilmember Smith, Individual council offices may be able to hold office hours in the evening on an individual need— needed basis to increase opportunities to, uh, engage with the public.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-434", "start": 2695.366, "end": 2700.103, "text": "And engagement is important and it's critical, and I've, I've heard a lot about that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-435", "start": 2700.376, "end": 2704.663, "text": "So that's where I'm at about the, the current proposal.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-436", "start": 2705.739, "end": 2706.461, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-437", "start": 2707.184, "end": 2708.934, "text": "Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-438", "start": 2709.737, "end": 2710.605, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-439", "start": 2711.022, "end": 2715.184, "text": "Um, I agree with Councilor Smith, but I also had a question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-440", "start": 2715.232, "end": 2718.943, "text": "So if this passes today, when does it go into effect?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-441", "start": 2721.455, "end": 2724.983, "text": "So this is an ordinance that does not currently have an emergency clause.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-442", "start": 2725.627, "end": 2736.617, "text": "So we are considering amendments today, but unless somebody introduces an emergency clause, this would actually move to the calendar on September September 3rd for passage.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-443", "start": 2737.195, "end": 2741.518, "text": "Non-emergency ordinances go into effect 30 days after passage.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-444", "start": 2742.418, "end": 2757.024, "text": "I have scheduled out on our calendars, or I have had the clerk hold time on our calendars, every Wednesday morning moving forward, and we have been scheduling those as special meetings.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-445", "start": 2757.153, "end": 2768.565, "text": "So it would be my intent, if it appears that we're moving in the direction of passing this to begin implementing a schedule as close to this as we can get through special meetings immediately upon passage.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-446", "start": 2769.082, "end": 2782.997, "text": "But it would not go into effect until 30 days after passage, which would either— or 30 days after passage, which would likely be September 3rd, I believe, is that first Wednesday of the month, unless we were to add an emergency clause today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-447", "start": 2784.88, "end": 2785.972, "text": "Okay, I was thinking October.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-448", "start": 2786.266, "end": 2790.697, "text": "But maybe I'm— am I calculating that right?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-449", "start": 2791.34, "end": 2791.757, "text": "October.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-450", "start": 2791.902, "end": 2796.333, "text": "October 3rd would be the effective date if it was 30 days after passage on September 3rd.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-451", "start": 2796.398, "end": 2799.737, "text": "Okay, but you're basically scheduling as though it were the real thing.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-452", "start": 2800.492, "end": 2820.272, "text": "We have been scheduling special meetings to allow us to get through our work without running overtime for the last few weeks, and I would intend to continue that practice unless I heard from folks can you talk a little bit about the budget impact and what that means for the Council Clerk's Office?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-453", "start": 2823.298, "end": 2830.38, "text": "I can do my best, and I also may phone a friend as I start to talk because I would—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-454", "start": 2830.493, "end": 2831.429, "text": "Just a point of order.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-455", "start": 2831.687, "end": 2837.258, "text": "I want to make sure, because I'm a little bit— I want to make sure we're talking about the amendment because then we have the overarching vote.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-456", "start": 2838.274, "end": 2850.365, "text": "And I know it was friendly, but that could be confusing because— and I'm sorry, Councilor, but like right now as it reads with 2 night meetings, I'll be a no vote on the overarching document.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-457", "start": 2850.799, "end": 2855.295, "text": "But this amendment I think is an improvement to the overarching document, so I plan to vote for the amendment.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-458", "start": 2856.081, "end": 2859.807, "text": "I just want to clarify that because it is a strange friendly amendment but substantive.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-459", "start": 2860.112, "end": 2861.364, "text": "Let's do this, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-460", "start": 2861.477, "end": 2876.283, "text": "There is a fair amount of data that we've been sent about cost of previous meetings, and I'm going to see if we can get somebody from our city operations team here to talk specific numbers on costs when we get back to the underlying ordinance.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-461", "start": 2876.91, "end": 2883.96, "text": "So let's hold on the answer to that question, but I'll make sure that we have information at least as good as what I can share and hopefully better.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-462", "start": 2884.217, "end": 2884.442, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-463", "start": 2884.506, "end": 2885.534, "text": "Once we're through this amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-464", "start": 2885.598, "end": 2892.199, "text": "Let me just say that I, I don't feel a real sense of urgency right now before the end of the year to have these meetings.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-465", "start": 2893.798, "end": 2904.702, "text": "I'm not feeling that kind of sense of urgency, but I am really concerned about the impact on staff, not— and not just the clerk staff, but all the other staff that we have come to this committee as well.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-466", "start": 2905.379, "end": 2906.846, "text": "Just put— I'll put that out there.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-467", "start": 2906.942, "end": 2907.539, "text": "I'm very concerned.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-468", "start": 2909.158, "end": 2909.433, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-469", "start": 2910.307, "end": 2911.019, "text": "Councilor Kanal?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-470", "start": 2913.382, "end": 2925.925, "text": "I, I just, uh, ask for, if you could, uh, Madam President, take Councilor Zimmerman's point, because it was a point of order, that that's— this entire conversation around evening meetings is sort of separate from the amendment we're currently discussing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-471", "start": 2926.278, "end": 2926.696, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-472", "start": 2926.921, "end": 2928.363, "text": "So I do want to talk about it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-473", "start": 2928.444, "end": 2934.17, "text": "I just want to separate the conversation, and I just ask for that point of order to be acted upon.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-474", "start": 2935.585, "end": 2936.351, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-475", "start": 2938.246, "end": 2939.853, "text": "Any other discussion to the amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-476", "start": 2940.313, "end": 2940.427, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-477", "start": 2943.516, "end": 2954.408, "text": "Rebecca, could you please call the roll on the amendment from Councilor Kanal, which among other things removes, uh, C, D, and E from the enacted language, and F?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-478", "start": 2958.094, "end": 2959.127, "text": "Can I ask a point of order?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-479", "start": 2959.482, "end": 2963.228, "text": "Okay, we're, we're voting on the overall—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-480", "start": 2963.341, "end": 2965.763, "text": "We're voting on Councilor Kanal's amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-481", "start": 2966.167, "end": 2967.669, "text": "Okay, which would remove the original—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-482", "start": 2967.766, "end": 2970.659, "text": "His original C, D, E, and F, among other changes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-483", "start": 2971.286, "end": 2972.793, "text": "Based on the conversation last week.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-484", "start": 2972.841, "end": 2980.087, "text": "Okay, I'm sorry to be dense, but when are we gonna vote on Councilor Smith's amendment?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-485", "start": 2980.2, "end": 2984.929, "text": "Presumably that will be— I have that written down as the next thing on the list in the order things were proposed previously.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-486", "start": 2984.993, "end": 2986.211, "text": "Just wanted some reassurance.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-487", "start": 2987.413, "end": 2987.67, "text": "Me too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-488", "start": 2987.894, "end": 2992.287, "text": "We will get to have the conversation on night meetings posthaste.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-489", "start": 2993.184, "end": 2994.579, "text": "Rebecca, could you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-490", "start": 2995.445, "end": 2996.855, "text": "Just one point of clarification.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-491", "start": 2997.354, "end": 3001.542, "text": "This is Canal 1 for document 2025-300.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-492", "start": 3002.009, "end": 3002.138, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-493", "start": 3002.347, "end": 3003.136, "text": "Plus C.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-494", "start": 3004.022, "end": 3007.785, "text": "Canal 1 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"text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-504", "start": 3019.097, "end": 3019.145, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-505", "start": 3019.565, "end": 3020.453, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-506", "start": 3024.405, "end": 3024.421, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-507", "start": 3025.056, "end": 3025.072, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-508", "start": 3026.767, "end": 3026.815, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-509", "start": 3028.233, "end": 3028.282, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-510", "start": 3030.587, "end": 3030.636, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-511", "start": 3034.227, "end": 3034.356, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-512", "start": 3035.359, "end": 3038.368, "text": "And the amendment is approved with 12 aye and 0 nay votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-513", "start": 3041.279, "end": 3042.086, "text": "Thank you, Rebecca.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-514", "start": 3042.731, "end": 3048.379, "text": "Colleagues, we did have 2 other amendments that were proposed previously to this ordinance.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-515", "start": 3048.46, "end": 3050.931, "text": "Councilor Smith, do you have the written version of your amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-516", "start": 3052.041, "end": 3068.789, "text": "I don't have a— Madam President, I don't have a written proposal other than the fact that, um, what I said earlier, to have all council meetings on Wednesdays starting at 9:30.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-517", "start": 3069.388, "end": 3074.208, "text": "The 3rd Wednesday of the month, we have 2 council meetings, one in the morning and one in the evening.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-518", "start": 3076.411, "end": 3077.187, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-519", "start": 3077.301, "end": 3079.129, "text": "And there was a second to that, I believe.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-520", "start": 3080.877, "end": 3084.969, "text": "Okay, colleagues, is there discussion on Councilor Smith's amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-521", "start": 3085.114, "end": 3087.922, "text": "And Rebecca, we are working on getting that in written form for you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-522", "start": 3089.303, "end": 3090.041, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-523", "start": 3091.132, "end": 3092.127, "text": "So thank you, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-524", "start": 3092.272, "end": 3093.572, "text": "I plan to support the amendment.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-525", "start": 3094.021, "end": 3110.787, "text": "I, I think it is the underlying change to the document that couldn't get me to support weekly meetings, uh, as the I've said before, the largest city in Oregon should have weekly council meetings.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-526", "start": 3110.852, "end": 3112.308, "text": "I feel very strongly about that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-527", "start": 3112.98, "end": 3114.587, "text": "There's a lot to continue to fix.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-528", "start": 3114.876, "end": 3125.26, "text": "And I also appreciate the consistency that you introduced by not having an either/or on that 3rd Wednesday, but having an increase.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-529", "start": 3126.256, "end": 3127.252, "text": "And I appreciate that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-530", "start": 3127.397, "end": 3135.521, "text": "I share Councilor Clark's concerns about 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"speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-537", "start": 3155.984, "end": 3156.289, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-538", "start": 3160.435, "end": 3161.37, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-539", "start": 3162.127, "end": 3164.752, "text": "I want to note 2 things.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-540", "start": 3164.929, "end": 3170.72, "text": "Um, there's been a lot of conversation about cost, and I appreciate, Councilor Clark, that you brought that up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-541", "start": 3171.527, "end": 3185.865, "text": "Um, I do believe, and I'm waiting to hear back, that having 2 meetings that day, um, Could increase costs because of the length of the day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-542", "start": 3185.946, "end": 3210.891, "text": "What I've heard from staff is that if we go from 9:30 in the morning— and we've discussed this when talking about committee schedules, so I hadn't talked to them about it in the council context, but I'm, I'm taking that information from talking about committees to council— if we have a day that goes from 9:30 in the morning until 9 o'clock at night, that's about a 16-hour day for staff when you include the prep and wrap-up time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-543", "start": 3211.612, "end": 3217.733, "text": "And that creates a fair amount of additional cost for some of the teams that support us.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-544", "start": 3218.582, "end": 3228.998, "text": "I am very supportive of narrowing down to one evening meeting for a lot of reasons, including the impact on our staff.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-545", "start": 3229.559, "end": 3243.177, "text": "I had put in our budget and was pleased to see council support 2 evening meetings in our budgeted for, thinking that one of those would be for committees, but that we would have one evening council meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-546", "start": 3243.225, "end": 3246.387, "text": "I'm very supportive to moving to back to one evening council meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-547", "start": 3246.965, "end": 3253.192, "text": "I do have some concerns about the long day of the, the morning meeting still being scheduled on that day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-548", "start": 3253.963, "end": 3259.869, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, I hear your argument about predictability, but I just want to raise those cost and staffing concerns.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-549", "start": 3259.917, "end": 3260.045, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-550", "start": 3260.394, "end": 3262.141, "text": "Um, so that we're making an informed decision.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-551", "start": 3263.79, "end": 3265.488, "text": "Point of order, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-552", "start": 3266.222, "end": 3269.826, "text": "Um, is there something in the charter that says we have to have one night meeting?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-553", "start": 3270.183, "end": 3271.271, "text": "Where, where did we get that from?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-554", "start": 3272.643, "end": 3273.499, "text": "It's in the charter?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-555", "start": 3275.614, "end": 3276.921, "text": "It is not in the charter.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-556", "start": 3277.002, "end": 3281.928, "text": "I believe that it was added in code around our schedule.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-557", "start": 3282.317, "end": 3283.37, "text": "Okay, okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-558", "start": 3284.115, "end": 3290.042, "text": "But I'm willing— I, I'm willing to accept a friendly amendment that would put it on another day so we don't have a night 19-hour day.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-559", "start": 3290.203, "end": 3301.308, "text": "But I just, I just think that, um, whatever day we put it on, it's going to link— it's going to still extend that day, even if we change it to Thursday or Tuesday or Monday.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-560", "start": 3302.221, "end": 3325.497, "text": "If we were to not have the morning meeting that day so that our support teams could come in later that day, essentially work with their supervisors to flex their time, so we would have, depending on if there were 3 or 4 weeks in a month, either— rather, if there are 4 or 5 weeks in a month, have either 3 or 4 morning meetings, but the day that we had an evening meeting, not have a morning meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-561", "start": 3325.933, "end": 3329.945, "text": "The trade-off is we would lose the consistency that Councilor Zimmerman has mentioned.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-562", "start": 3330.543, "end": 3333.39, "text": "That would address the concerns that I've raised.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-563", "start": 3334.71, "end": 3338.221, "text": "Yeah, it would be great to hear some more discussion about that and what that would look like.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-564", "start": 3339.96, "end": 3340.637, "text": "Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-565", "start": 3341.052, "end": 3343.862, "text": "Well, I, I would just say it's a long day.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-566", "start": 3344.328, "end": 3347.844, "text": "If we could start that day at 2:30 or something like that.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-567", "start": 3347.941, "end": 3349.851, "text": "We've done that in the past, I think, our others.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-568", "start": 3350.59, "end": 3353.866, "text": "Um, maybe you— should I make a friendly amendment to that?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-569", "start": 3355.038, "end": 3355.439, "text": "I've just—.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-570", "start": 3355.584, "end": 3363.178, "text": "Would you accept a friendly amendment to your amendment just to, to not have a, a Wednesday morning meeting and just substitute it with an evening meeting?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-571", "start": 3363.291, "end": 3366.229, "text": "No, to keep the evening meeting, but not start in the morning.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-572", "start": 3366.585, "end": 3367.524, "text": "We can start in the afternoon.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-573", "start": 3367.783, "end": 3370.358, "text": "On the 3rd Wednesday to not have a morning meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-574", "start": 3370.406, "end": 3370.876, "text": "Exactly.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-575", "start": 3372.479, "end": 3379.372, "text": "I'd be okay with that if that's what people believe is good on the staff.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-576", "start": 3380.181, "end": 3388.623, "text": "Councilor Clark, can I recommend that we hear, because there are a number of folks in the queue from others, and have you come back and offer that friendly amendment after we hear a little more discussion?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-577", "start": 3388.897, "end": 3390.331, "text": "I'm very supportive of it, but—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-578", "start": 3390.331, "end": 3390.766, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-579", "start": 3390.911, "end": 3394.703, "text": "Well, that's not why I got myself in the queue, but it was just— for the moment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-580", "start": 3395.585, "end": 3403.251, "text": "What I really wanted to ask you about, Madam President, is just— you made the comment about evening meetings for committees.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-581", "start": 3404.149, "end": 3410.773, "text": "I'll be interested in that, that we hold that option open for committee chairs to have evening meetings.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-582", "start": 3410.885, "end": 3418.166, "text": "And I don't know how that factors into our budget or how we get permission to do that, but I just want to say that I think we should have that option.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-583", "start": 3419.417, "end": 3419.705, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-584", "start": 3419.899, "end": 3427.619, "text": "I'm happy to discuss my thoughts on that more when we talk about committees, or we can wait, get through, see where we land with committees, and then figure out implementation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-585", "start": 3428.39, "end": 3428.888, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-586", "start": 3428.984, "end": 3429.916, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-587", "start": 3431.876, "end": 3441.834, "text": "I also am interested in what it looks like for one of those 2 evening council meetings to be subbed out for a slot for possible evening committee meetings.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-588", "start": 3442.449, "end": 3450.074, "text": "I'm not saying that I'm one way or the other, but I'm interested in what that looks like and the cost from my understanding, it would be a lot less more.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-589", "start": 3450.365, "end": 3456.156, "text": "I do think while I am a morning person, we do see higher engagement and attendance in the evening.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-590", "start": 3456.907, "end": 3461.004, "text": "If it also is to support our committee work, that could also make sense to me.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-591", "start": 3463.089, "end": 3463.801, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-592", "start": 3463.978, "end": 3464.657, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-593", "start": 3466.339, "end": 3472.047, "text": "Yeah, I agree that we shouldn't be having anybody work 16-hour days.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-594", "start": 3473.78, "end": 3481.921, "text": "I rather like the idea of having— always having Wednesday morning meetings.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-595", "start": 3482.033, "end": 3488.751, "text": "So I would— might be comfortable with having the night meeting be on a different day, like Thursday evening.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-596", "start": 3490.294, "end": 3510.81, "text": "That means we have more overall meetings, but it might help us use the night meetings in a more targeted way for topics which we know are going to have lots of public I mean, I think that maybe we could do just fine having the one meeting a month being a night meeting and not having it every Wednesday morning.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-597", "start": 3511.813, "end": 3513.899, "text": "But so I'm sort of teetering between those two.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-598", "start": 3513.996, "end": 3522.635, "text": "Do we have 3 morning meetings and one night meeting on a different night, or do we have 4 morning meetings plus a night meeting on a different night?", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-599", "start": 3524.187, "end": 3532.832, "text": "As to the idea of starting the meeting, Councilor Clark's idea of starting the meeting at 2:30, I do not like the idea of our meeting from 2:30 to 9 at night.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-600", "start": 3532.978, "end": 3536.563, "text": "I don't think, don't think that we function well when we're meeting 7 hours straight.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-601", "start": 3539.761, "end": 3540.468, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-602", "start": 3540.902, "end": 3541.673, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-603", "start": 3545.241, "end": 3551.25, "text": "I think that when it comes to evening meetings, for me it's more about what the goal is.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-604", "start": 3551.669, "end": 3569.243, "text": "And to me, the goal is increasing the participation of I obviously understand the logistical restraints, the feelings of— I definitely agree that there's no way I could support this amendment that currently, as it states, would be a full day, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-605", "start": 3569.323, "end": 3570.961, "text": "A whole morning and an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-606", "start": 3571.009, "end": 3574.382, "text": "I think that's more untenable for both staff and for us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-607", "start": 3575.249, "end": 3584.993, "text": "But the broader goal of this amendment being reducing our amount of council meetings from 2 in the evening to 1, I do not support.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-608", "start": 3585.586, "end": 3596.764, "text": "I understand and respect the staff impact, but also this is a new council, we have new expectations, and I don't think that our desire to increase the people's voice and representation in council should be prohibited by a staffing issue.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-609", "start": 3597.47, "end": 3598.929, "text": "So I will not be supporting this amendment.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-610", "start": 3599.057, "end": 3605.28, "text": "I would like to continue to have 2 evening meetings, or I would like to, I guess, start since we don't currently have that.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-611", "start": 3606.05, "end": 3612.652, "text": "I want to increase the amount of opportunities people have to engage with us in off hours.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-612", "start": 3615.5, "end": 3616.177, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-613", "start": 3618.12, "end": 3621.79, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, have you spoken to this amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-614", "start": 3621.951, "end": 3622.679, "text": "Ryan should speak.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-615", "start": 3622.986, "end": 3624.296, "text": "Okay, perfect.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-616", "start": 3624.457, "end": 3624.991, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-617", "start": 3626.721, "end": 3633.652, "text": "Council President, I like the consistency we're offering Portlanders with council meetings on Wednesdays, with one Wednesday being an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-618", "start": 3634.021, "end": 3635.161, "text": "I think that would simplify this.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-619", "start": 3636.478, "end": 3637.778, "text": "You like that friendly amendment?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-620", "start": 3637.923, "end": 3638.099, "text": "Yep.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-621", "start": 3638.742, "end": 3640.749, "text": "Councilor Smith likes that friendly amendment.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-622", "start": 3641.15, "end": 3646.577, "text": "Is that the same as the amendment Councilor Clark was proposing, or are you proposing something different?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-623", "start": 3646.914, "end": 3648.134, "text": "No, no, it's, it's different.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-624", "start": 3648.231, "end": 3649.949, "text": "So, okay, why don't you lay it out for us?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-625", "start": 3649.997, "end": 3652.935, "text": "This one, C, is we have a council meeting every Wednesday.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-626", "start": 3653.738, "end": 3656.885, "text": "One Wednesday a month we have council after dark.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-627", "start": 3656.949, "end": 3657.816, "text": "You know, we have an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-628", "start": 3658.956, "end": 3660.337, "text": "Sorry, college football's starting soon.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-629", "start": 3660.818, "end": 3661.091, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-630", "start": 3661.717, "end": 3666.87, "text": "So, Councilor, that would be instead of a 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3687.469, "text": "And who was our second on the— Councilor Ryan, you were the second on Councilor Smith's original yes, absolutely.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-638", "start": 3687.517, "end": 3688.554, "text": "Amendment, correct?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-639", "start": 3688.797, "end": 3689.219, "text": "Perfect.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-640", "start": 3689.672, "end": 3690.58, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-641", "start": 3690.839, "end": 3693.61, "text": "So this has been changed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-642", "start": 3693.658, "end": 3706.331, "text": "This proposal has been changed by a friendly amendment to be one evening meeting a month, and we would not have the morning meeting that day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-643", "start": 3706.54, "end": 3710.751, "text": "And I believe that this has been proposed for the 3rd Wednesday.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-644", "start": 3711.138, "end": 3711.928, "text": "Is that correct?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-645", "start": 3712.106, "end": 3713.493, "text": "Yeah, whatever it was earlier, it was the 3rd.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-646", "start": 3713.558, "end": 3713.88, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-647", "start": 3714.38, "end": 3721.014, "text": "This offers consistency for Portlanders, offers efficiency for our staff, and also it's cost sensitive.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-648", "start": 3721.88, "end": 3722.075, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-649", "start": 3722.872, "end": 3723.588, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-650", "start": 3725.247, "end": 3725.507, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-651", "start": 3725.719, "end": 3728.387, "text": "I, I think that's a fine, friendly amendment.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-652", "start": 3729.34, "end": 3734.208, "text": "I think it brings up an important piece here, and this is, this is why I care a lot that we have one night meeting.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-653", "start": 3734.937, "end": 3746.471, "text": "And it really gets to, we can either talk about supporting the employees who support us, or we can take action to support the employees who support us.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-654", "start": 3746.744, "end": 3757.625, "text": "And I think that taking action to limit the number of night meetings is one of those actions that reduces strain on a pretty significant apparatus to keep this animal alive.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-655", "start": 3758.684, "end": 3778.659, "text": "Um, it also really matters— there, I just want to highlight, there are a couple of with this many consistent meetings on 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and then a night meeting, because I, I think it would be unhealthy to go from 9:30 until 9 at night.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-661", "start": 3813.032, "end": 3817.761, "text": "But 3 hours and then many hours later, starting 6 hours later, starting again, that sent— that felt palatable.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-662", "start": 3817.809, "end": 3817.921, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-663", "start": 3818.647, "end": 3820.49, "text": "But I like the change that's been made.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-664", "start": 3820.587, "end": 3846.108, "text": "But it still has this underlying piece of, I think, reducing chaotic schedules, recognizing that a lot of folks keep us working and keep this dais alive, and that we, in the way we do or do not find the end of a meeting and think, We have to get through it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-665", "start": 3847.005, "end": 3849.858, "text": "Most of the time, there will always be another meeting.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-666", "start": 3850.371, "end": 3854.842, "text": "There are very few things that can't be tabled until the next meeting if we've blown through it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-667", "start": 3855.803, "end": 3861.54, "text": "And I recognize that that will happen, but to some other councilors' points, we're going to have so many more opportunities for this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-668", "start": 3862.149, "end": 3869.665, "text": "I think we need to lean into it and do our, our best to apply the principles about the nighttime meeting of finish up the last item.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-669", "start": 3869.713, "end": 3870.001, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-670", "start": 3871.567, "end": 3877.248, "text": "Or finish up the item that is open and then call it and apply that as much as we can stringently.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-671", "start": 3877.54, "end": 3883.971, "text": "And I'm not in favor of putting it in code, but I think it is a presiding officer's prerogative to help us stick to those timelines.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-672", "start": 3884.405, "end": 3888.638, "text": "It's about a 3-hour, maybe a 4-hour at most when we have these daytime morning meetings.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-673", "start": 3889.428, "end": 3901.256, "text": "So I think that we should take seriously, both in this conversation as well as when we get into committees, the impacts that we are having on the rest of the support staff who keep this council alive.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-674", "start": 3901.321, "end": 3901.627, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-675", "start": 3904.261, "end": 3905.084, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-676", "start": 3905.164, "end": 3909.777, "text": "Councilor Smith, we'll get right back to you, but we've had 2 people join the queue who haven't spoken yet to the amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-677", "start": 3910.58, "end": 3911.562, "text": "Okay, Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-678", "start": 3912.463, "end": 3913.413, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-679", "start": 3913.574, "end": 3915.667, "text": "I will be voting no on this amendment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-680", "start": 3915.828, "end": 3923.388, "text": "I appreciate that it has been improved, I think, by Councilor Ryan's friendly amendment to the amendment, but I think the underlying point Councilor Sameer Kanal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-681", "start": 3923.436, "end": 3923.837, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-682", "start": 3923.917, "end": 3926.466, "text": "I think the point that Councilor Avalos raised is still compelling to me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-683", "start": 3926.514, "end": 3928.31, "text": "So I just want to step back for a second.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-684", "start": 3928.727, "end": 3934.514, "text": "We budgeted in the budget for 2 evening meetings of some part of the council per month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-685", "start": 3934.979, "end": 3936.293, "text": "That's already approved.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-686", "start": 3936.822, "end": 3937.832, "text": "It has been funded.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-687", "start": 3938.762, "end": 3953.731, "text": "There were some parameters on that that needed to be created around not having a 6 o'clock meeting end up going till 11:13 like our first one did, that the point that the portion of the document which Councilor Zimmerman just mentioned, the soft stop, addresses.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-688", "start": 3954.325, "end": 3962.455, "text": "The question here is not whether we have 2 night meetings a month or 1, because it's not about— that's not the underlying question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-689", "start": 3962.504, "end": 3968.111, "text": "The underlying question is whether that second evening meeting is for the full council or would be reserved for a committee.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-690", "start": 3968.85, "end": 3971.469, "text": "Either way, it's funded and it is going to be staffed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-691", "start": 3971.517, "end": 3974.635, "text": "That's already approved in June, that there would be 2 meetings a month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-692", "start": 3974.683, "end": 3974.795, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-693", "start": 3974.892, "end": 3980.793, "text": "Some portion of this council in the evening, whether it's the full council or a committee, is yet to be determined.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-694", "start": 3981.531, "end": 3994.023, "text": "Um, secondly, the consistency argument— it is equally consistent to say morning, morning, evening, morning, or morning, evening, morning, evening if it's the same thing every month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-695", "start": 3994.44, "end": 3996.028, "text": "Neither is more consistent than the other.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-696", "start": 3996.926, "end": 4011.501, "text": "Um, so I think as long as the adoption of this ordinance in some form will create that consistency in a way that improves upon the current practice, which I appreciate from the Council President, of augmenting our additional schedule with special meetings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-697", "start": 4011.71, "end": 4011.87, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-698", "start": 4012.591, "end": 4023.462, "text": "So given all of that, the real question here is fundamentally, do we want a second meeting in the evening to be for a committee, which would be inconsistent which committee it would be, right?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-699", "start": 4023.558, "end": 4029.988, "text": "That would change over time, which would be not necessarily— we have no understanding of what the process for yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-700", "start": 4030.052, "end": 4032.476, "text": "Determining that would be because we haven't built one yet.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-701", "start": 4032.926, "end": 4040.215, "text": "Um, or do we want it to be for where the people come, which is the council, which is the full council as it has been for decades and it should remain?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-702", "start": 4040.874, "end": 4055.597, "text": "Um, and I have seen the patterns of who comes and how many people come in the evening for the full council versus the daytime meetings, and it is very, very clear that there is more appetite for the evening meetings on the whole.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-703", "start": 4056.207, "end": 4066.792, "text": "And I, in particular, after, as the council president has noted, her choice to schedule, I think in a really good way, those items that are of public concern primarily in the evenings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-704", "start": 4067.45, "end": 4069.651, "text": "So with that said, I'll be voting no on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-705", "start": 4069.779, "end": 4077.874, "text": "I think we need to retain the idea that this entire purpose of this enterprise is to feed, is to serve the people.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-706", "start": 4078.79, "end": 4081.729, "text": "And we've already addressed much of the staff concerns, but fundamentally, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-707", "start": 4082.003, "end": 4091.56, "text": "We've lost the fact that, that having people be able to come and testify here before their elected representatives, all 12 of us, is the underlying purpose of, of this entire enterprise.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-708", "start": 4092.32, "end": 4092.497, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-709", "start": 4095.068, "end": 4095.796, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-710", "start": 4095.877, "end": 4096.685, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-711", "start": 4099.014, "end": 4101.391, "text": "Um, Councilor Kanal actually answered most of my questions.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-712", "start": 4101.439, "end": 4108.521, "text": "I was going to ask logistically what it's going to take to adjust the budget, uh, if we were to have 2 evening council meetings.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-713", "start": 4108.57, "end": 4112.948, "text": "So hearing that we have already budgeted for that makes me feel better about this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-714", "start": 4113.044, "end": 4126.081, "text": "I completely agree that we do need to have more evening meetings because there are very different types of people that are able to attend in the middle of the day versus people who are— who I've seen come at council at evening meetings.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-715", "start": 4126.658, "end": 4131.758, "text": "I am also perfectly fine with Councilor Ryan's friendly amendment to this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-716", "start": 4131.806, "end": 4133.057, "text": "I think it was common sense.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-717", "start": 4134.035, "end": 4149.463, "text": "And I agree with Councilor Zimmerman as well that there— we do need to have some limits so that people are at their best when we're on the dais and that our staff can also, you know, have lives that they are organizing around work and they know exactly when things are going to end.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-718", "start": 4149.527, "end": 4156.645, "text": "But overall, we do want evening engagement for council meetings and ideally one day for committee meetings as well.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-719", "start": 4156.726, "end": 4158.373, "text": "So I'll be supportive of this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-720", "start": 4158.551, "end": 4158.89, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-721", "start": 4160.669, "end": 4161.429, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-722", "start": 4162.61, "end": 4163.596, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-723", "start": 4165.9, "end": 4174.526, "text": "Yeah, I just, I think that the number of items where it's the people want to come in the evening to talk about them is limited.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-724", "start": 4175.464, "end": 4182.499, "text": "So I just intuitively think that having one night a month is going to be enough to satisfy that desire.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-725", "start": 4183.049, "end": 4201.857, "text": "And I'm curious if Councilor Avalos or Councilor Kanal can come up with examples of in the past 6 months of an item which should have been heard at an evening meeting but was heard at a day meeting, and therefore you think that that limited what would have been robust public input.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-726", "start": 4203.88, "end": 4205.057, "text": "Councilor, would you like to respond?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-727", "start": 4205.138, "end": 4207.122, "text": "I don't want to use my second attempt, but—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-728", "start": 4207.38, "end": 4210.042, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-729", "start": 4210.267, "end": 4212.913, "text": "Councilor Avalos, would you like to respond briefly?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-730", "start": 4213.413, "end": 4214.975, "text": "I don't have a specific example.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-731", "start": 4215.2, "end": 4216.182, "text": "I don't think I need one.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-732", "start": 4216.311, "end": 4229.186, "text": "I don't think we've even gotten— we've even scratched the surface of the types of topics So I'm looking to the future of how we're setting up a system for people to engage with us.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-733", "start": 4229.25, "end": 4232.333, "text": "So I don't think that an example is necessarily relevant.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-734", "start": 4232.478, "end": 4239.613, "text": "I don't have a specific one other than, I guess, the second Councilor Kanal to say this one is probably the best example I come up with on the spot.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-735", "start": 4242.814, "end": 4244.178, "text": "Councilor Novick, anything further?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-736", "start": 4245.116, "end": 4245.987, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-737", "start": 4247.573, "end": 4257.828, "text": "I'd like to start with saying I do appreciate, Council President, how you've been intentional about putting items that seem to have a lot of public interest for evening meetings, scheduling them then.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-738", "start": 4260.993, "end": 4270.989, "text": "I like the idea of having the option to be able to, for the public to meet us, come meet, come before us 2 times a month in the evening.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-739", "start": 4273.732, "end": 4281.688, "text": "I— it's— we don't necessarily have to use both of those, especially as you're very intentional about scheduling.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-740", "start": 4282.673, "end": 4284.82, "text": "They could always be taken off the schedule.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-741", "start": 4285.272, "end": 4289.92, "text": "It's always easier to take something off the schedule, cancel it, than to try to fit it in.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-742", "start": 4291.465, "end": 4302.149, "text": "As this is now, I do not plan to support it without seeing that it's in writing and it's clear that the public could meet us in the evening 2 times a month.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-743", "start": 4306.599, "end": 4317.14, "text": "Councilor, are you referring to having a committee 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things off the agenda, then people don't have a sense that this is a regular occurrence.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-750", "start": 4350.61, "end": 4350.722, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-751", "start": 4351.139, "end": 4356.125, "text": "So putting things on and off as we feel, that's, that's not a, that's not a good option.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-752", "start": 4356.734, "end": 4364.447, "text": "We need to be able to give the public 3 days, 3 days a month when we're going to meet, and then that one day for the evening.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-753", "start": 4364.511, "end": 4383.371, "text": "Now, there are going to be some extraordinarily special meetings that may not be a committee meeting or may not be a, um, a council meeting that is of public interest that we might need to have a an evening meeting that all of us are here for.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-754", "start": 4384.094, "end": 4390.05, "text": "So it may be a work session that people are highly interested in that we have at night.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-755", "start": 4390.515, "end": 4393.87, "text": "So I think we need to have the flexibility to do that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-756", "start": 4394.031, "end": 4405.798, "text": "But I think, as Councilor Ryan said, his friendly amendment is probably our best bet to keeping things very simple and having a routine.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-757", "start": 4405.862, "end": 4406.055, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-758", "start": 4406.552, "end": 4410.611, "text": "So that people can get used to a routine of when we're actually meeting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-759", "start": 4410.867, "end": 4412.182, "text": "Because right now we don't have that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-760", "start": 4412.311, "end": 4413.819, "text": "It's all over the place.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-761", "start": 4414.412, "end": 4417.139, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-762", "start": 4418.085, "end": 4420.235, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, I don't believe you've spoken to this amendment yet.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-763", "start": 4420.283, "end": 4420.828, "text": "I have not.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-764", "start": 4420.892, "end": 4421.261, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-765", "start": 4421.71, "end": 4426.121, "text": "You know, colleagues, I am going to be supportive of the Smith Amendment as changed.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-766", "start": 4426.747, "end": 4431.014, "text": "I am not right now inclined to have 2 evening meetings a month.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-767", "start": 4431.174, "end": 4434.125, "text": "I don't think that we have yet demonstrated as a body that that is necessary.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-768", "start": 4434.623, "end": 4443.511, "text": "We have the budget in order to have 2 evening events happen, meaning a council meeting and potentially a committee meeting, potentially a special hearing.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-769", "start": 4444.59, "end": 4445.845, "text": "We can always change our rules.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-770", "start": 4445.942, "end": 4451.157, "text": "We will inevitably change our rules in the next 6 months when we decide that what we're agreeing on today isn't working for us.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-771", "start": 4454.825, "end": 4459.469, "text": "I don't feel like we have yet reached a point in our flow where that is quite necessary.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-772", "start": 4459.518, "end": 4461.711, "text": "So I will be supportive of having one evening meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-773", "start": 4461.759, "end": 4461.985, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-774", "start": 4462.397, "end": 4476.616, "text": "I also am very supportive of the idea of intentionally building in space for committee meetings in the evenings, especially because I think as we progress this conversation further, we will see the definitions of why we have committees being a little bit more clear.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-775", "start": 4477.082, "end": 4479.81, "text": "And so I will be supportive of this amendment.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-776", "start": 4479.923, "end": 4482.715, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-777", "start": 4482.94, "end": 4485.219, "text": "Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-778", "start": 4486.407, "end": 4487.899, "text": "I'm sorry, did you call me?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-779", "start": 4488.252, "end": 4489.102, "text": "Okay, good.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-780", "start": 4490.24, "end": 4500.021, "text": "I just want to remind people that it's not just the council clerk's office, it's not just BTS, and it's not just security that is supporting us.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-781", "start": 4500.502, "end": 4504.719, "text": "It's all the people in the bureaus, and we have seen them here.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-782", "start": 4504.991, "end": 4511.068, "text": "We don't always see them here because they're over in the Portland building listening to us and being on call in case we have a question.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-783", "start": 4511.501, "end": 4516.519, "text": "And we forget that those are costs too, that all those— I'm afraid we're going to burn those people out.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-784", "start": 4517.721, "end": 4524.605, "text": "And that's an ongoing concern I have, if we haven't already burnt them out by our endless debating about things.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-785", "start": 4526.1, "end": 4528.832, "text": "But I'm pro the one meeting, just be clear.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-786", "start": 4529.161, "end": 4529.967, "text": "Just want to remind people.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-787", "start": 4531.54, "end": 4533.182, "text": "Thank you, Councilor, for bringing that up.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-788", "start": 4533.361, "end": 4540.78, "text": "I do think that that's one of the places where the impact difference between committees and Council is clear.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-789", "start": 4542.043, "end": 4542.626, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-790", "start": 4546.222, "end": 4558.146, "text": "I just wanted to push back on the idea, or maybe answer Councilor Novick's question regarding matters of public interest, because I think that there have been quite a lot, but we haven't always had an opportunity to do an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-791", "start": 4558.723, "end": 4566.353, "text": "The top 3 that came to mind for me were the Zenith resolution, the algorithmic price fixing ban, which I will be bringing back.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-792", "start": 4567.154, "end": 4571.225, "text": "Anything regarding ICE right now is going to be a huge matter of public interest.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-793", "start": 4571.883, "end": 4577.319, "text": "The Portland Street Response resolution, the Albina settlement, any of the police settlements.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-794", "start": 4577.399, "end": 4582.034, "text": "I'm sure we will have a lot of people coming in if we have it more publicly available.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-795", "start": 4583.028, "end": 4601.284, "text": "So I think that there are a lot of matters of public interest, and what I have seen in my committee meetings, even with people who I agree with and like, is that the people who can come and testify generally are either wealthy, retired, Or they tend to be lobbyists for organizations and they're paid.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-796", "start": 4601.381, "end": 4608.031, "text": "And again, those could be people I agree with and like, but you get a different type of person that comes in in the evening meetings.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-797", "start": 4608.769, "end": 4622.696, "text": "And I think that that's really important and valuable for us as a council to hear, because during our committee meetings too, it's different when the full body of council is hearing the testimony than it is when someone is reading off to you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-798", "start": 4622.744, "end": 4623.001, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-799", "start": 4623.787, "end": 4629.222, "text": "Hey, the staff summary says that 12 people testified and they were all strongly in favor of this because of XYZ.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-800", "start": 4629.719, "end": 4640.029, "text": "That doesn't have the same emotional impact for us as legislators and leaders as it does when you are face to face with your community and you have to answer them and you have to look them in the eyes and say yes or no on something.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-801", "start": 4640.542, "end": 4647.806, "text": "So I think that, um, overall having 2 evening meetings that we have already budgeted for is reasonable.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-802", "start": 4648.319, "end": 4657.877, "text": "I think there will be lots of matters of public interest as long as we thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-803", "start": 4658.006, "end": 4667.806, "text": "I hesitated to get in the queue, but I do think that it's important to note that as we talk about accessibility of meetings, evening meetings are really important.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-804", "start": 4667.854, "end": 4677.012, "text": "There are people who can come who can't come during the day, but we shouldn't assume that people who work are better off coming to an evening meeting than during the day.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-805", "start": 4677.114, "end": 4679.485, "text": "We have members of our community who work shift work.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-806", "start": 4679.582, "end": 4687.745, "text": "We have members of our community who work in, um, hospitality and entertainment industries for whom a daytime meeting actually can be better.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-807", "start": 4688.131, "end": 4698.71, "text": "Um, and I just want to make sure that we are not making assumptions about who has access to what types— times of day, um, thinking only about people who work 9 to 5.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-808", "start": 4700.335, "end": 4702.87, "text": "Well, yes, I think I was talking— Councilor, it was a broader comment.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-809", "start": 4706.385, "end": 4718.517, "text": "Yes, I do have a written up, um, amendment, and I, I'd like to move to amend this ordinance by replacing A1 and A2 with the following.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-810", "start": 4719.033, "end": 4729.463, "text": "Number 1, on the 1st, 2nd— on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and any 5th Wednesday of each month beginning at 9:30 AM 2.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-811", "start": 4730.094, "end": 4733.864, "text": "On the 3rd Wednesday of each month beginning at 6 PM.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-812", "start": 4735.174, "end": 4745.977, "text": "And amend the ordinance by inserting a new Section A.3 and renumbering the current A.3 to A.4.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-813", "start": 4746.575, "end": 4753.454, "text": "Any regular meeting that is recessed with unheard agenda items will continue at 2 PM the following Thursday.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-814", "start": 4753.535, "end": 4753.681, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-815", "start": 4755.151, "end": 4759.194, "text": "That is just the housekeeping rule that I didn't have in before.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-816", "start": 4760.74, "end": 4761.417, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-817", "start": 4761.562, "end": 4765.627, "text": "And if your team can share that with everybody and get it to the clerk, that would be helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-818", "start": 4766.46, "end": 4766.751, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-819", "start": 4767.122, "end": 4767.834, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-820", "start": 4770.113, "end": 4770.987, "text": "Uh, 2 things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-821", "start": 4771.084, "end": 4772.296, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-822", "start": 4772.458, "end": 4785.782, "text": "Um, first, I appreciate the point you made, Madam President, and I— it gave me an opportunity to, to mention why, because I was asked earlier, why is it alternating for first and third, second and fourth, as opposed to some other form of configuration there.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-823", "start": 4786.863, "end": 4789.058, "text": "And it relates to your point about shift work.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-824", "start": 4789.107, "end": 4793.288, "text": "And I remember I've worked retail, I've worked hospitality, I've had different schedules.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-825", "start": 4795.306, "end": 4797.544, "text": "Ordinances are generally heard in 2 successive meetings.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-826", "start": 4797.721, "end": 4808.066, "text": "So having the opportunity for one of those 2 meetings to be in the evening allows for at least those regardless of schedule to take part in some way in part of that conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-827", "start": 4808.115, "end": 4808.214, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-828", "start": 4809.007, "end": 4816.346, "text": "And so I do think that that variety, as Councilor Murillo brought up, is vital to ensuring that everyone can participate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-829", "start": 4817.099, "end": 4829.182, "text": "The other thing I'll note, and I was not aware of this until Councilor Smith just read the new text, is that we would be eliminating the Wednesday afternoon recessed meetings in the text that was just read.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-830", "start": 4829.759, "end": 4840.738, "text": "And so, yes, because the third part, the new A3, says that any A meeting that was recessed with unfinished items would be resumed at 2 o'clock on Thursday.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-831", "start": 4841.075, "end": 4841.412, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-832", "start": 4842.037, "end": 4851.928, "text": "Which means that the 2 o'clock that you can see currently in A1 as currently read, recess session of a Wednesday morning meeting will be held at 2 PM on that Wednesday.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-833", "start": 4852.633, "end": 4866.048, "text": "So that Wednesday meeting for the 3 or 4, however many Wednesdays a month in which there is a morning meeting, would go away with this amendment, which is another reason I think that, that it, it should be, um, voted no on.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-834", "start": 4867.523, "end": 4867.779, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-835", "start": 4868.404, "end": 4869.125, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-836", "start": 4869.205, "end": 4873.5, "text": "Councilor Smith, are you raising your hand with a correction on your amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-837", "start": 4873.548, "end": 4883.627, "text": "Right, we would still, even on the, on the morning meetings, if we need to, um, if we need to recess, we still have the ability to do that on Thursday at 2 o'clock.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-838", "start": 4884.508, "end": 4898.801, "text": "Right now and on the So in the proposed calendar ideas that have been sent out, Councilor Smith, we have the option of a Wednesday afternoon recess or a Thursday afternoon recess.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-839", "start": 4899.009, "end": 4900.499, "text": "That's in code currently.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-840", "start": 4901.252, "end": 4910.994, "text": "We haven't generally used the Wednesday afternoon recess, but I could foresee us using the Wednesday afternoon recess after a morning meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-841", "start": 4911.667, "end": 4920.735, "text": "We would not use that Wednesday afternoon time after, on weeks when we had an evening meeting on those weeks, we would obviously just use that Thursday afternoon time.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-842", "start": 4921.361, "end": 4934.757, "text": "So I think the question is whether you are intending to limit those options or whether you're intending to maintain the status quo option of a Wednesday or Thursday afternoon recess except on weeks when we have an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-843", "start": 4935.496, "end": 4937.52, "text": "Yes, that sounds good.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-844", "start": 4938.644, "end": 4942.61, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman, Can you enter this conversation?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-845", "start": 4942.739, "end": 4946.319, "text": "Because I think that that would— is he for a point of order?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-846", "start": 4947.154, "end": 4952.693, "text": "Yeah, so I think that your amendment with the Thursday option is, is the important part here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-847", "start": 4952.918, "end": 4966.549, "text": "I mean, I think that this— what we're getting at here is the, the Wednesday option, basically 2 hours after maybe we took a break on the current Wednesday, is, is not a great practice.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-848", "start": 4966.887, "end": 4966.999, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-849", "start": 4967.079, "end": 4970.533, "text": "It turns into an all-day meeting, and I think that's part of what we're solving here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-850", "start": 4971.4, "end": 4987.223, "text": "It allows the presiding officer to say, come back on the Thursday, and I think that's a healthier rhythm instead of take your half hour, because we never seem to end when we should, and then come back 30 minutes later.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-851", "start": 4987.303, "end": 4991.046, "text": "That is where we're in these all-day meetings when they should have just been a morning meeting.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-852", "start": 4991.48, "end": 4999.656, "text": "And so I think Councilor Smith's option of Thursday is the important and not this doubling up on Wednesday piece.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-853", "start": 5000.218, "end": 5009.647, "text": "Right, because it says any regular meeting that is recessed with unheard agenda items will continue at 2:00 PM the following Thursday, whether it be a night or a morning meeting.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-854", "start": 5011.852, "end": 5014.935, "text": "I think that's a healthier rhythm for everybody involved.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-855", "start": 5019.872, "end": 5022.502, "text": "I also would like to— my— the reason I really had my hand in there was to say that I think that's a good idea.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-856", "start": 5023.32, "end": 5027.41, "text": "I don't even know what we call it anymore, but limit debate to anybody in the queue and let's move on to a vote.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-857", "start": 5028.865, "end": 5029.544, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-858", "start": 5029.852, "end": 5037.75, "text": "I think that it is important for folks to see this in writing because it's making more changes, Councilor, than you had originally shared.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-859", "start": 5037.83, "end": 5040.049, "text": "If my staff is listening, please send that to the clerk.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-860", "start": 5041.042, "end": 5042.373, "text": "Okay, do we have that in the mail?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-861", "start": 5042.422, "end": 5044.032, "text": "And send it to the entire council.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-862", "start": 5046.002, "end": 5048.597, "text": "It sounds like we may have just sent that out.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-863", "start": 5049.015, "end": 5049.744, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-864", "start": 5050.294, "end": 5053.468, "text": "Okay, thank you to Elijah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-865", "start": 5054.89, "end": 5055.197, "text": "Councilor—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-866", "start": 5055.327, "end": 5055.942, "text": "Okay, this— that's it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-867", "start": 5055.991, "end": 5056.8, "text": "No, this is the same thing.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-868", "start": 5056.93, "end": 5061.512, "text": "Okay, so let's give everybody a minute to look at what is in writing here.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-869", "start": 5062.937, "end": 5068.482, "text": "I believe that everybody has had at least 2 opportunities to speak to this.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-870", "start": 5071.08, "end": 5072.651, "text": "Can I—.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-871", "start": 5072.651, "end": 5082.222, "text": "Councilor Kanal, do you have I hadn't finished, but this, this was— I got interrupted at the end there with the information, so can I finish the thought?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-872", "start": 5082.607, "end": 5082.816, "text": "Please.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-873", "start": 5083.233, "end": 5089.078, "text": "Uh, in 2024, this council met 36 or 45 hours a month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-874", "start": 5089.19, "end": 5096.432, "text": "This is assuming the normal cadence of 3-hour, um, meetings with the recesses built in, and that was the maximum.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-875", "start": 5096.48, "end": 5097.957, "text": "Sometimes they didn't take the recess meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-876", "start": 5098.423, "end": 5100.607, "text": "In 2025, we met 15 hours a month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-877", "start": 5101.232, "end": 5106.248, "text": "This proposal, the underlying ordinance would go back to 30 or 39 hours a month.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-878", "start": 5106.296, "end": 5108.491, "text": "So it's still fewer than in preceding years.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-879", "start": 5108.587, "end": 5113.219, "text": "And that's because there's no opportunity for 2 recess meetings on an evening meeting.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-880", "start": 5114.196, "end": 5166.776, "text": "And the amendment that's being proposed right now, given that reduction of the Wednesday recess time, would reduce it to 24 or 30 hours a month, which is a significant change from all of the underlying numbers we just discussed, it reduces— we'd be adding only 9 hours of full council a month, which I think, given that we have increased the number of filers from 6 to 14 people who can initiate a document here, and we've increased the number of people who debate and discuss those proposals from 5 councilors, including the mayor, to now 12, there is a need to ensure that we're not going so far lower than what we've had in the past, uh, not to mention the underlying needs that was brought up in the testimony around public testimony.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-881", "start": 5167.408, "end": 5167.716, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-882", "start": 5171.387, "end": 5172.239, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-883", "start": 5174.506, "end": 5178.189, "text": "Colleagues, are there any other comments?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-884", "start": 5178.82, "end": 5181.011, "text": "I, I would just—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-885", "start": 5183.685, "end": 5195.082, "text": "Councilor Smith, correct the math on that, because if you add the Thursday meetings, that's an— that's another 3 hours, and 3 times, um, 4 is 12.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-886", "start": 5195.789, "end": 5199.289, "text": "With the other 4 meetings, that's 24.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-887", "start": 5200.962, "end": 5207.676, "text": "And but we do have the ability, if we need to, to go over on the Wednesday morning meetings.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-888", "start": 5210.569, "end": 5212.714, "text": "So, okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-889", "start": 5215.054, "end": 5215.651, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-890", "start": 5215.715, "end": 5221.575, "text": "I see no one else in the queue, and I think we have all well more than exhausted our 2 speaking points each.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-891", "start": 5221.915, "end": 5230.048, "text": "Rebecca, could you please call the roll on Councilor Smith's amendment, which I believe we now all have in writing?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-892", "start": 5236.11, "end": 5237.196, "text": "Sorry, I'm pulling it up.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-893", "start": 5242.746, "end": 5242.843, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-894", "start": 5248.102, "end": 5249.223, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-895", "start": 5250.647, "end": 5250.825, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-896", "start": 5251.585, "end": 5251.617, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-897", "start": 5252.975, "end": 5253.12, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-898", "start": 5255.076, "end": 5255.238, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-899", "start": 5258.493, "end": 5258.752, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-900", "start": 5259.353, "end": 5259.483, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-901", "start": 5261.706, "end": 5261.755, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-902", "start": 5262.631, "end": 5263.605, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-903", "start": 5267.31, "end": 5267.407, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-904", "start": 5267.778, "end": 5267.94, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-905", "start": 5268.989, "end": 5271.701, "text": "And the amendment is approved with 7 aye and 5 nay votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-906", "start": 5275.22, "end": 5275.994, "text": "Thank you, councilors.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-907", "start": 5277.8, "end": 5288.668, "text": "Colleagues, I believe Councilor Koyama Lane had proposed an amendment which has Councilor Koyama Lane, would you like to speak to that amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-908", "start": 5288.862, "end": 5289.121, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-909", "start": 5289.186, "end": 5289.946, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-910", "start": 5290.79, "end": 5310.275, "text": "So as part of the discussions that we're having around streamlining committees, possibly adding council meetings, I'm proposing an amendment to Section 3.02.020 titled Council Agenda to change the deadline for items being heard to be moved from 3 months to 45 days.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-911", "start": 5311.8, "end": 5318.115, "text": "There have been concerns raised about the length of time council items take to come before council once out of committee.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-912", "start": 5319.021, "end": 5320.942, "text": "I hear some of these concerns.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-913", "start": 5321.216, "end": 5330.606, "text": "For example, as the timeline plays out, attachments may become irrelevant as well as losing urgency, and momentum can be lost on the issue itself.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-914", "start": 5331.437, "end": 5339.287, "text": "With this proposed council regular meeting schedule that we're suggesting, Today, we may no longer need the full 90 days.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-915", "start": 5339.656, "end": 5353.653, "text": "So goals for reducing that timeline include increased transparency and efficiency and limiting the amount of time needed for staff to track the status of any individual item and be ready without notice to present.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-916", "start": 5354.327, "end": 5357.566, "text": "So I look forward to this discussion around what you all think around this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-917", "start": 5358.961, "end": 5359.73, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-918", "start": 5360.324, "end": 5362.296, "text": "And we do have a second on that already.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-919", "start": 5362.408, "end": 5369.22, "text": "Colleagues, is there any thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-920", "start": 5370.222, "end": 5372.599, "text": "To me, this seems pretty straightforward and sensible.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-921", "start": 5372.793, "end": 5376.305, "text": "We've doubled the amount of— we will double the amount of council meetings.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-922", "start": 5377.18, "end": 5379.255, "text": "We should be able to schedule those within 45 days.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-923", "start": 5379.952, "end": 5381.361, "text": "So I will plan to support these.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-924", "start": 5381.7, "end": 5382.023, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-925", "start": 5388.251, "end": 5389.764, "text": "I'm not so certain.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-926", "start": 5390.494, "end": 5399.57, "text": "I guess that we need to do that, that maybe we need to implement the additional council meetings first and then come back and reevaluate this.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-927", "start": 5401.38, "end": 5404.349, "text": "Um, so I'm torn.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-928", "start": 5404.785, "end": 5416.779, "text": "Um, I think I'll probably vote against it and hope that we have time to really see if our new, uh, council cycle works to, um, facilitate rapid movement.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-929", "start": 5416.976, "end": 5420.207, "text": "I don't know that we need to zero in on 45 days.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-930", "start": 5423.06, "end": 5423.575, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-931", "start": 5423.656, "end": 5424.348, "text": "Councilor Ryan.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-932", "start": 5425.09, "end": 5425.976, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-933", "start": 5426.298, "end": 5433.706, "text": "My concern here is that, have you had a conversation with Michael Jordan or the DCAs about your amendment?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-934", "start": 5437.023, "end": 5437.852, "text": "I have not.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-935", "start": 5437.998, "end": 5439.363, "text": "That's, that's, thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-936", "start": 5439.802, "end": 5445.861, "text": "And the reason I would want to talk to them about that, because I think what I keep hearing is the workload challenge.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-937", "start": 5446.261, "end": 5453.138, "text": "I also know Council President has reason to weigh in on why, as Council President, she's made some of those decisions.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-938", "start": 5454.196, "end": 5462.836, "text": "But I really think what I'm experiencing is sometimes we're not connecting with the staff who fundamentally have to implement what we're passing.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-939", "start": 5463.269, "end": 5469.809, "text": "And if we don't have time to socialize it and then work with them, it sometimes takes more than 45 days.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-940", "start": 5469.921, "end": 5471.606, "text": "Councilor yeah.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-941", "start": 5472.248, "end": 5474.238, "text": "So right now, that's my hesitation why I'd vote no.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-942", "start": 5474.478, "end": 5474.96, "text": "I hear that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-943", "start": 5475.056, "end": 5482.679, "text": "And I know that as governance leaders, we've talked about this idea and that was something that you brought forward, which is something that makes a lot of sense.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-944", "start": 5483.064, "end": 5487.061, "text": "So I know my team has reached out and started to ask about those conversations.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-945", "start": 5487.237, "end": 5489.099, "text": "I haven't gotten to have them yet.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-946", "start": 5489.243, "end": 5490.992, "text": "And what you're saying is very valid.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-947", "start": 5491.105, "end": 5491.442, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-948", "start": 5491.763, "end": 5492.806, "text": "I so appreciate your candor.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-949", "start": 5492.934, "end": 5493.191, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-950", "start": 5493.673, "end": 5495.422, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-951", "start": 5495.518, "end": 5508.259, "text": "And I'll note that City Administrator Jordan is out this week, but acting in his stead is, um, um, I believe we have Sarah this week acting in his stead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-952", "start": 5508.307, "end": 5511.603, "text": "I apologize, I was thinking through the schedule because there's a few different people.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-953", "start": 5512.023, "end": 5515.072, "text": "Um, I'm seeing if she's available to weigh in on that, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-954", "start": 5515.747, "end": 5516.438, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-955", "start": 5517.113, "end": 5518.045, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-956", "start": 5518.141, "end": 5527.999, "text": "And I, I would say ditto, ditto, ditto to Councilor Clark because we don't know the flow, and then we have to add this extra layer of if we're changing the committee system.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-957", "start": 5528.08, "end": 5530.47, "text": "So it's going to be harder to get out of committee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-958", "start": 5530.711, "end": 5532.332, "text": "We're going to be in committees longer.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-959", "start": 5532.974, "end": 5534.931, "text": "So that's going to be a strain.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-960", "start": 5535.3, "end": 5541.366, "text": "So I would suggest us getting into the flow of what we're going to be doing in terms of our infrastructure.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-961", "start": 5541.783, "end": 5548.812, "text": "So we know if 45 days is the, the actual timeline, and we may need to expand it to 120 days.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-962", "start": 5549.229, "end": 5560.486, "text": "I don't know, but we need to figure out how to how to manage what all this, all these new changes and look to see if our levers that we're trying to put in place, if it's going to be appropriate.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-963", "start": 5560.534, "end": 5563.549, "text": "So I agree with Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-964", "start": 5563.855, "end": 5564.307, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-965", "start": 5566.66, "end": 5567.402, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-966", "start": 5567.483, "end": 5568.983, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-967", "start": 5570.795, "end": 5577.799, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to note that most of what we'll be doing when we do policy development is pre-referral to the full council.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-968", "start": 5578.242, "end": 5588.153, "text": "And so when we engage with the bureaus, it is important to engage with them early as we develop our policies, and then that gets referred to our committee, and then we 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"id": "cue-974", "start": 5617.094, "end": 5617.888, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-975", "start": 5619.281, "end": 5621.078, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-976", "start": 5623.545, "end": 5645.468, "text": "I'm confused by the conversation around whether or not we would need to ask I am confused because once something has been filed, the filer, whether it's a part of the administration or it's a city councilor, obviously wants it to be discussed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-977", "start": 5645.852, "end": 5655.138, "text": "And so having this backstop of it can't be longer than however many days it is, is a protection for that individual and for the content to ensure that it happens.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-978", "start": 5655.234, "end": 5655.859, "text": "Councilor Dan Ryan.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-979", "start": 5656.758, "end": 5665.414, "text": "But I think what we're hearing here is really the tools of status quo bias, because the tools of status quo bias are using process to impede progress.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-980", "start": 5665.526, "end": 5669.508, "text": "Did you run this by someone that's not material to the conversation?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-981", "start": 5669.942, "end": 5670.777, "text": "Is one of those things.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-982", "start": 5670.825, "end": 5679.271, "text": "And I'm just baffled by the idea that if the administration or a councilor is putting it forward, they wouldn't want it to be on the agenda faster.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-983", "start": 5679.898, "end": 5683.157, "text": "So that's not about the number of days specifically.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-984", "start": 5683.206, "end": 5683.607, "text": "I think that's a fair point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-985", "start": 5684.314, "end": 5685.967, "text": "But it is about the conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-986", "start": 5686.016, "end": 5687.99, "text": "I'm just very, very confused by that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-987", "start": 5689.371, "end": 5690.848, "text": "And its applicability here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-988", "start": 5691.844, "end": 5700.691, "text": "As it relates to Councilor Koyama Lane's amendment, I appreciate this conversation because we are talking about this in the context of how many hours of council we have.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-989", "start": 5701.574, "end": 5705.829, "text": "We can't act at the pace that the people want us to act right now.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-990", "start": 5705.973, "end": 5707.707, "text": "And that's not primarily because of this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-991", "start": 5708.237, "end": 5708.928, "text": "It may relate to the number of days.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-992", "start": 5708.992, "end": 5709.393, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-993", "start": 5709.846, "end": 5721.908, "text": "I think it does to some degree, as we saw with Councilor Dunphy's proposal on changing the noise code, and that was the only reason that that ended up getting on the special meeting agenda that week.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-994", "start": 5722.473, "end": 5731.027, "text": "But primarily it's because we move slower than the mayor and we are unable to be as responsive to the needs of the people as we'd like to be.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-995", "start": 5732.463, "end": 5733.416, "text": "Part of that's by design.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-996", "start": 5734.401, "end": 5740.032, "text": "The mayor is designed to act faster, but part of it is because of the underlying needs for this entire ordinance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-997", "start": 5740.097, "end": 5743.789, "text": "And I think because the day count relates to that, this is relevant to that conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-998", "start": 5744.63, "end": 5747.218, "text": "I'm not 100% certain where I'm at on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-999", "start": 5747.266, "end": 5758.818, "text": "I'm likely to vote yes at this moment, but I do think it's worth saying we should be looking at a council agenda that reflects the needs of the people as council sees it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1000", "start": 5759.368, "end": 5778.713, "text": "And I feel like we've had a lot of time go towards the mayor's proposals and the administration's proposals, which are important and have had the other part of our government, meaning councilors, have to wait to have whenever the gaps, whatever the scraps are left at the table on the agenda from the mayor's side.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1001", "start": 5779.148, "end": 5779.487, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1002", "start": 5781.405, "end": 5782.297, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1003", "start": 5783.026, "end": 5783.885, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1004", "start": 5785.701, "end": 5788.376, "text": "That was quicker than I expected.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1005", "start": 5788.603, "end": 5788.7, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1006", "start": 5792.551, "end": 5811.818, "text": "I guess I have said multiple times when we've written code, when we've written council rules, that I'm not a big fan of putting a lot of specifics in what a presiding officer or what a chair or vice chair does because I value the decision-making of that person, and it's part of how I judge them in their role.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1007", "start": 5812.798, "end": 5834.707, "text": "And so, And I know there's differences of opinions about how much authority or what the role of council president is that exists on this dais, but I am counting on the presiding officer of this council to have an idea for the breadth and extent of all things coming to this council and making the best decision for what comes next.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1008", "start": 5834.932, "end": 5844.361, "text": "And so by adding this 45— so to be clear, I was against In December and January, I was against the 90 days, and that was a compromise.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1009", "start": 5844.617, "end": 5862.231, "text": "And now this 45 days is just that much more of how much I would be against it, because 45 days in our work, given the nature of, of everything that comes, I think, um, eliminates my ability to say the presiding officer has decision-making abilities on this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1010", "start": 5862.664, "end": 5870.461, "text": "And it means any person could do the role because you just say, oh, we're coming up on 45 days, this thing has to go forward.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1011", "start": 5870.541, "end": 5883.396, "text": "Councilor So I think there are times when a perfectly well-meaning piece of legislation is going to bump up against that 45 days, but given what we're in the midst of, it may be a bad time for council to take it up.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1012", "start": 5883.541, "end": 5886.349, "text": "And I use this topic specifically that we're on today.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1013", "start": 5887.056, "end": 5911.096, "text": "If this had hit its 45-day mark on May 23rd, I think it would have been chaos for us in the midst of a much bigger mission, which was and so I think 90 days gives, gives a great deal of flexibility and still gives us as councilors a serious backstop that is not too far in one direction.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1014", "start": 5911.449, "end": 5923.359, "text": "And so I want to just caution everybody in that I think the presiding officer has a role, and that role is a little bit of a bigger picture, an awareness of a bigger picture than maybe we all do from our 5 different perspectives.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1015", "start": 5923.423, "end": 5933.346, "text": "Councilor and so for that reason, I think 45 days is well-meaning, but actually in implementation could cause us pretty significant problems down the line.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1016", "start": 5933.41, "end": 5950.209, "text": "So I hope that we don't support this amendment, and I hope that we lean on the presiding officer to give us a reason or to help us politic something if we need it to come more quickly instead of continually using the rules, because I think we are inherently in politics.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1017", "start": 5950.257, "end": 5950.369, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1018", "start": 5950.807, "end": 5957.438, "text": "And we are in the business of convincing other humans to get a thing we care about passed, or at least heard.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1019", "start": 5958.75, "end": 5960.642, "text": "And you want to listen to—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1020", "start": 5962.648, "end": 5966.855, "text": "We will only use, uh, the rules if we're not good at the politics.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1021", "start": 5967.527, "end": 5969.093, "text": "And so I just, I just offer that up.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1022", "start": 5972.533, "end": 5973.553, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1023", "start": 5974.379, "end": 5981.326, "text": "Um, colleagues, we have DCA Morrissey stepping in, who's our acting city administrator this week.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1024", "start": 5981.47, "end": 5988.131, "text": "And, um, DCA Morrissey, you have DCA Oliveira in the room as well if you want to phone a friend.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1025", "start": 5988.211, "end": 6006.408, "text": "The question for you both that was posed by Councilor Ryan, um, what we're discussing right now is whether the current requirement that a presiding officer schedule something at council that has come out of committee, which is a 90-day requirement, something has to be schedule that council within 90 days should be shortened to 45 days.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1026", "start": 6007.082, "end": 6042.352, "text": "And whether— I'm paraphrasing Councilor Ryan, so if I paraphrase incorrectly, please step in— whether something that is coming from a councilor, so not something that the administration has brought forward, but something coming from a councilor coming out of committee and then being heard and presumably passed out of council within 45 days, is a a requirement that would work for the administrative side, or whether there are times where you all would want us to take more time in order for you to have more time to prep for that presumably being passed and coming to you for implementation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1027", "start": 6043.573, "end": 6044.215, "text": "Thanks, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1028", "start": 6044.697, "end": 6046.207, "text": "Was that an appropriate summary?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1029", "start": 6046.287, "end": 6046.817, "text": "Yeah, better than I thought.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1030", "start": 6046.882, "end": 6047.123, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1031", "start": 6047.588, "end": 6050.544, "text": "So for the record, this is on.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1032", "start": 6051.219, "end": 6051.99, "text": "I don't believe it's on.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1033", "start": 6052.118, "end": 6052.664, "text": "Is it green now?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1034", "start": 6052.969, "end": 6053.339, "text": "It's on now.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1035", "start": 6054.206, "end": 6059.132, "text": "So for the record, DCA Sarah Morrissey, she/her pronouns.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1036", "start": 6060.11, "end": 6067.834, "text": "My response would be that it depends on the context, and it is highly dependent on how the staff have been engaged.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1037", "start": 6067.962, "end": 6083.809, "text": "If the council office needs to develop policy, if it is impacting a budgetary element that needs analysis, it's just highly contextual, dependent on the volume of work and complexity.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1038", "start": 6084.483, "end": 6085.798, "text": "That the item has.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1039", "start": 6085.846, "end": 6095.452, "text": "So whether it's, I'd say, right, if a council member is bringing forward a resolution, I feel like that would be fine in the 45 days or less.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1040", "start": 6095.853, "end": 6107.143, "text": "I think if it's an ordinance, any type of land use, any type of major budgetary impact, that would take a more coordinated, significant time.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1041", "start": 6107.319, "end": 6109.741, "text": "And so I think it just depends on the scope.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1042", "start": 6109.853, "end": 6110.029, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1043", "start": 6110.142, "end": 6114.207, "text": "Scale of the impact of whatever council is working on.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1044", "start": 6114.319, "end": 6124.364, "text": "And then also I would say, how much have the teams on the administrative side been involved, whether it's providing analysis or developing code?", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1045", "start": 6124.866, "end": 6129.263, "text": "Again, just depends on what the ordinance would be.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1046", "start": 6130.984, "end": 6131.377, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1047", "start": 6139.509, "end": 6140.36, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1048", "start": 6140.409, "end": 6145.226, "text": "Thank you, um, um, Assistant DCA Sarah.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1049", "start": 6145.852, "end": 6161.46, "text": "I was just getting ready to say that, that we have 2 things at our disposal as a commission, and the reason why we would need to talk to the administration and the mayor's office is to ask them, um, whether this is a resolution, an ordinance, if they could get things out quicker.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1050", "start": 6161.525, "end": 6168.323, "text": "Because what I find is the issue is that there are all these emergency ordinances that we should have had earlier.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1051", "start": 6168.419, "end": 6173.355, "text": "And if we had that time earlier, that 90 days would have been really nice to have.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1052", "start": 6174.204, "end": 6178.995, "text": "Secondly, we always have at our disposal the 9/12ths.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1053", "start": 6179.46, "end": 6186.864, "text": "If there's an emergency, if there's something that needs to go on the big council, then we have that ability to put those items forward.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1054", "start": 6186.928, "end": 6188.786, "text": "And I think we should use that.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1055", "start": 6189.043, "end": 6189.347, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1056", "start": 6191.012, "end": 6194.876, "text": "We should use that lever sparingly, but we do have it at our disposal.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1057", "start": 6195.07, "end": 6204.253, "text": "That would help with this, this, uh, 45-day thing that, that folks may think that we need right now in, in code.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1058", "start": 6204.35, "end": 6205.628, "text": "I, I just don't think that we need it.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1059", "start": 6206.28, "end": 6206.719, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1060", "start": 6209.079, "end": 6209.86, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1061", "start": 6211.84, "end": 6221.148, "text": "Colleagues, I want to speak to this just from the experiences that I've had as the presiding officer over the last 7 months, and we have had some things that have come right up to the deadline.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1062", "start": 6221.981, "end": 6231.756, "text": "The reason that we have had that has been the combination of less frequent meetings and, for the most part, the budget period.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1063", "start": 6232.621, "end": 6233.182, "text": "Mm-hmm.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1064", "start": 6233.262, "end": 6238.454, "text": "When things were coming right up to the deadline was during and immediately after our budget process.", "speaker": "Elana 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"Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1073", "start": 6321.105, "end": 6340.655, "text": "I think I and future presiding officers can work with whatever this body wants to choose, but not having that flexibility while a backstop that I think provides folks a guarantee that presiding officers won't play games with their measures does limit our ability to be thoughtful about how we bring things forward.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1074", "start": 6347.304, "end": 6351.763, "text": "Thank you, Madam President, and thank you, DCA.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1075", "start": 6351.88, "end": 6352.456, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Hersey.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1076", "start": 6352.52, "end": 6353.562, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Hersey, for the clarity.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1077", "start": 6353.818, "end": 6364.106, "text": "I'm, I'm quite concerned about, uh, the budget, the impact that we have on, uh, the 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"Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1082", "start": 6401.337, "end": 6418.059, "text": "I think the people want us to provide some leadership on economic revitalization in this city, that they're waiting for us to deal with those larger issues and affordability and homelessness and those kinds of things.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1083", "start": 6418.38, "end": 6424.468, "text": "I think we're way behind in offering leadership on economic revitalization.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1084", "start": 6424.564, "end": 6428.13, "text": "I just want to put that out there, that I think that's what the people are waiting for us to do.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1085", "start": 6428.837, "end": 6429.736, "text": "But that's just a side comment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1086", "start": 6429.8, "end": 6430.025, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1087", "start": 6430.366, "end": 6430.755, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1088", "start": 6432.396, "end": 6433.419, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1089", "start": 6433.858, "end": 6435.124, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1090", "start": 6438.971, "end": 6440.631, "text": "I really appreciate this great conversation.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1091", "start": 6440.857, "end": 6445.419, "text": "I think a lot of really good questions and concerns, comments have come up.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1092", "start": 6446.984, "end": 6456.209, "text": "Just want to remind everyone that currently it can take 3 months for something to come to committee and then another 3 months for it to come to full council.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1093", "start": 6456.843, "end": 6457.941, "text": "So that is 6 months.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama 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math.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1108", "start": 6568.813, "end": 6583.138, "text": "If we are going to be meeting twice as frequently, there should be an expectation that Portlanders expect that we are getting through business faster, which is something I'm hearing from staff also, that we need to be getting through stuff faster.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1109", "start": 6587.491, "end": 6588.376, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1110", "start": 6590.407, "end": 6592.843, "text": "Councilor Novick, I don't believe you've spoken yet to this issue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1111", "start": 6593.067, "end": 6594.525, "text": "Actually, I'm pausing.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1112", "start": 6594.573, "end": 6596.688, "text": "I'm sorry, I don't believe Councilor Dunphy has either.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1113", 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"cue-1130", "start": 6677.825, "end": 6680.492, "text": "I think Councilor Karamalelis said she'd send it to me.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1131", "start": 6680.636, "end": 6682.307, "text": "Yes, I sent it to him on Teams.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1132", "start": 6682.42, "end": 6682.967, "text": "I don't see it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1133", "start": 6683.144, "end": 6683.482, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1134", "start": 6683.965, "end": 6685.092, "text": "I'll let you two figure that out.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1135", "start": 6685.156, "end": 6686.009, "text": "Councilor Avalos?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1136", "start": 6688.924, "end": 6692.095, "text": "I agree, um, with the framing that Councilor Dunphy just shared.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1137", "start": 6692.224, "end": 6697.886, "text": "I think 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"speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1141", "start": 6733.187, "end": 6734.909, "text": "And we're setting up our future, right?", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1142", "start": 6735.505, "end": 6741.369, "text": "Because all of these things that we're describing that we've experienced in the first few months are, I think, in a lot of ways an anomaly.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1143", "start": 6741.806, "end": 6748.985, "text": "They are a product of a growing new— growing our new government.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1144", "start": 6749.471, "end": 6782.467, "text": "And so I'm looking at this I think that we need to take into consideration that we're making a lot of adjustments right now to ensure that we are working with both urgency but also working in collaboration through our committees to vet these policies, so I don't see why we can't shorten that timeline from committee to council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1145", "start": 6782.548, "end": 6790.866, "text": "I think all of the extra layers of working with the bureaus and all those other variables that were being discussed, I think those variables get worked out in committee.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1146", "start": 6791.284, "end": 6796.471, "text": "We specifically have a structure in committee that things can stay in committee as long as they need to to get the work done.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1147", "start": 6796.824, "end": 6799.618, "text": "By the time it's done by committee, it needs to get on the council agenda.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1148", "start": 6799.955, "end": 6801.513, "text": "Waiting 90 days is way too long.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1149", "start": 6802.027, "end": 6809.409, "text": "I think with the addition of more time of council, We should approve this amendment to ensure that things coming out of committee are moving through our body more quickly.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1150", "start": 6809.505, "end": 6810.436, "text": "So I will be supporting it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1151", "start": 6810.773, "end": 6811.992, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1152", "start": 6812.072, "end": 6813.404, "text": "Councilor Smith, I apologize.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1153", "start": 6813.757, "end": 6814.479, "text": "That's, that's okay.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1154", "start": 6814.559, "end": 6820.447, "text": "So we're changing our structure and we're having twice the amount of meetings, right?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1155", "start": 6821.121, "end": 6825.693, "text": "So this particular amendment is solving for a problem we don't have yet.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1156", "start": 6826.27, "end": 6831.331, "text": "Let's let this work through the next 3 months to see what these new excuse me.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1157", "start": 6833.58, "end": 6833.806, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1158", "start": 6834.227, "end": 6843.277, "text": "Um, what these new, um, meetings will give us, I guarantee you that we'll see things come up on the, on the, on the big council quicker.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1159", "start": 6843.839, "end": 6846.747, "text": "So I don't like to solve for problems that we don't have right now.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1160", "start": 6846.812, "end": 6850.838, "text": "We've changed our structure, so let's give this structure an opportunity to work.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1161", "start": 6851.226, "end": 6857.445, "text": "If after 3 months it's still a long time before we get to the big, uh, council, then this, this is an appropriate amendment.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1162", "start": 6858.233, "end": 6862.17, "text": "And I want to say for the record, I'm a chair of the Labor and Workforce Committee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1163", "start": 6862.749, "end": 6867.462, "text": "It has never taken 3 months for anyone to get on, on my calendar.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1164", "start": 6867.868, "end": 6868.257, "text": "Never.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1165", "start": 6869.573, "end": 6872.269, "text": "So let's, let's just give it a chance, you guys.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1166", "start": 6872.902, "end": 6874.916, "text": "Let's stop solving for problems and nuance.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1167", "start": 6876.398, "end": 6877.348, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1168", "start": 6880.06, "end": 6881.835, "text": "Uh, Acting Administrator, is that what we're using?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1169", "start": 6882.028, "end": 6885.111, "text": "Morrissey, uh, did you have anything else to add?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1170", "start": 6885.159, "end": 6888.23, "text": "It sounded like there might have been some other yeah.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1171", "start": 6889.721, "end": 6890.443, "text": "Hi, thank you.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1172", "start": 6891.357, "end": 6916.966, "text": "So I also wanted to share that for specifically, I would like to flag just from a staff capacity standpoint, it is already pretty challenging to make sure that we have the ability to really have the— we need the time to have the accuracy so we can give you correct information and ensure that we can implement with accuracy and be effective in the ordinances or the rules that you are all making.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1173", "start": 6917.415, "end": 6930.996, "text": "I will also share that Title 33, so that is a really hard one to have a 45-day time turnaround, especially that's around planning and zoning.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1174", "start": 6931.332, "end": 6939.045, "text": "If there are anything that have to require updated findings, we do need more than 45 days to do that work.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1175", "start": 6939.446, "end": 6946.789, "text": "And so I would just urge for the for staff who are really working hard to ensure you have as much.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1176", "start": 6946.983, "end": 6954.105, "text": "Complete information and that things are done on time and with accuracy, that we take that into account.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1177", "start": 6954.186, "end": 6960.172, "text": "So I would just voice that to help support the staff's work.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1178", "start": 6962.91, "end": 6973.362, "text": "So just to clarify on those code changes, the reason that staff need additional time is about creating the record in case those are appealed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1179", "start": 6973.411, "end": 6974.72, "text": "Is that the type of change you're referring to?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1180", "start": 6974.768, "end": 6974.93, "text": "Correct.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1181", "start": 6974.978, "end": 6976.449, "text": "So creating updated findings.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1182", "start": 6976.831, "end": 6981.383, "text": "Is especially with Title 33, staff definitely need more than 45 days.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1183", "start": 6983.05, "end": 6983.59, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1184", "start": 6986.069, "end": 6988.333, "text": "Councilor— I'm looking at my list, I'm sorry.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1185", "start": 6988.431, "end": 6990.337, "text": "Councilor Green, I don't believe you've spoken to this yet.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1186", "start": 6990.402, "end": 6990.825, "text": "Go right ahead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1187", "start": 6992.122, "end": 6992.895, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1188", "start": 6993.796, "end": 6999.721, "text": "Acting DCA or CA— DCA Morris, you raised an interesting question for me.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1189", "start": 7001.072, "end": 7015.148, "text": "In your view, does staff need more than 45 days between the time that an action has passed out of committee to then be considered at full council, or do they need more than 45 days just in general to develop this policy?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1190", "start": 7016.624, "end": 7017.282, "text": "Thanks for the question.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1191", "start": 7017.41, "end": 7021.164, "text": "I think it depends on what the action between committee and council is.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1192", "start": 7021.742, "end": 7028.865, "text": "If you do have to do, like I said, updated findings related to land use and zoning, they do need more than 45 days.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1193", "start": 7029.041, "end": 7036.63, "text": "I think, again, it would just depend okay, that's very helpful.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1194", "start": 7038.65, "end": 7039.332, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1195", "start": 7039.657, "end": 7043.476, "text": "Councilor— Councilor Kanal, did you just leave the queue?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1196", "start": 7045.087, "end": 7045.183, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1197", "start": 7045.747, "end": 7046.069, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1198", "start": 7046.375, "end": 7049.256, "text": "Councilor, um, Ryan.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1199", "start": 7050.239, "end": 7051.704, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1200", "start": 7052.106, "end": 7053.652, "text": "I want us to keep this in mind.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1201", "start": 7053.877, "end": 7055.337, "text": "You know this better than anyone, Council President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1202", "start": 7055.388, "end": 7056.423, "text": "There are demands that are being made by the city attorney's office.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1203", "start": 7056.52, "end": 7064.345, "text": "That come from the administration, from the executive, that are time-sensitive to keep the operations of the city moving forward.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1204", "start": 7064.635, "end": 7067.054, "text": "So I know that you have to factor that into the calendar.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1205", "start": 7067.441, "end": 7070.712, "text": "And so I just wanted to make sure that we lift that because those are urgent.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1206", "start": 7071.292, "end": 7074.595, "text": "And, uh, DCA Morrissey, would that be a fair statement?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1207", "start": 7076.86, "end": 7076.989, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1208", "start": 7077.346, "end": 7077.718, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1209", "start": 7078.172, "end": 7088.841, "text": "And so I just don't— that's another reason why we need that flexibility on new items coming in thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1210", "start": 7088.922, "end": 7089.688, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1211", "start": 7090.552, "end": 7092.019, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1212", "start": 7094.44, "end": 7105.467, "text": "I think that it's— this is a point that's been raised a couple times, um, and when we talk about staff, what we're really talking about here is bureau directors and above, DCAs, uh, city administrator, all of that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1213", "start": 7105.95, "end": 7108.719, "text": "Most of the time, the people doing the filing are not city employees.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1214", "start": 7109.35, "end": 7115.065, "text": "Um, below that level, uh, there may be a deputy director, I suppose, as well, um, or that has to have approval.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1215", "start": 7115.113, "end": 7119.863, "text": "So we're, we're talking about who, who's dealing with the, the filing timelines and waiting here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1216", "start": 7120.636, "end": 7133.958, "text": "Obviously there's a lot of other staff that work on it too, but I want to, I want to just be clear that we're not talking about, um, rank-and-file staff doing the filing without it already going through a large process, um, to get to that point.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1217", "start": 7136.608, "end": 7141.311, "text": "I think what's interesting here is the assumption that what council puts forward is not urgent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1218", "start": 7141.969, "end": 7149.432, "text": "That's what I'm struggling with, is this implication that only what the administration puts forward is urgent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1219", "start": 7149.512, "end": 7151.935, "text": "I do not question its urgency or its importance.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1220", "start": 7152.401, "end": 7163.395, "text": "What I question is the implication that what council puts forward, generally informed by the people that we talk to in those town halls and evening meetings and in our emails, is not urgent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1221", "start": 7163.443, "end": 7165.724, "text": "Councilor are not urgent too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1222", "start": 7166.141, "end": 7172.164, "text": "And I'm concerned that, you know, we're going to be in a situation— we're talking about let's wait 3 or 4 months.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1223", "start": 7172.405, "end": 7178.621, "text": "We're going to be in a situation in the next 3 or 4 months where we're going to have hopefully some sort of legislation about ICE.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1224", "start": 7179.311, "end": 7181.399, "text": "I do not want to be voting on that in 2026.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1225", "start": 7182.443, "end": 7184.258, "text": "I would like to be voting on that in 2025.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1226", "start": 7184.917, "end": 7192.176, "text": "And there's going to be a need for us to address those things and everything that Councilor Clark mentioned.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1227", "start": 7192.225, "end": 7192.337, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1228", "start": 7192.45, "end": 7198.108, "text": "Which I agree with completely on economic development and homelessness and all those issues too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1229", "start": 7198.637, "end": 7201.49, "text": "And those might be filed by us.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1230", "start": 7201.778, "end": 7205.064, "text": "They might also be filed by the administration, and both are urgent.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1231", "start": 7205.449, "end": 7210.514, "text": "And this implication that what we file is not urgent, that really is troubling me with this whole conversation.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1232", "start": 7211.011, "end": 7219.763, "text": "It's less relevant to the number of days, and I really appreciate Council President's comments because your experience, Madam President, is relevant to this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1233", "start": 7219.811, "end": 7219.923, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1234", "start": 7220.373, "end": 7230.176, "text": "In a very direct way, and I'd love to know, because you mentioned that you wouldn't want to limit it too far, if you have another set of days, another number of days that might make you personally more comfortable with it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1235", "start": 7231.533, "end": 7231.824, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1236", "start": 7233.165, "end": 7234.684, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1237", "start": 7235.25, "end": 7238.125, "text": "I actually am in the queue specifically to reply to that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1238", "start": 7238.334, "end": 7250.769, "text": "Yes, I just, I want to clarify because what my colleague just said was that the deadlines that are our acting city administrator was talking about would only affect directors and above.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1239", "start": 7250.961, "end": 7278.865, "text": "And my understanding from what I heard, and I want to make sure this is accurate, is that what you were describing, Acting Administrator Morrissey, is that on land use and code items where staff need to have a record before we pass something that our attorneys can then use if those code changes or land use items are appealed through the land use system that can stand, that can hold.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1240", "start": 7279.443, "end": 7306.339, "text": "If there are committee changes that are significant that would require staff, frontline staff, who are the people who write those documents, to make changes to those documents, we would need enough time for those frontline staff and the attorneys to work together to change the documents before council debated to make sure that the record could hold if those were appealed in a land use process.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1241", "start": 7306.78, "end": 7323.065, "text": "So we're actually talking about the needs of frontline staff and our non-management attorney team to do work so that the findings accurately reflect what council has asked for in an appeal so that we can actually win in court.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1242", "start": 7323.162, "end": 7325.873, "text": "Is that— we're talking about frontline staff, is that accurate?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1243", "start": 7326.216, "end": 7326.761, "text": "That is accurate.", "speaker": "Unidentified speaker" }, { "id": "cue-1244", "start": 7327.049, "end": 7328.604, "text": "Okay, thank you for clarifying.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1245", "start": 7328.781, "end": 7332.324, "text": "My comment was not in response to the DCA's comments.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1246", "start": 7332.548, "end": 7339.377, "text": "My comment was in response to earlier colleagues who were talking about who is the burden being placed on staff who are filing the item.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1247", "start": 7340.082, "end": 7342.006, "text": "I agree completely with everything you just said.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1248", "start": 7342.263, "end": 7345.645, "text": "Okay, thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1249", "start": 7346.911, "end": 7350.166, "text": "Councilor Ryan, you've spoken twice, so I want to make sure we hear from others.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1250", "start": 7350.759, "end": 7351.849, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1251", "start": 7353.812, "end": 7354.135, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1252", "start": 7354.78, "end": 7369.18, "text": "Um, I, you know, in listening to this conversation, I'm not getting the sense from, from other councilors that, that anybody is conveying less urgent, more urgent.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1253", "start": 7369.534, "end": 7371.581, "text": "And so I'm not, I'm not hearing that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1254", "start": 7372.049, "end": 7382.697, "text": "But if we have a 90-day backstop, which we currently have, We have a presiding officer who can always put something on the agenda day one.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1255", "start": 7383.942, "end": 7391.033, "text": "That window to me is, is serving an important role right now, and I'm not, I'm not bothered by, by going to the end of that window.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1256", "start": 7392.319, "end": 7420.184, "text": "But I would also say in terms of urgency and flexibility, as was noted earlier with the 9/12 option, if something is so urgent but the presiding officer is so against it, I guess I have to debate whether or not there is enough consensus around an item being urgent that one cannot get 9 people to say we must hear it now.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1257", "start": 7420.696, "end": 7422.555, "text": "And I think that that is a healthy debate.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1258", "start": 7423.02, "end": 7424.702, "text": "And a lot of this council is split.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1259", "start": 7425.599, "end": 7433.739, "text": "And a lot of this council, we're going to have these debates that, um, that are, are important debates even when we disagree with each other.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1260", "start": 7433.787, "end": 7434.155, "text": "I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1261", "start": 7435.215, "end": 7444.977, "text": "But for the things where we are united in that their urgency is there, and if we have a council president who is the one stick in the mud who doesn't want to move it, I think we still have the tools to do it.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1262", "start": 7445.106, "end": 7448.879, "text": "So to Councilor Smith's point, I'm not sure of the problem we're solving here.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1263", "start": 7449.971, "end": 7462.694, "text": "And for those things that don't have 9 people saying they're urgent, then healthy, timely debate is important and 90 days to me seems very reasonable for that.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1264", "start": 7462.984, "end": 7474.433, "text": "And, and so, um, yeah, again, I think, you know, this, this amendment to the overarching baseline document would be pretty concerning.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1265", "start": 7474.708, "end": 7475.017, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1266", "start": 7475.763, "end": 7476.41, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1267", "start": 7476.49, "end": 7477.234, "text": "Councilor Morillo.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1268", "start": 7480.66, "end": 7482.883, "text": "I just want to address a few things that I heard earlier.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1269", "start": 7483.013, "end": 7500.195, "text": "So for one thing, 90 days is not acceptable when people are suffering and we have to get legislation passed for another thing, there were some comments about this is politics, not rulemaking, and so therefore you have to build consensus.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1270", "start": 7500.772, "end": 7513.142, "text": "I would say that we are a pretty, pretty split council on many issues, and actually, Councilor Zimmerman, you and I are probably on the opposite ends of the spectrum, so the irony of that coming from you is not lost on me.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1271", "start": 7513.767, "end": 7526.635, "text": "But the value implication that we need to have in this is that we need to be able to Uh, a majority vote to pass things for the people when we are representing very different types of people is not a value that I necessarily think is needed.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1272", "start": 7526.987, "end": 7542.307, "text": "There are going to be times where I'm going to pass things with 7 votes, and that is fine with me because, uh, actually passing legislation that is going to help people who I am choosing to represent, who happen to be the people at the very bottom of the ladder, uh, that is my priority.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1273", "start": 7542.355, "end": 7542.467, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1274", "start": 7544.54, "end": 7551.58, "text": "So the 9/12 vote only has utility to a certain degree to rush something through.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1275", "start": 7551.58, "end": 7556.3, "text": "Sometimes you just need something to be on the agenda and you know that you're going to get 7 votes and you're going to call it a day.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1276", "start": 7557.14, "end": 7563.5, "text": "And we are absolutely required to move with urgency on some of these issues.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1277", "start": 7564.06, "end": 7569.78, "text": "I have heard every single person here at one point or another absolutely berate the council president or be extremely Councilor critical of the council president's handling of Sameer this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1278", "start": 7569.78, "end": 7569.963, "text": "Councilor Smith, I'm Kanal.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1279", "start": 7569.84, "end": 7569.86, "text": "Sorry.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1280", "start": 7570.075, "end": 7570.493, "text": "Councilor Sameer Kanal.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1281", "start": 7570.669, "end": 7574.828, "text": "Councilor Sameer Kanal was extremely angry that they could not get their item on the agenda because we did not have enough time.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1282", "start": 7575.406, "end": 7586.902, "text": "And the idea that the administrative side of council gets to completely bog down our agenda so that we can't, as the legislative body, pass legislation is a huge problem.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1283", "start": 7587.304, "end": 7605.796, "text": "Everything that Councilor Kanal laid out means that we are essentially forfeiting our power as a legislative and and we are the people here who are representing every single district, every single type of person in Portland.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1284", "start": 7605.844, "end": 7609.439, "text": "We have a wide variety of perspectives on this council for that very reason.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1285", "start": 7610.274, "end": 7614.832, "text": "So the 45-day limit is not unheard of.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1286", "start": 7615.137, "end": 7618.298, "text": "This is, I think, very reasonable given that we're going to have more meetings.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1287", "start": 7619.085, "end": 7620.818, "text": "I understand the concerns about certain land use issues.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1288", "start": 7620.882, "end": 7621.235, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1289", "start": 7621.572, "end": 7627.886, "text": "Issues or different code changes that staff need delays, maybe that can be an amendment or something to the code.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1290", "start": 7628.48, "end": 7632.194, "text": "But overall, this is— we are required to act with urgency.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1291", "start": 7632.949, "end": 7635.376, "text": "So I hope that we can get on board with this.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1292", "start": 7638.079, "end": 7638.738, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1293", "start": 7638.818, "end": 7639.525, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1294", "start": 7640.521, "end": 7643.397, "text": "So I have to say, I don't feel prepared to vote on this today.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1295", "start": 7644.023, "end": 7660.056, "text": "I mean, I was just looking at the existing language and I'm probably dense, but it's not clear to me that it assumes that something has to have a chance to come through committee before the 45 days starts.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1296", "start": 7660.877, "end": 7662.02, "text": "So I'd want that to be clear.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1297", "start": 7662.165, "end": 7668.159, "text": "I also think that it should be, if we adopt this, it should be at the option of the filer.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1298", "start": 7668.934, "end": 7676.282, "text": "Because if the filer, after consulting with the administration, realizes, yes, it's going to take 60 days to write up findings on a land use issue, Right.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1299", "start": 7676.656, "end": 7681.015, "text": "Then the filer should be able to say, okay, then I'm waiving the 45 days.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1300", 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7712.91, "end": 7719.22, "text": "Councilor, was there a motion there for us to do anything different or just expressing your thoughts on where we are right now?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1307", "start": 7719.349, "end": 7720.285, "text": "Just where we are right now.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1308", "start": 7720.577, "end": 7722.276, "text": "I don't feel prepared to vote today.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1309", "start": 7722.519, "end": 7722.762, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1310", "start": 7722.842, "end": 7724.073, "text": "I'd wanna think about it more.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1311", "start": 7724.946, "end": 7725.74, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1312", "start": 7726.549, "end": 7733.83, "text": "Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Yeah, I—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1313", "start": 7734.167, "end": 7736.947, "text": "This is likely not going to pass.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1314", "start": 7737.044, "end": 7737.863, "text": "I understand that.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1315", "start": 7738.104, "end": 7747.104, "text": "DCA Morrissey, I appreciate you sharing the needs of DCAs and bureaus.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1316", "start": 7747.768, "end": 7764.82, "text": "Uh, I know we've had many conversations as leadership about ways that we can work on the flow, make sure it's I think it is known that we need to figure out how we're working in tandem a little bit better and how to collaborate.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1317", "start": 7765.141, "end": 7767.534, "text": "I hope that this can come up for another conversation.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1318", "start": 7768.112, "end": 7769.91, "text": "It's clear that it's very controversial.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1319", "start": 7770.119, "end": 7779.383, "text": "I see staff members running around and talking to DCAs, and some of you might want to be careful because I sit right next to Council President and I can see exactly what you're sending to her.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1320", "start": 7779.432, "end": 7787.913, "text": "Council President, um, Councilor Knoll, are you in the queue for debate?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1321", "start": 7788.075, "end": 7794.259, "text": "Okay, uh, seeing no one else in the queue for debate, Rebecca, could you please call the roll?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1322", "start": 7800.22, "end": 7800.703, "text": "Coyomelín?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1323", "start": 7801.219, "end": 7801.268, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1324", "start": 7802.09, "end": 7802.493, "text": "Murillo?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1325", "start": 7803.541, "end": 7803.67, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1326", "start": 7804.669, "end": 7805.153, "text": "Novick?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1327", "start": 7807.024, "end": 7807.818, "text": "A worried no.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1328", "start": 7808.336, "end": 7810.103, "text": "I mean, I might be a yes tomorrow.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1329", "start": 7810.281, "end": 7812.711, "text": "I just don't feel prepared to be a yes today.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1330", "start": 7812.825, "end": 7814.137, "text": "Don't let them shiver your timbers.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1331", "start": 7815.83, "end": 7816.251, "text": "Clark?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1332", "start": 7816.882, "end": 7817.028, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1333", "start": 7818.339, "end": 7818.646, "text": "Green?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1334", "start": 7819.553, "end": 7819.682, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1335", "start": 7820.54, "end": 7820.993, "text": "Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1336", "start": 7821.268, "end": 7821.495, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1337", "start": 7822.449, "end": 7822.69, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1338", "start": 7824.556, "end": 7824.588, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1339", "start": 7825.682, "end": 7826.036, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1340", "start": 7826.567, "end": 7826.616, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1341", "start": 7827.549, "end": 7827.999, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1342", "start": 7828.353, "end": 7828.659, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1343", "start": 7829.56, "end": 7829.978, "text": "Kanal?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1344", "start": 7830.992, "end": 7831.04, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1345", "start": 7834.045, "end": 7834.142, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1346", "start": 7834.577, "end": 7834.819, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1347", "start": 7835.561, "end": 7837.979, "text": "The amendment fails with 6 aye and 6 nay votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1348", "start": 7839.94, "end": 7867.734, "text": "Okay, colleagues, there were no other amendments that were put on the floor prior to debate, um, so we are now at debate of the underlying, now amended twice, And the queue is open for comments, debate, questions, or further amendments on the underlying ordinance.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1349", "start": 7873.963, 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7967.922, "text": "I think that we continue to look at systems as being neutral when they're not.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1367", "start": 7967.986, "end": 7968.375, "text": "Councilwoman Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1368", "start": 7969.694, "end": 7978.178, "text": "In fact, we redid this entire form of government because the way of being was very exclusive to the very communities that we now have represented on this council.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1369", "start": 7978.53, "end": 7996.515, "text": "So I would encourage us to look holistically at our systems and remember that we instituted this new form of government to increase the people's representation, and making decisions to not add more nighttime, to not increase the urgency in our timelines, go— is antithetical to that overall outcome.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1370", "start": 7997.273, "end": 8000.964, "text": "So I hope we 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"text": "No.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1378", "start": 8023.215, "end": 8023.407, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1379", "start": 8024.339, "end": 8037.088, "text": "Seeing no one else in the queue, we are going to move this to second reading at our September meeting and close this agenda item.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1380", "start": 8038.308, "end": 8045.196, "text": "We do have another agenda item open today, colleagues, establishing the new committee council structure.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1381", "start": 8048.17, "end": 8068.725, "text": "This is an item that we debated in a work session, and following that work session, a number of councilors asked that our colleagues who had brought forward proposals on our committee structure sit down together and try to capture what those proposals were.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1382", "start": 8069.359, "end": 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"cue-1387", "start": 8110.935, "end": 8118.312, "text": "So I tried to capture how we might get there based again on the conversation that we had heard.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1388", "start": 8118.975, "end": 8124.741, "text": "And Councilor Novick has an amendment which is now posted, described earlier.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1389", "start": 8124.838, "end": 8125.339, "text": "Councilor Novick.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1390", "start": 8126.311, "end": 8132.662, "text": "Around how chairs or co-chairs might meet with our presiding officers.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1391", "start": 8135.759, "end": 8147.668, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, how do you want to go about taking on the amendments that you have put forward?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1392", "start": 8148.507, "end": 8150.816, "text": "Well, I'd like to approach them individually.", "speaker": "Jamie 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"cue-1398", "start": 8185.753, "end": 8186.988, "text": "Why don't we do them one at a time?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1399", "start": 8187.036, "end": 8192.614, "text": "And colleagues, I just want to note also that there are some calendars posted as supplemental information.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1400", "start": 8193.207, "end": 8196.654, "text": "I mentioned in an email to everybody, but we'll just put on the record as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1401", "start": 8196.718, "end": 8205.935, "text": "None of those are meant to be an official calendar that we are adopting, but just a way to give everyone an idea of how our workflow might look.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1402", "start": 8206.497, "end": 8219.823, "text": "As informed by staff in Council Operations and the Clerk's Office on what workflows would fit best for our supporting teams depending on some of the choices that we might make today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1403", "start": 8221.268, "end": 8224.72, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, why don't you go ahead and introduce your first amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1404", "start": 8225.362, "end": 8225.716, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1405", "start": 8226.261, "end": 8237.777, "text": "Well, I'm also wondering whether or not we should take your amendment first because to some extent, some of my amendments do speak to there being 5 committees.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1406", "start": 8237.841, "end": 8244.847, "text": "And so I'm happy to— well, I guess whatever the body thinks, but I'm happy to start us off, or unless you wanted to take yours first.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1407", "start": 8247.665, "end": 8249.09, "text": "Let's— I'm looking at what you have.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1408", "start": 8253.832, "end": 8257.62, "text": "I think other than C, we can probably move forward with your amendments.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1409", "start": 8257.895, "end": 8259.433, "text": "Okay, great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1410", "start": 8259.66, "end": 8260.566, "text": "At least do A and B.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1411", "start": 8260.664, "end": 8261.295, "text": "Let's do A and B.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1412", "start": 8261.343, "end": 8262.088, "text": "So Dunphy Amendment A.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1413", "start": 8262.914, "end": 8273.234, "text": "This is us calling the question on whether or not to have a co-chair model or a vice chair model or chair-vice chair model or maximum flexibility.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1414", "start": 8273.283, "end": 8288.538, "text": "For the purposes of my amendment, I am proposing that the City Council have a chair-vice chair model for the committees with the responsibilities outlined for each of the chair and the vice chair and the responsibilities for both.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1415", "start": 8288.587, "end": 8288.715, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1416", "start": 8289.529, "end": 8291.673, "text": "I'm happy to read it out loud, but folks also can read.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1417", "start": 8291.899, "end": 8293.285, "text": "All right.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1418", "start": 8293.495, "end": 8295.623, "text": "And Councilor, can we pause for one minute?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1419", "start": 8295.688, "end": 8302.019, "text": "Did we— I think that previously I hadn't taken seconds on these since there were multiple in this document.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1420", "start": 8302.068, "end": 8305.303, "text": "So I want to make sure as we go through these that we do get a second on each of them.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1421", "start": 8305.384, "end": 8306.403, "text": "Sure, absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1422", "start": 8306.872, "end": 8317.938, "text": "Just briefly reading Dunphy Amendment A, it reads that D2.1, each committee shall be administered by a chair and vice chair.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1423", "start": 8318.179, "end": 8323.494, "text": "Subsection A, the chair's responsibilities shall include: I, leading each committee meeting.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1424", "start": 8324.907, "end": 8326.384, "text": "Double I, 2, I guess.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1425", "start": 8326.994, "end": 8334.268, "text": "Representing each committee on the leadership team and communicating upcoming topics from the administration to the vice chair and other members of the committee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1426", "start": 8335.344, "end": 8347.651, "text": "Section B, the vice chair's responsibilities shall include chairing committee meetings when the chair is absent, Chairing temporary or joint committee subgroups as needed to tackle subject— specific subject areas.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1427", "start": 8348.81, "end": 8362.828, "text": "Section C, both chair and vice chair shall be responsible for tracking policy implementation within the administration to ensure policy goals are reached and collaborating on committee agenda topics and coordinating with councilors and staff to bring salient issues to the committee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1428", "start": 8363.671, "end": 8364.984, "text": "And I would entertain a second.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1429", "start": 8365.778, "end": 8366.005, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1430", "start": 8368.99, "end": 8370.759, "text": "Seconded by Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1431", "start": 8371.917, "end": 8374.733, "text": "Councilor Knoll, are you in the queue to debate Dunphy Amendment A?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1432", "start": 8375.135, "end": 8376.003, "text": "No, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1433", "start": 8376.084, "end": 8377.516, "text": "I'm in the queue to ask a question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1434", "start": 8377.95, "end": 8378.997, "text": "Just a clarifying question.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1435", "start": 8379.198, "end": 8379.585, "text": "Go right ahead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1436", "start": 8381.32, "end": 8382.256, "text": "What is the leadership team?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1437", "start": 8382.337, "end": 8386.085, "text": "I didn't see that anywhere else in this entire document except in a whereas.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1438", "start": 8387.762, "end": 8388.462, "text": "That's a good point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1439", "start": 8390.961, "end": 8396.135, "text": "It seems like in the foundational piece of information for this one, so I just wanted to understand it better.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1440", "start": 8397.401, "end": 8400.237, "text": "That is a good point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1441", "start": 8402.001, "end": 8404.978, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, do you prefer to leave this as is?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1442", "start": 8405.091, "end": 8405.738, "text": "Do you prefer—.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1443", "start": 8406.289, "end": 8409.129, "text": "Oh, sorry, I think that's sort of implied.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1444", "start": 8409.227, "end": 8415.98, "text": "I guess it would probably need to be in Section E. I think that is Section E. It's functioning.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1445", "start": 8416.045, "end": 8427.599, "text": "It's not referred to explicitly as a leadership team in Section E, but the committee the committee chair shall convene with the council president to coordinate agendas, priorities, overall strategy, and on convening ad hoc workgroups as needed, which is in the underlying.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1446", "start": 8428.766, "end": 8434.636, "text": "It is not explicitly called a leadership team, and I'm happy to omit the language or add it back in.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1447", "start": 8438.208, "end": 8444.71, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, do you prefer to add the term leadership team to E, or do you prefer to take that out of Dunphy A?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1448", "start": 8444.791, "end": 8446.583, "text": "I think I would prefer to take it out of Dunphy A.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1449", "start": 8447.068, "end": 8457.11, "text": "Okay, so it would read representing each committee and communicating upcoming topics from the administration to the— oh gosh, that doesn't read right.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1450", "start": 8459.812, "end": 8460.86, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1451", "start": 8462.858, "end": 8472.924, "text": "You could say representing each committee in Councilor—.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1452", "start": 8473.695, "end": 8477.1, "text": "Sure, I will just omit 2A.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1453", "start": 8477.742, "end": 8483.347, "text": "Just take that out and just keep communicating upcoming, right?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1454", "start": 8483.588, "end": 8484.728, "text": "Like, yeah, sure.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1455", "start": 8484.872, "end": 8486.96, "text": "Yeah, uh, actually that's a better option.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1456", "start": 8487.105, "end": 8491.794, "text": "Uh, I would omit the words representing each committee on the leadership team.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1457", "start": 8491.938, "end": 8498.903, "text": "And so the chair's responsibilities include communicating upcoming topics from the administration to the vice chair and other members of the committee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1458", "start": 8500.81, "end": 8501.055, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1459", "start": 8501.299, "end": 8502.945, "text": "Omitting the first half of the sentence.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1460", "start": 8504.47, "end": 8504.615, "text": "Got it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1461", "start": 8505.214, "end": 8508.194, "text": "When Councilor Koyama Lane comes back, we'll make sure that that's a friendly.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1462", "start": 8509.116, "end": 8511.513, "text": "But in the meantime, let's move forward there as is.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1463", "start": 8512.608, "end": 8515.141, "text": "Colleagues, is there any debate on the amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1464", "start": 8517.243, "end": 8520.061, "text": "Councilor Ryan?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1465", "start": 8520.484, "end": 8523.269, "text": "Yes, thank you, Madam Chair— Madam President.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1466", "start": 8524.117, "end": 8530.925, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, I wanna hear from you why you like the chair-vice chair model as opposed to the co-chair model.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1467", "start": 8531.214, "end": 8541.025, "text": "I've experienced both and I experienced them a bit differently, but I find a lot of value in the one that I am a co-chair in.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": 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that is I think that's a good point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1472", "start": 8577.686, "end": 8582.793, "text": "I don't think that is necessarily a sustainable model depending on future councils.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1473", "start": 8585.467, "end": 8589.269, "text": "And I think it's just broadly generally a confusing model.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1474", "start": 8589.528, "end": 8601.165, "text": "I think that it, to some degree, I just think that a hierarchy makes sense with regard to communication and leadership within a committee.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1475", "start": 8604.316, "end": 8614.417, "text": "I worry that to some extent it is not— the co-chair model isn't inherently for the health of the body, but rather for the health of egos of elected officials.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1476", "start": 8615.08, "end": 8619.123, "text": "I think that if everybody is a leader, then 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"end": 8746.48, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1499", "start": 8746.48, "end": 8750.64, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1500", "start": 8750.64, "end": 8752.44, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1501", "start": 8752.5, "end": 8759.32, "text": "And Councilor Dunphy, I'm trying to figure— I was looking at your Dunphy A.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1502", "start": 8759.32, "end": 8761.38, "text": "Now, does that include that there must be a committee referral report?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1503", "start": 8761.413, "end": 8765.523, "text": "Be only— you said at least one chair from each committee.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1504", "start": 8767.02, "end": 8770.863, "text": "Is, is that a part of your, of your proposal?", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1505", "start": 8771.477, "end": 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Councilor Ryan's question and wanted to mention one other thing as well.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1525", "start": 8855.357, "end": 8869.909, "text": "Councilor Ryan, in terms of the leadership team, I have foreseen using that space not for substantive conversations about what we want to do on items in a way that Councilor Novick has suggested, yes.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1526", "start": 8870.038, "end": 8876.577, "text": "Which might absolutely violate serial meetings laws if people talk to each other.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1527", "start": 8877.268, "end": 8906.057, "text": "But as a space, for example, to say if we have an evening committee meeting, allow chairs to come together and talk about what items they have coming up on their agenda where they might need to use an evening meeting space to take more public testimony and who has things coming up more quickly and how do we figure out who could use 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"end": 8951.017, "text": "Hey, here's a thing that I think we should be doing differently in terms of how how council and committee work together.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1532", "start": 8951.98, "end": 8958.114, "text": "When we have backlogs of items, to be able to sit down with everybody and hash out some of those things would be helpful.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1533", "start": 8958.644, "end": 8967.587, "text": "Right now, I try to do that in one-offs when they come up with specific committees, but I think it would be fantastic for me as a leader to have that space.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1534", "start": 8967.892, "end": 8969.723, "text": "If we decide not to have that space, that's okay.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1535", "start": 8969.803, "end": 8970.478, "text": "We haven't had it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1536", "start": 8970.526, "end": 8971.746, "text": "I can move forward without it.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1537", "start": 8971.81, "end": 8974.363, "text": "But those are the types of reasons that I would like to have that space.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1538", "start": 8974.46, "end": 8974.684, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1539", "start": 8974.99, "end": 8977.122, "text": "May I ask a follow-up?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1540", "start": 8977.812, "end": 8978.069, "text": "Sure.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1541", "start": 8978.389, "end": 8980.715, "text": "Okay, I appreciate what you just said.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1542", "start": 8980.875, "end": 8987.097, "text": "My question is also about the composite, 'cause you seem to be in favor of a chair, vice chair, not co-chairs.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1543", "start": 8987.675, "end": 8996.912, "text": "And if shared leadership of the co-chairs can figure it out on who to bring to that meeting, say it's monthly, why would there be opposition to that?", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1544", "start": 8997.153, "end": 9000.889, "text": "And my point is also that I really think it's important that we have balance in that group.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1545", "start": 9001.549, "end": 9006.622, "text": "And I would worry if all the chairs were from one side of this aisle that seems to be emerging.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1546", "start": 9008.409, "end": 9009.134, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1547", "start": 9009.214, "end": 9014.055, "text": "And I'll move into the other things I wanted to say generally and why I joined the queue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1548", "start": 9014.136, "end": 9017.705, "text": "And I think that that might address some of what you just raised.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1549", "start": 9019.05, "end": 9027.062, "text": "Colleagues, I'm not supportive of this amendment because when I first brought forward to you all a committee structure, Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1550", "start": 9027.159, "end": 9035.41, "text": "When I talked about the committee structure with some co-chairs and some chairs and vice chairs, I said that I was doing so very intentionally to create the precedent that we could have either one.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1551", "start": 9037.14, "end": 9043.888, "text": "As we think about changing committees, I think it's very possible that we could have a situation where we have only chairs and vice chairs.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1552", "start": 9044.644, "end": 9052.774, "text": "But I don't want to write that somewhere because I think that that undoes the precedent setting of saying we are okay 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"cue-1563", "start": 9106.708, "end": 9110.955, "text": "I think that's a point that we all need to go into this knowing.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1564", "start": 9111.15, "end": 9112.674, "text": "We need to be open-eyed about that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1565", "start": 9113.5, "end": 9118.657, "text": "To Councilor Dunphy's point, when everybody leads, nobody leads is perhaps the right approach.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1566", "start": 9118.786, "end": 9123.529, "text": "To Councilor Ryan's point, when you give everybody an opportunity to lead, you have more voices.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1567", "start": 9124.134, "end": 9125.918, "text": "I think that those are both very valid points.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1568", "start": 9130.09, "end": 9139.142, "text": "I do, because I have heard away from this dais from a number of people concerns about how I 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"cue-1577", "start": 9215.79, "end": 9219.461, "text": "So maybe we're not as divided as we might say.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1578", "start": 9220.423, "end": 9224.591, "text": "I have a question just to clarify, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1579", "start": 9225.312, "end": 9243.63, "text": "Your description of what you would use a theoretical leadership team for, my understanding, and I'm gonna use a very specific quote here, is that that would not include, quote, any determination, action, vote, or final disposition upon a motion, proposal, order, resolution, ordinance, or measure on which a vote of a governing body is required.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1580", "start": 9244.722, "end": 9250.149, "text": "And, and that is because you're talking about administrative uses, and that's my understanding.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1581", "start": 9250.197, "end": 9259.944, "text": "I don't want to hold 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quote that, that's from the public meetings law, state public meetings law.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1588", "start": 9281.1, "end": 9287.568, "text": "And it is my— it's my way of saying I'm not sure that a leadership team needs to only have 6 people on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1589", "start": 9289.734, "end": 9294.084, "text": "Because I'm not sure the public meetings law applies to the idea of sharing information in the first place.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1590", "start": 9294.909, "end": 9300.261, "text": "That's immaterial to my reason for opposing this amendment, but I do think it's relevant information too.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1591", "start": 9300.649, "end": 9309.286, "text": "And that's ORS 192.610, Section 1, Part 2, as retitled in the most recent update to it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1592", "start": 9311.308, "end": 9314.996, "text": "So I think that that's one framing piece of information.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1593", "start": 9315.061, "end": 9315.175, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1594", "start": 9315.827, "end": 9316.067, "text": "Bless you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1595", "start": 9316.388, "end": 9327.561, "text": "And so what I, what I would say is the 5 co-chairs who are current— 5 councilors who are currently co-chairs all spoke in favor of the co-chair model last time, uh, when we did the work session.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1596", "start": 9327.625, "end": 9333.796, "text": "And I'll just point out that working with, uh, Councilor Novick has been, um, very— a good experience for me.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1597", "start": 9334.181, "end": 9344.831, "text": "And part of the reason why is it forces us to actually subsume our egos in some ways to, to talk with each other because we have different approaches We have different networks and knowledge bases.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1598", "start": 9345.249, "end": 9357.537, "text": "And so that act of creating, of co-creation of an agenda is actually, I think, healthy for elected officials who, I don't know if anyone out there might guess this, but it occasionally happens that an elected official has an ego.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1599", "start": 9358.1, "end": 9358.839, "text": "I think so.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1600", "start": 9359.353, "end": 9363.465, "text": "So I think we're in a good place with that particular thing.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1601", "start": 9363.577, "end": 9369.665, "text": "And I agree with the approach that Councilor Smith brought up around letting this kind of play out a little bit.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1602", "start": 9369.74, "end": 9373.926, "text": "Until— on at least this specific issue, until New Year's.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1603", "start": 9374.153, "end": 9385.154, "text": "And also Councilor Zimmerman's previous point about not over-limiting the role of the council president, because that's what this would do before that second resolution that would have to come up.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1604", "start": 9385.73, "end": 9388.994, "text": "So those are my reasons why I'll be voting no on it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1605", "start": 9389.398, "end": 9419.437, "text": "The other point I'll make is that even if the goal was to achieve a 6-person or fewer the only distinction that seems— the only 2 distinctions that seem to be happening here between a chair and a vice chair, one is whether or not they're a part of this leadership team or not, and the other is whether or not they're swapping the gavels, or one is always the primary and the other is always the secondary if the first person's not present.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { 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forward to that amendment, but I'll be voting no on this one.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1612", "start": 9445.734, "end": 9445.975, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1613", "start": 9446.938, "end": 9447.533, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1614", "start": 9447.597, "end": 9448.319, "text": "Councilor Murillo.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1615", "start": 9451.127, "end": 9452.218, "text": "Thank you, Council President.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1616", "start": 9452.571, "end": 9460.479, "text": "I was going to say that I also agree with Councilor Ryan, so maybe we can start a tally sheet of when we agree and maybe make a bingo game out of it.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1617", "start": 9461.458, "end": 9463.479, "text": "I think that co-chairs are really important.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1618", "start": 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"id": "cue-1622", "start": 9505.08, "end": 9505.12, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1623", "start": 9505.224, "end": 9506.484, "text": "We wouldn't have had otherwise.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1624", "start": 9506.937, "end": 9513.679, "text": "So I have found that the co-chair model brings a lot of balance and nuance to the work that we do, and I think it's really important.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1625", "start": 9515.282, "end": 9523.078, "text": "I also just firmly disagree with the idea, like, at the end of the day, when you have a gavel, you have power over what gets heard.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1626", "start": 9523.207, "end": 9528.715, "text": "You have power over who gets a seat at the table, who— what gets put on the public record.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1627", "start": 9529.134, "end": 9530.631, "text": "It is a huge power to have.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1628", "start": 9530.679, "end": 9530.969, "text": "Councilor Smith.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1629", "start": 9531.585, "end": 9548.218, "text": "So I think that good leadership is actually being able to learn how to share power, and especially under our new government structure where we have different districts that we're representing and such a wide array of voices at the table, we have an opportunity to share power in a way that we never have before.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1630", "start": 9548.968, "end": 9551.035, "text": "And I think that we should seriously consider that.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1631", "start": 9551.116, "end": 9554.158, "text": "So for those reasons, I'll be a no on this amendment.", "speaker": "Angelita Morillo" }, { "id": "cue-1632", "start": 9557.33, "end": 9558.239, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1633", "start": 9558.385, "end": 9559.488, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1634", "start": 9561.16, "end": 9561.955, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1635", "start": 9563.35, "end": 9581.563, "text": "With many of these things coming up, I am trying to balance what might be best for this body and our needs in terms of how we're working together and our culture and our flow, and then what I would imagine would be best down the road, put in place for many years.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1636", "start": 9581.838, "end": 9586.164, "text": "That's attention for me, just to be transparent.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1637", "start": 9586.63, "end": 9596.714, "text": "This idea of how to bring in more councilors, whether it's leadership team or just in general into some meetings, I don't think that's controversial between us.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1638", "start": 9596.842, "end": 9601.113, "text": "I think it's something we're talking a lot about and maybe have some different ideas of how that could look.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1639", "start": 9601.723, "end": 9612.625, "text": "On Monday mornings, we meet with the mayor and all of the DCAs and do some sending of Committee, uh, sending of— sent their items to different committees.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1640", "start": 9613.203, "end": 9616.736, "text": "Maybe that's a place where other folks can step in, maybe not.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1641", "start": 9617.298, "end": 9623.639, "text": "Um, maybe part of this is having primaries for DCAs, which is something that I heard from Mr. Jordan that could be helpful.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1642", "start": 9624.699, "end": 9627.027, "text": "I'm not sure about what that looks like.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1643", "start": 9627.107, "end": 9630.8, "text": "I am— I'm not sure if that actually should be in code or outlined in code.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1644", "start": 9630.864, "end": 9633.064, "text": "I think that's something that we want some flexibility with.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1645", "start": 9633.915, "end": 9636.641, "text": "And I feel similarly with chairs and co-chairs.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1646", "start": 9637.173, "end": 9641.933, "text": "If I'm being honest, what I think is best for down the road for clarity is chair and vice chair.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1647", "start": 9643.192, "end": 9653.491, "text": "And I'm leaning more for the health of this body for there to be some more flexibility, especially as we are trying to build some trust and figure this out.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1648", "start": 9654.934, "end": 9656.311, "text": "So right now I am a no.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1649", "start": 9658.187, "end": 9658.916, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1650", "start": 9659.001, "end": 9659.645, "text": "Councilor Green.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1651", "start": 9662.303, "end": 9662.69, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1652", "start": 9663.979, "end": 9672.267, "text": "I went into this not really knowing where I was going to land on this because it's such a hard one for me because I see— I can see it both ways.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1653", "start": 9672.397, "end": 9672.834, "text": "I really can.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1654", "start": 9672.931, "end": 9675.813, "text": "It's quite efficient to have a pretty expected hierarchy.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1655", "start": 9675.862, "end": 9677.189, "text": "I'm sorry for my leisure wear.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1656", "start": 9677.4, "end": 9679.084, "text": "I wanted to wear a Western shirt today.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1657", "start": 9679.197, "end": 9680.751, "text": "I realize that now I'm on the camera.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1658", "start": 9682.472, "end": 9685.014, "text": "But I've been convinced by this argument.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1659", "start": 9685.324, "end": 9689.452, "text": "I mean, like the co-chair thing and Council President, sorry for the levity.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1660", "start": 9689.935, "end": 9704.215, "text": "Council President, you, you raised some really important, um, things for us to think about, which is that the job that you have is to balance things and to think about what is for the best health of our governing body.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1661", "start": 9705.236, "end": 9714.398, "text": "And based upon who gets elected to these positions, you're not necessarily going to be able to solve that equation in a rigid model.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1662", "start": 9714.511, "end": 9714.575, "text": "Right.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1663", "start": 9714.863, "end": 9719.025, "text": "So some years it may be, maybe all chairs and vice chairs.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1664", "start": 9719.074, "end": 9720.719, "text": "Some years it may be all co-chairs.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1665", "start": 9720.832, "end": 9725.522, "text": "But I think there needs to be a degree of freedom to kind of wiggle in that space.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1666", "start": 9725.586, "end": 9733.587, "text": "So I think at this point I am leaning— I am, I am prepared to vote no on this, um, to keep that flexibility.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1667", "start": 9733.78, "end": 9739.845, "text": "But I also wanted to say another thing was, was I, I don't think that we should impugn the council president's motives.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1668", "start": 9740.474, "end": 9744.363, "text": "On who gets assigned to these seats.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1669", "start": 9745.719, "end": 9749.399, "text": "I think she has tried to balance things.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1670", "start": 9749.447, "end": 9757.855, "text": "I may disagree with the theory of change and that balance for the sake of balance is what's for the best of all of us, but I see the balance nevertheless.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1671", "start": 9758.354, "end": 9780.8, "text": "And I think that if I was ever in a situation where I didn't think that my thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1672", "start": 9780.8, "end": 9782.56, "text": "Councilor 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committees to come to that meeting.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1677", "start": 9811.611, "end": 9819.654, "text": "So I think that instead of like saying there will be a leadership team that shall do this, I think you could achieve the same goal by being a little more freewheeling.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1678", "start": 9823.282, "end": 9823.669, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1679", "start": 9823.75, "end": 9824.541, "text": "Councilor Avalos.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1680", "start": 9828.11, "end": 9843.715, "text": "Coming in, I think that my feelings towards this amendment were of support, and I do generally, um, still think that it would be good to have a more clear, uh, clear delineation of leadership.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1681", "start": 9843.78, "end": 9862.529, "text": "And part of it is because I'm still grappling with where are we headed as a So I think that's why this vote is complicated for me, because I think I was coming in feeling that this would be the best option so that it would clear the way to make more sense logistically for what a leadership team could look like.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1682", "start": 9862.674, "end": 9871.661, "text": "Because I don't think that this whole, like, co-chair and then we pick one, I don't think that that's equitable, or I think that would be a little bit messier.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1683", "start": 9871.71, "end": 9872.068, "text": "Councilor Loretta Smith.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1684", "start": 9872.732, "end": 9888.2, "text": "That being said, I think in the beginning when it was originally proposed as a, like, we should keep it flexible so that each committee could have its own structure, it's clear that councilors are experiencing that in different ways, and I think that's okay.", "speaker": "Candace 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"cue-1690", "start": 9916.854, "end": 9925.436, "text": "So that's a big reason why I wanted to support it in the first place, but I guess I will not support it now due to where the discussion has headed.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1691", "start": 9925.773, "end": 9932.318, "text": "But thank you, Councilor Dunphy, because him and I have talked a lot about this, and I definitely agree with the spirit of what you were doing.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1692", "start": 9932.495, "end": 9936.25, "text": "I think based on what I'm hearing from my colleagues, I'm inclined to not support it.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1693", "start": 9936.378, "end": 9939.026, "text": "So thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1694", "start": 9939.09, "end": 9939.877, "text": "Councilor Clark.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1695", "start": 9940.599, "end": 9941.819, "text": "Uh, thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1696", "start": 9942.124, "end": 9945.59, "text": "Um, I, uh, support the amendment.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1697", "start": 9946.136, "end": 9950.212, "text": "I think it's very confusing for the public to have co-chairs.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1698", "start": 9950.324, "end": 9951.255, "text": "Who do we contact?", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1699", "start": 9951.913, "end": 9954.689, "text": "You know, I know we're in the process of birthing a new government.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1700", "start": 9955.155, "end": 9956.15, "text": "I don't want twins.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1701", "start": 9956.679, "end": 9959.279, "text": "I just want one, uh, one council chair.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1702", "start": 9960.647, "end": 9961.681, "text": "Councilor Dunphy.", "speaker": "Olivia Clark" }, { "id": "cue-1703", "start": 9964.377, "end": 9965.459, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1704", "start": 9966.154, "end": 9967.623, "text": "Just one quick point here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1705", "start": 9967.914, "end": 9975.576, "text": "Um, in the earlier item, I guess it was testimony for both of these, we had a, a piece of testimony that said that we don't have committee emails.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1706", "start": 9976.333, "end": 9990.013, "text": "And I think that this would help a great deal with any potential confusion that exists with the public, uh, alongside some of the other work we're doing to shorten the URLs So it can just be CAPS instead of council-and, you know, all that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1707", "start": 9990.173, "end": 10007.015, "text": "Um, I think having a single point of contact might assist with the, um, the ability for a community member to— or, or frankly anybody— to reach out to, uh, co-chairs by saying, here's an email, goes to capscommittee@, and it forwards automatically to Councilor Novick and I.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1708", "start": 10007.095, "end": 10014.704, "text": "It's not a real email address, but I'm suggesting something like that, um, to assist with the ability to contact, um, co-chairs together.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1709", "start": 10014.784, "end": 10014.961, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1710", "start": 10018.259, "end": 10019.064, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1711", "start": 10019.787, "end": 10027.989, "text": "Colleagues, seeing no one else in the queue, Rebecca, could you please call the roll on Dunphy Amendment A?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1712", "start": 10032.39, "end": 10032.979, "text": "Councilor Moline.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1713", 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"Zimmerman?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1723", "start": 10050.028, "end": 10050.19, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1724", "start": 10051.24, "end": 10051.546, "text": "Avalos?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1725", "start": 10053.901, "end": 10055.141, "text": "Hmm, no.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1726", "start": 10056.912, "end": 10057.347, "text": "Dunphy?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1727", "start": 10058.41, "end": 10058.458, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1728", "start": 10061.662, "end": 10062.017, "text": "Smith?", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1729", "start": 10067.012, "end": 10067.028, "text": "Aye.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1730", "start": 10067.738, "end": 10067.899, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Steve Novick" }, { "id": "cue-1731", "start": 10071.77, "end": 10071.932, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Dan Ryan" }, { "id": "cue-1732", "start": 10075.022, "end": 10075.265, "text": "No.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1733", "start": 10075.671, "end": 10080.085, "text": "The amendment fails with 4 aye and 8 nay votes.", "speaker": "Rebecca Dobert" }, { "id": "cue-1734", "start": 10081.39, "end": 10082.41, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1735", "start": 10082.475, "end": 10084.646, "text": "We are scheduled until 1:30 today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1736", "start": 10084.727, "end": 10095.627, "text": "I think we have time to do one more amendment and If we can end then or very close to then, I'm going to challenge us to do that, and then we will pick back up tomorrow where we leave off today.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1737", "start": 10096.188, "end": 10098.352, "text": "Councilor Dunphy, would you like to move your next amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1738", "start": 10099.057, "end": 10099.41, "text": "Absolutely.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1739", "start": 10099.474, "end": 10100.195, "text": "Thank you, colleagues.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1740", "start": 10100.276, "end": 10101.029, "text": "Also, that was great.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1741", "start": 10101.141, "end": 10104.171, "text": "I'm glad we all got on the, you know, got to have the conversation.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1742", "start": 10105.39, "end": 10107.345, "text": "Dunphy Amendment B is really very straightforward.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1743", "start": 10107.554, "end": 10115.247, "text": "I would like it that regardless of how many committees we have, that each district is represented as a committee chair in some capacity.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1744", "start": 10115.765, "end": 10123.366, "text": "Now that we have a co-chair model as an 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{ "id": "cue-1749", "start": 10154.755, "end": 10155.801, "text": "Is there a second?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1750", "start": 10155.898, "end": 10156.3, "text": "Second.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1751", "start": 10156.542, "end": 10157.749, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1752", "start": 10157.83, "end": 10158.603, "text": "Councilor Kanal.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1753", "start": 10159.134, "end": 10161.195, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1754", "start": 10161.275, "end": 10165.389, "text": "I have a question and then a comment.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1755", "start": 10165.566, "end": 10169.938, "text": "So and the question may also be a suggestion, I'm not sure.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1756", "start": 10170.261, "end": 10176.288, "text": "You mentioned that now that we have co-chairs available to us, that that may change the way that this is interpreted, but this still uses the word chair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1757", "start": 10176.417, "end": 10184.169, "text": "Would it be friendly to add in the parenthetical co- so it could be either a chair or a co-chair depending on how that plays out?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1758", "start": 10185.857, "end": 10187.67, "text": "It doesn't offend me, certainly.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1759", "start": 10188.462, "end": 10192.782, "text": "So that'd be prior to the word, it would be, well, a chair, a co-chair is still a chair.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1760", "start": 10193.4, "end": 10194.303, "text": "Are we interpreting it that way?", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1761", "start": 10194.368, "end": 10194.804, "text": "Is that—.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1762", "start": 10195.11, "end": 10204.818, "text": "I want to look to our attorney to make sure, but my interpretation in implementing this would be that this could be a chair or co-chair the way it's written legally.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1763", "start": 10204.934, "end": 10205.727, "text": "Does that check?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1764", "start": 10207.536, "end": 10208.808, "text": "I think that's a fine interpretation.", "speaker": "Nancy Thorington" }, { "id": "cue-1765", "start": 10209.404, "end": 10213.98, "text": "I am seeing the most emphatic thumbs up I've ever seen to that.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1766", "start": 10214.092, "end": 10216.686, "text": "So let's just state it clearly for the record.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1767", "start": 10216.82, "end": 10227, "text": "2 of our attorneys have given us the thumbs up here that this could be interpreted as meaning a chair in any capacity.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1768", "start": 10227.402, "end": 10228.028, "text": "Okay.", "speaker": "Candace Avalos" }, { "id": "cue-1769", "start": 10228.173, "end": 10228.993, "text": "Chair or co-chair.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1770", "start": 10229.234, "end": 10229.555, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1771", "start": 10229.876, "end": 10232.737, "text": "That addresses one of my underlying concerns.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1772", "start": 10233.154, "end": 10247.412, "text": "As I think everyone may recall, I voted no on the original committees, not because of the part of their creation, their number, or their purpose, But specifically the district representation as a membership.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1773", "start": 10247.492, "end": 10257.335, "text": "And I really appreciate Councilor Dunphy for bringing this whole thing forward, for putting in that each district shall have at least one member, which is outside the scope of this amendment, but relevant here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1774", "start": 10258.111, "end": 10263.884, "text": "Because I've been debating whether or not this is required to achieve that goal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1775", "start": 10264.418, "end": 10270.175, "text": "I do think that with 4 committees at minimum, we'd be talking about 8 co-chairs.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1776", "start": 10270.239, "end": 10270.336, "text": "Yes.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1777", "start": 10270.976, "end": 10273.209, "text": "Uh, at maximum or 4 chairs at minimum.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1778", "start": 10273.274, "end": 10280.206, "text": "And in that scenario, it is definitely possible to achieve that without sort of manipulating the system to achieve it.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1779", "start": 10280.688, "end": 10283.374, "text": "And so as a result, I'm, I'm less concerned about it here.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1780", "start": 10284.05, "end": 10303.964, "text": "Um, I don't know that it necessarily— uh, I'm concerned about it's being implemented in the future in a way that is serving that goal primarily as opposed to serving the need of the but I also know that this isn't code, so I, I'm, I'm less concerned about it now, but I'm looking forward to hearing the debate.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1781", "start": 10304.884, "end": 10305.546, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1782", "start": 10306.418, "end": 10307.193, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1783", "start": 10307.339, "end": 10308.308, "text": "Vice President Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1784", "start": 10309.212, "end": 10310.165, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1785", "start": 10310.9, "end": 10312.717, "text": "I appreciate the intent behind this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1786", "start": 10312.942, "end": 10320.26, "text": "Similar to membership of each committee, having someone from each district represented, that makes a lot of sense to me.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1787", "start": 10320.793, "end": 10322.436, "text": "I do have some concerns around the language.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1788", "start": 10326.404, "end": 10337.592, "text": "I'm wondering if you would be open to or have thought about changing this so it says each district shall have at least one council member holding a gavel.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1789", "start": 10338.559, "end": 10341.249, "text": "So that could mean it's not necessarily a policy committee.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1790", "start": 10341.523, "end": 10348.351, "text": "If we end up with a finance committee with a— or role as council president, that each district would have at least one council member holding a gavel.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1791", "start": 10348.416, "end": 10348.628, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1792", "start": 10349.565, "end": 10353.581, "text": "Can I respond real quick?", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1793", "start": 10353.758, "end": 10355.355, "text": "Yeah, sorry, go right ahead.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1794", "start": 10358.356, "end": 10360.669, "text": "I would prefer to leave it in the way it's written.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1795", "start": 10361.087, "end": 10374.478, "text": "Coming from the east side, I want some guarantee in some capacity with language that we are using consistently throughout the rest of the document that we will have some geographic representation in leadership.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1796", "start": 10375.983, "end": 10391.162, "text": "And I do appreciate that there could be situations in which it, you know, I mean, an ad hoc committee or a subgroup workgroup may be sufficient, but I want to make sure that we have broad representation wherever possible.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1797", "start": 10391.275, "end": 10393.651, "text": "So that is my preference, is just to keep it as it is.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1798", "start": 10396.742, "end": 10397.423, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1799", "start": 10398.525, "end": 10399.547, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1800", "start": 10400.293, "end": 10401.898, "text": "I'm sorry, did you have any follow-up, Councilor?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1801", "start": 10403.118, "end": 10404.089, "text": "No, I was just going to say thank you.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1802", "start": 10405.076, "end": 10405.772, "text": "Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1803", "start": 10405.966, "end": 10407.503, "text": "Thanks.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1804", "start": 10407.811, "end": 10414.26, "text": "Um, so this prepositions us to have to have at least 4 committees.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1805", "start": 10414.534, "end": 10415.744, "text": "I think that's important to note.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1806", "start": 10416.777, "end": 10417.729, "text": "We haven't made that decision.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1807", "start": 10418.7, "end": 10431.899, "text": "Um, it also— I think there's a big difference between getting elected to represent your district, which we've all done, and we're all equal in that sense, but the skill set then to run a committee is different.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1808", "start": 10432.332, "end": 10436.042, "text": "And I don't think that that is inherently given to you simply because you were elected.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1809", "start": 10437.069, "end": 10448.004, "text": "And in this, in this theory, that could occur in a single district where we could even have 3 people who do not want to chair something, and this would say now they must.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1810", "start": 10448.935, "end": 10462.585, "text": "Um, we are all equal in representing our districts and having been elected to represent our, our folks, but I don't think we are all equal in our right to have a gavel or to be a chair.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1811", "start": 10462.714, "end": 10468.537, "text": "I think that is a different decision by the presiding officer to make those choices.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1812", "start": 10468.586, "end": 10479.402, "text": "And so this amendment would complicate that in ways that I don't— you know, I'm just sitting here quickly looking.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1813", "start": 10479.451, "end": 10482.44, "text": "It's like 2 chairs currently exist from District 1.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1814", "start": 10482.635, "end": 10482.716, "text": "Yeah.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1815", "start": 10484.276, "end": 10487.551, "text": "2 Co-chairs and a president exist in District 2.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1816", "start": 10488.836, "end": 10492.625, "text": "2 Co-chairs and a vice president exist in District 3.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1817", "start": 10493.974, "end": 10496.43, "text": "A co-chair and 2 chairs exist in District 4.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1818", "start": 10496.575, "end": 10500.75, "text": "So from a geographic representation perspective, I'm feeling like we've hit the mark.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1819", "start": 10501.938, "end": 10506.867, "text": "And so for, for that, I'm not looking to add more complicating or more restrictiveness to this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1820", "start": 10507.477, "end": 10521.88, "text": "I also think that Um, we can be respectful that we're all elected from different parts of the city, and there's a difference to this next level of leadership, which is why we take votes for things like council president and vice president.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1821", "start": 10522.187, "end": 10526.851, "text": "Um, so for, for that reason, I, I don't think I'll be supporting this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1822", "start": 10527.27, "end": 10532.162, "text": "While I do believe it comes from a very genuine, transparent place, I'm just— I'm not there on this.", "speaker": "Eric Zimmerman" }, { "id": "cue-1823", "start": 10535.158, "end": 10538.271, "text": "Uh, thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1824", "start": 10538.367, "end": 10542.201, "text": "I, I, I agree with, um, Councilor Zimmerman.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1825", "start": 10542.715, "end": 10555.806, "text": "I— this is confusing, and because we haven't taken a vote on the number, I'm not clear how many committee members are going to be on each, uh, committee, whether it be 4 or 5.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1826", "start": 10556.368, "end": 10561.751, "text": "So that's also concerning to me that it was not identified.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1827", "start": 10562.315, "end": 10565.588, "text": "So I, I agree with what you're saying, um, Councilor.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" }, { "id": "cue-1828", "start": 10570.579, "end": 10571.416, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1829", "start": 10572.527, "end": 10580.043, "text": "Before I say anything to this, I just want to acknowledge the awkwardness of me weighing in on something like this while sitting in the president's seat.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1830", "start": 10580.188, "end": 10594.466, "text": "I try to think about these things for the future, not for me in this seat now, but I acknowledge that it sometimes comes I am a little bit concerned about this requirement.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1831", "start": 10596.53, "end": 10600.799, "text": "I have heard loud and clear from folks the concerns about not having people on some committees.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1832", "start": 10601.057, "end": 10608.291, "text": "And in response to that, I've tried to share the various criteria that we were looking at in making those committees.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1833", "start": 10609.049, "end": 10619.378, "text": "And we heard just a few minutes ago that the City Attorney's Office the need to balance values when thinking about folks who are chairing committees.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1834", "start": 10620.298, "end": 10629.921, "text": "We have heard in this debate the need to think about interest, both in chairing a committee at all, but also interest in terms of what issues people want to work on.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1835", "start": 10631.489, "end": 10644.623, "text": "We are now hearing a need to include in the balance of how we pick chairs and the proposal I put forward and that we vote on geographic representation.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1836", "start": 10645.553, "end": 10654.837, "text": "I've heard from many of my colleagues comments about how just because somebody is in the same district doesn't mean that some of you feel like you represent the same people.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1837", "start": 10655.623, "end": 10661.524, "text": "I think it's my job to represent everybody in District 2, but I know that that isn't shared by everyone.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1838", "start": 10662.919, "end": 10689.841, "text": "And so I'm struggling to think about how I take take all of these different needs, overlay skill sets, because I think about not just does somebody have the skill set or not, but in the future when we've had a number of years of elections and we have councilors who have served for longer or less long and who have more experience in our system versus not, just that understanding of what as a committee chair one needs to do.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1839", "start": 10689.97, "end": 10694.88, "text": "Councilor and when I think about holding all of those things, something has to give.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1840", "start": 10696.624, "end": 10710.569, "text": "So I am probably a no on this, but I would ask colleagues that if you are a yes on this, you have some thoughts for me, not necessarily here today because we're running up on time, but in the future, of what you think should give instead.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1841", "start": 10711.792, "end": 10729.61, "text": "Because I can't put all of those things as the top priority in figuring out who should Councilor Green, you've not spoken.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1842", "start": 10730.07, "end": 10733.33, "text": "Yeah, I was just going to raise a question for the carrier.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1843", "start": 10734.97, "end": 10747.99, "text": "Um, Councilor Dunphy, given the sort of sequencing of how we're considering resolutions and amendments, would you consider withdrawing this at this stage and being ready to reintroduce it after we've adopted a resolution that specifies who's going to chair what committees?", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1844", "start": 10747.99, "end": 10748.11, "text": "It is just literally not possible.", "speaker": "Mitch Green" }, { "id": "cue-1845", "start": 10751.728, "end": 10752.86, "text": "I think that's fair.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1846", "start": 10753.006, "end": 10765.696, "text": "I am also— I will also note that if we had, for example, 3 committees, which I can't imagine we could get below 3 committees, but if we had 3 each having co-chairs, that's 6.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1847", "start": 10766.405, "end": 10768.274, "text": "We could pretty easily meet at that point.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1848", "start": 10768.42, "end": 10772.642, "text": "But I do hear that perhaps there is an underlying question that we should answer first.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1849", "start": 10772.69, "end": 10780.733, "text": "I think the underlying question is, And so, uh, and then in the interest of time, I'm happy to, uh, withdraw for now with the— wait, is it a withdrawal or a table?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1850", "start": 10780.781, "end": 10781.201, "text": "What do I do?", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1851", "start": 10783.452, "end": 10792.364, "text": "I believe you would table the amendment, which normally would mean we would go to your next amendment, except that I'll note it's 1:25.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1852", "start": 10792.413, "end": 10797.817, "text": "So if you do so, I will probably have us end the meeting for today and pick back up at your next amendment tomorrow.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1853", "start": 10798.478, "end": 10810.771, "text": "I don't want to knowing we have 5 minutes left and there are some folks in the queue who may still be interested in speaking on this, I don't want to preemptively table it, but I am absolutely willing to table the amendment conversation until later.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1854", "start": 10812.36, "end": 10813.197, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1855", "start": 10814.405, "end": 10815.339, "text": "Councilor Koyama Lane.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1856", "start": 10817.287, "end": 10818.431, "text": "Thank you, Madam President.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1857", "start": 10819.3, "end": 10822.429, "text": "This is helpful to hear more about your intention behind this.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1858", "start": 10823.142, "end": 10827.162, "text": "At first, I was thinking about it as making sure that there was really balance throughout the city.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1859", "start": 10827.339, "end": 10837.739, "text": "And as you were talking about it, it sounded to me more also, or also, or more, not sure, you can explain, that this was about making sure that District 1 isn't left out and is part of the conversation.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1860", "start": 10838.075, "end": 10839.806, "text": "And that is compelling to me.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1861", "start": 10839.934, "end": 10847.033, "text": "I'm wondering if you have considered the idea of putting in something specifically around District 1.", "speaker": "Tiffany Koyama Lane" }, { "id": "cue-1862", "start": 10848.331, "end": 10850.798, "text": "You know, I certainly feel special about District 1.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1863", "start": 10852.274, "end": 10855.382, "text": "But I don't think that for the health of the body it makes a lot of sense.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1864", "start": 10856.364, "end": 10862.674, "text": "And I think this was the closest that I could get to making sure that my constituents east of I-205 are represented.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1865", "start": 10863.22, "end": 10865.004, "text": "And in some circumstances, east of 82nd.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1866", "start": 10865.132, "end": 10867.157, "text": "I don't— don't forget about you, Lents and Sumner.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1867", "start": 10867.8, "end": 10873.1, "text": "But I didn't want to necessarily call out District 1 as though it is something precious.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1868", "start": 10875.777, "end": 10876.332, "text": "Even though it is.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1869", "start": 10880.901, "end": 10882.521, "text": "Thank you for that suggestion, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1870", "start": 10882.65, "end": 10883.26, "text": "Councilor Kanal?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1871", "start": 10884.014, "end": 10884.447, "text": "Yeah, thanks.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1872", "start": 10884.656, "end": 10892.534, "text": "Um, Councilor Zimmerman and, uh, Council President, I think your, your arguments convinced me, so I, I, uh, do think I'll be a no on this.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1873", "start": 10892.695, "end": 10907.884, "text": "But I do want to point out that I think this is something we should just have be a part of the conversation when we do have that second document come up around what the, um, what the, uh, the members and, and leadership might look like, not as the only goal.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1874", "start": 10907.948, "end": 10917.969, "text": "And I think at that time it does make sense to give input to you, Madam President, on how we might individually think that those items should be weighed.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1875", "start": 10919.46, "end": 10921.029, "text": "Not items, criteria that you used.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1876", "start": 10921.352, "end": 10921.983, "text": "So thank you.", "speaker": "Sameer Kanal" }, { "id": "cue-1877", "start": 10923.277, "end": 10923.957, "text": "Thank you, Councilor.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1878", "start": 10924.264, "end": 10928.735, "text": "And I hear that I'm now put on notice to make sure that I can explain all of that.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1879", "start": 10928.87, "end": 10929.446, "text": "That's great.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1880", "start": 10933.025, "end": 10935.67, "text": "Colleagues, there is no one else in the queue.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1881", "start": 10936.311, "end": 10944.487, "text": "Councilor, would you like to take a chance on a vote on this, or would you like to make a motion to lay it on the table to come back to later in the debate?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1882", "start": 10944.583, "end": 10947.853, "text": "I'd like to make a motion to lay it on the table for a later date.", "speaker": "Jamie Dunphy" }, { "id": "cue-1883", "start": 10948.558, "end": 10953.479, "text": "Given that that motion is coming from the carrier, is that something that we need to vote on to close debate on this amendment?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1884", "start": 10954.329, "end": 10957.15, "text": "Okay, so we need to vote to close debate on this amendment.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1885", "start": 10957.294, "end": 10965.263, "text": "You'll then have the second.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1886", "start": 10965.412, "end": 10966.387, "text": "We can do it without objection?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1887", "start": 10967.68, "end": 10967.873, "text": "Fantastic.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1888", "start": 10968.745, "end": 10971.943, "text": "Colleagues, is there any objection to laying this matter on the table?", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1889", "start": 10972.298, "end": 10974.963, "text": "The carrier will be able to bring it back up at another point in the debate.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1890", "start": 10975.98, "end": 10998.868, "text": "Okay, seeing none, I am going to carry over I will move to postpone our debate on this agenda item to tomorrow's recessed council meeting, which begins at 2:30, and we will continue debate on amendments and on the underlying motion.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1891", "start": 10999.543, "end": 11002.393, "text": "This meeting is post— is recessed.", "speaker": "Elana Pirtle-Guiney" }, { "id": "cue-1892", "start": 11008.968, "end": 11010.018, "text": "Thank you.", "speaker": "Loretta Smith" } ] }